#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-15

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[00:03:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: you've been busy eh?
[00:03:53] <paulej72> somewhat
[00:11:06] <chromas> "So, if you usually go to XXX websites, be sure to logout your facebook account first, or use a different internet explorer window (e.g. google chrome incognito window)."
[00:11:19] <chromas> Dear SN, today I learned the Google Chrome is a type of Internet Explorer
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[00:13:13] <Blackmoore> you should see what happens when you try to share screens with skype and linux.
[00:13:41] <Blackmoore> "but i shut down that browser window 2 minutes ago!"
[00:14:02] <chromas> lol
[00:14:42] <Blackmoore> so I've learned to do a full restart befor attempting to skype and share screens.
[00:15:11] <Blackmoore> and even then. it will show whatever my web browser was on last.
[00:15:38] <Blackmoore> i figure it was a NSA feature.
[00:15:50] <Blackmoore> and hey if they want to view porn..
[00:16:05] <chromas> I thought they had all the porn
[00:16:14] <chromas> That would explain the 800,000 different porntube sites
[00:16:42] <Blackmoore> good point..
[00:16:53] <Blackmoore> ah well - gnight
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[01:51:27] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla to Add DRM to Firefox - http://sylnt.us - it-would-infringe-copyright-to-ask-what-the-fox-says
[01:56:52] <SpallsHurgenson> Microsoft and Mozilla seem to be in a race to see who can piss off more of their customers
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[02:41:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I think it's finally time for a big-screen remake of Gilligan's Island.
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[02:42:40] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: do you want to play Ginger :)
[02:43:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I have the legs for it!
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[02:46:30] <MrBluze> do you have the beard for it?
[02:46:37] <MrBluze> has to be a modern ginger
[02:47:02] <SpallsHurgenson> when you say beard, do you mean beard or, erm, "beard"? :)
[02:48:46] <MrBluze> austrian eurovision song contest winner beard
[02:49:17] <SpallsHurgenson> pretend I'm an American and know nothing about the eurovision song contest :)
[02:50:31] <MrBluze> http://www.eurovision-austria.com
[02:50:38] <MrBluze> there u go
[02:50:47] <MrBluze> warning image is disturbing to normal viewers
[02:51:12] <SpallsHurgenson> let me tell you, it is disturbing to us abnormal viewers too!
[02:51:27] <MrBluze> lol
[02:51:34] <MrBluze> that's a "she" i am told
[02:51:40] <MrBluze> and if u say otherwise you are a fool ...
[02:51:42] <MrBluze> etc
[02:51:49] <MrBluze> as per the grimm's fairytale
[02:52:37] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, that's not what bothers me
[02:52:46] <SpallsHurgenson> but a red feather boa with a black dress? I think not!
[02:52:56] <MrBluze> brb
[02:55:28] <SpallsHurgenson> shoot, I just learned something new. I hate when that happens
[03:08:13] <MrBluze> .. well what about a ginger colored boa
[03:10:52] <SpallsHurgenson> when you say boa, do you mean boa or, erm, "boa"? :)
[03:14:16] <MrBluze> http://img477.imageshack.us
[03:14:25] <swiss> BoA
[03:14:27] <ciri> I think it needs to unlock that for his next leveling bince.
[03:14:57] <MrBluze> http://siemprerebelde.files.wordpress.com or that
[03:15:25] <MrBluze> ginger colored asian model called boa
[03:15:33] <MrBluze> or an actual snake.. either will do
[03:17:05] <arti> seems like a good idea
[03:18:09] <MrBluze> so a bearded gorilla with a ginger colored asian model wrapped around his neck can be ginger in the remake of gilligan's island .. sorted :)
[03:18:41] <MrBluze> this will sell :D
[03:19:25] <SpallsHurgenson> gorilla? who are you calling a gorilla? Look at this cherry red ass! I'm obviously a mandrill!
[03:20:17] <MrBluze> hairy face is the new feminine
[03:20:34] <MrBluze> why not take it further and say hairy body and lotsa muscles 8D
[03:20:37] <SpallsHurgenson> <insert "yo momma" joke here>
[03:20:40] <arti> :|
[03:20:47] <arti> also dwarves
[03:20:58] <MrBluze> truck drivers?
[03:21:35] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Narrow Healthcare Networks Spreading - http://sylnt.us - only-wrong-choices
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[03:29:21] <SpallsHurgenson> is there any way we can assign blame to Microsoft for this latest fiasco?
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[04:07:13] * SpallsHurgenson realized today he does have a bluray drive in his computer :)
[04:07:52] <arti> did you buy yours at best buy or something?
[04:07:57] <arti> "give me your finest model good sir"
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[04:09:33] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I bought it when I put together the pc... I just forgot :)
[04:09:45] <arti> alzheimers
[04:10:16] <SpallsHurgenson> so of course I immediately went out and bought some bluray discs :)
[04:10:25] <arti> what did you get?
[04:10:29] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, movies.
[04:10:57] * SpallsHurgenson sheepishly admits, "Star Wars" :)
[04:11:16] <arti> nice!
[04:11:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I am George Lucas's bitch :)
[04:11:28] * arti was watching a 1982 laser disc version
[04:11:30] <paulej72> I have some fixes for the sumbission pages on dev.soylentnews.org. anyone here sumbit a lot and wants to check it out
[04:11:35] <chromas> Disney's bitch now
[04:12:02] <SpallsHurgenson> Disney only has the new stuff; Fox still has distribution rights on the older movies
[04:12:24] <arti> http://hqwide.com
[04:12:28] <chromas> Oh, then I'm surprised it hasn't been canceled
[04:13:06] <arti> disney also makes the marvel movies, too
[04:13:13] <arti> those have been pretty good
[04:13:28] <SpallsHurgenson> except for the ones that sucked :)
[04:13:43] <arti> the mean is good
[04:15:00] * SpallsHurgenson looks at the new "sumbisson" page and can't tell the difference :)
[04:15:55] <SpallsHurgenson> although I wish the link to the "submit story" showed the current pending submissions instead of hiding behind another link
[04:16:25] <SpallsHurgenson> personally, I think that's more important information than what percentage of my submissions have been rejected.
[04:24:30] <SpallsHurgenson> bluray really doesn't do Star Wars any favors... I can see all the pancake makeup and plywood walls :)
[04:25:33] <chromas> That's where they should have applied their special effects skillz
[04:25:58] <chromas> Just touch up the sets. But not with more sparks and baysplosions
[04:28:06] <SpallsHurgenson> once I earn my first billion dollars, I'm gonna build a full-scale model of the Millenium Falcon :)
[04:29:03] <SpallsHurgenson> (which might be difficult since the set interiors don't fit inside the exterior... I might need TARDIS technology :)
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[05:13:51] <MrBluze> spalls actually i have a billion dollars for you...
[05:14:02] <MrBluze> damn he left.. nvm
[05:20:15] <chromas> <wink>
[05:21:07] <arti> heh
[05:21:15] <arti> "We're merely haggling over the price!"
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[09:12:08] <toecutter> foobar
[09:12:22] <toecutter> i want to make a site out of slashcode
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[09:41:20] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - How Not to Get Sued When Writing Reviews Online - http://sylnt.us - say-only-good-things
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[10:06:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:06:12] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 75
[10:06:33] <arti> crutchy++
[10:06:33] <deadpeas> karma - crutchy: 64
[10:06:39] <arti> dat highscore
[10:06:51] <crutchy> hi arti
[10:06:54] <crutchy> arti++
[10:06:54] <deadpeas> karma - arti: 43
[10:06:56] <crutchy> arti++
[10:06:56] <deadpeas> karma - arti: 44
[10:06:57] <crutchy> arti++
[10:06:57] <deadpeas> karma - arti: 45
[10:07:13] <arti> hey now, i'm supposed to smile like a donut for that kind of treatment
[10:07:16] <crutchy> ciri++
[10:07:16] <deadpeas> karma - ciri: 1
[10:07:24] <crutchy> mmm donut
[10:07:31] <arti> how're things?
[10:07:43] <crutchy> ok
[10:07:48] <crutchy> tired
[10:07:50] <crutchy> you?
[10:08:07] <arti> working on some shopping cart crap
[10:08:13] <crutchy> ah
[10:08:19] <arti> my brilliant quick work doesn't list prices
[10:08:40] <arti> the mechanism works fine for processing the requests (i'm picking up the ball again from a few weeks back)
[10:08:43] <crutchy> nobody needs to know prices
[10:08:58] <arti> well i have a cheap method of making a dropdown using a single column
[10:09:43] <arti> either way it's a terrible choice for my goals since i'd like a la carte options
[10:09:54] <arti> membership + package a + package b
[10:10:13] <arti> instead of, as the workflow currently permits, one purchase at a time
[10:10:25] <arti> i need it to be an impulse buy
[10:10:28] <ciri> Put some time there with a need for that call from a shirt you leveled with, since it's a good one. If you look at then.
[10:10:41] * arti looks at them
[10:11:22] <crutchy> ciri, pumpkin you that smell buffer wonky bruise tapper?
[10:11:39] * arti adjusted things
[10:11:56] * crutchy is learning cirish
[10:12:13] <crutchy> its like irish, but with a c
[10:13:27] <arti> grits.
[10:14:26] <crutchy> ciri, border night cage king treating way this question that niceness not hear rid too lumpy?
[10:15:08] <arti> !decide yes no
[10:15:10] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: no.
[10:15:26] <arti> have some tunes https://soundcloud.com
[10:21:27] <crutchy> !decide 1e12 -42 i+6 '/' ? /dev/null ciri
[10:21:28] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: /dev/null.
[10:21:48] <crutchy> !ask what is the meaning of life?
[10:21:56] <crutchy> !juice drink
[10:22:23] <arti> >Do not know what Juice is.
[10:22:51] <crutchy> its the process of juicing
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[10:53:24] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:53:24] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 76
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[11:24:16] <JamesNZ> Interesting.
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[12:54:43] <prospectacle> ahoy hoy
[12:55:29] <crutchy> arrrrgh
[12:55:47] <crutchy> ahoy matey
[12:55:50] <prospectacle> and a good evening to you, crutchy,
[12:55:57] <crutchy> :-)
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[12:57:52] <prospectacle> Crutchy, what is it that's frustrating you?
[12:58:11] <crutchy> nothing... i was being a pirate :-P
[12:58:12] <Brylarke> Lack of rum
[12:58:31] <prospectacle> oh I get it
[12:58:48] <crutchy> harrrrgh haarrrrrgh haaarrrgh :-P
[12:59:09] <prospectacle> lol, "It's nothin' personal. i just love to scrimshaw"
[12:59:40] <Brylarke> You need this crutchy to avoid confusion: http://img.photobucket.com
[13:00:18] <prospectacle> On an unrelated not, I must say I'm very impressed with mozzila labs. I didn't realise they do emscripten and pdf.js and asm.js
[13:00:30] <prospectacle> They're also working on a js emulator for flash, so you don't have to use a plugin.
[13:00:52] <crutchy> they could have at least put the keys in the shape on an anchor
[13:01:38] <prospectacle> Brylarke, that's cool I could use an Avast key more days than not
[13:01:44] <crutchy> cool! no flash
[13:01:50] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - NSA Photos Show Router Implant - http://sylnt.us - little-to-do-with-philosophy
[13:01:50] <prospectacle> exactly
[13:03:08] <prospectacle> wow they're also working on a js h.264 decoder. That's ambitious. Also surely the "<video>" tag can be used instead,, with some open source c/c++/hardware decoder
[13:03:53] <crutchy> h.264 is mpeg or something?
[13:04:00] <crutchy> mp4?
[13:04:18] <prospectacle> h264 I think is the most common video encoder. Most youtubes etc are in this format, as ar many other things
[13:04:41] <Brylarke> The encoder is separate from the container
[13:05:01] <prospectacle> it's used for blu-rays
[13:06:05] <prospectacle> brylarke, that sounds familiar. I don't really get it though. so the container (e.g. mp4) specifies what? packet size, timecodes, audio, etc, and the encoder just compresses the video, or something?
[13:06:22] <Brylarke> Something like that
[13:08:09] <prospectacle> I know everyone's inventing a programming language. It's like you have to do it to have any cred or something. However, based on the success and potential of other mozilla labs projects maybe their "Rust" language is worth a look.
[13:08:17] <prospectacle> http://static.rust-lang.org
[13:08:35] <prospectacle> Does anyone know if it's any good/have any experience with it?
[13:11:00] <Brylarke> I struggle to keep up with the latest fads
[13:11:52] <prospectacle> yeah there's too many fads and most can be safely ignored.
[13:19:22] <prospectacle> well if I do some real work now I can most of the weekend to myself. So I'll catch you guys later. Have a good one.
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[14:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:05:04] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 77
[14:07:10] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:07:10] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 78
[14:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll poke #60 with a stick today
[14:15:19] <crutchy> sticks aren't so bad
[14:15:30] <crutchy> NCommander likes using anvils
[14:16:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> anvils on the db would be bad
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[14:34:41] <weeds> Good Morning
[14:35:11] <crutchy> mornin weeds
[14:41:04] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Hugo Awards Voters' Packet Now Only Extracts - http://sylnt.us - making-informed-decisions
[14:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin weeds
[14:47:38] <weeds> mornin fellers
[14:47:54] <weeds> No bats to report on!
[14:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent
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[14:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Woods
[14:56:42] <Woods> hola
[14:56:56] <paulej72> moring everyone
[14:57:19] <Woods> Ah, this is much better. Yesterday I got on #editorial too quickly, and it was the first tab, instead of the second. But no worries! I did it right this time.
[14:58:32] <weeds> good morning
[15:02:16] <crutchy> morning paulej72
[15:02:24] <crutchy> g'day Woods
[15:03:18] <Woods> Heya Crutchy
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[15:03:36] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:03:51] <Woods> Are we having like a meeting right now or something? lol
[15:04:07] <paulej72> Hey guys I got submissions cleaned up on dev UI wise. I also set the sub to automatically link the user to his profile if the nickname is valid and no url is given in the sub
[15:04:25] <crutchy> its a meeting here every day Woods :-)
[15:04:29] <Blackmoore> must be the morning coffee stop.
[15:04:42] <Woods> Ooohhh, nice work Paulej72.
[15:05:01] <crutchy> there are committees for everything, including the "what's for dinner" committee, the "slash is gay" committee, etc
[15:05:04] <MrBluze> what if it's someone spoofing?
[15:05:11] <paulej72> Killed 3 issues with subs lat night. Sitll did not get to reject messages
[15:05:11] <crutchy> the bacon committee
[15:05:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woods: Just use Linux/tmux/irssi and stay connected forever.
[15:05:23] <MrBluze> did they decide on a name yet?
[15:05:28] <crutchy> hmm dunno if we should be having a spoofing committee
[15:05:45] <MrBluze> circle spoofs
[15:05:46] <ciri> This is a *drastic* depature to the honey yard on the save side, duffie-bestfood.
[15:05:50] <paulej72> MrBluze: Did not check for spoofing
[15:06:14] <crutchy> and not least of all the "ciri is a nutjob" committee
[15:06:18] <MrBluze> paulej72: i could post as you then
[15:06:37] <paulej72> MrBluze: I’ll fix that now
[15:06:42] <MrBluze> :)
[15:06:44] <MrBluze> cool
[15:07:07] <crutchy> mornin Blackmoore
[15:08:58] <Woods> Crutchy: Nothing wrong with being gay. :P
[15:09:05] <MrBluze> i better be getting home
[15:09:07] <Woods> Sunrise on the ISS in about two minutes: http://www.ustream.tv
[15:09:10] <MrBluze> see u all tomorrow or something
[15:09:12] <crutchy> no certainly not
[15:09:19] <Woods> Bye MrBluze.
[15:09:19] <crutchy> cya mrbluze
[15:09:25] <MrBluze> ciao :)
[15:09:26] <weeds> later
[15:09:37] <Woods> Dang it, the camera on the ISS is pointing the wrong way again. :(
[15:09:40] <Blackmoore> chow
[15:10:26] <weeds> Woods: looks like space ;-)
[15:10:35] <MrBluze> i thought i could see stars, but it's dust on my screen
[15:10:56] <Woods> Yeahhhh... I am told the cameras switch every 15 minutes, so sometimes it lines up, sometimes not.
[15:11:31] <MrBluze> thats why people are better than computers
[15:11:44] <Woods> You will only ever see Earth, the Moon, and parts of the station. The cameras are not good enough to pick up anything else, unfortunately.
[15:11:51] <paulej72> MrBluze: if someone tries to spoof a person, what should the output be, should I rewrite the nick they put in.
[15:12:38] <MrBluze> put the name in quotes
[15:12:44] <MrBluze> "paulej72" writes:
[15:12:59] <MrBluze> and then the editor might click that this could be suspect
[15:13:10] <paulej72> gotya
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[15:16:54] <Woods> Heyyy there we go, looks like we got some inclimate weather down below.
[15:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin paulej72
[15:18:57] <paulej72> morin TheMightyBuzzard
[15:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> having a look at #60 today. found the users_settings for daily newsletter and tracing backwards from there.
[15:23:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, did you do a pull on the submissions because i only saw NC's this morning.
[15:28:26] <weeds> camera is now pointing at the earth
[15:29:23] <paulej72> MrBluze|afk: extra spoof check in place and working as designed
[15:30:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> do like all other news outlets and just add allegedly
[15:31:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I did a pull request last night on subs. it is #185
[15:37:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird, shows in SoylentNews/master but didn't come in with the pull i did this morning.
[15:38:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> are you on a branch?
[15:38:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[15:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll figure it out
[15:38:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> or, I guess I should say, are you on a *different* branch?
[15:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> on master
[15:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i've got no changes just now. i'll nuke n repull
[15:44:38] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: my pull request are normally not from my master branch. I have a branch for each issue.
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[15:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you merged them into master on SoylentNews/slashcode master though, no?
[15:46:56] <crutchy> ~part
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[15:49:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, not merged yet. that'd be why. *facepalm*
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[15:49:56] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: no I have not merged them yet. NCommander needs to sign off and merge. We typically do not merge our own code unless it is a trivial fix and well tested
[15:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotcha, figured as much once i saw it wasn't merged.
[15:51:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, fresh pull never hurt anyone.
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[16:07:15] <paulej72> OK we are using md5 to hash passwords. So in this case we are stoing the hash which is a fixed lenght no matter the length of the password. Therefor should we worry about a max password lenght.
[16:10:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[16:10:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> not in forms anyway
[16:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> if someone wants to send you 50GB of /dev/random as a password, a form field setting isn't going to stop them.
[16:11:09] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: will perl choke on the input if too long?
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[16:11:23] <crutchy> never trust the browser
[16:12:12] <crutchy> apache has settings for max post size etc
[16:12:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely but i'm not sure much can be done about dropping the connection from within perl or mod_perl or apache
[16:12:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[16:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could check a max length for the pre-hash variable in perl but that would only work after it'd been received.
[16:13:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> so apache is the way to go there.
[16:13:40] <paulej72> so the consensus is to drop the password max length reqirement
[16:14:03] <crutchy> there probably isn't much point allowing a password length greater than the hash length
[16:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically, yeah. it would only stop ubernoobs dos's
[16:14:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, sure there is
[16:14:51] <crutchy> doesn't it increase the likelihood of collisions?
[16:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but they're not exactly likely
[16:15:45] <crutchy> i guess as long as you have a decent hash length
[16:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the passwords ARE salted, yes?
[16:16:16] <Woods> Mmmmm, nothing like a snack of lightly salted passwords.
[16:16:19] <paulej72> crutchy: we can turn of password salts that will make it harder to crack the passwords if the attacker only has the db and not the file system
[16:16:37] <crutchy> want salted passwords
[16:16:50] <crutchy> salt is good. salt is yummy
[16:16:51] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it looks like the salt file is not in place right now.
[16:16:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no that'd make it easier. salted they have to build a whole new rainbow table
[16:17:01] <crutchy> salt file?
[16:17:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> eek
[16:17:11] <crutchy> want random salts
[16:17:27] <Woods> Okay okay...
[16:17:28] <ciri> Downs its downs okay. Just do a final round of emotional hell.
[16:17:34] <paulej72> dev has salted passwords, but not prod
[16:17:38] <Woods> random salted rainbow tables? You guys are just making up words now.
[16:17:42] <crutchy> want salts for salts for salts etc :-P
[16:18:15] <crutchy> i came across a really good article on the best way to salt
[16:18:17] <paulej72> I meant to say turn on password sallts earlier. not of
[16:18:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, not that big a deal anyway yet. eventually i'd like to move to random salted sha256 hashed passwords
[16:18:50] <crutchy> apparenly just using a hash isn't the best way
[16:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that's my paranoid ass
[16:19:47] <crutchy> anyway, after midnight here
[16:19:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if the salt i random, don’t you then have to store the salt for each password
[16:20:14] <crutchy> till tomorrow folks, when we do it all again
[16:20:17] <crutchy> nighty night
[16:20:24] <paulej72> see ya crutchy
[16:20:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep but that's not a huge overhead. salt it with ten random characters and store it for each user right next to the password.
[16:20:47] <Woods> Bye Crutchy
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[16:20:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if someone gets the db, then they have the salts
[16:21:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but that's no biggie. they'd have to have a rainbow table for each random salt to look them up
[16:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that level of sha256 rainbow tabelage does not exist yet
[16:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> really CAN not exist yet as only the nsa might have that much storage and even they don't have the computing power
[16:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bitcoin for instance has barely scratches the surface of the sha256 hashes starting with N zeroes
[16:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/scratches/scratched/
[16:23:49] <SedBot> <ThyMoghtoByzzyrd> bitcoin for instance has barely scratched the surface of the sha256 hashes starting with N zeroes
[16:24:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: but you only need to break a single account in slash to get full access uid=2
[16:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, just saying the salts wouldn't help because it's impossible to have a rainbow table for that salt.
[16:24:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: looks like you pissed off sedbot
[16:25:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's new and interesting.
[16:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i feel all olde english now
[16:25:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if you are only targeting one account you can brute force it
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[16:26:17] <paulej72> hello mechanicjay
[16:26:22] <mechanicjay> Hey paulej72
[16:26:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> with the salt? no. sha256 rainbow table for one salt would take an insane number of years to complete
[16:27:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if you had as many users as bitcoin does all working their gpus into the ground
[16:27:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure you might get lucky and get it on the 4th try but you'd have better odds of getting struck by lightning 500 times in a year.
[16:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> rephrase: you'd have better odds of getting struck by lightning 500 times in a year than in generating the correct password or a collision in a year.
[16:30:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: my bad was thinking md5 not sha256
[16:31:21] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not enough sleep, too little coffee
[16:31:39] <Woods> Unrelated: Dang it XKCD What-if... Now I am perusing a wikipedia page about rare postage stamps... And ENJOYING IT.
[16:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. yeah md5 is starting to become insecure. you can get a pretty complete rainbow table for unsalted passes. granted it takes quite a few gigs but it's doable.
[16:32:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, think i found #60's cause too
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[16:32:36] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what is the magic for #60
[16:32:41] <paulej72> Hello michealpwalls
[16:32:48] <michealpwalls> Hey paulej72 !
[16:32:51] <michealpwalls> crazy busy week :(
[16:33:10] <michealpwalls> Got the VM installed, installed ubuntu-desktop and geany
[16:33:21] <paulej72> cool
[16:33:24] <michealpwalls> Things are really nice. All the test.pl work, etc. So fucked up that it doesn't work on Windows :(
[16:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no magic, it's hardcoded into login.pl newUser()
[16:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to check for it other places too because you know slash
[16:34:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have that open now and I’ll look at it
[16:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> 173
[16:35:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> also in Login.pm 341
[16:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> under createNewUser
[16:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a change to login.pl fixes it for signing up as a new user though. tested already.
[16:37:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure what Login.pm is doing
[16:39:29] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Login.pm createNewUser is used by Ajax plugin
[16:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, so change both for futureproofing
[16:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> will have a pull request in as soon as i get them commented.
[16:40:48] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am working on some other stuff for passwords and username, It will be easier if I just make thes changes. I think I might make a var to set this in the vars table.
[16:41:02] <paulej72> That way we can change it on the fly as needed
[16:41:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> would probably be better. slap it in as accessible by $constants
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[16:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> all yours then. I'll find a new bug to squash.
[16:42:28] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes that is what setting a var in the vars table. Thanks for tracking this down though. I would have thought it was somewhere else other than the login plugin
[16:43:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it SHOULD have been in a skeleton structure of vars for new users but shrug.
[16:52:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i refuse to screw with unicode because it hates me so no #55
[16:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> poll booth #94 maybe. you know if anyone else is monkeying with that, paulej72?
[17:10:51] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have done some work on #94 and #95 along with other slashbox problems.
[17:11:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ahh, i'll pick another then.
[17:19:33] <paulej72> anyone have thoughts on max username length? It is now 20 and I am thinking 35
[17:23:42] <mrcoolbp> that should be plenty right?
[17:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, 35 would probably be fine. 20 is technically fine.
[17:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, can't find anything else i feel like tackling today.
[17:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> may look at getting rid of some of the uninitialized value errors that keep popping up in the logs tomorrow even if they're not on the bug tracker.
[17:35:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that would be a good thing :)
[17:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're mostly harmless and only show up because of use strict; but they annoy me and clutter the log.
[17:36:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have the same issue with them
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[17:37:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ocd represent, yo
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[17:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw productive, ima play minecraft.
[17:58:32] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: Do you have a server you play Minceraft on?
[17:58:49] <Blackmoore> vanilla or modded?
[17:59:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, local one for me n me buds. vanilla.
[17:59:30] <Woods> When are you going to upgrade it and publish it for the rest of us on SN?
[18:00:55] <Blackmoore> :) i'll open my modded server up - once i have the mods i want under 1.7
[18:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, i'd prolly make a new one for that. i don't particularly like playing with mods.
[18:01:40] <Woods> Whoever does it, I do not care, my Minecraft muscles have been twitching for Weeks, but I have no server to be on. Local play just simply does not interest me.
[18:02:04] <Woods> I do not know why I caplitalized weeks. It must be getting bad.
[18:02:10] <Blackmoore> i'm ok with managing mods. aside from that my server has been pretty barren (i've been playing skyblock)
[18:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's up n running but it's local to this box so if i'm getting my pirate on over the vpn everyone's fucked.
[18:04:32] <Woods> lol
[18:04:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could grab one of the spare boxes i have laying around and slap it on that. not today though.
[18:19:03] <Blackmoore> i had to rent space - my internet throughput sucks. i was running local, and the lag was stupid.
[18:21:45] <Woods> I should get Google fiber, my electric bills are grouped with my rent, so I could host a server 24/7 without lag, or higher bills.
[18:24:40] <Blackmoore> very nice. my host is ok, but we had a hiccup with backup at one point
[18:28:04] <Blackmoore> and with what my local net speed is, pulling it server, and then pushng it back over takes and hour.
[18:29:02] <Blackmoore> managing modded on a local is pretty easy. remote is a little tedious.
[18:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can do about prolly 10 people on this connection. 20 if they weren't traveling much.
[18:32:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> at once mind you.
[18:37:51] <Blackmoore> well that is the point - isnt it? you cant have a clusterfuck like battling the dragon unless you have a handful of players flailing around
[18:38:39] <Blackmoore> eh. i'll be back
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[18:55:34] <stdhell> Todays user interface failure: The small flags on http://www.profilscan.com
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[19:01:47] <arti> lol
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[19:31:35] * NCommander waves
[19:31:37] * NCommander fall over
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[19:36:15] <Blackmoore> NC - you need a beer or somethin?
[19:38:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> he either needs more beer or to sober up; I'm just not sure which.
[19:45:00] <NCommander> Possibly
[19:45:03] * NCommander is just half asleep
[19:45:09] <NCommander> Birthday is kinda meh right now
[19:47:37] <Blackmoore> Well, i spend a chunk of mine mowing the lawn.
[19:48:19] <Blackmoore> so - where are you? there has to be somepace to see.
[19:48:21] <NCommander> Blackmoore, is today your bday as well?
[19:48:26] <NCommander> Blackmoore, I'm in Tacoma, Seattle
[19:48:27] <Blackmoore> mine was sunday
[19:48:47] <Blackmoore> i got a little mor ancient
[19:49:05] <NCommander> Blackmoore, your beard is a bit more grey
[19:49:14] * NCommander is just depressed that 26 is a lame number
[19:49:17] <NCommander> Looking forward to 27 though
[19:49:29] <NCommander> I like my prime years:-)
[19:51:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> 26? Damn, you're young.
[19:51:28] * AndyTheAbsurd is ancient by comparison
[19:52:08] <Blackmoore> I'm looking forward the next round number I hit we're gonna have a wake :P
[19:52:33] <Blackmoore> i figure what good is my own wake if i cant drink at it.
[19:53:15] <Blackmoore> I remeber 27.. that was a pretty good summer.
[19:53:47] <Blackmoore> once i got past the divorce.
[19:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think i was drunk during 27. most of the rest of the 20s too.
[19:58:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> I should be drunk more often
[19:59:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that or it was just not that interesting
[19:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> happy birthday anyhow, NCommander
[19:59:52] <Blackmoore> eh, byt the time i was 27 i had 3 kids, and one was in diapers. i couldnt afford to drink.
[20:00:22] <Blackmoore> Happy bday NC. We'll hoist a glass for you in here
[20:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i refuse to create anything that smells worse than i do, so no kids
[20:02:07] <Blackmoore> hehe.. the best damn thing to ever happen to me. made me grow up.
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[20:07:03] <Woods> NCommander: 27 is not all that great either. It is not even prime. But better odd than even, right?
[20:07:15] <NCommander> Woods, yeah
[20:07:21] * NCommander is tired and completely shot
[20:22:14] <blackmoore|pointlessmeetings> *this teleconfrece is making my brain melt.
[20:22:39] <blackmoore|pointlessmeetings> *seriously hates the guys in marketing*
[20:28:20] <chromas> Wait, isn't their job to make you love them? Marketing failure! Give 'em the pink slip!
[20:28:41] <blackmoore|pointlessmeetings> this guy just called a file management tool "nice and cuddly"
[20:29:44] <blackmoore|pointlessmeetings> he really ought to be out selling this crap, I just need a whitpaper.
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[20:54:15] <Blackmoore> well, NC, if it was in season i'd send you to one of the renasaince faires out that way. nothing better than some good mead, and a busty wench to flirt with.
[20:55:41] <Blackmoore> in particular the one in Oregon to might run in to James Ernst (chepass games) or Phil Foglio
[20:56:59] <Blackmoore> but better yet, women who a) have brains, and b) will not be offended by advances.
[20:57:16] <Blackmoore> or men ; if your into that
[20:57:25] <Blackmoore> or couples..
[21:02:42] <Woods> Way to cover all the bases, Blackmoore.
[21:09:51] <Blackmoore> :P
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[21:12:06] <Blackmoore> look - it's the only place i've ever worked where everyone is engaged in one-upmanship on sexual harrasment. and we enjoy evey bit of it.
[21:17:28] <chromas> If only offices were that way. "Don't be a puss and complain about comments; learn2rejoin!"
[21:19:28] <Blackmoore> aye.
[21:21:31] <chromas> And then add a "moo" sound
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[22:16:49] <Blackmoore> moo
[22:17:18] <Subsentient> squeak
[22:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, barry allen flash series out this fall.
[22:22:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
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[22:31:52] <Woods> Hmm, looks interesting.
[22:33:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> big comic book series fan, so i gotta watch it. i even the ones that suck.
[22:33:24] <Woods> I wonder if they actually do it well though. The last "Super fast guy" thing I saw turned out to be really crappy, I think people have a hard time getting it to work.
[22:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's not like they don't have a few back issues to yoink plots from
[22:34:03] <Woods> Hehe, indeed.
[22:34:39] <Woods> Hopefully they do not pick the bad ones. :P
[22:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't start any slower than the SHIELD series
[22:36:25] <Woods> Never saw it, not sure how interested I would be in a bunch of normal people that live in the Marvel universe.
[22:37:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> took half a season but it finally picked up and got interesting
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[22:52:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Shield has so many plot twists it reminds me of Buffy now
[22:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole buffy...
[22:54:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> still wish they'd done better on casting ward and the skye character is still leaving me kind of meh.
[22:56:13] <paulej72> I think the point was to get unknown actors, but they could have gotten better ones for those two
[22:57:46] <paulej72> Shield is almost a story about superheros where we never see one, and thus save on the special effects budget :)
[22:58:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i was really happy bout ward's big reveal just since it meant he'd be off the team.
[22:59:07] <paulej72> Non human cgi is dirt cheap so we can do all of the fancy 6 engine VTOL cargo plane shots
[23:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, and they're dead set on making it work for the movies' synergy so they're throwing enough money in that it looks MUCH better than other season 1 wheedon shows.
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[23:22:06] <Landon> "season 1 whedon shows" or "1 season whedon shows"
[23:22:07] <Landon> zing
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[23:24:39] <paulej72> Landon: I am still pissed that Firefly was cancled
[23:26:22] <Blackmoore> so much promise, i still dont get why noone else picked it up.
[23:27:24] <paulej72> everyone was confused because Fox ran the episodes out of order.
[23:28:08] <paulej72> OK off to get some shoes
[23:28:33] <Blackmoore> if i was a tv exec, i wouldnt care. spaceships, horses, guns and phasers!
[23:28:44] <Blackmoore> (and a damn fine cast)
[23:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> fox just loves killing shows. it gives them executive wood.
[23:41:46] <chromas> Mmm, Foxwood
[23:42:08] <chromas> If they want to cancel something, it should be the Cleveland Show
[23:43:09] <chromas> Or move to Disney Channel and kill off everything by It's a Laugh
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