#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-11

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[00:00:01] <mattie_p> oh, most excellent
[00:00:05] <mrcoolbp> http://www.jaruzel.com
[00:00:18] <mattie_p> yeah, looking now at the link
[00:00:29] <mrcoolbp> also I liked this AC comment: http://soylentnews.org
[00:00:51] <mrcoolbp> sane URLs would be cool
[00:01:43] <mattie_p> it'll be nice if we can manage that
[00:03:42] <mrcoolbp> lots of little gems buried in the wiki, much of it amongst old outdated info
[00:04:27] <mattie_p> I think I'll review at least one random page a day and see what can be done with it
[00:05:40] <mattie_p> just taking a quick break right now, we're starting to pack so moving stuff around, I can put in some time later
[00:08:28] <mrcoolbp> pack for what?
[00:08:41] <mattie_p> pack for the move, whatever happens we're moving soon
[00:13:49] <mrcoolbp> are you at least sure you are coming east?
[00:25:19] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p do you remember what the concensus was on when we actually should use "editor's notes"
[00:25:35] <mrcoolbp> er should
[00:26:30] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[00:26:38] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[00:29:31] <mrcoolbp> this is as far as I got: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[00:31:30] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Fight Malaria with Fridge Magnets and Laser Pointers - http://sylnt.us - The-Street-Finds-its-Own-Uses
[00:31:46] <mattie_p> the consensus is that editor notes should be few and far between
[00:32:20] <mattie_p> preferably used to link to previous stories on the subject and not "editorialize"
[00:37:38] <mattie_p> for example: http://soylentnews.org
[00:38:39] <mattie_p> I added that to the wiki
[00:41:00] <mrcoolbp> thank you, gotta run, catch you soon I hope
[00:41:08] <mattie_p> alright, talk to you later
[00:44:30] <mrcoolbp> later
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[02:30:58] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Coping with a "Sensor Society" - http://sylnt.us - Not-Being-Seen
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[03:23:56] <SpallsHurgenson> man, "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" is a loooong movie
[03:23:59] <Landon> local area worried about draining the reservoir....
[03:24:18] <Landon> so it's a severe thunderstorm watch, already some rain and business from the storm
[03:24:23] <Landon> and the apartments sprinklers go on
[03:24:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Landon: did somebody pee in it again?
[03:24:39] <Landon> you would think an extra couple hundred bucks and they could hook that up to a weather service
[03:25:33] <Landon> SpallsHurgenson: heh no, not in that way
[03:25:38] <Landon> in the "we're using too much water" way
[03:25:44] <SpallsHurgenson> good, I wanted to be the first :)
[03:26:17] <Landon> " The city said if nothing changed its primary source of water would be dry in two and a half years."
[03:26:19] <Landon> that's no time at all
[03:26:47] <SpallsHurgenson> only one thing to do!
[03:26:51] <SpallsHurgenson> invade the next county!
[03:27:38] <Landon> honestly, I can't remember the last time I've been at a major lake around here in the last decade and the water line wasn't significantly receded :\
[03:27:40] <Landon> kind of disappointing
[03:27:46] <Landon> damnit, nature
[03:28:30] <mattie_p> its probably obama's fault, Landon
[03:28:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I feel the same way about the ocean, except in reverse. "Stop eating away my coastline, waves!"
[03:35:01] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe if I glare at the ocean it will behave
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[03:51:38] * SpallsHurgenson wallows in self-pity; it's hard to live in a world where everybody is wrong but me :)
[03:59:08] <crutchy> obama's hairline has receded
[04:06:25] <SpallsHurgenson> a terrorist plot!
[04:16:14] <NCommander> Wooo
[04:16:23] <NCommander> Ok, first draft of the Soylent Manifesto is *complete*
[04:16:45] * SpallsHurgenson was never quite sure why we /needed/ a Manifesto anyway
[04:17:08] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, :-P
[04:17:32] <NCommander> Gives me an idea of working on the other important documents that involve SN
[04:20:43] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, a revolution of "the people", its original leader ousted, a manifesto, the new leader gives himself a miltary-sounding title... this newsgroup is sounding more and more like a banana republic :) :) :) :)
[04:23:48] * NCommander stabs SpallsHurgenson
[04:23:59] * NCommander shows Por La Republica!
[04:25:26] <SpallsHurgenson> is the IRC channel ## the gulag?
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[05:42:22] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Intergroup Judgements of Different Non-Meat Eaters - http://sylnt.us - Vegan-Police
[06:13:29] <SpallsHurgenson> it's the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front all over again!
[06:14:16] <mrcoolbp> I beleive southpark ran that joke as well
[06:14:53] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but Monty Python was funnier :)
[06:15:38] <mrcoolbp> agreed
[06:17:26] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, the complete monty python dvd collection is 14 dvds and $250
[06:17:59] <SpallsHurgenson> it says something when it's more the number of DVDs than the cost that is the main turn off; I'd hate having to rip all those discs :)
[06:20:54] <chromas> No Blu-Ray?
[06:21:05] <chromas> Not until you buy the DVDs
[06:22:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I still don't own a bluray player
[06:23:07] <SpallsHurgenson> largely because I like to rip discs to hdd once I get 'em
[06:23:20] <chromas> Can't rip without player
[06:23:30] <chromas> Unless you just mean stand-alone player
[06:23:48] <SpallsHurgenson> ain't got no bluray nuthin'
[06:24:01] <chromas> You need to spend money on it specifically for this one thing
[06:24:23] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm old and decripit; I can't see the difference in quality between dvd and bluray anyway :)
[06:24:43] <chromas> With Blu-Ray you can see the film grain , scratches and hairs better
[06:26:01] <SpallsHurgenson> all that AND I have to futz about with discs again every time I want to watch a movie.
[06:26:14] <SpallsHurgenson> Can I get mandatory trailers and FBI warnings too?
[06:26:25] <chromas> True. Even if you rip them you'll run out of HDD space
[06:26:52] <SpallsHurgenson> wouldn't that depend on what quality you 'rip 'em at?
[06:26:53] <chromas> Trailers and warnings are almost always skippable
[06:27:11] <chromas> Insert disc, press stop twice, then play
[06:27:27] <SpallsHurgenson> skippable fbi warnings? where's the fun in that? You almost had me sold on bluray until then
[06:27:40] <chromas> Well I don't know about bluray, but DVDs
[06:28:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I still wouldn't get monty python though. ripping is annoying to do :)
[06:28:31] <chromas> It's why we have the internet
[06:28:46] <chromas> Nobody will expect the copyright infringement
[06:28:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I ripped all my bab5 dvds (30+) and that was a huge pain
[06:29:32] <chromas> I tried ripping some DVDs once; they were molasses slow. Not sure if it's just crappy drive or Windows was trying to discourage ripping
[06:29:57] <chromas> Back when I had Vista
[06:30:28] <SpallsHurgenson> our chief weapon is our low price and convenience. Our TWO chief weapons are low price, convenience and easy availability. Wait, wait, let me start again.
[06:31:03] <chromas> :-)
[06:35:53] <mrcoolbp> chroma, I'm so sorry, I just heard...
[06:36:08] <mrcoolbp> ...that you used vista!
[06:36:14] <mrcoolbp> sorry, I'm tired
[06:36:20] <mrcoolbp> g'night folks
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[06:38:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I think one of my laptops use vista...
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[07:03:47] <chromas> What's weird was when I put Linux on it, sound and stuff wouldn't work until I upgraded to 64-bit
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[07:28:23] <crutchy> i have a 2 bit light switch controller
[07:40:39] <MrBluze> does anyone know how much a QT license is?
[07:41:26] <crutchy> what's a QT license?
[07:41:27] <ciri> Wants his chocobo license.
[07:41:46] <crutchy> s/nse/nce/
[07:41:46] <SedBot> <crutchy> what's a QT licence?
[07:41:48] <swiss> i don't need a license to be a qt
[07:41:57] <MrBluze> QT toolkit
[07:42:16] <MrBluze> u can release the software as commercial by using dynamic libraries
[07:42:19] * crutchy was thinking "queensland tool"
[07:42:24] <MrBluze> without a license, but if u want to compile QT u have to pay a license
[07:43:05] <MrBluze> nvm :)
[07:43:24] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[07:43:27] <crutchy> btw :-)
[07:43:46] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[07:43:56] <MrBluze> it's something around $7000 for an all-OS license
[07:44:03] <crutchy> holy crapshit
[07:44:18] <crutchy> free as in freedom is about right
[07:44:21] <MrBluze> yeah thats a lot
[07:44:22] <crutchy> certainly not beer
[07:44:39] <arti> this is an awesome campaign: https://www.youtube.com
[07:44:45] <MrBluze> but u can sell software that uses QT, just have to say it's done with QT and not compile it
[07:45:17] * crutchy is trying to upload map images to irciv.port119.net
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[07:48:57] <MrBluze> thing is, though, i have been using wxwidgets for the gui library for years now
[07:49:16] <MrBluze> but the portability of that isn't as good as it's made out to be .. and mobile device support i am not sure it even exists
[07:51:25] <chromas> The toolkit isn't too important. You just need to make an 'interpreter' to convert your text format to whatever your tk of choice takes
[07:52:05] <Konomi> anyone know if perl has some debug switch so I can see execution of commands?
[07:52:13] <chromas> You could use fltk or wxwidgets description as the 'native' format but then other people can make an adapter for android or whatever
[07:55:01] <arti> maybe you can achieve verbose output by prefixing your help request thusly: perl sucks because i can't see which commands are executed
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[08:11:23] <SirFinkus> hmm, I have an idea, I wonder if it's a good one
[08:11:36] <SirFinkus> kind of like slashdot/soylent news, except an irc channel
[08:12:04] <SirFinkus> people submit stories, editors approve them, then a bot posts them in irc
[08:12:04] <arti> which you access through a browser?
[08:12:17] <SirFinkus> when chat dies down, the next story is postsed
[08:12:22] <SirFinkus> posted even
[08:12:49] <chromas> And then the chat log for that time is posted on the interwebz for posterity?
[08:12:57] <SirFinkus> probably been done before
[08:13:03] <SirFinkus> maybe, could be interesting
[08:13:10] <chromas> Have a script make the log hierarchical
[08:13:22] <chromas> Or invent hierarchical chat
[08:13:29] <chromas> Need child comments
[08:13:34] <SirFinkus> probably more like hacker news actually, except in real time
[08:13:38] <SirFinkus> no summaries, just links
[08:14:18] <SirFinkus> maybe a different channel for submissions, people can vote submissions up or down in that channel to see what gets posted to the main channel
[08:15:00] <MrBluze> chromas: regarding the interpreter, u are right
[08:15:21] <chromas> ego++
[08:15:21] <deadpeas> karma - ego: 1
[08:15:23] <ciri> They "fixed" a lot of people and injuring 1,675 people in nys living in 1% of the moon.
[08:15:24] <MrBluze> im just thinking what's the easiest for producing a multi-platform solution
[08:15:41] * SirFinkus starts pythoning
[08:16:24] * MrBluze starts c++ing
[08:16:33] * arti starts haskelling
[08:16:50] * chromas is still pascaling
[08:17:28] <chromas> $sr
[08:20:22] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Boo-Boo The Bear: Stress Relief Without Rabies - http://sylnt.us - Terminale!
[08:24:48] <chromas> Oh I thought that was puff puff the roach
[08:31:06] <chromas> $sr
[08:31:58] <chromas> $sr
[08:49:58] <chromas> $sr nocab cipot.
[08:49:58] <aqu4> .topic bacon
[08:50:44] <chromas> $sr samorhc kcik.
[08:50:44] <aqu4> .kick chromas
[08:52:52] <MrBluze> * aqu4 loves bacon, even though it is forbidden by the boss .. should read "because it is forbidden by the boss"
[08:53:23] <chromas> $sr
[08:54:22] <chromas> $sr ++nocab
[08:54:22] <aqu4> bacon++
[08:54:45] <chromas> $sr
[08:55:12] <MrBluze> are html5 applications a realistic proposition?
[08:56:11] <chromas> Well the idea sucks
[08:56:16] <chromas> Down with javascript
[08:56:22] <MrBluze> it does seem to suck
[08:56:28] <MrBluze> but html5 can be combined with c++
[08:56:38] <MrBluze> using webkit
[08:56:55] <chromas> True; there's no rule that says you have to execute javascript instead of a programming language
[08:57:15] <chromas> That's just de facto because we were really, really high back then
[08:57:31] <chromas> ecma script
[08:58:04] <MrBluze> but for a crypto application..
[08:58:55] <MrBluze> ... OS suppled widgets are better methinks
[08:58:59] <chromas> There's the HTML renderer and then javascript is a separate engine, so you should be able to replace that with whatever you want
[08:59:23] <chromas> And you could add other widgets too. You already get buttons and edits
[08:59:55] <MrBluze> yeah
[09:00:12] <chromas> So in addition to <button/> you could specify <scrollbox/> or whatever
[09:07:46] <crutchy> lol "there's no rule that says you have to execute javascript instead of a programming language"
[09:08:01] <crutchy> i knew js wasn't a real language
[09:08:04] <crutchy> :-P
[09:08:25] <crutchy> chromas++
[09:08:25] <deadpeas> karma - chromas: 8
[09:21:13] * SirFinkus was halfway through making a tequila sunrise before he realized he had grapefruit juice instead of orange juice
[09:21:27] <SirFinkus> does grapefruit juice potentiate ethanol?
[09:22:19] <SirFinkus> wikipedia says benzodiazapines, but it says "a variety of drugs" too
[09:25:11] <SirFinkus> tastes ok in any case
[09:30:06] <SirFinkus> not a very good cocktail though, the taste of tequila is very strong
[09:30:16] <SirFinkus> I like tequila though, so it's fine for me
[10:41:17] <MrBluze> NCommander: xubuntu is beautiful.. my favorite distro now
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[10:50:15] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - First Covert Communication System wiith Lasers - http://sylnt.us - Sustained-Emission
[10:57:25] <chromas> Problem solved, MrBluze. Now you've got your desktop
[10:57:38] <MrBluze> lol
[10:57:39] <ciri> Lol artist name.
[10:57:51] <MrBluze> chromas: im just gonna use it for developing
[10:58:18] <MrBluze> and build the UI interpreter starting with QT
[10:58:40] <chromas> Neat. C++ eh
[10:58:42] <MrBluze> but at the moment im making a bunch of crypto stuff ... will implement the tag based fs thing for it
[10:58:44] <MrBluze> yep
[10:59:00] <chromas> Although there are bindings for other languages too
[10:59:39] <MrBluze> there are, but im more comfortable with it .. and anyway c++ compiles into nice and fast code
[10:59:46] <chromas> You could design the tagfs as a server-side script
[11:00:10] <chromas> Then port to to an fs after you gey things figured out
[11:00:28] <MrBluze> i guess..
[11:00:41] <chromas> Because urls are basically fancy file paths
[11:00:47] <MrBluze> what i need to provide is a load/save/set tag/get tag/copy/modify/etc functions
[11:01:03] <chromas> That don't necessarily map to files
[11:01:12] <MrBluze> that's right
[11:01:55] <MrBluze> well i start off implementing a very basic thing just storing, importing/exporting the files to the fs
[11:02:00] <chromas> So you could split the url path by "/" and AND the parts together in the search
[11:02:58] <MrBluze> yes
[11:03:16] <MrBluze> that would work actually
[11:03:55] <MrBluze> at this point im just building up a set of stuff so i have something to go with .. getting an sqlite3 interface working, etc etc
[11:04:04] <MrBluze> cause i havent used QT before.. i always used wxwidgets
[11:04:27] <crutchy> i'm still trying to transfer a gif image from one pyewta to another less than 10 feet away
[11:04:33] <MrBluze> but seems QT has a similar set of libraries just more professionally documented and better multi-OS support including mobile devices
[11:04:54] <MrBluze> so i'm getting there :)
[11:05:16] <chromas> :-)
[11:05:26] * MrBluze gonna basically let this desktop system work on top of whatever compositor is around .. X for now
[11:06:05] <MrBluze> if Subs gets an instant-on thing working, i might have something for him to look at then
[11:06:23] <MrBluze> especially if it boots to a graphic mode that supports QT
[11:07:40] <crutchy> ping xlefay
[11:07:50] <crutchy> xlefay++
[11:07:50] <deadpeas> karma - xlefay: 48
[11:08:42] <crutchy> maybe the switch that he swore at decided to eat him
[11:09:04] <crutchy> switch->stdout(xlefay);
[11:12:05] <crutchy> tux wake up xlefay!
[11:12:06] <exec> _________________
[11:12:06] <exec> < wake up xlefay! >
[11:12:06] <exec> -----------------
[11:12:06] <exec> \
[11:12:07] <exec> \
[11:12:07] <exec> .--.
[11:12:07] <exec> |o_o |
[11:12:08] <exec> |:_/ |
[11:12:08] <exec> // \ \
[11:12:09] <exec> (| | )
[11:12:09] <exec> /'\_ _/`\
[11:12:10] <exec> \___)=(___/
[11:12:10] <ciri> Has seen no movoes recently.
[11:13:01] <crutchy> ciri, do you know siri?
[11:15:56] <MrBluze> while(gone(xlefay) { bring.back(xlefay); }
[11:16:38] <crutchy> ciri apparently knows of "authentic tards"
[11:17:04] <crutchy> its probably thinking of asp developers
[11:19:44] <chromas> crutchy++
[11:19:44] <deadpeas> karma - crutchy: 63
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[11:38:52] <crutchy> g'day stderr
[11:49:18] <SirFinkus> https://twitter.com
[11:49:20] <SirFinkus> lol
[12:02:07] <MrBluze> hmm.. libressl isn't ready
[12:02:14] * MrBluze mutters
[12:03:22] <crutchy> ryo
[12:04:50] <MrBluze> think i'll use QCA
[12:07:15] <MrBluze> im making something that will create public keys.. for starters
[12:07:37] <MrBluze> i imagine libressl and openssl will do that the same way
[12:08:30] <MrBluze> brb
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[12:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:53:45] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 48
[12:55:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:55:17] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 49
[13:03:09] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:03:09] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 50
[13:03:14] <MrBluze> i like round numbers
[13:11:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:11:43] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 51
[13:11:46] <crutchy> hehe
[13:18:34] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:18:34] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 52
[13:18:37] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:18:37] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 53
[13:18:39] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:18:39] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 54
[13:21:07] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:07] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 55
[13:21:10] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:10] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 56
[13:21:12] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:12] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 57
[13:21:13] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:13] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 58
[13:21:15] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:15] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 59
[13:21:15] <ciri> Arti xlefay chromas crutchy bacon coffee kobach mattie_p ncommander bytram mrcoolbp paulej72 barrabas zford auto_def khyber hax0rz.
[13:21:16] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:16] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 60
[13:21:18] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:21:18] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 61
[13:21:23] <crutchy> :-P
[13:21:24] <MrBluze> argh!
[13:21:30] <MrBluze> argh!
[13:21:31] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:31] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 62
[13:21:34] <crutchy> lol
[13:21:42] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:42] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 63
[13:21:48] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:21:48] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 64
[13:21:57] <MrBluze> crytpo messaging system looks like it might be quite easy actually
[13:22:00] <crutchy> $crutchy->set(evil,0);
[13:22:06] <MrBluze> except for the socket stuff.. havent done much of that before
[13:22:13] <MrBluze> coffee++
[13:22:13] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 65
[13:22:14] <crutchy> sockets are fun
[13:22:18] <crutchy> what lang?
[13:23:28] <crutchy> i figured out how to upload a gif file with a socket tonight
[13:23:43] * crutchy is feeling rather chuffed :-D
[13:24:34] <MrBluze> c++
[13:24:34] <deadpeas> karma - c: 23
[13:24:44] <crutchy> except for the files rfp, the intertubes failed me dismally
[13:24:53] <MrBluze> i just need to do wget
[13:24:56] <MrBluze> and wput ;)
[13:25:07] <crutchy> ah. nice :-)
[13:26:05] <MrBluze> if i can do a $_POST type thing, equiv of php
[13:26:15] <MrBluze> send a post, and do a wget, i'm set
[13:26:21] <MrBluze> .. via proxy
[13:26:49] <crutchy> i'm a c/c++ noob
[13:27:37] <crutchy> got a hd in a uni elective on c, but that was maybe 12 years ago or something
[13:27:38] <MrBluze> welcome to the best language ever ;)
[13:27:50] <MrBluze> c++ is pretty awesome really
[13:27:50] <deadpeas> karma - c: 24
[13:27:56] <crutchy> yeah
[13:28:01] <MrBluze> once u get the point, it becomes clear why it exists..
[13:28:13] <MrBluze> c gets u to a certain point and then it gets confuddled
[13:28:29] <crutchy> delphi has spoilt me in that area
[13:28:31] <ciri> Oooooo the mode of power supply do you have the "end" area, i think if you've only used one stone you can meld materia.
[13:28:32] <MrBluze> but c++ takes u further .. u can make huge apps with it .. build whole ecosystems
[13:28:53] * MrBluze pokes ciri in the bolts
[13:28:55] <ciri> : S/(.)/ ciri /g.
[13:29:35] <crutchy> ciri: s/./ . Y . /
[13:29:35] <SedBot> <crutchy> <ciri> . Y . S/(.)/ ciri /g.
[13:29:52] <crutchy> shitcakes
[13:29:56] <MrBluze> delphi... but can u make stuff for linux/windows/osx/ios/android with one codebase ? i think u nearly can with delphi
[13:30:24] <Konomi> can't you do that with java too?
[13:30:26] * Konomi hides
[13:31:06] <MrBluze> yeah, but crappily
[13:31:10] <crutchy> i use d7 and except for microsoft shit (com/ado/etc) you can compile with minimal changes in lazarus/fp or kylix
[13:31:15] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Photoshopping Facebook is Lying to the Police - http://sylnt.us - Selfie-Incrimination
[13:31:57] <Konomi> selfie incrimination I like that
[13:32:04] <crutchy> delphi is pretty good, but not free so not as popular as c++
[13:32:30] <MrBluze> i agree with that crutchy, i think delphi is a good product
[13:33:31] <crutchy> d7 and under... .NET started stinking it up from d8 onwards
[13:33:41] <crutchy> d7 pro is awesome
[13:34:18] <crutchy> been using it for about 14 years
[13:34:24] <MrBluze> open source stuff like c++ is a bit more work to set up
[13:34:31] <crutchy> prolly will never upgrade either :-P
[13:34:52] <crutchy> if i didn't have delphi already i would definitely use gcc
[13:35:04] <crutchy> c++ is awesome too
[13:35:04] <deadpeas> karma - c: 25
[13:35:15] <MrBluze> .. i usually have a snapshopt project ready to start from with most of the usual stuff i use.. like sqlite3, some crypto libraries, wxwidgets ..
[13:35:28] <MrBluze> but im gonna start with qt-creator so i am starting that process again
[13:36:15] * crutchy wonders how much of that stuff is in lazarus
[13:36:53] <MrBluze> probably all of it
[13:36:59] <crutchy> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org
[13:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, why you gotta hate on C? it does big projects just fine.
[13:37:55] <crutchy> ooh synchro-edit
[13:37:58] <crutchy> trippy
[13:38:22] <MrBluze> well classes and namespaces and stuff helps
[13:38:31] <crutchy> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org
[13:39:11] <MrBluze> i like C too, found it a pain at first getting used to c++
[13:39:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhhh, that's why
[13:39:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you got used to OO first
[13:40:08] <crutchy> c lacks a bit of the "just get the shit out the door quick" ability
[13:40:38] <crutchy> though if set up well u prolly can still
[13:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, so does c++. should use VB for that.
[13:41:02] <crutchy> lol
[13:41:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, okay, that was a troll
[13:41:17] <MrBluze> ;)
[13:41:46] <MrBluze> also i couldnt initially find much in the way of GUI stuff in C
[13:42:12] <MrBluze> used to write my own gui libs before windows
[13:42:32] <MrBluze> .. but for multi platform stuff it all seems to be c++
[13:42:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, it's prolly there. i avoid coding in low level langs when possible though.
[13:42:52] <crutchy> you can see how all the gui calls work in delphi's vcl
[13:42:53] <ciri> Yeah dude, how do scans work, like can i hollow out an astroid, will succeed." gordon parks.
[13:42:58] <MrBluze> c is easier to follow
[13:43:14] <crutchy> hollowing out asteroids eh
[13:44:06] <crutchy> i would hate to have to manually code the api calls for gdi
[13:44:17] <MrBluze> well c++ isnt very low level
[13:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, this thing on the bottom of my back, why it's MY ASS
[13:44:41] <MrBluze> u just grab your libraries and it's all pretty much do this do that and forget the nitty gritty
[13:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh yeah but c++ is like THE low level OO language
[13:45:25] <crutchy> delphi
[13:45:37] <crutchy> s the click the icon on the toolbar
[13:45:47] <crutchy> and it just puts the thing on the form for you
[13:46:04] <crutchy> damn apostrophe being to close to the enter key :-P
[13:46:13] <crutchy> s/to/too/
[13:46:13] <SedBot> <crutchy> damn apostrophe being too close to the enter key :-P
[13:46:28] <MrBluze> hmm.. if u use a gui designer in c++, u just construct your gui
[13:46:32] <MrBluze> then write stuff for the events
[13:46:46] <MrBluze> it's pretty damn easy
[13:46:51] <crutchy> borland's c++ builder is basically delphi for c++
[13:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's ease from the ide though, not the language.
[13:47:14] <MrBluze> yeah u can use that, or qt-designer, or code::blocks + wx-designer
[13:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> or eclipse
[13:47:33] <crutchy> the d7 help files have c++ syntax in them too
[13:47:35] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah but at least then u have the option of going low level at any time, if u want
[13:47:52] <MrBluze> for example i have modified various widgets here and there to improve sorting, or pre-filling fields, or whatever
[13:48:08] <crutchy> or just chuck in some inline assembler
[13:48:20] <MrBluze> and even that ..
[13:48:28] <MrBluze> none of this walled garden shit
[13:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> truthfully, i fuck not with gui when the job can be done via command line. very, very rarely have to produce gui code that's not eventually winding up as html.
[13:49:58] <MrBluze> i usually write two programs in parallel - the cli version and the gui version
[13:50:01] <crutchy> must admit i'm kinda liking cli for the irc bot stuff
[13:50:14] <crutchy> very easy
[13:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of being a sysadmin instead of a proper code monkey.
[13:50:54] <crutchy> getting irc to talk to a web server through a socket :-P
[13:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> need more coffee
[13:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i don't feel like screwing with /dev today. think i'll go fishing instead. after coffee.
[13:57:17] * MrBluze reading about STS / Diffie / Hellman
[13:59:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> good man. work that secure key exchange
[13:59:42] <MrBluze> 3 interactions
[14:00:05] <MrBluze> means it should be done live.. or will take time if people are online at incompatible times
[14:00:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, just the exchange though not the generation
[14:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, you're doing pfs
[14:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, gotta be live then
[14:01:53] <ar> https://medium.com
[14:01:54] <ciri> Oh nice, i open so fucking bad https://www.youtube.com
[14:02:26] <ar> ugh, index.php? o_O
[14:02:46] <MrBluze> .. but if two people communicating have common keys from other people they have both met and exchanged..
[14:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ciri a bot or just spouting organic nonsense?
[14:03:39] <MrBluze> pfs doenst have to be live
[14:03:53] <MrBluze> u can do pfs as long as it's ping-pong communication over time
[14:03:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, still live you just do the key exchange between the clients with no server involvement
[14:04:13] <MrBluze> ah ok
[14:04:20] * MrBluze thinks
[14:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, yeah but then you have to store state which is annoying
[14:05:17] <MrBluze> so i had another solution for doing this in a non-live way
[14:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no server involvement makes for better security anyway
[14:06:20] <MrBluze> but i dunno if it's better
[14:06:33] <MrBluze> true.. the key negotiation should be done live
[14:07:17] <MrBluze> actually secret sharing should be done by an alternative route altogether
[14:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> getting your own key initially or an offline user's would necessitate server involvement though
[14:08:16] <MrBluze> it does
[14:08:41] <MrBluze> but if the two people know eachother by some other route first .. like skype, or even email..
[14:09:13] <MrBluze> could that be used to confirm the sending of a secret .. like a number or whatever
[14:09:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, then peer to peer
[14:10:09] <MrBluze> i wanted to have a system where u could post a message anywhere, and the recipient will find it
[14:10:30] <MrBluze> like u could put it in a pastebin, or on a designated server, or in a qr-code
[14:10:30] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[14:10:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically pgp with pfs then
[14:10:53] <MrBluze> yep
[14:11:16] <MrBluze> its more an email / in plain sight sharing thing rather than a private chat
[14:11:21] <MrBluze> private chat is everywhere already
[14:12:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, skip the p2p entirely then
[14:13:03] <MrBluze> p2p could work for direct file transfers
[14:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, plenty of avenues for that already though
[14:13:50] <MrBluze> true, but if u use this system, u might say "when it's convenient, send file to x"
[14:14:05] <MrBluze> and leave it online and it will negotiate a connection when x is online and just do the file transfer
[14:14:58] <MrBluze> just want to have a secure email / forum system
[14:15:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, or you do like you were saying, encrypt the file like a message and leave it online
[14:15:51] <MrBluze> yeah .. like a letter drop
[14:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> could replace the entire server notion with p2p but no sense building it in half way
[14:16:26] <MrBluze> p2p confuses me .. BUT
[14:16:30] <MrBluze> i did have an idea bout that
[14:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> easier to start with a server to get things running initially i expect
[14:18:34] <MrBluze> it is
[14:18:41] <crutchy> secure exchange key
[14:18:46] <crutchy> or sex
[14:18:59] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: crutchy is alluding to my idea
[14:19:00] <crutchy> bring on the sex key
[14:19:26] <MrBluze> ok .. its complex
[14:19:28] <ciri> Tastes ok in any case.
[14:19:31] <MrBluze> but say A is talking to Z
[14:19:37] <crutchy> at least half the population will want to use it if you call it that
[14:19:48] <MrBluze> now A has B, C, D, and E as contacts, Z has Q, R ,S and T
[14:20:14] <crutchy> woah this is almost as complicated as professor frink's "ordinary square"
[14:20:36] <MrBluze> each time u communicate with someone, u give them your calling card.. just a key - not a public key
[14:20:49] <MrBluze> and they give u theres, and everyone else they trust
[14:21:08] <crutchy> as long as they don't give me their pubic key
[14:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're essentially describing dhcp
[14:21:12] <MrBluze> so A will have calling cards from B/C/D/E . plus all of their contacts..
[14:21:19] <MrBluze> sort of
[14:21:31] <MrBluze> when A talks to Z, they exchange hashes of the keys they own
[14:21:44] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: dhcp doesn't have sex in it
[14:21:56] <MrBluze> and they use commonly owned keys to build a shared secret
[14:22:15] <MrBluze> provided there is a contact link along one or more paths between A and Z
[14:22:18] <crutchy> ooh
[14:22:21] <crutchy> s.ex
[14:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you've obviously not spent much time seeing what torrents are available
[14:22:29] <MrBluze> s.ex salt exchange
[14:22:31] <crutchy> secure exchange protocol
[14:22:48] <crutchy> who wouldn't wanna know about the sex protocol
[14:22:49] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: u follow?
[14:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[14:23:16] <crutchy> MrBluze: you might be the perfect guy for RFC8008135
[14:23:19] <MrBluze> the idea is a MITM may not be in posession of these keys as they have to have the same set of relationships
[14:23:57] <MrBluze> lmao 8008135
[14:24:12] <crutchy> s.ex protocol
[14:24:49] <MrBluze> ... otherwise i have to find a way to make STS work non-live
[14:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> problem is you can get keys easily
[14:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> calling cards rather
[14:25:09] <MrBluze> STS might be the way to excahnge the calling cards
[14:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> just collect a set
[14:25:14] <MrBluze> yeah u collect a set
[14:25:33] <MrBluze> but your set will differ depeinding on your place in the larger network
[14:25:40] <MrBluze> 6 degrees of separation
[14:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> use that to collect all of them
[14:25:50] <crutchy> i guess if you scrape the web for these keys you can rainbow table them?
[14:26:05] <MrBluze> rainbow table infinity? go for it ;)
[14:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can rainbow table them just off a client written to do so.
[14:26:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not rainbow table really but all active calling cards table
[14:26:31] <crutchy> gpu clusters are becoming fairly common
[14:26:39] <crutchy> lol yeah sorry
[14:26:49] <crutchy> rainbow table is bit different eh
[14:26:51] <ciri> Well not rainbow table really but all active calling cards table.
[14:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> stfu ciri
[14:27:03] <crutchy> table and chairs table
[14:27:04] <MrBluze> well u exchange hashes of calling cards
[14:27:13] <crutchy> tabulate the rainbow chairs
[14:28:31] * crutchy wonders how hard it would be for someone to crack exec's web server key
[14:28:41] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: how then to thwart MITM of duffie-hellman in a non-live situation
[14:30:12] <MrBluze> exchange two sets of keys by different pathways
[14:30:28] <crutchy> one thing i got going is that exec's key isn't passed through the interwebs, so no mitm to worry about
[14:31:09] <MrBluze> public key exchange via the server... maybe another key exchange via a second server? or make it wait and do it p2p? or ..
[14:31:24] <MrBluze> or via email? still they can mitm if they intercept both pathways
[14:31:32] <crutchy> mitm makes very hard
[14:31:50] <crutchy> i think only way around is to increase work for mitm
[14:32:10] <crutchy> make cracking computationally expensive
[14:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> sign the pub keys received from the server with the server's privkey
[14:32:48] <MrBluze> the server becomes the CA
[14:32:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[14:32:58] <MrBluze> but i dont trust the server
[14:32:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> until the server gets compromised
[14:33:00] <MrBluze> so...?
[14:33:05] <MrBluze> right
[14:33:22] <MrBluze> well my thing was a way of building webs of trust
[14:33:36] <crutchy> invent a new encryption algo that turns a 10 byte string into a 10 mb string
[14:33:53] <MrBluze> crutchy: windows
[14:34:02] <crutchy> microsoft word eh :-P
[14:34:08] <MrBluze> yep
[14:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but if an untrusted client gets on the web you've lost all keys pretty much instantly.
[14:34:20] <crutchy> i discovered something about excel last wekk
[14:34:33] <MrBluze> true
[14:34:43] <crutchy> one of our comps templates is about 8 mb as an xlsx
[14:35:06] <MrBluze> my way around that was.. that because not everyone is in contact with everyone, you are likely to have keys from several 'webs of trust'
[14:35:15] <MrBluze> each web of trust being the spread of a particular key
[14:35:17] <crutchy> i got a stupid error where i couldn't save (mainly when you import sheets from elsewhere), so i tried saving as an xls, and it worked
[14:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> could do a proof of work type of thing like bitcoin
[14:35:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> shameful waste of resources though
[14:35:50] <MrBluze> .. if each key is only a kb
[14:35:52] <crutchy> xlsx = 8mb, same workbook in xls = 600 kb
[14:36:27] <crutchy> small key... easier to crack
[14:36:36] <crutchy> mitm is your enemy
[14:36:42] <MrBluze> 1kb is a freakin hard key to guess
[14:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, is a good idea but the client i'd make would intentionally become in contact with everyone else it could find.
[14:36:54] <crutchy> but easy to brute force
[14:36:54] <MrBluze> how many bits of entropy is that .. 8000
[14:37:22] <crutchy> well, not easy... i have no idea really
[14:37:22] <ciri> "Yes just a pretty easy all-in-one solution for burning mkv to dvd.
[14:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> just to collect their keys so it could mitm
[14:37:26] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: but you only send a calling card when you click "trust this person"
[14:37:39] <MrBluze> all your client would do is send people its calling card
[14:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[14:38:10] <MrBluze> the thing is, its likely your list of trusted people will differe from all of your contacts
[14:38:14] <MrBluze> unless you are in a little ring
[14:38:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's better then. only adds human idiocy as a vector instead of being automated
[14:38:38] <MrBluze> well those cards dont have names, they are only random shit with a hash
[14:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> might as well have names if they're unique though
[14:39:05] <MrBluze> so A might share cards with Z by several separate routes
[14:39:08] <crutchy> could we set up a proof of concept in the SN community?
[14:39:22] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: but u can keep reissuing new ones, no reason not to
[14:39:36] <crutchy> maybe a custom SN crypto-irc client
[14:39:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> like bitcoin addresses, gotcha
[14:39:55] <MrBluze> especially u might share some with very trusted people
[14:40:02] <MrBluze> or share some in person, not over the internet
[14:40:12] <MrBluze> give them a higher value .. dont share-on etc
[14:40:15] <crutchy> maybe could make a plugin for xchat
[14:40:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you'd be able to tell which path it came in via
[14:40:42] <MrBluze> well u could do that
[14:40:56] <MrBluze> but would u want to know?
[14:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> your client would
[14:41:47] <crutchy> MrBluze: would it matter if someone you shared your key with pass it on to others?
[14:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you should be getting a message via card 1 but it comes via card 6, sumpin's fookered
[14:41:54] <MrBluze> ... so A-Z might know that their shared key was A-B-F-G-[K]-L-N-P-Z
[14:41:55] <crutchy> i'm guessing not
[14:42:10] <mattie_p> morning folks
[14:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[14:42:18] <MrBluze> hi mattie_p
[14:42:19] <mattie_p> happy mother's day for those of you with mothers
[14:42:19] <crutchy> g'day mattie_p
[14:42:30] <MrBluze> crutchy: private key /public key pair is not something u share
[14:42:35] <MrBluze> this is a secondary system
[14:43:10] <MrBluze> u use it to ensure that a MITM can't spoof a public key unless they by luck have the human shared keys in the second network that match yours and the recipient's
[14:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd say make it separate programs then
[14:43:42] <MrBluze> .. well this is a kind of slow P2P
[14:43:44] <crutchy> there's a good chance that could be the case though
[14:44:04] <crutchy> circle of trusts would generally have common key sets
[14:44:14] <MrBluze> crutchy .. i probably know you by more than 1 pathway, usualy by up to 6 degrees
[14:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, gonna load up my fish catching kit and go be as unproductive as humanly possible.
[14:44:33] <MrBluze> lol TheMightyBuzzard good luck :)
[14:44:48] <crutchy> but in a workplace for example, a mitm could be fairly confident that one employee had the public keys for all other employees
[14:44:50] <crutchy> (say)
[14:44:51] <ciri> How does your chocobo battle pet work, my friend.
[14:45:10] <crutchy> it works very well, if your chocobo is delicuous
[14:45:13] <MrBluze> crutchy: yes, but if you are in a workplace, you can catch up with the guy, share a secret, and u are set
[14:45:27] <MrBluze> set that secret to no-share and it's your pre-shared key
[14:45:59] <crutchy> how does that secret get translated to electronica?
[14:46:07] <MrBluze> its just a 1kb file
[14:46:16] <crutchy> i might pass it on in person, but he's going to add it to his pyewta
[14:46:18] <MrBluze> third thing i will also do is allow sharing of one-time-pad
[14:46:31] <MrBluze> yeah
[14:47:04] <MrBluze> but yes, in a workplace u are gonna end up with probs
[14:47:05] <crutchy> sorry just playing devil's advocate
[14:47:12] <MrBluze> in a closed community
[14:47:14] <crutchy> you already sold me pretty much :-)
[14:47:30] <MrBluze> but if u want to contact mr.bobovich on the other side fo the planet
[14:48:00] <crutchy> what about for SN?
[14:48:03] <MrBluze> u can use public key crypto.. but need to strengthen it ... so there's STS which requires live chat, or ..
[14:48:21] <MrBluze> well, look at the friend network of SN
[14:48:34] <crutchy> its all over the place
[14:48:36] <MrBluze> yeah sure, everyone is friends with NC .. so NC's card is everywhere
[14:48:46] <crutchy> true
[14:48:51] <MrBluze> but user number 2032 card is not .. whoever that is
[14:48:55] <crutchy> lol
[14:49:01] <MrBluze> and i might have a different set of cards to you, crutchy
[14:49:18] <MrBluze> and u and I share a different common set than u share with TheMightyBuzzard
[14:49:33] <crutchy> would i be able to assume that those you communicate with regularly would have similar cards?
[14:49:46] <MrBluze> for me to intercept the chat between u and TheMightyBuzzard i have to find the card from .. someone i dont even know
[14:49:46] <crutchy> not entirely, but a common subset
[14:50:01] <crutchy> kinda getting into probabilities now
[14:50:08] <MrBluze> and i have to have had it in a timely manner .. so i can do a MITM
[14:50:18] <MrBluze> cause MITM u gotta get in there in time, before they can share more secrets.. otherwise u are too late
[14:51:11] <crutchy> what about if you figured i was chatting with TheMightyBuzzard, and you had both our keys (cos we both chat with you too)?
[14:51:13] <MrBluze> when u send your message to TheMightyBuzzard, u declare publically what hashes u are using .. TheMightyBuzzard will have the corresponding keys
[14:51:18] <crutchy> could you apply those keys?
[14:51:27] <MrBluze> yeah I could
[14:51:41] <MrBluze> i mean.. if i had your entire key set, and TheMightyBuzzard's
[14:52:05] <MrBluze> hmmm ..
[14:52:07] <crutchy> so as long as i use enough of my keyset
[14:52:25] <crutchy> not just say TheMightyBuzzard, you and xlefay's keys, which you are gunna have all of
[14:53:18] <MrBluze> mm.. it gets interesting
[14:53:24] <crutchy> could i make up a bunch of bs keys and pass them to TheMightyBuzzard partially by email, partially by pm etc
[14:53:32] <MrBluze> aha! ..
[14:53:53] <MrBluze> what if each time u share your key, u issue a new one..
[14:53:53] <ciri> I like time trial stuff, i'm working on upping my game.
[14:54:11] <MrBluze> well bs keys are still keys
[14:54:12] <crutchy> try upping your breast size ciri
[14:54:24] <MrBluze> they are hard to guess if u only have a hash of them
[14:55:01] <crutchy> i guess if they're bs though, a mitm will have no idea if he has them
[14:55:13] <crutchy> or where they come from
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[14:55:20] <crutchy> hi michealpwalls
[14:55:26] <MrBluze> yeah
[14:55:40] <MrBluze> .. i mean it IS easier if u "trust" a certifying authority
[14:55:41] <michealpwalls> Hi!
[14:55:44] <MrBluze> hi michealpwalls
[14:55:46] <michealpwalls> How are things? :)
[14:55:58] <michealpwalls> Pfft, trust is for eskimos!
[14:55:58] <michealpwalls> :)
[14:56:02] <MrBluze> but a certifying authority should be able to be any person u meet
[14:56:04] <crutchy> ciri is upping her game
[14:56:10] <crutchy> lol *her*
[14:56:59] <crutchy> we need to make a WoW type game where we all walk around with our bots fighting and stuff
[14:57:25] <crutchy> and poking each other in the eye
[14:58:12] <MrBluze> gotta improve this idea
[14:58:38] <crutchy> sounds like a ticking timebomb MrBluze... ready to explode onto the world of secure communication
[14:58:54] <crutchy> i'm a bit lost, but i get lost in my own house
[14:59:11] <michealpwalls> hehe
[14:59:23] <crutchy> i wanna make it work for SN IRC though
[14:59:30] <crutchy> just to work the kinks
[14:59:34] <michealpwalls> cryptography is crazy complicated :O
[14:59:50] <michealpwalls> It's like physics at this point. Mostly the people who claim to understand modern encryption really have no idea haha
[14:59:55] <crutchy> wouldn't be as interesting if it were simple
[15:00:01] <michealpwalls> True ^
[15:00:04] <michealpwalls> Or as strong haha
[15:00:06] <MrBluze> i dont fully understand it
[15:00:11] <MrBluze> but i do undestand MITM
[15:00:28] <michealpwalls> It's mainly based on complexity, right.. The higher the complexity the longer it takes to compute and the time to compute is what defends you
[15:00:38] <crutchy> i think so
[15:00:50] <michealpwalls> For example, a bomber flying from start to target is 10 hours, the time to decrypt it's command is measured in days..
[15:00:52] <michealpwalls> it's protected hehe
[15:00:54] <crutchy> but your going up against some bad ass opponents
[15:00:57] <crutchy> NSA
[15:00:59] <michealpwalls> Yea, that's so true ^
[15:01:08] <michealpwalls> That's why it's like, impossible IMHO. I dont' even *try* anymore hehehe
[15:01:14] <crutchy> and gpu clusters with hundreds of nodes
[15:01:23] <michealpwalls> The kind of tactics/strategies the NSA uses make it impossible for regular people like us to do *anything* :/
[15:01:27] <michealpwalls> We're totaly powerless hehe
[15:01:28] <ciri> Demon faced twinkies if you look close enough.
[15:01:35] <crutchy> the bitcoin mining industry has made it even harder for crypto
[15:01:40] <MrBluze> ... its not maths that make it secure
[15:01:51] <michealpwalls> bitcoiners drive me crazy... What a bunch of doorknobs (No offense to any miners here...)
[15:01:52] <MrBluze> i mean the maths is good
[15:01:57] <crutchy> lol
[15:01:58] <michealpwalls> But jesus what a waste of human potential right there :/
[15:02:01] <crutchy> doorknob
[15:02:09] * crutchy adds to his insult db
[15:02:20] <MrBluze> ... the thing to make it secure is sharing the secret by paths that can't both be easily spoofed at the same time
[15:02:33] <crutchy> it is pushing that aspect of tech up though
[15:02:38] <crutchy> ps i'm not a miner
[15:02:38] <exec> F UID PID PPID PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TTY TIME COMMAND
[15:02:38] <exec> 0 5000 3525 3519 20 0 20668 3436 - Ss pts/0 0:00 bash
[15:02:38] <exec> 0 5000 9232 3525 20 0 108696 9784 - S+ pts/0 10:47 \_ php irc.php
[15:02:38] <exec> 0 5000 6752 9232 20 0 4180 580 - S+ pts/0 0:00 \_ sh -c ps fl
[15:02:38] <exec> 0 5000 6754 6752 20 0 8420 840 - R+ pts/0 0:00 | \_ ps fl
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[15:02:43] <michealpwalls> That power could be used to change things.. Like real change you know!? But instead it's quite literally wasted. It's turned into a net LOSS when you factor in the money spent and the electricity consumed..
[15:02:46] <crutchy> lmao
[15:02:48] <michealpwalls> Unbelievable waste of human potential :/
[15:02:53] <crutchy> stfu exec
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[15:03:34] <michealpwalls> We could map genomes.. fold proteins in every imagineable ways...Find cures for genetic diseases...
[15:03:46] <crutchy> could
[15:03:47] <michealpwalls> The compute power of bitcoin absolutely fucking *dwarfs* the compute power of medical research...
[15:03:50] <michealpwalls> By MASSIVE factors...
[15:04:04] <crutchy> but until miners came along, the financial incentive to develop tech wasn't as high
[15:04:12] <michealpwalls> That's it in a nutshell ^
[15:04:15] <michealpwalls> Disgusting!
[15:04:16] <michealpwalls> LOL
[15:04:21] <MrBluze> .. say someone sent the first half of a message on a server, and sent the second half of a message by email
[15:04:43] <MrBluze> like, two halves of a jpeg
[15:04:46] <michealpwalls> The development is an interesting view, crutchy...
[15:04:59] <michealpwalls> The momentum it created in ASIC development, I mean
[15:05:19] <crutchy> bitcoin soc is crazy awesome
[15:05:21] <michealpwalls> MrBluze: Like out-of-band authentication, basically?
[15:05:34] <MrBluze> yeah i guess
[15:05:52] <michealpwalls> MrBluze: I like the idea.. But hate the idea of sending random company x my phone number :(
[15:05:54] <michealpwalls> hehehe
[15:06:03] <crutchy> so we can send encrypted cat pics?
[15:06:04] <MrBluze> no, not by phone
[15:06:11] <michealpwalls> Everytime I sign-into YouTube it nags for my fucking phone number... Ugh :(
[15:06:15] <MrBluze> nah not a jpeg. it will have to be a public/private key pair
[15:06:16] <michealpwalls> LOL crutchy Finally!
[15:06:41] <michealpwalls> MrBluze: I read breifly about embedding data in images. It's really easy and there's a lot of potential storage in images
[15:06:48] <michealpwalls> That you can use, without making the image visually distorted..
[15:06:53] <michealpwalls> So it's essentially hidden in the image files
[15:06:54] <ciri> You're essentially describing dhcp.
[15:06:59] <crutchy> MrBluze: if you market the s.ex protocol for encrypting cat pics you are gunna be a millionaire
[15:07:08] <MrBluze> lmao
[15:07:18] <MrBluze> ill buy u a mcdonalds lunch if i do
[15:07:23] <michealpwalls> lol
[15:07:31] <MrBluze> promise
[15:07:34] <michealpwalls> "I've become a millionaire, guys. Here are your cheeseburgers."
[15:07:37] <michealpwalls> LMAO!
[15:07:51] <crutchy> frozen coke for me
[15:07:58] <MrBluze> ;)
[15:08:08] <MrBluze> ok .. i better go to bed and think about this as i fall asleep
[15:08:12] <MrBluze> see u all later
[15:08:16] <michealpwalls> hehe, take care MrBluze :)
[15:08:18] <crutchy> night mrbluze
[15:08:42] <michealpwalls> Great discussion I have had with somebody on SN about Oracle/Google! Surprisingly good :)
[15:08:48] <crutchy> if you want i'll offer some code monkey support, as long as my clunky code isn't too much of a poutoff
[15:09:00] <crutchy> lol poutoff
[15:09:05] <MrBluze> poutoff indeed
[15:09:06] <michealpwalls> Is okay crutchy, I love your clunky code :)
[15:09:12] <michealpwalls> wile(0)
[15:09:14] <MrBluze> my code is clunky
[15:09:20] <MrBluze> i dun care as long as it compiles
[15:09:27] <michealpwalls> That was my math professor
[15:09:30] <MrBluze> and the inputs are checked
[15:09:35] <michealpwalls> His sole criteria: Does it work?
[15:09:36] <michealpwalls> LOL
[15:09:38] <crutchy> haha yeah i mostly cross my finglers when i run stuff
[15:09:42] <michealpwalls> He's an Apple fan hehe (Great guy!)
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[15:22:25] <crutchy> g'day n1|away
[15:25:56] <michealpwalls> Hi n1 :)
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[15:32:21] <n1> hi guys
[15:33:02] <michealpwalls> ... But can we finally put frickin' lasers on Sharks?
[15:33:06] <michealpwalls> :)
[15:33:39] <mattie_p> don't see why not. we have waterproof lasers
[15:34:43] <michealpwalls> Ugh... The more I read about these Java disputes, the more I support Oracle. It's as if most people fail to see the forest from the trees. Java *is* "Write Once, Run Everywhere".. If you take that away, you're left with nothing :/
[15:35:05] <michealpwalls> Another shitty language that only works on *some* platforms, *sometimes*..
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[15:36:39] <crutchy> java is "write once, run away!"
[15:36:53] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[15:37:12] <mrcoolbp> top of the mornin' to ya
[15:37:23] <michealpwalls> haha crutchy
[15:37:25] <michealpwalls> perhaps!
[15:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> michealpwalls, it's got nothing to do with java, it's entirely to do with you being able to write an api that can run java code if you damned well feel like it.
[15:41:15] <ciri> I feel like whenever i answer the door problem?
[15:41:49] <michealpwalls> TheMightyBuzzard: How does *that* not have anything to do with java, though? Java isn't yours..
[15:41:49] <crutchy> i'm the creep on the other side waiting to jump you ciri
[15:41:58] <michealpwalls> In a ideal, make-believe world it would be fantastic if Java was free and not owned by anybody. Instead, though, we live in Reality. Many engineers at Sun Microsystems worked many years on Java and were paid many millions of dollars to do so. Oracle paid billions for Sun and ackquired Java in the process. We can't just ignore that..
[15:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you're not touching java, you're emulating it
[15:42:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> with entirely different code except for the api call names
[15:42:33] <crutchy> i wouldn't touch java with my ten foot pole
[15:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what they're fighting over, the right to use the same call names as java. just the names.
[15:43:09] <crutchy> people complain about php's security flaws
[15:43:16] <michealpwalls> You're still using the Java language and calling a clone of the API. That API encompasses over 6 *thousand* different methods organized in a very logical, easy-to-find way...
[15:43:25] <michealpwalls> *that* work in and of itself is worth money, in my opinion...
[15:43:27] <crutchy> atleast php's problems are derived from programmer laziness
[15:43:43] <michealpwalls> Engineers sat and planned that API... So that the 6 thousand + methods didn't become a wall of confusion, a barrier to programmers...
[15:43:50] <michealpwalls> Instead it's a well organized toolbox..
[15:43:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> michealpwalls, it's functional rather than creative though
[15:44:03] <michealpwalls> Well, that may be true..
[15:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you can not copyright functional
[15:44:10] <crutchy> i do like functional
[15:44:20] <michealpwalls> But I think you're side-stepping the massive 10,000lbs gorrilla in the room... The Java *language*
[15:44:41] <michealpwalls> You do not own, and are not entitled to the language. The API facilitates the language, functionally...
[15:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> what about it? you want to lock it down so you can't write code in java without a license?
[15:44:50] <crutchy> that;s only about 4 tonne
[15:45:01] <crutchy> though a fairly hefty gorilla
[15:45:07] <michealpwalls> haha crutchy
[15:45:28] <michealpwalls> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't *want* to, but that's the reality though and I don't think it's fair to ignore that. Oracle owns Java, it is *their* language :/
[15:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> except it's not
[15:45:42] <michealpwalls> Just like, Twitter owns *their* twitter protocol and Microsoft owns Skype.
[15:45:46] <michealpwalls> We can't just ignore those facts...
[15:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone can write in any language and nobody can say a damn thing about it.
[15:46:23] <michealpwalls> We can't just willy-nilly write a Skype client and chat with the official Skype client. That's still copyright infringement even if we did *all* the work froms scratch
[15:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody can own the ability to write in a language
[15:46:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes we can
[15:46:38] <crutchy> same as why mono is like poison in the linux community
[15:46:40] <michealpwalls> TheMightyBuzzard: Well yes, anybody can *write*.. However not anybody can *implement* said language on their mobile device....
[15:46:44] <michealpwalls> Without paying money to Oracle :)
[15:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you're not writing the same code as the existing skype client you are 100% legal
[15:46:58] <crutchy> microsoft *promises* not to sue anyone that uses mono
[15:47:08] <michealpwalls> ^ Fuck .NET
[15:47:26] <crutchy> right in asp
[15:47:28] <michealpwalls> .NET is *not* Write Once, Run Everywhere. Not even close. In fact .NET is a prime example of why Java is awesome :)
[15:47:38] <michealpwalls> hehe
[15:47:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> java is not awesome, it's just occasionally the least horrible option
[15:48:03] <michealpwalls> You write in Microsoft .NET, you are stuck in Microsoft's .NET. You write in MONODevelop, you are stuck in MONO. There is no cross-over.. There is no cross-platform at all.
[15:48:04] <ciri> Crutchy: yes, i understand, i'm stuck with green, black is white.
[15:48:15] <crutchy> i don't like the idea of relying on browser plugins
[15:48:24] <michealpwalls> LOL TheMightyBuzzard I used to share that opinion :)
[15:48:31] <crutchy> but i guess php et al don't even have browser plugins
[15:48:46] <crutchy> so java is one up
[15:49:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, just having a break after loading up the car with poles n tackle boxes
[15:49:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
[15:49:12] <michealpwalls> Take care!
[15:49:19] <michealpwalls> Fishing trip?
[15:49:24] <crutchy> ciri... your puke might be green, and black is white, unless it's orange in which case your banana is apple
[15:49:32] <michealpwalls> It has been *so long* since I've had a good fishing trip!
[15:50:59] <crutchy> time for me to push and then fuck off
[15:51:05] <michealpwalls> I always figured MONO as a detour.. Like a waste of open source developer time :/
[15:51:13] <crutchy> same as silverlight
[15:51:18] <michealpwalls> ^
[15:51:24] <michealpwalls> Omg silverlight is hidious
[15:51:34] <crutchy> i think its dead, no?
[15:51:38] <michealpwalls> What a fucking disease that was. Thankfully it's nearly died up by now
[15:51:44] <michealpwalls> Mostly, yea (Thank god..)
[15:52:06] <michealpwalls> Next we need Flash to die out... LOL
[15:52:10] <michealpwalls> Then the web will be a much cleaner place :)
[15:52:58] <michealpwalls> Here's a funny thought experiment... What if Netscape never made JavaScript? What if Netscape used Perl instead? :)
[15:53:08] <michealpwalls> hehehe!
[15:53:39] <crutchy> we would be using microsoft perl
[15:54:00] <crutchy> in quirks mode
[15:55:04] <michealpwalls> haha
[15:55:08] <michealpwalls> Oh man, touche...
[15:55:13] <michealpwalls> Bad thoughts, bad thoughts! :(
[15:55:28] <michealpwalls> With MS Regular Expressions :O
[16:02:11] <michealpwalls> Anyone familiar with Vagrant?
[16:18:16] <crutchy> kinda sounds like fragrant viagra
[16:18:38] <crutchy> i'm gunna hit the sack... cyas tomorrow
[16:18:42] <crutchy> err
[16:18:44] <crutchy> later today
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[16:19:00] <crutchy> 12.15am here
[16:19:11] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
[16:19:18] <crutchy> catch up tomorrow eh
[16:19:23] <Subsentient> hi chromas
[16:19:23] <crutchy> nighty night
[16:19:24] <michealpwalls> Take care
[16:19:25] <Subsentient> crutchy:
[16:19:30] <Subsentient> tk crutchy
[16:19:31] <ciri> Arti xlefay chromas crutchy bacon coffee kobach mattie_p ncommander bytram mrcoolbp paulej72 barrabas zford auto_def khyber hax0rz.
[16:19:50] <paulej72> ciri is crazy
[16:19:50] <crutchy> night ciri... you dopey smart arse
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[16:26:18] <mattie_p> who is programming ciri?
[16:27:09] <mattie_p> and why does ciri keep spouting random names, including people who are no longer here?
[16:27:18] <michealpwalls> lol
[16:27:23] <michealpwalls> It's artificial intelligence.
[16:27:24] <michealpwalls> :)
[16:29:52] <mattie_p> more like artificial stupidity, seems like we have plenty of that
[16:30:49] <michealpwalls> Indeed
[16:31:01] <michealpwalls> It's quite *literally* Artificial :D
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[17:11:57] <mrcoolbp> Hi FunPika, long time no see
[17:12:08] <FunPika> hi
[17:12:34] <mrcoolbp> I kinda gutted the wiki a bit yesterday
[17:14:51] <mrcoolbp> how have you been?
[17:15:00] <FunPika> good
[17:19:25] <mrcoolbp> cool
[17:19:29] * mrcoolbp get's ready for work
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[17:34:46] <juggler> michaelpballs
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[17:39:25] <michealpwalls> lol
[18:06:24] * n1 yawn
[18:27:47] <chromas> Subsentient: Did you have fun reading aqu4's highlights?
[18:30:03] <chromas> $sr
[18:30:48] <chromas> $sr /guan/gun/s
[18:30:49] <aqu4> s/nug/naug/
[18:30:49] <SedBot> <aqu4>
[18:31:21] <chromas> $sr
[18:31:22] * aqu4 was a nughty, bacon-eating goyl
[18:31:24] <chromas> $sr /guan/gun/s
[18:31:24] <aqu4> s/nug/naug/
[18:31:25] <SedBot> <aqu4> was a naughty, bacon-eating goyl
[18:31:39] <chromas> So SedBot only checks for capital actions
[18:33:04] <chromas> $sr
[18:33:04] <chromas> yadot tsafkaerb rof zllab nocab gnitae si
[18:33:04] <chromas> noitca
[18:33:04] <chromas> 
[18:33:04] <aqu4> is eating bacon ballz for breakfast today
[18:33:04] <aqu4> 
[18:33:55] <chromas> $sr
[18:33:55] * aqu4 derp
[18:38:07] <Subsentient> chromas: Haven't seen that yet
[18:38:56] <chromas> $sr
[18:38:56] * aqu4 was being possessed by hardcore baconography
[18:39:15] <Subsentient> lol
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[18:39:54] <chromas> That was a long break
[18:40:05] <Subsentient1> Running on SubLinux2 beta4 now
[18:40:15] <chromas> ooh
[18:40:40] <chromas> Does it have a package manager?
[18:40:46] <Subsentient1> No
[18:40:47] <ciri> Ah yes, my friend was like "actually, yes they both have hardons (wanks?) for biscuits.
[18:40:50] Subsentient1 is now known as Subsentient
[18:40:55] <chromas> Or so I sudo make install it myself?
[18:41:00] <Subsentient> Yeah
[18:41:09] <Subsentient> But it has Epoch :^)
[18:41:15] <Subsentient> And it has XFCE 4.10/4.11 mix
[18:41:29] <chromas> A mix huh
[18:41:33] <Subsentient> only piece still 4.10 is xfdesktop because 4.11 is unstable
[18:41:35] <chromas> Best of two versions?
[18:41:37] <chromas> ah
[18:43:14] <Subsentient> chromas: You got teamviewer? I can show you around
[18:43:25] <chromas> Not anymore
[18:43:33] <Subsentient> chromas: http://teamviewer.com
[18:43:48] <chromas> I switched to Mint and now I'm switching to Arch
[18:44:00] <Subsentient> chromas: Wanna see or not, lol
[18:44:17] <FoobarBazbot> arch++
[18:44:17] <deadpeas> karma - arch: 1
[18:44:20] <Subsentient> arch--
[18:44:20] <deadpeas> karma - arch: 0
[18:44:24] <Subsentient> sublinux+
[18:44:26] <Subsentient> sublinux++
[18:44:26] <deadpeas> karma - sublinux: 1
[18:45:12] <chromas> oh now I have to get the .deb
[18:45:20] <chromas> You know, since Mint, I can't run virtualbox
[18:45:25] <Subsentient> lol just download the tarball and execute the teamviewer script
[18:45:32] <Subsentient> SubLinux doesn;t support deb or rpm
[18:46:01] <chromas> Oh yeah? Well I'll just install libzypp on it...
[18:46:31] <chromas> DLing
[18:47:11] <chromas> But if ubuntu-based distros weren't buttpipes I could try the VM
[18:47:46] * chromas blames the tools instead of his own incompetence
[18:47:49] <Subsentient> heh yeah I am connected via teamviewer to the sublinux install so it works ok at least
[18:48:43] <chromas> Tells me the kernel driver is not installed when it clearly is
[18:49:02] <Subsentient> heh
[18:49:06] <Subsentient> Been there
[18:49:21] <Subsentient> Ofc it's gonna be a bitch to get SubLinux to do it right
[18:49:39] <Subsentient> qemu I can build, but the kernel source is elsewhere
[18:49:52] <Subsentient> In a giant 4GB squashfs image for the distro source
[18:49:53] <chromas> Oh and apparently wine won't boot; wtfbbqbacon
[18:50:00] <Subsentient> ?
[18:50:08] <chromas> can't start teamviewer because wine
[18:50:14] <Subsentient> dafuq
[18:50:43] <Subsentient> yeah your distro appears to suck ass, as goes my official medical diagnosis.
[18:50:46] <chromas> "Could not load the GNU/Linux extension shareed library tvwine.dll.so"
[18:50:56] <Subsentient> chromas: Download the tarball man
[18:50:57] <ciri> Take care man, i usually get one good laugh on there a day complimentary download offer.
[18:51:03] <chromas> I did
[18:51:08] <chromas> Still a windows app
[18:51:39] <Subsentient> hmm. I'm on x86-32, and SubLinux is i586 built, so, yeah teamviewer works here
[18:52:43] <chromas> Well mint can suck my ballz
[18:52:54] <chromas> I should make my own distro too
[18:53:16] <chromas> Evedy-body make-a der own-a deestro!
[18:54:41] <chromas> Subsentient: Your submission got 26 comments so far
[18:55:00] <chromas> That's more than most of the articles
[18:55:00] <Subsentient> chromas: ah
[18:55:04] <Subsentient> good
[18:55:06] <Subsentient> :^)
[18:55:14] <chromas> 8^)
[18:55:19] <Subsentient> I always just submit ask SN articles because I enjoy the replies
[18:56:44] <n1> it's always quiet on the weekend, so an "ask sn" article will help things a bit
[18:57:14] <n1> ive concluded the 'raw news' leaves little room for discussion currently, possibly due to the size of the community
[18:57:52] * chromas asks: I heard the vote is still going on. I thought it died. Why won't it die?
[18:58:12] <Subsentient> $chanctl op Subsentient
[18:58:12] <aqu4> Ok.
[18:58:13] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Subsentient] by aqu4
[18:58:20] <Subsentient> $chanctl deop aqu4
[18:58:20] <aqu4> Ok.
[18:58:21] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o aqu4] by aqu4
[18:58:25] <Subsentient> $part
[18:58:25] <aqu4> Ok. Assuming you mean this channel.
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[18:58:36] <Subsentient> damn, it's not permanent
[18:58:39] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o aqu4] by Subsentient
[18:58:46] <Subsentient> $chanctl deop Subsentient
[18:58:46] <aqu4> Ok.
[18:58:47] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Subsentient] by aqu4
[18:58:58] <chromas> Did you try making her op herself?
[18:59:02] <Subsentient> No.
[18:59:06] <n1> chromas, the name vote is currently in staff vote phase, i believe there will be another community vote very soon.
[18:59:08] <Subsentient> .op
[18:59:14] <Subsentient> -juggler- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[18:59:15] <chromas> That's what I mean
[18:59:42] <chromas> Still going after three months
[18:59:56] <n1> personally I hope it's worth it, to the extent we change from where we are.
[19:00:09] * Subsentient notices he included a version of epoch that's too old in the new beta
[19:00:24] * Subsentient tried to build a testing release for git/master
[19:00:36] <n1> i know, i'm not a huge fan of how long it's been taking.
[19:00:52] <chromas> $sr
[19:01:23] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Legal Pot Moves Farmers to Heroin - http://sylnt.us - Don't-get-high-off-your-own-supply-and-demand.
[19:01:43] <chromas> Heroin should be legal too
[19:01:59] <chromas> If we can have heros, it's sexist to not have heroines, too
[19:02:23] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:02:38] * Subsentient chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:02:49] * Subsentient chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:02:49] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:02:50] * Subsentient chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:02:51] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:03:01] <chromas> $sr
[19:03:19] <n1> opiates are legal, and we don't mind people being addicted to opiates if their legally obtained.
[19:03:25] <n1> they're*
[19:03:31] <Subsentient> $blacklist set *!chromas@0::1
[19:03:31] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[19:03:32] <ciri> Wow that was being worked on in a datacenter.
[19:03:52] * Subsentient chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[19:04:01] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
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[19:04:33] <Subsentient> $blacklist set *!chromas@*
[19:04:33] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[19:04:46] <Subsentient> $blacklist set *!*@47-85-184-52.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com
[19:04:46] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[19:05:06] <monopoly> aqu4: s/(.)/ sucks balls /g
[19:05:07] <SedBot> <monopoly> <aqu4> sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls sucks balls
[19:05:24] <monopoly> That was inappropriate for this channel, aqu4
[19:05:40] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick monopoly
[19:05:40] <aqu4> Ok.
[19:05:41] -!- monopoly was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [monopoly]
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[19:05:56] <monopoly> ABUSE ABUSE
[19:05:59] <Subsentient> $chanctl ban monopoly
[19:05:59] <aqu4> Ok.
[19:06:00] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b monopoly!*@*] by aqu4
[19:06:01] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick monopoly
[19:06:02] <aqu4> Ok.
[19:06:02] -!- monopoly was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [monopoly]
[19:06:09] <Subsentient> chromas: enuff
[19:06:14] <Subsentient> ;^)
[19:06:14] <chromas> ABUSE ABUSE
[19:06:30] <chromas> Burritos in charge!
[19:07:05] <chromas> $hangman
[19:07:11] <chromas> $pacheesi
[19:07:11] * aqu4 looks down at chromas with a long, judgemental, ponderous look
[19:07:17] <chromas> $list games
[19:07:39] <chromas> $horsemagnet
[19:07:44] <chromas> $guessinggame
[19:07:51] <chromas> $commands
[19:08:00] <chromas> $fart
[19:08:08] <chromas> Wow these are all there
[19:08:16] <Subsentient> chromas: The code responsible works by checking your mask and the blacklist dictionary before doing so much as logging your speech
[19:08:25] <chromas> Subsentient can't see them though because hunter2
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[19:10:45] <aqua> $sr
[19:10:47] <aqua> $sr
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[19:11:07] <aqu4> chromas: I'm not listening.
[19:11:24] <chromas> aqu4 is ghey and eats burritos
[19:11:31] <chromas> rotten burritos
[19:11:45] <chromas> _NSAKEY is listening
[19:12:11] <aqu4> chromas: My banhammer is itching.
[19:12:44] <Subsentient> chromas: But seriously this kind of stuff is what #derp is for
[19:13:05] <Subsentient> We all kinda really flooded this channel
[19:13:23] <chromas> That's because there's so much conversation going on
[19:13:54] * chromas notes that 50% of the text is aqu4's
[19:14:08] <Subsentient> I'm sure mr. commander will be interested in seeing the new ban in the list
[19:14:10] <Subsentient> lol
[19:14:30] <chromas> He'll say " 'bout time"
[19:14:31] <ciri> A short time to judge by, but i like time trial stuff, really.
[19:16:28] <Subsentient> chromas: I sould be doing something useful lol
[19:17:03] <chromas> You should have thought about that before I abused aqu4
[19:17:33] <chromas> Actually, you should just detect \0x01 and rejoin wiht a burrito
[19:17:59] <chromas> Then we can't put words in aqu4's mouth
[19:18:10] <chromas> Not that there's room with all the other things in there
[19:18:49] * chromas is installing Arch now
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[19:30:41] <chromas> Subsentient: updating sublinux to recent epoch?
[19:31:16] <Subsentient> chromas: honestly just trying to figure out why none of my shells outside the gui have job control
[19:31:45] <chromas> Ah, rats
[19:34:41] <Subsentient> yeah
[19:35:04] <Subsentient> I think the only getty that works right is the *shudder* systemd/fedora one
[19:37:48] <chromas> Lol. Needs burrito
[19:38:36] <Subsentient> wait, it's from util-linux too
[19:38:38] <Subsentient> so good I think
[19:38:50] <Subsentient> building update util-linux to see if that fixes it
[19:38:50] <chromas> So it's your desktop system, then; not sublinux
[19:39:03] <Subsentient> I am using sublinux on this machine
[19:39:14] <Subsentient> I have a monster machine I actually compile sublinux with via chroot
[19:39:21] <Subsentient> That machine runs fedora
[19:39:43] <chromas> I c++
[19:40:55] <Subsentient> ?
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[19:42:37] <Subsentient> Preparing to reboot this machine once compile finishes
[19:45:18] <Subsentient> lol I forgot how slow this netbook compiles
[19:46:29] <chromas> And how fast the battery will drain, now
[19:47:48] <Subsentient> It's on AC
[19:49:02] <Subsentient> thank god
[19:49:05] <Subsentient> chromas: it fixed it
[19:49:30] <chromas> Nice
[19:50:32] * Subsentient enters the chroot environment to build the new util-linux for the release version
[19:52:53] * Subsentient prepares Epoch 1.1
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[19:54:09] * Subsentient goes all biblical with 'it is finished'
[19:55:41] * Subsentient needs to make one more git/master distro for people to test before he releases Epoch 1.1
[19:55:53] <chromas> That means the sin comes next
[19:55:56] <Subsentient> chromas: If I can get it uploaded at a decent speed, will you try the SubLinux beta?
[19:56:16] <Subsentient> I need testers, especially with Epoch
[19:56:38] <chromas> Not anymore. The creator put my head in the dirt and made me eat rotten burritos
[19:56:56] <chromas> But yeah I'll try it once I get arch up
[19:57:11] <Subsentient> heh
[19:57:20] <Subsentient> Well first I must *produce* said beta.
[20:03:12] <FoobarBazbot> Subsentient: s/eta/urritos/
[20:03:12] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> <Subsentient> Well first I must *produce* said burritos.
[20:05:15] <chromas> SedBot: s/produce/abuse/
[20:05:15] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> <Subsentient> Well first I must *abuse* said burritos.
[20:17:23] * Subsentient abuses chromas with a burrito
[20:21:12] <chromas> That's called domestic abuse and it's not funny. Every year, over 9,000 men are abused by burritos. Only five of them are reported
[20:24:06] <Subsentient> lollll
[20:25:55] <Subsentient> chromas: Building the new root fs squashfs.
[20:26:20] * chromas now understands where aqu4's nasty rotten burritos come from and why Subsentient is so eager to.pass them out
[20:28:06] <ciri> Abuses chromas with a couple of part on the lookout for new musics.
[20:28:40] <chromas> That took awhile
[20:29:08] <chromas> You're becoming more lile your father, ciri
[20:35:53] <Subsentient> chromas: What's ciri written in?
[20:36:46] <chromas> I don't recall. It's a stock bot like eggdrop or something combined with a chatter ai thing
[20:38:04] <chromas> Can't search log from phone.
[20:38:21] <chromas> Oh but you can look in aqu4's burrito file
[20:40:58] <Subsentient> chromas: I wonder how easy it would be to benchmark our bots
[20:41:03] <Subsentient> I bet aqu4 will win :^)
[20:41:12] <Subsentient> Response time :^3
[20:41:16] <Subsentient> $time MST
[20:41:16] <aqu4> Sun 2014-05-11 11:41:15 AM MST
[20:41:42] <Subsentient> $tell chromas aqu4's fast
[20:41:42] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[20:42:17] <chromas> I think ciri got a delay to make it seem less bot-like
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[20:55:36] <Subsentient> chromas: So does aqu4, 0.8 seconds
[20:55:44] <Subsentient> she still shoots your bot to hell lol
[20:56:00] <chromas> Not my bot
[20:57:04] <chromas> Plus .08 seconds isn't enough to convince of humanity
[20:58:20] <chromas> S/.08/anything under 3 seconds/
[20:59:50] * FoobarBazbot_ notices chromas's initial caps
[21:00:09] <FoobarBazbot_> looks like an overly-helpful onscreen keyboard?
[21:00:17] <chromas> aye, sir
[21:01:10] <chromas> fixed
[21:01:26] <chromas> as in spayed, like aqu4
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[22:15:13] <FoobarBazbot_> my tablet is now compiling its kernel
[22:15:23] <FoobarBazbot_> should keep it busy for a little while
[22:15:47] * FoobarBazbot_ crosses fingers, hopes it will work right
[22:16:40] <FoobarBazbot_> It's incredibly hard to find anything on the net about native (i.e. non-cross-) compiling Android stuff.
[22:17:25] <FoobarBazbot_> So I basically just did it as I have done for x86, and hope for the best...
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[22:23:51] <chromas> conpiling for android or replacing with different distro?
[22:50:16] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Why You Should Not Use GIFs to Communicate Science - http://sylnt.us - learning-can-only-be-done-by-transcribing-lectures-verbatim
[22:58:18] <FoobarBazbot_> compiling an android kernel using debian
[22:59:24] <FoobarBazbot_> I have debian and android sharing a common root with sven-ola's debian kit
[23:07:39] <chromas> Neat. Is that on am arm device?
[23:08:12] <FoobarBazbot> Yeah, asus tf700t
[23:08:40] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
[23:09:14] <FoobarBazbot> It's a quadcore tablet with a keyboard dock that basically makes it the arm netbook I always wanted.
[23:10:30] <chromas> Cool
[23:13:18] <FoobarBazbot> what I wanna do is have the tablet run as a PAN gateway to wifi
[23:14:09] <FoobarBazbot> That way my motoactv android watch can tether via Bluetooth instead using battery-mirdering wifi
[23:15:02] <FoobarBazbot> so I need to build a kernel with the requisite modules, namely bnep.ko
[23:15:12] <chromas> Which one runs SedBot?
[23:15:44] <FoobarBazbot> SedBot's on an old atom netbook
[23:15:44] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[23:15:45] <ciri> Some strange 70+ year old acrobat.
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