#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-09

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[00:09:24] <michealpwalls> I should watch a movie this evening...
[00:09:29] <michealpwalls> Dunno what to watch, though
[00:09:37] <SirFinku_> tampopo
[00:09:39] <SirFinku_> it's the shit
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[00:15:43] <MrBluze> hello netizens
[00:20:27] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - UK Lobby Group Tries To Kill Private Copying - http://sylnt.us - Refrain-"when-will-they-ever-learn?"
[00:24:58] <MrBluze> http://www.wolveswolveswolves.org .. this is interesting
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[00:33:08] <Blackmoore> 'ello MrBluze
[00:33:15] <MrBluze> hi Blackmoore
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[00:33:24] <Blackmoore|afk> I'm heading home.
[00:33:32] <MrBluze> drive/travel carefully
[00:33:37] <Blackmoore|afk> aye
[00:38:29] <michealpwalls> ^
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[01:30:17] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - How Universities Might Aid and Abet Patent Trolls. - http://sylnt.us - whose-patents-are-they?
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[02:26:20] <Alberto> Hello all
[02:26:23] <Alberto> NCommander, are you there?
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[02:27:09] <SoyGuest97574> anyone here?
[02:28:41] <SpallsHurgenson> nope
[02:28:47] <SpallsHurgenson> nobody here but us chickens
[02:28:56] <SpallsHurgenson> bck-awk!
[02:30:18] * MrBluze clucks
[02:30:20] <SpallsHurgenson> neat and easy to understand video explaining net neutrality, good for helping mom and dad understand the problem :) http://videosift.com
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[02:47:49] * SpallsHurgenson contemplates the lowly aardvark
[02:53:14] <SpallsHurgenson> the lowly, sexy aardvark.
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[02:59:03] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, the things she can do with her tongue
[02:59:33] <SpallsHurgenson> excuse me
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[03:11:33] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Yahoo Policy Change Breaks Email for Many Uses - http://sylnt.us - less-email-equals-less-spam-right?
[03:19:37] <Spalls_InHisBunk> oh no, now my yahoo spamtraps will be even less useful!
[03:43:04] <Spalls_InHisBunk> Spamtraps. Spamtraps. Spaaaamtrap. Spamtraaaap. Spaaaam. Traaaap. Sounds funny. 'Specially if you are drunk.
[04:03:26] <paulej72> new code up on dev. I worked on fixing broken link in messages which led me to fix broken css, in all of the themes. CSS work meant removing some dead wood from the css code. this also lead me to update the authors page as it was looking like shit.
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[04:08:50] <chromas> ooh I get to metamod
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[04:14:54] <chromas> He, I was going down the list checking Unfair instead of Fair. Maybe I have dylsexia
[04:17:26] <Spalls_InHisBunk> and now thanks to you we need to enable meta meta modding
[04:18:03] <paulej72> someone will fuck that up too, so we will need meta meta meta modding
[04:19:55] <NCommander> hey paulej72
[04:20:09] <paulej72> Hey NCommander
[04:20:11] * NCommander is bloody insomnic
[04:20:20] <NCommander> Greeting from Syrcause
[04:20:23] <paulej72> How is the trip going?
[04:20:38] <NCommander> Lovely, I *love* riding Amtrak, and I *really* love being in a sleeper car
[04:20:58] <paulej72> How good is the internet access?
[04:21:38] <NCommander> paulej72, its whatever I can get tethering
[04:22:27] <paulej72> NCommander: purged some more FH code from the messges plugin. I fixed a bunch of broken links caused by this and I also made some cosmentic changes.
[04:22:52] <NCommander> paulej72, awesome
[04:23:29] * NCommander thinks he's still subconsciously stressing w.r.t incorporation
[04:23:45] <paulej72> you had an issue about messages and I have forgotten what it was.
[04:23:55] <paulej72> again
[04:23:59] <NCommander> paulej72, which ones that are or aren't enabled
[04:24:07] <chromas> Is this the original metamod or your own creation?
[04:24:16] <NCommander> paulej72, I'd like to purge out as much of the static code generation as possible
[04:24:20] <NCommander> chromas, its the original, but original from pre-FH era
[04:24:29] <NCommander> So its actually semi-functional, though still in need of overhaul
[04:24:53] <chromas> I've seen two versions of metamod and neither were this so I guess I was late to m2
[04:25:15] <paulej72> NCommander: do we want messages trunrned off by default or set to web where appropriate.
[04:25:18] <NCommander> This is the M2 system that was around in the *very* beginning
[04:25:25] <NCommander> paulej72, web where appropriate
[04:25:47] <NCommander> paulej72, for things like comments and such, I'd like it also if we have it just go straight to the URL without the second click; that's not hard to do as there's already some code to that
[04:26:10] <chromas> Load in place with js :D
[04:26:25] <paulej72> NCommander: I think that is setup in the users sections, which I have not looked for.
[04:27:01] <NCommander> paulej72, if the message has <URL:*url*> in it, it autoforwards according to the code
[04:27:14] <NCommander> So int heory, just a matter of editing templates
[04:27:44] <paulej72> NCommander: I am not sure what you mean by second click.
[04:28:09] <NCommander> paulej72, you get a message you have a reply for a comment -> then click the link in the message to see the reply
[04:28:53] <paulej72> yes but there are three links in that message.
[04:29:15] <paulej72> And there are other types of messages that do require reading.
[04:29:40] <paulej72> And we may want to have admins send messages to users.
[04:30:15] <paulej72> Take a look at dev, as I made that second screen look much better.
[04:30:18] <NCommander> paulej72, no, that's fine. Maybe just rework the messaging interface so it shows the messages inline vs. requiring a seperate click to see each message
[04:31:02] <NCommander> Looking
[04:31:17] <paulej72> NCommander: I could probably just show them like a list of comments.
[04:31:40] <NCommander> paulej72, that was what I was thinking
[04:31:46] <NCommander> And just mark all read whenever the index is brought up
[04:33:28] <paulej72> NCommander: I will make that happen before I do a pull request on this. This will also fix an issue I have with the menu for inbox and preference. I can probably ditch it and have less clutter.
[04:34:20] <paulej72> What I do find nice is that the third comment link finally goes to the article and not just the home page. Broken FH code
[04:36:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, if i had any moral fiber, i'd be ashamed of drinking that much whiskey on a thursday.
[04:36:25] <paulej72> OK I need to get home and relax. I at least have sme code that went live today :)
[04:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
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[04:51:48] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Mind-Controlled Exoskeleton To Be Demonstrated At World Cup In Brazil - http://sylnt.us - I-think-I-can-I-think-I-can-scooooore!
[04:59:36] <Spalls_InHisBunk> for some reason I read that as exoskeletons for dogs. 'Cause Rex needs a battlemech too
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[05:31:26] <Spalls_InHisBunk> a dog with an exoskeleton is cool and sorta cute. a cat with an exoskeleton is terrifying beyond belief
[05:31:56] <chromas> New band name: Mechanical Pussy
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[05:40:48] <Spalls_InHisBunk> whose idea was anyway it to live with a creature that has superior hearing and smell, can see in the dark, the fastest reflexes of any mammal, armed with 20 razor-sharp claws and a total disrespect for men?
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[05:41:24] <chromas> Oh you've been married?
[05:42:29] <Spalls_InHisBunk> no, that's all the above PLUS access to my wallet :)
[05:43:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, I think he's got a cat.
[05:43:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've got him beat, I've got two cats *AND* a wife.
[05:45:27] * Spalls_InHisBunk allows you that particular "victory" :-)
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[05:57:42] <Spalls_InHisBunk> and now I'm sleepy
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[05:58:10] <NCommander> yay for the roller coaster of internet access
[05:58:19] <NCommander> paulej72, there's a LOT of slashd jobs we can cleanup/cleanout,
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[06:27:33] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: how's the trip goin' ?
[06:35:28] <mrcoolbp> spalls_inhisbunk: 3 cats and a wife here
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[06:45:10] <arti> ncommander doing shrooms?
[06:45:15] <arti> or perhaps some lsd
[06:45:24] <arti> i hear riding a bike is pretty fun
[06:45:59] <SirFinkus> outside in general is pree cool
[06:46:21] <arti> yeah, walking around is more fun than stationary activities
[06:46:28] <arti> how's the back?
[06:46:34] <SirFinkus> betterish
[06:46:40] <SirFinkus> "stationary activities"
[06:46:49] <arti> yeah, that's fun too
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[06:47:06] <SirFinkus> I love how anything can be dirty if you put it in quotes
[06:47:15] <arti> "how"
[06:47:45] <SirFinkus> maybe it's just me
[06:47:57] * arti passes the doobie
[06:48:11] <arti> today was a very productive day
[06:48:16] <arti> wrapped up a bunch of work
[06:48:22] <SirFinkus> the "doobie"
[06:48:32] <SirFinkus> see?
[06:48:51] * arti keeps it for himself
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[06:51:00] <SirFinkus> too late
[06:54:01] * arti sets the no pass bit
[06:55:42] <SirFinkus> it's fine, I don't really smoke weed so I'm already high
[06:55:56] <arti> "screw you guys"
[06:56:23] <SirFinkus> I may take it up more seriously once the stores open
[06:56:36] <arti> which state are you in?
[06:56:43] <SirFinkus> WA
[06:56:51] <arti> oh nice, i hail from kirkland
[06:57:05] * arti relocated to socal
[06:57:10] * arti is highscoring on nice days
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[08:02:11] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Add Letters X and Y to DNA Alphabet - http://sylnt.us - MOAR!
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[09:21:10] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Google Fiber Sends Rivals Scrambling - http://sylnt.us - Telecom-Laxative
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[09:55:47] <JamesNZ> Yay, competition.
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[11:16:00] <prospectacle> greetings earthlings
[11:21:41] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Fortran Still Top Langauage For Number Crunching - http://sylnt.us - Get-Off-My-Extremely-Efficient-Lawn
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[11:30:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:30:41] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 34
[11:31:07] <chromas> connect(prospectacle, crutchy);
[11:31:28] <crutchy> g'day chromas :-)
[11:31:52] <chromas> g'day sir
[11:33:10] <prospectacle> hi
[11:34:52] <chromas> hi
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[11:37:10] <MrBluze> fishandchips++
[11:37:10] <deadpeas> karma - fishandchips: 1
[11:45:06] <prospectacle> nice
[11:45:25] <MrBluze> yup and filling
[11:45:33] <MrBluze> hi prospectacle :)
[11:45:42] <MrBluze> i been a thinking and thinking and thinking
[11:45:50] <prospectacle> excellent
[11:45:59] <MrBluze> yeah, painful at times
[11:46:07] <prospectacle> I'm under the pump at work so not been thinking quite as much myself, but a little bit!
[11:46:27] <MrBluze> well i am always aware of mission creep but here goes
[11:46:44] <MrBluze> the thing is the web itself is insecure.. browser side crypto is dodgy
[11:46:44] <prospectacle> go for it. I think mission creep is to be embraced as inevitable. The trick is to master it .Like riding the sandworm
[11:47:12] <MrBluze> so for my part i have to write an app to handle this messaging thing
[11:47:34] <MrBluze> probably in c .. but actually i want to write it in a c scripting language
[11:47:38] <MrBluze> not compiled
[11:47:39] <crutchy> fat_porn_pigeons++
[11:47:39] <deadpeas> karma - fat_porn_pigeons: 1
[11:48:03] <prospectacle> well fair enough. I think you can get all manner of scripting languages.
[11:48:26] <prospectacle> For me the question is the algorithm. I mean do you trust encryption system X in theory, and if so, do you trust impelmentation (library) Y.
[11:48:46] <MrBluze> exactly
[11:48:49] <prospectacle> If so, it doesn't matter the platform or language on which those things are implemented. (compiled, interpreted, browser-based, etc).
[11:48:58] <MrBluze> yes indeed
[11:49:06] <MrBluze> but here's the mission creep
[11:49:19] <MrBluze> i want to write a sort of a desktop microcosm
[11:49:37] <MrBluze> tagged file system, and a plaintext-controlled gui
[11:50:27] <MrBluze> i want to modify a c interpreter (picoc) so it is kind of contained in this microcosm
[11:50:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:50:38] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 35
[11:50:51] <MrBluze> so it reads and writes files to the tagged filesystem .. i was gonna use sqlite for it
[11:51:31] <prospectacle> Interesting. So it would handle encryption and decryption both for individuals and between individuals?
[11:51:45] <MrBluze> yes
[11:52:07] <MrBluze> ... and the thing will be the app would handle all the crypto work, the key libraries, and so on
[11:52:58] <MrBluze> anyway it could be the beginnings of a secure communications environment
[11:53:25] <MrBluze> maybe run it in a vm on something like tinycore
[11:55:08] <MrBluze> it's a huge undertaking but i'd start with, like you, just the implementation and file/message format
[11:55:19] <prospectacle> Because we want to include lots of things. and I think we should
[11:55:19] <prospectacle> Ok, so can you go here for a second... http://masterplanmachine.com
[11:55:19] <prospectacle> If we organise what comes first, and in what order to release things, we can tick of pieces one by one
[11:55:20] <prospectacle> What if we made something like this to organise our ideas.
[11:55:55] <MrBluze> nice :)
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[11:56:56] <MrBluze> well, just encrypting and decrypting a file is already a feat
[11:57:03] <prospectacle> Yes.
[11:57:42] <prospectacle> So would the key be stored on the computer. Or would we also require a password to be stored in the users brain, and that password would be for decrypting the key, for example?
[11:58:20] <MrBluze> that depends
[11:59:05] <prospectacle> I think possibly there would be more demand/use for a messaging system, because encrypting files for yourself is fairly easy and there are many options for it. But a more easy versatile way to send private messages might solve problems for some peoplep who don't currently have a good solution.
[11:59:07] <MrBluze> but yeah you store the keys in the computer
[11:59:21] <MrBluze> well a messaging system is a file encryption system
[11:59:25] <prospectacle> Yes it is
[11:59:31] <MrBluze> also have you seen whispersystems?
[11:59:41] <prospectacle> no, I'll look it up
[11:59:57] <MrBluze> ok.. it is an android ap - end-end encryption replacement for hangouts
[12:00:03] <MrBluze> and also secure telephony
[12:00:12] <prospectacle> interesting
[12:00:17] <MrBluze> it uses public key encryption and forward secrecy .. same idea
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[12:00:30] <MrBluze> the difference is you can't just post anywhere
[12:01:17] <prospectacle> Yes i think that would be the strength of our system as we designed it. You can just chuck the bytes up anywhere
[12:01:28] <MrBluze> yes
[12:01:38] <prospectacle> Do you want to test out the basic proof of concept I posted last week. I think it would take about 5 minutes. I can take you through it.
[12:01:45] <MrBluze> yes
[12:02:04] <prospectacle> ok so go to my journal and copy and paste the code into a php file http://soylentnews.org
[12:04:03] <MrBluze> gimme a couple of mins the computer is doing something but it's coming
[12:04:11] <prospectacle> no worries
[12:05:48] <MrBluze> so i was thinking, actually, whether an encrypted sql file as being the message blob is a security problem
[12:05:56] <MrBluze> or just an sql file as being the message blob
[12:06:04] <MrBluze> sqlite i mean
[12:06:23] <prospectacle> yeah sqlite would be good then it could include structured data more easily.
[12:06:24] <prospectacle> Nice one
[12:06:30] <prospectacle> Could encrypt the whole file
[12:07:05] <crutchy> what's the openssl.cnf file?
[12:07:13] <crutchy> (please excuse ignorance)
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[12:07:21] <prospectacle> crutchy, apparently they provide a sample one when you download a php binary
[12:07:29] <crutchy> ah
[12:07:36] <prospectacle> I found one in an old .zip file of when downloaded a php version.
[12:07:52] <crutchy> you mean the one for generating a self-singned cert?
[12:07:53] <prospectacle> I didn't get one with my wamp install, for some reason, but the .zip from php.net had one.
[12:08:11] <prospectacle> crutchy, I guess it configures which algorithms openssl uses for generating keys and stuff.
[12:09:08] <MrBluze> my apt database was corrupted
[12:09:10] <MrBluze> so im repairing it
[12:09:34] <prospectacle> that's cool I'm not in a hurry
[12:10:00] * prospectacle sips wine and flips the tv channels
[12:10:59] <MrBluze> .op mrbluze
[12:11:04] <MrBluze> just testing
[12:12:10] <prospectacle> how funny is it having billionaires brawling in the street
[12:12:23] <MrBluze> oh those two
[12:12:29] <MrBluze> its revealling if nothing else
[12:12:35] <prospectacle> but it's ok they fined them $500 that will teach them
[12:12:55] <MrBluze> that means they might have problems with gambling licenses
[12:13:47] <prospectacle> yeah that would be a bit more costly
[12:13:58] <prospectacle> I was wondering if a billionaire has ever gone to jail.
[12:14:06] <prospectacle> Hard to imagine it happening
[12:14:14] <prospectacle> who was that canadian press guy?
[12:14:38] <prospectacle> conrad black, that's the one. oh he's only worth 80 million
[12:15:15] <MrBluze> lots of copy/paste hell
[12:15:29] <MrBluze> conrad black .. his actual worth is probably hidden
[12:15:50] <prospectacle> crutchy, you can be in on this test too if you want. Just find a .cnf file and let me know when the .php file is showing keys it generates.
[12:16:12] <prospectacle> MrBluze, true, if you were a billionaire would you really advertise it
[12:16:15] <crutchy> i haven't got openssl installed
[12:16:21] <crutchy> i have a pem file though
[12:16:27] <crutchy> from ages ago when i used it
[12:16:35] <prospectacle> crutchy, for me I only had to uncomment it in the php.ini and reboot apache.
[12:16:46] <prospectacle> Don't know if you'd have the same situation.
[12:17:05] <crutchy> do i need an apache vhost?
[12:17:20] <prospectacle> extension=php_openssl.dll
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[12:17:25] <prospectacle> don't think so
[12:17:29] <prospectacle> I dunno what a vhost is
[12:18:01] <prospectacle> I'm just running a local wamp server.
[12:18:44] <MrBluze> it wont run in cli
[12:18:48] <MrBluze> so what do i supply as arguments
[12:19:39] <MrBluze> ok prospectacle i ran it in cli
[12:20:07] <prospectacle> cool
[12:20:14] * MrBluze reads the code again
[12:20:29] <prospectacle> ok so I save two copies of the same code. One we'll use to genreate keys, one to actually encrypt/decrypt the message
[12:20:29] <MrBluze> ah wamp
[12:20:41] <MrBluze> ok
[12:21:13] <prospectacle> Run the first copy and if it generates key, copy and paste them into some file (your sender public key and sender private key). You can ignore the recipients keys for now.
[12:23:51] <MrBluze> i gotta find openssl.cnf to use
[12:24:23] <prospectacle> ok I got a default one from a php binary download .zip. I can put it on pastebin one second...
[12:25:14] <MrBluze> its ok
[12:25:39] <MrBluze> yep it works, well done
[12:25:53] * MrBluze has an evil thought
[12:25:53] <prospectacle> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:25:55] <prospectacle> oh ok
[12:26:03] <prospectacle> do tell
[12:26:41] <MrBluze> i want to write a scripted implementation of this, as u have, but i wanted to do it in c.. but why not in php, must look at gui programming in php
[12:27:10] <MrBluze> not sure how event driven programming would quite work in php
[12:27:18] <MrBluze> havent written client side apps with it
[12:27:29] <prospectacle> Yea. i find the web browser is a pretty good gui for some things. Also you can use gtk. Also php cli runs a mini-web-server these days (or can do)
[12:27:32] <MrBluze> but yes it generated keys
[12:27:33] <crutchy> using a socket?
[12:27:42] <prospectacle> mrbluze, ok now copy and paste your "Sender" keys
[12:27:56] <prospectacle> save them in a text file for a second. Tell me your "public" key.
[12:28:12] <prospectacle> I'll give you my public key too, one second...
[12:28:53] <prospectacle> ok here is my public key
[12:28:58] <prospectacle> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:30:12] <MrBluze> ill pm it
[12:30:25] <prospectacle> ok
[12:31:14] <chromas> Pming the public key?
[12:31:52] <prospectacle> chromas, now that's security!
[12:32:04] <crutchy> public keys have rights too!
[12:32:13] <prospectacle> lol
[12:32:36] <MrBluze> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:32:38] * crutchy is fighting for mrbluze's public key to be a woman.... i mean to have privacy... as a woman
[12:33:01] <crutchy> i mean mrbluze's public key's right to privacy
[12:33:04] <crutchy> and to be a woman
[12:33:31] <prospectacle> mrbluze, mine generated with a ---end public key--- at the end, did yours have one of these?
[12:33:35] <crutchy> ...having babies by keeping the fetus in a box
[12:33:44] <crutchy> a secure box
[12:38:43] <MrBluze> yep
[12:38:53] <MrBluze> im thinking --end annoying kids--
[12:39:24] <prospectacle> lol
[12:39:42] <MrBluze> but can php drive a gui, instead of a web browser display
[12:39:48] <prospectacle> MRBluze, ok now make a new copy of the code I sent and call it "decrypt_message.php" or something liket hat.
[12:40:05] <prospectacle> MrBluze, it can drive several toolkits. I made a php-gtk program at work once.
[12:40:19] <MrBluze> ill try that
[12:40:34] <MrBluze> ok
[12:41:02] <prospectacle> MrBluze, when you've made a copy called decrypt_message.php (or whatever, put my public key, and set it ot the variable "$sender_public_key";
[12:41:42] <prospectacle> on around line 95, set $sender_public_key = "(prospectacles test public key you copied from paste.ubuntu.com)"
[12:41:59] <prospectacle> and on the next line set your *private* key as $recipient_private_key.
[12:42:13] <MrBluze> okay
[12:43:06] <prospectacle> ok so I've made an encrypted message using your public key and my private key, I'll just put it up...
[12:44:31] <prospectacle> nope it's not gonna work I left out the linebreaks. Ok one second...
[12:44:55] <MrBluze> i wondered about that
[12:45:44] <MrBluze> im following the code tho
[12:46:23] <MrBluze> .. but the kids are about to murder me
[12:47:17] <prospectacle> ok cool, here is a new public key for me... http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:47:19] <prospectacle> with line breaks
[12:47:39] <crutchy> lol chromas nice cloak :-)
[12:47:41] <MrBluze> if u just add end public key to the original pastebin i did, that will work
[12:48:14] <prospectacle> thanks
[12:48:41] <MrBluze> sender private key? is my private key?
[12:49:04] <prospectacle> ok you be the recipient for this one and I'll be the sender
[12:49:30] <MrBluze> ok
[12:49:36] <prospectacle> I've made a message, hooray it works...
[12:50:35] <prospectacle> ok here is your secret message:
[12:50:36] <prospectacle> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:50:47] <chromas> crutchy: it was the only one that fit
[12:51:05] <prospectacle> set that as the variable $outer_encrypted towards the end
[12:51:23] <prospectacle> right before $outer_decrypted = ....
[12:51:28] <MrBluze> original_test?
[12:51:32] <MrBluze> oh ok
[12:52:08] <prospectacle> so in theory I've encrypted with my private key and your public key. If you've sent your $recipient_private_key and my $sender_public_key in your code, then you should be able to decode it.
[12:52:17] <prospectacle> s/sent/set/
[12:52:17] <SedBot> <prospectacle> so in theory I've encrypted with my private key and your public key. If you've set your $recipient_private_key and my $sender_public_key in your code, then you should be able to decode it.
[12:54:05] <MrBluze> i sent u my sender public key
[12:54:17] <prospectacle> yes. sorry I mean "set"
[12:54:25] <MrBluze> u did say set.. i read sent .. my faut
[12:54:26] <MrBluze> +l
[12:54:32] <prospectacle> so you're the recipient
[12:54:42] <prospectacle> so you set your "recipient_private_key" to be the private key you generated.
[12:54:47] <prospectacle> and set the "Sender public key" to be my public key
[12:55:15] <prospectacle> then you should be able to decrypt my awesome secret message that no one can read even though it's on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:57:47] <MrBluze> uhm
[12:58:22] <MrBluze> not a valid private key .. hmm
[12:58:42] <MrBluze> oh hold 1 sec
[12:58:42] <prospectacle> hmm, could it be the line breaks again?
[12:58:49] <chromas> Paste it here and we'll check for you
[12:58:51] <MrBluze> couldnt verify outer decruption
[12:58:52] <prospectacle> lol
[12:59:37] <crutchy> you just need to use the private key to publicly encrypt your privates
[12:59:51] <crutchy> err on some other irc network
[12:59:52] <prospectacle> mrbluze, ok, that's cool. We can break it down. In your "decrypt_message" delete everything except: 1) the functions, 2) the last 10 lines (everything starting at $outer_decrypted=")
[12:59:53] <MrBluze> problem is, which u cant see, i am fighting off kids so it is impairing my concentration and typing
[13:00:05] <prospectacle> keep the other copy of the code though, the one that has everything
[13:00:25] <crutchy> you need some AntiKid
[13:00:27] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[13:00:29] <prospectacle> mrbluze, these things happen
[13:00:33] <crutchy> ...veggies
[13:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:00:40] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 36
[13:00:46] <crutchy> or chores
[13:00:49] <prospectacle> morning themightybuzzard
[13:00:51] <crutchy> or homeework
[13:00:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:01:00] <crutchy> evenin
[13:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> <greeting of the day>
[13:01:35] <MrBluze> hi
[13:01:56] <MrBluze> yeah i think i am doing something wrong with pasting the keys
[13:02:58] <prospectacle> that's ok strip down the decrypt.php version of the code like I said above (but don't delete the original copy) and we can generate some new keys and try again.
[13:03:04] <MrBluze> i try again :)
[13:03:07] <MrBluze> hold a sec
[13:03:15] <prospectacle> ok
[13:03:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> stretching your coding comfort zone?
[13:04:25] <MrBluze> no, but if u saw what was happening this side of the keyboard .. ugh its bedlam
[13:06:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome new encryption that isn't already in gpg?
[13:06:31] <MrBluze> nah i get couldnt verify outer decryption
[13:07:21] <MrBluze> u gonna be around in 20 min? i gotta get these little shi.. i mean kids to bed
[13:07:28] <prospectacle> hmm, ok, well the outer decryption is based on your key, so I may have copied your key wrong.
[13:07:31] <prospectacle> yeah I'll be here
[13:07:38] <prospectacle> We can make a new set of keys and you can paste them again
[13:08:01] <MrBluze> oh.. hmm.. i try one thing ;)
[13:08:39] <MrBluze> yeah have to try again.. brb kid jobs
[13:09:10] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, haven't tried gpg. This is largely an exercise for fun but maybe have some original concepts
[13:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh. gotcha.
[13:10:14] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, e.g. you don't have to specify the sender, the system detects it from your contacts list (and their keys).
[13:10:20] <prospectacle> don't know if that's original but seems like a cool feature.
[13:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy for sure
[13:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't use it for giving your secret family recipe for sarin to a terrorist group but sounds fun to build.
[13:13:27] <prospectacle> yeah it's educational
[13:13:46] <prospectacle> It was a bit confusing at first but impressive how much stuff php comes with out of the box.
[13:14:06] <prospectacle> openssl, sha256 and many other hashing algorithms, etc
[13:14:10] <prospectacle> also, no box!
[13:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. perl you'd have to pull from cpan.
[13:16:46] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: idea is to set up a messaging / forums system with public keys + perfect forward secrecy + added salty bits
[13:17:37] <prospectacle> so each message will contain the salt that allows you to recognise the header of the next message as being for you
[13:17:47] <MrBluze> yep
[13:17:52] <MrBluze> :)
[13:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> store the privkeys where though?
[13:18:22] <crutchy> in your underpants
[13:18:37] <crutchy> just beware of any pointers
[13:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, we're gonna have a problem then.
[13:19:39] <crutchy> its where most people apparently keep their hash
[13:20:03] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, yes that's always the weakness, it's on your computer (or something you own) it's too long to remember.
[13:20:13] <prospectacle> but you could encrypt the public key, with a password you can remember.
[13:20:19] <prospectacle> the bit we're focusing on is the transmission
[13:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
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[13:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> private is what you'd need to encrypt. public is just what it says.
[13:22:42] <MrBluze> lol crutchy
[13:22:43] <crutchy> or just keep in a directory protected by permissions
[13:23:06] <MrBluze> store private keys in an encrypted sqlite file :) :) :)
[13:23:50] <crutchy> but what about encrypting the encrypted sqlite file?
[13:24:02] <crutchy> ^question for the redundant department of redundancy
[13:24:25] <prospectacle> yes, two layer encryption, unbreakable
[13:24:29] <prospectacle> oh wait but waht about three layers
[13:24:31] <prospectacle> damn it
[13:25:10] <crutchy> and transmit using pigeons
[13:25:25] <crutchy> encrypted pigeons
[13:25:48] <crutchy> that smoke hash
[13:26:33] <crutchy> (so that the hash is quickly destroyed and nobody can reuse it)
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[13:30:45] <prospectacle> always keep a spare hash in your pigeon
[13:31:43] <MrBluze> crutchy: u decrypt the sqlite file using an encrypted sqlite file
[13:36:24] <crutchy> you'd need a couple more private keys, and a handful of public keys
[13:36:40] <crutchy> just don't give them to my wife... they'll end up in her handbag never to be seen again
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[13:37:28] <prospectacle> I always generate my keys by upending a bucket of sand and counting the distribution co-efficient.
[13:37:45] <crutchy> ahh yes... plenty of entropy in a bucket of sand
[13:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of sand too
[13:38:05] <crutchy> well, potential entropy
[13:38:25] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: not nececelery... could be a very small bucket
[13:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be a hole in it too
[13:38:57] <crutchy> not a hole... an "entropy amplifier"
[13:39:13] <crutchy> :-)
[13:39:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> where do the little plastic shovels come in?
[13:40:58] <crutchy> through by laundry door usually
[13:41:04] <crutchy> they live out in the back yard
[13:41:40] <crutchy> they only like to come in when they're really muddy and have high mess coefficient though
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[13:58:09] <crutchy> hi mrcoolbp
[13:58:40] * mrcoolbp mumbles something at crutchy and moves in the direction of the coffee maker
[13:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> right there with ya
[14:00:11] <crutchy> only 2 more hours till saturday here :-)
[14:00:33] <prospectacle> awww yeah
[14:00:34] <crutchy> though was a long crappy day at work today
[14:00:45] <mrcoolbp> where do you live crutchy? Aus?
[14:00:53] <crutchy> yup
[14:01:00] * mrcoolbp nods
[14:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, is there sposed to be stuff on dev and live that's not on git?
[14:22:33] <mrcoolbp> how so?
[14:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hof.shtml for starters
[14:24:03] <mrcoolbp> hmm, might be generated by slash or something
[14:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be. i'll grep around in a bit n see.
[14:24:41] <mrcoolbp> let me know
[14:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you said something about needing to tweak the db schema yesterday. get a couple cups of coffee in and I'll bug you about that.
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[14:33:47] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: which thing?
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[14:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget. not enough coffee in me yet either.
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[14:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> something about needing to run some things against the mysql after getting the vm set up and doing the git pull and redeploying. you didn't specify.
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[14:45:26] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: that sounds like it was bytram, paulej72, NCommander or someone else, not me
[14:45:50] * mrcoolbp can't code his way out of a paper bag, he tried
[14:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, was prolly paulej72. see above about coffee and lack thereof.
[14:46:08] <mrcoolbp> = )
[14:49:30] <weeds> Good Morning
[14:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yo
[14:50:49] <weeds> I submitted that story: Detecting Retinoblastoma from Pictures thinking it might get some discussion on image processing and it turned into a PSA. :)
[14:53:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> might seed it with a question next time.
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[14:55:51] <weeds> Good idea
[14:56:13] <Woods> Thanks.
[14:56:19] <prospectacle> that was an interesting story, weeds
[14:56:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i just know squat about image processing and had nothing to contribute.
[14:59:30] <prospectacle> although i orignally heard the NPR version and the author was obviously trying desperately to win some journalism award with each individual sentence. It was sickening
[15:01:02] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: http://soylentnews.org
[15:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is just a bad, bad day to not be properly caffeinated.
[15:01:50] <weeds> mrcoolbp: ha ha!
[15:01:58] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:02:26] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - California Senate Approves Smartphone 'Kill Switch' - http://sylnt.us - what-could-possibly-go-wrong?
[15:03:05] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure if this was intentional, and had no standing so just let it be: "The ironing is delicious"
[15:06:04] <weeds> OMG, I missed that!
[15:06:18] <Blackmoore|afk> coffee++
[15:06:19] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 37
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[15:06:36] <weeds> I think you should jump in thee and corrected it with some new error
[15:06:57] <weeds> s/thee/there/
[15:06:57] <SedBot> <weeds> I think you should jump in there and corrected it with some new error
[15:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, that's why i feel like a coffee sponge today. forgot about the much whiskey last night
[15:07:16] <Blackmoore> error 4am - not enought coffee.
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[15:11:13] <mrcoolbp> aw I missed mechanicjay
[15:11:17] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[15:11:17] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 38
[15:11:37] * mrcoolbp mulls buying a pebble steel
[15:11:57] <mrcoolbp> looks like they are shipping in under a month now instead of 2 months
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[15:13:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah, i may have to write this off as a practice wake-up and go back to bed for another hour or two.
[15:14:39] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard...hmm that is actually something I should consider
[15:14:49] <mrcoolbp> g'mornin' paulej72
[15:15:57] <paulej72> good morning mrcoolbp
[15:16:34] <Blackmoore> mornin.
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[15:16:46] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
[15:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have a big damn bag of anhydrous caffeine and i'm drinking regular strength coffee.
[15:24:00] <Blackmoore> http://amultiverse.com
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[15:29:36] <mrcoolbp> hiya mechanicjay
[15:29:47] <mrcoolbp> long-time-no-type eh?
[15:30:58] <mechanicjay> hey there mrcoolbp
[15:31:46] <mrcoolbp> how are you?
[15:32:09] <mechanicjay> indeed, I've been quite the lurker the last month
[15:32:40] <mechanicjay> not bad, proctoring the final exam for my class right now. One last busy weekend of grading, and I might be able to figure out which end is up.
[15:33:07] <mrcoolbp> I see, good luck with taht
[15:33:08] <mrcoolbp> that
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[15:57:59] <Woods> Hehehehe... That department though.
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[16:00:21] <mechanicjay> random question: does 7zip on windows handle tar.gz? I don't have a windows box handy to test.
[16:00:40] <Konomi> should do
[16:01:39] <Woods> Mechanicjay: I do not see it on the list...
[16:01:53] <Woods> (On their site)
[16:02:36] <Konomi> 'Packing / unpacking: 7z, XZ, BZIP2, GZIP, TAR, ZIP and WIMH'
[16:03:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> it should work then
[16:03:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> since .tar.gz is just a tar file that's been gzipped
[16:03:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> (if I'm not mistaken.)
[16:03:29] <Woods> Oh, geeze... I was only looking in the "Unpacking" section.
[16:04:11] <Woods> Good thing I have no responsibility around here...
[16:04:27] <Konomi> I had a good idea it did due to me using cygwin in windows before I abandoned it for linux
[16:04:28] <Woods> Like looking over large groups of words for errors... Or anything...
[16:07:36] <mechanicjay> Thanks guys -- should be good enough, they should be able to figure it out regardless.
[16:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, yes, it does. I've used it before on them.
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[16:34:26] <paulej72> I’m-a-doctor-not-a-sys-admin
[16:34:50] <janrinok> paulej72: do you say that to all the girls?
[16:34:53] <mattie_p> that's a good one
[16:34:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> first-do-no-harm?
[16:35:24] <mattie_p> even better, TheMightyBuzzard!
[16:35:29] <janrinok> lol
[16:35:46] <mattie_p> I'm changing it now to that one
[16:44:45] <mrcoolbp> nice
[16:45:26] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: you mentioned improvements to the message notification page, but I can't seem to trigger any messages (ON Dev)
[16:48:23] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: check your message settings, and see if you have comments set to web. If someone else replys to you you get a message, The messages are sent every 5 minutes
[16:49:00] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: already checked that, and logged out, replied to my own message as ac, and still nothing
[16:50:03] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: there is a setting at the bottom of the messages page that sets the users level that will send you a message. It blocks ACs by default
[16:50:12] <mrcoolbp> ah!
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[16:53:23] <paulej72> love the dept on that
[16:53:28] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: still nothing: "You have no messages waiting on the system"
[16:53:29] <Woods> :D Thanks
[16:54:01] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: messages are only sent every 5 minutes.
[16:54:18] <mrcoolbp> crap, good point. need more coffee....
[16:55:07] <paulej72> no message sent
[16:55:20] <paulej72> osrry message sent.
[16:55:25] <mrcoolbp> ah finally got one
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[16:56:14] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: I am planning to rework the message page so all messages are displayed by default. There will be no list to click on.
[16:57:28] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: cool, I'm not seeing any changes here besides removing the "You have received this message because you subscribed..." text
[16:58:24] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the third link actually goes to the story. also I made some chenges to make the UI look better
[16:58:37] <paulej72> compare it to prod
[16:59:54] <mrcoolbp> I see now, (i have different themes on each, getting distracted I guess)
[16:59:58] <mrcoolbp> also:
[17:00:01] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[17:00:01] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 39
[17:00:29] <mrcoolbp> wakingup--
[17:00:29] <deadpeas> karma - wakingup: -1
[17:01:00] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: nice, I like it
[17:01:02] <mrcoolbp> paulej72++
[17:01:02] <deadpeas> karma - paulej72: 16
[17:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, not a bad idea for now but a better idea for later would be to give reply messages their own page so they don't clutter up the inbox.
[17:02:12] <paulej72> I removed a buch of dead wood from the css files. most was journal stuff. If you see any issues there let me know
[17:02:58] <mrcoolbp> k
[17:03:09] * mrcoolbp starts drinking directly from the coffee pot
[17:03:34] <paulej72> do people get a lot of reply messages? NCommander was not fond of having to click through to get to the actually message
[17:04:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm a yacky bastard, so i do on occasion
[17:05:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably me and half a dozen others are the only ones who'd appreciate it at this point though
[17:06:25] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it would look like a comments page with just a bunch of messges instead of comments. I could put the newest on top by default
[17:06:27] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I always though clicking on the message in the list should bring you directly to the message
[17:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, http://www.amazon.com
[17:06:49] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I like the idea of newest on top
[17:07:14] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: eek
[17:07:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sounds about right. low return for effort at this point though i think.
[17:07:20] * mrcoolbp starts trembling
[17:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, throw another 100-200mg in your cup and get double strength without having to drink two cups.
[17:07:58] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: having all the actual comments on that page is a really cool idea
[17:08:53] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: but I like using my coffee as a diuretic
[17:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> does work well for that
[17:09:40] <paulej72> If I don’t drink enough, how will I replace the fluids that I am loosing from dirinking so much coffee
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[17:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think my cigarettes are working today either.
[17:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, if i'm not going to wake up worth a damn today i might as well get busy half-assing it.
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[17:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got a few to fill me in on what's necessary after fork>pull>redeploy to get caught up with dev?
[17:17:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not right now, I am just about to got out for lunch
[17:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, ima lazyass it then and read a book
[18:01:41] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Deal Imminent For UK ISP Piracy Letters - http://sylnt.us - better-than-expected
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[18:34:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am back from lunch if you want a dev vm fix
[18:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> might as well get on it, doesn't look like i'm going to wake up any more than i already have today
[18:38:08] <paulej72> I am adding the chages to http://wiki.soylentnews.org
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[18:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod probably best to only have to do it once.
[18:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll have an epic dagwood for lunch
[18:55:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am brining up a fresh VM so I can test my instructions
[19:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. partaking of a sandwich of doom here.
[19:09:38] <swiss> i want a sandwich
[19:09:55] <swiss> just realized how hungry i am
[19:10:32] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - UN to Debate Killer Drone Ethics - http://sylnt.us - weapon-of-mass-boredom
[19:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ham, roast beef, turkey, chipotle cheddar, pepper jack, swiss, tomato, banana peppers, jalapeno peppers, lettuce, salt, pepper, oregano.
[19:14:46] <swiss> i hate you
[19:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout 4" tall
[19:15:05] <swiss> my stomach growled
[19:15:19] <swiss> i have a meeting w/ work in 15 mins, not enough time to run to get food
[19:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[19:19:56] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have the VMHowto updated with the new code and I have tested it with a fresh vm. It is now really straight forward to upgrade.
[19:20:08] <paulej72> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:20:15] <mattie_p> oh, nifty. Thanks, paulej72
[19:21:37] <paulej72> mattie_p: I have the sql commands needed to upgrade the db to the latest need to work with the current slashcode
[19:25:16] <mattie_p> I haven't touched my vm in a while due to time constraints, but that will be helpful
[19:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, good as far as that goes, still not mirroring dev though. no hof.shtml for instance.
[19:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> or is that generated on a schedule?
[19:33:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that should work, but I am not sure why
[19:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no worries. plenty to do without touching the hof.
[19:37:05] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it looks like it gets generated by slashd. i would suggest keeping the VM up and running overnight to get it to update properly
[19:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod.
[19:48:42] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for making me do this. I was able to get a one line fix to the db which will allow the new themes to be installed on production much easier than what we did in dev and staff. and what i did on my vms
[19:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. think i squashed #120 already too.
[19:50:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a template error
[19:52:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: there are more than just one place that that error was showing up so I would suggest trying to publish a stroy on the VM to see the whole process and where it is broken.
[19:52:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was going to use grep to find the bad code in other templates first. save time
[19:53:25] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that works too, you may want to look at this http://wiki.soylentnews.org it should give you some pointers on editing if you get stuck
[19:53:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, have it pulled up
[20:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, that particular bug was unique to plugins/Submit/templates/subEdTable\;submit\;default. if there were similar, i didn't catch them with a wide angle grep.
[20:21:26] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Match Stick Artist - Out of this World - http://sylnt.us - seeing-is-believing
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[20:43:45] <paulej72> OK I am off to go to my mom’s place be back about 9 EST
[20:44:48] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - uhhh ....
[20:44:50] <NCommander> O_o;
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[21:07:25] <Blackmoore> now they are voting on your license plate.
[21:07:40] <Blackmoore> I hope they can get you a car to put it on
[21:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, yep. now you can get 8===D on your license plate
[21:19:02] <Blackmoore> 8008135
[21:20:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, groan
[21:20:35] <NCommander> THe Empire Builder is off!
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[21:40:25] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Time Warner-Comcast Merger Trudges On - http://sylnt.us - an-eldritch-horror-arises
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[22:19:16] <Blackmoore> ooh. that's an improvmenment to my subheader
[22:21:14] <Woods> I figured it was more terrifying. It really tears at your soul, TW-Comcast, that is.
[22:24:30] <Blackmoore> yeah. it does.
[22:25:06] <Blackmoore> and i cut the cord years ago.
[22:25:42] <Blackmoore> (fer cripes sake i have the fiber line running through my yard. why the hell cant i get fios?
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[22:27:31] <chromas> My ISP, Charter, should merge with Bistream Communications; then I'd have a font
[22:27:40] <chromas> s/ist/its/
[22:27:41] <SedBot> <chromas> My ISP, Charter, should merge with Bitsream Communications; then I'd have a font
[22:27:53] <chromas> +t
[22:28:15] <Woods> I am going to be getting Google Fiber here in two Months, I can hardly wait... Currently use TW though.
[22:28:20] <Blackmoore> (and it would be comic sans)
[22:28:36] <chromas> I was thinking Bitstream Charter
[22:29:14] <Woods> More like... Okay, I have nothing.
[22:29:23] <chromas> Comic Sans MS is what you get when MS jokes stop being funny
[22:29:32] <chromas> Or when funny stops being MS
[22:29:39] <chromas> in soviet russia
[22:32:19] <chromas> I think the worst we have at the moment is DNS hijacking
[22:32:37] <chromas> for non-existant domains
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[23:02:13] <Blackmoore> I failed at the font nerdery. i had to look that up.
[23:02:42] <Blackmoore> (should totally start a company called Copperplate Bold)
[23:09:13] <chromas> The thing I don't like about fonts is they're like linux distros
[23:09:31] <chromas> Most are the same with slight tweaks here and there
[23:10:47] <chromas> "Well I wanted Helvetica but with 1/32" descenders instead of 1/16".
[23:11:16] <Woods> lol. ^^^ This
[23:11:55] <Woods> The kerning betwen the "q" and the "h" is just GOD AWFUL...
[23:12:57] <chromas> And I may be alone here but I don't think the crossbars on the capital letter I should count as serifs
[23:13:12] <Blackmoore> and decenting part of the j and y arent low enough
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[23:15:07] <Blackmoore> "heard you liked sans seriff, so i put serifs on your serrifs"
[23:16:27] <Blackmoore> I shot the serriff, but i did not shoot the comic sans. no no.
[23:16:50] <Blackmoore> I shot the serriff, but i heard it was a captial offenese.
[23:17:38] <Woods> So I was looking up how fast Superman could fly, because reasons, and I had to stop after I came across this little gem: "He's faster than light, four times faster than sound."
[23:18:00] <chromas> Serif Sheriff
[23:18:37] <chromas> It makes sense if you consider special relativity, right? If you're going faster than the speed of light, then anything slower is the same speed as anything else slower
[23:18:44] <chromas> or something
[23:19:13] <Woods> Well... I mean...
[23:19:20] <Woods> Yeah.
[23:19:34] <Woods> But that guy said it in a dumb way.
[23:19:34] <arti> is special relativity like "special" ?
[23:19:49] <Woods> And I do not think that is what he meant.
[23:19:53] <chromas> I know
[23:20:03] <arti> speed of light is 4 times faster than sound
[23:20:25] <arti> sounds like a great fact to unleash upon the unsuspecting masses via info graphics
[23:20:48] <Woods> Just imagine if that were true. Yikes.
[23:20:59] <arti> yikes is right
[23:23:10] <Woods> 1361 m/s (3044 mph)...
[23:23:42] <Woods> Driving through a neighborhood at 30 mph would be 1% of c.
[23:23:51] <arti> lol
[23:23:59] <arti> how much is that in warp
[23:24:08] * arti needs to add these calculations to his bot
[23:24:12] <chromas> You could speed up sound instead of slowing light
[23:24:22] <arti> but then we'd sound funny
[23:24:25] <Woods> Chromas: NO, STOP RUINING THIS FOR US
[23:24:28] <chromas> And remember (4 times faster) == (five times as fast as)
[23:24:34] <chromas> lol
[23:25:51] <Blackmoore> ugh. Superman does not run at the spped of light.
[23:26:12] <Blackmoore> that's flash :P
[23:26:30] <Woods> Blackmoore: The end of the sentence I quoted was "But Flash is faster"
[23:27:04] <Blackmoore> in then if we expect the comics to use special relitivity, superman would getdenser as he approached light speed.
[23:27:29] <Blackmoore> so i guess that's why batman is smartter.
[23:27:35] <chromas> :-D
[23:28:15] <Woods> lol
[23:28:33] <Blackmoore> (for cripes sake you tell me that Superman can THINK near light speed, and then he just goes around puching things?)
[23:29:13] <Blackmoore> Flash on the other hand should be a surgeon.
[23:29:40] <chromas> Like a plastic surgeon?
[23:29:46] <chromas> "Made with Macromedia"
[23:29:56] <Blackmoore> "well i see you have cancer.. ok, what do you want to do with this tumor i just removed?
[23:30:34] <chromas> He'd charge you by the millisecond
[23:33:20] <Blackmoore> nah, he's just taking care of 10 patiens at the same time.
[23:33:41] <chromas> Ah, bulk rate
[23:34:10] <arti> dr manhattan status?
[23:34:41] <Woods> The SR-71 could almost fly at light speed...
[23:34:48] <arti> lol
[23:35:54] <Woods> Whoops... The Boeing X-51 went mach 5 for 210 second...
[23:36:25] <Woods> IN atmosphere. Strange, I do not remember Earth being vaporized at any point.
[23:38:45] <Blackmoore> *hands out a copy of "up-goer five"
[23:44:22] <Blackmoore> or perhaps this
[23:44:23] <Blackmoore> http://what-if.xkcd.com
[23:44:53] <Woods> Indeed
[23:57:26] <Woods> Aight, I am out, later fellas.
[23:57:34] <arti> enjoy your weekend
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[23:57:44] <arti> fek, brush fire on the wind