#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-07

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[00:11:24] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - EuroBSDcon 2014 Call for Papers - http://sylnt.us - have-your-say
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[01:32:23] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Ham Video Premiers on Space Station - http://sylnt.us - taps-screen-'Is-this-thing-on?'
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[01:37:42] <michealpwalls> Well that was an uneventful first day hehe
[01:44:04] <paulej72> I believe we need to be a political site rather than a tech site. The politics that does get through get so many more comments :)
[01:46:00] <michealpwalls> I was thinking after reading a suggestion (I can't remember where, maybe on the Wiki) about tech-only will lead to burn-out and thought of that ^
[01:46:19] <michealpwalls> That it should be a topic-neutral site that has different catagories? :/
[01:46:29] <michealpwalls> could, at least :P
[01:46:59] <SirFinkus> I think a mix of tech, science, tech politics and super major political news would be ok
[01:47:26] <paulej72> I know we are trying to not be tech only but if you look at the comment counts on hard science and tech they are ususally the lowest. Site news and politics (any dirt) gets much higher counts.
[01:47:35] <SirFinkus> major political news should have a tech slant though
[01:47:50] <SirFinkus> or science one
[01:47:54] <michealpwalls> Esp. if we let users control it in their prefs... So if user x does not want to see any political / tech articles they can control that
[01:48:47] <michealpwalls> You make a good point, paulej72 :)
[01:49:26] <SirFinkus> I'm more interested in the hard sciency and techy stuff, but It's more difficult to make a good comment on them
[01:49:34] <michealpwalls> True ^
[01:50:01] <michealpwalls> Esp. when it's a report of new findings. The most you can ever say sometimes is "Wow, that's potentially cool for ___ reason" but at that point... where does the discussion go?
[01:50:25] <michealpwalls> With Politics.. Oh my. It never ends because you simply *cannot* change somebody's opinion on politics yet everybody wants to try hehe
[01:50:42] <swiss> i'm so mad at apple right now
[01:50:47] <paulej72> At least we could have the “how long till this becomes a product I can buy” post
[01:50:49] <swiss> so i need to reinstall mavericks on my mac mini
[01:50:49] <SirFinkus> well, you can though
[01:50:49] <swiss> so i use my old HDD on there to boot recovery partition
[01:50:49] <swiss> but it can't install mavericks... because apple changed their cert
[01:50:54] <michealpwalls> When am I not mad at Apple? :)
[01:51:04] <swiss> and the old cert seems to be hardcoded
[01:51:10] <michealpwalls> I don't get mad really, I just take it all as satire.
[01:51:14] <swiss> and i get errors where it can't communicate
[01:51:20] <swiss> oh, in general I love my little mac mini
[01:51:21] <SirFinkus> my mind has been changed on many political issues, it just isn't an overnight thing
[01:51:31] <SirFinkus> you don't win an internet argument and convince someone
[01:51:33] <swiss> best hardware of that size in 2009
[01:51:52] <paulej72> swiss: you should be able to restart and get the into thre recovery mode to do it over the net.
[01:52:00] <swiss> paulej72: that's the one that is missing thecert
[01:52:01] <michealpwalls> Apple engineers really nice machines, generally speaking :)
[01:52:12] <paulej72> OH
[01:52:22] <swiss> well
[01:52:25] <SirFinkus> on my rmbp, if I do internet recovery it'll start me on lion because that's what it shipped with
[01:52:28] <paulej72> do you have another Mac handy swiss
[01:52:35] <SirFinkus> then I have to upgrade
[01:52:38] <swiss> paulej72: my brother does, waiting for him to get home
[01:52:42] <swiss> then he can make me a usb
[01:52:44] <SirFinkus> just burn a usb installer
[01:52:51] <SirFinkus> ^
[01:53:09] <paulej72> swiss I have a USB with maverics on it that I use all of the time.
[01:53:18] <swiss> nice
[01:53:35] <swiss> i mean, i like my mac mini, it only runs Plex now
[01:53:47] <paulej72> THere is a tool called diskmakerx that will put it on a usb key
[01:53:50] <swiss> maybe i should just install winderp on it for plex + steam
[01:54:57] <paulej72> swiss apple probably changed the cert for Hearbleed
[01:58:14] <paulej72> time for food be back later
[02:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, look... this is soylent news not fox news. we go pandering with stories picked for their propensity to incite rage and we're no better than the MSM.
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[02:50:21] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Humans and Squids Evolved the Same Eyes - http://sylnt.us - but-you-never-see-a-squid-wearing-spectacles
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[04:03:45] * NCommander really realyl hates life
[04:04:16] <SpallsHurgenson> even the bits with cheesecake?
[04:10:57] * SpallsHurgenson likes those bits
[04:21:29] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Silk Road 2.0 Now Larger than the Original - http://sylnt.us - Parthian-Kings-of-Kings
[05:00:15] <chromas> I wonder who came up with the idea that dogs pee on each other's pee to 'mark their territory'. Dogs can't be so dumb as to think the next dog won't do the same thing they just did
[05:00:36] <chromas> I bet dogs think of it as signing a guestbook
[05:00:48] <Konomi> I currently have a doggy in my room
[05:00:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't know about the urination thing, but in my experience dogs /are/ that dumb
[05:01:00] <chromas> Stop and see who else has been there and then put your name on the list
[05:01:00] <Konomi> I started humming the mario brothers pipe underground / whatever theme
[05:01:10] <Konomi> he looked up gave me a glare and went back to sleep ;_;
[05:02:38] <chromas> It's probably because you were humming the Mario 64 version but he thinks only the classic S/NES version is any good
[05:06:25] * SpallsHurgenson disables youtube DASH playback
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[05:22:54] * cykros contemplates ordering some soylent...
[05:23:31] <cykros> my biggest curiosity though is how full you feel after drinking soylent.
[05:26:00] <cykros> jeez, 10-12 weeks to ship? nevermind i guess
[05:26:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm no longer curious about new foods.
[05:30:21] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Only One Top Banker in Jail for Financial Crisis - http://sylnt.us - Paper-Tigers
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[05:49:49] <SirFinkus> I have another coupon for buy one get one free ribeye, guess I'm making philly cheesesteaks again
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[06:09:52] <SirFinkus> lol rt http://i.imgur.com
[06:10:07] <SirFinkus> losing any pretense of objectivity
[06:10:29] * chromas ^H's computer has AIDS now and blames NCommander because ubuntu
[06:11:12] <chromas> They need a bigger wall
[06:13:04] <SirFinkus> well, I was referring to the ribbon
[06:14:32] <SirFinkus> hmm, they're all wearing one
[06:15:34] <chromas> Oh now I see it. On phone because firefox won't run now, among many others
[06:17:04] <SirFinkus> "The channel is government-funded but shapes its editorial policy free from political and commercial influence." yeah, ok
[06:18:56] <chromas> Maybe they're only under the influence of gunpoint
[06:19:21] <chromas> Say this is we'll shoot your bacon
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[06:30:44] <arti> evening
[06:33:17] <chromas> Hey it's evening here too arti
[06:34:12] <arti> :D
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[06:39:19] * arti tips hat
[06:44:02] <chromas> MrBluze: still having connection issues?
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[07:09:13] <chromas> He was having trouble staying connected the other day
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[08:16:40] * chromas blew away his linux install without noting how luks devices are made to appear in /dev/mapper and would like to formally request a dunce hat
[08:31:37] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - FBI: We Need Wiretap-Ready Web Sites - Now - http://sylnt.us - Force-Broken-Internet
[08:35:30] <chromas> They'll tap anything they can get their hands on. So were pretty sure they're mammals, even if not human
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[08:54:53] <SirFinkus> [23:54:24] <@NerdRPG> SirFinkus has dealt arti a Critical Strike! 0 days, 16:43:56 is added to arti's clock. haha
[08:56:59] <arti> pbnjoe [219/497] has challenged arti [75/512] and taken them in combat! 1 day, 06:05:07 is removed from pbnjoe's clock.
[08:57:03] <arti> been getting worked
[08:58:24] <arti> although i did a quest and 25% of the burden was eliminated, like minutes after i leveled, 14 * .25 = 3.5d
[09:03:44] <ar> at least you're not getting 5 godsends on the last day to the next level, each of which bringing you maaaaaybe 15m closer
[09:04:14] * arti is used to stuff happening on the last day
[09:04:16] <ar> and your items aren't getting stolen
[09:04:19] <arti> lol
[09:04:42] <arti> YOINK
[09:05:48] <ar> SirFinkus: Yes, I'm looking at you right there!
[09:06:02] <SirFinkus> did I steal something from you?
[09:06:04] * SirFinkus checks logs
[09:06:09] <ar> 171116 | @ NerdRPG | SirFinkus stole arachnist's level 90 Linus's final bug-free Ready for the Desktop version of Linux while they were sleeping! SirFinkus leaves their old level 76 Linus's final bug-free Ready for the Desktop version of Linux behind, which arachnist then takes.
[09:06:18] <SirFinkus> looool
[09:06:56] <SirFinkus> you were asking about it
[09:07:12] <SirFinkus> *for it
[09:07:47] <ar> steal something from kobach maybe? ;)
[09:08:20] <arti> i wonder what the record for highest hits is
[09:08:36] <arti> this would be a good idea for a stats page
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[10:02:06] <arti> Subsentient: did stackoverflow provide answers
[10:21:36] <Subsentient> arti: YES
[10:21:41] <Subsentient> yes
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[10:21:44] <Subsentient> sry capslock
[10:22:04] * arti interpreted it as an entusiastic affirmation
[10:22:28] <arti> s/entusiastic/enthusiastic/
[10:22:28] <SedBot> <arti> interpreted it as an enthusiastic affirmation
[10:22:53] <Subsentient> yeah it was me believing that somewhere declarations for incomplete types were prohibited, when the truth is that the big restriction is simply not being able to 'use' incomplete types when the size is required. Since size is unnecessary for an external declaration, you are allowed to use it.
[10:26:06] <arti> interesting trivia
[10:30:58] <SirFinkus> fuck it, I'm switching back to safari
[10:31:10] <arti> wat
[10:31:11] <SirFinkus> the firefox devs still haven't fixed the scrolling shit
[10:31:19] <arti> "scrolling shit"?
[10:31:35] <arti> do things smear when you scroll or something?
[10:31:45] <SirFinkus> stupid bug on osx, scrolling will stop working randomly until you restart the browser
[10:31:57] <SirFinkus> introduced 2 versions ago, still not fixed
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[10:35:26] <arti> :|
[11:42:00] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Russia Demands $3.8B Security Payment from VISA - http://sylnt.us - Russian-Business-Network
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[12:29:23] <Brylarke> Morning
[12:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> I hate it when I'm being all awesome in a dream and kick the shit out of something only to find out it translated to my end table outside the dream.
[12:30:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
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[12:39:39] <HwS> I take it SN is down?
[12:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> you take it wrong
[12:41:00] <HwS> I can't reach the site. No response when I ping it
[12:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> peachy keen by me
[12:41:24] <Brylarke> Works for me
[12:41:34] <HwS> Hmmm ...
[12:41:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> what do you get as an ip?
[12:42:14] <HwS> 198.58.121.23
[12:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> traceroute then. you've likely got a broken link along the way
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[12:44:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin crutchy
[12:44:52] <HwS> it stalls after 64.15.2.13
[12:45:03] <HwS> Part of my ISP's network
[12:46:13] <HwS> Part of the home page displayed now, but a refresh timed out
[12:46:13] <crutchy> evening all
[12:46:23] <HwS> Thanks guys
[12:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> peering difficulty at your isp or whoever they're peered with for that route then. looks like it's being worked on though.
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[12:48:01] <HwS> I rarely have any issues with my ISP. I guess I shouldn't complain (but I will)
[12:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, everyone needs a hobby.
[12:49:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> try a proxy/vpn/tor if it's really getting on your tits
[12:50:33] <HwS> I'm watching a 1TB drive format, which is draaaaaaging on. I was hoping that would be my hobby today.
[12:50:41] <HwS> Looks like I'm branching out
[12:51:18] <HwS> no problems with a proxy or Tor
[12:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> score
[12:53:19] <HwS> Let's see ... which one to read first ... FBI wiretaps or Russian extortion ...
[12:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'm going to move my shat off the two 1tb drives and onto one 3tb drive soon.
[12:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't decide if i want to raid0 or raid1 the 1tb drives after though.
[12:56:13] <HwS> What will you be using them for?
[12:56:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could switch to btrfs and use them for file striping+parity
[12:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> part of what i haven't decided. i don't really need them for backup because they're closer to MTBF than a new one would be.
[12:58:16] <HwS> Long term detached storage?
[12:58:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of a speedup from striping wouldn't hurt though and i could always drop that and convert them to overflow later.
[12:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe, or capped storage so i don't try to save every bit of porn/tv/etc... i come across.
[13:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i really don't need to keep every episode of charles in charge for all time.
[13:03:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> or i could usb them onto a raspberry pi and stop having to use nfs
[13:03:49] <HwS> Are you sure? Would you really want to have to try to find a lost ep of CiC?
[13:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fine for media streaming but can be a pain for loading mame roms
[13:04:36] <HwS> I'm sure Willy Aames is probably on a lawn chair in front of his house selling bootleg DVDs, but that could be a long drive unless you're in his neighborhood
[13:04:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think once every couple decades is enough to watch most 80s sitcoms
[13:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> except the a-team and family ties of course
[13:05:32] <HwS> Does that mean you don't watch the 'Turkeys Can Fly' episode of WKRP every Thanksgiving?
[13:05:47] <HwS> I haven't seen FT in a long time
[13:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. listen to alice's restaurant
[13:06:07] <HwS> MJF really made a name for himself
[13:06:16] <HwS> 8x10 glossies, et al?
[13:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. plus nick wanting Lola by the Kinks played at his and malorie's wedding.
[13:07:26] <HwS> Ah, yes ...
[13:07:54] <HwS> Not much of a career for any of the child actors on that show except for MJF
[13:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. launched him pretty well though.
[13:08:21] <HwS> But he made a big enough splash for the lot of them
[13:08:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> even had a made for tv movie with joan jett. how do ya beat that?
[13:08:51] <HwS> yes indeed. I thought Teen Wolf would sink him but he recovered quite well
[13:09:07] <HwS> Light of Day?
[13:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[13:09:42] <HwS> I have that song in my permanent playlist in iTunes
[13:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should. she needs to come sing me to sleep every night, vegetarian lesbian or not.
[13:10:47] <HwS> is there a website where we sign up for that service?
[13:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> there should be
[13:11:43] <stdhell> jjbooking.com?
[13:12:55] <HwS> looks like a full service site to me!
[13:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot can fully blame MJF for my capitalistic ideals too
[13:13:41] <stdhell> Guess I was wrong.
[13:18:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> funny thing about him, he looked exactly the same from his 20s to his 40s
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[13:27:06] <HwS> He has aged very well
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[13:41:30] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Report Says Global Warming Impact Already Severe - http://sylnt.us - Hot-under-the-Collar
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[14:01:59] <crutchy> hello
[14:02:45] <stdhell> world
[14:05:57] <HwS> Springfield
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[14:08:04] <MrBluze> hello
[14:08:16] <stdhell> world
[14:08:21] <MrBluze> which
[14:08:33] <MrBluze> I
[14:08:36] <MrBluze> created
[14:08:53] <stdhell> in a terrible blogging accident.
[14:09:01] <MrBluze> while drunk
[14:09:08] <stdhell> Same thing...
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[14:09:20] <MrBluze> different day
[14:11:28] <stdhell> Same bat time! Same bat channel!
[14:11:32] <MrBluze> http://rt.com
[14:12:03] <MrBluze> i'd move south if i was in europe
[14:12:17] <MrBluze> actually, south if i was anywhere
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[14:23:50] <MrBluze> 'lo weeds
[14:24:55] <weeds> "just another day for you and me in paradise"
[14:24:59] <weeds> Good Morning
[14:26:11] <MrBluze> morning
[14:32:51] <MrBluze> my day was hell :) gnite all
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[14:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> is it national phil collins week or something? he's been cropping up with an uncanny frequency.
[14:38:41] <weeds> sorry to hear that MrBluze. Have a better tomorrow!
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[14:39:09] <weeds> TheMightyBuzzard: just heard it on the way in...
[14:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, clearchannel's fault then probably
[14:39:33] <michealpwalls> 'morning, everyone :)
[14:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[14:39:54] <crutchy> fucking stupid interblags
[14:40:35] <crutchy> evenin
[14:40:57] <michealpwalls> hehe
[14:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn. i must've just dreamed that torrent finished.
[14:41:18] <michealpwalls> Oh speaking of Torrent
[14:41:19] <michealpwalls> God damnit!
[14:41:26] <michealpwalls> LMAO I put my laptop to sleep :(
[14:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, and here i made it so mine won't sleep no matter what i do.
[14:43:48] <michealpwalls> hah my friend in college has his setup that way
[14:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sleep has just never worked right with everything, so i avoid it entirely.
[14:45:15] <michealpwalls> What OS do you run?
[14:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> arch linux on it at the moment. has been win7, debian, and mint as well. was speaking in general though rather than for just that laptop.
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[14:46:40] <michealpwalls> Oh!
[14:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor crutchy
[14:47:35] <michealpwalls> It took me a while to get the power management working right on this laptop..
[14:48:03] <michealpwalls> Was having terrible issues on linux and limited issues on Windows too. Turns out it was the fucking UEFI. Had to update it
[14:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> uefi can eat a dick too imo
[14:48:51] <michealpwalls> LOL
[14:48:59] <michealpwalls> A whole big bag of dicks!
[14:49:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's nice in theory but then so is socialism. in practice both end up telling you wtf you're allowed to do far too much.
[14:49:57] <michealpwalls> haha
[14:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly though i keep my laptop on so i can fold it up in the corner and ssh into it without having to go through the whole bother of getting it out.
[14:53:02] <michealpwalls> I have desktops to serve that role.. Although they don't anymore 'cause now the kids use them to emulate video games (dull)
[14:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if i want to pick up reading an ebook i was reading on it, ssh -X decepticon 'ebook-viewer /path/to/book', and i'm right back at the page I was on.
[14:53:53] <michealpwalls> I do just about *everything* from my laptop now, LOL. The damned family has taken over all my other machiens :(
[14:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[14:54:25] <michealpwalls> Yea, I just lug the physical laptop everywhere I go ^
[14:54:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i couldn't manage that. need my model-m keyboard and proper mouse.
[14:55:03] <michealpwalls> A lot of the times I get to a workspot, I unhook whatever machine is there and attach the keyboard and monitor to my laptop
[14:55:06] <michealpwalls> hehe
[14:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> much better. if you have a ssd in it you could almost get it to pass as a real computer like that.
[14:55:48] <michealpwalls> haha
[14:56:07] <michealpwalls> It's got debian, arch and win7 on it. Arch's fucked though I gave up half way through
[14:56:14] <michealpwalls> couldn't find the time, just installed debian instead hehehe
[14:56:42] <michealpwalls> I had a fucking *beautiful* Gentoo setup... Although Windows 8 destroyed it :(
[14:56:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[14:57:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> arch and i get along fantastic though it is a pain to set up initially.
[14:58:19] <michealpwalls> Yea Arch and Gentoo are my preferred distros, with Debian close behind (Only as I grow more and more lazy and just can't be arsed anymore LOL)
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[14:58:52] <michealpwalls> I like them all, really... Except for Mandrake. Also Mint is silly.
[14:59:20] <michealpwalls> But other than that, mostly they've all got a lot of benefits to them. Fedora/RedHat's yum is really nice IMHO (Although that could spark an apt vs rpm holywar haha)
[14:59:22] <Woods> What are... Linux distros?
[14:59:30] <michealpwalls> Woods: Like Eskimos, really.
[14:59:30] <Woods> Oh boo yah
[15:00:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> mint wanting you to back up and reinstall every few months can just suck it
[15:00:28] <michealpwalls> I'll put my diplomacy hat on and say... The reason *i* like yum/rpm better than apt is that yum is a complete, robust wrapper for the *entire* suite.. You can do everything from yum. If you're stuck, man yum.
[15:00:41] <michealpwalls> With apt... It's spread apart amongst 10 different utilities.. each with their own manual...
[15:00:51] <michealpwalls> So if you get stuck... Hopefully you remember what util you shoudl be using and man xyz :)
[15:00:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, s'why i dig pacman or yaourt
[15:01:39] <michealpwalls> apt-get, apt-cache, apt-key... Then if they fail you, you have to use dpk directly sometimes and then clean-up with the apt tools.. I hate that workflow.
[15:01:53] <michealpwalls> With yum.. Seriously. Yum is everything LOL. You can do the searches, the install and the cleanup all from yum
[15:02:34] <michealpwalls> Yea pacman is cool. Also emerge is really cool! With the emerge overlays it makes things way easier than a lot of people expect to be on Gentoo
[15:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
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[15:06:20] <crutchy> :-(
[15:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, poor you.
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[15:11:31] <Bytram> michealpwalls: I'm unfamiliar with apt, but curious, is there not a simple "apt" command and/or man page that gives pointers to each of the other commands (apt-get, apt-cache, etc.)?
[15:12:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not really. There are online docs that cover it all but the man pages are a spread-out cluster fuck.
[15:13:20] <Bytram> blegh. Sense no makes.
[15:13:36] <elf_mobile> Soylent news question...how do you add friends? And can you private message?
[15:13:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. the gui interfaces are much better though.
[15:13:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> elf_mobile, one sec and no.
[15:14:33] <Bytram> novell had a really nice networking client, but it had a separate command for everything. For all its warts, microsoft did things right with lan manager: there was a central command under which all utilities could be accessed.
[15:15:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i don't remember how
[15:16:20] <Bytram> elf_mobile: to add friends, there's a couple ways to do it. I've got a link to the faq on it somewhere.
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[15:17:27] <michealpwalls> Bytram: Yea. There's a lot to be said for unified tools :/
[15:17:53] <elf_mobile> Thanks, its not very obvious on the website
[15:18:00] <michealpwalls> Bytram: Aptitude is the best way to go in an APT system, in my opinion. Aptitude is a high-level wrapper for all of the tools. It's similar to yum
[15:18:40] <Brylarke> If I ever need to use apt that much then I'm probably doing something wrong
[15:18:43] <michealpwalls> last time I was on an Ubuntu system, Aptitude was marked deprecated though. Not sure wth that's all about :/
[15:19:02] <michealpwalls> Brylarke: Too black/white.
[15:19:09] <Brylarke> Hah
[15:19:15] <michealpwalls> You can't admin a linux system without using apt for very far in my experience..
[15:19:18] <michealpwalls> hehe
[15:19:25] <Brylarke> I'm not adminning a linux system though
[15:19:31] <michealpwalls> Err... a debian-based linux system haha
[15:19:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[15:20:32] <Bytram> elf_mobile: In the "Navigation" slashbox on the left-hand-side, there is a "FAQ" link. Click that.
[15:21:11] <Bytram> elf_mobile: there's a section "What are Friends and Foes?" which, in turn, has a link. that goes to: http://soylentnews.org
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[15:21:41] <michealpwalls> Jesus getObject and loadObject (Slash::Utility::Environment) is fucking insane. What the hell's the point?
[15:21:45] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Emails Shed Light on Google's Work With NSA - http://sylnt.us - coerced-sounds-funny-when-you-say-it-a-lot
[15:21:48] <michealpwalls> Why can't we just directly instantiate objects?!
[15:21:48] <michealpwalls> :/
[15:21:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah i don't really miss the bad old days of "tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz; cd blah; ./configure; make; sudo make install" as package management
[15:22:26] <michealpwalls> I like autoconf/automake
[15:22:38] <Brylarke> I like not having to make stuff
[15:22:40] <michealpwalls> Although.. haha again, lazyness :/
[15:22:49] <elf_mobile> Ah...found it...not really obvious :)
[15:22:51] <michealpwalls> I just want to get it and use it as fast as possible :/
[15:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> so do i if i have to build from source but package management if there's no make uninstall is a right cunt
[15:23:09] <Brylarke> Indeed
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[15:24:24] <Bytram> elf_mobile: the easiest thing to do, I've found, is if you're reading a comment by "foo", there's an icon next to the name; click that and you can directly change your relationship with that user.
[15:24:47] <Bytram> elf_mobile: there is a list of icons at the bottom of the friends FAQ.
[15:25:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do the same from their profile page too
[15:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just not very intuitive
[15:27:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: agreed. I usually find that I want to change the relationship in response to a comment I saw them post. If I recognize the nick, then I'll just click the icon near their comment. OTOH, I may realize that I've never made a relationship with someone, and then finding their profile page is the easier approach.
[15:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't really bother with making anyone a foe. even a complete douche occasionally says something worth reading. friends are worth tracking journals n such though.
[15:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, if we added a default, empty journal entry for everyone, you could at least have a public messaging system outside the articles.
[15:30:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how would that work?
[15:31:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can leave comments on journal entries same as articles
[15:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> like hop over to NCommander's journal, find his initial generic entry, tell him you found a sql injection vector or that he's a jerk or whatever.
[15:32:32] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yes, that's true. But, carrying on a conversation... "Reply"s would go kind of deep, no?
[15:33:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: and if you wanted to start another conversation? Hmm, do a reply to the (empty) journal article, instead of to one of the existing comments?
[15:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, would work better with the collapsable comments userscript
[15:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> right-o
[15:34:33] <Bytram> I suppose it *could* work, but it sounds like quite the kludge.
[15:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically a ghetto facebook wall without all the cruft, yep.
[15:35:12] <Bytram> requires a common, meta, understanding of how to misuse the journal system.
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[15:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> misusing tech is a pretty common trait among readers though. i think they could get it.
[15:35:52] <Bytram> oops, brb, apk
[15:37:16] <Bytram> i'm back
[15:37:30] <Bytram> laundry day and had to check the drier
[15:39:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: agreed. I've committed a few of those myself. And, if I may so, achieved some specatacular results, too. =)
[15:39:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i need to go finish mowing the yard soon myself before it ends up needing mowed at different times of the week.
[15:39:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I've often thought of putting GPS on a little tractor that pulled the mower around behind it.
[15:40:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking of using the guts of an RC car, some stout dc motors, and a car battery rigged up to a push mower.
[15:40:52] <Bytram> for safety sak, instead of using metal blades, have it pull along a specially-mounted weedwacker (or three in overlapping swatchs)
[15:42:31] <Bytram> even without the GPS, could use the RC controls to steer the thing and one could just run a glorified video game; try to get the highest score (i.e. beat your best time for mosing)
[15:42:35] <Bytram> s/mosing/mowing/
[15:42:35] <SedBot> <Bytram> even without the GPS, could use the RC controls to steer the thing and one could just run a glorified video game; try to get the highest score (i.e. beat your best time for mowing)
[15:42:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe two batteries and skip the whole internal combustion engine part too.
[15:43:05] <Blackmoore> TheMightyBuzzard: heck, you may as well get an electric lawnmower, and strap on a controler.
[15:43:15] <Bytram> put a web cam on the front of the tractor for a FPS view. =)
[15:43:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, maybe a airsoft gun or two mounted to the front too.
[15:43:56] <Blackmoore> EIther run it from your PC by wifi, or give it the pathing on the local device.
[15:44:06] <Bytram> Blackmoore: Yeah, but I was thinking about safety concerns with the possibility of little kids or pets coming into the area; weedwhacker might hurt, but would not cause any grevious injury.
[15:44:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: LOL!!!!!
[15:44:27] <Bytram> that would keep the kids and pets at bay!
[15:44:27] <Blackmoore> Saftey concerns?! :P
[15:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> fenced yard and pets would be deathly afraid of it.
[15:44:47] <Bytram> laundry is done, back in a few minutes.
[15:44:48] <Blackmoore> add a Jart launcher
[15:45:00] <Bytram> OUCH!!!!!
[15:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i miss jarts
[15:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned hippies and their safety bullshit
[15:45:21] <Bytram> a couple Estes rockets for the persistent pest?
[15:45:36] <Woods> Hilarious protip: Replace j with f.
[15:45:52] <Woods> Yes, I am 12.
[15:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i think airsoft so you can shoot your friends while you're showing off your awesome toy.
[15:46:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> or paintball
[15:46:22] <Blackmoore> paintbals.
[15:46:40] <Blackmoore> definately the paintballs.
[15:46:47] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[15:47:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i'd get to program micro controllers. always fun.
[15:49:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well. that's another day. today it's manual.
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[15:57:29] <Bytram> i'm back.
[15:58:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: for phase 1, just need a 140db siren. that'll scare 'em away.
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[16:06:33] <Blackmoore> mmm.. can i just blast classical music at 140db?
[16:06:59] <Blackmoore> NIght at bald mountian?
[16:07:18] <Blackmoore> 1812 oveture?
[16:19:31] * Bytram likes the sound of cannons in that!
[16:19:56] <mrcoolbp> da da da da da da da da da da BOOM!
[16:20:41] * Bytram imagines the sound of crows cawing at 140db
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[16:26:40] <Blackmoore> (oh the chaos i could cause with an RC unit and 140db sound system)
[16:28:46] <Blackmoore> have it hide under cars in the parking lot.. make it sound like someone is locked in the trunk..
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[16:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mowing break. tried barefoot, stepped on a bee.
[16:47:54] <weeds> not a power mower...
[16:48:36] <weeds> I hope
[16:50:52] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - More Middle Initials Make You Seem Smarter - http://sylnt.us - John-J-J-Schmidt
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[16:56:58] <Blackmoore> OUCH
[16:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. i don't sweat the occasional rock and i'm not dumb enough to run over my own foot.
[16:58:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> seeing a black and yellow bee on a yellow flower in time to not step on it though, that's another story entirely.
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[17:02:23] <weeds> TheMightyBuzzard: the occasional rock at high speed can do a lot of damage to a bare foot! Bee careful! My brother once sent a rock through a window....
[17:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, as long as bees are out i'll be wearing shoes. hate wasting tobacco on a toe when it's much better in the lungs.
[17:07:51] <weeds> what?
[17:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> moist tobacco breaks down the bee venom pretty quickly.
[17:08:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno the chemistry, just that it works.
[17:09:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> brb
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[17:09:36] <Woods> I can vouch for that statement.
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[17:11:21] <weeds> Never heard that before, +1 interesting
[17:13:03] <michealpwalls> Hrmm!
[17:13:06] <michealpwalls> Interesting!
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[17:16:33] <Blackmoore> I'll have to remeber that. i get stung at least once a year.
[17:17:42] <Blackmoore> TheMightyBuzzard: does the type of tobbacco matter? (pipe or chew) i would bother with ciggarettes as that has a lot of processing crap in it
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[17:18:15] <weeds> http://www.snopes.com
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[17:18:27] <weeds> just sayin'
[17:18:42] <Subsentient> The date for the wiretap-ready article is 2012, which is pre-Snowden./
[17:19:07] <Subsentient> We need much greater scrutiny for accepted stories. I can't believe that kind of goof made it to front page.
[17:19:17] <Subsentient> I'm sure nobody will delete it, but it needs to be removed from the front page/
[17:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard_> Blackmoore, not as far as i know. I use pipe tobacco for rolling cigarettes, so just used it.
[17:21:21] <Blackmoore> weeds: I usually use vinegar to disolve the stinger. not really a cure. but better than poking arond withy tweezers
[17:21:38] <Subsentient> NCommander:
[17:22:02] <Subsentient> May 4, 2012 9:24 AM PDT
[17:22:14] <Subsentient> http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:51] <Subsentient> $burrito NCommander
[17:23:51] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at NCommander
[17:23:57] <Subsentient> $burrito LaminatorX
[17:23:57] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at LaminatorX
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[22:35:03] * NC|DeadLaptop despises a things technoogy ATM
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[22:39:27] * NC|DeadLaptop pies MrBluze !
[22:40:35] <MrBluze> pies :)
[22:40:39] <MrBluze> deadlaptop?
[22:41:48] <MrBluze> u killed the chromebook?
[22:42:02] * MrBluze despises allergies to latex atm
[22:42:03] <paulej72> can someone explain this?
[22:42:05] <paulej72> next unless $SB->{ordernum} && $SB->{ordernum} && $SB->{ordernum} > 0;
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[22:42:37] <MrBluze> unless there are not 3 ordernum's left?
[22:42:47] <MrBluze> but shouldnt there be brackets?
[22:43:51] <Blackmoore> well you are checking to see if all cases are true, so if A and B and C then true.
[22:44:02] <paulej72> this is to kick out of a while loop, but ti looks to me it cheks for the existance of the ordernum then again then if the positive
[22:44:03] <Blackmoore> not (a and b) and c
[22:44:27] <paulej72> but in this case A and B are the same check
[22:44:28] <NC|DeadLaptop> MrBluze: it just uped and died on me
[22:44:52] <paulej72> NC|DeadLaptop: thats HP for ya :P
[22:45:05] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: I'm borrowing my mom's tobisha at the moment
[22:45:09] <Blackmoore> but this line sucks. since a=b=c.
[22:45:32] <SirFinkus> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk
[22:45:37] <SirFinkus> oh man, this guy has one hell of a jaw
[22:46:09] <MrBluze> NC|DeadLaptop: that sucks
[22:46:24] <MrBluze> and it's a SD drive
[22:46:29] <MrBluze> are u being targeted?
[22:46:48] <Blackmoore> and then there is the >0 so after you do a LOGICAL operation you are doigng what?
[22:46:53] * MrBluze has never had an SD die that wasnt plugged into the internet ;)
[22:47:34] <MrBluze> paulej72: i think it's looking ahead and stopping
[22:48:39] <paulej72> Blackmoore: -> is perl’s object operator so $SB->{ordernum} means give me the ordernum var from $SB object
[22:48:48] <Blackmoore> so. yeah. the line is a bunch of crap. the logical test is garbage. either $SB->{ordernum}>0 or if !($SB->{ordernum}<0)
[22:49:02] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: is that from slash?
[22:49:19] <paulej72> NC|DeadLaptop: damn right it is from slash
[22:49:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that bit of code basically shortens to unless $SB->{ordernum} > 0
[22:49:28] * MrBluze thinks we really need to find a way to encrypt the whole internet
[22:49:59] <paulej72> the issue is ordernum may be null and that is what the first test is for.
[22:50:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> should really be written as $SB->{ordernum} != 0 or defined $SB->{ordernum}
[22:50:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, the first and second.
[22:50:50] <paulej72> not sure what perl will spit out if when it check if null > 0
[22:50:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:51:21] <MrBluze> i thought perl was awesome and brilliant and shits all over php etc
[22:51:34] <MrBluze> seems no better just harder to decipher
[22:51:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally it's going to break. but if if's either > 0 or undef, defined $SB->{ordernum} is all the test you need.
[22:52:42] <paulej72> it can be less than zero null or greater than 0
[22:52:52] <MrBluze> gotta run, tata
[22:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is almost the same but not quite as $SB->{ordernum} by itself.
[22:52:56] <MrBluze> sorry about laptop NC
[22:53:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[22:53:11] <paulej72> or zero
[22:53:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> that should read next unless defined $SB->{ordernum} && $SB->{ordernum} > 0;
[22:53:43] <MrBluze> paulej72: at least u can say that line was definitely done by a human
[22:54:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, yep, it has an error in it
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[22:54:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> is almost always a bad idea to use $var when you mean to see if it is defined
[22:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if var == any false value it evaluates to false.
[22:56:18] <paulej72> here is the sub https://github.com
[22:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i guess would cover "$var > 0" also but i'd have to check.
[22:57:20] * NC|DeadLaptop notes this laptop is a serious POS
[22:57:23] <NC|DeadLaptop> But at least it works
[22:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's just wrong. drop the middle one and it's exactly the same with one less comparison.
[22:58:04] <NC|DeadLaptop> 1.3 Ghz, 3 GIB of RAM
[22:58:07] <NC|DeadLaptop> BIg HDD though
[22:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, mine's a 1.5 with 2G and plenty of storage.
[22:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis painful but less so if you have openbox as your wm
[23:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me. i need to build a null modem cable to get the ebooks off my old pentium 133 laptop some day.
[23:00:54] <NC|DeadLaptop> TheMightyBuzzard: fun
[23:01:01] * NC|DeadLaptop is going to see if this system can start Ubuntu from USB key
[23:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> is kinda
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[23:17:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: just pull the drive and use a ide to usb adapter
[23:17:24] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you have one of thoes right :)
[23:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly a good idea too.
[23:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> null modem cables make me feel all 80s ghetto though.
[23:19:27] <NCommander> OK memetest is running
[23:19:50] <NCommander> I'm debating what I'm going to use the next 3 days for
[23:20:13] <NCommander> maybe port slash to apace 2
[23:20:20] <Bytram|away> NCommander: Hi there!
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[23:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> was that a typo or we actually worried about people welcoming our <blah> overlords?
[23:20:34] <Bytram> sn seems to be hiccupping today;
[23:20:39] <NCommander> I'm on my phone ATM
[23:20:56] <NCommander> bytram ?
[23:21:06] <Bytram> I just tried to load a story and it tool about 1 minute to load
[23:21:15] <Bytram> s/tool/took/
[23:21:15] <SedBot> <Bytram> I just tried to load a story and it took about 1 minute to load
[23:21:27] <Bytram> happened earlier today, but seemed to clear itself up.
[23:21:54] <Bytram> icinga said something about NTP (IIRC) and something else.
[23:22:17] <Bytram> ah.. here it is: "It seems that the "DIG" and "NTP" services were "Critical" ..."
[23:22:22] <paulej72> dev has been acting slow at times as well, I wonder if Linode is having growing pains with the new vms
[23:22:59] <paulej72> NTP is network time protocol, not a really critical service.
[23:23:18] <paulej72> Not sure what DIG is
[23:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> dns tool
[23:23:51] <Bytram> wasn't certain if that was *the* NTP or something else with the same three-letter-acronym. Ok, no problem with that, then.
[23:24:15] <Bytram> to get IP and host info and the like?
[23:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> well dig is way overkill for that but yeah. it can do everything nslookup could do and more.
[23:25:20] <Bytram> I've used dig, but was unsure because it was presented in all caps.
[23:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> guessing myself but since NTP was too... shrug
[23:26:45] <Bytram> I just tried loading another story... and worked just fine.
[23:26:51] <Bytram> go figure.
[23:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. may have to catch it while it's happening and find out with top or iotop
[23:28:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be something as silly as the locate db getting updated.
[23:28:56] <Bytram> could be.
[23:29:57] <Bytram> I'm wondering how isolated our VMs are from others on the same server? We've [been] moved to SSDs and maybe they are seeing so much higher bandwidth to/from storage that some previously okay parameter needs tweaking?
[23:30:49] <Bytram> so a VM that is not ours but on the same box is doing some crazy IO (or computes or whatever) and somehow things are not sandboxed properly, and we get a lag?
[23:31:11] <paulej72> what I really hate is that some parts of slash are normal progaming, and ohters are object orinted.
[23:31:55] <paulej72> why do we have to do this: $self->{_boxes} = {};
[23:32:10] <paulej72> Instead of just $boxes= {};
[23:32:11] <Bytram> paulej72: so, does that mean that there's "normal programming" and "abnormal programming"?
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[23:33:43] <Bytram> paulej72: I dunno, but then again I'm no perl guru. Lacking the $self reference, whose boxes would those be? The explicit reference to $self takes care of that, right?
[23:36:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, perl's just funny like that. some mods are easier to work with OO and some not. you can do either or both at the same time in perl.
[23:36:41] <paulej72> it is inside a sub so any var declared here are belong the sub
[23:37:23] <Bytram> so it's just syntactic sugar? two different ways to refer to the same thing?
[23:37:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ed zackery
[23:38:02] <Bytram> hmmmph! That's *Mr* Ed to you!
[23:38:06] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[23:38:08] <Bytram> =)
[23:39:40] <NCommander> paulej72: cleaning up MySQL.pm?
[23:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> the _ by custom means private variable/sub same as in other stuff, so it could just as well be my $boxes = {}
[23:40:19] <paulej72> NCommander: no just trying to find out where slash screws up slashboxes
[23:40:44] <NCommander> which screwup is this?
[23:41:33] <paulej72> that some of the slashboxes that an AC or new user has disappear when you edit your homepage settings
[23:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> only difference being if you feel the need to overwrite _boxes from code outside that scope, you can do it with $self->{_boxes} more easily than with a my variable that you'd have to type out the scope of.
[23:42:38] <paulej72> some slashboxes are set not to be able to be selected in the prefs, but then they should be on by defult, or why would you create them
[23:43:11] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: then it should not be private :)
[23:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, or it should be and cowboys shouldn't be overwriting it, yep
[23:44:29] <paulej72> wonder what type of overhead this gives?
[23:45:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> {_boxes} vs my $boxes? none. same same.
[23:45:48] <paulej72> ok I know lets make slash modify its own code :)
[23:45:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> eval ftw baby!
[23:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> set the server up as a polymorphic trojan?
[23:46:33] <Blackmoore> code cowboys?
[23:47:12] <Blackmoore> "sorry mam, but we gotta mosey. this here perl script isn't gonna wrangle itself"
[23:48:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, you laugh but my comp sci head was exactly like that. Straw hat, boots, and everything.
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[23:53:49] <paulej72> NC|DeadLaptop: did you just put Ubuntu on that old laptop :)
[23:54:25] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: not quite yet. I'm waiting for my mom to come home so we can back up her files in case something goes horridly wrong with dual-booting
[23:54:36] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: I just ran memtest+ though to make sure everything is kosher
[23:54:54] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: right now, I'm debating what my train project should be, Apache 2.2 porting, porting to postgres, or something else
[23:55:32] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: I dunno, what's on top of our "pressing" list
[23:55:35] <paulej72> SAN checking usre.pl
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[23:55:42] <paulej72> user.pl
[23:55:46] * NC|DeadLaptop gets indigestion
[23:56:50] <paulej72> Oh while I am at it, I have a question NC|DeadLaptop
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[23:57:15] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: shoot
[23:57:41] <paulej72> NC|DeadLaptop: username and password length is currently set at 20 chars in the DB. do we want to increase that and if so by how much?
[23:58:46] <paulej72> acctually it looks like pasword is 32 chrs
[23:58:51] <NC|DeadLaptop> paulej72: password length is currently MD5sum, so that one really doesn't matter THAT much
[23:58:57] <NC|DeadLaptop> For username .... *hrm*
[23:59:15] <NC|DeadLaptop> I'm not against lengthing it, but I rather not see people with 100-200 char names