#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-06

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[00:00:07] <arti> i wiill not eat green eggs and ham
[00:00:29] <arti> i was barely able to contain my glee with that
[00:02:15] <Blackmoore> cykros: I think it's too late to vote.
[00:02:21] <cykros> all good
[00:03:10] <Blackmoore> I would expect a second round at some point.
[00:03:21] <cykros> i just hope the name doesn't change
[00:03:49] <Blackmoore> I don't thing soylent is an option - we dont have the $$$ to deal with MGM.
[00:04:06] <SirFinkus> is soylent copyrighted?
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[00:04:17] <Blackmoore> KINDA
[00:04:18] <cykros> or trademarked for that matter
[00:04:20] <SirFinkus> the soylent guys seem to be using it
[00:04:27] <SirFinkus> do they have a deal?
[00:04:52] <Blackmoore> it is a part of the book "make room Make Room" that MGM made into Soylent gree
[00:04:59] <SirFinkus> yes, I know
[00:05:07] <Blackmoore> and how long is a copyright?
[00:05:19] <arti> depends on the country, doesn't it?
[00:05:21] <cykros> a copyright is long enough so that mickey mouse never gets uncopyrighted
[00:05:29] <cykros> in the US anyway
[00:05:31] <cykros> they keep raising it
[00:05:34] <Blackmoore> and there in lies the problem.
[00:05:53] <cykros> patents otoh may vary by field, but i think the standard is 17 years
[00:06:20] <Blackmoore> so even if the movie FLOPPED. and the term is the equivlent of Kleenex
[00:06:24] <Blackmoore> or xerox
[00:06:24] <SirFinkus> I just want to hear what the soylent guys did
[00:06:39] <SirFinkus> and I think trademarks only count if it could reasonable cause confusion
[00:06:43] <Blackmoore> it just makes you want to strangle a lawyer.
[00:06:50] <SirFinkus> we may be on shakier ground there
[00:07:08] <Blackmoore> I agree SirFinkus.
[00:07:14] <SirFinkus> or maybe not
[00:08:36] <Blackmoore> the cost effective way to deal with it is to grab at some names that dont have a connection to copywrited content.
[00:09:36] <Blackmoore> the Soylent (food product) guys are counting on the connection to the movie to sell the product.
[00:09:53] <Blackmoore> they may be licensing it.
[00:09:57] <Blackmoore> i dont know
[00:10:00] <arti> well they don't own it everywhere
[00:10:09] <arti> when you reg a trademark you pick the area
[00:10:31] <arti> which is why you're able to have companies/products named the same thing in different markets
[00:10:52] <Blackmoore> Or you spend millions over lots of areas. if you have the $$
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[00:15:22] <Blackmoore|afk> gnight!
[00:16:15] <arti> night Blackmoore
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[00:30:59] <arti> alberto!
[00:31:28] <Alberto> arti!
[00:31:29] <Alberto> wazap men
[00:31:59] <arti> how's it going?
[00:32:38] <Alberto> fine
[00:32:50] <Alberto> doing cluster stuff all day
[00:33:02] <Alberto> moving from mySQl to Perconna DB
[00:33:03] <Alberto> :D
[00:33:12] <arti> sounds interesting, bleh
[00:33:30] <arti> db swapping, the application guys must be thrilled
[00:33:37] <Alberto> ye
[00:33:39] <Alberto> and you?
[00:34:14] <arti> refactoring some code
[00:34:22] <Alberto> fun!
[00:34:26] <arti> i made it work last week and now i'm making it work cleanly
[00:34:32] <Alberto> what app?
[00:34:54] <arti> a real estate cms
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[01:13:55] <Alberto> arti, web thing?
[01:14:02] <Alberto> why not use some of the existing?
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[01:16:37] <cykros> wow, i wasn't expecting to get stuck with a 4 digit uid over at pipedot
[01:16:46] <cykros> guess they've got more traffic than i realized
[01:16:56] <cykros> or y'all just signed up just in case :-P
[01:17:07] <arti> :)
[01:17:26] <cykros> i do like their pipecode...makes for a really sleek ui
[01:17:50] <cykros> they did throw the source code up publicly now too...even supports apache 2.0 :-)
[01:19:27] <cykros> the text only captchas are a nice touch too
[01:22:06] <cykros> jeez, only 814 kb of code too
[01:22:12] * arti hasn't had a chance to review yet
[01:22:20] <cykros> i almost want to try firing it up to throw together a discussion site that isn't news related
[01:24:39] <cykros> my ideal discussion site though still revolves around a backend for the content with interchangeable frontends, to allow for a variety of interfaces. something like how one synchronet BBS sysop got vbulletin running on his synchronet message base, allowing for using the bbs interface, nntp or vbulletin (or gopher, or the builtin web interface), all to access the same data
[01:24:46] <cykros> options are nifty :-)
[01:29:00] <Alberto> the code is ugly
[01:29:06] <Alberto> but fast
[01:29:07] <Alberto> :p
[01:31:04] <cykros> heh, and slashcode is pretty? ;-)
[01:31:37] <cykros> i do have a bit of a hatred for JS though...i'd prefer to still be able to use a text based browser.
[01:31:52] <cykros> haven't tried throwing elinks compiled with js support at pipedot yet
[01:32:40] <cykros> though in this day in age, i'm kind of over the fact that i just can't use a text based browser for most things. alternatives such as an nntp client would be nice for things like discussion though
[01:34:18] <cykros> though the moderation system and nntp as a protocol don't really mesh well together. it'd almost require a new protocol standard to really work fluidly
[01:35:38] <cykros> a bit more than i think is reasonable to expect, though it'd likely make for a very smooth way to throw together mobile apps for a much friendlier mobile experience.
[01:35:49] <Alberto> i pref python for the task
[01:35:53] <Alberto> or php
[01:35:55] <Alberto> but oop
[01:35:57] <Alberto> nor plain
[01:50:40] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Unisys' Invisibility Cloak for Network Traffic - http://sylnt.us - so-where-is-the-downside?
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[01:56:04] <cykros> hrm, i just threw elinks at it, and while it didn't work (i'm not positive i compiled elinks properly with js support yet there anyway), it looks like pipedot does allow you to use a non-js interface
[01:57:56] <cykros> yea, looks like it all plays nice once you do that. good to know
[01:59:29] <cykros> they even have a pipe over there, which if i understand correctly, is essentially the old firehose.
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[02:34:33] <SpallsHurgenson> <sneeze>
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[02:56:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I feel itchy
[03:02:10] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, file-server no go :(
[03:05:01] <paulej72> I have a new theme installed on dev.soylentnews.org. It is called Night Mode. you can select it in http://dev.soylentnews.org I would appreciate feedback
[03:08:54] * SpallsHurgenson sees... absolutely no difference
[03:09:52] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah... chillax and soylentnews work... but nightmode is just the default for me
[03:10:34] * SpallsHurgenson blames Dice... or Microsoft. I'm pretty sure Sony's involved with it too.
[03:11:07] <paulej72> you need to select a new page for the css to really load
[03:12:35] <SpallsHurgenson> ah.
[03:12:39] <SpallsHurgenson> eiuu.
[03:13:00] <SpallsHurgenson> all that red and black and grey
[03:13:32] <SpallsHurgenson> no. just no.
[03:13:37] * SpallsHurgenson makes it go away
[03:13:59] <paulej72> what do you suggest? Get rid of the red?
[03:14:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (not to mention, the logo-image is barely readable, what with the news being black :)
[03:14:36] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't like "night" pages in general anyway
[03:14:48] <paulej72> Would need a new logo, but I did not want to mess with that yet
[03:15:13] <SpallsHurgenson> go old-skool terminal, bright green text on black with no highlighting :) :) :)
[03:15:48] <paulej72> I had some requests for a night page and it is on the todo list. As we have themes available I thought I would bang out another one.
[03:16:37] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: I have my terminal set that way right now and was thinking of doing that. I could do another one called old school
[03:16:43] <SpallsHurgenson> you should probably get the opinion of the person who requested a night page; I never really got the point of 'em. I just know I don't like 'em, and SoyNight is no different :)
[03:17:04] <SpallsHurgenson> paulej72: aieee, no! I was kidding! Please don't destroy my retinas! I need them for... stuff!
[03:18:32] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: night mode makes some sense if you use your laptop or computer in a very dim room. It is much easer on the eyes if the backgroud color is closer to black than whit.
[03:18:53] <SpallsHurgenson> my momma taight me never to watch tv in the dark :)
[03:20:14] <SpallsHurgenson> she never taight me to spell "taught", though :)
[03:21:28] <arti> muhahahaha
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[03:21:43] <arti> paulej72: you mean you don't like staring at a lightbulb?
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[03:23:09] <paulej72> arti I do not mind, but some people do. I actually keep my backlight low so my night time viewing is not killing my eyes
[03:23:25] * arti likes dark backgrounds with light text
[03:25:28] * SpallsHurgenson prefers to turn up the brightness until it burns his shadow in the wall behind him
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[04:28:48] <Landon> hah
[04:28:49] <Landon> "When I was young and stupid I overloaded || for my 3d vector type to return true iff the vectors were parallel.
[04:36:23] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: I see you have stayed on the soylent side.
[04:36:34] <Subsentient> $beer JamesNZ
[04:36:34] * aqu4 gives JamesNZ a cold can of beer
[04:36:54] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Yup.
[04:40:47] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Stephen Hawking: Are We Taking AI Seriously Enough? - http://sylnt.us - who-said-ai-would-be-good?
[04:47:14] <SpallsHurgenson> of course Stephen Hawking is against further AI development; he doesn't want any competition. Everyone knows Hawking is an AI himself.
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[04:55:20] <Subsentient> rthbhghjrtbfgv
[04:55:55] <SpallsHurgenson> eguoutuwegosti
[05:06:12] <paulej72> hakIh*kk*J^hek(kejna*JH7enf&D633tnDF90sdknm?afg,aIDSuf87befbnewr
[05:06:13] <paulej72> r
[05:06:36] <paulej72> oh shit I just posted my password :)
[05:06:48] <paulej72> jk
[05:18:00] <JamesNZ> fgei5tsbfisaocndi
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[05:22:52] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: all I saw was ******************************************************
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[06:10:54] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Tennessee to Jail Women Using Drugs while Pregnant - http://sylnt.us - Take-Me-to-Another-Land
[06:11:24] <Subsentient> Good.
[06:11:26] <Subsentient> About time.
[06:11:37] <arti> why do you want to control women's bodies
[06:11:44] <arti> fucking men
[06:11:53] <arti> amidoingitright?
[06:12:00] <Subsentient> lol
[06:12:05] <Subsentient> Yeah sound just like them
[06:12:15] <Subsentient> As if abortion is about control and not about murder.
[06:12:35] <arti> that's because you're a member of the CIS-gendered patriarchy
[06:12:52] <arti> god-uh
[06:13:07] <Subsentient> lol yeah you remember that gnome thing where they used the term cisgender.
[06:13:13] <Subsentient> Never heard it before.
[06:13:16] <arti> oh dude
[06:13:19] <Subsentient> I hope it dies out.
[06:13:29] <arti> i had my mind blown with wtf, buxumboy or whatever
[06:13:36] * arti digs
[06:14:04] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[06:14:24] * Subsentient will not click an evil google-ey link
[06:14:29] <Subsentient> $burrito ar
[06:14:29] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at ar
[06:14:30] <Subsentient> $burrito arti
[06:14:31] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at arti
[06:14:52] <Subsentient> arti: Can you say.
[06:14:56] <Subsentient> dammit autocomplete?
[06:15:03] <arti> i'm more worried about you
[06:15:11] * arti hides the beer and cheetos
[06:16:01] <Subsentient> $beer Subsentient
[06:16:01] * aqu4 gives Subsentient a cold can of beer
[06:16:13] * Subsentient chucks it out the window because he doesn't drink
[06:16:24] <Subsentient> I hate alcohol
[06:16:31] <Subsentient> I'm tired all the fucking time
[06:16:38] <Subsentient> why would I want to make that worse
[06:16:39] <Subsentient> lol
[06:16:40] <arti> why not some stimulants?
[06:16:47] <arti> @.o
[06:16:47] <Subsentient> Because it makes my OCD worse
[06:17:01] <arti> with a strong indica?
[06:17:05] <arti> maybe opiates?
[06:17:05] <Subsentient> #ddg indica
[06:17:09] <Subsentient> $ddg indica
[06:17:09] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Cannabis indica - Cannabis indica is an annual plant in the Cannabaceae family. | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Cannabis_indica
[06:17:10] <aqu4> [2]: Title: Tata Indica, an automobile by Tata Motors, India | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Tata_Indica
[06:17:11] <aqu4> [3]: Title: Opuntia ficus-indica, the prickly pear, the Indian fig opuntia or barbary fig, a cactus species and a long-domesticated crop plant important in agricultural economies throughout arid and semiarid parts of the world | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Opuntia_ficus-indica
[06:17:12] <aqu4> End of results.
[06:17:19] <Subsentient> arti: gahh for fuck's sake no weed
[06:17:30] <arti> yeah, only filthy people do it
[06:17:30] <Subsentient> My code already reads like I'm high
[06:17:32] <arti> curses to them
[06:17:55] <Subsentient> Or maybe acid because I am paranoid and filled epoch with abuses of unsigned long
[06:18:15] <arti> unsigned long sounds like a great male porn star name
[06:18:24] <arti> "yeah i do bit porn"
[06:18:43] <Subsentient> lol
[06:19:02] <arti> "We don't care about your little bit"
[06:19:21] <Subsentient> arti: or better yet, short*
[06:19:32] <Subsentient> "pointer to/too short"
[06:19:35] <arti> "i've created an alias for short, soupcan"
[06:20:08] <arti> have you scoped out rust Subsentient?
[06:20:27] <Subsentient> The language?
[06:20:33] <arti> yes
[06:20:36] <Subsentient> Yeah somehow I got a bad feeling about that language
[06:20:42] <Subsentient> Not sure what but it gives me the creeps
[06:20:46] <arti> maybe it was your youth detector
[06:20:49] <Subsentient> like something wrong with it
[06:20:58] <arti> "not sure if fad"
[06:21:23] <Subsentient> Of course Google's Go is by Google so I won't touch it, but I don't really like Go's syntax as it is
[06:21:35] <arti> agreed
[06:21:51] * arti is presently examining the haskell boat
[06:22:01] <Subsentient> arti: You know C?
[06:22:06] <Subsentient> I thino
[06:22:12] <Subsentient> think you don;t if I recall
[06:22:13] <arti> yeah, i'm not some master in it
[06:22:28] <arti> i should invest more time in it, but i'm srsly done with boilerplate crap
[06:22:34] <Subsentient> arti: what's this then
[06:22:57] <Subsentient> void *(*derp[16])[32];
[06:23:24] <arti> pointers and some array values?
[06:23:45] <Subsentient> arti: It's an array of 16 pointers which point to arrays of 32 void*
[06:23:58] <Subsentient> s/void*/void pointers/
[06:23:58] <SedBot> <Subsentient> arti: It's an array of 16 pointers which point to arrays of 32 void pointers*
[06:24:17] <Subsentient> arti: You must learn more
[06:24:21] <Subsentient> Or perhaps this?
[06:24:22] <arti> that's nice and terse
[06:25:10] <Subsentient> char *(*derp[64])(void*(*hurr)[]);
[06:25:21] <arti> i love these names
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[06:27:09] <arti> 64 derp character array, and pointer to an empty something
[06:28:01] <arti> these would be some good codecabulary questions
[06:31:39] <arti> i c what you did there
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[07:54:18] <arti> c, kills conversations dead.
[08:18:36] <chromas> Nah you just get a few pointers to dereference the real conversation
[08:19:22] * JamesNZ claps slowly
[08:25:30] <Subsentient> Ahh damn
[08:25:58] <Subsentient> that conversation with lots of weird types caused me to get all confused and I created a new stack overflow question and reopened a new one.
[08:26:17] <Subsentient> http://stackoverflow.com http://stackoverflow.com
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[09:00:43] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com :D
[09:00:54] <arti> how's the back?
[09:01:03] <arti> i laughed hard at your beer thing yesterday
[09:01:45] <SirFinkus> pretty bad still, I found a position I can sit in where it doesn't hurt
[09:02:09] <SirFinkus> probably gonna call a doc tomorrow if it doesn't improve
[09:02:19] <arti> "well we could've done something if you acted immediately"
[09:02:27] <arti> damned if you do, damned if you dont
[09:02:32] <SirFinkus> 24 hours is pretty immediate
[09:02:47] <arti> keep telling yourself that :P
[09:02:56] * arti fetches another pillow
[09:02:57] <SirFinkus> I have terrible insurance, and no money, so that's a factor
[09:03:14] <arti> sell pictures of your butt to horny guys on CL
[09:03:31] <SirFinkus> that market is already tapped out
[09:03:40] <arti> pfft not according to grindr
[09:03:51] <SirFinkus> well, I meant my ass pictures
[09:04:05] <SirFinkus> supply and demand yo
[09:04:07] <arti> you must've cornered the market
[09:04:13] <SirFinkus> supply is super high
[09:04:27] <SirFinkus> demand only moderate
[09:04:51] <arti> you just need a few AAA+++ would buy from again reviews
[09:07:01] <SirFinkus> I sleep on a loft bed, so the back thing is hardmode
[09:07:10] <arti> awesome
[09:07:21] <arti> i wasn't aware of how many muscles were used to sit up until i had a surgery
[09:07:39] <SirFinkus> that's always how it is isn't it?
[09:08:10] <SirFinkus> breaking my leg was more painful, but at least I could stand up straight with that
[09:08:26] <arti> broken a foot
[09:08:37] <SirFinkus> oh, that sucks
[09:08:40] <SirFinkus> my dad did that once
[09:08:48] <arti> honestly i think toes are worse
[09:08:53] <arti> nothing you can do
[09:08:55] <arti> "whelp"
[09:09:01] <SirFinkus> in the middle of a hike, had to walk like 2 miles
[09:09:07] <arti> sweet
[09:09:13] <arti> sorta like driving yourself to the ER
[09:09:18] <arti> very pleasant drives
[09:09:20] <SirFinkus> it's a fairly badass story
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[09:11:26] <SirFinkus> I haven't had the pleasure of breaking a toe yet
[09:12:57] <arti> https://www.youtube.com related
[09:21:54] <SirFinkus> I could use some morphine right now lol
[09:22:44] <arti> have any icyhot?
[09:26:34] <SirFinkus> yeah, also those pads, doesn't really seem to help
[09:26:41] <SirFinkus> ibuprofen took the edge off though
[09:27:09] <arti> back pain is one of those things you cant really escape from
[09:27:40] <SirFinkus> I think the thing that would be the worst thing in the world is a broken hip
[09:27:52] <SirFinkus> or a rib
[09:35:20] <arti> :X
[09:35:59] <SirFinkus> gotta breathe, and there's nothing you can do about a broken rib really
[09:36:08] <arti> i think wimpering is an option
[09:36:36] <arti> this is when your buddies should see how ticklish you are
[09:37:15] <SirFinkus> lol
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[09:37:49] <arti> meanwhile in australia
[09:37:50] <SirFinkus> they could pump you full of opiates, but those make you itchy
[09:38:17] <arti> :D
[09:38:20] <SirFinkus> bbiab, shower
[09:38:26] <arti> hot water dude
[09:38:49] * crutchy fires a global at arti
[09:40:31] * arti dodges
[09:43:48] <crutchy> can't dodge a global; they encompass all :-P
[09:44:22] <crutchy> unless you forget a global directive in a function
[09:44:24] <arti> like a giant orifice.
[09:44:58] <crutchy> full of happy gas :-D
[09:45:06] * arti tilts
[09:45:20] <arti> how's the work effort going?
[09:46:18] <crutchy> used it today on a fairly big structure. sometimes i wish it was a bit quicker
[09:46:52] <crutchy> haven't touched the code for a while though
[09:47:27] <crutchy> how's the haskelling?
[09:47:48] <arti> i'm working through real world haskell now
[09:48:08] <arti> learn you a haskell (for great good) is a bit slow but helped clarify things
[09:48:30] <arti> i'm onto more exciting stuff now, parsing a csv file /woo
[09:48:38] <crutchy> ooh
[09:49:03] <arti> sockets and whatnot come later, the whole monad thing is still muddy
[09:49:08] <arti> i get them but they're not intuitive
[09:49:12] <crutchy> not with an explode function i'm guessing
[09:49:23] <arti> well thats one way you can do it
[09:49:56] <arti> patterns are another, and there is a sweet parsing library too
[09:50:03] * arti is avoiding that for the time being
[09:50:16] <arti> i'm suffering through doing it the hard way
[09:50:38] <crutchy> oh
[09:50:56] * crutchy doesn't suffer programming... zero isn't enough pay for it :-P
[09:51:26] <arti> i want to make sure i understand what's going on better before moving on
[09:51:38] <crutchy> though admittedly there are boring bits in every project
[09:51:42] <crutchy> yeah
[09:52:02] <arti> yeah, tell me about it
[09:52:21] <arti> so i'm excited to get to the net stuff, plenty of stuff to look foward to
[09:52:59] * crutchy is looking forward to seeing a haskell bot in #soylent
[09:53:56] <crutchy> if soylent changes name, i guess this channel will change name too eh?
[09:55:31] <arti> the whole command processing (of arguments from the command line) and this connection monad are their own little beasts
[09:55:48] <arti> sounds like a job for a fork
[09:57:55] <crutchy> there are some bent shows on kids tv nowadays
[09:58:04] <arti> "ren and stimpy"
[09:59:24] <crutchy> my two are watching adventure time
[09:59:29] <arti> lol
[09:59:35] <crutchy> fucking weird
[10:00:02] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:00:44] <arti> it is pretty crazy
[10:01:26] <crutchy> ^^ sounds like a job for a certain bot that can run haskell scripts :-P
[10:11:56] <SirFinkus> the Maidan guys are saying Russia has invaded
[10:12:25] <SirFinkus> likely bs, but video https://www.youtube.com
[10:12:38] <SirFinkus> can't see shit
[10:13:45] <crutchy> i thought russia pretty much owned crimea anyway... what do they need to invade?
[10:14:20] <crutchy> last i heard the ukranian military were being hampered whilst moving though their own country
[10:14:44] <SirFinkus> not crimea, eastern ukraine
[10:15:35] <SirFinkus> the ukrainian army is in the midst of a huge crackdown there atm, if this is legit, it's going to get messy really quickly
[10:16:06] <crutchy> the UN will condemn russia, and may even write a letter of condemnation!
[10:16:20] <crutchy> before being vetoed by russia :-P
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[13:15:30] <crutchy> i'm not much into covers, but this guy is fucking awesome... and he obviously enjoys it which makes it even better to watch... https://www.youtube.com
[13:19:29] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[13:26:11] <MrBluze> russia invaded ukraine??
[13:27:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> if god actually were one of us, would he have to pay income tax on the money churches take in for him?
[13:28:11] <MrBluze> can you buy shares in the church?
[13:28:29] <crutchy> dunno. mainstream media probably doesn't give a toss cos its not america
[13:28:34] <MrBluze> its employees pay income tax
[13:28:45] <crutchy> and customers pay sales tax
[13:28:58] <crutchy> hmm not for a church though lol
[13:28:59] <MrBluze> and it pays tax for everything it buys in the marketplace
[13:29:14] <crutchy> hell why not tax everyone twice or three times
[13:29:24] <MrBluze> hey why not.. what a great idea
[13:29:24] <crutchy> why not for petrol too... excise and gst
[13:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> chruch itself doesn't but the one of us part kind of supposes that he's a regularish joe
[13:29:44] <MrBluze> the one of us kind is like buddhism
[13:29:49] <MrBluze> not really a religion
[13:30:03] <crutchy> i'm not religious... is that a religion?
[13:30:05] <MrBluze> more a philosophy
[13:30:16] <MrBluze> i dunno
[13:30:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and would he need to pay VAT on miracled up items if he were in a VAT nation?
[13:30:48] <crutchy> miracles would have to be FCC approved
[13:31:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably be banned by the FTC as anti-competitive.
[13:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> my brain does weird things before i have a cup of coffee in it.
[13:31:35] <crutchy> and would be sued by miractle inc (R) (TM)
[13:31:44] <MrBluze> prior art
[13:31:55] <crutchy> in texas
[13:31:57] <crutchy> :-P
[13:32:05] <crutchy> everyone loves a lawsuit there
[13:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> true, pretty much the definition of prior art there
[13:32:26] <crutchy> i mean in texas there is no such thing as prior art
[13:32:28] <crutchy> :-P
[13:32:34] <MrBluze> u cant do that miracle, dupont owns the rights to walking on water
[13:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> or deleware apparently
[13:33:05] <MrBluze> and glaskow smith klein owns the cure for cancer.. cease and desist!
[13:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems they have an even more friendly IP house when it comes to actual trial
[13:33:26] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: is Apple god among us?
[13:33:29] <MrBluze> cause it doesnt pay tax
[13:33:45] <MrBluze> probably pays less than the churches do
[13:33:51] <crutchy> and you can't say his name, cos it would be considered not PC, or racist, sexist, religioust, and various other ists
[13:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, jobs didn't rise after 3 days
[13:34:12] <MrBluze> define day
[13:34:29] <crutchy> word beginning with d and ending in 'ay'
[13:34:53] <crutchy> -n
[13:34:55] <MrBluze> which planet
[13:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> one period of hurty yellow thing in the sky, one blissful absence
[13:35:23] <crutchy> you mean the banana that some meanie person threw at me?
[13:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, it would have to be green to hurt much
[13:35:59] <crutchy> someone injected it with acid, and it got in my eye
[13:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> close enough for me then
[13:36:15] <MrBluze> ok
[13:36:25] <MrBluze> so i have had 2 bananas thrown at me so far
[13:36:29] <MrBluze> so ... any time now
[13:36:33] <MrBluze> come on stevey
[13:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> which means we could make a time machine by throwing acid filled bananas at crutchy really fast
[13:37:22] <MrBluze> i was looking at whisperchat before
[13:37:50] <MrBluze> actually i think it was anothern ame
[13:38:05] <MrBluze> whispersystems.org
[13:38:39] <MrBluze> open source end-end encrypted chat that allows file transfers
[13:38:47] <MrBluze> with perfect forward secrecy
[13:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds nifty but my phone has buttons and hangs on a wall
[13:39:29] <MrBluze> its nifty but
[13:39:32] <MrBluze> i want a browser version
[13:39:38] <MrBluze> or a desktop version better
[13:39:42] <MrBluze> not browser.. screw that
[13:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could install it in my x86 android vm
[13:40:01] <crutchy> or one that you can put on your desktop or hang on the wall
[13:40:07] <crutchy> at the same time :-O
[13:40:23] <MrBluze> wow
[13:40:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> quantum superposition phone?
[13:40:35] <MrBluze> if you do your work on your wall
[13:40:41] <MrBluze> then your wall IS your desktop
[13:40:43] <MrBluze> solved
[13:40:51] <crutchy> we could call it.... the "i-droid"
[13:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think my stuff would slide off
[13:41:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> duct tape to the rescue
[13:41:23] <MrBluze> magnetism
[13:41:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> would erase all my floppies.
[13:42:47] <MrBluze> bluetack
[13:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for more coffee
[13:44:19] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: dont think there's anything to the rumour about russians in ukraine yet
[13:46:38] <crutchy> bluzetac
[13:47:08] <MrBluze> tacky bluze
[13:47:32] <MrBluze> so.. maybe i should see how whisper chat whatever it is works, and make it work on the desktop
[13:47:40] <MrBluze> and see if i can get it to worh through a separate server
[13:47:47] <MrBluze> so i can test it :)
[13:47:48] <crutchy> there'll be a 'coup' and the new leader of ukraine will miraculously negotiate peace with russia
[13:47:57] <MrBluze> another coup?
[13:48:06] <MrBluze> that would probably be good actually
[13:48:11] <crutchy> russia doesn't need to invade
[13:48:22] <crutchy> it already has the country by the balls
[13:48:27] <MrBluze> anything to stop mass murder
[13:48:30] <crutchy> from the inside
[13:48:34] <MrBluze> yes true
[13:50:18] <crutchy> has to show the world it means business though, so send out a few tanks to roll past the western cameras
[13:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, liberty, temporary security, deserve neither
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[13:50:43] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
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[13:51:00] <MrBluze> hi bytram
[13:51:08] <MrBluze> hi crutchy btw :) and TheMightyBuzzard :)
[13:51:10] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day!
[13:51:14] <Bytram> MrBluze: hiya!
[13:51:23] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[13:51:26] <Bytram> popping in briefly beforwe work.
[13:51:28] <crutchy> hi TheMightyBuzzard
[13:51:36] <MrBluze> well that's good
[13:51:43] <Bytram> trying to check e-mail, schedule, and other "fun" stuff.
[13:51:51] <crutchy> porn?
[13:52:03] <MrBluze> ugh my schedule is impossible, and i am going to be in trouble no matter what i do
[13:52:49] <Bytram> crutchy: nope. data gathering and analysis.
[13:53:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrBluze, might as well write in a day of pub time then
[13:53:03] <crutchy> ahh... gay porn
[13:53:07] <crutchy> :-P
[13:53:19] <Bytram> MrBluze: Might as well have some fun, then when you get in trouble, it will have been worth it!
[13:53:36] <crutchy> replace someones heart with a baked potato
[13:53:43] <crutchy> i hear it works for about 3 seconds
[13:54:07] <Bytram> did you bake it in the microwave? Works okay for potatoes; not so good for heads.
[13:54:14] <Bytram> =)
[13:54:22] <crutchy> dunno. you'd have to ask george clooney
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[13:55:00] <MrBluze> pub time..
[13:55:04] <MrBluze> gay porn? ugh
[13:55:15] <crutchy> "analysis"
[13:55:20] <MrBluze> ah yeah analysis
[13:55:28] <MrBluze> i was juuusst looking for material for my next comedy skit
[13:56:58] <crutchy> what do you get if you combine an noise, a flute and an igloo?
[13:57:26] <crutchy> nfi
[13:57:30] <crutchy> bahahahahahaha!!!
[13:59:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it always amuses me that analysis starts with anal
[14:00:14] <crutchy> why does http://sylnt.us go to a url shortener page?
[14:00:58] <MrBluze> i dunno
[14:01:07] <MrBluze> lol
[14:01:16] <crutchy> pffft totally blew it
[14:01:28] <crutchy> you were supposed to say nfi :-P
[14:01:32] <MrBluze> ;) i know lol
[14:01:45] <MrBluze> what did the blonde say when she fell pregnant?
[14:01:58] <crutchy> fuck
[14:02:04] <MrBluze> gee, i hope it's not mine
[14:02:08] <crutchy> hahahaha
[14:02:52] <crutchy> i like the old classics
[14:03:03] <crutchy> why did the koala fall out of the tree?
[14:03:07] <MrBluze> what's 20 foot long, is happy but smells like urine?
[14:03:14] <MrBluze> crutchy: fridge tied to its back?
[14:03:14] <crutchy> lol
[14:03:22] <crutchy> hmm close
[14:03:31] <MrBluze> line dance in a nursing home
[14:03:34] <crutchy> cos someone threw a fridge at it
[14:03:40] <crutchy> lol
[14:03:45] <crutchy> ew
[14:03:50] <MrBluze> how do u fit four elephants into a vw beetle?
[14:04:13] <MrBluze> two in the front and two in the back
[14:04:15] <crutchy> smooshing them into soylent green first
[14:04:21] <MrBluze> lol yeah that
[14:04:29] <MrBluze> how do you know you've got elephants in your living room?
[14:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> why do mermaids wear cshells?
[14:04:44] <crutchy> so they dont get bashed
[14:04:45] <MrBluze> .. vw parked out the front
[14:04:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> because dshells are too big and bshells are too small.
[14:04:57] <MrBluze> lmao
[14:05:03] <MrBluze> why can't wizards run?
[14:05:08] <MrBluze> crystal balls
[14:05:52] <MrBluze> how many marxists does it take to screw in a light globe?
[14:06:27] <MrBluze> none, the globe contains the seeds of its own revolution
[14:07:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, could prolly turn that into a why do chick admins use csh joke too but feminazis would get their hate on
[14:07:06] * crutchy wonders if ciri is listening to this cultural experience
[14:07:13] <crutchy> lol
[14:07:21] <crutchy> thats what the bash thing was for
[14:08:01] <MrBluze> Q. how many femenazis does it take to change a light globe? A. that's not funny.
[14:09:42] <crutchy> mrbluze: s/that's not funny/show us your tits/
[14:09:42] <SedBot> <crutchy> <mrbluze> Q. how many femenazis does it take to change a light globe? A. show us your tits.
[14:09:49] <MrBluze> lmao
[14:09:58] <MrBluze> thats even better
[14:10:13] <MrBluze> how do u catch a unique rabbit?
[14:10:19] <MrBluze> unique up on it
[14:10:51] <MrBluze> ... how many vietnam vets does it take to change a light globe? .. you wouldn't know, you weren't there!
[14:11:38] <crutchy> lol re rabbit joke; i was thinking put it on an NRA commercial... alive
[14:11:52] <MrBluze> lol
[14:11:56] <MrBluze> how do u catch a tame rabbit?
[14:12:08] <FoobarBazbot_> the tame way?
[14:12:12] <MrBluze> yep
[14:13:06] <MrBluze> there's this long one about a guy who gets headaches
[14:13:30] <MrBluze> they cant find a cure for it, he and his wife go to all the specialist, natural healers, everywhere to find a cure
[14:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, got 45m of ass-sitting left then i gotta do actual stuff.
[14:14:00] <MrBluze> one day his doc rings him up and says.. i read an article that says u can cure this with castration
[14:14:32] <MrBluze> by this time the man had lost his job, marriage was on the rocks and he was getting suicidal
[14:14:55] <MrBluze> so he goes ahead with it and has the operation .. all goes well and his headaches are cured.. he gets a high paid job and figures its time to celebrate
[14:14:55] <crutchy> mrbluze... style guru... what do you think? http://postimg.org
[14:15:24] <MrBluze> so he goes to the taylor to buy a top price new outfit
[14:15:33] <crutchy> its a bit plain
[14:16:01] <MrBluze> the logo, or the ads under it?
[14:16:13] <crutchy> ads?
[14:16:20] <crutchy> i dunno i don't see ads
[14:16:22] <MrBluze> ... so he goes to the taylor who is this very effeminate bloke .. knows the size of everything the guy needs without measuring tape
[14:16:32] <MrBluze> crutchy: simple is good
[14:16:46] <MrBluze> change the color of Civ
[14:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, worked for google before they started smoking crack
[14:17:00] <MrBluze> then it's perfect
[14:17:17] <crutchy> ahh
[14:17:24] <crutchy> lol @ google crack
[14:17:32] <MrBluze> ... after a while the guy says.. yep and i want new underpants too .. so the taylor says.. you're definitely a large. but the guy says "no way, my wife always buys me medium"
[14:17:42] <MrBluze> the taylor says " why would she do that for? you'll get headaches!"
[14:18:57] <MrBluze> crutchy: just give Civ a colour .. maroon or something maybe? depends whatever
[14:20:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> red. the color of blood. blood makes the grass grow.
[14:20:51] <MrBluze> or civ can be in blue/green
[14:20:59] <MrBluze> but the less u do the better
[14:21:53] <MrBluze> blood stained streets in the red sunset
[14:22:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> also needs an autoplay midi, animated gifs, and blink tags.
[14:23:04] <crutchy> http://postimg.org
[14:23:32] <MrBluze> thats good
[14:23:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar! perfect.
[14:23:43] <MrBluze> now it makes sense
[14:23:45] <crutchy> ta
[14:23:59] <MrBluze> one other small thing
[14:24:12] <MrBluze> trim the underline on the left side so it is flush with the edge of the C
[14:24:34] <crutchy> hmm good idea
[14:24:40] <MrBluze> and that's it
[14:24:53] * MrBluze isn't gay, by the way
[14:26:27] <crutchy> http://postimg.org
[14:26:44] <crutchy> gimp++
[14:26:44] <deadpeas> karma - gimp: 1
[14:26:52] <MrBluze> yes
[14:27:02] <MrBluze> now it's tidy
[14:32:05] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:32:49] <crutchy> i'll use it on the irciv map viewer website
[14:32:52] <crutchy> eventually :-P
[14:33:38] <MrBluze> cool :)
[14:37:12] <MrBluze> https://firstlook.org
[14:38:59] <MrBluze> ... i wonder what are the chances of this being used here
[14:39:52] <crutchy> i really just shows how dumb the general populous is... they believe everything they read on the internet, on CNN, Fox, etc
[14:39:59] <MrBluze> yep
[14:40:18] <MrBluze> and they just get turned around and start hating people who are trying to save their bacon
[14:40:42] <MrBluze> crutchy: http://atlasofprejudice.tumblr.com
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[14:45:41] <MrBluze> THIS is interesting: http://sorendreier.com
[14:47:27] <MrBluze> and .. transfusing young mouse blood into an old mouse reverses ageing effects on muscle and brain
[14:48:00] <MrBluze> well im done .. see u all later
[14:48:02] <MrBluze> cheers crutchy
[14:48:13] <crutchy> night mrbluze
[14:48:19] <MrBluze> nitey nite
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[15:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, weeds
[15:10:34] <janrinok> hello TheMightyBuzzard
[15:11:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin janrinok
[15:11:21] <janrinok> how's things?
[15:13:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, fair nuff. going to be a busy morning but not for another couple hours yet.
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[15:23:59] <weeds> Is there a way to see what the conversation has been before you logged in?
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[15:39:37] <Blackmoore> weeds: only if you had been logged in while it was going on.
[15:39:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't we used to keep logs somewhere?
[15:39:59] <Blackmoore> i think one of the bots makes a log each day, but that wont help right now
[15:41:42] <janrinok> why won't the logs help?
[15:44:22] <Blackmoore> well, it would help up to UTC 0
[15:44:37] <Blackmoore> i dont think they get posted as we chat.
[15:44:57] <janrinok> Ah, you want something a little more current?
[15:46:36] <janrinok> I've just asked if anyone else can help with the logs - we'll see what turns up.
[15:46:54] <paulej72> logs.sylnt.us
[15:47:21] <Blackmoore> thanks paulej72 - i was just looking for that link
[15:48:26] <Blackmoore> I am sorely wrong
[15:48:41] <Blackmoore> it is uploading in real time
[15:49:05] <paulej72> there is a slight delay
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[15:50:39] <janrinok> Hi MrBluze
[15:50:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, i am building a phase change/water hybrid cooling system this year and overclocking the fuck out of something.
[15:50:51] <paulej72> Blackmoore: your mission if you choose to accept it is to go through all of old logs and invite all of the users back who have not been here recently :)
[15:50:58] <MrBluze> hi janrinok
[15:51:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> been meaning to for over a decade now but haven't gotten around to it.
[15:51:42] <janrinok> MrBluze: how's things? TheMightyBuzzard: I'm suitably impressed....
[15:52:07] <MrBluze> im ok .. busy this week with work - snowed under.. how about u?
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[15:53:41] <Blackmoore> paulej72: heh I could make the list - but contacting everyone? how deep do you want me to dig for contact info
[15:53:41] <janrinok> Oh the usual - keeping busy but not too much. Having a week's break starting at the end of this week.
[15:53:51] <MrBluze> nice
[15:54:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> mini-fridge bits to cool the water reservoir to say 34F and insulate the complete hell out of all condensation-danger bits.
[15:54:16] <MrBluze> ive been freeing myself up as i am becoming so busy my productivity is suffering
[15:54:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or i could add a second evaporator coil to cool the air inside the case to 34f too so no condensation worries... hmm...
[15:55:08] <MrBluze> condensation? just blow dry air into it
[15:55:19] <janrinok> I understand perfectly MrBluze - it just seems to creep up on me and I'm suddenly spending 6-8 hours a day on here.
[15:55:30] <MrBluze> yeah exactly
[15:55:45] <janrinok> Well take it easy.
[15:55:48] <MrBluze> but not even that .. i'd LIKE to spend 6-8 hours doing something but i never get that long .. im eating as i type
[15:56:12] <MrBluze> just worked 15 hours
[15:56:52] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: that sounds like a fun solution rather than buy something off-the-shelf....
[15:57:04] <janrinok> MrBluze: that sounds unpleasant.
[15:57:32] <MrBluze> its a good way to get fit :) didnt sit down for a moment of it
[15:58:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably buy the water cooling system off the shelf. easier than bending/soldering copper line since ima hafta do that for the phase change bits anyway.
[15:58:20] <MrBluze> i saw a couple of interesting stories to post but i havent had time to write summaries
[15:58:47] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: u can buy dehumidifiers
[15:58:53] <MrBluze> they are very effective
[15:59:04] <MrBluze> about 80 watt or so
[15:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i like humidity. desert air fucks me up.
[16:00:13] <paulej72> Blackmoore: I have no idea how to contact thoes people, but I feel a bit bad that they are no longer here
[16:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> just went to amarillo last week. it sucked ass the whole time.
[16:00:18] <MrBluze> oh
[16:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame the message system can't be used to invite them back. could at least get people whose irc nick matched their username.
[16:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess you could break into the db and hit them via email when they were ==
[16:04:33] <MrBluze> that'd be a good way
[16:05:40] <janrinok> I'm not volunteering but - surely a script can extract the joining email address with nicks and create a mailing list. After all, that's what I have to do when I explain why we are rejecting a submission, although I do it manually.
[16:05:40] <weeds> Blackmoore: So I could go look at the logs before I jump in, thanks!
[16:10:09] <MrBluze> hmm
[16:10:53] <MrBluze> not that it's my place, but although that's a good idea - to invite people back, isn't it also a good idea to start marketing the website abroad ... once the name is decided upon?
[16:17:01] <weeds> I woul'd suggest an email that tells them about something new or changes or invites them to vote or something. One that just says, "Hey we notice you haven't been around for a while, come visit." might be considered spam by some.
[16:17:22] <weeds> s/'//
[16:17:22] <SedBot> <weeds> I would suggest an email that tells them about something new or changes or invites them to vote or something. One that just says, "Hey we notice you haven't been around for a while, come visit." might be considered spam by some.
[16:18:00] <janrinok> We have had a small number of complaints regarding email contacts even from submission rejection mails - so you do have to tread carefully.
[16:20:14] <MrBluze> yep
[16:20:32] <MrBluze> u have to offer something
[16:21:03] <MrBluze> and it should be a coordinated and planned thing not just a one off haphazard request .. gotta have a plan from many sides
[16:21:14] <janrinok> ... I was offering a submission rejection!
[16:21:32] <weeds> lol
[16:21:50] <Blackmoore> I was offering you free electrons organized to provide information!
[16:22:32] <janrinok> some people are just ungrateful no matter what you try to do....
[16:23:44] <Blackmoore> paulej72: sometimes people go away and come back. I stopped reading ars for 5-6 months.
[16:24:04] <weeds> So you have to look at the posts they did make and then correlate those to current articles and tell them, "You may find this story and this story of interest." Where's the NSA when you need them?
[16:24:37] <MrBluze> has to be more tangible
[16:25:04] <MrBluze> announcing a new initiative
[16:25:20] <MrBluze> or a new sub-project, or something that might mean they are interested in assisting
[16:28:25] <Blackmoore> ^^ that will probably get more people interestd
[16:29:25] * MrBluze nods
[16:29:40] <MrBluze> but the world of geek is huge
[16:29:40] <weeds> "Dear user who's been gone for a while, Soylent News now fully supports Unicode! come on by and try it out! :)
[16:29:45] <MrBluze> its really massive
[16:30:21] <MrBluze> so .. the people that could be here that aren't are usually people who have no idea this site exists
[16:31:11] <Blackmoore> Well, I think - and this did come up when i met with NC - we need to expand our focus.
[16:31:39] <Blackmoore> so far we've been concentrating on the same stuff that slash does
[16:31:56] <MrBluze> polygeek
[16:32:09] <Blackmoore> we need to open up to more things that would engage discussion
[16:32:14] <MrBluze> irc is an example of, ironically, breaking new ground
[16:32:23] <MrBluze> and the irc games are a good thing
[16:32:24] <weeds> Soylent is in many ways, a sequel. Slashdot was a new thing and spread well by word of mouth. SN isn't going to have that same spread.
[16:32:24] <Blackmoore> true
[16:32:29] <MrBluze> as would be telnet stuff
[16:33:05] <MrBluze> so .. build an ecosystem for geeks
[16:33:09] <Blackmoore> or gopher. or usenet.. but frankly who has those tools while at work
[16:34:01] <MrBluze> :) gnite ppl wish u all well
[16:34:32] <Blackmoore> I think we ought to open up to electronic hobbies - like hackaday, or out tech support horror stories
[16:34:34] <janrinok> gnite MrBluze
[16:34:43] <Blackmoore> gnite MrBluze
[16:35:17] <weeds> gnite
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[16:37:04] <janrinok> Do you think that the irc games will attract many people in this day of game stations and hi-res graphics. I'm not a gamer - I've really no idea how popular this might be?
[16:37:47] <Blackmoore> I like the idea, but I'm typically on here while I'm at work. playing a game might not be good.
[16:38:07] <janrinok> or it might be good, but you wouldn't remain employed for long....?
[16:38:24] <Blackmoore> i dont expect i'd remain employed
[16:39:59] <weeds> also at work...
[16:40:47] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Why We Can't Remember the Future - http://sylnt.us - second-chances-come-first
[16:42:19] <weeds> It's the IRC _discussion_ that causes me to drop in each day. I work in a small office and enjoy the chatting and having the chance to give my 2 cents on topics of interest to the site like the email as well as hearing other opinions.
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[16:43:19] <janrinok> weeds: good point - but how would you sell that to new users? What would you say to make it attractive to them?
[16:43:24] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX
[16:51:02] <weeds> janrinok: If it is to be a main selling point, then it should be more visible.
[16:56:38] <Blackmoore> I know NC was kicking around email as an idea; what about our own verion of sourceforge? get people talking about software projects that get posted here. we dont even have to be the repository; just the channel of discussion
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[17:03:19] <paulej72> mechanicjay: hello have classes ended for you yet? We are in reading period at Princeton
[17:03:54] <mechanicjay> Hey paulej72, yeah Monday was last day of classes, Reading days now. Exams start Thursday or Friday.
[17:04:24] <Landon> reading period? I've never heard of this
[17:04:29] <paulej72> cool so now you can start getting the real work done.
[17:05:34] <paulej72> Landon: it is the time after classes end, but before finals start. Usually final projects and papers are due during this time. there are also a lot of review sessions.
[17:05:47] <Landon> oh
[17:05:48] <Landon> interesting
[17:05:53] <Landon> it's dead week where I went to college
[17:06:09] <Landon> would probably be better if they referred to it as a reading period :) get rid of the negative connotations
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[17:14:02] <janrinok> weeds: did you see my reply on the PM?
[17:15:03] <michealpwalls> Good morning, everybody! :)
[17:16:26] <Blackmoore> mornin
[17:17:14] <janrinok> michealpwalls: good afternoon to you too
[17:18:35] <michealpwalls> How are things? :)
[17:19:11] <janrinok> fine at the moment thx - having a fairly easy day with no stress!
[17:20:09] <michealpwalls> Well that's good to hear!
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[17:24:20] <weeds> janrinok: Had to get on a call
[17:25:35] <michealpwalls> I should try to document the DB abstraction layer in Slash as much as I can..
[17:25:41] <michealpwalls> Maybe that will be my hobby project for the week :D
[17:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> just copy the nutrition label on a package of spaghetti.
[17:26:40] <LaminatorX> "It may surprise you to learn that Slash has a database abstraction layer..."
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[17:29:10] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:29:21] <weeds> janrinok: saw it
[17:29:36] <michealpwalls> It's DBI / DBIx with DBIx::Password class for caching the passwords (I think? LOL_)
[17:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i should certainly hope so. I generally write another layer or two of abstraction on top of that though.
[17:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean yeah you could go all ghetto and reinvent the wheel but why on earth would you?
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[17:34:36] <DECbot> 'Morning... anybody on?
[17:35:34] <DECbot> I was wondering if anyone else is seeing an issue where they do not stay logged in for more than ~30 seconds or if it is just something on my end.
[17:38:26] <LaminatorX> I haven't seen such a problem.
[17:41:30] <michealpwalls> Yea,in effect you could say there is 3 layers..
[17:42:14] <michealpwalls> There is the old (Dare I say *ancient* DBI, which is a base perl abstraction layer for Databases) and then Slash uses DBIx, not really familiar with but I'm assuming it's an extension of DBI (the x, duh!)
[17:43:03] <michealpwalls> On top of *that* stack, Slash has it's own Slash::DB, the Slash::DB::MySQL "engine" for that (Which, I think they originally wanted to add a Slash::DB::Postegres but that work never finished?) which further abstracts it
[17:44:26] <weeds> DECbot: have not had that problem
[17:44:36] <michealpwalls> Slash:DB::Utility, which is confusingly named similar to Slash::Utility
[17:45:08] <michealpwalls> DECbot: Are you behind some kind of firewall or proxy server?
[17:45:32] <michealpwalls> DECbot: You might have to go into your user prefs and play with the cookie settings to see if you can't work around the problem ^
[17:48:00] <DECbot> There's a good chance that I might have some weird proxy stuff going on.
[17:48:23] <DECbot> I am usually behind a proxy at work, but it doesn't cause issues.
[17:48:47] <DECbot> Now I'm traveling and I'm using a hotel connection.
[17:50:38] <DECbot> Good chance it's something funny with firefox auto-detecting the proxy on the work network despite not being connected to the VPN.
[17:51:34] <michealpwalls> Yea, I think it's a network issue. Not necessarily Firefox, but the network. By default Slash will use "secure" cookies, as far as I understand (Still making heads-tails of the code though, I'm new here..)
[17:51:39] <DECbot> It's annoying, but I bet it will fix itself when I get back into the office next week.
[17:52:28] <michealpwalls> If you are behind a proxy of some kind, it may disrupt that cookie. If the cookie is discarded somewhere (Stuck/not routed to you from the proxy, I think) than firefox can't "remember" your user id
[17:53:22] <michealpwalls> "cookies" in transit are just additional headers attached to the HTTP requests and responses. So, you send an HTTP request from your machine, it hits the proxy, gets routed to soylent and the return packet must take the same trip. Along the way, the cookie data is lost.
[17:54:37] <DECbot> Ah, makes sense.
[17:55:03] <michealpwalls> DECbot: Yea, hopefully you're right.. Maybe once you leave the hotel and get a better connection it might work itself out behind the scenes :)
[17:55:47] <DECbot> The laptop settings are to use the work proxy, despite not being on that network. Firefox is set to auto-detect. Given that the proxy is litterly across the world (California to central Europe), there's a good chance that the route changes
[17:56:22] <michealpwalls> haha yea, I'm not a network expert. Mostly it amazes me that it works at all :O
[17:57:08] <DECbot> Firefox could also be seeing that the proxy times out, and so it drops the proxy, only to discover it again later.
[17:57:33] <DECbot> I bet logging into the VPN could also fix this, but that
[17:57:45] <DECbot> *that'd only make the slow hotel connection slower
[17:58:04] <DECbot> Thanks for the input!
[17:58:07] <michealpwalls> It's def. something to do with that cookie, though. Generally speaking you should be able to "get" a cookie (Log in) and lose/regain your connection as many times as you want and still retain that cookie
[17:58:46] <michealpwalls> As long as you're on the same physical machine, that is ^
[17:59:27] <DECbot> Well, it's about every second or third page load causes the cookie to be lost.
[17:59:37] <michealpwalls> It's odd that it's not instant
[18:00:03] <michealpwalls> Like, in my mind, it should go like this: You log-in, which redirects you and you see that you're logged in. Then once you click anything to trigger a page refresh, you're not longer logged in.
[18:00:09] <michealpwalls> It doesn't do that? ^
[18:00:40] <michealpwalls> If you stay logged in after a page refresh or two, that's really odd! hehe
[18:01:06] <DECbot> It's just as you say, logged in, trigger a page refresh, logged out
[18:01:25] <michealpwalls> Oh okay, so yea that makes sense
[18:01:38] <DECbot> sometimes I can do several pages, only to be logged out while trying to post a comment.
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[18:02:31] <michealpwalls> So you log-in perfectly fine, in the response though there is no cookie. That should be how it behaves if a proxy server or firewall is not sendign the cookie in the http response :)
[18:03:15] <DECbot> Yep, I'm going to turn off the proxy in FF and see if that fixes things. Thanks for the help.
[18:03:30] <michealpwalls> I wonder if maybe Slash should default to relaxed cookie settings.. Rather than hardened cookies by default..
[18:04:09] <michealpwalls> So that in these edge-cases, the site's still perfectly functional. In the cases where users want added protections they can increase the settings. *thinks*
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[18:05:07] <michealpwalls> I'll investigate more today before I bug the devs :)
[18:05:45] <DECbot> hmm... turning off the proxy in FF didn't change the behaviour.
[18:06:44] <DECbot> I wonder what lies between me, the hotel, cox cable (hotel ISP), and soylent that would be cause issues.
[18:07:03] <DECbot> Note to Self: no banking.
[18:07:27] <michealpwalls> def. a proxy/firewall I think
[18:07:37] <michealpwalls> It could be, too, a domain issue?
[18:07:45] <michealpwalls> iunno. I'm guessing at that point ^
[18:08:11] <michealpwalls> When I get to class I'm going to get a networking student help me setup a little test environment
[18:08:35] <michealpwalls> So I can try and see what exactly is going on when a proxy is eating cookies :)
[18:08:37] <DECbot> good chance that's the case. I bet they're running some fly-by-night software firewall to herd hotel guests.
[18:08:58] <michealpwalls> Yes you're probably right
[18:09:04] <michealpwalls> For "security" hehehe
[18:09:39] <DECbot> click the "I give up my rights box" for internet access.
[18:13:09] <DECbot> Well, thanks for the help. I bet a cookie monster proxy would be interesting to watch.
[18:13:58] <michealpwalls> lol no probs., sorry I couldn't get you logged in
[18:15:01] <mrcoolbp> DECbot: we've had some problems with proxies
[18:15:13] <mrcoolbp> I'm guessing we already cleared cache and cookies?
[18:18:28] <mrcoolbp> DECbot: https://github.com
[18:22:48] <DECbot> cookie settings are "One Year" and "My Subnet"
[18:23:10] <DECbot> It works just fine when I'm at work (behind known proxy).
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[18:23:24] <mrcoolbp> hmm, the "my subnet" might be throwing it off, you could try "Everywhere"
[18:23:52] <DECbot> I'm traveling this week and i'm in an unknown network (hotel)
[18:25:07] <DECbot> "everywhere" seems to be working
[18:25:53] <DECbot> still working with the old cache and cookies.
[18:26:00] <DECbot> (did not clear them)
[18:27:26] <mrcoolbp> cool
[18:29:13] <Teckla> http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk
[18:29:23] <Teckla> Symantec says anti-virus is dead [...] AV now lets through around 55 percent of attacks
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[19:42:58] <Blackmoore> Teckla: well of course they would say as much - a lot of the new viruses hide righ in the major anti-virus software.
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[20:06:51] <Thesis> So, what ever became of the name vote? I've read nothing more about it since the voting ended.
[20:16:17] <weeds> janrinok: had to take a call. Saw your comments. Thanks for looking.
[20:17:08] <Blackmoore> well NC is in the process of finding an apartment so he can set up the non-profit in NH. as i understand it that's not going as well.
[20:17:29] <Blackmoore> the staff has serious concerns about the vote. too little participation
[20:18:08] <Blackmoore> and NC has pointed out that the Soylent name could draw some legal trouble if MGM pops up.
[20:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, you're lucky to get 50% in a hotly contested presidential election. if we hit 20% i'd call it good.
[20:19:04] <Blackmoore> I think that they are looking to replace the voting mechanism and try again.
[20:19:39] <Blackmoore> too many people were unhappy with voting by email, and by the 3rd day Yahoo was activly blocking email to the vote address
[20:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nice
[20:19:52] <xlefay> Blackmoore: unfortunately not.
[20:20:55] <Blackmoore> xlefay: not going to try to fix the voting mechanism?
[20:20:58] <xlefay> Yes, a lot of people aren't happy about it, but unfortunately no, the voting mechanism isn't being changed; and there's no plan on extending it via any way (say, a web frontend) during this vote (for reasons, beyond me).
[20:21:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly cause changing boats midstream usually is not a good idea
[20:21:51] * xlefay notes he's just the messenger here, don't shoot me, k?
[20:23:19] <xlefay> We had testing phases, I'm thinking in the future perhaps, we should also have a testing phase that involves the community.
[20:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> would not be a bad idea to have a web frontend for the next round though. it's something that could be whipped up in a day, tested and debugged in one or two more.
[20:23:56] <Blackmoore> Didnt someone write one up?
[20:24:06] <Blackmoore> or am I just losing my mind
[20:24:17] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: less than a day really, depending on what you want of course. I & apparently, NCommander as well had the thought of making a simple, frontend that'd just take people's voting IDs and send the e-mail on their behalf.
[20:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, ya. i never give estimates in hours though. makes people think everything should take hours instead of days.
[20:26:06] <xlefay> Seems simple and non-untrusive to the system in itself.. but, that idea in itself was dismissed on sight "for this poll" ; I'm guessing practical reasons such as changing the process in the middle of it are involved.. but I'd really love to see more people take part of the last vote :/
[20:26:15] <xlefay> That's good
[20:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, i'd just sock votes in a temporary table in the db or in an entirely new db and tally from a mysql prompt
[20:27:25] <NCommander> xlefay, well, I tried to do something more involved, but I'm kinda ... $NO_TIME
[20:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, yep, that and lazy would be the reason i don't volunteer to write something better.
[20:28:41] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: it would have been dismissed anyway, it's pointless imo
[20:29:17] <xlefay> NCommander: yeah, I didn't for fear of pissing someone off - but, it doesn't matter at this point
[20:29:23] <xlefay> So staff meeting, then the voting continues?
[20:30:06] <NCommander> xlefay, I can't make the time mrcool|afk suggested
[20:30:11] <NCommander> I'm still in transit for the west coast
[20:30:17] * NCommander is taking a brief vacation
[20:30:28] <mrcool|afk> NCommander: I'm about to run off to work
[20:30:30] <xlefay> I'm guessing most can't.. so, we're going to delay longer than a week??
[20:30:39] <NCommander> xlefay, I told audioguy just to continue it. At this point, it just needs to be dead and done
[20:30:44] <mrcool|afk> NCommander: can you post to the staff list cancelling that meeting?
[20:30:46] <xlefay> Seems people are ansy to get it oer with
[20:30:50] <xlefay> over*
[20:30:51] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm going to write about it after the vote is done
[20:31:10] <NCommander> xlefay, and explain that we know about the problems in the system, and that while this wasn't ideal, go into what happened before, etc.
[20:31:12] * NCommander sighs
[20:31:24] <xlefay> I can't wait to see that post. Anyhow, I'm hoping *more* people are going to vote in this last phase.
[20:31:49] <mrcool|afk> just so everyone knows, we have added a bunch of people into the final round at their request
[20:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can pretend i'm from chicago and vote four or five times if it'll make you feel better.
[20:32:44] <xlefay> But I fear, firstly the excessive list of names put a lot of people off. I'm hoping, we'll at least announce it'll be a small list now (it is, going to be a small list, right?); and hopefully, this time, a lot more people (out of the limited amount that even signed up...) will vote.
[20:33:14] <xlefay> stderr: ping-pong, voting continues
[20:33:14] <mrcool|afk> xlefay: the list will be 10-12 names
[20:33:24] <xlefay> Woo, that's a lot better
[20:33:35] <mrcool|afk> note this was in the plan....
[20:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> plan shman, arbitrary despotism ftw
[20:34:27] <xlefay> Well, with the deviations from the plan, you can't blame me for asking for clarification
[20:34:46] <xlefay> or rather, deviation
[20:34:58] <Thesis> What I would like to know is how did the new Soylent Drink makers deal with using the name, since they are in business to make profit. Seems they would get pinched before anyone, unless they paid MGM to use the name.
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[20:35:03] <xlefay> but I'm glad we're continuing now, when are the e-mails going out?
[20:35:09] <mrcool|afk> xlefay, not blaming anyone
[20:35:43] <xlefay> mrcool|afk: cool, just making sure we're all on the same page. Keeping track of this voting stuff is a full days work
[20:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thesis, they'd win any lawsuit they could take to a verdict, almost no question. apparently they're willing to go that far.
[20:36:43] <NCommander> Thesis, legally speaking, trademarks only cover a specific field. i.e., Apple Comptuer/Apple Records
[20:36:50] * mrcool|afk leaves for work
[20:37:05] <xlefay> Practically speaking, it doesn't matter - they can just sue someone/group out of existence
[20:37:19] <NCommander> If soylentnews.org wins the vote
[20:37:20] <xlefay> mrcool|afk: alright, have a good day & take care man :)
[20:37:26] <NCommander> The runner up will likely just remained registered
[20:37:33] <Thesis> ...indeed, but being a food product, I think that is shakey ground, but I'm no lawyer.
[20:37:42] <NCommander> If we get hit with a C&D, we'll probably just change to runner up
[20:38:00] <NCommander> There are legal battles worth fighting, and some not worth fighting
[20:38:00] <xlefay> Hey, pipedot released their code w00
[20:38:02] <xlefay> t
[20:38:19] * NCommander has actually debated vetoing soylentnews.org from the vote after I noticed they were trademarked but ...
[20:38:20] <xlefay> .. auch soylent comments
[20:38:21] <Thesis> I would certainly have a secondary choice prepared and in waiting, just to be safe.
[20:38:36] <NCommander> Thesis, yeah. We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it
[20:38:54] <NCommander> Thesis, we had a late name pop up which is too good not to include in later rounds of voting, and I'm honestly hoping it takes it
[20:39:31] <Thesis> excellet news, I look forward to more news about the subject so we can move onward.
[20:39:51] <NCommander> Thesis, I want this name vote dead and done
[20:40:09] <xlefay> lol crutchy: "i wonder if we can convince the powers that be over @ soylent to have a look at the possibility of maybe using pipecode... they might even be able to use apache2 :-P
[20:40:12] <xlefay> "
[20:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> apache 2 is for quitters
[20:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> even minor versions get the stink-eye
[20:41:55] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, cool kids still use Apache 1.3
[20:42:11] * TheMightyBuzzard nods sagely
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[20:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, wish iceweasel would have forked far enough to not include australis.
[20:50:28] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, australis?
[20:50:33] * NCommander still uses stock firefox
[20:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, the massive ui nerfing in ff29
[20:53:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> do not like my browser telling me "that thing you were doing that worked for you? you can't do it anymore."
[20:55:24] <xlefay> Sad thing is, firefox & chrome keep heading in the same direction
[20:57:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. variety good, homogeneity bad.
[21:11:18] <Blackmoore> is the old source code available?
[21:12:10] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Pipecode Source Released - http://sylnt.us - sharing-is-good
[21:13:58] * NCommander has to debate what he's going to say about that
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[21:16:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, sure but i'm too lazy and the codebase is too insane for me to do my own fork of it.
[21:18:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't mind donating to a fork of the moz foundation to maintain a fork of FF though.
[21:20:40] <Blackmoore> Well I'm sure i dont have the chops to fork it and make it better; but i may be able to take a look and gut some crap out of it.
[21:21:52] <NCommander> Blackmoore, 35k LOC deleted from slashcode already :-)
[21:22:44] <Blackmoore> see - any old code can be made better by removing crap :P
[21:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> is indeed a beautiful feeling to gut and shitcan a bunch of someone else's hard work.
[21:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a possibility we're rat bastards.
[21:25:29] <Blackmoore> true.
[21:25:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i refuse to bend to peer pressure and finish mowing the lawn so it will look even and pretty. i'm asserting my individuality and having a nap instead.
[21:25:42] <Blackmoore> well.. here is the 1998 code..
[21:26:08] <Blackmoore> not exactly what i was looking for
[21:27:12] <Blackmoore> now i have the right place..
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[21:30:17] * NCommander is writing a comment about pipecode
[21:30:24] <NCommander> Really really hope I don't piss off bryan :-/
[21:32:13] <Blackmoore> hmm. i think i have come to the conclusion that i really don't have ANY feelings about which browser I'm using.
[21:34:14] <paulej72> michealpwalls: is see you have been looking at the db code in slash. Do you facny working on porting it pgsql?
[21:39:22] <NCommander> michealpwalls, plz say yes :-)
[21:39:31] <NCommander> paulej72, oh hai
[21:40:06] <paulej72> Hi NCommander. Did you see my nigth mode theme on Dev?
[21:40:14] <NCommander> paulej72, not yet
[21:42:13] <michealpwalls> paulej72: I'll def. put that on my list :)
[21:43:23] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: Congratulations! That's the view to success right there :)
[21:43:30] <paulej72> I would be nice to have another active slash dev on the team
[21:43:59] <michealpwalls> I'm going to start slow, paulej72 hehe
[21:44:33] <NCommander> paulej72, I can't decide if night mode looks awesome, or is boiling my eyes
[21:44:38] <michealpwalls> I wanted to work on the wiki a bit and try to eliminate or at least lower any barriers for new devs to come aboard
[21:46:41] <michealpwalls> Once I get started, I'll see if I can add pgsql to Slash::DB
[21:48:00] <paulej72> michealpwalls: I just remembered that I wanted to ask you to look at the dev how to on the wiki and see if you had any thing you wanted to add to the git section as i head you teach git to users.
[21:48:35] <michealpwalls> Yea, actually I was wondering if you wouldn't mind me turning your git section into a page and expanding it in spots?
[21:49:33] <michealpwalls> A page on git and a page on setting up Perl development environments (Also your section on the VM is great) would be really good for attracting, or at least making it easier for new devs to dive in head first
[21:52:06] * NCommander keeps pounding away at this manifesto
[21:52:26] <michealpwalls> Yea I would be useless for that kind of stuff LOL ^
[21:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> good documentation does make things a fuckton easier. means you can keep a pointer to the info instead of the entire data structure in memory.
[21:53:46] <paulej72> michealpwalls: go for it. we have the how to as a sperate page, but left it on the main dev page as we had links here in IRC that referenced it.
[21:54:07] * NCommander notes working with slash isn't quite as bad once you're properly indotroniated
[21:54:12] <paulej72> They have since been deleted
[21:54:46] <michealpwalls> ohh, that makes sense.
[21:55:16] <michealpwalls> Yea, but getting your feet wet initially is pretty terrifiying NCommander :O
[21:55:21] <paulej72> I am actually getting quite good at finding where shit is in slash, fixing it though is not always straight forward
[21:55:23] <michealpwalls> "It's attached to Apache?!"
[21:55:43] <NCommander> michealpwalls, yeah :-)
[21:55:53] * NCommander has to work with a lot of others people's code
[21:56:00] <NCommander> Probably why I had less issues jumping in than others did
[21:56:19] <michealpwalls> I'm still having an awfully tedious time finding the root of things.. Like where they initially begin. There's a lot of abstraction to traverse :/
[21:57:33] <michealpwalls> Yea I'm still new to that --An art in and of itself-- NCommander, getting into other people's code that is :/
[21:58:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> get "not going postal and choking someone" down and you're over halfway there.
[21:58:13] <NCommander> michealpwalls, yeah
[21:58:26] <michealpwalls> haha TheMightyBuzzard
[21:59:47] <michealpwalls> It doesn't help that I'm "learning" perl as I'm learning slash :D
[22:00:01] <paulej72> michealpwalls: what I am worried with slash and the db is that someone may have snuck in calls that do not go throught the standard Slash::DB calls and if so would break.
[22:00:54] <paulej72> michealpwalls: I am learing perl too as I have not coded with it much in about 8 years, and even then it was not much.
[22:01:06] <michealpwalls> paulej72: Yea that is where the tedious part would be. We'd have to audit the parts to make sure everything is using the abstraction layer. The other crap part is that, in Slash::DB, there's really more than 1 way to do things...
[22:01:33] <paulej72> What is real fun is the perl template lib has its own syntax that is somewhat like perl but not really.
[22:01:37] <michealpwalls> Like some things use sqlInsert() from that, others use sqlDo. They're really different hehe. Personally sqlDo doesn't seem right to me, but I have more to learn in that area...
[22:01:45] <michealpwalls> On first pass it seems like a security hole
[22:01:55] <NCommander> michealpwalls, Slash/DB/Utilities/Utilities.pm
[22:02:03] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I want to rewrite the entire thing to use stored proceedures :-/
[22:02:08] <michealpwalls> Yes ^
[22:02:14] <michealpwalls> Stored procedures and prepared statements
[22:02:18] <michealpwalls> That *eliminates* SQL injection..
[22:02:22] <NCommander> michealpwalls, which is suck with mysql
[22:02:26] <NCommander> hence why we want to migrate to postgres
[22:02:41] <paulej72> after finding and writing 5 billion stored procedures will we have them all :)
[22:02:46] <michealpwalls> Immunity, basically. Well, to expand on that (anti-troll...) the prepared statements must used bound parameters :D
[22:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> $dbh->prepare does too
[22:03:35] <michealpwalls> paulej72: Well, there's another way as well that I learned last semester in advanced DB. With a combination of Views and Triggers, we could do a lot of the heavy lifting right at the DB
[22:03:36] * NCommander thinks he has the basic bullet points of the manifesto finished
[22:03:45] <michealpwalls> Which is also the most efficient (That's what DBs are designed for hehe!)
[22:04:06] <NCommander> Right to Privacy, Right of Opinion, Right of Crititism, Right of Reversion, and Freedom of Topic
[22:04:37] <michealpwalls> TheMightyBuzzard: Yea, and the shorthand form of prepare and execute is "do", however all 3 of these (prepared statements) are just as vulnerable as a direct insert if the parameters are not bound, which sqlDo does *not* do
[22:04:40] <NCommander> From the manifesto
[22:04:40] <NCommander> Privacy is one of those things that seems to be diminishing bit by bit with each passing year. The fact of the matter is personal information is valuable to the right people, and it would just be easy to put something like AdWords up to collect revenue. The fact is though, this practice of selling user information has to stop. In many places, people can be and are prosecuted for their opinions; one can not run an effective forum f
[22:04:41] <NCommander> or discussion if people feel the grim-reaper is standing right behind them for posting.
[22:04:41] <NCommander> This "big brother is watching" mentality creates a chilling effect, preventing people from exercising their rights or speaking up. No one is immune to this, but the right to post anonymously goes a long way in helping breaking the chilling effect. We've made efforts to limit the amount of data collection we do, but we can go further. We've got the tor proxy available for users to use, and we'll be looking at ways to shore up users
[22:04:47] <NCommander> privacy as we get deeper and deeper into the backend.
[22:04:54] <michealpwalls> That's where I think sqlDo has a massive vulnerability.. Although, full disclosure, I'm a perl/DBI newbie :)
[22:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth, which is a good reason to avoid it. was going to say if using user input but no, best to avoid it period.
[22:05:41] <michealpwalls> TheMightyBuzzard: sqlDo is the method that slash defines/uses instead of directly using $dbh->do/$dbh->prepare/$dbh->execute
[22:05:54] <paulej72> I have never taken any formal DB training other than some introductoy stuff that came with a web developemet course I took. So if there is a better way to do it I am all for it.
[22:05:57] <michealpwalls> btw ^
[22:06:06] <NCommander> I think migrate 1:1 to postgresql
[22:06:18] <NCommander> Then start rewriting DB/PostgreSQL.pm to use stored proceedures function by function
[22:07:06] <michealpwalls> A lot of planning first ^
[22:07:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, shouldn't be that hard really. at least you'd be going sql to sql rather than the alternative.
[22:07:16] <paulej72> sqlDo will take anything a do it. It is so open it a bit silly
[22:07:24] <michealpwalls> But I agree hehe. I think the MySQL backend should be preserved (It's already fully designed to be this way)
[22:07:38] <michealpwalls> With multiple db "engines"/"providers" available to choose from ^
[22:07:47] <NCommander> michealpwalls, at one point slash was ported to work with postgres (7.x series), and VALinux tried to port it to Oracle
[22:08:36] <michealpwalls> paulej72: Yea it's weird. I was going to try to see if there was any spot in slash were user input ever was sent into sqlDo :/
[22:08:40] <michealpwalls> 'cause that would be crazytown
[22:09:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> well you can sanitize but it's better to sanitize and then not have to.
[22:10:07] <paulej72> michealpwalls: could be in users.pl editHome and the other edit fucntions. Very liitle san checking there.
[22:10:41] <michealpwalls> sqlInsert first calls sqlQuote... which in turn calls the $dbh->quote. That's actually a nice function, equiv. to mysqli_real_escape_string() for any PHP devs here. So sqlInsert is --hypothetically-- well suited for user input
[22:11:48] <michealpwalls> Of course... as a new/young developer I can't help but cringe at the thought of relying on some fucking *ancient* perl DBI library to protect us from "bad guys" ^
[22:11:57] <michealpwalls> But meh... It's not like slash is new, haha
[22:12:09] <michealpwalls> *thinks* again that's what they said about openSSL...
[22:12:11] <michealpwalls> :/
[22:12:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ancient also means well tested though, so in the words of a great man, don't get cocky, kid.
[22:12:34] <michealpwalls> Touche ^
[22:12:40] <michealpwalls> haha nice
[22:14:19] <NCommander> Well, to be blunt
[22:14:25] <NCommander> If there was an easily accessible SQL injection
[22:14:30] <NCommander> slashdot would have gotten pwned by now
[22:14:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not exactly low profile.
[22:14:55] <NCommander> Not saying there isn't any (there was one in 2008), but I'm not loosing sleep over it
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[22:15:20] <michealpwalls> That's very true
[22:15:29] <michealpwalls> If anything, sqlDo would only be exposed from an admin/control panel area
[22:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, i got distracted by the phone and forgot about that nap.
[22:15:50] <NCommander> the admin area needs to get purged
[22:15:53] <NCommander> *srsly*
[22:16:01] <michealpwalls> It's a plumbing method, for just getting shit done it seems. At least, that's what it looks like... The commentary (besides the hilarious Futurama quotes) is terse :/
[22:16:34] <michealpwalls> You're probably exactly right, though...
[22:16:44] <michealpwalls> In all likelyness it's hard as fuck (slash) hehe
[22:17:03] <NCommander> michealpwalls, we've got it in a straightjacket as well. AppArmor goes a long way to letting me sleep well at night
[22:17:23] <xlefay> michealpwalls: aah mysql(i)_real_escape_string, isn't that a pretty function?
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[22:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly though, it wouldn't take long to convert all do's to prepared and executed statements.
[22:18:03] <TK> Well I ended up here somehow
[22:18:14] <xlefay> (naturally, I'm joking) =)
[22:18:24] <michealpwalls> xlefay: LMAO if that doesn't work the mysql(i)_real_espace_honestlythistime_string
[22:18:30] <xlefay> rofl
[22:18:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, nope. Honestly, going to prepared proceedures would be straightforward as ****
[22:18:44] <michealpwalls> (rofl) needless to say, they've had more than one "crack" at it :)
[22:18:45] <NCommander> Once we're on a real database, it should be easy
[22:18:54] <xlefay> I wonder what Pipecode uses
[22:19:28] <xlefay> o.O?
[22:19:38] <michealpwalls> Yea there's nothing tricky about doing it, from a technical standpoint. Honestly it's the tedious non-technical part of checking the 50 million scripts that make up slash and make sure they all call the right, new method with the right arguments :/
[22:19:40] <xlefay> It uses MyISAM as the engine, isn't that the "Let my data go to hell"-engine?
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[22:20:07] <michealpwalls> Or re-write sqlDo... So that it's not sqlDo anymore but instead takes the input and sends it along to the proper method hehe
[22:20:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, no wheel reinventing
[22:20:41] <xlefay> or am I confusing it with another MySQL engine?
[22:20:43] <michealpwalls> I like php haha. I'd pick it any day of the week over perl for a web application :/
[22:21:07] <michealpwalls> xlefay: No you're right. MySQL is actually Frankenstein
[22:21:18] <michealpwalls> xlefay: It has the MyISAM engine in it, but also like 5 others hehe
[22:21:18] <xlefay> Yeah, but I'm talking specifically about it's engines
[22:21:30] <michealpwalls> Depending on it's mood, you'll be running one of the diff. engines?
[22:21:36] <xlefay> I've heard InnoDB is the best engine for MySQL, but.. I'm not going to confirm that
[22:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> michealpwalls, heretic. perl is the once n future king of text mangling.
[22:21:46] <michealpwalls> If you sacrafice a goat to the MySQL gods, you can use the InnoDB engine..
[22:21:51] <xlefay> nah, I'm just curious if MyISAM is the let-my-data-go-to-hell engine
[22:21:52] <NCommander> We use a mix of MyISAM and InnoDB
[22:21:52] <michealpwalls> That's the only path to enlightenment.
[22:21:58] <NCommander> That's actually why we can't do hot failover with mysql
[22:22:10] <michealpwalls> Iunno, I'm not a DBA expert hehe. I just program them to not be *as* retarded :D
[22:22:15] <xlefay> michealpwalls: I'd rather sacrifice them..
[22:22:22] <xlefay> Oops, did I say that out loud?
[22:22:47] <michealpwalls> LOL TheMightyBuzzard yea but it's like building an Apartment building with lego when you want to build a full-blown web application, like Slash.
[22:22:57] <michealpwalls> I mean, jesus.. Look at what those poor bastaards had to do just to make Slash.
[22:22:58] <michealpwalls> Crazytalk
[22:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff. even has the pointy bits to step on.
[22:23:18] <michealpwalls> 1 guy is re-implementing slash in php
[22:23:19] <michealpwalls> 1 GUY!
[22:23:24] <michealpwalls> Think about tha t:)
[22:23:27] <michealpwalls> hehehe
[22:23:28] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I recommend you look at pipecode's source :-)
[22:23:32] <xlefay> oh
[22:23:32] <michealpwalls> No haha
[22:23:34] <paulej72> if we do go to pgsql, we can make the db utf friendly
[22:23:39] <michealpwalls> Don't burst my bubble NCommander haha
[22:23:42] <xlefay> I just figured out how to do proper searches at github
[22:23:50] <xlefay> just put them in quotes, to not get a dozen or so invalid results.
[22:23:59] <NCommander> paulej72, the DB is UTF friendly; we're encoded UTF-8 in the backend
[22:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, there's a difference between mature, tested code and something one guy wrote as a general rule.
[22:24:02] <michealpwalls> I want to believe that pipecode is a beautiful example of well-form, object-oriented PHP5.
[22:24:05] <michealpwalls> I want to believe....
[22:24:20] <NCommander> michealpwalls, belief can't stand up to facts
[22:24:21] <JamesNZ> Belieeeeeve!
[22:24:23] <xlefay> michealpwalls: then don't look.
[22:24:27] <paulej72> xlefay: copy the code to a local machine and grep the hell out of it
[22:24:27] <michealpwalls> haha I haven't looked
[22:24:28] <michealpwalls> :)
[22:24:50] <NCommander> paulej72, I think our UTF-8 problems is to unicode encode/decode somewhere, but I'm damned if I know where
[22:24:50] <michealpwalls> Honestly... I haven't even figured out *why* Slash isn't utf8 friendly.. LOL.
[22:24:51] <xlefay> paulej72: I was about to do that and then I thought.. well, maybe, quotes will work
[22:24:51] <paulej72> NCommander: but not 4 byte utf friendly
[22:24:54] <xlefay> AND THEY DID!!
[22:24:59] <NCommander> paulej72, Perl isn't 4-byte UTF friendly
[22:25:00] <NCommander> :-P
[22:25:10] <michealpwalls> From what I've read so far, it seems perfectly geared for utf8 LOL. I'm obviously missing something :(
[22:25:18] <xlefay> https://github.com
[22:25:29] <michealpwalls> LOL don't you dare, xlefay!
[22:25:31] <xlefay> pipecode is procedural to the bone
[22:25:38] <michealpwalls> DON'T YOU DARE!
[22:25:44] <michealpwalls> *runs screaming, with fingers in ears*
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[22:25:46] <NCommander> xlefay, OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[22:26:03] <xlefay> I'm rather dissapointed at the lack of comments in pipecode
[22:26:15] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm disappointed about the lack of comments on pipecode
[22:26:18] * NCommander ducks
[22:26:28] <xlefay> It would be much easier to go through a source file, if you didn't have to read each line of code
[22:26:39] * NCommander should show xlefay what well commented code looks like
[22:26:42] <michealpwalls> At least he/she uses PDO (PHP Data Objects)
[22:26:50] <michealpwalls> It's a fucking *fantastic* database abstraction layer
[22:26:51] <xlefay> NCommander: hey, don't hate - they've got lots of SN haters!
[22:27:05] <xlefay> michealpwalls: the author wouldn't agree that it's fantastic
[22:27:12] <michealpwalls> Who cares about hit
[22:27:14] <michealpwalls> him
[22:27:15] <chromas> Is there a way to force remove a package without removing dependencies with apt-(get/cache/hundred other things)?
[22:27:21] <michealpwalls> LOL Linus calls git a hideious POS.
[22:27:23] <michealpwalls> But I love git :D
[22:27:27] <NCommander> xlefay, http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:27:49] <NCommander> chromas, dpkg -r --force-depends, but you should probably look at why a package is depending on shit
[22:27:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> linus gets his panties in a twist over lots of things
[22:27:54] <michealpwalls> hehe
[22:27:57] <NCommander> chromas, if you want to replace a file from a package, just use dpkg-divert
[22:28:21] <xlefay> NCommander: I love it
[22:28:39] <NCommander> * If your the poor SOB who has been assigned to debug this, I apologize in
[22:28:39] <NCommander> * advice, and may whatever $DIETY you believe in have mercy on your soul
[22:28:40] <NCommander> :-)
[22:28:57] <xlefay> michealpwalls: yeah, I like it too tho (git & PDO) ; just sayin' :P
[22:29:07] <xlefay> NCommander: I chuckled when I read that
[22:29:32] <chromas> I want to reinstall it. I should've first asked if there's a reinstall option
[22:29:41] <xlefay> if (substr($sql_server, 0, 4) == "http") { ehm, why would $sql_server have a http address in it?
[22:29:54] <xlefay> I believe there is, apt-get install --reinstall # but not sure how well it works
[22:30:20] <NCommander> chromas, aptitude reinstall
[22:30:21] <chromas> Muon quit asking for permission to apply and I have to sudo/kdesu run it now, so I wanted to see if kde-polkit broke or something
[22:30:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think --force would work just as well too
[22:30:28] <chromas> Thanks
[22:30:50] <NCommander> chromas, you can also use debsums to see what files have changed on your system (you need to give it an option to check config files as well)
[22:31:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, it likely won't override existing policies unless you purge them rather than remove
[22:31:34] <chromas> So there's a config somewhere for it. I don't know why I didn't think of that
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[22:32:14] <NCommander> --reinstall will preserve config files
[22:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, so definitely not what you're after
[22:32:41] <xlefay> but aptitude reinstall, won't?
[22:33:06] <chromas> I've found some forum postings where other people had my problem but the replies were basically just "use kdesu"
[22:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could probably just fix the policy too though i've no idea how since kde and i are not on speaking terms
[22:33:48] <NCommander> chromas, you might want to check syslog, I think polkit logs there or auth.log
[22:35:13] <xlefay> Pipecode has a long way to go from what I'm seeing, hopefully, other developers will help out
[22:35:33] <chromas> You can give pipecode the features you're culling from slashcode :-)
[22:35:50] <chromas> And by features, I mean 'features'
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[23:17:35] <xlefay> chromas: 'features', oh, you mean those who randomly pop up every once in a while?
[23:25:54] <Blackmoore> Port scanning?
[23:27:24] <xlefay> It still pops up every once in a while?
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