#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-26
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[00:00:07] * arti has a wireless mouse and keyboard at his office workstation
[00:00:10] <arti> its alright
[00:00:24] <michealpwalls> The wireless keyboard was the only thing holding back gaming whilst sitting on the couch in front of the big flat screen hehehe
[00:00:24] <arti> the lack of cords i'm still not used to
[00:00:31] <michealpwalls> 'cause couldn't reach the laptop's keyboard hehe
[00:00:34] <arti> sounds like a no brainer
[00:00:37] <michealpwalls> Yea
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[00:14:30] <Blackmoore> hmm. i hadnt thought of that. a wireless KB might make the wife laptop a option i can use.
[00:14:55] <michealpwalls> Yea, true. Some laptop keyboards are fucking unuseable by human hands :/
[00:15:02] <michealpwalls> Dunno what kind of hands they were designed for haha
[00:15:06] <Blackmoore> I'm normally loathe replacing the batteries
[00:15:36] <Blackmoore> but i'm a fumble fingered bastard. the laptop is damn nead unseable for me
[00:16:10] <Blackmoore> i treally wish i could resize my keyboard at will
[00:16:23] <michealpwalls> hehe
[00:21:01] <michealpwalls> "Between meetings and other lame things I gave up and wrote this rant instead. I'll continue to update this as I make more progress. I shall overcome the excrement flinging ape that is OpenSSL."
[00:21:02] <michealpwalls> hahahahaha!
[00:21:06] <michealpwalls> https://www.peereboom.us
[00:21:17] <michealpwalls> That was a fucking hilarious read
[00:35:58] <Blackmoore> :/ blocked. damnit
[00:37:00] <chromas> google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com
[00:43:18] <michealpwalls> thx chromas
[00:43:37] <chromas> if(0) :-)
[00:43:51] <michealpwalls> I've decided, and just talked my wife into it. I'm donating to the openBSD guys :)
[00:43:57] <michealpwalls> They are doing God's Work, as far as I'm concerned :)
[00:44:06] <michealpwalls> LOL
[00:44:37] <michealpwalls> LMAO chromas there's a while(0) in there, too :O
[00:44:42] <michealpwalls> Who does that? :P
[00:45:27] <chromas> That's what makes it so secure
[00:45:36] <michealpwalls> hahaha
[00:45:37] <chromas> Ain't nobody getting into that block
[00:45:42] <chromas> You know, unless they goto it
[00:45:46] <michealpwalls> Oh man
[00:54:42] <michealpwalls> At first I was all "Why hype it? So there's a bug, welcome to programming.." LOL but man this is absolutely *crazy*...
[00:55:18] <michealpwalls> How can something designed for secure communications be *so* laxed when it comes to common secure programming practices? So ironic, really! :O
[01:01:32] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - FBI Used No Fly List To Pressure Muslims - http://sylnt.us - we-will-never-abuse-these-laws-they-said
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[01:14:11] <Blackmoore> can someone please explain why goto has returned? I know damn well why we banished it.
[01:14:36] <chromas> Well obviously you have to get to that block somehow
[01:15:03] <chromas> and C doesn't have on error gosub :-)
[01:20:47] <stderr> chromas: signal() has been part of ANSI C for ... I don't know how long. Can't you use that? :-)
[01:21:05] <arti> stderr is our resident greybeard
[01:21:13] * arti is humble
[01:21:25] <chromas> No I just write to stderr and crash
[01:21:40] <arti> on his sofa
[01:21:44] <stderr> So YOU're the one who's spamming me!
[01:21:58] <arti> its not spam, its attention
[01:22:32] <chromas> exactly
[01:23:08] <chromas> But sometimes I want some privacy so I redirect you to stdout
[01:23:12] <stderr> In other news: Any editors around?
[01:23:34] <stderr> chromas: Please note that stdout.dk is also one of my domains...
[01:23:35] <arti> like notepad++, gedit, sublimetext?
[01:23:40] <stderr> (So is stdin.dk)
[01:23:56] * arti pencils in more notes about stderr
[01:23:57] * AndyTheAbsurd checks /names, notes lack of vi, vim, nano, pico, emacs, and friends.
[01:23:57] <chromas> Do they accept pipes?
[01:24:08] <arti> AndyTheAbsurd: and ee!
[01:24:13] <arti> chromas, most hobos do
[01:24:20] <chromas> vimacs.org
[01:24:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> ed, ex, edit.com if you're on Windows...
[01:24:34] <chromas> oops that exists
[01:24:42] <stderr> chromas: Some sockets are open, yes.
[01:27:29] <michealpwalls> Really informative comment: http://soylentnews.org
[01:27:34] <stderr> http://www.youtube.com
[01:30:07] <stderr> michealpwalls: Unfortunately the signature could have been better. Using sudo to run su?! WTF?!
[01:30:12] <Blackmoore> and yet i can buy welding equipment without training.
[01:30:33] <Blackmoore> use it? heh.
[01:35:17] <Blackmoore> there are days when union electrical work would be preferable. but too damn late for me.
[01:35:20] <stderr> Anyone here wasting time^W^Wplaying Minecraft?
[01:35:26] <Blackmoore> I play
[01:35:33] <arti> ive been experimenting with the c++ server, vanilla
[01:35:45] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org(More+info)
[01:35:57] <Blackmoore> yeah i saw that
[01:36:01] <stderr> And the demo servers at: http://gst.dk
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[01:36:16] <Blackmoore> that would be a bit more useful
[01:36:20] <arti> oh yeah saw that
[01:36:30] <Blackmoore> i am not downloading a terrabyte
[01:36:54] <stderr> Can you tell me how easy it is find the right location in the game, if you only have the real life latitude/longitude?
[01:37:15] <Blackmoore> *facepalm
[01:38:18] <stderr> Blackmoore: ?
[01:38:30] <Blackmoore> well, it is supposed to be 1:1. so if you HAD located a set point on the map
[01:39:00] <Blackmoore> you SHOULD be able to caculate positions
[01:39:03] <stderr> I haven't played Minecraft, so I don't know if it's using lat/long...
[01:39:21] <Blackmoore> but I'll be damned - i dont know the formula
[01:39:33] <Blackmoore> no minecraft doesnt
[01:39:34] <stderr> It's also not clear if 1:1 means 1m == 1m or 1 degree == 1 degree.
[01:39:44] <Blackmoore> 1m to 1m
[01:40:08] <michealpwalls> stderr: Indeed! (was distracted LOL)
[01:40:18] <michealpwalls> The sudo to su remark
[01:42:01] <stderr> Why is everyone in love with sudo? And why haven't people read the man page so they don't do silly things like "sudo su"?
[01:42:29] <Blackmoore> wolfram alpha says 1 degree would be eh. that cant be right
[01:42:39] <Blackmoore> sudo "make me a sandwich"
[01:42:46] * stderr is a proud member of team alias sudo="echo make it yourself #"
[01:43:36] <stderr> Blackmoore: Wait? What?! You use spaces in command names?!
[01:45:41] <arti> hah
[01:45:53] <michealpwalls> stderr: When in Rome. On systems with sudo setup, I use it.. Otherwise su -c 'foo' works just as well :/
[01:46:00] <arti> make lunch --with-sandwich
[01:46:00] <michealpwalls> Ubuntu, for example. Sudo :P
[01:46:41] <Blackmoore> stderr: I'm a super user ! I do what I want!
[01:46:42] <stderr> arti: Make a proper Makefile, so you can do make lunch=sandwich
[01:47:12] <michealpwalls> My kids machine runs Fedora, I still havent' been arsed to setup the sudoers file
[01:47:16] <Blackmoore> and then you find that someone left out the dependency on the bread,
[01:47:39] <michealpwalls> ./configure sandwhich
[01:47:40] <Blackmoore> and the code for the Mayo is a horible recursive mess
[01:47:44] <michealpwalls> make & make install
[01:47:45] <michealpwalls> GG NO RE :P
[01:48:12] <Blackmoore> (and the NSA put a backdoor in the lettuce)
[01:48:26] <michealpwalls> NSA wrote openSSL :P
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[01:48:30] * chromas whips up his own mayo
[01:48:33] <michealpwalls> while(0)
[01:48:37] <michealpwalls> haha
[01:49:31] <stderr> $ make lunch=sandwich
[01:49:32] <stderr> Here is a sandwich for lunch
[01:49:32] <stderr> $ make lunch="bag of coke"
[01:49:32] <stderr> Here is a bag of coke for lunch
[01:49:35] <stderr> :-)
[01:49:46] <michealpwalls> LOL
[01:49:59] <michealpwalls> a big bag of coke for lunch?!
[01:50:04] <michealpwalls> Jesus!
[01:50:12] <Blackmoore> as long as the coke is under GPL
[01:50:25] <stderr> Blackmoore: Well, the bag is open...
[01:50:27] * arti dusts the goat
[01:50:32] <Blackmoore> coke for EVERONE!
[01:50:38] * arti gets out a credit card and a mirror
[01:50:46] <michealpwalls> lol
[01:50:50] <stderr> Blackmoore: s/^/FREE /
[01:50:51] <SedBot> <stderr> <Blackmoore> FREE coke for EVERONE!
[01:50:51] <arti> oh, not donut time eh
[01:51:06] * arti unrolls a single
[01:52:10] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Pentagon Scientists Show Off Robot And Prosthetics - http://sylnt.us - for-humanitarian-uses-we-promise-military
[01:53:20] * stderr deletes a Makefile and a (now empty) directory.
[01:53:43] <stderr> ... and there was much rejoicing.
[01:53:52] * arti gnashes teeth
[01:56:25] <michealpwalls> "The demand is for programmers who know CICS, DB2, VSAM, IMS, etc. "
[01:56:34] <michealpwalls> wooOT! I know IBM's DB2 (hifive)
[01:56:45] <michealpwalls> And JCL. He forgot JCL! *gasps*
[01:56:55] <arti> legacy code
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[01:57:04] <michealpwalls> JCL is the glue, really. Job Control Language is actually really fucking cool..
[01:57:37] <michealpwalls> It literally can glue together *any* random technology you can think of.. it abstracts away everything, even disks, database results and etc. (Return cursor from DB2 and wrap it in JCL)
[01:57:43] <michealpwalls> It's actually quite incredible..
[01:59:34] <michealpwalls> Out of my entire class though, I was the only one that enjoyed "IBM's z/OS Mainframe Environment" :/
[01:59:45] <michealpwalls> LOL I thought the class was fucking awesome! Apparently I'm a weirdo :(
[02:01:44] <Blackmoore> lol
[02:01:48] <michealpwalls> *maybe* the most profound class I've taken yet. IBM engineers absolutely ooze intelligence haha. I learned so much just reading just their example code :)
[02:02:07] <Blackmoore> ok gents - have a good night. i hear whiskey calling my name
[02:02:17] <michealpwalls> hehe have a good night, Blackmoore :)
[02:02:57] <michealpwalls> My professor always pronounced CICS as "kicks" LOL
[02:03:09] <Blackmoore> *wlks off sining irish drinking songs*
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[02:08:05] <n1> good evening
[02:08:11] <arti> good evening
[02:10:31] <n1> everyone must be out having fun this friday night
[02:12:33] <stderr> Silly people... They should do something much more fun like me... I'm trying to decide which perl module to use.
[02:12:54] <michealpwalls> Hi
[02:13:42] <chromas> perlpython
[02:13:52] <michealpwalls> How is n1 today? :)
[02:14:32] <michealpwalls> Yea Python is clearly the "hip" and "with it" language to use, stderr ;)
[02:14:32] <n1> can't complain thanks, relaxing after a busy week.
[02:14:42] <michealpwalls> I hear you there n1! :)
[02:14:49] <n1> doing the same, michealpwalls?
[02:15:10] <stderr> michealpwalls: Python is a perl module?
[02:15:12] <michealpwalls> Yea. Found that article on Soylent about the Atlas robot.. Now watching some video clips of it.
[02:15:15] <michealpwalls> Incredible! :O
[02:15:43] <michealpwalls> haha stderr I don't think so? Think chromas was joking :P
[02:16:06] <n1> michealpwalls, well that will make me feel better if no one comments on it ;)
[02:16:11] <chromas> Yeah insert wink
[02:16:41] <stderr> Oops, sorry chromas, didn't see you there. Only saw the highlighted line from michealpwalls...
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[02:17:20] <chromas> I guess I have to highlight people to start a holy war
[02:17:22] <stderr> Anyway... Time for some dinner and then back to looking a documentation to see what sounds most "sane"... (And then pick the other option)
[02:18:19] <stderr> chromas: Well, the rest of the server side code for this project is in perl, so I think I'll stick with that.
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[02:19:07] <michealpwalls> I found the dog I wouldn't mind having: https://www.youtube.com
[02:19:10] <michealpwalls> Man's new best friend!
[02:19:11] <michealpwalls> :)
[02:19:33] <chromas> no way, man; you should totally port everything to nodes.js on rails using a ram-only db because it's webscaler
[02:19:58] <crutchy> you should totally do it in microsoft access with VBA
[02:20:20] <michealpwalls> :O
[02:20:54] <crutchy> btw... good morning folks :-D
[02:21:03] <crutchy> first coffee time
[02:21:12] <michealpwalls> We should port slashcode to node.js and run it in the cloud?
[02:21:23] <michealpwalls> On Microsoft Azure! (hifive)
[02:22:14] <crutchy> (hificw)
[02:22:18] <crutchy> oops
[02:22:33] <crutchy> finger trouble
[02:22:45] <crutchy> (hifive)
[02:23:26] <chromas> We should make an system that stores data across Amazon, Azure and whatever other clouds. "It's not just cloud; it's sky! Put your cash here"
[02:24:31] * crutchy joins chromas in his holy war against perl... *omg this is his gourd!*
[02:24:42] <crutchy> chromas is the messiah!
[02:25:06] <chromas> Does that mean I have to come twice?
[02:25:32] <crutchy> no it means i have to follow you all over the interblags
[02:26:27] <stderr> use common::sense;
[02:26:59] <crutchy> ZOFG! my little 5yo girl just did a fucking huge man-burp!
[02:27:51] <stderr> http://search.cpan.org
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[02:34:46] * SpallsHurgenson opens a Win7 command prompt and notices en environment variable NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=8
[02:34:47] <crutchy> g'day marty,spalls
[02:35:11] * SpallsHurgenson changes it to NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=16 and revels in the unbridled power
[02:35:14] <crutchy> maybe two existing cores had cybersex and spawned a new one?
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[02:35:43] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day!
[02:40:22] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, death to google+ at last? http://arstechnica.com
[02:43:11] <crutchy> they probably just realised they were starting to spend money like the US DoD
[02:43:49] <SpallsHurgenson> as one commenter put it, they had more google+ engineers than users :)
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[02:50:37] <michealpwalls> haha
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[02:51:02] <SpallsHurgenson> hmm, let's try that again
[02:51:09] <SpallsHurgenson> Step 1: Windows8/Metro Step 2: Kill XP (and Vista, and 7) Step 3: release Windows9 as a subscription based product. http://arstechnica.com
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[03:00:51] <chromas> We've already got newsfeed, comments and chat. Add email and embedded pictures then we'd have Soylent+
[03:01:26] <SpallsHurgenson> ServerFarmville!
[03:04:19] <chromas> The Varnish server went too long without being watered and has wilted. 06:37:03 is added to NCommander's clock.
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[03:11:16] <michealpwalls> wireless keyboard ftw! :)
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[03:12:14] <SpallsHurgenson> neural implants for the winninger!
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[03:41:33] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - The Other Soylent Finally Ships - http://sylnt.us - but-it's-not-green
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[04:09:10] <SirFinkus> woohoo, just got back from the living computer museum
[04:09:13] <SirFinkus> lots of new stuff
[04:09:52] <SirFinkus> the PDP 10 was working
[04:11:55] <SirFinkus> their website isn't very up to date or exhaustive though
[04:14:31] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, computers are just a fad; they'll never catch on!
[04:15:35] <crutchy> 512kb is enough for anyone
[04:19:58] <SpallsHurgenson> 512b, you mean
[04:20:40] <crutchy> oh yeah that's waay huge
[04:20:50] <crutchy> you can fit a whole OS in that
[04:22:37] <SirFinkus> I love how with punch cards, the measurement was "words per inch"
[04:24:04] <SirFinkus> oooh, new logo?
[04:24:41] <SpallsHurgenson> presumably in honor of soylents incorporation in NH
[04:24:59] <crutchy> we're starting a suicide cult
[04:25:02] <SirFinkus> ahh, missed that
[04:25:15] <SpallsHurgenson> finally new hampshire serves a useful purpose :)
[04:25:31] <SirFinkus> come to think of it, "google doodle" type events would be kind of neat
[04:25:44] <SpallsHurgenson> "To celebrate this milestone, I've temporarily changed the site logo and slogan to reflect our status. "
[04:26:04] <SirFinkus> for events, like linus's "probably won't be big like minux" post
[04:26:14] <crutchy> lol
[04:26:16] <SirFinkus> err, or was that GNU hurd?
[04:26:27] <crutchy> it's just a little personal project i think
[04:26:31] <crutchy> nothing big
[04:27:13] <SirFinkus> I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.
[04:27:43] <SirFinkus> which is hilarious in retrospect, considering there still isn't a GNU kernel you'd actually want to use
[04:27:50] <crutchy> lol
[04:27:55] <SpallsHurgenson> hopefully, you will FINALLY create an OS that knows how to automatically create (and hide) the porn stash
[04:28:04] <SirFinkus> "it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. "
[04:28:35] <crutchy> torvalds could so turn dr evil on the world
[04:29:05] <crutchy> or brain from pinky and the brain
[04:29:10] <crutchy> lol yeah that
[04:29:28] <crutchy> stallman is pinky
[04:29:59] * SpallsHurgenson prefers to think of Torvalds as becoming a Dr. Horrible
[04:30:50] <crutchy> "giop... what are be going to do do tonight linus?" "same thing we do every night, stallman... try to take over the world!"
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[04:38:05] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, tomorrow I think I'll give another whack at getting the old AMD dual-core running again
[04:38:37] <crutchy> old?
[04:38:45] <crutchy> that's what i'm using atm!
[04:39:06] <SirFinkus> shit, I wish I had an old AMD dual core
[04:39:08] <SpallsHurgenson> it's a 2006 Athlon X2 Dual core
[04:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> it keeps turning off after five or ten minutes. I think it's overheating
[04:40:07] <SirFinkus> that's what I'd check
[04:40:10] <kobach> lol
[04:40:12] <SirFinkus> there might be rats
[04:40:18] <kobach> what about my athlon xp 3200+
[04:40:30] <SirFinkus> lol that's what I have
[04:40:51] <SpallsHurgenson> except I think I already swapped the heat sink, so I dunno.
[04:41:19] <SirFinkus> thermal paste and all that?
[04:41:24] <crutchy> lol i think that's what mine is too
[04:41:36] <SirFinkus> could be the chipset too
[04:41:44] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, although I've never been good at judging how much paste to put on :)
[04:42:01] <crutchy> i think mine came with prepared gel
[04:42:14] <crutchy> i know i didn't have to paste anyway
[04:42:14] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: that's what I'm afraid of. I did look at the caps and they seem okay.
[04:42:21] <SirFinkus> I honestly think it doesn't matter all that much as long as there aren't any air bubbles
[04:42:34] <SirFinkus> does the chipset have any fans on it?
[04:43:00] <SpallsHurgenson> don't remember (and can't check without moving furniture :)
[04:43:08] <crutchy> lol
[04:43:11] <SirFinkus> those tiny fans seems to fuck themselves up pretty easily
[04:43:12] <crutchy> mine is "AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 255 Processor"
[04:43:27] <SirFinkus> you and your fancy dual cores
[04:43:46] <SpallsHurgenson> "AMD Athlon-64 X2 4800+ Dual Core", "ASUSTek A8N32 SLI Deluxe nForce4", "BFG GeForce 8800 GTOC2 512MB GDDR3",
[04:44:14] <crutchy> i want sli
[04:44:17] <SirFinkus> lol I had the same mobo
[04:44:24] <SirFinkus> it does have a little fan
[04:44:27] <Bytram> I'm running a single core: AMD Athlon(tm)64 Processor 3200+
[04:44:34] <SirFinkus> it failed on mine and it cooked itself
[04:44:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I hate futzing around with the HSF, ever since I cracked one years and years ago trying to get those damn clips on :)
[04:45:24] <SirFinkus> I bet you that's what happened, it had the same symptoms with mine, except sometimes it wouldn't even post
[04:45:34] <Bytram> mine is from around May of 2005 and still runs okay
[04:45:40] <SirFinkus> once it did, it'd stay up for a while, then crashed
[04:45:50] <kobach> Bytram: you and your fancy 64bit
[04:45:51] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, this posts fine. The temp just goes up until "click", power off :)
[04:46:17] <SirFinkus> when I was a kid, 32 bit was enough for everyone
[04:46:26] <Bytram> kobach: yeah, but it's only running win/xp 32
[04:46:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm just going to try cleaning off the cpu and then slathering on tons of new paste :)
[04:46:37] <SirFinkus> check the chipset fan
[04:46:42] <kobach> im sorry to hear that
[04:46:59] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: actually, you're better off with too little; too much and it acts like an insulator
[04:47:07] <kobach> ^
[04:47:17] <SpallsHurgenson> hush, I want to slather!
[04:47:37] <SpallsHurgenson> (hmm, the mobo doesn't have a fan... just heat pipes :)
[04:47:53] <SirFinkus> really? Maybe you got a different revision
[04:48:14] <SirFinkus> mine had a really anemic heatsink with a tiny fan on it
[04:48:23] <Bytram> do you have a temp meter running so you can watch what happens?
[04:49:22] <Bytram> I use mobilemeter.exe which I originally got from: http://www.softpedia.com
[04:49:31] <crutchy> conky++
[04:49:31] <deadbeef> karma - conky: 1
[04:49:33] <SpallsHurgenson> Bytram: alas, no. but IIRC, you could see the temps in the BIOS go up.
[04:50:28] <Bytram> correction: the program that actually runs is called: mobmeter.exe
[04:50:44] <SpallsHurgenson> come to think of it, I think that was the first AMD chip I had that was smart enough to turn itself off before catching fire. Very cool technology :) :) :)
[04:51:04] <Bytram> It shows the CPU freq, CPU temp, and disk temp
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[04:52:18] <SpallsHurgenson> Bytram: I don't think the computer booted windows fast enough for me to run an app before it overheated and shut down :) :)
[04:52:28] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, it's a project for tomorrow.
[04:52:34] <SpallsHurgenson> unless I forget, or get distracted :)
[04:52:48] <Bytram> what I especially like about it is that it can be set up to show a graph of these over the past few seconds (I'm guessing about a minute's worth)
[04:53:32] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: oh swell. that kinda puts a kink in things. :(
[04:53:33] <SpallsHurgenson> personally, I blame the kitteh; all her fur is probably clogging the fans :)
[04:53:36] <Bytram> nograb
[04:53:48] <Bytram> THAT would do it!
[04:54:31] <SpallsHurgenson> sunday's project will be to shave the cat :)
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[04:54:38] <Bytram> I recall a story a while back about a tech trying to repair a laptop... had a really fowl smell... but wasn't from a bird. the cat peed on it.
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[04:55:11] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: just make sure you give the cat a good bath before hand. =)
[04:56:52] <Bytram> home
[04:59:08] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of the old anecdote about the computer tech who goes to help a user fix a problem with their mouse. turns out it was an actual rodent that died inside the computer
[05:11:41] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Big Changes for Google+ on the Horizon - http://sylnt.us - all-change-please
[05:24:30] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: yech!
[05:24:44] * Bytram whistles "three blind mice"
[05:25:06] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
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[07:28:05] <NCommander> evening world
[07:31:01] <crutchy> evenin' NCommander
[07:31:47] <crutchy> i discovered a new git command today
[07:31:54] <crutchy> git commit -a
[07:31:56] <crutchy> :-)
[07:34:29] * NCommander is alive properly
[07:35:51] * crutchy is having some hot soup and programming bucket messages
[07:42:15] <NCommander> crutchy, bucket? xkcd's bucket?
[07:51:41] <crutchy> bucket messaging: https://github.com
[07:51:43] <crutchy> :-P
[07:51:53] <crutchy> probably not the most elegant name for it
[08:22:04] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - OnePlus Entering Smartphone Market with CyanogenMod - http://sylnt.us - progress-coming-soon
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[08:45:19] <chromas> I don't know what ex-chat is but the web insists it starts with an s
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[09:14:34] <swiss> hallo
[09:24:18] <crutchy> g'day swiss
[09:24:58] <swiss> my car is getting more and more expensive
[09:25:48] <crutchy> i think its the same everywhere
[09:26:01] <crutchy> wtf is @ http://sylnt.us
[09:26:10] <crutchy> some kind of url shortener?
[09:28:47] <chromas> Yep
[09:28:47] <swiss> yeah
[09:29:07] <swiss> crutchy: i'm debating putting $2700 suspension on the car i paid $3200 for initially
[09:29:39] <crutchy> what is there to debate?
[09:29:45] <crutchy> sounds like a bad investment
[09:29:53] <crutchy> imho
[09:30:08] <swiss> i've already put a $2400 motor into the car
[09:30:10] <crutchy> unless you can sell it for more that is
[09:30:21] <swiss> it's more like, i'll enjoy the car a lot more like that
[09:30:28] <crutchy> i gues
[09:30:30] <NCommander> xlefay, you around?
[09:30:50] <crutchy> well, you gotta spend your money on something... might as well be something enjoy :-)
[09:31:22] <crutchy> NCommander: he's prolly dreaming of waffles
[09:31:23] <swiss> yeah
[09:31:54] * NCommander fixed neon so its ready to be put into service
[09:51:12] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - 1:1 Model of Denmark in Minecraft - http://sylnt.us - testing-fracking-in-minecraft
[09:55:14] <chromas> I think iRpg needs more events, like item stealing and dropping
[09:55:55] <crutchy> fucking array references
[09:57:45] <NCommander> paulej72, I loaded the dev database into the production cluster (as a new DB :-)), and I'm repointing lithium at it
[09:57:54] <NCommander> Need a way to test and debug reader/writer
[10:07:53] <crutchy> NCommander: did you figure out what i meant by programming bucket references?
[10:08:05] <NCommander> crutchy, not really
[10:08:22] <crutchy> they're just arrays
[10:09:10] <crutchy> but they're constructed using messaging through pipes
[10:09:20] <crutchy> fun stuff
[10:13:50] <crutchy> buckets... filled using pipes... lame i know :-P
[10:14:11] <chromas> Buckets carry soylent muffins to us
[10:16:33] <chromas> Which reminds me I never submitted the soylent muffin logo back when it was relevant. Maybe we should have random logo changes like google
[10:16:58] <crutchy> chromas++
[10:16:58] <deadbeef> karma - chromas: 7
[10:17:06] <crutchy> ^^^coool idea
[10:17:38] <crutchy> not sure about the slashfart side
[10:17:41] <NCommander> Ok, got DBIx::Password sorted on dev
[10:17:46] <crutchy> but cool idea nonetheless
[10:18:07] <chromas> We can have a blocky one when NCommander gets up MuffinCraft
[10:18:21] <crutchy> wtf? muffincraft?
[10:18:28] <NCommander> Minecraft server
[10:18:39] <chromas> It's muffins all the way down, now
[10:19:28] <crutchy> as much as i would love to play minecraft, i'm never even downloading it let alone opening it up
[10:19:43] <crutchy> minecraft is evil
[10:20:46] <chromas> I played the free/version 1 or whatever for a bit once. A nephew has it on his gamebox, PC, phone; probably all incarnations of i
[10:23:04] <chromas> But right now, programming's more fun :) When I try to play a game it just feels tedious and slow—the computer calls to me
[10:23:56] <crutchy> IRCiv will be chock full of awesomeness
[10:24:36] <crutchy> will be programmer friendly, cos if it isn't i'm not going to play it myself
[10:25:22] <chromas> Will it have volumetric landscape so I can bury hidden treasures and the bodies of NPCs so I don't get found out as a murder and be shunned by other NPCs?
[10:27:27] <NCommander> w00t
[10:27:36] <NCommander> Ok, dev is working with reader/writer split
[10:28:01] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 lithium.li694-22:58687 neon.li694-22:mysql ESTABLISHED
[10:28:01] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 lithium.li694-22:53407 helium.li694-22:mysql ESTABLISHED
[10:28:03] * NCommander dances
[10:36:32] <crutchy> does that mean neon reads and helium writes or something like that?
[10:36:37] <crutchy> or both read/write?
[10:37:25] <crutchy> chromas: i honestly have nfi at this stage :-P
[10:37:35] <crutchy> but i don't see any reason why not
[10:37:46] <crutchy> we just have to program it that way :-D
[10:38:06] <chromas> Then we'll just need picks and hammers and stuff
[10:38:20] <chromas> soon it will be mIRCneCraft
[10:38:36] <crutchy> :-/
[10:38:42] <crutchy> lol
[10:39:19] <crutchy> we can be mIRCenaries
[10:41:15] <crutchy> i think i'm reasonably happy with buckets
[10:41:42] <crutchy> any bugs are usually not related to the system, just the script using it
[10:42:10] <crutchy> (like setting an array reference before overwriting the array)
[10:43:02] <crutchy> chromas, i found your exec page too; very nice :-)
[10:43:31] <chromas> Thanks. I just tweaked what you already did and then took all the credit :-D
[10:43:58] <crutchy> i'm just going to update some bits... there's more templates
[10:44:17] <crutchy> might add some mention of buckets and the cmd.php event handler
[10:44:31] <chromas> Oh yeah, I didn't do any updates
[10:44:53] <crutchy> we can trigger scripts on irc cmd events, like joins/parts/modes/nicks etc
[10:44:55] <NCommander> crutchy, both read, helium is the master, so all writes go there
[10:45:06] <crutchy> ah
[10:45:06] <NCommander> crutchy, if we ever need a third DB server, then it will be one writer, two readers
[10:45:28] <NCommander> crutchy, for my next magic trick, I need to implement failover :-)
[10:46:39] <crutchy> *drumroll*
[10:48:49] <chromas> *drumroll continues...*
[10:49:49] * crutchy creates a bot to contrinue drumroll so he can go back to munching code
[10:50:10] <crutchy> ^and wiki pages :-P
[11:20:19] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - JAXA Planning Orbital Solar Farm - http://sylnt.us - that-cant-be-safe
[11:23:44] <crutchy> pfft china maybe, but japan?
[11:24:01] <crutchy> lol i misread... they're just "planning"
[11:24:18] <crutchy> they been reading too many nasa press releases
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[12:40:20] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - It's Insanely Easy to Hack Hospital Equipment - http://sylnt.us - I-hope-that-their-physical-security-is-better
[12:42:23] <chromas> "Doctor, I've got a hacking cough" *EXPLOIT!* Excuse me.
[12:51:35] * arti stretches
[12:51:48] * crutchy salutes arti,chromas
[12:52:10] <arti> greetings
[12:52:17] * chromas returns salute and hopes nobody notices if it's not quite right
[12:52:23] * arti crashed out last night ~ 19:00
[12:54:49] * crutchy usually smacks himself in the head when saluting
[12:55:12] * crutchy passed out at about 4.30am
[12:56:08] <arti> got some food with a buddy after work and then got really sleepy
[12:56:20] * arti shares some cream cornets
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[12:57:55] * chromas notes that in his experience, it's usually a bad sign when that happens and that arti should probably check his back ports for exploits
[12:58:24] <arti> heh
[12:58:41] <arti> it was curry and rice man, and i was operating on about 6 hours of sleep
[12:59:46] <chromas> Hey, I just had that
[13:00:00] <chromas> although I over-mustarded it a little
[13:00:11] * arti had it with tonkatsu
[13:00:31] <chromas> Chicken here
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[13:03:29] <arti> nice
[13:03:53] * arti loaded up on snack items
[13:08:42] <chromas> I had to look that up. Lol. Need to expand food varieties or stuff
[13:10:04] <arti> lots of food out there
[13:10:21] * chromas just upgraded kernel and now NVidia driver won't build
[13:10:31] <arti> bleh :(
[13:20:48] <chromas> .topic s/!/ SOYLENT!/
[13:23:01] <crutchy> what OS chromas?
[13:23:49] <chromas> Suse
[13:24:04] * chromas is dirty like that
[13:24:15] <crutchy> ouch
[13:25:01] <crutchy> i guess you checked out nvidia's website?
[13:25:32] <chromas> Should check for an update one but that is where I got it from
[13:26:24] <crutchy> debian testing repos are usually pretty good (except for latest releases) but never used suse
[13:26:47] <crutchy> i've never had to compile nvidia drivers for debian
[13:28:27] <chromas> The log is full of complaints about the NVidia source. Incomplete types and stuff
[13:28:45] <arti> you must find the keymaster
[13:30:07] <crutchy> hahahaha YES!!!
[13:30:13] <crutchy> buckets...are done!
[13:30:27] <crutchy> inc save/load from file :-D
[13:30:52] <crutchy> till chromas finds a bug anyways :-P
[13:31:22] <chromas> Cool
[13:31:39] <crutchy> arti, if torvalds can't find the keymaster, the rest of us are fucked
[13:32:50] <chromas> Also lynx gets a 403 from the NVidia site. I guess I'll just have to conform and install Deb/Ian Does Dallas like everyone else
[13:34:35] <chromas> Links works
[13:36:07] <crutchy> join the debuntus :-P
[13:36:32] * crutchy pushed to github
[13:44:10] * chromas downloads driver from phone and pushes to desktop over sftp...or ftps. Whatever
[13:44:38] <arti> wot kinda driver?
[13:44:59] <chromas> NVidia
[14:00:21] <chromas> Well that did it. Just needed to update driver. Who knew a few months of minor versions would completely change the API?
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[14:10:32] <NCommander> well this will be interesting
[14:10:57] <arti> going to interface with some more chatbots?
[14:11:28] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Space-X Sues to Compete with Russia - http://sylnt.us - free-market-national-security
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[14:44:20] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody! :)
[14:52:06] <crutchy> g'day michealpwalls
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[15:04:11] <michealpwalls> mirc drops this connection every now and then, or is that the soylent irc server? :/
[15:04:46] <michealpwalls> [08:52:40] * [10053] Software caused connection abort
[15:06:01] <crutchy> oh that one's caused by arti's tacos clogging the tubes
[15:06:24] * arti hasn't had any issues staying connected
[15:06:30] <crutchy> i'm afraid plunging is your only option
[15:07:09] <michealpwalls> Damn you arti!
[15:07:15] <michealpwalls> Should have figured it was his fault :P
[15:07:25] <michealpwalls> hehe
[15:07:32] <crutchy> i've told him to stop offering us food :-P
[15:07:36] <michealpwalls> It's probably my side, network issues I guess?
[15:07:50] <michealpwalls> I'm the kind of guy that plugs things in, resets passwords and call it "setup" :)
[15:09:36] <crutchy> i'm one of those guys that plumbs it up, turns it on, and then has to unplug the usb kb and plug it back in to get it to work, and calls it "set up"
[15:10:17] <crutchy> i just don't shut down my pyewta very often :-P
[15:10:31] <michealpwalls> lol
[15:10:38] <crutchy> or something else might bork
[15:11:36] <michealpwalls> mirc forum: "-some have the prob not while dcc sending, but when idle for long periods of time. try creating a channel and using a timer to make a post every so often."
[15:11:45] <michealpwalls> Isn't that what the keepalive is for? :/
[15:11:55] <michealpwalls> Or wait, LOL is there a keepalive?
[15:12:20] <arti> ping pong
[15:16:38] <crutchy> hmm never heard of that prob before
[15:16:48] * crutchy puts in exec todo list
[15:17:11] <michealpwalls> It's minor, just my OCD LOL. It seems to only really happen when I leave the client idle
[15:17:15] <xlefay> http://docs.dal.net
[15:17:17] <michealpwalls> Now that I think about it ^
[15:17:28] <crutchy> i could make a random funny status message
[15:17:31] <michealpwalls> thx xlefay. Reading now ;)
[15:17:42] <crutchy> g'day xlefay!
[15:18:11] <michealpwalls> I'm wondering, if I do a ping every x minutes would that keep it alive, or would that make the server gods angry? LOL
[15:18:20] <michealpwalls> meh, lemme read that first before trial/error :P
[15:18:30] <crutchy> only if you try to hit on them michealpwalls
[15:18:38] <crutchy> like ciri did NCommander
[15:18:40] <crutchy> :-P
[15:18:43] <michealpwalls> LOL well how else would I ping? :P
[15:19:37] <crutchy> random fortune?
[15:19:41] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I won't care, but it won't fix the problem (it's just a work around).
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[15:20:01] <crutchy> fortune
[15:20:02] <exec> Next to being shot at and missed, nothing is really quite as satisfying
[15:20:02] <exec> as an income tax refund.
[15:20:02] <exec> -- F. J. Raymond
[15:20:03] <xlefay> Morning crutchy, I'm going back to bed. Ciao.
[15:20:09] <crutchy> cya matey
[15:20:50] <michealpwalls> Hrmm! So, for some unknown reason the server closes my connection? Pfft obviously racist
[15:20:51] <michealpwalls> :)
[15:21:23] <crutchy> yeah... it has a problem with speed
[15:21:24] <xlefay> michealpwalls, no. It does specifically say, there's a client-side error, essentially, your client doesn't PONG back on time, thus, it's client side.
[15:21:34] <michealpwalls> In all honesty, it's a good design. Mostly it happens when I have legitimately forgotten about mirc and it is sitting minimized for awhile haha
[15:21:47] <michealpwalls> So in practice, it's like I'm in a convo and it kills my connection hehe
[15:22:09] <michealpwalls> s/it's /it's not/
[15:22:09] <SedBot> <michealpwalls> So in practice, it's notlike I'm in a convo and it kills my connection hehe
[15:22:16] <michealpwalls> Meh close enough
[15:22:17] <michealpwalls> LOL
[15:22:26] <crutchy> use a real client... like windows hyperterminal :-P
[15:22:44] <crutchy> real men manually pong the server
[15:22:49] <michealpwalls> haha
[15:23:38] <xlefay> I've never had that specific problem except with mIRC, though.
[15:23:58] <michealpwalls> In 3 days mIRC is forcing me to switch back to XChat anyways :P
[15:24:02] <michealpwalls> trial period haha
[15:24:19] <crutchy> mIRC is payware!?
[15:24:20] <xlefay> Skip XChat and go straight to HexChat, it's a "better" variant of XChat.
[15:24:27] <janrinok> Any sys/dev guys here who can join me on #staff for a moment to help me resolve a problem pse?
[15:24:31] <xlefay> crutchy, indeed it is, and it's a very decent client last I used.
[15:24:33] <michealpwalls> Ah, will do! thx :)
[15:24:35] <xlefay> janrinok, I'm not here.
[15:24:45] <janrinok> Whi isn't here?
[15:24:48] <janrinok> who*
[15:24:53] <crutchy> he's asleep
[15:25:02] <arti> crutchy: there's something amazing about discovering that
[15:25:02] <crutchy> his comments are just your imagination :-P
[15:25:23] <michealpwalls> They're scripted autoresponses
[15:25:26] <michealpwalls> hehe
[15:25:32] <xlefay> On that note, I'm going back to bed. Good luck michealpwalls. (note, if you go use hexchat, use SASL to identify... ;-))
[15:25:38] <janrinok> lol thx
[15:25:48] <michealpwalls> hehe kk, 'night :)
[15:25:56] <crutchy> night xlefay
[15:26:09] <janrinok> sleep well xlefay
[15:26:24] <xlefay> I won't but thanks. Ciao.
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[15:43:06] <michealpwalls> There :)
[16:02:12] <michealpwalls> LOL it's too quiet in here.
[16:02:18] <michealpwalls> I'm concerned :P
[16:05:35] <crutchy> i'm working on an IRCiv map generator
[16:05:58] <michealpwalls> iv?
[16:06:38] <arti> civ
[16:06:39] <exec> IRCiv: by crutchy
[16:08:50] <crutchy> michealpwalls, just if you're interested in going down the rabbit hole: https://github.com
[16:09:25] <michealpwalls> *cautiously sticks head into the hole*
[16:10:29] <crutchy> https://github.com is what i'm currently working with
[16:12:46] <crutchy> civ
[16:12:47] <exec> IRCiv: https://github.com
[16:12:56] <crutchy> that's a bit more useful :-P
[16:13:26] <arti> hahaha
[16:13:28] <arti> this is so awesome
[16:13:34] <arti> i'm cruising job offers
[16:13:37] <arti> job postings
[16:13:41] <arti> This is an entry level, full-time position within the company.
[16:13:49] <arti> req: At least 2 year work experience
[16:13:54] <crutchy> gotta start somewhere
[16:13:54] <arti> HAHA
[16:14:04] <crutchy> oh lol
[16:14:30] <crutchy> better give that one to the department of contradictions
[16:15:02] <crutchy> hmm spose not nececelery a contradiction
[16:15:11] * crutchy crawls back down rabbit hole
[16:15:28] <michealpwalls> Oh d'oh! I should be using set_time_limit() too on that stupid bulk mail script!
[16:15:32] <michealpwalls> Nice crutchy ;)
[16:16:06] <crutchy> whatever i've done, everyone else prolly does something different :-P
[16:16:24] <crutchy> my stuff is a bit hacky
[16:16:33] <arti> understatement of the year
[16:16:40] <michealpwalls> I like it! :)
[16:16:41] <crutchy> i used an eval last night
[16:16:47] * arti twitches
[16:17:03] <michealpwalls> objects are for eskimos! (hifive)
[16:17:18] <crutchy> arti: https://github.com
[16:17:29] <arti> think i found a fucking place
[16:17:35] <arti> they want me to send in my fav bash.org quoet
[16:17:46] <crutchy> hahaha
[16:18:00] <crutchy> maybe that's their version of an iq test
[16:18:40] <michealpwalls> That's weird :/
[16:18:59] <michealpwalls> What is the job?
[16:19:04] <michealpwalls> Err, position
[16:19:12] <crutchy> missionary
[16:19:21] <crutchy> to africa
[16:19:27] <crutchy> :-P
[16:20:09] <michealpwalls> I believe it.
[16:26:49] <michealpwalls> exec-up
[16:26:49] <exec> exec up: 0d 2:57:32
[16:27:11] <crutchy> most of that script was written by chromas
[16:27:15] <crutchy> :-)
[16:28:01] <michealpwalls> It's interesting! I like it :)
[16:28:12] <crutchy> btw if you feel like documenting any of your findings, feel free *wink wink* :-P
[16:28:22] <michealpwalls> haha I was going to say..
[16:28:26] <crutchy> documentation isn't my strong suit
[16:28:30] <michealpwalls> The most terse documentation/comments ever seen :O
[16:29:10] <crutchy> in 6 months i'll prolly forget how the damn thing works
[16:30:17] <michealpwalls> haha
[16:31:14] <michealpwalls> Took me most of that time to figure out what it was ;)
[16:31:16] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:31:20] <crutchy> i usually try to write it so that i can read the code
[16:31:25] <crutchy> hahaha
[16:31:49] <crutchy> some of it is a little... err... misdirecting :-P
[16:31:55] <michealpwalls> haha yes
[16:32:29] <crutchy> you gotta think outside the... process
[16:32:47] <michealpwalls> 1 Infinite Loop dr.
[16:32:54] <crutchy> hahahaha
[16:32:59] <michealpwalls> hehehe
[16:33:09] <crutchy> i'm not scared of while (True)
[16:33:15] <michealpwalls> haha
[16:33:28] <michealpwalls> COuld be worse... openSSL isn't afraid of while(0)
[16:33:29] <michealpwalls> :/
[16:33:37] <michealpwalls> Still trying to wrap my head around that gem!
[16:33:40] <crutchy> lol
[16:33:58] <crutchy> it's very secure
[16:34:04] <michealpwalls> haha
[16:34:05] <crutchy> impossible to run by accident :-P
[16:34:17] <crutchy> impossible to run at all
[16:34:32] <michealpwalls> lol it's for NSA :P
[16:34:49] <crutchy> they keep all their secrets in that loop
[16:34:57] <michealpwalls> Clearly you get into it with a simple goto statement?
[16:34:59] <michealpwalls> har har har
[16:35:07] <crutchy> lmao
[16:35:24] <crutchy> open in hex editor, change jne to je
[16:35:37] <michealpwalls> One of my professors would make the point by simply asking them to flowchart it
[16:36:01] <crutchy> here it is: [ ]
[16:36:04] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[16:36:15] <crutchy> nice empty flow chart
[16:36:25] <michealpwalls> "As you see, you don't go there. Top secret."
[16:36:25] <crutchy> my kind of flow chart :-D
[16:36:28] <michealpwalls> hah
[16:36:50] <michealpwalls> My kind of comments: /** Refer to code below **/
[16:36:59] <crutchy> lol
[16:37:33] <crutchy> i can't bring myself to write comments that just paraphrase what the code is *supposedly* doing
[16:37:46] <michealpwalls> haha
[16:37:55] <michealpwalls> My comments are done by NetBeans, if at all
[16:38:24] <michealpwalls> More and more I get it.. but I'm still too lazy to do it. You're *supposed* to write the comment headers first.. Then code to that specification :/
[16:38:30] <michealpwalls> Buuuut, who really does that? I mean REALLY!?
[16:38:36] <crutchy> my code is probably a bit more wordy and verbose though to try help make it easier to follow, even if it's not the most efficient or compact
[16:39:16] <michealpwalls> Besides I did that once... First I flowcharted... Then I wrote comment headers... Then I started coding. Then I changed some things. Think I was going back to RE-document? Fuck that noise!
[16:39:18] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:39:28] <crutchy> yeah
[16:39:56] <michealpwalls> haha that's why you wont see me picking on the OpenSSL guys (Read: guy) for the retarded documentation... I've *so* been there :/
[16:40:06] <crutchy> comments also don't get checked by the interpreter/compiler for correctness anyway, so they might be really well written and perfectly wrong
[16:40:06] <michealpwalls> LOL but the code is.. Well. Yea. Haven't been *there* :)
[16:40:20] <michealpwalls> haha yea exactly
[16:40:35] <michealpwalls> "Returns false when xyz" (But really it's yzx :P )
[16:41:13] <michealpwalls> Really when xyz happens it throws an exception now. Added in 1.3 but comment never updated :P
[16:41:54] <crutchy> i like little (terse lol) comments that indicate why i do something
[16:43:00] <michealpwalls> They've indoctrinated me into commenting... verbose commenting :/
[16:43:03] <michealpwalls> The college, I mean
[16:43:13] <michealpwalls> It's habbit now, it just happens :/
[16:43:15] <crutchy> i'm self taught
[16:43:17] <crutchy> :-)
[16:43:20] <michealpwalls> }// end if statement (why)
[16:43:21] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:43:30] <crutchy> hahaha
[16:43:45] <michealpwalls> I went in self taught... So like I resisted it furiously.
[16:44:01] <crutchy> actually that kind of thing for html can be useful, esp if there is a lot of div nesting
[16:44:21] <crutchy> </div> <!-- id -->
[16:44:24] <michealpwalls> Yea
[16:44:44] <michealpwalls> Same with if, while, for, switches etc. It can get ugly hehe
[16:45:58] <michealpwalls> For the headers, I let the IDE start them. Basically write the method/function and then at the top put /** and once you hit enter, NetBeans self-documents it with all the @params, @returns, @throws etc.
[16:46:01] <michealpwalls> Really nice (y)
[16:46:14] <crutchy> mkay
[16:46:42] <michealpwalls> NetBeans-PHP. Sooo nice :)
[16:46:52] <michealpwalls> It's worth the 3 days it takes to start it sometimes har har har
[16:46:54] <crutchy> i tried netbeans.. for about 1/2 hour
[16:46:59] <michealpwalls> haha
[16:47:26] <crutchy> syntax highlighting is all i need
[16:47:40] <michealpwalls> I'm in love with the refactoring and XDebug :O
[16:47:44] <crutchy> tabs are nice too
[16:47:53] <crutchy> xlefay uses xdebug
[16:47:54] <michealpwalls> Ah fuck I'm so bad with typos.. LOL syntax highlighting only gets me so far
[16:48:13] <crutchy> i'm a bit of a diehard debugger
[16:48:27] <crutchy> gotta do it manually using var_dumps etc
[16:48:43] <crutchy> no stepping through
[16:49:00] <michealpwalls> Its' like *runs* "fuck, double ;;", *runs* "a fuck sakes, too many }'s" and repeat 12 times before the POS runs. With NetBeans it underlines red for me :P
[16:49:07] <michealpwalls> yellow etc.
[16:49:17] <crutchy> yeah a bit of that lol
[16:49:41] <crutchy> though nowadays i tend to pick basic sytax probelsm up reasonably quick
[16:49:51] <crutchy> usually logic problems take me longer
[16:50:17] <michealpwalls> Don't get me wrong, I rocked Geany for years! LOL
[16:50:34] <crutchy> xlefay was looking at exec in phalcon i think it was and he said it didn't give him much
[16:50:40] <crutchy> i use gedit
[16:50:43] <crutchy> gedit++
[16:50:43] <deadbeef> karma - gedit: 4
[16:50:45] <crutchy> :-)
[16:50:53] <michealpwalls> Gedit's nice. Ever use Kate?
[16:50:59] <crutchy> i heard of that
[16:51:01] <michealpwalls> I like Kate more than Gedit
[16:51:05] <crutchy> i don't use kde though
[16:51:08] <michealpwalls> It's the KDE editor
[16:51:14] <michealpwalls> Yea that's the downside to it :/
[16:51:33] <michealpwalls> on Windows I use Geany. The "hip" and "with it" editor is notepad++ though. Meh.
[16:51:50] <michealpwalls> On OS X I use TextWrangler. Really nice
[16:52:03] <crutchy> is use gedit on windows too :-P
[16:52:07] <crutchy> s/is/i/
[16:52:08] <SedBot> <crutchy> i use gedit on windows too :-P
[16:52:12] <michealpwalls> tabs, tree view and etc. Has a whole bunch of nice features + syntax highlighting
[16:52:30] <michealpwalls> Is there a nice package? I'm so lazy :P
[16:52:34] <michealpwalls> Time strapped, really haha
[16:52:46] <crutchy> i saw a screen cap of phalcon. looks pretty nice, but it's not free :-(
[16:52:58] <crutchy> um gedit has a windows installer i think
[16:53:01] <michealpwalls> Ewww I don't do non-free :P
[16:53:04] <michealpwalls> Not yet, at least.
[16:53:15] <michealpwalls> Oh nice. I should try the installer :P
[16:53:18] <crutchy> yeah it would have to be hugely better
[16:53:27] <crutchy> otehrwise gedit it is :-P
[16:53:44] <michealpwalls> Not even that, like I don't even fucking buy dreamweaver or photoshop. Gimp all the way! (hifive)
[16:54:01] <crutchy> i use gimp a bit, though i barely scratch the surface
[16:54:10] <michealpwalls> Through the college I got the entire MS stack for free, so when in Rome.. But I'm not paying for no fucking photoshop that's just crazytalk
[16:54:17] <michealpwalls> I could feed the kids for a month on that kinda money..
[16:54:23] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:55:41] <michealpwalls> I got a huge VMware stack for free, too.. That shit is really cool! Their VMWare Fusion for OS X lives up to the whole "It just works(tm)" spheel :O
[16:56:08] <michealpwalls> Which is nice, honestly, when you've got authority giving you unrealistic timelines. That's why I find myself on windows and os x more often than not usually :/
[16:56:12] <michealpwalls> I just don't have time haha
[16:56:27] <crutchy> vbox is nice
[16:56:39] <crutchy> never used vmware though
[16:56:43] <michealpwalls> Yea on windows I use vbox (Oddly enough)
[16:57:09] <michealpwalls> vmware on windows is.. too involved. I didn't see the benefit (Although I only use a small percentage of VM software, not like I have some virtual server farm going on..)
[16:58:30] <michealpwalls> Oh speaking of involved... You guys should install/setup IBM's DB/2 on linux. Or actually *use* the virtual terminals to connect to a z/OS mainframe from linux. Needless to say I didnt' run linux in Mainframe or advanced DB classes :)
[16:59:07] <crutchy> z/os?
[16:59:18] <michealpwalls> IBM's mainframe os
[16:59:20] <michealpwalls> It's badass!
[16:59:23] <crutchy> i'm not cloning dinosaurs :-P
[16:59:27] <michealpwalls> LMAO!
[16:59:29] <michealpwalls> touche
[16:59:59] <crutchy> i've read bits about it though
[17:00:13] <crutchy> just on wikipedia
[17:00:41] <michealpwalls> It's pretty awesome, to be fair. Confusing as fuck to get into at first but the more familiar I got the more I realized how awesome it is.
[17:00:56] <crutchy> what do you do with it?
[17:01:02] <crutchy> if don't mind me asking
[17:01:06] <michealpwalls> Anything you want? :P
[17:01:25] <crutchy> how well does it run gedit?
[17:01:35] <michealpwalls> In practical terms, it's what runs all banking infrastructure (ABMs etc. are dumb terminals that connect to a single mainframe, running IBM's z/OS most likely)
[17:01:52] <crutchy> that's what i figured
[17:01:59] <crutchy> 'big iron'
[17:02:04] <michealpwalls> LMAO it could run Linux in a container and then run gedit
[17:02:10] <arti> nothing can come close with the IO
[17:02:20] <crutchy> arti, have heard that
[17:02:33] <arti> plenty of cool stuff on those high end systems too
[17:02:41] <crutchy> runs on that backplane sort of shit
[17:02:43] <arti> "wow there's hardware for that?"
[17:02:58] <michealpwalls> Yea the IO and that is just absolutely crazytown. I wrote a prime number generator and let it run in a loop. It was like done and returned as I pressed enter :/
[17:03:09] <michealpwalls> It didn't hit me, like what had just happened, until I opened the fucking output file...
[17:03:10] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:03:19] <michealpwalls> That motherfucker made a lot of prime numbers, fast
[17:03:31] <michealpwalls> Like a fucking retarded amount..
[17:04:34] <michealpwalls> Still though, probs couldn't run Crysis well.
[17:04:36] <michealpwalls> BAZINGA!
[17:05:11] <crutchy> gta vice city: z/os edition
[17:05:22] <arti> just hookup the renderer to output ascii
[17:05:25] <crutchy> run over grannies at the speed of light
[17:05:27] <arti> play that shit through a terminal
[17:05:40] <michealpwalls> haha
[17:05:59] <arti> http://www.jfedor.org
[17:09:47] <michealpwalls> The hardest thing is IBM's documentation, to be honest. All of their stuff is really well engineered, brilliant stuff.. Trying to read the documentation requires a college-level course in and of itself.
[17:09:55] <michealpwalls> "Navigating IBM documentaiton 1001", or something? LOL!
[17:09:59] <arti> haha
[17:10:12] <arti> maybe you can write a Doc2eng converter
[17:10:17] <arti> "it says you're fucked"
[17:10:31] <michealpwalls> haha you'd need a mainframe for that kinda processing :O
[17:10:50] <michealpwalls> For which you'd have to read IBM documentation. It's like an endless circle :?
[17:11:40] <arti> you should apply, become a solutions expert
[17:11:44] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - British Public Trust Google More than Partners - http://sylnt.us - but-I-wouldn't-trust-Google-with-my-partner
[17:11:51] <michealpwalls> I have applied at IBM (blush)
[17:11:59] <michealpwalls> Internship (hifive)
[17:12:04] <michealpwalls> Did'nt get a response :(
[17:12:33] <arti> meh that sucks
[17:12:40] <arti> oh well, onwards!
[17:13:05] <michealpwalls> Yup!
[17:16:52] <michealpwalls> I'm not expert, but wouldn't an "orbital space farm" that essentially is solar-panels-in-space be exceptionally vulnerable to "space debris" (Rocks?)
[17:17:42] <crutchy> they have space-fences to keep the rocks out
[17:17:54] <crutchy> and space rock dogs
[17:18:01] <arti> its all about the netting
[17:18:05] <crutchy> watching over the flock of solar sheep
[17:18:06] <arti> just like at golf courses
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[17:19:24] <michealpwalls> LOL crutchy
[17:19:44] <crutchy> actually they would be solar sheep dogs
[17:19:56] <michealpwalls> That can't be real (netting, space dogs or space-fences)
[17:26:33] <michealpwalls> You guys ever seen this TED talk about grid-level power storage? (giant liquid metal batteries) https://www.ted.com
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[18:05:29] <crutchy> fortune
[18:05:29] <exec> If it wasn't so warm out today, it would be cooler.
[18:09:06] <arti> heh
[18:11:15] <crutchy> michealpwalls: just found a use for while(0)
[18:11:53] <crutchy> http://www.php.net
[18:12:12] <crutchy> ripoff of the ol' goto
[18:14:06] <mrcoolbp> hey guys!
[18:14:16] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[18:14:24] <mrcoolbp> I'm trying to write a FAQ page for the site, need some advice
[18:14:34] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure I like this line: "We split off from Slashdot a few months ago due to feelings that the current owners are mismanaging that site"
[18:14:37] <michealpwalls> hrmm
[18:14:53] <mrcoolbp> in response to "Where did you come from?"
[18:14:59] <crutchy> i suck @ documentation
[18:15:06] <mrcoolbp> er "Where did *it* come from
[18:15:13] <crutchy> maybe just start with... "fuck beta!"
[18:15:27] <michealpwalls> Really, crutchy? (while(0) I mean hehe)
[18:15:30] <michealpwalls> Weird!
[18:16:06] <mrcoolbp> hmm, I think I'll re-word it, I'd rather mention "the other site" as little as possible
[18:16:22] <crutchy> do { bunch of code with break statements to escape from the code block (like a goto would) } while (0);
[18:16:25] <michealpwalls> Oh!
[18:16:28] <mrcoolbp> it's tough though, as that *is* where most of us (all of us?) come from
[18:16:35] <michealpwalls> That's hidiously confusing :(
[18:17:12] <crutchy> for those with goto-phobia
[18:17:52] <michealpwalls> I think goto is terrible from a design point of view, it makes the code much harder to read and maintain :/
[18:18:16] <michealpwalls> ... Good find though!
[18:18:33] <crutchy> its a bit old school... i don't think i've ever used one personally
[18:18:41] <michealpwalls> I find it odd that while(0) actually runs though. I read it as the complete opposite...
[18:18:55] <michealpwalls> As though it would *not* run.. 'cause the zero... LOL :/
[18:19:02] <crutchy> only in a do { } while (0);
[18:19:07] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:19:15] <michealpwalls> Interesting..
[18:19:25] <crutchy> while (0) { } won't run the code in { } of course
[18:19:45] <michealpwalls> And that would make sense to me har har
[18:20:05] <crutchy> in pascal/delphi the equiv is a repeat statement
[18:20:13] <crutchy> which makes more sense to me
[18:20:17] <crutchy> but similar
[18:20:27] <crutchy> repeat
[18:20:29] <crutchy> begin
[18:20:31] <crutchy> end
[18:20:40] <crutchy> until condition;
[18:20:54] <crutchy> hmm actually don't need begin/end
[18:24:07] <chromas> mrcoolbp: "We had become dissatisfied with existing 'news for nerds' solutions but contrary to other project forks, we couldn't just change 'open' to 'libre'."
[18:24:29] <mrcoolbp> awesome, love it
[18:24:33] * mrcoolbp copypastas
[18:25:01] <crutchy> "/. turned to shit... so we dumped it"
[18:25:19] <mrcoolbp> that too
[18:25:41] <mrcoolbp> okay it reads like this now, it may need refining:
[18:25:41] <mrcoolbp> We had become dissatisfied with existing 'news for nerds' solutions but contrary to other project forks, we couldn't just change 'open' to 'libre'." In the spirit of Open Source, we set out to make a community-centric news site rather than just complain about corporate overloards. We forked an old public release of Slash, the code that runs Slashdot, and proceeded to modernise and improve upon
[18:25:41] <mrcoolbp> it.
[18:26:27] <crutchy> "then...after smoking a lot of pot... someone came up wiith the name SoylentNews"
[18:26:49] <mrcoolbp> aw crap, did I leave that out? Thanks Crutchy
[18:26:51] * mrcoolbp adds that in
[18:28:25] <chromas> s/overloards/overlords/
[18:30:05] <chromas> And then s/overlords/Tim Lords and the Slashdot Five/
[18:30:43] <crutchy> don't forget "something something something dark side"
[18:31:25] <crutchy> and not trusting any man who owns a pig farm
[18:32:57] <mrcoolbp> chromas: lol, thanks
[18:33:33] <chromas> And we preferred corporate overlords who listened to their community instead of rolling the dice
[18:33:50] * mrcoolbp slow claps
[18:34:42] <mrcoolbp> meh, rather not anger the large sue-happy orgs though.
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[18:37:37] <chromas> True. Any barbs should be subtle like the changes from October beta to February beta
[18:38:10] <crutchy> there is going to be a fuckload of data traffic in this game
[18:38:16] <crutchy> i hope pipes are quick
[18:39:40] <chromas> There's always sockets. Then you can easily change to network sockets when it gets too big for one server
[18:40:20] <crutchy> true
[18:40:34] <crutchy> i don't think it would be hard to adapt to sockets
[18:40:53] <crutchy> socket handle is very similar to a pipe stream
[18:41:31] <crutchy> though the execution would still have to be local
[18:42:28] <crutchy> might be easier just to have instances of the existing bot running on different machines serving different channels
[18:42:30] <chromas> Be sure to over-engineer it with message checksums and encryption and dropbears oh my
[18:43:03] <crutchy> lol i don't listen to hiphop
[18:43:32] <crutchy> ^old fart joke
[18:44:05] <chromas> The Wizard of Oz is electro pop
[18:44:27] <crutchy> more like electrostatic
[18:45:04] <chromas> So it needs phantom power then
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[18:48:52] <crutchy> g'day n1
[18:49:39] <n1> afternoon
[18:53:37] <n1> i'm guessing we wont be getting any new submissions from 'snotnose' any time soon
[18:54:37] <crutchy> dunno, why?
[18:54:53] <crutchy> have we offended him/her?
[18:55:55] <n1> i think you replied to the comments on the Space-X article... I replied to a comment he/she made a couple about not making submissions because they couldn't get the HTML right... I said it was fine, just include the url and the summary, a unique writeup is better than flawless html
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[18:56:34] <n1> so he did just that, and the comments from his submission were not encouraging
[18:57:27] <n1> "summary and tfa are crap, should be removed from the site"
[18:57:41] <crutchy> there are some dingbats who would prefer to have nothing to comment on
[18:57:55] <crutchy> i dunno why they bother commenting at all
[18:58:26] <n1> it's very frustrating when things like that happen
[18:58:51] <n1> especially when i think i convinced someone to make submissions, and thats the feedback they get from the community.
[18:59:20] <crutchy> i don't think it's widespread... there are the odd ones that post AC
[18:59:41] <crutchy> i get some... but i like it when someone picks a fight :-P
[19:00:40] <n1> i'll admit i've been quite pleased that sometimes registered users and AC's do defend the editors and submitters
[19:01:05] <crutchy> i'm a troll though. i can understand that it would offend some, especially those who are new to posting
[19:01:18] <crutchy> you need a thick skin
[19:01:22] <n1> the negative feedback stands out over the positive when you're trying to be constructive
[19:01:30] <n1> indeed
[19:02:24] <n1> i'll blame my failures on being half asleep, but it's not like anyone would have appreciated that i was still editing at 5am this morning, even if i didn't make mistakes.
[19:03:23] <n1> i'm not complaining either, it's to be expected really
[19:12:25] <crutchy> it's 3am here now
[19:12:42] <crutchy> where are you n1
[19:12:45] <crutchy> ?
[19:12:48] <arti> earth
[19:13:22] <crutchy> ^ citation needed
[19:13:23] * arti offers cream cornets
[19:13:58] <crutchy> lol arti i'm still trying to plunge whatever you offered last time out of the tubes
[19:14:00] <crutchy> :-P
[19:14:19] <crutchy> you need to liquify whatever you offer :-)
[19:15:10] * crutchy isn't sure if liquified cream cornets would be appealing
[19:19:00] <n1> London, UK
[19:19:01] <arti> maybe to someone without a jaw
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[20:32:25] <michealpwalls> It's still a good submission..
[20:34:03] <michealpwalls> Not sure why people get their panties so out of place hehe. I find it quite unfair that SpaceX doesn't even get to compete on the contracts. Wouldn't have known that prior to submission, plus the commentary that followed :)
[20:34:06] <michealpwalls> Positive, IMHO :P
[20:40:22] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Robocopulation - http://sylnt.us - Dead-or-alive-you're-coming-with-me.
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[22:39:55] <xlefay> 19<NCommander> xlefay, you around? | depends, what's up?
[22:40:10] * arti o.o
[22:42:03] <xlefay> He's been idling for the past 30 minutes.. assuming he's AFK (and he is supposed to be in Rochester iirc)
[22:42:27] <NCommander> xlefay, boom
[22:42:33] * NCommander is in Rochester
[22:42:33] <xlefay> "boom"?
[22:42:49] <NCommander> That's what Rochesterians say to each other
[22:42:51] <NCommander> boom
[22:42:54] <NCommander> boom boom boom boom
[22:42:59] <NCommander> boom boom, bump
[22:43:05] <xlefay> Fun fact, boom means tree here.
[22:43:11] <xlefay> (in my language that is, anyway)
[22:43:13] <NCommander> Traditional Rochester greeting, dealing with hail and potholes
[22:43:24] <xlefay> I see
[22:43:34] <NCommander> I .. can't remember why I pinged you
[22:43:39] <xlefay> You highlighted me ages ago, I'm assuming you needed something?
[22:43:52] <xlefay> I see. I'll bbl
[22:43:54] <NCommander> I probably did
[22:44:03] <NCommander> xlefay, cya
[22:44:26] <xlefay> Good luck in Rochester.
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[23:27:08] <chromas> I should ask to have my SN name changed to "rule" to match my number. Then I can start replying to comments with rule34 links :-)
[23:50:45] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Whitehouse.gov Petition for Net Neutrality - http://sylnt.us - Regulatory-Capture
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