#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-25

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[00:20:59] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Physicist's Experiment Corrects Dictionary - http://sylnt.us - it-is-proven-that-the-earth-sucks
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[01:21:43] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Blood Stem Cells and Lifespan - http://sylnt.us - i'm-invincible
[01:33:59] crutchy|zzz is now known as crutchy
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[01:44:15] <arti> g'oop
[01:45:01] <crutchy> g'oop
[01:45:08] * crutchy salutes
[01:45:31] * arti returns the salute
[01:45:33] <arti> how goes it?
[01:45:34] <crutchy> one tiny small thing that came out of ww1 that was good
[01:45:44] <crutchy> a public holiday!
[01:46:32] <crutchy> not bad
[01:46:40] <crutchy> i'm a bit snuffly :-(
[01:46:46] <crutchy> kids are too
[01:47:00] <crutchy> how u been?
[01:47:01] <arti> awesome
[01:47:15] <arti> you can torture them with apple cider vinegar
[01:47:31] * arti has successfully fought off a few bugs recently
[01:47:40] <arti> better than default to accept
[01:48:08] <crutchy> one of them is on antibiotics and prednisolone
[01:48:44] <crutchy> i usually cop it about once a year, but my sinuses are stuffed permanently
[01:49:28] <arti> i usually get congestion, i hate it. i do the neti pot
[01:49:48] <arti> http://imgur.com
[01:51:32] <crutchy> that kinda looked... wrong
[01:57:51] <SirFinkus> it's unatural
[02:02:14] <crutchy> it's crazy in the coconut
[02:02:17] <arti> rape and incest are natural
[02:02:26] <arti> just because its natural doesn't make it good
[02:02:34] * arti adds cancer to that list
[02:05:11] <SirFinkus> http://www.amazon.com
[02:15:45] <arti> :|
[02:16:12] <arti> "pairs well with oat meal!"
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[02:38:09] <crutchy> g'day FunPika
[02:38:31] * arti is working
[02:38:48] <crutchy> i haven't done anything in the wiki lately
[02:39:07] * crutchy should try to do some more wiki stuff
[02:39:12] <arti> wikiwki
[02:39:18] <arti> wikiwiki
[02:39:19] <crutchy> :-D
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[02:39:53] <crutchy> stupid exec_list reload is borked
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[02:40:10] <crutchy> grr
[02:40:18] <arti> what do
[02:40:36] <crutchy> i've reworked a lot
[02:41:11] <SpallsHurgenson> does growling at the code work?
[02:41:34] <arti> by intimidation
[02:41:49] <arti> sometimes, i print out the code, and burn the paper.
[02:41:55] <arti> that usually sends a message
[02:41:56] <crutchy> shouldn't be complicated though. it's probably one of those stupid and obvious bugs that will take me an hour or more of chasing my tail before stumbling on it :-P
[02:42:06] * SpallsHurgenson has an image of crutchy's code indenting itself into a corner out of fear
[02:42:33] <crutchy> lol @ indenting itself
[02:42:43] * crutchy imagines that
[02:43:24] <crutchy> that would make a funny ide easter egg
[02:43:28] * SpallsHurgenson rubs his hands evilly, "Yes, yes, my meme has become infectious! Soon...it will TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"
[02:43:48] <crutchy> self-endenting code
[02:43:54] <crutchy> s/ed/in/
[02:44:02] <crutchy> pfft
[02:44:20] <crutchy> sedbot::load(mod_mindread)
[02:44:21] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[02:44:26] <SpallsHurgenson> self-indinting code?
[02:44:47] <arti> indinting-code self
[02:44:56] <crutchy> self-coding indents
[02:45:07] <arti> self-indents coding
[02:45:18] <crutchy> ^ i would buy that
[02:45:24] * arti adds this to the product label
[02:45:30] <arti> "Now with more code!"
[02:45:57] <crutchy> warning: indents may fall of eol without notice
[02:46:06] <arti> there be dragons
[02:46:08] <crutchy> s/of/off/
[02:46:08] <SedBot> <crutchy> warning: indents may fall off eol without notice
[02:47:41] <SpallsHurgenson> All 'muricans should remember to sign the petition at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov so we can be PROPERLY ignored by our government
[02:48:07] <arti> its cool, non muricans can vote too
[02:48:56] <crutchy> don't worry obama will be sure to make a heart-felt speech before ignoring you
[02:49:05] <arti> PMOTD
[02:49:06] <crutchy> with lots of erms and ahs
[02:49:10] <arti> presidential message of the day
[02:49:15] <SpallsHurgenson> poor Obama, so powerless against the ruthless FCC
[02:49:30] <arti> my sympathy for any leader is at -1.
[02:49:46] <crutchy> as president.. i ah.... really ah... care about... er... protecting the tubes.... of all americans
[02:49:46] <arti> except for maybe dear leader.
[02:50:07] <arti> crutchy, maybe he has a cornbrator
[02:50:26] <arti> http://imgur.com
[02:50:45] <SpallsHurgenson> why did I click on that?
[02:50:49] <crutchy> lmao
[02:50:59] <crutchy> daughty was looking the other way luckily :-P
[02:51:07] <SpallsHurgenson> you're not helping me with my trust issues, arti :)
[02:51:22] <arti> do we have to do it and then be friends?
[02:51:25] <arti> or friends first?
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[02:51:29] * arti flips a coin
[02:51:34] <arti> bleh i need my bot in here
[02:51:42] * arti checks in his code
[02:51:45] <crutchy> better to see each other naked and get it over with
[02:51:56] <arti> as long as the lady parts aren't all hangy
[02:52:36] * SpallsHurgenson is either too young or too old to participate in this conversation
[02:53:03] <arti> while(!right) { converse() }
[02:53:28] * arti greets SpallsHurgenson in the usual manner
[02:53:45] <crutchy> a good spanking?
[02:54:10] <arti> i don't really enjoy that, but i could be encouraged to oblige
[02:54:14] <crutchy> after sitting alight grail shaped beacons?
[02:54:29] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I was thinking of the same scene, crutchy :)
[02:54:44] * SpallsHurgenson declined to make the follow-up quote, however
[02:54:45] <crutchy> hmm that might be disturbing
[02:55:00] <arti> just chant "its not what it looks like"
[02:55:04] <crutchy> naughty bad zoot
[02:55:44] <arti> arti has dealt arachnist a Critical Strike! 2 days, 11:50:47 is added to arachnist's clock.
[02:55:46] <arti> SEXY
[02:56:32] <crutchy> pow!
[02:56:41] <crutchy> blam!
[02:57:24] <arti> gotta make sure you have the right terminal settings to see the colors
[02:57:47] <crutchy> comic sans?
[02:59:24] * arti would make a sublte variant called cosmic sans
[03:00:45] <crutchy> or comic book sans
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[03:13:18] * SpallsHurgenson jabs F5 to quicksave IRC
[03:14:23] <arti> !decide kill pet upgrade fondle agree
[03:14:24] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: upgrade.
[03:14:28] * arti upgrades crutchy
[03:15:04] <crutchy> with super cow powers?
[03:15:12] <arti> nah, just an extra cornhole
[03:15:20] <arti> that way you can take twice as much crap
[03:15:33] <crutchy> or shit out twice as much :-P
[03:15:53] <arti> !roll 2d6
[03:15:55] <ciri> arti rolls 2
[03:15:58] <arti> fek
[03:16:15] <crutchy> ciri!?
[03:16:19] <crutchy> ciri
[03:16:23] <crutchy> oi!
[03:16:25] <crutchy> !oi
[03:16:34] <arti> just a sec, i need to enable a few things
[03:16:35] <crutchy> ciri --help
[03:16:44] <crutchy> ciri --slap-arti
[03:18:01] <crutchy> ciri --kill siri
[03:18:11] <chromas> !help
[03:18:11] <deadbeef> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[03:18:15] <deadbeef> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[03:18:34] <crutchy> g'day chromas
[03:18:36] <chromas> Not only is that the wrong bot, the domain is expired
[03:19:02] <chromas> g'day sirs crutchy, arti and ciri
[03:19:11] <chromas> But not ciri anymore
[03:19:15] <arti> greetings
[03:19:30] <crutchy> deadbeef has a beef with icann't
[03:21:05] <crutchy> !count(bots)
[03:21:14] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Warhol Works Recovered from Old Amiga Disks - http://sylnt.us - art-of-data-recovery
[03:21:51] <crutchy> deadbeef: s/Warhol/Porn/
[03:22:01] <crutchy> deadbeef: s/Warhol/Porn/
[03:22:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Porn Works Recovered from Old Amiga Disks - http://sylnt.us - art-of-data-recovery
[03:23:27] <SpallsHurgenson> aka Warhol discovers flood fill
[03:25:47] <chromas> Isn't there a bit for bots to set?
[03:25:51] <chromas> A botbit
[03:27:49] <SpallsHurgenson> isn't that one of those short, hairy-footed people from the lord of the rings?
[03:29:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> No, you're thinking of a crumpet.
[03:29:30] <SpallsHurgenson> right, my mistake, thanks.
[03:29:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> still can't get phpMyAdmin working.
[03:29:36] <crutchy> there could be
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[03:29:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[03:29:55] <crutchy> it should be proper bot-iquette to set some sort of bit-bit
[03:30:20] <crutchy> something in whois maybe
[03:31:39] * SpallsHurgenson will never willingly admit to being a bot!
[03:31:45] <SpallsHurgenson> Beep!
[03:32:14] <chromas> I read something about a usermode, +B or something but it doesn't work
[03:32:20] <crutchy> hmm exec_reload seems to be working now
[03:32:21] <paulej72> boop
[03:32:28] <crutchy> i fiddled and fucked around a bit
[03:32:37] <crutchy> got nfi how i got it working again :-P
[03:32:37] <chromas> Next, hook it up to inotify
[03:32:44] <paulej72> lol
[03:33:11] <crutchy> might have been something to do with a global directive
[03:33:21] <crutchy> glowballs strikes again!
[03:33:24] <paulej72> can i haz the turing test fail
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[03:39:41] <crutchy> rfc8008135: i propose all bot real names have a ".bot" suffix
[03:39:54] <chromas> can't have dots
[03:39:59] <chromas> :-(
[03:40:03] <crutchy> why not?
[03:40:10] <chromas> dunno
[03:40:21] * SpallsHurgenson /nick SpallsHurgensbot
[03:40:21] <crutchy> cos they're a bit small to see?
[03:40:25] <chromas> illegal character
[03:40:36] <chromas> Probably a trade embargo
[03:40:38] <crutchy> illegal? as in prison time?
[03:41:04] <crutchy> damn now there's export control on ascii characters?
[03:41:18] <crutchy> what is the world coming to
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[03:42:53] <crutchy> chromas: check out exec'r real name
[03:43:04] <crutchy> it works yay :-)
[03:43:43] <chromas> Cool
[03:43:47] <chromas> Don't see him in here though
[03:43:54] <chromas> Can you set the nick though?
[03:44:06] <chromas> Oh I missed the "real name" part
[03:44:20] <chromas> That'll teach me to skim until next time I do it
[03:44:51] * crutchy puts tinfoil hat in case chromas tries to skim his brain
[03:45:06] <crutchy> ^for chromas' own protection
[03:45:11] <SpallsHurgenson> zombies... why did it have to be zombies?
[03:45:38] <chromas> As long as I have protection, I may as well go knocking on some back doors
[03:46:21] <crutchy> with corn?
[03:46:49] <chromas> Vibrating corn and glowbals
[03:49:17] <crutchy> ~part
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[03:55:33] <SpallsHurgenson> still hungry
[03:56:27] <crutchy> have some corn
[03:56:41] <crutchy> it's peanut infused :-P
[03:56:57] <SpallsHurgenson> after today, I may never eat corn again
[03:57:43] <crutchy> just watch out for any packaged corn with "may contain nuts" on the label
[04:12:26] <SpallsHurgenson> my socks smell of tortilla chips again :-/
[04:14:35] <arti> is that your secret hiding place for them?
[04:15:22] <SpallsHurgenson> that would make sense, but no
[04:19:23] <arti> ciri
[04:19:24] <ciri> arti: So tell me something already.
[04:28:13] <crutchy> ciri what color is the sky?
[04:28:15] <ciri> crutchy: What color is the color of excitement.
[04:28:51] <crutchy> ciri didn't arti teach you proper grammar? tsk tsk
[04:28:53] <ciri> crutchy: Arti... I set the video, it's like i'm hunting for food in the zelda fishing game would be best is a pain without the proper tutorial...
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[04:29:14] * crutchy prolly can't talk... he's mr lowercase
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[04:30:09] <crutchy> ciri: i do hope the video isn't porographic
[04:30:10] <ciri> crutchy: Ugh i hope the video isn't porographic.
[04:30:12] <ciri> crutchy: You know, i hope the video, it's weird.
[04:30:56] <crutchy> ciri: crutchy is crazy
[04:30:58] <ciri> crutchy: It's pretty crazy.
[04:31:00] <ciri> crutchy: Pretty crazy, this is when, the guy whod been shot by a crazy looking table saw like hucker.
[04:31:09] <crutchy> ciri: crutchy is crazy
[04:31:11] <ciri> crutchy: Crutchy is crazy.
[04:31:13] <ciri> crutchy: Pretty crazy, this way, your ship will shudder and jettison a bit, my friend.
[04:31:44] <crutchy> ciri: frazzle fap dot bip tard bugger fart
[04:31:46] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part.
[04:31:48] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part in a plane?
[04:32:07] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Better Brain Recovery With More Education - http://sylnt.us - its-all-in-your-head
[04:32:13] <crutchy> ciri: frazzle fap dot bip tard bugger fart
[04:32:15] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part in a car-bed vroom vroom :d.
[04:32:17] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part in a bit too much.
[04:32:42] <crutchy> ciri: fart your own part
[04:32:44] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part in a bit, my dog just graduated, also, another one that seems to unleash stuff, and while i think.
[04:32:46] <ciri> crutchy: Fart the part in a while so i made my way anyway.
[04:33:01] <SpallsHurgenson> hrmmm
[04:33:41] <paulej72> Lol
[04:34:00] <paulej72> ciri: Tell me more
[04:34:02] <ciri> paulej72: Well the fancy tea, i'm backed up with some spring rolls and that it releases at set intervals, but now thati 'm all setup.
[04:34:04] <ciri> paulej72: That'll be fun.
[04:34:21] <crutchy> lol nothing worse than being back up
[04:34:30] <crutchy> ciri: you should eat more fruit
[04:34:32] <ciri> crutchy: How can you make me some more made up, you should eat more fruit.
[04:34:34] <ciri> crutchy: Its not me of a sudden there's a virtual season 3 for sgu that you should eat more fruit.
[04:35:39] <paulej72> ciri: It looks we spent the big bucks on your ai
[04:35:41] <ciri> paulej72: It's pretty easy to pick apart the ai, i just got an ai his body, and then needing space so eventually i made my way anyway.
[04:35:43] <ciri> paulej72: My bad... I pricematched them to staples and got 2 weeks before it and it looks we spent the big bucks on your ai.
[04:36:51] <arti> hahaha
[04:36:53] <paulej72> ciri: High is the true life in as much as we say
[04:36:55] <ciri> paulej72: This is the true life in as much as we say.
[04:36:57] <ciri> paulej72: But now people just run things that much of a hot dog sausage, which is the true life in as much as we say.
[04:37:04] <arti> ciri what is best in life?
[04:37:05] <ciri> arti: When life hands you server duty, just whips out into the middle of the pit is the true life in as much as we say.
[04:37:22] * arti feeds more beer
[04:37:23] <crutchy> ciri: where is the last golden ticket?
[04:37:25] <ciri> crutchy: I know it well also, dude i have dipped my toe in that situation i'm at the last golden ticket?
[04:37:27] <ciri> crutchy: I just had an arcanist left who had carbuncle tank the last golden ticket?
[04:38:19] <arti> it should get interesting the next few weeks
[04:38:25] <arti> absorbing stuff from the channel
[04:38:40] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, "interesting"
[04:38:48] <paulej72> ciri: When do we fill the light fantastic on the dark side of the moon
[04:38:50] <ciri> paulej72: I'm curious what the fuck up on the dark side of the moon.
[04:38:52] <ciri> paulej72: Look for the recommendation...always on the dark side of the moon.
[04:39:03] <paulej72> Lol
[04:39:11] <arti> wonder why we're getting two lines
[04:40:02] <paulej72> ciri: Why two lines
[04:40:04] <ciri> paulej72: Wonder why we're getting two lines.
[04:40:06] <ciri> paulej72: Recalls his two friends who work at a place i go somewhere, i did get it just me because they fell into a product pretty easily, too.
[04:40:23] <arti> just like a good pub conversation
[04:40:37] * arti raises glass
[04:40:50] <paulej72> ciri: Are you drunk
[04:40:52] <ciri> paulej72: "Whelp that guy beat me to it. I get up early, too, very satisfying. What are you drunk.
[04:40:54] <ciri> paulej72: That's a plus. I have heard of that offense that i can get 24 heads to get the boxes of stuff are you drunk.
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[04:43:53] <arti> !decide beer code
[04:43:53] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: code.
[04:43:58] <paulej72> ciri: Are you better now
[04:44:00] <ciri> paulej72: This is my first foray into murdering critters.
[04:44:02] <ciri> paulej72: It should work just fine, since you mentioned john candy.
[04:45:08] <paulej72> ciri: You will get yourself put on the FBI watchlist
[04:45:10] <ciri> paulej72: Tabs are a curse for me, and if the url changes on the fbi watchlist.
[04:45:12] <ciri> paulej72: They had some deformity and like pulled back out of me that frequently whispers "what good is a card on the fbi watchlist.
[04:45:28] <arti> hahaha
[04:45:49] <arti> that's like convenience store crazy right there
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[04:47:14] <paulej72> Too much bot, we need another so they can talk to each other
[04:47:28] <arti> hahaha
[04:47:35] <paulej72> Bots get lonely too
[04:47:45] <arti> well just like pets you need them to have their friends
[04:48:02] <arti> srsly, wonder why the two lines
[04:48:14] <paulej72> ciri: would you like a friend
[04:48:16] <ciri> paulej72: Yeah, i buy apps. I got up to level 6.14am... And my friend.
[04:48:18] <ciri> paulej72: Got into his head (i really dislike the dudes that make them look like a friend show me some bgm for videos.
[04:49:17] <crutchy> arti: does it scrape all channel conversation or just ciri prefixed?
[04:49:18] <ciri> crutchy, Offers the rest of the questions and rounds are prefixed by an annoying, not-funny, try-hard voice over that you can yap through to the channel.
[04:49:33] <arti> it does every 5th line
[04:49:38] <crutchy> hahaha
[04:49:49] <arti> and then magics them into something new
[04:50:04] <arti> it's pretty amusing with text to speech
[04:50:13] <crutchy> lol
[04:51:16] <arti> !roll 5d10000*10
[04:51:16] <ciri> arti rolls 23665
[04:51:38] <crutchy> ciri: !roll abc
[04:51:40] <ciri> crutchy: : Tell me more.
[04:51:42] <ciri> crutchy: : !Roll abc.
[04:51:47] <crutchy> !roll abc
[04:51:48] <ciri> crutchy rolls incorrectly. Try <n>d<x>[<mod>]: where <n> is number of dice, <x> is number of sides, <mod> is an expression of addition or subtraction
[04:52:18] <arti> !roll 1d4
[04:52:20] <ciri> arti rolls 3
[04:52:22] <crutchy> !roll 1e12d1e12
[04:52:22] <ciri> crutchy rolls 12
[04:52:36] <arti> mighty twelve
[04:52:51] <crutchy> !roll 100000000000000000000000000000000d100000000000000000000000000000000
[04:52:52] <ciri> crutchy rolls too many dice
[04:53:11] <crutchy> *dice fly everywhere*
[04:53:20] <arti> an avalanche of dice
[04:53:38] <crutchy> !roll 1000000000000000000d100000000000000000000000000000000
[04:53:38] <ciri> crutchy rolls too many dice
[04:53:44] <crutchy> !roll 1000d100000000000000000000000000000000
[04:53:46] <ciri> crutchy rolls 1452027046
[04:54:09] <crutchy> !roll 1000d100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[04:54:09] <ciri> crutchy rolls -977326616
[04:54:13] <crutchy> lol
[04:54:19] <crutchy> overflow
[04:54:58] <arti> although some might call thee mighty and dreadful, thou art not so
[04:55:10] <arti> teh overflows
[04:55:21] <crutchy> !roll 1000d100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[04:55:23] <ciri> crutchy rolls -924589814
[04:55:35] <arti> what have i unleashed
[04:55:39] <crutchy> hahaha
[04:55:41] <arti> where did you get your cow art ideas?
[04:55:47] <arti> those are pretty amusing
[04:55:57] <arti> speaking of cow art
[04:56:27] <crutchy> i don't do cow art
[04:56:38] <arti> it might be subs then
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[04:57:24] <crutchy> cowsay hi ciri
[04:57:25] <exec> _________
[04:57:25] <exec> < hi ciri >
[04:57:25] <exec> ---------
[04:57:25] <exec> \ ^__^
[04:57:25] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[04:57:25] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[04:57:26] <exec> ||----w |
[04:57:26] <exec> || ||
[04:57:26] <ciri> crutchy: Moto x 400 dollars off contract.
[04:57:28] <ciri> exec: The connection ended up nuking all .htaccess files.
[04:57:47] <crutchy> multitasking :-P
[04:59:22] <arti> !seen johndoe
[05:01:14] <paulej72> Forest fires in nj not very far from me
[05:01:22] <arti> first time?
[05:01:34] * arti has seen fires in the hills
[05:01:42] <paulej72> No
[05:01:52] <crutchy> "forest fires" in NJ... is that what they calling gang warfare now?
[05:02:27] <paulej72> Need to let them burn and get the dead stuff used up
[05:02:50] <crutchy> do you mean NJ as in new jersey?
[05:03:28] <paulej72> Yes
[05:03:31] <arti> don't they fine people for that
[05:03:39] <arti> big bear is like that
[05:03:57] <arti> !hex2bin ffffff
[05:04:24] <arti> !hex2rgb ffffff
[05:04:24] <ciri> RGB calculation of #FFFFFF, resolved to Red:255, Green:255, Blue:255
[05:04:36] <arti> !c2f 30
[05:04:54] <crutchy> wholly carp nj is a bit bigger than i thought
[05:05:33] <paulej72> I am original
[05:05:49] <arti> .c2f 30
[05:05:51] <ciri> Converted 30 Celsius => 86.0 Fahrenheit
[05:05:51] <crutchy> where is the forest fire paulej72?
[05:05:59] <arti> crutchy: in the forest
[05:06:06] <crutchy> lol
[05:06:13] <arti> welcome to functional programming
[05:06:14] <crutchy> weather new jersey
[05:06:16] <exec> Weather for Lakehurst Naval Air Station, NJ, United States at 2014-04-25 01:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.1 hrs ago:
[05:06:17] <exec> temperature = 53.6°F (12°C) dewpoint = 12.2°F (-11°C)
[05:06:17] <exec> barometric pressure = 1015.6 mb ~ change of 1 mb over past 1 hrs relative humdity = 18%
[05:06:17] <exec> wind speed = (no data) wind direction = (no data)
[05:06:32] <arti> ciri weather
[05:06:32] <ciri> arti: Fuck this weather.
[05:06:37] <crutchy> lmao
[05:06:47] * arti pets ciri
[05:06:48] <ciri> arti: Just like pets you need to do it.
[05:06:57] <paulej72> South jersey ocean an gloschester counties. Multiple places
[05:07:04] <arti> what was the cause? lightning?
[05:07:19] <crutchy> weather gloschester
[05:07:22] <exec> Weather for Gloucester, UK at 2014-04-25 02:12:00 (UTC) ~ 0.9 hrs ago:
[05:07:22] <exec> temperature = 42°F (5.6°C) dewpoint = 40.4°F (4.7°C)
[05:07:22] <exec> barometric pressure = 1018.4 mb ~ change of -0.5 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 93%
[05:07:22] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 9°
[05:07:26] <crutchy> lol
[05:07:28] <arti> .calc 42*138(4+6)
[05:07:30] <ciri> Error: see .calc help
[05:07:39] <crutchy> weather gloschester, nj, usa
[05:07:41] <exec> Weather for Blackwood, NJ US at 2014-04-25 02:03:00 (UTC) ~ 1.1 hrs ago:
[05:07:41] <exec> temperature = 51°F (10.6°C) dewpoint = 13.5°F (-10.3°C)
[05:07:41] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.3 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 22%
[05:07:41] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[05:07:47] <arti> lol
[05:07:50] <crutchy> wow even colder
[05:08:34] <arti> .m2f 300
[05:08:47] <arti> .m2ft 300
[05:08:48] <ciri> Converted 300 m => 984.3 ft
[05:09:02] <paulej72> Dry windy weather. The area is in the pine lands national forest. Also called the pine barrands
[05:09:21] <crutchy> .m2ly 2e12
[05:09:22] <arti> "the garden state"
[05:09:42] <crutchy> .m2ft 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[05:09:45] <ciri> Error: m2ft syntax: .m2ft <number> - Don't include extraneous chars
[05:09:51] <arti> "told"
[05:09:55] <paulej72> Cranberry territory
[05:10:02] <arti> ciri cranberry
[05:10:04] <ciri> arti: You're right, as far as i'm concerned.
[05:10:09] * crutchy goes back to cornhole
[05:10:18] <arti> cornbrater
[05:10:55] <arti> .calc 10 * 10 * 10+2
[05:10:57] <ciri> Expression: 10 * 10 * 10+2 = 1002
[05:11:17] <arti> anyway
[05:12:28] <crutchy> ooh i got a thingy for mathematical expressions :-)
[05:12:36] <crutchy> for a calc scratchpadf
[05:12:41] <arti> very cool
[05:12:50] <arti> now you need dication software, so you can speak to it
[05:12:51] <ciri> arti, That's when there should be known in all the shit out of me, i may or may not need a cheap and effective hosting provider... Any suggestions?
[05:13:20] <arti> ramnode.
[05:13:34] <arti> .calc 1+2 * 3
[05:13:36] <ciri> Expression: 1+2 * 3 = 7
[05:13:51] <crutchy> .calc 3^(1e4/sin(4/(7-cos(21))-3)-7)
[05:13:51] <ciri> Error: see .calc help
[05:14:27] <arti> only arithmetic
[05:14:42] <stderr> .calc e^(pi*i)
[05:14:43] <ciri> Error: see .calc help
[05:15:03] <arti> the way you could easily handle those would just be to pass it to wolfram
[05:15:09] <crutchy> .calc 42
[05:15:10] <ciri> Expression: 42 = 42
[05:15:17] <crutchy> omg! such wisdom
[05:15:25] <crutchy> it calculated the meaning of life
[05:15:34] <paulej72> That is the wrong answer
[05:15:44] <arti> ciri right answer?
[05:15:45] <ciri> arti: Man i got up to right now, i feel like whenever i answer the door in that situation i'm at the moment?
[05:16:02] <crutchy> ciri left answer?
[05:16:03] <ciri> crutchy: Yeah it's nothing too major, i feel like whenever i answer the door.
[05:16:10] <arti> this door business
[05:16:33] <crutchy> ciri: what do think about manta rays?
[05:16:35] <ciri> crutchy: Whew, what do think about manta rays?
[05:16:37] <ciri> crutchy: Some guy on 4chan went on some island, i want to know if you think you want all of them, i think the fbi watchlist.
[05:16:51] <stderr> Are people still talking about the door problem?
[05:17:19] <arti> what door would this be?
[05:17:25] <arti> codename: door
[05:17:37] <crutchy> the one to the architect
[05:17:38] <stderr> http://games.slashdot.org
[05:17:41] <stderr> That one...
[05:17:50] <crutchy> ergo vis-a-vis
[05:17:57] <arti> thanks, *looks*
[05:19:22] <paulej72> stderr: Wtf was the author on, I want some :D
[05:19:45] <crutchy> the door problem sounds like a finite-state problem
[05:19:47] <stderr> paulej72: I have no idea... Probably "doors"...
[05:20:22] <crutchy> you can make a game with one door and two states (closed and open)
[05:20:27] <crutchy> ok the game might suck
[05:20:28] <paulej72> I thought doom had this all worked out.
[05:20:44] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Habitable Exoplanets are Bad News for Humanity - http://sylnt.us - there-is-no-one-out-there
[05:20:45] * crutchy wonders if the doom FSM is published
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[05:22:20] <stderr> The problem is not so much how a door such work. That depends on the game, you want to make. It's more about how the choice of door will affect other parts of the game design.
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[05:22:22] <paulej72> mrcoolbp|work: Howdy do
[05:22:28] <ciri> o.o
[05:22:48] <mrcoolbp> hey guys
[05:23:01] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[05:23:29] <crutchy> a finite state machine is sort of a factorial thing as far as complexity
[05:23:30] <arti> greetings
[05:23:30] <paulej72> stderr: I don't see the issue I have played myst
[05:23:35] <mrcoolbp> g'day guys
[05:23:39] <arti> lol
[05:23:55] <crutchy> every time you add a new aspect, you have to work out the intereactions of that aspect with every other aspect
[05:24:33] <paulej72> Not with slascode
[05:24:43] <paulej72> :)
[05:24:46] <crutchy> i've run over grannies in gta vice city so duz that mean i can be da game diziner?
[05:25:05] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: oh I have a long email I must read from you = )
[05:25:21] <stderr> paulej72: Stuff like, if all doors can be opened, you need to design a lot more rooms. Rooms the player might never see. Do you keep all that room data in memory? If not, you need to make sure the game can load what's needed, when needed (or pre-load it). Otherwise you'll have annoying load screens.
[05:25:36] <arti> stream it
[05:26:20] <paulej72> Throw more memory at it
[05:27:13] <crutchy> it just means you send the commands to some poor native in africa and they walk around with a video camera shooting up other players... kinda like the avatar movie
[05:27:58] <stderr> paulej72: And you need people to design those rooms. That takes time. And they want to be paid. And now the game takes up 42 bluray discs. And we haven't even done half the rooms yet...
[05:27:59] <ciri> stderr, And since i game, truely nice people.
[05:28:50] <stderr> Then again, maybe you don't even want doors in the game... Pong with doors would suck...
[05:28:51] <crutchy> "rooms" are just an abstract concept
[05:29:00] <crutchy> they could be merely a record
[05:29:04] <crutchy> with some numbers
[05:29:22] <arti> https://www.youtube.com related to room
[05:30:00] <crutchy> you could even make a program generate rooms on the fly... randomly or based on some formula
[05:30:30] <paulej72> You are eaten by a grue ciri
[05:30:31] <ciri> paulej72: There you are eaten by a grue.
[05:31:22] <crutchy> ciri: i do not like green eggs and ham
[05:31:24] <ciri> crutchy: Which i do not like green eggs and ham.
[05:31:26] <ciri> crutchy: Nothing like having an install not work, how do i do not like green eggs and ham.
[05:31:33] <arti> hahah
[05:32:23] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: thanks
[05:32:30] <crutchy> ciri: how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[05:32:32] <ciri> crutchy: And look how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[05:32:34] <ciri> crutchy: Weakness to wood, heh.
[05:32:48] <SirFinkus> "No ISP in the country has been a stronger supporter of the Open Internet than Comcast – and we remain committed both to providing our customers with a free and open Internet and to supporting appropriate FCC rules to ensure that consumers’ access to the Internet is protected in a legally enforceable way."
[05:32:54] <SirFinkus> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
[05:32:58] * SirFinkus takes breath
[05:33:04] <SirFinkus> hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahha
[05:33:15] <arti> oh i've got something awesome like that
[05:33:16] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: Not sure if. I pissed off anyone else with that mail
[05:33:49] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: you are pretty highly respected here. I'd hope not.
[05:33:53] <paulej72> SirFinkus: Did
[05:34:05] <paulej72> SirFinkus: Ditto
[05:34:24] <mrcoolbp> sorry if I had an outburst but the pressure from all sides was getting to me. I'll take your advice and remain where I am.
[05:34:33] <SirFinkus> http://corporate.comcast.com
[05:35:24] <paulej72> SirFinkus: Comcast an Netflix can bite my ass
[05:36:19] <paulej72> SirFinkus: Their petty bickering is fucking with the routing of the whole internet
[05:36:32] <crutchy> has there been any new staff recruitments lately?
[05:37:22] <paulej72> Princeton has routing issues with Verizon and Comcast because we have the same ISP as Netflix
[05:38:03] <paulej72> crutchy: More like decruitments
[05:38:24] <crutchy> oh
[05:38:35] <crutchy> are there any positions advertised?
[05:39:04] <paulej72> Not that I am aware of crutchy
[05:40:56] <mrcoolbp> is NCommander around?
[05:41:53] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: I have not seen him lately
[05:42:10] <mrcoolbp> I think he's taking a much needed break, I'm fine with that
[05:44:26] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: As long as he is not sulking in the corner I will be happy with that.
[05:44:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that's a realistic possiblity
[05:44:46] <mrcoolbp> is his phone back on yet?
[05:44:54] * mrcoolbp debates calling him
[05:45:04] <paulej72> Not sure
[05:45:14] <mrcoolbp> he should really have a working phone...
[05:45:16] <arti> that's a lot of travel time
[05:45:37] <mrcoolbp> arti?
[05:45:50] <arti> an international man of mystery
[05:45:55] <mrcoolbp> ah yes
[05:46:01] <mrcoolbp> but that's his "bag baby"
[05:46:14] <mrcoolbp> he's at home (mostly) now
[05:46:26] <arti> is he partially in phase or something?
[05:46:42] <arti> "his hand hasn't made it over yet, but it should arrive soon."
[05:46:55] <paulej72> lol
[05:47:05] <arti> "not his coding hand!"
[05:47:13] <arti> i have minecraft stuff
[05:47:18] <arti> found a c++ server
[05:47:27] * arti has been out of the loop for awhile
[05:48:54] <paulej72> No one seems to be on any of the working channels tonight
[05:49:16] <paulej72> !uid
[05:49:16] <deadbeef> The current maximum UID is 4231, owned by bluejay
[05:50:31] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I am now
[05:50:51] <arti> greetings ncommander
[05:50:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we missed you, but I hope you had a little time off
[05:51:07] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: ohio gozaimas
[05:51:12] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I slept for 12 hours. I really really hate my body
[05:51:20] <arti> you should get metal legs
[05:51:22] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you deserve it
[05:51:27] * NCommander is dysfunctional w.r.t. sleep on the best of days
[05:52:03] <arti> ncommander: https://github.com
[05:53:08] <paulej72> NCommander: Between you and xlefay you sleep enough for a half a person :)
[05:53:10] <ciri> paulej72, I now have a handle on what you want to stay and say 'can i get about 5 hours of sleep a night.
[05:55:14] <crutchy> paulej72: this is a working channel :-P
[05:56:01] <crutchy> we are working very hard *shuffles paper* "very busy, fucking slash, lots of empire stuff"
[05:56:10] <paulej72> I see no work here :P
[05:56:23] <arti> it's like the force
[05:57:03] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
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[06:03:06] <ar> arti: the bot has been rigged against me
[06:03:43] <crutchy> lmao "the id ten t"
[06:03:48] <crutchy> factor
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[06:11:54] <paulej72> ciri: Are we alone now?
[06:11:56] <ciri> paulej72: That's cool as the stand alone.
[06:11:58] <ciri> paulej72: So i ended up with tons of sense both as the stand alone.
[06:15:39] <paulej72> ciri: Does the sky blue
[06:15:41] <ciri> paulej72: : High is the sky blue.
[06:15:43] <ciri> paulej72: Is it running its own thing and it's been quite a lot of the pit is the sky blue.
[06:18:23] <paulej72> ciri: Was the fly in my ten bowl to for now green
[06:18:25] <ciri> paulej72: : Was the fly in my ten bowl to for now, i enjoy saying it like that for his next leveling bince.
[06:18:27] <ciri> paulej72: Haha yeah, steak is pretty damn full as it knows keyboard layout. It was the fly in my ten bowl to for now.
[06:19:54] <paulej72> ciri: Gt just gtf Hun gfn Jim kgrr bhg
[06:19:56] <ciri> paulej72: Pld = gld + cnj.
[06:19:58] <ciri> paulej72: : Gt just gtf hun gfn jim kgrr bhg.
[06:23:15] <paulej72> ciri: Say hi to NCommander
[06:23:17] <ciri> paulej72: Ncommander: https://images.4chan.org
[06:23:19] <ciri> paulej72: : Say hi to ncommander.
[06:23:48] <crutchy> ~acc aqu4
[06:24:35] <crutchy> ~acc aqu4
[06:30:55] <paulej72> ciri: Is the bash for butterflies
[06:30:57] <ciri> paulej72: I've experimented with some fancy typewriter effects, next is the bash for butterflies.
[06:30:59] <ciri> paulej72: : Where is the bash for butterflies.
[06:31:41] <paulej72> ciri: Is a poor bot
[06:31:43] <ciri> paulej72: This is a poor bot.
[06:31:45] <ciri> paulej72: Fuck that would be best is a poor bot.
[06:32:17] <crutchy> ciri: shutdown -f
[06:32:18] <ciri> crutchy: Http://phys.org
[06:32:20] <ciri> crutchy: : Shutdown -f.
[06:34:28] <paulej72> ciri: !biteme
[06:34:29] <ciri> paulej72: I love mars bars. Also, cunt.
[06:34:31] <ciri> paulej72: : !Biteme.
[06:34:47] <crutchy> ciri: i'm not usually like this, but you're a warlock aren't you?
[06:34:49] <ciri> crutchy: I make it look like fuck dolls, but you're a warlock aren't you?
[06:34:51] <ciri> crutchy: Picked up the bundle....i really dislike the dudes that make them look like fuck dolls, but you're a warlock aren't you?
[06:35:02] <crutchy> ?
[06:35:07] <paulej72> ciri: Never knew you were that kind of bot
[06:35:09] <ciri> paulej72: I know some, and it prompts me to get to the proper manner, a kind of bot.
[06:35:11] <ciri> paulej72: Arti: the bot has been rigged against me. Why have i been cursed by the urban kneegrow.
[06:39:11] <paulej72> ciri: Do you like girls
[06:39:13] <ciri> paulej72: Girls usually divert their eyes downward after i make eye contact with them. I get paid for...
[06:39:15] <ciri> paulej72: Girls usually divert their eyes downward after i go to sleep, and replacing the recall unit regardless if it can take on an as-yet-undecided project with me?
[06:40:42] <paulej72> ciri: Do you prefer boys
[06:40:43] <ciri> paulej72: I want to see wtf is out there..what do you prefer boys.
[06:40:45] <ciri> paulej72: Also, do you consider your biggest drawback for me, i usually set it in there..what do you prefer boys.
[06:41:42] <paulej72> ciri: Circular argument
[06:41:44] <ciri> paulej72: Posted to craigslist and met a nerdy chick who is 23.
[06:41:46] <ciri> paulej72: : Circular argument.
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[06:43:17] <dentonj> is ciri a bot?
[06:43:18] <ciri> dentonj, What kind of bot.
[06:43:27] <dentonj> ding ding dng
[06:44:42] <paulej72> dentonj: Nothing to do but feed the bot ciri
[06:44:43] <ciri> paulej72: Dentonj: nothing to do but feed the bot has been replaced with a 16.
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[06:53:26] <paulej72> Good night ciri
[06:53:27] <ciri> paulej72: Good night, and by god they never not no one, my download just jumped from a night of drinking with wine seems.....not best.
[06:54:01] <paulej72> Bed time for me good night all
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[06:55:23] <crutchy> g'night paulej72
[07:00:42] <Subsentient> NCommander: the hell?
[07:00:49] <Subsentient> why are comment counts so low?
[07:01:00] <Subsentient> crutchy: hi
[07:01:24] * Subsentient feels bad for crisp for being forever-alone via autocomplete
[07:01:24] <NCommander> Subsentient, ?
[07:01:49] <Subsentient> NCommander: Comments, a handful of commments, down from 50 per article a couple days back
[07:02:02] * Subsentient hugs crisp
[07:02:25] <NCommander> Subsentient, they tend to go in phases. The average per day been going up though. Hold on, I'll pull the numbers from the stats system
[07:02:59] <NCommander> Subsentient, I'm working on the SN Manifesto in an attempt to keep my sanity
[07:03:08] <Subsentient> NCommander: Ah.
[07:03:28] <Subsentient> NCommander: I already talk to my bots.
[07:03:46] <Subsentient> aqu4: hi
[07:03:46] <aqu4> Hiyah.
[07:03:53] <NCommander> Subsentient, the site is timing out for me -_-;
[07:04:00] <Subsentient> NCommander: lol
[07:04:11] <NCommander> Subsentient, is it up, or did shit break
[07:04:20] <Subsentient> NCommander: the main page?
[07:04:22] <Subsentient> seems up
[07:04:34] <NCommander> Subsentient, I can't load comments
[07:04:40] <NCommander> BTW, from the manifesto draft:
[07:04:41] <NCommander> Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to have and voice their own free will, and thoughts. The moment you silence someone on their beliefs is the moment you create a precedent. Removing information may be with the best of intentions, but once you have a precedent, it becomes easier to justify. The moment you decide to censor people, you take a step down a slippery road.
[07:05:07] <Subsentient> NCommander: tbh I've had trouble with logging in to post. I click log in and it just resets me as if I never even clicked submit.
[07:05:20] <NCommander> Subsentient, .... crap
[07:05:47] <NCommander> Subsentient, logging in from the comments form or from the login box?
[07:05:55] <Subsentient> NCommander: either
[07:06:07] <Subsentient> even clicking log in link sometimes
[07:06:17] <Subsentient> it usually recognizes I logged in on the main page
[07:06:18] <NCommander> Subsentient, I haven't had any issues logging in, though I find that my login isn't always sticking
[07:06:29] <Subsentient> but when I click an article it resets me to logged out
[07:06:58] <NCommander> Subsentient, you're right, comments this week are down
[07:07:00] <NCommander> Average: 609
[07:07:02] <NCommander> er
[07:07:04] <NCommander> ... wait
[07:07:08] * NCommander checks previous averages
[07:07:16] <NCommander> 609 per day that is
[07:07:26] <Subsentient> ah
[07:07:54] <Subsentient> NCommander: I think if people are having the same shit happen as me, they might leave because they figure 'it's broken, I'll come back when they fix it.'
[07:07:56] <NCommander> Subsentient, it has gone up http://soylentnews.org
[07:08:09] <NCommander> It was 400-ish three weeks ago
[07:08:29] <crutchy> g'day subsentient
[07:08:49] <crutchy> Subsentient: broken is fun
[07:09:37] <Subsentient> NCommander: yeh, but, 48 hour updates?
[07:09:45] <Subsentient> crutchy: derp
[07:09:47] <Subsentient> derpderpderpderpderp
[07:10:18] <NCommander> Subsentient, the backend is special, and the stats emails broke awhile ago (I haven't had a chance debug them)
[07:10:54] * crutchy gives the backend some crayons
[07:30:16] * NCommander is trying to figure out what rights need to be enshrined in the manifesto for the site
[07:30:35] <arti> minecraft rights.
[07:32:31] * NCommander spawns 10 creepers around arti
[07:32:51] <arti> some guys modified sauerbraten to load minecraft levels
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[07:40:29] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - US Law not World Law says DVDFab - http://sylnt.us - Yanqui-go-home
[07:40:30] * crutchy left his right somewhere wong
[07:40:47] * crutchy also can't type to save himself
[07:41:37] <crutchy> ncommander: dunno about rights... i just like the debian thing... open, free, etc. all that good chewy tasty stuff
[07:42:12] <crutchy> i like the idea of promoting open source and collaborating on projects
[07:42:38] <crutchy> i'm new to the github thing, but i'm enjoying it
[07:43:11] <crutchy> maybe just some kind of pledge instead of focus on rights
[07:43:16] <crutchy> users have rights anyway
[07:43:27] <arti> 755 crutchy
[07:43:28] <crutchy> they have the right to privacy, to leave, etc
[07:43:53] <crutchy> arti?
[07:44:14] <arti> in that example, you have full rights, but you're restricted elsewhere
[07:51:36] <NCommander> crutchy, Debian actually has a social contract which inspired this
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[08:18:30] * NCommander just purged a third of slash's dead code
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[08:25:16] <chromas> 8:16:32 is removed from NCommander's clock.
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[08:35:52] <NCommander> chromas, I'm on a delete freizy, trying to remove as much dead code as possible
[08:36:01] <NCommander> chromas, did you know slash had support for a reddit style link database?
[08:36:11] <NCommander> chromas, as well as the ability to scrape other sites and auto-create submissions?
[08:36:40] <chromas> They were probably using it instead of real submissions. That's why it went downhill
[08:37:03] <chromas> A delete frenzy huh. Have you been near Wikipedia too long?
[08:37:38] <NCommander> chromas, I was inspired by the commit log for libressl and the amount of crap they're removing from openssl
[08:39:13] <chromas> haha, there really is a libressl! I made that joke once
[08:41:09] <NCommander> chromas, libressl is openbsd's fork of openssl
[08:41:23] <chromas> Well now we need a LibreBSD
[08:41:28] <arti> wat
[08:41:36] <arti> careful you're incite the holywars
[08:41:46] <arti> s/you're/you'll/
[08:41:46] <SedBot> <arti> careful you'll incite the holywars
[08:41:59] <arti> beer and haskelling
[08:42:02] <xlefay> Good mornin'
[08:42:08] <arti> greetings xlefay
[08:42:18] <arti> !decide usual festive
[08:42:19] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: festive.
[08:42:20] <xlefay> Did I hear something about a holywar?
[08:42:26] * arti greets xlefay in a festive manner
[08:42:36] <chromas> No arti! ml > haskell!
[08:42:44] * xlefay greets arti in the same respectful manner
[08:42:52] <xlefay> What's up? ;-)
[08:42:54] <arti> chromas, nuh uh
[08:43:00] <arti> xlefay, pattern matching
[08:43:09] <arti> also, scoping out fish. it's weird, but i like it
[08:43:19] <chromas> grog > mead > beer
[08:43:28] <arti> guybrush threepwood
[08:43:38] <xlefay> It's pretty awesome for saving time. Did you install oh-my-fish yet? Powerline? ;-)
[08:43:47] <arti> no the powerline looked more involved
[08:44:28] <xlefay> It's a git clone, ./install & 4 lines in .config/fish/config.fish or so, but I guess I can understand that :P
[08:44:44] <arti> i had to take a nap midway through that
[08:44:48] <chromas> Fish gets stuck though sometimes. If you start autocomplete then you can't go up through history anymore
[08:44:54] <xlefay> oh-my-fish does require to be configured, the other day I added a sprunge function (I know, I know.. t sounds bad)
[08:45:07] <arti> ciri sprunge
[08:45:08] <ciri> arti: Another headline "marine dies skydiving during vacation won on 'ellen.
[08:45:10] <xlefay> chromas, hmm, I never had that. When does that happen?
[08:45:15] <xlefay> arti, http://sprunge.us
[08:45:20] <xlefay> I know.. it sounds bad.
[08:45:58] <arti> that's pretty cool
[08:46:12] <chromas> Start typing, hit tab; now you can't up-arrow until you type/delete something
[08:46:19] <xlefay> chromas, essentially, fish remembers what you write, if you write 'ls' you can go up in the 'ls' command history, sometimes it won't be able to go up if it didn't remember something for a specific reason
[08:46:49] <xlefay> hmm
[08:47:04] <chromas> It's not a big deal; I just have to get used to it
[08:47:24] <chromas> But lately I've been playing with Enlightenment, which is still buggy
[08:47:56] <xlefay> The only thing that really bugs me is that I can't do them !!(:s/whatevs/whatver/) anymore :o
[08:48:04] <chromas> KDE was rewritten twice, Duke Nuke'em Forever came and went; Then E17 came out and it's till buggy
[08:48:09] <xlefay> E19 or are they at E20 yet?
[08:48:35] <chromas> 1.9.3
[08:49:07] <chromas> I can't swap screen positions because it won't draw them in the dialog
[08:49:22] <chromas> So I have to mouse right to get to left screen
[08:49:40] <xlefay> Auch :S It took them quite a bit to mark it stable enough, but that sounds pretty bad
[08:51:20] <xlefay> It seems Chromium plays nice with Flash on Ubuntu as opposed to firefox :o
[08:51:25] <chromas> A few drawing bugs and some crashes. But dammit, I want sexy desktop
[08:51:37] <xlefay> https://www.youtube.com \o/ \o/
[08:51:39] <chromas> Doesn't it get a newer version of Flash too?
[08:52:13] <crutchy> i dl flash directly from adobe
[08:52:14] <xlefay> not sure.. I just wanted to see if flash in chromium wouldn't oom the fuck out of my laptop
[08:52:27] <xlefay> I think it uses a different flash though, but meh
[08:52:30] <crutchy> works in aurora on debian
[08:52:32] <xlefay> chromas, and is it sexy?
[08:52:34] <crutchy> mostly
[08:53:02] <crutchy> ciri: is it sexy?
[08:53:04] <ciri> crutchy: Hand: 'well how are you waiting for that shit hits the fan sub scene, is it sexy?
[08:53:06] <ciri> crutchy: Make sure you read the first 6 digits of their taste, isoamyl acetate, is it sexy?
[08:53:14] <xlefay> Adobe Flash Player - Version: 13.0.0.182 | Shockwave Flash 13.0 r0
[08:53:32] <xlefay> rofl
[08:53:40] <chromas> When did Shockwave and Flash become synonymous anyway?
[08:53:53] <xlefay> That bot sounds a lot like arti!
[08:53:59] <crutchy> lol it does
[08:54:20] <xlefay> chromas, no clue.. but is it sexy (the E19 desktop, even with the annoying few bugs)?
[08:54:32] <crutchy> ciri is what came out when arti made love to his pyewta
[08:54:32] <ciri> crutchy: Carl's jr. Fuck you, this is what came out when arti made love to his pyewta.
[08:54:42] <xlefay> The fuck is this enabled: "This plugin allows you to securely access other computers that have been shared with you. To use this plugin you must first install the Chrome Remote Desktop webapp." -.-
[08:54:52] <arti> that's a cool app
[08:54:56] * arti uses it frequently
[08:55:17] <swiss> i <3 chrome remote desktop
[08:55:18] <xlefay> you know.. I might actually use that
[08:55:22] <arti> !decide download "not download"
[08:55:23] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: not download.
[08:55:29] <chromas> xlefay: Yeah. At least, compared to everything else
[08:55:31] <arti> well if you take advice from bots
[08:55:32] <xlefay> for my HTPC downstairs
[08:55:49] <crutchy> what about xen?
[08:56:16] <xlefay> yea yea.. vino's giving me grieve by listening only on ::1 | think that has to do with my virtual machines also doing VNC crap
[08:56:23] <crutchy> sorry, i mean xephyr
[08:56:36] <swiss> i'm upgradin to 14.04
[08:56:38] <swiss> wonder if i'll like it
[08:56:46] <swiss> i wonder if i'll even notice
[08:57:16] <xlefay> arti, I will give it a shot and see how I like it
[08:57:44] <arti> i think you'll find it comes in quite handy
[08:57:50] <arti> ciri handy
[08:57:51] <ciri> arti: I have none handy at the headquarters for the inevitable "we have pizza" "that's good!" "but it comes in quite handy.
[08:58:58] <xlefay> crutchy, you know, I never actually used that. I always wondered if it would be useful someday.
[08:59:23] <crutchy> i use it for graphical root logins *ducks*
[08:59:51] <NCommander> xlefay, hey
[09:00:16] <xlefay> chromas, that's awesome! ;-)
[09:00:28] <xlefay> NCommander, Good morning, how about that frenzy eh? ;)
[09:00:37] <xlefay> https://www.youtube.com \o/
[09:00:58] <NCommander> xlefay, I've dropped 1/3rd of slash into /dev/null
[09:01:30] <xlefay> That's impressive
[09:02:38] <NCommander> xlefay, deleted all the old plugins, tagboxes (and some tags code), ircslash, slash->jabber, oracle support, postgres support (its 10 years old, bitrooted to hell)
[09:02:47] <NCommander> xlefay, a ton of old documentation, Bundle::Slash, etc.
[09:03:16] * NCommander doesn't think we need install notes for Solaris
[09:03:20] <xlefay> So, wait the little documentation we had, you just threw away? :) haha, it makes sense
[09:04:50] <xlefay> I hope libreSSL gets some funding
[09:05:24] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm leaving most of the docs folder intact, but some of it seems to have been updated this decade
[09:05:28] <NCommander> I FOUND A REFERENCE TO UBUNTU!
[09:05:40] <xlefay> Was it shiny?
[09:05:50] <NCommander> xlefay, more that Slash is broken on ubuntu, don't use this distro
[09:06:01] <NCommander> I might have lol-ed
[09:06:07] <xlefay> Oh.. Well, at least Ubuntu is mentioned somewhere in there!
[09:06:13] <xlefay> Quite ironic, since it's running just fine!
[09:06:51] <NCommander> xlefay, I actually hit the issue they ran into
[09:06:55] <NCommander> /bin/sh is dash, not bash
[09:07:12] <NCommander> dpkg-reconfigure bash, turn that off to install slash, then re-enable
[09:07:14] <xlefay> Isn't update alternatives useful in this case? OR does it not comw with a shiny bash?
[09:07:23] <xlefay> rofl
[09:07:40] <NCommander> xlefay, update-alternatives isn't good for /bin/sh
[09:08:14] <NCommander> Haw
[09:08:15] <NCommander> I knew it
[09:08:25] <NCommander> I knew slashdot ran one instance of slashd, and used NFS
[09:08:27] <NCommander> I fucking knew it!
[09:08:30] <xlefay> It's good enough to select a different editor, so I figured it may work the same for other things, to, you know, configure alternatives
[09:08:34] <NCommander> Slashdot has one primary server with all of the code (Apache, perl,
[09:08:35] <NCommander> etc.) in /usr/local. That server runs slashd and NFS. Our slashd writes
[09:08:35] <NCommander> directly to its /usr/local/slash. Each web server mounts /usr/local
[09:08:35] <NCommander> read-only over NFS. (Yes, NFS has a reputation for being flaky, but
[09:08:35] <NCommander> we've never had a problem with it, which we attribute both to good
[09:08:35] <NCommander> sysadmins and to only exporting our filesystem read-only.)
[09:08:55] <xlefay> Well... ;-)
[09:09:03] <NCommander> However, mounting /usr/local
[09:09:05] <NCommander> That's a fucking WTF
[09:09:26] <NCommander> Seriously
[09:09:31] <xlefay> That's why I find the "which we attribute both to good sysadmins" ironic.
[09:09:55] <xlefay> /usr/local/slashstuff/ SURE /usr/local/ No-no
[09:09:56] <NCommander> xlefay, seriously, we're doing a ton of things that slash's docs say a bad idea
[09:10:08] <NCommander> Non-root install is the big one
[09:10:18] <NCommander> The documentation has the equivelent of blink tags for that
[09:10:40] <xlefay> I still wonder why the root stuff is even a requirement.. doesn't everyone know it's never a good idea to run stuff' as root?
[09:10:52] * xlefay looks at crutchy's misuse of the GUI by signing in as root.. :P
[09:11:08] <NCommander> xlefay, they install local modules into perl which requires root privelleges
[09:11:24] <swiss> xlefay: why is it that you think it's a bad idea to run things as root?
[09:11:30] <swiss> there
[09:11:35] <NCommander> All of Slash/* is installed into $PERL/lib/site_perl/
[09:11:39] <xlefay> Still, there must be another reason than just that, NCommander ?
[09:11:50] <NCommander> xlefay, I have no fucking clue.
[09:11:57] <swiss> there's a huge stigma against it, but for a desktop machine, there isn't a great reason not to just do everythign as root
[09:12:11] <NCommander> xlefay, I love the reddit like support in slash, as well as the ability to autoscrape other sites for news stories
[09:12:11] <xlefay> swiss, well obviously, if our outdated apache/slashd then it's best to not have slashd or apache run as root, no?
[09:12:43] <swiss> run everything as root
[09:12:46] <xlefay> On desktops I can compromise, but, if you compromise there I can see how easy it'd get to compromise elsewhere too "because it's so convenient" and such
[09:13:10] <NCommander> Virtual Hosts
[09:13:10] <NCommander> Slash has support for virtual hosts, so you can have multiple Slash
[09:13:10] <NCommander> sites on one machine. Simply execute step 6 in the install process for
[09:13:10] <NCommander> each Slash site (after adding a new virtual user to DBIx::Password for
[09:13:10] <NCommander> each).
[09:13:25] <NCommander> ... and I be a fucking leprocon
[09:13:33] <xlefay> define leprocon
[09:13:37] * xlefay looks for exec
[09:13:38] <swiss> xlefay: i do it on my work servers
[09:13:46] <swiss> xlefay: first command when getting in escalates me to root privileges
[09:13:51] <NCommander> xlefay, Non-Root
[09:13:51] <NCommander> It is theoretically possible to install and run everything here without
[09:13:51] <NCommander> root.
[09:14:08] <NCommander> Oh
[09:14:08] <NCommander> irony
[09:14:09] <NCommander> absolutedir is used only for creating external links to the site (such
[09:14:09] <NCommander> as in RSS files). rootdir is used for internal links; that way, you can
[09:14:09] <NCommander> use the same HTML pages for SSL and non-SSL. You don't have to do
[09:14:09] <NCommander> anything special to the code or preferences to allow it to work with SSL
[09:14:10] <NCommander> by itself, SSL and non-SSL together, or non-SSL by itself.
[09:14:17] <NCommander> That's wrong in five different ways
[09:14:18] <chromas> leprocon—leprosy convention
[09:14:21] <xlefay> swiss, I suspect it's also related to what you're comfortable with
[09:14:36] <swiss> xlefay: people often use the "To prevent stupid" excuse
[09:14:49] <swiss> i've found that not true.. stupid people use sudo just as stupidly
[09:14:50] <xlefay> YES, because we had such a great time getting SSL to work properly, didn't we? ;-)
[09:15:02] <NCommander> xlefay, no ****ing kidding
[09:15:36] <NCommander> xlefay, oooh, I just figured out how to dump tempaltes FROM the database
[09:15:36] <xlefay> swiss, I didn't use that excuse, lol, 9 out of ten times, you'll find me as root in the terminal but I do use extreme caution nonetheless, I go by the mantra "better be safe than sorry."
[09:15:42] <NCommander> and get it back in file form
[09:15:56] <swiss> xlefay: i'm just root all the time i'm doing actual work
[09:15:58] <xlefay> NCommander, ok, please, test that on dev first, if there's anything we've learned is that slash docs can't be trusted
[09:16:09] <swiss> i only don't use root when i want to do personal file things
[09:16:14] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm not going to do it at the moment, but its useful for site_news
[09:16:15] <xlefay> same here
[09:16:26] <xlefay> NCommander, yeah I figured ;)
[09:16:34] <xlefay> swiss, how are you by the way? I haven't seen you in quite a while!
[09:16:54] <swiss> i'm doin okay
[09:17:10] <swiss> work is more worklike recently
[09:17:17] <xlefay> That's great man ;-)
[09:17:27] <swiss> it's like people realized that I'm more available when i'm working fulltime over part time
[09:17:31] <swiss> don't know if i like it or not
[09:17:52] <xlefay> nah, that I can understand haha
[09:18:21] <swiss> i might move my desk into the security operations center
[09:18:29] <NCommander> xlefay, we need to fix this: http://soylentnews.org
[09:18:55] <xlefay> Wow.. I didn't even knew we had that
[09:19:25] <xlefay> Wow,, "most visited stories" are depressing it goes from high to lower o.O
[09:19:40] <xlefay> 1239 Who or what should replace the CowboyNeal option in polls?
[09:19:42] <xlefay> hahaha
[09:20:33] <xlefay> swiss, that's cool :)
[09:20:55] <xlefay> "Following the ongoing case reported earlier DVDFab, the Chinese based company behind ripping software of the same name has made arguments in a New York Federal Court stating that US Law isn't World Law and that their assets must be returned to the company so they can continue to trade outside US borders:" ;-)
[09:21:08] <swiss> xlefay: yeah, it's just more fun in there
[09:21:11] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm pretty sure we've got the launch keys for the space shuttle somewhere in slash
[09:21:16] <NCommander> Buried under lays and layers of redirects
[09:22:32] <chromas> JPE-1704-TKS
[09:22:42] <chromas> Oh wait, that one's for the missiles
[09:23:04] <xlefay> LOL
[09:23:59] <xlefay> Perhaps, it's a fail safe to boot slash off the face of the earth, to protect the mental health of those who are developing in/for it
[09:24:28] <xlefay> After all, you can never be to safe
[09:24:28] <swiss> ugh
[09:24:32] <swiss> ubuntu updated the font
[09:24:47] <xlefay> I hadn't noticed.. then again I started at 14.04 alpha2
[09:24:52] <xlefay> or, beta2 w/e
[09:25:17] * xlefay ducks for using the b-word, sorry guys!
[09:25:45] <xlefay> swiss, did they make it more shiny?
[09:25:53] <NCommander> xlefay, we should roll out beta for next april fools
[09:25:54] <NCommander> :-)
[09:26:06] <xlefay> They sure do enjoy making things shiny there at Ubuntu HQ
[09:26:41] <xlefay> NCommander, I was having a similar thought a while ago, but then instead of april fools, we'd just pick a day
[09:26:44] <chromas> When you do, you should change the mods to (-1, Beta) and (+1, Soylent)
[09:26:59] <NCommander> chromas, ick :-P
[09:27:06] <xlefay> April Fools is way to easy and not enough people would get fooled!
[09:27:46] <xlefay> Then again, we might end with a alt-soylentnews before the end of said day
[09:27:48] <xlefay> hmm.. tricky, tricky
[09:27:48] <NCommander> xlefay, i dunno, I think BaconMuffins would be awesome
[09:28:06] <xlefay> BaconMuffins.. I can accept that compromise sir
[09:28:28] <xlefay> Let's throw out the name vote and go with our hearts, they obviously belong to Bacon & Muffins'
[09:29:40] <xlefay> !decide baconmuffins "should we?"
[09:29:41] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: baconmuffins.
[09:29:51] <xlefay> See.. ciri agrees
[09:29:52] <ciri> xlefay, Agrees with this japanese dude in upper la nosca (i'll show you my tits if you'll let me interview.
[09:30:00] <xlefay> woa
[09:30:06] <xlefay> That escalated quickly..
[09:30:17] <NCommander> # Note: Many users of Slash have taken to symlinking the plugins and themes
[09:30:17] <NCommander> # directories into $(SLASH_PREFIX) from their checked-out CVS trees. We
[09:30:17] <NCommander> # should try to check for this in the future and behave accordingly.
[09:30:17] <NCommander> # (Update, 2006-05-06: no, we're not going to check for that. Editing a
[09:30:17] <NCommander> # CVS checkout is great, but push it live with a 'make install' please.)
[09:30:30] <swiss> xlefay: dunno, i'm in gnome
[09:30:31] <NCommander> Honestly, part of me thinks we might want to do that
[09:30:48] <NCommander> if we could get slash to run directly out of the git repo, it would make life easier
[09:31:12] <xlefay> And we could have themes in (a or multiple) repos.. ;-)
[09:31:13] <NCommander> ciri, hola fellow linode user :-)
[09:31:14] <ciri> NCommander: And wish you luck in your endeavors.
[09:31:30] <xlefay> swiss, ah oke
[09:31:56] <NCommander> ciri, I don't remember seeing you here before, welcome to #soylent, and here, have your complementary muffins and bacon
[09:31:56] <ciri> NCommander: Also, welcome to #soylent, and it will be dragged to my last retail job.
[09:32:09] <xlefay> I think ciri is yet another bot, welcome to bot paradise ciri!
[09:32:10] <ciri> xlefay: If you think of snow crash?
[09:32:11] <NCommander> .oO(I've been here since we were #altslashdot)
[09:32:49] <NCommander> Did the bot just pass the turning test? -_-;
[09:32:54] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[09:32:54] <deadbeef> Added quote 153
[09:32:55] <xlefay> LOL
[09:33:08] <NCommander> -ciri- VERSION eggdrop v1.6.21
[09:33:13] <NCommander> wow
[09:33:15] <xlefay> You honestly didn't see that coming?
[09:33:29] <xlefay> I think the !decide was the general indicator :P
[09:33:34] <NCommander> Missed that bit
[09:33:41] * arti enjoys this
[09:33:58] <xlefay> arti, it writes like you, I'm 100% sure you made it
[09:33:58] <NCommander> seems I need a new turning detector, obviously mine is faulty
[09:34:20] <arti> its been monitoring conversations for years
[09:34:26] <xlefay> haha, that's awesome
[09:34:34] <xlefay> We've got our own local NSA right here w00t!
[09:35:07] <arti> just think of it as a high score idler
[09:35:12] * chromas wants to see bot tits as promised
[09:35:13] <arti> ciri fotos
[09:35:14] <ciri> arti: Fotos de chicas insertan objectos in los vaginas.
[09:35:24] * NCommander listens to FFT Under the Stars
[09:35:26] * arti claps
[09:35:29] <NCommander> One of the best fucking games ever
[09:35:46] * arti has been exploring fract osc
[09:35:53] <xlefay> woa
[09:38:21] <crutchy> bahahahahaha!!!
[09:38:51] <crutchy> sorry was launging at something said about 10 minutes ago :-P
[09:39:02] <unitron> Obviously any replacement for the Cowboy Neal option needs to mention bacon
[09:39:11] <xlefay> That's fine, I'm still laughing ;-)
[09:39:23] <xlefay> unitron, indeed, it's only natural.
[09:39:38] <unitron> Is baconation.org taken already?
[09:39:44] <xlefay> :o
[09:39:44] <crutchy> or sedbot
[09:39:52] <xlefay> Yes, it is :/
[09:39:54] <crutchy> or bender
[09:39:57] * xlefay is so glad he didn't do /exec -o ..
[09:40:19] <xlefay> Creation Date: 2008-12-09T04:32:44Z
[09:40:19] <xlefay> Updated Date: 2013-12-10T13:22:26Z
[09:40:19] <xlefay> Registry Expiry Date: 2015-12-09T04:32:44Z
[09:40:32] <xlefay> wow.. someone really wants a bacon nation o.O\
[09:40:51] <xlefay> http://www.baconnation.com o.O
[09:40:56] <arti> turns out its a restaurant
[09:41:01] <xlefay> 'Bacon Nation Canada was created as a tribute to bacon, our national treasure.'
[09:41:06] * NCommander wonders if Neal will ever join us on SN
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[09:41:08] <arti> "as you can see, everything, even the seats are made out of bacon"
[09:41:09] <xlefay> Isn't that mapple syrup?
[09:41:16] <unitron> that's a 2 N, not a 1 N
[09:41:29] <crutchy> arti, i thought that was terrance & phillip
[09:41:54] * arti finds it amusing how canadians are depicted on southpark
[09:42:01] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Data Crunching the Pokémon Starters - http://sylnt.us - Gotta-Crunch-em-All
[09:42:03] <unitron> although, are we talking bacon, or Canadian bacon?
[09:42:05] <xlefay> it is indeed registered (with one n)
[09:42:20] <xlefay> well, two, but not three.. baconation.org ;-)
[09:42:21] <unitron> Or is that just what the US calls Canadian Bacon?
[09:42:50] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:42:51] <xlefay> unitron, I don't know.. but I was obviously mistaken that the Canadian national treasure was mapple syrup
[09:42:52] <unitron> We need an international treaty on what is and isn't bacon
[09:42:57] <crutchy> lol never gets old
[09:43:03] * xlefay changes his name on nerdrpg :`/
[09:43:22] <arti> canadian bacon = ham
[09:43:30] * arti calls ham ham
[09:43:36] <arti> ciri ham
[09:43:36] <ciri> arti: : I do not like green eggs and ham.
[09:43:40] * arti pets
[09:43:53] <crutchy> lol
[09:43:56] <xlefay> haha
[09:44:01] <crutchy> i recognise that
[09:44:09] <unitron> In order to get ham, do you buy Canadian Canadian bacon, or US Canadian bacon?
[09:44:17] <arti> to get ham, you ask for ham
[09:44:24] <arti> an alias for it in america is canadian bacon
[09:44:38] <arti> then again there are folks who eat "tuna fish sandwiches"
[09:44:39] <unitron> And what exactly goes into a bacon sarnie (sandwich) in the UK?
[09:44:48] <xlefay> unitron, perhaps, to be on the save side, you ask for both
[09:44:52] <arti> do they eat chicken birder sandwiches?
[09:44:58] <arti> bird*
[09:45:04] <arti> that's what i get for typing and reading
[09:45:48] <crutchy> define birder
[09:46:01] <crutchy> ciri define birder
[09:46:02] <ciri> crutchy: But to each his own and all that, but that's like a e-mail address hosted @ goatse.cx.
[09:46:06] <unitron> Isn't birding bird watching?
[09:46:46] <crutchy> or someone who does unmentionable things to birds
[09:47:07] <arti> "skewering"
[09:47:10] <xlefay> hmm.. rofl
[09:47:21] <crutchy> like eating
[09:47:31] <crutchy> hmm i do love chicken breast :-P
[09:47:36] <xlefay> That was really my first thought as well crutchy, I swear.
[09:48:24] <unitron> Let's be clear we are not using "bird" in the UK slang for "human female younger than middle aged" sense.
[09:48:26] <crutchy> well this *is* the family channel... it's not like i would taint it with filth that i know not of
[09:48:50] <xlefay> unitron, wow.. I hadn't thought of that forrealz
[09:49:09] <crutchy> that's an alternate definition in australia too
[09:49:41] <crutchy> birdwatching is a pastime enjoyed by many here :-P
[09:49:46] <xlefay> hahahaha
[09:50:31] <crutchy> unitron... but 18+
[09:50:33] <xlefay> cirrus bird
[09:50:40] <xlefay> ciri, bird
[09:50:41] <ciri> xlefay: Put some beats to it.
[09:50:42] <crutchy> better get that out in the clear
[09:50:50] <unitron> When I mentioned bird watching equaling birding (and the other way around) I meant watching the kind with wings, most versions of which can fly.
[09:51:32] <unitron> ciri, don't you know about the bird, well everybody knows that the bird is the word
[09:51:32] <ciri> unitron: I've done many a number of humans the impeding environmental crisis will kill off, the curse of sexual attraction as it knows that the bird is the word.
[09:51:49] <unitron> bot
[09:51:50] <xlefay> !grab ciri
[09:51:50] <deadbeef> Added quote 154
[09:51:54] <unitron> no doubt
[09:51:58] <xlefay> holy shiat, that was deep
[09:52:04] <crutchy> lol you slut ciri
[09:52:06] <ciri> crutchy: Lol, pretty good though, i mean, i just know it well also, good morrow.
[09:52:13] <crutchy> "I've done many a number of humans"
[09:52:15] <crutchy> lol
[09:52:43] <xlefay> hahaha also the part "the impeding environmental crisis will kill off,..." like who comes up with these things ;-)
[09:52:59] <crutchy> yes... very low standards
[09:53:12] <unitron> does ciri answer more quickly with more words if you give it more words to begin with?
[09:53:13] <ciri> unitron, I now have a decent stack of cards from the comments don't feel like whenever i answer the door problem?
[09:53:14] <xlefay> You just wait and see it learning from us
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[09:53:48] <arti> unitron: define quickly?
[09:53:50] <xlefay> Slowly, but surely evolving to the point, where it'll talk amongst us, and we'll never know it's actually a bot.. you just wait and see
[09:54:24] <unitron> obviously too fast for it to have been a human typing it.
[09:54:31] <arti> oh, add a delay
[09:54:34] * arti has thought about that
[09:54:43] <crutchy> i doubt i would be able to pass a turing test anyway
[09:54:51] <crutchy> so its already doing ok
[09:54:57] <arti> calc the number of words / wpm, delay that long
[09:55:16] <unitron> with a one word answer you can't be sure, but real people can't instantly answer you with a paragraph
[09:55:33] <arti> nah, there is nothing like that. it spits it out as fast as possible
[09:55:37] <arti> it has a limiter
[09:55:37] <crutchy> ciri: i am not wearing ladies underwear
[09:55:39] <ciri> crutchy: I am not wearing ladies underwear.
[09:55:41] <ciri> crutchy: You can kick, but how did you see the ladies playing volley ball its all worth it.
[09:55:47] <unitron> I'm thinking the more it has to work with, the sooner it can fabricate an answer
[09:55:47] <crutchy> lol
[09:56:45] * arti finds it pretty amusing
[09:56:48] <unitron> I'm pretty sure I'm not wearing anyone else's underwear either
[09:57:04] <crutchy> ciri: my 5yo daughter just did a man-fart (true story)
[09:57:06] <ciri> crutchy: : My 5yo daughter just did some of the story, reached 13 earlier.
[09:57:08] <ciri> crutchy: : My 5yo daughter just did some print, or better yet, but i got a pretty sweet-looking chestplate from one of the story, reached 13 earlier.
[09:57:33] <arti> ciri man-fart
[09:57:34] <ciri> arti: Well did a man-fart (true story.
[09:58:12] <NCommander> Ok, lithium reinstalled with the cut down cutbase
[09:58:12] <crutchy> i honestly don't understand how such a loud and disgusting sound (and smell) could come out of something so small and cute
[09:58:35] <crutchy> yay for cutbase
[09:58:46] <arti> cutbase!
[09:58:52] <arti> ciri cutbase!
[09:58:52] <ciri> arti: Frazzle fap dot bip tard bugger fart.
[09:58:57] <arti> heh
[09:58:58] <crutchy> maybe it's code for something
[09:59:01] <crutchy> :-P
[09:59:17] <crutchy> hahahahaha
[09:59:22] <crutchy> that one rings a bell too
[09:59:24] <crutchy> :-D
[10:00:10] <crutchy> ciri is growing up so fast
[10:00:11] <ciri> crutchy: Is growing up so fast. You're lucky, like can i haz the turing test fail.
[10:00:21] <crutchy> lmao!
[10:00:32] * NCommander is going to make paulej72 cry with this merge
[10:00:54] <xlefay> Need someone to approve the pr?
[10:01:31] <NCommander> xlefay, let me get it fixed
[10:01:32] <NCommander> Hold on
[10:02:04] <arti> fritos and beer
[10:02:08] <xlefay> fuck man, now even flash on chromium started to muck up
[10:02:18] <xlefay> Couldn't even properly load github.. this is highly annoying
[10:02:33] <NCommander> xlefay, Showing 285 changed files with 0 additions and 37,468 deletions.
[10:02:41] <arti> the great sundering
[10:02:46] <xlefay> I wonder what would be the best way to figure out why it's mucking up
[10:03:11] <arti> !decide "it just is" "you did it"
[10:03:13] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: it just is.
[10:03:18] <xlefay> NCommander, I can look through it for another set of eyes, but I'll let paulej72 accept it, I'm no perl wiz
[10:03:24] <NCommander> xlefay, its almost all deletions
[10:03:35] <NCommander> xlefay, I just chunked 34k lines of code
[10:03:36] <xlefay> yeah figured that much
[10:03:59] <xlefay> but best to be save, deleting that much could I guess lead to unexpected results (we are, talking about slash right)
[10:03:59] <NCommander> xlefay, the codebase is going on a diet :-)
[10:04:07] <NCommander> xlefay, its git, reverting is easy
[10:04:09] <xlefay> That's always a good thing, kudos by the way!
[10:04:09] <crutchy> check one line in just to even things a bit
[10:04:43] <crutchy> s/che/chu/
[10:04:43] <SedBot> <crutchy> chuck one line in just to even things a bit
[10:04:44] <xlefay> NCommander, ok, I'll merge it - but I do recommend we test the shit out of this lol
[10:04:57] <crutchy> nah just let it fly
[10:04:58] <xlefay> Perhaps, we could do something on the main page, inviting others to test as well?
[10:05:00] <arti> do you guys have tests setup or are you doing the man test
[10:05:05] <crutchy> release the bird!
[10:05:24] <xlefay> arti, afaik, slash doesn't have (m)any test.. it's a bit of a downer there
[10:05:24] <NCommander> arti, dev.soylentnews.org
[10:05:37] <NCommander> arti, it has nifty things like user selectable themes
[10:05:40] <arti> tests aren't fun to write
[10:05:53] * arti needs to work on those
[10:06:04] <arti> ooOOooo
[10:06:04] <NCommander> I think by time we're done with putting the codebase on a diet
[10:06:08] <NCommander> Its going to be 1/2 the size
[10:06:10] <NCommander> If not more
[10:06:18] <arti> well it's not how big it is, it's how you use it
[10:06:30] <xlefay> .. this is why I don't like painters.. for whatever reason my window had to go open.. I stop playing music to be polite.. what do they do? They start humming.. putting music on now would be impolite?
[10:06:51] <NCommander> ahahah,
[10:06:54] <NCommander> I broke github with this
[10:06:55] <NCommander> Diff truncated: maximum diff size exceeded.
[10:07:09] <unitron> You mean like house painters?
[10:07:16] <arti> i think, portrait
[10:07:26] <unitron> Maybe they'd have liked your music
[10:07:27] <xlefay> They're outside, painting the stuff at the windows.. not sure how you call it in English
[10:07:30] <arti> he's getting a giant portrait done that'll hang over the fire place
[10:07:44] <arti> xlefay: we have people who do that on the street, except instead of paint its grubby water
[10:08:01] <arti> then they have the nerve to ask you for a tip
[10:08:03] <xlefay> That doesn't sound very sanitary
[10:08:08] <arti> ciri hobos
[10:08:09] <ciri> arti: You can now proudly exclaim "i need you to help me get this code to work so long.
[10:08:17] <xlefay> Does ciri come with an actual/serious define function?
[10:08:17] <ciri> xlefay, Is that the mast file table needs to function properly...although they can tank pretty well too.
[10:08:37] <arti> fine lines? yes
[10:08:50] * arti has it configured loosely, i like the randomness
[10:08:50] <xlefay> For Sublight, I'll use wolfram :o although, it's definition of bacon isn't awesome, wolfram itself is pretty awesome
[10:09:03] <xlefay> :D*
[10:09:27] <arti> this could be something cool
[10:09:29] <unitron> if the stuff at the windows might be a different color from the main body of the building, that's usally referred to as "trim", and can include soffit, fascia, and the various non-glass parts of windows
[10:09:30] <xlefay> *wolfram who's the prettiest of the land?
[10:09:42] <arti> ciri gerbils
[10:09:43] <ciri> arti: Man the quick draw upgrade for the quest for the most random lyrics of songs.... What the performance will be great, nothing awful. Usually after drinking.
[10:09:46] <unitron> and window and door frames
[10:10:01] <xlefay> unitron, yeah, frames! they're going house by house in the street or something to do it
[10:10:10] <arti> bright colors?
[10:10:15] <arti> "you can see it from space!"
[10:10:16] <xlefay> No clue..
[10:10:24] <xlefay> Think they're just making it shiny again
[10:10:27] <unitron> Okay, so we're talking tradespeople, not artists
[10:10:33] <xlefay> Yeah
[10:10:45] <arti> careful, they might get offended at that
[10:11:15] <xlefay> They also revamped the shower and kitchen a while back.. (the shower is terrible now.. water saving caps aren't cool if they're set to ultimate saving or w/e.)
[10:11:23] <unitron> It's a classification, not a value judgement.
[10:11:54] <arti> sorta like the water consering toilets we have here that require two flushes
[10:12:03] * arti likes the ones in the office buildings that shake the floor
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[10:12:33] <arti> !seen exec
[10:12:34] <ciri> arti, exec is right here!
[10:12:50] <xlefay> arti, exactly :~/ ironically, when you flush the toilet in the bathroom/shower-room or however you call it, it's better than the previous toilet.. it's weird
[10:13:19] <arti> awesome, maximum comfort
[10:13:30] <arti> +1 to business doing at least
[10:13:47] <xlefay> What's worse though, is they're talking a local language for this province, I can appreciate that they have to do the work and all.. but I'm not really fond of the interruptions :~/
[10:14:27] <arti> ah, well all the more reason to splurge with some noice cancelling headphones
[10:14:27] <xlefay> Guess I'll have to go with it while they're here ;)
[10:15:35] <xlefay> Yeah.. I'm putting my music back on, but my wireless headphones are charging so gotta use speakers, but it just feels impolite..
[10:16:41] <arti> so play for us, if you will, some of your new deathmetal
[10:16:59] <xlefay> death metal? Nah, that's not how I roll.
[10:17:07] <arti> they don't know that though
[10:17:28] <xlefay> Good point lol
[10:17:30] <arti> maybe you can use some audio encouragement to hasten their efforts
[10:18:05] <xlefay> Avicii - Wake me up \o/
[10:18:14] <xlefay> Oh god.. now he's whistling along with the song :o
[10:18:42] * NCommander just threw out his pack of smokes
[10:18:44] <xlefay> arti, I was thinking the same but I suspect it just takes time and I really do hate to be impolite to hard working people
[10:18:46] <NCommander> Fuck it, I need to quit
[10:18:51] <NCommander> I might be an absolute bitch for the next few days
[10:18:54] <NCommander> but I *want* to quit
[10:18:54] <xlefay> NCommander, can I please haz them?
[10:18:59] <NCommander> no
[10:19:05] <xlefay> Although.. it's American smokes.. they taste funny
[10:19:18] <arti> NCommander: it's been a month
[10:20:03] <xlefay> I've got only a little bit left myself (50g) ugh, I'm afraid once it's all smoked, I'll have no choice but to stop
[10:20:25] <xlefay> I suppose it is the economical thing to do though so let's all stop smoking
[10:20:59] <xlefay> (do feel free, to send me what you've got left, though I don't mind. Of course, I'll destroy everything everything you send, I promise.)
[10:21:14] <xlefay> s/gh/gh, /
[10:21:14] <SedBot> <xlefay> (do feel free, to send me what you've got left, though, I don't mind. Of course, I'll destroy everything everything you send, I promise.)
[10:21:30] <arti> get some gum or something
[10:21:36] * arti smells better
[10:21:38] <NCommander> arti, what has been a month?
[10:21:44] <arti> since i quit
[10:21:58] <arti> put down the smigglers
[10:22:11] <NCommander> I love Moderate THEN post
[10:22:15] * NCommander just took advantage of it
[10:22:39] <arti> you user, you
[10:22:42] <xlefay> Quite honestly, I don't particularly see the need to quit myself. I'm happy with smoking, every 8 hours or so, I'll take a break from whatever I'm doing, smoke a cig - take a moment thinking about stuff and all. It gives me some relaxment, sure there are better ways but it works for me ;)
[10:23:11] * arti understands
[10:24:45] <xlefay> What really sucks though, in my country, if I wanted 10 packs pre-made, it'd cost me 120 euros or so.. if I get it from poland, it's 35 euros ;-) I guess that's a good enough reason to import. (although, currently, I'm just rolling my own)
[10:25:11] <xlefay> Same brand and all.. it's just excessively expensive here
[10:25:23] <arti> you get a better deal rolling your own for sure
[10:25:34] <xlefay> yeah that's always the case
[10:25:39] * arti liked the papers with the attached filters that you'd poke into the machine
[10:25:46] <arti> the joys of packing too much
[10:25:47] <xlefay> Well, I actually click them nowadays (with filters and crap)
[10:25:49] <arti> fish face
[10:26:10] <arti> one of the guys i worked with could roll one like a ninja
[10:26:23] <arti> could be driving a manual and with a quick motion have it done
[10:26:27] <xlefay> haha wow
[10:26:45] <xlefay> I've found myself to waste endless amount of time rolling, I'm just to critical.
[10:26:59] <arti> yeah, i'd just go the pipe route
[10:27:05] <arti> load. enjoy.
[10:27:20] <xlefay> haha :P
[10:27:28] <arti> ciri do you like to smoke?
[10:27:28] <ciri> arti: Why can't i get your email so that i can't log in... And my eyes fill with smoke.
[10:29:13] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm a chainsmoker when I smoke
[10:29:16] <NCommander> I'll burn through a pack a day
[10:29:28] <arti> 2 if you hit a bar?
[10:30:04] <xlefay> That's quite a bit. I generally smoke, once every 8 hours but on occasion I can smoke a lot more really depends on what's going on around me and whenever I feel like taking a break
[10:30:35] <NCommander> xlefay, i have an addictive personality
[10:30:49] * NCommander doesn't gamble nor has ever touched drugs for fear of becoming addicted
[10:31:14] <arti> we can do some dice games
[10:31:33] <arti> !roll 1d20+5
[10:31:34] <ciri> arti rolls 7
[10:31:50] <xlefay> arti, /msg gameserv help :P
[10:31:55] <xlefay> it does that too
[10:32:00] <arti> nae!
[10:32:01] <xlefay> We also have an useless rpgserv
[10:32:11] <arti> oh! i got a goot hit on archanist
[10:32:17] <arti> 2 days 10 hours or something
[10:32:20] <xlefay> NCommander, both are things to avoid :)
[10:32:25] <xlefay> Woa, that's awesome!
[10:32:44] <arti> previously the highest i saw was your critical
[10:32:48] <arti> ~ 22 hours
[10:32:50] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm been on a bloody rampage in idlerpg as of late
[10:33:02] * arti likes smoking, everything
[10:33:10] <arti> i've changed my behavior
[10:33:17] <xlefay> NCommander, that's great :D
[10:33:22] * arti is enjoying alcohol a little more and replacing the other stuff with walks
[10:33:23] crutchy is now known as crutchy|zzz
[10:35:06] crutchy|zzz is now known as crutchy
[10:37:40] <xlefay> arti, I do take walks quite regularly, they can be quite nice but I don't drink alcohol of any kind
[10:37:50] * arti enjoys it all
[10:38:05] crutchy is now known as crutchy|blah
[10:38:06] <arti> from beer to wine, whiskey to moonshine
[10:38:20] * NCommander travels the world, that's how I manage to unwind
[10:38:22] <xlefay> haha
[10:38:23] <NCommander> Fuck, since SN started
[10:38:33] <arti> alcohol is a velvet hammer
[10:38:37] <NCommander> I've been across several contients, and half way around the world in less than a month
[10:38:37] <ciri> NCommander, I've never been a month to start... I pricematched them to have forgotten about e-mail and expect you to help the loaf and begins searching for the world.
[10:38:44] <NCommander> ...
[10:38:54] <arti> hahaha
[10:38:58] <arti> better catch up
[10:39:06] -!- ciri was kicked from #Soylent by NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [bread this]
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[10:39:22] crutchy|blah is now known as crutchy
[10:39:23] <NCommander> Its like a punch me clown. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE
[10:39:31] crutchy is now known as crutchy|dunce
[10:39:32] <xlefay> haha
[10:39:46] <arti> ciri ncommander is a friend
[10:39:46] <ciri> arti: Ncommander is a friend to bail out?
[10:39:50] <arti> yes
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[10:40:08] <NCommander> No, its worse than a fucking punch-me clown
[10:40:11] <crutchy|dunce> wow that was a fast comeback ciri
[10:40:12] <ciri> crutchy|dunce: Wow that was fun. It was a fast comeback.
[10:40:21] <xlefay> LOL
[10:40:28] <crutchy|dunce> ok this is getting creepy
[10:40:28] <xlefay> I so wished, he had prefixed that with NCommander
[10:40:40] crutchy|dunce is now known as crutchy
[10:40:42] <NCommander> Its like being on viagara. It's the "I'm not going anywhere" erection
[10:40:48] <NCommander> -- Robin Williams
[10:40:55] <arti> "don't move!"
[10:40:59] <xlefay> haha
[10:41:00] <crutchy> omg ncommander is really a fortune bot!
[10:41:04] <xlefay> rofl
[10:41:05] <exec> QOTD:
[10:41:05] <exec> "My shampoo lasts longer than my relationships."
[10:41:11] <arti> !
[10:41:13] <xlefay> exec, that's quite unfortunate
[10:41:14] <crutchy> ?
[10:41:22] <NCommander> crutchy, you should look at the quote DB in #staff
[10:41:36] <xlefay> the amount of NCommander quotes is frightening
[10:41:36] <NCommander> <deadbeef> Quote 0 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[10:41:37] <NCommander> <deadbeef> Also in quotes: 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 42, 43, 46, 52, 53, 54, 55, 58, 61, 62, 66, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 89, 90, 91, 93, 95, 98, 99, 101, 102, 110, 111, 112, 114, 118, 119
[10:41:59] <crutchy> yeah i wanna add some stuff from deadbeef quotes to a grab script
[10:42:20] <NCommander> I need to setup the IRC quotes into a fortune database for slash
[10:42:36] <xlefay> NCommander, I actually have an idea about that, I floated it to you the other day but I think you missed it
[10:42:56] <NCommander> xlefay, you didn't put sufficent postage on it to catch up to me
[10:43:10] <NCommander> <deadbeef> Quote 8 - <NCommander> shit
[10:43:10] <xlefay> I was thinking, we make a small QODB; and people can up-/downvote quotes; the highest ranked in a period get added to the fortune db
[10:43:21] <NCommander> xlefay, install it on carbon, and make it happen
[10:43:36] <crutchy> sublight it xlefay ;-)
[10:43:41] <xlefay> Yes, first, I've got a few dozen other things to do, but it is on the roadmap
[10:43:51] <crutchy> or i could butcher up one of my hacks
[10:43:52] <xlefay> crutchy, I'm thinking about it.. it'd make things a whole lot simpler
[10:43:54] <crutchy> :-P
[10:44:07] <xlefay> Then it'd just get pushed into a PostgreSQL db and voila
[10:44:25] <crutchy> with that framework db thingy
[10:44:34] <crutchy> phalcon or whatever its called
[10:44:34] <ciri> crutchy, Man steam is loading up with a hispanic guy that can't be right...
[10:44:51] <crutchy> when the uns come out...
[10:44:57] <crutchy> s/uns/guns/
[10:44:58] <SedBot> <crutchy> when the guns come out...
[10:45:02] * NCommander is sorely tempted to /kickban ciri
[10:45:02] <ciri> NCommander: I'm tempted to /kickban.
[10:45:17] <NCommander> UP DOWN UP DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT A B START
[10:45:24] <crutchy> ciri has already reached troll intelligence
[10:45:24] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b *!*ciri@*.members.linode.com] by NCommander
[10:45:24] -!- ciri was kicked from #Soylent by NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [FATALITY]
[10:45:26] <arti> i'll disable the megahal if you like
[10:45:28] <xlefay> aww..
[10:45:32] <crutchy> won't be long and it will be smaerter than me
[10:45:55] <crutchy> awww
[10:45:59] <crutchy> that was just nasty
[10:46:00] <xlefay> arti, quickly, have it rotate between idents and auto reconnect on bans!
[10:46:01] <NCommander> ... I think I just banned all of *.members.linode.com
[10:46:07] <crutchy> hahahaha
[10:46:09] <crutchy> bye arti
[10:46:12] <crutchy> :-P
[10:46:13] -!- mode/#Soylent [-b *!*ciri@*.members.linode.com] by NCommander
[10:46:22] <NCommander> my bip relay is on linode
[10:46:40] <xlefay> NCommander, really.. you only banned everyone with the gecos ciri ;-)
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[10:46:47] <xlefay> *!*ciri@*.members.linode.com
[10:46:51] <xlefay> is kinda the clue ;-)
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[10:47:22] <crutchy> hi ciri
[10:47:22] <ciri> crutchy: Aqu4: hi.
[10:47:25] <xlefay> ugh, we should set up identd on carbon, for people running bots and stuff'
[10:47:28] <crutchy> wtf
[10:47:34] <crutchy> that's really creepy
[10:47:42] <xlefay> Oh.. it invoked aqu4 :o
[10:47:46] <xlefay> bad ciri
[10:47:47] <crutchy> it knows us
[10:47:47] <ciri> xlefay: Btw opera (i'm slow, sorry) is now running with webkit. I remember fondly snagging shit off of fileplanet.
[10:48:02] <xlefay> ciri, do you want to marry me? Siri said no. :|
[10:48:03] <ciri> xlefay: Anybody want to marry me? Siri said no.
[10:48:16] <xlefay> ciri, ... :(
[10:48:17] <ciri> xlefay: Daaaairy - it's really exciting having something come together.
[10:48:34] <xlefay> ok.. that bot definitely passes the awesome bots test
[10:48:42] <crutchy> hell yes
[10:48:53] <xlefay> NOW if only, arti would make it trigger on NCommander every time..
[10:48:54] * xlefay ducks
[10:48:54] <crutchy> better than any quote db i think
[10:49:03] <arti> i have a screenshot of that
[10:49:07] <crutchy> just need to use nis nick on every 5th line
[10:49:18] <crutchy> ciri ncommander loves you
[10:49:19] <ciri> crutchy: Ncommander is a giant cob where the hell he's up to me.
[10:49:24] <crutchy> lol
[10:49:24] <xlefay> LOL
[10:49:31] <xlefay> Wow, that escalated quickly
[10:49:32] <crutchy> lmao!
[10:49:46] <crutchy> i know where that cob reference came from
[10:50:02] <crutchy> ]fuck me i'm lauhging so hard i can't type
[10:50:21] <xlefay> crutchy, let's not go there
[10:50:27] <xlefay> NCommander, where is dat pull request?
[10:50:46] <arti> deep in the winding colon of the stack
[10:50:46] <NCommander> xlefay, on github
[10:51:03] <NCommander> xlefay, is IRC on carbon now?
[10:51:03] <xlefay> https://github.com isn't showing your pull request
[10:51:36] <crutchy> gosh i hope ciri doesn't take this pull request stuff out of context
[10:51:37] <ciri> crutchy, Pull the list of great bands that have played goes on, i hope the video isn't porographic.
[10:51:38] <NCommander> xlefay, refresh, I accidently didn't hit submit
[10:51:39] <xlefay> No.. I'm fixing the services package name to include trusty, and repackaging charybdis for our cloakdb patch.. You'll hear it when it's send over
[10:51:51] <NCommander> xlefay, did you upgrade carbon to trusty?
[10:52:12] <xlefay> but, I'm afraid, charybdis will restart everytime apt-get mussed with it, so I'll have to go muck with the init script too
[10:52:16] <xlefay> ehm no not yet
[10:52:24] <xlefay> ugh my todo list is fucking huge, let me set that process up first
[10:52:38] <xlefay> start that*
[10:52:40] <NCommander> Oh neat, Utopic Unicorn
[10:52:48] <NCommander> xlefay, just nerf the init script
[10:52:58] <NCommander> update-rc.d charybdis disable
[10:53:17] <xlefay> do-release-upgrade still doesn't see trusty.. is there something specific you need to enable?
[10:53:37] <xlefay> distro-info-data, that must be it
[10:53:45] <NCommander> xlefay, probably won't be until 14.04.1 is out
[10:53:54] <xlefay> .. and of course, linode returns 404 on that deb -.-
[10:54:02] <xlefay> NCommander, you sure it's not in distro-info-data?
[10:54:19] <xlefay> oh just tested, it's not
[10:54:20] <NCommander> xlefay, honestly, I'm debating switching us to point at the main archive, linode takes awhile to update their mirror
[10:54:36] <xlefay> yeah, I had to re apt-get upgrade, it worked the second time.. kinda silly
[10:54:38] * NCommander uses this moment to install upgrades
[10:54:57] <NCommander> xlefay, wish we had a button in icinga "install all upgrades"
[10:55:09] <xlefay> Look, I don't want to keep fiddling with re-packaging every time.. can I just do-release-upgrade -d that shit?
[10:55:28] <NCommander> xlefay, go for it
[10:55:30] <xlefay> NCommander, we can look into such a solution, I thought, you were going to ask if we could use landscape for SN to do stuff like that?
[10:55:49] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm already raging war w/ my employeer w/ my taxes
[10:55:58] <NCommander> I rather not ask for anything else until they fix my fucking W-2
[10:56:04] <xlefay> ah I see
[10:56:20] <xlefay> No valid mirror found
[10:56:28] <xlefay> Seriously... *changes it to regular mirrors*
[10:56:43] <NCommander> xlefay, us.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:57:31] <xlefay> Don't you just love sed.. ;-)
[10:57:41] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm switching other machiens to it, I'm tired of dealing with linode's mirror
[10:57:43] <xlefay> sed -i 's/mirrors.linode/us.archive.ubuntu/g' /etc/apt/sources.list # in case you want to run it everywhere quickly
[10:57:45] <NCommander> We've got the bandwidth for it
[10:58:10] <xlefay> If we don't we can always set up an apt-cacher on a server, no biggie, but like you said, we do have the bandwidth so
[10:58:38] <NCommander> xlefay, upgrading everyting to 14.04 is going to be a lot of fucking fun :-/
[10:58:48] <NCommander> xlefay, (I'm not expecting a lot of breakage, but mass upgrades are irritating)
[10:58:56] <xlefay> Yeah they are
[10:59:12] <xlefay> Why do you think I upgraded the linode to the "new specs" directly, I don't want to fuzz around with stuff after it's all moved and running
[10:59:19] <xlefay> same reason for moving to trusty already
[10:59:36] <xlefay> but yeah... other servers have more stuff installed than carbon so it's going to be "fun" as you say
[10:59:37] <NCommander> xlefay, once we have full failover w/ the DB, I'm going to start upgrading shit
[10:59:48] <NCommander> Initial fluorine and neon first
[10:59:51] <NCommander> Actually
[10:59:52] <xlefay> Perhaps, the "clone" hdd stuff is useful in this case?
[10:59:54] <NCommander> Actually
[10:59:56] <xlefay> No, start with dev.
[10:59:57] <NCommander> Lithium first
[11:00:03] <NCommander> Eh
[11:00:04] <NCommander> You what?
[11:00:10] <NCommander> I'm not doing anything on lithium right now
[11:00:15] * NCommander kicks off that upgrade
[11:00:24] <xlefay> I mean, when you're ready to upgrade shit, production should be the last in the cycle
[11:00:48] <NCommander> xlefay, yeah, I'm most worried about boron actually
[11:00:51] <xlefay> and it may be useful in this case, to first, clone the hdd of a prod machine prior to upgrading, in case shit goes wrong
[11:01:01] <xlefay> No shit, boron's pretty much a playground
[11:01:19] <NCommander> xlefay, hydrogen and helium have backup services on linode, we'll upgrade those first, as its one click to revert
[11:01:29] <xlefay> oh yeah, the snapshot stuff ;)
[11:01:55] <crutchy> ~part
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[11:02:16] <NCommander> xlefay, do-release-upgrade running on lithium
[11:02:25] <xlefay> It seems my prompt color changes have a nasty side effect.. dpkg-configure stuff have a red background, yellow "main" view, red title.. and white text.. lol ;-)
[11:02:32] * xlefay almost burnt his eyes out
[11:02:36] <xlefay> Cool! :)
[11:02:43] <arti> smoking eyes
[11:02:49] <arti> @.@
[11:02:51] <NCommander> xlefay, warning: do-release-upgrade disables PPAs
[11:02:57] <xlefay> I know, it said that
[11:03:06] <xlefay> Which is fine, since you don't want PPA's mucking up things
[11:03:22] <NCommander> 4 packages are going to be removed. 212 new packages are going to be
[11:03:22] <NCommander> installed. 767 packages are going to be upgraded.
[11:03:22] <NCommander> You have to download a total of 316 M. This download will take about
[11:03:22] <NCommander> 1 minute with your connection.
[11:03:22] <NCommander> Installing the upgrade can take several hours. Once the download has
[11:03:22] <NCommander> finished, the process cannot be canceled.
[11:03:38] <NCommander> And its basically done downloading
[11:03:40] <NCommander> <3 linode's pipe
[11:03:57] <xlefay> also.. I apparently made an error when installing postgresql on boron, I installed, 9.3 specifically, if I had just installed postgresql package itself, it'd just upgrade automatically on each new release.. although, I suppose, sticking with 9.3 until it's time to move on is better in the name of stability.
[11:04:13] <xlefay> NCommander, they also upgraded that.. previously, Linode's pipe was pretty slow imo
[11:04:18] <xlefay> now it's exceptional
[11:04:20] <arti> how recently?
[11:04:37] <xlefay> When they also announced the upgrades for specs and stuff
[11:04:43] <xlefay> more memory, less vCPU's etc
[11:04:53] <arti> oh the last cycle
[11:05:04] * arti was excited for a moment with another capacity bump
[11:05:05] <xlefay> Think they also mentioned something about their network then, but it's definitely noticeable
[11:05:16] <NCommander> xlefay, I look forward to getting helium upgraded
[11:05:20] <NCommander> Only box that hasn't been
[11:05:30] <NCommander> xlefay, upgrade is running full tilt on lithium
[11:05:35] <NCommander> If we're lucky, its just a reboot and we're done
[11:05:41] <xlefay> Yeah, let's hope so
[11:05:59] <NCommander> xlefay, we always install new postgres versions side by side because no binary compat
[11:06:16] <xlefay> NCommander, we're using the official postgresql repos now
[11:07:20] <xlefay> Their repos have the 'postgresql' package, which is just a link to the latest package, whereas you can also specify a specific version, which I did with 9.3
[11:07:28] <NCommander> xlefay, i will say, CentOS is nice you only have to upgrade every 10 years
[11:07:39] <NCommander> but after ten years, its a torch and burn
[11:08:16] <xlefay> I don't even want to think of those horrors
[11:09:34] <xlefay> You should probably let Icinga know you're upgrading before it starts yammering on
[11:10:25] <NCommander> xlefay, too late
[11:10:27] <xlefay> To finish the upgrade, a restart is required.
[11:10:27] <xlefay> If you select 'y' the system will be restarted.
[11:10:36] <NCommander> xlefay, push it!
[11:10:39] <xlefay> lol
[11:10:40] * NCommander waits for carbon to die
[11:10:54] <xlefay> I did.. it's not restarting yet
[11:11:15] * xlefay waits patiently
[11:11:39] <xlefay> ok, it's rebooting (hopefully...)
[11:13:36] <xlefay> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS carbon hvc0
[11:13:36] <xlefay> carbon login:
[11:14:49] <NCommander> nice
[11:14:52] <NCommander> Anything break?
[11:14:58] <xlefay> not sure checking now
[11:15:09] <NCommander> Well, if you can login, then LDAP survived
[11:15:14] <xlefay> yea that works
[11:15:20] <NCommander> How about kerberos?
[11:15:33] <xlefay> works
[11:15:36] <NCommander> Cool
[11:15:43] * NCommander always loves how upgrades ask what to do with conf files
[11:15:51] <NCommander> Unlike some other distros which just clobber w/ newer versions
[11:16:11] <xlefay> Well, Yum's actually a star in that, it just saves it as .rpmnew
[11:17:19] <xlefay> I'd appreciate a message saying "The following configs have new versions, they're saved as rpmnew: <names>" then a question whether I want to replace the current config or not, it's just easier to look into it later, then having to deal with it directly.
[11:17:33] <NCommander> Message from VCC-compiler:
[11:17:34] <NCommander> Could not load module throttle
[11:17:34] <NCommander> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/varnish/vmods/libvmod_throttle.so
[11:17:34] <NCommander> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/varnish/vmods/libvmod_throttle.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:17:34] <NCommander> ('input' Line 8 Pos 8)
[11:17:35] <NCommander> import throttle;
[11:17:37] <NCommander> Varnish broke on the upgrade
[11:17:44] <NCommander> But we don't need the throttling module anymore
[11:17:49] <xlefay> Indeed
[11:17:52] <xlefay> The load balancer does that
[11:18:16] <NCommander> dev isn't loadbalanced
[11:18:34] <xlefay> That's no biggie in itself
[11:19:07] <NCommander> xlefay, varnish throttling nuked
[11:19:11] <NCommander> lithium is rebooting
[11:19:44] <xlefay> cool
[11:20:21] <NCommander> mcasadevall@tranquility:~/src/slashcode$ ssh lithium.li694-22
[11:20:21] <NCommander> Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-24-generic x86_64)
[11:20:32] <xlefay> Well, fish seems to be acting better on 14.04
[11:20:40] <xlefay> fish: Could not connect to universal variable server, already tried manual restart (or no command supplied). You will not be able to share variable values between fish sessions. Is fish properly installed?
[11:20:40] <xlefay> Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell
[11:20:40] <NCommander> slash@lithium:~$ apache/bin/apachectl start
[11:20:40] <NCommander> DBI connect('database=soylentdev;host=','root',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13) at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/DBIx/Password.pm line 50.
[11:20:42] <xlefay> but at least.. it works now
[11:20:44] <NCommander> mysql didn't comeback
[11:21:03] <xlefay> I see
[11:21:29] <NCommander> Odd
[11:21:31] <xlefay> What really surprises me though.. on desktop it just works fine, but on Linode not, also, on my local VMs (running 14.04 but started at 12.04) it all runs properly
[11:21:32] <NCommander> Mysql is running
[11:21:49] <xlefay> I wonder if this has to do with the same issue as the not-found-handler, probably a linode quirk
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[11:21:57] <xlefay> But, is the socket in the place Slash expects it to be?
[11:22:02] <NCommander> Apr 25 09:21:17 lithium kernel: [915081.859005] type=1400 audit(1398417677.876:28): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/srv/soylentnews.org/apache/bin/httpd" name="/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" pid=1704 comm="httpd" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" fsuid=1001 ouid=107
[11:22:06] <NCommander> Oh, apparmoring is out of date
[11:22:14] crutchy|fart is now known as crutchy
[11:22:17] <xlefay> aah, of course, our friendly, neighborhood app-armor
[11:23:07] <xlefay> NCommander, I really wonder why Linode stripped things.. a base install alone, let's everything work properly without much issue, which should be sufficiently small as well, shouldn't it?
[11:23:16] <xlefay> much = none
[11:23:19] <xlefay> no*
[11:23:24] <NCommander> xlefay, http://dev.soylentnews.org - boom
[11:23:42] <NCommander> Major distro upgrade, one minor breakage with antique software
[11:23:43] <xlefay> Cool, it works
[11:23:48] <NCommander> I'd *love* to see RH do that
[11:24:11] <xlefay> and I'd love seeing linode not break my shell :/
[11:24:20] <NCommander> lish sucks
[11:24:23] <NCommander> Srsly
[11:24:38] * NCommander actually upgraded over ssh
[11:24:40] <xlefay> I was talking about the linode ubuntu images in itself.. but yeah, lish isn't that great
[11:24:43] <xlefay> Me too.
[11:24:57] <xlefay> I just logged in via lish to ensure everything started properly and to see if anything failed on boot
[11:25:08] <NCommander> I love being right about the upgrade being a complete non-event
[11:25:14] <NCommander> Aside from the apparmoring tweak
[11:25:41] <xlefay> On the upgrade, let's also toss the linode longview stuff
[11:25:48] <NCommander> Yeah
[11:25:52] <xlefay> It's utterly useless
[11:25:56] <xlefay> WOW
[11:26:01] <xlefay> Look at the nodebalancer graph :o
[11:26:09] * xlefay hasn't seen it that higher yet (the spike)
[11:26:15] <NCommander> xlefay, hrm ...
[11:26:16] <NCommander> Remote command execution failed: bash: /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_apt: No such file or directory
[11:26:21] * xlefay sighs
[11:26:30] <xlefay> See.. I knew things would break
[11:26:37] <xlefay> Which server?
[11:26:41] <xlefay> All 14.04's?
[11:26:42] <NCommander> nagios-plugins got uninstalled
[11:26:44] <NCommander> Odd
[11:26:46] <NCommander> I checked the removed list
[11:26:49] <NCommander> I didn't see it there
[11:26:59] <xlefay> it wasn't removed from carbon
[11:27:00] * NCommander is re-installing nagios-plugins
[11:27:17] <xlefay> carbon also, still has check_apt.. so it must only have been on lithium, odd indeed
[11:27:25] <NCommander> xlefay, lithium had a slightly corrupted dpkg database
[11:27:37] <xlefay> How does that happen?
[11:27:37] <NCommander> Which has caused it sometimes to remove packages on install that it shouldn't
[11:27:48] <NCommander> xlefay, bug in precise when I imported the package selection list
[11:27:57] <NCommander> It installed all the amd64/i386 packages instead of just amd64
[11:28:36] <xlefay> I see, oh well, all's good now right? ;-)
[11:28:50] <NCommander> Yeah
[11:28:51] <NCommander> Should be fine
[11:28:56] <xlefay> Cool :)
[11:29:30] <NCommander> What the hell!
[11:29:31] <NCommander> https source table connection 0 up, 2 down
[11:29:33] <xlefay> Just gotta wait for Icinga to re-check DNS & NTP ;-)
[11:29:38] <NCommander> Port 80 http leastconn table connection 1 up, 1 down
[11:29:43] <xlefay> ??
[11:29:57] <xlefay> Oh jeez, it says the same here
[11:30:01] <xlefay> I wonder how that happened
[11:30:18] <NCommander> 443 should never break
[11:30:21] <NCommander> It connected to varnish damn it
[11:31:17] <NCommander> varnish *is* up
[11:31:19] <NCommander> WTF?
[11:31:43] <NCommander> xlefay, and ... SSL is workking?
[11:31:44] <NCommander> WTF?
[11:31:58] <NCommander> how can SSL be working if the load balancer says SSL services are down
[11:32:42] <NCommander> xlefay, both nodes are serving requests
[11:33:09] <xlefay> Probably some cache
[11:33:55] <xlefay> What surprises me though is that it isn't informing us about it..
[11:34:42] <NCommander> xlefay, ticket filed with linode
[11:35:23] <xlefay> Haha that ticket title
[11:36:08] <NCommander> Yeah
[11:36:14] <NCommander> hydrogen and fluorine are both getting requests
[11:36:18] <NCommander> And SSL is working
[11:36:22] <NCommander> da fuck?
[11:36:52] <NCommander> Appears SoylentNews is running on voodoo networking, and we're routing connections to our servers in the underworld
[11:37:22] <xlefay> I know.. but this what most cloud providers do
[11:37:53] <xlefay> You should see OVH's network ;-) It's FUN! (/sarcasm)
[11:40:03] <NCommander> xlefay, ugh
[11:40:09] <NCommander> xlefay, so on the backup front
[11:40:13] * xlefay always hates seeing "setting up &@@#*!sql"
[11:40:16] <NCommander> xlefay, we need to figure out what we need to backup
[11:40:21] <xlefay> Indeed
[11:40:21] <NCommander> There's a lot of shit we don't need to save
[11:40:43] <NCommander> xlefay, we could actually just backup boron, and ignore hydrogen/fluorine once we move the config files to gluster
[11:40:58] <xlefay> Screw it, I'm ssh into that baby directly (instead of via the proxy.. it's extremely slow)
[11:41:11] <NCommander> xlefay, thats fine, the proxy mostly exists for convience anyway
[11:41:34] <xlefay> Considering the server is in france, and I'm close to it, it's also a whole lot faster ;)
[11:41:40] <xlefay> NCommander, and yes, I agree, we should figure that out
[11:42:16] <xlefay> Did you ever even find those login infos? lol
[11:42:26] <NCommander> xlefay, I don't think I ever bothered
[11:42:31] <NCommander> We're using oxygen as a big dumb disk
[11:43:00] <xlefay> I recall vaguely, having to sign in to pay invoices but I used them years ago so
[11:44:01] <NCommander> xlefay, oh, I've got that sign in. Its for the more useful manager3 panel
[11:44:12] <xlefay> yeah
[11:44:17] <xlefay> manager3 still look old a shit?
[11:44:18] <xlefay> xD
[11:45:56] <NCommander> never got into it to find out
[11:45:59] <NCommander> :-)
[11:46:04] <xlefay> haha :p
[11:46:16] * NCommander is debating to tempt fate and try and fail us over to neon
[11:46:40] <xlefay> hmm.. is there a good reason to do so? Can it wait?
[11:47:06] <NCommander> xlefay, I need to get us upgraded to mysql 5.6, I can't implement autofailover without that on both DB nodes
[11:47:14] <xlefay> hmm
[11:47:21] <NCommander> Let me set up the reader/writer split
[11:47:30] <NCommander> Should prevent the site from completely tanking if something goes wrong
[11:47:41] <NCommander> Slash should go into read-only mode if the master goes away with correct error messages
[11:49:15] <NCommander> mysql> insert into dbs(id, virtual_user, isalive, type) values (NULL, 'neon', 'yes', 'reader');
[11:49:15] <NCommander> Query OK, 1 row affected (0.02 sec)
[11:49:15] <NCommander> Ok
[11:49:17] <NCommander> That should do it
[11:49:49] <xlefay> I would suggest, scheduling a maintenance window, people will be aware the site could break, etc.. It's the safe & responsible thing to do
[11:50:09] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:47248 2600:3c00::f03c:91:3306 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:09] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:36691 2600:3c00::f03c:91f:389 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:09] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:36688 2600:3c00::f03c:91f:389 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:09] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:36384 2600:3c00::f03c:91f:389 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:09] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:36554 2600:3c00::f03c:91f:389 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:10] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:9:36693 2600:3c00::f03c:91f:389 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:12] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:22 2600:3c00::f03c:9:60723 ESTABLISHED
[11:50:14] <NCommander> That was quick
[11:50:42] <arti> 2600. leet
[11:50:50] <xlefay> If stuff goes wrong, people will know - and will have been warned. If stuff doesn't go wrong, that's great, but at least, we covered our bases and ensured the people knew. :)
[11:51:04] <NCommander> Huh
[11:51:06] <NCommander> wait
[11:51:13] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:47248 helium.li694-22:mysql ESTABLISHED
[11:51:14] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:36691 helium.li694-22:ldap ESTABLISHED
[11:51:14] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:36688 helium.li694-22:ldap ESTABLISHED
[11:51:14] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:36384 helium.li694-22:ldap ESTABLISHED
[11:51:14] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:36554 helium.li694-22:ldap ESTABLISHED
[11:51:14] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:36693 helium.li694-22:ldap ESTABLISHED
[11:51:16] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 neon.li694-22:ssh boron.li694-22:60723 ESTABLISHED
[11:51:18] <NCommander> Bah
[11:51:24] <xlefay> I hate it when you say "wait" .. it tends to mean "something went wrong"
[11:52:02] <NCommander> DBI connect('database=soylentnews;host=neon.li694-22;mysql_read_default_file=/srv/soylentnews.org/.my.cnf','soylent',...) failed: SSL connection error: protocol version mismatch at /srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/DBIx/Password.pm line 100.
[11:52:02] <NCommander> Major Mojo Bad things (virtual user: neon)
[11:52:02] <NCommander> unable to connect to MySQL: : SSL connection error: protocol version mismatch
[11:52:02] <NCommander> Error:Slash::Utility::Environment:/srv/soylentnews.org/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm:1562:Class Slash::DB is installed for 'neon' but returned false for new(): unknown
[11:52:19] <NCommander> So slash failed over back to master
[11:52:40] <NCommander> oh ... fuck ...
[11:52:52] <NCommander> argh
[11:52:58] <NCommander> I think libmysqlclient will need an upgrade
[11:53:07] <xlefay> you broke it?
[11:53:23] <xlefay> SSL doesn't appear to work.. and I'm no longer signed in? or are those just side effects?
[11:54:02] <xlefay> Error 503 Service Unavailable, so about that maintenance window..
[11:54:39] <xlefay> I gotta eat lunch
[11:55:33] <NCommander> Appears I did break it
[11:55:34] <NCommander> fun
[11:58:23] <NCommander> that's incredibly irritating
[11:58:24] <NCommander> hrm
[12:01:47] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Leamington Spa Ring Mystery Solved - http://sylnt.us - I-see-angels
[12:02:33] <NCommander> I fucking hate fiddling with mysql
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[12:17:31] <NCommander> hey prospectacle
[12:19:45] <crutchy> oh what fun it is to bork a half-ass open slash!
[12:19:47] <ciri> crutchy, Oh, and whatever you see the need to open its gates.
[12:20:29] <xlefay> Well, when you're fiddling with production directly, all bets are off anyway
[12:20:39] <xlefay> (especially, with slash)
[12:21:10] <prospectacle> Hi
[12:21:19] <crutchy> hi prospectacle
[12:21:30] <crutchy> hi xlefay, ncommander
[12:21:33] <crutchy> :-D
[12:21:38] <arti> hi
[12:21:52] <NCommander> crutchy, I just deleted 33k LOC from Slash
[12:22:00] <crutchy> saw that
[12:22:03] <arti> "we need to go deeper"
[12:22:12] <crutchy> that's an ass load of code
[12:22:17] <prospectacle> wow, what did they do?
[12:22:21] <NCommander> crutchy, its an assload of ass code
[12:22:37] <crutchy> oh what i said straight after what arti said kinda sounded wrong
[12:22:57] <arti> well we all know code isn't stored there
[12:23:07] <arti> ciri where is code stored?
[12:23:08] <NCommander> prospectacle, some of it was dead functionality (change the main index into a link farm), some was odd (autoscrape news websites for submissions), some was stupid (Firehouse), and some was just special (Tags)
[12:23:09] <ciri> arti: : Where is code stored?
[12:23:11] <crutchy> except when referring to slash
[12:23:21] <crutchy> ciri... in arti's ass
[12:23:22] <NCommander> *FireHose
[12:23:23] <ciri> crutchy: ... In arti's ass. In all languages.
[12:23:28] <crutchy> lol
[12:24:12] <crutchy> i actually like firehose
[12:24:30] <crutchy> gives users a chance to judge submissions not just editors
[12:24:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> you want slash to be a reddit clone?
[12:24:41] <prospectacle> NCommander, nice work. it must be weird to make a codebase smaller. I don't think I've ever had the pleasure.
[12:24:57] <prospectacle> auto-scraping news websites for submissions is a good idea. Would be hard to do well, though.
[12:25:03] <NCommander> prospectacle, I was inspired by libreSSL
[12:25:07] <prospectacle> lol
[12:25:17] <NCommander> prospectacle, there's still a ton to go, I bet we can chuck 1/2 of slash
[12:25:27] <crutchy> prospectacle: we can re-add something better later
[12:25:35] <crutchy> well, not me cos i aint learning perl
[12:25:52] <arti> maybe you can write another language and output it to perl
[12:25:53] <arti> :D
[12:26:03] <arti> have it out put. i'm tired
[12:26:16] <crutchy> maybe i can eat a php script and shit out a perl port
[12:26:34] <arti> have it curl a bid to a freelance site
[12:28:27] <prospectacle> I was getting varnish cache errors before, so I came here to mention it but they seem to have gone away.
[12:29:12] <prospectacle> true story
[12:29:45] <arti> ~ 30 mins ago?
[12:30:03] <prospectacle> yeah, that sounds right
[12:30:22] <NCommander> prospectacle, I blew up the site briefly
[12:31:37] <prospectacle> oh ok
[12:31:41] <prospectacle> as long as it was on purpose
[12:32:22] <prospectacle> So what's happening soylent people?
[12:33:04] <prospectacle> I'm racing to release my to-do list manager before I have to go back to work and don't have much time to work on it
[12:33:14] <arti> better add that to the list
[12:33:32] * arti is reading about functors and monoids
[12:33:44] <arti> i can barely keep my eyes open
[12:33:48] <arti> i'm going to call it
[12:33:53] <prospectacle> are those real words?
[12:34:00] <arti> http://learnyouahaskell.com
[12:34:20] <arti> ciri what are some real words?
[12:34:21] <ciri> arti: Dude, i'd make the words (figure the top 1000 words or something.
[12:34:47] <arti> !grab prospectacle
[12:34:48] <deadbeef> Added quote 155
[12:36:09] <juggler> prospectacle the testicle
[12:36:27] <juggler> SN's 2nd most famous pornstar
[12:37:13] <prospectacle> arti, that article is blowing my mind.
[12:37:26] <arti> mine too
[12:37:42] <prospectacle> A monoid is when you have an associative binary function and a value which acts as an identity with respect to that function.
[12:38:06] <arti> a binary function is one that takes two parameters
[12:38:44] <arti> too funny
[12:39:08] <prospectacle> how is the haskell going in general? Have you made some things?
[12:39:41] <arti> nothing exciting yet
[12:40:17] <arti> it's been pretty wild, i like how it goes about doing things
[12:43:15] <prospectacle> does haskell have one of those "Try it out online" things like "go" does?
[12:43:20] <arti> yeah
[12:43:32] <arti> http://tryhaskell.org
[12:44:03] <prospectacle> that's right. I couldn't find it. Ok I'm gonna learn some haskell in order to procrastinate.
[12:44:15] <arti> its pretty sweet
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[12:47:56] <prospectacle> an engineer, a programmer, and a mathematician are all staying at the same hotel for a conference. In the middle of the night a fire breaks out and makes it into each of their rooms
[12:48:47] <prospectacle> The engineer looks at the fire, and the size of the room, He makes some notes on some paper. He then takes the icebucket, fills it up precisely 3/5ths of the way, pours the water in three places, and the fire is out. He goes back to bed.
[12:49:20] <prospectacle> The programmer takes a glass and fills it with water, then pours it on the fire. He sees the fire isn't out yet. So he repeats the action, over and over until the fire is out. He goes back to bed
[12:49:52] <prospectacle> The mathematician takes a pen and paper and starts scribblings furiously. At the bottom he writes "I have proven I can put out the fire". Then he goes back to bed.
[12:50:10] <arti> hahaha
[12:50:23] <arti> that's a good one :)
[13:06:28] <NCommander> prospectacle, BTW, we upgraded our dev site to the next major of Ubuntu. We had two minor hiccups and we're back up and running 10 minutes after upgrade
[13:07:18] * NCommander isn't sure who said it had to be nerve-racking upgrading operating systems
[13:08:20] <xlefay> Apparently, it's nerve-racking everywhere except Ubuntu (so far in my experience)
[13:10:31] <prospectacle> NCommander, that's pretty darn smooth. Hey NCommander did you know a guy at canonical called andrew bennets?
[13:11:06] <prospectacle> I don't know if it's a massive place or whatever
[13:12:55] <NCommander> prospectacle, that name sounds damn familiar
[13:13:07] <prospectacle> I think he's moved to google now
[13:13:15] <prospectacle> anyway not important
[13:16:01] <crutchy> lol functors wtf?
[13:16:27] * prospectacle is finally watching this "american hustle" everyone's talking about. Nice haircut, The 70s
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[14:11:54] <NCommander> I'm back now
[14:12:10] * NCommander notes he really really hates the name soylentnews.org :-/
[14:12:40] <prospectacle> How are the numbers looking from the vote?
[14:12:43] * xlefay notes he really seconds that
[14:12:54] <prospectacle> is it likely to change?
[14:13:17] <NCommander> prospectacle, I haven't checked, though I'm debating what to do about it
[14:13:21] <NCommander> The fucking name thing is a mess
[14:13:38] <xlefay> Can we please burn it with extreme prejudice?
[14:13:47] <NCommander> My predecessor was intended to avoid the vote as long as possible so we'd be stuck with it
[14:15:34] <prospectacle> The vote had flaws, but it's a start. If it doesn't end up meaning anything it would probably put a lot of people off.
[14:16:16] <NCommander> prospectacle, I'm aware of that
[14:16:55] <NCommander> And I'm bias against the current name. Beside SoylentGreen, there's also the Soylent food product
[14:17:03] <prospectacle> Of course, I don't need to tell you.
[14:17:24] <NCommander> You know, let me check the USPTA
[14:17:29] <prospectacle> It's not a great name. I really liked the idea someone suggested that we buy all the names, and they all point to the same site.
[14:17:47] <NCommander> Shit
[14:17:50] <prospectacle> I added a suggestion that it should show a different title/logo depending on which domain you use to access the site, but it's all the same
[14:17:51] <NCommander> Soylent is trademarked
[14:17:52] <NCommander> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov
[14:17:55] <NCommander> Fuck it
[14:18:08] <prospectacle> well don't tell anyone about the site, it can be our little secret.
[14:20:34] <prospectacle> Besides a not-for-profit social network being unusual, voting for a name is pretty revolutionary. I mean it shows a level of community involvement that is not familiar to the web.
[14:20:50] <NCommander> Yeah
[14:21:10] <NCommander> I'm debating now if the vote should be thrown out and redone, or if I throwout soylentnews.org and take the runner up
[14:21:13] <prospectacle> Little road-bumps in shouldn't make us lose site of that
[14:21:23] <prospectacle> You're doing a good thing, and it takes time.
[14:22:06] <prospectacle> If you disqualified soylentnews because of trademarks, I doubt many people would be offended.
[14:22:15] <NCommander> No, but I should have done it before the vote
[14:22:20] <xlefay> The biggest problem, regardless if you throw it out or revote.. will people still care to revote? :/
[14:22:25] <prospectacle> But you can guarantee some people would be offended. That's just how it goes.
[14:22:49] <NCommander> Well, based on the current system, if I throw SN out, I still get an accurate second runner
[14:22:49] <prospectacle> The sage Bill Cosby said "I don't know the secret to happiness, but I know the secret to unhappiness is trying to please everybody"
[14:22:54] <NCommander> so the two are close
[14:23:12] <prospectacle> Yes, it's a preferential vote, so you can disqualifiy one and it won't cause anarchy
[14:23:16] <xlefay> At the very least, now we still have #8 highest "liked".. which is better than an entire re-vote I suppose, but then.. you still have the issue of, people who vote in the wrong order, people who didn't even get a chance to vote, etc..
[14:23:39] <NCommander> xlefay, I think we can compromise
[14:23:42] <prospectacle> xlefay, even if people voted backwards, their #1 was still their #9, out of 90
[14:23:55] <prospectacle> and they can complain it was unclear, but they can't say there weren't instructions.
[14:23:56] <xlefay> Essentially, I would ask the question: "What's the most fair way?" even if it sucks, I would go with the way that's the most fair, if that's a compromise, then let's do that
[14:24:08] <NCommander> xlefay, we can use this to weed out the crap on the basis enough people probably got enough names to whittle down the list
[14:24:15] <NCommander> xlefay, so we delay the next phase of the vote
[14:24:30] <NCommander> Then do a final round of the last ten wins
[14:24:33] <NCommander> *names
[14:24:38] <xlefay> prospectacle, I realize that, of course. And I agree partially.
[14:24:52] * NCommander notes he should have put librenews on the submission form, but that's likely the name for the NFP
[14:24:55] <prospectacle> Even if people voted backwards you've still got a top 10. For either staff or members to choose from. So it's progress.
[14:25:11] <prospectacle> progress++
[14:25:11] <deadbeef> karma - progress: 1
[14:25:19] <xlefay> NCommander, yeah, let's see the top 10 list, and then take a vote on that. Perhaps, we can even do a re-vote phase for those ten only, allow other people to sign up, etc..
[14:25:32] <xlefay> Essentially, that would be the best compromise I see ;)
[14:25:48] <NCommander> xlefay, well, I think this was the last round of public voting, the final vote would by the staff
[14:26:08] <xlefay> Public voting, you mean, only the members who signed up in time, of course
[14:26:13] <NCommander> Yes
[14:26:48] <xlefay> I mean, take the results of the top 10, close the existing poll (after this phase), then call a new vote with those 10 names (no submission phase or w/e) just a vote on the 10 times and give people enough time to sign up and all.
[14:27:03] <xlefay> That would be fair and less of an interruption then restarting the entire process again, I think
[14:27:14] <NCommander> xlefay, yeah. I need to look at trademark law
[14:27:24] <NCommander> As much as I hate SN as a name
[14:27:32] <NCommander> I want to be on strong legal grounds to toss it
[14:27:50] <Bytram|away> xlefay: agreed.
[14:28:02] <NCommander> Yeah, I think we can consider that fair
[14:28:05] <NCommander> Its not ideal
[14:28:13] <NCommander> but it lets us move forward
[14:28:17] <Bytram|away> I only have a minute before heaeding out for my dayjob and saw this conversation.
[14:28:17] <xlefay> To be entirely honest, to keep it is a liability, even if you have strong legal grounds, they could still technically tie us up in court for years regarding the matter (or so I would assume)
[14:28:30] <NCommander> xlefay, if we got a C&D, we'd immediately change the name
[14:28:35] <NCommander> Some battles just aren't worth fighting
[14:28:42] <Bytram|away> salientnoise ftw =)
[14:28:55] * NCommander castrates Bytram|away
[14:28:55] <prospectacle> hi martyb, thanks for posting my story and adding some useful links.
[14:30:01] <prospectacle> The vote is fine: firstly, most poeple don't care what the name is very much. Secondly, it's a good alpha test for the voting system, which will be important in the future
[14:30:10] Bytram|away is now known as Eunuch
[14:30:16] Eunuch is now known as Btram
[14:30:18] <prospectacle> People will always complain, no matter what.
[14:30:24] <Btram> ^^^
[14:30:29] <NCommander> prospectacle, its not that
[14:30:38] <NCommander> prospectacle, the basis of this site is democracy
[14:30:54] <NCommander> If we can't get this vote to be legit, then what hope do we have for serious matters/
[14:30:56] <xlefay> NCommander, yeah, my point being, it's not worth it to keep us in that position
[14:31:06] <xlefay> this*
[14:31:12] <Btram> the main thing I saw was: 1) vote scoring was backwards from prior experience; 2) email voting sucks; 3) didn't know voting was going on and/or failed to sign up for the vote
[14:31:21] <prospectacle> NCommander, the basis is decomracy, yes, and the voting system matters and is important. But it's not going to be perfect to start with. It's software, and software gets better over time and sucks to begin with
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[14:31:24] <NCommander> Btram, well, I think we have a compromise
[14:31:28] <NCommander> Holy crap, matt
[14:31:32] <matt_> hi
[14:31:34] <prospectacle> show me an exception and I'll be suprised
[14:31:38] <NCommander> matt_, I thought you died O_O;
[14:31:39] <prospectacle> hi matt_
[14:31:45] <Btram> matt_: HEY! Hi there!
[14:31:49] * NCommander has had "check matt for signs of life on his TODO"
[14:31:51] * matt_ sees all and knows all ;-)
[14:31:52] Btram is now known as Bytram
[14:32:29] <Bytram> matt_: okay, what is the new site name going to be?
[14:32:34] <matt_> prospectacle, Btram: hi
[14:32:35] <prospectacle> lol
[14:33:40] <matt_> so, an application for trademark has been filed for "Soylent" in the field of "Dietary and nutritional supplements containing soy."
[14:33:54] <NCommander> i knew about the product
[14:33:54] <matt_> which shouldn't be a problem :)
[14:34:08] <matt_> unless we want to turn SN into a soy-based operation
[14:34:25] <NCommander> matt_, its been granted actually, but I don't know enough about trademark law to know if we'd have issues
[14:34:39] <NCommander> I know generally it works on a field basis, but its asking for a blasting C&D
[14:34:42] <matt_> it has been "Published for opposition".
[14:35:09] <matt_> also, wrt copyrights, etc., very often (unless you make someone particularly angry), there is always the option to license...
[14:35:10] <NCommander> matt_, not sure what opposition there is, its been filed for over a year before we went live. If anything, warner brothers would have more issues with it
[14:35:18] <matt_> ...in other words, pay a little money to make a problem go away.
[14:35:31] <Bytram> matt_: danegeld?
[14:35:35] <NCommander> matt_, I'm aware of that, but frankly, this is a liability I don't want
[14:35:43] <xlefay> that sounds like Barrabas.. I really hope we won't go that path with anyone else..
[14:35:56] <matt_> sadly, life is full of liabilities :)
[14:36:00] <NCommander> xlefay, you said the B word!
[14:36:04] * NCommander shudders
[14:36:05] <xlefay> B@&!**#@: "Pay a little money to me and I'll go away"
[14:36:06] <crutchy> hi matt_
[14:36:12] <matt_> crutchy: hi!
[14:36:15] <xlefay> That better, NCommander ?:)
[14:36:27] <crutchy> haven't introduced myself
[14:36:46] <crutchy> i'm crutchy :-D
[14:36:47] <NCommander> xlefay, :-P
[14:36:59] * NCommander really really hates this
[14:37:06] <NCommander> This is a fucking no-win scenario
[14:37:12] * Bytram ain't too much liking it either.
[14:37:24] * xlefay thirds that
[14:37:33] <xlefay> I'm really getting scared of agreeing with you guys all the time..
[14:37:34] <crutchy> what's the beef?
[14:37:44] <NCommander> crutchy, its made of soy
[14:37:49] <xlefay> at least, mrcoolbp & I have an understanding regarding agreeing with each other.
[14:37:59] <crutchy> it's just a trademark registration
[14:38:03] <Bytram> No matter how difficult the technical challenges I've faced in my development career, they've been dwarfed by the challenges I've faced in dealing with people.
[14:38:04] <ciri> Bytram, Yes, you can guarantee some people sometimes. If you've got ample additional menus and what not.
[14:38:06] <xlefay> We try to avoid it, all the times.
[14:38:08] <NCommander> xlefay, I'll be afraid when you and audioguy agree on something :-)
[14:38:16] <xlefay> NCommander, we have in the past ;-)
[14:38:32] <crutchy> it's actually more likely to protect the site filed the way it is
[14:38:33] <NCommander> Bytram, BTW, we smoketested an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04
[14:38:41] * xlefay looks at NCommander and sees him shivering in a corner
[14:38:53] <Bytram> I'm out the door in 2 minutes. how'd it go?
[14:39:00] <NCommander> Bytram, how'd what go?
[14:39:02] <xlefay> Bytram, one word, 'awesome'
[14:39:09] <NCommander> Oh, d'oh
[14:39:18] <NCommander> Bytram, two minor breakages, one was expected
[14:39:33] <NCommander> Ten minutes of downtime on lithium to fix a config file
[14:39:37] <xlefay> Also, I've got an extremely important announcement folks. Can I please have the room for a second or so?
[14:39:38] <Bytram> saving the major breakages for later, I see?
[14:39:40] <Bytram> lol
[14:39:45] -!- mode/#Soylent [+m #Soylent] by NCommander
[14:39:48] <Bytram> j/k glad it went os smoothly!
[14:39:49] <NCommander> xlefay, floor is yours
[14:39:50] <xlefay> I'll be eating pancakes tonight. Thank you.
[14:39:55] -!- mode/#Soylent [-m #Soylent] by xlefay
[14:39:55] <NCommander> ....
[14:39:59] <NCommander> Such a waste of a floor
[14:40:06] <Bytram> gtg have fun eeryone!!!!
[14:40:10] <xlefay> NCommander, haha in the future, I'll keep it serious!
[14:40:18] <xlefay> I just.. couldn't resist with all the stuff going on :P
[14:40:22] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[14:40:23] <xlefay> Bytram, take care buddy! Drive safe!
[14:40:25] <NCommander> I have something to announce to!
[14:40:31] <NCommander> *ahem*
[14:40:32] <crutchy> ahh someone else has a Soylent trademark
[14:40:34] <xlefay> Great, should I +m it?
[14:40:43] <NCommander> I just saved a ton of money by switching to GEICO
[14:40:45] * xlefay notes he kinda felt bad NCommander +m'd the floor
[14:40:48] <NCommander> :-)
[14:41:08] <xlefay> Insurance? That's cool!
[14:41:31] <NCommander> xlefay, actually, I got rid of car insurance when my truck vanished into a pile of USD
[14:41:38] <xlefay> oh
[14:41:41] <xlefay> haha :D
[14:42:19] <xlefay> The only insurance I have is health, and it rapes my bank account about every month, around 170 euros a month o.O :[
[14:42:47] <NCommander> xlefay, I get that for free through $JOB
[14:42:54] <xlefay> :-/
[14:42:55] <NCommander> As well as people who end up employed by the NFP
[14:42:55] <crutchy> i have life, income, home, car, contents
[14:43:07] * NCommander was rewatching the Princess Bribe
[14:43:09] <xlefay> oh I have life insurance too, but that's only 8 euros a month
[14:43:16] <crutchy> yet to have health, but i pay enough medicare in my taxes ($1000+)
[14:43:22] <NCommander> Maybe I should do something like Dread Pirate Roberts
[14:43:26] <crutchy> wow that's cheap
[14:43:30] <NCommander> Handle down the handle of NCommander to whoever comes next
[14:43:50] <xlefay> crutchy, depends on how you look at it really
[14:43:55] <prospectacle> lol "Princess Bribe"
[14:43:59] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[14:43:59] <deadbeef> Added quote 156
[14:44:10] <xlefay> You know, that could be extremely misinterpreted..
[14:44:12] <prospectacle> that would be an interesting movie
[14:44:27] <crutchy> *everyone makes a wide berth around ncommander as the run past* :-P
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[14:44:32] <NCommander> some people have kids, I achieve immortality for my online persona
[14:44:51] <crutchy> kids are my life
[14:44:52] <xlefay> eh, both are overrated
[14:45:00] <prospectacle> Some people want to be uploaded to an artificial intelligence to achieve immortality, but....
[14:45:06] * xlefay ducks from the bricks being thrown at him from both sides
[14:45:11] <prospectacle> .. what if someone spent their whole life manually programming a chat-bot. Would that be just as good
[14:45:17] <xlefay> prospectacle, naturally.
[14:45:34] * crutchy wonders if prospectacle is pointed at him
[14:45:37] <xlefay> Or rather, that goes without saying. IRC is immortal
[14:46:03] <prospectacle> well crutchy, I wasn't, but it's not too late for you!
[14:46:47] <crutchy> i think mine is fairly happy where it, but the modules to build on is another thing... like IRCiv
[14:47:07] <prospectacle> crutchy, feature creep is inevitable, give in now and embrace it
[14:47:15] <xlefay> import soul # that's is all.
[14:47:18] <prospectacle> climb down into the abyss
[14:47:19] <crutchy> prospectacle: got the auto-login/logout working :-D
[14:47:24] <prospectacle> nice
[14:51:55] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Former Oil Exec says Fracking not Safe - http://sylnt.us - its-not-fracking-safe-I-think-he-said
[14:57:44] crutchy is now known as crutchy|blah
[14:57:48] crutchy|blah is now known as crutchy
[15:02:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> SedBot: deadbeef s/Fracking/Oil Industry/
[15:02:30] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[15:03:01] <prospectacle> deadbeef: s/Fracking/Oil Industry/
[15:03:01] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Former Oil Exec says Oil Industry not Safe - http://sylnt.us - its-not-fracking-safe-I-think-he-said
[15:03:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> ^ yeah, that.
[15:04:23] <prospectacle> "Former General says War Not Safe, Adds That Safety Was Never A Consideration"
[15:04:42] <xlefay> I think that's a pretty good summary
[15:05:56] * NCommander sighs
[15:06:10] <NCommander> I think I ran out of words
[15:06:13] <xlefay> $JOB ?
[15:06:42] * prospectacle gives NCommander a fresh bag of words
[15:06:44] <prospectacle> enjoy
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[15:07:20] <xlefay> TK, do you have status report for us?
[15:11:44] <NCommander> xlefay, manifesto
[15:12:10] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Former Oil Exec Says Fracking Not Safe - http://sylnt.us - its-not-fracking-safe-I-think-he-said
[15:12:27] <NCommander> prospectacle, http://wiki.soylentnews.org - I found the manifesto is becoming relatively simple than I had envisioned it
[15:12:54] <xlefay> NCommander, I see
[15:13:04] <prospectacle> NCommander, you ever work out an algorithm with like, three guys, on a whiteboard, before you code it?
[15:13:10] <NCommander> prospectacle, no
[15:13:22] * NCommander feels complete and total blah
[15:13:23] <prospectacle> NCommander, it's always a lot shorter at the end than it is 5 minutes in.
[15:13:46] * NCommander sometimes wonders if someone else would be better at running this site ;-/
[15:14:19] <prospectacle> A short manifesto can be much better than a long one
[15:14:22] * NCommander is listening to the soundtrack to FFT
[15:15:11] <prospectacle> Blaise pascal said: I'm sorry I wrote you such a long letter. I didn't have time to write you a short one.
[15:15:14] <xlefay> NCommander, there is always someone else better at job than someone else. But that doesn't mean we want someone else. I'm quite satisfied with you at the helm and you've been doing exceptionally well.
[15:15:49] <prospectacle> Yeah I want NCommander running the site. If he put up a donation button I would donate.
[15:17:03] <xlefay> NCommander, just, to ensure my message is getting across, it is intended to be positive - and to say, you shouldn't doubt yourself.
[15:17:47] <TK> xlefay: yes, we found the jade monkey, it was in your glove compartment
[15:17:58] <xlefay> dammit and I don't even have a car!
[15:18:23] <TK> bonus, the maps were in there too
[15:18:27] <xlefay> w00t!
[15:19:48] <prospectacle> NCommander, I can imagine this project would be very draining in addition to a paid job. I don't know how you've done it this long. If you wanted this job to be a paid job I think you could do it fairly easily. People would donate to fund the running of the site.
[15:19:50] <xlefay> oh crap.. I think my internal NFS is fuckt
[15:20:00] <xlefay> err, LDAP
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[15:22:13] <TK> Not knowing the status of the non-profit, is there a beer delivery service we could use?
[15:22:16] <prospectacle> Wait, you're listening to the soundtrack for the Football Federation Tasmania?
[15:22:18] <weeds> top of the mornin to ya!
[15:22:22] <prospectacle> hi weeds
[15:22:35] <xlefay> Greetings weeds
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[15:24:37] <xlefay> NCommander, re: linode
[15:24:39] <xlefay> "Thank you for your patience while we investigated this issue. We made a few changes on our end and everything should be back to normal now. We believe that this issue occurred because the service was not reporting to our database correctly. "
[15:24:48] <xlefay> I'm afraid they're using MySQL.. we're doomed.
[15:25:00] <xlefay> Although.. the server didn't report it
[15:25:03] <xlefay> service*
[15:25:37] <xlefay> 2 up, 0 down!
[15:26:14] <NCommander> prospectacle, I'm not a well paid engineer, but I'm honestly not sure we could get enough money from the community to match my current salary
[15:26:20] <NCommander> Or even my initial starting one
[15:26:25] <xlefay> ooh NCommander btw, fluorine doesn't show up in linode's panel and neither does neon
[15:26:50] <TK> Well sure, but maybe enough of a supplement to make it worth it
[15:26:54] <prospectacle> NCommander, couldn't hurt to try. It's not like you'll have to quit your job to accept any donations for running this site.
[15:26:57] <NCommander> xlefay, they're under production
[15:27:07] <xlefay> NCommander, you mustn't have shared them with us yet
[15:27:17] <NCommander> xlefay, ah, oops
[15:27:19] <xlefay> :)
[15:27:24] <NCommander> xlefay, fuck it, I'm going to give you an unrestricted linode account
[15:27:38] <xlefay> I promise to use it wisely. :)
[15:27:44] <NCommander> er
[15:27:45] <NCommander> Not
[15:27:47] <NCommander> fuck
[15:27:52] <NCommander> I need to migrate lighthouse off this account
[15:28:07] <xlefay> I must say, I'm intrigued with that name
[15:28:15] <prospectacle> NCommander. I know I've floated this before, but if you crowdfunded something relating to the site (e.g. a book about trying to make the site work), it would fund the site, and you, and the book could be written as you go.
[15:28:18] <xlefay> It reminds me of Haven though so :/
[15:28:28] * prospectacle wishes NCommander riches in creating a not-for-profit
[15:28:55] <NCommander> xlefay, the name actually comes from when I was overseas and I needed a permament system up stateside
[15:28:57] <NCommander> Hence lighthouse
[15:29:09] <xlefay> haha that's pretty cool
[15:29:19] <NCommander> I usually retire system names when I retire bo
[15:29:26] <NCommander> But lighthouse just gets moved to new boxes
[15:29:46] <NCommander> if I end up moving to New Hampshire for incorporation
[15:29:51] <NCommander> I want to live in a lighthouse
[15:29:54] <xlefay> The name's a keeper ;-)
[15:30:40] <xlefay> Is the justification for the US incorporation ready? I made it a point out of respect to fully read it
[15:30:48] <NCommander> My old NAS used to be alexandria (named after the library)
[15:31:13] <NCommander> My iA-64 desktop was Prometheus
[15:31:27] <crutchy> one of my nas drives is called "myblowbot"
[15:31:30] <xlefay> I see, well my nas/htpc/hostnode (I know.....) is called "hellraiser" don't ask me why, I just felt dark in that moment when I spent hours trying to come up with a good name!
[15:31:38] <NCommander> ahaha, sounds like my desktop
[15:31:41] <NCommander> Which is perdition
[15:31:44] <xlefay> So I called it hellraiser, because it was a hell to figure out a name!
[15:31:54] <NCommander> (went nicely with my old laptop which was absolution)
[15:32:08] <xlefay> haha
[15:32:34] <NCommander> My current machine is named tranquility
[15:32:41] <xlefay> My laptop's called Defiant ;D
[15:32:50] <NCommander> I suspect my next one will be serenity
[15:32:57] <crutchy> one of my laptops is called "mirv"
[15:32:59] <xlefay> (I wanted to watch DS9 .. when I was installing it ;-))
[15:33:09] <xlefay> NCommander, you ever watched firefly?
[15:33:12] <NCommander> Indeed
[15:33:27] <xlefay> haha :D
[15:33:48] * NCommander notes he associates himself w/ Malcom
[15:33:49] <xlefay> What's funny is, that most of these names are so unoriginal, but once we enter them as the hostname, it feels so good!
[15:34:03] <xlefay> It's meaning full in some way to ourselves, which makes it somewhat special
[15:34:04] <prospectacle> our stock control system is skynet
[15:34:50] <xlefay> NCommander, haha, just don't start running stolen cargo! :P
[15:35:05] <xlefay> prospectacle, that's funny, we've got a juggler bot called skynet :-P
[15:35:55] <NCommander> >.>;
[15:36:00] <prospectacle> ours has yet to become self aware, but every day I cower in fear and submission, just in case.
[15:36:54] <crutchy> should rename ciri to skynet, cos i reckon its close
[15:36:55] <ciri> crutchy, Cos they're a bit small to see you back, we need to get the boxes of stuff, 2 for.
[15:37:41] <xlefay> prospectacle, good thinking!
[15:38:28] <xlefay> crutchy, ^
[15:39:53] <NCommander> prospectacle, with how I do it, its the same way I do anything. I put my boots on the line and keep going
[15:41:22] <TK> If I used "flexure" in a sentence, would the general public understand what I meant?
[15:41:49] <prospectacle> TK, no
[15:42:33] <TK> hmmm
[15:42:40] <prospectacle> But maybe a lot of SN audience would
[15:42:50] <prospectacle> I had to look it up, though.
[15:43:14] <prospectacle> If the context explained it then go ahead. They can figure it out from the "flex" root
[15:44:01] * xlefay is patiently waiting for the smell of pancakes..
[15:44:59] <prospectacle> NCommander, whatever you're doing it seems to be working well so far
[15:45:16] <NCommander> prospectacle, i'm trying
[15:45:19] <prospectacle> But I'm not surprised if you feel spread thin
[15:45:34] * NCommander notes he's lost a shitton of weight
[15:45:41] <NCommander> though obviously not what you meant
[15:46:02] <prospectacle> lol, well that's good though.
[15:46:08] <prospectacle> If it were me I would have tried to make money from the site by now so I could do the site full time.
[15:46:21] <NCommander> prospectacle, and yeah, I do. I'm waiting for incorporation though before doing that
[15:46:50] <prospectacle> well fair enough, you gotta have a strategy. How's the incorporation going?
[15:46:54] <NCommander> prospectacle, poorly
[15:47:19] <prospectacle> Oh I'm sorry to hear that
[15:47:38] <prospectacle> Is it expensive, or what?
[15:47:56] <crutchy> and bureaucratic
[15:48:43] <NCommander> prospectacle, research really, and I need to relocate to do it
[15:48:58] <NCommander> prospectacle, I haven't even started the actual process, I keep just pissing on SN house fires -_-;;;;
[15:49:14] <crutchy> just let them burn
[15:49:17] <prospectacle> Is NY not a good place to do it?
[15:49:24] <crutchy> as long as the technical shit is ok, the rest can burn
[15:49:42] <NCommander> prospectacle,well, I've researched new hampshire, but I promised the community I would research this indepth
[15:49:55] <NCommander> prospectacle, right now, I'm leaning heavily towards NH
[15:50:09] <NCommander> http://wiki.soylentnews.org - *notes he hasn't worked on it in 2 weeks*
[15:50:39] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Norwegian Army Tests Occulus Rift Armored Vehicle - http://sylnt.us - now-that-explains-why-Facebook-bought-it
[15:50:55] <prospectacle> Would it be more effective to incorporate where you are, raise money, then move to whatever state is better, later?
[15:50:57] * crutchy clicks link
[15:51:18] <xlefay> re: tagline | So, soldiers can see who they're killing BEFORE they kill that person? Maybe snap some pictures and tag people and all?
[15:51:30] <NCommander> prospectacle, I don't really have a permament address
[15:51:31] <crutchy> lol something new for hackers to access
[15:51:37] <NCommander> I only technically reside in nys
[15:52:03] <xlefay> nys? New York s?
[15:52:10] <NCommander> New York State
[15:52:12] <xlefay> oh
[15:52:22] <prospectacle> I see. Well in that case, don't forget you can raise money as an individual as well. I mean that might help you with some of the moving costs, and tide you over until it's all sorted.
[15:52:24] <xlefay> I forgot that you guys have states for a second
[15:52:33] <prospectacle> It's not ideal, but what is?
[15:52:45] <crutchy> once you get out of the boroughs ney york prolly isn't that bad eh?
[15:52:49] <prospectacle> xlefay, is netherlands just one state?
[15:53:03] <xlefay> We don't have states here, we just have provinces
[15:53:15] <NCommander> fuck it, i need to force myself to go
[15:53:24] <NCommander> prospectacle, moving costs? I live out of a single bag
[15:53:27] <NCommander> Everything I own is in that bag
[15:53:29] <crutchy> here in oz we just have one big fucking huge empty space
[15:53:49] * NCommander sold everything a year ago to become a nomad
[15:53:58] <crutchy> with a few mining companies and kangaroos, and whatever secret squirrel stuff is hoing on out there
[15:54:12] <prospectacle> ncommander appears to be one of the digital nomads foretold in prophecy
[15:54:12] <crutchy> s/ho/go/
[15:54:12] <SedBot> <crutchy> with a few mining companies and kangaroos, and whatever secret squirrel stuff is going on out there
[15:54:30] <xlefay> Ah an excellent place to experiment on alie^H^Heh, strangers
[15:54:30] <crutchy> NCommander: watch out for Agent Smith
[15:54:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> crutchy: NYC is 50% of the people in NYS living in 1% of the area; almost all of NYS outside of NYC is pretty nice.
[15:54:51] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I'm originally from NYC :-P
[15:55:01] <crutchy> AndyTheAbsurd: yeah that's what i suspected.
[15:55:06] <crutchy> out in the watershed
[15:55:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> NYC has it's good points, too
[15:55:14] <prospectacle> NCommander, well not moving costs, then, but living costs, while you sort shit out
[15:55:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> I actually like living in cities with decent public transit infrastructure
[15:55:36] <NCommander> I also lived in Rochester, NY
[15:55:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> I grew up just north of Albany, NY.
[15:56:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> Then moved to Boston, then to Florida.
[15:56:55] <prospectacle> AndyTheAbsurd I might be visiting boston next year, what should i not miss?
[15:57:13] <NCommander> prospectacle, I recommend missing the city
[15:57:19] <prospectacle> lol
[15:57:29] <crutchy> you probably won't miss the TSA :-P
[15:57:44] <crutchy> even if you try
[15:58:28] <TK> bu dum tish
[15:59:08] <TK> If you can miss driving, do that
[16:00:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> prospectacle: Kinda depends on what you're into, but I'd say the following are good bets: Boston Science Museum, the view from the observation level at the John Hancock tower, Grasshopper Vegan Asian Cuisine (if it's still open, I think technically it's in Allston but it's close enough to Boston), the Museum of Fine Arts, Duck Tours if they're still running, and the Freedom Trail.
[16:01:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> and yes, if you can avoid driving, do so.
[16:02:04] <NCommander> fuck it
[16:02:07] * NCommander forces himself to work ont his
[16:05:31] <NCommander> ....
[16:05:37] <NCommander> I don't have it in me
[16:05:40] <NCommander> Honestly
[16:05:53] <NCommander> I am tempted just to incorporate in New Hampshire
[16:06:00] <NCommander> Its got very favorable laws and ...
[16:06:53] * NCommander cleans up the incorporation page
[16:08:27] <NCommander> xlefay, you around?
[16:11:14] <crutchy> prolly munching on pancakes
[16:11:57] * NCommander needs a cigarette
[16:11:58] <NCommander> fuck it
[16:12:01] <NCommander> fuck fuck fuck
[16:12:08] <crutchy> fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
[16:12:28] <xlefay> xlefay, yeah
[16:12:29] * crutchy hits the code to get shit out of his system
[16:12:32] <xlefay> err
[16:12:34] <xlefay> NCommander, yeah what's up
[16:12:39] <crutchy> lol
[16:13:42] <crutchy> fucking mysql admin
[16:13:47] <crutchy> *force closes*
[16:15:45] <prospectacle> Just do it, you're the commander. You can make a roadmap to incorporating in the "ideal jurisdiction" after you've incorporated in a decent one. Tell people the perfect is the enemy of the good and progress is better than waiting forever for research to be complete.
[16:16:05] <prospectacle> Some people will complain, but most will be like 'makes sense'
[16:17:05] <crutchy> establish a committee, then wait a littel bit for it to achieve nothing, then go do whatever has to be done and blame it on the committee
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[16:17:54] <michealpwalls> Yay!
[16:17:56] <michealpwalls> "622 mails sent to 622 users matching the search criteria. Here's a list of recipients:"
[16:17:58] <michealpwalls> (hifive)
[16:18:01] <crutchy> a committee is a kind of faceless entity, so nobody gets hurt
[16:18:10] <crutchy> g'day michealpwalls
[16:18:14] <prospectacle> hi michealpwalls. Welcome. Wtf are you talking about?
[16:18:17] <michealpwalls> Howdy! :)
[16:18:34] <xlefay> Obviously, he's been sending out spam!
[16:18:36] <michealpwalls> My bulk contact form.. It worked wonderfully under load today! :)
[16:18:43] <michealpwalls> So happy :D
[16:18:46] <prospectacle> good work
[16:18:52] <xlefay> ooh that's good
[16:19:02] <crutchy> are you spamming algerian scammers?
[16:19:03] <NCommander> prospectacle, actually, I think NH is ideal
[16:19:21] <NCommander> prospectacle, extremely strong shield laws, recongization of bloggers as journalists, etc.
[16:19:24] <crutchy> NH is home of the liberty movement... that's all you need to know :-D
[16:19:36] <NCommander> After I did my research there, it didn't seem like worth the time to go into lesser alternatives
[16:19:41] <crutchy> peter schiff set up shop there
[16:19:48] <crutchy> if you see him, say hi from me
[16:19:50] <NCommander> This makes my plans much much simplier
[16:19:58] <NCommander> I'm just going to go to NH when I finish in rochester
[16:20:05] <crutchy> actually if you go there people will probably help you out
[16:20:06] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm here, what's up?
[16:20:08] <NCommander> And fly Buffalo -> Portsmouth
[16:20:08] <prospectacle> NCommander, may as well go with it then. No sense delaying just for the appearance of balance
[16:20:26] <NCommander> prospectacle, the damn incorporation document is 10k words long :-)
[16:20:39] <NCommander> I think I did my due dilligence on this
[16:20:52] <prospectacle> It would take forever to research every jurisdiction, and you don't have forever
[16:21:04] <NCommander> xlefay, I think we're just going to incorporate in NH, I think I made the case well enough http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:21:18] <NCommander> I need to writeup the last lase and Globel v. Alliance
[16:21:22] <prospectacle> Sounds like you can make a strong case for new hampshire. I daresay most people would be happier with a good action than perfect research.
[16:21:23] <crutchy> hmm sorry peter schiff is in CT
[16:22:23] <NCommander> prospectacle, yeah, once I can get this going, I'm going to be fucking estastic
[16:22:48] <NCommander> I'm going to call my mom
[16:22:49] <NCommander> bbl
[16:22:51] <NCommander> *bbiab
[16:22:54] <prospectacle> catch you later
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[16:24:39] <xlefay> NCommander, I haven't read the entire document entirely, of course, but ultimately, the decision is in your hands. From what I'm seeing, you gave it more than a fair amount of attention and if you think this is the wisest course of action, then I'm agreeing with prospectacle, go for it. ;-)
[16:26:30] <crutchy> i've been following ron paul and the liberty movement a little... NH is the way to go
[16:26:35] * crutchy seconds NH
[16:28:21] <crutchy> not that is prolly matters much anyway... the way the US is going the feds can just come in and take whatever they want anyway
[16:29:44] <weeds> Workin and lurkin.... NC buddy, make the call and run with it.
[16:30:11] <NCommander> Yeah
[16:30:17] <NCommander> What my plan is now is finish up in WNY
[16:30:25] <NCommander> and get on a plane to New Hampshire
[16:30:38] <NCommander> Debating where I want to live
[16:31:37] <NCommander> I *really* liked Portsmith when I was there
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[16:32:40] * NCommander is going to post this to the site
[16:32:51] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm impressed with the amount of information. I would suggest contacting a lawyer in NH (perhaps, we can make an exception and open up a donation for this case); and get the ball rolling.
[16:33:17] <xlefay> I'm assuming, a lawyer will be used to make sure the process goes as smoothly as possible?
[16:33:34] <xlefay> s/\?/. Correct\?/
[16:33:35] <SedBot> <xlefay> I'm assuming, a lawyer will be used to make sure the process goes as smoothly as possible. Correct?
[16:34:02] <crutchy> there's prolly people that that would help for free
[16:34:24] <crutchy> the liberty movement is pro-capitalist, but not pro-greedy
[16:34:45] <crutchy> they are more pro-capitalist because its free
[16:34:52] <crutchy> s/free/freedom/
[16:34:52] <SedBot> <crutchy> they are more pro-capitalist because its freedom
[16:35:20] <xlefay> crutchy, of course, but whether a lawyer is hired, or other help is given, someone who practices law locally there can probably ensure the process goes smooth
[16:35:34] <xlefay> I need to eat, I'll be back soon, again, NCommander, quite impressive.
[16:35:38] <crutchy> for sure
[16:35:49] <crutchy> xlefay, enjoy :-D
[16:35:58] <xlefay> Thanks. PANCAKES here I come!
[16:36:02] <Cyprus> morn
[16:37:06] <NCommander> crutchy, I'm debating where I want to live in the state
[16:37:14] <NCommander> crutchy, concord is a logical choice, it is the capital
[16:37:21] <NCommander> But I'll be there by the end of the week
[16:37:41] <crutchy> i wouldn't have thought you even have to live there at all
[16:37:53] <matt_> you don't. you can use a registered agent.
[16:37:55] <crutchy> you just need a postal address
[16:37:59] <crutchy> yeah
[16:38:05] <crutchy> or that
[16:38:07] <crutchy> :-)
[16:38:07] <NCommander> matt_, I need to live somewhere
[16:38:13] <matt_> true :)
[16:38:18] <NCommander> And its easier dealing with the state when you're there physically
[16:38:33] <crutchy> there is lots of red tape in the states no matter where you live
[16:38:44] <crutchy> so yeah prolly wouldn't hurt
[16:38:44] <NCommander> matt_, I'm going to have a RA regardless, can't afford to miss something business related
[16:39:23] * NCommander notes he once swore he would never live in New England again
[16:39:26] <NCommander> Ah well
[16:39:28] <NCommander> :-)
[16:39:30] <matt_> NCommander, good point. Also, I believe that NH requires at least 5 incorporators (i.e., at least 5 adults must sign the incorporation document).
[16:39:32] <NCommander> Never say never
[16:39:36] <NCommander> matt_, 10 actually
[16:39:46] <Cyprus> ewww new england
[16:39:57] <NCommander> matt_, unclear if they have to be residents, but if I have to drive to 10 SNs users house to get them to sign it, so be it :-)
[16:40:19] <matt_> NCommander, I think it is 5 incorporators and 5 board members, but I think that they can be the same.
[16:40:31] <prospectacle> Well based on Stephen Kings cautionary tales, New England will probably kill you. But hey, you gotta live somewhere.
[16:41:17] <NCommander> prospectacle, I went to Iraq as a tourist, I think I'll survive NE
[16:41:21] <prospectacle> oh wait that's Maine, never mind
[16:41:38] <prospectacle> Yeah you'll be right
[16:41:40] <crutchy> at least if everything turns to shit you're close to an international border
[16:41:47] <NCommander> matt_, I need to work out the specifics of the bylaws, but now that I know where, that jsut became sane
[16:42:05] <NCommander> matt_, honestly, I cold probably research more states, but the First Appealate Circuit is press friendly, as is local NH law
[16:42:18] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - California Rejects Phone "Kill Switch" Law - http://sylnt.us - my-favorite-kind-of-switch
[16:42:24] <matt_> probably a good idea to consult a lawyer before firmly deciding on the state, just in case they know an obscure reason why another state would be a better choice, imho.
[16:42:42] <NCommander> matt_, I need to draft an email to the EFF
[16:42:53] <NCommander> matt_, but I think we finally have a plan on this
[16:43:07] <crutchy> maybe we should incorporate in texas and start suing everyone
[16:43:11] <NCommander> ew
[16:43:18] <NCommander> I don't want to be in the fucking ninth circuit
[16:43:44] <NCommander> matt_, any recommendations beside the EFF for lawyers?
[16:43:59] <crutchy> anyone involved with the debian project
[16:44:03] <matt_> lawyers or free lawyers?
[16:44:07] <prospectacle> "Live free or die"
[16:44:18] <NCommander> "Live Free Or Die" :-)
[16:44:34] <NCommander> crutchy, mcasadevall@debian.org is me :-)
[16:44:35] <crutchy> LFOD
[16:44:40] <crutchy> hmm
[16:44:48] <NCommander> as is mcasadevall@ubuntu.com
[16:44:50] <crutchy> well at least its not BSOD
[16:45:07] <crutchy> sorry meant the organisational bit
[16:45:21] <crutchy> their bureaucrats
[16:45:25] <NCommander> matt_, I'm willing to pay w.r.t incorporation, but I did a lot of due dilligance w.r.t. NH
[16:46:08] <matt_> NCommander, wrt lawyers, it can be good to go with a large firm in the event that you need to bring in specific expertise in the future.
[16:46:19] <NCommander> matt_, and I read through RSA 292:2, and didn't see anything too fugly for incorporation
[16:46:46] <NCommander> matt_, i mean, strictly speaking, we could incorporation anywhere and it would likely e good enough, but NH has a lot going for it
[16:47:13] <crutchy> the feds own you wherever you go
[16:47:19] <NCommander> Basically
[16:47:34] <matt_> NCommander, if you engage a lawyer, they will basically give you their template incorporation document. I think it would be unusual to actually write one from scratch, as they are pretty much all the same.
[16:48:12] <Blackmoore|afk> NCommander: wish i had known you were out this way. I'd have taken you for coffee.
[16:48:13] <NCommander> matt_, if you got a firm in mind, I am willing to engange them, though i'd admitly prefer a lawyer who would at least be semi-vested in freedom of press
[16:48:22] <NCommander> Blackmoore|afk, where are you in RL?
[16:48:29] <Blackmoore|afk> buffalo
[16:48:35] <NCommander> Blackmoore|afk, I'll be there tomorrow
[16:48:41] <NCommander> Coming in on the Maple Leaf
[16:48:51] <Blackmoore|afk> I'll send you a PM
[16:49:07] * NCommander waits
[16:49:16] <matt_> NCommander, Well, I use Cooley LLP. You can look them up and see what you think. But certainly see what the EFF has to say. Of course, you can always bring on more lawyers as time goes on :-)
[16:49:17] Blackmoore|afk is now known as Blackmoore|pointlessmeetings
[16:49:39] <crutchy> lol
[16:49:44] <NCommander> matt_, ...
[16:50:24] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - UK To Get New Polar Research Vessel - http://sylnt.us - Sittin-on-Top-of-the-World
[16:51:04] <NCommander> matt_, can you give me a hand drafting an email to the EFF?
[16:51:09] <NCommander> matt_, I'd really appreicate it
[16:51:12] <matt_> sure.
[16:51:17] <crutchy> this looked interesting: http://www.nhnonprofits.org
[16:51:40] <matt_> NCommander, do you have any contacts there?
[16:51:53] <NCommander> matt_, nope
[16:52:20] <NCommander> As far as legal resources go, I'm empiter than a petrol tank in North Korea
[16:52:30] <crutchy> https://www.nolo.com
[16:53:01] <crutchy> ^^ pretty much a step-by-step guide
[16:53:31] <NCommander> crutchy, thanks
[16:54:56] <matt_> NCommander, do you want to rework mattie_p's draft EFF email (sent 3/17)? I think we can fill in a few details.
[16:55:47] <matt> my highlight is going off crazily
[16:55:51] matt is now known as Popeidol
[16:56:19] <Popeidol> irssi taking your username as a default is a menace
[16:56:54] <NCommander> Popeidol, oops :-)
[16:57:20] <NCommander> matt_, yeah, I think its a good basis, i need to plug some of the gaps in my notes, but I think this is a good start
[16:57:21] <NCommander> I hope
[16:57:23] <NCommander> Maybe
[16:57:25] * NCommander is doomed
[16:57:55] <NCommander> Blackmoore|pointlessmeetings, .... I have to ask, how'd you have my personal email?
[16:58:01] <NCommander> Or did you C&P it above?
[16:58:38] * NCommander has mcasadevall@soylentnews.org on the site public
[16:59:10] <crutchy> NCommander: you can sing the doom song: https://www.youtube.com
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[17:02:45] <NCommander> http://arstechnica.com
[17:02:50] <NCommander> mrcoolbp|zzz, hey
[17:06:13] <NCommander> Article I got in the hopper
[17:06:18] <NCommander> Incorproation: New Hampshire
[17:06:24] <NCommander> from the live-free-or-die dept
[17:06:28] <NCommander> er
[17:06:32] <NCommander> Incorporation
[17:06:40] mrcoolbp|zzz is now known as mrcoo|coffee
[17:08:25] * NCommander injects mrcoo|coffee with caffeine
[17:09:00] <mrcoo|coffee> aw that feels GREAT
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[17:09:49] <NCommander> mrcoo|coffee, we've got a location for incorporation
[17:10:02] <NCommander> mrcoo|coffee, and I got a compromise on the current vote
[17:10:11] mrcoo|coffee is now known as mrcoobp
[17:10:15] mrcoobp is now known as mrcoolbp
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[17:10:31] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, and I'm looking at vetoing off soylentnews.org due to trademark concerns :-/
[17:10:40] <NCommander> oooh, fresh blood
[17:10:45] <mrcoolbp> heh
[17:11:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander the plot thinckens?
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[17:11:15] <matt_> mrcoolbp, hi!
[17:11:20] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, well, on the name vote thing, what I want to do is we'll finish the current phase of voting
[17:11:26] <mrcoolbp> hey matt_! long time no see
[17:11:32] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, then put a hold on it, and address the voting system for a final ten vote
[17:12:21] * mrcoolbp isn't seeing the article in hopper
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[17:13:06] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, still writing it :-)
[17:13:13] <NCommander> I changed the title to "Incorporation Or How I Stopped Worried and Learned to Love New Hampshire"
[17:13:14] <mrcoolbp> ah
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[17:14:12] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, how do you feel on vetoing the SN name?
[17:14:41] * mrcoolbp chugs coffee
[17:14:52] <mrcoolbp> if there's a IP issue....um.. I think it makes sense...
[17:15:31] <matt_> is there an IP issue?
[17:15:39] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its questionable, trademark is murky at best
[17:15:51] <xlefay> NCommander, about that downtime tonight, has anything gone out regarding that?
[17:15:52] <NCommander> matt_, beside Soylent Green, there's an active trademark for "Soylent"
[17:16:00] <NCommander> xlefay, not yet, I think I'm going to delay this weekend
[17:16:03] <NCommander> too much shit to do
[17:16:17] <xlefay> That sounds much better ;-)
[17:16:44] <xlefay> (the delay, that is)
[17:17:02] <crutchy> the name of the incorporated nfp corp doesn't have to match the domain
[17:17:18] <Popeidol> crutchy: in australia it does, but thankfully they're not doing it here
[17:17:19] <crutchy> call it "ncommander's nfp" if you want
[17:17:38] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, are you sure you took over the pinterest crap? Apparently, chat@sn still receives e-mails for it.. Perhaps, it allows for multiple e-mail addresses? If so, can you please remove chat@ from that list?
[17:17:56] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I don't think anyone can argue with veto-ing SN if it doesn't even meet the criteria we put out. Though I'll note there are a few that "like" it "just fine"
[17:18:11] * mrcoolbp goes to check the darned pinterest account
[17:18:18] <xlefay> Thanks much appreciated
[17:18:24] <crutchy> tbh i don't really give a crap what its called... i use bookmarks anyway
[17:18:30] <NCommander> pinetrest?
[17:18:40] <NCommander> er, pinterest
[17:18:44] <xlefay> I dunno, some site
[17:19:01] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm going to temporarily change the site slogan
[17:19:06] <NCommander> SoylentNews: Live Free or Die
[17:19:31] <xlefay> Perhaps we can also change the logo to Unix's ;-)
[17:19:39] <Popeidol> just modify the name enough that it's no longer a trademark issue
[17:19:42] <Popeidol> 'soil-ant news'
[17:19:43] <matt_> NCommander, trademark is field-specific. For example, "that's hot" is trademarked by a restaurant franchise in the field of "restaurant and catering services", and in the field of apparel by Paris Hilton :)
[17:19:53] <crutchy> xlefay don't do that... you'll unleash the SCO beast
[17:20:08] <NCommander> matt_, I'm aware of that, but that didn't stop the lawsuit between Apple Records and Apple Computer
[17:20:17] <xlefay> matt_, but as I understand it, it can possibly be challenged in court, right?
[17:20:19] <ciri> xlefay, Matt_, if you were right the first things i did with 9.
[17:20:35] <xlefay> uh?
[17:20:43] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b *!*ciri@*.members.linode.com] by NCommander
[17:20:44] -!- ciri was kicked from #Soylent by NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [ciri]
[17:20:49] <NCommander> Not dealing with that bot :-P
[17:20:52] <xlefay> I was just about to bait it!
[17:20:55] <xlefay> Oh well
[17:20:58] <crutchy> aww
[17:21:42] <NCommander> matt_, its a legal landmine I really don't want to be sitting on
[17:21:45] <crutchy> you've stunted its growth
[17:21:59] <matt_> NCommander, and wrt MGM, frankly, I'm guessing they are pretty pleased with the meal-replacement "soylent" for reminding people of a movie that everyone had forgotten about :)
[17:22:04] <crutchy> do you need a trademark at all?
[17:22:16] <matt_> NCommander, they probably consider it free advertising.
[17:22:26] <NCommander> I despise the name personally, which is making me bias
[17:22:32] <mrcoolbp> heh
[17:22:47] <NCommander> Seriously, I don't like talking about the site to people in RL I hate it that much
[17:22:53] <xlefay> OK. Let's name ourselves BaconNews and help all the local farmers.
[17:23:07] <NCommander> When we're incorporated, if SN as a name sticks, I'm going to introduce myself as the founder of the XY Foundation
[17:23:08] <crutchy> i haven't mentioned it by name to anyone in RL
[17:23:11] <prospectacle> People unfamiliar with the reference think it sounds like "soiled"
[17:23:30] <crutchy> or they just think WTF?
[17:23:39] <xlefay> "We-have-a-sucky-name Foundation" hmm, taglinified!
[17:24:02] <prospectacle> "prospectacle and friends new discussion group"
[17:24:02] <crutchy> 8008135.org
[17:24:09] <xlefay> LOL
[17:24:14] <crutchy> sounds techie and dirty at the same time
[17:24:23] <xlefay> Pretty much
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[17:24:35] <mrcoolbp> hey mechanicjay
[17:24:37] <Popeidol> crutchy++
[17:24:37] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 59
[17:25:57] <mechanicjay> yo
[17:26:00] <xlefay> NCommander, matt_ personally I think we shouldn't even take the risk in itself. There are plenty of other possible names, surely, we must be able to list 10 that are free of TM's and such.
[17:26:14] <xlefay> mechanicjay, hey, long time! How are you?
[17:26:38] <NCommander> Holy cow
[17:26:42] <NCommander> I see dead people
[17:27:07] <xlefay> Uh? NCommander come back to us?
[17:27:09] <crutchy> that's just soylent green
[17:27:17] <crutchy> or mouldy soylent
[17:27:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: should we call Bruce Willis?
[17:27:30] <NCommander> first matt_ than mechanicjay
[17:27:33] <Popeidol> crutchy may have just come up with our moneymaker
[17:27:34] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:27:39] <Popeidol> branded 'soylent green' green
[17:27:41] <NCommander> next you know, robind and Barrabas will show up
[17:27:42] <NCommander> :-P
[17:27:48] <mrcoolbp> hah
[17:27:53] <xlefay> NCommander, you said the B-word
[17:28:03] * xlefay mumbles something..
[17:28:05] <mechanicjay> coming up for air briefly before ...holy crap it just keeps comeing
[17:28:08] <mechanicjay> brb
[17:28:22] <xlefay> I generally like the idea of having air around me, helps me breath
[17:28:27] <NCommander> You know what we need
[17:28:31] <mrcoolbp> ?
[17:28:40] <mrcoolbp> I do!?
[17:28:45] <NCommander> We need a picture of SYLNT on a live free or die license plate
[17:28:54] <xlefay> An artificial intelligence that can make all the decisions for us!
[17:29:03] * mrcoolbp tries to find a copy of photoshop
[17:29:11] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, LOL
[17:29:21] <Popeidol> NCommander: jumping over an opening bridge?
[17:29:22] <NCommander> http://www.acme.com
[17:29:23] <NCommander> Bingo
[17:29:29] <NCommander> Temporary logo
[17:29:41] * prospectacle notes "sylnt" probably isn't trademarked
[17:30:57] <prospectacle> If anyone is trying to load that jpg and gets a "must have local referrer" just go to the address bar and press enter
[17:32:55] * NCommander updates the site
[17:33:14] <NCommander> gah
[17:33:15] * NCommander resizes
[17:33:38] <prospectacle> lol
[17:34:19] <mrcoolbp> "SOYL"
[17:35:04] <prospectacle> Live free soyl. I think we can all agree to that
[17:35:51] <prospectacle> On an unrelated note. I move that one day, when karma is revisisted the following changes occur...
[17:35:59] <prospectacle> ...The ceiling is 100, and it decays by 1 a day
[17:36:26] <xlefay> (why should karma even decay.. people earned it, why lose it?)
[17:36:28] <Popeidol> live free, soyl young?
[17:36:34] <prospectacle> I shouldn't be on 50 if I just sit on my arse and do nothing for the site. On the other hand I should be higher than fifty as I have earned many points since reaching 50.
[17:37:09] <Popeidol> I appear to be on 50 despite having not commented for weeks
[17:37:15] <mrcoolbp> maybe decay from 100 - > 30 or so and stay there?
[17:37:18] <xlefay> NCommander, perfect! We're missing the 'T', I can live with that.
[17:37:38] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, yes, a minimum decay-floor would be good.
[17:38:02] <prospectacle> Popeidol, yes me too. Or at least, not commenting in any way that earned points.
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[17:38:24] <NCommander> let me fiddle with it more
[17:38:25] <NCommander> ugh
[17:38:28] <Popeidol> prospectacle: that makes sense to me, as long as it decays in an exponentiall way
[17:38:42] <Popeidol> prospectacle: so it takes a lot longer to decay from 10 to 5 than from 50 to 45
[17:38:43] * NCommander installs gimp
[17:39:29] <prospectacle> xlefay, firstly, it acts as an incentive scheme to be relatively active. Secondly, it mirrors real-life reputation a bit better. People who haven't done anything recently go down in status.
[17:39:54] <prospectacle> Popeidol, that makes sense.
[17:40:29] <mechanicjay> In my own defence I am in the chatrooms every day reading, just not participating.
[17:40:47] <xlefay> prospectacle, I'll give you those two, but it shouldn't decay quickly imo. People who have high karma generally earned it, let's say you go on vacation for two weeks, 1 point a day, is 14 points when you return, seems a bit excessive to me; I'd rather say, .5 point .. but I'm biased because I don't want to lose my points.
[17:40:49] <prospectacle> Popeidol, or simply proportional. ie it takes 100/karma days to go down by 1.
[17:41:01] <prospectacle> xlefay, you're right it shouldn't be too quick.
[17:41:20] <xlefay> I don't comment often though.. just too busy or don't have anything interesting to say
[17:41:33] <prospectacle> xlefay, maybe the formula I proposed two lines up, in reponse to Popeidol.
[17:41:42] <mechanicjay> Anyway, trying to catch my breath before the last hectic week of the semester. I'll be around much more once the semester is over.
[17:41:50] <xlefay> prospectacle, pretty nice yes
[17:42:03] <xlefay> mechanicjay, hehe alrighty, no worries ;)
[17:42:05] <mrcoolbp> mechanicjay: understood, studies shall come first
[17:42:29] <NCommander> New logo is up
[17:42:30] <NCommander> :-)
[17:42:43] <mechanicjay> NCommander: NICE!
[17:42:53] <xlefay> Oh my.. it has a T now too!
[17:42:53] <prospectacle> I just got a header, too
[17:42:59] * xlefay wishes it was made out of chocolate...
[17:42:59] <mechanicjay> looks a little incongruous with the red theme though
[17:43:03] <NCommander> LIVE FREE OR DIE!
[17:43:05] <xlefay> I'm still hungdry dammit
[17:43:07] <xlefay> hungry*
[17:43:11] <NCommander> mechanicjay, its temporary, I'll put it back to stock tomorrow
[17:43:14] <xlefay> mechanicjay, true I was thinking the same
[17:43:24] <mechanicjay> NCommander: ---I just hit the site and it tells me I'm logged in as you....
[17:43:46] <mechanicjay> NCommander: that can't be right hang on
[17:43:46] <xlefay> NCommander, please.. don't return the stock, just put the logo from the wiki if you must..
[17:44:00] <xlefay> mechanicjay, where you viewing NCommander's profile?
[17:44:11] <mechanicjay> no
[17:44:15] <xlefay> ah k
[17:44:30] <prospectacle> mechanicjay, I had the same thing there for a second
[17:44:40] <mechanicjay> after logging out multiple times, I'm now AC again
[17:44:58] <mechanicjay> I'm guessing something was stuck in cache
[17:45:38] <mechanicjay> Yeah, no was definitely showing logged in as NCommander, not any more though.
[17:45:52] <prospectacle> It's a bit cynical, but (slowly) decaying karma would make people post more often.
[17:46:05] <prospectacle> Also you should get karma for a submitted story.
[17:46:29] <xlefay> prospectacle, you do, 3 points iirc
[17:46:37] <NCommander> mechanicjay, happens to varnish occassionally if it gets restarted
[17:46:47] <NCommander> Whoever hits it first causes the page to cache as that user
[17:46:52] <prospectacle> xlefay, oh ok, I didn't know that. in that case the ceiling should be higher.
[17:47:00] <prospectacle> 50 is pretty easy to get
[17:47:02] <NCommander> I must have refreshed it first hence why people showed logged in as me
[17:47:02] <xlefay> Substantially
[17:47:12] <mechanicjay> prospectacle: No, you're right. I was commenting a whole lot of insightful stuff a push to get to 50, I wish I could go higher or had to work to maintain it.
[17:47:44] <NCommander> mechanicjay, its coming
[17:48:19] <prospectacle> Another problem with a low ceiling is it reveals bugs in the system. e.g. I once got modded up 3 times then down once (later) on the same post. the result once I went down 1 point ( to 49). as I was at 50 to begin with.
[17:48:43] <prospectacle> in other words the first three didn't count, but the last one did.
[17:49:32] <prospectacle> btw cool new logo
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[17:50:48] <crutchy> prospectacle: sylnt++
[17:51:05] <crutchy> its also a domain we already have, right?
[17:51:09] <crutchy> and use
[17:51:40] <prospectacle> seems like it. I'm using chat.sylnt.us right now
[17:51:45] <NCommander> Live free or die
[17:51:47] <prospectacle> web apps ftw
[17:51:52] <NCommander> Maybe we should keep that as the slogan
[17:52:16] <prospectacle> it's pretty catchy.
[17:52:46] <prospectacle> "New Hampshire Nerdy News and Notices Network"
[17:53:23] <crutchy> sylnt: should you leave now... turd?
[17:53:37] <crutchy> yeah i got nuthin @ 2am
[17:53:40] <prospectacle> what?
[17:53:42] <prospectacle> lol
[17:53:52] <prospectacle> yeah I should sleep, too
[17:53:53] <crutchy> trying to make something of sylnt
[17:54:45] <prospectacle> sylnt news, the silent news (because it's text-based, get it, ha ha)
[17:55:08] <crutchy> with monospace fonts... yes yes
[17:55:13] <crutchy> :-P
[17:55:21] <matt_> NCommander, sorry, "Live free or die" is trademarked by American Barrels LLC in the field of "Bourbon whisky" ;-)
[17:55:29] <xlefay> How about 'newsnews'? ;-)
[17:55:54] <NCommander> matt_, seriously? How can NH use it as a slogan then?
[17:55:57] <xlefay> It's effective AND as a bonus, the department of redundancy will improve!
[17:56:03] <crutchy> 8008135 it is then :-P
[17:56:13] <xlefay> s/improve/approve/
[17:56:13] <SedBot> <xlefay> It's effective AND as a bonus, the department of redundancy will approve!
[17:56:25] <crutchy> lol
[17:56:26] <matt_> NCommander, I guess NH is ok, as long as they don't start selling whisky...
[17:56:30] <Landon> syltn: So You Like To News?
[17:56:37] <Landon> oh I'm an idiot
[17:56:39] <Landon> I typod
[17:56:40] <crutchy> fuck me that's good
[17:56:48] <Landon> disregard, typo :(
[17:57:00] <NCommander> Landon, what do you think of the new logo/
[17:57:04] <crutchy> so you like news taco
[17:57:06] <Landon> So You Like News, [too?,techie?]
[17:57:14] <Landon> haha
[17:57:15] <Landon> nice
[17:57:17] <Landon> a bit cheesy
[17:57:34] <Landon> in the way web construction gifs are
[17:57:48] <crutchy> n = news
[17:57:51] <NCommander> Landon, its temporary, I'll take it down tomorrow
[17:57:56] <crutchy> i'm sure we could make something of the rest
[17:58:02] <NCommander> Landon, but I wanted to celebrate knowing where we were going to incorporate
[17:58:13] <crutchy> t = today maybe?
[17:58:18] <Popeidol> hang on a second
[17:58:18] <Landon> anyone in NH want to nab a SYLNT license plate?
[17:58:21] <Landon> ;
[17:58:22] <crutchy> sylnt = ..... news today?
[17:58:28] <Popeidol> you mean new hampshire actually has that on license plates?
[17:58:31] <Popeidol> 'live free or die'?
[17:58:33] <NCommander> Popeidol, yeah
[17:58:38] <Landon> yeah there's a guy with the UNIX license plate
[17:58:40] <Popeidol> thats...a statement
[17:58:42] <NCommander> maddog
[17:58:52] <NCommander> Popeidol, says a lot aboutt he place
[17:58:52] <crutchy> surprised sco didn't go chasing after him
[17:59:06] <NCommander> crutchy, maddog has had that plate since before SCO existed as a company
[17:59:15] <Popeidol> NCommander: it makes me like it, but also want to wear some kind of armour
[17:59:16] <crutchy> why would that stop them lol
[17:59:33] <NCommander> Popeidol, http://www.frontporchrepublic.com
[17:59:39] <NCommander> Blown up picture
[17:59:48] <NCommander> Its one of my favorite license plates in the country
[18:00:01] * NCommander liked his Crater Lake - Oregon License Plates that I gave up with my truck
[18:00:02] <crutchy> sylnt - s... y... latest news today
[18:00:08] <NCommander> As well Alaska, The Last Frontier
[18:00:17] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Wanted: 600,000 Skilled Manual Laborers - http://sylnt.us - thinking-about-switching-careers
[18:00:42] <prospectacle> see your leet news today
[18:00:42] <Popeidol> it's definitely better than most license plates
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[18:00:48] <NCommander> mrcool|breakfast, http://soylentnews.org
[18:00:58] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: LIVE FREE OR DIE! | https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
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[18:02:10] <NCommander> n1, what do you think of the new site logo + slogan
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[18:02:37] <mrcool|breakfast> NCommander: you're moving next week!?
[18:02:45] mrcool|breakfast is now known as mrcoolbp
[18:02:55] <NCommander> mrcool|breakfast, sorry, but I had a few committments that made it a bit harder to move sooner
[18:02:56] <n1> like the new slogan. where's the logo?
[18:03:02] <NCommander> n1, ctrl-f5
[18:03:18] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'll probably be there on Tuesday, but wanted to hedge my bets
[18:03:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> n1 - it switched from the "candy bar" to a NH license plate.
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[18:04:10] <Popeidol> surely it should be 'live free and/or die'
[18:04:21] <NCommander> Popeidol, its a quote actually
[18:04:40] <prospectacle> (live free) || (die)
[18:05:03] <prospectacle> live_free() || die()
[18:05:04] <NCommander> "Live Free Or Die: Death Is Not The Worst Of Evils"
[18:05:05] <n1> the logo is ok, not a permanent style i assume?
[18:05:13] <NCommander> n1, we'll have the candy bar back tomorrow
[18:05:19] <prospectacle> night all, vive la revolution
[18:05:25] <n1> it works for that
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[18:05:48] <crutchy> NCommander: sounds like the motto of a suicide cult
[18:05:55] <xlefay> lOL
[18:05:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Popeidol: live(free) or die; // is that proper Perl?
[18:06:01] * NCommander beats crutchy with a chunk of granite
[18:06:05] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[18:06:05] <deadbeef> Added quote 157
[18:06:12] <Cyprus> I'm not sure anything is "proper" perl
[18:06:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's a perfectly eclectic rubbish lister.
[18:06:39] <Cyprus> unless it's maybe 1 giant regex
[18:06:44] <Popeidol> I thought perl was an elaborate joke on me by compsci guys
[18:06:54] <Popeidol> you're saying it actually exists?
[18:06:59] <xlefay> crutchy, at least you can use the license plate to protect yourself!
[18:06:59] <Cyprus> in disclosure, I'm a perl programmer =P
[18:07:01] <NCommander> Popeidol, and slash is written in it
[18:07:08] <NCommander> Cyprus, JOIN THE DEV TEAM!
[18:07:11] * NCommander tackles Cyprus
[18:07:15] <Popeidol> wait, slash isn't an even more elaborate joke?
[18:07:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> I actually know someone who is professionally employed by Mozilla as a Perl programmer.
[18:07:25] <crutchy> xlefay, not from a chunk of granite lol
[18:07:28] * Cyprus pushes NCommmander off of him
[18:07:36] <crutchy> unless its a really small one
[18:07:50] <xlefay> crutchy, of course it well.. NCommander wouldn't dare risk hurting the license plate
[18:08:23] <crutchy> true... though i might have one that says "ncommander... cos mcommander was taken"
[18:08:24] * NCommander refuses to let go of Cyprus
[18:08:28] <Cyprus> ewwww
[18:08:28] <NCommander> GIVE ME YOUR PERL KNOWLEDGE
[18:08:35] <Cyprus> someone get this NC off of me!
[18:08:37] <Popeidol> I'll chip in to get an actual license plate made up
[18:09:18] <NCommander> Popeidol, fuck, I'll register it on my car
[18:09:28] <NCommander> Popeidol, you can chip in to help me buy a car :-)
[18:09:32] <xlefay> Cyprus, I'm afraid your own your own there..
[18:09:33] <Popeidol> NCommander: if somebody already owns it, is it awkward to have it on the website?
[18:09:38] <Cyprus> we've been over this, I barely have a life as it is with my real job
[18:09:52] <NCommander> Cyprus, call fork(), problem solved
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[18:10:02] <Cyprus> I only fork my wife, and her friends
[18:10:17] <Blackmoore> somebody grab that!
[18:10:19] <Cyprus> also, I'm not thread safe
[18:10:30] <xlefay> oh shiat
[18:10:36] <xlefay> Blackmoore, that was perfect!
[18:10:43] <Cyprus> had your chance =P
[18:11:19] * NCommander is going to go shave his head this weekend
[18:11:28] <NCommander> Friend of mine's daughter has cancer :-/
[18:11:34] <mrcoolbp> = /
[18:11:36] <Cyprus> =/
[18:11:37] <NCommander> My old fire company is shaving their heads
[18:11:44] <NCommander> I'm driving to rochester, and shall be BALD
[18:12:05] <Popeidol> fire company?
[18:12:10] <Popeidol> ...you made fire?
[18:12:12] <mrcoolbp> he was a firefighter
[18:12:20] <crutchy> cypress... maybe your wife's friends weren't thread-safe either :-P
[18:12:37] * mrcoolbp goes to work on some stuff
[18:12:56] <Cyprus> they may not be thread safe, but they work well as a shared pool =P
[18:13:07] <Blackmoore> everyone loves a good flamethrower
[18:13:14] <Popeidol> Cyprus++
[18:13:14] <deadbeef> karma - cyprus: 4
[18:13:31] <crutchy> as long as they are synchronized when called
[18:19:26] <NCommander> Ok
[18:19:30] <NCommander> got the maple leaf booked
[18:22:45] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck.
[18:24:32] <NCommander> xlefay, thanks
[18:24:38] * NCommander rebounds on his efforts to !smoke
[18:29:58] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: two things, curious about the "Ask Soylent" proposal you had, AND we need to update some of the moderator info since a few things changed
[18:30:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, knew the second
[18:30:16] <mrcoolbp> k
[18:30:24] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, so, my biggest issue with the traditional /. Q&As was ... they kinda sucked
[18:30:30] <Cyprus> rofl
[18:30:35] <Cyprus> Whale biologist
[18:30:36] <NCommander> I never found they interested in the slightest
[18:30:38] <n1> lol
[18:31:57] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: agreed, so what's the new idea?
[18:33:10] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, what I'd like to do is solicate some questions from the community as usual, then do a face-to-face interview with the interviewee so we can follow up with interesting conversations or comment, then post the video + transcription
[18:33:35] <TK> solicit?
[18:33:41] <NCommander> *solicit
[18:33:54] <NCommander> and schedule the meeting at a given time so those who would be interested can hang out in the chat and perhaps post comments in realtime
[18:34:13] <mrcoolbp> cool
[18:34:44] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: NCommander's outlining his "Soylinterview" plan here
[18:35:01] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, I'm reading. I think this in itself is a long term plan.
[18:35:16] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: on the email then, please advise = )
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[18:36:16] <xlefay> Which e-mail are we referring to now?
[18:36:53] <xlefay> The e-mail to XYZ organization we drafted the other day?
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[18:37:30] <xlefay> Wait, face-to-face does this mean Skype or whatever? Or is this physically, face to face (which I assumed)..
[18:37:58] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: did you have a chance to grab some kind of unique pageview stats we can brag about?
[18:38:12] <xlefay> If it's via Skype or whatever, this can work quite easily and I'm all for it.
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[18:41:55] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, not really, since I'm not sure I struct SN's number
[18:42:16] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I realize this is a lot more work, but frankly, I don't want to be Slashview 2.0
[18:43:36] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: leave out the stats then?
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[18:50:05] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, i can give yout he IPID count, but its questionable at best ...
[18:50:24] <mrcoolbp> nah it's fine
[18:50:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: last thing for now, I was planning on adding the TOR links to the "About" page as well, I can update the MOD doc with the new paramaters and we could push them both out together. I was hoping to here from LaminatorX on the FAQ.shtml but he hasn't returned my email, so not sure about that one
[18:50:52] <mrcoolbp> *hear*
[18:52:42] <mrcoolbp> NCommander I'm assuming you meant "10KB worth of notes" (/me is editing the Incorp. story)
[18:52:56] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, 10k words
[18:53:01] <mrcoolbp> ah
[18:53:12] * NCommander is bloody fried but wants to get this page cleaned up
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[19:06:31] <mrcoolbp> NCommander:
[19:06:49] <mrcoolbp> "The incorporation document" it's more of a "location research" doc
[19:07:17] * mrcoolbp adds the NH license plate image to wiki
[19:08:05] <mrcoolbp> I'd expect the "Incorp Doc" to explain the bylaws in some what, but I could be splitting hairs.
[19:08:21] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, well, it was supposed to be other people would write these but no one took me up ont that
[19:08:27] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, feel free to edit or reword, I'm dead
[19:08:31] <NCommander> I'm dropped my brain droppings
[19:08:34] <mrcoolbp> cool, almost done then
[19:08:57] <crutchy> !grab NCommander
[19:08:57] <deadbeef> Added quote 158
[19:10:09] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, anything you're depwaiting on me for?
[19:10:17] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: proofread, added in your license photo. You can run that story whenever
[19:10:36] <mrcoolbp> no NCommander: you're dismissed for now
[19:10:55] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm debating if I should kick it out now
[19:10:56] * mrcoolbp needs to run some errands
[19:11:09] <mrcoolbp> let me get a san check on it
[19:11:26] * NCommander shuffles the queue
[19:12:11] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - iOS vs Android in the Marketplace - http://sylnt.us - share-the-love
[19:12:37] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: geting a final review, 2 minutes
[19:13:29] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I can't wait till someone says "why the US???" and we what them with something large
[19:14:57] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, graet. I feel like clobbering time :-)
[19:15:30] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: Woods points out the title (though maybe funny if you get the reference) is wonky
[19:15:42] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, hrm
[19:15:42] <xlefay> (yeah, I don't get it either)
[19:16:16] <mrcoolbp> also I'd like to link to the previous post regarding this
[19:16:20] * mrcoolbp searches for that
[19:17:33] <mrcoolbp> found it
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[19:26:52] <mrcoolbp> okay, I gotta run some errands, back in a few hours people
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[19:30:06] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, is it good to go?
[19:30:36] <mrcoolbp> yup, just trying to fix some more "fixmes" on the wiki, go for it though
[19:31:49] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its live
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[19:35:42] * NCommander hands Konomi a piece of granite
[19:35:45] <NCommander> LIVE FREE OR DIE!
[19:36:04] <mrcoolbp> fixmes fixed
[19:36:15] <mrcoolbp> heh
[19:36:26] <mrcoolbp> okay, gotta run!!
[19:36:28] <mrcoolbp> later
[19:36:38] mrcoolbp is now known as mrcool|afk
[19:39:20] <Blackmoore> MM. NCommander you need to get some of my friend's micro brew when you're in NH
[19:39:36] * NCommander is going to get his head shaved on Sunday for a friend
[19:39:37] <NCommander> yay
[19:39:38] <Blackmoore> http://outhaus-ales.tumblr.com
[19:39:56] <NCommander> mrcool|afk, .... gah
[19:40:03] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[19:40:05] <mrcool|afk> NCommander: http://soylentnews.org
[19:40:07] * NCommander dives out a window
[19:40:10] <mrcool|afk> lol
[19:40:14] <mrcool|afk> same time
[19:40:43] <mrcool|afk> haha, it's an olive branch sir
[19:40:51] <mrcool|afk> okay really, I gotta run!!
[19:40:54] * mrcool|afk runs
[19:40:55] <NCommander> cya
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[19:41:03] <crutchy> NCommander: i do hope for your safety you opened the window before jumping out
[19:41:20] <NCommander> explains all the glass in my brain now
[19:41:27] <Cyprus> won't someone think of the windows...
[19:41:33] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Incorporation Plan (How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love New Hampshire) - http://sylnt.us - live-free-or-die
[19:41:51] <xlefay> LOL
[19:44:02] <crutchy> sedbot: s/How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love/A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To /
[19:44:25] <crutchy> SedBot: s/How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love/A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To /
[19:44:36] <crutchy> pfffftt
[19:45:05] <mechanicjay> crutchy: That's one of the best sedbot's I've seen yet -- even if it didn't work.
[19:45:39] <stderr> deadbeef: s/How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love/A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To/
[19:45:39] <SedBot> <stderr> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Incorporation Plan (A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To New Hampshire) - http://sylnt.us - live-free-or-die
[19:45:46] <stderr> TADA!!!
[19:45:55] <crutchy> lol
[19:46:00] <Blackmoore> lol
[19:46:08] <crutchy> 3.45am isn't a good time to be trying to do anything
[19:46:58] <stderr> Depends on your sleep pattern.
[19:47:49] <stderr> Looking at some of my source files, I get a lot of good ideas around that time.
[19:47:54] <crutchy> i'm using a php eval... that's how bad it is :-P
[19:48:21] <stderr> crutchy: s/a php eval/PHP/
[19:48:21] <SedBot> <stderr> <crutchy> i'm using PHP... that's how bad it is :-P
[19:48:29] <crutchy> lol
[19:48:35] <stderr> Sounds pretty bad... :-)
[19:48:47] <xlefay> SedBot, s/\<crutchy\>//
[19:48:47] <SedBot> <xlefay> <SedBot> <stderr> <> i'm using PHP... that's how bad it is :-P
[19:48:50] <xlefay> dammit
[19:48:54] <xlefay> I always get that wrong
[19:48:56] <xlefay> oh well.
[19:49:08] <crutchy> i burned out poor xlefay's eyeses when i showed him a code snippet
[19:49:18] <xlefay> stderr, how's you? ;)
[19:50:05] <stderr> Hmm... Has anyone ever made a study of "local time" vs. "number of code edits"?
[19:50:15] <stderr> xlefay: Fine. You?
[19:50:21] * arti o.o
[19:50:27] <xlefay> I'm ok, thanks :)
[19:50:33] * xlefay gets back to work
[19:50:53] <xlefay> arti, NCommander banned yo bot.. send it into his PM!
[19:51:05] <crutchy> hahahaha
[19:51:06] <crutchy> yes
[19:51:26] <xlefay> Alternatively, I can be bribed.
[19:51:31] <crutchy> xlefay, you could make it into a service, no?
[19:51:36] <xlefay> rofl
[19:51:38] <stderr> Maybe not number of code edits, cause that doesn't say anything about whether it was a good or bad edit. Maybe when the files was last modified? Assuming you stop working, when stuff works.
[19:52:24] <arti> why, did he start talking to it again?
[19:52:29] <xlefay> haha
[19:52:31] <xlefay> yea
[19:52:37] <crutchy> even better... it started talking to him
[19:53:14] <arti> that bot rocks
[19:53:15] <stderr> Unprovoked? Is it self-aware?
[19:53:15] <crutchy> rename it skynet arti
[19:53:22] <crutchy> i think so
[19:53:29] <arti> oh no, it has some clever things
[19:53:34] <crutchy> i think it likes NCommander
[19:53:39] <xlefay> unfortunately, that nickname is already taken :~/
[19:53:58] <arti> it'll drop a line in randomly every 100 lines or so
[19:54:09] <xlefay> arti, if you want the nick.. "Skynet" lemme know ;-)
[19:54:10] <arti> it has a few key words that will activate it as well
[19:54:14] * crutchy wonders whether NCommander received any sexts from ciri
[19:55:21] <NCommander> Huh, 10 comments and nothing negative
[19:55:26] * NCommander wonders where all the trolls are
[19:55:38] <arti> i could set it up
[19:55:40] * NCommander notes poutine disappeared after I ate a plate of poutine in Canada
[19:55:51] <arti> NCommander: it relocated to your stomach
[19:55:51] <xlefay> You ate him? Oh god.
[19:56:04] <NCommander> xlefay, it seemed like the easy solution
[19:56:07] <arti> ncommander, thanks for the laughs yesterday
[19:56:19] <xlefay> hahaha
[19:56:25] <arti> screenshot worthy
[19:56:38] <arti> i've made "flatlines" before
[19:56:44] <NCommander> arti, ... what did I say? And will it bite me in the ass 10 years from now?
[19:56:49] <arti> where i use all the dialog from a person and seed the brain with that
[19:57:32] <arti> you were polite and hit up my bot, welcoming to the channel and also, linode.
[19:57:42] <crutchy> ciri... is people!
[19:57:57] <crutchy> ciri... is people!
[19:58:00] <xlefay> hahaa
[19:58:04] <crutchy> spread the word
[19:58:37] <NCommander> groan
[19:58:54] <NCommander> arti, you need to teach the bot to go for extra credit and make me doubt that I'm human
[20:00:54] <arti> i could restrict the way it generates sentences
[20:00:59] <arti> so they're more coherent
[20:01:05] <arti> but i like the randomness
[20:01:12] <arti> it spits out some real gems
[20:05:58] <Blackmoore> i dont have a bad think to say about it. NH is a fine place to live, and the courts there arent a complete mess.
[20:06:34] <michealpwalls> That was a good movie!
[20:06:35] <Blackmoore> *was thinking this morning that NYC should not be it's own state. it should be its own country*
[20:06:42] <michealpwalls> "How I learned to love the bomb", or something along those lines
[20:07:13] <crutchy> NCommander: it likes you
[20:07:38] <Cyprus> Major Kong
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[20:11:55] * Cyprus blinks
[20:11:56] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Incorporation Plan Or How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love New Hampshire - http://sylnt.us - live-free-or-die
[20:12:01] <Cyprus> oh -b
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[20:32:02] mrcool|afk is now known as mrcoolbp
[20:35:33] <michealpwalls> Hey this is so handy when I'm on Windows hehe: http://www.quickdiff.com
[20:35:39] <michealpwalls> wooO diff at me fingertips! :D
[20:38:06] <michealpwalls> Can we donate to SoylentNews? Would it be worth it?
[20:39:00] <michealpwalls> I always wonder how practical donation mechanisms are, I mean. Do they turn into useable amounts of money? (Say, if 1 person donates $5 for entire month, I think the mechanism itself would exceed that and make it useless)
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[20:40:18] <n1> From my understanding, there is no possibility of donations at least until the non-profit incorporation.
[20:41:17] <mrcoolbp> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:43:11] <xlefay> That's not entirely true, people can essentially donate to someone directly, but there are some disadvantages to do so, that's why it won't be acceptable till the incorporation from what I gathered.
[20:43:23] <michealpwalls> Hrmm, yea, how does WWF work?
[20:43:28] <michealpwalls> Seriously, not sarcasm ^
[20:43:44] <michealpwalls> Righto, that makes sense though.
[20:43:49] <NCommander> michealpwalls, WWF is a 501(c)(3) so they can get grants, and donations are tax deductable
[20:44:06] <NCommander> When I worked in EMS/Fire, a huge source of income were people using us a tax writeoffs
[20:44:13] <michealpwalls> If big corporations can put all their financials in other country's banks, why can't Soylent? Screw not-for-profit, just stop paying taxes! (drunk_)
[20:44:20] <Blackmoore> and under the law we cant donate to the organization untill it has papers.
[20:44:28] <michealpwalls> Ah! I see, I see
[20:44:30] <NCommander> There are some reasons I'm hestiant however to go for 501(c)(3)
[20:44:40] <michealpwalls> Damn guvment! Always trying complicating things :(
[20:44:43] <NCommander> Because it means we give up the right to political representation
[20:44:56] <michealpwalls> Hrmm! So SoylentNews can't be a super PAC?!
[20:45:01] <Blackmoore> that's interesting
[20:45:10] <michealpwalls> Steven Colbert taught me all about those. We should form one :D
[20:45:19] <Blackmoore> can we set up as a superPAC?
[20:45:39] <NCommander> those are 501(c)(4)s
[20:45:42] <Blackmoore> *googling*
[20:46:07] <NCommander> We won't qualify as our primary purpose isn't the promotion of specific legalisation
[20:47:09] <chromas> The legalization of soylent muffins
[20:47:11] <Landon> LEGALIZE SOYLENT
[20:47:17] <chromas> "Live free or die soylent"
[20:48:20] <Blackmoore> http://en.wikipedia.org
[20:49:07] <Blackmoore> michealpwalls: we'll just have to setup a SuperPAC on the side - since we arent on the board for soylent
[20:51:26] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Russia's President Craves His Own Internet - http://sylnt.us - why-should-any-country-control-it
[20:53:10] <Blackmoore> maybe we can get Colbert to help promote it. :)
[20:54:30] <NCommander> I didn't know about the Colbert SuperPAC
[20:54:40] <NCommander> 501(c)(4)'s look like an epic loophole in the taxcode
[20:55:20] <weeds> NCommander: SO where do I send your birthday present?
[20:56:05] <NCommander> weeds, how'd you know my b-day is coming up?
[20:56:29] <weeds> I um, well, internet, cia, you know...
[20:57:25] <michealpwalls> Oh man, LOL! Who puts a friggin' period in there name, like C'MON!
[20:57:25] <arti> "more importantly, you're out of milk"
[20:57:27] <michealpwalls> LOL
[20:57:36] <michealpwalls> Had to manually fix somebody's account. Damn periods!
[20:58:22] <michealpwalls> It was supposed to be Firstname.Lastname and the script will split it at the period to isolate first/last and then add @GeorgianCollege.ca to complete the email. Well apparently I didn't think of people with "St." in their names LMAO!
[20:59:01] <xlefay> so isolate the last period ;-)
[20:59:26] <michealpwalls> mm, I suppose. I could just outright ban all period-people.
[20:59:30] <weeds> NCommander: about that birthday...
[20:59:32] <michealpwalls> "Listen, we dont' liek your kind here!"
[21:01:14] <michealpwalls> "His Own Internet" haha. Could we say that China "Has their own internet", since they effectively control the content ("Great Firewall of China")
[21:01:37] <michealpwalls> Or does Putin seriously want to unhook and create their own private network? That'd be retarded LOL
[21:02:41] <chromas> That way they don't have to switch to IPv6
[21:02:47] <michealpwalls> haha!
[21:02:51] <michealpwalls> That's brilliant!
[21:04:21] <xlefay> Indeed. I want my own internets now, good bye world! I'll see ya when I see you. (nah, but I am however leaving to take a break, take care!)
[21:04:26] <michealpwalls> For years and years now, I've had a weird feeling that we're living in a paradox of sorts. Technology surged way passed government institutions/infrastructure. Probably when our kids are our age, they wont have access to a global, uncensored "internet" like we do. It will be extremely censored and retardedly expensive (Pay-per-use billing and content access based on monthly subscription package,
[21:04:26] <michealpwalls> just like your Cable TV.)
[21:04:35] <michealpwalls> More and more it seems like my crazy idea might be true :(
[21:04:49] <michealpwalls> lol xlefay. Take care! :)
[21:06:19] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I don't think that's going to happen. The internet is different than one country, if they globally start blocking things that actually affect a major group from various countries, I'd bet, the fall out won't be pretty. That's just regarding the censorship.
[21:06:45] <xlefay> Of course, we can always take Anonymous' stand on it, and censor stuff because we don't want to be censored.. not sure how that worked out for them tho.
[21:07:04] * xlefay leaves now ;-)
[21:07:06] <xlefay> take care
[21:08:34] <Cyprus> xlefay, china disagrees
[21:08:36] <michealpwalls> LOL xlefay!
[21:08:53] <michealpwalls> Yea Anonymous is just retarded. I always pegged that "crowd" as a big honeypot.
[21:09:36] <Cyprus> michealpwalls: s/honeypot/lynch mob/
[21:09:36] <SedBot> <Cyprus> <michealpwalls> Yea Anonymous is just retarded. I always pegged that "crowd" as a big lynch mob.
[21:09:51] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[21:10:30] <michealpwalls> They present the absolutely *perfect* excuse for modern "democratic" governments to truely censor the internet, though... Think about it. *somebody* has to "protect us" from Anonymous... Cyber "terrorists" and etc.
[21:12:01] <xlefay> ok, I had to change a setting for xbmc so I was fortunate to see your reply Cyprus, anyway. People living in China have good reasons to be afraid. Essentially, you & I, we can actually object to those things, evade them without risking imprisonment or w/e, people in China not so much (unless I missed something); if we enter the stage where guns are put to our heads, then.. yes, I don't think people will try to stand up against it, but if thing
[21:12:03] <xlefay> s stay the way they are (which admittedly, aren't great), there's still hope
[21:13:03] <xlefay> _granted; I'm putting it broadly, but you get the general thought_
[21:14:27] <xlefay> Although.. I will say, it's falling further and further, the US having net neutrality issues; my country was recently forced (by our lovely EU) to re-interpret our own fucking law regarding downloading copyrighted materials... so I suppose, things aren't looking up either :/
[21:15:03] <xlefay> michealpwalls, .. they fight against censorship by trying to censorship sites saying "they're protesting"; kinda self defeating imo
[21:15:18] <xlefay> .. ugh, I was going to take a break, oh well..
[21:16:12] <NCommander> xlefay, ugh, please don't remind me abotu net neutrality
[21:16:14] <NCommander> *twich*
[21:16:27] <Cyprus> yeah, i'm really unhappy the way the FCC is going
[21:16:36] <Cyprus> I thought Michael Powell was bad
[21:17:00] <NCommander> i once filed a complaint with the FCC when I was 18
[21:17:01] <xlefay> I'm sorry. It's a stupid situation.. and it does appear governments are applying more restrictions gradually. So although I'm hoping and thinking wishfully.. I am afraid michealpwalls might be right there :/
[21:17:02] <michealpwalls> Yea
[21:17:10] <NCommander> I got a handwritten reply roughly 2 years later detailing how I was wrong
[21:17:15] <michealpwalls> Canada's net neutrality died first. At least the U.S actually put up a fucking fight...
[21:17:28] <NCommander> michealpwalls, the states might intervene
[21:17:38] <Cyprus> We didn't put up a fight, the guy before did
[21:17:39] <NCommander> Depending on the ISP
[21:17:47] <Cyprus> the states can't intervene
[21:17:55] <xlefay> NCommander, s/ISP/money involved./
[21:17:56] <SedBot> <xlefay> <NCommander> Depending on the money involved.
[21:18:42] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:19:01] <michealpwalls> NCommander: Well, that's what you get for having an opinion! Pfft..
[21:19:02] <michealpwalls> :)
[21:19:09] <arti> you guys see this? http://www.princeton.edu
[21:19:17] <arti> sorry for the ugliness
[21:19:51] <NCommander> Cyprus, yeah they can; quite a few ISPs are regional, as well can regulate any business within their state
[21:19:52] <xlefay> I'm afraid to open things arti send.. before you know it' there's some sort of adult toy on your screen right before your mum walks into the room.. awkward
[21:20:12] <arti> it's a personal massager
[21:20:20] <Cyprus> ncommander: 96 telecom act superceeds most of the authority
[21:20:31] <NCommander> Cyprus, ... d'oh
[21:20:46] <Cyprus> as does its reworking in the 2000's
[21:21:03] <NCommander> We'll see what happens
[21:21:06] <michealpwalls> "The Bechdel test" *rolls eyes*
[21:21:09] <NCommander> Perhaps the SOPA protests need a repeat
[21:21:10] <michealpwalls> What a fucking load a poppycock...
[21:21:20] <Cyprus> the FCC is the regulating authority, that was the whole point of that act
[21:21:42] <Cyprus> it took out the regional public service commisions
[21:21:45] <xlefay> arti, she didn't buy that.. at least, now I know how to make her leave my room as soon as she enters.. ;')
[21:22:39] <Cyprus> they have some authority when it comes to right of ways and franchise agreements, but they go the other direction if anything
[21:22:45] <xlefay> I kept saying "That link was posted, I just clicked it!" .. no no, she didn't it.. that was extremely awkward
[21:22:55] <Cyprus> Muni fiber projects have some hope, but they're being hunted by the ILECS
[21:23:03] <arti> your search history betrays you
[21:23:47] <xlefay> lol
[21:23:48] <arti> Infamous Legion of Electoral College Superstars
[21:23:48] <chromas> That's why you use bing for pr0n search
[21:23:53] <NCommander> "To celebrate this milestone, I've temporarily changed the site logo and slogan to reflect our status."
[21:23:53] <NCommander> Please tell me you are going to get this custom plate to put on the back of some 70's Pinto. I'll donate just for that.
[21:24:00] <NCommander> Anyone want to chip in for me to buy a Pinto?
[21:24:07] <michealpwalls> "ITAR-TASS is reporting that Russian Bloggers are about to be required to register with the state and follow news outlet laws."
[21:24:10] <michealpwalls> hah.. Exactly my point :O
[21:24:11] <arti> is this a company car
[21:24:13] <michealpwalls> That's fucky
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[21:24:22] <NCommander> Well, there's the slashdot PT cruiser
[21:24:26] <NCommander> We could have the Soylent Pinto
[21:24:28] <Subsentient> What's with the custom logo NCommander ?
[21:24:30] <arti> ugh pt cruisers
[21:24:34] <NCommander> Subsentient, check the second article
[21:24:37] <Cyprus> I'd prefer a Soylent Ecto1
[21:24:45] <arti> "how can we minimize interior space? oh i know!"
[21:24:54] <xlefay> We're a responsible bunch.. "Soylent S"
[21:24:57] <NCommander> Subsentient, Live Free Or Die
[21:25:02] <arti> xlefay, or SS for short
[21:25:04] <xlefay> Although.., that, shortname...
[21:25:11] <Subsentient> NCommander: the russia one?
[21:25:11] <xlefay> arti, haha :P
[21:25:12] <michealpwalls> "Fewer college students use tablets; may be a sign that the device doesn't boost productivity." -- LOL "boost" productivity? You can't even *be* productive on a stupid Tablet.
[21:25:13] <NCommander> xlefay, can't drive across two contients with an electric car
[21:25:16] <NCommander> Subsentient, third one :-P
[21:25:17] * arti salutes
[21:25:19] <arti> o/
[21:25:19] <NCommander> Subsentient, I'm celebrating
[21:25:52] <xlefay> NCommander, eh, I did say, we're responsible.. you'll be saving energy and oils!
[21:26:03] <arti> whale oil
[21:26:05] <xlefay> gasoline I guess
[21:26:08] <arti> how is everyone today btw
[21:26:17] <NCommander> arti, living free
[21:26:18] <michealpwalls> I'm good!
[21:26:32] <michealpwalls> Was close to dying of nervousness earlier, but all fine now :D
[21:26:34] <Subsentient> ah, New Hampshire's state motto
[21:26:39] <xlefay> arti, I might have landed a job.. I'll know more soon, so I'm doing a bit better, thank you ;)
[21:26:41] <xlefay> How are you?
[21:26:51] <michealpwalls> Ohhhh congrats, xlefay! (hifive)
[21:26:55] <arti> very cool! i didn't know the adult industry was hiring
[21:26:56] <NCommander> Subsentient, yup
[21:27:04] <michealpwalls> haha!
[21:27:06] <NCommander> arti, they must have low standards.
[21:27:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, might have is the clue though, but thank you! */me high fives back!*
[21:27:17] <arti> ncommander, that's why they have the long censor bars
[21:27:19] <xlefay> NCommander, that hurt man
[21:27:32] <NCommander> arti, on the plus side, it would be a very tiny bar ;-)
[21:27:34] <arti> "you must be this low to work here"
[21:27:35] <NCommander> xlefay, :-)
[21:27:46] <arti> origin of "low down"
[21:27:59] <arti> anyway cool, work is a great way to meet people
[21:28:07] <arti> especially after school -_-
[21:28:16] <NCommander> xlefay, could be worse, you could work at a help desk
[21:28:20] <arti> then if you transfer around a lot, you'll have facebook numbers of friends
[21:28:29] <Woods> NCommander: Awww come on!
[21:28:36] <michealpwalls> Oh man, not cool NCommander.
[21:28:45] <arti> commander has had to deal with his fair share
[21:28:45] <michealpwalls> Help Desk is like the most grueling jobs ever. I'd rather fucking work in a scrap yard.
[21:28:47] <Woods> Low blow man, low blow.
[21:28:57] <michealpwalls> I *cannot* deal with retards and their retarded "problems" LOL.
[21:29:04] <arti> it's called whiskey
[21:29:06] <Cyprus> At least scrap yards turn garbage into value
[21:29:07] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[21:29:14] <michealpwalls> Exactly, Cyprus!
[21:29:18] <arti> "Yes hello, my internet window isn't working"
[21:29:28] <michealpwalls> LMAO "What the hel do you mean 'internet window'?"
[21:29:29] <arti> "we need to go deeper"
[21:29:33] <NCommander> I think I broke xlefay
[21:29:38] <michealpwalls> That'd be me. Que the nerd rage explosion in 3...2...
[21:29:38] <Cyprus> "Yes, my internet stopped working when the lights went out"
[21:29:38] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[21:29:50] <Woods> At least I do helpdesk for my company only. I get to train them to be smarter.
[21:29:59] <arti> woods: do you use simple tricks?
[21:30:05] <Cyprus> woods: s/smarter/not call me/
[21:30:06] <SedBot> <Cyprus> <woods> At least I do helpdesk for my company only. I get to train them to be not call me.
[21:30:07] <Woods> And candy.
[21:30:13] <arti> "i began by putting bunny faces on outlets so they wouldn't explore those"
[21:30:43] <arti> there's always someone's desk who gets raided
[21:30:48] <arti> it's like offerings for animals
[21:31:04] <NCommander> Woods, michealpwalls: it could be worse. we could use the voting system to determine what profession xlefay should use
[21:31:05] * NCommander ducks
[21:31:23] <Cyprus> Comic Sans!
[21:31:30] <arti> how about we just cut off a chickens head and see where the body lands
[21:31:36] <arti> it'll be like a jump to conclusions mat
[21:31:39] <arti> but for opportunities
[21:31:57] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - iPad Sales Show Apple Needs a New Product Category - http://sylnt.us - vintage-ipad-cool
[21:31:58] <arti> maybe, the dominican decider or something
[21:32:11] <NCommander> I broke xlefay
[21:32:13] <NCommander> :-/
[21:32:22] <arti> just kill the process and restart it
[21:32:31] <NCommander> arti, don't think that works in real life
[21:32:40] <xlefay> I'm dying of laughter actually
[21:32:48] <Woods> NCommander: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
[21:32:51] <Woods> Oh! There it goes.
[21:32:58] <xlefay> 'it'? :o
[21:33:00] <michealpwalls> I'm reading this "The Great Filter" article... It reminds me of 2 science-fiction stories. So first is "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" but even better was a story I read (Who fucking knows the name now LOL).... In both stories, we [Humans] *do* make contact with alien life, however the frequency at which we broadcast messages is too high. When recieved, it's just a loud, very fast noise that
[21:33:01] <michealpwalls> is unintelligable.
[21:33:06] <NCommander> Woods, I dunno where the on/off switch has been
[21:33:11] <michealpwalls> Wonder if the boys at SETI ever thought of that :P
[21:33:20] <michealpwalls> "The Great Silence" -- What if nobody understands the fucking NOISE you broadcast?
[21:33:21] <arti> if you brain them hard enough they'll reboot
[21:33:21] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:33:25] <NCommander> There are some things I don't want to touch with plastic gloves
[21:33:38] <xlefay> o.o
[21:33:39] <Subsentient> NCommander: Be careful with incorporation. If it looks like you might be able to not submit a form or follow some step, or file a monthly something after it's established, do it ANYWAYS.
[21:33:56] <NCommander> Subsentient, oh I'm aware
[21:34:03] <NCommander> I don't want the assrearing of my life
[21:34:12] <arti> assrearing.
[21:34:35] <NCommander> Knowing the government, they'd be too cheap to use lube
[21:34:46] <arti> jelly or syrup
[21:34:48] <Woods> Michaelpwalls: To be honest, I did not read the entire page on the "Great Filter" link. I was just trying to get something posted so I could get to my actual job.
[21:34:54] <Woods> Is it a good read?
[21:36:07] <michealpwalls> It actually is
[21:36:31] <michealpwalls> It's making a logical argument that the reason we are finding habitable planets but a terrifying silence in space is a sign that we need to be very careful
[21:36:52] <NCommander> meh
[21:36:55] <xlefay> Maybe the aliens are afraid of us.. I know I am now
[21:37:05] * NCommander actually was writing a world where exactly that happened
[21:37:08] <michealpwalls> LMAO yea, xlefay. Or like in Star Trek, maybe our "signals" are all just noise?
[21:37:14] <michealpwalls> Completely unintelligable nosie haha
[21:37:22] <NCommander> Where the forerunners were xenophobic and on a quest to annilate all life in the galaxy
[21:37:30] <NCommander> Until they found something they couldn't beat
[21:37:40] <michealpwalls> What if there *is* life out there... But it's a fucking virus?
[21:37:41] <chromas> Redneck Republicans in space?
[21:37:44] <xlefay> Humans? Because no-one's better at killing themselves?
[21:37:51] <michealpwalls> Wiping out intelligence biological beings everywhere it lands? HEHEHE!
[21:38:04] <xlefay> michealpwalls, then we won't have to worry about it very long!
[21:38:18] <michealpwalls> haha touche
[21:38:23] <xlefay> hmm maybe we do.. it does mention 'intelligent'
[21:38:25] <Woods> There is a great book that posits that our radio transmissions being pointless to anyone but Humans, are actually a form of attack on aliens.
[21:38:35] <Woods> They show up in our solar system, and are very upset.
[21:39:00] <michealpwalls> Woods: Yea seriously! Wouldn't it be logical to interpret it as a possible attack (Albeit a totaly ineffective one?)
[21:39:01] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[21:39:15] <xlefay> You can't know it's ineffective ;
[21:39:16] <michealpwalls> "These guys are attacking us with some form of electromagentic signal. LETS GET 'EM, FELLAS!"
[21:39:24] <xlefay> If they show up here.. I'm fairly sure, it is in fact, effective :P
[21:39:25] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[21:39:28] * NCommander feels witty
[21:39:31] <michealpwalls> Actually, that's from Star Trek too!
[21:39:39] <arti> came for the signals, stayed for the tasty meat
[21:39:42] <michealpwalls> They "hailed" an alien ship; Ship fired on them in self defense
[21:39:59] <michealpwalls> Fuck exploring space. Just watch some Star Trek, seriously.
[21:40:00] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[21:40:02] <xlefay> arti, our bacon :o
[21:40:03] <michealpwalls> It's all be done before :P
[21:40:05] <xlefay> staph!
[21:40:22] <Woods> Well, in this instance, the aliens were so alien that the way they viewed the universe was from the perspective of an animal (More or less). So any attack on their society, albiet weak, needed to be stopped.
[21:40:44] <xlefay> Woods, and, that's differently from humans, how exactly?
[21:41:07] <Woods> Xlefay: I am trying not to spoil it. :P
[21:41:10] <arti> humans have nice faces
[21:41:24] <arti> if it has a face we can't enjoy eating it
[21:41:46] <Woods> Exactly... Or something.
[21:42:20] <xlefay> e-mail back... and he found someone else already.. great!
[21:42:27] * xlefay disappears into an abyss *sighs*
[21:42:37] <arti> :|
[21:42:47] <Woods> Nooo, abyyyyyys
[21:42:57] <xlefay> why the fuck e-mail me if you already asked someone else... -.-
[21:43:16] <xlefay> Humans..
[21:43:28] <arti> it's how i'd troll
[21:43:32] <xlefay> oh well
[21:43:34] * xlefay is afk
[21:43:36] <xlefay> ciao
[21:43:37] * arti rubs xlefay's shoulders
[21:43:45] <arti> you've still got us
[21:43:52] <arti> and ciri (elsewheres)
[21:45:24] <Woods> Ahah! The book: http://www.rifters.com It is online in its intirety. Very good read, may jack up your understanding of human thought. Ye be warned!
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[21:46:46] <Landon> ooh blindsight is good
[21:47:16] <Landon> all I remember was vampires and scary things though
[21:47:22] <Landon> not that our RF was an attack on them
[21:49:05] <Woods> :P That about sums it up, Landon.
[21:51:09] <Landon> by far, my favorite vampire interpretation though
[21:51:18] <arti> wait
[21:52:08] * Landon busywaiting
[21:52:24] <Woods> Agreed, wholeheartedly. I found the tech in it to be well thought out and researched.... And then I found the page where the author explains all the tech, where he researched it, and who has been theorizing it.
[21:52:38] * arti was thinking rifter as in rifts for a little bit
[21:55:44] <michealpwalls> xlefay: Could be the opposite.. Which is how I'm working a $13/hr instead of a $22/hr right now
[21:55:54] <michealpwalls> Fucking HR took 3 weeks to bother mailing me to tell me they wanted to hire me
[21:56:01] <michealpwalls> At which point, had already been working *here* for a fucking week (dull)
[21:56:10] <arti> always cool starting another job in the mean time
[21:56:18] <arti> "oh uh... yeah, first choice just came through"
[21:56:33] <Woods> lol. I would hate that.
[21:56:39] <Woods> I mean, no lol...
[21:56:57] <arti> then have it ultimatley be crappy, and then ... do you hit the place you left?
[21:57:06] <arti> "yeah so, about that first choice thing..."
[21:57:10] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:57:23] <michealpwalls> Worked out in the end, for me. Turns out this place is an awesome place to work!
[21:57:30] <michealpwalls> Although.. could use that extra cash... :/
[21:57:33] <arti> cool :D
[21:57:33] <NCommander> I think I need to buy a DeLorean
[21:57:39] <michealpwalls> LMAO NCommander
[21:57:42] <michealpwalls> Obviously you do! :)
[21:57:45] <michealpwalls> We all do, duh!
[21:57:52] <NCommander> I want to complete with the Slashdot PT Cruiser
[21:57:52] <arti> NCommander: yeah, just come up with an auth sequence so you can travel back and give yourself investment advice
[21:58:13] <michealpwalls> haha wait, you guys aren't joking are you? Is there seriously a Slashdot PT Cruiser? :/
[21:58:18] <Landon> yep
[21:58:23] <Landon> there's a cruiser
[21:58:25] <michealpwalls> Epitome of lame. "Our site still doesn't work.. BUT LOOK AT THIS CAR WOOO!"
[21:58:27] <michealpwalls> (rofl)
[21:58:56] <michealpwalls> Meh. Whatever makes them money, I guess. It doesn't have to make sense, as long as they make $$ :)
[21:59:57] <michealpwalls> Speaking of Cruiser.. Need to go catch the Loser Cruiser and start my journey home. Cyas!
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[22:00:14] <NCommander> http://www.morrissey-solo.com - wow, old Slash FAQ
[22:04:32] <Blackmoore> huh. i remeber that.
[22:12:34] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: cool, that's much easier then trudging through the htmldocs on github
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[22:30:14] <NCommander> I'm ging to get some sleep
[22:30:15] <NCommander> cya
[22:30:20] <arti> laters
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[22:40:48] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Tech Giants Settle No-Poaching Court Case - http://sylnt.us - when-the-law-isn't-on-your-side
[22:46:27] <Blackmoore> cya
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[22:50:33] <kobach> hi
[22:50:47] <arti> hi
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[23:40:31] <Blackmoore> ah. i love working the evening shift on fridays. (why the hell am i here?)
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[23:50:07] <Cyprus> i know the feeling
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[23:59:09] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody!
[23:59:23] <michealpwalls> Picked up a Wireless keyboard on the way home hehe
[23:59:32] <arti> oh nice
[23:59:33] <michealpwalls> Gaming from the couch, bitches! wooO!
[23:59:49] <arti> diregard that you ____ _____?