#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-24

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[00:00:00] <xlefay> For the US anyway, that really sucks
[00:00:33] <Blackmoore> burned out.
[00:00:44] <Blackmoore> heading home c ya.
[00:00:47] <xlefay> Blackmoore, :~/
[00:00:59] <xlefay> ok, drive safe (if you're driving) ;-)
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[00:01:05] <Blackmoore|afk> thanks.
[00:01:40] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Feedback Requested: Name Vote - http://sylnt.us - apt-get-install-democracy
[00:01:48] <xlefay> uh oh
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[00:02:39] <xlefay> http://www.savetheinternet.com .. seriously
[00:03:29] <ar> net neutrality is alive in europe
[00:03:44] <xlefay> Indeed
[00:04:17] <xlefay> and ironically, that website also featured that..
[00:05:38] <xlefay> Well, for all Americans here: http://act.freepress.net ;-)
[00:32:51] <SirFinkus> lol petitions
[00:33:24] <SirFinkus> basically a step below writing your representatives
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[01:31:44] <SirFinkus> bah, sometimes I fucking hate networking
[01:34:47] * SirFinkus downloads wireshark
[01:38:56] <michealpwalls> lol
[01:41:54] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - First Observed Pitch Drop in 84-Year Experiment - http://sylnt.us - wanted-one-inactive-individual-to-watch-something-eventually-fall
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[01:55:16] <SirFinkus> fucking pos router
[01:55:21] <SirFinkus> being stingy handing out ips
[01:55:41] <SirFinkus> wouldn't even respond to arp requests
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[03:11:02] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Virtual Earth Plays Out Fate of Life on the Planet - http://sylnt.us - now-make-it-without-trolls
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[03:11:34] <kobach> BALLS HURGENSON
[03:11:52] <michealpwalls> O.o
[03:12:12] <kobach> most famous pornstar on SN
[03:12:17] <michealpwalls> lol
[03:12:22] <kobach> surgeon balls hurgenson
[03:13:13] * SpallsHurgenson suddenly likes curly fries http://videosift.com
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[03:28:41] <SpallsHurgenson> semi-informative history of AIM, sorta interesting http://mashable.com
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[03:38:18] <SirFinkus> so can someone explain wtf graphene is? it reeks of bullshit to me
[03:38:44] <SirFinkus> like every week I see a new story about how it's going to revolutionize batteries/space elevators/solar panels etc
[03:39:06] <SirFinkus> it sounds like some kind of magic
[03:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> fun with carbon atoms? :)
[03:40:03] <SirFinkus> does it turn lead into gold too?
[03:40:21] <SirFinkus> and allow perpetual motion?
[03:40:52] <SirFinkus> if dropped, will it exceed the speed of light?
[03:41:49] <SpallsHurgenson> yes to all of that.
[03:41:56] <SirFinkus> cool
[03:42:55] <SpallsHurgenson> "Graphene is pure carbon in the form of a very thin, nearly transparent sheet, basically one atom thick. It is remarkably strong for its very low weight, and it conducts heat and electricity with great efficiency"
[03:43:09] * SpallsHurgenson can't imagine any useful applications for stuff like that
[03:44:32] <SirFinkus> well, that's pretty neat
[03:44:35] * SpallsHurgenson sticks with animal byproducts for all his technology
[03:45:05] <SirFinkus> I probably need to be smarter to understand why it makes everything awesome, I'll just roll with it I guess
[03:45:37] <SpallsHurgenson> "Graphene can self-repair holes in its sheets, when exposed to molecules containing carbon, such as hydrocarbons. Bombarded with pure carbon atoms, the atoms perfectly align into hexagons, completely filling the holes."
[03:45:53] <SirFinkus> curse cancer too
[03:46:16] <SirFinkus> lol
[03:46:16] <SirFinkus> http://www.naukawpolsce.pap.pl
[03:46:18] <SirFinkus> it actually does
[03:46:24] <SpallsHurgenson> "Graphene is the only form of carbon (and generally all solid materials) in which each single atom is in exposure for chemical reaction from two sides (due to the 2D structure)...physicists reported that sheets of Graphene one atom thick are a hundred times more chemically reactive than thicker sheets"
[03:48:19] <SirFinkus> apparently it solve climate change too
[03:51:47] <SpallsHurgenson> unfortunately, it does all this through black magic and satanism
[03:55:26] <SirFinkus> oh, I don't mind
[03:55:33] <SirFinkus> my soul is pretty cheap
[03:56:01] <SirFinkus> going rate is 4 hours more battery life on my laptop
[03:56:16] <SirFinkus> negotiable
[03:56:40] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[03:58:10] <kobach> lol
[04:04:10] <SirFinkus> sup kobach
[04:12:13] * SpallsHurgenson goes off to shoot russians and mutants in the ukraine
[04:13:26] <SirFinkus> it's Ukraine, not The Ukraine
[04:14:21] * SpallsHurgenson wanted to specify that this was the real one... THE Ukraine, not any of the imitators :)
[04:14:53] <SirFinkus> hehe, I was corrected by a Ukrainian on that
[04:17:21] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
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[05:24:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I seem to have exploded
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[05:51:04] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Moon of Alabama Blog DDOSed for Ukraine Reporting - http://sylnt.us - First-Casualty-in-War
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[06:33:19] <arti> :D
[06:41:41] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - ARIN Receives Final /8 of IPv4 - http://sylnt.us - End-of-the-Beginning
[06:48:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I think it's the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning, which is sort of in the middle of the whole thing
[06:49:07] <arti> so you're in the middle of it
[06:52:01] <SpallsHurgenson> slightly to the left, actually
[06:58:26] <arti> hey ncommander: http://sourceforge.net
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[08:51:17] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - The Science of Shakespeare - http://sylnt.us - Bright-Bards
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[09:40:09] <crutchy> hi konomi :-D
[09:40:15] <Konomi> hey ~
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[09:56:30] <crutchy> wb mattie_p :-P
[09:57:17] <crutchy> or xchat auto-reconnect for mattie_p :-D
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[10:31:33] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - The Wacky Story of George Psalmanazar - http://sylnt.us - Stranger-than-Fiction
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[10:45:38] <crutchy> g'day bylarke
[10:45:45] <crutchy> g'day brylarke
[10:45:49] <crutchy> :-P
[10:48:28] <xlefay> morning :)
[10:49:39] <xlefay> Well, seems the voting article has gotten quite a bit of response
[10:53:34] <crutchy> there's a voting article?
[10:53:43] <xlefay> The feedback one
[10:53:47] <crutchy> morning xlefay :-D
[10:53:54] <xlefay> morning crutchy :)
[10:54:03] <xlefay> http://soylentnews.org
[10:54:07] <crutchy> i'm reworking exec... again :-P
[10:55:13] <xlefay> As far as I see, there's a general consensus that the voting system, just sucks. Some suggest redoing it altogether, other suggest sticking with it.. So only about 8-10% of the community signed up for the vote, I'm fairly sure 5-10%(maybe more) won't be taking vote.. well you get where I'm going with that.
[10:55:24] <xlefay> haha, what's you up to with exec?
[10:55:58] <xlefay> 5-10% (of those 8-10%*)
[10:56:14] <crutchy> we need to vote on a new voting system! table a motion to organise a vote voting committee!
[10:57:22] <crutchy> we'd better use the redundant department of redundancy... just to be sure we have backups just in case to be safe
[10:57:38] <xlefay> I actually dislike the current situation. Essentially, if we back off now, we'll send a fuckt up signal, if we don't, we'll use a name maybe 6-8% of the community chose and most of them even voted wrongly (e.g. placing 1 at their most liked instead of the stupid 9) :~/
[10:57:47] <xlefay> hah :P
[10:58:32] <crutchy> i choose... not to get to wrapped up in it
[10:58:55] <xlefay> it's a fucking mess lol
[10:59:02] <xlefay> so anyway, what's you up to with exec?
[10:59:05] <crutchy> though we do seem to feed off crises, which are fun :-P
[10:59:21] <xlefay> lol
[10:59:24] <crutchy> we need a crisis department
[10:59:47] <xlefay> I'm actually setting up a QA team, to prevent this kinda shit from happening in the future
[11:00:22] <crutchy> hmm if we had a crisis department there would be uproar due to there being no call of duty department
[11:00:36] <xlefay> well, if something does go wrong, the QA team would get the blame o.O
[11:00:41] <xlefay> LOL
[11:00:52] <crutchy> we had better set up a department of departments
[11:00:54] <xlefay> I think you'd be a great member of the redundancy department!
[11:01:37] <crutchy> the redundant department of redundancy
[11:02:10] <crutchy> i didn't like the stdout/stderr stuff
[11:02:13] <crutchy> in exec
[11:02:28] <crutchy> it sorta worked but was messy and a bit hard to follow
[11:02:50] <xlefay> ah I see
[11:03:54] <crutchy> i took the socket message handling stuff out into a function (like the stdout and stderr, set the socket to nonblocking and got rid of all crazy loops except one main program loop
[11:03:54] <xlefay> It's always good to clean things up
[11:04:24] <crutchy> very easy to follow now
[11:04:59] <crutchy> this is the main program loop now:
[11:05:01] <crutchy> while (True)
[11:05:01] <crutchy> {
[11:05:01] <crutchy> for ($i=0;$i<count($handles);$i++)
[11:05:01] <crutchy> {
[11:05:02] <crutchy> process_stdout($handles[$i]);
[11:05:04] <crutchy> process_stderr($handles[$i]);
[11:05:06] <crutchy> }
[11:05:08] <crutchy> $handles=array_values($handles);
[11:05:10] <crutchy> process_socket($socket);
[11:05:12] <crutchy> usleep(0.1e6);
[11:05:14] <crutchy> }
[11:05:16] <crutchy> oops sorry prolly the wrong chan for that
[11:05:48] <xlefay> Yeah, but nonetheless, how many handles do you have in there?
[11:05:56] <chromas> Your secret source codez are in teh chat log now!
[11:06:03] <crutchy> lol
[11:06:07] <crutchy> hi chromas
[11:06:12] <chromas> hi crutchy, xlefay
[11:06:23] <xlefay> hi chromas :)
[11:06:29] <xlefay> how's things with you guys by the way? :)
[11:06:34] <crutchy> the number of handles varies (hence the array_values call to reindex)
[11:07:06] <crutchy> i have another long weekend YAY!
[11:07:11] <xlefay> I see, and you've pushed to Github?
[11:07:22] <crutchy> not yet
[11:07:24] <xlefay> Oh my.. it's Thursday already
[11:07:26] <crutchy> still tweaking :-P
[11:08:25] <xlefay> cool :D
[11:08:40] <crutchy> i need to prevent chromas from figuring out that it may be possible to trick exec into recursively executing commands
[11:08:45] <crutchy> :-P
[11:08:48] <xlefay> hahaha
[11:09:41] <chromas> I'll just have to wait until he pops back in
[11:09:45] <chromas> :-)
[11:10:34] <xlefay> :P
[11:10:35] <crutchy> tidying up some other things a bit
[11:17:14] <Brylarke> Morning
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[12:00:41] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Cubicle Hell Was Designed to Set You Free - http://sylnt.us - Applied-Doublethink
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[13:27:32] <NCommander> arti, ?
[13:41:56] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - FCC, CTIA Move to Abandon Net Neutrality - http://sylnt.us - Regulatory-Capture
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[14:32:16] <prospectacle> hi everyone
[14:46:04] <prospectacle> Hooray I've found a story to submit. I hope no one beat me to it
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[15:00:18] <weeds> happy day!
[15:00:42] <prospectacle> yes?
[15:01:05] <prospectacle> I mean, yes!
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[15:05:50] <weeds> I figure that's as good as "good morning" and it aint morning everywhere...
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[15:07:47] <prospectacle> yes, true
[15:07:54] <prospectacle> Happy day to you too
[15:11:04] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Cross Referencing License Plates and CCW permits - http://sylnt.us - search-for-all-the-things!
[15:16:25] <weeds> :)
[15:16:44] <weeds> Just responded on the site name voting story
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[15:18:33] <weeds> Good day Mr. Blackmore:
[15:21:27] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:24:39] <Blackmoore> ok, so we buy ALL the names proposed, and pointthem all at the site.
[15:24:48] <Blackmoore> no problem.
[15:25:13] <Blackmoore> @pros
[15:25:31] <Blackmoore> prospectacle: submit it. I'm taking the week off.
[15:25:55] <Blackmoore> and if anyone pushed crap into the submissions it's me
[15:27:09] <weeds> Blackmoore: What I said was "All you nerds STFU check spam, read instructions, vote, reply. " How hard is that?
[15:28:06] <weeds> Blackmoore: and then oyu have an option to set which logo you want displayed.
[15:29:50] <weeds> you*
[15:29:57] <Blackmoore> :P
[15:30:09] <Blackmoore> see I actually got the vote form.
[15:30:30] <Blackmoore> YAHOO didnt want to let me respond to it.
[15:30:42] <Blackmoore> so i just started a new email. np
[15:31:06] <Blackmoore> ..but later in the day - yahoo wasnt even leting people do that.
[15:31:37] <Blackmoore> (and i did check my spam.. only to find stuff in there that should not have been)
[15:32:16] <Blackmoore> oh weeds - you should have told them to RTFM.
[15:32:35] <weeds> I didn't have any problem yesterday with Yahoo. It was in my spam folder as I was told it prob'ly would be.
[15:32:42] <weeds> indeed, I should have
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[15:39:32] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, submitted.
[15:39:53] <prospectacle> By the way, I like the idea of buying all the domain names. It could show a slightly different title/logo depending on which one you come in from, but everything else would be the same.
[15:41:17] <Blackmoore> *rants about a lack of any instructions -in simple english- in the damn manual*
[15:42:06] <prospectacle> Important lesson from this vote, I think, is that a very simple web-form would be better than email. <form><textarea name='vote_text'>Enter your vote here</textarea><input type='submit' value='submit' /></form>
[15:42:38] <prospectacle> there you go, enjoy
[15:43:31] <Woods> Nope, sorry. I only understand <a>, <p>, <b>, and <i> tags.
[15:44:29] <prospectacle> lol
[15:46:09] <prospectacle> <a href='http://w3schools.com'><p><b><i>well check this out</i></b></p></a>
[15:46:17] <Blackmoore> if it doesnt work in lynx... :P
[15:46:27] <prospectacle> does lynx do forms?
[15:46:37] <Blackmoore> no. that was html 2
[15:47:24] <Blackmoore> lynx is html 1, formatting, hyperlinks, it cant pase forms or graphics
[15:47:57] <xlefay> prospectacle, then, we'll need to make it a link!
[15:48:36] <prospectacle> oh, well screw lynx then.
[15:48:40] <xlefay> <a href="/vote/option/5">vote!</a> oh, so horrible
[15:48:44] <Blackmoore> Poor lynx.. we tried to let you rest in peace.
[15:48:59] <prospectacle> most of the site wouldn't work without forms, or is there some alternative means of logging in, posting, etc?
[15:49:16] <xlefay> nope.. but if it were up to some people, there would be I'm sure
[15:49:38] <Blackmoore> NC and i were joking about it a while back.
[15:49:56] <prospectacle> no doubt some people like it. Are there any text-based browsers that support forms?
[15:49:57] <Blackmoore> but only masochists and teletype machines use lynx
[15:49:58] <xlefay> I suppose those people could, of course, send a comment on a postcard..
[15:50:18] <crutchy> or use fat porn pidgeons!
[15:50:52] <Blackmoore> Now Mosaic should be able to handle the forms
[15:51:08] <xlefay> fat porn pigeons.. wait, how could I have missed that?
[15:51:25] <Blackmoore> i was trying to miss that
[15:51:49] <xlefay> haha
[15:54:28] <prospectacle> Says here lynx supports forms and form inputs http://lynx.isc.org
[15:55:22] <Blackmoore> *old Blackmoore is old and apparently senile*
[15:56:27] <Blackmoore> I guess my point is we shouldnt worry about if it will work on old browsers.
[15:56:53] <Blackmoore> just make nice clean HTML 4 and all should be well.
[15:57:00] <xlefay> old or ancient? ;-)
[15:57:14] <Blackmoore> well my kids decided i was Primordial.
[15:57:41] <Blackmoore> .. back when they were young...
[15:57:42] <xlefay> Auch, that gotta sting
[15:58:22] <weeds> Blackmoore>: You must be 1950's technology
[15:58:29] <prospectacle> I agree. A simple form would be fine. Not sure why email was chosen, unless it's super hard to attach the SN login system to some new form.
[15:58:30] <Blackmoore> eh. they're good kids. snarky.
[15:58:41] <xlefay> That's good ;-)
[15:59:47] <xlefay> prospectacle, you don't even have to attach the SN login system. I'd have used the checkbox, send an unique link to everyone who wants to vote, and not bother with auth at all
[16:00:07] <Blackmoore> I have tech from the 80's/ but i rather like the tech i have from the earlyer. nothing beats hand made tools!
[16:00:27] <xlefay> Of course.. I would have got that stuff spammed all over the main page, with a huge fat ass alert.. ok, maybe not that excessive, but there would be an alert on top of the page "Hey, we're taking a vote... blabla"
[16:00:37] <Blackmoore> those damn tube tytems burned out too quick.
[16:00:39] <prospectacle> Should I rewatch lost or ds9 while I do some programming and chat?
[16:00:46] <xlefay> DS9 definitely.
[16:00:58] <crutchy> the "blabla" would have caught my attention
[16:01:07] <xlefay> Anyone here excited about ST renegades?
[16:01:14] <prospectacle> xlefay, well if you could use the SN login you could avoid using email, or having to set "I want to vote" altogether. Just link to the web-form, login to use it, and you're away
[16:01:19] * xlefay is having a hard time being patient!
[16:01:33] <prospectacle> ok ds9 it is
[16:01:34] <crutchy> what are you impatient about, xlefay?
[16:01:36] <xlefay> prospectacle, that's a good point
[16:01:40] <xlefay> crutchy, ST renegades :o
[16:01:56] <prospectacle> Sisko still hasn't shaved his head, so I've got a long way to go.
[16:01:58] <crutchy> hmm what could we say ST stands for i wonder?
[16:02:00] <xlefay> http://startrekrenegades.com the layout is a bit shiat.. but ok
[16:02:04] <xlefay> star trek, of course..
[16:02:09] <crutchy> oh ruined it :-P
[16:02:23] <xlefay> prospectacle, hahaha
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[16:03:21] <xlefay> I've been waiting for it from the moment they announced it.. it's getting harder to be patient, but all good things take time ;)
[16:03:41] <Blackmoore> OH Renegades! i forgot about that
[16:03:46] <xlefay> :O
[16:03:51] <prospectacle> yeah I think crowdfunding is going to produce some pretty amazing shows and movies, but we'll have to wait to see
[16:04:25] <crutchy> xlefay, is the ST renegades story set before or after janeway goes back in time to take voyager through the borghole?
[16:04:26] <prospectacle> Why bother having studios when fans can just pre-pay
[16:04:33] <xlefay> prospectacle, from what I understand, they're idea is to only make one episode initially and if there's enough attention/viewers, they'll contact CBS to see if they're interested in producing it along
[16:04:53] <xlefay> crutchy, after, for instance, Icheb plays in ST: renegades
[16:05:14] <prospectacle> xlefay, fair enough, but that strikes me as half way between the old system and the emerging new system where you just pay for what you want and they produce it for you
[16:05:27] <xlefay> prospectacle, ehm, well, ST: renegades is made by Renegades studio, apparently, a studio that has existed for quite a while already
[16:05:34] <crutchy> so they should have some kickass photonic torpedos (or whatever they called)
[16:06:09] <xlefay> prospectacle, true, but I suppose, they do need a way to have a stable stream of finances. e.g. fans won't pay for every and each episodes over a timespan of years
[16:06:29] <xlefay> crutchy, I hope they'll introduce transphasic ones, like in the final episode of, ST: voyager
[16:06:29] <crutchy> xlefay, you seen this (fan made): https://www.youtube.com
[16:06:40] <xlefay> damn.... this waiting is killing me lol
[16:06:41] <crutchy> yeah that's what i meant lol
[16:06:49] <prospectacle> xlefay: "stretch goals", e.g. "we want to make three episodes, but if we get X + 20% we'll make five. if we get X*2 we'll make a dozen ,etc.
[16:07:02] <xlefay> prospectacle, that could work I suppose
[16:07:07] <crutchy> xlefay: do what cartman did when he couldn't wait for the nintendo wii
[16:07:15] <crutchy> freeze yourself :-P
[16:07:42] <xlefay> LOL
[16:07:59] <prospectacle> xlefay, maybe I'm dreaming but from what I've seen of crowdfunding it could work well and maybe even replace corporate investment.
[16:08:54] <xlefay> crutchy, :o
[16:09:01] <prospectacle> crutchy, I sometimes think "It would be ok to be in a coma for 20 years as long as you knew you'd wake up" First thing I would say would be "Can I have a look at how awesome your phone is?"
[16:09:09] <xlefay> That's a pretty awesome piece
[16:10:02] <crutchy> this is my fave: https://www.youtube.com
[16:10:08] <crutchy> that cloudy front on view
[16:10:11] <crutchy> fkin awesome
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[16:10:25] <mechanicjay> Morning Gents
[16:10:38] <mechanicjay> some light morning reading:
[16:10:39] <crutchy> g'day mechanicjay
[16:10:42] <mechanicjay> http://www.wired.com
[16:10:42] <xlefay> prospectacle, I agree, but I suppose that doesn't work for everyone :/
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[16:11:02] <crutchy> lmao!
[16:11:14] <crutchy> if that's no joke that's fucking awesome
[16:11:35] <prospectacle> hi mechanicjay
[16:11:37] <crutchy> NASA = need another secretary of the agency
[16:11:48] <Woods> Crutchy: Faaaaaaaake
[16:12:26] <crutchy> oh yeah they never went to the moon :-P
[16:12:37] <crutchy> that's impossible
[16:12:42] <crutchy> you would sink in the cheese
[16:12:44] <Woods> No, I mean... Compare that to one that Nasa released: http://www.nasa.gov
[16:13:03] <crutchy> isn't that with a hasselblad though?
[16:13:14] <crutchy> not sure they had hasselblads on old clunker probes
[16:13:47] <Woods> Maybe it is just really really zoomed in, actually.
[16:13:51] <crutchy> or maybe not color
[16:13:59] <crutchy> the pics don't actually look that bad
[16:14:52] <prospectacle> Does anyone here have a laptop, a tablet, and a phone?
[16:15:04] <crutchy> 1st and 3rd
[16:15:09] <prospectacle> s/phone/smart phone/
[16:15:10] <SedBot> <prospectacle> Does anyone here have a laptop, a tablet, and a smart phone?
[16:15:12] <mechanicjay> Got all three sitting in front of me
[16:15:17] <Blackmoore> not i. the wife has all three.
[16:15:26] <crutchy> my wife has all 3
[16:15:29] <crutchy> i'm poor
[16:15:33] <prospectacle> mechanicjay, do you have any use for the tablet?
[16:15:49] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, crutchy, do your wives use the tablets?
[16:15:58] <crutchy> besides flappy bird?
[16:16:02] <mechanicjay> Well, it on loan from our Faculty Lab so I can test the mobile app build I'm doing.
[16:16:03] <crutchy> yeah
[16:16:08] <crutchy> games, photo shit
[16:16:18] <prospectacle> I see.
[16:16:23] <Blackmoore> yes, she keeps her RPG books (as pdfs) in it. uses it as a reader.
[16:16:24] <mechanicjay> My Wife's tablet, though, is mostly a Toddler Pacification Device.
[16:16:33] <crutchy> one of those 10.1 or whatever sumsung galaxy things
[16:16:41] <crutchy> hahaha
[16:16:41] <Blackmoore> and of course web and games.
[16:16:55] <crutchy> and facecrap... lets not forget that :-P
[16:17:01] <Blackmoore> oh good god. I'd never let a toddler near one
[16:17:07] <prospectacle> I don't really like my tablet it's in many ways the worst of both worlds. I use either phone or laptop for everything.
[16:17:13] <mechanicjay> I actually, find my Thinkpad X61 convertible tablet to be the most useful device I've ever owned.
[16:17:27] <crutchy> angry birds looks nice on it. i have fat fingers on a phone
[16:17:28] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, I can see how it would be a better reader than phone or laptop
[16:18:13] <prospectacle> I mostly read the old fashioned kinds of books
[16:18:17] <Blackmoore> The laptop is useful - but not really as portable as you'd want it to be.
[16:18:48] <Blackmoore> It tends to get used a a music player, or as the camping computer
[16:19:09] <prospectacle> yeah, laptop could be better. I think I'll get a detachable tablet/laptop hybrid next time I need something new
[16:19:09] <Blackmoore> I cant stand the keyboard or the trackpad
[16:19:29] <Blackmoore> but she seems to be ok with it
[16:19:54] <Blackmoore> the phone is a phone. the screen is too damn small to read on.
[16:20:12] <Landon> prospectacle: have you looked into eink readers?
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[16:20:39] <prospectacle> Landon, i have an old one of those. Battery life is good, but it's only good for reading and nothing else (which is fine as far as it goes).
[16:20:51] <Landon> scrolling up a bit further, I have all 3
[16:20:57] <Landon> and the tablet gets used in the kitchen
[16:21:29] <prospectacle> Like for recipes and stuff, or just when you can't be bothered leaving the room to use a comptuer in it?
[16:21:57] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - If Spacetime Were a Fluid - http://sylnt.us - never-get-it-on-you
[16:22:06] <prospectacle> s/comptuer in it/computer/
[16:22:06] <SedBot> <prospectacle> Like for recipes and stuff, or just when you can't be bothered leaving the room to use a computer?
[16:23:49] <Landon> recipes and stuff
[16:23:53] <Landon> we don't really use it as a general surfing machine
[16:23:58] <prospectacle> makes sense
[16:24:00] <Landon> phones are better for quick weather lookup with google now
[16:24:07] <Landon> laptops... are available, but cumbersome
[16:24:12] <Landon> no room in the kitchen
[16:24:32] <prospectacle> yeah i agree. For most quick-check things, a phone is fine
[16:25:11] <prospectacle> I guess we need phone with an enlargeable roll-out screen.
[16:25:20] <Landon> heh
[16:25:22] <Landon> or a magic projector
[16:25:24] <prospectacle> shouldn't be too hard, just make a flexible, paper thin lcd
[16:25:32] <Landon> where I don't have to angle the phone just riiiight
[16:25:57] <prospectacle> yes projectors need to auto-detect the output to adjust their angle. That would be something.
[16:28:31] <Blackmoore> at least now they do make them small enough to carry
[16:32:06] <prospectacle> just looking at some now, "samsung galaxy beam" appears to have a projector built in. Pretty cool
[16:33:48] <prospectacle> uh oh the plasma conduit damage has cause a slight neutrino leak in the port nacell.
[16:34:01] <prospectacle> the caradassians might be able to detect it, even through the cloak.
[16:34:22] <crutchy> especially if it runs on windows 98
[16:36:41] <crutchy> as much as samsung is gunna wipe the floor with their flexible transparent screens, i do like this idea: https://www.youtube.com
[16:37:44] <Teckla> Allow me to play the skeptic for a moment; what's the big value of flexible transparent screens?
[16:38:09] <crutchy> why does anyone need more than 512kb of memory?
[16:38:36] <Teckla> Sell it to me like you're the salesperson and I'm the consumer; I'm really quite curious what the use case is for typical consumers.
[16:39:00] <crutchy> because everyone will think you're awesome
[16:39:06] <crutchy> :-P
[16:39:17] <Teckla> crutchy: Okay, two non-answers, that's fine, I'll remain skeptical :)
[16:39:17] <crutchy> isn't that why everyone buys new shit
[16:39:47] <crutchy> seriously... who knows, but my prediction is that it will take off
[16:40:01] <crutchy> maybe with advertising/marketing first
[16:40:02] <Teckla> But what use cases is your prediction based on?
[16:40:16] <crutchy> transparent flashy screens for some serious eye hurt
[16:40:35] <crutchy> screens bent around curved walls
[16:40:56] <crutchy> screens that you stick to a window
[16:41:05] <Teckla> The only thing I can think of is your smartphone could unroll a much larger display, though I'm not that imaginative.
[16:41:05] <Blackmoore> Flexible - well this is great because it is less likely to take shock damage
[16:41:11] <crutchy> or to a wall so that it looks like just a wall
[16:41:28] <Teckla> Blackmoore: Yep, and be more suspectible to puncture damage and over-bending damage
[16:41:41] <crutchy> big black tv screens kinda stick out like big fat hairy dogs balls
[16:41:52] <crutchy> but a transparent screen on a wall would look nicer
[16:41:53] <Teckla> Well, I'm sure there will be some corporate usages, I'm more wondering from a consumer POV.
[16:42:00] <Blackmoore> transparent? well we've got an APp for that - it uses your camera to identify the buildings and superimpose information from the web right ther in real space
[16:42:14] <crutchy> there are projectors true
[16:42:24] <crutchy> but they also kinda stick out like dogs balls
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[16:42:29] <Teckla> crutchy: Stuck to a wall might be nice for rooms without exterior windows, you could display an actual feed of the outside
[16:42:39] <crutchy> or that :-)
[16:42:42] <Blackmoore> and with our immersive advertizing - those businesses can tell you aboput specials and discounts INREAL TIME
[16:42:48] <crutchy> lol
[16:42:55] <crutchy> that's what will take off first i think
[16:43:05] <crutchy> marketeers will grab it
[16:43:09] <Blackmoore> yup.
[16:43:22] <Teckla> crutchy: Attached to cube walls in office buildings might be nice: no desk space taken, and the display could be nice and large
[16:43:49] <crutchy> with touch technology might even have some star trek type consoles
[16:44:02] <crutchy> (the newer ones)
[16:44:05] <Teckla> Okay, thank you; you've convinced me to be cautiously optimistic about possible use cases ;)
[16:44:16] <xlefay> :o
[16:44:40] <xlefay> http://www.thelonelyd12.com
[16:44:42] <xlefay> (j/k)
[16:44:52] <crutchy> also... HUDs in cars etc
[16:44:59] * Teckla chuckles :)
[16:45:27] <Teckla> crutchy: Oh, great idea -- on a car window, it could augment night vision, etc.
[16:45:50] <xlefay> LOL
[16:45:50] <crutchy> or splash youtube ads all over your windscreen in the middle of rush hour traffic :-P
[16:45:58] <Teckla> haha, oh god no :)
[16:46:03] <xlefay> Teckla, but, don't you worry, your car will drive for you!
[16:46:08] <Blackmoore> or move the important information UP so you dont have to take your eyes off the road
[16:46:12] <crutchy> GoogleCar
[16:46:30] <Teckla> xlefay: Oh man, I would love that. My commute is currently long and pointless
[16:46:42] <crutchy> "we don't just spy on you... we also know where you want to go in advance!"
[16:47:42] <xlefay> crutchy, no no no, "we don't want to spy on you.. but we can't help that your car sends us all your information."
[16:47:48] <crutchy> lol i can just imagine... family gets in the car to go on a trip and husband authenticates. cars goes vroom straight to the porn shop :-P
[16:48:09] <Teckla> "Good morning, Mr. Smith. Please settle in while I drive you to work. I see your wife is with you. Hello, Mrs. Smith. Mr. Smith, would you like to continue viewing gay amputee porn like you were last night?"
[16:48:12] <xlefay> LOL
[16:48:21] <crutchy> hahahaha
[16:48:29] <xlefay> !grab Teckla
[16:48:29] <deadbeef> Added quote 150
[16:48:39] <Teckla> crutchy: haha oh man i'm not sure how i should feel that multiple of us came up with that idea at the same time
[16:49:09] <crutchy> google thoughts
[16:49:11] * Teckla better get back to work now ;)
[16:49:22] <crutchy> GoogleThoughts(TM)
[16:49:33] <Teckla> crutchy: All great ideas, thanks for expanding my imagination on the issue, now I'm actually kind of excited about the technology
[16:49:52] <crutchy> just as long as you know that it will kill you
[16:49:53] <crutchy> :-P
[16:49:55] * Teckla forces himself back to work for now!
[16:49:58] <Teckla> crutchy: heh
[16:50:19] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - MSN Messenger Vs AIM Chat Wars - http://sylnt.us - rofl-lol-bbq
[16:50:33] <crutchy> xlefay, how's that database stuff goin?
[16:50:43] <xlefay> Teckla, heh, don't worry about it, in the future, you're house/workplace will simply keep you confined until you met your quota!
[16:50:46] <xlefay> crutchy, pretty good
[16:52:43] <xlefay> hows the anti-chromas-recursion protection going?
[16:53:54] <crutchy> i got an idea, but i've been... err... . distracted by youtube :-P
[16:54:05] <xlefay> haha
[16:54:19] <crutchy> google is evil
[16:55:14] <xlefay> So is people linking to certain voyager youtube links.. :P
[16:56:23] <crutchy> i started there
[16:56:45] <xlefay> haha :P
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[17:30:49] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Nuclear Explosion Powered Spaceships - http://sylnt.us - more-explosions-is-more-better
[17:31:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> Project Orion!
[17:32:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> (I knew that without looking at TFS, too!)
[17:32:24] <Landon> we will get that much closer to attacking the Fithp!
[17:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> Landon++
[17:32:41] <deadbeef> karma - landon: 16
[17:33:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> Also, if you're a fan, come join the First Saturday chats with Larry Niven! irc.larryniven.org #knownspace First Saturday of every month.
[17:37:23] <Landon> whaaaaaaaaaaaat
[17:37:50] <Landon> is that server right?
[17:39:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> uhhh....maybe. Lemme check.
[17:39:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/org/net/
[17:40:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> It got swapped a while back because Sean forgot to pay the registration and it took him a few weeks to get back
[17:40:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> apparently my irssi config files got updated properly but my brain didn't.
[17:41:33] <Landon> I've rubbed some brain cells, and assume you're andy
[17:42:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yup, I'm less absurd over there (usually).
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[17:59:06] <Blackmoore> i think i want to launch rockets with this http://what-if.xkcd.com
[17:59:28] <Blackmoore> One paper ran a simulation of water droplets hitting a surface at 500 m/s (about Mach 1.5), and found that the water sprayed out from the point of contact at over 6000 m/s—Mach 18.[1]
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[18:23:26] <SirFinkus> speaking of rockets, here are some neat videos of launch cams at shuttle launches
[18:23:28] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[18:23:50] <SirFinkus> commentary by engineers
[18:24:39] <SirFinkus> wait, wrong one, I'm sure there's one in hd
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[18:25:17] <kobach> mrcoolpb
[18:25:33] <mrcoolbp> ehhya?
[18:25:39] <kobach> sup
[18:25:43] <mrcoolbp> tired
[18:25:45] <mrcoolbp> you?
[18:25:47] <kobach> same
[18:26:04] <kobach> thinking about building an email interface for an irc bot
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[18:26:22] <mrcoolbp> kobach: too soon.
[18:26:41] <xlefay> LOL
[18:26:49] <xlefay> oh my, kobach lol
[18:26:56] <kobach> rofl
[18:34:42] <mrcoolbp> meh, gonna take a shower and go to work early today methinks
[18:35:48] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, alrighty, take care man
[18:35:55] <kobach> early?
[18:36:03] <kobach> ive already been and come home lol
[18:36:17] <mrcoolbp> kobach, my hours are cray-zee
[18:36:22] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: Hey there! Good to "see" you!!!!!!
[18:36:23] <kobach> yes i see
[18:36:30] <kobach> what time do you usually leave?
[18:36:43] <kobach> hi Bytram
[18:36:45] <mrcoolbp> hey bytram, as usual I'm on my way out, just checking in before work
[18:36:50] <mrcoolbp> kobach, changes all the time
[18:36:55] <kobach> i c
[18:36:57] <Bytram> I'm still learnng my way around editing stories, but am having some n as I make and learn from mistakes. =)
[18:37:26] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: well, I hope you have a great day! Hope it's not so windy for you there as here!!
[18:37:38] <mrcoolbp> actually it's strikingly windy
[18:37:38] <kobach> oh god the wind
[18:37:43] <kobach> stahp
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[18:38:05] <Bytram> yeh, we're averaging about 30+ mph here.
[18:38:18] * Bytram just has to find someone to tell "go fly a kite"! =)
[18:38:33] <kobach> lol
[18:38:35] <xlefay> Bytram, go fly a kite
[18:38:40] <kobach> LOL
[18:38:44] <Popeidol> Bytram: https://www.youtube.com
[18:39:16] <Bytram> thanks, but I don't have the bandwidth to do videos. :/
[18:39:25] <kobach> well why not
[18:39:37] <kobach> its 2014 everybody should have magic internet from satellites
[18:39:37] <Bytram> cash flow
[18:39:42] <xlefay> Oh my god.. an idiot with a car with speakers and crap, is driving and shouting through the streets :o
[18:39:51] <kobach> oh my
[18:40:02] <Popeidol> Bytram: it's 'let's go fly a kite' from mary poppins
[18:40:10] <Popeidol> if you happen to be an affecionado
[18:40:28] <kobach> mary poppins was probably a whore
[18:40:32] <Bytram> yup, always enjoyed "The Sound of Music"
[18:40:33] <xlefay> It's extremely annoying. *puts music louder* ;-)
[18:40:39] <Popeidol> KOBACH YOU TAKE THAT BACK
[18:40:42] <Popeidol> THAT IS THE WOMAN I LOVE
[18:40:50] <kobach> point proven
[18:40:53] <kobach> XD
[18:40:55] <TK> popeidol: I never realized how ugly those children were
[18:41:03] <xlefay> !grab TK
[18:41:03] <deadbeef> Added quote 151
[18:41:08] <kobach> loool
[18:41:08] <Bytram> need to fix a story. back in a while
[18:41:10] <Popeidol> TK++
[18:41:10] <deadbeef> karma - tk: 3
[18:41:16] <kobach> Bytram: have fun
[18:41:22] <xlefay> If I can't have the "kobach you take that back" line.. that one will have to suffice. :~/
[18:41:29] <Popeidol> I recently got a letter from a bank official called 'banks'
[18:41:31] <Bytram> merci!
[18:41:42] <Popeidol> up until then I thought it was a mary poppins joke
[18:42:32] <kobach> bbiab
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[18:45:00] <TK> Let's say society collapses, and we have to start from scratch. The ruins of our buildings are still there, but the power/water/gas infrastructure is down
[18:45:11] <TK> Given enough time, could we rebuild society?
[18:45:29] <TK> We've already mined most, if not all of the surface metals
[18:45:45] <TK> Easily exploitable petrochemicals are gone
[18:45:48] <Popeidol> well, the materials themselves would still exist where we left them right?
[18:46:02] <TK> yes, but you have to melt them down to make new stuff
[18:46:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> in some ways, the metals things makes it easier rather than harder to rebuild
[18:46:05] <TK> or cut them
[18:46:20] <Popeidol> I'm assuming you're talking about a 'transformers are all broken, but the power lines are still technically fine' situation
[18:46:28] <TK> I suppose
[18:46:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> because mining gets into some pretty sophisticated stuff
[18:46:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> and you can cut (most) things with hand tools given enough time.
[18:47:02] <TK> But you've still got to eat
[18:47:03] <Popeidol> TK: do we have all our existing literature?
[18:47:24] <TK> whatever survies $societycollapsingevent
[18:47:43] <TK> hardcopies would probably be fine
[18:47:54] <TK> until the weather and termites get them
[18:47:57] <Popeidol> It's pretty much guaranteed that pockets of civilisation would survive
[18:48:07] <TK> damn hippies and their solar panels
[18:48:27] <Popeidol> but whether they'd be able to transfer that to the general population is another matter completely
[18:48:57] <TK> You would be able to make new water wheels and windmills
[18:49:05] <Popeidol> just because you have a compound full of engineers who can smelt and build and wire does not mean you can just hook up a suburb to power again
[18:49:49] <Popeidol> really, the future always ends up looking like mad max II
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[18:50:56] <TK> I don't think any group of survivalists would be able to generate enough power to revitalize a suburb
[18:51:01] <TK> deadbeef--
[18:51:02] <deadbeef> karma - deadbeef: -2
[18:51:08] <TK> If you aren't going to add to the conversation...
[18:51:13] <Landon> as long as you can build me a usb charger
[18:51:16] <Landon> so I can still read my ebooks
[18:51:44] <TK> Power inverters would be the most crucial pre-collapse resource
[18:52:00] <TK> that and electrical engineering textbooks
[18:52:42] <Popeidol> at the moment there's plenty of them around
[18:52:55] <Popeidol> there'd be more textbook than people who're able to read them.
[18:53:20] <Landon> s/able/care
[18:53:20] <SedBot> Londyn, did you know there's THREE slashes in a proper s/// command?
[18:53:26] <Landon> damn right I did, SedBot
[18:53:59] <TK> I don't think he was talking to you
[18:54:06] <TK> :-p
[18:54:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> does SedBot only respond to people with mode +v?
[18:54:19] <TK> Sedbot--
[18:54:19] <deadbeef> karma - sedbot: 7
[18:54:19] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[18:54:29] <TK> Sedbot--
[18:54:29] <deadbeef> karma - sedbot: 6
[18:54:29] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[18:54:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/SedBot/that thing/
[18:54:33] <SedBot> <AndyTheAbsurd> does that thing only respond to people with mode +v?
[18:54:33] <TK> heh
[18:54:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> huh...it didn't respond to me before.
[18:55:17] <TK> There would be an abundance of copper in the collapsed world
[18:55:31] <TK> We'd get to the bronze age in a matter of no time
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[18:57:33] <Popeidol> and then we could declare war on the compounds
[18:57:44] <Popeidol> with their fancy running water and electric lights
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[19:03:55] <TK> Well yeah, our gods prohibit such luxuries...except for the ruling class, that is.
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[19:37:06] <Blackmoore> Well the cities, and large susburrbs would be really nasty spots just after the failure. you'd have a lot of dead, due to disease and famine
[19:37:32] <Blackmoore> after about a year or so you might be able to go in and reclaim
[19:38:32] <Blackmoore> i guess the real question is how far back (on a tech level" are you considering us to be?
[19:38:51] <Blackmoore> and who survives?
[19:39:17] <Blackmoore> I have a ton of books on metalworking and early electrical stuff.
[19:40:23] <kobach> lol
[19:40:26] <Blackmoore> given time I can build a low presure steam engine, and use that to mill wood, lathe metal
[19:41:32] <Blackmoore> push me back to human/animal labor only, and i can still make tools that can help me make tools.
[19:41:59] <Blackmoore> but there is no way i can build a calculator, let alone a computer
[19:42:09] <Popeidol> I've always wanted to build one of those hand-powered trains, and that'd be a great chance
[19:42:32] <Popeidol> it's surprisingly hard to buy working rail axles on the cheap
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[19:42:57] <kobach> they actually havent made any since the 40s
[19:43:01] <kobach> here anyway
[19:43:08] <kobach> they're all just reused
[19:43:11] <Blackmoore> no, the steel is still pretty costly.
[19:43:12] <kobach> might have changd by now
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[19:43:33] <Blackmoore> I'm pretty sure the US ones are made in Japan.
[19:43:33] <kobach> hi janrinok !
[19:44:00] <kobach> Blackmoore: im pretty sure they were made here, 100 years ago
[19:44:21] <kobach> i dont think the japanese steel industry was very strong in the late 1800s/early 1900s
[19:48:42] <Popeidol> I think all our rail is produced in the country here
[19:48:50] <kobach> most likely
[19:48:56] <Popeidol> where our rail == rail in my state, and 'in the country' == in a different state
[19:49:14] <kobach> shipping is expensive for those theyre not light
[19:49:21] <kobach> so cheaper to build in country
[19:49:31] <kobach> not like australia is short of iron ore
[19:49:31] <Popeidol> if you produce them on the same continent, you can transport them by rail
[19:50:00] <Popeidol> or at least you could if our states had the same damn railway line widths
[19:50:28] <kobach> rofl
[19:50:29] <kobach> idiots
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[19:53:25] <Blackmoore> Popeidol: you think it would be. but i can show you numbers that the majority of steel in the US is imported, and it's been that way since the 80's
[19:53:46] <Blackmoore> (and yes. i think that's very dumb)
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[19:55:10] <kobach> Blackmoore: a lot of purely financial reasons are dumb
[19:57:14] <kobach> just ask bethlehem steel
[19:57:17] <kobach> oh wait
[20:02:02] <Blackmoore> and I can show you a magor overpass made with Japanese steel just a few mile north of Bethlehem steel
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[20:19:24] <Teckla> Blackmoore: My guess is the only thing that will stop some of the more ridiculous aspects of globalization is: oil prices go up -> shipping costs go up -> local prices thus become more competitive -> more use of local resources
[20:21:39] <Blackmoore> yeah. if i was a shipping company I'd be dumping money into making a solar/electric cargo ship.
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[20:23:29] <Blackmoore> but the cost of the crap those ships can run on is relitivly low. they may not be able to run on it in US waters. but in international those ship use thae nasty crap that was too lousy to process
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[20:30:37] <Woods> Woo, how about that power outage.
[20:30:48] <Teckla> Blackmoore: I think some cargo ships have been experimenting with sails (with success!)
[20:35:19] <Blackmoore> yep. they have - but you get into the doldrums, and now you need motive power. so sails are good, just not enough alone.
[20:36:31] <Teckla> Good point
[20:37:01] <Teckla> I think most diesel trains in the U.S. actually have electric motors that are powered by diesel engines that generate electric current. I wonder if the same could be sensible for cargo ships.
[20:37:36] <SirFinkus> I think that's more of a torque thing so that they can get moving
[20:37:42] <Teckla> Oh :(
[20:37:54] <SirFinkus> but that's just a guess
[20:37:59] <Teckla> I ass-u-me-d it was for efficiency's sake.
[20:39:04] <SirFinkus> "This kind of power transmission is used on railways by diesel electric locomotives and diesel electric multiple units, as electric motors are able to supply full torque at 0 RPM. Diesel-electric systems are also used in submarines and surface ships and some land vehicles"
[20:39:07] <Blackmoore> Teckla: you are correct.
[20:39:10] <SirFinkus> from wikipedia
[20:40:15] <Blackmoore> us trains do - I think that they go engine to transmision on a ship to save space
[20:40:39] <Blackmoore> but i'm no nautical engineer
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[20:43:44] <Cyprus> mostly its an efficiency thing
[20:44:26] <Cyprus> running the diesel to genset and electric motors
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[20:57:33] <michealpwalls> Gah!
[20:57:42] <michealpwalls> Duplicate records. SQL needs a fucking knife in the eye!
[20:58:30] <xlefay> MySQL?
[20:58:33] <michealpwalls> http://pastebin.com
[20:58:37] <xlefay> You've never heard of, 'UNIQUE'?
[20:58:47] <michealpwalls> Why is this duplicating like ~4 times? I tried DISTINCT
[20:58:50] <michealpwalls> Ohh, UNIQUE!
[20:58:51] <michealpwalls> Lemme try
[20:58:52] <xlefay> Ugh.. why are you even using DISTINCT?
[20:58:58] <michealpwalls> LMAO iunno, I'm a noob :(
[20:59:02] <xlefay> michealpwalls, UNIQUE is a field setting
[20:59:07] <michealpwalls> *thinks*
[20:59:24] <xlefay> but you're using MySQL yea?
[20:59:33] <michealpwalls> Yea
[20:59:44] <xlefay> Save thyself, switch to PostgreSQL while you can!
[20:59:57] <michealpwalls> MySQL v5.1
[21:00:01] <michealpwalls> LMAO it's not my choice :(
[21:00:28] <xlefay> just install PostgreSQL and pretend it's MySQL (although, that's the worst insult for any DB..)
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[21:22:37] <michealpwalls> Fuck it. Did it in multiple queries :)
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[21:30:23] <Blackmoore> random queries!
[21:30:32] <Cyprus> friends don't let friends ignore basic key settings...
[21:30:38] <Blackmoore> running in a random number of threads!
[21:31:09] <Cyprus> xlefay: nah, there's worse: see "webscale"
[21:31:37] <Blackmoore> If $searchstring$ != "answer in $random number of attempts% return "f' it!"
[21:31:41] <xlefay> Cyprus, you've effective scared me enough not to ever search for that..
[21:32:01] <Cyprus> its great =)
[21:32:40] <xlefay> I'm not looking.. lol
[21:33:00] <Cyprus> xlefay: i think this might be it, cant tell since no audio at my desk https://www.youtube.com
[21:33:01] <xlefay> I've heard that term before though, associated with mongodb though
[21:33:19] <xlefay> oh.. lol, I've seen that one already
[21:33:29] <Cyprus> its classic
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[21:33:49] <xlefay> It's epic
[21:34:17] <Cyprus> non acid people always drive me crazy
[21:34:41] <xlefay> Because why care for your data? (no, don't involve my backup strategy in this :P)
[21:34:41] <Cyprus> its why i finally had to quit my last job, i couldn't stand trying to explain why transactions matter or why nosql is fing stupid
[21:35:02] <Cyprus> "but.. its faster!"
[21:35:11] <xlefay> *local* backup strategy.. I do backup my actual server ;-)
[21:35:19] <xlefay> LOL
[21:36:10] <Cyprus> "i heard postgres is slower, so we arent using it"
[21:36:26] <Cyprus> "why are you wanting to go to innodb, its slower than myisam"
[21:36:31] <xlefay> Wait.. what, are some people still living in <insert <10 years ago>
[21:36:41] <xlefay> rofl
[21:36:45] <Cyprus> yeah, hes also a crazy libretarian
[21:36:54] <Cyprus> that was my final straw so i just quit
[21:37:02] <xlefay> /dev/null
[21:37:11] <xlefay> That line, always makes me chuckle
[21:37:19] <Cyprus> every now and then they want me to consult on some security breach
[21:37:25] <xlefay> Yeah, that makes sense
[21:37:36] <Cyprus> my rate goes up every time
[21:37:41] <Cyprus> im up to $280/hr
[21:37:52] <xlefay> haha
[21:38:30] <xlefay> "sex doll" haha, I always enjoy this "episode"
[21:38:39] <xlefay> nograb..
[21:38:54] <Cyprus> heh now you're making me wish i could watch those right now
[21:39:04] <xlefay> hahaha you should
[21:39:25] <xlefay> 'could' why can't you?
[21:39:43] <Cyprus> no audio at my desk, youtube blocked, etc
[21:39:49] <xlefay> auch
[21:40:16] <xlefay> "I'll be dead soon, but that'll be a relief" LOL
[21:40:49] <xlefay> ugh I need to do some work
[21:40:53] <xlefay> *quickly closes this stuff*
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[22:55:54] <Blackmoore> *somebody please shoot me.*
[22:56:08] <arti> with what?
[22:56:16] * arti prepares the cannon
[22:56:23] <Blackmoore> that should do.
[22:56:26] <arti> this one shoots banana pies
[22:56:30] <Blackmoore> damnit
[22:56:37] * arti prepares a needle
[22:56:39] <arti> how about this?
[22:56:43] <arti> i can shoot you with it
[22:56:45] <Blackmoore> anyone have an orbital laser?
[22:56:54] <arti> i think you can get a used one somewhere
[22:57:30] <Blackmoore> a chineese knock-off orbital laser?
[22:58:26] <arti> what if it was to faux rolex quality
[23:00:56] <Blackmoore> A chineese knock-off orbital laser - that was featured on "Pimp-my-laser cannon"?
[23:05:56] <arti> hah
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[23:07:47] <Blackmoore> hmph. well. that was a thing.
[23:08:38] <arti> playing which cable goes where?
[23:09:49] <Blackmoore> reinstall flash, restart FF, lose all open pages..
[23:09:58] <Blackmoore> *shrug*
[23:11:18] <arti> meh
[23:11:22] <stderr> Consider using a real IRC client?
[23:11:24] <arti> bummer that you have to restart
[23:11:36] <arti> stderr: you mean like facebook?
[23:11:41] * arti hides
[23:12:45] <stderr> You don't have to use a browser to use facebooks chat thingie.
[23:15:15] <arti> facebook is totally aol X
[23:15:26] <Blackmoore> I'm working in a cube. I can't install software on this network.
[23:15:33] <arti> "in the future, you'll be doing all this, without the proprietary client, you'll just login to our website."
[23:16:03] <arti> Blackmoore: did you know that the cubes are where perps go in the dredd universe for incarceration
[23:16:42] <Blackmoore> I didnt know that. but I can understand the metaphore
[23:16:58] <stderr> Blackmoore: You just told us you reinstalled flash and now you're trying to tell us you can't install software? Something doesn't add up.
[23:17:00] <Blackmoore> that's why i would like some sweet sweet release.
[23:17:00] <arti> this trivia will not save your life one day.
[23:17:19] <arti> Blackmoore: i recommend a gentlemen's club after work.
[23:17:27] <arti> go for the wings, stay for the...
[23:17:30] <Blackmoore> well, I have local admin. I'm just not supposed to.
[23:17:37] <arti> o/ show the man
[23:17:46] <arti> o> o/ fight the power
[23:18:01] <Blackmoore> o/ o?
[23:18:14] <Blackmoore> my crowd is confused
[23:18:32] <arti> \o/ listen all ye faithful
[23:19:43] <arti> that is all
[23:19:46] <Blackmoore> anyway. i dont want to draw attention to me. bad enough i have 3 webbrowsers/ flash all so i can do my job with the lousy tools provided.
[23:19:57] <arti> it's like an adventure game
[23:20:07] <arti> you check your inventory: "pocket lint. some breath mints. and a paperclip."
[23:20:11] <arti> > Look north
[23:20:34] <stderr> You see a cubical wall.
[23:20:35] <arti> > Install flash
[23:20:44] <arti> Do not know what flash is.
[23:20:51] <arti> #@$@#$@#$%
[23:21:03] <stderr> You've been eaten by a grue.
[23:21:06] <arti> > Manipulate Software
[23:21:12] <Blackmoore> damn it.
[23:21:22] <arti> A wild meeting appears.
[23:21:33] <Blackmoore> use coffee
[23:21:41] <arti> hahaha
[23:21:57] <Cyprus> it's super effective
[23:22:23] <arti> ^- the slogan on the cup
[23:23:03] <Blackmoore> derail presentation
[23:23:16] <arti> Just push hard enough
[23:24:36] <Blackmoore> push right
[23:24:37] <Cyprus> !grab arti
[23:24:37] <deadbeef> Added quote 152
[23:25:06] <arti> there's truth to that, why do you think they tell you to "Push yourself!"
[23:25:20] <arti> maybe a skateboarder came up with that
[23:25:32] <Cyprus> Nah, a lazy manager
[23:25:51] <arti> well i tend to like lazy evaluated languages
[23:25:55] <arti> not doing stuff unti you have to
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[23:30:40] <Blackmoore> mm.. empowerment
[23:31:01] <Blackmoore> let's brainstorm about this.
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[23:57:34] <chromas> "It's not a blog; it's an e-pinion"
[23:58:05] <arti> "e-pinions represented as fact!"
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