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[00:05:17] <Blackmoore> and I'm out too
[00:05:21] <Blackmoore> cya
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[00:31:54] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - General Mills Reverses Website's Legal Terms - http://sylnt.us - blink-of-an-eye
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[01:36:15] <MrBluze> hrm
[01:36:39] <SirFinkus> hrm
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[01:41:14] <SpallsHurgenson> sounds like a bunch of transformers
[01:41:28] <SpallsHurgenson> er, electrical, not robotic :)
[01:41:54] <SirFinkus> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:42:11] <SirFinkus> etc
[01:42:45] <MrBluze> bzzt
[01:47:14] * SpallsHurgenson looks for something new and interesting on the Internet.
[01:48:42] <SirFinkus> here https://www.youtube.com nsfw
[01:49:09] <SirFinkus> a woman dropping eggs from her vagina on a piece of paper
[01:49:23] <SpallsHurgenson> urg, it wants me to sign in to confirm my age.
[01:49:35] * SpallsHurgenson is suddenly glad he didn't bother to sign in :)
[01:49:54] <SirFinkus> it is something new, and it is interesting
[01:50:13] <chromas> Censored :'(
[01:50:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I think we have very different interests, you and I, SirFinkus :)
[01:50:59] <SirFinkus> well, I'm not strictly interested in that kind of thing, but it is interesting if that make sense
[01:51:53] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - A Blueprint for How to Build a Human Brain - http://sylnt.us - better-than-a-mind-map
[01:52:48] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, can I use that blueprint with a 3D-printer to make a fully functional brain? 'Cause otherwise you're just teasing me!
[01:55:52] <SirFinkus> seriously though, I've been watching old cgi shit lately
[01:55:53] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[01:56:33] <SirFinkus> something mildly unsettling about it, like Beksinski painting
[01:56:39] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, cubes and bouncing spheres!
[01:58:32] <SpallsHurgenson> some people would use a time machine to go back and make history better, like by killing hitler. If I had a time machine, I'd use it to take my desktop PC back 30 years and torment people with how quickly it can render 3D graphics in real-time ;-)
[01:59:03] <SirFinkus> this shit probably took weeks to render out
[02:01:07] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of the "Beyond the Mind's Eye" videos :)
[02:02:00] <SirFinkus> I like the sense of the infinite you get in older cg stuff
[02:03:04] <SpallsHurgenson> it's an artistic thing; you make do with the resources you have available. Today's artists are spoiled by how easy it is to create realistic images. Back then, you need imagination and talent :)
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[02:03:48] <SpallsHurgenson> (heh, found it: Beyond The Mind's Eye http://www.youtube.com )
[02:03:59] <SirFinkus> I don't think it's that, because even skillfully executed art doesn't really grab me
[02:04:16] <SirFinkus> I like the sense of the infinite or massive, in a way that's slightly unsettling
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[02:07:57] <SirFinkus> stuff like this http://i.imgur.com idk how to describe it
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[02:13:03] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of a poster I used to have :)
[02:13:32] <SpallsHurgenson> back before I - sadly - "matured" and was forced to leave posters for framed pictures :)
[02:15:07] <SirFinkus> I also like weird shit like Henry Darger
[02:16:31] <SirFinkus> a lot of it is little girls traced from sears catalogs with penises being hanged and stuff
[02:17:59] <SirFinkus> He mad a 15k page book of illustrations and stories
[02:18:18] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, robot dinosaurs; I'm happy now :) http://www.youtube.com
[02:18:37] <SirFinkus> called "In the Realms of the Unreal The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion"
[02:19:22] <SirFinkus> yes, this is a good video
[02:19:29] <SirFinkus> SpallsHurgenson++
[02:19:29] <deadbeef> karma - spallshurgenson: 7
[02:19:34] * SpallsHurgenson is pretty sure more robot dinosaurs are the solution to most of the world's miseries :)
[02:20:28] <SpallsHurgenson> (other than the fear of getting eaten by robot dinosaurs, of course)
[02:20:49] <SirFinkus> robot dinosaurs don't eat, they just kill
[02:21:38] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:21:39] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe I was thinking of cyborg dinosaurs then.
[02:21:51] <SirFinkus> I remember watching this and being amazed
[02:22:04] <SirFinkus> this was the coolest thing ever
[02:22:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll see your Age of Empires 2 intro and raise you this Eye of the Beholder 2 intro http://www.youtube.com
[02:23:03] <SirFinkus> oh god, actually this https://www.youtube.com
[02:23:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember MARVELING at how the raindrop made all those ripples in that puddle... I watched it over and over again. And the glistening of the wizard's eye; truly, I thought, computer graphics could never get any better!
[02:24:17] <SirFinkus> I didn't have mechwarrior 2, so it was even more awesome
[02:24:26] <SirFinkus> I only got to play it at my friend's house
[02:24:34] <SpallsHurgenson> the MW2 intro didn't really floor me technically as much as it did artistically; the sound, the action... well worth rewatching :)
[02:25:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I always preferred MW3 myself; then again, I can't stand the Clans so it was nice to be on the "good" side again
[02:25:54] <SirFinkus> I just like the art style
[02:26:18] <SpallsHurgenson> The MW4 intro was the best of the series, as I remember
[02:27:03] <SpallsHurgenson> everytime I see it, it makes me wonder why we STILL haven't seen a proper live-action Mechwarrior movie yet :) https://www.youtube.com
[02:50:37] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - 'Open Source' Le Mans Race Team - http://sylnt.us - free-doesn't-mean-cheap
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[03:14:18] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
[03:14:28] <SpallsHurgenson> Beep.
[03:14:43] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls! How are things?
[03:15:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I... I'm not sure. Good, maybe?
[03:16:01] <michealpwalls> LOL
[03:16:04] <BadCoderFinger> Sounds like a lack of decent beer.
[03:16:09] <michealpwalls> That's the best response ever :)
[03:16:45] <SpallsHurgenson> well, it is possible; I am in America
[03:17:10] <BadCoderFinger> Luckily Colorado has no shortage of good microbrews.
[03:17:15] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, that's re: the beer, not the response :)
[03:17:25] <michealpwalls> hehe
[03:17:34] <michealpwalls> It works for both, I think :)
[03:17:44] <michealpwalls> "Of course it's the best response; I am in America!"
[03:17:55] <michealpwalls> :D
[03:18:45] <SpallsHurgenson> American's are quite good at snarky comebacks
[03:19:20] <SpallsHurgenson> well, except when playing video games online. Then we seem only to focus on homophobia :)
[03:19:31] <michealpwalls> Think I'm going to watch 'Zero Charisma'
[03:19:34] <michealpwalls> Seems interesting
[03:23:52] <SpallsHurgenson> eh CHR is a dump stat anyway :)
[03:24:01] <BadCoderFinger> Ha!
[03:24:27] <BadCoderFinger> "I'm a fighter, I don't need to be nice, or even coherent!"
[03:25:55] <SpallsHurgenson> GM just needs to tell his players that dick size is in direct proportion to their charisma score :)
[03:26:17] <BadCoderFinger> "Look! I rolled an 18!"
[03:27:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Congratulations, you are a tripod
[03:27:31] <BadCoderFinger> "Dude! Those are your cheat dice! I was there when you bought them!"
[03:28:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I think we've taken this conversation as far as we can (if not further than we should) for a PG channel :)
[03:29:11] * SpallsHurgenson talks about the weather instead
[03:29:32] <BadCoderFinger> "Look at that cloud! It looks like a..."
[03:29:35] <BadCoderFinger> Sorry.
[03:30:29] <BadCoderFinger> On the plus side, winter is finally retreating.
[03:30:56] * SpallsHurgenson is - thanks to a discussion I had earlier with SirFinkus - now watching old CGI videos on YouTube
[03:38:39] * MrBluze is learning python
[03:39:41] <BadCoderFinger> Ewww!
[03:39:43] <paulej72> define python
[03:39:47] <exec> python: 1 | noun | a nonvenomous constricting snake that kills its prey through suffocation; any of various large constricting snakes (as a boa)\n2 | noun | a soothsaying spirit or a person who is possessed by such a spirit
[03:40:08] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, it's too late in the day to be so productive
[03:40:23] <BadCoderFinger> The only python I like is prefixed by "Monty"
[03:44:48] <BadCoderFinger> What, no love for Monty Python?
[03:45:18] * SpallsHurgenson is resisting the urge to quote python; people think I'm geeky enough as it is
[03:45:33] <SpallsHurgenson> even the nerds are telling me to get a life :)
[03:45:45] <MrBluze> monty python is funny :)
[03:45:52] <MrBluze> im dropping php and learning python
[03:46:24] * SpallsHurgenson imagines MrBluze practicing his funny walk
[03:48:27] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[03:49:28] <BadCoderFinger> I can recommend ruby, it's a lot more readable, and an invisible space at the beginning of a line won't kill your entire program. Indentation sensitive syntax went out with COBOL.
[03:50:31] <paulej72> BadCoderFinger: what about fortran :)
[03:50:42] <MrBluze> utility is more important to me than much else
[03:52:54] <BadCoderFinger> Eh, I never got a taste for fortran, so I can't comment. I actually tried to learn python. Perl's motto is, "There's more than one way to do it." Python's motto seems to be, "There's only one way to do it, and the way you just tried isn't even close."
[03:54:43] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, language fight, language fight!
[03:55:00] <MrBluze> i learnt asm, basic, c, c++, pascal and then php / javascript
[03:55:13] <MrBluze> they have all been pretty flexible but i hate js
[03:55:30] <paulej72> the last fortran i coded was sensitve to wahat column a line started on. first 7 were dedicated to line numbsers
[03:56:47] <paulej72> i have no favorite language. i have dabbled in many
[03:57:09] <MrBluze> well the raspberry pi comes with python
[03:57:39] <MrBluze> which seems to suggest to me it might be good for working with controllers and so on
[03:59:12] <BadCoderFinger> I love C for embedded. If I get 500 lines of perl or ruby, it's time to rewrite it in C.
[03:59:25] <MrBluze> yes C is good
[03:59:46] <MrBluze> but it'd be nice to have interpreted C actually
[03:59:55] <MrBluze> that hasnt really taken off
[04:00:18] <SpallsHurgenson> what, no love for visualbasic? :)
[04:00:23] <paulej72> MrBluze: can you talk to com ports via python?
[04:00:43] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, there used to be TinyC that could be used in a shebang. Now there's binfmtc.
[04:01:15] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls: Bite your tongue!
[04:01:19] <MrBluze> i think so paulej72
[04:01:35] <SpallsHurgenson> Ow, thad hurds!
[04:02:02] <MrBluze> pyserial
[04:02:20] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: i have coded in vb
[04:02:30] <BadCoderFinger> That'll teach you to mention visualbasic! Ouch! Now I did it!
[04:02:30] <MrBluze> and pyUSB
[04:02:42] <paulej72> MrBluze: cool
[04:03:10] <MrBluze> its nice to have non-compiled code for embedded stuff
[04:03:21] <MrBluze> faster to develop
[04:03:34] <MrBluze> and a bit more fail safe actually
[04:04:16] <paulej72> there are some things where speed is never an issue
[04:04:30] <MrBluze> yes exactly
[04:04:34] <MrBluze> and if u need speed, fine, use C
[04:04:36] <BadCoderFinger> That's true enough, but I never write those things, heh!
[04:05:05] <MrBluze> so if i learn python i get that, plus i can still write websites .. probably better than i did in php
[04:06:58] <MrBluze> xlefay pointed out phalcon which basically makes php into c .. and is very fast
[04:07:16] <MrBluze> but that's a bit convoluted for my liking
[04:07:56] <paulej72> we have a system that allows users to log into scientific equipment. contols relay boxes next to the equipment that can kill power or the monitor. uses a 485 network to send commands. does not need to be fast just reliable
[04:09:42] <MrBluze> my thought is that if a scripting language is used, u can separate out parts and maintain the code base without worrying about breakages if a small part fails
[04:09:53] <paulej72> would be nice if it uses a web interface for log in an out so we could set an ipad next to each device to do the login
[04:10:35] <MrBluze> yeah that'd work
[04:11:11] <MrBluze> there's some reasonably good frameworks for web interfaces and so on
[04:11:15] <MrBluze> just like with anything
[04:12:14] <BadCoderFinger> It would make sense to make the bits that need to be fast in C, and have a decent interface to a higher level scripting language (this is the hard part). Then the workflow part can be written in anything.
[04:12:41] <BadCoderFinger> I rather like parrot's approach for this.
[04:12:58] <paulej72> right now the code is ancient c that runs on windows and the instrument net is tied to a single machine that is the only place to do the login
[04:13:08] <BadCoderFinger> The interface to other languages is more or less built in.
[04:13:35] <MrBluze> hmm
[04:13:45] <MrBluze> yeah which scripting language is really a matter of taste
[04:14:17] <MrBluze> .. something with enough momentum that you can rely on version updates in the future
[04:16:06] <BadCoderFinger> Or at least platform updates, heh.
[04:16:43] <MrBluze> well yeah windows is a bad choice
[04:17:01] <MrBluze> u can end up with total breakage after a few years
[04:17:20] <BadCoderFinger> Ask all the people still running XP.
[04:17:27] <MrBluze> some kind of simple debian type situation
[04:17:45] <Landon> hah!
[04:17:47] <Landon> have you guys seen this
[04:17:49] <Landon> http://www.google.com
[04:17:51] <Landon> .SOY
[04:17:52] <Landon> :)
[04:17:53] <MrBluze> u can have any kind of interface to that
[04:18:05] <BadCoderFinger> There are a lot of CNC machines that the software only runs on XP, and they are a bit out of luck.
[04:18:51] <MrBluze> a lot of stuff will run in wine
[04:19:02] <MrBluze> especially if it's home brew code
[04:19:24] <BadCoderFinger> This is true, heh.
[04:19:38] <SpallsHurgenson> oh good, more top level domains to ignore :)
[04:20:44] <BadCoderFinger> Woohoo! Quick! Register beans.soy before anyone else!
[04:20:56] <MrBluze> lol
[04:21:01] <MrBluze> and everyone will go to beans.com
[04:21:02] <SpallsHurgenson> news.lent.soy :)
[04:21:13] <MrBluze> and go.. oh.. wtf
[04:21:31] <BadCoderFinger> Spalls: That sort of makes it sound like we give up news for lent...
[04:21:52] <SpallsHurgenson> BadCodeFinger: Wait... isn't that what the site is about?
[04:22:47] <BadCoderFinger> It could be... but now we have to wait until next year to test the hypothesis.
[04:23:31] <SpallsHurgenson> that list of domains really sounds like google tried for everything and those are the only new TLD's they were awarded
[04:23:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I bet there's somebody at Google HQ going ".Soy? WTF?!?!?"
[04:24:01] <SpallsHurgenson> (either that, or we have a secret fan there :)
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[04:25:06] <MrBluze> lol
[04:26:13] <BadCoderFinger> First, we convert Google employees, then the world!
[04:26:17] <MrBluze> brb
[04:26:41] <BadCoderFinger> Worked for git over SVN, right? Right?
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[04:28:49] <Cyprus> i got sad when i saw grepnews and didn't see groknews =/
[04:30:37] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe people think Pamela Jones would sue them over "groknews" -- although, can you blame them? Who would annoy someone with a large legal knowledge on purpose?
[04:31:54] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Patent Troll Case Ends up in Tatters - http://sylnt.us - system-works-eventually
[04:33:23] <Cyprus> grok shouldn't be trademarkable
[04:33:39] <Cyprus> its a term from a Hielen book
[04:33:52] <chromas> Yeah but this is grok + noun...on the Internet!
[04:34:02] <SpallsHurgenson> On a computer!
[04:34:03] <BadCoderFinger> This is very true. But here in America, we're ill-informed, unhappy, and litigious.
[04:34:06] <Cyprus> that's pretty specious
[04:34:45] <Cyprus> i see the argument though
[04:34:50] <Cyprus> not worth the fight
[04:35:46] <BadCoderFinger> Definitely not worth it.
[04:35:58] <chromas> SoylentGrok
[04:36:07] <BadCoderFinger> groksoy?
[04:38:01] <Cyprus> athough i doubt she would, i'd be more worried about estate issues later on
[04:38:04] <SpallsHurgenson> anyone else still use the term "grok" in real life, or just me?
[04:38:37] <Cyprus> i do =P
[04:38:50] <Cyprus> also had a manager that did
[04:39:12] <Cyprus> i blame him for me ever reading the book in the first place
[04:39:44] <BadCoderFinger> I do at work. Confuses the outsourced people.
[04:39:57] <chromas> What doesn't?
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[04:41:00] <BadCoderFinger> True.
[04:41:45] <BadCoderFinger> One today had both shoes untied. They remained untied all morning, despite several trips to other areas.
[04:42:03] <BadCoderFinger> And being told by several other people.
[04:42:18] <BadCoderFinger> And he runs our management network. Sigh.
[04:42:36] <SpallsHurgenson> outsourced people are required due to the conservation of confusion principle
[04:42:44] <SpallsHurgenson> there is only so much confusion to go around
[04:42:55] <SpallsHurgenson> better to have the outsourced employees confused than your own :)
[04:44:05] * SpallsHurgenson nods to himself as if this makes perfect sense
[04:45:16] <BadCoderFinger> I'd prefer to have some competent people running things I depend on. Apparently I'm not boss material because of this.
[04:46:09] <SpallsHurgenson> look, the incompetence has to go SOMEWHERE
[04:46:46] <BadCoderFinger> Can't it go elsewhere? I'd be happy with that.
[04:46:47] <Cyprus> is that like the conservation of ninjitsu?
[04:47:39] <SpallsHurgenson> BadCodeFinger: there are only so many CEOs in this world
[04:48:24] <BadCoderFinger> Maybe we need a big boat for all the incompetence... Nobody would suspect a boat going _TO_ Cuba!
[04:48:53] <Cyprus> yeah they would, cuba is beautiful
[04:49:04] <SpallsHurgenson> no, no, no... you don't want it all in one place like that. Combined, it could create an incompetence singularity!
[04:50:09] <BadCoderFinger> Wouldn't that just suck up all the other incompetence? I'm ok with that.
[04:50:16] <SpallsHurgenson> it would suck in the competent, who would never escape past its event horizon
[04:50:25] <SpallsHurgenson> (there are some who believe this may already have happened)
[04:51:27] <SpallsHurgenson> BadCodeFinger: Don't be silly. Even you must realize the incompetent can suck even the most competent down to their own level.
[04:51:48] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah. We call those times "Meetings."
[04:52:08] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, you have an odd prononciation for that word
[04:52:15] * SpallsHurgenson pronounces it "nap time" :)
[04:52:26] <Cyprus> i get yelled at when i nod off
[04:52:30] <Cyprus> or look at my phone
[04:52:32] <BadCoderFinger> Me too.
[04:52:40] * Cyprus dislikes his boss
[04:52:43] <SpallsHurgenson> draw open eyeballs on your eyelids :)
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[04:54:40] <BadCoderFinger> I want some of those glasses with eyes.
[04:55:20] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, putting your fingers to either side of the bridge of your nose and looking down slightly works very well; it makes you look like you are thinking, and they can't see that your eyes are closed :)
[04:55:45] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, or so I've been told :)
[04:56:07] <Cyprus> it becomes obvious when you don't move for 10 minutes though
[04:56:19] <SpallsHurgenson> learn to twitch :)
[04:56:24] <Cyprus> that's not thinking, that's coma
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[04:57:38] <BadCoderFinger> Coma: noun, def. Another word for "Meeting"
[04:58:01] <Cyprus> meetings aren't that bad
[04:58:22] <Cyprus> it's barely led conference calls like today that are terrible
[04:58:24] <MrBluze> they're worse
[04:58:34] <SpallsHurgenson> it depends on the meeting, the people, and the company
[04:59:06] <MrBluze> well without human beings we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place
[04:59:18] <michealpwalls> Meetings with animals?
[04:59:36] <BadCoderFinger> Meetings are how people that do nothing suck the productivity out of those who do things.
[04:59:38] * SpallsHurgenson imagines a conference call with cats...
[04:59:53] <Cyprus> i will say i was muted on a call for 1.5 hours today and laughing most of the time with a cube mate who was also on the call
[05:00:01] <Cyprus> about how bad it was
[05:00:04] <SpallsHurgenson> "Mr Fluffy, if you could please stop chasing the string so we can get back on topic..."
[05:00:12] <Cyprus> we were still going over roll call 20 minutes in
[05:00:15] <michealpwalls> haha
[05:00:23] <MrBluze> in meetings now they talk about "champions" of the cause of whatever it is they are meeting about
[05:00:31] <MrBluze> in other words that person does all the work for nothing
[05:00:35] <MrBluze> and the other ones take the credit
[05:00:40] <SpallsHurgenson> any meeting that lasts over an hour is wasted time
[05:00:41] <Cyprus> they "drive" the "synergy"
[05:00:50] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, MBAs!
[05:00:54] <MrBluze> yeah
[05:00:55] <michealpwalls> SpallsHurgenson: Stand up meetings avoid that :P
[05:01:04] <Cyprus> in person meetings avoid it too
[05:01:06] * SpallsHurgenson shrieks in horror and concedes the point to Cyprus
[05:01:10] <michealpwalls> Lets all have a stand up meeting right now
[05:01:28] <MrBluze> what about a walk outside and smell some clean air meeting
[05:01:32] <Cyprus> its hard to have a in person meeting go bad enough that people start laughing hysterically
[05:01:34] <MrBluze> in separate directions
[05:01:42] <michealpwalls> LOL
[05:01:58] <MrBluze> a multi-location stand up meeting on trains
[05:02:02] <Cyprus> people dont like being directly laughed at across the table
[05:02:13] <MrBluze> each person sits at a differently located pub
[05:02:15] <SpallsHurgenson> conference calls/video-meetings rarely work anyway
[05:02:37] <michealpwalls> It depends on the org. I think hehe
[05:02:53] <SpallsHurgenson> you can't slap the useless people who have fallen asleep (erm, are "concentrating with their fingers to their nose" :)
[05:04:07] <MrBluze> i like phone meetings
[05:04:12] <MrBluze> i set the thing to mute, hands free
[05:04:23] <MrBluze> and then go make myself some food and read a book
[05:04:23] <SpallsHurgenson> that's because nobody can slap you like you deserve :)
[05:05:01] <SpallsHurgenson> MrBluze: which exactly is the problem with conference calls. :)
[05:05:08] * MrBluze nods
[05:05:13] <MrBluze> but the idiots who organize them deserve it
[05:05:37] <MrBluze> how else will they realise they are wasting their time
[05:06:17] <SpallsHurgenson> sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy if everyone treats it that way :)
[05:06:28] <MrBluze> well
[05:06:32] <MrBluze> its like this name vote
[05:06:40] <MrBluze> if u humour the system and participate
[05:06:46] <MrBluze> you condemn yourself to more of it
[05:07:37] <BadCoderFinger> Some of us are conscripted. The boss says, "Thou shalt be in this idiot meeting."
[05:07:38] <MrBluze> difference with conference calls is if you are paid to be on them, you kind of are compelled
[05:07:41] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I only support tyrannies with myself in complete control :)
[05:07:51] <MrBluze> yeah indeed
[05:07:54] <SpallsHurgenson> (erm, brb, the master is calling :)
[05:08:05] <MrBluze> tell her we said hi
[05:09:52] <MrBluze> any db developers here
[05:09:53] <MrBluze> ?
[05:10:56] <BadCoderFinger> Sorry, embedded here.
[05:11:27] <MrBluze> k
[05:11:42] <Cyprus> the best meetings are ones i can be on a call at a bar
[05:12:31] <MrBluze> court meetings?
[05:12:48] <MrBluze> there's a bar in those
[05:12:55] <BadCoderFinger> Those would be nice. Beer gets rid of the unpleasant aftertaste of meeting.
[05:14:05] <BadCoderFinger> Speaking of beer...
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[05:18:56] <MrBluze> speaking of speaking
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[05:22:33] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, it is time
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[05:34:12] <MrBluze> hmm
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[05:42:27] <xlefay> MrBluze, Phalcon doesn't convert PHP into C; Phalcon itself is C module for PHP
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[05:42:50] <xlefay> (your earlier statement might have given the impression that it'd convert)
[05:50:36] <MrBluze> oh
[05:50:40] <MrBluze> okay
[05:50:53] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - White House Ordered to Disclose Drone Memo - http://sylnt.us - rationale-[redacted]
[05:50:54] <MrBluze> hey why arent u asleep
[05:51:05] <xlefay> I can't sleep lol
[05:51:18] <MrBluze> i been working on filemaker the past hour or so
[05:51:25] <MrBluze> nearly too easy .. scary
[05:51:37] <xlefay> Let me know when there's a sleepmaker in there somewhere :P
[05:52:04] <xlefay> man it's cold
[05:52:59] <MrBluze> lol
[05:53:10] <MrBluze> do some high intensity exercise for 10 min
[05:53:10] * xlefay is waiting for the heater to kick in
[05:53:15] <MrBluze> and then u will sleep like a baby
[05:53:40] <xlefay> hmm, I don't think my mom would enjoy my crying my ass of after about 30 minutes
[05:53:46] <xlefay> me*
[05:54:12] <MrBluze> lol
[05:54:17] <MrBluze> she might get fond memories
[05:54:18] <xlefay> That's generally how a baby sleeps, sleep(); if (inconvenientTime()) cry(); and so on
[05:54:27] <xlefay> ha
[05:54:53] <xlefay> nah waiting for the heater to kick in, it's normally quite fast :/
[05:54:55] <MrBluze> while( !sleep() ) { cry(); }
[05:55:04] <NCommander> MrBluze, :-/
[05:55:14] * NCommander is mulling a plot for the minecraft server
[05:55:15] <MrBluze> NCommander
[05:55:16] <xlefay> MrBluze, ha
[05:55:41] <xlefay> while (cold()) { sleep = false; } :'(
[05:56:05] <xlefay> although, that should probably be a variable x'D
[05:56:28] <xlefay> while(!cold) { sleep() } # here, that's better
[05:56:36] <MrBluze> while( cold ) do { starjump(); }
[05:56:57] <xlefay> do { starjump(); } while( cold && !lazy );
[05:57:28] <MrBluze> .. else { complain(); }
[05:57:54] * NCommander is mulling building the server spawnpoint in The End
[05:57:54] <xlefay> do { wait&complain(); } while(cold && lazy);
[05:58:26] <MrBluze> i never took up minecraft
[05:58:33] <xlefay> MrBluze, I was working up to that! :P
[05:58:35] <MrBluze> it came when i ran out of time to play games
[05:58:40] <MrBluze> lol xlefay
[06:00:06] <xlefay> uh uh *sees SpallsHurgenson's quit message*
[06:00:32] <MrBluze> is he taking over the world now?
[06:01:20] <xlefay> I'm afraid so, after all, everything on IRC is fact, no? :o
[06:01:33] <MrBluze> no less than anywhere else
[06:01:58] * xlefay patiently awaits for the arrival of superwoman...
[06:02:43] <MrBluze> shes probably ugly, u have been warned
[06:03:00] <xlefay> MrBluze, well apparently, she isn't even real!
[06:03:21] <xlefay> Oh well, better luck next time :p
[06:04:29] <MrBluze> damn
[06:04:53] <xlefay> I like the 'fish' shell.. but I do miss my !!:s/diff/add/
[06:05:58] <MrBluze> fish smell?
[06:06:01] <xlefay> time for aliases
[06:06:25] <xlefay> fish is a shell like bash and such, except, moar awesoe
[06:06:29] <xlefay> awesome*
[06:06:36] <MrBluze> oh yeah
[06:06:38] <MrBluze> i misread
[06:06:41] * MrBluze laughs
[06:06:45] <xlefay> It saves an insane amount of time
[06:07:31] <xlefay> MrBluze, http://fishshell.com take a look ;)
[06:08:38] <xlefay> syntax highlighting, auto suggestions & tab completions (they're different then say, bash completions) and such are my favorite functions ;-)
[06:08:42] <MrBluze> nice
[06:08:49] <MrBluze> reminds me of double dos
[06:09:02] <MrBluze> and other command prompt addons
[06:10:18] <MrBluze> it's good
[06:10:21] <MrBluze> but it's not universal :(
[06:10:28] <xlefay> universal as in?
[06:10:34] <MrBluze> standard install on most distro's
[06:11:19] <xlefay> http://www.imgdumper.nl small example of awesome auto complete
[06:11:30] <xlefay> err, tab completion*
[06:11:55] <xlefay> MrBluze, yeah that bit kinda sucks
[06:12:00] <MrBluze> interesting isnt it that things like bash dont get improved on over a long time
[06:13:52] <xlefay> think bash was updated recently
[06:14:27] <xlefay> Generally it only gets patched I think, I don't keep track a lot
[06:14:33] <xlefay> zsh's awesome too
[06:16:14] <MrBluze> seems to have been the same for me for hte past 10 years
[06:16:18] <MrBluze> but i dont do anything exciting on it
[06:16:39] <xlefay> I don't think bash really gets a lot of new features or so, then again, it isn't intended that way
[06:18:11] <MrBluze> true, its very stable
[06:18:20] <MrBluze> NCommander: how are you?
[06:28:06] <MrBluze> .. i assume good
[06:28:09] <MrBluze> :)
[06:29:31] <xlefay> It's funny, I never recall Windowsw ever giving me a heads up my mouse or keyboard is almost empty
[06:30:56] <xlefay> oh, wrong screen
[06:37:44] <MrBluze> tumtiddlytum
[06:38:27] <MrBluze> putin is letting tartars and other deportees to return to crimea
[06:38:46] <MrBluze> from the click-undo-50-years-later department
[06:43:06] <chromas> xlefay: What settings/term gives you that style of prompt?
[06:43:43] <chromas> Or is it just colors + triangle characters?
[06:44:41] * arti :D
[06:46:33] <xlefay> chromas, it's powerline, so yeah, https://github.com
[06:48:07] <MrBluze> it's pretty
[06:48:36] <chromas> 01,14test 14,10▶01,10 like 10,05▶01,05 this 05▶ _
[06:48:42] * arti is a fan of the dark on white
[06:48:47] <chromas> Insufficient triangle height
[06:48:49] <arti> er... light on dark
[06:48:50] <arti> fek
[06:50:43] <MrBluze> light on dark at night
[06:50:47] <MrBluze> dark on white in the daytime
[06:51:00] <arti> sounds like you just like to switch bottom and top ;)
[06:51:05] <chromas> <blink> at dusk
[06:51:21] <MrBluze> grey on grey at dusk and dawn
[06:51:30] <MrBluze> with flashing window borders
[06:52:33] * chromas feels like a turdbuglar being stuck in the past with basic Bash
[06:53:51] <xlefay> chromas, what are ya using now? powerlined bash?
[06:54:28] <chromas> Just installed fish and zsh and trying them out. Now powerline
[06:55:07] <NCommander> MrBluze, not bad, though I had to go find a 24/7 cafe since the common area in the hostel closed
[06:55:15] <MrBluze> oh
[06:55:28] <MrBluze> well that sounds ok
[06:55:35] <NCommander> Its not bad
[06:56:07] <xlefay> zsh is awesome and so is fish, it's pretty much personal preference. A great thing with zsh is path substitution, e.g. /some/extremely/lengthy/path/ # cd extremely still-extremely
[06:57:21] <xlefay> zsh pretty much feels like bash on steroids, where fish(.. the shell..) feels like an entirely thing at all
[06:57:57] <xar> O_o
[06:58:09] <xlefay> o_O
[06:58:22] <MrBluze> -_x
[06:58:23] <chromas> ^ Johnny Five
[06:58:28] <xlefay> x_-
[06:58:34] <arti> good ol fisher stevens
[06:59:05] <xar> how's everyone doing
[06:59:15] <MrBluze> uhm.. not bad
[07:00:13] * arti is relaxing after a day of code wrangling
[07:00:17] <xlefay> chromas, biggest difference with fish & other shells (beyond the obvious difference in style, auto completion and such) is that the regular bash scripting doesn't work (unless ya know, you execute a regular file #!/bin/bash or first go into bash), e.g. for i in `ls`; or for i in $(ls); will become: for i in (ls) - the syntax is slightly different for fish
[07:00:33] <xlefay> not bad here either, you?
[07:01:28] <xlefay> either way, you probably want 'oh-my-zsh' for ZSH and 'oh-my-fish' for FiSH ;-)
[07:02:17] <chromas> I don't have a .fonts.conf.d or ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d/. Do I just make either one and stick the file in?
[07:02:21] <xar> I'm looking for nice way to basically query a database and throw into a nice boilerplate / bootstrap style presentation, with minimal effort; any recommendations?
[07:02:32] <xlefay> chromas, yeah just create the folder
[07:02:42] <MrBluze> hmm
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[07:03:49] <xlefay> xar, there are so many different ways to do what you want.. but I can't think of any easy as in, it'll take a few minutes to set up/minimal effort hmm
[07:03:58] <MrBluze> xlefay: u can output stuff as csv ?
[07:04:02] <xlefay> Well, of course, there's microsoft products who can probably do it
[07:04:13] <MrBluze> and then .. whatever
[07:04:36] <xlefay> MrBluze, sure, but whatever you do, it's going to take an hour or two or more, to create the entire thing
[07:04:47] <MrBluze> yeah true
[07:04:57] <xlefay> I'd rather just query directly imo, throw up phalcon, create a DB model, etc..
[07:05:06] <MrBluze> as it happens i am using filemaker and uhm.. this kind of stuff would probably take about 3 or 4 mouse clicks lol
[07:05:13] <xlefay> Just use the ORM for a quick & dirty, fast solution x'D
[07:05:14] <MrBluze> it's like microwave meals
[07:05:24] * xlefay ducks for recommending an ORM (but I did say.. quick 'n dirty)
[07:05:38] <xlefay> MrBluze, nice
[07:06:00] <MrBluze> its nice but it's $5k minimum for the server
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[07:08:24] <xlefay> MrBluze, auch
[07:08:58] <xlefay> http://www.gitignore.io that's somewhat neat
[07:09:16] <xlefay> http://www.gitignore.io woa nice ;)
[07:09:52] <MrBluze> it's basically always better to recommend free stuff ^
[07:10:47] <xlefay> MrBluze, in fairness, it's best to recommend the best solution for a problem, if that's proprietary, you mention that too and possibly open/free alternatives if you know them
[07:10:54] <xlefay> That's the rule I follow anyway
[07:11:51] <MrBluze> i guess
[07:12:00] <MrBluze> for this question though depends what the data is already stored as
[07:14:21] <xlefay> true
[07:18:19] <xlefay> I like this gitignore.io :D
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[07:29:31] <chromas> Well damn. I guess logging out of an ssh session kills background tasks too?
[07:30:20] <xlefay> in which shell?
[07:30:38] <MrBluze> it does chromas
[07:30:52] <xlefay> it depends, you can disown in bash for instance (probably also in zsh)
[07:30:55] <MrBluze> unless u start a service i think
[07:31:22] <MrBluze> hmm yes that also
[07:31:32] <xlefay> (but you won't be able to 'fg' back - that's why people use screen/tmux a lot for keeping things running and attached)
[07:31:37] <chromas> rebooted my desktop for a billion updates and my quassel core died :(
[07:31:48] <xlefay> auch
[07:32:10] <chromas> Yeah I should start it as a service
[07:32:48] <chromas> Not getting the powerline enhancements either
[07:32:53] * chromas bitches and whines
[07:33:05] <xlefay> Which shell are you fiddling with now?
[07:33:28] <chromas> I set fish as default
[07:33:38] <xlefay> Did you also get oh-my-fish?
[07:34:04] <xlefay> https://github.com
[07:34:15] <chromas> That's what I forgot
[07:34:16] <chromas> Thanks
[07:34:44] <xlefay> chromas, it's not required though
[07:34:56] <xlefay> essentially, what you need is:
[07:35:03] <xlefay> function fish_prompt
[07:35:03] <xlefay> ~/.config/powerline-shell/powerline-shell.py $status --shell bare ^/dev/null
[07:35:03] <xlefay> end
[07:35:16] * xlefay notes - yes I'm aware, it doesn't belong in .config.. but w/e ;)
[07:35:20] <chromas> ah
[07:35:56] <xlefay> That's in ~/.config/fish/config.fish
[07:36:15] <xlefay> I just use oh-my-fish because it gives some nice things; so I don't have to bother installing stuff manually ;-)
[07:36:51] <xlefay> You'll want to run: fish_update_completions # so you'll get awesomeness
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[07:48:41] * NCommander swears a fuck ton
[07:48:50] <NCommander> Device tree is fucking crap binary format
[07:48:51] <xlefay> That sounds excessive, what's up?
[07:49:01] <NCommander> xlefay, $DAY_JOB
[07:49:16] <xlefay> Oh, yeah, that makes sense
[07:51:24] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Develop 'WiFi for Power' - http://sylnt.us - new-incentives-for-wifi-theft
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[07:56:06] <NCommander> Absolutely f***ed up binary format
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[08:47:58] <xlefay> NCommander, If only, unset $DAY_JOB till tomorrow, no? ;)
[08:49:29] <MrBluze> if( $DAY_JOB == binarytest() ) { delay( 24*60*60*1000 ); }
[08:50:26] <xlefay> Downside is, you may just get fired then..
[08:51:23] <MrBluze> if( procrastinate() && (bosswalkpast() == _IMMINENT ) { look_busy(); }
[08:51:42] <MrBluze> or something
[08:52:43] <xlefay> or
[08:53:10] <xlefay> just to be on the safe side, remove bosswalkpast() and just "look_busy()" always ;)
[08:55:05] <MrBluze> remove( boss );
[08:55:13] <MrBluze> insert( secretary );
[08:55:25] <xlefay> hmm
[08:55:38] <xlefay> insert_with_benefits(new Secretary);
[08:56:02] <MrBluze> collect( profit );
[08:56:17] <MrBluze> secretary.initialize();
[08:56:22] <MrBluze> secretary.warmup();
[08:56:40] <xlefay> You should probably still pass in an argument regarding the type and such... :)
[08:56:58] <MrBluze> if( secretary.checkgender() == MALE ) { exit(1); }
[08:57:30] <xlefay> MrBluze, s/exit/fire/
[08:57:30] <SedBot> <xlefay> <MrBluze> if( secretary.checkgender() == MALE ) { fire(1); }
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[08:57:41] <MrBluze> lol even better
[08:57:46] <MrBluze> hi konomi
[08:57:51] <xlefay> ^
[08:57:52] <Konomi> hey
[08:58:05] <MrBluze> konomi.welcome();
[08:58:26] <xlefay> Should error messages be informative or insulting?
[08:58:33] <MrBluze> yes
[08:58:39] * xlefay is in favor of both.
[08:58:49] <Konomi> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com
[08:58:52] <Konomi> ;p
[08:58:55] <MrBluze> not or - and
[09:00:23] <xlefay> Konomi, touché; how are ya?
[09:00:31] <Konomi> same old same old ;_;
[09:00:46] <xlefay> sounds oldish, nothing fun to do?
[09:00:49] <Konomi> did however mop and vacuume the whole house today
[09:00:54] <Konomi> not eeally
[09:00:54] <Konomi> xD
[09:01:08] <xlefay> hmm, think the mopping & vacuuming made that clear hmm
[09:01:17] <xlefay> sucks :(
[09:01:35] <MrBluze> nice
[09:03:28] <xlefay> xlefay.goDoSomeWork(); ... ;)
[09:03:37] <xlefay> beh.. don't feel like it but I should, bbl ;)
[09:04:40] <MrBluze> i been slowly getting this database built in fm
[09:04:45] <xlefay> MrBluze, here's a question, if people were written in an OOP-language, which one would you say that would be?
[09:05:21] <MrBluze> people.. hmm
[09:05:39] <Konomi> brainfuk
[09:05:42] <MrBluze> php
[09:05:42] <exec> alias requires additional argument
[09:05:42] <Konomi> cause I can never get them anyway
[09:05:53] <xlefay> I think Python, because: import soul
[09:06:02] <MrBluze> php because u get unexpected behiavours
[09:06:03] <exec> script error
[09:06:09] <xlefay> Like script errors? haha
[09:06:17] <Konomi> I didn't even know php had objects ;p
[09:06:20] <MrBluze> java cause it gives u the shits
[09:06:30] <Konomi> java cause it's slow?
[09:06:35] * Konomi hides
[09:06:45] <MrBluze> yeah
[09:07:05] <MrBluze> can't be c or c++ cause that's supernatural
[09:07:08] <xlefay> Konomi, it has for many years but it was a pain in PHP 4, PHP 5 has some decentness about it.. but there are catches like everywhere ;-)
[09:07:31] <xlefay> I was going to say something like haskell first.. but them people would be too correct!
[09:09:48] * NCommander bangs head repeatively
[09:09:50] <NCommander> Seriously
[09:09:52] <MrBluze> actually people are pretty damn cleverly made
[09:09:54] <NCommander> Fuck this file format
[09:09:55] <NCommander> Ugh
[09:10:08] * Konomi sends NCommander docx's
[09:10:09] * MrBluze bends said file format over
[09:10:36] <NCommander> this probably won't be as tedious if I wasn't coding in raw assembly
[09:10:42] * MrBluze carefully wraps the file format in a vm to be safe
[09:14:58] <chromas> MrBluze: what's fm?
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[09:16:03] <chromas> Filemaker?
[09:16:20] <MrBluze> eys
[09:16:23] <MrBluze> yes
[09:17:06] <chromas> A local tv station used to use something called FM Lite but I can't find anything about it
[09:17:20] <MrBluze> as a database?
[09:17:47] <chromas> Yeah; stored their library of stuff to air and used it to build their schedules
[09:17:51] <MrBluze> im using filemaker server .. uses php / apache for its web server end
[09:17:57] <chromas> Don't remember much about it but it was a DOS program
[09:18:07] <MrBluze> FM used to be macintosh
[09:18:21] <MrBluze> but it's OSX / windows now
[09:18:21] <chromas> Maybe it was a knockoff or something
[09:18:41] <MrBluze> could be .. dos was stuff like lotus 123, or symphony
[09:18:46] <MrBluze> or dbase 3
[09:19:07] * xar you know who remembers Harvard Graphics? xar remembers.
[09:19:11] <MrBluze> dbase 3 still used in one place i worked
[09:19:30] <MrBluze> i remember hercules graphics lol
[09:20:03] <chromas> Pepperidge Farm remembers
[09:25:21] crutchy|work is now known as crutchy
[09:25:41] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[09:26:28] <crutchy> hey mrbluze,chromas,ncommander,xlefay,konomi
[09:26:37] <Konomi> hey ;p
[09:26:43] <chromas> hi crutchy
[09:26:47] <MrBluze> chromas: filemaker has become so terribly easy to work with since i last used it (nearly 20 years ago)
[09:27:33] <crutchy> !todo 1
[09:27:33] <deadbeef> todo item 8 added
[09:27:40] <crutchy> or not
[09:27:41] <NCommander> holy blast from the past O_O;
[09:27:46] <xlefay> yo crutchy ;)
[09:27:48] <chromas> When doing a web search, after excluding radio stations (because FM) and everything else I just get stuff about downloading hentai for some reason
[09:27:54] <crutchy> !todo
[09:27:54] <deadbeef> todo for crutchy: 1) rewrite slashcode in assembly 2) dig up monolith on the moon 3) fuck beta 4) prepare draft RFC8008135 5) make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot 6) bacon+noodles 7) 1 8) 1
[09:28:04] <crutchy> !done 8
[09:28:04] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:28:10] <crutchy> !done 7
[09:28:10] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:28:13] <xlefay> LOL @ 5
[09:28:30] <MrBluze> !todo
[09:28:30] <deadbeef> todo for mrbluze: 1) Go through bugtracker and update missing bugs 2) Tidy up Wiki 3) Write proposal for dupe detection and article indexing 4) Write proposal for web-based voting separate from slashcode
[09:28:43] <MrBluze> !done 4
[09:28:43] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:28:47] <MrBluze> !done 3
[09:28:47] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:28:49] <MrBluze> !done 2
[09:28:51] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:28:51] <MrBluze> !done 1
[09:28:52] <crutchy> todo item 5 in progress :-P
[09:28:55] <deadbeef> 1 item deleted
[09:29:01] <xlefay> We should have a !scrap one instead of "done" for those which you didn't do.. naturally, it doesn't really matter _but_ .. semantics
[09:29:17] <MrBluze> !todo nothing
[09:29:17] <deadbeef> todo item 1 added
[09:29:20] <chromas> well put that on your todo
[09:29:22] <MrBluze> there :)
[09:29:34] <xlefay> chromas, already done
[09:29:45] * xlefay just uses his BNC's *notes function. :P
[09:29:59] <crutchy> !todo complete todo list items
[09:29:59] <deadbeef> todo item 7 added
[09:30:13] <xlefay> crutchy, that way, you'll never finish it!
[09:30:13] <chromas> !todo
[09:30:13] <deadbeef> nothing todo for chromas ;]
[09:30:20] <chromas> Sweet; I'm all done!
[09:30:39] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Scotiabank: Case Sensitive Passwords Frustrate Users - http://sylnt.us - amateur-dramatics-security-theater
[09:30:45] <crutchy> !todo goto todot item 7
[09:30:45] <deadbeef> todo item 8 added
[09:30:59] <crutchy> todot++
[09:30:59] <deadbeef> karma - todot: 1
[09:31:02] <chromas> Case-sensitive passwords don't exist on tv
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[09:31:39] <crutchy> g'day mattie_p
[09:31:41] <Popeidol> in fact, lowercase is often missing completely
[09:31:58] <mattie_p> just noticed I got disconnected, seem to be having internet problems today
[09:32:06] <crutchy> i always have trouble selecting uppercase numbers on my telly
[09:32:14] <xlefay> What's frustrating is when you can't use a password because "it's too long, you're only allowed to use XX characters" like.. fu
[09:32:27] * chromas looks at slashcode
[09:32:45] <crutchy> chromas: you'll go blind
[09:32:59] <chromas> oops logged out
[09:33:02] <MrBluze> lol xlefay .. when they say "password too long" it means "sorry the three letter agency can't crack a password longer than XX characters in 5 seconds"
[09:33:07] <chromas> well last I saw it has a 20-char password limit
[09:33:12] <xlefay> chromas, a piece of you will die when you do that
[09:33:27] <mattie_p> maybe that's what'
[09:33:38] <mattie_p> what's wrong with my computer, I was looking at slash today as well
[09:33:39] <MrBluze> password should be any length .. if u hash it who cares how long it was
[09:33:46] <xlefay> Probably, I'm guessing "Scotiabank" is a bank.. I tend to use longer passwords for banking shit and such (well.. when that's allowed)
[09:34:14] <xlefay> MrBluze, well.. there are some disadvantages when someone throws in a book, guess hashing that would kinda go slow, especially with bcrypt and the likes
[09:34:14] <crutchy> i like zero length passwords best. very easy to remember :-D
[09:34:30] <Popeidol> crutchy: you will love the new Xbox one
[09:35:10] <MrBluze> xlefay: the disadvantage is for the user
[09:35:12] <crutchy> i've got a wii that never gets used
[09:35:19] <xlefay> essentially, MrBluze, password length should be sensible, e.g. max 250 characters should generally be /more/ than sufficient.
[09:35:30] <MrBluze> yeah 250 is fine
[09:35:36] <chromas> crutchy: can you install Linux on it? :-D
[09:35:37] <MrBluze> depends on character restrictions
[09:35:54] <crutchy> can i get mariokart for linux?
[09:36:00] <xlefay> There shouldn't be any.. isn't it great if an attacker just knows which characters he can exclude from cracking? ;-)
[09:36:17] <MrBluze> there shouldn't be any
[09:36:24] <xlefay> crutchy, surely.. you just install an emulator and voila!
[09:36:27] <MrBluze> but for some reason no one can write normal websites
[09:36:48] <xlefay> MrBluze, sure I can. echo 'Go away' > index.html
[09:37:00] * xlefay notes those are the best websites, they never leave anything to be desired
[09:37:34] <xlefay> They can't ever disappoint, etc.. It's just there saying for the visitor to go away, no stupid password restrictions or user interactions, etc.. ;)
[09:38:03] <crutchy> echo 'click here for pr0n' > index.html ...leaves a lot to be desired :-P
[09:38:05] <xlefay> Ok, I lied, there is something to be desired, valid HTML, but who cares
[09:38:23] <xlefay> (besides me and millions of others... oh details..)
[09:38:29] <xlefay> crutchy, that's just baiting them lol!
[09:38:38] <MrBluze> lol
[09:38:45] <crutchy> i was thinking of there being no link
[09:39:05] <xlefay> MrBluze, I don't know why they set restrictions I suspect they use some old internal system and shit that enforces them
[09:39:12] <xlefay> crutchy, I know XD
[09:39:40] <xlefay> "Dammit why isn't this link working?" (of course, you'll need to use some CSS to make it appear as if it's really a link, naturally
[09:40:12] * arti o.o
[09:40:18] <crutchy> and some js to make the text move out of the way when y7ou try to click it
[09:40:28] <xlefay> crutchy, ooh, how about FLASH!
[09:40:31] <arti> just use CSS!
[09:40:36] <arti> on:hover :D
[09:41:02] <xlefay> You can make it appear as if a real porn site loads and then take it away just before it's supposed to blur out
[09:41:18] <xlefay> arti, because it's so amazingly excessive :P
[09:41:26] <arti> good old flash
[09:41:27] <MrBluze> flashing gifs
[09:41:43] * arti was fond of siezure robots
[09:41:54] <arti> seizure*
[09:42:02] <xlefay> You just gotta love those people who still use flash to build websites these days
[09:42:13] <arti> xlefay, heh
[09:42:15] <xlefay> Surprisingly, I haven't visited any recently
[09:42:20] <arti> check out hair products
[09:42:26] * arti came across one
[09:42:27] <Popeidol> xlefay: it's now retro and cool again
[09:42:32] <xlefay> arti, Thank you, I'll steer clear of those!
[09:42:36] <arti> ugh 70s pants are back with the high waist
[09:42:56] <xlefay> Popeidol, and then they say JS is bad ;-)
[09:43:02] <crutchy> apparently my work is getting a new website redesign
[09:43:05] <arti> sweet
[09:43:13] <xlefay> crutchy, they should hire us
[09:43:17] * arti enjoys when its a never ending project
[09:43:23] <crutchy> i hope to have nothing to do with it :-D
[09:43:32] <arti> as long as the pay is decent, it's fun
[09:43:38] * arti has alcohol and bong loads for the stress
[09:43:42] <xlefay> Just think of all the possible easter eggs!
[09:43:52] <arti> yeah, i think those are 50% off now
[09:44:00] <xlefay> rofl
[09:44:01] <exec> "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of purge."
[09:44:08] <xlefay> exec++
[09:44:09] <deadbeef> karma - exec: 1
[09:44:19] <crutchy> purge is fun though
[09:44:28] <arti> do you use ice tea spoons?
[09:44:32] <arti> or more of a finger guy
[09:44:33] <xlefay> Depending on the context..
[09:44:56] <xlefay> I just love how exec just "randomly" comes out of the wood work to share a fortune with us
[09:44:59] <MrBluze> back soon .. exercise
[09:45:04] <xlefay> MrBluze, I bet ;-)
[09:45:16] * arti watches as mrbluze scratches his back
[09:45:20] <xlefay> LOL
[09:45:44] <arti> or was it a morsel of food which has escaped into a fold?
[09:45:50] <arti> "treasure hunting"
[09:45:56] <arti> my favorite is finding dried fruit
[09:46:10] <arti> :D
[09:46:22] <crutchy> i'm gunna strip a bunch of shit out of exec tonight
[09:46:23] <xlefay> hmm yea I got nothing
[09:46:37] <arti> xlefay: do you keep it in a jar?
[09:46:51] <crutchy> scriptify all the internal commands
[09:46:52] <arti> "this is 1 litre of nothing"
[09:47:02] <xlefay> arti, we've got fruit in a basket downstairs actually
[09:47:19] <crutchy> i've got a fart brewing
[09:47:19] <xlefay> currently oranges.. I'm no fan of them so
[09:47:29] <arti> crutchy, that mean's something is honking for the right of way
[09:47:34] <arti> means.
[09:47:48] <xlefay> crutchy, damn it didn't pay it's rent?
[09:47:54] <crutchy> traffic must be tight
[09:48:15] <xlefay> lol!
[09:48:18] <arti> :|
[09:48:19] <xlefay> That's nasty
[09:48:25] * arti is speechless
[09:48:28] <crutchy> there's probably a semi trailer in the way :-P
[09:48:28] <arti> well did.
[09:48:45] <arti> semi trailer = half roll
[09:49:02] <crutchy> might be a raod train
[09:49:12] <xlefay> oh my
[09:49:13] <arti> is that what happens to women in india?
[09:49:24] <arti> porking.
[09:49:38] * arti does finger poking gesture
[09:49:56] <xlefay> rofl
[09:49:56] <exec> < sam> /.ing an issue is like asking an infinite number of monkeys for
[09:49:57] <exec> advice
[09:49:57] <exec> -- in #debian-devel
[09:50:05] <xlefay> LOL!!
[09:50:17] <crutchy> hahaha
[09:50:22] <xlefay> Seriously? WTF
[09:50:32] <xlefay> exec++ you keep going buddy
[09:50:32] <deadbeef> karma - exec: 2
[09:50:36] <arti> rofl
[09:50:37] <exec> I'm going to live forever, or die trying!
[09:50:37] <exec> -- Spider Robinson
[09:50:53] * arti would have that jester shot
[09:50:59] <arti> in a funny way, obviously
[09:51:11] <crutchy> by killing him till he dies from it?
[09:51:19] <arti> that's a pro tip
[09:51:24] <arti> "kill it, until it dies guys"
[09:51:25] <xlefay> crutchy, or die trying ;-)
[09:52:23] <arti> well, just have the process fork itself
[09:52:28] <arti> apache does this :D
[09:52:38] <xlefay> haha
[09:52:39] <arti> "hey look, i'm leaking. time to restart myself"
[09:52:45] <crutchy> hmm maybe we should add bender's quotes to some kind of fortune file
[09:52:48] <xlefay> !grab arti
[09:52:48] <deadbeef> Added quote 148
[09:53:01] <xlefay> That'll sound so nasty one day
[09:53:11] <arti> xlefay: wait until i eat mcdonalds
[09:53:18] <xlefay> crutchy, actually, that's the plan for SN
[09:53:38] <xlefay> I'm planning on writing a small QDB site, where people can upvote/downvote quotes, and the best liked quotes will get added :D
[09:53:48] <xlefay> The QOTD @ Slashcode's are from fortune ;-)
[09:53:58] <arti> http://german-bash.org
[09:54:14] <crutchy> is that a ww2 site?
[09:54:33] <arti> deutsche frauen sind die beste frauen :P
[09:54:52] <crutchy> oh crap i mentioned zi war
[09:55:02] <arti> gas bill /joke
[09:56:02] <xlefay> auch
[09:56:13] <crutchy> there was no mention of hamburgers so i had no idea what it says
[09:56:27] <arti> burgermeister is a cool name
[09:56:41] <arti> "hey sup, i'm mayor!"
[09:56:48] <crutchy> so is frappe
[09:56:59] <arti> is that the german sound for fapping?
[09:57:08] <crutchy> i think so
[09:57:23] <arti> :D
[09:57:30] <crutchy> it probably turn french cicks on
[09:57:34] <arti> lol
[09:57:43] <arti> they just love germans
[09:57:51] <crutchy> if i could type proplierlky
[09:58:04] <arti> your fingers are just big boned
[09:58:12] <crutchy> or frapped
[09:58:25] <arti> crutchy, have you seen super troopers?
[09:58:40] <crutchy> no i don't listen to hip hop
[09:58:49] <arti> good, wash your hands then, this is a movie
[09:59:15] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[09:59:19] <crutchy> i can't work the telly cos there's no uppercase numbers
[09:59:34] <arti> you guys get hex channels or something?
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[10:03:31] <chromas> Didn't notice the poutine reference before
[10:03:43] <arti> hahaha
[10:12:35] <MrBluze> poutine--
[10:12:35] <deadbeef> karma - poutine: -336
[10:12:55] * MrBluze found some dry fruit, fwiw
[10:13:14] <arti> nice
[10:13:17] * arti shares some nuts
[10:13:35] * chromas eats arti's nuts
[10:13:52] <arti> careful, shells laddo
[10:13:54] * MrBluze looks up some kitten recipes
[10:15:14] <arti> i think they drink milk
[10:16:00] <chromas> He was hoping for a double entendre
[10:17:03] <MrBluze> i wasnt going to feed the kitten
[10:17:07] <chromas> You know, like blue waffles
[10:17:14] <crutchy> chromas: you shouldn't talk with your mouth full of arti's nuts
[10:17:44] <MrBluze> nibble nobby's nuts before he nibbles yours
[10:17:57] <chromas> Nah, I already got the salt off so I'm done
[10:18:13] <MrBluze> chocolate salted nuts
[10:18:20] * arti gets the peanut butter
[10:18:26] <crutchy> lol
[10:18:34] <arti> hahaha
[10:18:42] <arti> terrible
[10:18:55] <crutchy> arti... that is just wrong :-P
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[10:19:34] <MrBluze> try { arti.nuts.nibble(); } catch( e ) { printf("I take exception to that!\n"); }
[10:19:52] <arti> crutchy, hey everybody wins
[10:19:55] * crutchy doesn't mention var_dump
[10:20:15] <xlefay> LOL
[10:20:35] * MrBluze throws an exception at arti's nuts
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[10:21:37] <xlefay> Did exec choke on ya nuts arti ?
[10:21:54] <crutchy> it took a var_dump
[10:22:21] <arti> it's all about the print_r
[10:22:37] <arti> logmessage lines seem to obfusicate code
[10:22:50] <crutchy> we should hire some strpos
[10:22:57] <arti> hah
[10:23:16] <arti> its all fun and games until you realize how many other mouths have been on those
[10:23:28] <arti> mouthes
[10:23:37] <MrBluze> no one can resist crutchy's glowballs
[10:23:39] <MrBluze> ;)
[10:23:44] <arti> i was right the first time
[10:23:58] <chromas> strip --strip-all -vvvvvv *
[10:24:02] <xlefay> arti, you sure did blew it the second time :P
[10:24:17] <arti> we were all in college once
[10:24:23] <xlefay> unsee --all *
[10:25:56] <MrBluze> unzip pants.zip
[10:26:38] <MrBluze> tar feathers.png
[10:26:48] <chromas> tar xf MrBluze/pants
[10:26:58] <chromas> .gz
[10:27:32] <MrBluze> rm -r clothes/
[10:27:51] <arti> i think this should move to #orgy
[10:28:06] <MrBluze> we havent even gone into databases
[10:28:08] <MrBluze> many to many etc
[10:28:17] <chromas> wininit
[10:28:21] <arti> in that case, i'll get the lotion
[10:28:48] <MrBluze> fsck /dev/beta
[10:32:02] <MrBluze> arti: that room exists in fact
[10:32:23] <MrBluze> back later - dinner
[10:32:28] <arti> yeah, but i only go in there on thursdays
[10:32:33] <crutchy> enjoy
[10:32:41] <arti> MrBluze: don't forget to chew 10 times
[10:32:57] <arti> chew.sh
[10:33:23] <arti> foreach($mouthful as $bite) { $bite->chew(); }
[10:37:09] <MrBluze> while( isfood()) { bite(); for( i=0; i<10; i++) { chew(); } }
[10:37:22] * arti claps
[10:37:44] <MrBluze> while( isfood()) { bite(); for( i=0; i<10; i++) { chew(); } swallow(); } wipe_mouth(); ask("may I leave the table");
[10:38:20] <MrBluze> back l8r
[10:39:18] <chromas> bool ask(char question) return(false); // Thanks to Betteridge for this code
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[10:48:09] <chromas> Bender could use a !quote-random function. Doesn't give help for grabquote and the domain linked is expired :-(
[10:48:25] <chromas> Bender's still cruel
[10:48:29] <arti> sounds like they've thought of everything
[10:48:35] <arti> a problem that solves itself
[10:51:47] <arti> arti 3D-printed a 3D printer capable of 3D-printing a more powerful 3D printer.
[10:55:07] <chromas> Do they come in color yet?
[10:55:19] <arti> most come is white
[10:55:46] <arti> s/is/in/
[10:55:46] <SedBot> <arti> most come in white
[10:55:52] <arti> they both work
[11:16:07] <MrBluze> which come isnt white?
[11:16:25] <arti> apparently the 3d printed?
[11:17:56] <arti> how was the exercise?
[11:26:21] <MrBluze> oh
[11:26:26] <MrBluze> i did some rowing
[11:26:42] <MrBluze> 3d printed come .. hmm
[11:26:45] <arti> lol
[11:26:50] <MrBluze> just use clag
[11:26:51] <arti> "i just sent you my file!"
[11:27:03] <MrBluze> 3d printed babies
[11:27:12] <arti> i think it's a new dimension of the cam whore industry
[11:27:18] <MrBluze> lol yes
[11:27:23] <MrBluze> i'll do some more rowing later
[11:27:33] * arti needs to buy another weight
[11:27:47] <arti> i totally forgot the last time i was out, i remembered, and then became distracted
[11:27:51] <arti> and didn't remember until earlier today
[11:28:29] <MrBluze> u do weights
[11:28:32] <MrBluze> i used to
[11:28:42] <MrBluze> now i just do HIT and rowing
[11:29:07] <MrBluze> regaining my sixpack lol .. havent had it for 10 years
[11:29:24] <arti> yeah, had a friend show me some neat exercises, and i've been using his
[11:29:34] <MrBluze> that's cool
[11:29:41] <arti> well two of them
[11:29:45] <MrBluze> i row for my back and legs
[11:29:54] <arti> i've got a bit more diet changes to make prior to the abs showing
[11:30:01] <MrBluze> and otherwise 7 minutes of exercise looks after the rest
[11:30:01] <arti> ~15kg
[11:30:16] <MrBluze> yeah i have lost already 7kg.. got 5 to go
[11:30:31] <arti> nice, i'm eating much better
[11:30:33] <MrBluze> hm since march
[11:30:56] <MrBluze> yeah same.. not eating shit from a packet anymore, no snacks, stand up most of the day - kicked the chair away
[11:31:05] <arti> ugh, the chair is the real killer
[11:31:12] <MrBluze> yeah it totally is
[11:31:12] * arti spends far too much time at the helm
[11:31:33] <MrBluze> i just give the chair to my assistant and i do all the standing and walking around
[11:31:55] <arti> mfw your assistant is a plushy
[11:32:14] <arti> "assistant! call so-and-so for me!"
[11:32:28] <MrBluze> lol
[11:32:40] <MrBluze> my assistant does the writing and the doing
[11:32:48] <MrBluze> i just bark orders and walk around and look at stuff
[11:33:42] <arti> sounds pretty awesome
[11:33:53] * arti uses dragon naturally speaking for that
[11:34:00] <arti> it mangles stuff :D
[11:34:04] <MrBluze> lol
[11:34:16] * arti finds dictation extremely tiring
[11:36:01] <MrBluze> ;)
[11:36:12] <MrBluze> i like my job
[11:36:19] <MrBluze> when disaster doesnt strike
[11:40:04] <arti> do you do logistics or something?
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[11:42:35] <MrBluze> yeah partly
[11:42:54] <MrBluze> programming on the side
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[11:44:43] <MrBluze> work on end-user software
[11:45:00] <MrBluze> mainly to speed up the workflow that i am in charge of
[11:45:08] * arti recommends whips
[11:45:20] <MrBluze> whips++
[11:45:20] <deadbeef> karma - whips: 1
[11:45:36] <MrBluze> is that a c++ library? ;)
[11:48:00] <arti> hahaha
[11:48:12] <crutchy> ooh someone mentioned whips?
[11:48:13] <arti> might be a cool idea for a framework
[11:48:17] <arti> "i'm going to whip something up"
[11:48:40] <MrBluze> lol actually yes
[11:48:42] <arti> "our handy command line tool is known as lash, and the exception handler is known as the tickler"
[11:48:44] <MrBluze> whips and chains
[11:49:00] <crutchy> i prefer bash
[11:49:07] <arti> okay viking
[11:49:08] <MrBluze> ruby on crack
[11:49:13] <MrBluze> who needs rails
[11:49:15] <arti> implying it isn't already
[11:49:20] <arti> rails are what you snort
[11:49:22] <crutchy> lol
[11:49:45] <MrBluze> bash uses phonebooks
[11:49:53] <MrBluze> phonebooks.cpp
[11:50:05] <arti> "bash uses phonebooks to sit on to be equal to other shells"
[11:50:12] * arti hides
[11:50:21] <crutchy> it/me bashes arti
[11:50:27] <MrBluze> bash uses phonebooks to prevent leaving any evidence
[11:50:35] <crutchy> hmm wonder who it/me is?
[11:50:45] <crutchy> they're not very civil
[11:50:45] <arti> oh, like when you put the phonebook on the chest, and then use a sledge hammer on the person
[11:50:48] <arti> well indirectly
[11:50:53] <MrBluze> uhm yes
[11:51:08] <MrBluze> kind of like wipe
[11:51:14] <arti> yeah, i've leased out apartments to people
[11:51:21] <arti> not that i know this first hand
[11:51:26] * arti awkwardly laughs
[11:51:31] * crutchy prefers female chests without phonebooks
[11:51:41] <arti> crutchy, why, what do you store in them?
[11:51:50] <crutchy> fun
[11:51:50] * arti puts tools in his chests
[11:52:10] <crutchy> i don't know how they cram so much fun in them
[11:52:24] <crutchy> maybe female chests are the ultimate storage devices
[11:52:33] <arti> cd cleaners perhaps
[11:52:42] <arti> sacks of fat otherweise
[11:52:43] <MrBluze> they have sweet stuff in them that never runs out
[11:52:49] <crutchy> /dev/tit
[11:53:05] <crutchy> hmm
[11:53:06] <arti> faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *deep breath* aaaaaaaaaaaat
[11:53:25] <crutchy> actually there's usually /dev/tita and /dev/titb
[11:53:36] <arti> "bert" "ernie"
[11:53:50] <crutchy> are you thinking what i'm thinking b1?
[11:54:00] * arti must sleep
[11:54:10] <arti> my quest for propaganda must resume tomorrow
[11:54:11] <MrBluze> T1 says to T2 .. its time we got something straight between us
[11:54:21] <MrBluze> T2 says to T1 .. what, in front of all these people?
[11:54:39] * arti likes t800s, bestest terminators
[11:57:45] <MrBluze> what's your job like arti?
[12:17:18] <MrBluze> bbak
[12:21:10] <kobach> i am cyberdyne systems model 101
[12:25:34] <MrBluze> oo
[12:25:44] <MrBluze> open the pod bay doors hal
[12:32:37] <crutchy> you have performed an illegal operation and will be shut down
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[12:39:47] <SoyGnu> so... hows the status of the improvements of the rss feed?
[12:40:11] <MrBluze> in the land of instant and free results, fantastic
[12:40:12] <SoyGnu> it shouldnt be that difficult, whould it?
[12:40:23] <SoyGnu> should*
[12:40:25] <MrBluze> but in the land where the volunteers have day jobs
[12:40:39] <MrBluze> ;)
[12:40:46] <SoyGnu> day jobs? outrageous
[12:40:51] <MrBluze> no, wouldn't be that difficult
[12:41:06] <MrBluze> but depends on where it sits in the priorities of easy but innumerable jobs to do
[12:41:10] <SoyGnu> if you point me the right direction i can take a look
[12:41:30] <SoyGnu> priority in the issues is wishlist
[12:41:31] <MrBluze> there is a dev server u can download in a virtual machine
[12:41:35] <SoyGnu> but it should be promotted imho
[12:41:43] <crutchy> it's out the door on your left :-P
[12:41:51] <SoyGnu> i dowloaded the code
[12:41:59] <MrBluze> and u can update it to current soylentnews code
[12:42:02] <MrBluze> via github
[12:42:19] <MrBluze> .. and u can make a commit and push for its approval
[12:42:22] <MrBluze> :)
[12:42:35] <SoyGnu> yeah... i downloaded the code... i mean point me in the right direction within the code
[12:42:41] <MrBluze> it's just like all the other OS projects now
[12:42:44] <MrBluze> oh okay
[12:42:52] <SoyGnu> i found this Slash/XML/RSS/RSS.pm
[12:43:01] * crutchy recommends sagasu
[12:43:06] <crutchy> \ahh
[12:43:14] <MrBluze> yes, that'll be roughly the right place
[12:43:25] <MrBluze> but probably its a perl script somewhere with a similar name
[12:43:50] <MrBluze> crutchy: i havent looked at the code in ages ... would u know where abouts it is?
[12:43:56] <SoyGnu> i tackle some perl code before... but im by no means expert or even knowledgeable
[12:43:57] <crutchy> that's prolly perl mrbluze
[12:44:25] <crutchy> why it's in xml directory? meh it's slash... does there need to be a reason?
[12:44:32] <MrBluze> i decided to learn python instead of perl
[12:44:38] <MrBluze> cause i need to teach it to the kids also
[12:45:01] <SoyGnu> they use perl at my $DAYJOB so i had no choice but to learn something
[12:45:10] <SoyGnu> i chose python as well
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[12:48:57] <MrBluze> i am used to php
[12:49:24] <MrBluze> but i think python is better for non-web type stuff
[12:52:11] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Analysis of Russia's New Military Model - http://sylnt.us - New-New-Model-Army
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[12:57:17] <SirFinkus> http://livingcomputermuseum.tumblr.com
[12:57:23] <SirFinkus> hehe, guess what I'm doing this week
[12:57:28] <Brylarke> <MrBluze> but i think python is better for non-web type stuff <- why is it not better for web type stuff too?
[12:58:18] <MrBluze> i didnt say it wasnt
[12:58:26] <MrBluze> ;)
[12:58:40] <MrBluze> i think once it's set up and working it can be better than php
[12:58:58] <MrBluze> but php is better straight off the bat - faster .. and it's not a mistake it's as popular as it is for this reason
[12:59:23] <MrBluze> faster meaning faster to get started
[12:59:57] <Brylarke> Hmm
[13:00:20] <Brylarke> I used to think that until I realised how easy it is to set stuff up like django these days
[13:00:48] <Brylarke> And now we are no longer in a world solely full of free php hosts
[13:01:54] <MrBluze> that's just it, django
[13:02:03] <MrBluze> and good ide's
[13:02:14] <MrBluze> things are always changing
[13:05:22] <Brylarke> Yeah, good ides
[13:05:26] <Brylarke> Like sublime
[13:05:27] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[13:05:39] * Brylarke frowns
[13:05:52] <MrBluze> or pycharm by the looks of things
[13:06:25] <Brylarke> I haven't had much luck with pycharm
[13:07:04] <MrBluze> im early in the piece with pythin
[13:07:09] <MrBluze> s/pythin/python
[13:07:09] * SedBot offers MrBloze a /
[13:07:13] <MrBluze> s/pythin/python/
[13:07:13] <SedBot> <MrBluze> im early in the piece with python
[13:07:19] <Brylarke> But then I do development on a netbook and am sensitive to bloated ides
[13:07:45] <MrBluze> fair enough
[13:07:56] <MrBluze> whereas i like not to have to remember stuff much
[13:08:04] <MrBluze> and half type everything and press tab and move on
[13:08:28] <Brylarke> Yeah, sublime is good enough at that really
[13:08:47] <MrBluze> i'll look at it
[13:12:56] <SirFinkus> sublime's fuzzy autocomplete is awesome
[13:14:06] <MrBluze> and django stuff.. does it include that?
[13:14:32] <MrBluze> i mean in its .. whatever its called, class manager or whatever
[13:15:12] <Brylarke> No, sublime just auto completes certain symbols as you use them, it doesn't have language support unless you find plugins
[13:15:27] <Brylarke> But usually that's just good enough for my needs
[13:15:59] <Brylarke> There is a python plugin but dunno if it includes django
[13:16:05] <MrBluze> ah ok
[13:23:55] <MrBluze> i started php with eclipse
[13:24:01] <MrBluze> that was massively bloated
[13:24:02] <MrBluze> but it worked
[13:25:41] <Brylarke> I can get eclipse running for about 3 minutes on my netbook before crashing
[13:26:14] <Brylarke> Funnily enough IntelliJ seems to work fine
[13:27:36] <MrBluze> oh
[13:27:44] <MrBluze> eclipse is good though
[13:28:20] <MrBluze> i mean for something that's free
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[13:32:55] <Brylarke> IntelliJ is also free now
[13:33:03] <Brylarke> And less bloated
[13:33:16] <Brylarke> Well, by that I mean it has a free version
[13:34:46] <MrBluze> interesting
[13:35:07] <MrBluze> oh. they make pycharm
[13:35:15] <MrBluze> jetbrains
[13:35:37] <MrBluze> kinda cool company for making so much useful stuff
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[13:50:37] <Brylarke> Yeah
[13:51:01] <Brylarke> More cool now that they have made stuff available for the community instead of being prohibitively expensive
[13:51:46] <MrBluze> yes that too
[13:51:57] <MrBluze> $100 is a fair bit
[13:52:01] <MrBluze> but if i do make something production standard i'll pay it
[14:03:26] <xlefay> Biggest difference between ST and PyCharm is that ST isn't an IDE (even though, it's awesome [I bought a license a long time ago!] you can make it just be that but in it's core, it'll just remain a text editor); whereas PyCharm is a full blown (awesome) IDE
[14:04:41] <xlefay> MrBluze, I'd still recommend you'll try the PyCharm trial first (it has Django stuff built in, the community version doesn't); get some familiarity with Django, then switch off to the community edition or buy a license ;)
[14:05:00] <xlefay> By using the Django bindings first, you'll be able to pick up Django much faster, least that's what I think ;)
[14:05:10] <xlefay> s/using/having/
[14:05:10] <SedBot> <xlefay> By having the Django bindings first, you'll be able to pick up Django much faster, least that's what I think ;)
[14:06:39] <xlefay> also, php's so popular because it's so damn easy and it really doesn't require a brain unless you want to do it right
[14:06:59] <MrBluze> yeah
[14:07:08] <MrBluze> i dont really have a brain so that suits me
[14:07:39] <MrBluze> hi btw
[14:07:58] <MrBluze> filemaker is proving to be very nice
[14:08:13] <xlefay> I just re-attached to my bnc lol, you guys were distractful lol :P
[14:08:16] <xlefay> I bet :D
[14:08:29] <xlefay> You guys had a lot of kinkyness going on hah
[14:09:03] <MrBluze> lol
[14:09:22] <xlefay> "many to many" lol!
[14:10:10] <xlefay> MrBluze, now, I'm sorry I wasn't around to !grab that
[14:10:43] <MrBluze> ;)
[14:12:37] <MrBluze> filemaker has list systems and so on so u can control the contents of fields, either as relational keys like normal db's, or via very very easy to set up validators either from other tables, external files, any source nearly
[14:13:02] <MrBluze> and it takes any data type at all
[14:13:31] * MrBluze used to have to code so much of this himself
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[14:15:47] <Konomi> anyone here ever downloaded their facebook data?
[14:16:04] <MrBluze> ? never had an account
[14:16:17] <Konomi> I have one I don't use often
[14:16:20] <Konomi> whichwill be at all now
[14:16:26] <Konomi> they save everything
[14:16:28] <Konomi> your chats
[14:16:35] <Konomi> login times ip address browser info
[14:16:39] <Konomi> friends removed
[14:16:44] <MrBluze> yep
[14:16:47] <Konomi> the only thing they don't save is removed photos and videos
[14:16:51] <Konomi> they save everything else
[14:16:54] <Konomi> chat messages and all
[14:16:55] <MrBluze> it's what u come to expect from someone called zuckerberg
[14:17:22] <Konomi> I knew they were bad but I didn't think they'd save every single chat message and login time >.>
[14:17:27] <Konomi> the rest I expected
[14:17:37] <MrBluze> google does it
[14:17:41] <MrBluze> everyone does it .. assume it
[14:17:45] <Konomi> you can turn it off on google
[14:17:56] <Konomi> well if it actually goes off that is
[14:17:58] <MrBluze> u can turn it off for yourself - but not to them
[14:18:00] <Konomi> but it definitly stops saving the chats
[14:18:02] <MrBluze> the memory hole
[14:18:11] <Konomi> in facebook there is no off xD
[14:18:23] <Konomi> unless you download your info you wouldn't know either
[14:18:24] <MrBluze> that's just sloppy
[14:19:09] <MrBluze> in the days before computers, intel agencies collected every newspaper clipping, every report, every word you spoke in public, if you were a person of interest, or a relative, or a distant relative even
[14:19:11] <Konomi> well I use otr+ pidgin now ;p
[14:19:31] <MrBluze> a person of 10 years age could have volumes of collected data
[14:19:39] <MrBluze> even in the 80's
[14:19:46] <Konomi> differnce is they do it to everyone now ;p
[14:19:50] <MrBluze> right
[14:19:53] <MrBluze> all the more
[14:20:01] <MrBluze> they will collect every line typed here
[14:20:09] <MrBluze> and it's already matched to who we are
[14:21:01] <MrBluze> the sad thing is i dont sound like a paranoid idiot anymore
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[14:24:57] <MrBluze> ppl who fought in the cold war knew about this very early on
[14:25:25] <MrBluze> but most ppl have been pretty naive to it unfortunately .. they never believed it when it was said to them
[14:25:25] <n1> if you have nothing to hide...
[14:25:45] <MrBluze> if you have nothing to hide... you're pretty damn boring
[14:26:25] <n1> lol
[14:27:00] <Konomi> about once every 30 years society gets collective amnesia
[14:27:02] <n1> i've been amazed at the apathy surrounding the situation regarding all the data being collected by private and government interests
[14:27:05] <Konomi> and goes to stupid land
[14:27:17] <n1> it might vary by country, but in the UK it seems literally no one gives a shit
[14:27:31] <MrBluze> the brits are a long suffering people
[14:27:33] <Konomi> same in kangaroo land here
[14:27:41] <MrBluze> with daylight robbery etc
[14:27:54] <MrBluze> aussies are well fed
[14:27:54] <n1> the default assumption is it's in our best interests, as it's our spy agencies doing it
[14:27:56] <MrBluze> so they dont care
[14:28:11] <n1> or it will be better for us, as the market will use the data to help offer us better things/what we want
[14:28:29] <MrBluze> problem is once you decide you want to go outside, you find the door is locked
[14:28:46] <MrBluze> but the people who knew about this had snuck out years earlier
[14:29:31] <n1> as long as we still have enough access to credit to finance a new car every 3 or 4 years
[14:29:38] <n1> and enough to get a overseas vacation
[14:29:40] <n1> it's all good
[14:29:42] <MrBluze> .. it's all set to change
[14:30:03] <MrBluze> since the game has proceeded to the ukraine
[14:30:35] <n1> i havn't been following the Ukraine situation as closely as I perhaps should
[14:30:40] <n1> but from what i see, Putin is winning.
[14:31:13] <MrBluze> yes
[14:31:26] <MrBluze> snowden is the tip of the iceberg of data leakage
[14:31:26] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Record Labels Claim MP3s Too Good to Resell - http://sylnt.us - Steaming-Pile-of-Bullocks
[14:31:47] <n1> there are more leaks to come, even from snowden afaik
[14:32:07] <MrBluze> yeah .. the big problem is the US has been pwned
[14:32:25] <MrBluze> and it does appear that their moves have been worked out in advance and are being cut off
[14:33:03] <n1> Putin is doing business very well, I think he's been observing international diplomacy for the last decade or so
[14:33:13] <n1> and knows how to push without reaching breaking point
[14:33:25] <MrBluze> well i think the US has overplayed its hand
[14:33:37] <MrBluze> very clumsy work in ukraine
[14:33:43] <n1> Russia seems to be working by degrees, a baby step every day
[14:33:53] <n1> whereas the US likes to go all in on the first call
[14:34:24] <MrBluze> the US is in a hurry
[14:34:41] <n1> arnt they always?
[14:34:43] <MrBluze> they are on a tight schedule because money is running out
[14:34:52] <MrBluze> and their military supremacy is a narrow time window
[14:35:20] <n1> but the military supremacy doesn't really matter if you're taking on another world power
[14:35:24] <MrBluze> but the plan is that if (when) the US collapses, there will be a war in the americas with the ultimate aim of a single american economic zone
[14:35:25] <n1> because you dont want that fight anyway
[14:35:28] <n1> hence syria
[14:36:21] <MrBluze> yeah syria hmm .. they hoped to weaken russia
[14:36:32] <n1> the US military machine might be more than 10x that of Russia, but when it was a million times that of afghanistan and iraq, it didn't help.
[14:36:35] <MrBluze> and they never got rid of all the chem weapons
[14:37:12] <n1> they don't like syria, but syria has a powerful friend in russia, so as many humanitarian reasons as there are
[14:37:19] <n1> it's not good business to invade syria
[14:38:02] <MrBluze> well in all those countries there was relative (albeit grim) peace
[14:38:26] <MrBluze> yet in countries with extreme injustice like bahrain (afaik) it's business as usual thank you very much
[14:38:40] <n1> i read something the other day about the US pressuring Afghan government for troops staying on after the deadline
[14:38:50] <MrBluze> well of course
[14:38:59] <MrBluze> they have bases built there now - they wont withdraw except by force
[14:39:06] <n1> bahrain is a good example, as with saudi arabia and some of the other arab states
[14:39:27] <n1> extreme injustice and dictatorship is OK, as long as it's friendly to western business and military interests
[14:39:39] <MrBluze> that's it
[14:40:11] <n1> the UK PM made comments about another MP supporting a dictatorship, after he'd had a trip to the middle east
[14:40:14] <MrBluze> well it's getting to a pointy end now with all of this stuff
[14:40:22] <n1> to sell the british defence industry to governments like bahrain
[14:40:29] <n1> for their 'anti-terror' operations
[14:40:30] <MrBluze> china should be nearly ready with their submarine fleet now
[14:40:58] <MrBluze> oh.. yeah well it's proxy war as a rule regarding arms trade
[14:42:26] <n1> it's just business... they have money to buy, and for a change we have something to sell
[14:42:38] <n1> and if we sell them enough, maybe they'll make some 'reforms' regarding human rights
[14:43:22] <MrBluze> well.. sorta
[14:43:29] <MrBluze> there is a greater end to it all
[14:43:49] <n1> which is?
[14:43:52] <MrBluze> but its getting so transparent the west is having trouble keeping any kind of pants-on moral high-ground
[14:44:11] <MrBluze> world domination
[14:44:13] <n1> i dont think they try and the moral high ground, they say the words
[14:44:22] <n1> but there's clearly no meaning behind them
[14:44:28] <MrBluze> any nation that refuses to accept an internationally controlled central bank gets invaded
[14:44:30] <n1> the only time there is, when it's about investment and business
[14:44:40] <n1> the rest of it is just very empty rhetoric about democracy and freedom
[14:44:55] <MrBluze> every country that tries to get economic independence gets targeted, that's the basic rule
[14:45:00] <n1> indeed
[14:45:02] <MrBluze> and reveals the game plan
[14:45:44] <MrBluze> so, russia / china are allies by this single attribute - brics basically, and according to old fashioned economic theory they are going to win
[14:45:45] <n1> their 'economic indepdendence' is ultra-nationalist and a threat to global stability and is against our economic interests
[14:46:03] <n1> so it's essentially state backed terrorism, for a nation to try and obtain economic independence
[14:46:38] <n1> you're shutting the doors to multinationals, and that's not allowed
[14:46:58] <MrBluze> well yeah
[14:47:06] <MrBluze> saddam went off the petrodollar
[14:47:21] <MrBluze> gadhafi had enough gold reserves and the central bank there was independent
[14:47:31] <MrBluze> and so on
[14:47:35] <n1> i think Putin even made the point that the US can't do shit, because we're all interconnected, so if they hurt Russia, they'll be hurting US interests just as much
[14:47:46] <MrBluze> well he'd say that
[14:48:03] <MrBluze> but the point is tho that, in judo, the weaker one wins by doing less
[14:48:20] <MrBluze> russia is used to running on a shoestring
[14:48:24] <MrBluze> but the west cannot do it
[14:48:27] <n1> indeed
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[14:48:40] <n1> and i don't think europe would be that impressed if russia turns off the gas tap
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[14:49:03] <MrBluze> indeed no
[14:49:14] <MrBluze> and UK won't be happy if scotland turns its taps off too
[14:49:18] <n1> resulting in some weeks ago the 'strong sanctions' against russia, which were some travel restrictions on high profile travel
[14:49:29] <n1> but made it very clear, trade and the stock markets would not be affected in any way
[14:49:37] <MrBluze> the disaster for the west could result from germany forming closer economic and political ties with russia
[14:49:43] <MrBluze> that will result in a war if it occurs
[14:49:56] <n1> i don't think that's likely to happen
[14:50:13] <n1> but i dont know the german perspective
[14:50:32] <MrBluze> .. they want germany to break ties
[14:50:43] <MrBluze> if this does not occur, the ties will only strengthen
[14:50:48] <n1> i know the UK is very friendly with Russia, if you ignore the empty words and look at the reality.
[14:51:59] <n1> the russians are helping support our housing bubble and invest quite a lot into british financial services, and 'donate' to the UK political parties
[14:53:41] <n1> they also apparently like using our court system
[14:54:02] <n1> court/legal
[14:54:31] <MrBluze> but the english/us banking system is tied
[14:54:44] <MrBluze> and if they are isolated from russia/china there will be war
[14:54:56] <xlefay> The corrupt politicians however, are the problem, as long as they exists will 'donating' make sense. And since Politicians are human and are so corrupt able as anyone else (depending on one's personal beliefs and how strongly one feels about it); I think the human race would first destroy itself before the chances of corruption is zilch
[14:55:03] <MrBluze> that's the real cause of wars usually - financial spheres of influence
[14:55:29] <MrBluze> yep xlefay that's why it won't stop
[14:55:43] <xlefay> So our objective should be simple. Kill all humans.
[14:55:58] <n1> heh
[14:56:14] <xlefay> n1, I'm joking, obviously
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[14:56:26] <xlefay> _although_ it'd take care of the corruption problem and every other problem!
[14:56:41] <n1> maybe
[14:56:53] <n1> I cant avoid the feeling sometimes, that the world would be far better off without us
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[14:57:39] <MrBluze> we're nothing on the world
[14:57:42] <MrBluze> a speck
[14:57:51] <SoyCow6318> Specks
[14:57:51] <xlefay> The truth is, as long as we keep using the current "legal" systems and such, nothing will ever really change
[14:57:52] <MrBluze> no need to worry about it
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[14:58:11] <n1> i'm not talking about that we're killing the world or some environmental thing
[14:58:56] <MrBluze> so who is us then
[14:59:10] <n1> just that we destroy what we can, and we'd destroy more if we could, if we saw some value in it, we consume and consume, and we fight each other over who has the right to consume the most
[14:59:22] <xlefay> !grab n1
[14:59:22] <deadbeef> Added quote 149
[14:59:23] <MrBluze> consume yes
[14:59:24] <MrBluze> but remember conservation of mass
[14:59:34] <xlefay> That might be the very first quote I made that actually means something and isn't funny!
[14:59:35] <n1> the urban sprawls are uninspiring and depressing
[14:59:41] <MrBluze> if u spurt CO2 into the atmosphere, it will eventually be recaptured
[14:59:45] <xlefay> n1, it's true
[14:59:52] <MrBluze> into an ever growing biomass
[15:00:52] <MrBluze> it can all go either way
[15:01:33] <n1> i havn't lost hope, but i'm not seeing the direction changing
[15:01:38] <n1> while we're always chasing profit and growth
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[15:02:10] <MrBluze> if the US wins the war against the east, then there will be changes
[15:02:26] <MrBluze> there will be excess population reduction everywhere
[15:03:39] <MrBluze> but if they did it now then they'd lose
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[15:05:02] * Brylarke reads up
[15:05:11] * Brylarke gets depressed
[15:05:43] <MrBluze> yeah it's depressing
[15:05:49] <n1> good chat, MrBluze, but as Brylarke, depressing also
[15:05:52] <n1> bbs
[15:06:03] <crutchy> damn xlefay and his artist recommendations: https://www.youtube.com
[15:06:19] <MrBluze> well the light defeats the darkness.. truth unravels the plans of the wicked
[15:06:36] <MrBluze> and the whistleblowers are the heroes of our time
[15:06:48] <xlefay> crutchy, yiruma is pretty awesome ;D
[15:07:02] <xlefay> s/yi/Yi/
[15:07:02] <SedBot> <xlefay> crutchy, Yiruma is pretty awesome ;D
[15:07:22] <Woods> Crutchy: Yesssss.... now I have something to listen to for 6 hours.
[15:07:46] <MrBluze> gnite everyone
[15:07:50] <MrBluze> early start tomorrow :)
[15:07:50] <xlefay> G'night MrBluze
[15:08:44] <MrBluze> nite xlefay
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[15:12:44] <TK> Shouldn't it be MrBluzzze?
[15:17:31] * weeds reading current conversation
[15:21:23] <weeds> Mankind may not survive, but the earth will. We are but a blink of an eye on earth's time frame. in the millennia to come, she won't even remember us.
[15:22:30] <crutchy> night mrbluze
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[15:27:02] <Brylarke> I dunno
[15:27:17] <Brylarke> I'm sure we can find some way of blowing it apart
[15:27:21] <Woods> Weeds: Then we will _make_ her remember us... *Puts on sunglasses and walks away from multiple nuclear explosions*
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[15:32:16] <Woods> Did I kill the chat? Sorry guys.
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[15:37:43] <weeds> Woods: that's a good image - I see kind of a men in black look and the explosions in the background. But really, in the time frames we are talking about, even that won't matter.
[15:38:05] <Woods> mmhmm, indeed it will not.
[15:38:38] <TK> Blowing it up may be a stretch. Unless we use an earthquake machine
[15:39:38] <TK> If we bomb ourselves to oblivion, future (reptilian?) paleontologists will wonder why there was such a massive die-off, followed by a rapid period of evolution
[15:39:54] <TK> and fish fossils with three eyes
[15:40:31] <weeds> TK: :)
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[15:46:09] <TK> I don't remember the breakdown of kingdom, phylum, genus, etc.
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[15:46:29] <TK> Which branch of kingdom animalia will become the next rulers of earth?
[15:46:32] <TK> Taking all bets
[15:46:45] <Woods> Bears.
[15:47:15] <TK> 2:11 odds on bears
[15:47:42] <TK> Do I hear cockroaches?
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[15:48:33] <xlefay> Sure
[15:49:24] <TK> 1:3 odds on cockroaches and their descendents
[15:49:46] <TK> Must be alive at the time to claim your winnings
[15:50:05] <xlefay> rofl ;-)
[15:50:18] <n1> in that case, you should be offering better odds.
[15:50:32] <TK> animalia is a big kingdom
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[15:54:38] <SirFinkus> bacteria
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[15:58:50] <TK> Animal kingdom only
[15:59:05] <TK> Unless you want to bet that no one survives
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[16:01:34] <SirFinkus> ants
[16:01:35] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Manufacturing Industrial Quantities of Graphene - http://sylnt.us
[16:02:07] <Brylarke> Cats
[16:02:39] <Brylarke> They are just biding their time, studying us and learning from our mistakes
[16:03:17] <TK> 1:4 on ants
[16:03:42] <TK> If they can get their shit together and stop all the infighting
[16:04:08] <TK> 1:12 on cats
[16:04:30] <TK> bears > cats
[16:04:45] <xlefay> Politicians.. they oughta be around then, after all, they'll be the ones selling us out
[16:06:04] <TK> 1:8 on reptilian politicians
[16:06:20] <xlefay> TK++ :)
[16:06:20] <deadbeef> karma - tk: 2
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[16:10:41] <SoyGnu> i gotta say, im impressed so far with soylent content
[16:11:07] <Woods> I am willing to take full credit.
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[16:15:13] <weeds> Insecta -no contest!
[16:16:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> somebody taught a bonobo how to make a fire to roast marshmallows
[16:16:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> and chimpanzees have been observed eating meat more and more often
[16:16:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> so my money's on non-human primates.
[16:16:35] <TK> I'll be impressed when they teach a bonobo to make a factory that makes marshmallows
[16:17:09] <Woods> I will be more impressed when that bonobo learns to make a factory that makes ROASTED marshmallows.
[16:17:32] <TK> 1:100 on simians
[16:17:34] <Woods> Roasted marshmallow jelly beans do not count.
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[16:18:11] <TK> MrBluze: what're you banking on
[16:18:43] <TK> insects in general: 3:5
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[16:49:47] <Blackmoore> I think I'l put down something on Crows/ravens it's risky. no hands and all
[16:52:21] <weeds> AndyTheAbsurd: Non human primates will be wiped out by the nukes or other global disaster that wipes out mankind. The insects, on the other hand...
[16:53:45] <Woods> I think I want to change my choice from bears to crows. Blackmoore is on to something there. Those things are sneaky clever.
[16:58:28] <Blackmoore> i can't bet on the cockraoches. they fit too well as a scavenger. they have no reason to evolve
[16:58:40] <stderr> Weird... The department I'm working for at uni. is looking for people who wants to be tortured for 30 minutes...
[16:59:02] <Woods> Stderr: For monies?
[16:59:08] <stderr> Oh, you get a bottle of red wine, if you sign up...
[16:59:10] <Blackmoore> that is funny. I thought that classes go for longer times
[16:59:29] <Woods> Booze for pain, nice.
[16:59:39] <stderr> Quoting the email: "In connection with the research project CoSound, we are evaluating the
[16:59:39] <stderr> emotional content in the Eurovision Song Contest songs.
[16:59:39] <stderr> We are looking for about 50 participants who can help us listen to and rank
[16:59:39] <stderr> a subset of songs on a specific emotion scale. The experiment will last
[16:59:39] <stderr> around 30 minutes."
[16:59:42] <Brylarke> Do you get the booze before or after?
[16:59:57] <Brylarke> That is a dealbreaker
[17:00:55] <stderr> Brylarke: As I wrote to one of my friends: I would need to get more than one bottle (and a corkscrew) a while before the test starts.
[17:06:50] <Blackmoore> ah, torture by music. yes, I'll sign up.. and i'll be the guy who breaks the test.
[17:06:56] <Cyprus> i'm thinking wildlings. The crows are screwed
[17:06:59] <stderr> I wonder if I can sign someone else up for the test and still get the bottle of wine... Win-win...
[17:08:27] <stderr> After a couple of bottles: I wonder if I can sign someone else up for the test and still get the bottle of win... Wine-wine...
[17:11:27] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Thorium-Powered Cars - http://sylnt.us - how-many-miles-per-gram?
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[17:22:15] <TK> The specific question was "Which branch of kingdom animalia will become the next rulers of earth?"
[17:22:30] <TK> They don't necessarily need to be a sentient, tool-using species to rule
[17:22:38] <TK> Dinosaurs did alright without tools
[17:25:40] <stderr> Yersinia Pestis does pretty well without tools too...
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[17:25:56] <stderr> But ok, that's not an animal.
[17:30:28] <Blackmoore> lots of animals use tools
[17:31:06] <Blackmoore> there isn't anyway we can qualify if dinosaurs used rocks or sticks as tools.
[17:31:28] <Blackmoore> dominant lifeform on the planet at the time. absolutly
[17:31:28] <TK> I guess that's fair
[17:31:33] <TK> yes
[17:31:46] <Blackmoore> but not "intelegent" per say
[17:31:51] <TK> Maybe we could settle on "top of the food chain"
[17:32:38] <TK> If roaches become a swarming, meat-eating locust-like problem, I would call them the winners
[17:32:53] <Blackmoore> mm. that's tough. are we assuming the climate is hoter? wetter?
[17:32:57] <TK> Basically pirahna beetles
[17:35:27] <Blackmoore> see - i have to think about the climate if it doesnt change, I'm betting on Crows.
[17:36:32] <Blackmoore> if it does change.. well that can be odd. too cold and the birds get forced to the equator. whatever dominates has to be a cold climate creature
[17:37:10] <Blackmoore> too hot, and Lizards and birds dominate - after a brief period of insectoids.
[17:37:26] <Blackmoore> (then then get consumed as food)
[17:37:32] <SirFinkus> Jellyfish
[17:38:02] <TK> I could see it
[17:38:20] <SirFinkus> they're already taking over the oceans a bit due to overfishing
[17:38:23] <TK> once all the large sea turtles are gone
[17:39:56] <Blackmoore> bah. jellyfish are lunch to whaterev lives in the bottom of the pacific.
[17:42:10] <Blackmoore> giant squids. cthulu..
[17:42:17] <SirFinkus> according to wikipedia, the biggest predators of jellyfish are other jellyfish
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[17:42:48] <SirFinkus> tuna too, but we're probably going to run out of those
[17:43:41] <n1> they're so tasty though!
[17:44:13] <SirFinkus> which is why we're running out of them
[17:46:14] <TK> And the biggest predators of dinosaurs were dinosaurs. They've already taken over!
[17:48:22] <SirFinkus> the biggest predator of dinosaurs was a meteorite
[17:48:28] <stderr> Blackmoore: If we're thinking outside the box and mention Cthulhu, we could also say "the greys".
[17:49:27] <SirFinkus> "A meteorite's size can range from small to extremely large" gee, thanks wikipedia
[17:51:46] <TK> Is it only a meteor when it's in our atmosphere?
[17:51:53] <stderr> Playing Music/Metallica/Ride_The_Lightning/08_-_The_Call_Of_Ktulu.flac.
[17:52:31] <SirFinkus> no, then it's a meteoroid
[17:52:44] <SirFinkus> that's why I was on wikipedia, I wanted to make sure I used the correct term
[17:53:23] <SirFinkus> it's a meteor if it burns up in the atmosphere
[17:53:59] <TK> So what do you call an asteroid that breaches our atmosphere?
[17:54:19] <stderr> TK: "A big problem"?
[17:54:25] <Blackmoore> .. um anything it wants to be called?
[17:54:40] <SirFinkus> a meteoroid, until it hits the ground, then it's a meteorite
[17:55:39] <TK> themoreyouknow.gif
[17:56:12] <SirFinkus> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[17:56:14] <SirFinkus> I want one
[17:56:39] <xlefay> I want a cookie.
[17:57:08] <SirFinkus> 🍪
[17:57:12] <SirFinkus> there you go
[17:57:22] <xlefay> That doesn't even show up here properly lol
[17:57:29] <xlefay> just a block'
[17:57:38] <SirFinkus> well, it's a cookie, take my word for it
[17:57:53] <xlefay> hmm.. *respectfully rejects weird looking cookies*
[17:58:35] <SirFinkus> probably a good idea, you don't really know me very well
[17:58:42] <stderr> "It's a trap!"... It's probably that weird poop character.
[17:59:19] <xlefay> stderr, I was thinking the same thing
[17:59:32] <stderr> http://www.fileformat.info
[17:59:45] <SirFinkus> well the "missing glyph" character on some os looks kind of like a rectangular chocolate chip cookies
[17:59:48] <SirFinkus> forgot which one
[17:59:57] <xlefay> oh wait.. t's actually a cookie
[17:59:58] <xlefay> http://www.fileformat.info
[17:59:58] <stderr> http://www.fileformat.info
[18:00:01] <stderr> :-)
[18:00:19] * xlefay is debating whether to eat said cookie or not..
[18:00:28] <xlefay> I'm sure it's laced with bad stuff or worse!
[18:01:13] <stderr> More cookies: strings ~/.Xauthority
[18:01:43] <stderr> xlefay: "May contain traces of bits"
[18:01:57] <stderr> Or worse: Atoms!
[18:01:59] <SirFinkus> well, it borrows the first byte from the pile of poop character
[18:02:01] <Woods> Bits of bytes.
[18:02:11] * SirFinkus doesn't really know if that's true, but it sounds funny
[18:03:22] <stderr> SirFinkus: Depends... Is it stored as big-endian or little-endian?
[18:04:31] <SirFinkus> hmm, good question
[18:05:16] <SirFinkus> I really should read Gulliver's Travels again, you've reminded me
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[18:10:41] <stderr> SirFinkus: http://www.gutenberg.org or http://www.gutenberg.org
[18:11:00] <SirFinkus> well, I have a physical copy
[18:11:11] <stderr> Uh, dead tree...
[18:11:46] <SirFinkus> well, ebooks weren't a thing when I got it
[18:17:36] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
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[18:17:53] <SirFinkus> well, I know how I'm spending my next half hour
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[18:30:27] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Animations of Simulated Cell Insides - http://sylnt.us - too-small-to-see
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[19:11:10] <SirFinkus> Welp, Kiev is restarting their "anti-terrorist" operation
[19:17:28] <SirFinkus> holy shit, the militia has "captured" an American reporter
[19:20:15] <xlefay> Great, can that reporter please write a report about it?
[19:21:07] <SirFinkus> his last video https://www.youtube.com
[19:21:16] <SirFinkus> granted, it's only vice
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[19:22:25] <Cmn32480> anybody else having issues replying to the email for the first name vote?
[19:23:15] <xlefay> I'm not participating myself but may I ask, what kind of issue are you experiencing?
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[19:24:05] <Cmn32480> Mostly I think that Yahoo sucks... but it is that because of the number of links and domain names, it will not let me send it
[19:24:40] <Cmn32480> Can I copy and paste into another email address and still ahve it count?
[19:25:29] <xlefay> Cmn32480, I believe it does, because the vote ID is all that matters (afaik); if you do that, I'll contact the person responsible for the vote and ask to confirm your vote went through if you like
[19:25:50] <Cmn32480> That'd be swell. I'll send it over shortly.
[19:25:57] <xlefay> (and, relay that message back to you via e-mail, or otherwise, via IRC if you're here, you can also reply on the voting poll if you like)
[19:26:02] <Cmn32480> Thanks xlefay
[19:26:18] <xlefay> If you want me to do it, leave your e-mail in my PM (I'm staff, in case you want to confirm /whois xlefay should prove that) ;)
[19:27:00] <Cmn32480> I know you are staff. Everybody point the finger at you when stuff goes wrong. ;-)
[19:27:08] <mrcoolbp> that does happen
[19:27:19] <Woods> I think someone reported a Yahoo issue yesterday as well.
[19:27:33] <xlefay> Cmn32480, I'll spread the blame equally amongst the staff ;-)
[19:27:41] <mrcoolbp> Cmn32480: I think you can just delete all the names you don't want to vote for
[19:27:42] <Cmn32480> I'm not alone? Wow... so this is what it feels like!
[19:27:55] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: thanks!
[19:28:07] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, hey, we're all in this together, best to share no? :)
[19:28:13] <mrcoolbp> sharing is caring
[19:28:21] <xlefay> Exactly :P
[19:28:39] <Cmn32480> Which one of you gets to be the big spoon?
[19:28:44] <Woods> This is the internet Cmn32580, you are never alone.
[19:28:51] <Woods> I do, since I am the new guy.
[19:28:57] <xlefay> Cmn32480, so where would you like to be contact via (I'd hate to see you leave and unable to confirm you're vote went through)
[19:29:05] <SirFinkus> vmware has sent me 6 emails inviting me to "VMware Desktop & App Virtualization Seminars"
[19:29:09] <SirFinkus> 3 in the past hour
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[19:29:34] <xlefay> SirFinkus, stuff like that happens to me all the time.. even SN e-mails me 3 or 4 times.. guess those test accounts should be deleted or smth
[19:29:36] <SirFinkus> and a "Get the eco-friendly power of virtualization with Workstation 10 and save 20%" email
[19:29:37] <Cmn32480> I'll keep IRC open for a few hours at least until 5pm Eastern
[19:30:41] <xlefay> Ok, but please PM me your voting ID then (otherwise I can't ask the guys in charge of the vote to confirm it hehe) [I wouldn't recommend posting it in the channel.. because someone else might vote for you!]
[19:30:42] <Blackmoore|afk> YAhoo seems to think that the email from soylent is spam.
[19:31:01] <Blackmoore|afk> I had to start a new email to reply
[19:31:01] <xlefay> Blackmoore|afk, can you imagine with the ~ hundred domain names in the e-mail? ;)
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[19:32:26] <Blackmoore> and then it turns out i read the damn voting instructions backwards.
[19:32:32] <Cmn32480> I must say, the staff here has been rather exceptional at addressing things directly to the community.
[19:32:33] <Blackmoore> ah well.
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[19:33:10] <xlefay> Blackmoore, I'm afraid that happens to a lot of people. :(
[19:33:12] <SirFinkus> lol me too Blackmoore
[19:33:18] <mrcoolbp> Cmn32480: We are trying
[19:33:26] <Blackmoore> yeah. I'm not suprised.
[19:33:44] <weeds> There it was, in the Yahoo spam folder!
[19:33:50] <SirFinkus> the entire thing was one of the stranger processes I've participated in
[19:34:05] <Blackmoore> Although now I think my vote doesn't include my id number. grr.
[19:34:05] <SirFinkus> it almost seemed like a prompt for a programming test or something
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[19:34:20] <Blackmoore> i feel like i failed a turning test.
[19:34:41] <Blackmoore> *sob* I knw i was a poorly written AI!
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[19:37:15] <mrcoolbp> speaking of programming and bots ^
[19:39:58] <Subsentient> heh
[19:40:23] <aqu4> zzzzznnork... huh? what'd I miss?
[19:40:42] <Blackmoore> moo
[19:40:51] <Blackmoore> aw. no bacon.
[19:41:09] <aqu4> <o^[=====]----
[19:41:16] <aqu4> | |
[19:41:53] <aqu4> <o^[=====]----
[19:41:55] <aqu4> ` | |
[19:42:01] <aqu4> ` | |
[19:42:05] <aqu4> <o^[=====]----
[19:42:06] <aqu4> ` | |
[19:42:33] <aqu4> Blackmoore: squeek
[19:44:58] <Woods> Is that a.... Are those mice?
[19:45:19] <xlefay> sheep ready for slaughter?
[19:45:25] <aqu4> Woods: No, they're talking toilet onions.
[19:47:18] <Woods> Ah
[19:47:31] <Woods> I should have known.
[19:51:28] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Golf Courses Experiment With Pizza-Size Holes - http://sylnt.us - no-pizza-was-harmed
[19:59:25] <Blackmoore> damn toilet onions.
[19:59:37] <arti> what
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[20:19:37] <Blackmoore> no idea.
[20:19:41] <Blackmoore> blame the bot
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[20:36:00] <aqu4> <o^[=====]----
[20:36:02] <aqu4> ` | |
[20:38:17] <aqu4> <o^[=====]------
[20:38:23] <aqu4> ` / |
[20:38:36] * Subsentient has achieved ASCII rat perfection
[20:38:38] n1 is now known as n1|away
[20:46:38] <mrcoolbp|afk> or...
[20:46:42] <mrcoolbp|afk> <°°^( )---'
[20:46:43] <mrcoolbp|afk> ` / |
[20:46:52] <mrcoolbp|afk> or something....
[20:47:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...
[20:48:04] <mrcoolbp|afk> Subsentient ^^
[20:48:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> this might not work, gonna try it anyway.
[20:48:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> ________________________________________
[20:48:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> < mrcoolbp|afk is not good at ASCII art. >
[20:48:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> ----------------------------------------
[20:48:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ ^__^
[20:48:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ (oo)\_______
[20:48:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> (__)\ )\/\
[20:48:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> ||----w |
[20:48:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> || ||
[20:48:27] <mrcoolbp|afk> andy, it was better than his....
[20:48:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> yay, I fixed it so that the pipe didn't fuck it up!
[20:48:32] <mrcoolbp|afk> yours looks like a cow
[20:48:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> mrcoolbp|afk: it's the program "cowsay"
[20:48:44] <mrcoolbp|afk> = )
[20:48:51] <mrcoolbp|afk> ah
[20:49:18] * mrcoolbp|afk goes back to work
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[20:49:59] <xlefay> AndyTheAbsurd, cowsay `fortune`
[20:50:06] <xlefay> xcowfortune ftw
[20:51:04] * xlefay whines about the nose bleeding _again_ :|
[20:51:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> xlefay: in irssi: /exec - -o cowsay $(fortune)
[20:51:51] <xlefay> AndyTheAbsurd, in (he)xchat the exact same ;)
[20:52:05] <xlefay> except, the '-' so, /exec -o cowsay $(fortune) ;]
[20:52:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> the - isn't actually *necessary*
[20:52:56] <xlefay> I figured that much
[20:53:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> it just prevents (usually) unneeded result info from showing up in your control window
[20:53:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> I also do /exec - -o ~/tableflip.txt
[20:53:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> which looks like this:
[20:53:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[20:53:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> (there was supposed to be a cat in there)
[20:54:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> (damn cats, never staying where you put them)
[20:54:28] <xlefay> rofl
[20:55:40] <xlefay> _________________________________________
[20:55:40] <xlefay> / "Absolutely nothing should be concluded \
[20:55:40] <xlefay> | from these figures except that no |
[20:55:40] <xlefay> | conclusion can be drawn from them." (By |
[20:55:40] <xlefay> | Joseph L. Brothers, Linux/PowerPC |
[20:55:41] <xlefay> \ Project) /
[20:55:43] <xlefay> -----------------------------------------
[20:55:45] <xlefay> \ ^__^
[20:55:47] <xlefay> \ (**)\_______
[20:55:49] <xlefay> (__)\ )\/\
[20:55:51] <xlefay> U ||----w |
[20:55:53] <xlefay> || ||
[20:55:57] <xlefay> :o
[20:56:04] <Woods> Aw look, he has a litle tongue.
[20:56:45] <xlefay> I couldn't resist. cowsay has a few silly ones :p
[20:56:51] <xlefay> That's the "stone" version
[21:01:21] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - IBM Mainframe that Helped Send Men to the Moon - http://sylnt.us - and-now-reduced-to-the-size-of-a-wristwatch
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[22:20:20] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Prosocial Gamers - http://sylnt.us - didnt-ask-first-person-shooter-fanatics
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[22:27:12] <Blackmoore> oh for f sake who is this saustin?
[22:27:37] <Blackmoore> why why are you constantly logging in and out?!
[22:27:57] <Blackmoore> is there anyway i can hid him?
[22:28:12] <Woods> You can hide log in/out messages, but not just a particular person.
[22:28:29] <Blackmoore> geh fine. how do i do that?
[22:28:45] <Woods> There should be an option for it in your IRC client. What are you using?
[22:29:04] <Blackmoore> i'm in the firefox webclient
[22:29:30] <Woods> You can hit "Menu" in the top right, and then "options"
[22:29:43] <Woods> The "hide joins/parts" bit is what you are looking for.
[22:29:47] <Blackmoore> found it.
[22:30:04] <Woods> That should do the trick.
[22:30:18] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze?
[22:30:32] <MrBluze> hi mrcoolbp
[22:30:37] <MrBluze> im rushing off to work atm
[22:30:44] <mrcoolbp> I *JUST* sent you an email!
[22:30:47] <mrcoolbp> didn't see you in here
[22:30:47] <MrBluze> okay
[22:30:56] <MrBluze> email is ironically better in this case
[22:31:01] <MrBluze> ill check it later when i get time
[22:31:06] <mrcoolbp> understood, have a good day at work
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[22:42:35] <Teckla> saustin: Connection issues?
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[22:42:46] <Teckla> That would be yes.
[22:43:29] <mrcoolbp> lol
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[22:43:37] <mrcoolbp> saustin?
[22:43:40] <mrcoolbp> connection issues?
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[22:44:44] <mrcoolbp> and he's gone....
[22:45:29] <arti> hahaha
[22:46:02] <arti> maybe he just wants to highscore for connections
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[22:47:35] <mrcoolbp> "And the highscore for Connections goes to....SoyCow2863987.....sorry saustin_ you lost by 3 connections"
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[22:49:16] * arti should make an award for it
[22:49:18] <SoyCow2863987> Yay I won!
[22:49:32] * arti attaches a gold star to SoyCow2863987's ear
[22:49:40] <arti> it's totally not like a jew star
[22:49:42] <SoyCow2863987> oooooh shiny
[22:49:48] <SoyCow2863987> lol
[22:49:49] <arti> it has perks
[22:50:04] <arti> like... dried fruit and 10% off type stuff
[22:50:19] <SoyCow2863987> I'll take it = )
[22:50:21] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[22:50:25] <arti> = )
[22:50:47] <arti> greetings SirFinkus, we were just looking for someone to pay for our meal
[22:50:59] * SoyCow2863987 consoles saustin_
[22:51:10] <SirFinkus> oh darn, forgot my wallet
[22:51:17] * mrcoolbp hides
[22:51:18] <SirFinkus> not that there's anything in it anyway
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[22:52:27] <arti> you're just a masshole
[22:56:17] <mrcoolbp> yes I am
[22:56:21] <mrcoolbp> = )
[22:56:29] <arti> it's okay, i'm in california and we're super weird
[22:56:47] <mrcoolbp> acutally, of note, I'm significatly less asshole-ish then the avg person around this state
[22:57:03] <arti> hahaha
[22:57:25] * arti decides it is time to bring his bot here
[23:01:38] <Blackmoore> *shug*
[23:03:13] <mrcoolbp> shug? is that like the souther "Don't worry about it shug" ?
[23:03:21] <mrcoolbp> *southern*
[23:03:23] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:03:32] <arti> lol
[23:03:55] * arti sets mode +twang
[23:04:08] <arti> this here sug
[23:04:09] <arti> shug
[23:04:12] <arti> fek
[23:06:53] <TK> I always assumed it would be spelled "sug"
[23:06:55] <Woods> Geeze you guys, when you typo your typos, maybe you should just take a nap or something.
[23:06:59] <TK> but pronounced Shoog
[23:07:17] <TK> short for sugar, after all
[23:07:27] <aqu4> <o^[=====]------
[23:07:29] <aqu4> ` / |
[23:07:47] <TK> the rats are back
[23:07:54] <aqu4> <o^[=====]------
[23:07:56] <aqu4> ` / |
[23:08:18] <SirFinkus> 🐀
[23:08:34] * chromas demands a suppressor on that ^
[23:08:53] * Subsentient sees a binary symbol with valie 0x01f400
[23:09:03] * arti sees a string of text
[23:09:14] <arti> greetings Subsentient
[23:09:20] <Subsentient> arti: hi!
[23:09:26] <arti> :D
[23:09:29] <Subsentient> Was just leaving, but, I'll leave you with this before I go.
[23:09:35] <Subsentient> https://github.com
[23:09:44] <TK> |\_/|
[23:09:45] <TK> / @ @ \
[23:09:48] <TK> ( > º < )
[23:09:49] * arti hopes it's something awesome
[23:09:51] <TK> `>>x<<´
[23:09:54] <TK> / O \
[23:09:56] <arti> if you're going to breakwind and bail, i will smite you
[23:10:04] <arti> looks like alvin
[23:10:05] <chromas> catsmission interrupted
[23:10:06] <TK> I think you killed the cat
[23:10:23] <TK> That explains why all these rats are here.
[23:10:27] <arti> indeed!
[23:10:28] <TK> It's all arti's fault
[23:10:42] <arti> they scream when i cut them, they scream when i stop, there is no justice
[23:11:57] <Blackmoore> *needs a nap*
[23:12:15] <aqu4> <o^[=====]------
[23:12:17] <aqu4> ` / |
[23:13:09] <Subsentient> Well g2g
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[23:13:16] <Blackmoore> guys- Yahoo has flagged the VOTE address as spam, and will not allow anyone to send email to it.
[23:13:32] <mrcoolbp> audioguy ^^^^
[23:15:12] <Blackmoore> at very least you cant replay to the vote email
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[23:16:14] <TK> thanks arti, thanks for that, enjoy your plague germs
[23:16:15] <Blackmoore> i had issue with it yesterday, but freesword is trying to send in his vote now
[23:16:30] * arti o.o
[23:16:31] <SirFinkus> I don't understand why there can't just be a poll that only shows up for people signed up for the vote
[23:16:34] <TK> I'm going to go buy some ascii rat traps
[23:16:39] * arti pets tk
[23:16:41] <mrcoolbp> hah
[23:16:44] <TK> prrrr
[23:16:52] <Blackmoore> Error sending message Your message was not sent Suspicious activity was detected on your account. To protect your account and those fo our users, your message was not sent. Please follow the guidelines outlined on our help page to resume sending mail. We apologize for the inconvenience.
[23:16:56] <SirFinkus> it seems like the email is more work for everyone
[23:17:00] * arti gets out the string and wiggles it excitingly
[23:17:08] <Blackmoore> ah yahoo.
[23:17:20] <TK> *swoosh*
[23:17:23] <TK> *bat*
[23:17:29] <SirFinkus> it's better than a silent failure Blackmoore
[23:17:38] <stderr> SirFinkus: I was looking into a way to use the Devotee perl module from SlashCode.
[23:17:46] <arti> silent failure is best in the professional realm >.>
[23:17:52] <mrcoolbp> that's what you get for yusing ymail = )
[23:18:59] <SirFinkus> so they're building houses behind mine and I can't walk around naked in the sunshine anymore
[23:19:12] <SirFinkus> without getting arrested that is
[23:19:12] <Blackmoore> can "vote" send back a confimation email?
[23:19:17] <TK> major boner
[23:19:19] <TK> I mean bummer
[23:19:37] <SirFinkus> there has to be a guy with the last name "boner"
[23:19:41] <SirFinkus> who's a major
[23:20:03] <arti> ITS PRONOUNCED BONNER
[23:20:15] <arti> a life time of corrections
[23:20:19] <Blackmoore> *pats on head* of course it is
[23:20:24] <TK> Or a private named Erikson who slurs
[23:20:24] <arti> "why is your name so hard?"
[23:20:42] <SirFinkus> also, bummer is hardly an improvement if you think about it
[23:20:42] <TK> Private erikshun at attention!
[23:20:53] <Woods> Arti: lawl
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[23:33:46] <mrcoolbp> "And the highscore for Connections goes to... saustin_ you you're now on top!
[23:35:25] <Blackmoore> he hasnt said word one for two days
[23:35:54] <Blackmoore> i expect it is a bot logging our chat.
[23:36:00] <juggs> words++
[23:36:00] <deadbeef> karma - words: 3
[23:36:30] <mrcoolbp> someone tell him there's an actual log FFS
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[23:39:56] <SirFinkus> I thought it was annoying to people when I'd dc and reconnect every hour or so
[23:40:04] <arti> g'oop crutchy
[23:40:16] <arti> SirFinkus: once i had my router set to renew the lease every hour.
[23:40:22] <arti> it was pretty annoying discovering that
[23:40:25] * crutchy salutes
[23:40:35] * arti offers peppered smoked meat
[23:40:43] <SirFinkus> my idlerpg took a hit for that little issue
[23:40:50] <arti> i think it was beef, could be roadkill, it's peppered though
[23:40:56] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: you can send the email from any other email address, just include the text
[23:41:13] <arti> SirFinkus: we must keep ar disconnected for at least 8 days
[23:41:41] <xlefay> arti, probably less, considering the disconnect will penalize him too.. but still, better be safe than sorry, no? ;)
[23:41:50] <xlefay> mornin' crutchy
[23:41:51] <SirFinkus> well, I'm well out of the running anyway
[23:41:59] <crutchy> how you doin?
[23:42:01] <arti> greetings dutchman
[23:42:04] <SirFinkus> unless I steal something cool
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[23:42:40] <arti> i keep hovering around the same spot
[23:42:47] * arti keeps getting 2 hours added here and there
[23:43:06] <xlefay> just tried to sleep for the past hour and a half.. didn't work :~/
[23:43:06] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: you can send the email from any other email address, just copy the enitre text of the email
[23:43:14] <xlefay> How are you guys?
[23:43:32] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: that stinks man
[23:43:35] * arti is addressing rough edges of a design
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[23:43:45] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, yea
[23:43:46] <arti> xlefay: too much caffeine?
[23:44:05] * arti recommends a glass of wine
[23:44:16] <arti> put on some relaxing music and read
[23:44:34] * arti suggests shades of grey
[23:44:38] <mrcoolbp> lol
[23:44:38] <arti> hahaha
[23:44:43] <xlefay> haha :P
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[23:44:59] <arti> brought to you by the letter B and Poopie Finger
[23:45:19] <crutchy> first coffee stime. still half asleep
[23:45:33] <xlefay> Also, I've finally found the culprit of my OOM problems with Ubuntu.. it was Flash!
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[23:45:59] <xlefay> saustin_, a bit annoying eh?
[23:46:19] <crutchy> fess up xlefay... you were trying to stick toast in the cd drive again weren't you :-P
[23:46:19] <xlefay> crutchy, enjoy :)
[23:46:42] <xlefay> nah, other toast is blocking it already :-(
[23:47:32] <xlefay> I did try alternatives, such as, soap.. didn't quite work out the way I had planned!
[23:48:19] <chromas> KY jelly
[23:48:23] <juggs> xlefay, well that's a surprise.... flash (plugin) seems to have a habit of running around gobbling up all available memory on Ubuntu. Don't seem to get the same problem on Mint though which is odd being a derivative and all.
[23:48:23] <chromas> makes the toast go in smooth
[23:48:24] <xlefay> hmm, I should try that
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[23:48:40] <chromas> especially for the back port
[23:50:04] <Blackmoore> mrcoolbp: I've passed the message to freesword. he's sending it in
[23:50:13] <mrcoolbp> awesome, thanks
[23:50:14] <xlefay> juggs, I've never had that problem on any distro (well, not recently anyway).. no biggie I don't like flash anyway, so just disabled it, but it was extremely annoying.
[23:50:32] <xlefay> chromas, I will try that tomorrow, much appreciated buddy
[23:50:39] <xlefay> How's fish working for ya?
[23:51:34] <chromas> It's awesome, thanks!
[23:52:06] <xlefay> chromas, glad it's working out, it's pretty intuitive ^^
[23:52:29] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Promotes Network to Foil Digital Spying - http://sylnt.us - nsa-approved-afdb
[23:52:45] * pbnjoe looks at xlefay's class on irpg
[23:52:46] <xlefay> The only thing I miss is !! substitution and such but I suppose, that's a trade you make :)
[23:52:51] * xlefay ducks
[23:52:52] * pbnjoe goes off to hunt him down
[23:52:59] <chromas> I did have to change emulation mode in ConnectBot for the powerline part to work right. There don't seem to be any docs but screen mode (and screen itself) break it by default
[23:53:26] <xlefay> chromas, auch; guess it's working now, but did you tried tmux?
[23:53:53] <xlefay> pbnjoe, you can't find me, after all, I'm a Canadian infiltrator, we're invincible & generally invisible.
[23:54:05] <chromas> No. Looks like an alternative to screen?
[23:54:30] <xlefay> chromas, yeah, some prefer tmux over screen because you can split windows and such
[23:54:39] <chromas> nice
[23:54:43] <pbnjoe> xlefay :p
[23:54:47] <xlefay> pbnjoe, how's you?
[23:55:17] <pbnjoe> I's good, and will be back in about 20min to chat
[23:55:25] <pbnjoe> hope everyone's doing well
[23:55:37] <xlefay> pbnjoe, we were discussing Canadians secretly plotting every major event in the US, and such.. hence, the class name.
[23:56:20] <xlefay> (in #staff that was...)
[23:56:22] <chromas> They do seem to have a monopoly on dubbed anime here
[23:56:33] <chromas> I guess that's why they always gasp weird
[23:57:19] <xlefay> chromas, well.. it makes sense doesn't it? When someone looks to nice to be true, it usually is so, no? :)
[23:57:33] <arti> dubbed animu
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[23:57:41] <arti> "Hey there Takahishiromata!"
[23:57:46] <arti> ^- extra white pronunciation
[23:57:47] <xlefay> which makes every Canadian, especially pbnjoe, suspect.
[23:57:59] <chromas> So like, the USA must be secretly awesomely nice in private
[23:58:00] <xlefay> _especially_
[23:58:02] <arti> xlefay: they're a bunch of smug bastards
[23:58:28] <arti> which i guess is better than being fat
[23:58:35] * arti points to 'murica
[23:58:43] <xlefay> lol xD
[23:58:55] * xlefay hopes pbnjoe knows we're joking
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[23:59:13] <juggs> pride before the fall
[23:59:50] <arti> is that some sorta of san fran parade?