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[00:04:26] <SirFinkus> I always meant beta was supposed to mean "feature complete, but not fully tested yet"
[00:04:30] <SirFinkus> but it means something else now
[00:04:35] <SirFinkus> more of a marketing term now
[00:04:59] <chromas> I was using it in the slashdot sense :-)
[00:05:22] <SirFinkus> I was making a wider commentary
[00:06:16] <chromas> Maybe it's for the hipsters. "Oooh, beta! That menas I get to use it then hate it before everybody else"
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[00:32:50] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Electric "Thinking Cap" Helps People - http://sylnt.us - lern-from-yur-errers
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[01:40:38] <Subsentient> why is everyone using sylnt.us instead of soylentnews.org? The latter is easier to type for me.
[01:42:37] <arti> maybe they like it silent... /gotnothing
[01:44:03] * Subsentient is trying to decide whether or not to actually work on parallel tasks in the Epoch Init System, since the current single-task model is very clean and small and easy to maintain
[01:44:26] <arti> make the fork
[01:44:32] <Subsentient> ?
[01:44:42] <Subsentient> arti: ?
[01:44:44] <arti> keep the easy working one, and experiment with the other
[01:44:52] <Subsentient> hmm
[01:44:53] <arti> the compare to systemd
[01:44:59] <arti> write blog posts about it
[01:45:01] <arti> 3) profit
[01:45:17] <Subsentient> arti: I **could** use a tester for git/master's multi-config-file support.
[01:45:22] * Subsentient eyes arti
[01:45:48] * Subsentient notes you don't have to obliterate systemd to try it out
[01:47:16] <Subsentient> arti: For easter I am prepared to give you the gift of slightly faster boot time and memory savings!
[01:47:29] * arti is presently installing debian on a vm
[01:47:43] <Subsentient> arti: Just for Epoch!? :^D
[01:47:45] <chromas> Subsentient: dondidn't I see you have a distro of your own that uses epoch? I should try it in a vm
[01:48:02] <Subsentient> chromas: It's download process is very slow, but sure yeah if you want :^)
[01:48:13] <chromas> I made a editing error. I promise I don't work for /.
[01:48:14] <arti> no, just coincidence
[01:48:37] <arti> chromas: did you type shit instead of this?
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[01:48:49] <Subsentient> chromas: http://universe2.us
[01:49:00] <Subsentient> Contact me when you boot the ISO and I'll guide you through the install
[01:49:14] <chromas> No torrent?
[01:49:23] <chromas> 2.5 minutes eta
[01:49:32] <Subsentient> The installer was good for the old and new versions of SubLinux, so I didn't rebuild it when I built the new SubLinux 2.
[01:50:01] <Subsentient> Interestingly the filesystem layout however is significantly different.
[01:50:13] <chromas> Does it have a C:\ ?
[01:50:15] <chromas> :-D
[01:50:33] <Subsentient> chromas: No, but there is no /sbin or /usr/sbin, or even /usr/local/sbin
[01:50:39] <Subsentient> there is just /usr/sbin >> /usr/bin
[01:50:52] <Subsentient> sbin is a symlink to bin
[01:51:02] <chromas> Well I've rarely run without /usr so
[01:51:17] <Subsentient> Pretty much eliminates the need for the 'which' program though, lol
[01:51:34] <Subsentient> chromas: This distro is explicitly built for my tastes.
[01:51:37] <Subsentient> That's the thing.
[01:51:46] <chromas> You said "tastes", with an "a", right?
[01:51:51] <Subsentient> You'll hate it unless you like XFCE
[01:51:55] <Subsentient> yes
[01:52:03] <Subsentient> lol
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[01:52:17] <chromas> xfce's alright but I was thinking I could run it on my server, which right now is just postgresql and quassel
[01:52:18] <Subsentient> ..because there is a lot of XFCE
[01:52:33] <Subsentient> chromas: You mean SubLinux?
[01:52:39] <chromas> Yeah
[01:52:41] <Subsentient> It's built as a desktop system.
[01:52:46] <chromas> too bad
[01:52:56] <Subsentient> It's ill-suited for servers, and it's not been patched for heartbleed yet
[01:53:06] <Subsentient> I didn't even build in CUPS
[01:53:10] <Subsentient> so don't even try to print
[01:53:12] * Subsentient doesn't print
[01:53:23] <chromas> My server is an older laptop with a broken keyboard sitting on a printer
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[01:53:40] <chromas> no VPS here
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[01:54:10] <sgleysti> is there any way to see preliminary results on the name voting?
[01:54:11] <Subsentient> chromas: Ah. My powerful one is a 2001 Pentium 4 tower with 512MB of RAM, and my second is a 400Mhz Celeron 512MB Fast food cash register with a broken screen.
[01:54:23] <chromas> lol
[01:54:34] <chromas> Why would a cash register need that much ram?
[01:54:36] <Subsentient> s/broken/amputated/
[01:54:37] <SedBot> <Subsentient> chromas: Ah. My powerful one is a 2001 Pentium 4 tower with 512MB of RAM, and my second is a 400Mhz Celeron 512MB Fast food cash register with a amputated screen.
[01:54:49] <Subsentient> chromas: Because I upgraded it from 256.
[01:55:05] <sgleysti> how did you get ahold of it?
[01:55:21] <arti> probably with his hands
[01:55:26] <NCommander> xlefay, poke
[01:55:27] <Subsentient> Old friend was gonna throw it out, and me being a hoarder of old PCs, had to take it.
[01:55:42] <arti> you're like a pc breeder
[01:55:44] <sgleysti> ah. what os does it run?
[01:55:52] <Subsentient> Right now I am on an eMac G4 PPC32 with 512MB and Debian PPC 32 bit
[01:55:53] <sgleysti> I would like one of those thermal printers for notes to self
[01:55:56] <xlefay> NCommander,
[01:56:05] <NCommander> xlefay, need thoughts
[01:56:05] <Subsentient> sgleysti: Fedora 20 with the Epoch Init System.
[01:56:10] <Subsentient> Text mode.
[01:56:13] <sgleysti> an all-in-one crt emac? I thought those were pretty cool
[01:56:20] <NCommander> xlefay, mysql master failover; CNAME in DNS might be the easiest solution
[01:56:30] <Subsentient> sgleysti: Yeah they are. I replaced both the hdd and optical drive in this one.
[01:56:37] <Subsentient> It's case doesn't close right anymore lol
[01:56:59] <sgleysti> i replaced the cdrom in a clamshell ibook
[01:57:00] <NCommander> mysql-master.li694-22, when failover happens, use nsupdate to dynamically point the record to the new master, then restart the frontend nodes to bounce their DB connections
[01:57:06] <sgleysti> big gouge in the side after that
[01:57:11] <sgleysti> the bezel was an inch deep
[01:57:19] <Subsentient> sgleysti: heh
[01:57:36] <NCommander> thoughts?
[01:57:41] <Subsentient> sgleysti: My first server has had literally everything fail and be replaced except the board (minus the board fan)
[01:58:01] <sgleysti> that's funny; there's an ancient paradox about that called "my grandfather's axe"
[01:58:08] <Subsentient> yeah?
[01:58:30] <sgleysti> my grandfather had an axe. my father replaced its handle, and I replaced its blade
[01:58:35] <sgleysti> is it still my grandfather's axe?
[01:58:38] <Subsentient> Oh man I got those painful hot farts
[01:58:56] <Subsentient> sgleysti: No.
[01:59:20] <sgleysti> but we have a tendency to think of it that way
[01:59:33] <sgleysti> you still call that machine your first server, for instance
[01:59:33] <Subsentient> sgleysti: Yeah. This is still -- mostly -- my server.
[01:59:46] <Subsentient> The board and case are still the same
[01:59:59] <xlefay> NCommander, I suppose that could work, not sure if it's the best way to go at it though; another possibility is just to use Linode's API to swap IPs although DNS would be much simpler you'd have to keep the TTL low though
[01:59:59] <Subsentient> the RAM, CPU, and NIC are the same
[02:00:25] <NCommander> xlefay, well, this is our internal dNS, not world DNS
[02:00:25] <Subsentient> The PSU, HDD, Floppy, Optical, all of the fans including the heatsink fan, are new.
[02:01:10] <xlefay> NCommander, yeah, I'm just contributing to the idea to ensure we've got those bases covered
[02:01:24] <NCommander> xlefay, looking at Linode, its a powerdown and reboot to swap IPs
[02:01:33] <xlefay> That's fugly
[02:01:38] <NCommander> xlefay, the other alternative is just write the new hostname to Password.pm on the fl.
[02:01:40] <NCommander> *fly
[02:01:49] <NCommander> Then let gluster replicate it, and then front end rebounce
[02:01:56] <Subsentient> sgleysti: Can't answer that one can you
[02:01:58] <Subsentient> ;^)
[02:02:12] <sgleysti> yeah, still mostly your server
[02:02:17] <sgleysti> I was reading a news article
[02:02:22] <sgleysti> this is still soylent, after all
[02:02:23] <xlefay> If you want to use DNS I'd rather just write a shell script that updates the serial and use some sed magic to reply the entry, no need to fuss with dynamic updates and stuff
[02:02:38] <xlefay> NCommander, Password.pm file?? Config stuff is stored there?
[02:02:43] * xlefay facepalms
[02:02:47] <NCommander> xlefay, yeah. Its in a global Perl library
[02:02:51] <NCommander> -_-;;;;
[02:02:55] <NCommander> Its on the TOFIX list
[02:03:18] * Subsentient wants access to the server so he can poke around and change things and never tell anybody
[02:03:26] <NCommander> Subsentient, servers
[02:03:35] * NCommander notes we have 9 boxes, with a 10th one about to come up
[02:03:35] <Subsentient> s/server/servers/
[02:03:37] <SedBot> <Subsentient> wants access to the servers so he can poke around and change things and never tell anybody
[02:04:07] <sgleysti> s/SedBot/SedBot
[02:04:08] <Subsentient> NCommander: I can probably help with something. I got a server that doesn't do much most of the time.
[02:04:08] * SedBot offers sglesti a /
[02:04:16] <sgleysti> s/SedBot/SedBot/
[02:04:21] <Subsentient> It justs hosts my IRC bot and proxy.
[02:04:24] <sgleysti> s/SedBot/SedBot/
[02:04:37] <sgleysti> bummer
[02:04:41] <chromas> sgleysti: s/\//SedBot/g
[02:04:41] <xlefay> NCommander, do we store the server hostname and stuff on git? Or is that part of some deploy config that isn't on git?
[02:04:44] <aqu4> That's me! I'm that bot!
[02:04:54] <NCommander> xlefay, its in a perl library installed by CPAN ...
[02:04:56] <chromas> bad SedBot
[02:05:00] <sgleysti> s/\//SedBot/g
[02:05:09] <NCommander> which when installed it asks for the configuration options for "virtual users"
[02:05:15] * NCommander mulls
[02:05:17] <NCommander> Actually
[02:05:27] <NCommander> Wow
[02:05:31] <NCommander> I'm seriously overthinking this
[02:05:39] <NCommander> The SlashVirtualUser is a variable in the database
[02:05:39] <xlefay> yeah I figured it was something like that (it'd be bad to save mysql logins and shit on git hehe)
[02:05:40] <NCommander> er
[02:05:41] <chromas> sgleysti: I thought putting your name there made it look at your last message
[02:05:43] <NCommander> Variable in Apache
[02:05:55] <NCommander> We can just move that to a seperate file and do an Include
[02:06:01] <NCommander> And write the one line on the flya
[02:06:19] <NCommander> echo "SlashVirtualUser master_helium" or master_neon
[02:06:23] <sgleysti> hello world
[02:06:28] <sgleysti> s/hello/hello!/
[02:06:29] <SedBot> <sgleysti> hello! world
[02:06:53] <sgleysti> s/hello/hello/
[02:06:55] <xlefay> NCommander, and what would be the program used to write those changes?
[02:07:05] <sgleysti> ah, maybe it detects nothing would change
[02:07:14] * Subsentient is eating cheap, bitter easter egg shaped bubble gum
[02:07:33] <xlefay> (e.g. when a db dies)
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[02:09:22] <NCommander> xlefay, mysqlfailover, which means we need to upgrade mysql
[02:09:28] <NCommander> It can run a script to indicate master changed
[02:09:52] <Subsentient> NCommander: Why do you need 10 servers
[02:09:52] <xlefay> ok
[02:09:53] <NCommander> So we can have a deploy script which basically echo "SlashVirtualUser "master_host" > slash.db.conf
[02:10:00] <NCommander> Subsentient, 2x2 for web/db
[02:10:05] <NCommander> Subsentient, one for wiki+email
[02:10:12] <NCommander> Subsentient, IRC server (not in use)
[02:10:14] <NCommander> (yet)
[02:10:23] <NCommander> Subsentient, offsite backup (slow node with big honking HDD)
[02:10:34] <NCommander> development server
[02:10:45] <NCommander> Tor gateway + staff stuff
[02:10:57] <NCommander> Dedicated staff box + ichinga + status
[02:11:07] <NCommander> ... I'm missing one
[02:11:12] <xlefay> That node is fast though, the connection via the ssh proxy is slow though (when I connect directly, it's pretty darn fast) ;-)
[02:11:30] * NCommander is trying to figure out what node he's missing
[02:11:35] <xlefay> hmm
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[02:11:42] <MrBluze> email
[02:11:46] <NCommander> On wiki
[02:11:50] <xlefay> beryllium, boron, carbon, hydrogen, helium
[02:11:53] <xlefay> nope you had that one already
[02:11:53] <MrBluze> j/k
[02:11:57] <xlefay> oxygen
[02:12:08] <Subsentient> palladium?
[02:12:09] <NCommander> lithiu, oxygen, fluorine, nitrogen
[02:12:10] <MrBluze> feeding nsa
[02:12:11] <xlefay> floruine
[02:12:19] <xlefay> so which one did you miss?
[02:12:22] <chromas> Subsentient: where's the squashfs?
[02:12:23] <NCommander> Did we miss an element in our naming scheme? :-/
[02:12:32] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:12:34] <Subsentient> chromas: http://universe2.us is what you enter
[02:12:36] <Bytram> Chlorine?
[02:12:36] <MrBluze> nitrogen
[02:12:38] <xlefay> NCommander, don't look at me I was in favor of naming them after drugs
[02:12:41] <chromas> that's not a device
[02:12:41] <MrBluze> neon
[02:12:50] <Subsentient> chromas: No, do netinstall
[02:12:53] <Subsentient> chromas: not localinstall
[02:12:55] <Subsentient> hit ctrl c
[02:12:57] <NCommander> MrBluze, that's going to be our spare DB server, doesn't exist yet
[02:13:18] <Subsentient> chromas: you'll need a NIC
[02:13:23] <MrBluze> phentolamine
[02:13:32] <NCommander> xlefay, I realize the ability to say Slash is on crack is appealing but that probably be too confusing
[02:13:34] <Subsentient> chromas: And I hope you know that the installer is a 12MB file
[02:13:40] <Subsentient> I think
[02:13:40] <xlefay> NCommander, haha :P
[02:13:43] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[02:13:43] <deadbeef> Added quote 138
[02:13:48] <MrBluze> benzylisoquinolinium
[02:14:08] <chromas> 2Mb/s ETA 2 hrs
[02:14:13] <Subsentient> Dihydrogen Monoxide?
[02:14:17] <xlefay> "snort('s running on) heroin"
[02:14:25] <chromas> oh derp that's not /s
[02:14:38] <NCommander> FUck it, our next dev server going to be dilithium :-)
[02:14:39] <xlefay> Just imagine the word play we'd have!
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[02:15:12] * Bytram can't wait to start typing some of the more obtuse chemical element names
[02:15:15] <xlefay> benzysomethingsomething is a bit to lengthy for my taste ;-)
[02:15:15] <Subsentient> NCommander: Not Quantium40?
[02:15:18] <chromas> What about emo?
[02:15:21] <chromas> 'cause it slashes
[02:15:24] <NCommander> Subsentient, <3 Babylon 5
[02:15:28] <Bytram> FWIW: I did some looking a while ago; chemical elements are unique through first 6 chars (IIRC); things get interesting with UnUn* and ruth*
[02:15:37] <Subsentient> NCommander: Eats star trek alive
[02:15:44] <xlefay> Subsentient, bs :P
[02:15:50] <NCommander> Subsentient, Deep Space Nine got pretty damn close
[02:15:55] <Bytram> then we gotta name a server "tribble"
[02:16:01] <Subsentient> NCommander: heh
[02:16:02] <NCommander> Subsentient, I was watching "And The Sky, Full of Stars" the other night
[02:16:09] <Subsentient> NCommander: I own all the DVD
[02:16:12] <xlefay> Bytram, NCommander won't budge
[02:16:19] <Subsentient> All your Babylon are belong to me.
[02:16:22] <Bytram> we have trouble with tribble =)
[02:16:38] * NCommander takes the xlefay statue and uses a handtruck to relocate him
[02:16:40] <Bytram> xlefay: use a lever
[02:16:48] <xlefay> Oh I see that vote news stuff is _finally_ updated ;)
[02:16:55] <Subsentient> lol
[02:16:56] <NCommander> xlefay, memcache fart
[02:17:21] <xlefay> NCommander, ugh, I bet they have entire manuals @ /. on dealing with Slash
[02:17:24] <NCommander> Bytram, when the load balancer was eating babies, were you the one who called me?
[02:17:37] <Bytram> no.
[02:17:37] <NCommander> xlefay, given how they implemented beta, I doubt it
[02:17:43] <NCommander> So it was mrcoolbp
[02:17:57] <Subsentient> No, it was Kosh.
[02:18:08] <xlefay> or someone who used $ finger
[02:18:09] <Bytram> NCommander: I seem to remember seeing a reference to calling you in the logs; can't remember who it was
[02:18:24] <NCommander> Bytram, well the number came from an area I used to live in, and will be revisiting in 2 weeks time
[02:18:57] <Bytram> taking a trip down memory lane?
[02:19:36] <NCommander> Something like that
[02:19:42] * NCommander is mulling what he's going to do tonight
[02:19:50] <NCommander> I think I'm going to rear neon and setup mySQL replication
[02:20:13] * Bytram recalls that occasional food and sleep are helpful
[02:20:13] <xlefay> Good luck, I advise a hazmat suite just to protect yourself
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[02:20:25] * NCommander licks Mattiep
[02:20:54] <Subsentient> dafuq
[02:21:02] * Bytram notices that NCommander is getting rather friendly with the staff
[02:21:18] <NCommander> I'm mimicing my dog
[02:21:22] <NCommander> well, old dog
[02:21:37] <xlefay> he licked mattie_p too? Woa
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[02:21:56] <Subsentient> It's kinda sad how you can't have a good friend of the same sex without being called gay or the opposite sex without everyone thinking you're porking her
[02:22:01] <Bytram> don't lick a dog when he's down?
[02:22:24] <Mattiep> we're all friends here, no reason to stand on formality
[02:22:25] <xlefay> Subsentient, "porking her"
[02:22:45] <xlefay> Really? Porking? You just made my day buddy
[02:22:53] <Subsentient> xlefay: I'd much rather everyone in ## be having that kind of pork
[02:23:14] <xlefay> I'm fairly sure most of them do, after all, they have bacon to trade ;)
[02:23:16] * xlefay ducks
[02:23:24] <Subsentient> $burrito a ducking xlefay
[02:23:25] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at a ducking xlefay
[02:23:33] <xlefay> dammit
[02:23:41] <NCommander> xlefay, an american term for sleeping with women, probably due to the large amount of overweight people in this country. The European equivelent would be sticking her
[02:23:46] <arti> :|
[02:23:50] * NCommander ducks, and then makes an obsidan bunker
[02:24:05] <arti> xlefay hasn't heard this?
[02:24:19] <xlefay> Not sure about the rest of Europe, but here in my country, we just call it "sex" and the likes ;-)
[02:24:29] * Subsentient burns through NCommander's obsidian bunker with molten Palladium
[02:24:44] <arti> ncommander?
[02:24:48] <NCommander> arti, he's European. It hasn't been translated in 27 languages, delayed for two years, and then finally released when no one gave a damn.
[02:24:49] <xlefay> Porking? No, but I find it hilarious
[02:24:50] <arti> are you on the pocket game or on a server?
[02:25:03] * arti always assumed he was australian
[02:25:24] <NCommander> arti, he doesn't end his sentiences with "mate", i.e, good day mate!
[02:25:44] <arti> not all of the aussies do either
[02:25:54] <arti> the word for that is obsessive compulsive
[02:25:58] <arti> s
[02:25:59] <arti> words!
[02:26:08] * arti loads half as much into the bong
[02:26:50] <arti> bleh the email recover game sucks
[02:26:57] <xlefay> NCommander, and we like our cultural differences too!
[02:27:30] <arti> sure you do
[02:27:45] <arti> :P
[02:27:47] <NCommander> xlefay, pfft, we're still working on translating American culture into dutch so we can invade you with DEMOCRACY, and AWESOMENESS
[02:27:52] * Subsentient is american, and therefore has no culture
[02:27:59] <arti> Subsentient: FREEDOM!
[02:28:17] <xlefay> NCommander, what culture? ;-)
[02:28:30] <NCommander> xlefay, what was the last major movie you saw?
[02:28:34] <arti> greetings %gender.appropriate.family.greeting% in freedom
[02:28:35] <xlefay> and what democracy? Even more so, what awesomeness? ;)
[02:28:49] <xlefay> NCommander, probably one that was recorded in Canada ;-)
[02:28:52] <arti> xlefay: kinda like how voting works on the tv, what a coke tastes like
[02:28:59] <NCommander> xlefay, and made by American companies!
[02:29:06] <xlefay> Have you ever noticed how many shows and movies at the end have a Canadian logo? ;)
[02:29:19] <xlefay> Well, Canada Leaf thing I guess
[02:29:21] <Subsentient> xlefay: not in America
[02:30:10] <xlefay> NCommander, hahaha you just made that even nicer ;)
[02:30:10] <Subsentient> xlefay: What language do you actually speak?
[02:30:17] <arti> i think he speaks dutch
[02:30:27] <Subsentient> I speak gerbil.
[02:30:29] * arti runs off to find austin powers references
[02:30:47] * arti squeezes Subsentient ever so slightly
[02:30:58] <arti> do you whisper gerbils?
[02:30:59] <Subsentient> LOL
[02:31:09] <xlefay> Subsentient, ehm, Some form of English, Dutch, Some Fries ;)
[02:31:20] * NCommander vaguely wonders if we should migrate to mariadb
[02:31:23] <xlefay> and no, "fries" doesn't refer to "French fries"
[02:31:23] <arti> xlefay: are you familiar with dutch ovens?
[02:31:29] <NCommander> xlefay, so ... Ubuntu Trusty shipped with MySQL 5.5 ...
[02:31:35] <NCommander> Which is the same version that precise shipped
[02:31:37] <NCommander> ...
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[02:31:39] <Subsentient> arti: I am the commander of the undead gerbil horde, and did you notice how well these crazy pills work as nose plugs!?1
[02:31:40] <xlefay> arti, they're called "dutch" for a reason I guess
[02:32:06] <arti> xlefay: might have to refer you to urban dictionary
[02:32:10] <xlefay> NCommander, it really don't make much of a difference, it'll still fail on you anyway
[02:32:15] <arti> Subsentient: i can haz some nose candy?
[02:32:36] <Subsentient> arti: Here, they're expired but they taste like corn.
[02:32:54] <arti> expired food is good for the environment, and okay for you
[02:33:01] <Subsentient> generally yes
[02:33:06] <xlefay> arti, ugh, urban dictionary of course someone just had to muck up the real meaning!
[02:33:11] <Subsentient> We have a place called American Discount Foods here
[02:33:14] <arti> xlefay: LOL
[02:33:17] <Subsentient> they sell slightly expired stuff
[02:33:28] * arti has been to a place called "Food For Less"
[02:33:45] <Subsentient> and I KNOW!!! they think I'm nuts, because every few days I walk out of there with 10 bags of Dill Pickle flavored potato chips and 5 ice cream bars.
[02:34:01] <arti> do you really like that flavor?
[02:34:04] <xlefay> Subsentient, I wonder why ;-)
[02:34:07] <Subsentient> Yes, it's pretty good,
[02:34:09] <NCommander> xlefay, it does?
[02:34:10] <NCommander> ;.;
[02:34:17] <arti> my chip thing has been tapatio doritos. i don't actually consider them food
[02:34:26] <arti> it's what corporate america tastes like to me
[02:34:29] <Subsentient> arti: If you like salt and vinegar, you'll love those.
[02:34:34] <xlefay> ;-)
[02:34:41] * arti drinks vinegar :|
[02:34:44] <paulej72> Subsentient: that is a strang combo are you pregnant
[02:34:48] <arti> i dilute it, otherwise it's really potent
[02:34:59] <arti> it makes most foods tame
[02:35:13] <arti> "well i don't really enjoy this flavor, but i've experienced much more potent ones.
[02:35:35] <xlefay> NCommander, although nowadays, I'm hopeful that's just FUD
[02:35:42] <Subsentient> paulej72: no
[02:36:07] * Subsentient just gave the most unimaginative answer ever
[02:36:08] <NCommander> xlefay, wait, what fell to me?
[02:36:14] <arti> Subsentient: heh
[02:36:14] * NCommander is so lost it ain't funny
[02:36:28] <arti> NCommander: just click the where am i in the upper right of your HUD
[02:36:38] <arti> or press the back button and bring up the map
[02:36:52] <xlefay> moo
[02:36:52] <exec> (__)
[02:36:52] <exec> (oo)
[02:36:52] <exec> /------\/
[02:36:52] <exec> / | ||
[02:36:52] <exec> * /\---/\
[02:36:53] <exec> ~~ ~~
[02:36:53] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[02:37:06] <arti> or if you want, announce it loudly in a commanding tone of voice and see if anyone feels compelled to assist
[02:37:19] <paulej72> NCommander: mariadb should just be a drop in replacement for mysql.
[02:37:29] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah but they haven't forked Mysql 5.6
[02:37:35] <arti> paulej72: with java you can write once and run anywhere
[02:38:01] <NCommander> paulej72, we need 5.6 for failover to work
[02:38:10] <Subsentient> moo
[02:38:11] <exec> (__)
[02:38:11] <exec> (oo)
[02:38:11] <exec> /------\/
[02:38:11] <exec> / | ||
[02:38:11] <exec> * /\---/\
[02:38:11] <exec> ~~ ~~
[02:38:11] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[02:38:16] <xlefay> I'm fairly sure you could make /dev/random be an appropriate drop-in replacement as well.
[02:38:20] <aqu4> moo
[02:38:20] <exec> (__)
[02:38:20] <exec> (oo)
[02:38:20] <exec> /------\/
[02:38:20] <exec> / | ||
[02:38:20] <exec> * /\---/\
[02:38:20] <exec> ~~ ~~
[02:38:20] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[02:38:35] <arti> ^- what aussie cows look like
[02:38:37] <xlefay> NCommander, hmmm, maybe dotdeb.org will have a mysql package, not sure if it's also for Ubuntu tho
[02:38:41] <paulej72> NCommander: that sucks that maria is not on 5.6
[02:38:49] <Subsentient> afk
[02:39:01] <NCommander> xlefay, paulej72: I think I'm just going to grab the source and compile it
[02:39:09] <NCommander> For complicated server packages, I *don't* want to make debs
[02:39:14] <xlefay> make a package out of it, you know you want to
[02:39:18] <Bytram> paulej72: Hi there; been thinking about you and praying for you,too.
[02:39:48] <Bytram> NCommander: maria? I thot you wanted to move to postgresql?
[02:39:55] <NCommander> Bytram, maria is a drop in replacement
[02:40:09] <NCommander> paulej72, so what I think I'm doing to do tonight is setup hydrogen->neon replication (neon will run MySQL 5.6)
[02:40:19] <paulej72> thans bytram. the viewing is tomorror and funeral tuesday
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[02:40:28] <xlefay> I suppose is we really want reliability, we could just use that MSSQL thing with that compatibility layer of theirs ;-)
[02:40:37] <Bytram> I kinda thought so, but wasn't sure. what's the benefit of going to mariadb?
[02:40:44] * NCommander hits xlefay so hard that he shits from his head and talks out of his ass
[02:40:48] <xlefay> They have a better license that's it
[02:40:52] <NCommander> Bytram, less oracle?
[02:41:06] <xlefay> It's still the same ol' evil MySQL
[02:41:17] <NCommander> I do want to migrate us to postgres
[02:41:18] <Bytram> paulej72: ur welcome. it's okay to be "not okay" and this is the time to do it... lean on your friends and family and let it all out.
[02:41:21] <NCommander> But thats going to be awhile for now
[02:41:50] <Bytram> NCommander: okay, just getting on the same page with ya
[02:42:24] <xlefay> $burrito NCommander
[02:42:25] <arti> oh thank god i saved the messages on the server
[02:42:39] <arti> :D
[02:42:45] <xlefay> oh.. that bot still ignores me, oh well
[02:42:46] * arti pets belly and rubs head
[02:42:51] <arti> xlefay: just like women
[02:42:54] <xlefay> ooh sexy'
[02:43:04] <xlefay> arti, that's funny ;-)
[02:43:06] <paulej72> Bytram: tomorrow will be hard as ill be trying to support my cousinis who just lost their mother. for me i have a bit of distance that helps.
[02:43:10] <arti> some guys like being ignored :P
[02:43:20] <arti> hell, for $5 i'll ignore you
[02:43:38] <xlefay> I normally just ignore the ladies myself, they can be quite the distraction
[02:43:39] * chromas inserts coins
[02:43:45] <arti> agreed
[02:44:00] <paulej72> ill ignoe you for free.
[02:44:01] <xlefay> chromas, I so misinterpreted that on purpose.
[02:44:15] <arti> nuh uh!
[02:44:21] <Bytram> paulej72: I understand. You're a good man for wanting to support them; just remember it's okay ask for some support for yourself.
[02:44:35] <xlefay> paulej72, that's fine ;)
[02:44:43] * Bytram has been on both sides several times; learned that lesson the *hard* way
[02:45:15] <xlefay> arti, I had thought SirFinkus's pervert alert would've gone off by now, no such luck I guess
[02:45:22] <paulej72> thanks for the advice Bytram
[02:45:35] <arti> he has a perv alert?
[02:45:54] <xlefay> He generally seems to return to IRC whenever something perversial is going on
[02:46:11] <arti> we should totally get him some lotion
[02:46:11] <Bytram> paulej72: learned some hard lessons along the way; am glad when I can help someone else avoid unnecessary pain.
[02:46:13] <xlefay> as if he just knows it's happening and is drawn to it
[02:46:25] <arti> what if i was just a puppet of his?
[02:46:29] <xlefay> ugh I'm still thinking about that new wolfenstein
[02:46:38] <arti> xlefay! did you watch the train one?
[02:46:41] <xlefay> arti, could be
[02:46:45] <xlefay> yeah I did
[02:46:57] <xlefay> ugh I need to get some rest
[02:47:01] <arti> they've got other footage that shows a plane crashing into a building and you climing up it
[02:47:06] <arti> rest well sir
[02:47:11] <xlefay> w00t
[02:47:17] <xlefay> I gotta watch them a bit more tomorrow
[02:47:19] <xlefay> (them videos0
[02:47:25] <xlefay> s/0/)/
[02:47:25] <SedBot> <xlefay> (them videos)
[02:47:36] <arti> yeah, i dig the reinvisioned retro music
[02:47:43] <xlefay> ha:p
[02:47:48] * arti would totally pay to watch a football match like that
[02:47:58] <xlefay> rofl
[02:47:59] <exec> One good thing about music,
[02:47:59] * arti can't stand the floppers
[02:47:59] <exec> Well, it helps you feel no pain.
[02:47:59] <exec> So hit me with music;
[02:47:59] <exec> Hit me with music now.
[02:47:59] <exec> -- Bob Marley, "Trenchtown Rock"
[02:48:47] <Bytram> xlefay: get some rest; good to "see" you around.
[02:49:40] <NCommander> xlefay, ah fuck, I just realized, ldap isn't replicated
[02:49:46] <NCommander> if helium is down, bad shit happens
[02:49:52] * arti talks in a high voice
[02:50:11] * NCommander changes tonights TODO to fighting with slurp
[02:50:18] <xlefay> NCommander, oh well, it's not like anything ever goes wrong in the li694-22 domain
[02:50:29] <xlefay> yeah, that'd be preferable
[02:50:50] <arti> slurp = yahoo right?
[02:51:00] <Bytram> fighting with slurp? Sounds like an idea for a game show!
[02:51:06] <xlefay> arti, for all you know, it could be something else entirely!
[02:51:18] <xlefay> And with that, of course, I'm referring to slapd
[02:51:22] <arti> hahaha
[02:51:22] <Bytram> afk back in 5 minutes
[02:51:24] <arti> crapd
[02:51:37] <NCommander> Holy fuck
[02:51:38] <NCommander> http://www.openldap.org
[02:51:39] <paulej72> xlefay: nothing goes wrong unless we schedule an upgrade :)
[02:51:45] <NCommander> How to fucking overcomplicate replication
[02:51:48] <xlefay> paulej72, ;)
[02:51:55] <xlefay> Our track record says otherwise
[02:52:10] <xlefay> Oh yes, NCommander, LDAP is a lot of fun isn't it
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[02:54:13] <NCommander> xlefay, Ubuntu has decent documentation on setting it up
[02:54:14] <paulej72> NCommander: we could switch to active directory. settig up a second server is a snap and it does ldap :)
[02:54:16] <NCommander> https://help.ubuntu.com
[02:54:33] <xlefay> NCommander, when it's all UP & running it's pretty neat tho
[02:55:55] * NCommander decides to try and set up this monster
[02:56:08] <arti> or we can minecraft!
[02:56:17] <arti> let's punch stuff :D
[02:56:36] * arti makes block pick up noises
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[02:56:45] <arti> :3
[02:57:10] <paulej72> i know we can replicate slash using minecarts in minecraft
[02:57:39] <NCommander> arti, I've got a set of mods i want to start with, I'm probably going to start setting up a spawn base sometime soon
[02:57:59] <xlefay> boys will be boys... ;)
[02:58:01] <arti> i'm down for a little bit
[02:58:31] <arti> what, you just don't like geometry :P
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[02:59:01] <xlefay> I do.. in certain situations ;-)
[02:59:38] <Bytram> I've got a question concerning the site name vote.
[02:59:47] * arti notices this is a statement
[02:59:54] <paulej72> yes
[03:00:08] <Bytram> need to discuss it... elsewhere
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[03:02:48] <xlefay> Bytram, so what's the question?
[03:03:36] <NCommander> modifying entry "olcDatabase={1}hdb,cn=config"
[03:03:36] <NCommander> ldap_modify: Insufficient access (50)
[03:03:38] <NCommander> BahAhAhAhHA
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[03:03:53] <xlefay> NCommander, does ldapsearch work from other machines yet? ;)
[03:04:52] <NCommander> xlefay, has forever, thats how ssh-ldap.sh works
[03:05:23] <xlefay> NCommander, no it doesn't
[03:05:31] <xlefay> ldapsearch
[03:05:31] <xlefay> ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)
[03:05:34] <xlefay> from pretty every search
[03:05:51] <NCommander> xlefay, look at /etc/ssh/ldap-ssh.conf calls ldap search
[03:06:05] <xlefay> The reason the ssh script works is because /etc/ldap.conf - /etc/ldap/ldap.conf needs to be symlink then 'ldapsearch' and such will work I bet
[03:10:40] <NCommander> xlefay, /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is openldap's slapd config file
[03:10:56] * NCommander is really fucking irritated with slapd
[03:17:05] <NCommander> wow
[03:17:12] <NCommander> so you need manage permission, not write
[03:17:18] <NCommander> But ... the admin user has it
[03:17:18] <NCommander> Ugh
[03:30:05] * crutchy|zzz passed writing in the dark 101 last night
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[03:32:32] <crutchy> ~q
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[03:38:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Mod-bombing. One single person moderating another single person more than once(or twice, or some other low number) with the same batch of mod points
[03:38:56] <Ethanol-fueled> suspect if all points allocated are good or bad, not suspect if good and bad moderations are roughly equal.
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[03:39:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Not that I care, I'm used to being modded down :) But that might be a useful heuristic to detect mod abuse
[03:39:35] <xlefay> ha
[03:39:55] <xlefay> just.. I'm still here, unfortunatley
[03:40:14] <Ethanol-fueled> suspect all bad mods for being a vendetta, suspect all good mods for being somebody's shill account
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[03:42:56] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled: how the hell are ya?
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[03:43:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Good. You?
[03:43:29] <crutchy> xlefay: good morning... err.. evening... or <insert something here>
[03:43:35] <crutchy> yeah i'm ok
[03:43:40] <crutchy> got a day off today :-D
[03:43:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[03:44:11] <xlefay> crutchy, night ;-)
[03:44:16] <xlefay> morning sir :P
[03:44:16] <crutchy> ah
[03:45:20] <crutchy> was thinking about irciv last night. made some notes. just gotta make a couple of tweaks to exec and it will be easier to play i think :-)
[03:45:32] <xlefay> nice :D
[03:45:55] <crutchy> installing a ~lock/~unlock command to auto alias for given nick
[03:46:53] <xlefay> "auto alias" what?
[03:46:56] <crutchy> then if you pm exec, you only type: <password> command
[03:47:15] <crutchy> instead of having to enter the alias to trigger the game script
[03:47:18] <Ethanol-fueled> holy shit, did ncommander get demoted?
[03:47:34] <xlefay> Ethanol-fueled, what makes you believe so?
[03:47:35] <crutchy> dunno
[03:47:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Looked at the list, he's now a "+" instead of an "@"
[03:48:09] <xlefay> Ethanol-fueled, everyone in staff by default has +
[03:48:27] <xlefay> I just have an @ because I probably changed the topic some ages ago and never deopped
[03:48:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, thanks bro. I'm just an ignorant idiot.
[03:49:06] <xlefay> If you say so buddy
[03:49:41] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahah
[03:50:06] <NCommander> .op
[03:50:06] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o NCommander] by juggler
[03:50:17] <NCommander> Ethanol-fueled, I be god again
[03:50:21] <Ethanol-fueled> WOW!
[03:50:37] <NCommander> Ethanol-fueled, I restarted my IRC proxy, and my account is VOPed not AOPed
[03:50:49] <Ethanol-fueled> I-It's like....magic!
[03:51:01] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled: we gunna have to share the ignorant idiot corner... i hope you shower
[03:51:03] <xlefay> NCommander, every staff's account is VOPed by default ;-)
[03:51:15] <xlefay> In fact, I actually just disable the entire voice/op thing for my own account, can't really care
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[03:51:19] <Ethanol-fueled> m-m-magic! Yeah, twice or more a day.
[03:51:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Ncommander, see my comments above about mod-bombing. Might be a useful heuristic to detect mod abuse.
[03:52:21] <xlefay> I vote instead of captcha, someone has to complete something on minecraft first
[03:52:36] <crutchy> nononononononooooo
[03:52:38] <Ethanol-fueled> xlefay: the SN minecraft server?
[03:52:51] <NCommander> Ethanol-fueled, eventually to exist
[03:52:55] <NCommander> When I have free time again
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[03:53:30] <kobach> hi austin
[03:53:51] <Ethanol-fueled> No prob. Just a suggestion. But don't apply it to me, I'm like that zombie in that shitty RPG that gets stronger when black magic is cast on it.
[03:55:14] <crutchy> !grab Ethanol-fueled
[03:55:14] <deadbeef> Added quote 139
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[04:04:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Headin' out. Nice chattin' with you all, even if it is a Sunday evening here in the land of the free.
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[04:21:15] <xlefay> deadbeef, s/Only/Are You/
[04:21:16] <SedBot> <xlefay> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Are You Able to Use Windows? You're Fired - http://sylnt.us - survival-of-the-fittest
[04:24:33] * arti o.lo
[04:26:28] <crutchy> deadbeef: s/Windows/a Toaster/
[04:26:29] <SedBot> <crutchy> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Only Able to Use a Toaster? You're Fired - http://sylnt.us - survival-of-the-fittest
[04:27:25] <xlefay> deadbeef, s/Windows/Play with Lego's/
[04:27:25] <SedBot> <xlefay> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Only Able to Use Play with Lego's? You're Fired - http://sylnt.us - survival-of-the-fittest
[04:28:19] <crutchy> deadbeef: s/Windows? You're Fired/Minecraft? You're Hired!/
[04:28:58] * crutchy kicks sedbot
[04:29:15] <xlefay> deadbeef, s/Windows\? You're Fired/Minecraft\? You're hired!/
[04:29:17] <SedBot> <xlefay> <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Only Able to Use Minecraft? You're hired! - http://sylnt.us - survival-of-the-fittest
[04:29:27] <xlefay> escape tham question marks ;-)
[04:29:28] <crutchy> ooh
[04:30:23] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[04:35:59] * juggs bangs head on desk
[04:36:09] <crutchy> feel better?
[04:36:10] * arti mimmics juggs
[04:36:26] <juggs> not much
[04:36:30] * crutchy doesn't want to feel left out *bangs head*
[04:37:02] <crutchy> you might have started a trend
[04:37:07] <crutchy> headbanging :-P
[04:37:47] <arti> yes, and we can say we all banged together
[04:38:00] <arti> certainly that's cool, rightguyz
[04:38:29] <crutchy> arti, was it as good for you as it was for me?
[04:39:04] * arti lights up a smoke
[04:39:43] <crutchy> ahh the after-headbanging smoke
[04:40:15] <juggs> I've been trying for 3 hours or so to get my desktop to pipe its sound over LAN to my server that has line out to my stupidly oversized amp. Both ALSA and PulseAudio allegedly support network transports... can I get it to work... no. I feel resigned to accept that I am a moron :D
[04:40:44] <crutchy> did you put the speaker right up against the opening of the pipe?
[04:42:32] <arti> hahaha
[04:42:41] <juggs> I hand crafted the pipe to incorporate 6 speakers and used gold monster cables - still no joy!
[04:42:42] <arti> crutchy, you should work support
[04:42:59] <arti> "yes sir, i am not hearing it. would you please put the speaker right up against the opening of the pipe."
[04:43:42] <crutchy> i'm sure i could reduce the number of calls
[04:43:59] <juggs> and customers no doubt :D
[04:52:31] <arti> "we're not satisfied until you're not satisfied"
[04:57:19] <xlefay> LOL
[04:57:20] <xlefay> Subsentient++
[04:57:20] <deadbeef> karma - subsentient: 4
[04:57:38] <crutchy> sounds like the support motto of quite a few companies
[04:57:48] <Subsentient> xlefay: lol
[04:57:55] <xlefay> Subsentient, just made my day again, "<aqu4> Rejoin or burrito." are you seriously trying to bully me into submission? hahahaha
[04:58:03] <xlefay> Well it worked rofl
[04:58:12] <arti> lol
[04:59:23] <xlefay> I must say, I'm quite intrigued by aqu4 reminds me of the Wifi XKCD...
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[04:59:52] <Subsentient> xlefay: Now obey your lord and master and rejoin #derp.
[05:00:00] <xlefay> I already did, minutes ago!
[05:00:03] <xlefay> hey wait a second!
[05:00:40] <xlefay> arti, obviously, I haven't been to bed yet
[05:00:50] * xlefay sighs at himself for still being here
[05:01:03] <Subsentient> xlefay: I have much more reason to sigh
[05:01:07] <arti> :D
[05:01:11] <Subsentient> I haven't done anything useful in a week
[05:01:13] <xlefay> Subsentient, aqu4 threathened you too?
[05:01:17] <xlefay> threatened*
[05:01:20] <arti> Subsentient: you must've pooped in that time
[05:01:26] <Subsentient> xlefay: No, I threatened her into threatening you.
[05:01:27] <crutchy> xlefay: did you try putting your head right up against the top of the pillow?
[05:01:33] <arti> that means you're healthy
[05:01:41] <xlefay> crutchy, not yet, not yet
[05:01:46] <arti> xlefay: are you excited for work or something?
[05:01:50] <xlefay> aqu4, the gun was excessive!
[05:01:58] <crutchy> = soylent support
[05:02:21] <xlefay> arti, I'm cooking a few things up yea :p
[05:02:23] <crutchy> "because we care about people.... they are our product after all"
[05:02:27] <xlefay> but no actual, paid work :'(
[05:02:30] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[05:02:30] <deadbeef> Added quote 140
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[05:03:22] <crutchy> oops did i say that out loud?
[05:03:35] <xlefay> crutchy, it only looked that way, don't worry
[05:03:37] <crutchy> i obviously meant "they are our customers after all"
[05:03:42] <crutchy> :-P
[05:03:52] <xlefay> all we saw was '*******'
[05:03:59] <xlefay> Oh dammit, wrong one!
[05:04:16] <crutchy> omg did i type my password again!
[05:04:28] <xlefay> rofl
[05:04:28] <arti> hunter2
[05:04:33] <crutchy> everyone says not to use ******* as my password
[05:04:56] <crutchy> cos programs don't hide it as i type
[05:05:30] <Subsentient> lolll
[05:05:43] <xlefay> crutchy++ haha rofl
[05:05:44] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 58
[05:05:52] <Subsentient> well my password is UndeadGerbilSwarm
[05:05:58] <Subsentient> I mean, *******************.
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[05:06:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v mrcoolbp] by juggler
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[05:07:01] <mrcoolbp> Hello ehlo
[05:07:02] <xlefay> Subsentient, all we saw was *******************
[05:07:10] <mrcoolbp> Xlefay lol
[05:07:11] <xlefay> EHLO mrcoolbp !
[05:07:18] <NCommander> EIEIO mrcoolbp
[05:07:19] <arti> 250 mrcoolbp
[05:07:31] <xlefay> arti++ haha, that was awesome
[05:07:31] <deadbeef> karma - arti: 41
[05:07:33] <mrcoolbp> 250?
[05:07:39] <Subsentient> SMTP stuff
[05:07:51] <xlefay> ehlo is an smtp greeting, and '250' is a success code of sorts ;-)
[05:07:55] * arti manifests cupcakes
[05:08:00] <mrcoolbp> Old mcNcommander
[05:08:10] <mrcoolbp> Good to know
[05:08:13] <arti> sitting at a pc, typing codes teeheeheee
[05:08:25] <mrcoolbp> Tea he he?
[05:08:34] <xlefay> Should we be taking that one in a specific context mrcoolbp, the McNcommander one, that is?
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[05:08:53] <xlefay> McDonalds, Burger King?
[05:09:06] <mrcoolbp> He said e-i-e-I-o
[05:09:14] <mrcoolbp> That's old McDonald xlefay
[05:09:22] <Subsentient> $burrito MrBluze|afk
[05:09:23] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at MrBluze|afk
[05:09:28] <xlefay> Oh really, I had no idea
[05:09:34] <Subsentient> $burrito mrcoolbp
[05:09:34] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at mrcoolbp
[05:09:35] <Subsentient> there.
[05:09:40] <Subsentient> Sry MrBluze
[05:09:43] <xlefay> Subsentient, :~/
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[05:09:54] <Subsentient> xlefay: That's called autocomplete.
[05:09:56] <xlefay> you still have my blacklisted.. it's somewhat racial since I'm not black.
[05:10:10] <xlefay> So please, whitelist me instead.
[05:10:14] * juggs lies in the corner
[05:10:19] <Subsentient> kk
[05:10:20] <mrcoolbp> Thx subs sentient /me was hungry
[05:10:25] <Subsentient> $blacklist unset xlefay!*@*
[05:10:25] <aqu4> Unblacklisting successful.
[05:10:36] <mrcoolbp> S/sentient/subsentient
[05:10:46] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: It's all good.
[05:10:47] <xlefay> Thank you, buddy.
[05:10:50] <xlefay> $burrito Subsentient
[05:10:50] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[05:11:07] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay
[05:11:07] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay
[05:11:10] * juggs evaporates, burrito overload
[05:11:13] <chromas> $burrito herself
[05:11:13] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at herself
[05:11:21] <Subsentient> xlefay: Thou shalt not insult the lord thy god!!
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[05:11:45] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[05:12:24] <xlefay> haha :P
[05:14:05] <xlefay> $burrito herself
[05:14:05] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at herself
[05:14:13] <xlefay> aww
[05:14:16] <Subsentient> $blacklist set xlefay!*@*
[05:14:16] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[05:14:30] <xlefay> hey, I felt guilty right after I did that!
[05:14:38] <xlefay> And stop painting me you racist! :P
[05:14:56] * arti o.o
[05:15:10] <arti> "porking"
[05:15:24] <Subsentient> $blacklist unset xlefay!*@*
[05:15:25] <aqu4> Unblacklisting successful.
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[05:15:32] <Subsentient> xlefay: lol blacklist spam
[05:15:41] <xlefay> Indeed good sir
[05:15:49] <xlefay> .. arti for some reason, I just can't get over that term
[05:15:56] * xlefay is rofling' about it again
[05:16:04] <xlefay> Like who thinks of such a term?!
[05:16:11] <Subsentient> xlefay: The USA?
[05:16:17] <arti> it's an awesome term
[05:16:38] <xlefay> "porking"
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[05:19:13] <chromas> Probably sausage-related
[05:19:20] <Subsentient> chromas: lollll
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[05:19:35] * arti likes the analogy for pork to sausage for processing of things
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[05:19:58] <chromas> Open clam, insert sausage
[05:20:08] <arti> pork and sea food :(
[05:21:04] <Subsentient> chromas: Enuff
[05:21:22] <xlefay> w00t
[05:21:44] <chromas> !grab chromas
[05:21:44] <deadbeef> Added quote 141
[05:21:58] <chromas> I can grab myself
[05:22:09] <Mattiep> I think it grabs the grab though
[05:22:10] <xlefay> damn I missed that one
[05:22:12] <Mattiep> !quote 141
[05:22:12] <deadbeef> Quote 141 - <chromas> !grab chromas
[05:22:20] * crutchy resumes trying to unclog his tube of arti's taco
[05:22:36] <xlefay> haha
[05:22:42] <xlefay> don't forget those burritos!
[05:22:49] <arti> burritos are amazing
[05:22:56] <xlefay> not aqu4's burrito's
[05:23:04] * crutchy starts getting cupcackes
[05:23:07] <crutchy> ew
[05:23:11] <arti> i ate too many
[05:23:16] <crutchy> cupcake tacos
[05:23:23] <arti> it is/was 4/20
[05:23:27] <Subsentient> crutchy: wrapped in burritos!
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[05:23:27] <chromas> Open taco, insert sausage
[05:23:37] <crutchy> lol
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[05:23:39] <arti> chromas: is this our new secret handshake?
[05:23:43] <xlefay> !grab chromas
[05:23:44] <deadbeef> Added quote 142
[05:23:45] <xlefay> !grab arti
[05:23:45] <deadbeef> Added quote 143
[05:23:47] <Subsentient> chromas: you are a strange little man
[05:23:50] <xlefay> FUCK YES!
[05:23:59] <arti> Subsentient: his favorite color is butter
[05:24:00] <xlefay> dammit, Subsentient that was badly timed
[05:24:05] <chromas> Anything innuendo
[05:24:12] <arti> chromas: in the end, he got it.
[05:24:14] <crutchy> open taco...
[05:24:23] <xlefay> insert roll and sausage?
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[05:24:25] <arti> crutchy, link us to that purse
[05:24:26] <Subsentient> insert uranium
[05:24:37] <crutchy> i'm sure we could automate that somehow
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[05:24:43] <Subsentient> lol
[05:24:48] <arti> crutchy, the japanese have a chair that helps
[05:25:01] <crutchy> they have all sorts of welcoming automata
[05:25:21] <Subsentient> Like robotic nosehair tweezing arms?
[05:25:29] <arti> ugh
[05:25:35] <arti> imagine that getting one from down south
[05:25:49] <arti> "welcome to the fraternity"
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[05:26:33] <arti> wow, images are not safe
[05:26:52] <xlefay> rofl
[05:27:05] <arti> pretty cool if you have a bad back i guess
[05:27:14] <arti> imagine hobknobbing with the install tech
[05:27:16] * crutchy tries to shove the tacos back in to stop whatever else is coming down the tube
[05:27:25] <arti> crutchy: you don't stop a good thing
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[05:27:54] <crutchy> the tacos are getting soggy... that's bad right?
[05:28:01] <arti> do they have any good taco joins there?
[05:28:01] <xlefay> "whatever else is coming down the tube" .. dare I ask, "what is coming down the tube?"
[05:28:03] <arti> joints*
[05:28:10] <arti> xlefay: http://www.openldap.org
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[05:28:32] <Subsentient> I hope it's kittens!
[05:28:35] <xlefay> Yes?
[05:28:45] <arti> Ja!
[05:28:54] <xlefay> v51
[05:28:59] <arti> v55
[05:29:11] <crutchy> "here at soylent support, we accept calls from kittens too"
[05:29:15] <arti> man, that game has not aged well
[05:29:15] <xlefay> wait.. it's been a while
[05:29:19] <xlefay> v55 = "Bye" ain't it?
[05:29:22] <crutchy> as long as they are well fed ;-)
[05:29:49] <arti> global hello
[05:29:57] <xlefay> og, 56 is bye then
[05:30:02] <xlefay> oh*
[05:30:02] <arti> jawohl
[05:30:06] <crutchy> goto v55
[05:30:11] <xlefay> v57
[05:30:20] <arti> v51 is yes
[05:30:33] <xlefay> v52 - no; and if memory serves, v57 is "cheer"
[05:30:46] <xlefay> This all just comes natural when in ET itself lol
[05:30:57] <arti> correct
[05:31:22] <arti> hmmm
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[05:32:01] <xlefay> saustin_ seems to be having a bad time
[05:32:23] * arti is reminded of a dog
[05:32:30] <arti> always on the wrong side of a door
[05:32:34] <arti> wants to be in, wants to be out
[05:32:47] <Subsentient> Same with cats dude
[05:32:47] <arti> i enjoy the problem solving
[05:32:58] <arti> "i can't reach this #@*($#@($*@# help me!"
[05:35:26] <xlefay> arti, /join #@*($#@($*@#
[05:35:37] * arti greases up
[05:35:48] <crutchy> lol
[05:35:57] <xlefay> define greases
[05:35:58] <crutchy> don't you mean lubes
[05:36:05] <xlefay> where is that bot when you need it? ;)
[05:36:12] <arti> crutchy: the important thing is my body is ready
[05:36:24] <xlefay> oh my, that sounds kinky arti
[05:36:31] <crutchy> ahh you meant "applies lippy"
[05:36:33] <arti> this is how we php guys do it
[05:36:53] <arti> crutchy: that requires gender specific models
[05:37:06] <crutchy> ahh not politically correct
[05:37:16] <crutchy> better use lube then
[05:37:24] <crutchy> can't be sexist now
[05:37:38] <arti> sounds like a fun occupation
[05:37:44] <arti> we should RP it sometime
[05:37:51] <arti> i want lightning bolts
[05:38:02] <crutchy> they require special nuts
[05:38:11] <xlefay> Woa
[05:38:20] <arti> nuts, bolts o.o?
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[05:39:24] * arti hides behind the water cooler
[05:39:44] <xlefay> water, nuts & bolts don't go well together either
[05:39:54] <xar> can someone assist me with logging into the site, I registered, but when i try to retrieve password, it says email doesn't exist, which isn't true.
[05:40:04] <arti> have you tried yelling at it?
[05:40:15] <xlefay> Pounding generally works too, if you're gentle.
[05:40:19] <crutchy> particularly when all you have to stop them from coming down the tube is soggy tacos
[05:40:25] <arti> you might need to reboot your audio subsystem, and hold the speakers right up to the pipe
[05:40:33] <xlefay> xar, Ok, did you receive a confirmation e-mail? Checked spam and such?
[05:40:44] <crutchy> = soylent support... how may i scalp you... i mean help you?
[05:40:52] <xar> the confirmation email never arrived
[05:40:52] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[05:40:52] <deadbeef> Added quote 144
[05:40:52] <arti> please begin with your credit card number
[05:41:00] * arti will stop
[05:41:04] <xlefay> xar, can you PM me your e-mail. I'll take a look at the mail log.
[05:41:09] <xlefay> logs*
[05:41:16] <xar> im guessing it bounced, because I didn't have port 25 open
[05:41:39] <xar> are you an op? i don't want to PM my email to random people :(
[05:41:46] <xlefay> .op
[05:41:46] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o xlefay] by juggler
[05:41:51] <xlefay> :)
[05:41:54] <crutchy> did you make sure the email was fully deflated before sending?
[05:41:57] <arti> .op
[05:42:03] <crutchy> inflated emails do tend to bounce
[05:42:06] <xlefay> xar, /whois xlefay
[05:42:07] <arti> hold on, i just opped awhile ago, gotta recharg
[05:42:11] <xlefay> Might help prove my identify
[05:42:16] <xlefay> identity*
[05:44:39] <arti> :|
[05:44:47] <arti> you guys and your privacy
[05:51:16] <xar> it's just smart to question those things
[05:51:28] <arti> indeed
[05:51:30] <arti> welcome btw
[05:51:38] <xar> of course I'm trusting the staff to behave responsibly too
[05:51:39] <arti> we were just preparing for a giant pillow fight, with bots
[05:51:42] <xlefay> Indeed welcome.
[05:51:56] <arti> refreshments are located in #lobby
[05:51:57] <xar> thanks for helping so swiftly
[05:52:04] <xlefay> arti, #lobby is actually registered to me :o
[05:52:09] <xlefay> no worries xar ;)
[05:52:21] <arti> xlefay, you irc realestate mogul
[05:52:25] <xlefay> ha :P
[05:52:32] <arti> this is how you get all the ladies
[05:52:37] <arti> hahaha
[05:52:43] <arti> http://forums.powervs.com
[05:52:47] <xlefay> I just own everything and they come to me ha
[05:52:50] <arti> looks like they've got iortcw rocking
[05:52:52] <xar> xlefay and I were just trading mail log war stories, pretty nerdy actually.
[05:52:59] <xlefay> !grab xar
[05:52:59] <deadbeef> Added quote 145
[05:53:02] <xlefay> They have no idea ;-)
[05:53:07] <arti> stay awhile, and we'll listen
[05:53:19] <xlefay> arti, I can't watch :<
[05:53:33] <xlefay> I'll want to play it.. and you know, I won't return for the next couple of years
[05:53:34] <arti> i'll totally aim it away from your face this time
[05:53:36] <arti> pinky swear
[05:53:42] <xar> I bet you guys have users coming out of the word work ready to start linuxing all the time, come now
[05:53:46] <xlefay> OK, it's a swear!
[05:53:50] <xar> s/word/wood/
[05:53:51] <SedBot> <xar> I bet you guys have users coming out of the wood work ready to start linuxing all the time, come now
[05:54:03] <arti> wood work, like termines
[05:54:21] <arti> termites o.o
[05:54:36] <xar> so my undertanding that all of the intelligent users from slashdot came here, is that a correct assessment?
[05:54:47] <arti> some have come and gone, others reside
[05:54:59] <arti> we've got some of the whose who if you idle long enough :)
[05:55:22] <arti> its all about the size of your idle
[05:55:32] <arti> oh, check out #irpg /muchfun
[05:55:37] <xlefay> and we also have the "no clue who that is but he/she's been here forever!"
[05:55:48] <arti> "hey.... YOU!"
[05:55:57] * arti is terrible with names
[05:56:09] <xar> I can't stand the articles they try to pass off as news these days, it used to be a place to really learn unique stuff, now it's just terrible
[05:56:29] <arti> sorta like what the MSM does with AP stuff?
[05:56:41] <arti> "that's our pay feed there, and the rest is what we use to package our ads!"
[05:56:53] <arti> *murmur of approval*
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[05:58:00] <xar> lot of the articles there now are "yea duh we already know this why is this an article" garbage
[05:58:44] <xar> anyways happy someone is taking the charge to create something better
[05:59:02] <xlefay> rofl
[05:59:04] <arti> we've got a pretty good crew here
[05:59:54] <xlefay> xar, and they're quite hilarious at times too.
[06:00:25] <crutchy> yeah especially Loggie... he can be a real chatterbox
[06:00:37] <crutchy> hard to shut that troll up sometimes
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[06:01:00] <xlefay> crutchy, indeed. It's always a bliss when he burns and times out
[06:01:05] <xar> is nerdrpg a public mod?
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[06:01:57] <xlefay> xar, it's a modification of the original IdleRPG game
[06:02:09] <arti> it's a pretty geeky mod
[06:02:17] <xar> is it public, on git somewhere for instance
[06:02:35] <arti> irpg is, not sure about the variant
[06:02:48] <xlefay> It's on git somewhere but I'm not sure if FatPhil would mind if I shared that; he's currently on a trip, I'll ask him when he's back (I'm sure he doesn't mind but.. best to be sure)
[06:03:04] <xar> ok
[06:03:38] <xlefay> xar, if you don't plan on hanging out on IRC, best to enable e-mails for memoserv messages and I'll send ya a memo when I've talked to him; if you do plan on hanging out here, disregard ;)
[06:04:37] <xlefay> (or you could message him directly, it seems he's connected! just not in this channel ;-))
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[06:05:11] <Mattiep> hey folks
[06:05:13] <xar> this session is attached to my znc, i'm not going anywhere ;)
[06:05:19] <xlefay> Awesome :)
[06:05:50] <xar> what do you think this is, amateur hour? I come ready and prepared :D
[06:06:13] <xlefay> !grab xar
[06:06:13] <deadbeef> Added quote 146
[06:06:20] <xlefay> surely, we can take that out of context some day
[06:06:21] * crutchy salutes Mattiep
[06:06:25] <xar> I'm worried about what that's doing.
[06:06:49] <xlefay> Oh you know..
[06:09:23] <xlefay> yo Mattiep, how are things?
[06:10:52] <Mattiep> things are pretty ok, right now, I'd say they are as ok as its been in a long time
[06:11:36] <xlefay> That's good, your daughter eating normally yet? Or that going to take some more time?
[06:13:12] <crutchy> my daughter is grumpy with me... so she must be ok :-P
[06:13:20] <Mattiep> seems like it will take time. She just has no appetite
[06:13:49] <Mattiep> I suspect it is due to the fact that she gets supplemental nutrition drip overnight, probably equal to most of her daily caloric consumption on a regular day
[06:14:24] <xlefay> Mattiep, Oh I see, well as long as she's getting better and better it's all good ;)
[06:14:44] <xlefay> I hope that doesn't bother her (the overnight drip, guessing that's the tube stuff?)
[06:14:54] <Mattiep> yeah, the tube stuff
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[06:15:04] <Mattiep> she hates the tube, but it stays in until she eats
[06:15:18] <Mattiep> and I don't think she'll eat much until the tube is out
[06:15:24] <Mattiep> its a catch-22 alright
[06:15:38] <crutchy> icecream?
[06:15:59] <crutchy> or maybe icypole... not too filling
[06:16:30] <crutchy> dad = chief lego separator :-P
[06:16:34] <Mattiep> we'll try that tomorrow I think, but she'll barely even sip her milk which she usually loves
[06:18:18] <xlefay> Well maybe tomorrow will surprise you :)
[06:18:44] <Mattiep> I sure hope so
[06:18:56] <Mattiep> getting tired of all of this
[06:19:44] <xlefay> yeah I understand, just hang in there, things are looking better and better every day tho right? ;)
[06:20:20] <Mattiep> yeah, she's getting some strength back, she didn't take a nap today which is a plus, and we got her to go to church so she didn't miss Easter
[06:21:08] <xlefay> Must be nice for her to do all these things again instead of laying in a hospital bed and such
[06:21:50] <Mattiep> yeah, she was real excited to be come home so the nurses don't poke and prod her all night
[06:22:23] <xlefay> haha, yeah that must have been quite the relief
[06:22:33] <Mattiep> pretty much
[06:22:58] <Mattiep> we have a followup on Tuesday so hopefully the docs/nurses can give us some more advice
[06:23:00] <arti> Mattiep: what's up with your daughter?
[06:23:09] <arti> did she get some new cybernetic implants?
[06:23:14] <arti> faster, stronger, better?
[06:23:32] <xlefay> Mattiep, hoping for good news buddy :)
[06:24:03] <arti> sounds like an improvement!
[06:24:07] <Mattiep> I wish she did, that would be awesome
[06:24:20] <NCommander> I need a beer IV right now
[06:24:22] <Mattiep> instead she had half her pancreas removed about 2 1/2 weeks ago
[06:24:28] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[06:24:28] <deadbeef> Added quote 147
[06:24:48] <Mattiep> !beer NCommander
[06:24:55] <xlefay> !bier NCommander
[06:24:55] * deadbeef geeft een flesje jupiler aan NCommander
[06:24:57] <Mattiep> oh, did we lose that one?
[06:25:05] <Mattiep> ahh, wrong language
[06:25:07] <crutchy> arti: probably an apt-get update... sometimes there can be a few hiccups
[06:25:28] <xlefay> crutchy, I hate when that happens
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[08:28:13] <stderr> When the site says something like "Your points expire at 2014-04-21 08:04.", is that my local time, UTC or something else? If it's local time, it's already 08:27, so the text is a bit late... If it's UTC or something else, it should say so. (Or better, it should be switched to local time.)
[08:33:36] <chromas> Yep, mine expire five hours ago ;-)
[08:33:45] <chromas> will expire
[08:34:19] <chromas> I'm behind UTC by 7 hours so
[08:34:28] <chromas> UTC would be worse
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[11:07:10] <crutchy> stderr: i would have thought it would be per your user preferences
[11:08:00] <stderr> crutchy: So would I. That was what I meant by "local time".
[11:08:18] <crutchy> yeah
[11:08:19] <stderr> I.e. using the timezone configured in your preferences.
[11:08:22] <ar> http://asset-5.soup.io - unrelated gif
[11:08:54] <crutchy> bastards
[11:10:35] <crutchy> i'll bet the guy taking that video employed a few nails on the road next time he went flying model planes with his kid, else just don't do it on a thru road
[11:11:07] <crutchy> yeah actually doing anything on a thru road isn't really that wise
[11:11:32] <stderr> Especially driving... :-)
[11:11:42] <crutchy> oh yeah that's really dangerous
[11:11:45] <crutchy> :-D
[11:12:12] <crutchy> never can tell when you're gunna get hit by a model plane coming in to land
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[11:42:28] <SirFinkus> kid would have crashed it anyway
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[12:50:12] <kobach> http://www.huffingtonpost.com
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[13:00:37] <crutchy> g'day kobach
[13:12:21] <NCommander> Ugh, its going to be one of those mornings where I'm going to want to hang myself
[13:14:01] <crutchy> hang yourself with a lolly snake.... at least you can chew your way out of trouble if you change your mind
[13:14:09] <crutchy> :-P
[13:15:14] <crutchy> how you been anyway NCommander, besides your morning grief?
[13:16:01] <NCommander> crutchy, on a flight with two crying babies, one which sets off the other.
[13:16:19] <crutchy> ooh nasty
[13:16:31] <crutchy> long flight?
[13:16:32] <NCommander> Its crying in stereo
[13:16:38] <NCommander> No, just a hop from LGA-YYZ
[13:16:45] <NCommander> I don't normally mind THAT much
[13:16:56] <crutchy> got some headphones?
[13:17:00] <NCommander> but I honestly thing they need to do something about infants on barbie jets
[13:17:13] <NCommander> I'm one row behind them; there aren't noise cancelling headphones good enough
[13:17:23] <crutchy> i thought that's why they invented the cargo hold
[13:18:46] <NCommander> Oh wow
[13:18:49] <NCommander> a moment of silence
[13:18:56] <NCommander> Bet that ends the moment we get airborn
[13:19:03] <crutchy> alright... nobody move a muscle
[13:19:06] <crutchy> :-P
[13:19:28] <crutchy> usually the waiting on the tarmac is the worst for me
[13:19:49] <crutchy> when i'm airborne the engine vibration pretty much puts me to sleep
[13:20:08] <NCommander> I'm running off an hour of sleep
[13:20:18] <NCommander> Today going to be exciting for all the wrong reason
[13:20:22] <crutchy> that sucks
[13:20:25] <crutchy> what's up?
[13:20:27] <NCommander> *reasons
[13:20:30] <NCommander> at least T-Mobile offers free data roaming in Canada now
[13:21:12] <NCommander> just got yelled at by a flight attendent so tranquility is going in my bad. Joy
[13:21:18] <NCommander> *bag
[13:22:03] <crutchy> you should come visit australia
[13:22:09] <crutchy> we have crying babies of course
[13:22:15] <crutchy> but lots of open space too :-)
[13:23:20] <crutchy> i'll even let you in on a little secret... there's no such thing as drop bears
[13:23:31] <crutchy> (unless you feed a koala plenty of beer)
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[13:26:17] <crutchy> g'day NightHawk
[13:26:26] <crutchy> how's things up north?
[13:26:32] <NightHawk> hey dude, how's it going?
[13:26:45] <NightHawk> gettin' chilly. Had the fire lit for the last 3 nights.
[13:27:10] <crutchy> i cleaned out our gas heater last night
[13:27:42] <NightHawk> indoor or outdoor?
[13:27:43] <crutchy> not sure what is it atm cos i'm sitting next to an oil heater eating beef casserole spiced up to buggery
[13:27:47] <crutchy> indoor
[13:28:00] <crutchy> just a filter clean... not like a woodfire :-P
[13:28:24] <crutchy> gas = lazy :-D
[13:28:40] * NightHawk shrugs, heat is heat
[13:29:17] <crutchy> i grew up with a coonara... nothin beats redgum :-)
[13:29:32] <crutchy> just the smell alone
[13:29:41] <NightHawk> *nods*, our fire is a fan-forced conara
[13:29:50] <chromas> crutchy: https://matt.ucc.asn.au
[13:30:11] <crutchy> omg there is such a thing as a drop bear!
[13:30:45] <crutchy> no alcohol required
[13:31:01] <NightHawk> this particular dropbear likes to live inside dd-wrt compatible routers :-)
[13:31:41] <crutchy> must be cosy
[13:32:23] <NightHawk> I'll hold off until hoopsnakeSSHD is available
[13:32:39] <crutchy> lol
[13:33:15] <crutchy> haven't come across a hoopsnake... sounds deadly
[13:34:30] <crutchy> one-eyed trouser snakes can be a bother... they tend to bite women moreso
[13:34:45] <NightHawk> when I moved to Australia the now-wife warned me about them. I was geniunely disapointed when I found out that actual dropbears don't exist.
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[13:39:30] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:39:47] <crutchy> lol "so we can learn more about them by pissing them off immensely"
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[14:15:43] <NightHawk> Night all
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[14:18:26] <crutchy> mey mrbluze... what's up?
[14:20:34] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[14:20:41] <MrBluze> just got back from a long drive
[14:20:45] <MrBluze> how u goin?
[14:20:51] <crutchy> not bad
[14:21:05] <crutchy> i have a full belly :-)
[14:21:26] <crutchy> yummy casserole
[14:22:01] <MrBluze> yum
[14:22:04] <MrBluze> yeah i put on 1kg
[14:22:10] <MrBluze> ate like a pig
[14:22:15] <crutchy> lol
[14:22:18] <MrBluze> now i start back on losing it
[14:22:26] <crutchy> i made this myself too
[14:22:30] * MrBluze pings xlefay
[14:22:53] <crutchy> he's probably fallen over by now
[14:22:58] <MrBluze> tired?
[14:23:00] <crutchy> does he ever sleep?
[14:23:05] <MrBluze> ppl dont sleep enough
[14:23:08] <MrBluze> including me
[14:23:31] <MrBluze> and it leads to bad things
[14:23:47] * MrBluze pokes NCommander
[14:23:54] <MrBluze> i see if anyone is wakeys
[14:24:03] <crutchy> he's working on a really cool project though so i can understand the enthusiam that comes with
[14:24:16] <MrBluze> uhm.. yeah sort of
[14:24:19] <crutchy> shit
[14:24:33] <MrBluze> it is a cool project actually
[14:24:35] <MrBluze> as long as we dont wreck it
[14:24:41] <crutchy> don't type 'casserole' in a google image search
[14:24:56] <MrBluze> oh
[14:25:03] * MrBluze goes and does just that
[14:25:06] <crutchy> bad things happen
[14:25:26] <crutchy> like my tummy feels a bit emptier :-P
[14:25:38] <MrBluze> im gonna learn python and django, it seems
[14:25:47] <crutchy> mkay
[14:25:55] <crutchy> why is that?
[14:26:04] <crutchy> (not that its a bad thing)
[14:26:24] <MrBluze> there was this discussion on php and alternatives
[14:26:28] <MrBluze> how php is the devil or something
[14:26:41] <MrBluze> well it's no devil, but i do admit i learnt php cause it was just like c
[14:26:43] <crutchy> php is awesome
[14:27:00] <MrBluze> well ive never had a problem with it
[14:27:04] <MrBluze> and my code stood up
[14:27:05] <crutchy> i researched web languages before i started php
[14:27:12] <crutchy> there's a reason why its so popular
[14:27:25] <crutchy> but you already know :-)
[14:27:36] <MrBluze> true, but python is kind of nice because it has more applications
[14:27:50] <crutchy> mkay
[14:27:54] <MrBluze> although tbh for all those applications i use c/c++
[14:28:07] <MrBluze> ive been getting by just fine without python
[14:28:24] <crutchy> i'm prolly the same with delphi
[14:28:29] <MrBluze> brb wifey calling - a minute
[14:28:33] <crutchy> lol np
[14:28:38] <crutchy> say hi for me :-)
[14:28:55] <MrBluze> lol ok
[14:29:15] <MrBluze> delphi is nice
[14:29:22] <MrBluze> i just used free stuff all the time so i never went into it
[14:29:38] <crutchy> that is the one sucky thing about delphi
[14:29:53] <crutchy> i don't think i would try the newest version
[14:30:01] <MrBluze> yeah i have been doing mingw c++
[14:30:02] <crutchy> i'm still stuck on delphi 7
[14:30:06] <MrBluze> gcc
[14:30:27] <MrBluze> i started on turbo c++
[14:30:28] <crutchy> gcc is the benchmark i guess :-)
[14:30:29] <MrBluze> turbio c
[14:30:36] <MrBluze> turbo c .. borland.. that is
[14:30:48] <crutchy> c++ builder is very delphi-like
[14:30:48] <deadbeef> karma - c: 19
[14:30:53] <MrBluze> 6 disks or so, 1.2mb each
[14:30:57] <crutchy> lol
[14:31:17] <MrBluze> it took up nearly half the hard disk
[14:31:24] <MrBluze> but it was totally awesome.. especially inline asm
[14:31:56] <MrBluze> it made those 640kb and 4.77mhz go so much further
[14:32:40] <MrBluze> but what to teach the kids?
[14:32:54] <MrBluze> python came with the raspberry pi .. so i figured it must be considered ok
[14:34:18] <crutchy> i like asm for embedded
[14:34:27] <crutchy> but basic is apparently good too
[14:35:18] <MrBluze> basic? yes it actually compiles very efficiently
[14:35:34] <MrBluze> its just a step away from asm
[14:35:57] <crutchy> you can use gcc for embedded too though
[14:35:58] <MrBluze> i loved that about c.. u can go super high level, or super low level
[14:36:10] <MrBluze> yes but the code is bigger afaik
[14:37:14] <MrBluze> there's tiny c compilers for that i think
[14:37:27] <MrBluze> the problem is, there are SO many devices, changing SO fast
[14:37:52] <MrBluze> it's not worth writing end-user stuff without buying something like delphi that makes it work nicely on everything with one code base
[14:38:07] <MrBluze> .. or just write web apps
[14:38:33] <MrBluze> and for anything else, like a controller or something like that, i'd just use a raspberry pi - and develop it fast on that
[14:38:48] <MrBluze> dirt cheap, piss easy
[14:39:32] <crutchy> web apps are the way to go
[14:39:38] <MrBluze> they are
[14:39:46] <crutchy> that's why i got into php to begin with
[14:39:54] <MrBluze> yes same here
[14:40:09] <MrBluze> i found i could write 1000's of lines of code with very few mistakes
[14:40:19] <MrBluze> it all worked and i got it done in a couple of months
[14:40:29] <MrBluze> .. back in the day when i wasnt as busy as now
[14:40:39] <crutchy> delphi is awesome, and i can port a fair bit to linux with freepascal/lazarus, but even with delphi i started to find i was using sockets more
[14:40:57] <MrBluze> yeah that's just it
[14:41:02] <crutchy> yeah browsers take out a lot of work too
[14:41:08] <MrBluze> the way to go imho, is use a script like php .. or whatever - python or perl
[14:41:27] <MrBluze> and then put in c/c++ where needed
[14:41:29] <crutchy> i'm sure they're all good
[14:41:32] <crutchy> yeah
[14:41:33] <MrBluze> or delphi
[14:41:40] <crutchy> :-)
[14:41:57] <MrBluze> compiled code is hard to hijack ;)
[14:42:00] <crutchy> delphi plays nice with microsoft shit, which makes it easy
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[14:42:22] <MrBluze> oh.. mingw-c++ does too
[14:42:32] <MrBluze> i use wxwidgets for c++
[14:42:49] <crutchy> dunno. i think cos you can use tools like softice they aren't impenetrable
[14:42:55] <MrBluze> can get a user interface up and working very quickly
[14:43:37] <crutchy> SaaS has advantage that you have to break in before you can get the code
[14:43:57] <crutchy> compiled code is sorta still code to a hacker
[14:43:58] <MrBluze> yes true
[14:44:25] <tynin> hey all. i'm having a few issues. 1) when I try to post to http://soylentnews.org it acts like it posts, but then vanishes. I'm trying to post their because, 2) I've not gotten the email for the name change ballot.
[14:44:26] <MrBluze> but in a live environment
[14:44:50] <crutchy> and SaaS suckers your user base into paying subscription :-P
[14:45:09] <MrBluze> interesting, tynin
[14:45:36] <crutchy> g'day tynin... yeah i should prolly check my email
[14:45:58] <MrBluze> which vote's this for
[14:46:01] <MrBluze> the 90+ names?
[14:46:05] <tynin> yeah i think so
[14:46:19] <MrBluze> im not gonna bother voting it's just too hard
[14:46:22] <crutchy> lol there's votes as in plural?!
[14:46:37] <MrBluze> yeah first "vote" was to "suggest" names
[14:46:47] <MrBluze> now it's to choose between a plethora of names
[14:46:54] <crutchy> oh fuck
[14:46:57] <MrBluze> then who knows, i lost interest at that point
[14:46:58] <Bytram> tynin: Hi! Did you do a "Reply to This" on audioguy's post?
[14:47:07] <crutchy> no wonder everyone's pissed
[14:47:19] <MrBluze> uhm, yeah kinda
[14:47:21] <crutchy> lol
[14:47:32] <MrBluze> i had something else in mind but happily im on a hiatus
[14:47:45] <tynin> Bytram, no I used the Reply button at the buttom of the page.
[14:48:06] <Bytram> okay, give me a sec or two =)
[14:48:09] <MrBluze> it's all good, as long as at some point they can decide what this project is finally gonna be called, and then we (or I) can move on
[14:48:13] <tynin> Thanks! :)
[14:48:18] <crutchy> my hiatus is over... i'm sharpening my mental pick tonight to start chipping away again tomorrow
[14:48:36] <MrBluze> i started reading 'learning python the hard way' today
[14:48:45] <crutchy> lmao
[14:48:55] <MrBluze> im still not convinced i should abandon php cause i dont really follow the criticisms of it
[14:48:57] <Bytram> tynin: I see what happened.
[14:49:07] <crutchy> i started php with 'php and mysql for dummies" :-P
[14:49:25] <Bytram> your comment ended up being a reply to the *main article* rather than to that *comment* in the thread...
[14:49:44] <MrBluze> i started php with a text editor and the php resources website to look up the functions .. everything was totally easy
[14:49:59] <MrBluze> yeah and mysql i used the mysql website
[14:50:12] <Bytram> tynin: I loaded: http://soylentnews.org and looked through all the comments; you may not see everything at first depending on your settings...
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[14:50:31] <Bytram> tynin: but, your comment is on the article at: http://soylentnews.org
[14:50:51] <tynin> Ah! OK I see what happened. Thanks.
[14:50:53] <Bytram> tynin: and I found another one at: http://soylentnews.org
[14:50:57] <crutchy> g'day marty, mechanicjay
[14:51:03] <MrBluze> hi marty
[14:51:07] <Bytram> tynin: a
[14:51:12] <Bytram> tynin: an idea:
[14:51:16] <mechanicjay> hey crutchy
[14:51:41] <Bytram> tynin: load this in your browser: http://soylentnews.org
[14:51:51] <MrBluze> 'lo mj
[14:51:53] <Bytram> that is the link to where you went originally.
[14:52:01] <tynin> Bytram: OK
[14:52:19] <Bytram> click on the button: "Reply to This"
[14:52:27] <tynin> Bytram: will do. thanks for your assistance.
[14:53:31] <Bytram> then put in your comment AND also include these two links: http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org
[14:54:10] <crutchy> err... should we be taking note too?
[14:54:11] <Bytram> it would be helpful for those who come after you to note that you had hit "Reply" instead of "Reply to This"
[14:54:35] <MrBluze> it would be fair to call it a bug
[14:54:37] <Bytram> and that is why there are apparent duplicates. =)
[14:54:45] <MrBluze> "reply" should read "reply to article"
[14:55:11] <MrBluze> or something along those lines
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[14:56:06] <MrBluze> crutchy: it was ar who suggested php was evil
[14:56:11] <Bytram> hrm. I see what you mean... but I could put on my devil's advocate hat and say a venn diagram where I include everything on the page, then remove everything that has "Reply to This" leaves only the original article. :)
[14:56:42] <crutchy> that's ok... didn't he admit to liking RoR :-P
[14:57:00] <MrBluze> lol yes
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[14:57:22] <MrBluze> the problem with all of this is .. 'bad design' is 'i just dont like it cause i do it differently'
[14:57:25] <crutchy> i wouldn't have admitted that even if it were the case :-D
[14:57:31] <MrBluze> lol
[14:58:25] <crutchy> php is like a gun... it can be used for good or evil
[14:58:47] <crutchy> if you put it in the hands of a whackjob, well you can predict the outcome
[14:59:00] <MrBluze> .. yeah
[14:59:06] <MrBluze> perhaps it's like a british car
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[14:59:19] <MrBluze> people love them, but they are never quite mechanically sound
[14:59:23] <crutchy> build them like bomb shelters?
[14:59:26] <crutchy> oh
[14:59:40] <crutchy> :-)
[14:59:45] <MrBluze> like a morris mini - u tighten something to fix a rattle, and it causes an imbalance somewhere else
[14:59:52] <crutchy> lol
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[15:00:39] <MrBluze> but with continuous tinkering the damn things just go and go and go
[15:00:46] <crutchy> lol
[15:01:15] <MrBluze> the criticisms are right actually .. but the thing is can i make a website quickly that doesnt break easily with php? yes!
[15:01:21] <crutchy> xlefay helped me count the lines of code in my work app and there are more than i ever imagined. a lot of them i'm sure i haven't touched in years
[15:01:50] <crutchy> the thing has been used for about 3 years
[15:01:58] <MrBluze> yeah but if you try doing the same amount of work say in another scripting language like python (i would guess) .. it's a pain
[15:01:58] <crutchy> it just works
[15:02:06] <MrBluze> most alternatives lack the libraries
[15:02:38] <crutchy> i just don't really like the look of python as a language, regardless of its strengths
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[15:03:02] <crutchy> if i gotta type a lot of it, i gotta be comfortable with the syntax
[15:03:08] <MrBluze> i WAS going to learn perl
[15:03:15] <crutchy> yeah me too
[15:03:16] <SoyCow7691> hey, is feed working properly?
[15:03:18] <crutchy> then i saw it
[15:03:19] <MrBluze> but i never really liked egyptology
[15:03:29] <crutchy> lol
[15:03:31] <crutchy> i hear ya
[15:03:46] <MrBluze> i dont think i can find the keys on this keyboard that make the right symbols
[15:03:48] <crutchy> i prefer to read left to right
[15:04:02] <MrBluze> php is just text with curly braces
[15:04:10] <MrBluze> that's all there is to it
[15:04:13] <crutchy> like hugs :-)
[15:04:38] <crutchy> and gedit is like a warm milo :-P
[15:04:52] <MrBluze> lol yes on a cold day
[15:04:53] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: Hi! What are you seeing?
[15:05:14] <crutchy> he's prolly found one of the easter eggs
[15:05:26] <crutchy> tis that time of year :-P
[15:05:44] * MrBluze chuckles
[15:06:30] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: or, maybe a better question, what are you NOT seeing? =)
[15:06:46] <MrBluze> i'll learn python i think though .. i want to get my kids interested in robotics
[15:07:04] <SoyCow7691> Bytram: i tried to add it to my tt-rss instance and it gave a wrong url (paste soylentnews.org on add new feed)... but i corrected the url manually and it did work... i dont know what happened
[15:07:15] * crutchy is trying to transfer a whois command from a child process into the parent irc bot process and then to irc and back again through the bot to the child process
[15:07:58] * crutchy is a bit stuck trying to figure out best way to go about it
[15:08:02] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: so... it seems to be working for you now?
[15:08:21] <SoyCow7691> so... im kinda tired to the sensationalist of slashdot... the amount of posts starting with the best 7 ways to... came here to give the result of googling "slashdot alternative" a chance
[15:08:35] <SoyCow7691> the amount lately is staggering
[15:08:43] <crutchy> we have cows
[15:08:49] <crutchy> usually :-P
[15:08:51] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: Welcome! Good to "see" you!
[15:09:01] <MrBluze> SoyCow7691: welcome mate
[15:09:03] <SoyCow7691> i see less news
[15:09:08] * AndyTheAbsurd has a broken tt-rss install and is sad about it
[15:09:13] <SoyCow7691> lets see how well are they :>
[15:09:52] <SoyCow7691> i liked the medical and research news that pop up from time to time in slashdot... is there any of that in here?
[15:09:58] <MrBluze> well it's a younger site there is less traffic but generally i have been impressed with the quality of articles
[15:10:09] <MrBluze> there is, SoyCow7691
[15:10:28] <SoyCow7691> yay
[15:10:28] <MrBluze> pretty broad take on topics
[15:10:36] <SoyCow7691> :D
[15:10:45] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: in some ways, we're still finding our legs here, but w're in at the "ground floor" so to speak... umm, write!
[15:10:54] <crutchy> and deep analysis in here to go with it :-P
[15:10:58] <SoyCow7691> i mostly lurk and not comment much
[15:11:31] <Bytram> btw, I can't remember if I ever had a single article that I submitted at /. make it to the main page; here, I've had several. =)
[15:11:37] <MrBluze> SoyCow7691: if u are medical u should submit stuff if u find things in your travellings
[15:11:54] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: Hey! what MrBluze just said!
[15:12:01] <SoyCow7691> the slashdot beta didnt get to move me... basically because new sites would be empty... some months has passed
[15:12:04] <MrBluze> i've submitted about 14 or so most were accepted .. slowed down lately due to lack of time
[15:12:08] <SoyCow7691> lets give it a try!
[15:12:34] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: have you registered a nick on SN?
[15:12:35] <MrBluze> slashdot has gone all lame imho - i had a look at it recently and wasnt impressed
[15:12:49] * Bytram has not been there since the slashcott
[15:12:57] <Bytram> !uid
[15:12:57] <deadbeef> The current maximum UID is 4151, owned by caffeinated bacon
[15:13:01] <crutchy> sowcow is cool n all
[15:13:24] <crutchy> lol @ deadbeef
[15:13:26] <SoyCow7691> Bytram: no, i havent... i did once in sd... very long ago... and i think i used once... i mostly luck and anonymous comment from time to time
[15:13:44] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: so, you have a chance to get a coveted 4-digit UID!
[15:13:44] <MrBluze> all good
[15:13:53] <MrBluze> if u are ever bored SoyCow7691 there will be muds on here and so on
[15:14:13] <SoyCow7691> Bytram: ive got a very low lwn uid somewhere
[15:14:27] <SoyCow7691> but i basically lurk
[15:14:37] <SoyCow7691> almost never logged in
[15:14:43] <Bytram> I lurked on /. from before they even HAD uids and nicks... but waited until 6-digit before I registered there; regretted it many times, later.
[15:15:14] <SoyCow7691> why? people like to say comments is the best part of sd... but imho, they are pretty crappy
[15:15:25] <SoyCow7691> just a few 5 informative or 5 funny are okay
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[15:16:00] <MrBluze> slashdot had good comments a while back, but now it's all sanitized
[15:16:04] <MrBluze> too much pc
[15:16:06] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: if you register and get a nick, and tell me what it is, I can keep an eye open for your submission.
[15:16:21] <crutchy> except when ol' apk gets going ;-P
[15:16:25] <Bytram> =)
[15:16:40] <Bytram> crutchy: I added him to my hosts file. =)
[15:16:43] <crutchy> /invite apk
[15:16:47] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:16:57] <SoyCow7691> how about this
[15:17:09] <SoyCow7691> did you cover this? http://mvogt.wordpress.com
[15:17:28] <crutchy> he used to completely destroy a whole fucking comment thread with his blatherings :-P
[15:18:03] <MrBluze> no, we didnt cover that afaik
[15:18:17] <crutchy> does it have ponies?
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[15:18:40] <MrBluze> i guess it's news
[15:19:41] <SoyCow7691> to be honest i think the definive rating system has been invented already... and that is the reddit style... i like editorial style, but burrow unuseful comments is a must nowadays
[15:19:48] <crutchy> just chuck it in. i put in a link and a thought. i'm not crazy about poetry but i guess if you can summarize it in a bit of a sppel the editors might be more friendly
[15:19:54] <SoyCow7691> first post joke is recursively annoying
[15:20:17] <crutchy> mine was about thorium powered cars
[15:20:33] <crutchy> we haven't had a frosty piss awakening here yet
[15:20:58] <MrBluze> i dont like any comment to be invisible
[15:21:06] <MrBluze> even spam is interesting sometimes
[15:21:39] <MrBluze> couple of prosty fiss ones early on but not many
[15:21:42] <crutchy> some of the frosty piss jokes were actually quite clever... not usually the fp but some of the rehtoric that came from it
[15:21:54] <crutchy> @ /.
[15:22:24] <crutchy> usually all -1
[15:22:46] <MrBluze> yes
[15:22:52] <Bytram> SoyCow7691: I don't think I've seen that on the site; please submit it as a story for us to consider.
[15:23:27] <Bytram> gtg back in a half hour or so.
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[15:23:35] <crutchy> SoyCow7691: here we have recursive redundancy jokes :-P
[15:24:34] <MrBluze> iterative ones too, but i'm repeating myself
[15:24:40] <MrBluze> see above
[15:24:56] <crutchy> best to have a back up, just in case, to be safe
[15:25:45] <MrBluze> better be safe to be sure, and be sure to be safe
[15:25:51] <crutchy> goto MrBluze
[15:25:58] <MrBluze> break;
[15:26:28] <MrBluze> so anyway crutchy .. have u ever written code for controllers and stuff?
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[15:27:05] <crutchy> i got a atmega128 on a dev board, and avr studio isn't bad, but i haven't got out out for a while
[15:27:38] <SoyCow7691> i would blatanly copy /. news removing the slasvertisement
[15:27:45] <SoyCow7691> theres great value in that
[15:27:51] <SoyCow7691> (if you are low on news)
[15:27:52] <crutchy> i like the rs232 and A/D conversion stuff
[15:28:06] <MrBluze> what did u use to develop for those?
[15:28:19] <crutchy> in my old job i was a bit of a datalogging junkie
[15:28:27] <crutchy> flight testing etc
[15:28:30] <MrBluze> SoyCow7691: i like quirky news so i dont look to /. for that - they are generally reporting boring and inane stuff
[15:28:38] <MrBluze> ah k
[15:28:57] <MrBluze> a mate of mine writes controllers for farm equipment or remote field engineering stuff
[15:29:03] <crutchy> i loved sitting in a plane with my laptop testing code that did stuff with real sensors and data
[15:29:07] <MrBluze> but he uses c
[15:29:24] <crutchy> cool
[15:29:32] <MrBluze> just wondering if python is a better way
[15:29:33] <crutchy> mine was mainly delphi actually
[15:29:44] <MrBluze> cause scripted stuff is gonna be better in the long term i think
[15:30:01] <MrBluze> u can tinker directly without having to recompile every 2 seconds
[15:30:07] <SoyCow7691> MrBluze: i dont say not to include your own idea of quirky news... just saying that a very much larger userbase is able to generate a more variate content
[15:30:09] <crutchy> its generally gotta be compiled for embededed i thought
[15:30:14] <MrBluze> live update code etc
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[15:30:18] <crutchy> though embedded is coming a long way
[15:30:25] <SoyCow7691> and probably numbers are not in favor of soylent :>
[15:30:31] <MrBluze> yes true SoyCow7691 .. large userbase will happen in time if we do a good job
[15:31:01] <crutchy> we have a small and dedicated team of slaves... i mean volunteers :-P
[15:31:29] <SoyCow7691> yeah... well, im just saying blatanly copying stuff is not wrong
[15:31:56] <SoyCow7691> ill decide on quality on the next month :>
[15:32:16] <crutchy> but SN copying slashdot would be like torvalds building linux in visual basic
[15:32:31] <MrBluze> lol
[15:32:34] <Bytram|afk> just popped in for a sec; there is a consensus to try to NOT take stories from /. or |. etc.
[15:32:43] <SoyCow7691> not really... it would be like linus building linux copying unix
[15:32:47] <SoyCow7691> with the good bits
[15:32:49] <Bytram|afk> we want to survive on our own resources, so to speak
[15:33:18] <crutchy> we probably should build an automated slashdot apk simulator though
[15:33:20] <SoyCow7691> yeah... i understand that feeling
[15:33:27] <MrBluze> we'll get there
[15:33:30] <MrBluze> .. or else we won't
[15:33:33] <MrBluze> :)
[15:33:57] <SoyCow7691> ./ is not that bad for not wanting to copy from them
[15:34:08] <SoyCow7691> remove the 50% slasvertisemetn with your own stories
[15:34:24] <SoyCow7691> and you would have 100% awesome
[15:34:55] <crutchy> probably wouldn't hurt to check out their firehose once in a while just to get some good leads
[15:35:26] <crutchy> literally, not figuratively
[15:35:31] <crutchy> you dirty bastards
[15:35:35] <crutchy> :-P
[15:35:44] <SoyCow7691> yeah, it wouldnt... at least while the have the user/editor ratio lower than sn
[15:36:06] <MrBluze> no harm in that
[15:36:15] <MrBluze> as long as u write the articles yourself
[15:36:28] <crutchy> using the original source
[15:36:41] <SoyCow7691> yeah... thats what i mean obviosly
[15:36:47] <MrBluze> no one cares or asks where you source your stuff from as long as it's basically a reasonable write up
[15:36:52] <MrBluze> yes
[15:36:59] <SoyCow7691> the remove the slashvertisemnt part included removing the editor own opionon
[15:37:13] * crutchy hopes mrbluze won't be the editor looking at his post
[15:37:23] <MrBluze> lol
[15:38:58] <MrBluze> im pretty inactive
[15:39:16] <MrBluze> i have been sleeping a LOT last few days .. a lot of sleep debt
[15:39:28] <SoyCow7691> theres no such thing as sleep debt
[15:39:34] <SoyCow7691> thats a myth
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[15:39:49] <Woods> Crutchy: Hmmmm, shiny new car, eh?
[15:40:32] <SoyCow7691> is there some rss feed with the summary?
[15:40:49] <MrBluze> SoyCow7691: not a myth
[15:40:50] <crutchy> lol i wish
[15:40:54] <MrBluze> but anyway
[15:41:05] <MrBluze> ;) nice one to devbate
[15:41:59] <SoyCow7691> only able to use windows? you are fired u.u
[15:42:13] <SoyCow7691> i know this lure clicks but...
[15:42:17] <SoyCow7691> but...
[15:42:41] <SoyCow7691> (the ./ tittle was something similar btw....)
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[16:02:43] <crutchy> SoyCow7691: for me the department determines if i click a TFA link or not - the bit at the end of deadbeef's alert
[16:03:18] <crutchy> i really hope they never get rid of the department
[16:03:18] <MrBluze> yeah that's a pretty good guide
[16:03:32] <MrBluze> its like checking the price of a wine on the menu
[16:03:39] <Woods> lol
[16:03:40] <crutchy> lol
[16:03:45] <MrBluze> u go the second cheapest and it works every time
[16:04:01] <crutchy> >$2.50 is too much
[16:04:03] <MrBluze> except if it's the night u plan to propose or something
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[16:04:24] <Blackmoore> mornin
[16:04:28] <crutchy> yeah then you go to the cheapest :-P
[16:04:43] <crutchy> morning Blackmoore
[16:04:51] <Woods> "Is there anything cheaper than this $2.50 bottle of wine?"
[16:05:00] <crutchy> shit it just ticked over morning here too
[16:05:02] <crutchy> lol
[16:05:08] <Blackmoore> lol
[16:05:28] <crutchy> do you have a $2 menu?
[16:05:47] <Woods> Psh... More like $1.50 menu.
[16:05:48] <crutchy> maybe i should ask for a bottle of wine at maccas drivethrough
[16:05:53] <Blackmoore> well, I personally dont, but I've seen that at McD's
[16:05:59] <crutchy> with a happy meal
[16:06:02] <MrBluze> lol australia is overpriced
[16:06:10] <SoyCow7691> is there a rss feed with the summary available?
[16:06:16] <MrBluze> u can get good aussie wines in europe for less than aldi wines here
[16:06:28] <crutchy> wow
[16:06:40] <Blackmoore> SoyCow7691: there is an RSS feed
[16:06:55] <crutchy> i think aldi wines are generally local too though (well the ones i drink)
[16:08:39] <Blackmoore> SoyCow7691: sadly I dont use RSS.. i do get the summary in email
[16:09:13] <Woods> Oohhh, well... I have the summary mailed to me... Like, on paper.
[16:11:02] <SoyCow7691> any admin here? my question is if its intentional or a mistake
[16:11:16] <SoyCow7691> ive seen plenty of intentional weird rss over the years
[16:12:02] <MrBluze> i dont use rss either
[16:12:25] <MrBluze> i know this was discussed weeks ago
[16:12:39] <MrBluze> but i dont recall the outcome - rss was problematic with the original slash code
[16:13:00] <Blackmoore> I could swear NC had gotten RSS working
[16:14:13] <MrBluze> yes but not sure about full summaries
[16:14:29] <Popeidol> I think full summaries are definitely on the to-do list when time allows
[16:14:33] <SoyCow7691> http://soylentnews.org is working but without summaries
[16:14:45] <Popeidol> to be honest, it's the main limiting factor on how often I visit the site
[16:17:56] <crutchy> i had better bug out... work tomoz
[16:18:00] <crutchy> cyas
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[16:19:10] <Popeidol> (I'm guessing it's still on the cards primarily from the bug report: https://github.com )
[16:22:48] <Blackmoore> Woods: On paper? cripes, I was asking for a copy delivered by foot messenger on clay tablets in ceuniform. but that just doesnt seem to fly.
[16:24:04] <MrBluze> im knackered
[16:24:05] <MrBluze> gnite all
[16:24:45] <Woods> Blackmoore: Literally.
[16:24:56] <Blackmoore> gnight MrBluze
[16:25:03] <MrBluze> nite nite
[16:25:09] <Woods> Hasta
[16:25:18] <Woods> Messengers carrying clay tablets are not known for their aerodynamics.
[16:25:37] <Blackmoore> that's what the trebuchets are for
[16:25:53] <MrBluze> we were working on carrier pigeon but a virus put an end to that
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[16:26:54] <Blackmoore> well it would have been better than passenger pigeon. youd be surprised how many you needed to sit on.
[16:26:58] <crutchy|zzz> there was a proposed rfc involving fat porn pigeons a while back
[16:27:19] <crutchy|zzz> i think it's been superseded by pcp/ip
[16:28:15] <Blackmoore> the ping time is a bit long. bit it can work.
[16:29:21] <Blackmoore> anyway g'nigh crutchy|zzz
[16:29:34] <crutchy|zzz> night
[16:29:44] <Blackmoore> i thought you had already split
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[16:30:57] <crutchy|zzz> i'm in the process of splitting... it long drawn out and complicated... involving peeling eyes away from screen :-P
[16:31:31] <weeds> Good Morning
[16:31:40] <Blackmoore> mornin
[16:31:41] <Woods> Would it help if we stopped talking about archaic forms of communication that we still use?
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[16:32:26] <Blackmoore> or have we just made you interested in trowing the messenger by trebuchet
[16:33:31] <Blackmoore> ya know I'd joke about getting a telegraph feed, but I'd be afraid NC would see it as a challenge
[16:36:18] <Blackmoore> http://www.reddit.com
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[16:41:39] <Woods> Blackmoore: Baaahahaha.
[16:42:06] <Woods> That sounds sooooo familiar.
[16:42:30] <Blackmoore> yeah, way too familiar
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[16:42:53] <Blackmoore> i make that mistake myself at least once a month
[16:43:05] <Blackmoore> I rather liked the REM filk
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[16:43:24] <Woods> Oh, no. I mean from the support perspective. I -never- make mistakes.
[16:43:34] <Woods> Not even that one time.
[16:43:35] <Blackmoore> lol
[16:44:22] <Blackmoore> The Tech support senses: sight sound smell touch foreboding
[16:44:43] <Blackmoore> reminds me. I need to go purchase a new HD
[16:45:28] <Woods> I like that taste is entirely replaced.
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[16:46:28] <Blackmoore> well, i suppose you COULD lick the system..
[16:46:39] <Blackmoore> it would still taste like ineptitude
[16:47:10] <Blackmoore> or provide a nasty shock
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[16:50:06] <Woods> I would not want that nasty user ingorance aftertaste anyway.
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[17:08:35] <Blackmoore> morning TK
[17:08:44] <Blackmoore> saustin_: having issues?
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[17:31:03] <Woods> Saustin is just trying to make the grandest entrance.
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[17:40:56] <Blackmoore> Hmph, looks more like me stumbling out of the bedrom in the morning
[17:41:27] <Woods> Do you have a revolving door in your bedroom or something?
[17:43:59] <Blackmoore> no. but that would actually stop the stumbling.
[17:44:23] <Blackmoore> (contemplates installing a revolving door)
[17:45:33] <Blackmoore> *visualizing what happens to cartoons when they hit revolving door*
[17:52:44] <Landon> .http://www.rogerbinns.com/blog/support-tale.html
[17:52:49] <Landon> painful to read :(
[17:57:44] <Blackmoore> geh.
[18:00:59] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - How Urban Anonymity Disappears - http://sylnt.us - you-cannot-be-a-nobody-anymore
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[18:55:19] <TK> mornin
[18:55:34] * mrcoolbp tips hat
[18:55:37] <TK> Pardon me, I was being productive :)
[18:56:33] <TK> Actually soon to be noon for me
[18:57:03] <mrcoolbp> it's 1 here, and I got to run to work myself in a few
[19:00:06] <TK> Fortunate or unfortunate?
[19:00:33] <TK> I wouldn't mind working from home, too bad my software license is here :(
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[19:04:45] * mrcoolbp doesn't work at home
[19:05:07] <mrcoolbp> it's not unfortunate per-se, but I do have to leave so I can't stay here working on SN
[19:05:51] <mattie_p> well, see you later, mrcoolbp
[19:06:07] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I should probably hop in the shower
[19:06:15] <mrcoolbp> take it easy mattie_p
[19:06:24] <mrcoolbp> maybe I'll be back later tonight
[19:06:25] <mattie_p> you too
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[19:07:34] <mrcoolbp> TK did you get signed up for the vote okay?
[19:09:22] <TK> I got the email with the names
[19:09:27] <TK> So I guess yes
[19:09:30] <TK> this morning
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[19:32:08] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Help Scientists Record One Day of Sound on Earth - http://sylnt.us - Tree-Falling-in-the-Forest
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[19:39:19] <Blackmoore> NCommander: issues with MC server?
[19:41:56] <NCommander> Blackmoore, issues in RL. I'm starting to see shit as blocks
[19:42:19] <NCommander> The place I'm staying has oddly square things, like a big block of wood for a seat
[19:45:18] <Blackmoore> oh good god.
[19:45:46] <Blackmoore> i wish i could share the pic i took with my phone two weeks ago.
[19:46:05] <Blackmoore> the damn chairs looked like they feel out of MC
[19:46:31] <Blackmoore> yeah. time to step back.
[19:50:07] <Woods> I started having a similar issue after playing 2048 for 5 hours. My brain suddenly felt the urge to combine like-sized objects into a single, larger object.
[19:50:09] <Woods> It was weird.
[19:51:58] <Woods> It made driving -really- tough.
[19:52:20] * Teckla used to play StarCraft with a group of friends every Saturday, and would often have StarCraft dreams that night
[19:53:44] <n1> starcraft dreams... sounds like something, like a song title
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[19:57:10] <Blackmoore> I had some wiered shit in my dreams trying to combine 2048 and MC ..brrrr.
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[19:58:34] <Woods> Oh geeze. I could imagine the inventory limit definitely not helping there.
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[20:06:55] <Blackmoore> *it's a full stack! why wont it combine!*
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[20:49:53] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody! :)
[20:50:05] <Woods> Hi.
[20:50:12] <michealpwalls> How are things?
[20:50:43] <Woods> I cannot think of a good adjective for "soylent"
[20:51:33] <Blackmoore> spiffy.
[20:51:45] <michealpwalls> Soylentest?
[20:51:50] <michealpwalls> hehe!
[20:51:59] <Blackmoore> soylently?
[20:52:09] <michealpwalls> White Soylent?
[20:52:15] <michealpwalls> Soylently White Soylent!
[20:52:29] <michealpwalls> LMAO is that adjectivey enough for you? :D
[20:52:42] <Woods> Sounds moldy.
[20:52:48] <michealpwalls> haha
[20:53:00] <michealpwalls> As long as it's not the black soylent, that stuff'll kill ya!
[20:53:01] <michealpwalls> :D
[20:53:10] <Teckla> It's Soylentific!
[20:53:24] <michealpwalls> haha what about Organic Soylent?!
[20:53:33] <michealpwalls> It's the greatest thing since Sliced Bread! :D
[20:54:18] <Woods> Organic Soylent... Range-fed humans (?!!?!)
[20:54:24] <michealpwalls> haha exactly
[20:54:34] <michealpwalls> No artificial colours, humans or anti-biotics.
[20:54:53] <michealpwalls> No artificial humans. Plenty of the natural ones!
[20:55:07] <Woods> lol
[20:55:13] <michealpwalls> Someone was saying that the novel clearly didn't use humans...!
[20:55:29] <michealpwalls> Which is weird 'cause the movie *definately* used Humans hehehe
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[20:55:36] <Woods> These humans were free range, never kept in a little box.
[20:55:44] <Woods> Wait, oh God. I am a free-range human.
[20:55:49] <michealpwalls> haha we believe in humane treatment for our humans!
[20:55:51] <sgleysti> I would like to see the preliminary name voting results. Is there a way to do that?
[20:56:56] <michealpwalls> I voted for SoylentNews. I know, I know.. I'm creative :D
[20:57:17] <Woods> I kinda like Beardrhetoric.
[20:57:54] <sgleysti> me too
[20:57:58] <michealpwalls> Honestly, Soylent is a multi-layered name. It's informative and funny at the same time. It is also what I would naturally think of to get back here [The site]
[20:58:03] <sgleysti> but it's not very female friendly
[20:58:12] <michealpwalls> Also, with that in mind, I think soylentnews.org should remain active for awhile to redirect to whatever the new domain is..
[20:58:15] <michealpwalls> For simpletons like me :P
[20:58:27] <Woods> I am sure it will stay SoylentNews
[20:58:41] <Woods> It is indeed my favorite, and, as you suggested, layered.
[20:59:00] <sgleysti> s/but/s\/word\/word2\//
[20:59:00] <SedBot> <sgleysti> s/word/word2/ it's not very female friendly
[20:59:02] <michealpwalls> I have the most defective memory ever LMAO. I will probs type soylentnews.org in perpetuity now that it's muscle memory :/
[20:59:10] <sgleysti> that should have recursed
[20:59:15] <michealpwalls> LOL sgleysti
[20:59:21] <michealpwalls> That was the best replace ever
[20:59:58] <sgleysti> I love the "open all in tabs" that firefox has for bookmark folders
[21:00:05] <sgleysti> i do it for webcomics
[21:00:05] <michealpwalls> Yea
[21:00:31] <michealpwalls> Opera has a tonne of really powerful features.. Although as they transition to the new engine it's suffering from a lot of regressions lately :/
[21:00:49] <sgleysti> backwards is the new forwards
[21:00:59] <michealpwalls> LMAO sgleysti. Seems that way yea :/
[21:01:02] <sgleysti> regress is the new progress
[21:01:05] <michealpwalls> hah
[21:01:08] <sgleysti> slavery is freedom
[21:01:09] <Woods> Sgleysti: No feed reader?
[21:01:17] <sgleysti> truth is <finish quote>
[21:01:32] <sgleysti> i'm not entirely sure what that is or how to set it up
[21:01:46] <sgleysti> do they have to enable feeds on their websites? or does it work generally
[21:01:48] <michealpwalls> RSS reader?
[21:02:22] <Woods> Both, mostly.
[21:02:25] <michealpwalls> I officially gave up on Firefox in a nerd rage recently.
[21:02:40] <Woods> The good readers can grab a feed without something specific, but most websites provide a feed anyway.
[21:03:15] <Woods> With webcomics in particular, it may not grab the comic in the reader itself, but it at least provides a link when a new comic is posted.
[21:03:26] <sgleysti> https://xkcd.com
[21:03:34] <michealpwalls> Yea there's a way to link your feed in the meta tags, so any modern browser will notice that linked resource and add the universal "RSS Feed" icon in the address bar, which you shoul dbe able to click/right-click/swipe/tap to add the feed to your bookmarks/favorites
[21:03:53] <michealpwalls> Same with open search ^
[21:03:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> The Dilbert RSS feed used to have the comic in-line, now it's just got a link to the comic
[21:04:02] <michealpwalls> To add your site's search to your browser search bar
[21:04:17] <michealpwalls> hah AndyTheAbsurd. THat's backwards :/
[21:04:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> so instead of keeping it in my RSS reader, I keep in the bookmarks folder that I do "open all in tabs" on every morning
[21:04:34] <sgleysti> AndyTheAbsurd: add revenue
[21:04:50] <Woods> Sgleysti: Indeed.
[21:04:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> sgleysti: yeah probably, was nicer the other way though.
[21:05:16] * AndyTheAbsurd should get back to fixing his LAMP stack VM.
[21:05:22] <sgleysti> so, is there no way to see how the name vote is going?
[21:05:32] <Woods> Probably not.
[21:05:40] * AndyTheAbsurd will be able to read 500+ new items in TinyTinyRSS once it's fixed.
[21:05:56] <michealpwalls> AndyTheAbsurd: Ohhh that reminds me of Opera SpeedDial's "dial groups", or whatever the hell it's called lately.. Basically, like all start pages with the tiled links to your frequent sites, you can group sites into a group and then click the group, 'causing all sites to load in background tabs.
[21:06:11] <michealpwalls> So for example, all my web-mail accounts in one group.. Click it and bazinga, all my mails loaded and logged in
[21:06:45] <Woods> Hm, interesting.
[21:06:47] <michealpwalls> Wanta screen shot? LOL that's confusing ^
[21:06:52] <Woods> No, I got it
[21:06:55] <michealpwalls> kk hehe
[21:07:02] <michealpwalls> I suck at verbally explaining things
[21:07:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> it sounds like the "start page" that browsers are doing lately, combined with the "open all tabs" concept.
[21:07:13] <Woods> Though if you want to provide a screenshot with your usernames/passwords, I would be willing to oblige.
[21:07:28] <Woods> Pretty clever.
[21:08:00] <michealpwalls> LOL Woods
[21:08:02] <Woods> AndyTheAbsurd: Did you use Google Reader before they broke it? Man, I miss that site.
[21:08:11] <michealpwalls> Yea, that site was elegant...
[21:08:22] <Woods> Simple, minimalistic, sigh!
[21:08:36] <Woods> I think I just swooned over a dead website.... I need help.
[21:08:53] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:09:18] <michealpwalls> Just a good example of why 'The Cloud' isn't for everything :09
[21:09:21] <michealpwalls> hehe
[21:09:30] <michealpwalls> At least, not soley :P
[21:09:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woods: yeah, I did. Fortunately I exported my feeds list before they closed it!
[21:10:04] <michealpwalls> I like, for example dropbox.. It's cloud-storage but it's on all my local disks too. Even the service stopped or temporarily went down, it's not like I lose all my data :/
[21:10:31] <michealpwalls> Whereas those pure 'cloud' services, if they go down you've lost everything. There's a cloud-IDE craze going on right now, makes me cringe...
[21:10:38] <Woods> AndyTheAbsurd: What do you use? I have been going with Netvibes, but it suuuucks.
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[21:11:22] <michealpwalls> That xkcd comic is hilarious
[21:11:23] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - 3D Metal Printer and Miller in One Machine - http://sylnt.us - does-everything-except-the-dishes
[21:11:23] <Woods> I know right, Michaelpwalls? Another excellent service, if you are willing to overlook the fact that all your data is available to everyone in the event of a breach.
[21:11:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> TinyTinyRSS, self-hosted on a VM (which broke, badly, last Saturday, and I was on a business trip to the other side of the US and didn't get a chance to fix it until now...fortunately my boss gave me a comp day so I have time to work on it.)
[21:11:50] <michealpwalls> hah, yea privacy is like a footnote of history Woods :/
[21:11:56] <michealpwalls> Seriously hehe
[21:12:00] <michealpwalls> Just Submit Unto Google.
[21:12:27] <Woods> I have my resume on my Dropbox, so if someone DOES take my data, and sees it, they might like what they see and decide to hire me.
[21:12:31] <Woods> Long shot, but you know...
[21:12:46] <michealpwalls> My whole life is in the hands of those corporations LOL
[21:13:04] <michealpwalls> For about the same reason :P
[21:13:10] * Teckla is hopelessly dependent on Google
[21:13:46] <Teckla> Email? Google. Word processor documents? Google. Spreadsheets? Google? File backups? Google. Calendar? Google.
[21:13:59] <michealpwalls> Yea if Google services suddently went down, I'd be so screwed... Left sitting at home not even sure if I should go to work or not
[21:14:02] <michealpwalls> LMAO or what the fuck day it is.
[21:14:12] * Teckla chuckles
[21:14:25] <michealpwalls> Even if I went to work, what would I do? LMAO!
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[21:14:29] <Teckla> Their services just meet my needs so damn well :(
[21:14:48] <Woods> Looks pretty nice, AndyTheAbsurd.
[21:15:08] <michealpwalls> That's exactly it, Teckla. I used to resist like a crazy person, but honestly it was at my own expense..
[21:15:23] <michealpwalls> The convenience of their services is top-notch. It's clearly designed specifically with my use-cases in mind :/
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[21:15:59] <Woods> Michaelpwalls: I was in the same boat, until they released the first Android phone.
[21:16:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woods: It's okay, about equivalent to the old Google Reader. Different keyboard shortcuts but you can get used to that pretty quickly.
[21:17:08] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Yeah, I'm technical enough to solve all my needs with alternatives, but I'm at that age where I've got other priorities and no longer care to dick around with stuff as a hobby.
[21:17:25] <michealpwalls> A lot of what I used to critique about Google was ignorance on my part. I used to think their Google Accounts insisting on a mobile number was blatant privacy invasion... Until I seen that shit in action LMAO.
[21:17:32] <Woods> AndyTheAbsurd: It looks pretty light. Netvibes is heavy, and suuuuucks. It is not exactly made to do what I want it to do. Almost like feed reading is just a "bonus" feature that was thrown in because Google Reader was dying.
[21:17:43] <michealpwalls> Seriously, this woman forgets her gmail password. No problem, right? We'll just reset and she'll check her other email...
[21:17:56] <michealpwalls> LMAO she can't even remember the *address* of her old email, nevermind the pw (dull)
[21:18:03] <Woods> Nice.
[21:18:12] <michealpwalls> So the service txt her the pw and info to her phone.. I was like "Wow, interesting.."
[21:18:31] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Not to mention: two step verification, which I consider mandatory.
[21:18:36] <michealpwalls> Which proves beyond a doubt it's her, logically :/
[21:18:41] <michealpwalls> Yea
[21:19:00] <michealpwalls> That all just never really occurred to me before haha.. I figured it was just some cop-out to steal people's phone numbers LOL
[21:19:39] <Woods> lol. Everyone already has my phone number anyway... Probably.
[21:19:51] <Woods> And yet, nobody ever calls. :(
[21:19:54] <Woods> lol
[21:20:00] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:20:15] <Teckla> Woods: People still use their cell phones to make... calls? ;)
[21:20:27] <michealpwalls> Yea, what is this "calls"?
[21:20:29] <michealpwalls> Is that an App?
[21:20:45] <Blackmoore> funny thing for me, Verizon does that and I'm fine with them having my cell phone.. but Google? i cant do it
[21:21:48] <Woods> Yeah, my parents still call me, they are not big on texting.
[21:23:08] <michealpwalls> hehe Blackmoore. Render unto Google the things that are Google's, and unto God the things that are God's.
[21:23:14] <michealpwalls> :)
[21:24:34] <michealpwalls> Google 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
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[21:25:48] <Woods> Now we got some crazy guy quoting the Google Bible in channel, geeze.
[21:26:00] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:26:23] <Woods> I already have religion, buddy. Long live Helix, or whatever is popular these days.
[21:26:39] <Teckla> I think Google is probably one of the best big tech companies there is (in terms of not being evil) but the danger is that some day their senior leadership will change and then you need to start worrying.
[21:26:52] <Blackmoore> mmm.. "and the lord said; For the NSA is Evil, and we will give them your information upon deman"
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[21:28:12] <michealpwalls> Teckla: Well said. That's the real danger with any Government, too, obtaining too much power. Sure, Obama may not use the laws passed after 9/11, however when he steps down the laws don't... It's the same with Google. A sudden change in upper-management could mean a massive change in corporate policies :/
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[21:29:09] <michealpwalls> The fact that Google provides search capabilities for something crazy like 90% of internet users... That's staggering!
[21:29:27] <michealpwalls> In another way, you could say Google is the gateway of information to 90% of people looking for information..
[21:30:04] <Blackmoore> *misses gopher*
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[21:30:22] <Woods> Ah! Found it. http://www.xkcd.com
[21:30:51] <Woods> The last two panes are the most relevant.
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[21:33:02] <michealpwalls> haha
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[21:34:41] <michealpwalls> What's really frightening is more symbolic I think. I mean, consider Google is the #1 search provider, #1 online streaming service, #1 maps, #1 mobile operating system, Probably #1 browser although ahven't seen updated numbers on that...
[21:34:57] <michealpwalls> And then the smaller, lesser known things they dominate in the area of libraries and developer tools..
[21:35:04] <Teckla> michealpwalls: I agree :(
[21:35:11] <michealpwalls> I mean, it's safe to say Firefox would be a crippled fucking mess if it wasn't for Google's libraries and services...
[21:35:11] <Woods> mmhmm, definitely
[21:35:24] <michealpwalls> That is also true of many many things right now. It's a very odd time we live in LOL
[21:35:31] <Teckla> Actually, I think substantial gov't power is OK provided there is a lot of oversight and procedure
[21:37:00] <michealpwalls> Well that's what makes it so frightening... The construction of floating data-centers and the very recent "think-tank style" discussion of a fucking floating workstation... As absolutely fucked up as it might sound, Google could be in the position to have their core employees in a state of international law.. Where no one nation's laws govern Google's conduct.
[21:37:03] <michealpwalls> *that* is fucked up..
[21:37:12] <michealpwalls> International waters are free of national laws..
[21:38:04] <Blackmoore> still, those employees would have to go back to the mainland at some point
[21:38:09] <michealpwalls> And then, really, what do you do? That's not exactly something they're teaching Political Science students right now.. YOu know, how to do with a multi-national corporation with more money than you, that operates outside your legal jurisdiction.. WTF do you do? :/
[21:38:40] <Blackmoore> didnt google buy one of the NASA launchpads too?
[21:38:57] <michealpwalls> Well Google wants to explore mining asteroids/comits..
[21:39:01] <michealpwalls> So it wouldn't surprise me..
[21:39:06] <Blackmoore> If you're gonna have the HQ at sea; they still need internet feed
[21:39:13] <michealpwalls> Not Google alone, there's other companies with them I think
[21:39:18] <michealpwalls> It's like a joint-venture, or something
[21:39:40] <Blackmoore> they dont need to launch a satalite. just a bunch of drones or hot-air baloons
[21:39:50] <Woods> Blackmoore: They have a whole division rolling out fiber across the USA.
[21:40:06] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: I'm not an IT guy so I'm not sure.. But if Google has data-centers floating in the ocean, they have their own Google DNS services.. What besides basic cables would they need from a nation? :/
[21:40:10] <Blackmoore> but not fiber in the pacific/
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[21:40:18] <michealpwalls> Not to mention... Google Fiber, is run all over the U.S and it's their own wires haha...
[21:40:58] <Blackmoore> but IF they are in international waters.. do they have to bother with takedown notices?
[21:41:04] <michealpwalls> On the outside looking in, it looks as though Google is building a very nation-independent system no? :/
[21:41:13] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: Exactly! No they would not..
[21:41:18] <Blackmoore> yes, it does
[21:41:18] <michealpwalls> Same with Taxes... And Laws..
[21:41:22] <michealpwalls> All of it
[21:42:21] <michealpwalls> It's *all* based on your company operating *within* the national bounderies.. If the company is outside your borders, you might as well be Somalia, 'cause nobody has to listen :/
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[21:53:44] <Blackmoore> all with the benefit of being in control of who is on the ship.. until the US navy shows up.
[21:56:24] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:56:41] <michealpwalls> That's what private security is for, though?
[21:56:42] <michealpwalls> :P
[21:56:46] <Cyprus> as if the google navy doesn't use google maps
[21:56:54] <michealpwalls> haha Cyprus
[21:57:13] <michealpwalls> "Sir, we can't find them. Someone disabled our Google Maps account, all these systems are fucking useless now :/"
[21:57:16] <michealpwalls> (hifive)
[21:57:24] <Cyprus> no doubt though, if they wanted to, they could be like seaorg, except effective
[21:57:45] <michealpwalls> Yea, and not batshit crazy ^
[21:57:53] <michealpwalls> LOL assuming you meant that crazy Scientology ship
[21:58:22] <michealpwalls> Time to pack up and start making my way home. Take care guys :)
[21:58:32] <Woods> Later.
[21:58:47] <Cyprus> yes the crazy scientology org
[21:59:30] <Blackmoore> gnight
[22:00:16] <Cyprus> im just waiting for them to privatize GPS and then have google buy it
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[23:30:53] <Woods> E-mail to the helpdesk: "No records found displays when pax tries to get his status."
[23:31:28] <Woods> Parenthesis around the bits I do not understand: "(No records found displays) when (pax) tries to (get his status)."
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[23:32:24] <chromas> You're right; it should be "found) displays"
[23:34:36] <Woods> Oohhhhh, you are right. I did not understand that bit without any punctuation. Thanks!
[23:35:17] <chromas> "$string" displays when $user tries to $action
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[23:36:20] <Woods> Right, of course, but: Everyone in the company knows that Helpdesk does not run their software, and we do not support it. There is a different group that does that entirely.
[23:36:36] <Woods> Also, "pax" is not the name of anyone here, nor is it initials. That is the most baffling part for me.
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[23:37:17] <Blackmoore> well, send out the replay in pig-latin.
[23:37:22] <Landon> pax as in passengers?
[23:37:31] <Woods> Is that a thing, Landon?
[23:37:37] <Landon> yeah
[23:37:43] <Woods> Oh, yeah. That is probably it then
[23:38:12] <Landon> came up a lot in ... flight sim? or amtrak research? I was doing, a jargon thing
[23:38:16] <Blackmoore> Penny Arcde Expo?
[23:38:24] <Woods> We do travel stuff, so it makes sense.
[23:38:39] <Landon> Blackmoore: that's why I was so confused at first, I'm in some channels with expo crew
[23:38:39] <Blackmoore> http://en.wikipedia.org
[23:38:43] <Woods> That is what I thought, Blackmoore... And then I thought of Kevin Spacey.
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[23:39:29] <Blackmoore> it's like tech Support Mad libs!
[23:39:56] <Woods> I guess the user means it is a website issue, which is still not Helpdesk. Getting closer, though.
[23:40:00] <Blackmoore> the __NOUN__ is __VERB__
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[23:46:56] <Blackmoore> :( yahoo is choking on the voting email - when i try to reply.
[23:47:17] <Blackmoore> it thinks it may be spam.
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[23:48:24] <Woods> Blackmoore: I actually have a simple excuse generator that I can use when I need to feed someone some BS about why something is broken. Yeah, there was a uhhh... "Localised Metadata Reclock Error", so the server will be down for another hour.
[23:51:26] <Blackmoore> nice!
[23:53:03] <Woods> Stole it from the BOFH site, did some upgrades, quite nice.
[23:53:51] <Blackmoore> :)
[23:56:31] <michealpwalls> That site's hilarious
[23:56:57] <Woods> Indeed it is. I cannot wait until I get my own PFY some day.
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[23:57:23] <Cyprus> has the voting actually started?
[23:57:25] <Woods> And with that, I must be leaving. Have a good day, everyone.
[23:57:30] <mattie_p> on the name? yes
[23:57:38] <mattie_p> later, Woods
[23:57:52] <Cyprus> i only recieved the initial name suggestion email, when did the actual voting start?
[23:58:10] <michealpwalls> Take care, Woods!
[23:58:30] <mattie_p> Sunday, check your spam filter again or contact audioguy if you are missing your ballot
[23:58:41] <Cyprus> was not in spam filtering
[23:58:55] <mattie_p> there are notes in the sidebar on the left side of the soylentnews site about this
[23:59:10] <mattie_p> and we'll have yet another story on it ... soon