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[00:21:34] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Satellite Communications Open to Malicious Hacking - http://sylnt.us - those-pesky-hackers
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[01:40:32] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Powdered Alcohol Now Approved - http://sylnt.us - its-the-weekend
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[03:27:17] <NCommander> evening world
[03:29:20] <crutchy> good evening NCommander
[03:29:33] * NCommander has minecraft pocket edition on his phone now
[03:29:37] <NCommander> Life == interrupted
[03:29:47] <crutchy> sounds dangerous
[03:31:57] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Measles Epidemic Helps Against Smallpox Later - http://sylnt.us
[03:33:27] <MrBluze> evening
[03:34:16] <crutchy> g'morning mrbluze :-)
[03:34:55] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[03:34:59] <crutchy> do you have chocolatey kiddywinks?
[03:35:06] <MrBluze> yeah
[03:35:14] <MrBluze> european wasps are having orgasms at the fly-wire
[03:35:31] <crutchy> ooh their bad
[03:35:44] <crutchy> s/i/ey'r/
[03:35:44] <SedBot> <crutchy> ooh theey'rr bad
[03:35:51] <crutchy> :-/
[03:36:02] <MrBluze> yeah but good ol' homebrand surface spray is causing a nice pile of em to form on the footpace
[03:38:02] <crutchy> i still remember a huge nest of the bastards around the top of the chimney bricks of my home growing up as a kid
[03:38:26] <crutchy> had to call in the experts
[03:38:44] <MrBluze> there's a spray now
[03:38:51] <MrBluze> i used some a month ago on a nest but it took two weeks for the nest to die
[03:39:07] <MrBluze> they didnt swarm but they kind of petered out
[03:41:34] <arti> evening
[03:41:44] * juggs is sometimes effin glad he lives on an inhospitable atlantic rocky outcrop, where wasps are thumbnail sized and carry a mild sting. I'm kind of fond of my resident mason bees that dozily drop into the fireplace in spring then wobble around trying to find an exit.
[03:41:47] * crutchy salutes
[03:41:49] <MrBluze> evening arti
[03:42:07] * juggs does the silly walk
[03:42:17] <crutchy> tea++
[03:42:17] <deadbeef> karma - tea: 1
[03:42:19] * arti does a variant
[03:42:35] * crutchy does a pointer
[03:42:53] * arti has nothing
[03:43:08] <juggs> it's rude to point
[03:43:20] <arti> it's the legs, does it to me every time
[03:43:22] * arti adjusts
[03:43:46] <arti> tableskirts.sh
[03:44:15] * MrBluze does a global
[03:44:19] <crutchy> xcowsay `tableskirts.sh`
[03:44:27] * juggs throws a sackful of millipedes at arti. Good luck with that leg aversion!
[03:44:47] <crutchy> xcowsay `tableskirts.sh` --daemon
[03:44:52] <crutchy> ;-)
[03:45:27] <arti> well, if we were small enough, that's a grip of bug legs
[03:45:48] <arti> "yeah we've managed to modify the chicken models and they now have 164 legs."
[03:45:57] <arti> :O~ drumsticksssssss
[03:46:28] <crutchy> i'm more of a breast man
[03:47:28] <MrBluze> i prefer left breasts
[03:47:37] <MrBluze> i always check to see in the supermarket
[03:47:53] <arti> you don't hunt them on safari?
[03:48:00] <arti> deep into the bush, with a sherpa guide
[03:48:10] <arti> you need to bait them with chocolate
[03:48:26] <arti> then blow the mating call...
[03:48:37] <arti> this quest awards 15xp.
[03:48:58] <arti> oh, and 6 gold pieces. that's half of what you need to pay your warrior tuition loans.
[03:49:01] <crutchy> this conversation could go so far downhill with all that material :-P
[03:49:12] <arti> you love ejected material
[03:49:35] <arti> "yeah it's one of my favorite things to render"
[03:49:39] <MrBluze> blow the mating call?
[03:49:44] <MrBluze> u hunting chickens or roosters?
[03:50:09] <arti> well chicken lips are a rare delicacy
[03:51:13] * crutchy is so not touching that one
[03:51:32] <MrBluze> rockinghorse manure is pretty rare too
[03:51:35] <MrBluze> but i've seen it
[03:51:50] <MrBluze> especially if your toddler removes his nappy
[03:52:05] <crutchy> is it disturbing that i was just thinking the same thing?
[03:52:29] * MrBluze laughs
[03:52:37] <MrBluze> maybe it's more common than we like to think
[03:53:44] * juggs evaporates
[03:54:15] * MrBluze powderizes
[03:54:18] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[03:54:24] * crutchy explodulates
[03:54:57] <MrBluze> politicians make too many ejaculations in public
[03:55:14] * crutchy almost spits out his coffee
[03:55:46] <MrBluze> and nothing is worse than seeing them masticate with their mouthes open
[03:56:29] * crutchy hopes he never has the misfortune of seeing a politician ejaculate
[03:56:49] <MrBluze> .. as Monica knew only too well
[03:57:00] <crutchy> lol
[03:57:09] <MrBluze> it left with such formication that she had to take a cold shower
[03:57:11] <arti> :|
[03:57:12] <crutchy> monica blewinski
[03:57:41] <MrBluze> she did not inhale, crutchy
[03:57:46] <MrBluze> so it's ok
[03:57:57] <MrBluze> she coughed a bit, but that's all
[03:58:10] <crutchy> i feel sorry for poor hillary... she probably did
[03:58:25] <crutchy> ew
[03:58:32] <crutchy> bad image
[03:58:34] <MrBluze> i feel sorry for hillary's plastic surgeon
[03:58:47] <MrBluze> i mean, where do you start
[03:59:03] <arti> what about using a hair dryer to shrink up the excess
[03:59:11] <arti> or maybe they can use the soft skin for golf gloves
[03:59:18] <crutchy> hahahaha
[03:59:21] <MrBluze> handbags
[03:59:34] <arti> apparently dog scrotum are highly desirable for this
[03:59:40] <MrBluze> u know about the handbags they make now from foreskins?
[03:59:46] <MrBluze> u give em a rub and it's a suitcase
[03:59:59] <arti> that would be like on the caveman shopping network
[04:00:12] <crutchy> hate to know what happens when you feed a handbag make from ass skin
[04:00:18] <MrBluze> yeah .. and oh the patterns they have nowadays
[04:00:41] <MrBluze> lol crutchy that sits well with some people
[04:00:54] <crutchy> my wife's handbag is full of shit
[04:01:12] <MrBluze> and that bit of paper hanging out of it
[04:01:12] <MrBluze> ... it's a fax, no really
[04:03:50] <MrBluze> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
[04:16:09] <arti> HAH
[04:16:16] <arti> "fuck this bag"
[04:19:44] <crutchy> must be a real c*nt to find anything in there
[04:22:34] <MrBluze> ;)
[04:23:37] <MrBluze> bbiab
[04:26:09] * crutchy had to look that one up
[04:26:56] <arti> that was a good one, and you get the gold star
[04:27:37] <crutchy> he's got the yellow nick here :-P
[04:28:16] * arti uses cooler colors
[04:28:34] <crutchy> jet black?
[04:28:43] <crutchy> ice blue
[04:30:16] <crutchy> stone grey
[04:30:38] <crutchy> or gray for our northern hemisphere cousins
[04:30:52] <arti> blues
[04:31:04] <arti> i like light on dark
[04:31:16] <arti> but not for the solitary vice
[04:31:31] <crutchy> vices are useful
[04:31:36] <crutchy> for clamping things
[04:31:46] <arti> i'll defer to your expertise
[04:32:53] <crutchy> inorganic things that is :-P
[04:35:07] <crutchy> lol @ http://www.php.net
[04:35:24] <crutchy> it must need to take a memory dump
[04:35:57] * arti o.o
[04:36:03] <arti> it seems normal
[04:36:07] * arti sees an image
[04:36:10] <crutchy> yeah wtf
[04:36:17] <crutchy> where's the running ephelant?
[04:36:33] <crutchy> aww feck
[04:36:52] <crutchy> they must have changed it literally right then ?
[04:37:06] <arti> how funny
[04:37:15] * crutchy wishes he didn't close the tab
[04:37:26] <crutchy> wonder if i still have it cached
[04:37:58] <arti> archive.org?
[04:38:02] <arti> or google cache
[04:38:03] <crutchy> looked like a little animated gif of a running purple ephelant
[04:38:07] <crutchy> ah
[04:41:22] <crutchy> The requested URL /search?q=cache:http://www.php.net/images/logo.php was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
[04:41:24] <crutchy> :-(
[04:43:22] <crutchy> was a bit like this but faster and not shaded: http://talks.php.net
[04:43:38] <arti> oh that's cool
[04:43:42] <arti> stampy
[04:52:50] * arti is trying out new fonts for his editor
[04:56:29] <crutchy> unoblank?
[04:56:56] <crutchy> onegalaxy?
[04:57:45] * crutchy is boring... sticks with monospace
[04:57:59] <arti> consolas is what i typically use
[04:58:09] <arti> source code pro is one i'm presently evaluating
[04:58:19] <crutchy> gedit++
[04:58:19] <deadbeef> karma - gedit: 2
[05:03:16] <paulej72> m
[05:03:23] <arti> g'edit
[05:03:31] <arti> no wonder you like it so much
[05:05:19] <NCommander> arti, I'm some how blaming you for my MC addtion being revived
[05:05:45] * arti bows and shows ncommander the respect his handle merits
[05:06:03] <NCommander> arti, I installed pocket edition on my phone
[05:06:13] * NCommander currently has a decent base + iron tools
[05:06:15] <arti> does it do all the mods?
[05:06:25] <arti> or is it vanilla?
[05:07:02] <crutchy> is NCommander going to change his nick to MCommander?
[05:07:22] <NCommander> arti, different code base, its pretty different than normal PC
[05:07:29] <NCommander> More in line with older versions
[05:07:58] <NCommander> No hunger bar, world is NOT infinite (256x256), no nether (though you can build a nether reactor to generate nether mods+nether bricks)
[05:08:00] <arti> its not right, but i'll allow it
[05:08:03] <crutchy> i have enough trouble flinging birds on my phone let alone building stuff
[05:08:23] * arti watched a woman dig and fling a bird whilst driving
[05:08:40] <arti> i like to keep an eye out for nose gold mines
[05:08:47] <crutchy> sounds dirty
[05:08:52] <arti> some people like it that way
[05:09:05] <arti> take africa for example, they love chocolate so much, the rivers are made of it
[05:09:19] <crutchy> lol
[05:09:30] <crutchy> isn't it the same in nyc?
[05:09:40] <arti> uh, it's actually so dirty nothing bad grows in it
[05:09:48] <crutchy> ah no nyc has rivers of dead bodies
[05:09:49] <arti> a problem that solves itself really
[05:09:54] <arti> crutchy, you're thinking india
[05:09:59] <crutchy> lol
[05:10:01] <crutchy> yeah
[05:10:09] <arti> india is a filthy place
[05:10:12] <crutchy> oh wait india has rivers? with water?
[05:10:16] * arti likes the food though
[05:10:25] <crutchy> i thought it was just landfill
[05:10:34] <arti> hold on, i'll amaze you with some photos
[05:10:57] <crutchy> curry is designed to make dead bodies edible
[05:11:14] <crutchy> soylent green is indians :-P
[05:11:30] <arti> http://www.chinasmack.com
[05:11:31] * crutchy slaps self
[05:12:14] <crutchy> i'll save that one for when kiddies not with me?
[05:12:29] <arti> yeah, there be skullz
[05:12:36] <crutchy> oh
[05:13:52] <arti> best way to tank up the nightmare fuel, flip a boat
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[05:42:29] <crutchy> test hello\ && fortune
[05:42:29] <exec> msg=hello\ && fortune
[05:42:30] <exec> chan=#Soylent
[05:42:30] <exec> nick=crutchy
[05:50:42] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Horseless eCarriage in Central Park - http://sylnt.us - cruelty-versus-pollution
[06:02:42] <MrBluze> i give up
[06:03:25] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
[06:05:33] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[06:08:14] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|gone
[06:09:15] <crutchy> what's up mrbluze?
[06:09:20] <crutchy> or down?
[06:42:29] <arti> You see a mail box and a shoe.
[06:59:11] <crutchy> an elevated mailbox
[06:59:23] <arti> so when did trending replace popular?
[06:59:41] <MrBluze|gone> when popular stopped trending
[06:59:51] <crutchy> t comes after p in the alphabet
[07:00:07] <arti> tp also comes after pooping
[07:00:17] <crutchy> turbo pascal?
[07:00:37] <arti> turbo pascal is a pretty cool dude
[07:00:51] <arti> turbo is such an 80s word
[07:00:56] <arti> turbo trends!
[07:01:05] <crutchy> after i poop i often have the urge for some pascal
[07:01:43] <crutchy> turbochargers are sorta still cool
[07:02:04] <arti> yeah
[07:02:25] <arti> you should do a --turbocharged parameter
[07:02:49] <crutchy> fortune -o -turbo
[07:02:49] <exec> When the going gets tough, everyone leaves.
[07:02:49] <exec> -- Lynch
[07:03:04] <arti> depends how much they're paid, relaly
[07:03:06] <arti> really
[07:03:25] <crutchy> ooh i removed the filters on exec
[07:03:38] <crutchy> only has shellescapearg now
[07:03:55] <crutchy> cowsay $%&^*(
[07:03:56] <exec> ________
[07:03:56] <exec> < $%&^*( >
[07:03:56] <exec> --------
[07:03:56] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:03:56] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:03:57] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:03:57] <exec> ||----w |
[07:03:58] <exec> || ||
[07:04:33] <crutchy> ^angry cow
[07:04:48] <arti> is that used in an angry whopper?
[07:04:57] <crutchy> cowsay > <
[07:04:57] <exec> _____
[07:04:57] <exec> < > < >
[07:04:57] <exec> -----
[07:04:57] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:04:57] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:04:58] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:04:58] <exec> ||----w |
[07:04:59] <exec> || ||
[07:05:09] <crutchy> doh it trims!!!
[07:05:26] <arti> behold, the myster of the texties.
[07:05:54] <crutchy> damn you cowsay!
[07:07:22] <crutchy> hahahahaha kids are watching ice age 3
[07:07:37] <crutchy> gotta love scrat
[07:07:38] <chromas> cowsay @\ \ \ \ @
[07:07:38] <exec> ____________
[07:07:39] <exec> < @\ \ \ \ @ >
[07:07:39] <exec> ------------
[07:07:39] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:07:39] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:07:39] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:07:39] <exec> ||----w |
[07:07:40] <exec> || ||
[07:07:56] <crutchy> ?
[07:08:26] <crutchy> two-headed snake on drugs?
[07:08:33] <chromas> Trying to escape spaces. Don't have non-breaking space in phone
[07:08:40] <crutchy> ah
[07:09:26] <chromas> Is that the one with the dinosaurs?
[07:09:27] <crutchy> dunno if it helps any but shows up as
[07:09:31] <crutchy> cowsay '@\ \ \ \ @'
[07:09:32] <exec> ______________
[07:09:32] <exec> < '@\ \ \ \ @' >
[07:09:32] <exec> --------------
[07:09:32] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:09:32] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:09:33] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:09:33] <exec> ||----w |
[07:09:34] <exec> || ||
[07:09:54] <crutchy> yeah
[07:10:01] <crutchy> ^dinosaurs
[07:11:40] <crutchy> my cow say came out as
[07:11:43] <crutchy> cowsay ''\''@\ \ \ \ @'\'''
[07:11:43] <exec> ______________________
[07:11:44] <exec> < ''\''@\ \ \ \ @'\''' >
[07:11:44] <exec> ----------------------
[07:11:44] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:11:44] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:11:44] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:11:45] <exec> ||----w |
[07:11:45] <exec> || ||
[07:11:55] <crutchy> cowsay ''\'''\''\'\'''\''@\ \ \ \ @'\''\'\'''\'''\'''
[07:11:55] <exec> ____________________________
[07:11:56] <exec> / ''\'''\''\'\'''\''@\ \ \ \ \
[07:11:56] <exec> \ @'\''\'\'''\'''\''' /
[07:11:56] <exec> ----------------------------
[07:11:56] <exec> \ ^__^
[07:11:56] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[07:11:57] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[07:11:57] <exec> ||----w |
[07:11:57] <crutchy> etc
[07:11:58] <exec> || ||
[07:11:59] <crutchy> lol
[07:31:54] <MrBluze|gone> .devoice
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[07:32:15] <crutchy> welcome to the club mrbluze :-P
[07:32:31] <MrBluze|gone> thanks
[07:33:37] <crutchy> just be a code junkie like me... you'll go completely bonkers but everyone will be ok with it :-P
[07:34:06] <MrBluze|gone> yeah ill go back to just doing the things i enjoy
[07:34:51] <MrBluze|gone> .. which i have been waiting to do on here for ages lol but it probably will be forever before i get to do anything
[07:35:12] <crutchy> i just do shit without any expectations
[07:35:31] <crutchy> exec will likely not be used for anything, but its been damn good fun in the making
[07:35:35] <MrBluze|gone> but in short, as u say - ill just put my energy into spontaneous ideas
[07:40:34] <crutchy> i do like sharing programmery ideas and stuff here, and i doubt i would've ever got into github without soylent irc, so it's definitely a good social thing
[07:40:48] <arti> github is cool for sharing bits
[07:40:58] * arti doesn't share too much, though
[07:41:16] <MrBluze|gone> my code is not worthy of sharing i reckon
[07:41:29] <MrBluze|gone> never been formally educated in programming
[07:41:49] <crutchy> same here mrbluze (except a 6 month elective at uni)
[07:41:59] <arti> and my axe
[07:42:09] <crutchy> and my bow
[07:42:14] * arti wasn't formally trained
[07:42:40] <arti> just lots of tinkering, it's interesting
[07:42:45] <crutchy> yeah
[07:43:00] <crutchy> good to get feedback though. i never had any of that before i came here
[07:43:12] <crutchy> i had no idea whether my code was shit or decent
[07:43:12] <MrBluze|gone> yes
[07:43:19] <MrBluze|gone> actually i was hoping to do some coding on here
[07:43:27] <MrBluze|gone> but php hasn't gotten off the ground at all yet
[07:43:57] <MrBluze|gone> and i am too busy to learn perl - why should i when i can get it done just the same in php
[07:44:18] <crutchy> since i been here i found out my coding style is... unconventional :-D
[07:44:18] <arti> well you're most productive in the tool you're most comfortable with
[07:44:28] <arti> but there are some tools better suited for things
[07:44:45] <MrBluze|gone> websites?
[07:44:48] <MrBluze|gone> php seems to work for those
[07:44:49] <exec> script error
[07:44:49] <arti> crutchy, reviewing others code is a great way to improve too
[07:44:59] <crutchy> i was interested in learning perl to get into slash, but when i saw perl i just thought fuck it
[07:45:06] <crutchy> arti: yeah
[07:45:09] <arti> pretty cool how it came about
[07:45:14] <MrBluze|gone> php print("script error");
[07:45:14] <exec> script error
[07:45:16] <arti> guy studied languages
[07:45:17] <MrBluze|gone> pff
[07:45:42] <crutchy> still only does function syntax mrbluze
[07:45:51] <crutchy> php str_replace
[07:45:51] <exec> mixed str_replace ( mixed $search , mixed $replace , mixed $subject [, int &$count ] )
[07:45:53] <MrBluze|gone> okay
[07:46:06] <MrBluze|gone> php mysqli
[07:46:07] <exec> script error
[07:46:07] <crutchy> i might expand that though eh :-P
[07:46:18] <crutchy> hmm mysqli must be a class
[07:46:23] <crutchy> or something?
[07:46:32] <MrBluze|gone> it's a library u add i think
[07:46:36] <crutchy> php mysqli_connect
[07:46:36] <exec> script error
[07:46:41] <crutchy> mkay
[07:46:45] <crutchy> never used it before
[07:46:48] <arti> library or extension?
[07:46:54] <MrBluze|gone> extension
[07:46:58] <MrBluze|gone> it's improved mysql library
[07:47:07] <crutchy> i've gone to pedo
[07:47:10] <MrBluze|gone> but abstracting more is better
[07:47:21] <MrBluze|gone> shh crutchy this isn't 4chan u know
[07:47:22] <arti> if you like abstractions, i recommend java :D
[07:47:22] * MrBluze|gone laughs
[07:47:26] <crutchy> php's excellent database objects :-P
[07:48:00] <MrBluze|gone> php is good, if u wanna use globals, goto's and so on u can.. and that's good
[07:48:01] <exec> script error
[07:48:02] <MrBluze|gone> because sometimes u need to
[07:48:41] <crutchy> i generally try to avoid gotos (you can do them in delphi too) but in functional programs i don't see any problems with globals
[07:48:56] <MrBluze|gone> yeah
[07:49:01] <MrBluze|gone> but say u have a tiny php script
[07:49:02] <crutchy> even in my monstrosity of an app for work
[07:49:06] <MrBluze|gone> a goto can be useful
[07:49:18] <crutchy> prolly
[07:49:21] <MrBluze|gone> globals are fine as long as u are obvious about them
[07:49:25] <crutchy> sorta never had the need for one
[07:49:32] <crutchy> yeah
[07:49:34] <ar> ugh
[07:49:45] <ar> someone's trying to justify using php?
[07:49:58] <crutchy> php justifies itself
[07:49:59] <exec> script error
[07:50:10] <crutchy> perfectly hot programming
[07:50:14] <MrBluze|gone> php is just an easy way for c programmers to do scripting without having to learn much new
[07:50:14] <exec> script error
[07:50:16] <ar> php justifies napalm
[07:50:17] <exec> script error
[07:50:25] <arti> heh
[07:50:32] <arti> yeah, it totally botches the web
[07:50:41] * arti points at all that awesome C/C++ out there
[07:50:42] <crutchy> apparently there is no php function called "justifies napalm"
[07:51:09] <crutchy> ~part
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[07:51:43] <MrBluze|gone> c / c++ produces very solid software
[07:51:46] <MrBluze|gone> fast, stable, reliable
[07:52:11] <MrBluze|gone> and php is fine too if you take care
[07:52:19] <MrBluze|gone> just like anything
[07:52:42] <ar> php requires you to watch out for waaay too many things to be secure
[07:52:53] <arti> hahahaha
[07:53:04] <MrBluze|gone> like what, ar?
[07:53:13] <arti> he must be referring to the openssl shitstorm
[07:53:15] <MrBluze|gone> i mean, you have to sanitize anything that leaves the server
[07:53:22] <arti> that thing that affects hmmm... errthang.
[07:53:25] <MrBluze|gone> or anything that comes from outside
[07:53:33] <ar> arti: no, not referring to openssl
[07:53:46] <MrBluze|gone> .. u have to do that to any language
[07:53:52] <arti> no, only scripting languages
[07:53:55] <arti> !!!!
[07:54:04] <arti> too bad i can't use /haughty
[07:54:10] <crutchy> at least i've stopped people from reading my password files :-P
[07:54:23] <MrBluze|gone> indeed, arti
[07:54:29] <MrBluze|gone> nothing saying you cant use c/c++ for a website
[07:54:44] <arti> ugh
[07:54:45] <MrBluze|gone> and if the code isnt going to need to be dynamic, it's fair enough to do that
[07:54:46] <crutchy> i use delphi for programming web sockets too
[07:55:05] <arti> "yeah just whippin up some asm for my webservice"
[07:55:25] <crutchy> imagine if slash was asm
[07:55:32] <arti> it's like making software through origami
[07:55:49] <arti> "just need to fold this another thousand times and we'll have the beak done"
[07:56:07] <MrBluze|gone> depends
[07:56:22] <arti> anyway, just out of curiousity, what would you suggest for a web language ar?
[07:56:36] <crutchy> please not assp
[07:56:45] <MrBluze|gone> gwbasic
[07:57:04] <ar> arti: python, ruby
[07:57:15] <crutchy> ruby is for girls
[07:57:19] <crutchy> :-P
[07:57:19] <MrBluze|gone> i thought ruby was dying
[07:57:25] <arti> runs like a busted pig
[07:57:35] <arti> they've made improvements though
[07:57:37] <MrBluze|gone> python is ok
[07:57:37] <ar> MrBluze|gone: nah. it's just all the hipsters moved from ruby to node.js
[07:57:41] <MrBluze|gone> but i cant be bothered learning it now
[07:57:44] <arti> python is okay
[07:58:00] <MrBluze|gone> node.js
[07:58:11] * crutchy isn't likely to get into python as long as php is free
[07:58:22] <arti> its been on my todo pile
[07:58:34] <arti> i want to go with haskell
[07:58:40] <crutchy> is there anything that python can do that php can't, just outta curiosity?
[07:58:40] * arti is doing fun file stuff
[07:58:50] <ar> python has a few problems, like py2 vs py3
[07:59:03] <arti> yeah... 2.7.3 == xp
[07:59:13] <crutchy> arti: you should program something in haskell for exec to run in irc
[07:59:27] <arti> i was thinking do the first part in php and then haskell for the rest
[07:59:37] <ar> or some fugly behaviors like treating ints as booleans
[07:59:38] <arti> since i'm not elite enough to do the rehash part yet
[07:59:40] <MrBluze|gone> php can do it all really
[07:59:53] <MrBluze|gone> but u just have to be meticulous about parsing stuff
[07:59:55] <arti> have you tried hooking it up to gtk?
[07:59:59] <ar> MrBluze|gone: including cutting your leg
[08:00:20] <crutchy> mrbluze: yeah that's what it seemed like when i was first looking into a web language
[08:00:20] <arti> which is what you do after you've shot yourself in the foot with c :D
[08:00:50] <MrBluze|gone> node.js looks ok
[08:00:55] <crutchy> hooking up with gtk: it's called firefox :-P
[08:02:05] <MrBluze|gone> meh, php works
[08:02:11] <MrBluze|gone> its easy to read the code
[08:02:16] <crutchy> i have been enjoying php in a terminal lately
[08:02:23] <ar> gtk… it shows that people working on it weren't good enough to get paid for programming. all the bad APIs or inventing their own programming language…
[08:02:23] <MrBluze|gone> there are good ide's for it
[08:02:41] <crutchy> gedit++
[08:02:42] <deadbeef> karma - gedit: 3
[08:02:45] <crutchy> lol
[08:02:46] <crutchy> sorry
[08:03:01] <ar> MrBluze|gone: sorry. it's a fractal of bad design
[08:03:11] <arti> that's original
[08:03:14] <ar> MrBluze|gone: it even promotes bad deployment practices
[08:03:25] <crutchy> ar: computers in general are like that
[08:03:28] * arti has a rebuttal to that
[08:03:42] <crutchy> flexible can be used for good and bad
[08:04:05] <MrBluze|gone> pragmatically php has taken off
[08:04:06] <ar> crutchy: but some languages don't lead you onto a minefield by default
[08:04:16] <MrBluze|gone> javascript sucks but it's there
[08:04:21] <MrBluze|gone> so we all use it
[08:04:32] <crutchy> ar: costs flexibility though
[08:05:12] <MrBluze|gone> yeah honestly if you want to drive a speed-limited volvo, then use a drag and drop programming language and forget scripts
[08:05:16] <crutchy> php doesn't lead you anywhere, which means a lot of freedom
[08:05:48] <ar> also, if you actually want a good documentation of how php really behaves, you either have to look at php code (which is fugly C) or at hippyvm code (which is somewhat reasonable python)
[08:06:07] <crutchy> dunno neer had to look that deep before
[08:06:12] <crutchy> i just use the functions
[08:06:33] <arti> ar, from your using of "fractal of bad design" i assume you've read this article? http://me.veekun.com
[08:06:33] <crutchy> php.net documentation seems good enough for most things
[08:06:57] <arti> here's a interesting post about it: http://forums.devshed.com
[08:07:19] <crutchy> mrbluze: put a nice quote on /. about js a while back
[08:07:32] <arti> each "claim" is addressed
[08:08:21] <MrBluze|gone> eh?
[08:08:35] <crutchy> as much as javascript is shit, it's like that annoying relative that you just can't get rid of so you may as well get used to
[08:08:40] <crutchy> good ol' google
[08:08:51] <MrBluze|gone> oh.. yeah
[08:08:56] <ar> arti: i've read both of them. the devshed guy is mostly trying to make excuses for using php anyway
[08:09:00] <MrBluze|gone> i did say that
[08:09:03] <crutchy> got a +5 for that :-P
[08:09:11] <MrBluze|gone> lol
[08:09:23] <MrBluze|gone> well js is shit
[08:09:27] <MrBluze|gone> php is ok
[08:09:37] <arti> so it should be easy to replace it and get people to use the replacement
[08:09:40] <MrBluze|gone> and the whole way the www works is fucked
[08:10:04] <crutchy> gets a bit hairy when you mix php/js/css/html/mysql together, but that also keeps it interesting :-)
[08:10:22] <MrBluze|gone> exactly, thats whats lame about the whole website making business
[08:10:26] <arti> if you use another language you still have css/html/js/*sql
[08:10:43] <ar> oh, right, mysql… "hey, i'm going to cast everything into strings for no good reason if you let me, ok"?
[08:10:50] <MrBluze|gone> so many languages and the host/client relationship is dicey
[08:10:54] <ar> s/..$/?"/
[08:10:54] <SedBot> <ar> oh, right, mysql… "hey, i'm going to cast everything into strings for no good reason if you let me, ok?"
[08:10:55] <xlefay> ar++ ain't that the truth
[08:10:55] <deadbeef> karma - ar: 2
[08:10:56] <crutchy> they have int too :-P
[08:11:15] <MrBluze|gone> they have blob or soemthing
[08:11:25] <MrBluze|gone> hi xlefay
[08:11:30] <crutchy> yeah i think so. i don't use them
[08:11:32] <MrBluze|gone> i spat the dummy today
[08:11:50] <xlefay> I just got here and the first thing I see is MySQL bashing, my day couldn't have started better
[08:11:56] <arti> hahahaha
[08:12:01] <crutchy> i didn't hear it mrbluze... you forgot the sound effect
[08:12:07] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, ?
[08:12:23] * MrBluze|gone makes an explosion sound-effect and the sound of plastic hitting the wall a second later
[08:12:27] <crutchy> flophsleph
[08:12:36] <crutchy> ^spitting dummy sound?
[08:12:48] <MrBluze|gone> uhh.. the vote business
[08:12:50] <xlefay> As far as PHP goes (*reading up*) IT truly is a horrendous language, it just is, but it's simple & works well, I suppose that's why most people like it
[08:13:10] <MrBluze|gone> well there isnt much better
[08:13:11] <xlefay> I'm moving to Python gradually though, something sensible at least
[08:13:13] <crutchy> it suits my clunky hacky ways perfectly :-P
[08:13:17] <xlefay> heh? Python's awesome
[08:13:20] <MrBluze|gone> last time i looked
[08:13:23] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, oh :|
[08:13:26] <MrBluze|gone> yeah python maybe i should start with that
[08:13:38] * crutchy hates forced layout
[08:13:41] <MrBluze|gone> xlefay: i have had enough of .. u know what i mean
[08:13:45] <xlefay> Well, Python can definitely replace PHP; you just have to think a bit more
[08:13:55] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, yeah I got it :/ Sorry man :|
[08:14:08] <xlefay> crutchy, in Python?
[08:14:14] <crutchy> yeah
[08:14:28] <crutchy> convention is important, but i like a bit of freedom
[08:14:31] <MrBluze|gone> i thought we were through with "shoot first ask questions later" on this project
[08:14:52] <MrBluze|gone> i'll learn python
[08:14:53] <ar> python's ok. at least bettr than php. it has less of those unobvious places where it shoots you in the back of your head
[08:14:57] <MrBluze|gone> cause i am going to be teaching it to the kids
[08:14:58] <ar> better*
[08:15:03] <xlefay> crutchy, hmm, actually, isn't it useful if you grab someone else his/her library that you can just plug 'n play? Or, that you know the general structure?
[08:15:48] <MrBluze|gone> ar i will try python
[08:15:53] <MrBluze|gone> im ready for something new now that i think about it
[08:15:53] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, I know.. the voting thing sucks, I still haven't got a clue whether we finally finished voting or if it was just a submission process, one day it's X the next day it's Y like WTF PEOPLE?
[08:16:03] <MrBluze|gone> i'm in no hurry anymore
[08:16:17] <MrBluze|gone> xlefay: an email was sent out with all the names to 100 or so ppl
[08:16:23] <xlefay> SN-site is a bit slow now?
[08:16:35] * xlefay checks his mail..
[08:16:40] <crutchy> irc is fooly sick though
[08:16:43] <MrBluze|gone> not just staff, 100+
[08:16:50] <MrBluze|gone> irc is awesome
[08:16:55] <MrBluze|gone> it beats all other chats
[08:17:07] <MrBluze|gone> brb
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[08:17:14] <arti> its the php of communications protocols
[08:17:14] <crutchy> moo
[08:17:14] <exec> (__)
[08:17:15] <exec> (oo)
[08:17:15] <exec> /------\/
[08:17:15] <exec> / | ||
[08:17:15] <exec> * /\---/\
[08:17:15] <exec> ~~ ~~
[08:17:16] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[08:17:18] <xlefay> oh I just received the mail
[08:17:25] <crutchy> what other chat has cows?
[08:17:36] * arti imagines something gentoo
[08:17:41] <crutchy> ok that really is a fucked up looking cow
[08:17:52] <xlefay> apt-get-news.com lol
[08:17:54] <ar> http://www.doof.me.uk
[08:18:08] * arti likes this one
[08:18:09] <xlefay> ar, when you install that, it also provides xcowfortune!
[08:18:18] <ar> xlefay: i know
[08:18:34] <xlefay> unfortunately, it doesn't appear like you can pass '-o' although, I haven't looked that thoroughly for it
[08:18:45] <xlefay> "bangdot.org" whahahahaha
[08:18:53] <crutchy> hahahahahaa
[08:19:02] <crutchy> using pcp/ip
[08:19:10] <xlefay> Some of these suggestions are awesome
[08:19:12] <crutchy> :-P
[08:19:55] <xlefay> "legitworksite.com"
[08:19:56] <xlefay> LOL
[08:20:05] <arti> hah
[08:20:12] <crutchy> chromas: pcp/ip was genius
[08:20:18] <xlefay> ^^^^^
[08:20:45] <crutchy> lol @ legit...
[08:21:17] <xlefay> Apparently, you can only rate 10 times.. well, there goes my list of 25 of those I liked :|
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[08:22:01] <xlefay> err, 9
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[08:26:16] <pbnjoe> hey everyone :)
[08:26:44] <crutchy> g'day pbnjoe
[08:26:44] <arti> greetings
[08:27:08] <pbnjoe> how're things for the people of SN?
[08:27:19] <pbnjoe> if it's still called that; I'm out of the loop
[08:29:26] <crutchy> dunno... what's in a name
[08:29:33] <crutchy> besides a bunch of letters
[08:30:12] <xlefay> cookies
[08:30:20] <xlefay> chocolate chip if you're lucky
[08:31:09] * xlefay is setting up his local XBMC via NFS beh
[08:31:42] * pbnjoe is almost caught up in GoT
[08:31:49] <xlefay> 'GoT'?
[08:31:54] <pbnjoe> Game of Thrones, sorry
[08:31:57] <pbnjoe> I get lazy with names
[08:31:59] <crutchy> lol theres a funny video about that
[08:32:02] <xlefay> no worries, enjoy ;-)
[08:33:42] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:33:48] <pbnjoe> I've learnt not to have a favourite character, that's all I'll say :p
[08:33:55] <MrBluze|gone> hm
[08:34:11] <MrBluze|gone> xlefay: recommended hosting company?
[08:34:26] <crutchy> self host inc
[08:34:29] <crutchy> :-P
[08:34:36] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, just get your own VPS or dedi
[08:34:39] <MrBluze|gone> cant afford it
[08:34:40] <MrBluze|gone> dsl is crap
[08:34:53] <MrBluze|gone> linode is pricy
[08:35:00] <crutchy> do you have some hosting with your isp?
[08:35:04] <xlefay> $10 a month can get you a nice low powered VPS tho
[08:35:11] <arti> oh, ramnode
[08:35:17] <arti> you can start at $6
[08:35:32] <MrBluze|gone> $10 on linode?
[08:35:37] <arti> http://ramnode.com
[08:35:39] <MrBluze|gone> hmm if i can pre-pay 12 months i'd probably do it
[08:35:40] <xlefay> I wouldn't recommend Linode anyway, I just have a dedi with hetzner, excellent price for the hardware you get (just as long as you realize they're a budget provider)
[08:35:53] <MrBluze|gone> ramnode looks interesting
[08:36:02] <arti> linode has a sweet control panel that puts all others to shame
[08:36:12] <MrBluze|gone> i dont need anything more than budget
[08:36:17] <xlefay> arti, that's true.. for VPS'es
[08:36:29] <arti> yeah, you're not one of those bare metal weenies are you
[08:36:36] <crutchy> lol
[08:36:38] <MrBluze|gone> $6/mo is good
[08:36:44] <xlefay> eh no
[08:36:50] <arti> MrBluze: the guy that runs it is pretty cool too "nick"
[08:36:51] <crutchy> talk to your isp mrbluze?
[08:37:02] <crutchy> unless its telstra
[08:37:05] <arti> xlefay: vpss are sweet, "oh snap. thats a rebootin"
[08:37:07] <MrBluze|gone> crutchy: i doubt they will do a good deal
[08:37:09] <MrBluze|gone> no australian isp is cheap
[08:37:17] <arti> "oh shit halp me web console!"
[08:37:19] <xlefay> I've got a dedi, but I don't mind VPSes either ;-)
[08:37:23] <crutchy> aussiebroadband isn't bad
[08:37:24] <arti> vs *creates ticket with cage monkey*
[08:37:34] <xlefay> I used dozens in the past :P
[08:37:34] <MrBluze|gone> hmm
[08:37:35] <MrBluze|gone> maybe
[08:37:43] <MrBluze|gone> ok
[08:37:44] <xlefay> My favorite was cloudvps though
[08:37:50] <xlefay> They were nifty
[08:37:53] <MrBluze|gone> im hooked now ima gonna start something
[08:37:56] <xlefay> (and damn fast)
[08:38:00] <arti> MrBluze|gone i've got uh another recommendation
[08:38:11] <arti> https://digitalocean.com
[08:38:20] <stderr> According to the front page, there are 91 suggestions in the name poll. But in the email, I got, only 90 names are listed. What's up with that?
[08:38:26] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, http://www.cloudvps.com ;-)
[08:38:30] <arti> maybe it begins with 1?
[08:38:50] <xlefay> stderr, according to the home page: " Name submission period ends: Sat Apr 19 7:00 UTC "..
[08:39:09] * xlefay thinks someone forgot to restart apache on a webhead.. then again, slash is stupid
[08:39:23] <stderr> xlefay: You mean yesterday?
[08:39:44] <xlefay> stderr, it still says that here - so I wouldn't count on anything being accurate at this point
[08:40:08] <crutchy> MrBluze|gone: if you just starting out, maybe try self hosting. aussie bandwidth sucks but its ok for a starters
[08:40:22] <crutchy> when you get up and going then look for a host
[08:40:22] <stderr> What I want to know is what suggestion has been dropped from the poll and why?
[08:40:26] <xlefay> crutchy, it really depends on what kinda hardware you have there
[08:40:34] <xlefay> stderr, no clue, you'll have to bug audioguy for that
[08:40:44] <crutchy> i hosted on an old p4
[08:40:48] * arti wonders if it was "audioguysucks.com"
[08:41:01] <MrBluze|gone> crutchy: i used to use godaddy
[08:41:07] <arti> :O
[08:41:10] <xlefay> crutchy, I meant, in terms of electricity
[08:41:15] <crutchy> eek i heard nasty things about them
[08:41:18] <MrBluze|gone> way back in teh day
[08:41:21] * xlefay lynches MrBluze|gone for his past transgressions
[08:41:21] <MrBluze|gone> 5 years ago or more
[08:41:27] * arti only purchased domains through them
[08:41:31] <arti> moons ago
[08:41:34] <MrBluze|gone> lol i dont touch them now
[08:41:35] <xlefay> :P
[08:41:39] <crutchy> yeah means you have a machine always on i guess
[08:41:42] <arti> secretly, you do
[08:41:48] <MrBluze|gone> sent a very angry email to them and closed all my services
[08:41:51] <arti> and when you're feeling randy, you touch yourself too
[08:41:56] <arti> mutual hosting
[08:42:10] <crutchy> arti: sounds kinky
[08:42:14] <arti> did you send it in all caps?
[08:42:18] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, there are a lot of different options for VPSes out there, transIP also offers them if yo want to solidify them where you also have your domains
[08:42:20] <arti> "NO U."
[08:42:20] <MrBluze|gone> lol arti nearly
[08:42:34] <MrBluze|gone> xlefay: but they are expensive actually
[08:42:35] <xlefay> stderr, good luck ;-)
[08:42:36] <MrBluze|gone> ramnode is cheap
[08:42:46] <ar> i host most of my stuff at digitalocean and linode
[08:42:47] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, their VPSes are quite, yes
[08:42:51] <arti> ar: ditto
[08:42:59] <ar> DO is quite cheap
[08:42:59] <arti> my next tester is @ ramnode
[08:43:01] <crutchy> what kinda stuff do you guys host?
[08:43:08] <stderr> xlefay: With?
[08:43:11] <xlefay> I'm cheap, I host VPS at cloudvps mostly
[08:43:14] <arti> mostly warez and some info on smuggling live humans
[08:43:15] <xlefay> stderr, getting an answer
[08:43:25] <crutchy> i host my missus' photography website, but that's about it
[08:43:29] <crutchy> lol @ arti
[08:43:30] <arti> a really important tip is to make sure you poke air holes in the containers
[08:43:37] <xlefay> !grab arti
[08:43:37] <deadbeef> Added quote 135
[08:43:45] <stderr> xlefay: Well, at least it's not NCommander I'm going to ask...
[08:43:47] <arti> also, mixing incompatible species is a no no
[08:43:48] <xlefay> I'll try to keep that in mind
[08:43:57] <chromas> I learned that the hard way
[08:44:00] <crutchy> couple more words added to the list ;-)
[08:44:18] <xlefay> stderr, that reminds me, I wonder if he already moved my deb
[08:44:29] <ar> crutchy: vpn, mail, xmpp, websites, irc/shell…
[08:44:37] <xlefay> That'd be a no..
[08:44:51] <stderr> xlefay: What deb? Should I care?
[08:44:57] <crutchy> ar: wow... what do you do with all that? are they for business?
[08:45:02] <xlefay> stderr, no, not really, no
[08:45:25] <ar> crutchy: nah. me and a few friends use it
[08:45:28] <xlefay> crutchy, I host one thing and one thing only
[08:45:30] <xlefay> PCP/IP!\
[08:45:33] * MrBluze|gone looks at digitalocean
[08:45:35] <crutchy> lol
[08:45:36] <xlefay> s/\\//
[08:45:37] <SedBot> <xlefay> PCP/IP!
[08:45:52] <xlefay> What could possibly be better? ;-)
[08:46:03] <xlefay> -NerdRPG- You found a level 11 coffee machine. Your current coffee machine is level 44, so it seems Luck is against you. You toss the coffee machine. eh bullshit
[08:46:10] <ar> though i think i should re-do most of that stuff (use puppet this time, tinc for vpn instead of openvpn to avoid SPOF, deploy kerberos maybe, though that would be an overkill for my needs)
[08:46:10] <crutchy> the ip is for internet pr0n
[08:46:45] <chromas> I think nerdrpg needs moar actions
[08:46:48] <crutchy> xlefay... i'll take a level 11 coffee machine
[08:46:52] <chromas> like hacking two coffee machines together
[08:46:57] <crutchy> lol
[08:47:01] <chromas> or installing HURD
[08:47:01] <xlefay> crutchy, no, you can't have my ex
[08:47:06] <ar> xlefay: you know what's bullshit? me losing just about every battle and all the calamities happening to me
[08:47:22] <xlefay> ar, auch!
[08:47:27] <ar> how can i keep my advantage if i get slowed down all the time? ;)
[08:47:34] <crutchy> i like building stuff... idling would drive me crazy
[08:47:44] <mattie_p> what are you talking about? you have the best luck ever in irpg!
[08:47:44] <xlefay> Code PHP, it'll help you along!
[08:47:47] <crutchy> idling and trolling are incompatible
[08:47:54] <chromas> I think the worst I usually get is you guys coming upon me
[08:48:04] <xlefay> !grab chromas
[08:48:04] <deadbeef> Added quote 136
[08:48:16] <crutchy> chromas: you need steel underpants
[08:48:18] <xlefay> .. surely, we can take that _way_ out of context some day
[08:48:29] <mattie_p> oh, I think we can
[08:48:52] <crutchy> chromas: surely they atleast buy you dinner first?
[08:49:12] <crutchy> or offer you a level 11 coffee machine
[08:49:28] <ar> hm
[08:49:48] <chromas> Nope :'( and that makes me a sad panda
[08:49:51] <ar> DO costs me about 4usd/month
[08:50:03] <ar> (per vm)
[08:50:07] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, I would advise you just to try a few and see which you like the best
[08:50:41] <xlefay> they're fairly cheap, if you can afford two or three to see, you can make a good decision (some also have money back guarantees if you're not happy for instance)
[08:50:42] <crutchy> geocities :-P
[08:50:52] <xlefay> In the end, it really matters whether they are reliable and such
[08:50:59] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - The Vikings' Navigational Mystery: Calcite - http://sylnt.us - show-me-the-way-to-go-home
[08:51:04] <MrBluze|gone> yeah
[08:51:14] <MrBluze|gone> ill check the lockin period
[08:51:21] <MrBluze|gone> if its month by month i will test them
[08:51:23] <xlefay> mostly there isn't any
[08:51:25] <chromas> Angelfire and Tripod are still around
[08:51:28] <MrBluze|gone> DO looks good, ar
[08:51:48] <MrBluze|gone> at entry level i dont need speed
[08:51:53] <MrBluze|gone> but a bit of ram and hdd space is nice
[08:52:19] <MrBluze|gone> and i'll force myself to use python and posgresql
[08:52:20] <stderr> I really don't get that poll. Nobody seems to be listening. Some of the options are .net and .org, but baconnews.net (which I suggested) is listed as a .com... The whole point of that name was BNN for fuck sake!
[08:52:20] <ar> http://www.openbsd.org - whaaaaaa
[08:52:36] <MrBluze|gone> stderr: its stupid
[08:52:43] <MrBluze|gone> hence <-- gone
[08:52:49] <chromas> Maybe soon we'll have Soylent Hosting
[08:52:57] <crutchy> hmm yes
[08:53:07] <crutchy> chromas++
[08:53:07] <deadbeef> karma - chromas: 6
[08:53:13] <xlefay> chromas, SAAS ;-)
[08:53:19] <xlefay> Slash as a service ha
[08:53:19] <MrBluze|gone> baconnews.net is the domain we have, btw, stderr
[08:53:28] <stderr> MrBluze|gone: I know that name is stupid. It should still be correct in the poll.
[08:53:29] <xlefay> MrBluze|gone, you put dailybacon in?
[08:53:30] <crutchy> i was thing that meant soylent as a service
[08:53:46] <MrBluze|gone> i did, xlefay
[08:53:49] <xlefay> crutchy, "e-mail voting as a service" hahaha
[08:53:51] <MrBluze|gone> but i withdrew firingsquid
[08:53:53] <MrBluze|gone> that's _mine_
[08:54:04] <MrBluze|gone> i want it for myself
[08:54:10] <crutchy> xlefay: that would be pyo
[08:54:11] <mattie_p> that's a good name there
[08:54:23] <xlefay> define pyo
[08:54:26] <stderr> MrBluze|gone: Wait? What?! The poll has an option, we can use, if selected?! FOR FUCK SAKE, PEOPLE!!!
[08:54:26] <exec> pyo: unable to find definition
[08:54:29] <crutchy> program your own
[08:54:31] <MrBluze|gone> mattie_p: what name
[08:54:36] <xlefay> crutchy, LOL
[08:54:44] <arti> muhahaha
[08:54:46] <mattie_p> MrBluze|gone yours, firingsquid
[08:54:48] <arti> i still want to crit you
[08:54:53] <MrBluze|gone> oh
[08:54:58] <arti> once i was hit for ~ 22 hours, meh
[08:54:59] <stderr> s/can/can't/
[08:54:59] <SedBot> <stderr> MrBluze|gone: Wait? What?! The poll has an option, we can't use, if selected?! FOR FUCK SAKE, PEOPLE!!!
[08:55:06] <MrBluze|gone> thanks mattie_p, i have some plans for it
[08:55:26] <MrBluze|gone> i dunno stderr i have no idea what is happening with the vote now
[08:55:34] <mattie_p> Hopefully selling potato guns that shoot blobs of squid. I'd buy one
[08:55:37] <crutchy> is there a vote?
[08:55:42] <MrBluze|gone> and i dont want to know, unless i get an email saying one of the domains i bought is selected - so i can sign it over
[08:55:44] <crutchy> i thought it was just submissions
[08:55:56] <mattie_p> yes, if you were registered, you should have had an email today
[08:56:22] <MrBluze|gone> mattie_p: lol .. firingsquid .. the premise is ... you line people up and shoot them with ink
[08:56:33] <MrBluze|gone> as in speak the truth
[08:56:34] <stderr> Is there a memo server on this network or do I have to be lucky enough to catch audioguy "in person" in order to complain about this crap?
[08:56:42] <xlefay> stderr, /ms
[08:57:24] <xlefay> arti, digital ocean looks nice :o
[08:57:43] <stderr> Can you give a command that works in all IRC clients? Thanks...
[08:57:47] <MrBluze|gone> digitalocean++
[08:57:47] <deadbeef> karma - digitalocean: 1
[08:57:50] <ar> stderr: /msg
[08:57:53] * arti uses them as a backup, seed and log files are stored there
[08:58:02] <xlefay> stderr, /msg memoserv
[08:58:13] <crutchy> the irc civ game i started working on will have an infinite map
[08:58:17] <xlefay> I can't help that your client doesn't forward it appropriately ;-)
[08:58:17] <mattie_p> lol @stderr. I have the same problem. I never know what anyone is talking about
[08:58:22] <arti> crutchy: noice
[08:58:22] <crutchy> well, limited mby my hard drive space :-P
[08:58:31] <ar> crutchy: irc… civ… game?
[08:58:37] <arti> in php!
[08:58:41] <crutchy> yeah
[08:58:44] <crutchy> :-P
[08:58:51] <crutchy> could have perl modules though
[08:58:54] <mattie_p> I am intrigued and wish to subscribe
[08:58:55] <crutchy> or python
[08:59:01] <arti> i'm sure there is a CPAN for it...
[08:59:10] <crutchy> civ
[08:59:10] <exec> IRCiv: by crutchy
[08:59:23] <arti> this should be cool
[08:59:36] <crutchy> working on mysql stuff atm
[08:59:39] <crutchy> pdo
[08:59:53] <mattie_p> I got my kids into CIV4 a while back, my son is still addicted and likes it better than Civ5 in a lot of ways
[08:59:56] <MrBluze|gone> stderr: u could always EMAIL him
[09:00:15] <crutchy> i love building games
[09:00:24] <MrBluze|gone> ima gonna host tradewars2002
[09:01:15] <xlefay> OVH has pretty decent servers for decent prices too (dedis)
[09:01:16] <ar> mattie_p: well, i did play civ4 quite a lot, and just couldn't get hooked up with civ5
[09:01:23] <crutchy> mattie_p: i still play civ2
[09:01:49] <mattie_p> civ2 is what got me into the series, I loved me some zealots
[09:02:19] <ar> yeah
[09:02:36] <stderr> MrBluze|gone: I could... But now I have written 3 memos instead...
[09:02:37] <ar> back in 2005 or 2006 i was still playing civ2
[09:02:43] <ar> as in, regularly
[09:02:51] <crutchy> "lets go bonk some heads sir!"
[09:02:53] <MrBluze|gone> lol
[09:02:53] <crutchy> lol
[09:02:59] <MrBluze|gone> i just thought it would be fitting ;)
[09:03:07] <ar> though the last game i can remember was in 2009 or 2010
[09:03:15] <MrBluze|gone> i wanna host some telnet games
[09:03:23] <ar> MrBluze|gone: Slash'EM!
[09:03:30] <ar> (which is a fork of NetHack)
[09:03:55] <stderr> Anyone playing FreeCiv? (Is that still around?)
[09:04:02] <ar> stderr: it is
[09:04:06] <crutchy> yeah
[09:04:11] <MrBluze|gone> brb
[09:04:20] <crutchy> its cool, but a little more complicated than civ2
[09:04:25] <crutchy> but more eye candy
[09:04:32] <crutchy> and enforced borders :-)
[09:04:51] <crutchy> i fucking hate foreigners building a damn city right in my fucking farmland
[09:05:06] <mattie_p> MrBluze|gone we're already hosting a MUD, NCommander is looking at some other stuff
[09:05:08] <ar> http://play.freeciv.org - huh
[09:05:34] <crutchy> apt-get install freeciv
[09:05:46] <crutchy> there's also freecol
[09:06:58] <crutchy> i am seriously not touching minecraft
[09:07:09] <ar> crutchy: it looks like it could implemented as just a ruleset/maps for freeciv
[09:07:25] <crutchy> borders?
[09:07:32] <ar> freecol
[09:07:42] <crutchy> freecol is a separate program
[09:07:47] <crutchy> apt-get install freecol
[09:08:02] <ar> i know
[09:08:06] <ar> but it just looks so
[09:08:08] <crutchy> ah sorry
[09:08:19] <crutchy> i think i only ever tried it once
[09:08:31] <crutchy> i kinda like the simplicity of civ 2
[09:08:48] <crutchy> not into over-the-top eye candy
[09:09:07] <crutchy> strategy > graphics
[09:09:22] * chromas demands real-time volumetric clouds
[09:09:32] <crutchy> try windows
[09:09:38] <mattie_p> gameplay > graphics
[09:09:56] <mattie_p> I still play some NES games on an emulator when I need to waste time
[09:10:00] <crutchy> if you look at windows chromas, you might see some volumetric clouds
[09:10:18] <stderr> "This email must be received before 7 days from the time you receive this email to be counted." How do you know when I _received_ the email?
[09:10:40] <crutchy> you have to send an email saying that you received the email
[09:10:56] <crutchy> :-D
[09:11:03] <stderr> Oh, wait, it's "this email" in both places... "This email" is received exactly when "this email" is received...
[09:11:09] <stderr> No problem then...
[09:11:20] <stderr> But when do you need the reply? :-)
[09:11:31] <arti> mattie_p: blaster master
[09:11:42] <crutchy> stderr: yesterday
[09:11:58] <stderr> xblast!!!
[09:12:14] <mattie_p> Legend of Zelda
[09:12:21] <crutchy> "i'm sorry... your vote has bounced... do not pass go... do not collect 200 level 11 coffee machines"
[09:12:46] <crutchy> whacky wheels ftw!
[09:13:00] <stderr> crutchy: I'm already close to giving up on this voting shit...
[09:13:06] <chromas> When I look at Windows, all I see it beta. And Ballmer looked up on it and said "lo, it is stable and gets the job done. Let's not do that again" and thus caused a flood of beta upon the face of the earth
[09:13:26] <crutchy> you're looking at the wrong windows version
[09:13:29] <chromas> derp; missed a sentence. Oh well
[09:13:29] <stderr> Weird definition of "stable"...
[09:13:36] <crutchy> you want windows transparent edition
[09:13:38] <crutchy> wall mounted
[09:13:44] <arti> lol
[09:13:53] <MrBluze|gone> mattie_p: i'm afraid i am not sure i am staying with this project
[09:13:59] * arti cues windowsblindz reference
[09:14:21] <ar> that reminds me, samsung had demos of transparent screens
[09:14:22] <arti> i think we all need some popsicles
[09:14:36] * arti offers pineapple and tangerine
[09:14:36] <crutchy> they have bendy transparent screens
[09:14:39] <mattie_p> you mean SN the site?
[09:14:53] <MrBluze|gone> mattie_p: yes
[09:14:55] <crutchy> at NES or whatever its called
[09:14:58] <stderr> Maybe I should start recruiting people for one of my projects... MrBluze|gone?
[09:15:18] <MrBluze|gone> lol
[09:15:31] <MrBluze|gone> i dunno
[09:15:33] <mattie_p> May I ask why? You've been a big help to this point.
[09:15:49] <mattie_p> we'll miss you when you're gone, oh wait, you already are
[09:15:56] <MrBluze|gone> my problem is i have been so time poor i suspect i hvae been holding the project back rather than advancing it
[09:16:36] MrBluze|gone is now known as MrBluze
[09:16:41] <MrBluze> ok sorry about that
[09:17:07] <mattie_p> I doubt you've been holding us back. every one of us has time issues, some for a short time, some for longer periods
[09:17:18] <mattie_p> you're welcome to contribute what you can, when you can
[09:17:23] <MrBluze> cheers mate
[09:20:21] <mattie_p> Anyway, I guess my point is that we're not turning you out. we'll get by either way
[09:21:25] <MrBluze> u certainly will get by :)
[09:21:36] * MrBluze has no doubt about that
[09:22:39] <mattie_p> yeah, we've survived quite a bit in our first few months of existence, haven't we
[09:23:35] <MrBluze> yep
[09:23:56] <MrBluze> im just not really keen to stay with the soylentnews name but im not confident this will ever change now
[09:24:55] <mattie_p> for better or for worse, it has some momentum
[09:26:32] * MrBluze nods
[09:26:47] <chromas> You could always sell out and fork :-)
[09:27:04] <arti> FORK EM! FORK EM ALL
[09:27:06] <MrBluze> but for my area - style - i am not inspired by it so for ages i havent worked out how to start
[09:27:07] <stderr> chromas: Or join me. :-)
[09:27:08] <mattie_p> if we had any assets to sell, that is
[09:27:27] <mattie_p> stderr what project are you working on now?
[09:27:32] * MrBluze never forking anything
[09:27:40] <MrBluze> what r u up to stderr
[09:27:52] <arti> he's making some kind of cake batter program
[09:29:23] <stderr> mattie_p / MrBluze: An old idea that includes a news/comment system.
[09:29:43] <chromas> Something less webby?
[09:29:50] <mattie_p> but with cake?
[09:29:54] <arti> is it a bbs!
[09:30:00] <stderr> Registered: 2006-12-30
[09:30:00] <stderr> An old, old idea...
[09:30:15] <mattie_p> yeah, seems that way
[09:30:15] <arti> oh, is it a mobile phone that is also a computer?
[09:30:28] <MrBluze> nice
[09:30:39] <arti> 2006. that was a good year
[09:30:39] <MrBluze> i might be vaguely interested
[09:30:42] <MrBluze> depends
[09:30:53] <MrBluze> but i am useless tbh
[09:31:03] <ar> stderr: dotslash? ;)
[09:31:12] <mattie_p> meh, hard to get more useless than me around here.
[09:31:20] <ar> naaah
[09:31:24] <stderr> ar: Nope, a way better name. :-)
[09:31:27] <ar> i'm the most useless one around here
[09:31:44] <ar> i'm so useless, i'm winning idlerpg
[09:31:46] <mattie_p> ar, you are the best at idling, I'd hardly call that useless
[09:32:12] <stderr> arti: It's more like ... the internet... but on a computer... Sort of... -ish...
[09:32:30] <mattie_p> that is deliciously vague
[09:32:42] <ar> stderr: is it… software defined internet?
[09:33:25] <stderr> Software-defined software defining software for the internet... On a computer.
[09:33:26] <mattie_p> stderr if it gets off the ground, let us know, I'll make sure we give a shout out
[09:33:40] <arti> seems abstract
[09:33:53] <arti> bongs usually help with these ideas
[09:34:11] <stderr> I should probably go back to the coding...
[09:34:24] * arti salutes
[09:34:35] <arti> remember, only you can prevent buffer overflows
[09:34:56] <arti> [ Achievement Unlocked: Off by one ]
[09:34:58] <NCommander> I feel guilty playing minecraft that I'm not working on SN ...
[09:35:09] * NCommander is in that late night can't sleep depression
[09:35:11] <arti> we all need entertainment time
[09:35:11] * MrBluze sighs
[09:35:18] <MrBluze> hi NCommander
[09:35:31] * NCommander injects MrBluze with anti-sigh, the stop sighing medication
[09:35:39] <mattie_p> I should probably go to bed, I'm done winding down after typing my 3000 word paper
[09:35:42] <MrBluze> thanks
[09:35:42] <arti> maybe he has athsma
[09:35:50] <arti> asthsmamsmsaas
[09:36:15] <mattie_p> hi and bye, NCommander
[09:36:51] <NCommander> mattie_p, peace :-/
[09:37:57] <mattie_p> NCommander I'll be back for reals in about 12 hours, now that my daughter is home and my paper is done
[09:38:08] <MrBluze> glad she's better, mattie_p
[09:38:23] <mattie_p> I had three weeks to work on it, but of course two of those weeks my daughter was in the hospital, so I ended up writing 3000 words in 4 days
[09:38:30] <mattie_p> research and all
[09:38:58] <mattie_p> thanks, MrBluze, I'm glad she's doing better too. not 100% yet, but working on it
[09:39:13] <MrBluze> and happy easter
[09:39:15] <MrBluze> cheers
[09:39:29] <mattie_p> so I'll say sayonara for the evening, and chocolate bunnies and marshmallow peeps to everyone
[09:49:58] <MrBluze> hmm.. python looks like a PITA for making websites
[09:50:08] <MrBluze> but i'll persist and give it a good go
[09:50:19] <ar> MrBluze: flask?
[09:50:26] <xlefay> MrBluze, django and the likes are awesome
[09:50:30] <xlefay> like, flask indeed ;)
[09:52:50] <MrBluze> im looking
[09:53:01] <MrBluze> thanks for the pointers
[09:53:06] * MrBluze heading off now
[09:53:09] <MrBluze> see u all later
[09:53:12] <crutchy> cya mrbluze
[09:53:13] <arti> laters MrBluze
[09:53:16] <xlefay> take care MrBluze
[10:23:05] <chromas> Now that I've seen all the other name entries I have ideas. Oh well. I like the ones that are completely obscure and/or don't mean anything like port119 and xkcd
[10:23:47] <chromas> To me, havin "geek" or "nerd" in the name is kind of dorky, like "My"..."My Computer", "MySQL", "My bacon"
[10:44:09] -!- janrinok [janrinok!~janrinok@Soylent/Staff/Editor/janrinok] has joined #Soylent
[10:44:09] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v janrinok] by juggler
[10:44:58] <janrinok> hi - holiday greetings!
[10:51:25] <chromas> Hey janrinok
[10:55:40] <janrinok> chromas: hi, sry I got distracted a bit there
[11:10:57] <dentonj> moo
[11:10:57] <exec> (__)
[11:10:57] <exec> (oo)
[11:10:57] <exec> /------\/
[11:10:57] <exec> / | ||
[11:10:57] <exec> * /\---/\
[11:10:58] <exec> ~~ ~~
[11:10:58] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:16:54] <janrinok> moo to you too
[11:16:54] <exec> (__)
[11:16:55] <exec> (oo)
[11:16:55] <exec> /------\/
[11:16:55] <exec> / | ||
[11:16:55] <exec> * /\---/\
[11:16:55] <exec> ~~ ~~
[11:16:56] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:29:53] <chromas> zypper moo says:
[11:29:58] <chromas> \\\\\
[11:29:58] <chromas> \\\\\\\__o
[11:29:58] <chromas> __\\\\\\\'/_
[11:30:10] <chromas> I don't know what that is
[11:30:15] <janrinok> neither do I!
[11:31:00] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Amazon and Google Spar over 'Cloud' Supremacy - http://sylnt.us
[11:31:25] <janrinok> I've imagined it upside down, back-to-front, and everywhich way, but it has me baffled.
[11:31:45] <chromas> interwebz says it's a porcupine
[11:32:31] <janrinok> OK, but I don't think that they moo very often....
[11:32:35] <chromas> aptitude also has moo but you have to set it to extremely verbose
[11:32:59] <janrinok> one would have to be _really_ bored to want to do that....
[11:33:29] <chromas> Isn't that why we're mooing in here?
[11:34:05] <janrinok> I was simply trying to find life on SN somewhere - but I suppose that does qualify as being really bored....
[11:34:29] <chromas> It's been really quiet lately
[11:34:52] <janrinok> yep, and the weekends are terrible. So I am grateful for your company.
[11:35:45] <janrinok> I notice that you do not feature on the whos-who as being part of any particular team or group?
[11:36:11] <janrinok> but it is probably out-of-date
[11:36:55] <chromas> Nah, I'm just a lurker
[11:37:13] <chromas> Sometimes I pipe up with a bad joke or something
[11:37:45] <janrinok> well you're welcome anyway, but you do seem to be here often, and at unusual hours.
[11:38:16] <janrinok> you haven't got the same erratic sleep patterns as NC and xlefay have you?#
[11:38:16] <chromas> Secretly, I'm actually a very small shell script
[11:38:34] <janrinok> Have aspirations - be a big shell script!
[11:38:37] <chromas> Just offset from regular day hours
[11:39:04] <janrinok> I suppose that depends where your day is. For me its almost lunch time
[11:39:50] <chromas> it's ~0240 here :-)
[11:40:18] <janrinok> yep - them's unusual hours to be here on a Sunday morning!
[11:40:37] <chromas> I'm comparing other Linux distros in virtualbox and also trying to find other window managers that work with KDE
[11:40:56] <janrinok> If you are having a collection to buy a bed, I'm willing to contribute a little.
[11:41:28] <chromas> I've got a bed but you know, I might miss something
[11:41:57] <janrinok> I'm afraid I'm still a Gnome man - although with their financial problems I'm not sure how long they will stay around!
[11:42:33] <janrinok> I liked old-school KDE but don't like any of the new desktops.
[11:43:01] <chromas> I've run E dr17 a few times but it seems like the config options are all over the place
[11:43:11] <janrinok> I'd still be using an abacus and stone tablets if I could find somewhere to get the batteries...
[11:43:45] <chromas> lol
[11:44:22] <chromas> I just discovered this: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[11:45:32] <janrinok> I think my lunch is almost ready, I'm going to have to leave you to you - oh no - What have you just shown me. I'm going to be late for lunch now!
[11:45:48] <chromas> It'll still be there :0
[11:45:50] <chromas> :)
[11:46:19] <janrinok> lol - that's a cruel trick to play, but the roast lamb is winning at the moment! cul8r
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[11:46:40] <chromas> Bye. Have a good lunch
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[12:07:44] <xlefay> janrinok|afk, it's not a bug it's a feature!
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[12:15:46] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[12:18:07] <prospectacle> hey crutchy, how's it going?
[12:18:23] <prospectacle> I've just voted for the site name. How exciting
[12:18:37] <crutchy> ooooh
[12:18:44] <crutchy> i'm ok
[12:18:52] <crutchy> thanks. any you?
[12:20:05] <prospectacle> good thanks. I've taken some leave from work to fill in the gaps between all these public holidays, so I'm off until monday week!
[12:22:01] <crutchy> you lucky bastard!
[12:22:58] <prospectacle> So what's been happening? I ugess I should find an article to submit as they're down to 10
[12:27:39] <crutchy> not much
[12:27:48] <crutchy> been doing a bit of coding
[12:30:29] <prospectacle> cool, how's the game going/
[12:30:30] <prospectacle> ?
[12:31:46] <prospectacle> http://iplayif.com
[12:31:46] <prospectacle> I've been reading about old text-adventure games, and found a cool site that implements one of the popular interactive-fiction engines in javascript.
[12:32:05] <prospectacle> you can find games here. http://ifdb.tads.org
[12:34:09] <crutchy> atm just working on database routines (the boring bit)
[12:34:37] <crutchy> made an apache vhost to work on mapping though too
[12:34:49] <crutchy> just on my lan
[12:38:04] <prospectacle> nice, well someone's gotta do the boring bits
[12:38:53] <prospectacle> have you voted for the site name?
[12:40:08] <crutchy> haven't yet
[12:40:26] <crutchy> there's an email or something yeah?
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[12:44:24] <prospectacle> yeah, you just reply in plain text and add numbers in the boxes.
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[12:52:06] <crutchy> definitely have to break up this code into a few more files
[12:52:44] <crutchy> as much as i'd love to have all the db stuff in one file, its going to get too big i think
[12:57:40] <prospectacle> what do you use for code editing/navigation?
[12:58:40] <crutchy> gedit
[12:59:38] <prospectacle> does it have function listing? I find that's the most useful way for me to organise code. Just set the function list to alphabetical and you're set
[13:00:33] <crutchy> it doesn't, but i name my functions using file__name convention
[13:00:44] <crutchy> so pretty easy to figure out where things are
[13:01:49] <prospectacle> in notepad++ (probably in other editors, too) you can get a plugin that lists your functions, and you just double click on one to go there. Makes it much easier to handle larger files
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[13:02:35] <prospectacle> if your code is getting too large, I recommend something like that to save you time when jumping between different parts of your code.
[13:03:22] <xlefay> That sounds like a pain to refactor :o
[13:03:37] <crutchy> i don't have too much trouble, but i do like the feature in delphi where you can hold down ctrl and click on a function name (called) and it will take you to the file and location where that function is declared
[13:03:44] <crutchy> that *would* be handy :-)
[13:03:57] * xlefay notes his favorite IDE, PHPStorm does that
[13:04:35] <crutchy> i guess the function listing would be similar though
[13:05:00] <crutchy> gedit comes with a few plugins but i disable most
[13:05:34] <crutchy> i'm a simpleton
[13:05:46] <prospectacle> yeah, anything that saves you scrolling over and over again to find something, or having to constantly be using search, is good in my book
[13:05:53] <xlefay> least we don't have to instantiate you all the time!
[13:06:03] <crutchy> this will all end up on github though, so any feedback would be most welcome :-)
[13:06:03] * xlefay notes crutchy is extremely efficient that way :P
[13:06:59] <xlefay> (you are familiar with the singleton pattern, right?)
[13:07:10] <crutchy> i rolled a pdo get function to get a field value from any table instead of having separate function from each
[13:07:23] <crutchy> singleton pattern?
[13:07:29] <xlefay> http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:08:01] <crutchy> ah
[13:08:36] <xlefay> I thought that's what you meant with Singleton..
[13:08:36] <crutchy> i don't use objects much xlefay, so not sure if it really applies :-P
[13:08:50] <xlefay> but I see now, that singleton also means something else lol
[13:09:12] <crutchy> you mean when i said that i'm a simpleton?
[13:09:30] <xlefay> every time you did yeah hah
[13:09:50] * xlefay hears crutchy think "Silly non-native English speakers!"
[13:10:03] * crutchy is confused
[13:10:24] <xlefay> lol
[13:14:45] <prospectacle> crutchy, what does your pdo get function do exactly? I'm a bit confused
[13:15:27] <crutchy> just gets a field value
[13:15:47] <crutchy> i'm using it as a check to make sure a record is created
[13:16:20] <crutchy> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:17:23] <crutchy> its not tested yet
[13:18:09] * crutchy renamed id_field arg to get_field
[13:18:30] <crutchy> its mainly used to get id's so far but could be used for lots of things
[13:19:54] <crutchy> hmm actually i should also rename value_field to uique_field
[13:20:03] <crutchy> s/ui/uni/
[13:20:03] <SedBot> <crutchy> hmm actually i should also rename value_field to unique_field
[13:20:54] <xlefay> hmm, perhaps it'd be better to just extend PDO directly?
[13:21:04] <crutchy> might be
[13:21:24] <crutchy> not sure how to do that
[13:21:35] <xlefay> class MyDB extends \PDO { function get(....) { ... }; } | $mydb->getSomeName()
[13:21:36] <crutchy> that's only a very small part
[13:22:06] <xlefay> (you'd instantiate PDO via, $db = new MyDB(...normal pdo stuff...);
[13:22:23] <crutchy> i have a db__connect function for that yeah
[13:22:26] <xlefay> I'd save you a lot of global $pdo's once your specific DB helper functions start to grow
[13:22:41] <crutchy> as much as globals are frowned upon, they're simple for me in this case
[13:23:06] <xlefay> and instead of the error function, you'd simply throw exceptions, and deal with them inside the appropriate code
[13:23:24] <xlefay> Yeah, in this case it's simple, just wait till you get a few more functions :P
[13:23:43] <crutchy> there will be lots of functions
[13:24:00] <crutchy> you would probably balk at my work app :-P
[13:24:40] <crutchy> as much as classes are good, i think i still need most of that code regardless of how i do it
[13:24:41] <xlefay> The function isn't bad at all though, I'd just extend PDO instead (although, generally that's frowned upon as well) :P
[13:25:22] <crutchy> i'll push to github in a while though. you can rip through it :-)
[13:25:41] <prospectacle> looks good. I usually end up writing a function similar to that whenever I make a db app. You'd think I'd have just made a generic library by now.
[13:26:19] <xlefay> I never actually did bother to write a wrapper I'd simply re-use either..
[13:26:20] <crutchy> i decided to go with a file for each table, with insert, update and delete functions
[13:26:26] <xlefay> guess we're all just reinventing the wheel every time :P
[13:26:32] <crutchy> lol yeah
[13:26:34] <crutchy> fun
[13:26:34] <xlefay> ok.. that kinda sounds bad
[13:26:45] <prospectacle> One thing I'm learning from recent projects, is stop after every 2 or 3 features, and turn everything you're doing more than once, into a function. There's always more than you expect.
[13:27:06] <crutchy> xlefay: the functions aren't named the same though
[13:27:15] <xlefay> prospectacle, as a rule of thumb, I tend to try to keep things generic unless it's required to be different
[13:27:23] <crutchy> example: db_players__delete($nick)
[13:27:27] <xlefay> when it's generic, it's just easy to write functions directly
[13:27:34] <prospectacle> and it's always easy while you're implementing the feature to think "I'll just copy and paste this and make the required changes, for now..."
[13:27:39] <xlefay> yeah.. that looks a bit weird :P
[13:27:41] <crutchy> db_games__delete($name)
[13:27:45] <xlefay> $player->delete(); ftw :P
[13:27:46] <crutchy> lol
[13:27:58] <xlefay> One day crutchy, we'll get you to the OOP side of things :P
[13:28:04] <crutchy> the first part (db_players) is the filename
[13:28:09] <xlefay> That day may be far, far away but it'll happen!
[13:28:12] <crutchy> so i know exactly where to find it
[13:28:25] <crutchy> i'm an oop guy
[13:28:30] <crutchy> just not for php
[13:28:32] <crutchy> yet :-P
[13:28:34] <prospectacle> xlefay, yes it's a fine balance. I mean sometimes a special purpose set of functions is needed, and will save you a great deal of time, but you don't want to over-specialise too early.
[13:28:44] <crutchy> i oop for delphi
[13:28:46] <xlefay> Well, you'll be storing players in an array now then?
[13:29:13] <xlefay> prospectacle, you generalize whatever make sense, the rest, you just write a function for unless you're absolutely sure you don't need to re-use it ever
[13:29:14] <crutchy> xlefay: me?
[13:29:24] <xlefay> That's what I generally do (to *a* extent)
[13:29:26] <crutchy> i'll be storing players in a mysql table
[13:29:41] <crutchy> along with just about everything else except defs
[13:29:45] <xlefay> crutchy, yeah, but you'll have to grab information from players and store it before throwing it into a db, right?
[13:30:02] <xlefay> e.g. db_player__find('some name') ?
[13:30:23] <crutchy> yeah i'll need those kind of functions
[13:30:45] <crutchy> actually for that one i'll just use the get function
[13:30:48] <xlefay> In the case of OOP, with such a situation, I'd make a nice little default class for players (named, 'Player' fittingly); and have default functions and of course, have a save() function ;-)
[13:31:03] <crutchy> db__get("players","player_id","nick",$nick)
[13:31:31] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Single Photon Quantum Switch - http://sylnt.us - wave-particle-duality
[13:31:52] <xlefay> I suppose it'd just be a wrapper to the db :D
[13:31:58] <xlefay> $player = new Player("nick name"); $player->username = "whatevs"; .... $player->save(); # ftw
[13:32:09] * xlefay notes most of those @%!^@# ORMs work that way as well ;-)
[13:32:27] <xlefay> crutchy, the hard way :P
[13:32:51] <crutchy> there's prolly a few ways to do it, but you still need prepare,bindParam,execute and fetch in there somewhere
[13:33:36] <xlefay> I like the fact that you like to simplify it from the beginning (e.g. use procedural style); which is nice and simple initially but can end up being a real horror (that's what I'm always afraid of when dealing with pure procedural code) :(
[13:33:54] <xlefay> crutchy, yeah but that'd be abstracted
[13:34:17] <xlefay> although, you're using some OOP anyway already ;-)
[13:34:32] <xlefay> some form of OOP since data objects are that _somewhat_
[13:34:51] <crutchy> abstraction is good, but can sort of also be achieved functionally too
[13:34:54] <xlefay> Kudos for the prepared statements though
[13:34:57] <crutchy> (like the db__get)
[13:35:17] <crutchy> i'll do the same with delete, etc
[13:35:31] <crutchy> i'll see how it goes
[13:35:32] <xlefay> yea
[13:35:43] <crutchy> if it turns out crap i'll refactor :-)
[13:36:02] <xlefay> I wonder really if there's a performance penalty for using PDO::FETCH_OBJECT as opposed to FETCH_ASSOC or FETCH_ROW
[13:36:17] <crutchy> dunno
[13:36:25] <xlefay> crutchy, since you're only looking for one result, wouldn't fetch_row be more approriate (in the psat you made)?
[13:36:26] <xlefay> paste*
[13:36:28] <crutchy> i just use fetch_assoc for everything :-P
[13:36:28] <prospectacle> I prefer procedural, as well. Maybe I just haven't practiced enough with clases but I don't see the benefits, and I see a few drawbacks, like having to write a lot more boilerplate
[13:37:02] <crutchy> yeah probably don't need associative array though
[13:37:26] <crutchy> except maybe to make the code more readbale
[13:37:58] <prospectacle> like $player->save() is fine, but I can also write save_player();
[13:38:11] <xlefay> crutchy, eh nvm, I was confused
[13:39:15] <xlefay> prospectacle, e.g. $player1 = new Player('...'); $player2 = ...; $player3 = ....; $player1->save(); $player2->save(); etc.. as opposed to:
[13:39:41] <xlefay> $player1 = ...; $player2 = ...; $player3 = ...; save_player($player1); etc.. I suppose that bit is just mostly the style you prefer
[13:40:23] <xlefay> Personally, I prefer the ->save() approach, it's more clear you're directly affecting the player you selected (not that it matters when dealing with a lot of code); as for OOP itself, it has quite a bit of benefits
[13:42:02] <prospectacle> xlefay, I probably haven't done enough OOP to learn them. At the moment i find procedural is more intuitive because it's like more like english, verb(noun), although of course it's often more complex than that.
[13:42:29] <prospectacle> fill(bucket) as opposed to bucket->fill
[13:42:44] <xlefay> The biggest issue with OOP itself is that it can get quite complicated when some asshole left code you've got to maintain that started with abstracting World ;-)
[13:43:20] <xlefay> prospectacle, there isn't really a difference there except how you look at it
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[13:46:47] <crutchy> oh
[13:46:57] <crutchy> bye prospectacle?
[13:47:13] <xlefay> hmm, guess that procedure wasn't completed properly!
[13:47:31] <crutchy> ping timeout usually means a connection issue yeah?
[13:47:45] <xlefay> yeah, either on his side, along the route or the server side
[13:48:21] <xlefay> Essentially, the server sends a PING and his client didn't PONG on time
[13:49:27] <crutchy> oops
[13:49:47] <crutchy> just realised i was putting email in password field and password in email field
[13:50:29] <xlefay> https://www.youtube.com pretty decent outline
[13:50:35] <xlefay> auch :p
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[13:53:54] <crutchy> wb
[13:54:39] <prospectacle> thanks
[13:54:45] <prospectacle> stupid interenet tubes got twisted
[13:55:27] <crutchy> arti clogged it up with tacos
[13:55:38] <prospectacle> I should have known
[13:58:32] <crutchy> https://github.com
[13:59:11] <crutchy> hmm redundant arg in db__delete
[13:59:26] * crutchy looks around for redundant department of redundancy spies
[13:59:54] <prospectacle> nice work crutchy, we have lift-off
[14:00:11] <crutchy> piggybacks off exec
[14:00:54] <crutchy> civ
[14:00:54] <exec> IRCiv: by crutchy
[14:01:11] <crutchy> civ crutchy insert player test@test.com
[14:01:24] <crutchy> hmm
[14:02:24] <crutchy> i'll jump into #test
[14:03:27] <crutchy> lol it worked
[14:03:36] <crutchy> just didn't give any feedback that it works
[14:03:38] <crutchy> :-P
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[14:04:10] <prospectacle> how do you play?
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[14:04:39] <crutchy> need to work out commands
[14:04:59] <crutchy> but every command will likely need a password
[14:05:19] <crutchy> so opening a pm window with exec prolly easiest
[14:05:29] <crutchy> dunno still working all that out
[14:05:52] <crutchy> might end up being easier with a web interface or something
[14:06:28] <prospectacle> no reason it can't be both
[14:06:41] <crutchy> true
[14:07:14] <crutchy> http://civ.dev is the local vhost i set up to much around with web features
[14:07:21] <crutchy> s/much/muck/
[14:07:22] <SedBot> <crutchy> http://civ.dev is the local vhost i set up to muck around with web features
[14:08:08] <crutchy> to access outside i'll have to move everything into my dmz server
[14:13:04] <crutchy> i prolly should add the mysql schema to github too eh
[14:20:23] <prospectacle> Probably I should learn how to use github
[14:20:27] <prospectacle> seems to be all the rage
[14:20:42] <crutchy> not bad once you get in the swing of it
[14:20:55] <crutchy> git add filename
[14:21:01] <crutchy> git commit -m "blah"
[14:21:04] <crutchy> git push
[14:21:06] <crutchy> that's it
[14:21:41] <prospectacle> sounds easy enough
[14:22:11] <crutchy> just gotta make sure you delete files with git too (git rm filename, git commit -m, git push)
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[14:22:26] <crutchy> don't do what i did and delete off your local without git :-P
[14:22:31] * Konomi waves to MrBluze
[14:22:49] <crutchy> xlefay had to help me when i di that :-P
[14:23:08] <MrBluze> hi Konomi
[14:23:09] <prospectacle> nasty
[14:23:22] <crutchy> easy to get around though :-)
[14:23:29] <MrBluze> hi all
[14:23:29] <prospectacle> the github web interface is pretty good. Although where's the download all link
[14:23:43] <crutchy> i think there's a zip link
[14:23:55] <crutchy> or you can fork and create local
[14:24:02] <crutchy> have a squiz at my user wiki page
[14:24:03] <xlefay> https://www.youtube.com I couldn't agree more!
[14:24:32] <crutchy> prospectacle: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:24:44] <crutchy> there's prolly other good places too though
[14:28:11] <crutchy> simplified some bits
[14:28:15] <prospectacle> thanks both for links.
[14:36:00] <prospectacle> that mr torvalds sure created some popular software.
[14:36:14] <prospectacle> i hear more than a thousand people use his programs every day
[14:36:32] <crutchy> he's a software engineer that i think even arti wouldn't call a "software fag" :-P
[14:36:39] <xlefay> lol, you do realize it's a joke in its entire, right? ;-)
[14:36:56] <crutchy> the story behind the name 'git'?
[14:37:08] <xlefay> the youtube link about git x'D
[14:37:12] <crutchy> oh
[14:37:25] <crutchy> dunno i got it open but i haven't watched it yet :-P
[14:37:35] <xlefay> be prepared to lmao
[14:37:40] <crutchy> :-D
[14:37:47] <crutchy> i noticed the title
[14:37:54] <crutchy> seemed a bit fishy
[14:38:02] <xlefay> At first I was like "wtf?" x'D
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[14:44:23] <crutchy> does anyone (except ballmer) ever have anything negative to say about anything torvalds has developed?
[14:44:41] <crutchy> he's like a software god or something
[14:44:51] <crutchy> and no toe cheese
[14:45:11] <crutchy> well, not that i've seen :-P
[14:45:46] <crutchy> my filesystem sucks
[14:46:47] <crutchy> i'm working in /var/www/slash/git/test/irciv but has nothing to do with slash
[14:48:51] <crutchy> schema pushed
[15:04:25] <ar> NCommander [711/750]
[15:04:44] <ar> now that's just bullshit. how come he has so high-level items? :<
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[15:39:40] <yargh> I just got the email for the name vote. It says "put only numbers 1 to 9 in the square brackets ... A higher number means
[15:39:42] <yargh> you like this choice better.". Just to be clear, does that mean I vote 9 for the name I like the most and 1 for the name I like the least?
[15:40:03] <n1> yargh, thats right
[15:40:50] <n1> 9 is your top vote, which as i understand you have to use. the other numbers are optional.
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[15:41:09] <yargh> OK, thanks. I'm off to vote!
[15:41:30] <n1> :)
[15:42:48] <SirFinkus> lol I voted backwards, serves me right skimming
[15:43:12] <n1> that it does, SirFinkus
[15:43:52] <n1> there's some good options
[15:44:03] <Subsentient> I didn't see Bitwise news.
[15:44:06] * Subsentient sneers
[15:44:34] <n1> as an editor, i'm not so happy with the dupenews option :p
[15:44:35] <Subsentient> But, BTW, HAPPY EASTER EVERYBODY!!!!
[15:44:50] <xlefay> SirFinkus, I think most people will do the same
[15:44:56] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten multicolored egg at xlefay
[15:45:03] <xlefay> what?
[15:45:13] <Subsentient> xlefay: HAPPY EASTER!
[15:45:14] <SirFinkus> so it was a trick!
[15:45:46] <xlefay> "My first choice is" vs. "My ninth choice is" kinda makes sense people automatically consider 1 to be the most liked option..
[15:46:25] <n1> the first time i got a poll email, i had to read it a couple times to make sure I got it
[15:46:26] * Subsentient is rather irritated that nobody just threw up a webpage to vote with
[15:46:54] <n1> Subsentient, the logic i believe was to stop the gaming of the system that can be done with the normal, informal polls.
[15:46:55] <xlefay> Subsentient, you're not the only one. Many of us are. It's ridiculous having to do it via e-mail.
[15:47:06] <n1> mhm
[15:47:22] <n1> i can't say i'm much of a fan of it, just the logic as i understand it
[15:47:31] <xlefay> n1, that's bullshit logic
[15:47:59] <n1> could be
[15:48:03] <xlefay> Say, you'd have that checkbox "Willing to vote"; send those people a e-mail with an unique link to a webform and let them vote then.
[15:48:11] <n1> i don't disagree
[15:48:40] <xlefay> SirFinkus, but hey.. if that'll help us get rid of the name because everyone votes 1 for their favorite, I suppose I'm OK with that
[15:49:20] <n1> i wont be disappointed if that result means we move away from "Soylent"
[15:49:24] <SirFinkus> I don't really care all that much tbh
[15:50:05] <n1> i prefer most of the suggestions over the current name
[15:50:07] <xlefay> n1, me neither; SirFinkus I don't care what name we'll use but meh "SoylentNews" ... we could do so much better.
[15:51:21] <xlefay> n1, I have hardly seen deadbeef post new stories the past few days ;'( everything OK @ the editors/submission front?
[15:51:30] <xlefay> Subsentient, happy easter ;-)
[15:51:48] <Subsentient> xlefay: thanks, took you long enough :^3
[15:52:11] <n1> xlefay, it's been pretty quiet over the weekend as it tends to be but not as bad as it has been
[15:52:37] <n1> idk who is 'deadbeef' though
[15:52:41] <xlefay> Subsentient, sorry, I only just noticed it! I was just having some internal doubts where I should speak my mind about the poll in it's entire freely (I opted not to), so was a bit distracted
[15:52:49] <xlefay> n1, it's the bot who announces new stories and all ;-)
[15:52:55] <n1> ah right
[15:53:00] <n1> maybe it's broken?
[15:53:05] <Subsentient> xlefay: ah
[15:53:07] <n1> i noticed last night it didnt seem to be updating
[15:53:14] <xlefay> no, it posted a link some time ago; least I think..
[15:53:15] <n1> but i havnt been here to really notice
[15:53:37] <xlefay> 13:31: <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Single Photon Quantum Switch - http://sylnt.us - wave-particle-duality
[15:53:43] <n1> yeah we're up to date
[15:53:53] <n1> probably the longest gap there's been between stories in a while though
[15:54:06] <n1> next one should be up in about 30minutes
[15:54:07] <xlefay> yeah prolly
[15:54:11] <xlefay> awesome ;-)
[15:54:14] <n1> but things get really quiet on weekends
[15:54:30] <xlefay> yeah.. I didn't quite realized it was weekend ;)
[15:54:50] <n1> to be honest, i only know because sunday is the day i have a meal with the family
[15:54:58] <xlefay> ha :p
[15:55:09] <n1> and it's annoyed me that it's easter weekend, so everything is closed friday and monday
[15:55:28] <n1> so i spent what felt like forever on hold with a supplier until i remembered, it's a public/bank holiday
[15:55:32] <Subsentient> I know because it's Easter Sunday, but nonetheless, otherwise I would not know what day of the month it is.
[15:55:33] <n1> on friday that is
[15:56:01] <xlefay> auch
[15:56:21] <Subsentient> yeh Friday was no good.
[15:56:26] <xlefay> Subsentient, well, fortune you'd still know which month it is!
[15:56:31] <Subsentient> Sunday? Good. Friday, no good.
[15:56:42] <xlefay> Personally, I don't always see the relevance, it's mostly the same anyway
[15:56:49] <Subsentient> Ironically it's called Good Friday
[15:57:14] <Subsentient> I had a weird, bad day on Friday.
[15:57:21] <xlefay> Subsentient, same could be said about 'Sunday' ;-)
[15:57:21] <n1> time/day/week/month only matters if you have some semblance of a routine
[15:57:44] <Subsentient> xlefay: I don't get it
[15:58:11] <xlefay> I'm thinking it to far through I'm sure
[15:58:47] * xlefay wonders why his music is so unloud :'[
[15:58:57] <Subsentient> xlefay: SIlence is the best music
[15:59:07] <Subsentient> s/SI/Si
[15:59:07] * SedBot offers Subsuntynt a /
[15:59:10] <Subsentient> s/SI/Si/
[15:59:10] <SedBot> <Sybsuntint> xlefay: Silence is the best music
[15:59:14] <crutchy> white noise :-P
[15:59:19] <xlefay> Ok, the switch wasn't flipped. This issue has been corrected.
[15:59:21] <xlefay> \o/
[15:59:30] <xlefay> The*
[15:59:42] <xlefay> Subsentient, meh, sometimes ;-)
[15:59:58] <xlefay> but no-one's home apparently, so screw it. Time to enjoy music.
[16:00:02] <Subsentient> xlefay: I can drown you in philosophical quotes.
[16:00:13] * xlefay notes he knows no-one is home because they'd have complained already
[16:00:22] <Subsentient> LOL
[16:00:37] <xlefay> Subsentient, I could theoretically also drown you in water, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do! ;-)
[16:00:48] <Subsentient> xlefay: :^)
[16:00:53] <xlefay> :P
[16:00:58] <xlefay> How's you by the way?
[16:01:21] <Subsentient> Mmh, it's not only Sunday, but it's Easter Sunday, so despite my wishes, I cannot work.
[16:01:35] <Subsentient> So I sit here and irritate you and eat Jellybeans until I am sick
[16:01:37] <xlefay> Why are you unable to work?
[16:02:01] <Subsentient> xlefay: I don't work on Sundays.
[16:02:21] <Subsentient> xlefay: Use DuckDuckGo and look up Sunday No Work
[16:02:29] <xlefay> I see. Oh well, that's rather unfortunate for you that is.
[16:02:33] <xlefay> Nah, I'm good.
[16:03:28] <prospectacle> Yeah writing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc, would probably have removed all confusion.
[16:03:41] <prospectacle> so webform would have been nice
[16:03:42] <xlefay> I had hoped to continue moving the IRCd today but my request to move a package in place where promptly ignored last night *sigh*
[16:03:43] <prospectacle> Also it took a bit of effort to find the plain-text option in gmail
[16:03:46] <prospectacle> but we live and we learn
[16:04:11] <prospectacle> if this site is anything it's open to feedback
[16:04:27] <xlefay> prospectacle, eh, if you ask me, this entire e-mail voting thing was made to prevent people from even considering to vote meh
[16:04:30] <prospectacle> I expect the next vote to be better
[16:04:38] <crutchy> tools
[16:04:43] <crutchy> we just need tools
[16:05:04] <crutchy> they will be developed
[16:05:14] <crutchy> over time
[16:05:16] <crutchy> :-)
[16:05:27] <prospectacle> xlefay, I don't think it's so nasty. When the suggestion was first made to use email, it was to address the problem of having to change slash, or integrate a third-party system.
[16:05:45] <prospectacle> xlefay, at the time, email seemed the simplest solution.
[16:05:52] <prospectacle> of course things get learned in practice
[16:05:59] <xlefay> prospectacle, there were already plans to integrate a third-party system which was according to the one that suggested it, not that hard (iirc)
[16:06:10] <crutchy> xlefay: i could prolly adapt irciv for voting
[16:06:17] <xlefay> but.. due to a miscommunication of sorts, he got ignored
[16:06:22] <crutchy> just need a user registration process and email confirmation
[16:07:08] <prospectacle> xlefay, it probably wouldn't have been that hard, but email was a known quantity, and seemingly simple, and I think that's the reason it won out, even if it didn't turn out as simple or easy as expected.
[16:07:20] <Subsentient> xlefay: TBH, I don't work out of respect, I'm sure nobody actually cares if I do :^)
[16:08:00] <prospectacle> xlefay, I'm not saying email is the way to go, I'm just saying I don't think it was chosen to discourage people from voting, but rather it was chosen with the best of intentions
[16:08:08] <Subsentient> I don't listen to much of the Bible and it's a hilarious thought to call me even close to a traditional Christian, but nonetheless, I'm closer to that than any other established religion
[16:08:47] <xlefay> prospectacle, actually, the reason we went with the voting (and the reason why the other person decided to leave the staff) was because the e-mail decision was made so all else was irrelevant at that point
[16:09:03] <xlefay> prospectacle, I said that in yest yea but still.. it makes things unnatural
[16:09:13] <xlefay> Subsentient, out of respect to who?
[16:09:30] <Subsentient> xlefay: :^)
[16:09:52] <prospectacle> xlefay. It was made very informally, from memory. People were brainstorming and every problem had potential difficulties. The email solution was the one everyone (present) could understand and was convinced would work.
[16:10:24] <prospectacle> xlefay, I'm not sure how staff voting works now, not being part of staff, but back then it seemed this decision was made by a general feeling of whoever was present in #staff
[16:10:27] <xlefay> prospectacle, eh, no. There were a few people who objected and one in particular mentioned they were working on another solution.
[16:10:52] <xlefay> The final decision wasn't made in #staff iirc but I could be wrong about that one but I'm fairly sure about that
[16:11:04] <crutchy> reply by email is handy for registration, but usually a simple reply or link activation is enough
[16:11:24] <xlefay> they = he*
[16:11:26] <prospectacle> xlefay, I probably only saw one part of the decision process. But it seemed like after that stage, email had and kept the momentum.
[16:11:51] <xlefay> prospectacle, because it was the only thing _some_ backed because they didn't care for the alternative (or so it at least seemed to me)
[16:12:24] <crutchy> Subsentient: btw, g'day :-)
[16:12:26] <prospectacle> xlefay, probably not, but the suggestion and the general momentum of the idea happened in #staff, and i'm guessing (correct me if I'm wrong) there wasn't any formal vote or anything after that, so it won almost by default.
[16:12:39] <Subsentient> crutchy: heh hi crutchy
[16:12:41] <Subsentient> $beer crisp
[16:12:41] * aqu4 gives crisp a cold can of beer
[16:12:48] <Subsentient> well he can keep it but...
[16:12:49] <prospectacle> I mean i guess it's hard to have a vote when you're deciding on a voting system
[16:12:51] <Subsentient> $beer crutchy
[16:12:51] * aqu4 gives crutchy a cold can of beer
[16:12:57] <crutchy> lol
[16:13:02] <crutchy> thanks mate
[16:13:17] <Subsentient> crutchy: You from aus?
[16:13:17] <prospectacle> xlefay, out of curiosity, Is there a staff voting system now? is it also email?
[16:13:25] <crutchy> about to tuck into some midnight pasta.. goes well with beer
[16:13:27] <xlefay> prospectacle, no, there was no vote, it was just proclaimed without any further discussion or formal "vote" of sorts - I do think the informal stuff helped make that decision permanent
[16:13:29] <crutchy> yup
[16:13:32] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[16:13:38] <Subsentient> crutchy: The other guy you remind me of was also aus.
[16:13:45] <crutchy> ah
[16:13:58] <Subsentient> Why do aus guys always pick nicks that make them sound old and fossilized?
[16:14:02] <crutchy> yeah we're all a bit weird, right prospectacle?
[16:14:21] <crutchy> in the land downunder
[16:15:11] <xlefay> prospectacle, I believe it's the e-mail thing too.. sufficed to say, I won't be taking parts of those votes
[16:16:17] <crutchy> overseas folk don't seem to be able to grasp the joy of riding a kangeroo to work and avoiding drop bears and deadly wombat snakes at every traffic lights :-P
[16:16:17] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah we're a strange bunch
[16:16:25] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[16:16:25] <deadbeef> Added quote 137
[16:16:34] <Subsentient> crutchy: lol
[16:16:41] <xlefay> crutchy, I can't imagine why ;-)
[16:17:17] <xlefay> prospectacle, out of curiosity, you voted, which ones did you vote for?
[16:17:34] <xlefay> (if I may be so bold to ask)
[16:17:49] <prospectacle> xlefay, I think I put ionews and sudonews up high, can't remember now. I'll go look
[16:18:04] <xlefay> ionews is also one of my favorites
[16:19:21] <prospectacle> xlefay, I understand your objections and I agree there are flaws in the system. On the other hand it's been said about voting that boycotting only makes it works. I also think the current system isn't far from usable. Just make a webform option (everything else the same), and add the token in the url (so you can send it as a link), and you're half way fixed.
[16:20:08] <Subsentient> I think send activation style links to people that take them to a voting form.
[16:20:10] <prospectacle> let people write "1st", "2nd", etc, to avoid confusion, and it's getting pretty good.
[16:20:12] <Subsentient> That's all.
[16:20:44] <crutchy> subsentient: yes
[16:20:47] <xlefay> prospectacle, a webform would also be my suggestion - heck, in PHP it should be an hour of 2-3 work, if done properly.
[16:21:14] <crutchy> but someone still has to make it work
[16:21:18] <xlefay> For a temporary solution, I'd say that's fine
[16:21:25] <xlefay> crutchy, and people volunteered to do that..
[16:21:42] <crutchy> oh i didn't know that sorry
[16:21:43] <prospectacle> xlefay, yes the form is easy. The only remaining obstacles are the authorisation (do you use slash, a one-use token that's email to people, etc), and verification ( do you give people a "preview" or 'test this vote' form?)
[16:21:54] <crutchy> i would have just gone and done it anyway :-P
[16:22:09] <crutchy> i started working on one actually... using prospectacles voting algo
[16:22:15] <xlefay> prospectacle, for a quick & dirty fix? You use a token, that can be re-used by the user to edit his/her vote, edit his/her submissions (before the vote, of course)
[16:22:22] <crutchy> but got... erm... sidetracked :-D
[16:22:51] <xlefay> prospectacle, just keeping it simple enough, that'd be enough
[16:23:20] <crutchy> just reply with the one you vote for, no tld
[16:23:27] <crutchy> use a strpos
[16:23:29] <xlefay> Get the name stuff sorted, then work on the real solution that'll integrate with Slash properly. But heck, you could even just use the Slash database directly.
[16:23:39] <prospectacle> xlefay, I agree. I initially suggested using the comments as a voting system, since I don't really see why they need to be anonymous at this point.
[16:23:54] <prospectacle> and the comments have authorisation built in.
[16:23:56] <xlefay> prospectacle, it's not rocket science.. but apparently, it has to be
[16:24:00] <prospectacle> but I can see a lot of people would prefer anonymous.
[16:24:01] * Subsentient is eating mini bubble gum eggs
[16:24:20] <Subsentient> 8 packs for $1, can't beat it
[16:24:21] <crutchy> is eating a bowl of msg :-P
[16:24:33] <Subsentient> crutchy: lol
[16:24:59] <Subsentient> crutchy: "Is it true that when you ask the chinese restaurant not to add MSG, they add it in anyways?"
[16:25:08] <xlefay> prospectacle, I dunno.. I suppose an unique token would be anonymous enough. You send the e-mail, you give them all a token for the submission process (and don't keep track); you reissue new tokens when the voting starts and send another mail
[16:25:10] <prospectacle> I also put newsdotorg.org fairly high
[16:25:14] <prospectacle> having just checked
[16:25:14] <xlefay> That'd be easy enough.
[16:25:37] <crutchy> dunno
[16:25:46] <crutchy> not a big fan of it
[16:26:04] <Subsentient> I voted for Soylent News at level 9. No others I liked as much.
[16:26:05] <crutchy> chinese food
[16:26:06] <xlefay> prospectacle, and of course.. people could select "willing to vote" after the initial e-mails go out (you'll just exclude all new users since when the vote went out or so)
[16:26:52] <xlefay> Then those who hadn't had time, who were away, etc.. they could all still submit/vote before the time closes (as long, as they were registered before such time that the submission/vote shit went out)
[16:28:06] <crutchy> or just put a vote email address at the top of the main page and say send your preference to this address to vote!
[16:28:13] <prospectacle> maybe I should learn perl and see how to do it
[16:28:15] <crutchy> no coding required :-P
[16:28:27] <xlefay> crutchy, ironically enough.. we had two situations before where something similar was done
[16:28:28] <crutchy> in the email i mean
[16:28:35] <xlefay> I think there might even have been an article on SN about it
[16:28:38] <Subsentient> /me used to know python and was OK with using it for cgi
[16:28:53] <xlefay> name-suggestion@soylentnews.org still works last I checked but I don't think anyone's actually still monitoring that..
[16:29:45] <xlefay> crutchy, although, that was, initially for suggestions only..
[16:30:04] <crutchy> need a web service with an exec bot so that folks can write handlers in their own language eh.... ;-)
[16:30:04] * Subsentient worries about the folks who voted backwards
[16:30:39] <xlefay> crutchy, lol.. you just varnish between different backens
[16:31:02] <xlefay> backends* but I would only recommend that if you're a pro and you're rewriting a backend gradually and you really have no other choice.. which is practically, never
[16:31:15] <xlefay> (eh, as in, you always have a better choice;-))
[16:31:19] <crutchy> don't wanna make it too simple now :-P
[16:31:42] <xlefay> ha
[16:31:47] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Orphan Black Comes Back, Tomorrow - http://sylnt.us - Hello,-me.-It's-me-again.
[16:31:54] <xlefay> OOH
[16:31:56] <xlefay> good news!
[16:32:07] <crutchy> ke?
[16:32:13] <xlefay> No clue why that is SN news, but that's good news nonetheless.
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[16:32:21] <xlefay> It's a -good- TV show ;-)
[16:32:38] <crutchy> prospectacle not havin much luck
[16:32:54] <crutchy> must be drop bears chewing on his tubes
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[16:33:08] <Subsentient> xlefay: We need a standard for what's considered nerdy enough for SN.
[16:33:14] <prospectacle> damn internets
[16:33:15] <crutchy> wb prospectacle
[16:33:18] <xlefay> Subsentient, e-mail voting nerdy enough?
[16:33:19] <prospectacle> anyway, what I was going to say is: Even with all those issues, though I'm glad there was a vote, and it's a step in the right direction. It's also a decent vote-counting system, which is good (i believe it's based on devotee)
[16:33:23] <prospectacle> thanks crutchy
[16:33:28] <crutchy> those damn tacos
[16:33:38] <Subsentient> xlefay: lol
[16:34:08] <xlefay> wb prospectacle ;-)
[16:34:13] <crutchy> we should post TFA by email too
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[16:34:47] <xlefay> Subsentient, hmm.. i"m thinking
[16:35:03] <xlefay> yo FunPika, haven't seen ya in a while, how are you?
[16:35:05] <crutchy> websites are too trendy and mainstream
[16:35:15] <FunPika> I'm fine
[16:35:20] <xlefay> crutchy, screw that, let's just use postal services instead.
[16:35:25] <crutchy> hi funpika
[16:35:35] <prospectacle> I think if the namevote is a disaster it isn't actually that important. Put it this way: 1st: even if people vote backwards they're still picking their top 10, which filters out the crap nobody likes. 2nd: it's a very useful test, which will yield all kinds of valuable hindsights for how to do it next time.
[16:35:52] <crutchy> prospectacle: i agree
[16:36:26] <crutchy> i'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it
[16:36:27] <prospectacle> maybe a lot of people were saying from the start "we shouldn't do it this way, we should do it that way instead", but there's nothing like actually running a vote to make the issues, problems and possible solutions clear.
[16:36:32] <xlefay> prospectacle, you've got good points. That's actually a bonus. Least, there are some good sides to it!
[16:37:13] <xlefay> prospectacle, it isn't like they weren't ignored anyway, oh wait! ;-)
[16:37:23] <prospectacle> lol
[16:37:28] * juggs resumes conciousness
[16:37:31] <crutchy> there should have been redundant committee meetings to record minutes of discussions regarding an intention to in future change the name of the site
[16:37:43] <xlefay> crutchy, oh my.. that's a wonderful idea!
[16:37:52] <crutchy> :-)
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[16:37:56] <prospectacle> Honestly I think the most important thing is how the votes are counted. Everything else will work itself out.
[16:37:57] <xlefay> .. let's have a vote about it ;-)
[16:38:18] <prospectacle> Computer nerds are used to cumbersome user-interfaces, but are also used to refining them over time.
[16:38:21] <crutchy> we'll need to table an order first
[16:38:26] <crutchy> or order a table
[16:38:32] <prospectacle> I second that crutchy
[16:38:35] <crutchy> by post of course
[16:38:37] <prospectacle> tables for everyone
[16:39:00] <xlefay> prospectacle, I hope so.. but I'm still afraid people will in the end, still vote the things they dislike the most in the list. And that doesn't negate those who haven't received the e-mail because they never saw the post regarding the voting checkbox in the first place
[16:39:30] <crutchy> and then move a motion to oder a second table for redundancy, just in case
[16:39:58] <prospectacle> xlefay, there are many problems to be sure. But at least you can only vote for your 10th favourite first by that ranking mistake. You can't vote for your least favourite.
[16:40:14] <prospectacle> the site does need "sticky" posts. i assume they're in the works, or on someone's to-do list
[16:40:35] <crutchy> i hope thewy come with washcloths
[16:40:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, i motion that we schedule a meeting to set up a committee to investigate the best time to continue this meeting.
[16:40:45] <xlefay> prospectacle, I'd rather see an unobtrusive "notification" of sorts on the top.. instead of an article splashed in front of all others all the time
[16:40:59] <prospectacle> yes that would be useful
[16:41:10] <xlefay> e.g. http://getbootstrap.com would be so much better than a story at top all the time
[16:41:41] <crutchy> slashboxes are ok
[16:41:44] <juggs> I think we need a pre-committee committee to decide on how to vote for who will be members of the committee
[16:41:54] <crutchy> yes!
[16:42:05] <prospectacle> juggs, are you sure? we should probably set up a steering committee to make that decision
[16:42:13] <crutchy> before the decision can be made to order a table
[16:42:18] <xlefay> crutchy, the slashbox here still says: " Name submission period ends: Sat Apr 19 7:00 UTC " ..
[16:42:26] <prospectacle> I mean we need to take account of all stakeholders
[16:42:36] <juggs> as long as the steering committee has an oversight committee to regulate it, that sounds fine.
[16:42:39] <xlefay> prospectacle, don't forget a pre-steering committee, you can never be to sure!
[16:42:45] <crutchy> i mean just the idea of using slashboxes
[16:42:47] <prospectacle> xlefay, uh oh that only gives me...
[16:42:48] * prospectacle counts on his fingers
[16:42:52] <crutchy> they're unobtrusive
[16:42:59] <prospectacle> three days to submit a new name!
[16:43:13] <prospectacle> We need a "news" section, ironic as it is.
[16:43:18] <xlefay> crutchy, but they're stupid.. you need to restart Apache in order to make their -new- content available..
[16:43:33] <prospectacle> I mean there is one, but it needs to be up the top and updated
[16:43:35] <xlefay> Yes, "WTF?" is the right reply.
[16:43:36] <crutchy> hmm yes that is rather stupid
[16:44:03] <crutchy> maybe things got a bit sticky
[16:44:04] <xlefay> prospectacle, nexuses are on the planning, as I understand it, there'd be "category.soylentnews.org" and such
[16:44:29] <xlefay> crutchy, it has to do with static page generation.. I suppose that's fine, but really, an Apache restart? ;-)
[16:44:46] <xlefay> Sufficed to say, we still have a long way to go with Slash but I'm glad it's starting to take shape nonetheless
[16:44:58] <prospectacle> that will be a cool feature
[16:45:02] <crutchy> when are we getting command centers? not everyone likes playing as protoss
[16:45:13] <prospectacle> So much improvement in the future for this site.
[16:45:54] <xlefay> prospectacle, actually, I believe the feature already exists but iirc, it's not documented (properly) and it wasn't a simple switch
[16:46:15] <xlefay> ugh, I get too much information on this project, it's hard to keep up with everything lol
[16:46:17] <prospectacle> I took a tour around my girlfriend's parents new house today. It's just a frame right now, but i was told where everything would be, and all the cool features it will have. It's gonna be great. I feel the same way about this site (although it's a bit further along than just a frame).
[16:46:52] <prospectacle> yeah you gotta leave some room in your brain for emergencies.
[16:46:58] <prospectacle> don't remember it all
[16:46:59] <crutchy> brain?
[16:47:04] <xlefay> prospectacle, yeah.. but it does compare appropriately, since "our house" needs a renovation soon
[16:47:19] <xlefay> or rather, we are already renovating in some places I suppose
[16:47:31] <crutchy> my house needs a bulldozer
[16:47:44] <crutchy> and then i would put a roof on the bulldozer and sleep in that
[16:47:44] <xlefay> crutchy, we're talking about Slashcode actually? :P
[16:47:48] <xlefay> least, I thought we were?
[16:47:49] <prospectacle> yeah, you look around, and you see the staff discussions and you can almost imagine how amazing it will be a year or two from now.
[16:48:00] <prospectacle> lol @ crutchy
[16:48:41] <crutchy> sorry xlefay... prospectacle lost me when he mentioned brain
[16:48:58] <xlefay> prospectacle, you don't even see half of it. I'm starting a QA team with MrBluze (that is.. if he is still a staff member :/)
[16:49:02] <xlefay> crutchy, LOL
[16:49:08] <xlefay> That's rough
[16:49:25] <prospectacle> crutchy that was unrelated, I was talking about xlefay not remembering everything. It's best not to remember everything as you need some spae left over for emergencies
[16:49:34] <crutchy> i've posters out to look for it
[16:49:59] <xlefay> hmm.. is that to help me, or to keep it for yourself? :P
[16:50:01] <crutchy> i'm sure i have one... somewhere
[16:50:05] <xlefay> You sure, you want an OOB?
[16:50:19] <xlefay> (object orientated brain)
[16:50:23] <crutchy> is that 3/4 of boob?
[16:50:25] <crutchy> oh
[16:50:38] <xlefay> That's the second definition, yes, it does
[16:50:56] <xlefay> wait
[16:50:58] <xlefay> that's just weird
[16:51:21] * xlefay is rather fond of his brain and likes to keep it :<
[16:51:47] <prospectacle> I'm always like "i'll just have irc open while I do some work, I can tune it out when I need to"
[16:51:48] <prospectacle> 3 hours later...
[16:51:57] <xlefay> prospectacle, wait!
[16:52:06] <crutchy> if i have an oob it might construct multiple instances
[16:52:09] <xlefay> Look back at the time in about 3 hours, it's all good
[16:52:10] <crutchy> that would be scary
[16:52:15] <prospectacle> good thing it's only hobby work and I'm also on holiday
[16:52:17] <xlefay> LOOL
[16:52:18] <xlefay> crutchy++
[16:52:18] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 57
[16:52:23] <xlefay> prospectacle, ah, same here
[16:52:35] <xlefay> holy shit, dude
[16:52:38] <xlefay> 57? ;-)
[16:52:52] <prospectacle> coding is fun when there's no deadline and you choose what to make. Otherwise, it could go either way.
[16:53:10] <crutchy> yeah i wouldn't want to work as a programmer
[16:53:32] <crutchy> i don't think swordfish was an accurate portrayal
[16:53:43] <prospectacle> crutchy, it's alright. Sometimes you don't feel like doing any hobby programs after work. Other times you're all inspired and fired up.
[16:53:58] <prospectacle> crutchy, that's what we want you to think.
[16:54:19] <crutchy> that all programmers get a bj while they're hacking the CIA?
[16:54:21] <prospectacle> all of my job interviews have been exactly as portrayed in that movie
[16:54:33] <crutchy> lol
[16:55:35] <crutchy> !whoup crutchy
[16:55:35] <deadbeef> uppers of crutchy are: xlefay: 15, Subsentient: 12, hax0rz: 7, MrBluze: 2, kobach: 2, FatPhil: 2, SirFinkus: 1, chromas: 1, arti: 1, NCommander: 1, IT_phreak: 1, swisskid: 1, melikamp: 1, gallondr00nk: 1, ragequit: 1, juggs: 1, paulej72: 1, auto_def: 1, mattie_p: 1, prospectacle: 1, Popeidol: 1, aqu4: 1, Cyprus: 1, weilawei: 1, automated_defense: 1, d33tah: 1
[16:55:44] <crutchy> wholly carp!
[16:56:14] <Subsentient> !whoup aqu4
[16:56:14] <deadbeef> uppers of aqu4 are: Subsentient: 3
[16:56:21] <Subsentient> !whoup Subsentient
[16:56:21] <deadbeef> uppers of subsentient are: aqu4: 1, crutchy: 1
[16:56:33] * Subsentient cries
[16:56:41] <crutchy> subsentient++
[16:56:41] <deadbeef> karma - subsentient: 3
[16:57:11] <crutchy> i kinda never took much notice of that
[16:57:23] <crutchy> i thought it was all about bacon :-P
[16:57:27] <crutchy> and coffee
[16:57:33] <prospectacle> !whoup coffee
[16:57:33] <deadbeef> uppers of coffee are: crutchy: 8, Blackmoore: 4, mattie_p: 2, Blackmoore|afk: 1, chimp: 1, prospectacle: 1, xlefay: 1, TK: 1
[16:57:42] <prospectacle> good old coffee
[16:57:42] <prospectacle> !whoup bacon
[16:57:42] <deadbeef> uppers of bacon are: kobach: 63, stderr: 46, crutchy: 24, xlefay: 17, mattie_p: 14, xyzzyyzzyx: 9, Alberto: 8, Blackmoore: 7, pbnjoe: 5, MrBluze: 5, juggs: 5, Marneus68: 3, MrBluze_Cmd: 2, TheMightyBuzzard: 2, Konomi: 2, FoobarBazbot: 2, stdhell: 2, aqu4: 2, martyb: 1, chromas: 1, Mattiep: 1, paulej72_afk: 1, n1: 1, FatPhil: 1, hax0rz: 1, keick: 1, useless: 1, swiss: - 1 more
[16:57:49] <crutchy> lol
[16:58:00] <ar> coffee?
[16:58:04] <crutchy> the coffee and bacon scores in ## are insane
[16:58:04] <prospectacle> where do I learn all these !commands?
[16:58:07] <prospectacle> !help
[16:58:07] <deadbeef> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[16:58:09] <mattie_p> all the real bacon lovers are in another channel
[16:58:11] <deadbeef> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[16:58:13] <prospectacle> ah
[16:59:02] <prospectacle> jsonbot.org has expired
[16:59:09] <crutchy> ?
[16:59:24] <Subsentient> yeah I noticed that prospectacle
[16:59:28] <crutchy> soylentnews.org > jsonbot.org
[16:59:31] <xlefay> !commands
[16:59:31] <deadbeef> JSONBOT has the following commands: action, admin-boot, admin-bootbackend, admin-bootthreaded, admin-callbacks, admin-commands, admin-debugoff, admin-debugon, admin-exceptions, admin-floodcontrol, admin-loadall, admin-makebot, admin-mc, admin-reloadconfig, admin-save, admin-setstatus, admin-stop, admin-upgrade, admin-userhostscache, apro, beledig, bier, bite, broadcast, - 7 more
[16:59:32] <Subsentient> I was trying to get help for a while
[16:59:36] <Subsentient> $commands
[16:59:37] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[16:59:37] <aqu4> burrito, beer, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, ddg, seen, tell, sticky, whoami, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, listchannels8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[16:59:39] <Subsentient> bitchessss
[16:59:53] <crutchy> civ
[16:59:53] <exec> IRCiv: by crutchy
[16:59:56] <crutchy> ftw!
[16:59:56] <xlefay> prospectacle, go PM with deadbeef and !commands and after that, just !more ;-)
[16:59:59] <crutchy> :-P
[17:00:10] <prospectacle> thanks xlefay
[17:00:12] <xlefay> np
[17:00:56] <crutchy> prospectacle. i started a bit of a doc file for the civ thing too
[17:01:07] <xlefay> crutchy, you know, when Alberto's nickname expired (if he doesn't show up in the next coming weeks) you'll automatically own the channel ' # ', right?
[17:01:07] <crutchy> i'll try to keep it up to date
[17:01:30] <crutchy> erm i dunno
[17:01:37] <xlefay> Well you do :P
[17:01:37] <crutchy> didn't even know there was a # channel :-P
[17:01:42] <prospectacle> good work crutchy. Don't forget to start commenting your code, but only if you want other people to contribute, or expect to be maintaining it yourself more than 3 months from now.
[17:01:52] <crutchy> lol
[17:02:00] <crutchy> yeah i gotta improve my code commenting
[17:02:06] <Subsentient> prospectacle: 3 months? Try three days!
[17:02:12] <crutchy> atm its about... zero
[17:02:14] <xlefay> Alberto registered it and he gave you permissions in the channel, and you're the first person with sufficient amount of rights in said channel so you're automatically marked as the successor ;-)
[17:02:28] <crutchy> oh
[17:02:58] <xlefay> I miss hax0rz a bit x'D
[17:03:11] <xlefay> He was great at stirring shit up x'D
[17:03:16] <crutchy> yeah
[17:03:19] <crutchy> trolling is fun
[17:03:23] <crutchy> :-)
[17:03:26] <crutchy> and being trolled
[17:03:48] <crutchy> ncommander is in #
[17:03:51] <prospectacle> without the "here I'm" obviously
[17:03:56] * Teckla puts an "I VOTED" sticker on his e-chest
[17:03:57] <crutchy> feck i didn't even know that channel existed
[17:04:37] <xlefay> crutchy, well, I'm mostly referring that he used bring up a shitstorm of interesting topics in a small amount of time
[17:04:51] <xlefay> quite interesting to see how he did that
[17:05:28] <crutchy> how many nicks did he have?
[17:05:34] <crutchy> he's still about yeah?
[17:05:56] <xlefay> hax0rz?
[17:06:11] <xlefay> no clue, I think we'd have noticed him by now if he was still here
[17:07:10] <crutchy> hmm something has gone awry with arti's stats page
[17:07:23] <crutchy> there was a lot more data a while ago
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[17:09:04] <crutchy> maybe it now collects nicks together somehow; all the alter-egos that haxorz had go into one maybe?
[17:09:06] <prospectacle> I think god is telling me to go to bed
[17:09:12] <crutchy> lol
[17:09:12] <prospectacle> screw him
[17:09:20] <crutchy> its only 1am
[17:09:27] <crutchy> :-P
[17:09:28] <xlefay> god, bed and your last message kinda.. sounded weird ;-)
[17:09:40] <n1> lol
[17:09:40] <prospectacle> lol
[17:09:42] <xlefay> if you connect the dots, that is
[17:09:50] <prospectacle> crutchy, that's the spirit
[17:10:20] <xlefay> n1, you're alive ;-)
[17:10:24] <crutchy> i'm chocked full of msg now.. ready to get back on the pcp/ip and do some php
[17:10:44] <n1> had a very long walk in the rain, to find out the shops are closed :|
[17:11:02] <prospectacle> damn
[17:11:05] <n1> well, 2/3 shops i tried to go to...
[17:11:07] <prospectacle> at least you had a long walk in the rain
[17:11:12] <prospectacle> those are the best
[17:11:26] <n1> would have been better if i had a jacket
[17:11:30] <prospectacle> as long as you can be warm and dry at home when you return.
[17:12:03] <prospectacle> yes, I see that now
[17:12:41] <prospectacle> are they closed cause of easter?
[17:12:52] <n1> could have been worse, just annoying, walking round in circles in the rain trying to find a shop that is open
[17:12:54] <n1> yeah
[17:13:10] <n1> they decided not to bother putting opening hours online, or in the store windows
[17:13:13] <prospectacle> at least the internet is open
[17:13:23] <n1> so according to the places i went, they're still open for another 45minutes from now
[17:13:39] <prospectacle> yeah i hate it when they don't have opening hours. What they just expect us to turn up every 10 minutes in case they're open.
[17:14:06] <n1> seems like it
[17:14:15] <n1> and the day the internet closes, we're in trouble lol
[17:14:17] <juggs> worse is when they publicise opening hours then close early ~grr~
[17:14:25] <prospectacle> A good april fools joke would be for websites to be like "our opening hours are between 9am and 5pm, monday to friday"
[17:14:34] <n1> thats what i was dealing with today, juggs
[17:14:40] <prospectacle> "please call back during business hours"
[17:14:44] <n1> online it said "check in-store"
[17:14:59] <n1> the stores were closed and the normal opening hours were displayed by the door
[17:15:16] <prospectacle> what city are you in?
[17:15:21] <n1> London
[17:15:22] <prospectacle> or town
[17:16:02] <prospectacle> hmm, I guess a little backwater like that you can't expect people to stay open all the time. Not many customers around
[17:16:05] <n1> it's a 4-day weekend for most people
[17:16:23] <prospectacle> yeah I love four day weekends.
[17:16:26] <n1> friday and monday are public/bank holidays for easter
[17:16:32] <n1> but as i'm self-employed
[17:16:35] <n1> it's just a pain in the ass
[17:16:56] <prospectacle> I agree. Is boots open at least?
[17:17:23] <n1> not sure about boots, i don't think so... holland and barrett was though
[17:17:26] <n1> for some odd reason..
[17:18:02] <prospectacle> Well you never know when you might need some placebos
[17:18:13] <juggs> only places open around here are the independent 7-11 type mini shops.
[17:18:22] <n1> but that would require getting the credit card out for bread and milk, and ending up with bread and milk substitues for those who are allergic to everything
[17:19:28] <n1> tesco express is about the best you'll get in london today. the megastores(walmart style) all close at 4pm on a Sunday, even if they're open constantly from monday 7am-saturday 10pm
[17:20:22] <juggs> shops larger than 280sq m have to close on easter sunday by law in the UK
[17:20:45] <n1> that explains it
[17:20:55] <n1> i knew it was legal, because shops dont close if they can make money
[17:20:56] <juggs> and xmas day too
[17:21:09] <prospectacle> I like 24 hour convenience places. There's something comforting about knowing someone's keeping the economic lights on. It's just so, civilised
[17:21:31] <n1> it's very convinient, but at the same time
[17:21:35] <n1> it encourages 24/7 for everything
[17:21:49] <n1> because if one economic light is on, what is the excuse for the rest of us?
[17:21:53] <prospectacle> yes, I'm all for it.
[17:21:58] <n1> who needs a weekend?
[17:22:02] <Subsentient> Me.
[17:22:33] <n1> me too
[17:22:34] <prospectacle> n1, well you're self-employed, so I guess it's different. But don't most people have maximum daily hours?
[17:22:42] <prospectacle> yeah weekends++
[17:22:45] <prospectacle> i mean
[17:22:47] <prospectacle> weekends++
[17:22:47] <deadbeef> karma - weekends: 1
[17:22:49] <n1> you have a maximum you're obligated to do
[17:22:52] <n1> depending on your contract
[17:22:59] <n1> basically, all bets are off these days
[17:23:13] <n1> the UK has a new trend of 'zero hours' contracts
[17:23:26] <prospectacle> hmm, that doesn't sound promising.
[17:23:29] <n1> which means you get an employer, they dont have to give you any work, and can stipulate you're not allowed to work for anyone else
[17:23:55] <n1> so you're tied legally to one employer who has no obligation to give you any work at all, and the one day you say "oh i can't make it because x y z" is the last day you get a call
[17:23:55] <prospectacle> do they have to pay a retainer?
[17:24:04] <n1> not that i'm aware of, no
[17:24:08] <prospectacle> wow
[17:24:20] <Subsentient> Go capitalism, right?
[17:24:26] <prospectacle> in france they just passed a law making it illegal to expect anyone to read a work email out of work hours
[17:24:35] <n1> indeed they did, prospectacle
[17:24:36] <prospectacle> or text message
[17:24:51] <n1> the UK is squeezing the small employer as much as they can
[17:25:07] <n1> the zero hours can benefit small employers, but is of no security to the employee
[17:25:09] <prospectacle> in aus i think there's a minimum shift of 3 hours. If you pay someone for 1 minute you have to pay them for 3 hours.
[17:25:14] <prospectacle> I could have that wrong, but it's something like that.
[17:25:15] <Subsentient> Midget squeezing. Fun.
[17:25:22] <n1> but new laws mean an employer has to offer a pension to all employees by default
[17:25:31] <n1> and are not allowed to make them aware they can opt-out of the pension
[17:26:10] <n1> so a small business needs to go into the finance industry to find a way of offering a pension to their employees, which if you're a small business, is not going to be very good as well as the extra cost of it
[17:26:21] <juggs> those zero hour contracts are evil. I swear they were a government initiative to get people off the official count of 'unemployed' people. So now we have people who are 'employed' working zero hours - sure they no longer qualify for unemployment or jobseeker's allowances, so those numbers look better. Instead they end up claiming income support and tax credit. Statistics and damn lies.
[17:26:35] <n1> thats about the sum of it, juggs
[17:26:39] <prospectacle> sounds about right
[17:26:54] <n1> it's just an evolution of the current system
[17:26:56] <prospectacle> screwing with the numbers is one of government's favourite pastimes
[17:27:05] <n1> before employers could pay £6.30 hourly late
[17:27:07] <n1> rate*
[17:27:17] <n1> and know the government will pick up the rest by providing social housing
[17:27:24] <prospectacle> right up there with calling programs by ironically misleading names
[17:27:29] <n1> and other allowances and benefits for low paid people
[17:27:57] <Subsentient> If you need food stamps and you're working a job, that's not fair.
[17:28:12] <Landon> bzzt
[17:28:12] <n1> thats how it works
[17:28:16] <Landon> who hit the reset on the daily digests?
[17:28:23] <n1> especially in London
[17:28:33] <Subsentient> n1: It's not fair nonetheless.
[17:28:46] <Subsentient> Making the excuse that's just how it is for a corrupt system is a bad idea.
[17:28:48] <n1> I don't disagree, and i spend much time working out how to escape this system
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[17:29:02] <Subsentient> kobach: ohai
[17:29:04] <n1> i couldn't agree more
[17:29:12] <prospectacle> n1 come to australia
[17:29:15] <prospectacle> or go to france
[17:29:25] <n1> prospectacle, i spent almost a year in Melbourne
[17:29:29] <n1> i wish i could have stayed
[17:29:47] <Subsentient> Or move to Antarctica.
[17:30:05] <prospectacle> yes all the penguin you can eat
[17:30:07] <n1> i might be going to france next month for a day trip though :D
[17:30:23] <Subsentient> Can you think of a better place for a Linux user?
[17:30:31] <n1> LOL
[17:30:47] <prospectacle> cool. You can work in any eu country though, right?
[17:30:59] <n1> thats the theory
[17:31:26] <n1> but being english and ignorant, language presents a problem.
[17:31:40] <Subsentient> Especially the ignorant
[17:31:56] <n1> i tend to think it's implied with english, but i was just making sure,.
[17:32:01] <prospectacle> Ah, well, I can see that. I aim to learn a new language this year but I know it's not easy
[17:32:11] <prospectacle> It is free though, what with youtube and all
[17:32:12] <n1> i've tried before, but i find as with most things
[17:32:18] <n1> without a practical application, i can't retain it
[17:32:31] * Subsentient is popping backne
[17:33:05] <prospectacle> n1, my intended approach this time is just to learn by rote. Find some things to listen to/watch over and over again. I figure that's how babies learn it, and I'm almost as smart as a baby
[17:33:25] <prospectacle> but I'll let you know if it works
[17:33:33] <n1> thats a good idea
[17:33:37] <n1> yeah, i'd be interested to know
[17:33:47] <n1> have you chosen the language?
[17:34:04] <prospectacle> german
[17:34:12] <n1> any reason for that decision?
[17:34:15] <prospectacle> shouldn't be too hard, it's similar to english.
[17:34:17] <Subsentient> Heil!
[17:34:41] <juggs> I'm trying to learn German at the moment. I have some family there and the employment prospects are way better than the uk.
[17:34:42] * Subsentient stops acting weird and slinks off
[17:34:48] <prospectacle> Actually yeah it's very strategic. My and my gf want to do a european tour, and we're splitting up the languages we'll need.
[17:35:13] <n1> sounds like a good plan
[17:35:24] <n1> my next attempt will be spanish i think
[17:35:25] <prospectacle> She already speaks way more than me, but we'll learn a new one each for the trip. And I already speak a bit of english, so that should fill in the gaps in most places in eu, from what I've heard
[17:35:53] <n1> i know i can learn french, as i spent some time in france when i was a kid, and picked a bit up then
[17:35:57] <prospectacle> my grandma went to europe last year and reckons everyone spoke english, but she was probably mostly in tourist towns
[17:36:13] <juggs> The French can be a little stubborn about speaking English - even in the major touristy bits :D
[17:36:26] <n1> on my walk to the shop, a spanish guy stopped me and asked for directions - in english
[17:36:33] <prospectacle> when I went to rome I had intended to learn italian, but i kept putting it off and it turns out enough people know enough english that you don't need it
[17:36:39] <prospectacle> I felt very rude, expecting everyone to speak my language.
[17:36:47] <n1> i dont think he understood me, same as when i was in rural USA
[17:36:53] <n1> because i 'speak too fast' or something
[17:37:05] <xlefay> prospectacle, in Holland (the netherlands, where I live for instance) English is taught at every school quite early on, I'm sure that counts for other countries in Europe as well
[17:37:08] <Subsentient> n1: You were in the South? Then yes.
[17:37:15] <n1> WV, Subsentient
[17:37:20] <Subsentient> WV?
[17:37:25] <xlefay> So, English is often spoken here, and again, guessing in many other countries as well
[17:37:25] <n1> West Virginia
[17:37:30] <Subsentient> n1: ah.
[17:37:44] <n1> the dutch are exceptional with english
[17:37:48] <prospectacle> xlefay, that's what I was hoping.
[17:38:06] <n1> in my (limited) experience, most dutch people speak english better than native speakers
[17:38:18] <prospectacle> Probably one more generation before anyone pretends that english isn't going to be the one language to rule them all.
[17:38:58] <n1> i think it's great, how widely used english is... when i was travelling, in Hong Kong in a bar with chatting and drinking with people from all corners of the globe
[17:39:02] <prospectacle> after that speaking the other languages will just be for showing your heritage, not for business, or education, or publishing.
[17:39:05] <n1> english was the common language
[17:39:08] <n1> which was awesome for me lol
[17:39:37] <prospectacle> it is awesome, but it makes us lazy
[17:39:53] <n1> i agree
[17:39:59] <n1> it's a problem, because we can get away with it
[17:40:04] <prospectacle> I feel mean going to other countries and speaking to them in english, even though some of them probably appreciate the chance to practice
[17:40:08] <n1> it's very hard to get the motivation to improve
[17:40:18] <n1> me too
[17:40:39] <prospectacle> like in new zealand, they just look at you funny
[17:41:05] <Subsentient> Perhaps we should have had UTF-8 URLs back in the olden days?
[17:41:15] <Subsentient> Then perhaps this issue would have been reduced
[17:41:25] <Subsentient> I think the Internet is a strong driver to focus on English
[17:41:26] <n1> sometimes you cant win - in the caribbean where the local/creole languages are often not written as such and often rely on hand gestures, and different dialects within relatively small areas
[17:42:07] <Subsentient> ahh
[17:42:08] <n1> i remember watching a TED talk about language, and the speaker was describing how he learned some chinese, but was laughed at when he used it
[17:42:13] <prospectacle> subsentient, true, it definitely adds to it.
[17:42:17] <n1> because was taught by a woman, so he spoke chinese like a woman
[17:42:21] <prospectacle> lol
[17:42:33] <prospectacle> that's why I learn all my chinese from jackie chan movies
[17:42:33] <Subsentient> LOL
[17:43:11] <prospectacle> I think I must be doing the gestures wrong, though.
[17:43:17] <n1> it was quite an interesting talk, he used a chinese 'translator' at the start, and sat with his legs up in traditional indian dress on a chair
[17:43:27] <n1> and about halfway through, he actually spoke with a regional british accent
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[17:50:12] <Subsentient> Damn
[17:50:20] <Subsentient> don't put pirate bay links in the articles
[17:50:23] <Subsentient> what the hell people
[17:50:39] <n1> ...
[17:50:53] * Subsentient is dead serious
[17:50:59] <Subsentient> It's not good for the site
[17:51:02] <n1> I agree
[17:51:08] <Subsentient> and it could get us in legal trouble if we keep doing it
[17:51:10] * juggs nods
[17:51:11] <n1> i just saw what you're tlaking about
[17:51:15] <n1> i'll remove it now
[17:51:20] <Subsentient> thanks
[17:51:50] * Subsentient is really surprised you all agree, he was expecting to be shamed, mocked, and insulted\
[17:52:28] <prospectacle> Yeah it's a headache the site doesn't need right now
[17:52:43] <n1> it will update when the database does its magic
[17:52:56] * Subsentient kinda wants to be mad that he had to expect that in the first place
[17:53:09] <prospectacle> one day when it's got a big legal defense fund, it can defend such revolutionary actions as hyperlinking to other websites that it may or may not agree with.
[17:53:20] <n1> i also removed the inflammatory 'douche move' part of the prior statement
[17:53:34] <Subsentient> n1: no that part can stay lol
[17:54:04] <n1> it could, but i don't think it should
[17:54:53] <n1> we can decide for ourselves if it's a douche move or not
[17:55:02] * Subsentient thinks it was a douche move
[17:55:04] <n1> and even if it is, i dont think amazon is a douche for mpurchasing it
[17:55:07] <n1> -m
[17:55:15] <n1> the owners are a douche move for selling an exclusive licence
[17:55:22] <n1> are/made the
[17:55:27] <Subsentient> They're both douches.
[17:55:32] <prospectacle> "douch more" or not, exclusive streaming rights sure are annoying. In australia if you want to pay to watch game of thrones new season, you have to give money to rupert murdoch
[17:55:41] <n1> well, feel free to comment about it ;)
[17:56:02] <prospectacle> s/"douch more"/"douche move"/
[17:56:02] <SedBot> <prospectacle> "douche move" or not, exclusive streaming rights sure are annoying. In australia if you want to pay to watch game of thrones new season, you have to give money to rupert murdoch
[17:56:48] <Subsentient> Stop watching Game of Thrones! Those modern shows are all degenerate and encourage a vacuous, less virtuous life!
[17:56:53] <Subsentient> Get off my lawn!
[17:56:55] <n1> lol
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[17:57:18] * Subsentient notes he actually believes that
[17:57:32] <n1> they're all great distractions
[17:57:52] <Subsentient> Yeah why do anything worthwhile when you can do nothing and watch other people do something worthwhile
[17:58:10] <prospectacle> I wouldn't say they encourage the lifestyle they portray. They make it look violent and dirty and dangerous and dastardly
[17:58:17] <n1> labour for 8-12 hours a day, sit passively infront of the television for 4 or 5, sleep for 8 or so
[17:58:31] <prospectacle> it's entertaining and interesting
[17:59:08] <prospectacle> I mean it's little different from historical fiction. It's party based on the war of the roses. They just add dragons and stuff for fun.
[17:59:25] <Subsentient> prospectacle: what's entertaining and interesting is stuff like adding parallel service launching to Epoch, but I didn't do that because I could sit around and derp it.
[17:59:41] <n1> it can be entertaining, interesting and also a good distraction - most people are certainly not thinking about it in historical contexts, or as a social commentary on the world we live in
[17:59:42] <Subsentient> I didn't want to add it before because I still suspect it will be an irritating task
[17:59:44] <Subsentient> but I might do it yet
[18:00:07] <Subsentient> n1: I watched American Hustle and nearly vomited
[18:00:16] <prospectacle> subsentient, I agree it's bad to spent all your time watching tv. But there's a time for hearing other people's stories and a time for living your own.
[18:00:28] <Subsentient> It portrays the 70s as if they were every bit as degenerate as today is.
[18:00:37] <n1> I havn't heard of that
[18:01:16] <Subsentient> I wanted to give that movie a signed number of stars
[18:01:23] <prospectacle> n1, probably not, but little ideas seep in, like how different the level (and type) of law and order is, how political power works under that kind of a system compared to our one, etc.
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[18:02:19] <n1> i think the little ideas that seep in, are the futility of your position as you are not the person in power and are never destined to be
[18:02:55] <prospectacle> hmm, could be. I guess different people take different things from it.
[18:03:50] <n1> it's the powers that be that pass the rules down to us, and we have to accept them, and we should because these are institutions our parents lived under, so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for us... We can make suggestions when we are given the opportunity, but the weight put on those suggestions as 'people' is extremely limited, we must understand "they" know better.
[18:05:00] <prospectacle> n1, that's funny. I can see where that's coming from but I never saw that angle. I
[18:05:09] <n1> but please feel free to lay your life down for the institutions that know what is best for you, and do things apparently in your interest, for the greater glory of the geographic region in which you are born
[18:05:25] <prospectacle> I've always enjoyed it because it makes me think "huh, and I think my problems are bad"
[18:05:46] <n1> i'll be honest, i havnt actually ever watched Game of Thrones, but thats the impression I get from it, after hearing others talk about it
[18:06:17] <n1> the futility of the situation we're in, even though it is notably better from generations before us
[18:06:20] <n1> doesnt make for good viewing
[18:06:21] <prospectacle> oh well fair enough. You might see more to it if you watch it, but life is short, you've probably got better things to do.
[18:06:55] <n1> there's always someone else worse off, somewhere in the world, right now, don't need to look at television drama for that.
[18:07:01] <juggs> Some git stole my tv aerial cable about 6 months back - presumably for the scrap copper value. A tad annoying as being a 3 storey building it's quite pricey to get a new one installed (requires cherry picker etc.).
[18:07:58] <n1> i have a television on my desk, i can't recall the last time i watched it
[18:08:14] <prospectacle> n1, true, most fiction (all fiction) isn't necessary, but it can be enlightening and make you think about things in new ways
[18:08:20] <n1> all i remember was, i was watching some news regarding protests in china
[18:08:32] <n1> prospectacle, i do agree
[18:08:51] <n1> i watch stuff, but most of what i see is just total trash, there's no message, there's nothing to think about
[18:08:53] <prospectacle> juggs, that sucks.
[18:09:00] <n1> "this is funny." ... "that was sad."
[18:09:03] <n1> "good prevails in the end."
[18:09:31] <prospectacle> n1, watch hbo dramas
[18:09:34] <prospectacle> and breaking bad
[18:09:42] <n1> HBO does some great stuff
[18:10:09] <prospectacle> everything else is a bit iffy, or complete crap.
[18:10:12] <prospectacle> well drama wise, anyway
[18:10:15] <n1> Breaking Bad was something i'd been meaning to get into, i remember being told about it when the pilot/first ep came out for it.
[18:10:35] <n1> but now i'm putt off by being told by all media and everyone how awesome it is.
[18:10:41] <prospectacle> you're in an enviable position of never having to wait for the next episode to come out
[18:10:56] <n1> i do that with most shows, don't watch until it's over
[18:11:03] <n1> and then usually stop a couple of episodes before the end
[18:11:06] <prospectacle> but yeah, try not to think about the hype when you watch it, if you watch it, just give it an episode or two and decide if you might enjoy it
[18:11:32] <prospectacle> i wish I'd stopped watching lost a whole season or two before the end
[18:11:38] <kobach> lol
[18:11:41] <n1> i dont like the forced endings and closure they put in most shows, even if they leave some elements open
[18:11:54] <n1> i accept some people want that, so i find it easier just to not watch the last episodes
[18:12:12] <juggs> prospectacle, it does kinda suck, but actually I can honestly say I haven't missed the tv in the 6 months since.
[18:12:28] <kobach> what is tv
[18:12:39] <kobach> oh that thing you hook your computer up to
[18:12:46] <prospectacle> I watch broadcast tv less and less these days, as there's a lot more on demand on catch-up sites and such
[18:12:47] <kobach> and watch videos on
[18:12:53] <n1> the only show i'm waiting for to come back is falling skies... everything else has become blah, even shows i enjoyed at first i can't deal with anymore
[18:13:22] <n1> suits and newsroom being examples of after season 1, they just forced you to not watch it by how crap it was.
[18:14:48] <prospectacle> i like that streaming services are starting to comission original shows, like hulu, netflix, amazon, and soon yahoo apparently
[18:15:08] <prospectacle> it means we're getting closer and closer to a full on-demand system.
[18:15:18] <n1> i'm looking forward to when those are decent quality, but then it comes to am i going to have to subscribe to all services
[18:15:27] <n1> because each one of those streaming services has one show i like
[18:15:37] <kobach> thats their idea
[18:15:38] <kobach> :p
[18:15:50] <prospectacle> yeah that's annoying. hulu has a lot of free stuff though, even some of their originals are free
[18:16:07] <juggs> nothing is ever free
[18:16:15] <prospectacle> maybe that will catch on, freemium tv
[18:16:23] <prospectacle> juggs, well you don't pay money for it
[18:16:51] <n1> i found netflix has just enough good stuff to last you until the free-trial runs out
[18:17:25] <prospectacle> lol, sounds like a good reason to get the free trial
[18:17:32] <prospectacle> is it easy to cancel after that?
[18:17:39] <n1> yeah
[18:17:51] <n1> i dont think you even have to give them payment details before the trial
[18:17:54] * juggs evaporates
[18:18:10] <prospectacle> nice
[18:18:11] <n1> it was a while ago, and your local T&C's may be different from the UK
[18:18:24] * prospectacle goes to investigate further
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[18:18:29] <n1> it's worth a look
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[18:19:21] <prospectacle> oh man, it's almost half past 2 in the am. my brain is melting a little bit. I'd better go give it a rest for a while.
[18:19:39] <prospectacle> take care
[18:19:40] <n1> sounds like that might be a smart move
[18:19:42] <n1> laters, prospectacle
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[19:07:36] <xlefay> n1, that's true, netflix's library is per country
[19:08:09] <xlefay> e.g. when netflix finally came here (I already had an account via my VPN), it's library sucked so I just kept using my VPN to appear as if I was in the USA
[19:08:55] <n1> doesn't surprise me at all, its a problem when the US gets such services which are sometimes quite good, it gets hyped as a result
[19:09:04] <n1> by the time it reaches the international market though....
[19:09:16] <xlefay> yeah but that's also related to licensing of materials
[19:09:24] <NCommander> n1, buy a VPN in the United States, then connect through it
[19:09:24] <n1> oh quite
[19:09:32] <n1> NCommander, i have one now :)
[19:09:32] <NCommander> Netflix uses GeoIP to determine library
[19:09:35] <xlefay> e.g. Netflix pays a boatload of fees to be allowed to show one episode
[19:09:41] <NCommander> Actually, this is why I use Amazon Prime
[19:09:50] <NCommander> As long as I have a US credit card on the account, it works *everywhere*
[19:09:58] <n1> i got it mainly due to the ever growing internet blacklists in the UK
[19:09:58] <xlefay> NCommander, not even needed..
[19:10:04] <n1> which will soon enough turn to whitelists
[19:10:16] <xlefay> n1, if you already have an account, you can just use it to sign in @ US
[19:10:29] <xlefay> They'll just assume your traveling and such
[19:10:40] <n1> i dont think my account is active anymore, but i might have a look
[19:10:54] <xlefay> When I signed up for Netflix (which was via my VPN); all I had to do is enter some US zip code and voila
[19:11:08] <xlefay> n1, oh it still exists, you can just sign in and re-activate whenever you like
[19:11:22] <xlefay> NCommander, now that you're here.. is that one message about the vote ever going to get updated?
[19:12:00] <NCommander> xlefay, its getting updated right now
[19:12:08] <xlefay> Great
[19:12:26] <NCommander> xlefay, i didn't leave super clear instructions on how to do production deployment since we went to full loadbalancing
[19:12:38] <NCommander> so audioguy wanted to doublecheck w/ me before the site exploded
[19:12:48] <xlefay> Well, it makes sense, that you have to do it via boron right?
[19:12:52] <xlefay> aah ok, makes sense
[19:13:16] <NCommander> xlefay, yeah. I'm suffering from a serious case of familyitus, and sleep deperivation
[19:13:23] * NCommander is pretty much useless to the world at the moment
[19:13:47] <xlefay> 'familyitus'? Not sure if that means someone in your family is ill or if you're just being bugged by said family
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[19:15:29] <NCommander> The later
[19:15:36] <xlefay> ah k
[19:15:40] <juggler> ASSPISS
[19:15:52] <xlefay> eh I see
[19:15:54] <n1> xlefay, does netflix automatically send you to its region specific site?
[19:16:14] <xlefay> n1, if you are connected from the US, you'll get to the US netflix
[19:16:20] <xlefay> least.. last I used netflix it did
[19:16:31] <xlefay> so it just does geoip locating like NC mentioned
[19:16:38] <n1> i'm connected from switzerland, and going to netflix.com
[19:16:42] <n1> seems to be the US site
[19:16:57] <n1> offering the $7.99/pm
[19:16:59] <xlefay> They might have stopped doing that though, I discontinued my subscription a while ago
[19:17:17] <xlefay> n1, hmm, then the swiss get to use netflix's US site
[19:17:31] <n1> seems like it
[19:17:34] <n1> i went to netflix.co.uk
[19:17:41] <n1> and it forwarded me to: http://www.netflix.com
[19:17:49] <xlefay> When I used to go to netflix from my normal IP it'd say "Netflix isn't available" till a few months later.. guess I did save 2!! full bucks a month cause I paid in dollars ;-)
[19:18:02] <xlefay> yeah they do that
[19:20:41] <n1> it seemed to figure it out now, after some refreshes it's decided im in europe
[19:20:46] <n1> so it's now 7.99 euros
[19:20:57] <kobach> owned
[19:21:05] <kobach> unless US Price has gone up
[19:21:20] <n1> seems they're on 7.99
[19:21:27] <n1> which means it's slightly cheaper in the US
[19:21:34] <n1> but as xlefay has noted, you get more content
[19:21:47] <kobach> yea but we're also poorer
[19:21:47] <xlefay> n1, not really, $8 vs. 7.99 euro, dollar is still cheaper
[19:22:07] <xlefay> e.g. my credit card would say I had paid (about) 6 euros (when paying in dollars)
[19:22:17] <n1> thats what i said, slightly cheaper in the US
[19:22:22] <xlefay> ugh, I misread
[19:22:24] <xlefay> <-- blind & tired
[19:22:25] <xlefay> sorry
[19:22:27] <kobach> pffft
[19:22:28] <kobach> dutch
[19:22:51] <n1> in the UK it seems to be £5.99
[19:22:58] <NCommander> Oh you know what
[19:23:01] <NCommander> fuck this shit
[19:23:05] <xlefay> I blame languages, something must've been lost in the translation
[19:23:10] <n1> which makes it $10
[19:23:14] <NCommander> My uncle getting in early, and since my mom is not ready yet
[19:23:22] <NCommander> I've got play fucking tour guide or just stall or
[19:23:28] <NCommander> Fuck. This. Shit.
[19:23:40] <kobach> "getting in"?
[19:23:43] <NCommander> By train
[19:23:47] <kobach> oh
[19:23:51] <NCommander> He's coming down from Westchester
[19:24:00] <n1> when the family are in town, i'm all of a sudden really really busy, especially on Sundays.
[19:24:10] <kobach> ^
[19:24:14] <NCommander> I'll be in Toronto tomorrow.
[19:24:19] <NCommander> have to get away from this
[19:24:23] <kobach> problem solved
[19:24:24] <xlefay> I'm generally "OOT" (out of town) ;-)
[19:24:50] <xlefay> Family: "Will you be home at <date>?" | Me: "Nope"
[19:24:59] <n1> me and a good friend are planning on a day trip to france, to avoid going to his sisters wedding.
[19:25:30] <NCommander> n1, .... go somewhere more interesting. I had a blast in iraq the weekend I spent there :-)
[19:25:40] <xlefay> Iraq?
[19:25:50] <NCommander> Yes, its a country in the middle east :-)
[19:25:52] <xlefay> Eh, isn't it still raining bombs there?
[19:25:56] <xlefay> No shit sherlock
[19:26:00] <n1> hence the blast...
[19:26:01] <NCommander> as I said, I had a blast
[19:26:05] * NCommander ducks
[19:26:15] <NCommander> Actually, I rather enjoyed myself, and never felt unsafe
[19:26:22] <NCommander> Which was different than what happened in Cairo
[19:26:28] <n1> i nearly did end up working in Iraq, which i still kind of regret not pushing for
[19:26:33] * NCommander went Iraq->Eygpt, and landed on the day the Cairo Revolution broke out
[19:26:33] <xlefay> I might add, that in particularly, could have been interpreted in several ways.
[19:27:05] <n1> the things that you consider when money is involved ¬_¬
[19:27:20] <xlefay> NCommander, I haven't gotten a clue what that is (I'm guessing a civil war of sorts..) but it sounds bad. Glad you survived!
[19:27:44] <n1> france however, between the 3 of us that are going.. is going to cost $40 each in transport
[19:28:06] <xlefay> The only downside of France.. well you know
[19:28:18] <kobach> rofl
[19:28:19] <exec> Mistrust first impulses; they are always right.
[19:28:30] <xlefay> LOL
[19:28:50] <xlefay> rofl
[19:28:51] <exec> Advancement in position.
[19:29:01] <n1> depending on circumstances, might make it a weekend including a detour via belgium and netherlands
[19:29:07] <n1> as we're going to be quite close to the belgian border
[19:29:17] <xlefay> s/nether/The Nether/
[19:29:26] <xlefay> That sounds fun ;)
[19:29:40] <n1> it is The Netherlands
[19:29:44] <n1> but it's not The Ukraine!
[19:29:59] <NCommander> xlefay, Cairo Revolution started the day I landed
[19:29:59] <xlefay> n1, I suppose it could be.. but it'd be a bloody mess
[19:30:19] <n1> heh
[19:30:30] <xlefay> NCommander, yes, I read that. And as I replied, I haven't got a clue what that is (although, assuming, a civil war of sorts) and I'm glad that you survived ;-)
[19:30:35] <n1> that must have been an interesting time
[19:31:04] <xlefay> n1, I just prefer my oceans high, not low
[19:31:16] <kobach> surprising
[19:31:20] <kobach> you think youd prefer them low
[19:31:26] <kobach> then you wouldnt need so many levees
[19:31:36] <kobach> XD
[19:31:38] <xlefay> kobach, in fairness, it's quite beautiful to be up on the dunes and looking around
[19:31:58] <kobach> xlefay lives on arrakis
[19:32:01] <xlefay> it might be one of the most beautiful places to be
[19:32:01] <NCommander> n1, it was
[19:32:21] <n1> managed to avoid being caught up in it for the most part?
[19:32:36] <NCommander> n1, yeah, but I got an awesome picture out of it
[19:32:42] <xlefay> kobach, ;-)
[19:32:49] <NCommander> n1, https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net
[19:32:54] <kobach> lol
[19:33:19] <n1> lol nice
[19:33:49] <NCommander> I had an option of a horse or a camel
[19:34:06] <NCommander> I was sorely tempted to take the horse so I can say I road through a desert on a horse with no name
[19:34:10] <n1> are the pyramids actually interesting or amazing to look at, i've always thought they werent that impressive to behold from pictures and film.
[19:34:13] <n1> haha
[19:34:32] <NCommander> n1, they are in person
[19:34:38] <NCommander> Its a lot like stonehedge
[19:34:44] <NCommander> Unimpressive in film, awesome in RL
[19:34:47] <n1> i'd have taken the horse on the basis that being near camels in tunisia was enough
[19:34:58] <NCommander> I need to go
[19:35:02] <NCommander> Sorry, catch you later
[19:35:07] <xlefay> Good luck.
[19:35:08] <n1> laters
[19:40:50] <n1> i need someone to make me dinner >:
[19:41:57] <kobach> i think everyone should go tornado chasing once in their life
[19:42:36] <xlefay> "Here lies <name> - the fool who fulfilled kobach's thought."
[19:42:39] <n1> not sure about that, i had a hurricane come right by without asking, didn't give me encouragement to go out hunting for similar events.
[19:43:03] <kobach> lol
[19:43:10] <kobach> come by without asking?
[19:43:16] <kobach> you can see them weeks in advance
[19:43:23] <kobach> this isn 1910
[19:43:34] <n1> and i was on a caribbean island off of south america
[19:43:40] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[19:43:42] <xlefay> yeah I thought that was pretty inconsiderate of said hurricane
[19:43:57] <xlefay> s/hurricane/tornado/
[19:43:57] <SedBot> <xlefay> yeah I thought that was pretty inconsiderate of said tornado
[19:44:10] <kobach> xlefay: pick one
[19:44:16] <xlefay> er, hurricane
[19:44:22] <n1> got a "a hurricane is expected to hit within 24 hours" emergency SMS about 3 hours before it did
[19:44:26] <xlefay> you mentioned tornado, n1 mentioned hurricane
[19:44:29] <xlefay> x'D
[19:44:48] <kobach> ive been in a couple hurricanes
[19:44:50] <kobach> theyre boring
[19:45:11] <kobach> its just a big shitass storm
[19:45:14] <xlefay> I suppose they are until they want to play "whack the human" with you
[19:45:16] <n1> it was boring, being without power for 36 hours, it took nearly 24 hours for it to pass by
[19:45:39] <kobach> their advantage is they dont come out of fucking nowhere
[19:46:10] <n1> advanced warning doesn't help when it's not accurate, knew the evening before about barbados being hit by it
[19:46:17] <n1> but it's not like you can just up and leave a tiny caribbean island
[19:46:55] <kobach> lol
[19:47:18] <n1> it formed on oct 29th and landed oct 31st
[19:47:20] <kobach> luckily for vacations you can check the weather before you go
[19:47:34] <n1> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Tomas
[19:47:37] <kobach> "this here might do somthing"
[19:47:38] <n1> http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:48:34] <n1> if you were in the US you'd have plenty of time to prepare for it to eventually fade away before it got there... but if you're earlier in the chain, you dont get so much of a warning
[19:49:08] <kobach> not much more annoying than a shitload of wind and rain
[19:49:28] <n1> well not much, except the bridges, roads, water, electricity
[19:49:31] <n1> and the landslides
[19:49:44] <kobach> yea but that comes with it
[19:49:59] <n1> indeed, but a 'shitload of wind and rain' is normal
[19:50:12] <n1> losing the bridges that connect the island and towns being without water for weeks, is not
[19:50:21] <kobach> it is with a shitload of wind and rain
[19:50:39] <n1> yeah, but it's on a different scale from the 'normal' shitload of wind and rain you get used to in those places
[19:50:45] <kobach> lol
[19:51:35] <n1> being that i was there, and have spent a lot of time in the area
[19:51:42] <n1> i know the results of that 'wind and rain' were not normal
[19:52:08] <n1> im not saying the event is unexpected or abnormal in the circumstance, but it was a long way from just being a bit of bad weather
[19:53:21] <kobach> lol
[19:53:57] <n1> 588million in damage, half the gdp for the country.
[19:54:19] <kobach> you think theyd build it better since theyre constantly hit by the shit
[19:54:37] <n1> you'd think so
[19:54:42] <n1> but lowest bidder always wins
[19:54:46] <kobach> lol
[19:54:59] <n1> and of course, it helps if you have friends in government
[19:55:04] <n1> or are one of the 'families' that own the island
[19:55:19] <kobach> yup
[19:55:20] <kobach> rofl
[19:55:21] <exec> QOTD:
[19:55:21] <exec> Flash! Flash! I love you! ...but we only have fourteen hours to
[19:55:21] <exec> save the earth!
[19:55:27] <n1> spend all that money on roads, or buy a nice house in Miami you can use when things go bad
[19:56:33] <n1> I heard recently, there was a US government agent on a flight out of the country, and had to tell the deputy police commissioner(or similar) of the country that he was not welcome in the US
[19:57:14] <kobach> nobody is welcome in the us
[19:57:18] <n1> which was a more diplomatic way of doing it, than rejecting him on arrival... a polite word that it's probably better you get off the plane now.
[19:58:03] <n1> the theory as i understand it was, it's better for everyone for unwanted corrupt to be informally refused, rather than the diplomatic blah that would occur
[19:58:46] <n1> if you refuse entry to someone who is supposed to be of good standing, as they're running the police of a nation
[19:58:54] <n1> especially when that nation is 'democratic'
[20:00:24] <kobach> lol
[20:00:45] <n1> it didnt go down great when a government minister tried to enter the US and got found with a suitcase full of cash
[20:01:18] <kobach> rofl
[20:01:18] <exec> A subversive is anyone who can out-argue their government.
[20:01:39] <n1> the government is smart though, for a while they were promising the police wern't shooting anyone
[20:01:44] <n1> which was very true
[20:01:52] <n1> they had IDF advisors that were doing the shooting
[20:02:29] <kobach> haha
[20:03:16] <n1> exec, apparently you can be excused for supporting bad laws in government because "there's a lot to read, he didn't know that was in there."
[20:03:32] <n1> in regard to a UK politician being shocked to find out his legal expenses were not covered, even after found innocent
[20:03:38] <n1> thanks to legislation he supported
[20:04:30] <n1> but as he was 'deputy speaker' for the commons, how could he be expected to read all the legislation he was supporting?
[20:04:43] <n1> he had a lot of work to do.
[20:08:30] <n1> the government wins >:
[20:11:13] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[20:11:21] <janrinok> hi
[20:11:27] <n1> hey janrinok
[20:11:43] <kobach> hi
[20:12:16] <janrinok> hi kobach
[20:12:25] <janrinok> hi again n1
[20:13:00] <janrinok> I was lurking during the conversation above - I also had a few chuckles to myself.
[20:13:20] <n1> i need a good rant sometimes :P
[20:13:39] <janrinok> lol
[20:14:46] <xlefay> n1, ehm, exec is a bot ;)
[20:14:53] <arti> lol
[20:14:57] <n1> how many damn bots are there
[20:15:00] <xlefay> rofl
[20:15:01] <exec> What we wish, that we readily believe.
[20:15:01] <exec> -- Demosthenes
[20:15:01] <arti> you don't want to know
[20:15:06] <xlefay> no, you really don't
[20:15:14] <arti> we're keeping the population steady
[20:15:16] <janrinok> lol
[20:15:25] <xlefay> I'm amused though
[20:15:37] <janrinok> n1 - they're breeding bots in sys/dev
[20:15:47] <arti> it's warm, full of food... how could they not
[20:15:53] <arti> its when they network that we get worried
[20:16:07] <n1> when they start breeding without human interaction
[20:16:13] <xlefay> Or write voting related stuff ;-)
[20:16:18] <n1> lol
[20:16:19] <xlefay> n1, holy
[20:16:26] <xlefay> How did you know that?
[20:16:33] <janrinok> I hope that you are not accusing members of sys/dev from having sexual relations with bots....!
[20:16:42] <xlefay> Wait what..
[20:16:45] <n1> HAHAH
[20:16:46] <xlefay> You guys know us too well.
[20:17:04] <arti> the hardest part is finding the right port?
[20:17:09] <n1> just proud of their work, janrinok
[20:17:13] <arti> or would it be after finding the right port
[20:17:17] <xlefay> LOL
[20:17:25] <xlefay> arti++
[20:17:25] <deadbeef> karma - arti: 40
[20:17:30] <arti> http://www.zerohedge.com
[20:17:50] <arti> sorry for the kinda morbid news, it doesn't really count since he worked in finance
[20:18:35] <xlefay> Wow.. that's terrible
[20:18:41] <kobach> oh myu
[20:19:08] <arti> so looks like things are progressing from suicides to murders
[20:19:20] <arti> lots of finance people, i'm curious when we'll see bank of america execs
[20:19:21] <xlefay> I didn't read the entire thing but the comments are kinda 'WTF IS WRONG WITH U PEOPLE?' like
[20:19:37] <arti> looks like people over all aren't pleased with banksters
[20:19:47] <n1> can't say i blame them
[20:19:47] <arti> "hey it's just numbers!"
[20:20:02] <n1> its just numbers, until those numbers change in a way which means you no longer have a home
[20:20:03] <n1> or a business
[20:20:10] <arti> or a life :D
[20:20:21] <arti> we need more damping
[20:21:05] <arti> LOL sudden debt
[20:22:14] <xlefay> "So just like in the Lichtenstein murder, was it truly some atrocious act by bankers that caused their clients to take justice into their own hands, or is it becoming the norm that when dealing with members of the banker class, the population - disenchanted with a legal system that is largely in the pocket of the financial system - is increasingly resorting to not only vigilante justice, but the taking of banker lives with no regard for innoce
[20:22:14] <xlefay> nt bystanders?"
[20:22:49] <arti> aren't all questions: no?
[20:22:57] <xlefay> Right, so it's OK to kill someone for whatever reason; and it's OK to kill members of their family? I think not.
[20:23:08] <arti> might want to read up on the cartels
[20:23:20] <xlefay> The comments are rather unsettling imo, 'Indeed. This banker is not the real problem. The neighborhood does not scream "Lloyd does God's work here."'
[20:23:29] <arti> it's a very effective strategy
[20:23:54] <arti> xlefay, why aren't we looking at it as a new position available?
[20:24:17] <arti> we have no idea what kinda person this guy was or what he was involved with
[20:24:33] <arti> plenty of killers are referred to as quiet and nice by their neighbors too
[20:24:41] <xlefay> no, but even if he was a bad guy, his wife & nephew? Really?
[20:24:56] <arti> maybe it was to send a message
[20:25:26] <xlefay> Regardless, killing in itself isn't OK as far as I'm concerned. Then again, I'll probably got shot one day myself so whatever
[20:25:32] <n1> it wouldnt be the first time, xlefay
[20:25:36] * xlefay always expects the worst, just fyi
[20:25:48] <n1> when you're trying to defeat what you see as 'evil' you become just as evil yourself
[20:25:53] <arti> xlefay, i hate when i find that my date also has equipment
[20:25:53] <n1> ends justifying the means
[20:26:23] <xlefay> arti, ... ;-)
[20:26:41] <arti> hahahaha
[20:27:03] <arti> anyway, how're you doing
[20:27:18] <arti> taking any....killer loan deals out?
[20:27:25] * arti couldn't resist
[20:28:05] <xlefay> I'm OK, how about you? (and no, last time I tried, I got told NO, perhaps I should "tweet" about murdering the guy who said that, thoughts?)
[20:28:13] <xlefay> I bet, I'll be famous!
[20:28:23] <arti> infamous
[20:28:33] <xlefay> Hey, it just depends on the way you look at it
[20:28:43] * arti will use both eyes
[20:28:59] <arti> as long as i get a high enough perception roll, i'll be okay
[20:28:59] <xlefay> Maybe someone will even post to SN about it!
[20:29:06] <arti> *cough* *couhg*
[20:29:13] <xlefay> rofl
[20:29:14] <exec> There never was a good war or a bad peace.
[20:29:14] <exec> -- B. Franklin
[20:29:23] <xlefay> exec, how appropriate.
[20:29:28] <arti> roflrofl
[20:29:30] <xlefay> so how's you, arti ?
[20:29:40] <janrinok> I'm drafting a submission now....
[20:29:44] <xlefay> rofl
[20:29:45] <exec> Hi Jimbo. Dennis. Really appreciate the help on the income tax. You wanna
[20:29:45] <exec> help on the audit now?
[20:29:45] <exec> -- "The Rockford Files"
[20:29:52] <arti> helping a buddy prep for a show, burned a buncha dvd images to auto play commercials and whatnot
[20:30:18] <xlefay> ah I see, what kinda show is it if I may be so bold to ask?
[20:30:27] <arti> hair products, extensions
[20:30:40] <arti> i don't mind doing any work, the women are usually pretty
[20:31:07] <xlefay> I bet ;)
[20:31:13] * arti is so used to working with figures and products, not people
[20:31:46] <xlefay> And you're learning Haskell too! I wonder if you'll still be able to communicate with us mere mortals afterwards.
[20:31:48] <arti> i've done some magazine ads, and some video stuff
[20:31:52] <arti> hahaha
[20:31:52] <xlefay> neat
[20:31:56] * arti likes to keep it interesting
[20:32:16] <arti> haskell is cool for how terse it is
[20:32:17] <exec> hello from haskell
[20:32:46] <xlefay> haha, I'm loving how exec just routinely drops into the conversation at familiar triggers that you just write without meaning to trigger it
[20:32:55] <xlefay> Yeah I bet
[20:33:08] * arti has been lazy about bringing his bot in here
[20:33:22] <xlefay> :P
[20:33:23] <arti> i'd mainly like it for the training
[20:33:31] <arti> all the dialog, it'll grow the brain nicely
[20:33:41] * arti likes the mangled megahal dialog
[20:33:54] <xlefay> We should probably get a more formal bot policy here, I can easily imagine in a month or so this channel being chock full with bots triggering each other x'D
[20:34:11] <xlefay> "mangled megahal dialog"?
[20:34:31] <arti> oh, it's like a chatter bot mod for eggdrop
[20:34:42] <kobach> i never knew why other networks had no-bot policies until here
[20:34:48] * arti has kept one going for ~ 10 years
[20:34:55] <xlefay> That's nice!
[20:35:04] <xlefay> kobach, it's really not that bad yet though
[20:35:12] <xlefay> I've seen way worse
[20:35:18] <kobach> no its not
[20:35:21] <arti> well the obnoxious things are games
[20:35:27] <arti> crap out lots of text
[20:35:32] <kobach> arti: does it do weather
[20:35:40] <xlefay> just wait till there are hundreds of bots all programmed to trigger eachother are in one channel.. it kinda sucks
[20:35:42] <arti> i've got a mod for that
[20:35:50] <arti> hahahaha
[20:35:52] <kobach> xlefay: ^
[20:36:16] <xlefay> One thing is to be said about eggdrop's their rock solid
[20:36:52] <arti> the msoffice of irc bots
[20:37:18] <xlefay> Pretty much, ms office 97 then though
[20:37:26] <xlefay> Least, that one was rock stable
[20:37:37] <juggs> always have to spend an age disabling stuff in the config before putting an eggdrop live
[20:37:57] * arti was referring to the features not the stability
[20:38:08] <xlefay> That's true.. the config is obnoxious at best, but it's very flexible
[20:38:18] <arti> you get used to it
[20:38:22] <xlefay> It's dreadful if you really want to get the most out of the config
[20:38:22] <arti> then its like matrix code
[20:38:27] <arti> blondes, brunettes, redheads
[20:38:32] <xlefay> LOL
[20:41:05] <kobach> oh my
[20:41:22] <arti> i always hear sulu
[20:48:23] <arti> xlefay: have you seen the new wolfenstein?
[20:53:23] <xlefay> No I haven't, is it any good?
[20:53:33] <xlefay> ET itself is dying a slow dead.
[20:53:44] <xlefay> err, 'ET is dying slowly' :)
[20:54:06] <arti> meh, i didn't really like ET
[20:54:08] <arti> RTCW dude
[20:54:13] <arti> last best wolf game
[20:54:42] <arti> beach dude, what a map. something magical about getting a rocket into the bunker, and the gibs, and the helmets still suspended in mid air
[20:54:46] <arti> or the flame thrower
[20:54:51] <arti> man that thing was pretty
[20:54:55] * arti really liked depot
[20:54:58] <arti> 64player depot
[20:55:20] <arti> http://www.wolfenstein.com
[20:55:22] <arti> scope out the media
[20:55:32] <arti> the videos are pretty awesome, work your way to the train thing
[20:55:46] <arti> i'm tempted to pre-order. tempted.
[20:55:56] <arti> they use idtech5
[20:56:08] * arti wonders what multiplayer will be like
[20:56:19] <xlefay> Wow, the red
[20:56:23] <arti> oh yes
[20:56:28] <arti> loud
[20:58:11] <xlefay> fuck if I had money, I'd already have pre-ordered by now
[20:58:27] * arti is also interested in the new doom
[20:58:53] <arti> watch the train scene
[20:59:07] <arti> the lead is some swiss guy
[20:59:15] <arti> this would be a sweet movie
[20:59:21] * arti would enjoy it in IMAX
[20:59:28] <xlefay> yeah
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[21:04:57] <xlefay> LOL
[21:04:58] <xlefay> wow
[21:05:18] * arti is pretty excited
[21:11:14] * arti is also looking forward to the witcher 2
[21:11:17] <arti> er...3
[21:11:19] <arti> fail
[21:12:06] <xlefay> Never played that :P
[21:12:14] <arti> none of them?
[21:12:40] <arti> witcher 2 with the combat rebalance mod (made by the lead in his off time) is an outstanding story
[21:12:42] <xlefay> I pretty much only played, RE (5 & 6), Borderlands 2, ET, Portal 1 & 2, Need for speed and maybe a few others but most of them were years ago
[21:12:56] <arti> borderlands got the diablo with guns thing down pretty right
[21:13:07] <xlefay> Borderlands 2 is _awesome_ when playing with others
[21:13:10] * arti doesn't indulge as much as he used to
[21:13:28] <arti> oh yes, it's a total coop game
[21:13:49] <xlefay> I didn't play it much after enabling the real mode-thing, where you defeat what's his name again
[21:14:07] <arti> dear leader.
[21:14:09] <arti> Zack?
[21:14:11] <xlefay> that was months ago but meh.. I'm trying not to install Windows to play it
[21:14:23] <xlefay> The guy who owns Hyperion
[21:14:54] <arti> yeah, Jack
[21:15:27] <xlefay> Yeah, that's him
[21:15:47] <arti> you don't know jack mate
[21:16:27] <xlefay> I remember having to re-do that particular mode over and over (I was playing alone at that time though)
[21:17:00] <arti> wonder what the latency would be like, 250ms?
[21:17:08] <kobach> 5 days
[21:17:15] <arti> have you connect via a vpn to reduce the hops
[21:17:31] <arti> i played wow for awhile, lotta aussies :)
[21:18:36] <xlefay> Never played WoW but my brother still players it; he's addicted
[21:18:58] <arti> there was a time when nearly everyone at a company i worked for played
[21:19:00] <arti> that was sweet
[21:19:06] <arti> 2007ish
[21:19:21] <xlefay> (and I do know Jack, I just didn't remember his name ;-) | It's been months and I'm trying to forget about it because I used to co-op with my ex ;-))
[21:19:34] <xlefay> yeah that's pretty neat
[21:19:47] <arti> oh nice, i'd want to break up with them if i played coop too
[21:19:53] <arti> "FUCKING DOOR BLOCKER"
[21:20:15] <arti> that's totally not a game for friendly fire
[21:20:19] * arti typically likes that enabled
[21:20:22] <kobach> lol
[21:20:34] <arti> greetings kobach
[21:20:57] <xlefay> lol
[21:21:43] <kobach> hi
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[23:36:18] <SirFinkus> I posted a pro-australis comment
[23:36:27] * SirFinkus waits for the -1 troll mods
[23:36:38] <chromas> +1 troll
[23:38:01] <chromas> That bookmarks mockup looks like Windows 7. Or 8 except it has transparency and stuff
[23:38:42] <SirFinkus> it is kind of annoying that firefox is the best browser right now, but it's still so shitty
[23:39:08] <chromas> Yeah, I wish Internet Explorer was available for Linux
[23:39:17] <chromas> Now that's a -1, troll
[23:39:17] <SirFinkus> -1 troll
[23:39:53] <SirFinkus> I have heard that IE is acceptable now, provided you don't want any plugins or anything
[23:40:10] <SirFinkus> don't have personal experience with the latest version though
[23:40:58] <chromas> It has support for extensions but the only ones I've seen are OEM preinstalled garbage, AV-installed garbage, plus whatever malware installs
[23:42:30] <chromas> I think it also has tab-coloring built-in
[23:42:38] <SirFinkus> the thing that bothers me most about it is all the popups and shit when you launch it the first time to download firefox
[23:43:14] <SirFinkus> it redirects you to some page with some bullshit "friendly" language that pisses me off
[23:43:35] <SirFinkus> something like "Let's set up your internet experience"
[23:43:37] <chromas> <win>+R --> cmd <enter> --> ftp ftp.mozilla.org
[23:44:07] <n1> the internet is now an 'experience'?
[23:44:23] <chromas> That's the worst; they're always hiding what you want behind a bunch of shitty derp-friendly controls
[23:44:44] <SirFinkus> "Ok, we'll ask again next time"
[23:44:54] <chromas> Used to be able to go directly to the network adapter settings from the little tray icon
[23:45:38] <SirFinkus> well, changing network settings on windows has always been more of a pita than it should be
[23:50:26] <chromas> The whole world is going beta