#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-19
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[00:04:14] <Blackmoore> Have a good weekend folks!
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[00:04:51] <Blackmoore> I'm off to go drink and die horrible deaths in minecraft skyblock
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[00:12:22] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Reverse Heartbleed Client Vulnerability - http://sylnt.us - bigger-problem-than-first-thought
[00:40:51] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
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[01:19:56] * NCommander kicks gluster
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[01:50:34] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Google's Motives Questioned By European Media CEO - http://sylnt.us - from-one-mogul-to-another
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[02:25:24] <drussell> ping
[02:26:00] <Cyprus> pong
[02:26:55] <drussell> Works for me.. :)
[02:27:02] <drussell> Have to keep the lights on
[02:29:21] <crutchy> g'day
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[02:59:51] <juggs> greetings Spalls
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[02:59:59] * juggs does a silly walk
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[03:00:24] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> that was stupid of me...
[03:01:13] <juggs> well what minimize button is awfully close to the quit one :D
[03:01:18] <crutchy> welcome to the stupid club spalls... i'm a life member :-P
[03:01:42] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: stop haxoring my webcam :)
[03:02:01] * SpallsHurgenson is1337 'cuz he uses words like "haxor" ;-)
[03:02:11] <crutchy> do people still use minimize buttons?
[03:02:21] * NCommander is fixing Gluster's IPv6 support :-)
[03:02:33] <crutchy> gluster?
[03:02:41] <crutchy> doesn't sound like an element i'm aware of
[03:03:04] <crutchy> glusterium?
[03:03:26] <NCommander> Cluster filesystem
[03:03:47] <crutchy> drbd?
[03:04:10] <crutchy> or is gluster the name of the filesystem?
[03:04:15] * crutchy googles
[03:04:31] <crutchy> ooh
[03:04:43] <crutchy> never come across GlusterFS
[03:04:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I would like to complain about the topic in #staff ;-) "incase" is not a word, and "loose" is not correct. My inner grammar nazi is having a conniption fit :)
[03:05:13] <crutchy> the topic grammar is the topic of discussion :-P
[03:05:21] <crutchy> (need something to talk about)
[03:05:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I thought we were talking about the strengths and weakneses of GlusterFS
[03:05:51] <NCommander> crutchy, fixed
[03:05:57] <NCommander> er, SpallsHurgenson
[03:06:17] <crutchy> dunno. i've only heard of drbd but it might be different
[03:06:20] <SpallsHurgenson> NCommander: thank you. My soul is at peace now :)
[03:06:34] <crutchy> http://www.drbd.org
[03:07:13] <crutchy> "DRBD can be understood as network based raid-1"
[03:07:17] <juggs> wait - what now? What am I doing to your webcam Spalls?
[03:09:33] <juggs> Isn't GlusterFS some de-duping filesystem? I vaguely have a thought that it uses some hashing algorithm to determine dupe files to reduce total storage.
[03:09:41] * juggs goes to read a refresher
[03:12:04] <juggs> nope - my memory failed me. It's a distributed FS.
[03:12:22] * juggs sits in the dumb corner
[03:12:49] <crutchy> hi juggs you came to sit with me eh
[03:13:55] <crutchy> at least you knew of gluster :-P
[03:14:17] <SpallsHurgenson> tomorrow, thank god, is saturday. this makes me happy
[03:15:26] <crutchy> already 1115 on saturday here... going too quickly :-(
[03:21:43] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Debian Squeezed in at the Wire - http://sylnt.us
[03:23:14] <juggs> crutchy, knew the name - clearly couldn't remember the details. There seems to have been a rash of new filesystems which either de-dupe or coalesce distributed storage, or both. I try to keep somewhat abreast, but really FS decisions are best left to those who have to maintain them.
[03:24:13] <chromas> Somebody needs to invent a p2p filesystem so I can just throw it onto any computer in my house, add a cert and have instant storage
[03:30:46] <Cyprus> they called it kazaa
[03:30:48] <Cyprus> =)
[03:31:47] <juggs> A kind of distributed RAID? No doubt it was already done 40 years ago and will be re-packaged and given a new marketing friendly monicker and pitched to us as something "new" by the guys in shiny suits,
[03:35:27] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, will it work in "the cloud" so we won't be reliant on servers? ;-)
[03:38:34] <crutchy> i think drbd doesn't use "servers"
[03:38:41] <crutchy> it's designed for HA
[03:38:52] <crutchy> every node is the same
[03:39:24] <juggs> "the cloud" is sooo yesterday. What you need is "The Galaxy" - it automagically, resiliently stores your LOLpics over several planetary systems. All backed by our industry award winning gold medal SLA (ignore the small print).
[03:39:40] <crutchy> and automagically takes photos of your cat for you
[03:41:09] <crutchy> and your neighbor's cat
[03:41:48] <crutchy> and you and your neighbors cat together... and files it in /cat/pr0n
[03:42:16] <juggs> o.O
[03:42:37] <crutchy> omg that came out so wrong
[03:42:51] * crutchy madly looks for undo button
[03:43:31] <juggs> I posit that it came out exactly as you intended.
[03:43:32] <crutchy> i don't think that was the correct way of saying two cats together
[03:45:12] <juggs> Why would anyone want a record of two cats going at it? I either need to get out more or less... I'm not sure which.
[03:45:27] * juggs is disturbed
[03:45:38] <crutchy> dunno... ask the galaxy
[03:46:55] <crutchy> maybe such questions aren't for normal people to ponder... only superhumans like keanu reeves
[03:54:47] <juggs> sadly his superhuman insight didn't prevent sequels. If only he'd grasped the concept of the spoon before being disturbed by a cookie baking geriatric.
[03:55:43] <crutchy> the last spoonbender failed to adequately communicate
[03:58:39] <crutchy> lucky the old couch potato made it clear... who doesn't understand words like "ergo"
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[04:09:52] <juggs> should the onus lie on the spoonbender as the emitter of the message to explain? I'd say that the onus is on the recipient of the message to grasp its full meaning as the emitter is confined within bounds they are not conscious of.
[04:13:17] <NCommander> w00t
[04:13:22] <NCommander> Ok, gluster is setup, replication is working
[04:13:31] * NCommander is going to have the frontend fault tolernate in an hour or so
[04:19:51] <chromas> Going to test with 400TB of LEDs?
[04:20:37] <juggs> *tolerant even. Happy Easter NCommander
[04:20:49] <juggs> NCommander++
[04:20:49] <deadbeef> karma - ncommander: 24
[04:21:08] * juggs evaporates
[04:21:54] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[04:22:03] <chromas> That's what happens when you leave the juggs open
[04:27:03] <Cyprus> ewww gluster
[04:33:23] <NCommander> juggs|afk, thanks
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[04:54:49] <crutchy> maybe its just the music, but this last bit is very funny: https://www.youtube.com
[04:55:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember that being... longer
[05:02:38] <Cyprus> thats what she said...
[05:02:57] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> yes... yes she did :-(
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[05:18:09] <NCommander> Sweet
[05:18:18] <NCommander> Failback worked fine, no irruption to site traffic
[05:21:13] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Google May Boost Search Results to Secure Sites - http://sylnt.us - a-push-in-the-right-direction
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[06:20:58] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Patient-Specific Adult Stem Cell Lines Created - http://sylnt.us
[06:47:24] * NCommander fiddles with firewalling
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[06:58:23] * NCommander gets ready to switch to full frontend load balancing
[07:10:36] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Google Hosting Pirate Streaming Video - http://sylnt.us - get-the-popcorn-and-settle-down
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[07:48:48] <NCommander> We're now in full loadbalancing mode
[07:48:49] <NCommander> yay
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[08:33:19] * crutchy applies load
[08:34:31] <crutchy> does soylent have HA failover?
[08:35:28] <NCommander> crutchy, frontend only ATM
[08:35:33] <NCommander> The backend is still a single point of failure
[08:36:40] <crutchy> pacemaker?
[08:38:41] <NCommander> crutchy, more complicated than that. Mostly because mysql is made of fail
[08:39:29] <crutchy> isn't there a cluster edition of mysql? mysql clusterfuck edition?
[08:39:51] <xlefay> that _IS_ MySQL community & enterprise edition, didn't you know?
[08:39:59] <paulej72> crutchy: exactly clusterfuck eddition
[08:41:44] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Social Media Causing Distancing Phenomena? - http://sylnt.us - antisocial
[08:42:21] <NCommander> MySQL cluster isn't a drop in replacement for the standard one
[08:43:31] <crutchy> bugger
[08:43:57] <crutchy> i guess slash is prolly more likely to shit all over itself than mysql anyway
[08:56:16] <stderr> p>1? That doesn't make sense...
[09:00:33] <crutchy> pacemaker looks like it might be able to handle regliar mysql: http://clusterlabs.org
[09:01:03] <crutchy> wow looks a bit different since i visited last
[09:02:54] <crutchy> eeck... "Pacemaker... is primarily a collaborative effort between Red Hat and Novell"
[10:00:05] * arti o.o
[10:01:39] <xlefay> w00t
[10:02:18] <arti> greetings
[10:02:56] <crutchy> g'day
[10:03:06] * arti had a power supply crap out
[10:03:12] <arti> then issues booting
[10:03:23] * arti ended up purchasing a SSD
[10:03:40] <arti> so i got that all setup, still installing software
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[10:21:45] <ar> crutchy: i'm dealing with pacemaker just about every day at my job. at the first look, it doesn't seem half bad. and then you discover the horrible fugly mess of ocf scripts
[10:31:07] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Effects of Bullying Linger Long - http://sylnt.us - psychology-morning
[10:39:37] <xlefay> Unless my clock is entirely off, someone should probably update this: "Name submission period ends: Sat Apr 19 7:00 UTC" maybe something along the lines "We're now actually going to hold a vote" ;)
[10:39:41] <xlefay> arti, auch
[10:48:53] <arti> much needed spring cleaning
[10:48:55] <arti> :|
[11:19:37] <crutchy> any irc protocol experts in here?
[11:20:13] <arti> you must begin your query with irc protocol sucks, for verbose output
[11:20:43] <crutchy> lol
[11:21:15] <crutchy> i might have it figured out
[11:21:19] <crutchy> just trying something
[11:21:31] <xlefay> whatcha need?
[11:22:11] <crutchy> trying to get bacon to send a msg to a nick. i think i got it sorted maybe (crosses finglers)
[11:22:31] <xlefay> You do the same as when you message a channel, so instead of #channel you do: nick
[11:22:50] <crutchy> yeah trying that now
[11:22:56] <crutchy> thanks :-)
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[12:23:21] <crutchy> is it just me or did we just get our butts sniffed?
[12:23:49] <MrBluze> ?
[12:23:50] <xlefay> ?
[12:23:53] <xlefay> just returned
[12:24:02] <MrBluze> im not here
[12:24:22] <xlefay> MrBluze, that statement seems questionable at best
[12:24:39] <SirFinkus> wasn't me
[12:24:48] <crutchy> i'm here in spirit only
[12:24:54] <crutchy> alcoholic spirit
[12:25:19] <xlefay> SirFinkus, and somehow a message including both butt and sniffs get your insta-attention? :P
[12:25:30] <SirFinkus> absolutely
[12:25:33] <crutchy> lalala :-D
[12:25:47] <xlefay> ha, how are you guys?
[12:26:09] <SirFinkus> my client is set up to highlight me upon possible perversion in the channel
[12:26:41] <SirFinkus> sets off an alarm if I'm sleeping
[12:26:52] <xlefay> woa, that's quite amazing
[12:27:04] <crutchy> i would like to subscribe to your newsletter sir
[12:27:20] <SirFinkus> honestly, you probably don't
[12:28:19] <crutchy> did bacon trigger it yesterday?
[12:28:26] <SirFinkus> ?
[12:28:42] <SirFinkus> I don't have a bacon specific filter
[12:28:43] <xlefay> aah
[12:28:46] <xlefay> !quote drussel
[12:28:46] <deadbeef> Quote 119 - <drussell> Sounds like a delicious porno
[12:28:47] <crutchy> it was kinda wtf perverse
[12:28:50] <deadbeef> Also in quotes: 120
[12:28:53] <xlefay> !quote 120
[12:28:53] <deadbeef> Quote 120 - <drussell> Boobies have Jell-O filling!
[12:28:57] <xlefay> definitely, 119
[12:29:01] <SirFinkus> but things like pork and meat will often highlight me
[12:29:56] <crutchy> i'm not going to repeat what bacon said
[12:30:10] <xlefay> rofl
[12:30:42] <SirFinkus> I think I remember this
[12:31:34] <crutchy> when a programmer says that -o means offensive, you had better believe him :-P
[12:31:45] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[12:31:45] <deadbeef> Added quote 122
[12:31:47] <xlefay> Solid advice rofl
[12:32:52] <drussell> -o Choose only from potentially offensive aphorisms. Please,
[12:32:52] <drussell> please, please request a potentially offensive fortune if and
[12:32:52] <drussell> only if you believe, deep down in your heart, that you are will-
[12:32:52] <drussell> ing to be offended. (And that if you are not willing, you will
[12:32:52] <drussell> just quit using -o rather than give us grief about it, okay?)
[12:33:08] <drussell> Even the man page warns you :)
[12:33:59] <xlefay> I love the end of that entry
[12:34:08] <crutchy> the first fortune cookie i ever saw with its own man page
[12:34:15] <xlefay> (And that if you are not willing, you will just quit using -o rather than give us grief about it, okay?)
[12:34:44] <xlefay> crutchy, it's much like a voting system that requires a manual except the fortune's manual is actually funny ;-)
[12:35:04] <crutchy> :-D
[12:35:53] <crutchy> at least i don't have to code an email message to get my fortune :-P
[12:36:05] <SirFinkus> ➤ fortune -o
[12:36:05] <SirFinkus> LSD melts in your mind, not in your hand.
[12:36:08] <SirFinkus> heh
[12:36:43] <xlefay> yeah that one's not really funny or offensive
[12:36:53] <xlefay> crutchy, maybe we should code a man page instead!
[12:37:00] <xlefay> Least, it'd be consistent!
[12:37:22] <xlefay> $ fortune -o
[12:37:22] <xlefay> No fortunes found
[12:37:26] <xlefay> eh "/
[12:37:46] <crutchy> maybe it offended itself
[12:38:33] <xlefay> maybe I'm missing that particular database *goes looking*
[12:39:00] <crutchy> i think mine was in synaptic
[12:39:16] <xlefay> omg :o
[12:39:16] <crutchy> fortune-offesive or something
[12:39:19] <xlefay> xcowsay exists
[12:39:43] <xlefay> fortunes-off - Data files containing offensive fortune cookies
[12:39:45] <xlefay> aah there we go
[12:40:20] <crutchy> $ fortune -o
[12:40:21] <crutchy> Winter is nature's way of saying, "Up yours."
[12:40:25] <xlefay> rofl $ xcowsay `fortune -o`
[12:40:58] <crutchy> rofl
[12:41:00] <crutchy> $ fortune -o
[12:41:00] <crutchy> She never liked zippers, she said,
[12:41:00] <crutchy> Until she opened one in bed.
[12:41:20] <xlefay> hmm.. xcowsay even has a daemon :o
[12:41:50] <crutchy> xcowsay `fortune -o` has a demon :-P
[12:42:04] <xlefay> xcowsay --daemon o.O
[12:42:41] <xlefay> ooh will you look at that. They even made a 'xcowfortune' that's bundled with xcowsay ;-)
[12:42:48] <crutchy> what does it mean if i'm sitting on an oil heater eating an icecream?
[12:44:14] <xlefay> hmm, no idea, but please do share
[12:44:21] <chromas> It means you have a hot ass but are cool about it
[12:45:25] <crutchy> i have a hot ass and a cool tongue :-P
[12:45:45] <crutchy> yeah i dunno. i'm a bit of a weirdo
[12:46:05] <chromas> !grab crutchy -1
[12:46:05] <deadbeef> I don't think that's a nick....
[12:46:18] <chromas> !grab deadbeef
[12:46:18] <deadbeef> I don't know what deadbeef said, so I can't quote them!
[12:46:37] <crutchy> deadbeef... wake up dude!
[12:47:41] * crutchy gives deadbeef mouth-to-mouth resuscitation
[12:51:55] <drussell> There was a young whore from Kaloo
[12:51:55] <drussell> Who filled her vagina with glue.
[12:51:55] <drussell> She said with a grin,
[12:51:55] <drussell> "If they pay to get in,
[12:51:55] <drussell> They can pay to get out again too!"
[12:51:55] <drussell> mmm... Naughty bacon
[12:53:43] <crutchy> it would be worse if mother said it
[12:53:49] <crutchy> ;-)
[12:56:30] <crutchy> xlefay... how do you guys get the @soylent/staff/sysop/xlefay thingys?
[12:56:44] <crutchy> looks nifty
[12:57:03] <xlefay> The IRCd sets it for us (after of course, one of the IRCopses set it for the account)
[12:57:19] <xlefay> If you want a cloak/vhost, /msg hostserv request the-name/you.want
[12:57:35] <crutchy> cloak eh
[13:00:34] <crutchy> there must be rules for that i guess... no soylentnews.com or microsoft.com or batshit/crazy
[13:00:51] <xlefay> just apply common sense :)
[13:01:05] <crutchy> you're assuming that i have any :-P
[13:01:10] <xlefay> chromas, you'll share that host with Cyprus eh, you sure you want that one?
[13:01:17] <xlefay> s/host/cloak/
[13:01:18] <SedBot> <xlefay> chromas, you'll share that cloak with Cyprus eh, you sure you want that one?
[13:01:37] <chromas> Can it be anything? Like [::1] ?
[13:01:41] <xlefay> crutchy, well, an IRCop still needs to approve it
[13:01:49] <xlefay> no []'s
[13:02:39] <crutchy> crutchy@whitehouse.gov
[13:02:45] <crutchy> :-D
[13:03:20] <xlefay> crutchy, unless you're the owner ... ;-)
[13:03:44] <crutchy> i rent it out to the potus occasionally
[13:03:51] <xlefay> I bet :P
[13:04:24] <crutchy> how about crutchy@uranus?
[13:04:29] <xlefay> /hs request uranus
[13:04:33] <xlefay> and I'll make it so
[13:04:41] <xlefay> eh.. that sounded weird, oh well ;)
[13:04:49] <crutchy> lol
[13:05:59] <xlefay> chromas, you can however do ::1
[13:06:26] <chromas> I just noticed soylentpoutine. Can't be the real one because his mouth is shut
[13:06:39] <xlefay> except where it really is him :P
[13:06:45] <xlefay> but yeah.. kinda surprising eh
[13:09:03] <crutchy> i guess he's not making much noise
[13:09:26] <crutchy> is he quieted or kicked?
[13:09:51] <xlefay> if he was kicked, he wouldn't be in the channel, as far as quieted, no
[13:10:16] <xlefay> There's actually no-one quieted or banned in #soylent
[13:10:17] <crutchy> ah just picked up on what chromas was getting at :-P
[13:10:53] <crutchy> be alert crutchy... australia needs more lerts
[13:11:17] <xlefay> I'm guessing poutine uses a BNC but just doesn't attach to the Soylent network normally
[13:11:34] <xlefay> so it's *I think* just another ghost in the machine ;-)
[13:11:38] <crutchy> he's kinda famous around here
[13:11:46] <crutchy> or infamous :-D
[13:11:49] <xlefay> crutchy, s/fam/infam/
[13:11:49] <SedBot> <xlefay> <crutchy> or ininfamous :-D
[13:11:50] <xlefay> dammit
[13:11:56] <xlefay> ininfamous works too though.
[13:12:04] <crutchy> hell yeah
[13:12:08] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - The Science of the Crucifixion - http://sylnt.us - Down-the-hall-to-the-left
[13:12:23] <xlefay> deadbeef, nah, down-the-hall-to-the-*right*
[13:12:23] <crutchy> crucification's for pussies
[13:12:30] <xlefay> get it right deadbeef or gtfo
[13:13:27] <xlefay> anyway, chromas should I reject your request or do you want 'localhost'? I can also do nothing but chances are, someone else will accept it when they see it
[13:13:36] <crutchy> dammit now i'm watching life of brian scenes on youtube
[13:13:48] <chromas> reject, please
[13:14:07] <xlefay> -HostServ- chromas is currently online, and you may talk directly, by sending a private message.
[13:14:07] <xlefay> -HostServ- The memo has been successfully sent to chromas.
[13:14:09] <xlefay> "You don't say"
[13:15:11] <crutchy> xlefay: can i have ~ as a cloak?
[13:15:16] <xlefay> no
[13:15:19] <crutchy> lol
[13:15:33] <crutchy> thought that might be pushing it
[13:15:33] <xlefay> That's an illegal character for sure ;-)
[13:15:55] <crutchy> is there a minimum length?
[13:16:24] <xlefay> yes, >=1
[13:17:07] <crutchy> hmm
[13:17:27] <crutchy> i do like length of 1
[13:17:31] <chromas> How about a NUL or BEL?
[13:17:37] <crutchy> lmao
[13:17:46] <crutchy> or a ht
[13:18:06] <crutchy> what's the code for backspace?
[13:18:24] <chromas> 8
[13:21:29] <chromas> ☹
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[13:24:29] <crutchy> can i use unicode?
[13:24:49] <crutchy> i kinda like ¿
[13:25:04] <xlefay> tias ;-)
[13:25:26] <chromas> Would this be offensive? ✈▓
[13:25:44] <crutchy> 255 of those :-)
[13:27:46] <chromas> Ꙭ
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[13:35:18] <crutchy> lol i just realised what the first symbol was that you typed chromas
[13:35:20] <crutchy> lol
[13:35:29] * crutchy adjusts eyes
[13:35:37] <crutchy> Ꙭ
[13:35:53] <crutchy> ooh that could sooo be misconstrued
[13:36:11] <chromas> lol
[13:36:44] <crutchy> maybe i should request @8008135
[13:37:19] <ar> ×_×
[13:37:53] <chromas> I wonder if combining marks would work
[13:38:05] <chromas> chromas@̸
[13:38:35] <crutchy> don't seem to have tripped sirfinkus' pervert-o-meter
[13:38:56] <crutchy> maybe it doesn't recognise hidden meanings
[13:39:18] <SirFinkus> AI has only come so far
[13:39:30] <crutchy> doesn't read between the lines bahahahaha
[13:39:39] <crutchy> omg i must be tired
[13:44:07] <crutchy> i've let my back lawn grow a little for kids easter egg hunt tomorrow (yeah i know likely excuse) but i have a sneaking suspicion my lawnmower might end up enjoying more eggs than my kids
[13:45:08] <chromas> That's why you index them in a database with coordinates and photos
[13:45:44] <chromas> The NSA will do it for you too
[13:45:52] <crutchy> hahaha and then to find them all my kids have to learn to brute force a sha1 hash
[13:47:04] <crutchy> you reckon i can sweet talk xlefay into letting me have the upside down question mark?
[13:47:38] <SirFinkus> well, that set my filter off crutchy
[13:47:39] <xlefay> About those easter eggs..
[13:47:46] <chromas> If you feed him enough bacon ⌇
[13:48:11] <chromas> SirFinkus: was it the "kids" or "brute force"?
[13:48:18] <crutchy> did my mention of hash trigger?
[13:48:25] <xlefay> Well, that escalated quickly.
[13:48:25] <SirFinkus> no, the kids looking for easter eggs in your "back lawn"
[13:48:32] <crutchy> lol
[13:48:45] <crutchy> at least not looking for hash in my back lawn
[13:48:53] <SirFinkus> or anything in your front lawn
[13:48:55] <crutchy> only airport security is allowed to do that
[13:49:12] <xlefay> Only in the USA and the likes
[13:49:33] <chromas> The problem with skipping a couple days on the back lawn is it gets itchy
[13:49:40] <SirFinkus> well, in the US traffic cops can do that too
[13:49:41] <crutchy> yeah i've tried making eyes at aussie airport security but the most i got was an explosives scan
[13:50:02] <xlefay> crutchy, say no more, we don't want to know!
[13:50:34] <SirFinkus> !grab crutchy
[13:50:34] <deadbeef> Added quote 123
[13:50:46] <crutchy> oh crap
[13:51:06] <ar> ;>
[13:51:09] <xlefay> rofl
[13:52:06] <xlefay> just fyi crutchy, chromas's spot on
[13:52:35] <xlefay> Bring the bacon and we'll talk about that upside down question mark ;-)
[13:52:46] <crutchy> lol take your own advice xlefay :-D
[13:53:01] <crutchy> tmi about the back lawn :-P
[13:53:01] <SirFinkus> it's better if you can get someone else to trim your back lawn
[13:53:20] <xlefay> oh my
[13:53:30] <crutchy> @.@
[13:53:53] <SirFinkus> I always get tired and sweaty when I trim mine
[13:54:03] <crutchy> i would have to pay my wife to pay someone else to import some poor chinese guy to come trim my back lawn
[13:54:13] <crutchy> nograb
[13:54:17] <xlefay> damn
[13:54:33] * xlefay is seriously considering adding that one manually :P
[13:54:34] * chromas never says anything grabbable
[13:54:54] <crutchy> i usually just say shit without thinking too much
[13:55:03] <SirFinkus> except that bit about the back lawn getting itchy
[13:55:08] <SirFinkus> but nobody grabbed it
[13:55:14] <xlefay> yeah
[13:55:22] <xlefay> !grab chromas
[13:55:22] <deadbeef> Added quote 124
[13:55:27] <xlefay> well.. now we have it anyway!
[13:55:33] <crutchy> lmao
[13:55:33] <SirFinkus> !quote 124
[13:55:33] <deadbeef> Quote 124 - <chromas> The problem with skipping a couple days on the back lawn is it gets itchy
[13:55:43] <SirFinkus> ahh, doesn't count /mes?
[13:55:48] <xlefay> no, it's braindead
[13:56:16] <chromas> To be fair, so is CTCP
[13:56:46] <xlefay> no argument there
[13:56:48] <crutchy> the pcp/ip one would have been a good grab too
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[13:58:16] <chromas> crutchy: set your bot to emit !grab when it detects certain words
[13:58:33] <crutchy> ~coffee@¿
[13:58:35] <crutchy> lol
[13:58:38] <crutchy> yeah ok
[13:58:47] <crutchy> gimme a sec
[13:59:13] <SirFinkus> well, then the game becomes making innocuous statements to try and trigger the bot
[13:59:31] <chromas> and then making the bot detect and ignore that
[13:59:44] <SirFinkus> it's an arms race
[14:00:08] <chromas> We need to automate conversation
[14:01:40] <crutchy> dammit i need to edit bacon or coffee or whatever its called to treat an empty alias as execute on every line
[14:02:13] <SirFinkus> dick began fisting the bread dough so it would swell before he stuck it in the oven
[14:02:30] <chromas> !grab *
[14:02:30] <deadbeef> I don't know what * said, so I can't quote them!
[14:02:33] <crutchy> ooh do you have fortune -o too?
[14:02:36] <SirFinkus> perfectly innocent sentence
[14:03:21] <SirFinkus> lol I just got this
[14:03:22] <SirFinkus> http://pastebin.com
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[14:08:58] <chromas> I'm here to educate you about the single biggest threat to our planet. You see, there is something out there which threatens our very existence and maybe the end of the human race as we know it. I'm talking, of course, about manbearpig. —Al Gore
[14:15:08] <crutchy> ~q
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[14:22:32] <crutchy> dick
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[14:23:13] <chromas> Backdoor bandit
[14:23:14] <xlefay> crutchy, ?
[14:24:23] * xlefay notes he plan to trick crutchy into saying di.............c.......k in this channel again just failed :~/
[14:24:24] <xlefay> oh well
[14:24:38] <ar> what would happen?
[14:24:54] <xlefay> try it and see ;-)
[14:25:19] <ar> hrm
[14:25:28] <xlefay> coffee got a neat new function :P
[14:25:37] <juggler> dick
[14:25:49] <xlefay> crutchy, you removed that word?
[14:26:17] <crutchy> there's new more devilishly creative words in there now :-P
[14:26:29] <xlefay> hmm
[14:26:32] <xlefay> I found on so far..
[14:27:42] <xlefay> one*
[14:31:20] <xlefay> just disregard that.. x'D
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[14:32:56] <janrinok> xlefay: hi - how's things?
[14:33:33] <xlefay> janrinok, it's ok, you?
[14:33:45] <janrinok> yeah, good, taking it easy today
[14:34:43] <xlefay> nice ;)
[14:35:20] <janrinok> It doesn't happen often, but I'm hoping for a quiet and restful weekend.
[14:47:10] <ar> diсk
[14:47:12] <ar> hm
[14:47:16] <ar> nothing happened
[14:48:05] <xlefay> no, crutchy already removed that particular word
[14:48:07] <xlefay> slashdot works now though
[14:48:08] <coffee> !grab xlefay
[14:48:08] <deadbeef> Added quote 125
[14:48:26] <ar> slashdot
[14:48:26] <coffee> !grab ar
[14:48:26] <deadbeef> Added quote 126
[14:48:28] <chromas> Beta doesn't though
[14:48:32] <ar> meh
[14:48:36] <chromas> Just like real life
[14:49:56] <ar> slаshdоt?
[14:50:00] <ar> heh
[14:50:11] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[14:51:29] <xlefay> janrinok|afk, enjoy life!
[14:51:54] <janrinok|afk> I always try to ...
[14:52:55] <xlefay> Good ;-)
[14:53:09] <xlefay> & remember, be wary of strange men in dark suits
[14:53:28] <ar> most of my clothes are black
[14:53:33] <chromas> Unless they have candy
[14:53:43] <xlefay> ^^^^^
[14:54:31] <Subsentient> derp
[14:54:35] <Subsentient> DERP
[14:54:43] <Subsentient> !!!!DERP!!!!!
[14:55:01] * Subsentient blows out speaker
[14:55:39] <xlefay> Subsentient, we know you're excited about strange men in dark suites that don't have candy, but really blowing out speakers isn't the way to go buddy
[14:55:39] <coffee> !grab xlefay
[14:55:39] <deadbeef> Added quote 127
[14:55:47] <xlefay> eh
[14:56:06] <chromas> Obviously it was "buddy", friend
[15:02:56] <chromas> The server says ::1 is unacceptable ☹
[15:03:16] <xlefay> Perhaps because it starts with :? Try 0::1
[15:03:28] <chromas> ⌨ also doesn't work
[15:03:31] <crutchy> or 0.0
[15:03:45] <crutchy> or just 0
[15:03:47] <crutchy> :-P
[15:04:05] <crutchy> they're not unique any sounds like
[15:04:13] <crutchy> s/any/anyway/
[15:04:14] <SedBot> <crutchy> they're not unique anyway sounds like
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[15:08:09] <xlefay> chromas, was that a test or do you really want it?
[15:08:27] <chromas> I'll take it, unless it should be longer
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[15:08:49] <xlefay> 23* chromas (~chromas@0::123) has joined
[15:08:51] <xlefay> There you go, sir
[15:09:01] <chromas> Thank you, good sir
[15:11:39] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Simplicity is Key to Co-operative Robots - http://sylnt.us - Three-Simple-Rules
[15:12:28] <chromas> Do you see all channel messages? Like my testes in the 'secret' channel?
[15:12:44] <paulej72> Looks like I will be unavilable again for the next few days. No real work from me.
[15:13:15] <xlefay> chromas, 'secret' channel? Unless I'm in said channel, then no, I don't
[15:13:26] <SirFinkus> !grab chromas
[15:13:40] <xlefay> (or someone tells me, what you said, for instance)
[15:13:43] <paulej72> I’ll be traveleing back to PA and will not have very good internet access. I will see everyone later.
[15:13:48] <chromas> Oh I thought you could watch ircd activities or something
[15:13:51] <xlefay> paulej72, safe journey
[15:13:55] <paulej72> thnaks
[15:14:00] <paulej72> bye
[15:14:13] <xlefay> chromas, no, most IRC servers aren't intrusive (and this one is no different)
[15:14:36] <xlefay> I do keep tabs on server & services logs, but they don't log messages, or w/e
[15:14:49] <xlefay> They just say "client connected", "client left", "user failed to identify", etc
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[16:53:03] <michealpwalls> 'morning, everybody! :)
[16:54:35] <michealpwalls> How come, when you click "xyz More Lines" to view a story's full size, it adds this: &mode=nocomment and disables comments?
[16:54:47] <janrinok|afk> michealpwalls: hi
[16:55:03] <janrinok|afk> which story?
[16:55:07] <michealpwalls> Actually wait, it says "xyz more words in the story"
[16:55:13] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[16:55:25] <michealpwalls> On the mainpage, the "Science of Crucifixion" story, janrinok. Also good morning :)
[16:55:35] <janrinok> gm
[16:56:25] <michealpwalls> It truncates it very nicely and puts the link to the full story text, that's all really nice. But when you follow that link, it also disables comments. I thought that was confusing hehe. At first I thought nobody commented on that story :/
[16:56:40] <janrinok> It doesn't do that for me.
[16:56:44] <michealpwalls> Hrmm!
[16:56:46] <michealpwalls> That's odd
[16:57:00] <michealpwalls> Lemme test a couple things, I'll get back to you ;)
[16:57:13] <janrinok> OK
[16:58:01] <janrinok> michealpwalls: click the 'Read More' to the LHS of the word count! You are trying to enter the editor mode.
[16:58:20] <michealpwalls> Oh wait. Are you clicking "Read More" or "xyz words in story" ? The "Read More" provides the full text plus comments, however "xyz words in story" disables comments.
[16:58:38] <michealpwalls> Ohhh, I see. That 'words in story' is meant more for the author/editor?
[16:59:01] <janrinok> its simply a word count for the reader. For editors it also takes them to another mode.
[16:59:18] <michealpwalls> I see. Interesting!
[16:59:31] <janrinok> I don't think the link should really be there for non-eds but it doesn't let you do anything dangerous!
[16:59:42] <michealpwalls> I will restrain my nit-pickery.. It is a little confusing for newbies though hehe
[16:59:56] <michealpwalls> Indeed! It's only very minor..
[17:01:37] <janrinok> np. The intention is to keep the summary to a short and reasonable length. But to enable all the information to be included, there is an 'extended' mode for editors. If you look at stories above and below the Crucifixion story, you will see that they do _not_ have the word count. The word count on the Crucifixion story indicates that there is more to be read than can be seen in the summary. Does that explain it for you?
[17:02:12] <janrinok> michealpwalls: ^
[17:02:17] <michealpwalls> Yes that all works quite well
[17:02:26] <michealpwalls> I like that behavior
[17:03:02] <janrinok> ok. But perhaps it shouldn't function as a link on the front page - I'll mention that to someone who might be able to change it!
[17:04:41] <michealpwalls> I like the link too, I just thought that the way that particular link disables comments with this: mode=nocomment was an odd behavior
[17:05:23] <michealpwalls> But I understand now that it's for editors and dunno why I clicked that instead of 'Read More' in the first place haha
[17:06:03] <janrinok> To be honest I don't know of any eds who actually use it. There are better ways to achieve the same things.
[17:06:26] <michealpwalls> Indeed. See, for that particular story the controls are as follows:
[17:06:43] <michealpwalls> "Read More..." | "557 words in story" | "7 comments"
[17:06:57] <michealpwalls> Interestingly... 'Read More' and '7 comments' are the identcle links.. Exact same URI.
[17:07:14] <janrinok> ...thats slashcode for you....
[17:07:14] <michealpwalls> However the middle link.. Is the exact same link, only with this 1 argument added: mode=nocomments
[17:07:20] <mattie_p> who the what now?
[17:07:32] <janrinok> hi mattie_p
[17:07:42] <mattie_p> hi janrinok
[17:07:52] <mattie_p> something wrong with extended copy?
[17:07:54] <michealpwalls> Which, from a user experience point of view, I just found that odd.... Although totaly minor and easy to ignore, much more important issues I'm sure. LOL I'm just tired :P
[17:08:20] <janrinok> mattie_p: On the stories that use extended text, if you click the word count you get taken to the story but in 'no comment' mode. Its not a bug but a feature.
[17:08:32] <mattie_p> oh, I see it now
[17:08:46] <michealpwalls> Yea, it's not a bug
[17:08:47] <mattie_p> that is some odd behaviour
[17:08:50] <michealpwalls> It's a feature that I just thought was odd..
[17:09:05] <michealpwalls> 'cause... okay, think about it like this. We all pretend we've *never* been to SoylentNews before
[17:09:16] <michealpwalls> After a long story, we are confronted with 3 links... However they are all the same link...
[17:09:27] <janrinok> I'm just suggesting that perhaps it ought not be a link - I cannot think of an editorial use for it, and it doesn't seem to help the reader in any way.
[17:09:27] <michealpwalls> ONE of those links disables comments.. But makes no indication that it will do this.
[17:09:38] <michealpwalls> Ah, yes.. I like that ^
[17:09:58] <mattie_p> yeah, why need another link?
[17:10:14] <janrinok> just a word count as text would suffice
[17:10:18] <michealpwalls> That would very elegantly solve the problem.. 'cause you see now you would have 2 links.. One says 'Read More...xyz words' and another: 'x comments'. Although they both lead to the same place, but it's very pleasing to th eye.
[17:10:19] <xlefay> how about just stripping away that idiotic behavior? It isn't hard.. just remove the &mode=nocomment from the template
[17:10:46] <michealpwalls> Or that haha
[17:10:46] <janrinok> xlefay: yep, that would work too!
[17:10:53] <michealpwalls> But then th question, why 3 links to the same place? haha
[17:11:00] <michealpwalls> But only a pedantic crazy would mention that (wasntme)
[17:11:09] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Everything That's Wrong With American Innovation - http://sylnt.us - neckbeards-need-not-worry
[17:11:22] <xlefay> michealpwalls, hey.. don't mess with our redundancy!
[17:11:50] <janrinok> why, do you have a box full of links, xlefay, that you a trying to use up quickly?
[17:12:06] <xlefay> in all seriousness, I haven't got a clue.. I enjoy the suggest of 'rm'ing it
[17:12:31] <michealpwalls> lol!
[17:12:35] <xlefay> janrinok, xlefay was taken by 'them'
[17:12:48] <janrinok> damn - it was only a matter of time....
[17:12:51] <xlefay> oh shit. let's pretend that didn't happen..
[17:13:22] <janrinok> I shouldn't have written your name on the shovel that I used to bury the bodies....
[17:13:28] <xlefay> !grab janrinok
[17:13:28] <deadbeef> Added quote 128
[17:13:35] <xlefay> Wait what?
[17:13:35] <michealpwalls> On an unrelated note, that 'Science of Crucifixion' story is crazy!
[17:13:36] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:13:49] <xlefay> Well, that explains that then.
[17:13:52] <michealpwalls> The author made some interesting points, too.. About the physical fitness Jesus would have had to be in, etc.
[17:13:57] <michealpwalls> Interesting stuff!
[17:14:16] <michealpwalls> Also that it's probably the most paintful torture thought of by mankind LMAO. That's a hell of a title!
[17:14:22] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm glad you enjoyed reading about a physical fit Jesus!
[17:14:23] <janrinok> But I wouldn't want too many stories like that one though.
[17:14:29] <michealpwalls> LMAO xlefay!
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[17:14:34] <michealpwalls> You couldn't have made that sound more homosexual :(
[17:14:41] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[17:14:41] <deadbeef> Added quote 129
[17:14:43] <xlefay> Thank you.
[17:14:48] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:16:10] <janrinok> michealpwalls: you can laugh - you don't know what he is going to use all these quotes for, do you?
[17:16:28] <michealpwalls> lol
[17:16:40] <michealpwalls> Philanthropy, I always thought? :/
[17:17:00] <michealpwalls> Feed the poor/hungry (With quotes?)
[17:17:00] <janrinok> rofl
[17:17:18] <xlefay> Most definitely, fill their hearts with laughter.
[17:17:22] <janrinok> we will live to regret it - take my word for it
[17:17:22] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:17:29] <michealpwalls> We probably will :(
[17:18:41] <xlefay> You can rest assured knowing it's inevitable, so best not to even worry about it.
[17:18:52] <michealpwalls> How difficult would it be for http://soylentnews.org to redirect to https://soylentnews.org ? :/
[17:18:56] <michealpwalls> Basically forcing ssl?
[17:19:36] <xlefay> One day, you won't suspect and a thing and BAM, your face & a quote EVERYWHERE you look, on busses, billboards, porn side ads, and so forth!
[17:19:46] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:19:52] <michealpwalls> I'm sitting in a job interview one day...
[17:20:02] <michealpwalls> The dude slides a paper accross the table.. I flip it over and BAM..
[17:20:07] <michealpwalls> My face and a quote for #soylent
[17:20:08] <michealpwalls> :(
[17:20:20] <xlefay> michealpwalls, not hard at all.. in fact, we had that on dev for a while, not sure if that's still the case though.
[17:20:34] <xlefay> michealpwalls, that would kinda suck now wouldn't it?
[17:20:48] <michealpwalls> LOL well I guess it depends on the quote (drunk)
[17:21:08] <xlefay> (the first message about 'hard at all' and such, was about the SSL just fyi... ;-))
[17:21:35] <xlefay> michealpwalls, oh don't worry, I'm fairly sure we've got quite a few involving you
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[17:21:59] <michealpwalls> haha
[17:22:15] <Landon> :\ banned from freenode
[17:22:22] <Landon> *shake fist*
[17:22:22] <coffee> !grab Landon
[17:22:22] <deadbeef> Added quote 130
[17:22:24] <xlefay> what did you do?
[17:22:31] <Landon> klined for spamming while I was asleep
[17:22:33] <xlefay> michealpwalls, only 9
[17:22:56] <Landon> I can only hope their ban appeal goes muchmuchmuch faster than group registration
[17:23:00] <Landon> or I might be off until 2015
[17:23:04] <xlefay> Landon, spammer by nights, good guy by day?
[17:23:31] <Landon> apparently
[17:24:12] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm looking at those quotes that involve you and I'm rather scared about one that involves me o.O
[17:24:18] * xlefay notes he forgot about that one
[17:24:39] <michealpwalls> www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISGeYafLSXg
[17:24:41] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:24:50] <xlefay> something about rubber hoses and such...
[17:25:04] <michealpwalls> LMAO rubber hose cryptoanalysis surely :D
[17:25:19] <michealpwalls> I'm highly trained (flex)
[17:25:21] <xlefay> !quote Example
[17:25:22] <deadbeef> Quote 97 - <michealpwalls> Example: Say NCommander comes to xlefay's home with a large, heavy Rubber Hose. NCommander proceeds to beat xlefay with the large, Rubber Hose until xlefay logs into his/her account for NCommander to abuse. Stop that, Kerberos!
[17:25:30] <michealpwalls> hahaha
[17:25:33] * xlefay loves the "Stop that, Kerberos!" ending
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[17:25:48] <michealpwalls> I kill me
[17:26:01] <xlefay> You're platform agnostic, right? ;-)
[17:26:17] <michealpwalls> I like to think so ;)
[17:26:40] <crutchy> as long as its not windows?
[17:26:50] <xlefay> well,
[17:26:52] <xlefay> !quote agnostic
[17:26:52] <deadbeef> Quote 91 - <michealpwalls> I was all ".. whatevs, I'll try it. I'm platform agnostic!"
[17:27:01] <xlefay> I was wondering what that one was about again x'D
[17:27:14] <michealpwalls> haha oh I think that was the beginning of my Mandrake Linux experience...
[17:27:17] <michealpwalls> I dont' want to talk about it :(
[17:27:27] * xlefay also had a good laugh about 'Back "in the day" when right-click...'
[17:27:44] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:27:52] <xlefay> I'm guessing that quote also stems from Mandrake? ;-)
[17:28:04] <michealpwalls> Yea, the symbolic linking :(
[17:28:11] <xlefay> auch
[17:28:14] <michealpwalls> With no GUI indication that it's not a friggin' link :(
[17:28:26] <michealpwalls> err, not a friggin' copy but just a link
[17:28:31] <crutchy> i need a gui
[17:28:36] <xlefay> but at least, I bet it was fast!
[17:28:40] <crutchy> cli-only feels claustrophobic
[17:28:41] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[17:28:53] <michealpwalls> Fastest backup I've ever done, xlefay!
[17:28:56] <michealpwalls> :)
[17:29:03] * xlefay looks away from crutchy
[17:29:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I bet!
[17:29:34] <xlefay> what's wrong with a good ol' "rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" for back up?
[17:29:39] <xlefay> Isn't it _highly_ efficient?
[17:30:04] <xlefay> e.g. first you remove all data and then there's no more reason to backup!
[17:30:06] <crutchy> that's the command for spring cleaning
[17:30:11] <michealpwalls> You should post that on a Mac guide site, xlefay ;)
[17:30:15] <xlefay> I call that efficient.
[17:30:24] <michealpwalls> Like the kid that sold "anti-malware" to all those iOS users... LMAO.
[17:30:27] <michealpwalls> The greatest App ever sold.
[17:31:10] <xlefay> hmm
[17:31:31] <michealpwalls> For those that don't know: The app didn't do anything at all LOL.
[17:31:42] <xlefay> I hadn't heard of that (then again.. 'iOS' a.k.a 'notMineOS')
[17:32:13] <xlefay> hmm, that's quite impressive, michealpwalls I bet it was highly efficient!
[17:32:28] <michealpwalls> I haven't got an update, I hope the kid didn't get into any trouble. In my frank opinion, I dont' see what he did as much different than what McAffee and Symantec do..
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[17:33:13] <crutchy> michealpwalls++
[17:33:13] <deadbeef> karma - michealpwalls: 1
[17:33:24] <xlefay> It did exactly what it was created to do, nothing. Whether it's advertised or not is minor detail. That's like complaining about that situation where you go for a job and a quote or so shows up in your face. ;)
[17:33:33] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:33:56] <xlefay> I wonder though, how that would go
[17:33:59] <nick> good afternoon
[17:34:18] <crutchy> g'day nick
[17:34:23] <xlefay> I think, either, they'll love it and it gives you points or they'll hate it and you shouldn't work there anyway because they can't appreciate that your time is your time
[17:34:32] <michealpwalls> Yea
[17:34:32] <xlefay> mornin' n1
[17:34:51] <xlefay> fuck I could sell this service!
[17:35:08] <xlefay> "Pay me and I'll make sure you're potentially new employer will see your worst quote"
[17:35:26] <xlefay> I'd be just like most other company nowadays ;-)
[17:35:37] <xlefay> It'd*
[17:35:51] <xlefay> (yes, sarcasm)
[17:36:44] <xlefay> michealpwalls, think that'd work?
[17:37:01] * xlefay notes the service would get bought by facebook and the likes within months
[17:38:28] <crutchy> or copied
[17:38:35] <xlefay> hmm
[17:38:43] <xlefay> prolly
[17:39:00] <xlefay> (if it's not already being done, I mean there are dozens of companies out there who specialize in finding this kinda data)
[17:39:08] <crutchy> they prolly already have it in their business plan... they're in the *data collection* phase :-P
[17:39:15] <xlefay> Thinking, SN's quote db might need a robots.txt to prevent Google and shit from indexing
[17:39:25] <xlefay> but that'd only help so much
[17:39:35] <michealpwalls> web crawlers don't actually listen to those :P
[17:39:49] <michealpwalls> Same with Mozilla's fluffy do no track bit haha
[17:40:00] <xlefay> michealpwalls, actually, "good" ones do
[17:40:11] <michealpwalls> Also: I have this T-Shirt that says "Please don't rob me."; Would you like to buy it?! :)
[17:40:16] <crutchy> have it on a php script with a gtfo msg for googlebot user-agent
[17:40:28] <xlefay> the do not track bit isn't being respected by most social media and ad providers, not Mozilla's fault
[17:40:46] <xlefay> michealpwalls, also, note, DNT is also implemented in IE and such
[17:40:54] <michealpwalls> Yea but, if I can set Opera to send whatever user-agent I want... Do you honestly believe google's crawler is going to give a proper user-agent if it gets a response it didn't like the first time? LOL
[17:41:24] <xlefay> michealpwalls, about that t-shirt yeah, I'd love to have it!
[17:41:28] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[17:41:35] <crutchy> $Blacklist=array("facebook","google","mail","bot","spider","search","proxy","link","agent","crawl","mine","seek","auto","fish","check","hit","count","jeeves","include","script");
[17:41:38] <michealpwalls> Also a hat that says "Birds: Please don't poop here."
[17:41:39] <crutchy> this is what i use
[17:41:43] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I dunno.. think they would
[17:41:51] <xlefay> michealpwalls, damn, you've got all the good stuff eh?
[17:42:24] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:42:35] <michealpwalls> I'm prepared, man. Can't be too safe out there :P
[17:42:49] <xlefay> out where?
[17:42:58] <xlefay> The internet's a pretty safe place not to get bird pooped on!
[17:43:09] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:43:24] <crutchy> there would have to be an xkcd for that
[17:43:24] <xlefay> As for robbed.. I'm still a bit blinded by how a shirt is going to work but hey, better be safe and wear it anyway than sorry
[17:44:19] <xlefay> michealpwalls, you tried Ubuntu yet?
[17:44:34] <crutchy> debian > ubuntu
[17:44:38] <xlefay> Not trying to advocate it though, but if you want to do yourself a favor, you'll give it a try ;-)
[17:44:54] <michealpwalls> ubuntu server?
[17:44:56] <xlefay> crutchy, depends really on your needs. Ubuntu just comes with a whole lot more shiny
[17:45:00] <xlefay> michealpwalls, yeah
[17:45:10] <xlefay> it makes life pretty darn convenient
[17:45:25] <michealpwalls> My wife prefers ubuntu desktop, it's all over the place here. Although she doesn't realize it, her favorite system is *actually* running Gentoo with the Unity overlay installed (flex)
[17:45:31] <michealpwalls> That's our little secret, guys ;)
[17:45:38] <xlefay> michealpwalls, LOL
[17:45:39] * crutchy should really dist-upgrade to testing
[17:45:58] <michealpwalls> Haven't tried Ubuntu Server yet though, I'v eheard good things about it (From you, actually!)
[17:46:01] <michealpwalls> You and NCommander hehe
[17:46:15] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm especially impressed with the upgrade procedure.. It's literally one line - and I've done it on several VMs and.. "it just worked"
[17:46:32] <xlefay> do-release-upgrade and *bam* ~30-40 mins later, it's done & still all working ;-)
[17:46:48] <xlefay> crutchy, but you use debian...
[17:47:01] <xlefay> stable with old stuff is in your vains
[17:47:08] <crutchy> lol
[17:47:19] <xlefay> "old shiny" as I shall refer to it from now on
[17:47:31] <crutchy> hahaha
[17:47:41] <crutchy> sid is naughty
[17:47:48] <crutchy> that's where ubuntu comes from
[17:48:05] <michealpwalls> I like stable though
[17:48:09] <xlefay> crutchy, all that sexyness
[17:48:26] <michealpwalls> It's exactly what it claims to be heehee. Sometimes that's what you want...
[17:48:27] <xlefay> michealpwalls, then you'll like Ubuntu to, just stick with an LTS and maybe disable non-vital updates
[17:48:36] <crutchy> they should call it bewbuntu
[17:48:46] <crutchy> ubuntu... with bewbs
[17:48:52] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[17:48:52] <deadbeef> Added quote 131
[17:48:54] <michealpwalls> Something that's exhaustingly tested and not going to change unexpectedly from under you. Debian Stable(tm)
[17:49:03] <michealpwalls> Something you can depend on and stake the business on? LOL
[17:49:19] <xlefay> michealpwalls, which is essentially, Ubuntu LTS without non-vital upgrades
[17:49:26] <xlefay> (but with more shiny!)
[17:49:33] <michealpwalls> Shiny is bad for business
[17:49:37] <crutchy> and bewbs
[17:49:39] <xlefay> nope
[17:49:42] <michealpwalls> Look how deep Vista penetrated with all its shiny :P
[17:49:50] <xlefay> michealpwalls, not really.. shiny depends on your definition
[17:50:08] <crutchy> vista just had a big fat hairy ass... with no bewbs
[17:50:15] <xlefay> Shiny = good & stable stuff and stuff that saves time
[17:50:20] <michealpwalls> Btw: emerge --update --deep
[17:50:24] <michealpwalls> GG NO RE!
[17:50:44] <michealpwalls> If you're feel sporty, add a @world on the end of that
[17:50:46] <michealpwalls> (ninja)
[17:50:49] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm trying to avoid the obvious jokes here..
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[17:51:02] <michealpwalls> haha xlefay. That takes great restraint!
[17:51:09] <xlefay> You have no idea ha
[17:52:13] <xlefay> So I setted up about 4 VMs a day or two or so ago, all Ubuntu, got LDAP, kerberos, NFS and all done; when I install a VM, it auto gets put in LDAP & auto /home on NFS and all
[17:52:40] <xlefay> I'd like to see that being done in the short amount it took me with Ubuntu (I myself am impressed at how quickly that went)
[17:53:20] <xlefay> Then again Gentoo is more meant to adopt entirely to your hardware and such so there's no real comparison there
[17:53:24] <crutchy> i'd start by putting down my walking stick and getting my telescopic reading glasses on
[17:53:50] <crutchy> scratching my wrinkly old ass
[17:53:57] <michealpwalls> lol
[17:54:13] <xlefay> michealpwalls, sufficed to say.. I *may* have boarded the Ubuntu boat in it's entire..
[17:54:21] <xlefay> It's pretty neat :P
[17:54:31] <crutchy> xlefay... the titanic was shiny :-P
[17:54:36] <xlefay> auch!
[17:54:45] <xlefay> I do fear for that at times though..
[17:55:01] <michealpwalls> hehe, I really am platform agnostic to be fair :P
[17:55:15] <crutchy> ubuntu is still debian so its all good
[17:55:23] <crutchy> just with shiny bewbs
[17:55:23] <xlefay> with all the good shit of Ubuntu I've barely hit any bad shit so I'm just a bit afraid that one day I'll just hit the bad shit and it'll crash down upon me
[17:55:42] <michealpwalls> Ubuntu has many benefits. Easy and speed of installations is one that is for sure. The time to deploy is very short as well.
[17:55:51] <michealpwalls> Ubuntu has the widest 3rd-party support of any distribution.
[17:55:55] <xlefay> michealpwalls, very short is an overstatement tho
[17:56:04] <xlefay> Just take a look at vmbuilder for instance.
[17:56:26] <xlefay> You configure the basics, you say what you need, put it to build.. and a few minutes later, there it is, all ready and waiting
[17:56:31] <michealpwalls> Many vendors have dropdown lists with a label like "Select your distribution" and in the list there's literally "Ubuntu" and then a tarball (dull)
[17:56:32] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:56:43] <xlefay> yeah that's pretty convenient too
[17:57:00] <crutchy> debs are good though
[17:57:08] * xlefay particularly enjoys that fact that he can enjoy spotify without any fuzz
[17:57:21] <xlefay> you just add the repo and apt-get install spotify and it even integrates nicely with Unity!
[17:57:35] <xlefay> although the Unity name is rather ......... imo
[17:57:37] <crutchy> nothing worse than your radio caughing up a hairball
[17:58:17] <xlefay> but yeah, Ubuntu has it's fair share of stuff (least in the past, pulse audio debacle, Unity itself in the past, etc) kinda waiting for the next debacle
[17:58:20] <michealpwalls> Rhythmbox (Spelling?) is a great media player :)
[17:58:21] <xlefay> crutchy, rofl
[17:58:32] <xlefay> I bet it is, I still like my Spotify tho
[17:58:44] <michealpwalls> I never heard of that one
[17:58:47] <michealpwalls> I don't get out much :P
[17:58:48] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:59:05] <crutchy> michealpwalls: i use rhythmbox too, but i disable all the web shit
[17:59:14] <xlefay> Sptofy's more of a service with a client though. You've got a free package - but also a paid one, so essentially, you're streaming from spotify
[17:59:24] <michealpwalls> Amarok is an awesome media player, although it's QT so if you're on a pure Gnome system it will seem like a big pig
[17:59:28] <xlefay> if you pay, you also help artists themselves, etc..
[17:59:35] <michealpwalls> 'cause it'll drag in the entire stack when it starts up LOL
[17:59:42] <xlefay> Amarok's weirdly dependent on MySQl so screw it
[17:59:48] <michealpwalls> Me too, crutchy
[17:59:49] <crutchy> i've used audacious cos i used to use winamp (the old one before it turned shitty)
[18:00:01] <michealpwalls> Ah, I'm too poor to pay for anything xlefay :X
[18:00:03] <crutchy> but its less stable than rhythmbox
[18:00:03] <xlefay> audacious is neat & simple, I liked that one
[18:00:20] <michealpwalls> On windows I use vlc, iunno what else to use LMAO
[18:00:27] <michealpwalls> Windows Media Player is.. a disaster LOL!
[18:00:27] <crutchy> vlc is awesome!
[18:00:29] <xlefay> michealpwalls, me too unfortunately, I just decided to pay the last time (it's 10 bucks a month so .. but I really shouldn't be paying but meh)
[18:00:30] <crutchy> vlc++
[18:00:30] <deadbeef> karma - vlc: 1
[18:00:36] <michealpwalls> It's like a 4,000 lbs gorilla
[18:00:40] <michealpwalls> "GRR GIMMIE YO MEDIA!"
[18:00:41] <xlefay> although, MPD ftw!
[18:00:49] <michealpwalls> Media Player Classic?
[18:00:52] <xlefay> No...
[18:00:53] <michealpwalls> Iunno what MPD is hehe
[18:00:57] <xlefay> Music Player Daemon
[18:01:04] <michealpwalls> Hrmm!
[18:01:07] <crutchy> vlc is the only player that i've found that can allow me to watch dvds without worrying about country codes
[18:01:10] <xlefay> How can you not know?! It's the best media player, ever.
[18:01:16] <michealpwalls> lol
[18:01:31] <xlefay> crutchy, XBMC's pretty good at that too, but VLC's the best lightweight alternative
[18:01:42] <michealpwalls> mpd sounds weird
[18:01:49] <xlefay> michealpwalls, how so?
[18:01:59] <crutchy> pdo sounds weird too
[18:02:02] <crutchy> creepy even
[18:02:19] <xlefay> MPD runs as a daemon and you can have a pick at a frontend (say, a CLI or a GUI one); a bonus is that you can stream quite easily ;-)
[18:02:20] <michealpwalls> Well, iunno. I just dont' get it LOL. Lemme read more I guess :P
[18:02:30] <michealpwalls> Why would you want to do that? Haha
[18:02:35] <xlefay> crutchy, 'php data objects' that's how I unweird it every time
[18:02:47] <xlefay> michealpwalls, e.g. when you've got multiple computers or w/e
[18:02:57] <xlefay> or you're away from home and you want to listen via wifi or w/e
[18:02:58] <michealpwalls> Ohh
[18:03:13] <xlefay> (e.g. via phone, wifi <-> internets <-> home PC)
[18:03:22] <michealpwalls> So it's more of a media streaming server?
[18:03:25] <xlefay> It's pretty darn good
[18:03:32] <xlefay> for music and stuff yea'
[18:03:35] <michealpwalls> Like, jah what did I use to use way back when... *thinks*
[18:04:01] <crutchy> before they had the internet on computers?
[18:04:02] <xlefay> Although I suppose you can just have a NAS with all the media on and stuff :P
[18:04:10] <michealpwalls> I used to do that 'cause the school was retarded.. I had a media streaming server at home with no domain and would stream from my ip address. Seemed to be th eonly way to get a good stream in the school network LOL
[18:04:12] <michealpwalls> LMAO crutchy
[18:04:13] <xlefay> crutchy, or, before pcp/ip?
[18:04:18] <michealpwalls> pcp!
[18:04:20] <crutchy> :-D
[18:04:22] <michealpwalls> That's the hardcore network
[18:04:30] <xlefay> michealpwalls, you got that straight
[18:05:06] <michealpwalls> It was nice though 'cause I had all my gigantic collection of music follow me around on each device..
[18:05:22] <xlefay> According to Chromas, it's 'porn collection protocol' ;-)
[18:05:29] <crutchy> lol yeah
[18:05:29] <xlefay> pcp/ip
[18:05:45] <michealpwalls> Without actually taking the large volume of data around. Meh. Pretty silly with cheap usb memory sticks now but whatevs, I do what I want *flicks hair*
[18:05:46] * xlefay waits for michealpwalls to realize his "hardcore network" comment ;-)
[18:06:05] <xlefay> michealpwalls, yeah :P
[18:06:21] <crutchy> crutchy joins dots
[18:06:26] <michealpwalls> .. But as a media *player*, though...
[18:06:31] <michealpwalls> That sounds like crazytalk, xlefay :P
[18:06:34] <crutchy> lol crutchy forgets how to use irc client
[18:06:49] <crutchy> crutchy should be in bed
[18:06:53] <crutchy> at 2am
[18:07:14] <michealpwalls> Most of the players support *some* form of interprocess communication. On your Ubuntu system for example, rhythmbox can receive commands over DBus..
[18:07:27] <michealpwalls> So you can pause/skip etc. via dbus messages..
[18:07:29] <xlefay> michealpwalls, actually I'm wrong, it apparently, doesn't play remotely
[18:07:40] <xlefay> although I'm fairly sure, I used to play it remotely anyway
[18:07:51] <xlefay> probably used some magic way to redirect output somehow
[18:08:01] <michealpwalls> "magic sauce"
[18:08:03] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:08:15] <xlefay> http://mpd.wikia.com
[18:08:19] <xlefay> looking at it now.. it's pretty lame
[18:08:55] <michealpwalls> I think rhythmbox might also have a light wait streaming server, although I could be wrong
[18:09:21] <xlefay> Suppose one could just set up a shoutcast server if they really wanted to.. guess a NAS would just be more efficient, throw in a little VPN
[18:09:21] <crutchy> my rhythmbox just farted
[18:09:25] <michealpwalls> Ew!
[18:09:27] <crutchy> :-(
[18:09:34] <xlefay> crutchy, does it stink?
[18:09:46] <crutchy> i had to kill it
[18:10:15] <xlefay> Oh my, yes, that stinks
[18:11:17] <xlefay> anyway imma go sleep, michealpwalls you'll hold on to that t-shirt and hat for me? ;-)
[18:11:27] <michealpwalls> Of course
[18:11:31] <michealpwalls> My #1 customer
[18:11:31] <michealpwalls> :)
[18:11:59] <xlefay> Awesome ;-)
[18:12:11] <xlefay> Have a nice day people!
[18:12:17] <xlefay> Ciao crutchy & michealpwalls ;-)
[18:12:17] <crutchy> night xlefay. thanks for the chat
[18:12:30] <xlefay> you too, I'll get that stupid issue fixed tomorrow ;-)
[18:12:38] <crutchy> sounds good :-)
[18:13:07] <michealpwalls> Take care!
[18:13:11] <crutchy> want me to bug out of xanlan?
[18:13:24] <michealpwalls> LOL is that some kind of IT lingo?
[18:13:26] <xlefay> up to you
[18:13:40] <michealpwalls> I'm not "hip" to your IT "jive", sorry.
[18:13:41] <michealpwalls> :)
[18:13:49] <crutchy> i guess you can always bug me out if you need to :-P
[18:14:04] <crutchy> lol @ michealpwalls
[18:14:15] <xlefay> michealpwalls, actually, that's my private IRC test server, for ya guess it 'testing' stuff, it runs on a VM in my local lan (hence, 'xanlan') ;-)
[18:14:26] <crutchy> i just pretend i know what xlefay's talking about :-P
[18:14:34] <michealpwalls> Jah!
[18:14:42] <xlefay> don't worry, most people do
[18:14:48] <michealpwalls> LOL crutchy. Atta boy!
[18:15:15] <michealpwalls> You can tell crutchy has a lot of experience in large org.
[18:15:20] <michealpwalls> Just smile and agree with the boss
[18:15:22] <crutchy> lol
[18:15:25] <michealpwalls> "Yup, that's a great idea!"
[18:15:26] <crutchy> :-D
[18:15:27] <michealpwalls> :)
[18:15:36] <crutchy> xlefay's way smarter than me though
[18:15:47] <xlefay> ugh, just yesterday I had a huge discussion with someone I shall not name and we agreed on the same damn thing but we were obviously not understanding one another...
[18:15:48] <crutchy> so he prolly knows when i'm bullshitting
[18:16:21] <michealpwalls> hehe to be honest yea, I've learn quite a bit from chatting with xlefay ;)
[18:16:34] <xlefay> say what now? ;)
[18:16:36] <crutchy> yeah
[18:17:12] <crutchy> this is where xlefay says "pull your tongue outta my arse hole... dogs do that"
[18:17:17] <crutchy> :-P
[18:17:17] <xlefay> ok, michealpwalls, in all seriousness, besides the obvious ubuntu love & the love for "don't rob me" t-shirts, what could you have possibly learnt from me? ;)
[18:17:34] <xlefay> besides.. the quotes also!
[18:17:35] <crutchy> gotta love snatch
[18:17:37] <michealpwalls> (smoke)
[18:17:51] <xlefay> michealpwalls, aah smoking's good for you, trust me!
[18:17:59] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:18:02] <crutchy> pcp/ip is better
[18:18:32] <xlefay> I fully agree crutchy, but only if the hardcore setting is enabled as per michealpwalls's suggestion earlier
[18:18:43] <crutchy> or the -o option
[18:18:44] <xlefay> Naturally, we'll need to write an RFC and extend it over time.
[18:18:55] <crutchy> RFC8008135?
[18:19:00] <xlefay> Can never be to safe with PCP items.
[18:19:13] <michealpwalls> If hardcore isn't enabled, you're doing it wrong :P
[18:19:42] <xlefay> crutchy, that would be an acceptable name, but before we decide, let's hold a vote via e-mail.. ;-)
[18:20:02] <xlefay> michealpwalls, is that why you use Gentoo? So you can bang that 'emerge' deeper? ;-)
[18:20:02] <crutchy> we'll need to program a program to program the email first
[18:20:10] <michealpwalls> I learn quite a bit picking your brain about IT topics, xlefay. Esp. the way SoylentNews is setup :)
[18:20:15] <xlefay> crutchy, don't forget the redundancy!
[18:20:20] <michealpwalls> haha the deeper the better (flex)
[18:20:21] <crutchy> yes
[18:20:27] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[18:20:27] <deadbeef> Added quote 132
[18:20:34] <xlefay> We will continue to abuse that sentence soon enough.
[18:20:42] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:20:43] <crutchy> michealpwalls: s/flex/bend/
[18:20:48] <crutchy> doh
[18:20:51] <xlefay> LOL
[18:21:01] <xlefay> You just made it hundred times worse crutchy LOL
[18:21:11] <michealpwalls> So what uses that syntax, I must ask?
[18:21:26] * xlefay just imagined his response to that inquiry
[18:21:30] <michealpwalls> In vi it would be :s/old/new
[18:21:48] <xlefay> it'd be somewhere along the lines of: "This sounds like a rather intimate inquiry, are you sure?"
[18:22:00] <xlefay> michealpwalls, s/vi/emacs *holy war!*/
[18:22:01] <SedBot> <xlefay> <michealpwalls> In emacs *holy war!* it would be :s/old/new
[18:22:05] <crutchy> we should make a bot for such enquiries
[18:22:06] * xlefay notes he hates emacs.. but meh
[18:22:09] <michealpwalls> *ducks*
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[18:22:21] <xlefay> lies ^
[18:22:36] <michealpwalls> To be brave and honest.. I don't know emacs
[18:22:39] <xlefay> Oh my.. he just d/c from NerdRPG!
[18:22:45] <crutchy> !!!!
[18:22:51] <crutchy> what's that penalty?
[18:22:52] <michealpwalls> .. freeBSD hearded me blindly into learning vi and that is what I have always used ever since..
[18:22:54] <michealpwalls> :/
[18:22:55] <xlefay> michealpwalls, me either but I'm just rolling with the general consensus on this one, can't possibly admit to that.
[18:23:04] <crutchy> gedit++
[18:23:04] <deadbeef> karma - gedit: 1
[18:23:09] <michealpwalls> LMAO gedit
[18:23:13] <xlefay> So, in case anyone dares to ask, I'm not admitting nor denying that the previous statement is true
[18:23:25] <michealpwalls> That's just crazytalk. If it has to have a GUI, please crutchy checkout Geany.
[18:23:30] <michealpwalls> Do yourself a favor and be one with the Geny.
[18:23:31] <xlefay> EEEEk
[18:23:36] <michealpwalls> Geany
[18:23:41] <xlefay> michealpwalls, s/Geany/Sublime Text/
[18:23:41] <SedBot> <xlefay> <michealpwalls> Sublime Text
[18:23:44] <michealpwalls> s/Geny/Geany/
[18:23:46] <xlefay> Geany is utterly fugly
[18:23:56] <michealpwalls> But Geany is amazing! So elegant..
[18:23:59] <crutchy> line numbers and syntax highlighting and tabs are all i need
[18:24:09] <crutchy> and coffee
[18:24:11] * xlefay honest ST is so much more!
[18:24:17] <xlefay> crutchy, don't forget pcp
[18:24:24] <michealpwalls> It's very powerful but in a very minimalist/lightweight way
[18:24:36] <xlefay> michealpwalls, yeah, that's why you install package control and extend that shit :P
[18:24:55] <crutchy> i even turn most features of gedit off
[18:24:56] <xlefay> I used to love the auto complete, auto doc blocks, etc....
[18:25:09] <xlefay> It's just so darn convenient!
[18:25:12] <michealpwalls> If you put it in a headlock and wisper nice things in it's ear, you can make Geany into a very powerful IDE. Console, Debugger, Compiler, Code Snippets and extensible code completion/hinting (Using tag files)
[18:25:22] <crutchy> delphi++
[18:25:22] <deadbeef> karma - delphi: 3
[18:25:23] <xlefay> michealpwalls, for what language?
[18:25:56] <xlefay> General language IDE's are nice.. but generally nowhere near as good as language specific IDE's
[18:26:13] <michealpwalls> xlefay: A ridiculous amount of languages, comparable easily to Gedit and Kate
[18:26:24] <michealpwalls> With the tag files you can put your own in, like for jquery and etc.
[18:26:39] <xlefay> It's like casting a vote via e-mail instead of a natural/normal way ;-)
[18:26:42] <michealpwalls> To extend it's support of completion/hinting of libraries like node.js and jquery,jquery-ui
[18:26:51] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I've used Geany and I wasn't impressed
[18:26:59] <michealpwalls> That's true though, xlefay.. If you want a full blown IDE you want a dedicated one
[18:27:05] <xlefay> In fact, I found it a nuisance compared to ST for instance
[18:27:11] <michealpwalls> Like for serious PHP projects, as weird as it sounds, i use Netbeans lately..
[18:27:16] <xlefay> Then again, I like ST a lot because it's really natural
[18:27:27] <michealpwalls> NetBeans-8 with the full PHP stack is pretty fucking good.
[18:27:30] <xlefay> I've found ST (which isn't an IDE at all) to be extremely natural in the way you do things
[18:27:32] <michealpwalls> Xdebug support and etc.
[18:27:40] <xlefay> Is NetBeans still as slow as it always was?
[18:27:49] <michealpwalls> No, actually that's why I switched from Eclipse to nb...
[18:28:02] <xlefay> Even on a high-end system the netbeans shit was so slow but that was years or so ago
[18:28:10] <michealpwalls> It starts up pretty fast on my laptop and it's not clunky. Eclipse is just jeeeesus it's big :/
[18:28:16] <michealpwalls> I love them both, don't get me wrong..
[18:28:56] <xlefay> michealpwalls, perhaps it's not for you, but you might want to take a look at phpStorm, unfortunately not OpenSource, but it's *extremely* good, when I'll have money, I'll stop removing the .webide folder to gain a longer trial and just pay for a damn license
[18:29:15] <michealpwalls> Yea there's a few I want to checkout when I'm not so piss-poor..
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[18:29:23] <xlefay> you _might_ wish to take a drive via the trial, I can't compare it to Netbeans though, but it's amazingly fast
[18:29:25] <michealpwalls> But for now I am stuck with the free/open source ones :/
[18:29:39] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I've found that they generally suck :~/
[18:29:50] <xlefay> _generally_
[18:29:51] <NCommander> any breakage?
[18:29:58] <Landon> xlefay: what are we talking about?
[18:30:00] <xlefay> but if netbeans as you said, is pretty darn good, that's cool
[18:30:13] <xlefay> Landon, PHP IDE's
[18:30:15] * NCommander has been waiting for the site to explode
[18:30:25] <Landon> yeah, but which one?
[18:30:29] <michealpwalls> Landon: IDE for PHP apps, mostly
[18:30:29] <xlefay> NCommander, not that I've heard
[18:30:34] <Landon> intellijerbs?
[18:30:34] <crutchy> NCommander: need to push the plunger first
[18:30:35] <xlefay> Landon, geany, netbeans, phpstorm
[18:30:46] <Landon> jetbrains++
[18:30:46] <deadbeef> karma - jetbrains: 1
[18:30:51] <xlefay> oh and non-IDE's: Gedit & ST
[18:30:55] <Landon> can't wait to see the C++ monstrosity they cook up
[18:30:55] <NCommander> xlefay: eclipse w the php plugin is usable
[18:30:59] <xlefay> jetbrains++ <3
[18:31:00] <deadbeef> karma - jetbrains: 2
[18:31:05] * NCommander has a working phone again
[18:31:07] <michealpwalls> Yea Geany is close to the non-ide spectrum
[18:31:34] <xlefay> Usability is nice, but I want way more than that. I want a lot of stuff that's actually nicely integrated, say, unit testing, auto docblocks, xdebug and the list goes on ;-)
[18:31:39] <michealpwalls> It can be tuned to be very close to an ide, but I think in comparison to a full-blown IDE like say netbeans or eclipse it's lacking
[18:31:40] <xlefay> phpstorm provides you with _all_ that
[18:31:55] <NCommander> crutchy: need some to shit first. no point plunging an empty bowl
[18:31:56] <michealpwalls> I haven't checked that out, will def. put it on my list :)
[18:32:23] <xlefay> michealpwalls, you can just use the trial, I feel guilty that I've been shifting around the trial :/
[18:32:24] <crutchy> !grab ncommander
[18:32:24] <deadbeef> Added quote 133
[18:32:30] <NCommander> check out cluster; its awesome
[18:32:32] <xlefay> but I haven't got the money to buy it yet :/
[18:32:40] <michealpwalls> The biggest thing is debugging and refactoring for me. Netbeans does pretty good code refactoring with PHP applications. It has work to do though (refactoring filenames...)
[18:32:45] <NCommander> * glustser
[18:32:50] <xlefay> .. then you haven't seen phpstorm yet ;-)
[18:33:08] <xlefay> phpstorm chugs that shit out like it's nothing
[18:33:25] <michealpwalls> jah really? I will def. check it out soon rather than later :D
[18:33:30] <NCommander> doesn't refactoring php mean rewriting it in Perl or python :-)
[18:33:39] <michealpwalls> LMAO NCommander
[18:33:41] <NCommander> (or J2EE)
[18:33:51] <xlefay> NCommander, nah, we're pros here, we'll refactor it into Ruby ;-)
[18:33:54] * xlefay ducks
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[18:34:03] <NCommander> ..........mm....
[18:34:10] <crutchy> or VB
[18:34:21] <xlefay> Screw that, ASP.NET oughta be enough for anybody
[18:34:33] <michealpwalls> Ruby is so popular right now. I havent' even seen much of it, nevermind learn it LOL
[18:34:38] <NCommander> honestly and I'm not sure if this is Stockholm syndrome but I find Perl is a decent web language
[18:34:46] <xlefay> .. stockholm for sure
[18:34:46] <michealpwalls> Honestly ASP.NET is awesome, you take that back xlefay!
[18:34:47] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:35:02] <mattie_p> michaelpwalls, just modified my first portion of slashcode, created a pull request to resolve that issue you were talking about earlier
[18:35:04] <michealpwalls> ASP.NET with C#. Champion!
[18:35:11] <xlefay> michealpwalls, will you be here tomorrow? I'll skin you alive for free!
[18:35:13] <crutchy> xlefay: ncommander needs some pcp/ip
[18:35:15] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:35:20] <mattie_p> course, it only deletes one line of code, but its a start
[18:35:21] <NCommander> quick rewrite slash in assembler against libcgi
[18:35:29] <michealpwalls> Awesome mattie_p!
[18:35:40] <xlefay> NCommander, I've found RoR itself to be a fucking mess
[18:35:44] <NCommander> cruntchy: NAK
[18:35:47] <xlefay> scaffolding's *awesome* but man..
[18:36:11] <xlefay> but on the bright side, there's a library out there for pretty much everything
[18:36:17] <xlefay> crutchy, rofl!
[18:36:22] <NCommander> ruby is a fucking joke. the only reason anyone cares is its popular in Japan
[18:36:25] <xlefay> or as they say "gem"
[18:36:33] <xlefay> or least.. I think they call it gems... but w/e
[18:36:35] <michealpwalls> xlefay: That's why I am beginning to really appreciate Java :D
[18:36:49] <NCommander> honestly ...
[18:36:52] <xlefay> NCommander, Ruby is.. but it's popularity unfortunately isn't
[18:36:56] <NCommander> if we rewrote slash
[18:37:11] <NCommander> I'd consider J2EE heavily
[18:37:12] <xlefay> Please just say, ASP.NET so michealpwalls explodes
[18:37:26] <xlefay> Oh well
[18:37:31] <crutchy> microsoft access ftw!
[18:37:37] <michealpwalls> If you guys rewrite slash (No sarcasm) I will definately make time to help with the work. Just don't pick some crazy foreign language LMAO
[18:37:56] <crutchy> so no perl
[18:38:03] <xlefay> NCommander, everyday I'm actually starting to like the idea of PHP.. like you said before, it can scale pretty good
[18:38:35] <xlefay> There's a ton of people who can actually write _decent_ code (well.. granted, most PHPers can't, but that's not the bunch here, fortunately)
[18:38:44] <crutchy> like me :-P
[18:38:51] * crutchy hides
[18:38:53] <michealpwalls> I could do perl, although I'd need some study period before hand to get back into it. My only argument ever against perl is that it's trending downward... For looking to the future I just dont' think it makes much sense to stick with it with the interest of increasing volunteer developers...
[18:39:04] <michealpwalls> You want to *decrease* the barriers to volunteers joining the dev team, right?
[18:39:05] <xlefay> Believe it or not, I've seen way, way worse code crutchy
[18:39:14] <xlefay> yours isn't bad at all
[18:39:19] <xlefay> It's a bit untidy.. but bad? nah
[18:39:31] <crutchy> i should call my code "COBBLE"
[18:39:52] * xlefay notes he sucks at giving compliments. but that was in fact, a compliment
[18:40:06] <crutchy> thanks xlefay :-)
[18:40:11] <NCommander> crap last messages didn't go through
[18:40:18] <crutchy> ech fuck it's 2.40 am
[18:40:22] <crutchy> night
[18:40:24] <NCommander> no
[18:40:27] <NCommander> night
[18:40:29] <xlefay> crutchy, take comfort that it's only 18:40 here
[18:40:34] <xlefay> good night
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[18:40:48] <xlefay> NCommander, which message was that?
[18:41:04] <NCommander> why I'm so hesitant to rewrite
[18:41:38] <NCommander> honestly once we stripped out the JavaScript we got a massive performance increase
[18:41:41] <xlefay> There are dozens of reasons not to rewrite.. but I think we should at least give it some serious thoughts and review the situation
[18:41:57] <NCommander> agrees
[18:41:58] <xlefay> That's the only way we can make a valid and proper decision for the next, say, 15 years or so
[18:42:22] <michealpwalls> I agree with what xlefay saying though. PHP leaves a lot up to the dev.. You can easily write very aweful PHP or very elegant PHP.
[18:42:27] <michealpwalls> It entirely depends on the developer hehe
[18:42:38] <NCommander> well I don't think we are ready to have the discussion yet
[18:42:49] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm actually setting up a QA team so, we'll have that covered soon enough
[18:42:59] <xlefay> but that's not related to PHP itself
[18:43:01] <xlefay> NCommander, agreed
[18:43:04] <NCommander> and I'd do it incremently w/ db compatible between the two code bases
[18:43:11] <xlefay> Also.. you know we can pre-load a lot of shit right?
[18:43:13] <michealpwalls> One thing about PHP is that you can do Unit Testing nicely..
[18:43:21] <michealpwalls> Which is to make QA very automated..
[18:43:27] <xlefay> michealpwalls, eh.. depends on the code really, but that's with almost every language
[18:43:35] <NCommander> Perl does unit tests well. we just don't have any
[18:43:48] <xlefay> NCommander, we should consider pre-loading JS and stuff
[18:43:48] <michealpwalls> Oh
[18:43:59] <michealpwalls> NCommander: I didn't know that!
[18:44:01] <NCommander> xlefay: what is?
[18:44:13] <NCommander> we got rid of almost all of it
[18:44:21] <NCommander> only Adkins get jquery
[18:44:22] <xlefay> let me just figure out if I've got the right term here
[18:44:25] <xlefay> _it's been a while_
[18:44:28] <NCommander> Adkins
[18:44:57] <michealpwalls> Well, yes I suppose hypothetically you could implement your own unit testing framework in any language haha but I meant the new object model in PHP makes unit testing really easy to implement\
[18:45:19] <NCommander> Perl has make test on basically everything
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[18:45:28] <xlefay> NCommander, well, essentially, what I mean is, having one small JS file that loads the rest of JS after the page's loaded
[18:45:30] <michealpwalls> Oh that's pretty cool, I didn't know that
[18:45:50] <michealpwalls> xlefay: I never have good luck with that, but I've seen it done well...
[18:45:50] <xlefay> load times will still be fast and unneeded but nice enhancements will be available if JS is already enabled and loaded after all the rest is
[18:46:03] <michealpwalls> xlefay: Everytime I try to implement it, it works well in some browsers but not all devices :(
[18:46:03] <NCommander> xlefay what is
[18:46:08] <NCommander> is
[18:46:11] <xlefay> Essentially, if someone has JS disabled, it won't even load the JS files
[18:46:14] <NCommander> JS
[18:46:23] <xlefay> If someone has JS enabled, it'll "load" the JS after the page itself is loaded
[18:46:24] <NCommander> we got rid of it *all*
[18:46:31] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm talking about the future..
[18:46:33] <michealpwalls> xlefay: Using JQuery though. If you load JQuery then use $.getScript, or whatever it is
[18:46:37] <xlefay> we're not going no-JS at all, right?
[18:46:48] <NCommander> except dyn commenting and thats loaded at the end of the page
[18:46:48] <xlefay> e.g. for enhancements and such?
[18:47:04] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I think that's one way yea
[18:47:22] <michealpwalls> Whenever I try to do it manually, implement it on my own I mean, I failed :P
[18:47:26] <michealpwalls> And gave up and used jquery LOL
[18:47:27] * xlefay honestly likes JS if it makes things better for the user
[18:47:38] <NCommander> xlefay: site should be fully functional !JS but we can use it
[18:47:50] <xlefay> NCommander, which is exactly what I mean with "enhancements" :)
[18:48:17] <NCommander> D2 and fire hose are examples of JS abuse
[18:48:24] <michealpwalls> We did a few weeks of that topic...
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[18:48:31] <xlefay> Although sometimes I think some site JS muckes up my vimperator :/
[18:48:51] <xlefay> michealpwalls, jQuery is an awesome library tho ;)
[18:48:51] <NCommander> the way I want to do it
[18:49:02] <NCommander> new functionality goes in HTML first
[18:49:16] <NCommander> then write grease monkey scripts to prototype
[18:49:25] <NCommander> then migrate server side
[18:49:27] <michealpwalls> There's different approaches you can take I think what xlefay's describing is graceful degredation or incremental improvement. You can detect browser features and turn on enhancements as they are proven to be supported...
[18:49:35] <michealpwalls> *or* you can target the lowest common denominator..
[18:49:35] <xlefay> hmm.. That's actually the weirdest way I've heard of NCommander
[18:49:45] <michealpwalls> Like, the lowest feature set out there
[18:50:01] <NCommander> it ensures the site works well without JS
[18:50:03] <xlefay> I've always found it more efficient to just write the regular code first, ensure it's all working, then just write the JS code, if it all works, merge
[18:50:17] <xlefay> (of course, you write the JS after testing the non-JS stuff..)
[18:50:19] <Cyprus> yeah that sounds really painful to work under
[18:50:24] <NCommander> that works too
[18:50:32] <michealpwalls> For example.. The way Slashdot Beta is done is absolutely, fundamentally wrong. That's an example of how *not* to do things. If you think about it, it fits none of those catagories..
[18:50:33] <coffee> !grab michealpwalls
[18:50:33] <deadbeef> Added quote 134
[18:50:33] <NCommander> I am not a webdev
[18:50:38] <xlefay> having to do greasemonkey first just adds another step that pains shit
[18:50:50] <NCommander> eh k
[18:50:54] <Cyprus> yeah, its easier just to not attach the js
[18:50:57] <NCommander> fair enough
[18:51:03] <xlefay> michealpwalls, indeed
[18:51:23] <xlefay> NCommander, good thing you're surrounded by some here then (myself included) ;-)
[18:51:48] <michealpwalls> Yea although I'm not actually a web developer, per se, what I am overlaps quite a bit with web development :D
[18:51:56] <michealpwalls> And I have quite a bit of experience hehe
[18:52:13] <Cyprus> i'm not sure i'd admit to being an experienced web developer =)
[18:52:17] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:52:18] <NCommander> I honestly want to know the thought process that went into beta
[18:52:23] <michealpwalls> I know, that's the problem Cyprus..
[18:52:25] <Cyprus> they're like the lemmings of the coding world
[18:52:28] <NCommander> how do you fail that bad
[18:52:29] <michealpwalls> Once you do.. You end up getting *more* work doing it
[18:52:48] <Cyprus> i.e. coding's retard =)
[18:52:50] <michealpwalls> And the next friggin' thing you know, you have more damned web dev. work to show in an interveiw than the work you're actually trained to do :(
[18:53:08] <xlefay> NCommander, ironically, if you remove the userbase from the equation, they didn't fail at all
[18:53:19] <Cyprus> i wasn't even going down that path, i was more looking at it from the "hurdur i made website pretty!"
[18:53:24] <NCommander> ????
[18:53:59] <xlefay> NCommander, the design itself was pretty solid for a general news site, but the /. user base (us) didn't want such a fancy design with all that JS, images and god, that stuff they did with the width...
[18:54:08] <michealpwalls> The *design* is nice...
[18:54:13] <michealpwalls> But the implementation is *aweful*
[18:54:24] <michealpwalls> It's really amateur :/
[18:54:37] <Cyprus> michealpwalls: that word, i don't think it means what you think it means =)
[18:54:43] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I hated most of it though
[18:54:54] <xlefay> like people said before, they're focussing on a new user base
[18:55:00] <NCommander> xlefay disagree. its just horrendous all around IMHO
[18:55:09] <Cyprus> xlefay: s/user base/audience/
[18:55:09] <SedBot> <Cyprus> <xlefay> like people said before, they're focussing on a new audience
[18:55:14] <michealpwalls> I couldn't possibly come up with a better, or even equiv. design. That's really nice and attractive. Definately not what I do... But in terms of how they *implemented* that design/behavior concept, it's really quite amateur-hour hehe
[18:55:20] <NCommander> gtg
[18:55:28] <michealpwalls> Sorry, yea aweful is wrong word
[18:55:31] <xlefay> NCommander, I didn't say I liked it, I said, from a designers stand point, it's a solid design (e.g. solid framework, etc)
[18:55:37] <michealpwalls> That means it's full of awe haha. I mean to say it's absolutely terrible
[18:55:51] <Cyprus> amazing what 1 letter can do *grins*
[18:56:19] <xlefay> Cyprus, that s/// ;-)
[18:56:24] <michealpwalls> hehe
[18:56:37] * Cyprus chuckles
[18:56:55] <xlefay> michealpwalls, coming up with a better design is simple.. just change the colors @ slashdot classic a tint and there you have it!
[18:57:02] <Cyprus> if we were really honest, it would be "product"
[18:57:08] <xlefay> (if you really need to make a better design, that is)
[18:57:23] <michealpwalls> hah I can't design anything
[18:57:38] <Cyprus> just throw comic sans and some color at the screen
[18:57:41] <Cyprus> it'll pop
[18:57:47] <xlefay> The foundation and shit of /. beta is good though (bootstrap and such)
[18:57:57] <michealpwalls> Even colors... I use a program to generate a colour pallete..
[18:57:57] <xlefay> EEEK
[18:58:01] <xlefay> Comic sans? :)
[18:58:10] * Cyprus hides from the designers in the room
[18:58:12] <michealpwalls> I give it a color which I want and it gives me a set that "matches" it haha
[18:58:20] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I'm not a web designer though.. I generally just look around and grab a few
[18:58:25] <michealpwalls> I pick fonts based on requirements...
[18:58:32] <xlefay> <-- web developer, not designer ;-)
[18:58:54] <michealpwalls> So for the last thing I built, one of the requirements was a massive device support.. It was crazy. So that basically dictated (In my opinion) the font that was used..
[18:59:10] <Cyprus> comic sans is the answer to everything
[18:59:12] <xlefay> which was?
[18:59:13] <michealpwalls> It was the sarif one, sans-sarif or whatever the fuck. Supported on everything, even linux hehe
[18:59:35] <xlefay> sans-serif
[18:59:38] <michealpwalls> That's it
[18:59:45] <xlefay> oops sorry
[18:59:54] <michealpwalls> Something like that, anyways :P
[19:00:02] <xlefay> I've got slight bit of designer nazi in me.. :(
[19:00:15] <xlefay> Although you don't have to be so specific to dislike comic sans!
[19:00:26] <Cyprus> but it pops!
[19:00:33] <xlefay> (although, I loved writing stuff in it for school once upon a time, just to piss teachers off;-))
[19:00:44] <xlefay> Of course, the part where I always got one point lower because of it kinda sucked
[19:01:02] <xlefay> Cyprus, it sure does ;-)
[19:01:09] <xlefay> It also makes people make funny faces
[19:01:49] <Cyprus> http://a1.s6img.com
[19:01:58] <xlefay> =)
[19:02:02] <michealpwalls> I don't even know what comic sans is. It is as ridiculous as Wingdings?
[19:02:07] <michealpwalls> Wingdings is hilarious
[19:02:16] <xlefay> michealpwalls, don't ever look at comic sans. Spare yourself the agony!
[19:02:23] <michealpwalls> haha
[19:02:27] <xlefay> Cyprus, .. ;)
[19:02:54] <xlefay> now if I were a designer, I'd have proved Cyprus's point directly :P
[19:03:11] <michealpwalls> Why do organizations buy Microsoft Exchange? :/
[19:03:13] <Cyprus> lol
[19:03:25] <Cyprus> exchange is actually a pretty decent product
[19:03:30] <michealpwalls> Does anyone know the answer to that? There must be a practical answer
[19:03:37] <xlefay> It's true.. it's "decent"
[19:03:40] <michealpwalls> Is it really?
[19:03:54] <xlefay> In fairness.. most stuff about hating on M$ products is for the wrong reasons
[19:04:00] <Cyprus> let me rephrase. I have yet to find an adequate oss replacement for exchange
[19:04:00] <xlefay> They actually do make _some_ good products
[19:04:16] <michealpwalls> I've only been an *end-user* of it, and my experience has been a fairly consistantly bad one hehe. At times it makes me nerd rage LOL
[19:04:22] <Cyprus> i would say exchange is a good product
[19:04:39] <xlefay> It also integrates pretty good with all the normal Windows stuff (e.g. AD, etc)
[19:04:48] <Cyprus> now obviously the people that try to use exchange as sharepoint, are idiots
[19:04:50] <xlefay> Which is really a bonus
[19:04:54] <michealpwalls> There really isn't?! What about Evolution, it claims to be a replacement?
[19:05:09] <xlefay> I've heard of Sharepoint but I haven't ever had the misfortune of having to use it
[19:05:14] <xlefay> Evolution.... right
[19:05:19] <michealpwalls> The org. I'm in uses Exchange and SharePoint
[19:05:25] <Cyprus> sort of like the people that use sharepoint as an intranet are idiots
[19:05:25] <xlefay> Now, if it were to evolve a bit more, than yea sure ;-)
[19:05:27] <michealpwalls> And PeopleSoft and every other damned thing you can think of (rofl)
[19:05:32] <michealpwalls> ActiveDirectory
[19:05:38] <mattie_p> xlefay, I guarantee you've used a public sharepoint page and didn't know it
[19:05:52] <xlefay> mattie_p, I bet, but I meant, using it as setting it up, etc..
[19:06:11] <mattie_p> ahh
[19:06:16] <Cyprus> i never will understand the desire to use sharepoint as a platform
[19:06:20] <xlefay> should've been a bit more specific about that ;-)
[19:06:52] <xlefay> Cyprus, probably because MicroSoft pretty much advocates it as such?
[19:06:54] <michealpwalls> Also I noticed they call it "ForeFront Security" now, or something like that. Seems to have a better ring than "Internet Security and Acceleration Server" hehe
[19:07:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, eh, forefront isn't sharepoint right?
[19:07:13] <michealpwalls> ISA was pretty cool though when I tried it out in 2000
[19:07:15] <Cyprus> xlefay, sure, but i still don't get it
[19:07:15] <xlefay> Forefront is some weirdass firewall and shit
[19:07:17] <michealpwalls> Yea no, not SharePoint
[19:07:35] <michealpwalls> It's like a firewall and I guess caching? Iunno what else it does behind Firewall though LOL
[19:07:35] <Cyprus> like it has to be the most painful way possible of building an intranet / portal system
[19:07:44] <xlefay> forefront was my enemy at college.. honestly, who the fuck blocks SSH
[19:07:56] <xlefay> Naturally, once they unblocked SSH for me, I pretty much tunneled my way around it
[19:08:08] <michealpwalls> Yea same. It tries to bully my torrent client but the encryption seems to let it work
[19:08:09] <michealpwalls> hehe
[19:08:13] <xlefay> Cyprus, no clue
[19:08:19] <xlefay> fortunately never had to work with it myself
[19:08:52] <xlefay> The set up was ridiculous, wireless clients couldn't go to youtube.. wired clients could, and more stupid & silly rules
[19:08:56] <michealpwalls> It amuses me at these high-profile, clearly expensive and well engineered products (ForeFront etc.) get fooled by simply putting a check in the checkbox "enable uTorrent encryption protocol" LOL
[19:09:08] * xlefay notes that set up itself was only for IT .. so we had a separate dedicated line
[19:09:30] <xlefay> michealpwalls, perhaps, it's because the admins let you by not enabling another check?
[19:09:38] <michealpwalls> haha touche
[19:09:44] <michealpwalls> *They* forgot to put a check in a box? LOL!
[19:10:20] <xlefay> I'm not sure, but I beliveve it can do some dpi but.. I'm not sure
[19:10:42] <xlefay> I heard something like that about ISA once upon a time.. but honestly, don't take my word for it cause I couldn't believe half the things the guy said anyway
[19:10:44] <michealpwalls> I wonder if the IT purposefuly lets that work, figuring the majority of people wont do it, so it gives them access to the fast network..
[19:11:24] <xlefay> michealpwalls, perhaps they just don't care if one out of XYZ do it
[19:11:37] <michealpwalls> ISA (And ForeFront, I imagine) is adminned from the MMC (Microsoft Management Console) through the little Console Snap-Ins (.msc files, I think they are)
[19:11:41] <michealpwalls> Which is nice, really
[19:11:45] <xlefay> by blocking the regular ways, they block the masses if one or two bypasses that and it isn't a tend, they probably don't care
[19:12:03] <michealpwalls> Cause the theory I guess is everything is adminned from that same program so it's light-weight? Iunno
[19:12:07] <xlefay> (depends on the environment [type of company], of course...)
[19:12:17] <michealpwalls> True
[19:12:30] <xlefay> I'd bet they use RSAT for that stuff'
[19:13:07] <Cyprus> the problem with trying to match encrypted torrent traffic is you cant tell what it is without a lot of effort
[19:13:34] <xlefay> So it's not worth the effort unless many more people are going to do it
[19:13:47] <xlefay> (then again, just traffic shaping would probably be much simpler instead of blocking it)
[19:14:09] <michealpwalls> Yea, I mean from my point of view if things are encrypted I just leave it alone. Encryption is crazy complicated maths :/
[19:14:13] <michealpwalls> I don't pretend to understand it :)
[19:14:21] <Cyprus> it looks exactly the same as all other encrypted traffic
[19:14:30] <Cyprus> and bt uses random high ports in that mode
[19:15:00] <michealpwalls> If I dont' have an off-the-shelf library to use, I leave that shit to the engineers and mathematicians :)
[19:15:02] <Cyprus> short of blocking all encrypted traffic, or magic, there isn't much you can do
[19:15:09] <michealpwalls> Ohh that sounds like a pain
[19:15:13] <michealpwalls> Yea I wouldn't even attempt that :P
[19:15:25] <michealpwalls> Id' just be like "Clearly this guy wants through, who am I to say no? :P"
[19:15:37] <Cyprus> ive seen some tools that can pick it out after watching the flows for a while using bays but thats it
[19:15:48] <xlefay> Cyprus, well, traffic shaping all would do it (well not block it, but limit the load on the rest of the net)
[19:15:50] <michealpwalls> It even works against my ISP though, that's what kills me...
[19:15:58] <michealpwalls> 'cause my ISP will slow down BT to a crawl unless I check that
[19:16:01] <Cyprus> traffic shaping hits everythign though
[19:16:14] <Cyprus> and traffic shaping is a lot harder than just blocking
[19:16:34] <xlefay> but it could make things more fairer for everyone
[19:16:54] <michealpwalls> The thing is, they [ISPs] win even if they fail..
[19:16:54] <xlefay> I never used it as much, but I suspect you can make it shape depending on the overall usage, so it's split fairly?
[19:17:10] <michealpwalls> 'cause I notice when I enforce encryption the pool of clients I can download shrinks massively..
[19:17:14] <Cyprus> the idea is, torrents are not a reasonable use of the shared media, it should not impeed people doing productive work
[19:17:15] <michealpwalls> So in affect, they do slow me down still :/
[19:17:28] <Cyprus> especially considering it's bulk data traffic as opposed to transactional
[19:17:34] <michealpwalls> By simply decreasing the amount of people my client can now find and download from LOL cause it ignores the legacy/non-encrypted clients
[19:17:34] <xlefay> Cyprus, that's true
[19:18:03] <xlefay> but I'm guessing, once you block it, it's just a matter of time before people will work around it (I'm not very knowledgeable on this subject)?
[19:18:11] <Cyprus> the encryption is the work around
[19:18:11] <michealpwalls> I think that's it
[19:18:24] <michealpwalls> Each time a new client update occurs, I think it changes slightly
[19:18:28] <michealpwalls> Which is why it ignores old client versions
[19:18:31] <michealpwalls> to make sure it changed
[19:18:32] <Cyprus> once it's just scrambled data on random ports, you cant tell what it is, and theres no way to know it isn't valid traffic
[19:18:49] <xlefay> Yeah, that's the tough one
[19:18:58] <michealpwalls> So if your program is shaping traffic and the pattern changes, it would be very hard to adapt without updating your program that shapes traffic :/
[19:19:18] <Cyprus> like i said, there are tools that can spot it after a while, but that's a lot of effort to go to and not cheap both cost and processor time wise
[19:19:28] <michealpwalls> Llike anti-virus' losing game right?
[19:19:34] <michealpwalls> Interesting, Cyprus..
[19:19:49] <michealpwalls> Makes them have to calculate the costs of doing that vs the costs of simply letting people use the networking for torrents? LMAO
[19:19:51] <Cyprus> to be able to spot it, you have to be doing something like netflow analysis
[19:20:24] <xlefay> michealpwalls, or request that people use some decency and unlock the regular ports and shape the unencrypted bittorrent traffic
[19:20:31] <Cyprus> at scale, that is not a cheap proposition just to stop one asshole torrenting
[19:20:37] <Cyprus> bingo
[19:20:37] <xlefay> but unfortunately.. most people aren't that decent, they'll just flip the switch anyway
[19:21:06] <Cyprus> because at that point, you're just throwing it in the same qos class as generic vpns
[19:21:09] <michealpwalls> hehe true
[19:21:32] <Cyprus> and letting them fight for dominance
[19:21:52] <Cyprus> bittorrent is designed to be antagonistic on a network, it by design tries to get every bit of bandwidth it can
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[19:22:13] <michealpwalls> I've def. noticed that as an end-user hehe..
[19:22:19] <michealpwalls> It's the only thing that can reliably saturate my network
[19:22:22] <michealpwalls> Which is why I love it haha
[19:22:44] <michealpwalls> Well not my "network" but my ISP package, like the cap I have with my ISP..
[19:22:48] <Cyprus> its pretty much the reason we had to stop using flow based qos
[19:23:01] <michealpwalls> It can hit and sustain it in perpetuity
[19:23:54] <michealpwalls> Although I had to play with it's settings, which is probably what you're talking about also, 'cause the overhead of it constantly looking for peers used a significant amount of my cap..
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[19:24:21] <Cyprus> the peer negotiation shouldn't be a problem unless your router nat table was being overloaded
[19:24:24] <michealpwalls> So I had to tune those settings with trial/error to get the maximum download capacity while still having the client find peers
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[19:24:40] <Cyprus> its a rounding error as far as traffic goes
[19:25:00] <michealpwalls> That's probably it, honestly. My router is close to default configuration, 'cause I dont' knwo what I'm doing haha. I enabled the encryption and set hard passwods but that's about all I've done..
[19:25:23] <Cyprus> thats not a config issue, but a design / cpu issue of the device
[19:25:26] <michealpwalls> wifi encryption I mean (WPA-2, public or whatever)
[19:25:27] <Cyprus> generally
[19:25:33] <michealpwalls> And the router's admin user/password of course
[19:26:07] <Cyprus> basically you either overload the processor, or run it out of memory
[19:26:22] <Cyprus> once it runs out of nat table size, no new connections work for a bit
[19:27:01] <michealpwalls> Hrmm
[19:27:18] <michealpwalls> So wouldn't a desktop machine make a much better router?
[19:27:22] <michealpwalls> Even a fairly cheap one?
[19:27:43] <Cyprus> i've got a little crappy atom supermicro acting as my firewall / router
[19:27:53] <Cyprus> so my wifi router doesn't have to do nat at all
[19:28:26] <Cyprus> still easily keeps up and is nice and low power
[19:29:08] <Cyprus> plus it'll do whatever i want since it's just a linux server
[19:29:13] <michealpwalls> hrmm!
[19:29:20] <michealpwalls> That sounds nice :)
[19:29:32] <michealpwalls> Hey actually, how would I go about making it so when 1 device is streaming a video on youtube (for example) all the rest of the devices in my network can actually use the internet? My router lets 1 device use the entire bandwidth that I have with my ISP right now :/
[19:29:39] <Cyprus> the only downside is it doesn't do native ipv6 dhcp-pd properly
[19:29:52] <Cyprus> that gets complicated
[19:30:13] <michealpwalls> I flipped around through the setup, like that web-based interface, but nothing obvious stood out to me. Mostly it's really cryptic to me LMAO
[19:30:13] <Cyprus> the issue is the isp buffers are too big, so the streams don't properly size
[19:30:21] <michealpwalls> Acronyms abound with no definitions LOL
[19:30:31] <Cyprus> you can kind of fix it on your end, but it's painful to get set up
[19:30:43] <michealpwalls> mm
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[19:31:36] <Cyprus> and you need a device that can do traffic shaping, the kind where it actually holds packets for a delay up to a queue size
[19:31:43] <Cyprus> as opposed to just pass or drop
[19:32:10] <Cyprus> either that, or you get complicated voodoo involving mangling tcp window sizes
[19:33:05] <michealpwalls> Ohh
[19:33:09] <michealpwalls> I get what you're saying actually
[19:33:44] <Cyprus> its easier to explain with a whiteboard
[19:33:52] <michealpwalls> haha no I get it
[19:34:45] <Cyprus> the deal is, you have to fix it so your isp doesn't fill their buffers and drop packets
[19:34:52] <Cyprus> because they do it indiscriminately
[19:35:15] <Cyprus> and it causes problems because they're too big so everything starves
[19:35:35] <Cyprus> if you pull a big download and you see pings spike / fail. They have them too big
[19:36:02] <michealpwalls> Yea it's always timing out on the other devices
[19:36:11] <michealpwalls> as the one sings along at like 300KB/s LOL
[19:36:50] <Cyprus> yeah, you can fix that by shaping outbound to your network at a lower rate, and dropping packets randomly above that rate to make the streams collapse their window size until it's appropriate
[19:37:02] <Cyprus> plus since it's yours, you can apply qos to that
[19:37:17] <michealpwalls> hrmm! That's smart
[19:38:05] <Cyprus> so the isp never starts filling their buffers, you lose some raw speed due to your actions, but it preforms much better
[19:38:11] <michealpwalls> haha I totaly get that. By dropping the packets the protocol will automatically try the resend the packet with a smaller window size right?
[19:38:57] <Cyprus> yeah, sort of. google tcp congestion avoidance for the full explination
[19:39:09] <michealpwalls> k
[19:43:09] <michealpwalls> I have only had one "network fundamentals" course, where we learned (in brief LOL) the osi model and the tcp/ip implementation. We played with cisco packet tracer and I was pretty amazed at the speed the network devices operate at. Routers, switches and such.
[19:43:17] <Cyprus> hehe
[19:43:25] <michealpwalls> How fast individual packets move and how fast the negotiations occur. It's fucking shocking!
[19:43:31] <michealpwalls> Makes me wonder how the hell the internet works LMAO
[19:43:46] <michealpwalls> Like actually *works* I mean haha
[19:43:52] <Cyprus> pretty well actually =)
[19:43:58] <Cyprus> << almost CCIE
[19:44:10] <michealpwalls> hehe
[19:44:36] <michealpwalls> Oh congrats (Just looked it up LOL)
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[20:09:55] <michealpwalls> http://blogs.wsj.com
[20:10:00] <michealpwalls> Well now *that* is interesting...
[20:18:48] <Cyprus> i'm more suprised they didn't spin it as some horrible thing
[20:35:13] <michealpwalls> haha
[20:35:23] <michealpwalls> "Them evil commies found another way to take 'er jobs!"
[20:38:38] <Cyprus> and its don by a godless cumputur, an some people say it ain't safe!
[20:39:10] <michealpwalls> LOL
[20:39:27] <michealpwalls> "Unconfirmed reports it may even feed on babies"
[20:39:28] <Cyprus> we interviewd some redneck down the street, and he says he'll never live in some godless stone box
[20:39:37] <michealpwalls> haha
[20:41:45] <Cyprus> and our on staff doctor thinks it causes cancer
[20:47:05] <michealpwalls> hah
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[20:48:50] <michealpwalls> Well, I'm going to take advantage of this weekend... Get my Empire: Total War on (flex)
[20:49:20] <michealpwalls> Take care :)
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[20:49:27] <arti> :D
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[21:19:15] <Subsentient> So the name voting is finished I assume?
[21:20:04] <arti> for the right price, anything is possible
[21:20:22] * arti curls his nonexistent mustache
[21:21:45] <xlefay> Subsentient, eh
[21:21:53] <xlefay> I think the submission process is ended now?
[21:22:15] <Subsentient> xlefay: that's what I meant, sry
[21:22:21] <xlefay> To be honest.. I'm having a hard time following all that crap
[21:22:33] <xlefay> no worries, I wasn't sure which one of us was right anyway
[21:22:52] <xlefay> one time it's called a name vote.. the next time the submission process.. it's a days work to keep track of those conversations
[21:24:17] <xlefay> Subsentient, the website says: "Name submission period ends: Sat Apr 19 7:00 UTC" ;-)
[21:24:55] <Subsentient> $time UTC %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S
[21:24:55] <aqu4> 2014-04-19 19:24:54 UTC
[21:24:59] <Subsentient> xlefay:
[21:25:01] <xlefay> They mean sometime in 2015 because it's already been 0700 UTC, obviously ;-)
[21:25:18] <Subsentient> heh
[21:25:29] * arti continues copying stuff
[21:25:37] <xlefay> Subsentient, surely, you don't mind waiting a year or so, right??
[21:25:49] <Subsentient> xlefay: Not at all, I like the current name.
[21:25:55] * Subsentient duckls
[21:26:01] <xlefay> $burrito Subsentient
[21:26:01] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[21:26:11] <xlefay> Take that!
[21:26:12] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay
[21:26:12] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay
[21:26:15] <xlefay> hey now
[21:26:20] <Subsentient> $blacklist set xlefay!*@*
[21:26:20] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[21:26:22] <xlefay> retaliation isn't very mature of you
[21:26:24] <Subsentient> :^3
[21:26:27] <juggler> $burrito Subsentient
[21:26:27] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[21:26:35] <Subsentient> $blacklist set juggler!*@*
[21:26:35] * xlefay has plenty of others bots left.. :P
[21:26:35] <aqu4> Blacklisting successful.
[21:26:46] <xlefay> ugh can't care :P
[21:27:41] <arti> i need a few more ips, but i think i could get us over 100 idlers
[21:27:47] * xlefay chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[21:27:51] <xlefay> boom, you can't stop that :P
[21:28:03] <xlefay> arti, a lot more IPs then :P
[21:28:21] * aqu4 pours a putrid bucket of rotten raw bacon on xlefay's head
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[21:30:01] * xlefay = unix user; thus he catches the rotten raw bacon with /dev/bucket and cat's it straight to /home/subsentient
[21:31:02] * Subsentient = C programmer, thus he catches the bacon's signal and deallocates it to the bit-bucket, and set's xlefay's pointer to NULL.
[21:31:07] <xlefay> OH GOD
[21:31:13] * arti o.o
[21:31:33] <arti> bitbucket is awesome
[21:31:38] <xlefay> bitbucket is ;o
[21:31:43] * arti really likes sourcetree
[21:31:51] <arti> like, half chubby status
[21:31:51] <xlefay> never used it :~/
[21:32:11] <Subsentient> I should probably back up my server
[21:32:11] * arti uses it to wrangle designers into git
[21:32:22] <arti> Subsentient: you can do that later :D /procrastination
[21:32:23] <xlefay> I like the fact that you can have unlimited number of private repos and crap, store some configs and stuff without issues and crap
[21:32:44] <arti> indeed, plus their tutorials are pretty decent
[21:32:49] <xlefay> (well, mostly store my idiotic stuff without the world seeing it ;-))
[21:32:58] <xlefay> they are
[21:33:02] <Subsentient> Just set up a git server on some old 2001 Pentium 3.
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[21:33:09] <arti> nice
[21:33:16] <xlefay> Subsentient, but bitbucket is so much more awesome
[21:33:35] <arti> you should setup linux running on JS, and then install git on that
[21:33:42] <arti> all through your browser
[21:33:51] <xlefay> I just wish they allowed custom hostnames for repos tho :/
[21:33:55] * Subsentient drops a hyperelectric bomb on arti
[21:34:05] * aqu4 drops a hyperelectric bomb on arti
[21:34:09] * arti twitches
[21:34:11] <Woods> Nice of you to join us, LaminatorX
[21:34:11] <xlefay> well, that's rather excessive
[21:34:13] <Subsentient> NO CLOUD SHIT!!!
[21:34:18] <xlefay> Subsentient, ugh, just stop
[21:34:22] * arti lifts leg in threatening manner
[21:34:32] <xlefay> "cloud" is an overused term sure, but aren't they awesome? ;-)
[21:34:38] <xlefay> Sometimes they even pour water!
[21:34:44] <xlefay> arti, LOL
[21:34:48] <arti> :)
[21:34:58] <arti> i'll have to prepare myself with lots of processed food
[21:35:07] <xlefay> threatening_manner++
[21:35:07] <deadbeef> karma - threatening_manner: 1
[21:35:56] <Subsentient> <arti> you should setup linux running on JS, and then install git on that
[21:35:56] <Subsentient> <arti> all through your browser
[21:36:03] <Subsentient> You know what you did. -_-
[21:36:16] <LaminatorX> Here I am, yes.
[21:36:32] <arti> subsentient, you know you want to
[21:36:43] <arti> think of all those cycles that'll be happily used
[21:37:00] <arti> given purpose
[21:37:10] * arti says purpose with a thick indian accent
[21:37:18] <LaminatorX> You up for some training, Woods?
[21:37:27] <Woods> Bring it on
[21:37:31] <Subsentient> arti: The idea of replacing desktop apps with slow, laggy webpages terrifies me more than anything else in the industry right now.
[21:37:33] <Woods> I am wearing my training pants...
[21:37:38] <Woods> I mean. Nevermind, dang it.
[21:37:54] <xlefay> Subsentient, but but but!
[21:38:05] <LaminatorX> Hey, we all have long drives sometimes.
[21:38:08] <Subsentient> xlefay: It's about control. I want it. Not them.
[21:38:16] <arti> Subsentient: errthang has a cost, one nice thing about networked applications accessible over restapis is not having all your eggs in one basket
[21:38:28] <xlefay> Subsentient, but! ;-)
[21:38:44] <Subsentient> arti: Not having all your eggs in one basket is the second reason I hate cloud.
[21:38:57] <arti> hate is such a strong word, why do you hate client server
[21:39:10] <arti> did a server poop on you?
[21:39:18] * arti doesn't like when birds poop on him either
[21:39:19] <Subsentient> arti: I hate it because I don't want to live in a world where everyone boots a linux kernel straight to a browser.
[21:39:26] <xlefay> In 20 years, you'll hear people hate on a new development and swearing by the cloud... ;-)
[21:39:35] <arti> its all cyclical
[21:39:44] <xlefay> 'the cloud' like wth are we really using 'cloud' here? ;-)
[21:39:55] * xlefay is surprised it hasn't caused a holy war yet
[21:40:07] <Subsentient> arti: We left mainframes for desktop PCs decades ago. I don't want the pendulum to swing back.
[21:40:12] <arti> we were at thin clients back in the day, and there's a big push for it again
[21:40:14] <xlefay> Subsentient, but linux kernels everywhere!
[21:40:37] <arti> Subsentient: i understand this, and i don't think that'll happen
[21:40:38] <Subsentient> xlefay: Indeed, but I'd prefer to have a desktop.
[21:40:44] <arti> mainframes are sweet though
[21:40:49] <xlefay> It's more efficient, saves costs, etc.. people want that.
[21:40:55] <arti> "hey check it out, i can handle all ATM transactions"
[21:40:59] <xlefay> Personally, I'm with Subsentient, I prefer my desktop as well.
[21:41:07] <Subsentient> xlefay: Good man.
[21:41:16] <xlefay> Although.. the JS project that boots Linux is pretty nifty
[21:41:18] * arti likes it all
[21:41:25] * xlefay kinda likes how they actually made it work
[21:41:32] <Subsentient> xlefay: The problem with cloud is that it takes away freedom.
[21:41:36] <arti> lol "hey brah i gave you a shell"
[21:41:39] <Subsentient> It directly and badly injures FOSS
[21:41:46] <xlefay> Subsentient, that particular Linux doesn't do anything but provide you with a shell
[21:42:07] <arti> freedom, like that stuff america does to countries?
[21:42:10] <xlefay> It's just a proof of concept or w/e
[21:42:15] <Subsentient> xlefay: the kernel gives you nothing but a kernel.
[21:42:16] <xlefay> arti, or, to itself? ;-)
[21:42:17] <Subsentient> no shell.
[21:42:18] <LaminatorX> Local vs remote computing has traditionally emerged from the proportions of available network bandwidth and personal vs institutional storage and processing capacities. Processing has been plateaued for a while now, more or less, while bandwidth has vastly expanded, thus a cloud era.
[21:42:41] * arti is tempted to get one of those american flag jackets and wear that while being a tourist :P
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[21:42:45] <xlefay> Subsentient, ugh, ok.. a small OS with a Linux Kernel.. ;-)
[21:42:46] * arti wouldn't be caught dead doing that
[21:42:47] <Woods> LaminatorX: Should I be writing this down?
[21:43:02] <xlefay> Woods, always
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[21:43:24] <Woods> Hmmm... I will have to bust out the old chisle and stone tablet so I can keep a good record.
[21:43:28] <LaminatorX> Nah, this is all logged.
[21:43:34] <xlefay> Woods, don't listen to me though.. ;-)
[21:43:57] <xlefay> (whether you listen to the previous statement or not is up to you though ;-))
[21:43:59] <Woods> I never do, Xlefay.
[21:44:11] <xlefay> and yet you just did, ain't that pretty ;)
[21:44:15] <LaminatorX> I queried you, Woods do you have another chat tab?
[21:44:19] <xlefay> LaminatorX, long time no see, what's up?
[21:44:19] * arti manifests localized edibles
[21:44:28] <Woods> It just says 8.
[21:44:33] <xlefay> Woods, is using the webchat. /query LaminatorX
[21:44:37] <arti> or as Subsentient would say: h8
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[21:44:45] <Subsentient> LaminatorX: I understand your logic, but I think this will result in much horror as the corporate world creates a techno-dystopia.
[21:44:56] <Subsentient> Cloud is just the tool.
[21:44:59] <arti> gibson level dystopia?
[21:45:04] <Subsentient> Probably worse.
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[21:45:11] <xlefay> Woods, (eh, you'd be the one doing: /query LaminatorX )
[21:45:15] <arti> hookin up the trodes
[21:45:16] <Woods> oh
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[21:45:24] <arti> yay copy finish
[21:45:28] <LaminatorX> As currently implemented, it does put a lot of control inplaces I don't like it, and timeouts suck.
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[21:46:06] <Subsentient> LaminatorX: Trust me, it may make some economic sense, but the resulting loss of control and fail-safety will be catastrophic
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[21:46:28] <xlefay> Subsentient, like the loss of freedom and such?
[21:46:35] <Subsentient> xlefay: Mostly that, yes.
[21:46:39] <xlefay> Cause people really are rebelling against ... ;-)
[21:46:43] <Woods> Xlefay: Saturday morning paradoxes are just as good as Saturday morning cartoons where I come from.
[21:46:50] <arti> lol
[21:47:00] <arti> that might be a good domain name
[21:47:07] <arti> saturdaymorningparadox.com
[21:47:14] <Subsentient> Woods: Oh! You're from the cyan void? How many eons have you lived there?
[21:47:16] <xlefay> I'm especially fond of Anonymous way of rebelling against censorship and such by of course, censoring themselves ;-)
[21:47:16] <arti> "it goes into a redirect loop!?!"
[21:47:35] <xlefay> Woods, that's good, least you'll never be bored then! ;)
[21:49:40] <xlefay> Subsentient, sufficed to say, people will raise the points, be vocal about it; and perhaps even take action at some point; but at the end of the day, they'll go back home and do nothing
[21:50:06] <xlefay> That's all that mostly happens anyway, it's so boring. Nothing fun on that level happens anymore
[21:50:25] <xlefay> Where's the revolution? Where are the guns?! Oh wait..
[21:50:27] <arti> xlefay: disable tv
[21:50:52] <xlefay> arti, and you really believe that's going to help?
[21:51:11] <xlefay> I think we're just to dependent on govt's at this point
[21:51:16] <xlefay> _that_ is the biggest issue imo
[21:51:24] <arti> MAH ENTITLEMENTS
[21:51:34] <Subsentient> lol
[21:51:39] <arti> sounds like a job for more government!?
[21:51:46] <xlefay> Indeed, that'll solve it!
[21:51:51] * arti gets more votes
[21:51:56] <arti> winning /sheen
[21:52:00] <xlefay> Surely, nothing could go wrong? ;-)
[21:52:09] * xlefay notes he doesn't do anything about it either
[21:52:17] <arti> oh i do, i pay my taxes
[21:52:31] <arti> and... and i sign things
[21:52:40] <arti> like deporting justin bieber
[21:53:04] <Subsentient> lol
[21:53:12] * xlefay just googled justin bieber
[21:53:20] <xlefay> Well, that was a gigantic waste of time, thank you very much
[21:53:25] <arti> you're welcome
[21:53:33] <arti> you know what would be fun
[21:53:47] <xlefay> Justin Bieber being deported?
[21:53:53] <Subsentient> Peanut butter blobs raining from the sky?
[21:53:55] <arti> writing a faux shell, and having someone try to compromise a script and fiddle with that
[21:53:58] <xlefay> Moar Cloud?
[21:54:04] <arti> Subsentient: those women with the little dogs would love that
[21:54:09] <arti> peanut butter tricks would be free
[21:54:10] <xlefay> Oh a general honey pot?
[21:54:13] <arti> yeah
[21:54:35] <xlefay> There was a pretty awesome one that let you play the entire session back via ajaxterm
[21:54:44] <arti> "what the fuck, it says the hd space is over 9000. 9000 what."
[21:54:49] <Subsentient> xlefay: I came up with a good idea
[21:54:52] <xlefay> PB of course
[21:54:55] <Subsentient> Set up a honeypot
[21:55:00] <xlefay> Subsentient, hmm, auto $burrito?
[21:55:03] <xlefay> oh, ok, go on
[21:55:04] <arti> auto burrito.
[21:55:18] <Subsentient> and set the shell for the user root to a script that insults their mother and exits
[21:55:19] * xlefay notes auto $bacon would be so much cooler.
[21:55:25] <xlefay> Subsentient, LOL
[21:55:30] <Subsentient> ssh universe2.us -l root
[21:55:34] <Subsentient> enter password: password
[21:55:39] <xlefay> That's absolutely the most ridiculous thing I ever heard LOL
[21:55:40] <Subsentient> Yo mama so fat...
[21:55:42] <Subsentient> connection closed
[21:55:50] <xlefay> and yet, so awesome ;-)
[21:56:05] <arti> mix it up, give it a list of like 100 jokes
[21:56:09] <Subsentient> indeed
[21:56:11] <xlefay> fortune -o ftw.
[21:56:11] <coffee> It's OKAY -- I'm an INTELLECTUAL, too.
[21:56:17] <Subsentient> All of them obscene
[21:56:26] * xlefay wonders if there's a fortune -oo
[21:57:18] <xlefay> I'm somewhat amused at how many fortune -o's are related to religion
[21:57:25] <arti> deine mutter zu bloed, wen sie wirft ein tomaten auf den boden sie schreit, 'kom raus pikachu'
[21:57:41] <xlefay> Oh wow..
[21:57:46] <arti> :D
[21:57:47] <xlefay> "The difference between her and the Titanic is that only 1100 men went down on the Titanic."
[21:57:51] <arti> hahahaha
[21:57:53] <Subsentient> Speak the king's American!
[21:58:11] <Subsentient> xlefay: ROFL
[21:58:14] <xlefay> Well, that's certainly an obscene amount of men
[21:58:14] <arti> Subsentient: you mean democrazy and railgun-ese right?
[21:58:49] <Subsentient> arti: yeh. now get me another lard frosted aspartame flavored MSG filled donut.
[21:59:00] * arti has donuts about once a year
[21:59:11] <arti> fond memories of those things
[21:59:25] <arti> they're like fat people truffles.
[21:59:48] <xlefay> I live a donut free existence :'(
[21:59:57] <arti> are they endangered there?
[22:00:13] <xlefay> I'm afraid not, but if I start eating them they sure would be!
[22:00:16] <arti> "you there, fry that bread. and frost it!"
[22:01:39] <Subsentient> You there, fry that butter, and dip it in BBQ sauce!
[22:01:51] <arti> you like going to the fair too!!?
[22:02:05] <Subsentient> lol
[22:02:08] <arti> Summer is coming.
[22:02:13] <Subsentient> Summer is HERE.
[22:02:14] <Cyprus> Winter is coming
[22:02:16] <Subsentient> I'm in Arizona man.
[22:02:18] <arti> open your mouth?
[22:02:19] <xlefay> I just learned about Parker's Law
[22:02:27] <Cyprus> ?? Parker's Law
[22:02:33] <arti> is that some kinda of fondler law?
[22:02:36] <xlefay> Parker's Law:
[22:02:36] <xlefay> Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone.
[22:02:43] <xlefay> ^ that I knew.. but apparently, it's called Parker's law
[22:03:05] <arti> Ugly Bones, this fall on HBO
[22:03:12] <Subsentient> lol
[22:03:25] <Subsentient> I don't watch all the 'popular' shows.
[22:03:47] <arti> i watch very few
[22:03:47] <Subsentient> Never seen breaking bad, honey boo-boo, game of thrones, or any others of that sort.
[22:03:55] <Subsentient> It's all shit.
[22:04:06] <arti> sometimes i want something that doesn't require active thought
[22:04:06] <Subsentient> Pure grade-A fertilizer quality shit.
[22:04:08] <xlefay> "Have you ever tried to tickle yourself? Everybody has some wacko aunt or uncle that can just point at you and have you rolling with laughter. But if you shove your fist in your underarm for a week and a half you won't laugh. Somehow your underarm just knows that it's *your* fist. Thank God other parts of our bodies are dumber. "
[22:04:12] <arti> othertimes i want to be engaged.
[22:04:21] <arti> games, books, walks. just depends
[22:04:31] <Subsentient> xlefay: ROFL
[22:04:36] <Cyprus> game of thrones is pretty good
[22:04:55] <Subsentient> $burrito cykros
[22:04:55] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at cykros
[22:04:56] <Cyprus> most of the rest do suck
[22:04:58] * arti liked the books
[22:04:59] <Subsentient> $burrito Cyprus
[22:04:59] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Cyprus
[22:05:02] <arti> the show is bleh
[22:05:12] <arti> "c'mon guys, lets split it up!"
[22:05:25] * Subsentient is more concerned about the shows being degenerate
[22:05:37] <arti> that's a totally different matter
[22:05:39] <Cyprus> degenerate?
[22:05:41] <arti> how about the stereotypes
[22:05:57] <arti> "oh, the guy is smart, typecast him to be an asshole"
[22:06:00] <xlefay> "By the way, if you see your Mom this weekend, would be you sure and tell her, `SATAN, SATAN, SATAN!!!'""
[22:06:03] <Cyprus> what is this, sunday bunch in redneckistan?
[22:06:09] <Subsentient> Cyprus: It's the ... taste... of the modern television.
[22:06:11] <arti> xlefay: that's a good song :P
[22:06:25] <arti> Subsentient: "modern family"
[22:06:29] <Subsentient> Extra crunchy.
[22:06:29] <Cyprus> yeah yeah, the kids are on your lawn
[22:06:35] <Cyprus> go back inside Grandpa
[22:06:41] <xlefay> Oh wow.. this one's rather offensive rofl
[22:06:50] <Subsentient> The old TVs were much chewier.
[22:07:00] <arti> xlefay wtf are you reading?
[22:07:00] <xlefay> http://pastie.org
[22:07:07] <xlefay> fortune -o
[22:07:07] <coffee> Q: What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas?
[22:07:07] <coffee> A: The impossible dream.
[22:07:18] <xlefay> LOL
[22:07:26] <arti> xlefay: http://www.youtube.com
[22:07:27] <Cyprus> wow
[22:07:31] <Cyprus> wtf is this site?
[22:07:45] <arti> ~ 27 seconds
[22:07:45] <coffee> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[22:07:46] <coffee> by crutchy: https://github.com
[22:07:46] <coffee> visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info
[22:08:09] <xlefay> Cyprus, I just pasted that from 'fortune -o'
[22:08:14] <xlefay> arti, I'll take your word for it haha
[22:08:22] <xlefay> I don't think my mum would appreciate that song
[22:08:27] <Cyprus> thats in fortune?!
[22:08:29] <Cyprus> wtf
[22:08:34] <xlefay> Cyprus, fortune -o
[22:08:37] <xlefay> -o being offensive
[22:08:46] <Cyprus> oh lmao, theres an offensive switch
[22:08:48] <Cyprus> thats awesome
[22:08:54] <xlefay> check the man page on it haha
[22:09:32] <Cyprus> ugh i've got 5tb of array space, and no content feed for my mythbackend =/
[22:09:47] <Cyprus> #firstworldproblems
[22:11:54] <xlefay> Oh god, I'm afraid I've got a fortune addiction
[22:12:37] <Subsentient> If God had a beard, he'd be a UNIX programmer.
[22:12:52] <xlefay> Subsentient, and definitely addicted to fortune-mod
[22:13:04] <xlefay> heck he probably invented the damn thing
[22:13:18] <xlefay> s/he/he would've/
[22:13:18] <SedBot> <xlefay> he would'veck he probably invented the damn thing
[22:22:04] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Launches Third ISS Resupply Mission - http://sylnt.us - Reduce-Reuse-Recycle-IN-SPAAAACE!
[22:22:23] <Subsentient> Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous grass is acrack in your sidewalk?
[22:25:35] <LaminatorX> Ahiy Landon, I'm wrapping up editor training with Woods at the moment. Could you please voice him appropriately on IRC?
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