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[23:59:51] <michealpwalls> Also when some jerk like me says "KiB" you can't possibly think I meant Kilobits (kbps) although had I said KB/s... You could *easily* think that meant Kilobits
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[23:59:23] <Woods> Ahhh
[23:59:10] <michealpwalls> LOL
[23:59:10] <michealpwalls> A significant rounding error, by the way..
[23:59:03] <michealpwalls> LOL Woods, it's Kibibytes but it's meant to eliminate the confusion. At least in my opinion. See... Kilo implies 1000, but a Kilobyte does not have 1000 bytes it has 1024 bytes...
[23:57:12] <Woods> I would look up the difference, but I am about to head out
[23:56:20] <Blackmoore> but who knows. it might be pushing a lot more crap through the tube.
[23:56:03] <Woods> Michaelpwalls: KiB is Kibibytes. You know, for confusion.
[23:55:35] <Blackmoore> frankly i think i had better speeds on dial-up some days.
[23:54:32] <michealpwalls> lol yea, seen that story. Havent got 'round to reading it but the title made me chuckle
[23:52:10] <Blackmoore> yeah. thats why I submitted the story about being an ISP
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[23:50:18] <michealpwalls> All my options suck :(
[23:50:06] <Blackmoore> well - it's verizon. my other option is cable. and while the speed is better. the cost is too high
[23:48:56] <michealpwalls> Just remember: There's 8 bits in 1 byte. 1024 bytes in a kilobyte and 1024 kilobytes in a megabyte. When you're downloading, it's displayed in multiples of bytes, never bits. Only ISPs deal in bits when they're selling an internet package to Grandma :)
[23:47:30] <michealpwalls> Yea, Mega *bits* per second..
[23:47:28] <Blackmoore> but they deliver far far less.
[23:47:16] <Blackmoore> oh they PROMISE me Mb/S
[23:45:44] <michealpwalls> LOL Blackmoore
[23:45:39] <michealpwalls> Bits per second, it's interesting that ISP advertise in bits per second. It's confusing for the average person :)
[23:45:37] <Blackmoore> can almost hear the bits move if it's reall quiet
[23:45:15] <Blackmoore> and I'm sure verizon dropps the K
[23:44:56] <michealpwalls> Nah KiB is Kilobytes hehe
[23:44:47] <michealpwalls> har har har
[23:44:20] <Blackmoore> michealpwalls: at least you dont have my DSL speed (pretty sure that's in BPS.)
[23:43:28] <Blackmoore> Rei is very nice, I havent anything bad to say about zans, or mapwriter.
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[23:43:08] <michealpwalls> This download'll never fucking finish (facepalm)
[23:43:03] <michealpwalls> LOL back to the 60KiB/s download speed wooOO!
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[23:42:35] <NCommander> Blackmoore, NEI is ok I guess, Rei Mininmap <3
[23:41:04] <Blackmoore> (that and a minimap)
[23:40:50] <Blackmoore> I still need NEI for vanilla. :)
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[23:35:12] <NCommander> */2 cents&
[23:35:09] <NCommander> Blackmoore, more it was so many reciepes, so many items. If you need "TooManyItems" to play, I think you've done it wrong
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[23:32:31] <Blackmoore> Trancraft looks cool
[23:31:27] <Blackmoore> thats why i like FTB, they typically take care of the configs and id crap
[23:31:01] <Blackmoore> i'll agree that it is fiddly.
[23:30:36] <Blackmoore> i did tekkit under 1.2.5 untill the update that broke everything.
[23:26:19] <NCommander> The problem is far too many mods ar ejust too fiddly for my taste
[23:26:11] <NCommander> I played Tekkit for awhile
[23:25:20] <Blackmoore> server is FTB.. but weve changed the list of mods.
[23:24:46] <Blackmoore> I've been neglecting my server. started Agrarian Skys monday.
[23:22:14] <NCommander> Blackmoore, modded ATM, w/ traincraft
[23:21:02] <Blackmoore> NCommander: vanilla or modded?
[23:20:45] <Blackmoore> i dont even
[23:20:42] <Blackmoore> http://www.comicbookmovie.com
[23:20:37] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - How a 17-Year-Old Android Developer Scammed Thousands - http://sylnt.us - I-hear-madison-ave-is-hiring
[23:17:17] <NCommander> arti, minecraft stuff
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[23:15:20] <TK> label it sewyouth
[23:15:10] <TK> that's agist
[23:14:11] <Blackmoore> cripes. just label them "sewage" and most people will not bother them
[23:10:00] <arti> HAH
[23:09:54] <arti> lol seattle changed manhole covers to be person-hole
[23:09:03] <Blackmoore> what was broken today?
[23:08:13] <Blackmoore> eh, NCommander i'm afraid to ask.
[23:07:15] <arti> ncommander: complete another structure in minecraft?
[23:07:04] <Blackmoore> ew..
[23:07:00] <NCommander> Well, that was fun
[23:06:33] <arti> :E
[23:06:29] * arti begins googling for "is brown" and auto complete/google recommend, comes up with period blood...
[22:49:43] <Woods> I feel better just hearing about it.
[22:42:00] <Blackmoore> i feel much better now.
[22:40:59] <Woods> I figured it was one extreme or the other.
[22:40:46] <Blackmoore> nah. worlds smallest rotorooter.
[22:40:27] <Woods> Did they hook you up to the biggest netty pot ever?
[22:40:22] <Blackmoore> very much so.
[22:40:11] <Blackmoore> yes.
[22:40:02] <arti> man that must've hurt
[22:39:49] <Blackmoore> nearly closed up drainage
[22:39:35] <arti> inflamed?
[22:39:27] * arti o.o
[22:39:09] <Blackmoore> .. seriously I'm waiting for stitches to heal up and be able to do stuff. it was sinus surgry.
[22:37:26] <Blackmoore> hope the brain didnt spill out..
[22:37:06] <Blackmoore> just shove one up each nostril
[22:37:06] <Woods> There are probably no other cases.
[22:37:00] <Woods> lol
[22:36:55] <Cyprus> im not sure there are other cases
[22:36:54] <Blackmoore> you know my wife suggested tampons too.
[22:36:38] <Cyprus> if you're bleeding at the gym, you shouldn't be at the gym, or should wear a tampon
[22:36:10] <Woods> Aahh
[22:35:52] <Blackmoore> surgery will do that :P
[22:35:39] <Woods> If you are bleeding on the equipment, something has definitely gone wrong.
[22:35:31] <Blackmoore> (it really wasnt that bad after the first week)
[22:35:12] <Blackmoore> yeah - i need to get back. I'm pretty sure i wont bleed on the stuff now.
[22:35:01] <arti> the hamstrings :|
[22:34:56] * arti remembers starting squats
[22:34:45] <arti> nice
[22:34:29] <Woods> Blackmoore: You should definitely go back. As soon as I can stretch without too much pain, I am going to continue.
[22:32:59] <Blackmoore> Woods: i had strarted going to the gym, but had to stop. I'm hoping I'm healed up enough to go back.
[22:31:20] <Woods> Bad news guys, I did like... 20 situps a couple days ago, and it still hurts my abs to cough... I think I am out of shape.
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[22:26:24] <n1> laters, michealpwalls
[22:25:47] * arti salutes
[22:25:32] <michealpwalls> brb when home :)
[22:25:29] <michealpwalls> Gah, downloaded enough I think
[22:22:53] <michealpwalls> Sorry, couldn't help myself :)
[22:22:49] <michealpwalls> https://www.youtube.com
[22:22:41] <n1> those propaganda films have shaped the views of people now called Judges
[22:22:09] <arti> what an awesome film
[22:22:02] <arti> i watched reefer madness for the first time like 6 months ago
[22:21:49] <n1> because as shocking as the anti-marijuana propaganda is, the essence of it is still carried over in todays propaganda
[22:21:28] <n1> which sadly, a lot of people do.
[22:21:26] <michealpwalls> Or the "duck and cover" public service announcements
[22:21:22] <n1> it's hilarious, until the point people still believe them
[22:21:06] <michealpwalls> That's fucking hilarious
[22:21:01] <michealpwalls> Ever seen the anti-marijuana videos?
[22:20:55] <michealpwalls> They're amazing
[22:20:52] <michealpwalls> Yes!
[22:20:42] <arti> wonder when the remaster of song of the south will be out...
[22:20:25] <arti> especially disney
[22:20:20] <arti> you know what i really like youtube for, the old school propaganda films
[22:19:57] <Blackmoore> ow
[22:19:56] <michealpwalls> The youtube hitler videos? You guys gotta know what I'm talking about.. LOL!
[22:19:47] <arti> at least phelps can finish a race
[22:19:45] <michealpwalls> Thehitler ones kill me...
[22:19:38] <arti> take hitler and michael phelps.
[22:19:34] <n1> even though the actual situation was far from amusing
[22:19:26] <n1> it's about how it's done, i've laughed at jokes about Nazi's in WW2 for example
[22:18:54] <michealpwalls> That's interesting, n1. Iunno if I could find genocide funny though (Never know until you try? )
[22:18:45] <arti> n1, comedy is tragedy.
[22:18:31] <Blackmoore> try http://amultiverse.com
[22:18:28] <arti> the worlds biggest shitpumps
[22:18:24] <n1> comedy is tragedy+time, which is why in context even things like genocide can be found amusing.
[22:18:19] <michealpwalls> http://theoatmeal.com
[22:18:03] <arti> BigTimeAwesomeTorrentBucket.com
[22:17:55] <arti> "punch the grizzly bear in the ass to win an ipad 3"
[22:17:50] <michealpwalls> The Horse one is hilarious, yea
[22:17:30] <michealpwalls> It's perfect!
[22:17:24] <michealpwalls> Makes you think back to real-life experiences with a humorous slant
[22:17:15] <michealpwalls> That's what makes XKCD and TheOatmeal so incredibly funny, I think. It's so fucking true :/
[22:16:47] <michealpwalls> LOL
[22:15:48] <Cyprus> i actually remember this one http://theoatmeal.com
[22:15:18] <arti> as a ceo i don't feel as if i've done my job properly unless i make a few recommendations
[22:14:13] <Cyprus> the "pop" and "comic sans" reminds me of the rants of a designer i used to work with
[22:13:42] <Cyprus> im dying from reading "if you do this in email i hate you" along with every web designer ever
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[22:13:25] * arti had a good laugh at that
[22:13:18] <arti> read the one on horses
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[22:13:07] <arti> hahahaha
[22:12:46] <michealpwalls> LOL Cyprus. Told you! :)
[22:12:36] <Cyprus> great, now my productivity is shot for the rest of the day
[22:12:27] <michealpwalls> *had to look it up*
[22:12:21] <michealpwalls> LOL
[22:12:19] <michealpwalls> Why not simply.. Infatigable? :/
[22:12:13] <michealpwalls> indefatigable is a confusing word
[22:11:45] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Student Arrested for Exploiting Heartbleed - http://sylnt.us - which-color-hat-to-wear-today
[22:10:49] <michealpwalls> I like it a lot ;)
[22:10:41] <arti> do you like it alot :P
[22:10:36] <michealpwalls> I love the humour
[22:10:31] <michealpwalls> LOL 'A hate so rich and foul' LOL
[22:08:45] <michealpwalls> I like the top spelling mistakes
[22:07:27] <Blackmoore> http://theoatmeal.com
[22:02:59] <arti> boyd's toast
[22:02:44] <arti> the web design hell is pretty accurate
[22:02:35] <arti> theoatmeal.com
[22:02:07] <michealpwalls> :)
[22:02:06] <michealpwalls> Google.. Google right now and we'll forget this conversation ever happened!
[22:01:53] <Cyprus> never heard of the oatmeal
[22:01:40] <michealpwalls> Followed (closely) by The Oatmeal
[22:01:32] <michealpwalls> xkcd is my favorite
[22:01:28] <bacon> The Religious Right aren't, and Scientific Creationism isn't.
[22:01:28] <Cyprus> rofl
[22:00:56] <Blackmoore> lol
[22:00:32] <arti> "oh yes, very applicable"
[22:00:27] <arti> %xkcd%
[22:00:19] <arti> that is how xkcd should be handled
[22:00:12] <arti> hahaha
[21:59:55] <SirFinkus> don't need to post it, we've all seen it
[21:59:46] <SirFinkus> xkcd
[21:58:50] <Cyprus> i'm in your house...
[21:58:46] <Cyprus> lol
[21:57:20] <arti> my cunning plan...
[21:57:04] <arti> your hostmask is localhost
[21:55:45] <Cyprus> arti: ??
[21:55:32] <Blackmoore> (dont you judge me.. I was willing to pay for a conversation at that point.. *sob*)
[21:54:46] <michealpwalls> I'm pretty sure they're talking about Strippin' ^
[21:54:44] <Blackmoore> hell I knew at least one who wasnt even single.
[21:54:40] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: Everybody's gotta do their part. It takes a whole village to raise a child, they say :)
[21:54:21] <Blackmoore> I too support single mothers. at the strip joint.. (well i used to. too damn expensive now)
[21:53:36] * arti pingfloods cyprus
[21:53:30] <michealpwalls> Gah, only 3gb to go... LMAO if I stop it now and continue at home it'll probably take all fucking weekend :(
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[21:52:16] <michealpwalls> "Daddy's got a .. *stumbles into a table*"
[21:52:10] <arti> i'd probably bust a blood vessel in my eye from laughing
[21:51:55] <michealpwalls> "C'mere Gutter!'
[21:51:43] <arti> then you can be all buzzed and say Gutter
[21:51:34] <michealpwalls> Yea, Glitter is a great stripper name ^
[21:51:20] <arti> nothing gets glitter off of you
[21:51:09] <michealpwalls> Touche
[21:51:06] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:51:00] <deadbeef> karma - strippers: 1
[21:51:00] <chromas> strippers++
[21:50:45] <michealpwalls> Strippers are an integral part of our society. Lets all take a pause to appreciate our Strippers :)
[21:50:19] <Blackmoore> yup that's exactyly why she chose it :)
[21:50:13] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:50:11] <arti> :P
[21:50:08] <arti> show yourself out pls
[21:50:00] <michealpwalls> 'cause... get it... variety is the spice of life? She's the... nvm :(
[21:49:43] <Blackmoore> I miss those legs
[21:49:42] <michealpwalls> See, I told you it was a good name!
[21:49:41] <SirFinkus> I knew a variety of strippers
[21:49:22] <Blackmoore> I knew a stripper who used the name Variety
[21:49:01] <arti> more hot yogurt?
[21:48:53] <michealpwalls> LMAO that's gross
[21:48:51] <michealpwalls> "In prison, they called me SlickBack"
[21:48:37] <arti> slickback sounds like a prison name
[21:48:35] <michealpwalls> LMAO chromas
[21:48:33] <arti> :/
[21:48:32] <Blackmoore> *just a little bit, just a little bit*
[21:48:29] <chromas> Like A Pimp Named Slickback
[21:48:24] <arti> i agree
[21:48:23] <chromas> The whole thing
[21:48:13] <michealpwalls> I think 'Variety' or 'Spice of Life' would both be good stripper names :/
[21:47:56] <michealpwalls> Or the whole thing?
[21:47:53] <michealpwalls> Spice of Life?
[21:45:31] <arti> that's a good stripper name
[21:45:00] <michealpwalls> Variety is the spice of life!
[21:44:54] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:44:50] <arti> lol, how many are you used to them wearing?
[21:44:48] <michealpwalls> And only on rare occassions har har har
[21:44:37] <michealpwalls> Pfft, it only drops one panty?
[21:44:24] <arti> changeofheart.sh
[21:44:17] <arti> it's a pretty good panty dropper
[21:44:10] <michealpwalls> Marriage is sillytalk
[21:44:09] * SirFinkus blows kisses
[21:44:01] <SirFinkus> I'd marry all of you
[21:43:36] <michealpwalls> (drunk)
[21:43:35] <michealpwalls> I need a list so I can keep track of all my lists easier
[21:43:26] <arti> you making another marry, fuck, kill list?
[21:42:57] <SirFinkus> I really need to make a list of irc people so I can keep track of this easier
[21:42:37] <michealpwalls> lol
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[21:40:13] <n1> lol
[21:40:08] <deadbeef> karma - respect: -1
[21:40:08] <SirFinkus> respect--
[21:39:35] <arti> great melinko is an excellent album
[21:39:23] <SirFinkus> err, ICP
[21:39:21] <arti> implying you had some in the first place...
[21:39:10] <SirFinkus> I thought you typed IPC and lost respect for you
[21:38:36] * arti enjoys !PC
[21:38:21] <michealpwalls> Ohhh that was politically incorrect arti (rofl)
[21:38:08] <arti> the mediterranean :D
[21:38:04] <michealpwalls> My long term goals: Get the kids fluent in Mandarin. Save tuition for Business Administration and Management.
[21:38:00] <arti> what separates man from the animals?
[21:37:10] <TK> eat*
[21:37:01] <michealpwalls> LMAO!
[21:36:57] <arti> you don't know! you weren't there!
[21:36:51] <michealpwalls> LOL what? Iunno
[21:36:50] <TK> Better teach them how to each carrion
[21:36:41] <arti> so uh, how many vietnam vets does it take to change a lightbulb?
[21:35:46] <michealpwalls> I think, it's going to be completely ridiculous for them LOL!
[21:35:40] <michealpwalls> Oh man.. Don't get me started. I have an extremely depressing view on the world's future. Probably why I push myself so hard to save money and build foundation for the kids :/
[21:35:10] <michealpwalls> (giggle)
[21:35:10] <arti> there's a lot of issues in the world, i'm curious where we'll be in 50 years
[21:35:09] <michealpwalls> Just be happy that you're "investing" in the nation's future, or some other fluffy thing :)
[21:34:38] <michealpwalls> I don't put much of anything in and take out quite a big
[21:34:34] <arti> well as long as it isn't a net negative you're not a POS
[21:34:24] <michealpwalls> I used to, although now it's opposite.
[21:34:13] * arti shakes fist
[21:34:07] * arti pays more in than he gets out
[21:33:58] <michealpwalls> LOL arti
[21:33:52] <arti> Blackmoore: some more than others
[21:33:52] <michealpwalls> arti: No man is an island :)
[21:33:45] <Blackmoore> arti noone lives in a vaccuum. we all depend on people around us.
[21:33:28] <michealpwalls> I suppose my opinion can be offensive. Apologies. I'm sure there are many religious individuals that do many selfless acts to help people. I still, however, have absolutely no trust or respect in the actual organizations. In fact I see the organizations are harmful to society as a whole.
[21:33:14] <arti> "damn them for offering some help that i wasn't forced to take!"
[21:32:51] <arti> ~shrug~ how about just support yourself and don't depend on others
[21:32:26] <michealpwalls> 'cause Condoms indirectly limit membership growth in the church and thereby indirectly limit donation growth? :)
[21:32:21] <Blackmoore> I've known some decent church leaders who actuall DID help people; and didnt give a damn if it helped the church.. I also saw them forced out of that church.
[21:32:08] <michealpwalls> arti: HEH! Is that why the pope disagrees with condoms? :)9
[21:31:59] <michealpwalls> I agree, SirFinkus. Suppose that's a pretty fair way to put it :)
[21:30:30] <SirFinkus> I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but in general
[21:30:11] <SirFinkus> at best, churches are middlemen when it comes to charity
[21:29:21] <arti> people also breed and increase membership
[21:28:46] <michealpwalls> They do things to increase membership, to increase donations.
[21:28:41] <arti> you forget people are irrational.
[21:28:38] <michealpwalls> They can, sure. But I don't agree that that is why organized religions do things.
[21:28:26] <arti> people can do nice things, regardless
[21:28:10] <arti> i disagree.
[21:27:53] <michealpwalls> Everything they do, is done with the goal of increasing membership...
[21:27:45] <michealpwalls> arti: I think, in the same way a Marketing & Public Relations Department of a large corporation "helps people", Churches "help people" :)
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[21:26:44] <bacon> \ through the nose. /
[21:26:44] <bacon> / Air pollution is really making us pay \
[21:26:44] <bacon> _______________________________________
[21:26:44] <Blackmoore> cowsay-fortune
[21:25:45] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:25:32] <arti> fucking crutchy lol
[21:25:24] <bacon> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[21:25:24] <bacon> ~~ ~~
[21:25:24] <bacon> * /\---/\
[21:25:24] <bacon> / | ||
[21:25:24] <bacon> /------\/
[21:25:24] <bacon> (oo)
[21:25:24] <bacon> (__)
[21:25:23] <dentonj> moo
[21:25:13] <michealpwalls> I understand your fear, arti :)
[21:24:45] <arti> michealpwalls: i've been bitten by a dog, all dogs are bad.
[21:24:45] <michealpwalls> The only thing that will help is yourself..
[21:24:32] <Blackmoore> indeed it does.
[21:24:31] <michealpwalls> I've been homeless. Churches use your fucking status as a carrot-stick..
[21:24:22] <n1> and if a homeless person feels safer on the streets than in one of the 'programs' that says something about the quality of the program
[21:24:16] <michealpwalls> "helped" bullshit
[21:24:08] <arti> this is where those evil churches helped out
[21:23:55] <Blackmoore> today - yes. if you go back a hundred years, not so much
[21:23:53] <michealpwalls> So, the choice is.. Abuse your substance of choice, or stay in the shelter. This is partly why you see many homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk. There's also rampant mental health reasons, too...
[21:23:51] <n1> or are even the right ones
[21:23:46] <n1> because the programs are there doesnt meant they work
[21:23:30] <arti> Blackmoore: there are many programs to deal with homeless people
[21:23:24] <michealpwalls> Well it's not entirely false. I wouldn't say 'most' but a very lage portion do indeed choose to be there, because homeless shelters will *not* let intoxicated people stay there...
[21:23:17] <Blackmoore> well, all of us.
[21:22:57] <michealpwalls> Mental health etc.
[21:22:56] <Blackmoore> that is an awful assumption
[21:22:49] <arti> the ones that are on the street are usually there by choice, they've got substance abuse issues
[21:22:37] <Blackmoore> well, yes.
[21:22:29] <arti> assuming most homeless people wanted help
[21:22:14] <Blackmoore> and if they followed what they preached - that homeless guy would be able to go there - and actually get help to get out of that situatiuon. instead they are more likely to get him arrested for vagrency
[21:22:06] <arti> we can do a prototype on the MC server
[21:21:52] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:21:50] <michealpwalls> My brush is pretty wide, it's doing fine
[21:21:44] <arti> lets do a kickstarter
[21:21:41] <arti> i think you need a larger brush to paint with
[21:21:22] <michealpwalls> That's essentially the fundamental issue I take with organized religion. They all preach the same bullshit.
[21:21:21] <arti> michealpwalls: since you're ignorant of religion how are you coming to these opnions, take buddhism, that's inward focused
[21:21:08] <michealpwalls> If you're homeless, the only thing that will bring you up is to get up and do something about. WAiting around for a "miracle" or intevention from some "higher power" is counter-productive...
[21:20:43] <arti> Blackmoore, wasn't there some scandal with mother theresa?
[21:20:42] <Blackmoore> true arti - in the begining it was how you kept order in the clan. a set of rules to keep the tribe alive
[21:20:38] <michealpwalls> It's destructive in that it teaches complacency and this whole "submit to a higher power" crap. Even if you exclude all the political bullshit, such as "Submit unto Caesar" the way it teaches people that they are powerless is complete shit.
[21:19:53] <arti> michealpwalls: even absense of relgion isn't some paradise, mao, stalin
[21:19:34] <Blackmoore> AND then claim to give it to the poor.
[21:19:29] <arti> michealpwalls: what isn't that is run by man
[21:19:19] <arti> take from the poor :|
[21:19:13] <Blackmoore> thing going on.
[21:19:01] <Blackmoore> todays group of them preach a kind of "jesus says you should be rich - so give us your money"
[21:18:54] <SirFinkus> has a pretty good rundown
[21:18:47] <michealpwalls> I agree, arti. Religion is a destructive, manipulative mechanism of control.
[21:18:33] <Blackmoore> Evengelicals are born again xtians.
[21:18:29] <SirFinkus> http://evangelcathedral.net
[21:18:17] <arti> by that same logic, so is math.
[21:18:15] <michealpwalls> If you start throwing around sects like Protestants and that you've totally lost me :P
[21:18:10] <Blackmoore> arti: yes - and it always has been.
[21:18:04] <michealpwalls> I though when you said evengelical, you meant pushy.. Sorry, I'm very ignorant when it comes to religion.
[21:17:46] <arti> you're far too sensible blackmoore, religion is a control mechanism to many people
[21:17:37] <Blackmoore> I dont know any evengelical churches who help the poor.
[21:17:13] <Blackmoore> they saw church as a function of community - a social tool to bind a community together and help people through hard times
[21:16:16] <michealpwalls> I'm an omnivore..
[21:16:13] <Blackmoore> if you look at the resumes, you have a set of founders who were damn sure the bible was a story, to be learned from - not a fundamental truth
[21:15:53] <michealpwalls> LOL arti
[21:15:45] <arti> well as long as you're not a vegan athiest, then you'd be a total asshole
[21:15:38] <michealpwalls> I feel organized religions do more harm than good, hense atheist. The whole submitting to a higher power and etc. It's very destructive idea IMHO.
[21:15:15] <michealpwalls> I'm an atheist. I used to be agnostic but life experience pushed me more to atheism.
[21:14:45] <SirFinkus> Jefferson was a deist or maybe an atheist
[21:14:36] <arti> without proof, it's belief.
[21:14:27] <Landon> "who rigs the elections, we doooo, we dooooooooooooooo"
[21:14:15] <michealpwalls> arti: Depends on the context, I suppose? To be vague, I think it's a mathematical certainty that intelligent life exists outside Earth...
[21:14:08] * arti has considered becoming an Elk
[21:13:45] <Blackmoore> a number of them were also masons, so they had a wider background, and most of them studied many religions (as part of a process of always learning)
[21:13:44] <arti> do you believe ET exist?
[21:13:20] <arti> btw what's your stance on aliens michael?
[21:12:44] <michealpwalls> Interesting view!
[21:12:44] <Blackmoore> well, they belived in a higher power, and did attend church - but they didnt try to play the game of "my religion is better"
[21:12:33] <arti> michaelpwalls: if you're a male, you're a rapist
[21:12:28] <michealpwalls> Exactly.
[21:12:26] <michealpwalls> LMAO arti
[21:12:20] <arti> blackmore: we can only deal with extremes
[21:12:15] <michealpwalls> I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to religion, hehe. What is the difference between a theist and a 'bible thumper' (Pretty silly term, sorry :P)
[21:11:56] <michealpwalls> What do you mean?
[21:11:43] <Blackmoore> most of the US founders were theists, not bible thumpers
[21:08:55] <michealpwalls> KInda like reading about U.S founding fathers.. They were all a bunch of freakish bible thumpers :/
[21:08:41] <michealpwalls> I still more to practicalities, but again that's probably more of environment. This is 2014, back then I'm sure it was much more common to be so evangelical?
[21:07:57] <michealpwalls> hehe well a lot of powerful families use religion as a tool to strengthen the family tie, like their bond.. Iunno.
[21:07:47] <Blackmoore> the way that they moved money - I was fine with that
[21:07:27] <Blackmoore> michealpwalls: eh - it was the evengelical christianity that they were pushing that turned me off
[21:07:03] <michealpwalls> I think we can all learn a lot from that family.
[21:06:57] <michealpwalls> Check 'em out sometime :)
[21:06:46] <michealpwalls> Everysingle year they would all write to each other and update each other on the current status. What was working, what wasn't working and etc. How much they've managed to add into the family trust, etc.
[21:06:08] <michealpwalls> There's a massive history of incremental growth with that family. Each member sacraficed their individual lives for the good of the family as a whole...
[21:05:48] <n1> just looking after his family, those other people need to take personal responsibility to look after theirs
[21:05:44] <michealpwalls> Checkout the Rothschilds family. Go allll the way back, though.
[21:05:26] <n1> his kids, his kids kids etc etc
[21:05:12] <michealpwalls> He's got a lot of kids?
[21:05:08] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:05:04] <n1> michealpwalls, those shirts are for his family
[21:04:43] <michealpwalls> hehehe
[21:04:40] <michealpwalls> You're starting to sound like some kinda COMMUNIST, Blackmoore!
[21:04:02] <michealpwalls> (rofl)
[21:04:01] <michealpwalls> For all the suckers losing their shits, some lucky bastard is up a whole bunch of shirts :)
[21:03:47] <michealpwalls> lol Blackmoore that's true. zero-sum game :P
[21:03:11] <michealpwalls> Out traveling for the week, back for the weekend. That was shit
[21:03:00] <michealpwalls> I stopped doing inventory for that reason
[21:02:32] <michealpwalls> Yea, unfortunately n1 :/
[21:02:19] <Blackmoore> (saw amway from the ground floor. I cant do it morally, but at least i understood how it stays legal)
[21:02:16] <n1> michealpwalls, a lot of people have been without parents because of that kind of thing
[21:01:43] <michealpwalls> Also his expenses were very high, since he traveled all the time. Paid outrageous taxes and duties etc.
[21:01:41] <n1> or under the bed or wherever you keep your money
[21:01:29] <n1> you need to be paid a lot so you have more than a years worth of 'everything went to shit' money in the bank.
[21:01:27] <Blackmoore> eh, get-rich-quick are usually scams, but someone usually ends up rich in the end.
[21:01:20] <michealpwalls> 'cause you're away too damned much, in my 3rd-person experience (Why wife's father was an electrician. He made good money but was basically *never* around. That's a massive sacrafice:/)
[21:01:03] <n1> you can get paid a lot but that doesnt mean much if your obligations end up matching them
[21:00:52] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Project Ara: Google's Modular Smartphone - http://sylnt.us - plug-and-play
[21:00:49] <michealpwalls> Even skilled trades isn't worth it
[21:00:25] <SirFinkus> skilled labor can qualify for that
[20:59:05] <n1> unless you happen to find a job where working hard pays a lot
[20:59:04] <TK> michaelpwalls: I would think that retarding a get rich quick scheme would make it not work, just by definition
[20:58:55] <n1> working hard doesn't give you economic security
[20:58:45] <n1> michealpwalls, the get-rich-quick scheme is a way of making life easier for your kids
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[20:56:32] <Blackmoore> but it wont have anything to do with what i do.
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[20:56:24] <michealpwalls> Look at some of the most powerful families out there. Of course, this doesn't apply to all cases (Or even a majority cases, to be frank..) but many of them grew this way over time.. Investing in the family, not the individual.
[20:56:01] <Blackmoore> well, if I want to think about my Great ^5 kids.. i hope that there was a revolution and the politics and economics are better
[20:55:47] <michealpwalls> To stop with his retarded 'get-rich-quick' schemes and just think about making life easier for his kids... So they can make life easier for *their* kids and so on/so forth.
[20:55:44] <Landon> (or basic income rolls out, blah blah blah)
[20:55:30] <Landon> n1: and then the kids^10 will blow their money and the cycle starts over :)
[20:55:24] <michealpwalls> Well, it's true pretty much. It took awhile for me to convince my brother..
[20:55:14] <n1> just anger that i thought and then said it
[20:55:07] <n1> but dont have anything to counter it with
[20:55:02] <n1> ive said similar things before, and it's surprising how people get angry at me saying that
[20:54:59] <Blackmoore> I'm pertty sure that they'll do better than me. (but they do have a rich aunt who will probably open doors for them)
[20:54:36] <n1> heh
[20:53:58] <michealpwalls> That's the way to look on the bright side :)
[20:53:52] <michealpwalls> ROFL n1. Atta boy!
[20:53:51] <Blackmoore> I'm really proud of my kids - they learned from us(the parents) and doing well in college
[20:53:42] <michealpwalls> haha Landon
[20:53:42] <n1> might be able to enjoy life
[20:53:39] <n1> in maybe another 300 years, my kids-kids-kids-kids-kids
[20:53:34] <Landon> well.. it does work to some extent :) until you get a whiff of ambition
[20:53:30] <michealpwalls> Get a job, get married, have kids, buy a car, buy a house... Profit?
[20:53:27] <n1> my parents worked hard for me, so i could work hard for my kids, so they could work hard for their kids
[20:53:19] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: Well, that's what society seems to instruct...
[20:52:50] <michealpwalls> That probably means a tonne to them :)
[20:52:44] <michealpwalls> It's cool that you can see the hard work your parents put in, Landon!
[20:52:41] <Blackmoore> I didnt have folks who helped. they assumed you could get by on a HS diploma, and get married and everything would fall into place.
[20:52:39] <Landon> my parents both saved for my college and then decided to outright pay for it (not out of savings), so those accounts are going to be handed down to my kids eventually
[20:52:23] <michealpwalls> So they don' thave to climb as high as I had to, you know? Also to be that role model that I never had hehe
[20:52:16] <Landon> yep
[20:52:06] <Landon> kids/married right out of highschool, don't bother to do a strenuous degree in college, etc
[20:52:02] <michealpwalls> Basically my entire plan for the future is to build a foundation for my kids hehe
[20:51:43] <Landon> I grew up rurally, never realized until college how much effort my parents made to keep me from going the path of most other people there
[20:51:41] <n1> Blackmoore, from experience, my first business failed.
[20:51:30] <Blackmoore> no it aint.
[20:51:18] <michealpwalls> It's not an easy path :/
[20:51:17] * SirFinkus really just discovered this video and wanted to post it because it was slightly relevant
[20:51:11] <michealpwalls> I'm from a very poor neighborhood and made the choice to go to college, stay out of trouble etc. Although it wasn't easy and I suffered for a long time to get here. I just easily see why so little people follow in the path I took..
[20:50:57] <Blackmoore> most people who start businesses FAIL at least 3 times
[20:50:43] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com here, have an example of a lazy rich person
[20:50:39] <michealpwalls> Landon: Sorry hehe. I'm kind of an example of your point, though :)
[20:50:25] <n1> the vast majority who start their own business are dedicated and work very hard... but most still fail
[20:50:21] <Landon> just adding extra information
[20:50:18] <Landon> michealpwalls: flame shields down, not trying to discredit your point
[20:50:18] <Blackmoore> and no matter how hard the ambious poor guy works - it is always f'in hard. the rich kid gets breaks that that other guy would never see.
[20:50:03] <michealpwalls> That certainly is not the norm.
[20:50:02] <n1> michealpwalls, the easiest statistic on that to draw is how many businesses fail in the first 3 years of business
[20:49:59] <michealpwalls> Landon: Right. That's what percentage? You can't take 1 or 2 anecdotes and consider it the norm...
[20:49:45] <Landon> I wish I remembered any details about it so I could find the story online
[20:49:40] <michealpwalls> n1: That's true, very true. (Working hard does not always lead to 'success')
[20:49:33] <Blackmoore> I've known both ambitous and lazy poor. and ambitious and lazy rich
[20:49:29] <Landon> michealpwalls: that's funny, because I was just listening on NPR how drug dealers and gang bangers are sending their kids to volunteer organizations and whatnot to get them out of the life
[20:49:04] <n1> its a complex situation which too many people see in black and white
[20:48:50] <n1> me too
[20:48:39] <Blackmoore> n1: yeah - and i guess that is part of what makes me bitter about it
[20:47:58] <n1> inherit*
[20:47:55] <Blackmoore> SirFinkus: i had to explain that to my dad 40 years ago
[20:47:52] <n1> Blackmoore, but those people get a free pass because their dad did the work, so they inheret the right to tell people less fortunate how lazy they are
[20:47:49] <michealpwalls> The only people with money and cars are drug dealers and gang bangers. Yet we're all shocked when little Jimmy decides he wants to join a gang when he grows up, instead of going to college. I'm not sure why it's so shocking really LOL.
[20:47:25] <SirFinkus> I had to explain to my dad that you can't really pay for college + room and board working a part time janitorial job anymore
[20:47:21] <Blackmoore> and I've know rich people who - never made decisions, and continued to be rich assholes
[20:47:05] <michealpwalls> When you fill massive apartment complexes... 6, 7 and 8 full size apartment buildings in a single block with *all* low-income families.. Where is the role models for the kids growing up?
[20:46:50] <n1> and they will always lose
[20:46:47] <n1> they'd never be anything, the world is against them
[20:46:41] <n1> I know people who don't make decisions, and never have, because they grew up in an environment where they were told
[20:46:33] <michealpwalls> The environment was built by society as a whole...
[20:46:24] <michealpwalls> That's a person choice they've made, that was heavily influence by the environment they grew up in.
[20:46:15] <michealpwalls> or become a drug dealer...
[20:46:14] <michealpwalls> Indeed. It *always* comes down to personal choice and personal responsibility. However, the reason I blame society is that it's society that builds these "communities" that are essentially large ghettos. In such an environment, it is very very difficult for a child to take responsibility in a way that's productive.. That's the bottom line. They *are* taking responsibility when they join a gang
[20:46:12] <SirFinkus> naw n1, you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps
[20:46:10] <Blackmoore> i should know I get shit on every day
[20:46:06] <n1> indeed
[20:45:57] <n1> but you still might get shit on from a great height, regardless of the troubles you have overcome
[20:45:53] <Blackmoore> but if you dont even mke a decision that is your fault too
[20:45:42] <n1> you can be a great person, you can work every day, as hard as you can
[20:45:37] <Blackmoore> it is BS
[20:45:28] <Blackmoore> no not at all
[20:45:28] <n1> is just bullshit
[20:45:26] <n1> but the idea as long as we work hard and are dedicated, we all can
[20:45:21] <SirFinkus> not really that easy Blackmoore
[20:45:17] <n1> an individual can determine and get to their goals
[20:45:10] <Blackmoore> but you cant do that in a vaccuum
[20:45:02] <michealpwalls> Growing up in a shit neighborhood, that is.
[20:44:56] <Blackmoore> I would agree that it is an individual who has to determine to go where they want to be.
[20:44:53] <michealpwalls> Largely I blame society for making it so difficult, though..
[20:44:25] <michealpwalls> Indeed. Although both are true to an extent, in my opinion..
[20:44:05] <n1> because people being the product of their environment causes the 'personal responsibility, it's your fault anything bad happens to you' to lose value
[20:44:01] <Blackmoore> it is society who determines what areas are affulent, and which are decreptit
[20:43:31] <Blackmoore> you are right michealpwalls - I wish i was kidding
[20:43:14] <michealpwalls> I Blame society, myself :)
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[20:42:56] <Blackmoore> it's like noone has ever figured out that misery instills misery in people.
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[20:41:46] <michealpwalls> "See, I would have thought that living in a crap neighborhood would have a stronger correlation to having crap income and therefore crap access to healthcare and nutrition, which would then have direct, causal relationships with the subject's health. But what do I know?" LMAO wish I had mod points :)
[20:41:18] <SirFinkus> yeah, I spend a lot of time alone in my room with the door locked
[20:41:01] <SedBot> <michulpwulls> That's what Linus refers to as "Mental Masterbation", I believe :)
[20:41:01] <michealpwalls> s/why/what/
[20:40:53] <michealpwalls> That's why Linus refers to as "Mental Masterbation", I believe :)
[20:40:46] <TK> "Shuffling the GUI" should be a euphemism for something
[20:40:30] <arti> SirFinkus: oh something comes of it
[20:40:30] <michealpwalls> That was well reasoned :)
[20:40:24] <michealpwalls> LOL SirFinkus. Touche!
[20:40:15] <SirFinkus> and closed source, you're only gratifying yourself and nothing comes of it
[20:40:11] <arti> they should have to pay for that :P
[20:40:10] <michealpwalls> The Consultants of sex, if you will?
[20:40:05] <arti> isn't it what you want to see, and why would they be reviewing
[20:39:36] <TK> You pay them to be honest, but really, they're going to tell you what you want to hear
[20:39:17] <TK> Cam girls are the masturbatory equivalent of a third party review of your source
[20:39:15] <SirFinkus> the receiver of the source may be gratified, but it ends there
[20:39:09] <michealpwalls> (rofl) SirFinkus
[20:38:59] <SirFinkus> now with homosexual sex, the source is incorporated, but it's a dead end
[20:38:53] <michealpwalls> LOL TK that is why I televise all my sexual acts. It's the responsible thing to do(tm)
[20:38:28] <SirFinkus> the result is a new "project"
[20:38:26] <michealpwalls> LOL
[20:38:25] <michealpwalls> By impregnating a woman, you are forking her DNA.
[20:38:21] <TK> Just imagine the number of bugs are errors one could be unknowingly repeating without third party eyes to verify technique
[20:38:18] <michealpwalls> It's like Forking
[20:38:18] <SirFinkus> or vis-versa depending on how you look at it
[20:38:12] <michealpwalls> LOL
[20:38:06] <SirFinkus> the act of conception is taking the source and modifying it with the mother's dna
[20:37:30] <michealpwalls> haha TK, indeed!
[20:37:25] <michealpwalls> TK: Indeed! But they cannot share these events from past partners, that would be wrong (Hense Open Source, but not GPL)
[20:37:24] <SirFinkus> without being too graphic, sex is basically information exchange
[20:37:23] <TK> But you never share what you learn on your own
[20:37:08] <SirFinkus> so let me explain my rational
[20:36:47] <Blackmoore> *nope.. not going to type in that next line*
[20:36:35] <TK> @michael makes sense, people learn "little tricks" from their partners, then teach them to future partners
[20:36:22] <Blackmoore> well fine. *zip* the things I have to do to be GPL compliant :(
[20:36:05] <michealpwalls> THis article is such fluff. 5 paragraphs in and there hasn't been a single tangible case mentioned. Always vague, generalizations such as "negative events", "physical and social risks", "stressors"... LOL it's like the research report of a fucking Politician :/
[20:33:01] <michealpwalls> LOL solitary vice
[20:32:59] * arti came across some victorian era stuff
[20:32:59] <SirFinkus> nope, you've got it wrong
[20:32:49] <michealpwalls> Homosexual/Heterosexual Sex in private is like Open Source (Open != Free) and masturbation is just proprietary/closed source (And wrong!)
[20:32:47] <arti> the solitary vice
[20:32:42] <arti> an amusing masturbatory reference i've been using
[20:32:36] <SirFinkus> well, the effects of stress are well documented
[20:32:22] <michealpwalls> I think public/filmed sex == GPL
[20:32:12] <michealpwalls> Masturbation is def. proprietary/closed source.
[20:32:04] <michealpwalls> Beside anecdotes, I wonder how much evidence there is to suggest real health-related effects of Depression.
[20:31:57] <SirFinkus> so heterosexual sex = GPL, homosexual sex = BSD, masturbation = closed source
[20:30:56] <michealpwalls> Just in: Being in a poor neighbour leads to fear and depression! SHOCKER
[20:30:32] <michealpwalls> That's just lame!
[20:30:29] <michealpwalls> Gah, so "fear", "depression" are "health affects"? (dull)
[20:30:13] * arti focuses on email sending
[20:30:07] <arti> hahahaha
[20:29:47] <SirFinkus> wow, my train of though is alarming me now
[20:27:59] <SirFinkus> they're like DRM
[20:27:39] <SirFinkus> oh wait, those would be disallowed under the lisense
[20:27:37] <arti> "and that's how we make hotdogs"
[20:27:28] <michealpwalls> (puke)
[20:27:08] <SirFinkus> I'll have a stack of them bedside, next to the condoms
[20:26:40] <arti> the clone wars!
[20:26:30] * SirFinkus begins modifying the gpl so that it works for flesh
[20:25:12] <michealpwalls> hehe
[20:25:04] <arti> turtle.sh
[20:24:56] * arti thinks about stds
[20:24:45] <SirFinkus> you are free to incorporate his genetic material, as long as you redistribute it and make the source available
[20:24:29] <michealpwalls> hehe
[20:23:55] <arti> meh, i've seen worse....code
[20:22:50] <michealpwalls> haha
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[20:22:15] <SirFinkus> His flesh is libre
[20:21:38] <michealpwalls> LMAO arti
[20:21:34] <michealpwalls> God this guy's a legend
[20:21:34] <arti> "your move audience"
[20:21:24] <michealpwalls> (rofl)
[20:21:22] <michealpwalls> Top result
[20:21:21] <Blackmoore> ew.
[20:21:20] <michealpwalls> LMAO of course I found it! https://www.youtube.com
[20:21:14] <Blackmoore> i just ate lunch man..
[20:21:09] <arti> oh the toe jam thing was awesome
[20:21:00] <Blackmoore> *throws up*
[20:20:58] <SirFinkus> Torvalds is an asshole too, but in a good way
[20:20:45] <michealpwalls> (puke)
[20:20:42] <michealpwalls> Then he proceeds to eat whatever it was he picked from his foot.
[20:20:35] <michealpwalls> I still can't get past the video I seen... He was explaining something at a conference whilst sitting in a chair... Without missing a beat in his conversation he bends over, slips off his sock and starts picking stuff from his foot :O
[20:20:27] * SirFinkus claps
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[20:20:04] <bacon> (oo)
[20:20:03] <bacon> (__)
[20:20:03] <dentonj> moo
[20:19:57] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[20:19:56] <michealpwalls> RMS is a legend
[20:19:48] <SirFinkus> RMS is kind of an asshole too, but he doesn't know any better
[20:19:46] <Blackmoore> "they both suck can we just shut up about it?"
[20:19:43] <michealpwalls> brownshirts?
[20:19:40] * arti would totally do that
[20:19:32] <michealpwalls> haha
[20:19:31] * arti wonders if he has a painting of the brownshirts thing on his wall
[20:19:26] <Blackmoore> I think my problem is that im burned out on the argument.
[20:18:52] <michealpwalls> I accept that. I don't think anyone should be idolized, per se. I certainly have a lot of respect for Bill Gates, though! I'm not afraid to admit it :)
[20:18:50] <Blackmoore> both assholes. they know how to use people. and profited from it
[20:18:40] * Teckla is with Blackmoore who is with SirFinkus.
[20:18:23] <Blackmoore> i'm with SirFinkus.
[20:18:12] <SirFinkus> they're both assholes
[20:18:06] <michealpwalls> And, one could argue, if you use immoral money for moral things (Philanthropy..) does it balance out? :/
[20:18:00] <Teckla> Not that I actually care one bit about Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. If people want to demonize one and angelify the other, I guess I don't care. People need their idols and their enemies.
[20:17:33] <michealpwalls> Jah. Would that simply make the money 'immoral', then? Certainly not stolen :P
[20:17:07] <Teckla> michealpwalls: All the immoral and unethical things MS has done, etc.
[20:15:57] <michealpwalls> How could you argue that, I wonder? (You've made me interested, if only a morbid interest..)
[20:15:40] <michealpwalls> hah
[20:15:23] <Teckla> michealpwalls: I could argue that all the money BG has dedicated to philanthropic initiatives was stolen money in the first place. ;)
[20:13:02] <michealpwalls> At least one :)(
[20:12:52] <michealpwalls> LMAO no matter how much I test and review it, I end up releasing it with a bug :(
[20:12:40] <michealpwalls> amagad I'm like the bug king
[20:08:37] <SirFinkus> thanks sedbot!
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[20:04:52] <SirFinkus> I have one, it's the best laptop I've ever used
[19:59:36] <michealpwalls> To be fair, if the rmbp was much less expensive, it would likely be my ideal machine. The price makes it impossible for me to really like though :/
[19:52:37] <michealpwalls> More like a .deb
[19:52:34] <michealpwalls> Well maybe like like .apk
[19:51:48] <michealpwalls> Very smart. Jus tlike the Android .apk files. Just a zip file with big binaries and everything it needs all in one place.
[19:51:30] <michealpwalls> Their disk-image based app distribution is pretty slick... It contains fat-file binaries for various different platforms, allowing seamless "double-click" to run regardless of platform :/
[19:51:00] <michealpwalls> Yea OS X has a lot of good ideas that other systems can learn from
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[19:49:43] <SirFinkus> the window management stinks
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[19:48:50] <arti> you just have to be able to tolerate their workflow
[19:48:33] <arti> done
[19:48:31] <arti> drag that app the to trash
[19:48:26] <arti> uninstallation is sweet
[19:48:19] * arti likes many things about osx
[19:47:57] <michealpwalls> And becomes unreadable (Text) at high resolutions and imagines become distorted and pixelated at low resolutions. I always assumed OS X did that by implementing everything as a scalable graphic
[19:47:49] * arti agrees
[19:47:25] <michealpwalls> Wheras on Windows and most other systems, everything stays static..
[19:47:16] <michealpwalls> I admired at how elegantly everything scaled when changing resolutions on OS X though. Even very low or very high resolutions, everything (Including the text) scaled to be a comfortable size in relation to the chosen resolution
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[19:41:16] <arti> https://developer.apple.com
[19:40:47] <arti> there is quartz, which is a graphics api that allows vector transforms and gradients
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[19:38:03] <SirFinkus> looking for svgs?
[19:37:32] * arti needs to examine mavericks more
[19:36:34] <SirFinkus> that's probably be too cpu intensive for now
[19:35:45] <michealpwalls> I thought they were svgs all over the place
[19:35:42] <SirFinkus> nope
[19:35:35] <michealpwalls> It's not vectors?
[19:35:24] <arti> greetings
[19:35:15] <arti> but you're right about scalable, especially with the price :D
[19:34:54] <SirFinkus> osx doesn't use vectors extensively, or at all afaik
[19:34:40] <arti> most of the icons are pngs
[19:34:40] <SirFinkus> wut
[19:34:35] * arti o.o
[19:34:28] <michealpwalls> Scalable at all, LMAO if they even *support* vector graphics at all, that is ;)
[19:34:16] <michealpwalls> Whereas most other systems are not..
[19:34:10] <michealpwalls> YOu mean how everything is scalable? OS X is crazy for it's graphics. I think everysingle tiny, minute little graphic in the OS X interface is a vector graphic that can scale seamlessly... It gives it a massive advantage when shrinking/expanding :/
[19:33:38] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:33:37] <SirFinkus> there's these too
[19:32:46] <michealpwalls> $700 for a monitor, though. My wife would flip out. This entire laptop was ~$699 hehehe
[19:32:28] <SirFinkus> ehh, osx still handles the resolution better than anything else I've tried
[19:32:19] <michealpwalls> But damn that website is smooth.. LOL look at it!
[19:32:06] <michealpwalls> You make a pretty valid point though. The Pixel is crazy expensive for what it is :/
[19:31:55] <michealpwalls> lol jk
[19:31:43] <SirFinkus> I think the dell one I linked doesn't use the latest hdmi standards, so you only get 30hz
[19:31:41] <michealpwalls> Yea, true SirFinkus. Then you're on OS X though :/
[19:31:08] <SirFinkus> for the price of the pixel, you might as well get a rmbp
[19:31:04] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[19:31:02] <michealpwalls> Wow that's a lot of pixels :O
[19:30:31] <SirFinkus> http://accessories.us.dell.com
[19:30:21] <michealpwalls> Not sure if I like the website better than the laptop, though.. Beautiful website! :O
[19:30:07] <michealpwalls> http://www.google.com
[19:29:54] <michealpwalls> Google Pixel looks pretty nice. Pixel ChromeBook or whatever it's called
[19:29:01] <michealpwalls> Interesting!
[19:28:51] <SirFinkus> which sounds about right PPI wise
[19:28:29] <SirFinkus> I think dell has a 28" 4k one
[19:27:43] <michealpwalls> Didn't even know there was any :O
[19:27:37] <michealpwalls> desktop retinas?
[19:21:56] <SirFinkus> and most of them are 1k
[19:21:38] <SirFinkus> 30hz, TN panels, no scaling etc
[19:21:19] <SirFinkus> all the ones released now have issues based on what I've seen
[19:20:59] <SirFinkus> I can't wait for the desktop monitors to mature a bit
[19:19:13] <michealpwalls> Was soooo incredible.
[19:19:07] <michealpwalls> I miss the Retina display that my MacBook Pro had :O
[19:17:43] <michealpwalls> Nicely put, TK :)
[19:17:36] <michealpwalls> hah
[19:17:14] <TK> All human beings are douchebags, some are serfs, some are royals
[19:17:01] <michealpwalls> Granted you make some good points :P
[19:16:19] <michealpwalls> The guy's a royal douchebag. Not sure why people defend him as you do, to be fair..
[19:16:03] <michealpwalls> And even if they do, does it matter? THey're still popping out children they don't take care of..
[19:15:50] <michealpwalls> Teckla: Meh. The same logic can be used to claim anything as 'potentially true'. It's a fact that BG has donated an incredible amount of time and money to philanthropic initiatives and has achieved quantifiable results (I.E: Polio and Malaria). I have seen nothing about Steve except that he was a dead-beat father. I have a hard time beleving dead-beat fathers donate to charities :)
[19:13:40] <Blackmoore> yup
[19:13:08] <michealpwalls> iTunes is like the legitimate Napster
[19:12:49] <michealpwalls> 99 cent music.. Genius.
[19:12:44] <michealpwalls> ^ Agreed
[19:12:29] <TK> Now whoever made the decision to use itunes to generate untold amounts of essentially free money, that's your visionary genius right there.
[19:11:38] <michealpwalls> At least it doesn't make any bold claims! I like it :)
[19:11:36] <Teckla> Also, regarding BG's philanthropic efforts, I believe Jobs' stated opinion was that charity should be anonymous. Nobody really knows how much he invested in philanthropic efforts.
[19:11:21] <michealpwalls> LOL
[19:10:53] <TK> There, a statement that doesn't call him a visionary genius or a bullying hack
[19:10:28] <Teckla> michealpwalls: What Microsoft actually did for Apple that actually mattered was sign an agreement to supply IE for Mac and to continue to supply Office for Mac.
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[19:10:13] <TK> Steve Jobs: Recently deceased CEO of a company that specializes in comsumer electronics, and distribution of electronic media
[19:10:10] <michealpwalls> Things get taken out of context, but what Bill Said about memory still holds water today. Good programmers can make use of the memory they're given and I think that's ultimately his point, or at least, that's what *I* take away from it..
[19:10:08] <Blackmoore> http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:09:57] <Blackmoore> In 1996, Michael Spindler was replaced by Gil Amelio as CEO. Gil Amelio made many changes at Apple, including extensive layoffs.[61] After numerous failed attempts to improve Mac OS, first with the Taligent project, then later with Copland and Gershwin, Amelio chose to purchase NeXT and its NeXTSTEP operating system, bringing Steve Jobs back to Apple as an advisor.[62] On July 9, 1997, Amelio was ousted by the board of directors after overseeing a thre
[19:09:54] <Blackmoore> ;)
[19:09:51] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Microsoft's investment in Apple didn't save Apple. Apple was never anywhere near their last $150 million.
[19:09:06] <michealpwalls> Star Trek has done more to change our lives than any tech company I can think of :)
[19:08:57] <michealpwalls> Teckla: Exactly right about Sci-Fi, have to agree! :)
[19:08:44] <Teckla> But it's still a popular myth that Microsoft bailed out Apple, same as it's still a popular myth that Bill Gates claimed that 640k should be enough for anyone.
[19:08:15] <michealpwalls> It wasn't credit or "stock options" hehe
[19:08:08] <Teckla> michealpwalls: At Apple's scale at the time, $150 million was peanuts.
[19:08:03] <michealpwalls> That's serious cash :O
[19:08:00] <michealpwalls> But I think, don't forget that's a straight cash injection..
[19:07:48] <michealpwalls> It was exactly what Apple needed at the time, facing bankruptcy and liquidation of assets. They got through the trouble without liquidating any of their assets, which was the goal I think. You're right I suppose, that for multinational corporations 150 million is pretty small
[19:07:31] <paulej72> very underpowered I supported 5 or 6 over the years, but they did have full Wacom diitizers that were really good compared to today’s touch screens
[19:07:25] <Teckla> Tablet PCs were a staple of sci-fi before Apple or Microsoft even existed. Science fiction invented the idea of tablet PCs, not technology companies.
[19:07:07] <SirFinkus> I remember around the Vista release MS tried again, they had a huge marketing push about how good it would be on tablets
[19:07:01] <michealpwalls> Teckla: Well, I'm not sure how you can consider a $150 million cash injection insignificant...
[19:06:30] <Blackmoore> i do. underpowered. bad battery life..
[19:06:27] <SirFinkus> of course, I've never actually seen one in real life though, which shows how popular they were
[19:05:52] <michealpwalls> Do you remember those Windows Tablet PCs that ran Windows XP?
[19:05:33] <Teckla> That is, Microsoft's purchase of Apple shares wouldn't have made enough difference to matter (at the rate Apple was bleeding at the time).
[19:05:23] <SirFinkus> not for lack of people trying to introduce them, microsoft had been trying for years
[19:05:09] <SirFinkus> main point is that nobody really wanted or had tablets until the ipad came out
[19:04:46] <Teckla> michealpwalls: From what I've read, Microsoft didn't bail out Apple. Apple had some number of billions in the bank and Microsoft bought some piddly number of shares amounting to something like 150 million.
[19:04:16] <michealpwalls> Pretty much :P
[19:04:09] <SirFinkus> well, I guess it's mostly semantics
[19:03:20] <michealpwalls> I think more accurately, they increased public demand for a niche market that already existed.
[19:02:11] <michealpwalls> That's not "inventing" a market, though.. That's increasing demand.
[19:01:53] <SirFinkus> very few people wanted tablets before the ipad
[19:01:39] <SirFinkus> I said they invented the market, not the devices
[19:01:32] <michealpwalls> They simply made it "look cool", "hip" for fanbois or whatever, I don't know.. LOL. They def. did not invent it.
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[19:01:08] <michealpwalls> Now you're saying "Mainstream" but before you tried to claim they *invented* the market.. Which they clearly did not.
[19:00:56] <michealpwalls> Wait...
[19:00:56] <Blackmoore|AFK> and the failed newton?
[19:00:48] <SirFinkus> yeah actually, they weren't mainstream consumer items
[19:00:32] <michealpwalls> LOL
[19:00:31] <michealpwalls> The idea of a "Personal Data Assistant" ?
[19:00:25] <michealpwalls> Consumer Tablet Market? So we're going to pretend that Palm and et al never existed?
[19:00:07] <michealpwalls> Nope, definately wouldn't call him a loser LOL.
[19:00:07] <SirFinkus> Apple pretty much invented the consumer tablet market under him
[18:59:33] <SirFinkus> well, nothing would, I wouldn't call him a loser
[18:56:15] <michealpwalls> The original idea for the iPhone's design was great and all.. Not sure how much of this came from Steve but even if 100% of the idea came from him, it doesn't justify the ridiculous idolization he received after his death, at least not in my opinion.
[18:53:49] <michealpwalls> I don't think I've skipped much, really. I think I put in the main points hehe :)
[18:53:26] <michealpwalls> hehehe
[18:53:24] <michealpwalls> 'course that last bit is pure speculation :P
[18:53:10] <michealpwalls> The only reason, in my opinion, that he was brought back was so that Apple could ackquire the products that NeXT had (Namely, the Darwin OS that became OS X)
[18:52:46] <SirFinkus> well, you're skipping a bit there
[18:52:23] <michealpwalls> This is a "hero" ? Sound slik ea royal fuckup to me :)
[18:52:16] <michealpwalls> He came back after blowing billions at the failed NeXT company only to die not long after by Cancer.
[18:52:00] <michealpwalls> Steve Jobs was a fucking dead-beat father that used his "friend" Steve Wozniak to make himself rich. He then got drunk with that money, nearly ran Apple into the fucking ground (Had ot be bailed out financially by Microsoft in exchange for a very large volume of Apple shares) and was ultimately *fired* from the Company...
[18:51:35] <SirFinkus> it's a true story
[18:51:31] <SirFinkus> dude, he designed the iphone by himself while on LSD
[18:50:43] <michealpwalls> Bill Gates is curing fucking diseases like Polio, don't see him idolized like Jobs is.. It's really quite irrational to me.
[18:50:19] <michealpwalls> I hate how much Steve Jobs is idolized.. What exactly did he do for "humanity", exactly? :/
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[18:43:31] <michealpwalls> LOL
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[18:35:01] <Woods> TK: Probably. But I do not know.
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[18:25:44] <michealpwalls> Parallel power (flex)
[18:25:32] <Blackmoore> you even saw that on "advanced consoles" like genesis and SNES
[18:25:16] <michealpwalls> SNES was a really cool system :)
[18:24:46] <Blackmoore> yup. a lot of them did.
[18:22:43] <michealpwalls> I think, ultimately, the best way to think about it is the older consoles basically didn't have an OS. LOL. YOu put in the console and the console's software started running and handled the entire system on it's own. Many console cartridges even had companion processors embedded in the cartridge to assist in processing (Donkey Kong, etc. all had these companion processors)
[18:21:13] <michealpwalls> LOL yea, colours were very hw based "back in the day" hehehe
[18:20:39] <Blackmoore> if i want to emulate that hunk of junk - now i have to emulate a crt too.
[18:20:10] <Blackmoore> I grew up with atari. you arent old
[18:19:37] <michealpwalls> I was mainly talking about the more "traditional" consoles, like the SNES and Sega Genesis (Sorry, I'm old hehe)
[18:19:28] <Blackmoore> Where as Minecraft is java.
[18:18:33] <michealpwalls> Most modern "console" games are actually Windows, DirectX games hehe
[18:18:25] <michealpwalls> Indeed ^
[18:18:18] <Landon> _but_ most console games are multiplatform to PC these days
[18:18:14] <michealpwalls> Which is why emulating those console games is a big kick in the balls on a Desktop machine ^
[18:18:02] <michealpwalls> since the speed of the console is static, you can tie a lot of the in-game mechanics to the hardware like speeds and even timings
[18:17:36] <michealpwalls> Also a lot of console games, too
[18:17:22] <michealpwalls> Can't you just configure the speed of Minecraft in the settings? LOL
[18:17:13] <michealpwalls> No, games don't generally work that way these days. A lot of the older 16-bit MS-DOS games did, though.
[18:15:03] <TK> woods: Can I run minecraft in a VM with 10x clockpeed and mod the game so I walk at 0.1x speed?
[18:10:04] <Blackmoore> There is also a mod called Computercraft that you can program with Lua.
[18:09:36] <Blackmoore> @tk.. yes, I would assume the sethbling (look for him on youtube) has done it
[18:09:26] <michealpwalls> wth?
[18:08:52] <SirFinkus> oh wait, that's not the video
[18:08:41] <SirFinkus> crutchy|zzz http://mkv25.net
[18:07:44] <michealpwalls> haha
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[18:06:06] <Woods> Rivers are apparently the best conversation/life enders.
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[18:05:53] <Woods> Wow
[18:05:39] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:05:30] <SirFinkus> review of tacobell bacon am crunchwrap: tastes better than it smells
[18:04:28] <michealpwalls> Apparently the father was going to follow the son and mother into some river to kill himself, too, but was stopped (rofl)
[18:04:14] <michealpwalls> Oh man that story is cray cray :O
[18:03:53] <Landon> ++
[18:02:58] <michealpwalls> Like, building pong in Minecraft is much, much more difficult than actually making a fucking Pong program :/
[18:02:45] <Landon> but really, just give them an FPGA and decent tools :)
[18:02:42] <michealpwalls> At what point do people simply get into programming, I wonder? :O
[18:01:42] <Woods> TK: The screen refreshes horribly slow though, because of the method you have to use to impliment the video display.
[18:01:03] <michealpwalls> LOL
[18:01:02] <michealpwalls> Mother and son commit suicide after an argument over "video game addiction" (League of Legends)
[18:00:39] <michealpwalls> Story: http://www.dailydot.com
[18:00:29] <Landon> http://static.planetminecraft.com
[18:00:14] <Landon> 2) probably
[18:00:11] <Landon> 1) yes
[17:59:40] <TK> 1) Can you make a display in minecraft? 2) Can you emulate Pong in minecraft?
[17:56:21] <crutchy> g'day n1
[17:53:57] <crutchy> catchy tune: http://incompetech.com
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[17:50:56] <Blackmoore> i wonder if that's how people are building the note-block music.
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[17:43:36] <Woods> Crutchy: You can design and assemble red stone "computers" outside of Minecraft and side-load them into the game with a third party app. That removes all of the "physical" monotony of placing blocks, etc.
[17:43:06] <Blackmoore> and ones i cant step on.
[17:42:53] <Blackmoore> *shrug* it's an endless supply of legos.
[17:42:13] <crutchy> some people just have waaaaay too much spare time
[17:42:03] <crutchy> wholly crap shit: https://www.youtube.com
[17:41:28] <Blackmoore> "it is dark, and raining"
[17:41:11] <Blackmoore> "you bed was destroyed. you have respawned in a completely random location"
[17:40:15] <Woods> "He teleports to you and kills you. You are dead"
[17:40:05] <Woods> "You see in the distance an Enderman, do you look directly at him?" yes
[17:40:04] <crutchy> wholly carp: https://www.youtube.com
[17:39:20] <drussell> Rocky's Boots on an Apple ][ in about grade 3 was my first intro to logic... It all made perfect sense ever since
[17:39:05] <michealpwalls> People have too much free time on their hands? LOL!
[17:38:51] <Blackmoore> "you have died in Lava"
[17:38:46] <crutchy> How to Build a Digital Clock in Minecraft! Part 3 [In Game Time!]
[17:38:40] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
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[17:38:16] <Blackmoore> "there is a chest here" "you have found 3 bones, a name tag, 4 rottenflesh, and a bottle of poison"
[17:38:09] <crutchy> it looks like a strange way of engineering things
[17:37:46] <michealpwalls> For me it's purely educational :)
[17:37:10] <Blackmoore> it is cool that you can. I know that some school is using the Q-craft mod to teach the consepts of quantum mechanics in MC
[17:37:09] <Landon> you don't have to actually invent computers, just make them work :)
[17:37:01] <Landon> at least, thats what I imagine the compulsion is
[17:36:57] <Landon> Blackmoore: because it's a "solved" problem outside of minecraft, you just have to translate it for the constraints
[17:36:31] <drussell> Rocky's boots
[17:36:31] <Woods> "You swing your pickaxe at the stone and chip away a chunk, which you collect, then take a step forward" repeat ad infinitum.
[17:36:30] <mattie_p> so ... sometime today we are going to get comment number 32768, or 2 ^ 15
[17:36:29] <michealpwalls> It's got a lot of potential for teaching the concepts, Blackmoore.
[17:36:16] <michealpwalls> Same concept, just very low level. But from that foundation you can get a very strong grasp of how computers actually work
[17:36:15] <Blackmoore> i really dont get the compulsion to make logic gates/adders in minecraft.
[17:36:02] <michealpwalls> Just like when we build half-adders by connecting logic gates in a series and then connect the half-adders in series to create full adders (addition with carrying)
[17:35:33] <michealpwalls> That's exactly what a CPU is, though... Essentially. Transisters are made up of many logic gates and essentially CPUs are very large collections of transisters.
[17:34:55] <Blackmoore> "it is dark. you are likely to be blownup by a creeper"
[17:34:45] <michealpwalls> Logic Gates, demonstrated in Minecraft :D
[17:34:38] <crutchy> build a cpu from scratch using those switch thingys as gates maybe?
[17:34:04] <michealpwalls> https://www.youtube.com
[17:34:00] <Blackmoore> *contemplating running skyblock on my server*
[17:33:52] <mattie_p> umm, how would one go about constructing one, Woods? Using minecraft to build a turing complete virtual machine?
[17:33:25] <Blackmoore> it is. I started skyblock on monday, and my wife was about to kill me. i got so sucked in
[17:33:00] <Woods> I would play that.
[17:32:58] <Woods> Sorry, did someone say something about a Minecraft MUD?
[17:32:55] <michealpwalls> LOL that's a good thing, crutchy!
[17:32:54] <crutchy> my wife would kill me
[17:32:51] <michealpwalls> I don't think the Minecraft rabbit hole has a bottom? :/
[17:32:49] <crutchy> i haven't touched minecraft
[17:32:29] <michealpwalls> I don't want it! :)
[17:32:21] * SedBot offers michilpwills a /
[17:32:21] <michealpwalls> s/visual/visually
[17:32:19] <Blackmoore> I actually run a private one. modded of course
[17:32:14] <crutchy> though if he gets one we may never hear from him again... i'm sure the minecraft rabbit hole is deep
[17:32:05] <michealpwalls> They've really considered the idea of using Minecraft to visual teach complex concepts to new programming students
[17:32:04] <mattie_p> he was fine with the MUD, after all, so long as he didn't have to do it
[17:31:47] <mattie_p> but there are other priorities at the moment
[17:31:40] <michealpwalls> Minecraft is awesome :)
[17:31:37] <mattie_p> I believe he is semi-serious
[17:31:36] <crutchy> he is a tinkerer
[17:31:24] <Blackmoore> is NC serious about the minecraft server?
[17:30:54] <crutchy> :-P
[17:30:51] <crutchy> it's morning here too
[17:30:44] <crutchy> g'day Blackmoore :-)
[17:30:38] <michealpwalls> Good morning Blackmoore! :)
[17:30:35] <Blackmoore> (it's nearly noon here)
[17:30:26] <Blackmoore> :P
[17:30:09] <Blackmoore> mornin!
[17:29:32] <michealpwalls> regular expressions (flex)
[17:29:28] <michealpwalls> Indeed!
[17:29:23] <crutchy> useful skill ;-)
[17:28:58] <michealpwalls> Yea
[17:28:17] <crutchy> what's extract/transform/load? is that trying to get data from one program into a format that can be read by another?
[17:27:16] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:26:24] * crutchy tries to ignore clock
[17:26:16] <michealpwalls> Yea
[17:26:09] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[17:25:51] <michealpwalls> Going to sleep all over that bed! :)
[17:25:47] <michealpwalls> Yes, finally! Long weekend wooOO! :)
[17:25:35] <michealpwalls> I do it to myself LOL. I made a script to do ETL (Extract, Transform, Load) 'cause I had a feeling people would give me data in random formats at the last minute (and they did!) but spent way too much time on the script
[17:25:03] <crutchy> got a long weekend?
[17:24:34] <crutchy> not working atm :-P
[17:24:33] <michealpwalls> Ohh, 11:24am here ;)
[17:24:25] <crutchy> it's nearly 1.30am here
[17:24:18] <michealpwalls> Yea, late nights plus I'm sick so it makes me feel so much mor etired than I really am
[17:24:11] <crutchy> yeah
[17:24:03] <michealpwalls> LOL can't wait for home time today hehe
[17:24:00] <crutchy> work?
[17:23:57] <crutchy> oh
[17:23:52] <michealpwalls> Exhausted :(
[17:23:39] <crutchy> not bad thanks. you?
[17:23:22] <michealpwalls> How are things, Crutchy?
[17:22:20] <michealpwalls> Hi Crutchy! :)
[17:22:17] <michealpwalls> I was thinking, I could make a little Arduino that listens for those terms and automatically plays back their response LMAO
[17:21:59] <michealpwalls> That soylent story about the "I hate my job" stegonographer made me chuckle. It reminded me of some of the 'support officers' in my office... They answer the same question over and over and over all day every day.
[17:21:49] <crutchy> hi michealpwalls :-)
[17:20:32] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody! :)
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[17:16:41] <Blackmoore> :)
[17:04:43] <bacon> visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info
[17:04:43] <bacon> by crutchy: https://github.com
[17:04:43] <bacon> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[17:04:42] <crutchy> ~
[17:04:02] <Bytram> mumu
[17:03:58] <Bytram> mmu
[17:03:41] <Blackmoore> well the other bot wont spit out quotes for me, but this one will moo on command
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[17:02:06] <bacon> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[17:02:06] <bacon> ~~ ~~
[17:02:06] <bacon> * /\---/\
[17:02:06] <bacon> / | ||
[17:02:06] <bacon> /------\/
[17:02:06] <bacon> (oo)
[17:02:05] <bacon> (__)
[17:02:05] <dentonj> moo
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[16:51:44] <bacon> || ||
[16:51:43] <bacon> ||----w |
[16:51:43] <bacon> (__)\ )\/\
[16:51:42] <bacon> \ (oo)\_______
[16:51:42] <bacon> \ ^__^
[16:51:42] <bacon> -------------------------------------
[16:51:42] <bacon> \ supercomputers. -- Steven Feiner /
[16:51:42] <bacon> | when FORTRAN is the language of |
[16:51:42] <bacon> / You can tell how far we have to go, \
[16:51:41] <bacon> _____________________________________
[16:51:41] <Blackmoore> cowsay-fortune
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[16:50:29] <Blackmoore> it is a cow, not a steer
[16:49:42] <TK> I assume
[16:49:37] <TK> Nice udders
[16:49:22] <bacon> || ||
[16:49:22] <bacon> ||----w |
[16:49:22] <bacon> (__)\ )\/\
[16:49:22] <bacon> \ (oo)\_______
[16:49:22] <bacon> \ ^__^
[16:49:22] <bacon> -------
[16:49:22] <bacon> < bacon >
[16:49:21] <bacon> _______
[16:49:21] <TK> cowsay bacon++
[16:49:20] <Blackmoore> who's bot is this?
[16:48:58] <bacon> || ||
[16:48:57] <bacon> ||----w |
[16:48:57] <bacon> (__)\ )\/\
[16:48:57] <bacon> \ (oo)\_______
[16:48:57] <bacon> \ ^__^
[16:48:57] <bacon> ----------------
[16:48:57] <bacon> < eat more bacon >
[16:48:56] <bacon> ________________
[16:48:56] <Blackmoore> cowsay eat more bacon
[16:48:10] <TK> Now make the cow dance
[16:47:54] <deadbeef> karma - bacon: 222
[16:47:54] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[16:47:47] <bacon> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[16:47:46] <bacon> ~~ ~~
[16:47:46] <bacon> * /\---/\
[16:47:46] <bacon> / | ||
[16:47:46] <bacon> /------\/
[16:47:46] <bacon> (oo)
[16:47:46] <bacon> (__)
[16:47:46] <Blackmoore> moo
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[16:44:45] <Blackmoore> ooh- i got to read both :P
[16:42:34] <Landon> that's why I was confused
[16:42:28] <Landon> the department changed too
[16:42:25] <Landon> not just title
[16:42:21] <mechanicjay> Perhaps a title edit?
[16:42:17] <Landon> ohhh
[16:42:12] <Blackmoore> link didnt change.
[16:42:03] <Landon> was that a ... dupe?
[16:41:57] <crutchy> ooh click bait... *clicks*
[16:41:23] <Blackmoore> um that was fast
[16:40:34] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Chernobyl Cover Completion Compromised by Crisis - http://sylnt.us - one-step-forward-two-steps-back
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[16:20:19] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - First Half of New Chernobyl Cover on the Move - http://sylnt.us - Ukraine-news-that-doesn't-suck
[16:14:02] <Landon> linode <3 https://blog.linode.com
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[16:03:44] <xlefay> auch
[16:03:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> the wifi in this hotel sucks ass. :(
[16:03:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I'm across the country from where I normally work visiting corporate HQ
[16:02:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have VPN access already
[15:59:48] <xlefay> or convince your boss to set up a VPN and just dial in :P
[15:59:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> well, I suppose I should get my ass out of bed and get ready to go to the office.
[15:59:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> I like the phenny bot that does it in-channel better
[15:58:34] <xlefay> meh, memoserv ftw
[15:58:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> ah
[15:58:09] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[15:58:09] <xlefay> $tell AndyTheAbsurd "this is only a test"
[15:58:05] <xlefay> aqu4, tell AndyTheAbsurd "this is only a test"
[15:57:58] <xlefay> deadbeef, doesn't do that
[15:57:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> hrm, I guess that's not the command. :(
[15:57:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> deadbeef: tell AndyTheAbsurd "this is only a test"
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[15:49:00] <Blackmoore|ZZZ> mornin
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[15:30:42] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - I Hate My Job, I Hate My Job, I Hate My Job - http://sylnt.us - Tell-us-how-you-really-feel
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[14:50:24] <xlefay> EAAS, was about time!
[14:50:11] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Espresso as a Service - http://sylnt.us - How-about-pet-food?
[14:48:55] <crutchy> good evening soylent
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[13:25:03] <dentonj> *yawn*
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[13:16:04] <SirFinkus> heartbleed email #2 from gearbox about my borderlands account
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[12:30:26] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Study Concludes USA is an Oligarchy - http://sylnt.us - Also:-Sky-is-Blue
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[12:16:54] <chromas> lol
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[12:13:08] <SoyCow0424> i'm up outty
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[12:09:03] <SoyCow0424> oh so it's not kale
[12:08:19] <SirFinkus> just soybeans and lentils, nothing to see here
[12:07:57] <SoyCow0424> what is soylent green?
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[11:57:53] <SirFinkus> someone trolling the putin q and a
[11:57:46] <SirFinkus> lol alaska = ice crimea
[11:36:30] * arti disappears into the rafters
[11:36:25] * arti shall return after sleep
[11:33:45] <arti> sounds like a good time to own property there
[11:30:41] <SirFinkus> if there was a referendum
[11:30:24] <SirFinkus> it sounded like it was on the table
[11:30:17] <SirFinkus> hmm, q and a with putin and someone asked if he'd invade eastern ukraine
[11:09:18] <SirFinkus> it isn't the kind of thing a mirror would help anyway, it's a "lizard brain" thing
[11:09:17] <chromas> I wish you'd told me that before I started spraying my display...
[11:08:58] <SirFinkus> well, mine was a joke
[11:08:39] <arti> http://www.thinkgeek.com
[11:08:09] <SirFinkus> this?
[11:07:55] <SirFinkus> https://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[11:05:43] <arti> get one of those monitor mirrors
[11:05:24] <SirFinkus> it's kind of bad for me, I'm usually set up facing the door and I still worry about people sneaking up behind me
[11:04:03] <arti> well just set a cron job to poll for external cues
[11:02:07] <SirFinkus> I like headphones, but I always feel paranoid wearing them
[11:02:02] <arti> but it goes away once i'm engrossed, depends on the material
[11:01:50] <arti> i usually use headphones to isolate
[11:01:41] * arti can be easily distracted when reading
[11:01:22] <SirFinkus> I even have trouble reading and stuff
[11:01:07] <SirFinkus> music really isn't something I can have on in the background, I always want to pay attention
[10:58:24] <arti> so i can watch your blood pressure spike from afar
[10:58:06] <SirFinkus> to what end?
[10:57:42] <arti> sound of rain, thunder, humms etc.
[10:57:34] <arti> you should rock some white noise mp3s
[10:57:22] <SirFinkus> maybe really ambient stuff
[10:57:04] <arti> even ambient stuff?
[10:56:54] <SirFinkus> can't even listen to music or anything while doing it
[10:56:42] <SirFinkus> ehh, I'm retarded, programming requires 100% of my concentration
[10:56:15] <arti> and a little food, you'll be fine
[10:56:06] <arti> follow it up with some water
[10:56:01] <arti> sounds like a party
[10:55:58] <SirFinkus> I was kind of hoping to do some programming tonight
[10:55:54] <arti> get some nuts
[10:55:11] <SirFinkus> I just had a big stout
[10:55:04] <SirFinkus> I just wish I had known before I opened it
[10:54:50] * arti is enjoying newcastle
[10:54:35] <SirFinkus> I actually really like this
[10:54:08] <arti> next step is wine
[10:54:03] <arti> nice
[10:51:39] <SirFinkus> lol just grabbed another beer expecting it to be some wimpy 5% abv belgian wheat beer, but it's an ipa with 8.5%
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[10:04:51] * arti fetches one
[10:04:46] <arti> hmm... beer.
[10:04:14] <arti> ITS JUST PROTEIN WHY ARE YOU FREAKING OUT
[10:03:58] <SirFinkus> jesus christ arti, they're MINERALS
[10:03:42] <SirFinkus> I promise
[10:03:40] <SirFinkus> naw it's cool
[10:03:19] <arti> "yeah i ship people rocks"
[10:03:09] <arti> sending beer is expensive
[10:02:48] <arti> ugh, inner fatty might limitbreak
[10:02:42] <SirFinkus> I'll make you a deal arti, send me lots of beer and I'll drink it
[10:02:34] <arti> yeah, also, they have the double stuffed ones
[10:02:24] <SirFinkus> fake oreos are nothing like the real thing
[10:02:21] <xlefay> all your bacons will belong to me? Yes?
[10:01:53] <arti> got some sweet local beers as well :>
[10:01:49] <bacon> Computer scientists are programmed to do it by macro insertion.
[10:01:49] <xlefay> rofl that first joke
[10:01:32] <arti> malzbier ftw
[10:01:28] * arti did this with a german friend
[10:01:10] <arti> we should do a junk food exchange
[10:01:07] <crutchy> sure sure where the joke about the cream filled bikkies
[10:00:57] * xlefay notes I've only had similar cookies but no real oreos
[10:00:49] <SirFinkus> that shit's in our DNA
[10:00:47] <crutchy> http://unijokes.com
[10:00:40] <SirFinkus> but seriously, I don't think I've ever met someone who doesn't like oreos
[10:00:16] <SirFinkus> nope
[10:00:02] <crutchy> u never heard little johnny jokes?
[09:59:49] <SirFinkus> idk what crutchy is on about
[09:59:40] <SirFinkus> oreos are delicious
[09:59:39] <crutchy> little johnny is growd up
[09:59:36] <xlefay> you can twist them and.. uh oh
[09:59:06] <crutchy> eeeew
[09:59:00] <crutchy> lol
[09:58:51] <xlefay> aah, like oreos ;-)
[09:58:46] * SirFinkus resists making the joke
[09:58:16] <arti> i assume its cream filled
[09:57:55] * arti hopes that's some kind of baked treat
[09:57:16] <bacon> A man needs a mistress, just to break the monogamy.
[09:57:15] <xlefay> rofl
[09:56:58] <crutchy> and spam with weird bots :-P
[09:56:38] <crutchy> i mainly troll here
[09:56:35] <SedBot> <xlefay> just go to the main page, see the news and ctrl+w off
[09:56:35] <xlefay> s/along/off/
[09:56:28] <xlefay> just go to the main page, see the news and ctrl+w along
[09:56:21] <xlefay> I hardly ever click a link on SN.org anymore tbh
[09:55:57] <SirFinkus> well, that works too
[09:55:49] <crutchy> maybe it fell down
[09:55:48] <xlefay> I'm sure this has to do with the SSL being terminated on the load balancer instead of main site directly.
[09:55:44] <crutchy> might have something to do with load balancer
[09:55:36] <SirFinkus> and I think some of the links go to the www
[09:55:33] <xlefay> SirFinkus, ehm, I never use www. I only use soylentnews.org and _only_ via SSL
[09:55:28] <crutchy> i'm in http://soylentnews.org
[09:55:17] <arti> aaah, subtle
[09:55:13] <xlefay> ' xlefay replied to all his spam. This terrible calamity has slowed him 0 days, 12:30:48 from level 50.' Yes, yes I do cause who doesn't want porn subscriptions that come with free viagra?
[09:55:03] <SirFinkus> xlefay: I think it has to do with www.soylentnews.org vs soylentnews.org
[09:54:59] <crutchy> ~join ##
[09:54:35] <crutchy> random is fun
[09:54:15] <crutchy> i think i saw it thismorning or last night but looked a little bit less formated
[09:54:06] * xlefay has a hard time keeping track of all these random developments
[09:53:43] <xlefay> Isn't that one new?
[09:53:28] <crutchy> ooh the site news slashbox has been prittied up a bit
[09:52:56] <crutchy> hmm i'm still logged in
[09:52:43] <arti> "i'm late, i'm late, i'm late!"
[09:52:32] <crutchy> someone shot the white rabbit
[09:52:20] * crutchy checks
[09:52:17] <arti> maybe he's in the matrix, so he just goes into a coma
[09:52:15] <crutchy> oh
[09:52:10] <xlefay> SN.org
[09:52:04] <crutchy> or some porn site?
[09:51:57] <crutchy> or github?
[09:51:53] <crutchy> of irc?
[09:51:47] <xlefay> annoying*
[09:51:45] <xlefay> I keep getting signed out it's annoyin
[09:51:25] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Face Recognition CAPTCHA - http://sylnt.us - time-to-face-up-to-it
[09:51:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[09:51:17] <SirFinkus> the instant I say that it works again
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[09:51:15] <bacon> ||----w |
[09:51:15] <bacon> (__)\ )\/\
[09:51:15] <bacon> \ (oo)\_______
[09:51:15] <bacon> \ ^__^
[09:51:15] <bacon> ----------------------------------------
[09:51:15] <bacon> \ the easier it is to stop up the drain. /
[09:51:15] <bacon> / The more they over-think the plumbing \
[09:51:14] <bacon> ________________________________________
[09:51:14] <xlefay> cowsay-fortune
[09:51:05] <SirFinkus> page just keeps loading
[09:51:01] <SirFinkus> can't get the "reply" function to work :/
[09:50:51] <xlefay> cow-fortune
[09:49:55] <xlefay> :o
[09:49:54] <xlefay> I just woke up.. holy shit it's 9:49 and I _woke_ up
[09:49:40] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:49:40] <chromas> SedBot doesn't like me
[09:49:28] <chromas> crutchy: s/ker/kl/
[09:49:26] <crutchy> he lives!
[09:49:03] <xlefay> hehe ;D
[09:47:24] <crutchy> someone might be tinkering :-P
[09:46:59] <SirFinkus> is the site still having problems?
[09:34:20] <crutchy> for xlefay :-P
[09:34:13] <crutchy> ^still works
[09:34:06] <bacon> -- The Undergraduate
[09:34:06] <bacon> I don't love you, asshole, I love your daughter.
[09:34:05] <crutchy> rofl
[09:34:01] <chromas> aw
[09:33:53] <crutchy> :-)
[09:33:50] <crutchy> lol
[09:33:47] <bacon> successfully reloaded exec
[09:33:47] <crutchy> ~reload
[09:33:26] <crutchy> think i might disable the lol aliases
[09:33:12] <crutchy> thanks matey :-)
[09:33:05] <bacon> -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
[09:33:05] <bacon> with my breakfast cereal.
[09:33:05] <bacon> Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you free
[09:33:04] <crutchy> lol i used your function chromas
[09:32:53] <arti> # appears as tiki
[09:32:40] <bacon> bacon up: 0d 0:24:14
[09:32:39] <crutchy> ~up
[09:32:37] * arti has flashbacks to mschat
[09:32:26] <arti> say*
[09:32:22] <arti> cow saw lol
[09:32:09] <bacon> bacon up: 0d 0:23:43 seconds
[09:32:09] <bacon> || ||
[09:32:08] <crutchy> ~up
[09:32:08] <bacon> ||----w |
[09:32:08] <bacon> (__)\ )\/\
[09:32:08] <bacon> \ (oo)\_______
[09:32:08] <bacon> \ ^__^
[09:32:08] <bacon> ------------------------------
[09:32:08] <bacon> < cat .pr0nzreverse cow cowsay >
[09:32:08] <bacon> ______________________________
[09:32:07] <chromas> cowsay ";cat ~/.pr0nz/reverse\ cow/* |cowsay\
[09:29:56] <arti> hahaha
[09:29:46] <crutchy> i won't be reversing cows with my bot here lol
[09:29:30] <chromas> s/*/Bad SedBot/
[09:29:23] <crutchy> reverse cow is prolly something more suited to the bacon channel :-P
[09:28:50] <chromas> /s/aw/ay/
[09:28:49] <crutchy> sounds kinky
[09:28:47] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:28:47] <chromas> SedBot:
[09:28:36] <crutchy> well, on my pyewta anyways
[09:28:36] <chromas> /s/aw/ay/
[09:28:35] <arti> need reverse cow
[09:28:27] <chromas> faces opposite cowsaw cow
[09:28:26] <crutchy> cow above is apt-get moo
[09:28:18] <crutchy> ah
[09:28:10] <chromas> oh apt-get moo
[09:27:12] <crutchy> apt-get cow doesn't work for me :-(
[09:26:31] * chromas doesn't have apt
[09:26:28] * chromas just noticed the apt-get cow faces the other way
[09:25:47] <crutchy> even here
[09:25:42] <crutchy> prolly won't but yeah that would be a good idea
[09:25:24] <arti> so you don't flood off
[09:25:19] <arti> if you ever plan on using the bot on other networks i'd consider a limiter for the line output
[09:25:14] <crutchy> pissed off even
[09:25:03] <crutchy> that cow looked very terse
[09:24:54] <arti> i eat lots of fiber, yes.
[09:24:46] <bacon> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[09:24:45] <bacon> ~~ ~~
[09:24:45] <bacon> * /\---/\
[09:24:45] <bacon> / | ||
[09:24:45] <bacon> /------\/
[09:24:45] <bacon> (oo)
[09:24:45] <bacon> (__)
[09:24:45] <crutchy> moo
[09:24:41] <arti> .!..
[09:24:33] * arti enjoys terse pictograms
[09:23:59] <crutchy> moved it off the bot though
[09:23:38] <crutchy> i must have retard mode enabled again today
[09:23:28] <crutchy> still can't get that stupid uptime thing to work chromas
[09:22:05] <crutchy> i mean words
[09:22:02] <crutchy> nice pictorial arti... a picture say a thousand pixels
[09:21:37] <crutchy> now i get it :-P
[09:21:32] <crutchy> hahaha yeah
[09:21:11] <chromas> It's how you end up when she pushes you half-way off the bed
[09:21:10] <arti> [/] <-
[09:20:52] <crutchy> something to do with trigonometry?
[09:20:45] <crutchy> what is this "sleeping diagonally"?
[09:20:03] <arti> sleeping diagonally for maximum space for exampl
[09:20:01] <SirFinkus> even better, sleeping in other people's beds
[09:19:38] * arti enjoys this
[09:19:26] <arti> like being able to sleep and use the whole bed
[09:19:06] <arti> hahaha
[09:18:09] <crutchy> doing things that are strange to me... being married
[09:17:29] <arti> its just a bunch of naughty bits
[09:17:16] <crutchy> you not trying to rm my pr0n are you?!
[09:16:48] <bacon> visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info
[09:16:48] <bacon> by crutchy: https://github.com
[09:16:47] <bacon> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[09:16:47] <arti> certainly you mean faxes-sent
[09:16:47] <crutchy> ~
[09:16:43] <crutchy> might help if you have a squiz @ source
[09:16:31] <SirFinkus> you're screwed now
[09:16:28] <SirFinkus> rm -rf porn/
[09:15:53] <crutchy> nah
[09:15:47] <arti> hope its jailed
[09:15:45] <SirFinkus> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda
[09:15:19] <arti> rm -f /
[09:15:16] <SirFinkus> !rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*
[09:15:11] <crutchy> go nuts
[09:15:07] <crutchy> :-P
[09:15:04] <crutchy> calling for penetration testers!
[09:14:49] <crutchy> could be
[09:14:40] <SirFinkus> that sounds... dangerous
[09:14:31] <crutchy> so you don't actually type the command in irc, just the alias, and any arguments
[09:14:25] <arti> ah, that's one way to do it.
[09:14:06] <crutchy> can pretty much execute any cli command with an alias
[09:13:54] <arti> i've been extremely lazy about bringing my bot here
[09:13:25] <crutchy> we all love that word
[09:13:17] <crutchy> haha
[09:13:15] <crutchy> dice?
[09:13:11] <crutchy> is there a program for that?
[09:13:05] <crutchy> i'll push the latest
[09:12:57] <arti> how long until you add scripting support for *rolls dice* LUA?
[09:12:45] <arti> cool, progressing nicely
[09:12:08] <crutchy> haha
[09:12:03] <arti> or maybe "fsssst" "sizzle"
[09:12:00] <crutchy> filtered nick and chan now too so i'm reasonably happy with security
[09:11:49] <arti> you should have it say done at prime intervals
[09:11:38] <arti> spiffy
[09:11:13] <bacon> bacon up: 168 seconds
[09:11:13] <crutchy> ~up
[09:11:04] <crutchy> bot records start time, and script that's executed on demand calculates delta
[09:10:09] <arti> do you have the script actually counting or does it compare time from init?
[09:09:47] <bacon> -- Goethe
[09:09:47] <bacon> that makes life blessed.
[09:09:47] <bacon> It is not doing the thing we like to do, but liking the thing we have to do,
[09:09:46] <crutchy> lol
[09:09:42] <arti> "bits"
[09:09:40] <crutchy> just shows seconds atm, but i can change the script on the fly now
[09:09:37] <arti> or slices?
[09:09:34] <arti> is it measured in strips?
[09:09:16] <bacon> bacon up: 50.591672897339
[09:09:15] <crutchy> ~up
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[09:08:40] <crutchy> oops. rogue return after join
[09:08:04] <arti> to show how long the bot's running?
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[09:07:42] <crutchy> at least then i don't have to keep dc/reconnect
[09:07:30] <crutchy> decided to put it into a separate script and just pass the start time via a template
[09:07:19] <arti> return system uptime?
[09:07:11] <arti> oh for the bot
[09:07:04] <arti> time thingy?
[09:07:02] <crutchy> my brain isn't working
[09:07:00] <arti> oh nice
[09:06:57] <crutchy> now back trying to get this up time thingy working
[09:06:38] <crutchy> spent bit of time out with the kiddywinks
[09:06:26] <crutchy> good
[09:06:11] <arti> how goes the day off?
[09:05:58] * arti wants to understand a good way to break apart a program
[09:05:38] <arti> they use some strange terms for things though, not everywhere
[09:05:05] <arti> man, haskell has some sweet functions
[09:04:59] <arti> g'oop
[09:04:25] <crutchy> g'oop
[09:02:46] <arti> :D
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[08:12:10] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Hidden Vulnerability Discovered in Air Network - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-get-there-from-here
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[07:54:15] <arti> ncommander, let it flow through you
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[07:31:22] <NCommander> Ugh, I have a serious love hate relation with Minecraft
[07:31:13] * NCommander fiddles with Forge
[07:22:46] <crutchy> cya paulej72
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[07:13:38] <paulej72> cya tomorrwo
[07:13:20] <arti> sweet dreams
[07:13:04] <arti> another fun thought is how the bodies are discovered, not until they smell :D
[07:12:51] * arti is terrified of getting those at a hotel
[07:12:48] <NCommander> night paulej72
[07:12:41] <arti> don't let the bed bugs bite :D
[07:12:19] * arti salutes
[07:12:14] <paulej72> bed time for me. Good night all
[07:11:28] <arti> how's everyone doing btw?
[07:10:48] <arti> java's cool, i kid
[07:10:37] * arti snickers
[07:10:32] <arti> 32gb, just enough for java :D
[07:10:24] <NCommander> Not yet
[07:10:21] <NCommander> (I miss that machine, 32 GIB of RAM == awesome MC server)
[07:10:21] <arti> ah okay, speaking of which did you see that movie?
[07:10:12] <NCommander> which was called Perdition
[07:10:10] <NCommander> Well, the name came from the box it ran on
[07:10:00] * arti imagines donner party shit
[07:09:36] <NCommander> I ran an old server called perdition's path
[07:09:35] <arti> i agree, i'm leery about what to use, for fear of upgrade issues
[07:09:22] * arti just uses bukkit
[07:09:22] <NCommander> Honestly, my biggest issue with mods is dealing with forge is a PITA
[07:09:13] <NCommander> autosaving/tp can be done with pure bukkit
[07:09:01] <arti> auto saving, some teleports, maybe some geometry stuff.
[07:08:50] <NCommander> But I'd like Railcraft and possibly traincraft
[07:08:48] <arti> i only like a few things
[07:08:42] <NCommander> arti, I don't like huge amounts of mods, I find tekkit for instance makes things too complex
[07:08:25] <arti> i also think your minecraft idea is worthy
[07:07:55] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:07:42] * arti will find a video
[07:07:34] <arti> go scope this out ncommander
[07:07:32] <NCommander> not sure if I'll run mods though
[07:07:30] * NCommander might seriously setup a MC server
[07:07:28] <arti> http://www.no-mans-sky.com
[07:07:21] <NCommander> Need to get my mind off things
[07:07:18] <arti> no man's sky
[07:07:16] * NCommander installs traincraft
[07:06:23] <arti> oh, there's a game you guys gotta check out, if you haven't already
[07:06:01] <arti> the pattern matching is pretty cool
[07:05:48] * arti is still chugging along with haskell
[07:05:17] <arti> just like people programming in asm
[07:05:12] <arti> i think this is referred to as motivation
[07:04:27] <paulej72> crutchy: when I was a kid ther was no quick release for the seat adjustment, so a lot harder to think this up as it took tools to do.
[07:03:41] <arti> "more hotdogs mr. bike?"
[07:03:36] <arti> hahaha
[07:03:07] <crutchy> just seems like a logical thing to do
[07:02:56] <crutchy> dunno why i never thought to stick a hotdog in my bike frame as a kid
[07:02:25] <arti> :)
[07:02:15] <paulej72> lol arti
[07:02:11] <crutchy> its all gone
[07:02:06] <crutchy> love that one... and.... its gone
[07:01:49] <arti> yeah, classic dude
[07:01:45] <crutchy> lol south bank manager :-P
[07:01:31] <arti> aaaaaand it's gone
[07:01:19] <arti> nah, it's fucking gone man
[07:01:11] <crutchy> and see when it falls out the other side
[07:01:02] <arti> http://imgur.com
[07:00:49] <arti> "let's put something in there"
[07:00:36] <arti> that's my general philosophy
[07:00:22] <crutchy> just squish it through the tubes to me arti :-P
[07:00:06] * arti offers pasta to those who want it
[06:59:48] <arti> dat compression?
[06:59:41] <crutchy> jquery to be precise
[06:59:30] <crutchy> js
[06:59:24] <arti> text/html, text/js, images ?
[06:59:15] <arti> nice, what is the majority of the traffic?
[06:58:54] <NCommander> arti, our site load size is 2/3rds smaller
[06:58:47] <NCommander> arti, to give you an idea of how much purging
[06:55:41] * crutchy salutes :-)
[06:55:28] <arti> also, belated g'day
[06:54:02] <arti> as long as there's a rule in the fw, you're good
[06:53:25] <crutchy> and don't use the wrong port
[06:53:12] <arti> make sure you're following protocol
[06:53:09] <crutchy> yes
[06:53:04] <arti> this is why protection is extremely important
[06:52:34] <crutchy> it might get infected with the female program then
[06:52:30] <chromas> I do tend to prefer the back door
[06:52:23] <crutchy> lol
[06:52:08] <arti> just expose it to some female users
[06:52:04] <crutchy> (chromas is a good penetration tester :-)
[06:51:39] <crutchy> still working on hardening a bit
[06:51:15] <crutchy> in #test
[06:51:11] <crutchy> arti: got bacon working to execute arbitrary scripts
[06:50:00] <crutchy> or a teaspoon of ice
[06:49:32] * arti imagines an iced tea spoon is involved
[06:49:21] <paulej72> JS is mostly purged for non admin users on dev.
[06:48:44] <paulej72> arti: not going to minify the css until we do a full site redesign. silly to waste the time on a few bytes.
[06:48:31] * crutchy got bored with slash very quickly
[06:48:04] <crutchy> into a million different directories :-P
[06:47:49] <arti> that's the not so fun part depending on how its organized
[06:47:42] <arti> requires going through the templates
[06:47:35] <arti> the JS and CSS should be combined and minified /sure this has been discussed
[06:47:16] <crutchy> g'day arti
[06:46:48] <crutchy> -@.@-
[06:46:32] <crutchy> @.@
[06:45:46] * arti o.o
[06:44:52] <paulej72> the gui one that is
[06:44:37] <paulej72> NCommander: the nexus/topic selector for submissions looks very dependent on jquery
[06:43:14] <NCommander> paulej72, honestly, I suspect we can kill the jquery stuff pretty easily, just requires going through the admin interface with a fine tooth comb
[06:42:46] <crutchy> the other site is "who is this asshat?"
[06:42:11] <crutchy> and slowly but surely progressing to groundbreaking :-)
[06:41:53] <paulej72> crutchy: jquery is killed for non admin users on dev
[06:41:02] <crutchy> and we're not bad... we're awesome!
[06:41:02] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - China's Weather machine - http://sylnt.us - someone-is-to-blame
[06:40:47] <crutchy> lol i'm already sure it sucks :-P
[06:40:20] <NCommander> crutchy, you think we're bad, go look at the other site
[06:36:11] <deadbeef> karma - jquery: -1
[06:36:11] <crutchy> jquery--
[06:35:52] <crutchy> need to kill jquery
[06:33:55] <paulej72> crutchy: on dev with the new themes, 4 css files (5 if admin). I could merge some of them together, but we would still have base, theme, print and admin.
[06:33:51] <crutchy> 13 js files
[06:32:53] <crutchy> fuck
[06:32:49] <crutchy> 4 css files
[06:31:23] <crutchy> start(brain)
[06:31:05] <crutchy> lol sorry 3 css files :-P
[06:30:49] <crutchy> wow every page load downloads 7 css files
[06:30:25] <crutchy> in slashcode.css
[06:30:09] <crutchy> ahh yup css background img
[06:27:43] <crutchy> loaded by js?
[06:27:38] <crutchy> nope
[06:24:30] <crutchy> is the logo inserted with css as a div background image?
[06:22:31] <paulej72> crutchy: it really wants us to have our image files set with a proper cache ttl. I think it gives a higher porption of the score to this issue now that our page load is so much smaller.
[06:22:30] <crutchy> logo_soylentnews.png load time 60ms
[06:20:56] <crutchy> for dev
[06:20:48] <crutchy> still 62% on gtmetrix :-(
[06:17:45] <paulej72> once we apply it.
[06:17:06] <paulej72> cut our bandwidth use by 2/3
[06:16:18] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm *very* happy w/ our work on dev
[06:15:55] <NCommander> Yup
[06:15:26] <paulej72> It should give both
[06:15:05] <NCommander> It doesn't tell you anywhere it uses a different IP internally
[06:14:57] <NCommander> paulej72, it gives the public facing one
[06:12:38] <paulej72> I did not realize Linode gave out the wrong IP address that the LB used.
[06:12:06] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, that was pretty epic fail on my part. I should have *#@! caught that
[06:11:31] <paulej72> two thumbs up NCommander
[06:07:53] <NCommander> paulej72, http://soylentnews.org
[06:05:36] <paulej72> I realized that the problems were because everyone had the same IPID and thus SUID (subnet).
[06:04:13] <paulej72> I noticed at about 14:00 UTC that all users were getting the same IPID, but I was looking at apply a ban on a spammer so I did not relize athat naything else was wrong. When I erturned from lunch at 18:00 UTC users were complining about not being able to post from reskey errors and not being able to mod for unknown resons.
[06:01:08] <NCommander> paulej72, when did we notice that shit went boom?
[06:01:03] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm doing a writeup of our site explosion today in my journal
[05:52:50] <paulej72> pull 157 merged
[05:45:21] * NCommander just committed that one directly since you checked it on dev
[05:45:08] <NCommander> paulej72, I did
[05:45:04] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com
[05:44:39] <paulej72> NCommander: did you add the site_news to master, if not we can include it with this pull
[05:36:50] <NCommander> paulej72, let me do that now
[05:36:39] <paulej72> NCommander: are you going to set all three templates to the same js. And can you make sure to combine the two admin if statements into one.
[05:36:29] <NCommander> paulej72, i.e., comments 1554.52s +334%
[05:35:50] <NCommander> paulej72, w.r.t. page load statstics, honestly, I don't think those numbers are very useful
[05:35:18] <NCommander> paulej72, let me get this branch setup and a pull request done
[05:31:03] <NCommander> paulej72, possibly
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[05:24:57] <crutchy> probably improved the result it returns, no?
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[05:23:00] <paulej72> NCommander: did anything we removed from the js files affect the built in slash page load stats funciton?
[05:22:01] <crutchy> lol start(brain)
[05:21:41] <crutchy> Cyprus: s/bandwidth/sausage/
[05:21:16] <Cyprus> varnish should be covering most all of the change
[05:21:06] <Cyprus> i doubt the load will change much
[05:20:57] <crutchy> ?
[05:20:48] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Cyprus> so the funny thing is, you probably just cut your load in half
[05:20:48] <crutchy> Cyprus: s/bandwidth/load/
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[05:17:11] <Cyprus> so the funny thing is, you probably just cut your bandwidth in half
[05:16:41] <crutchy> bash: brain: command not found
[05:16:41] <crutchy> $ brain
[05:16:01] <NCommander> That requires putting our brain to work and figuring out the best way to do it
[05:15:51] <NCommander> crutchy, we need to get expires headers on there
[05:15:45] <NCommander> crutchy, don't think so?
[05:15:34] <crutchy> i thought it was 65% before, now it's gone down to 62%
[05:15:17] <crutchy> is it just me or has dev.soylentnews.org dropped in score on gtmetrix?
[05:14:17] <paulej72> NCommander: waht about setting the caching info for the images? Not sure how to do that.
[05:12:56] <NCommander> k :-)
[05:12:44] <paulej72> NCommander: google does it
[05:12:30] * NCommander notes going from 152->44 kib for ~1 hours worth of work == WIN
[05:12:19] <NCommander> paulej72, whats browser compatibility with that like?
[05:12:07] <paulej72> NCommander: I can sprite the topic images as one file and that should help a lot. I can look at what else we can sprite as well.
[05:11:54] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Screen Time and Young Children - http://sylnt.us - do-you-know-that-the-TV-has-an-off-switch
[05:10:09] <NCommander> We've gone down 2/3rd page load size
[05:09:48] <NCommander> A rank on image optimization
[05:09:43] <NCommander> \o/
[05:09:40] <NCommander> Total number of requests: 17
[05:09:40] <NCommander> Total page size: 44.5KB
[05:09:40] <NCommander> paulej72, Page load time: 0.79s
[05:08:07] <paulej72> ok
[05:07:49] <NCommander> lets see what the improvement is after a redeploy
[05:07:43] <NCommander> paulej72, ok, crunched the images through tinypng
[04:58:51] <NCommander> hrm
[04:58:50] <NCommander> paulej72, appears smushit or tinypng is better for this
[04:57:53] <NCommander> paulej72, not getting very small images
[04:56:26] <paulej72> what is the issue?
[04:55:45] <SedBot> <crutchy> <NCommander> paulej72, appears png sucks :-)
[04:55:45] <crutchy> NCommander: s/opti//
[04:55:10] <NCommander> paulej72, appears optipng sucks :-)
[04:55:03] <crutchy> lol
[04:55:00] <NCommander> paulej72, hrm
[04:54:55] <crutchy> or scotland apparently
[04:54:32] <crutchy> only if you're in new zealand
[04:54:15] * SpallsHurgenson backs away slowly "Count me out; that's how it starts but before you know it there are sheep invoved!"
[04:54:12] <crutchy> might need to polish varnish to make it less sticky
[04:53:18] <crutchy> everyone grap hold of ncommander to help him pull the stuck images out of varnish
[04:51:16] <paulej72> NCommander: you can purge the images from the varnish cache.
[04:50:04] <NCommander> Might just be for me then
[04:49:46] <paulej72> NCommander: I am having no issues with submissions
[04:48:43] <NCommander> I think the new images are stuck in the varnish cache
[04:48:31] <NCommander> paulej72, no, submission
[04:47:11] <paulej72> NCommander: were you using the New from the admin menu?
[04:45:10] <paulej72> the 5 images for the admin submission interface
[04:44:53] <crutchy> gif should be pretty small already'
[04:44:44] <NCommander> paulej72, hrm, submission might be broken, I get an error to wait before using this resource
[04:44:32] <NCommander> paulej72, files it couldn't get smaller
[04:44:25] <paulej72> what were the errors?
[04:44:23] <crutchy> jetpack?
[04:44:13] * NCommander DEPLOYS
[04:44:09] <NCommander> 5 error(s) have been encountered.
[04:44:09] <NCommander> 128 file(s) have been processed.
[04:44:01] <NCommander> paulej72, I already ran the pngs, going through the gifs now
[04:43:34] <paulej72> NCommander: I did not remove the unneed image files yet from the repo. Better to test the css first.
[04:42:36] * NCommander is reprocessing all the png/gif files
[04:42:28] <NCommander> optipng is running
[04:42:12] <NCommander> Wow, the first good thing someone has said about our CSS :-)
[04:41:53] <paulej72> NCommander: the nice thing about dev, it has the imageless css styles so we save on loading those images
[04:40:23] <NCommander> Lets see how small we can go with small tweaks
[04:40:18] * NCommander is going to run optipng on all the images
[04:39:25] <NCommander> We shaved a 2/5ths of the page load size
[04:39:11] <NCommander> Dumping that much JS really fucking ligthened the load
[04:38:58] <crutchy> dev is now 65% on gtmetrix
[04:38:50] <NCommander> paulej72, it was doing that because ENOCACHECONTROL
[04:38:44] <NCommander> paulej72, yes :-)
[04:38:37] <paulej72> NCommander: do you think it was pulling the js files for each page load?
[04:37:56] <NCommander> Dev feels 100x faster
[04:37:43] <NCommander> Like stupid drastic
[04:37:39] <NCommander> paulej72, its a seriously drastic performance boost
[04:36:21] <NCommander> paulej72, probably not, but I'm not sure which ones we need to make the admin interface go
[04:35:52] <paulej72> NCommander: Do you think we need all of the jwuery addons loaded?
[04:35:14] <NCommander> paulej72, honestly, I'm not seeing any breakage
[04:33:52] <NCommander> yay
[04:33:50] <NCommander> Total number of requests: 19
[04:33:50] <NCommander> Total page size: 80.4KB
[04:33:50] <NCommander> paulej72, Page load time: 2.37s
[04:32:06] <paulej72> OK
[04:31:19] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to flip the sites default theme to soylentnews so we can test it
[04:30:23] <NCommander> paulej72, I see the admin.js just fine
[04:30:05] <Cyprus> mmmm zombie js
[04:29:55] <paulej72> NCommander: you should have put the admin.js load in the upper if statement
[04:28:10] <paulej72> NCommander: admin.js has some firehose subs in it that could be stripped later.
[04:27:37] <paulej72> NCommander: did you load all of the jquery stuff?
[04:26:04] <NCommander> Everything else is gone
[04:25:59] <NCommander> jquery stuff only loads for admins
[04:25:55] <NCommander> Ok, massive JS stripping complete
[04:25:23] <crutchy> or craziness.pl
[04:24:40] <crutchy> like spreadsheet.xls or document.doc
[04:24:17] <Cyprus> because it contains javascript
[04:24:13] <crutchy> lol
[04:24:09] <Cyprus> its more like machine machine
[04:24:09] <crutchy> calling a file the same as its extension
[04:23:57] <crutchy> like atm machine
[04:23:53] <crutchy> it's redundant
[04:23:26] <Cyprus> ncommander: that's technically an accurate name
[04:23:11] <NCommander> Joy
[04:23:10] <NCommander> javascript.js
[04:22:58] <crutchy> is that what you mean by cancer?
[04:22:47] <crutchy> i have a define bot that scrapes www.wolframalpha.com
[04:21:25] <Cyprus> so it was basically an inside joke dictionary
[04:21:22] <crutchy> lol
[04:21:17] * NCommander nukes
[04:21:15] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, this is *all* for D2
[04:21:06] <Cyprus> you misunderstand, the definition bot didn't connect to google or a real dictionary. it was a big hash array of !defines
[04:20:57] <crutchy> i made one to get php function syntax
[04:20:12] <swiss> but all the things that you trigger to try to win, or you use to search... cancer of irc
[04:20:05] <crutchy> :-(
[04:20:00] <crutchy> aaaww i writed bots
[04:19:58] <Cyprus> swiss: that's not the bot's fault, that's a lack of beatings =)
[04:19:52] <swiss> link information
[04:19:42] <NCommander> paulej72, looking at comments.js, this looks like this is *all* for D2
[04:19:36] <swiss> things like karma are okay
[04:19:32] <NCommander> paulej72, fair enough
[04:19:19] <swiss> suddenly the channel can be filled with junk people didn't want to press alt+tab and type into google
[04:19:19] <deadbeef> karma - swiss: 4
[04:19:19] <Cyprus> swiss--
[04:19:00] <swiss> they so are
[04:18:32] <Cyprus> no they aren't
[04:18:20] <swiss> someone had to say it
[04:18:17] <swiss> BOTS ARE THE CANCER OF IRC
[04:17:59] <paulej72> why do firehose as we do not have it
[04:17:24] <NCommander> I'll move the jquery stuff to is_admin, and then tag the rest to load only for firehouse
[04:17:08] <NCommander> paulej72, I know the jquery stuff needed for the admincp, but a lot of this can go away
[04:16:56] * Cyprus really misses definition bot
[04:16:34] <Cyprus> ?? nuddering
[04:16:24] * NCommander installs yslow for firefox and starts nuddering
[04:16:08] <swiss> beta.soylentnews.com
[04:16:00] <NCommander> paulej72, k
[04:15:28] <paulej72> leave the chillax theme alone just kill the js on the soylentnews theme for testing. can swithc themes to get js back.
[04:14:27] <NCommander> paulej72, you mean chillax, right?
[04:13:31] <paulej72> NCommander: I suggest we kill it on dev with the sn theme and see what happens to amin interface.
[04:13:05] <Cyprus> firehose isn't horrible, it's just horribly implemented =)
[04:12:26] <crutchy> js is the devil... just like foozball
[04:12:24] <NCommander> (aka, firecrap)
[04:12:21] <NCommander> paulej72, honestly, looking at the headers, all of this is for the AJAX-ifyed frontend
[04:12:08] <NCommander> pipedot has a smaller page load size but they don't have tons and tons of dead JS
[04:11:57] <NCommander> Hrm
[04:11:06] * NCommander checks pipedot for shits and giggles
[04:09:42] <crutchy> linux admin?
[04:07:50] <Cyprus> maybe i should go back to linux engineer, forgot how much fun some of this could be
[04:06:02] <crutchy> aww a lynx is a kitty cat :-P
[04:05:31] * crutchy googles lynx
[04:05:08] <crutchy> isn't text-only better for lynx?
[04:04:39] <paulej72> got them from |. and noone checked them for size
[04:04:24] * Cyprus throws lynx at crutchy
[04:04:08] <crutchy> text is fine
[04:04:02] <crutchy> or delete them lol
[04:03:55] <crutchy> just gifify them all
[04:03:17] <paulej72> damit the topic icons are all poorly compressed
[04:02:59] <swiss> ipv6 is the future man
[04:02:56] <crutchy> a little bit anyway
[04:02:47] <crutchy> better :-)
[04:01:58] <paulej72> http://gtmetrix.com
[04:01:51] <NCommander> */fuck it*
[04:01:45] * NCommander should just fix IPv6 support
[04:01:41] <NCommander> Ugh
[04:00:09] <crutchy> so it takes traffic into account... makes sense
[04:00:03] <NCommander> Cyprus, we are actually
[03:59:59] <NCommander> paulej72, dev ssl redirect disabled
[03:59:47] <NCommander> Fixed
[03:59:26] <Cyprus> in the internet, no one knows its your home connection =)
[03:58:40] * crutchy wonders how http://gtmetrix.com gives a site run off a home webserver a similar performance score to google.com... seems fishy
[03:57:08] <NCommander> Yeah
[03:57:04] <NCommander> tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:91:3306 2600:3c00::f03c:9:39086 ESTABLISHED
[03:57:04] <NCommander> Cyprus, tcp6 0 0 2600:3c00::f03c:91:3306 2600:3c00::f03c:9:39124 ESTABLISHED
[03:57:04] <Cyprus> heh, you guys graphing / icingaing all that yet? =)
[03:57:01] <NCommander> paulej72, I'll disable the autoredirect, stand by
[03:56:51] <paulej72> NCommander: wanted to test dev, but it does not like the cert
[03:56:44] <NCommander> That's not TOO bad
[03:56:37] <NCommander> 23
[03:56:37] <NCommander> mcasadevall@helium:~$ netstat -an | grep 3306 | wc -l
[03:56:21] <Cyprus> i was like.. please god tell me that's not high water
[03:56:08] * NCommander runs netstat on helium
[03:56:02] <Cyprus> ohhh ok
[03:55:59] <NCommander> Lifetime
[03:55:59] <Cyprus> total or simultaneuos?
[03:55:57] <crutchy> wow!
[03:55:49] <Cyprus> jesus
[03:55:42] <NCommander> Cyprus, mostly. They do expire out after awhile, but when I last rebooted the DB server, its connection count was like 13700
[03:55:26] <NCommander> I think the frontend maintains 10-15 connections at a given time?
[03:55:19] <Cyprus> but they're persistant right?
[03:55:18] <crutchy> mkay
[03:55:15] <NCommander> logs/reader/writer/slashd/etc.
[03:55:10] <Cyprus> sometimes it's justified
[03:55:09] <NCommander> The backend has various roles for different users
[03:55:04] <Cyprus> lots of code does it
[03:55:01] <NCommander> But that's somewhat justified in our case
[03:54:57] <NCommander> We do
[03:54:41] <crutchy> who connects to a db more than once? (unless you're like me... midway through a mysql_* > pdo migration, in which case 2 connections)
[03:54:37] <NCommander> I still think thats kinda absurd though
[03:53:56] <NCommander> Only a page load size of 1.13 MiB, 122 connections
[03:53:45] <NCommander> Beta does slightly better than classic
[03:53:42] <NCommander> Huh
[03:53:28] <Cyprus> i said connections, not queries =)
[03:53:23] <NCommander> But it uses memcache heavily
[03:53:20] <NCommander> LOT of unoptized queries
[03:53:15] <NCommander> Cyprus, slash hits the DB pretty hard
[03:53:08] <NCommander> Comparing to beta
[03:52:38] * crutchy remembers why he bailed on /.
[03:52:38] <Cyprus> you think that's bad, a state lottery site had 200 db connections from the main page due to ads etc when i looked at the code to see why it was nuking it's server
[03:52:04] <NCommander> That's fucking absurd
[03:51:49] <crutchy> all the spamvertising
[03:51:43] <Cyprus> rofl
[03:51:40] <NCommander> wtf
[03:51:33] <NCommander> Total number of requests: 235
[03:51:31] <Cyprus> crutchy: there's lots of sites like that out there for developers to gage
[03:51:29] <crutchy> dammit google.com beat me by 1%
[03:51:28] <NCommander> Total page size: 1.12MB
[03:51:27] <NCommander> slashdot classic:
[03:51:26] <paulej72> NCommander: send to to beta directly
[03:51:14] * NCommander wants to compare classic and beta
[03:51:13] * crutchy likes little tools like that
[03:51:10] <NCommander> When it went to slashdot, it got classic
[03:51:06] <NCommander> rofl
[03:51:01] <crutchy> that's a fun little website you found ncommander :-P
[03:50:35] <paulej72> Cyprus: i know and that is why I want to do sprites
[03:50:29] * crutchy looks at google.com
[03:50:24] <crutchy> lol
[03:50:18] * NCommander looks at slashdot.org
[03:50:15] <Cyprus> 150kb is still quite small
[03:50:02] <crutchy> you know you gots a problem when size(js) exceeds size(content)
[03:49:56] <NCommander> Cyprus, we've got some technical issues that make caching difficult
[03:49:52] <Cyprus> err sprite
[03:49:43] <Cyprus> their point on the images is to reduce the request count
[03:49:41] <paulej72> plus the savings on css files is small because the browser will cache them once loaded
[03:49:34] <NCommander> We'd be dialup friendly
[03:49:32] <crutchy> eechk
[03:49:28] <NCommander> If we could nuke that
[03:49:24] <NCommander> 121/150 kib is our total page load due to javascript
[03:49:22] <crutchy> not really worried
[03:49:16] <crutchy> they're only little gifs anyway
[03:49:11] <NCommander> Holy crap
[03:48:59] <Cyprus> expire headers are your friend =)
[03:48:46] <crutchy> got penalised for not leveraging browser caching
[03:48:25] <crutchy> hmm 96% :-)
[03:48:05] <crutchy> running another page on my site for a gallery... it might not do so well :-P
[03:47:51] <paulej72> crutchy: I believe they are png files because of tansparency, but I could be wrong
[03:47:43] <Cyprus> but they do have a point
[03:47:26] <Cyprus> heh they're talking about very small savings on the images
[03:46:56] <crutchy> they only need to be little gifs surely
[03:46:48] * NCommander is looking at the filesizes of the JS
[03:46:35] <paulej72> NCommander: I understand that but the biggest images we have are the logos
[03:46:04] <Cyprus> the main ding was the lack of hint headers for caching though
[03:46:04] <crutchy> i use gifs
[03:46:01] <crutchy> yeah maybe related to jpg compression
[03:45:52] <paulej72> Need to kill most of the js so that would fix most issue, but I am not alwasy a fan of minifying everything
[03:45:38] <NCommander> paulej72, its just saying we can compress better
[03:45:36] <Cyprus> and filetype
[03:45:33] <crutchy> s/A+/A/
[03:45:29] <Cyprus> it's probably related to size and count
[03:45:17] <crutchy> yeah i don't do that and my site got A+
[03:45:04] <paulej72> not sure what is the issue with non-optimized images
[03:45:04] <crutchy> holy crap that's a cool website
[03:44:50] <Cyprus> i see i've been out of the web game too long, i didn't even know what a css sprite was
[03:44:32] <paulej72> NCommander: we are not using many images so doing sprites would be an easy fix. was discussing this yesterday.
[03:43:02] <NCommander> paulej72, http://gtmetrix.com - I'd like to fix this
[03:42:48] <NCommander> Cyprus, welcome to the world world of slash
[03:40:45] <paulej72> NCommander: OK, I did not look at that file completely and missed that part
[03:40:45] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Evidence Jobs Was a Bully to be Excluded at Trial? - http://sylnt.us - now-the-dance-really-begins
[03:39:52] * Cyprus gags seeing "opt"
[03:39:17] <NCommander> paulej72, there was a call to "/opt/java/bin/java", its meant to invoke yuicompress to minify everything
[03:38:38] <paulej72> NCommander: not sure what you are taking about
[03:38:03] <NCommander> Its for doing instant minification
[03:37:58] <NCommander> paulej72, oh, BTW, I found what that java call was in symlink
[03:36:16] <Cyprus> and you lose that on /.
[03:36:12] <Cyprus> because i agree with you, context is very important
[03:35:56] <Cyprus> im trying to think of a compromise between single post metamod of /., and an impenetrable wall of mod
[03:35:23] <Cyprus> thats -
[03:35:23] <NCommander> Well, my thoughts is we will show the story, then comments, threaded like normal (though all of them expanded)
[03:35:21] <paulej72> NCommander: That was on my list to fix subscriber prefs
[03:35:19] <Cyprus> like a post with one moderator
[03:35:06] <NCommander> Cyprus, hrm ...
[03:34:59] <Cyprus> the cluster is easy to compute around a target post
[03:34:55] <paulej72> NCommander: would you want to have all the threads a comment bleongs to in its theread fielsd
[03:34:49] <NCommander> Easier crap to fix
[03:34:49] <Cyprus> well, are you wanting just random metamod, or are you wanting to target specific post moderation?
[03:34:41] * NCommander is going for lower hanging fruit here
[03:34:26] <NCommander> paulej72, BTW, since you did the preferences screen rework, can you get the Subscription thing to show up properly as a tab? :-)
[03:33:44] <paulej72> NCommander: the greasmonky script give the tid as the same as the cid
[03:33:42] <NCommander> ugh
[03:33:37] <Cyprus> kind of a hadoop like cluster of related posts
[03:33:25] <Cyprus> that's really what you're wanting
[03:33:24] <NCommander> rand() a comment, then get its children?
[03:33:10] <Cyprus> lemme think about how you'd pick the cluster target
[03:32:58] <Cyprus> hmm well you can still build the entire tree with one query in memory
[03:32:33] <NCommander> Not every moderation needs to get meta-modded
[03:32:31] <Cyprus> thinking
[03:32:18] <NCommander> Limit it to 20 or so comments at most?
[03:32:16] <Cyprus> it could be 1 post, it could be every comment in an article minus some spam idiot
[03:32:02] * NCommander grumbles
[03:32:00] <NCommander> ughhhhhhh
[03:31:42] <Cyprus> that still could be a lot
[03:31:33] <Cyprus> so origional parent
[03:31:27] <NCommander> From parent post downwards
[03:31:08] <Cyprus> thread id is like a cache of manually walking it
[03:30:33] <Cyprus> its all 1 big rooted tree
[03:30:25] <Cyprus> from the first parent? or what?
[03:30:17] <Cyprus> what you're talking about, where do you call it a "thread" ?
[03:30:04] <NCommander> But
[03:30:03] <NCommander> This probably isn't as hard as I think it is
[03:29:53] * NCommander just implements thread IDs
[03:29:52] <Cyprus> just not siblings
[03:29:48] <NCommander> Fuck it
[03:29:47] <Cyprus> but you'd get the entire thread that way
[03:29:38] <NCommander> Yeah, but its very hard if a moderation is valid without context
[03:29:18] <Cyprus> then walk the tree in code from a query containing ids and parents
[03:29:03] <Cyprus> it still wouldn't be that hard to pick a single comment that doesn't exist in the parent_cid list
[03:28:36] <NCommander> I want that so its possible to moderate+post-threads you've participated in
[03:28:16] <Cyprus> yes, its certianly cleaner to do it that way
[03:28:05] <NCommander> Having a proper thread id is useful for other reasons
[03:27:54] <Cyprus> yeah, thats all you need
[03:27:47] <NCommander> parent_cid field
[03:27:40] <Cyprus> how does it know?
[03:27:36] <Cyprus> but it wouldn't show it as a sub post
[03:27:25] <NCommander> Child posts will always have a higher CID than its parent, so that gets it roughly 40% correct by itself
[03:26:48] <NCommander> Then it sorts chronologically
[03:26:39] <NCommander> The way it works is it is select * from comments where story_id = sotry
[03:26:37] <Cyprus> how do the comments nest in the db?
[03:26:24] <NCommander> There's no concept of threading internal to slash
[03:26:19] <NCommander> Cyprus, you underestimate how hard that is
[03:26:11] <Cyprus> nah you dont need the ids, just a recursive crawl
[03:26:02] <Cyprus> or maybe pick a random childless post, and show all the parents?
[03:25:59] <NCommander> That's a fucking bitch and a half to implement though
[03:25:48] <Cyprus> pick a thread
[03:25:45] <NCommander> And then let people metamoderate entire threads
[03:25:45] <Cyprus> i was about to say that
[03:25:39] <NCommander> I think I need to implement thread ids
[03:25:21] <Cyprus> so i dont really have any good ideas
[03:25:11] <Cyprus> im not a fan of the current implementation on /. though either
[03:24:50] <NCommander> Yeah
[03:24:11] <Cyprus> hmmm that seems too far the other way
[03:23:36] <NCommander> (as though they had unlimited points)
[03:23:31] <Cyprus> or an iframe with php and a real interface *ducks*
[03:23:27] <NCommander> And then have people go through and moderate *every* comment
[03:23:15] <NCommander> I think what I'm going to do is have it load an entire article
[03:23:06] <NCommander> Yeah
[03:22:56] <Cyprus> sorry, forgot the sarcasm tags
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[03:22:44] <NCommander> srsly?
[03:22:44] <Cyprus> im leaving the skin out of this =)
[03:22:38] <Cyprus> the interface
[03:22:33] <NCommander> Cyprus, the blue?
[03:22:19] <Cyprus> oh that's so pretty
[03:21:59] <Cyprus> if it's anything like the rest of the starting interface, i'm sure it sucks
[03:21:53] <chromas> wtf Firefox won't let me accept cert
[03:21:52] <NCommander> Cyprus, http://imgbin.org
[03:20:48] <Cyprus> lol
[03:20:41] <NCommander> Let me post a screenshot
[03:20:35] <NCommander> Cyprus, .... well frack
[03:20:28] <Cyprus> i'm currently not elligible since my login doesnt exist on dev
[03:19:58] <Cyprus> so i wouldn't have seen any of it
[03:19:56] <NCommander> chromas, Cyprus: https://dev.soylentnews.org - feel the brainbleed
[03:19:50] <NCommander> Yeah
[03:19:48] <Cyprus> i was a lurker for a long time, which is why CyprusBlue113 is such a high number, instead of 4 digit
[03:19:47] <chromas> Is that the version you have?
[03:19:26] <NCommander> Cyprus, were you around for the original M2 on /.?
[03:19:09] <Cyprus> rofl
[03:19:04] <NCommander> Cyprus, I drastically overestimated the usability of the original coe :-)
[03:19:00] <chromas> -1, Too sexy for your mod
[03:18:54] <NCommander> Cyprus, metamod might be delayed
[03:17:09] * SpallsHurgenson demands a "+1 Sexy" mod so the people may finally mod me up for the right reasons :)
[03:13:50] <Cyprus> *factually incorrect, sorry not factually wrong
[03:13:22] <Cyprus> though i'd probably set it to +1
[03:13:14] <Cyprus> chromas: -1 intelectual masturbation
[03:12:36] <Cyprus> with metamod coming back, and the modding changes, it gives the opportunity to have things like factually wrong and not have it abused too much
[03:10:43] <chromas> (-1, Circlejerk)
[03:09:17] <paulej72> we have thougt about that, but we have not come to a concensus of what to add and how it would break modding. a wrong mod is not necessarly correctly applied if the modder is mistaken or naieve.
[03:09:15] <crutchy> groundbreaking...awesome...engaging...meh...pfft...piss poor....who is this asshat?
[03:07:08] <Cyprus> yeah i understand that, i mean like adding additonal mod options that werent on /. like wrong, naieve, etc
[03:06:30] <paulej72> Cyprus: you already can set the individual levels of a given mod. make funny -1 or what ever
[03:05:39] <paulej72> that code is split bettween Comments.pm, comments.pl and the various templates
[03:05:33] <Cyprus> so i have a question, you know how you can set values to insightful etc in user settings? how do ya'll feel about expanding the mod options a bit as an experiment, and letting users select on their own if they want them to be -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 ?
[03:04:50] <paulej72> I was having trouble figuring out were the code decide a post was below the threshold and to spit out a link to the comment instaed of the comment itself.
[03:03:16] <NCommander> paulej72, it shouldn't be that hard to do, most of the base work is there
[02:59:46] <paulej72> the threshold dropdown would be tied to js if on and would dynamically set the page view. The other buttons for show and hide would work on the individual comments and threads. Looked into this before, but did not make much headway. Need to look into that code again
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[02:57:14] <Cyprus> thats not a bad idea
[02:55:59] <paulej72> Cyprus: I want a view that spits out all of the comments and gives them all a class based on the threshold. You would then set the css on each class based on what your threshold is, so hiiden+1 shown+1 or some such.
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[02:54:52] <NCommander> paulej72, ick
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[02:52:50] <paulej72> NCommander: you could always sanitize the homepage settings
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[02:52:04] <NCommander> paulej72, gah, forgot about that
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[02:28:49] <Cyprus> that was one thing i was wondering about was the threaded mode threshold affects, as well as the comment count limit. It needs to have placeholder spots for "more here below threshold" etc
[02:25:19] <paulej72> NCommander: that code is not ready yet for general abuse. We need a new comment listing that does not hide comments below your threshold.
[02:21:49] <crutchy> g'day soylent
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[02:02:02] <xlefay> no objections, just don't break anything
[02:01:31] <NCommander> or xlefay
[02:01:12] <NCommander> paulej72, thoughts on doing so?
[01:59:21] <Cyprus> ncommander: you could always put the +- js live =P
[01:54:29] <NCommander> THat isn't incorporation
[01:54:26] <NCommander> Damn it, I need to do something useful
[01:53:30] <Cyprus> the best part was we got a call from like every local isp in the area within a few days asking about him because he wanted space
[01:52:21] <xlefay> Cyprus, rofl
[01:46:50] <SpallsHurgenson> fun and vaguely informational movie made for the general public when the IRS switched over to computer processing back in the '60s: http://www.networkworld.com
[01:45:21] <Cyprus> we're like, to fucking hotmail on port 25?
[01:45:14] <Cyprus> he tried to claim he was doing security scanning
[01:45:01] <Cyprus> we didn't do bcp38 at the time due to acl issues with the catalysts, but we still had netflow
[01:44:58] <xlefay> rofl
[01:43:58] <Cyprus> cops were involved, he paid his month and got them
[01:43:45] <Cyprus> he tried to pull his servers when we found him out after about 16 hours
[01:42:33] <Cyprus> works as long as the isp doesn't do bcp38, or notices
[01:42:18] <Cyprus> so the complaints dont come to the isp
[01:42:12] <Cyprus> get an ip, use the ip on the dial up as the sending ip, so all packets come back on it, and spoof the outbound out the big datacenter link
[01:42:06] <xlefay> Wow. Crime does pay
[01:41:48] <Cyprus> have them dial up to an isp
[01:41:42] <Cyprus> most impressive one i ever saw was a guy who would get a phone line for each server, like 50 servers
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[01:40:58] <Cyprus> all they have to do is stay up for like 5-6 days to make the run worth it
[01:40:37] <xlefay> wow.
[01:40:10] <Cyprus> per month
[01:40:07] <Cyprus> they generally break even after 2 days
[01:39:57] <Cyprus> actually, spam makes stupid money
[01:38:42] <xlefay> I wonder if the still have ksplice stuff
[01:38:12] <xlefay> who needs and unbreakable Linux kernel? Well I sure as hell don't
[01:38:02] <xlefay> NCommander, unless you were talking about the oracle shit then YES, I'm joking..
[01:37:33] <xlefay> ciao paulej72
[01:37:28] <xlefay> .. least not anymore
[01:37:23] * xlefay doesn't believe they actually make a good profit out of it unless they do it on a huge scale
[01:37:09] <paulej72> bbl, going for food now
[01:37:07] <xlefay> How much do spammers even make nowadays?
[01:36:35] <xlefay> "I block every email equally" doesn't quite have the same ring to "I hate everyone equally" but it'll work!
[01:36:31] <Cyprus> just drop email that has the evil bit set
[01:36:13] <xlefay> That's a bit discriminate against spam isn't it?
[01:35:28] <xlefay> back when the internet was still awesome, people could trust one another, you could just trust that xyz@xyz.com WAS xyz!
[01:35:25] <Cyprus> the biggest issue with email is the need to not block legitimate email from idiots
[01:35:25] <paulej72> xlefay: yes there is none
[01:35:08] <xlefay> paulej72, the biggest issue with e-mail is verification imo
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[01:34:43] <Cyprus> lol
[01:34:39] * xlefay ducks
[01:34:38] <xlefay> Cyprus, can you fax it to me?
[01:34:18] <Cyprus> xlefay: don't make me send you a FUSUP checklist =P
[01:34:16] <paulej72> email is awesome, but many of the foundations come from sending mail on a single system with the internet stuff bolted on top
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[01:34:14] <xlefay> don't see it either
[01:33:54] <Cyprus> i dont see faxes dying
[01:33:51] <xlefay> I'll take e-mail over the smartphone bullshit anyday
[01:33:49] <Cyprus> email has at least 10 years after faxes die
[01:33:41] <xlefay> with domain keys, you can even verify the sender properly
[01:33:38] <Cyprus> hell people still FAX
[01:33:30] <Cyprus> well clearly, but there isn't much you can do about it
[01:33:23] <xlefay> paulej72, but e-mail is _awesome_
[01:33:17] <xlefay> Cyprus, just showing that a lot of shit is so messed up
[01:33:07] <paulej72> I think mail is like IPV4 so many people use it, it can’t be fixed until everyone changes at once.
[01:32:49] <Cyprus> we were doing spam filtering as a service
[01:32:49] <xlefay> one misconfiguration and woops, shit ain't getting delivered! Properly configured? Ooh, XYZ server doesn't agree!
[01:32:42] <Cyprus> mail is easy once you learn it, and postfix makes it really easy, just have to read the entire documentation =)
[01:32:16] <xlefay> ugh, mail stuff can be insane at times
[01:31:59] <Cyprus> i wasnt a fulltime mail admin, just one function
[01:31:47] <paulej72> Cyprus: I am glad I am not a full time mail admin. It would drive me crazy.
[01:31:44] * xlefay goes to rage against couchpotato
[01:31:26] <xlefay> deadbeef, is there a question somewhere?
[01:31:08] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Environment Shown To Alter Perception Of Taste - http://sylnt.us - water-tasting-like-wine-again?
[01:30:52] <xlefay> NCommander, 9 of out 10 times no, but I'll make an exception for you
[01:30:34] <NCommander> xlefay, ... please tell me you are joking
[01:30:27] <xlefay> Heck, we can even get their unbreakable linux!
[01:30:25] <Cyprus> the queues had to be in ram to handle the traffic
[01:30:19] <xlefay> Cyprus, ugh, screw MS access, let's just go Oracle all the way
[01:30:09] <Cyprus> pauliej72: i dont remember the user count, it was about 25mb of incoming SMTP flow
[01:30:05] <xlefay> "once you do X, we'll talk about Y" .. 9/10 times, Y isn't even on the table after you do X
[01:29:59] <paulej72> lol
[01:29:45] <xlefay> paulej72, really? those statements generally sound like empty words to me
[01:29:26] <Cyprus> why not go the whole hog and use ms access
[01:29:20] <paulej72> xlefay: that seems like a challenge
[01:29:15] <Cyprus> rofl
[01:29:14] <Cyprus> oh on nfs
[01:29:02] <Cyprus> nah, needed something that can at least do in memory
[01:29:00] * NCommander ducks
[01:28:59] <NCommander> xlefay, when you get IRC migrated to carbon, we'll talk at getting a dedicated mail node :-)
[01:28:51] * xlefay pukes at the thought of sqlite
[01:28:45] <xlefay> guess you could even use sqlite on nfs or w/e
[01:28:35] <xlefay> yeah
[01:28:31] <Cyprus> but this was trying to be efficient as possible
[01:28:22] <Cyprus> dont get me wrong, postgres is awesome
[01:28:21] <xlefay> Doesn't it support PostgreSQL also?
[01:28:09] <Cyprus> mysql is lighter if you dont need it
[01:27:59] <Cyprus> meh replication requires using a sql db that has inteligence
[01:27:47] <paulej72> I have only done vainty mail severs for a few small groups of ~20 users
[01:27:38] <xlefay> Cyprus, heck, you an even do some replicating stuff to ensure that's always retained (although.. for sqlgrey alone that's silly, unless, the main db goes down and sqlgrey doesn't handle that gracefully [don't know how it deals with that..])
[01:27:28] <Cyprus> well, big at the time
[01:27:13] <Cyprus> several big ISPs
[01:26:58] <paulej72> how many users were you supporting on your mail servers Cyprus
[01:26:51] <Cyprus> and the whole table can sit in memory on 1 big box
[01:26:44] <xlefay> Essentially, my favorite mail config would be, dedicated mail box - and have SVC/beryllium & boron as backup MX's
[01:26:40] <Cyprus> means you can use a braindead lvs
[01:26:09] <xlefay> sqlgrey is greylisting but then it stores shit in a db so, like cyprus says, it scales along
[01:26:03] <Cyprus> without persistant lb inteligence
[01:25:57] <Cyprus> i love it because it's one of the few grey implementations that can scale to multiple nodes
[01:25:50] <paulej72> never used sqlgrey
[01:25:29] <xlefay> Used it in the past, saves quite a bit of time in the long run when waiting for mail
[01:25:22] <paulej72> Cyprus: we disabled clamd on the main mail server as it was eating up too much resources
[01:25:01] <xlefay> sqlgrey is nice
[01:24:34] * Cyprus loves sqlgrey
[01:24:24] <Cyprus> last mail system i built used like 15 services
[01:24:10] <Cyprus> mail gets complicated enough, you generally want it seperatre
[01:24:07] <xlefay> besides it being more sensible.
[01:23:57] <Cyprus> i would
[01:23:53] <xlefay> I really want it on a dedicated box though, would make shit a lot simpler
[01:23:42] <deadbeef> todo item 14 added
[01:23:42] <paulej72> !todo delete todo list
[01:23:31] <xlefay> indeed
[01:23:25] <xlefay> ugh.. this todo list is insufferably long
[01:23:21] <Cyprus> and single egress makes it much simpler
[01:23:14] <Cyprus> yeah that is worth doing
[01:23:09] <xlefay> That reminds me, domainkeys and shit
[01:22:48] <xlefay> (although granted.. most just softfail anyway)
[01:22:46] <Cyprus> ~all =P
[01:22:40] <xlefay> Cyprus, sure it is, doesn't mean lot's don't check for it
[01:22:29] <Cyprus> SPF is pointless
[01:22:20] <Cyprus> and spread
[01:22:16] <Cyprus> it may not be affecting you yet, but a lot of orgs look at rate
[01:22:11] <xlefay> Cyprus, makes SPF and shit also a whole lot simpler
[01:21:51] <xlefay> mail.soylentnews.org & staff.soylentnews.org have MX records so far..
[01:21:46] <Cyprus> yeah, i didn't say it couldn't be redundant, but you want to try to concentrate on 1 outbound
[01:21:28] <xlefay> eh paulej72
[01:21:21] <xlefay> Cyprus, from as far as it makes sense, agreed
[01:21:19] <paulej72> Cyprus: at least what looks to be one mail server (may be redundant ones)
[01:21:05] <xlefay> yea.. it is
[01:20:31] <Cyprus> you probably want 1 mail server from a deliverability perspective
[01:20:31] <paulej72> Ok I really need to go and get food now. bbl
[01:19:51] <paulej72> nuke and repave
[01:19:28] <paulej72> our bastard child cnetos box
[01:19:03] <paulej72> mail is on beryllium correct
[01:17:57] <xlefay> then again, I think we really should be having a dedicated mail server instead of all these mail servers spread around, SVC getting crowded (can't even properly run clamd) etc.
[01:17:12] <paulej72> lol
[01:17:03] <xlefay> It isn't now, but it should, especially when we add more frontends..
[01:17:02] <paulej72> It may be a good idea as we get multiple front ends that the mail goes out from one place (or maybe not)?
[01:16:18] <paulej72> xlefay: do we want hydrogen to realy mail throug mail.sn?
[01:13:34] <xlefay> Well, that's true
[01:13:23] <xlefay> *le sigh*
[01:13:20] <xlefay> it shouldn't break.. but then again, how often have we said "it shouldn't break" in the past..
[01:13:08] <paulej72> yes but not all users at once type of breakeages
[01:12:42] <xlefay> eh, registration mails, password resets?
[01:12:14] <paulej72> xlefay: I am not afraid to break mail as it will not be noticealbe on the front end. I just do not want to worry about another fix today. Also I need to get some food soon.
[01:10:54] <xlefay> but we're all afraid shit'll break.. for obvious reasons
[01:10:21] <xlefay> ugh, cat blame > /dev/null; it doesn't matter, it just needs to get fixed]
[01:09:32] <paulej72> lets blame robind or mechanicjay as they are not here to defend themselves :)
[01:09:18] * xlefay notes that was the config from the start
[01:08:47] <NCommander> I don't remember who did the postfix config
[01:05:17] <paulej72> agreed
[01:04:48] <xlefay> <bad-joke> we'll do it tomorrow, one breakage a day right? </bad-joke>
[01:03:40] <paulej72> cya xlefay
[01:03:26] <paulej72> well I am not up to breaking the site today so I am not going to chanage anything
[01:02:46] <xlefay> I hit my limit of idiotic shit, cya
[01:02:34] <paulej72> It wasn’t me :)
[01:02:20] <xlefay> ugh, that entire config stinks
[01:02:14] * xlefay facepalms
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[01:01:29] <paulej72> that is also set
[01:01:28] <xlefay> Yes, remove soylentnews.org, from that list, and 'localhost.com' seriously?
[01:01:15] <paulej72> mydestination = soylentnews.org, localhost.com, localhost
[01:01:12] <xlefay> So, remove soylentnews.org from postfix's config <--- best solution
[01:00:05] <paulej72> mailbox_size_limit = 0
[00:59:40] <xlefay> So, remove soylentnews.org from postfix's config
[00:58:38] <NCommander> Joy
[00:58:36] <NCommander> paulej72, yup
[00:57:49] <paulej72> NCommander: went to /dev/null
[00:56:59] <NCommander> No mail for mcasadevall
[00:56:59] <NCommander> mcasadevall@hydrogen:~$ mail
[00:56:56] <xlefay> Well, if it uses that e-mail to send, then there's the issue
[00:56:41] <NCommander> hrm
[00:56:20] <paulej72> xlefay: NCommander is using his SN account for email on prod.
[00:54:51] <xlefay> prod still believes it's responsible for soylentnews.org e-mail, which it isn't
[00:54:39] <xlefay> paulej72, yes.. postfix works, unless you try to send to a soylentnews.org account
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[00:53:28] <paulej72> postfix is working
[00:53:18] <paulej72> test email from slash user on hydrogen recieved from my princeton account
[00:52:42] <paulej72> NCommander: do believe you are correct.
[00:52:08] <NCommander> paulej72, dollars to donuts that zero means admins don't have to deal with formkeys
[00:50:26] <paulej72> set to zero
[00:49:23] <NCommander> ^- no wonder I never seem to get ratelimited -_;
[00:49:15] <NCommander> Do admins have to bother with formkeys?
[00:49:14] <NCommander> Well, THATS why we don't see problems
[00:49:09] <NCommander> Huh
[00:48:15] * NCommander checks
[00:48:13] <NCommander> xlefay, I don't think I did
[00:47:59] <xlefay> did you change the e-mail address to @soylentnews.org? If so, that's the problem.
[00:47:49] <xlefay> probably postfix itself..
[00:47:25] <NCommander> Somehow
[00:47:23] <NCommander> someplace
[00:47:21] <NCommander> paulej72, I suspect we're dealing with a mailer issue somewhere
[00:47:14] <NCommander> paulej72, I get them from dev and chillax ...
[00:41:11] <xlefay> beta even rofl
[00:41:09] <xlefay> 5. slashdot.org apple-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/02/10...
[00:41:00] <xlefay> I like #5 in "What sites link to soylentnews.org?"
[00:40:30] <xlefay> Oh my.. Alexa finally got a sensible layout
[00:39:16] <paulej72> did you break them when we updated the messsagin system, or did we not apply that to prod.
[00:38:19] <NCommander> Hrm
[00:38:18] * NCommander notes he's not getting stats emails anymore
[00:37:23] <NCommander> paulej72, our alexa rank has gone up considerably, http://www.alexa.com We were ~300,000
[00:36:39] <NCommander> paulej72, on par. We transfer ~60 GiB per month ATM
[00:36:04] <paulej72> NCommander: how does that match with our past usesage amounts?
[00:35:15] <NCommander> ^- (traffic through the LB in the last 24 hours)
[00:35:05] <NCommander> Damn
[00:35:04] <NCommander> Transfered this Month 17.5 MB in - 1.29 GB out (1.31 GB total)
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