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[00:01:11] <paulej72> I think we Soyled his site
[00:04:41] <Blackmoore> oh that's sweet
[00:04:54] <Blackmoore> I'll have to add that to my MC server
[00:07:18] <Blackmoore> ok g'night folks\
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[00:22:13] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Intuit Lobbies Against Simplified Tax Filings - http://sylnt.us - what's-good-for-business-is-good-for-everyone
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[01:47:21] <SpallsHurgenson> helpful hint: just because you CAN stick a cotton swab in an electric screwdriver, doesn't mean you should use an the electric-swab to clean your ears. Just thought you all should know that.
[01:48:24] <chromas> You're right. Should use a drill
[01:51:17] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Atletico Madrid Coach Uses Google Glasses - http://sylnt.us - sport-needs-more-statistics
[01:54:24] <SpallsHurgenson> google glass needs a laser pointer attached to it, to better emulate the borg
[01:54:57] <SpallsHurgenson> (and maybe something that sprays out dust or mist, so you can see the laser)
[01:55:38] * NCommander reinstalls minecraft
[01:56:05] <Landon> and this is the last we see of NCommander
[01:56:34] <NCommander> Probably
[01:56:42] <SpallsHurgenson> they can emulate CPUs on minecraft now... try to get soylent servers running on those CPUs :)
[01:57:39] * NCommander wonders if he setup Minecraft if people would play
[01:57:42] <chromas> And then Minecraft too
[01:57:53] <chromas> Minecraft inside Minecraft
[01:58:00] * SpallsHurgenson is more interested in the creative aspect of minecraft than the gamey bits
[01:58:19] * SpallsHurgenson has built himself a city :)
[01:59:27] <NCommander> Well, I'd likely build Spawn as a huge city (256x256 model of the lighthouse of alexandria) with NPC village, free starting tools, various animals, etc.
[01:59:53] <NCommander> and a massive metro system
[02:01:45] <chromas> Can we gather into halls and discuss articles we didn't read?
[02:02:07] <NCommander> chromas, sure! hell, I'd find a way to autogenerate books with article text in them
[02:02:31] <chromas> And expend SN karma to buy things
[02:11:25] <SpallsHurgenson> SN karma is to valuable to waste on such frivolous things; I'm saving mine to bequeath to my children!
[02:13:58] <chromas> I'd have to start posting comments again to keep it up; nobody wants that
[02:15:14] <SpallsHurgenson> Aiieeeeeeee!
[02:58:52] * NCommander pushed a minor site update
[02:58:54] <NCommander> yay sidebar
[02:59:58] <chromas> Nice
[03:00:34] <NCommander> We are getting better at getting the site to bend to our will
[03:01:24] * SpallsHurgenson fails his Spot roll and cannot see any difference. Also, I got ambushed by a kobold.
[03:02:00] <chromas> Oops. If you've got it all figured out then it must be time for a total refactor.
[03:02:39] * NCommander just updated the DNS to use the new loadbalancer
[03:04:02] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, did /. always have that bar at the bottom where you can jump to articles from past Monday, Sunday, Saturday, etc? And can we add that to Soylent?
[03:04:57] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, not that I remember, and maybe?
[03:09:11] <SpallsHurgenson> and - apropos of nothing - I noticed pipedot is allowing ACs now. Hopefully that will give a boost to the number of comments they get
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[03:31:33] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Have We Passed Peak Storage? - http://sylnt.us - big-data-would-know
[03:36:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I have about 14TB of data-storage just in the room here with me; do I /really/ need more storage?
[03:36:26] <SpallsHurgenson> (answer: yes, yes I do)
[03:36:54] <SpallsHurgenson> having said that, I wish they'd stop making the drives bigger and start making the data smaller :)
[03:40:40] <chromas> It'll never happen. First, we'll invent zuperUltra doubleQuad HD Plus+ Deluxe video. Then, we'll switch to an open format made of pure XML
[03:41:59] <chromas> <pixel red="65535" green="0" blue="65535" /><pixel red="
[03:43:28] <SpallsHurgenson> you aren't using enough bytes there... why use "65535" when you can type "1111111111111111" instead? :-)
[03:46:00] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, the population is aging and increasingly can't differentiate between the higher visual and audible resolutions, so at a certain point it just doesn't make sense to increase them any further
[03:48:04] <chromas> <pixel colormodel="RGB" type="uint64" width="1" height="0.999998" gamma=".939" red="10000101001010001010101
[03:48:32] <MrBluze> chromas: then we can reduce our keyboard size by 8 keys
[03:48:36] <chromas> I wouldn't mind higher res computer displays, maybe like phones, except they seem to drop the color depth
[03:48:56] <chromas> Ooh. That makes room for more F-keys
[03:49:39] <MrBluze> bbl .. work
[03:51:52] <chromas> Reduce to one key: "— — — — – – — — – – – – — – — — —"
[03:53:49] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, it it was good enough for Mr. Samuel Morse, it's good enough for you!
[03:54:48] <chromas> Still one too many buttons for the likes of Steve Jobs
[03:55:23] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I just taught a Mac user about right-clicking today
[03:55:47] <chromas> Was she shocked?
[03:56:24] <SpallsHurgenson> a) how did you know it was a "she" and b) no so much "shocked" as utterly confused at the concept that a mouse could have two buttons.
[03:56:47] <chromas> a) Mac user
[03:56:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't dare try to explain the mouse-wheel; her brain would have exploded (also, I've tried teaching her about the mouse wheel ten times already :)
[04:00:16] <chromas> I thought the wheel was a bit silly when I first started seeing them. There's a scrollbar, right? But after using one for just a bit, going back to no wheel just feels retarded
[04:00:55] <SpallsHurgenson> argh, those damn fiddly scrollbars! torment me not with manual scrolling!
[04:01:17] <SpallsHurgenson> to be fair, my current mouse has something like eight buttons and I don't think I've ever used most of 'em :)
[04:02:51] <chromas> You've gotta get to work setting them up! In fact, eight isn't enough
[04:03:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the problem is my lack of fingers; that's why I've been eating processed plutonium to speed up the inevitable mutations :)
[04:03:54] <chromas> :)
[04:04:26] <chromas> I used to be a button junky but then my trackball died
[04:06:11] <chromas> oops, "took an arrow to the knee". That's still popular, right?
[04:07:13] <SpallsHurgenson> umm... it is? It sounds spectacularly painful to me. Then again, I'm a geek so what do I know about cool and fashionable? :)
[04:08:03] <chromas> I get all my cool fashionability from 4chan :-D
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[04:08:34] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
[04:10:14] <SpallsHurgenson> Aieeeeee!
[04:15:00] <BadCoderFinger> Hey Spalls! How are things?
[04:15:15] <SpallsHurgenson> Aieeeeeeeee!
[04:15:25] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, ahem. sorry.
[04:15:44] <BadCoderFinger> Less coffee, my friend.
[04:15:55] <SpallsHurgenson> ohmigod, coffee! aieeeeee!
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[04:16:16] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, that's even starting to annoy me now :)
[04:17:44] <BadCoderFinger> It's the screeching. Oddly enough, screeching annoys even the screecher.
[04:18:30] <SpallsHurgenson> today, I had the first real oh-my-god-it-don't-work-no-more Windows crash in over a decade. It was sort of exciting
[04:18:55] <SpallsHurgenson> (at least until I had to restore from the backup and re-apply a gajillion patches :)
[04:19:40] <BadCoderFinger> I find myself unsurprised that windows crashed, even in this day and age.
[04:20:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno; maybe I've just been lucky. Apps crash, sure. The OS crashes when the hardware goes tits up, I get it. But Windows otherwise has been (relatively) stable for me otherwise.
[04:21:01] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, for Windows. It's not like I keep it running for six months without a reboot :)
[04:21:15] <BadCoderFinger> I don't mean any offense, it's a bit like expecting Yugo to make a space shuttle.
[04:21:39] * SpallsHurgenson isn't sure why he would be offended... /I/ didn't write the fucking thing :)
[04:21:58] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[04:22:02] <chromas> I think he meant offensive to Yugo
[04:22:06] <chromas> for the somparison
[04:22:14] <chromas> /s/s/c/
[04:22:18] <BadCoderFinger> Some people get rather attached to their chosen system.
[04:22:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but that has more to do with my fixation with crazy glue
[04:23:14] <BadCoderFinger> Woohoo! Crazy glue!
[04:23:31] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, I see somebody else has a similar fixation!
[04:25:13] * SpallsHurgenson uses Linux, Windows and Macs... they are all equally good and equally sucky, just in different areas of competence :)
[04:25:14] <BadCoderFinger> Well, how can you resist? It's crazy!
[04:26:17] <SpallsHurgenson> still, despite its rep, I was really surprised to have WIndows fuck itself up so badly (without outside help, like from viruses) that I actually had to restore.
[04:26:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I gotta say, I was sorta impressed. God bless you, Windows 8, for bringing back my sense of wonder :)
[04:27:47] <BadCoderFinger> Are you sure that's wonder? Because it might be disgust. Even Microsoft is backtracking at this point.
[04:28:30] <BadCoderFinger> "Erm, sorry about that whole tiles-on-the-desktop thing. We found a big stash of crack in Ballmer's desk."
[04:29:27] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but I haven't bothered with Metro for months. good bless classicstart :)
[04:29:48] <SpallsHurgenson> s/good/god/
[04:29:49] <SedBot> <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but I haven't bothered with Metro for months. god bless classicstart :)
[04:29:57] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[04:30:24] <SpallsHurgenson> although, come to think of it, I need to reinstall that now too...
[04:30:34] <BadCoderFinger> It does make Win8 into a well-polished turd.
[04:31:17] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I've forgotten that it was windows8; I kept thinking it was a win7 machine :)
[04:31:18] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Bomb Threats Being Tweeted to American Airlines - http://sylnt.us - noise-signal-ratio
[04:31:29] <BadCoderFinger> I use a Mac at work. It's ok, and I'd take it over windows any day, but it can't do focus-follows-mouse. This annoys me greatly.
[04:32:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't stand xmouse... but that's probably because I'm a nervous mouse twiddler
[04:32:21] <BadCoderFinger> Of course, that's a poor metric. Many things annoy me greatly.
[04:32:32] <SpallsHurgenson> (you know the sort; I "wind" the mouse whenever I'm not actually pointing or dragging :)
[04:33:22] <BadCoderFinger> It's a bit like chewing a virtual pen.
[04:33:53] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, focus-follows-mouse means random windows keep popping up when I do that :)
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[04:36:37] <BadCoderFinger> Well, I'd still like to make the choice.
[04:37:05] <SpallsHurgenson> choice? you're on the wrong OS, mister! :-)
[04:37:22] <BadCoderFinger> Ha!
[04:38:04] <BadCoderFinger> I'm happy on Linux. I can tune it fairly well, and if it doesn't behave I change the code.
[04:39:36] <BadCoderFinger> I installed homebrew on the Mac, and a big pile of tools, but I still can't do some of the tricks I do on Linux. Like bridging ethernet devices to troubleshoot a foreign stream without using a 100Mbit hub.
[04:39:47] <SpallsHurgenson> well yeah, if you want choice, then *nix is the way to go.
[04:40:13] <SpallsHurgenson> Linux's attitude is "You wanna change stuff around? Sure, screw yourself silly, we don't care. Here, have a powerdrill; we'll just sit here and watch! This should be fun!"
[04:40:41] <BadCoderFinger> I'm not the normal user, though. I'll take powerful and dangerous over safe and hamstrung any day.
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[04:41:34] <BadCoderFinger> Wnich is why I'm a C coder, heh!
[04:47:51] <BadCoderFinger> What, everybody hates C?
[04:48:29] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry, I couldn't type I was watching a video
[04:51:58] <BadCoderFinger> No worries, beer and Blackadder await...
[04:52:06] <SpallsHurgenson> (and winding my mouse)
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[05:50:17] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Snowden Used Special Linux Distro for Anonymity - http://sylnt.us
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[08:01:26] <xlefay> eek, what are ya doing there arti ?
[08:01:36] <xlefay> sounded nasty :P
[08:01:39] <arti> lol
[08:01:54] * arti is populating his address book and creating users
[08:01:55] <xlefay> Looking for anything specific? :P
[08:01:57] <xlefay> oh rofl
[08:02:07] <arti> hahaha, sorry for the alarm trigger.
[08:02:08] <xlefay> your client automagically fingers others :P
[08:02:24] <arti> oh no, those were manual. i was just pressing each of the buttons to see which had the best unique info
[08:02:29] <xlefay> ooh rofl :P
[08:02:43] <arti> mucho better with colors
[08:03:07] <xlefay> no worries haha, thought you needed something (although, it would have been somewhat awkward!)
[08:03:19] <xlefay> hehe
[08:03:25] <arti> not yet, situation normal
[08:03:30] * arti knows how to get xlefay's attention
[08:03:39] <xlefay> So I *finally* unspanned the entire thing and Ubuntu's on the HTPC ;D
[08:03:40] <xlefay> rofl
[08:03:46] <arti> slash?
[08:03:48] <ar> hm
[08:03:57] <xlefay> no, was referring to my HTPC
[08:04:05] <ar> 080357 !-- | >>> No topic set for #irpg
[08:04:09] <xlefay> but it was a slashy installation
[08:04:18] <xlefay> ugh, stupid topiclock wasn't set
[08:04:37] <arti> ar you're kicking ass in irpg
[08:04:42] <arti> you were at 12 days, now 8.
[08:04:49] <arti> in a span of ~ 3 hours
[08:04:51] <ar> btw, what's withe (lack of) irpg website?
[08:04:52] <xlefay> Fixed that
[08:04:59] <xlefay> eh, lack of time mostly
[08:05:03] <arti> irpg has a quest thing o.o
[08:05:07] <ar> yup
[08:05:08] * arti likes the map coordinates
[08:05:40] <xlefay> I'll make some time for it this week or so, and finish the site
[08:06:04] <xlefay> just don't expect nice source code x'D
[08:07:17] <arti> oh cool
[08:07:26] <arti> no worries, as long as it works, php?
[08:07:32] <xlefay> yeah
[08:07:42] <xlefay> The map shit is done fugly though
[08:07:48] <xlefay> (the default of idlerpg)
[08:08:04] <arti> as long as it works heh, we can do a google map js thingy later
[08:08:14] * xlefay doesn't recommend anyone looking at the original idlerpg site source code
[08:08:17] <ar> OSM?
[08:08:37] <xlefay> well, it kinda has a non-earthly map
[08:09:07] <xlefay> I was actually planning on keeping track of all events, and eventually using timeline.js to create an awesome timelime of events (who would've guessed the last bit?)
[08:09:53] <xlefay> ever used the 'slim' framework?
[08:10:07] <arti> uh no
[08:10:12] <arti> not that it sucks
[08:10:20] <arti> it would be what i would use to begin a new rest api
[08:10:25] <arti> pet project
[08:10:36] <xlefay> Figured I'd try it out so, the nerdrpg site is built in it
[08:10:51] <arti> ah cool, my language time (besides work) is spent with haskell
[08:11:04] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Switching from Sitting to Standing Offices - http://sylnt.us - Stand-up-Sit-down-Fight-Fight-Fight
[08:11:08] <arti> so many things to experiment with
[08:11:36] <xlefay> I wouldn't really use slim for anything else though, after using it, I'm not that impressed. For a rest API, I'd use Phalcon every time.. it's just so damn light & easy
[08:11:41] <arti> xlefay sounds awesome, maybe i can help. is the code somewhere online?
[08:11:59] <xlefay> I'll publish it on Git after I cleaned up some weirdness :P
[08:12:09] * arti is transitioning over to more of a design role
[08:12:28] <arti> doing projects in and outside of the day gig becomes tiresome
[08:12:41] <xlefay> <-- damt'
[08:12:54] <xlefay> really depends on what kinda problems
[08:12:55] <arti> no rush dude, just when you feel like sharing i'd like to take a look
[08:12:59] <xlefay> damt = designing ain't my thing ;-)
[08:13:05] * arti does it all
[08:13:21] <arti> jack of all trades, master of none
[08:13:21] <xlefay> yeah, I'll publish it soon tho, that was always part of the plan
[08:13:46] <arti> i'd like to see how to extend it, i've got some ideas
[08:13:51] <xlefay> I unfortunately, do design too, but whenever I dealt with a larger company, I'd simply tell them to get a designer
[08:14:03] <arti> yeah, i feel you
[08:14:11] <xlefay> I would do the code, the designer the layout, much, much easier
[08:14:29] <xlefay> slim's pretty easy though
[08:14:40] <xlefay> let me see if I can dig up the one class I built for dealing with the nerdrpg db
[08:14:44] * xlefay notes it ain't pretty..
[08:16:34] * arti understands this approach
[08:16:56] <xlefay> .. the regex is extremely fugly btw
[08:17:05] <xlefay> excessive too
[08:17:05] <arti> there is a tool to gen that :P
[08:17:19] <xlefay> ugh, it's so full of bad shit
[08:17:25] * xlefay is ashamed but.. here we go:
[08:17:26] <xlefay> http://nerdrpg.xlefay.nl
[08:18:13] <xlefay> yeah, which one is that?
[08:19:10] <xlefay> .. like I said, full of shit
[08:19:34] <arti> http://www.regexr.com
[08:19:50] <xlefay> oh my, that looks neat. :D
[08:19:58] <arti> it's a filthy web app too
[08:20:17] <xlefay> "filthy"?
[08:20:23] <ar> xlefay: 24 hours. Grid-based quests are based on the <a href="#grid">grid</p>
[08:20:34] <ar> xlefay: line 350 of the /gameinfo
[08:20:45] <ar> xlefay: you didn't close <a /> tag
[08:20:59] <xlefay> eek, lemme fix that
[08:20:59] <arti> i know how much you like webapps
[08:21:16] <arti> [ Ar Achievement Unlocked: Debugger ]
[08:21:24] <xlefay> haha
[08:21:38] <arti> man i've got ideas
[08:21:47] * arti will explore
[08:21:59] * xlefay notes he uses Twig :)
[08:22:16] <ar> xlefay: also, this webpage uses a copy of the idlerpg db, not the live thing, right?
[08:22:22] <xlefay> yeah a copy
[08:24:51] <xlefay> aah, ar, it was closed however, due to an indent, the markdown stuff took the wrong turn
[08:25:04] <arti> very cool, thanks for sharing
[08:25:19] <xlefay> You never used Twig before?
[08:25:24] <arti> yeah
[08:25:38] <xlefay> Volt = Twig on steroids (and a bit stricter)
[08:25:48] * arti doesn't mind strictness
[08:25:49] <xlefay> Volt is also a part of Phalcon, same syntax etc..
[08:25:56] <arti> is this how you discovered it?
[08:25:59] <xlefay> Twig is based on Django's templating language (quite literally, it is)
[08:26:15] <xlefay> nah, I discovered it when I was mucking around with Django and then went to search for one in PHP
[08:27:15] <xlefay> The template stuff is really awesome, I'd take Volt over Twig any day, but the purpose of the nerdrpg site is to be portable so :'(
[08:29:16] <arti> they're all tools, pick the right ones for the job
[08:29:18] <ar> xlefay: <h2>Items</h2>, same thing - </p> instead of </a>
[08:29:45] <ar> erm
[08:29:47] <ar> <code>unique item&lt;/a&gt;)
[08:29:49] <ar> o_O
[08:29:49] <xlefay> There's a lot of stuff wrong in the gameinfo.md stuff, haven't looked at it closely
[08:30:11] <xlefay> <a href="#uniqueitems">
[08:30:11] <xlefay> unique item</a>)
[08:30:18] <xlefay> See. that space in front of it, is the issue
[08:31:34] <xlefay> fixed now
[08:31:46] <ar> yay
[08:32:16] <xlefay> This is actually the reason why I was moving it to markdown anyway :p
[08:32:35] <xlefay> So anyone could quite easily fix things.. guess I really oughta put it on Git already :P
[08:33:15] <xlefay> ar++
[08:33:15] <deadbeef> karma - ar: 1
[08:33:18] <xlefay> arti++
[08:33:18] <deadbeef> karma - arti: 39
[08:37:37] <xlefay> ugh I gotta get ready, have a follow up @ the hospital in a couple of hours, bbl, take care ;-)
[08:40:04] <arti> take care dude
[08:41:25] <chromas> Ooh, I still have mod points. They expire at five hours ago
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[09:21:59] <swiss> kinda strange question... but does anyone have any normal sneakers they really recommend?
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[09:22:39] <swiss> my current pair have seen better days, and I kinda need a new pair. These would be worn to work, and for everything else cause i'm a guy who doesn't really think about what he's gonna do before putting on shoes
[09:24:49] <arti> swiss, sketchers tone ups?
[09:24:57] * arti has some "older" ones
[09:25:14] <arti> arguably they're the most comfortable "cheap" shoes i've purchased
[09:25:53] <swiss> price isn't really my concern.... if it's a good pair of shoes, it's worth it
[09:26:07] <arti> oh absolutely, but over 150 it gets eye watering
[09:26:51] <swiss> http://www.amazon.com this is basically what i have now, but all black
[09:27:07] <arti> maybe some vans?
[09:27:21] <swiss> i'm debating them, but I seem to remember them having like 0 arch support
[09:27:38] <swiss> comfort is #1 priority in this
[09:27:47] * arti is pretty picky with shoes
[09:28:05] <swiss> the two key things are comfort and durability
[09:28:06] <arti> the tone ups were a complete surprise at ross or mervins, marshalls? whatever
[09:28:20] <swiss> i'm totally looking to order whatever i buy off amazon
[09:28:25] <arti> "what..." *tries on* *keeps*
[09:28:25] <swiss> because amazon is best store
[09:33:38] * arti likes amazon
[09:33:42] <arti> i usually buy books off of it
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[10:27:32] <SirFinkus> http://www.ustream.tv
[10:27:37] <SirFinkus> well, here we go...
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[10:31:08] <SirFinkus> I think these are the ukrainian armored vehicles that defected earlier
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[10:33:44] <SirFinkus> nevermind, I think they're loyal ones
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[10:34:27] <SirFinkus> yep
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[10:49:17] * arti o.o
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[10:59:26] <crutchy> fkin xchat
[10:59:43] <arti> a poor artist blames his tools
[10:59:47] * arti runs
[11:00:08] * crutchy is poor but unfortunately isn't an artist
[11:00:12] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Model S Cost of Ownership vs. Honda Odyssey - http://sylnt.us - Let's-get-Westinghoused
[11:00:31] <crutchy> g'day arti
[11:01:13] <crutchy> i found a "feature" in my latest bots that uses 100% cpu
[11:01:20] <SirFinkus> but are you a tool?
[11:01:24] * SirFinkus runs
[11:01:29] * crutchy is sure people would buy that
[11:01:36] <crutchy> lol i am a tool
[11:01:49] <crutchy> used and abused :-P
[11:02:08] <arti> oh nice, which was that?
[11:02:13] <arti> l'oop crutchy
[11:02:53] <crutchy> i had a call to stream_set_blocking on a socket set to false
[11:03:25] <arti> hmm, i must be out of practice, wonder why that generates a shitfit
[11:03:27] * crutchy wonders what the main program loop was if not the socket while loop
[11:05:35] <crutchy> yeah i don't really know either
[11:05:57] <arti> http://imgur.com
[11:06:25] <crutchy> lol
[11:06:34] <crutchy> yeah that's usually the case
[11:07:09] <crutchy> this time after i tried a usleep (there was none before) i pretty much suspected the non-blocking socket call
[11:07:38] <crutchy> i'm still ignorant, but i guessed right :-P
[11:10:15] <arti> nice, your ancestors would be proud
[11:27:42] <arti> yay, report query works.
[11:27:44] * arti yawns
[11:27:56] <arti> time to catch some Zs later folks
[11:28:08] <crutchy> cya arti
[11:28:13] * crutchy salutes
[11:28:18] <arti> i'll be more fun tomorrow
[11:28:27] <crutchy> i have a day off tomorrow :-D
[11:28:27] <arti> or whatever that equates to in oz time
[11:28:31] <crutchy> lol
[11:28:38] <arti> "lunch"
[11:28:44] <crutchy> our time runs backwards to yours
[11:28:45] <arti> nice, get out, do something fun
[11:29:01] <arti> one of those trampoline places
[11:29:06] <crutchy> haha
[11:29:06] <arti> children = popcorn
[11:29:13] <crutchy> missus has to go to the quack
[11:29:18] <crutchy> lmao
[11:29:28] <crutchy> they don't need a trampoline to be popcorn
[11:29:44] <arti> just feed them raw honey
[11:29:47] <chromas> It's easier to launch them over the fence, though
[11:29:58] <arti> my secret weapons are coffee ice cream and harmonicas
[11:30:06] <arti> feed, gift and deposit
[11:30:26] <crutchy> yes... unfortunately the holes in my fence are probably just about big enough for them to squeeze though so they'd keep coming back
[11:30:46] <arti> sound like strays
[11:30:48] <arti> just don't feed them
[11:30:53] <arti> the problem will solve itself
[11:31:08] <crutchy> lol that makes it worse... initiates 'nag mode'
[11:31:13] * arti had a cat visitor for awhile
[11:31:26] <arti> it became a game when i would return it outside
[11:31:37] <arti> crawl to my patio
[11:31:42] <arti> meow loudly
[11:31:49] <crutchy> our neighbour's cat owns our yard
[11:31:57] <crutchy> it's a nice cat though
[11:31:58] <arti> "MIIIIINE. MIIIIIINE."
[11:32:06] <crutchy> plays games with the guinea pigs
[11:32:11] <arti> either that or its getting poked
[11:32:21] <crutchy> or actually seems like the guinea pigs play games with the cat
[11:32:30] <arti> and all is well wit hthe world
[11:32:44] <arti> you might like this: http://www.regexr.com
[11:33:05] <crutchy> ew regex
[11:33:08] <crutchy> :-P
[11:33:21] <arti> yeah, basically. this makes it like regex with butter sauce
[11:33:30] <crutchy> hmm looks pretty cool
[11:33:41] <crutchy> highlighty thing so i can see what the hell i'm doing
[11:33:53] <arti> you should get one for the missus
[11:34:07] <arti> it'll prevent surprises
[11:34:19] <arti> or maybe not,
[11:34:30] <arti> anyway, enjoy your day off dude, i'm crashing
[11:34:34] * arti salutes
[11:34:43] <crutchy> cheers
[11:34:46] <crutchy> night
[11:34:50] <crutchy> all that
[11:36:27] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[11:36:29] <SirFinkus> lol
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[11:37:51] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
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[11:43:59] <crutchy> hi subsentient
[11:44:09] <Subsentient> hi crutchy
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[12:27:07] * NCommander attachs arti with a bunch of perfectly square blocks
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[12:43:03] <MrBluze> hello fellow soybeans
[12:46:23] * aqu4 pokes MrBluze
[12:46:55] <crutchy> hi mrbluze,subsentient,aqu4,bytram,etc :-P
[12:47:12] * aqu4 pokes crutchy
[12:47:43] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[12:47:53] <MrBluze> hello bottie
[12:47:58] * aqu4 pokes MrBluze
[12:48:49] <Subsentient> crutchy: you need to learn autocomplete
[12:49:00] <crutchy> autocomplete?
[12:49:17] <Subsentient> crutchy: Subs<TAB>
[12:49:29] <MrBluze> cr <tab> utchy
[12:49:30] <crutchy> :-D
[12:49:45] <crutchy> WOOOOOW!!!!
[12:50:10] <Subsentient> crutchy: The undying glory, right?
[12:50:28] <crutchy> fuck that... lazy is good
[12:50:32] <crutchy> :-)
[12:51:45] <crutchy> here i was yesterday looking for a client where i could click a nick to put "nick: " into the text box
[12:51:57] <Subsentient> lol\
[12:52:04] <crutchy> everything's easy when you know how eh
[12:52:10] <Subsentient> crutchy: So you write bots but didn't use autocomplete lol
[12:52:27] <crutchy> i didn't use irc till soylent came along
[12:52:32] <Subsentient> ahh
[12:52:48] <crutchy> the bot thing is just natural progression :-P
[12:52:54] <Subsentient> well yeah autocomplete is on pretty much every IRC client ever.
[12:53:07] <crutchy> mkay it's gooood
[12:53:44] <crutchy> all i have to do now is remember it's there
[12:54:40] <Subsentient> sometimes I accidentally hit autocomplete to complete a word that's not a nick and I'm disappointed for a split second when it doesn't work
[12:55:49] * crutchy is trying to find what chars are allowed in nicks from the rfc
[12:56:42] <Subsentient> As a safe bet I suggest alphabetical, numbers but not as the first character, `, _, |, [], {}, etc
[12:56:47] Subsentient is now known as {
[12:56:53] <{> Hurr
[12:56:57] { is now known as `
[12:57:01] <`> Hurr derp derp
[12:57:05] <crutchy> lol
[12:57:14] <MrBluze> hmm.. ukrainian soldiers in tanks arrive at kramatorsk, climb out and walk among the crowd, some replacing the flags on their vehicles with russian flags
[12:57:29] <crutchy> pwnage
[12:57:35] <SirFinkus> yes
[12:58:05] <crutchy> russr
[12:58:36] <`> $burrito Putin
[12:58:36] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Putin
[12:58:47] * crutchy hides
[12:59:07] ` is now known as Subsentient
[12:59:08] * crutchy waits for putin to throw a grizzly bear at aqu4
[12:59:41] <MrBluze> well putin didnt make the army defect
[12:59:52] <crutchy> no
[12:59:52] * aqu4 Coats Putin in yellow mustard and grape jelly
[12:59:57] <crutchy> ew
[12:59:57] <MrBluze> maybe they are not as stupid as people think
[13:00:04] <SirFinkus> they guys in Sloviansk were doing donuts earlier
[13:00:10] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[13:00:18] <SirFinkus> then taking pictures with kinds and stuff
[13:00:25] <MrBluze> yep
[13:00:47] <MrBluze> this is what happens when the US loses the moral high ground
[13:01:01] <crutchy> *dons tinfoil* the whole thing is probably an issue in the west, and maybe the 'riots' are filmed in hollywood
[13:01:29] <crutchy> maybe in the real ukraine everything in business as usual, albeit russian business :-P
[13:01:40] <MrBluze> .. the response of russians in russia is very patriotic towards their leadership
[13:01:43] <MrBluze> in generral
[13:02:07] <MrBluze> yeah i havent caught up with any ukrainians to find that out crutchy
[13:02:10] <crutchy> putin makes obama look like a blubbering idiot
[13:02:34] <crutchy> moreso than usual
[13:02:46] <MrBluze> it's not hard to do .. you just have to speak intelligibly
[13:02:51] <crutchy> lol
[13:03:07] * Subsentient summons the gerbils
[13:03:16] <Subsentient> Fly my pretties!
[13:04:14] * Subsentient recalls the gerbils
[13:04:21] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:05:04] * Subsentient refuses to click a google link
[13:05:23] <crutchy> it's a youtube link :-P
[13:05:35] <Subsentient> crutchy: YouTube is owned by Google
[13:06:15] <Subsentient> Anyone else using ancient hardware?
[13:06:18] <crutchy> they're all owned by mysterious nobody's, just like intel, amd, nvidia, etc
[13:06:55] <Subsentient> I'm talking on a PPC 32-bit eMac G4 1Ghz 512MB of RAM with an 80GB HDD and Debian Testing PPC
[13:07:12] <crutchy> actually they're probably largely owned by people like yourself, through institutions like hedge funds
[13:07:27] <MrBluze> owned / controlled are not the same
[13:07:28] <crutchy> that invest your superannuation
[13:07:30] <Subsentient> crutchy: I should restate that.
[13:07:41] <Subsentient> They are CONTROLLED by Google.
[13:07:48] <Subsentient> You need a Google account to use YouTube.
[13:08:52] <MrBluze> ..
[13:09:10] <Subsentient> MrBluze++
[13:09:10] <deadbeef> karma - mrbluze: 13
[13:09:11] <MrBluze> the best approach is to seed the world with useless crap information
[13:09:30] <crutchy> like youtube :-P
[13:09:38] <Subsentient> crutchy++
[13:09:38] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 50
[13:09:49] <MrBluze> .. like youtube stuff about kittens and crap
[13:09:53] <crutchy> lol
[13:09:53] <Subsentient> MrBluze++
[13:09:53] <deadbeef> karma - mrbluze: 14
[13:10:08] <MrBluze> and save your real activity for tails or equivalent
[13:10:37] <crutchy> i have a kind of tail on my screen :-P
[13:10:44] <crutchy> well, not actually using tail
[13:10:57] <crutchy> but it looks a bit like a tail
[13:10:58] <MrBluze> lol
[13:11:11] <MrBluze> o.o______,
[13:12:01] <Subsentient> <o[====]---
[13:12:12] * Subsentient can't add an ear
[13:13:32] <crutchy> ^ = ear?
[13:14:05] <crutchy> Subsentient: s/o/^o^/
[13:14:41] <Subsentient> <o^[====]---
[13:14:56] <Subsentient> | |
[13:14:57] <Subsentient> oops
[13:14:59] <Subsentient> <o^[====]---
[13:15:06] <Subsentient> | |
[13:15:08] <Subsentient> <o^[====]---
[13:15:11] <Subsentient> | |
[13:15:15] <Subsentient> there
[13:15:16] <crutchy> hmm can a bot privmsg a channel that it hasn't joined?
[13:15:29] <Subsentient> No, not a channel
[13:15:36] <crutchy> only nicks
[13:15:40] <Subsentient> yeh
[13:16:05] <Subsentient> <o^[====]---
[13:16:06] <Subsentient> | |
[13:16:21] <Subsentient> Behold, the fuzzy mouse!
[13:16:28] <MrBluze> B~
[13:16:35] <MrBluze> that's not a tail.. it's a bit of toilet paper B~
[13:16:47] <crutchy> ***********
[13:16:48] <crutchy> <o^[====]---
[13:16:51] <crutchy> lol
[13:16:51] <MrBluze> 3~
[13:16:58] <crutchy> excessive furballs
[13:17:11] <Subsentient> That's not fur, that's toilet paper!
[13:17:25] <MrBluze> !quote Subsentient
[13:17:25] <deadbeef> No quotes found with the text 'Subsentient'
[13:17:40] <Subsentient> $sticky save \That's not fur, that's toilet paper!
[13:17:40] <aqu4> Sticky saved. It's sticky ID is "5".
[13:17:47] <Subsentient> $sticky delete 5
[13:17:48] <aqu4> Sticky deleted.
[13:17:52] <Subsentient> $sticky save That's not fur, that's toilet paper!
[13:17:52] <aqu4> Sticky saved. It's sticky ID is "5".
[13:19:33] <MrBluze> yeah that
[13:19:51] <Subsentient> $sticky read 5
[13:19:51] <aqu4> Created by "Subsentient" at 04/16/2014 11:17:52 UTC: That's not fur, that's toilet paper!
[13:20:13] <crutchy> !grab]
[13:20:17] <crutchy> !grab
[13:20:17] <deadbeef> grab <nick>
[13:21:06] <Subsentient> $sticky list
[13:21:06] <aqu4> Total of 3 stickies found
[13:21:07] <aqu4> Sticky ID: 3, created by "Subsentient" at 09:05:03 2014-03-30 UTC
[13:21:08] <aqu4> Sticky ID: 4, created by "Subsentient" at 11:05:00 2014-04-09 UTC
[13:21:09] <aqu4> Sticky ID: 5, created by "Subsentient" at 11:17:52 2014-04-16 UTC
[13:21:09] <aqu4> End of sticky list.
[13:21:43] <crutchy> $sticky fingers
[13:21:43] <aqu4> You need to specify a sub-command and then another argument.
[13:23:21] <crutchy> is there a bot here that can tell the time in a city?
[13:23:32] <Subsentient> $time America/Phoenix
[13:23:33] <aqu4> Wed 2014-04-16 04:23:32 AM America/Phoenix
[13:23:43] <crutchy> awesome
[13:23:52] <Subsentient> The Windows build can't do that.
[13:24:01] <crutchy> ahh that's why it's dead in here :-P
[13:24:09] <crutchy> murican's are sleeping
[13:24:17] <Subsentient> $time America/Detroit
[13:24:17] <aqu4> Wed 2014-04-16 07:24:17 AM America/Detroit
[13:24:19] <crutchy> s/'//
[13:24:19] <SedBot> <crutchy> muricans are sleeping
[13:24:29] <Subsentient> $time America/New_York
[13:24:29] <aqu4> Wed 2014-04-16 07:24:29 AM America/New_York
[13:24:41] <Subsentient> $time America/Los_Angeles
[13:24:41] <aqu4> Wed 2014-04-16 04:24:41 AM America/Los_Angeles
[13:25:12] <crutchy> muricans are beginning to wake but not yet had sufficient coffee to make sensible conversation companions?
[13:25:22] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yep
[13:25:46] <Subsentient> s/sensible/intelligible/
[13:26:07] <MrBluze> murkins?
[13:26:20] <Subsentient> MrBluze: He's insulting my country.
[13:26:25] <crutchy> lol
[13:26:38] <MrBluze> s/coffee/education/
[13:26:45] <crutchy> lol
[13:26:45] <Subsentient> $burrito MrBluze
[13:26:45] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at MrBluze
[13:26:53] * MrBluze grins
[13:26:58] <Subsentient> MrBluze: What the hell do you expect when college costs $100,000?
[13:27:05] <crutchy> they have to pay the chinese to provide it :-P
[13:27:18] <MrBluze> Subsentient: i totally agree
[13:27:19] <crutchy> s/pay/borrow from/
[13:27:19] <SedBot> <crutchy> they have to borrow from the chinese to provide it :-P
[13:27:25] <MrBluze> you guys need a revolution
[13:27:42] <Subsentient> I'm having to teach myself assembly and I am self taught in C, because College was out of my reach.
[13:27:43] <MrBluze> kick the parasitic scum off your backs
[13:28:01] <MrBluze> like u, also self taught in all those, subs
[13:28:05] <crutchy> the 70's taught us that for revolution you need pot.... lots of pot
[13:28:22] <Subsentient> MrBluze: People here are afraid that the universe will implode if the government from the USA ever changes via any means other than "democracy"
[13:28:36] <Subsentient> They feel that the American government needs to be a static-const variable.
[13:29:38] <Subsentient> Frankly I am worried about that too
[13:29:50] <Subsentient> This is not Crimea. There would be mass hysteria.
[13:29:57] <crutchy> wtf is democracy anyway, other than "majority rules, minorities drool"
[13:30:06] <MrBluze> if the USA is a business, it's bankrupt
[13:30:07] <Subsentient> crutchy: Better than minority rules
[13:30:08] <MrBluze> insolvent
[13:30:23] <MrBluze> the creditors don't respect democracy
[13:30:37] <MrBluze> .. a company doesnt vote on what the bank will do with it when it takes it over
[13:30:58] <MrBluze> and in any case the USA is minority rules
[13:31:05] <crutchy> isn't that kinda thing in a business plan?
[13:31:05] <Subsentient> I suppose
[13:31:40] <crutchy> hmm probably not, or they don't have to honor it
[13:32:06] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Pinpointing when Strep Became a Flesheater - http://sylnt.us - Take-my-tonsils-Please
[13:32:45] <crutchy> fuck... don't mean to alarm anyone, but if you eat enough chilli chips, your mouth may begin to hurt!
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[13:33:19] <SirFinkus> salt and vinegar are worse
[13:33:33] <MrBluze> i'm all for democracy but it has to be real
[13:33:49] <Subsentient> yeah
[13:33:56] <Subsentient> And fuck all this megacorp shit
[13:34:01] <Subsentient> I want real socialism.
[13:34:13] <Subsentient> Pure socialism with digital democracy.
[13:34:19] <Subsentient> Money is evil.
[13:34:37] <crutchy> socialism where you own nothing and have no personal freedoms or liberties?
[13:34:45] <Subsentient> crutchy: That's communism
[13:34:51] <crutchy> same diff
[13:35:01] <MrBluze> ownership needs to be distributed
[13:35:12] <crutchy> ^capitalism
[13:35:13] <Subsentient> Socialism, my view, is government managed resource-based economy, where private property is still held sacred
[13:35:14] <MrBluze> centralizaion is bad
[13:35:27] <Subsentient> MrBluze: I believe in a horizontal government
[13:35:29] <MrBluze> crutchy: .. no, capitalism leads to monopoly
[13:35:35] <Subsentient> MrBluze++
[13:35:35] <deadbeef> karma - mrbluze: 15
[13:35:35] <MrBluze> thats the same as socialism
[13:36:05] <Subsentient> MrBluze: A horizontal government has more distributed and less-centralized power.
[13:36:12] <crutchy> government managed resource-based economy, where private property is still held sacred <= history shows that those two are mutually exclusive
[13:36:15] <Subsentient> Many small organizations and departments vs some large ones
[13:36:25] <Subsentient> crutchy: Time to rewrite history.
[13:36:34] <crutchy> you can try, but history repeats
[13:36:46] <Subsentient> People going down two ends of extreme in the name of ideology and not really focusing ONLY on "what will make life suck less"
[13:37:18] <Subsentient> For example, I am socially conservative, but I consider myself a "compassionate conservative".
[13:37:27] <Subsentient> I am also very, very hard left economically.
[13:37:49] <MrBluze> history rhymes
[13:37:50] <Subsentient> If I had just signed up for the Republican or Democratic party, I'd be further away from my view of truth
[13:37:56] <crutchy> keynesianism is what gave you so much debt
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[13:38:16] <crutchy> republicrats
[13:38:21] <MrBluze> privately owned central banks is what causes it, crutchy
[13:38:22] <Subsentient> crutchy: When the government does not use currency internally, much of that problem instantly vanishes
[13:38:37] <crutchy> distribution of wealth is what caused it
[13:38:46] <Subsentient> Yeah, or lack thereof
[13:38:56] <crutchy> lack?
[13:39:01] <MrBluze> Subsentient: then we are both distributionists?
[13:39:28] <crutchy> if you want socialism, governments must spend
[13:39:30] <crutchy> and spend
[13:39:34] <crutchy> and spend and spen
[13:39:35] <crutchy> d
[13:39:37] <crutchy> :-P
[13:39:42] <crutchy> and who pays?
[13:40:05] <MrBluze> crutchy: your kids pay
[13:40:35] <Subsentient> MrBluze: I suppose
[13:40:51] <Subsentient> I believe that you don't have the right to a massive pile of gold coins.
[13:41:02] <Subsentient> But you have the right to make yourself pretty well off
[13:41:15] <Subsentient> just not when it starts hurting everyone else or depriving them to a notable extent
[13:41:16] <crutchy> who gets to draw the line?
[13:41:16] <MrBluze> people should own the things around them
[13:41:27] <MrBluze> crutchy: the bank
[13:41:31] <Subsentient> crutchy: We'll draw the line at an equivalent "million dollars".
[13:43:52] <Subsentient> nap
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[13:44:19] * MrBluze draws a line on some paper with biro
[13:44:21] <crutchy> private ownership isn't really very socialist
[13:44:24] <MrBluze> there, i drew the line
[13:44:30] <MrBluze> i dont believe in socialism
[13:44:40] <MrBluze> ie: i dont think 'society' should look after the individual
[13:45:10] <MrBluze> families, communities, organizations should do it
[13:45:47] <MrBluze> apply unix philosophy to society .. small people do the work, never delegate their lives and jobs away to a bigger unit
[13:48:13] <crutchy> socialism is all about taking things from 'rich' people and giving them to 'poor' people... which seems great until you run out of rich people... then everyone's poor
[13:48:33] <MrBluze> right
[13:49:02] <MrBluze> but capitalism and socialism are forms of individualist materialism .. and that's what is flawed
[13:49:05] <crutchy> nobody spends anyone else's money as wisely as they spend their own... is best demonstrated by governments
[13:49:28] <MrBluze> exactly.. distributism means people own their own problems
[13:49:46] <MrBluze> and it's up to them to see to it that they band together and look after each other
[13:50:22] <crutchy> i think that's why the left hated ron paul so much... he advocated personal responsibility... which isn't very socialist
[13:50:38] <MrBluze> yes, but he had less chance on the right, which is why he went democrat
[13:50:51] <crutchy> ron paul was republican
[13:51:34] <crutchy> but not 'republicrat'
[13:51:55] <crutchy> he didn't think it was the government's business to dictate personal habits
[13:52:23] <MrBluze> right
[13:52:34] <MrBluze> but distilling the narrative
[13:52:49] <MrBluze> he is pushing the soros empire
[13:53:03] <MrBluze> the others are pushing the .. other banksters' empire
[13:53:16] <crutchy> don't know much about george soros, but i'm pretty sure ron paul had little to do with him
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[13:53:35] <crutchy> i think the 'soros affair' was founded more in propaganda, but not sure
[13:53:47] <MrBluze> it's not that a person has direct dealings with someone
[13:53:56] <MrBluze> but think tanks and so on get their funding from somewhere
[13:54:04] <MrBluze> and these politicians are fed by think tanks
[13:54:16] <crutchy> i guess
[13:54:36] <crutchy> most politicians on both sides are fed by the same corporations
[13:54:40] <MrBluze> the only reason there are great philosophers in history is because someone paid for them to eat and think
[13:54:49] <MrBluze> but if you work, you dont have time to think
[13:54:53] <MrBluze> politicians work too hard to think
[13:55:13] <crutchy> ron paul was a thinker
[13:55:22] <MrBluze> he is intelligent
[13:55:39] <crutchy> well, i'm sure he still is a thinker :-P
[13:56:05] <MrBluze> .. to get a symphony of ideas together, to form an overall view of everything, requires people who just think
[13:56:08] <crutchy> i don't know whether he could have changed the world, but i reckon he could have limited further damage
[13:56:17] <MrBluze> yeah possibly
[13:56:24] <crutchy> his pen alone, as president
[13:56:32] <MrBluze> i think he was a contained problem and never had a chance
[13:56:38] <crutchy> probably
[13:56:44] <crutchy> very powerful enemies
[13:57:22] <crutchy> the internet kinda gave him some clout though
[13:57:34] <crutchy> that's where much of his message was spread
[13:57:47] <crutchy> youtube took down many a ron paul video
[13:57:55] <crutchy> but they kept sprouting like weeds
[13:58:09] <SirFinkus> I have a game on youtube
[13:58:09] <MrBluze> yes
[13:58:16] <SirFinkus> it's like the kevin bacon game
[13:58:29] <crutchy> kevin bacon?
[13:58:38] <SirFinkus> go to a random video and see how many steps it takes clicking suggested video until you get to a ron paul one
[13:58:39] <crutchy> you mean that guy off apollo 13?
[13:58:45] <crutchy> lol
[13:58:54] <SirFinkus> it's a game, you go to a random page on wikipedia and try to get to kevin bacon
[13:59:04] <SirFinkus> some people do it with hitler
[13:59:34] <crutchy> i tend to just search for ron paul, or peter schiff
[14:00:29] <crutchy> its like the US government listens to what they say and go do whatever they can to make their predictions come true
[14:01:24] <MrBluze> lol
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[14:07:01] <Subsentient> Fuck, I'm gonna cry
[14:07:32] <MrBluze> wassup
[14:07:34] <Subsentient> I can't sleep and I've been exhausted for weeks
[14:07:37] <MrBluze> oh
[14:07:42] <Subsentient> I wake up tired live tired and go to bed tired
[14:07:45] <Subsentient> I am too tired to code
[14:07:46] <MrBluze> man, i could set up shop here
[14:07:49] <MrBluze> everyone is an insomniac
[14:08:17] <MrBluze> without going into details:
[14:08:24] <MrBluze> no coffee for 8 hours before scheduled sleep time
[14:08:43] <MrBluze> exercise daily.. eg: high intensity training for a few min a day
[14:09:01] <MrBluze> don't eat if you want to stay awake .. light meals during the day
[14:09:43] <MrBluze> wake to light/sound and movement - ie: bright lights on, do your morning exericses, then go and have a coffee
[14:10:01] <MrBluze> those are the strongest ways to reset and re-establish your circadian rhythm
[14:10:34] <Subsentient> MrBluze: I am a night owl
[14:10:49] <Subsentient> I can't work at all in the day because everyone wants something
[14:12:33] <MrBluze> i easily fall into sleep problems too
[14:12:42] <MrBluze> i tend to over-borrow on sleep debt and repay it when forced
[14:12:55] <Subsentient> I got a thyroid issue or something
[14:13:00] <Subsentient> or it could be partly psych
[14:13:03] <MrBluze> u checked it?
[14:13:09] <Subsentient> because I can play demanding RTS games usually
[14:13:27] <Subsentient> they gave me pills for thyroid onc ebut checked it again later and nothing was wrong
[14:13:30] <Subsentient> pills made itworse
[14:13:46] <MrBluze> in most geeks its just the fact they are staring at a bright screen at night when it's supposed to be dark
[14:13:53] * xlefay notes he has gunnars
[14:14:01] <xlefay> they help a *lot*
[14:14:01] <MrBluze> and they dont exericse properly, they get too much caffeine later in the day
[14:14:05] <Subsentient> And if I just think about coding, I am hit with this unreal WAVE of exhaustion
[14:14:13] <Subsentient> It's physical
[14:14:24] <Subsentient> A real undead wave of tired, exhausted, uselessness
[14:14:55] <xlefay> Gunnars are glasses, they'll lower strain on your eyes, consider buying a pair; least that solves one thing
[14:15:33] <Subsentient> ahh
[14:15:50] <MrBluze> this was awesome: http://www.youtube.com
[14:16:10] * Subsentient refuses to click evilly google link
[14:16:25] <MrBluze> u can probably find it elsewhere
[14:16:28] <MrBluze> 'dark side of the rainbow'
[14:19:25] <MrBluze> dark side of the moon soundtrack (LP) is in perfect sync with the original wizard of oz
[14:21:36] <MrBluze> .. it really does sync well
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[14:44:11] * MrBluze is blown away by the youtube clip
[14:44:42] <MrBluze> the movie goes into technicolor when the money track comes on
[14:47:08] <SirFinkus> do I need to be on LSD for this to be mind blowing?
[14:47:28] <MrBluze> probably
[14:47:35] <MrBluze> ketamine will do the trick
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[15:03:12] <MrBluze> gnite ppl
[15:15:58] <crutchy> night mrbluze
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[15:30:01] Blackmoore|AFK is now known as Blackmoore
[15:30:08] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:41:45] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - New Moon may be Forming in Saturn's Rings - http://sylnt.us - Living-on-the-Edge
[15:44:42] <TK> morning
[15:44:56] <TK> How much longer until the linuxadvocates.com spambot gets banned?
[15:46:01] <Blackmoore> yeah. I asked that about 10 minutes after they started
[15:46:30] <Blackmoore> f'ing annoying.
[15:47:01] <TK> Is there a way to ban or shadow ban a post based on its content?
[15:47:12] <paulej72> TK that seems to be a real person with incredibly poor judgement from what I can gather from the logs. Also the person has been on at least 12 or so ip address.
[15:47:23] <TK> If $messagetext == $copypast
[15:47:30] <TK> $copypasta
[15:47:33] <Subsentient> That's pathetic.
[15:47:37] <Subsentient> What is the nick?
[15:47:40] <TK> AC
[15:47:42] <TK> of course
[15:47:50] <Subsentient> lol
[15:48:06] <paulej72> right now we only have the ban hammer, but we have been thingking about adding a spambot like functionality to the lameness filters
[15:48:37] <TK> +paulej72: As far as I can tell, the message is always the same, what's the clue that's he's a real boy?
[15:48:59] <paulej72> Subsentient: I am not comfortable giving that info out, but it looks like this user posts everything as AC but is logged in so he can moderate
[15:49:26] <TK> Well he goes by Dieter T. Schmitz
[15:49:38] <TK> By his own admission
[15:50:42] <xlefay> That could be intended to give the real Dieter T. Schmitz a bad name of course
[15:51:06] <paulej72> the IP has both real posts and the spam ones. All of them are fairly trollish.
[15:52:03] <Blackmoore> well, if it could filter the message (since the Ip keeps changing) that would be best.
[15:52:32] <Blackmoore> i dont expect that to be practical.
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[15:55:45] <TK> @xlefay: noted
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[15:56:12] <TK> Could it be done with a greasemonkey script?
[15:56:21] <xlefay> Only client side sure
[15:56:25] <xlefay> I'd just mod his ass down
[15:56:39] <TK> already done, but I browse at -1
[15:56:54] <TK> Although I have been reconsidering lately
[15:59:31] <xlefay> same here
[16:00:12] <TK> A web search for "Dieter T. Schmitz linux" gives 8/10 of the top results as comments on slashdot from the same bot/real person with incredibly poor judgement
[16:01:37] <paulej72> the use attached to the same ip as the ac posts has this as his email address: Poop@butt.org
[16:01:55] <TK> compelling
[16:02:28] <TK> Has the user ever posted anything constructive?
[16:03:18] <paulej72> not that I can tell mostly trollish
[16:05:01] <paulej72> he has a karma of 24 from mostly posting his crap as AC
[16:05:31] <TK> He's still positive?
[16:06:38] <TK> I don't want you to think I'm telling you to ban someone, but you should ban someone.
[16:09:21] <paulej72> that decision needs to come from NCommander. He has a fairly large tolerance for trolls and has very strong opinions about free speech.
[16:10:41] <xlefay> It's probably not my place but I agree entirely with TK lol
[16:11:33] <Blackmoore> see; that's why I'm more for a targeted approach at the message. I'm ok with trolls, I'm not ok with spam.
[16:11:49] <xlefay> ^^^^^
[16:12:56] <TK> +paulj72: I see a benefit in being lenient on trolls for such a small website, but as Blackmoore says, spam is not ok. It gets out of hand quick
[16:13:57] <TK> Is there a way to shadow ban in slashcode?
[16:14:05] <paulej72> right now I see no new spam from this user. If someone can point some new spam out, I will take that into concideration
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[16:16:16] <paulej72> there is a setting for spammer in the ACLs, but I do not know what it does.
[16:16:46] <xlefay> Normally I'd recommend TIAS but.. it's slash so best not to touch
[16:16:50] <Subsentient> Trolls are people too!
[16:16:54] <Subsentient> Troll's rights!
[16:17:11] <Subsentient> s/Troll's/Trolls'
[16:17:12] * SedBot tosses a / to Sabsyntent
[16:17:14] <Subsentient> s/Troll's/Trolls'/
[16:17:14] <SedBot> <Sibsontant> Trolls' rights!
[16:17:16] <Blackmoore> Everyone has a Little troll in them.
[16:17:17] <xlefay> Subsentient, bacon lovers are people too and yet you throw burrito's at them all the time too!!
[16:17:25] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[16:17:26] <deadbeef> karma - bacon: 221
[16:17:29] <xlefay> Bacon' loving' rights :P
[16:17:38] <Subsentient> xlefay: By eating bacon they become inhuman, so no, they aren't people.
[16:17:45] <paulej72> bacon_burrito++
[16:17:45] <deadbeef> karma - bacon_burrito: 1
[16:17:58] <xlefay> That's a somewhat harsh way of looking at it
[16:18:20] <xlefay> you just said 90% of the population isn't human, even though you're right, you're reasons are faulty!
[16:18:24] * aqu4 dumps a bucket of slimey, warm, raw, 1 month old bacon on xlefay
[16:18:33] <xlefay> ^ that gets old, real quick
[16:18:40] <Subsentient> xlefay: They aren't human.
[16:18:52] <Subsentient> lol
[16:19:09] <xlefay> le sigh
[16:19:25] <Subsentient> I'm forgetting something
[16:19:29] <Subsentient> bacon_burrito--
[16:19:29] <deadbeef> karma - bacon_burrito: 0
[16:19:32] <Subsentient> there.
[16:19:53] <xlefay> I suggest we all revolve against Subsentient's inhumane actions against bacon.
[16:20:19] <Subsentient> xlefay: lol, feel free to revolve all you want, but you'll get dizzy
[16:20:46] <xlefay> I was actually kinda hoping these guys would help me out but I suppose they're too busy eating bacon. Oh well.
[16:20:51] * xlefay goes to join them
[16:20:59] * Subsentient arms the burrito cannon
[16:21:06] <Blackmoore> um.. I think I'll stick to bacon from pigs. Human Bacon implys it came from humans
[16:21:15] <Blackmoore> HUmane
[16:21:15] <Subsentient> Blackmoore: It does.
[16:21:33] <Subsentient> Those strips in your fridge are your Aunt Milga.
[16:21:44] <TK> Why else do you think we'
[16:21:50] <TK> 've been making americans fatter
[16:21:50] <Blackmoore> well, I guess you figure me out. *hangs head in shame*
[16:22:00] <Subsentient> TK: rofl
[16:22:27] <TK> and I do mean *we*, soylent readers unite! Claim your birthright!
[16:22:34] <xlefay> BaconNews!
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[16:22:46] <Subsentient> TK: Hmm, bacon == soylent green?
[16:22:50] <TK> BaconNews = SoylentNews
[16:22:50] <xlefay> oh hi Konomi
[16:22:58] <xlefay> TK, http://baconnews.org
[16:22:59] <Blackmoore> "love people, Make them into tasty food" http://www.penzeys.com
[16:23:00] <Konomi> hey
[16:23:12] <xlefay> how's you?
[16:23:56] <TK> @xlefay: Excellent, our plans are coming to fruition
[16:24:08] <Subsentient> xlefay: Seeing that domain redirect ruined my day.
[16:24:19] <xlefay> TK, don't forget, dailybacon.org
[16:24:31] <xlefay> Subsentient, that's what you get for hating bacon
[16:24:43] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay
[16:24:43] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay
[16:24:54] <xlefay> You have no-one but yourself to blame :P
[16:25:01] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay
[16:25:01] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay
[16:25:01] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay
[16:25:02] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay
[16:25:24] <Subsentient> But seriously now, that's going to ruin this site for me if it gets that name
[16:25:37] <TK> burritonews?
[16:25:39] <xlefay> I don't think anyone besides maybe Kobach would consider voting for it
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[16:25:56] <Subsentient> xlefay: I hope you're right
[16:26:08] <Subsentient> But my mantra is "people are stupid, all of them, including me"
[16:26:29] <xlefay> Subsentient, the bacon stuff.. it's all part of the "IRC culture" here and it's only a small bit, I don't think we would actually consider using it for the permanent site name
[16:26:40] <xlefay> I sure as hell wouldn't vote for it, then again, I'm not taking part in the vote.
[16:26:46] <Subsentient> xlefay: Ah
[16:26:52] <Subsentient> I'll be voting for the current name.
[16:27:10] <xlefay> Oh come on..
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[16:27:24] <xlefay> The current name just sucks
[16:27:30] <xlefay> It's horrible even
[16:27:37] <Blackmoore> I want to see the options before i commit. I kinda LIKE Soylent. but i would like a better option.
[16:27:42] * xlefay notes he'd take baconnews over it any day
[16:27:43] <Subsentient> xlefay: Holy shit
[16:27:46] <Subsentient> bitwise news!
[16:27:56] <Blackmoore> mm.. i like that
[16:27:57] <Teckla> nybblenews?
[16:28:00] <xlefay> Subsentient, now, that one is actually pretty cool
[16:28:13] <xlefay> Please do submit it ;-)
[16:28:17] <Subsentient> xlefay: Ok
[16:28:38] <xlefay> Teckla, kinda reminds me of something
[16:28:53] * xlefay will tactfully not say what it reminds him of
[16:30:59] * xlefay wonders if ionews is in the list
[16:31:55] <crutchy> nipplenews?
[16:32:35] <xlefay> hmm, I think we'd be treading dangerous ground then :P
[16:33:27] * Teckla chuckles.
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[16:35:14] <Blackmoore> http://swagelok.com
[16:35:38] <Woods> Hello everyone. I am interested in helping SN in the capacity of being an editor. Does anyone know if such a thing is needed currently?
[16:39:41] <Blackmoore> Woods: if you actually saw any of my submissions, you might regret that :P
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[16:40:00] <Konomi> they decided I didn't need it some more apparently
[16:41:03] <paulej72> ban hammer is effectivly broken as all IPID are now the same due to the load balancer
[16:41:32] <Woods> Blackmoore: Challenge accepted.
[16:42:06] * Subsentient just had a hallucination of the appropriate rage comic character when he read that
[16:42:07] <paulej72> Woods: editors are always needed and welcome.
[16:42:38] * Subsentient busts up and starts laughing like a madman
[16:42:42] <Subsentient> paulej72:
[16:43:29] <Blackmoore> Woods: ok, Hacker damands Bacon! http://arstechnica.com
[16:43:31] <paulej72> Woods: go to #editorial and let them know you want to help. There may be no one arrond now, but check back later as they are in and out at differnent times.
[16:43:49] <Woods> Paulej72: Awesome, thanks.
[16:44:52] * xlefay sighs
[16:45:07] <paulej72> Woods: LaminatorX is the team leader for the eds, but he has not been on IRC much lately. n1 and janarinok are usually here sometime during the day
[16:45:44] <paulej72> xlefay: did my message cause you sigh
[16:46:07] <xlefay> The one about the fucking load balancer
[16:46:17] <paulej72> yes that is the one
[16:46:20] <xlefay> yeah
[16:46:45] <xlefay> _this_ is why we had it on dev first.. and no-one including me cared to check for that specific issue..
[16:47:56] <Woods> Paulej72: I am here for another 7 hours, and I am very patient.
[16:47:57] <xlefay> Then again, we didn't even discuss the things that could potentially break. :~/
[16:48:03] <paulej72> we did not really do any specific testing on dev for the load balancer. All we did was make sure it works with one load balanced server not even multiples
[16:48:06] <Blackmoore> xlefay: you can't cover everything all the time. hell not one of you had touched the slashcode before this.
[16:48:31] <Blackmoore> and now look - you can actually get it to do things.
[16:48:41] <xlefay> Blackmoore, I'm not a slash dev though. I'm just a sysop and we should have covered this, like paulej72 said, all we did was point it at dev and that was it
[16:49:38] * xlefay notes he thinks most of us are ready for a real vacation sometime soon
[16:49:49] <paulej72> NCommander was impatient when the site went down the other day due to an issue that multiple front ends may have solved
[16:50:26] <xlefay> yeah and none of us objected so we're equally as guilty, we should put procedures in place to prevent this kinda shit in the future
[16:50:36] <paulej72> Next trip NCommander goes on someone needs to conficate all of his electronic devices
[16:50:44] <xlefay> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[16:51:34] <xlefay> Blackmoore, didn't mean to come off rude though, just frustrated
[16:51:50] <xlefay> Woods, and will you look at that, LamX's on IRC right now!
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[16:52:18] <Blackmoore> xlefay: nah - i get it.
[16:52:25] <paulej72> hola LaminatorX
[16:52:32] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[16:52:51] <paulej72> LaminatorX: Woods wants to be an editor
[16:53:30] <LaminatorX> Tell me more, Woods.
[16:53:38] <Blackmoore> xlefay: yeah - you guys ought to schedule some down time for each of ya - the entire team has been pushing really hard since the start.
[16:54:27] <xlefay> Blackmoore, you have no idea just how true that is
[16:54:42] <xlefay> talking about down time, how was yours paulej72 ?
[16:55:48] <paulej72> It was nice, but I spent it doing other chores, picking up stick in my yard and getting the lawn tractor ready for the mowing season.
[16:56:35] <paulej72> So each night I was dog tired and did not have the energy to check in here.
[16:57:55] <xlefay> not so much downtime then
[16:58:46] * xlefay sighs @ stupid localized messages
[17:00:22] <Blackmoore> xlefay: I don't want to see the team burn out.
[17:00:27] <paulej72> not much down time, but a nice change of pace
[17:22:00] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - "Lost" Atari Landfill to be Excavated - http://sylnt.us - It-belongs-in-a-museum!
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[17:47:20] <TK> Regarding the spammer...
[17:47:25] <TK> His four most recent comments: http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org http://soylentnews.org
[17:47:31] <TK> The first paragraph is changed a little every time, but always includes "money doesn't grow on trees", but that's the only thing that changes, the last six lines are always the same.
[17:48:00] <TK> Posting in the afternoon my time (CST)
[17:51:14] <Konomi> I read all this and think "Can't tell if actually spamming or possible crazy right wing shill"
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[17:53:35] <jdccdevel> Is anyone else having problems posting to the site as AC? (i.e. when not logged in?)
[17:55:57] <jdccdevel> I just tried (not realizing I wasn't logged in), and it's telling me the account (Anonymous Coward) has exceeded the maximum number of comments It's allowed to post.
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[18:02:23] <Blackmoore> jdccdevel: they are trying to deal with a guy who is sending spam.
[18:03:00] <Cyprus> any progress on that?
[18:03:25] <TK> I can't help but laugh at AC hitting the post limit
[18:07:02] <jdccdevel> Blackmoore: Let me guess.. the guy is posting using a open proxy ? ;-)
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[18:08:28] <Blackmoore> worse. begging for cash.
[18:08:53] <Konomi> eww really?
[18:09:57] <jdccdevel> Wow. That's low.
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[18:11:27] <jdccdevel> Well... If it's intentional, maybe there should be a mention in the error message? Otherwise, I'm sure some other people will think it's a bug too.
[18:11:38] <Konomi> kill it with fire +.+
[18:22:53] <TK> He's doing it on the other site too
[18:23:31] <TK> $SearchEngineUsedAsAVerb "Dieter T. Schmitz linux" and those comments pop up
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[18:30:18] <Konomi> "the other site" like the black sheep of the family hush hush hehe
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[18:31:24] <TK> I consider it more of a "He Who Must Not Be Named"
[18:31:38] <Konomi> don't say the name into the mirror three times?
[18:32:09] <TK> Or dice will change your desktop to a beta interface!
[18:32:28] <Konomi> beta gets super imposed on the back of your eyeball ~
[18:32:46] <weeds> from the linuxadvo site: "Linux Advocates will be chartered to operate as a nonprofit concern. It is our primary goal to offer original reporting and quality writing from community insiders, and to interpret the news from a Linux perspective. "
[18:34:30] <weeds> "will be"?
[18:34:55] <Konomi> linus reviews every one of them
[18:42:01] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Micro-Hydro Power - http://sylnt.us - Once-more,-with-graphine!
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[19:07:55] <drussell> Moderation is broken for me right now... Is this a known problem?
[19:12:33] <TK> moderation followed by no discernable change on the page aside from the "Moderating..."?
[19:12:50] <drussell> Yes, and it says I still have 10 mod points
[19:13:02] <TK> Yeah, I've got that too
[19:13:15] <TK> First time I've tried moderating today
[19:13:23] <TK> Despite having them for several hours
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[19:13:56] <drussell> I had to re-login this morning, so I figured someone has been working on something... Then I got mod points and they don't work :)
[19:14:07] <drussell> Something has apparently gone horribly awry :)
[19:25:23] <mrcoolbp> TK Confirmed over here as well
[19:26:09] <drussell> Yes, so I know it's not just me :) I had to re-log in so tried using https and thought it might be that but logged in again normally and it's still borked
[19:36:03] <mrcoolbp> drussell: thanks for the heads up, we'll get it fixed soon
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[20:51:13] <neagix> NCommander: any luck with the proxy code?
[20:51:28] <mrcoolbp> he's AFK right now
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[21:50:11] <jdccdevel> mrcoolp: I just confirmed I'm also having the moderation issue. if that helps any.
[21:50:45] <mrcoolbp> thanks, we are already working on a fix
[22:04:26] <paulej72> jdccdevel: we put the site behind a load balancer last night, and it gave everyone the same ipaddress. You cant moderate a post from the same subnet (to prevent gaming the system)
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[22:27:55] <jdccdevel> paulej72: Ah! That makes sense. I see now that it's already on the front page, under "Site News". Good to see it there, and I'll know to look there for updates in the future.
[22:28:42] <paulej72> if you log in without ssl, the site will work properly now. ssl is still broken at the moment
[22:32:19] <jdccdevel> paulej72: Thanks. I can confirm that moderation is working for me now.
[22:43:03] <LaminatorX> Catch ya later gang. Good luck.
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[23:45:33] <Blackmoore> ?!?! you accepted that? i fulley expected a rejection lol
[23:49:58] <chromas> Slow times at soylent high
[23:51:05] <Cyprus> Blackmoore: beware, no matter how fluff your submission, they may post it =P
[23:53:09] <Blackmoore> apparently. well I do want bacon.
[23:53:26] <Blackmoore> thick cut, and apple smoked would be nice.
[23:56:02] <mrcoolbp> lol
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