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[05:24:16] <xlefay> and logs have resumed, sorry about that prospectacle
[05:24:40] <prospectacle> No problem at all, just curious.
[05:24:46] <prospectacle> hope everything is good with you xlefay
[05:24:55] <prospectacle> did they plug your leaking blood vessels?
[05:26:35] <xlefay> The nosebleed has stopped but the docs informed me that they may happen more often.
[05:27:21] <xlefay> I gotta go, be back later. Take care.
[05:27:30] <prospectacle> Sorry to hear it. Ok catch you later.
[05:28:11] <xlefay> also, ps: one or two members of the staff have returned an e-mail regarding the bounty idea.. I'm guessing nobody thought it worth to reply.
[05:28:26] <prospectacle> fair enough. Thanks for floating it anyway
[05:28:44] <xlefay> I'm rather disappointed most of them didn't care to at least comment. I was quite fond of the idea.
[05:29:00] <prospectacle> Maybe it's just low on people's list. Perhaps one day things will be settled enough for it to be worth time looking into.
[05:29:26] <xlefay> Perhaps
[05:29:29] <prospectacle> I looked into alternative crowd-funding sites and couldn't find any with a real following, but I found a few good examples of open-source projects successfully funded on kickstarter. So there's always that option.
[05:29:48] <xlefay> Think bountysource would be the real viable option in this case
[05:30:06] <prospectacle> Yes, it looked ideal for piece-meal type stuff.
[05:30:14] <xlefay> 'piece-meal'?
[05:30:33] <prospectacle> I think that's an expression. Anyway, little pieces, is what I mean
[05:30:51] <xlefay> ah I see
[05:31:09] <prospectacle> As opposed to say, getting a big chunk of money for a monolithic "awesome new fork of slash" project, as you might do with a kickstarter
[05:31:33] <prospectacle> Well again I appreciate you taking it seriously and floating it among staff. Maybe its day will come, but today is not its day, I guess.
[05:31:57] <xlefay> The think I like the most about say, bountysource is, that you're not getting the money before you actually deliver.
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[05:32:35] <prospectacle> xlefay, that's true. Also the competition aspect probably is a force-multiplier. I.e. you might get lots of people working on it, and only have to pay one of them
[05:32:35] <xlefay> Well, keep in mind, the idea itself doesn't require anything from SN so if you felt like starting something like that, feel free
[05:32:47] <prospectacle> xlefay, good point. I'll look into it.
[05:32:48] <unitron> piecemeal, no hyphen Basically means one piece at a time, and not necessariliy in a particular order
[05:32:59] <xlefay> after all, you'd just be asking someone to make/enhance/fix something for a fee and then submit a pull request, that's all
[05:33:00] <prospectacle> thanks unitron
[05:33:08] <unitron> That
[05:33:17] <prospectacle> xlefay, true, If I could get my mind across some part of the code, I could judge entrants for myself.
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[05:33:22] <unitron> That's what us geezers are for.
[05:33:48] <unitron> The internet's version of institutional memory
[05:34:22] * prospectacle decides he may as well learn perl if he's going to keep taking an interest in this site.
[05:34:24] <xlefay> prospectacle, yep, well just so you know - this isn't something the staff has to OK or anything, after all, we are a community project
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[05:35:28] <prospectacle> ok well I'll check it out. I really like the idea of bounty-source in general. So much so that I thought it would be good hypothetically, before I knew it existed in real life.
[05:36:03] <prospectacle> unitron, the keepers of the sacred knowledge
[05:36:04] <xlefay> It's an awesome idea
[05:39:48] <unitron> Well, either that or useless trivia
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[05:42:01] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Emergency UN Security Council Meeting on Ukraine - http://sylnt.us
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[05:44:24] <xlefay> ugh typical .. and the world keeps spinning ;-)
[05:45:16] <MrBluze> xlefay: ?
[05:45:28] <xlefay> MrBluze, the article about the UN security council
[05:45:55] <MrBluze> oh .. well i guess it's a good forum to take off the gauntlet and slap each other across the face before world war 3 kicks off
[05:47:06] <xlefay> yeah
[05:47:14] <MrBluze> i submitted an article a while back (rejected) of an insightful assessment of the ukraine problem .. it's russia's last straw
[05:47:45] <xlefay> hmm, did you post it in your journal by any chance?
[05:47:59] <xlefay> (I don't have a lot of time.. should already have been gone but I'm curious to read it)
[05:50:27] <MrBluze> ill find it
[05:50:27] <MrBluze> ill get it to u later today
[05:50:47] <xlefay> awesome ;-)
[05:50:51] <xlefay> ciao
[05:50:52] <prospectacle> I think it will be cheaper just to ship gas to everyone who normally buys it from russia, than to have a war
[05:50:58] <prospectacle> also war is bad
[05:51:12] <prospectacle> bye xlefay
[05:52:48] <mrcoolbp> later xlefay
[05:53:47] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, btw, fixed webchat - sorry about that. now I'm really gone, ciao!
[05:53:55] <mrcoolbp> np
[05:53:56] <mrcoolbp> later
[05:55:58] <MrBluze> ciao
[05:57:05] <prospectacle> It's great how responsive all the volunteers are to fix things when the go wrong. Very impressive too, since no money or lives depend on it.
[06:00:37] <MrBluze> it's a worthwhile project that's why :)
[06:00:58] <prospectacle> sure is
[06:05:11] <prospectacle> If i had any time or money I would be tempted to contribute more than the odd article or comment. I don't know how you people do it.
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[06:10:09] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: it's tiring, but worth it
[06:10:33] <mrcoolbp> and you have already helped, consider yourself a volunteer, I do.
[06:11:37] <prospectacle> Thanks. Well we're all volunteers I suppose. Commenters included. Even the trolls contribute by creating discussion
[06:12:03] <prospectacle> Gotta get lunch, catch you later...
[06:12:09] <mrcoolbp> later
[06:12:18] <mrcoolbp> see ya soon I hope!
[06:12:40] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: sup?
[06:19:15] <mrcoolbp> eh, actually, I gotta run, hope to catch up later
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[10:00:16] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - LHC Hits the Big Screen in "Particle Fever" - http://sylnt.us - Moving-up-to-a-grapefruit-collider
[10:10:30] * arti :D
[10:16:38] <crutchy> g'oop
[10:16:49] <arti> l'oop
[10:16:59] <arti> saw captain america winter soldier, pretty good
[10:17:18] <arti> man teens are dressing slutty
[10:17:36] <crutchy> is that bad?
[10:17:45] <arti> they know not what they do
[10:18:14] <crutchy> you remember that bit from bad boys 2 when the daughter goes on a date?
[10:18:28] <arti> unfortunately no, i've not seen either of those movies
[10:18:52] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:19:18] <crutchy> i'm gunna do this when my daughter starts dating :-P
[10:21:33] <arti> heh
[10:23:35] <crutchy> i'm not much into movies
[10:23:52] <arti> been awhile since i saw one, usually the marvel ones are pretty good
[10:23:53] <crutchy> or tv
[10:24:27] <crutchy> yeah i seen a few of them cos one of my missus' friends spends all her money on dvds
[10:24:47] <arti> oh those discs you download?
[10:25:00] <crutchy> lol
[10:25:50] <crutchy> she buys bluerays which come with a normal dvd as well and she gives us the normal dvd :-P
[10:26:08] <MrBluze> ohh.. suuuuuuurre
[10:26:18] <MrBluze> hi crutchy, arti
[10:26:25] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[10:30:58] <crutchy> i finished coding a little php function that outputs access query results in a webpage today. felt good to see something work and have a little win.
[10:31:36] <MrBluze> that is pretty good
[10:32:11] <arti> greetings
[10:32:25] <arti> that's cool, progress
[10:32:39] <crutchy> progress is good :-)
[10:32:46] * arti is working on a bit to generate a report which will be emailed
[10:32:51] <crutchy> ooh
[10:33:08] <arti> takes all the questions entered in, all the answers, and all the responses (and matching images) and pokes that into mailchimp
[10:33:18] <crutchy> php or haskell?
[10:33:21] <arti> php
[10:33:28] <crutchy> cool
[10:33:29] <arti> my haskell stuff is currently in recursion land
[10:33:33] <crutchy> lol
[10:33:42] <crutchy> learning is fun
[10:33:44] <arti> the recursion pattern they make use of doesn't feel natural yet
[10:34:01] <arti> and apparently this ... idiom is used frequently
[10:34:37] <arti> http://learnyouahaskell.com
[10:34:40] <crutchy> function i_love_recursion() { i_love_recursion(); }
[10:34:45] <arti> scope out A few more recursive functions
[10:34:48] <arti> the take'
[10:36:01] <crutchy> replicate 3 5 returns [5,5,5] <-- doesn't seem very recursivy
[10:36:10] <arti> heh
[10:36:15] <arti> the curried functions are @.@
[10:36:20] <arti> http://learnyouahaskell.com
[10:36:49] <crutchy> they have weird names for things
[10:36:57] <arti> yeah... i agree, that's half the fun
[10:37:01] <crutchy> or maybe i'm just not a software fag :-P
[10:37:02] * arti has a cheat sheet somewhere on his ipad
[10:37:20] <arti> ultimately it makes a lot of sense, but as with any language you gotta grok their way of doing things
[10:37:31] <crutchy> yeah
[10:38:14] <arti> they use a lot of examples of implementing standard library functions
[10:38:15] <crutchy> oh that explains everything... they have this pic on the page: http://s3.amazonaws.com
[10:38:27] <arti> the pictures are pretty decent :P
[10:38:56] <arti> on the curried functions, scope out the zipWidth'
[10:39:22] * arti is getting used to "take the head, and separate the rest"
[10:39:23] <crutchy> i was thinking why all the weird names... cos there are obviously french artists involved :-P
[10:39:45] * arti enjoys french cusine
[10:39:57] <arti> i'd say california makes better wine though :P
[10:40:13] <crutchy> i've never tried it.. or you were talking about food :-)
[10:40:27] <arti> cuisine
[10:40:34] * arti has no french cousins
[10:40:44] * crutchy drags mind out of gutter
[10:40:52] * arti directs that mind to tumblr
[10:41:07] <crutchy> i was thinking of a different variety of french cuisine ;-)
[10:43:03] <arti> so long, and thanks for all the fish!
[10:43:44] * crutchy drags mind out of gutter... agaib
[10:44:13] <crutchy> agaib++
[10:44:13] <deadbeef> karma - agaib: 1
[10:44:25] <arti> i think you and the missus need to talk... more... about cuisine
[10:45:59] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:46:13] <crutchy> beeewwbs
[10:46:19] <crutchy> bewbs++
[10:46:19] <deadbeef> karma - bewbs: 1
[10:46:33] <arti> sacks of fat
[10:46:57] * arti nails more eggs to the wall
[10:47:11] <arti> this should be on ren and stimpy
[10:48:16] <arti> see this is cool: map (+3) [1,5,3,1,6]
[10:48:24] <arti> returns: [4,8,6,4,9]
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[10:49:07] <crutchy> "game of thrones... it's kind of like a history test... but with dragons... and bewbs"
[10:49:17] * arti doesn't really dig the show
[10:49:27] <arti> i liked it at first, then read all the books (dig the books)
[10:49:32] <arti> and now the show is boring
[10:49:36] <crutchy> i never seen it
[10:49:53] <crutchy> but that guy does awesome voiceovers
[10:51:32] <arti> if you like skin, apparently rome had a bunch in it
[10:51:47] <arti> that's not a big motivator for me
[10:52:18] <arti> same with a bunch of action
[10:52:26] <crutchy> meh... there's enough skin from a google search for 'kitty'
[10:52:42] <crutchy> love how he says "bewbs"
[10:52:46] <crutchy> classic
[10:53:53] <crutchy> map (+3) [1,5,3,1,6] => [4,8,6,4,9] is kinda cool
[10:54:04] <crutchy> very compact
[10:54:11] <crutchy> matlab'ish :-)
[10:54:25] <arti> code and boobs
[10:54:33] * crutchy wonders if matlab can do that
[10:54:42] <crutchy> i mean the numbers thing... not bewbs :-P
[10:55:23] <arti> you can also do it like [x+3 | x <- [1,5,3,1,6]]
[10:58:54] <crutchy> arti: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:59:05] <crutchy> ^^^ me trying to be like matlab :-P
[10:59:11] <arti> sow how are you reading your access stuff? manually parsing the files, or are you using a library
[10:59:31] <arti> did you just whip that up?
[10:59:53] <crutchy> nah its old code that i used to do aircraft lifting lines years ago
[10:59:58] <crutchy> delphi
[11:00:09] <crutchy> i was pretty chuffed about it at the time :-)
[11:00:28] <crutchy> not sure how good it really is but it works quick enough
[11:00:39] <arti> that's one thing thats nice about delphi
[11:01:45] <crutchy> access stuff is through a delphi socket and ado
[11:01:59] <arti> aah that's a cool way to do it
[11:02:11] <crutchy> just standard delphi 7 data access components
[11:02:19] <crutchy> yeah its very quick
[11:02:48] <crutchy> i can run two queries on one webpage quicker than the time it takes to open access :-P
[11:03:33] <crutchy> <db>main:Main Table:Job Description:[Job No]=%%title%%</db>
[11:03:40] <crutchy> that's all i need in the webpage ^^^
[11:04:30] <crutchy> only on a lan... not public facing (security nightmare much)
[11:04:41] * arti nods
[11:05:20] <crutchy> it even spits results out in a nice tabulated format :-)
[11:06:28] <arti> into a table?
[11:06:36] <crutchy> yeah
[11:06:46] <crutchy> it's in a wiki system
[11:06:53] <arti> slap in some js on top of that for sorting
[11:07:16] <crutchy> so in the editor you just put the db tag and when you click the view tab it shows the results
[11:07:33] <crutchy> prolly just sort in the query
[11:09:05] <arti> whats the dataset size?
[11:10:05] <crutchy> few thousand records
[11:10:25] <crutchy> my preference would be to just migrate the whole db backend
[11:12:30] <arti> its probably in access for a reason, familiar or something
[11:12:44] <crutchy> evolution
[11:12:53] <arti> or legacy?
[11:13:13] <crutchy> that too
[11:13:35] <arti> filter (`elem` ['A'..'Z']) "i lauGh At You BecAuse u r aLL the Same"
[11:13:37] <arti> "GAYBALLS"
[11:14:21] <crutchy> haha
[11:15:22] <crutchy> i'm friggin cold
[11:15:32] <arti> it would be sweet if there was a way to verify ssl information via js
[11:17:24] <crutchy> does node.js support it?
[11:17:39] <arti> i know browser side there is squat
[11:17:54] * crutchy knows bugger all about node.js
[11:18:04] <crutchy> other than it is a tech buzzword
[11:18:57] <crutchy> isn't the browser supposed to verify for you?
[11:19:10] <arti> http://nategood.com
[11:19:20] <arti> doesn't look like it specifically
[11:20:00] <crutchy> you looking for it just for yourself?
[11:20:33] <arti> it would be useful to have the client report and then query the server
[11:20:46] * arti would be interested in detecting mitm attacks
[11:21:45] <crutchy> what evidence is there to detect a mitm?
[11:22:29] <crutchy> especially if mitm isn't in the traceroute
[11:22:41] <crutchy> like an nsa-style signal splice
[11:23:14] <arti> that's different, no way to detect that, but what about when networked machines are setup to resign something?
[11:24:06] <crutchy> ahh that keysigning shit is over my head
[11:24:18] <arti> as far as the other stuff, yeah harder
[11:24:25] <arti> if not impossible to detect
[11:24:28] <crutchy> i can barely work openssl let alone ensure its actually doing what i want :-P
[11:25:58] <crutchy> you want to detect mitm to ensure when you get your ssl private key resigned that nobody else has sniffed it?
[11:26:38] <arti> it would be nice to display info if it didn't match up
[11:26:42] <arti> "!"
[11:27:01] <arti> instead of having to manually check it out
[11:28:09] <crutchy> would a mitm change anything so as not to match up?
[11:28:42] <arti> this would only be useful in situations where companies spy
[11:29:11] <arti> as far as the route is concerned that's much more difficult
[11:29:21] * crutchy doesn't know much about this stuff but it's fun to navel gaze
[11:29:29] <arti> likewise
[11:29:46] <arti> there's some pretty brilliant folks out there
[11:29:51] <crutchy> yeah
[11:30:19] <crutchy> i get crypto-gram in my inbox, which is fun to browse sometimes
[11:30:58] <crutchy> and places like https://www.grc.com
[11:31:23] <crutchy> ooh: https://www.grc.com
[11:31:29] <crutchy> might interest you ^^^^^
[11:32:11] <crutchy> kinda just fell into that one
[11:33:48] <arti> yeah, that seems nifty. i'll give it a better once over in the morning
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[11:37:35] <Fluffeh> Evening all :)
[11:37:40] <arti> evening
[11:38:49] <Fluffeh> Just wanted to say thanks for publishing my journal submission on the front page - I couldn't have believed how much interesting conversation it spawned!
[11:40:29] <arti> always a good feeling ^_^
[11:40:36] * arti is headed out for the evening
[11:40:38] * arti salutes
[11:40:49] <Fluffeh> Have a good one!
[11:41:16] <crutchy> cya arti
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[11:48:06] <crutchy> hmm interesting tool
[11:49:43] <chromas> All I get is "Service Overuse Notice" :(
[11:51:10] <crutchy> when u go to https://www.grc.com ????
[11:51:26] <chromas> Yeah. Reload fixed it
[11:51:44] <chromas> It said I was using it too quickly even though that's the first time I've been on that site in years
[11:51:59] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org checks out ok :-)
[11:52:04] <crutchy> lol
[11:52:44] <crutchy> i guess ncommander isn't trying to intercept our super secret squirrel handshakes after all :-P
[11:52:51] <chromas> lol
[11:53:12] <chromas> On dev.soylentnews.org "The SSL/TLS security certificate obtained from the remote server was invalid."
[11:53:32] <crutchy> lol
[11:53:38] <crutchy> self-signed
[11:53:53] <crutchy> ?
[11:55:02] <chromas> Root CA
[11:55:25] <crutchy> openssl will do that :-P
[11:56:06] <chromas> I guess it's not verified or something
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[12:14:22] <prospectacle> hey hey
[12:20:24] <crutchy> hey prospectacle
[12:22:13] <prospectacle> How's it going?
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[13:05:54] <prospectacle> Hi MrBluze
[13:06:18] <MrBluze> hi prospectacle how u doin
[13:08:05] <prospectacle> Not too bad thanks. Tired but early night tonight. This time i mean it (I'm always saying it and it never happens)
[13:08:12] <prospectacle> How are you this fine evening?
[13:08:32] <prospectacle> Not in the cyclone parts of the country I hope
[13:08:45] <MrBluze> oh, doin ok
[13:08:58] <MrBluze> nah i am in the equivalent of hobbiton
[13:09:34] <prospectacle> good to hear. drink some ale and peel off a big piece of crusty bread
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[13:15:44] <prospectacle> well gotta go people. have a good evening or other time of day.
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[16:42:55] <Blackmoore> mornin
[16:50:46] <weeds> hello
[16:57:03] <Blackmoore> look quiet in here
[17:00:12] <Blackmoore> has anyone submitted the Ars article about starting an ISP is hard?
[17:01:50] <LaminatorX> I don't see it in submissions.
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[17:10:02] <Blackmoore> cool. I'll throw it in
[17:20:49] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Plans to Abandon Android? - http://sylnt.us - Left-to-park-cars-outside-a-restaurant-for-millennia?
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[18:13:56] <Blackmoore> *blink* well that was fast.. thanks for the accept!
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[18:51:57] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Why Aren't You an ISP? - http://sylnt.us - I'm-sick-of-my-IS#$&amp;^#%*-dropp-(NO-CARRIER)
[18:55:21] <Konomi> that parsing ;p
[18:55:36] <xlefay> rofl &amp;
[18:56:37] <Blackmoore> nice *big grin*
[18:56:47] <xlefay> so out of curiosity, who here had enabled the "Willing to vote" and who here, actually voted?
[18:56:56] <stderr> WWoouullddnn''tt tthhee ((NNOO--CCAARRRRIIEERR)) uussuuaallllyy ccoommee rriigghhtt aafftteerr tthhee nnooiissee??
[18:57:06] <SirFinkus> I enabled, didn't have any name suggestions though
[18:57:25] <SirFinkus> I was just going to vote for soylentnews
[18:57:44] <stderr> I couldn't suggest any names because of the stupid useless rule...
[18:57:47] <xlefay> ugh, I'm sure that's what everyone's going to do
[18:57:52] <xlefay> stderr, which was?
[18:58:02] <stderr> Available as .com, .net and .org
[18:58:28] <xlefay> hmm, which one did you want to suggest?
[18:59:29] <stderr> From everything I have heard so far, that rule was only there because you were afraid of IP issues. I still don't get why you didn't just make a rule about that instead.
[18:59:59] <xlefay> I haven't got a clue, haven't been in the loop personally
[19:00:04] <stderr> I'm not going to tell you that. :-) I might want to keep those names to myself, since you don't want them. :-)
[19:00:20] <Blackmoore> I don't have any suggestions.
[19:00:25] <Blackmoore> but I will vote.
[19:00:50] <xlefay> Blackmoore, soylentnews.org...?
[19:00:59] <Blackmoore> @stderr yes. that damn noise...
[19:01:32] <Blackmoore> @xlefay soylent is on the top of my list ; but I'm willing to think about other options
[19:01:34] <xlefay> stderr, personally, all but SN.org is fine with me, heck name it newssoylent for all I care
[19:01:43] <stderr> xlefay: It's hard to say what we will vote when we don't have all the options yet.
[19:02:25] <xlefay> True, then again, I have a feeling the majority who ticked the "willing to vote" won't be voting but I'm hoping to be wrong about that
[19:02:39] <Blackmoore> the only other name options I have a trolls. I'm not putting them in as a serious option
[19:03:12] <xlefay> "Now at 9, TrollsNews, with the latest trolls." ? :)
[19:03:58] <xlefay> stderr, tbh, I do hope port119 shows up in the list
[19:04:17] <stderr> It won't. It's not available in all three...
[19:04:20] <xlefay> regardless of whether it's available on other TLDs, that's where my vote would go
[19:04:27] <xlefay> I think MrBluze has .net right?
[19:04:42] <xlefay> I can see now why the rule sucks
[19:04:44] <paulej72> I thought all of our previous short list was to be on the new short list
[19:04:47] <stderr> Yes, but not the other two.
[19:04:50] <Blackmoore> and now with icantbeliveyouselectedanamethisdamnlongasanoption.com.news.com
[19:05:06] <xlefay> paulej72, is baconnews & dailybacon on there?
[19:05:53] <paulej72> idk?
[19:05:58] <stderr> xlefay: Nope... You don't have all three.
[19:06:00] <xlefay> me neither
[19:06:08] <xlefay> stderr, port119 or..?
[19:06:14] <Blackmoore> @%)&%)#&()&#_&_^(#5!_@)85news.com
[19:06:33] <xlefay> Blackmoore, I'd be more impressed if you came up with slashdot in chinese
[19:06:39] <xlefay> (the characters, that is)
[19:06:39] <paulej72> I thought the three domain thing was a suggestion not a requirement.
[19:06:50] <Blackmoore> geh. i dont have that set on this system.
[19:06:54] <xlefay> Blackmoore, :P
[19:06:59] <Blackmoore> :)
[19:07:11] <xlefay> no clue, is there a faq for the e-mail stuff somewhere?
[19:07:22] * xlefay notes it'd be really freakin' nice to have a faq!
[19:07:26] <Blackmoore> "longstringofexplitives"news.com
[19:07:35] <xlefay> explosivenews.com!
[19:08:52] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
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[19:10:02] <xlefay> I've read that a hundred times already
[19:10:12] <xlefay> sup Konomi
[19:10:15] <xlefay> kobach, *
[19:10:17] <xlefay> but hi Konomi !
[19:10:22] <Konomi> hey
[19:10:27] <Landon> how much longer until the .news TLD is up?
[19:10:40] <xlefay> no clue.. but god that's just awful
[19:11:31] <xlefay> before you know it, we'll have ".more.corporate.internet"
[19:12:15] <xlefay> what's up Landon, you still busy with all that .math's?
[19:12:17] <paulej72> I do not think the new TLD will have as much impact as the old ones. I suspect that many people will try to do newssite.news.com or some such for a long time
[19:12:42] <xlefay> how much did a new TLD cost, 180K or so?
[19:13:06] <xlefay> God I wish I had gotten .porn, I could've sold it for millions
[19:13:36] <paulej72> xlefay: I think that was the cost for vanity TLDs, but there were a few non vanity ones like .news created at the same time
[19:14:01] <xlefay> yeah, that's true
[19:14:05] <Landon> I was reading about some woman that took a big bite out of her savings getting .wed for wedding sites
[19:14:15] <Landon> .... not long after, large corp puts in application for .wedding
[19:14:22] <Landon> not that either will get any traction :P
[19:14:24] <pbnjoe> ouch
[19:14:28] <xlefay> those functional TLDs are painful
[19:14:36] <xlefay> Landon, well, the .wed I wouldn't be very surprised
[19:14:45] <xlefay> but anything more than 3 or 4 characters isn't going to work
[19:15:00] <stderr> xlefay: I still want ".suck"... Want to buy poutine.suck? $1... Want to buy xlefay.does-not.suck, thereby making sure others can't buy xlefay.suck? $100.
[19:15:13] <xlefay> !grab stderr
[19:15:13] <deadbeef> Added quote 117
[19:15:18] <paulej72> walmart.walmart
[19:15:26] <xlefay> That one is awesome, let's buy it together!
[19:15:27] <pbnjoe> eww
[19:15:45] <xlefay> but we'll also need .sucks
[19:16:05] <xlefay> paulej72, exactly..
[19:16:07] <paulej72> that is the kind of urls we will see with vanity TLDs
[19:16:09] <xlefay> or worse, "store.wallmart"
[19:16:30] <paulej72> www.walmart
[19:16:47] <xlefay> Well.. actually SN has a vanity TLD too atm rofl
[19:16:53] <stderr> Won't it just be "walmart"?
[19:16:58] <xlefay> but the real vanity TLDs just suck
[19:17:07] <xlefay> stderr, they would probably make that work..
[19:17:09] <kobach> lol
[19:17:14] <xlefay> breaking half the internet in the meantime, but sure they will
[19:17:17] <Landon> paulej72: god, can we just get rid of www already
[19:17:33] <kobach> ^
[19:17:35] <Landon> it's not like I'm going to be going to gopher.cnn.com anytime soon
[19:17:41] <paulej72> stderr: it should be but that would screw up the search system with the address/serach fields as one on many browsers
[19:17:44] <xlefay> yep, so everyone in a windows network that has a machine called "wallmart" won't be able to access Wallmart's site.. ;-)
[19:18:03] <kobach> lol
[19:18:21] <xlefay> paulej72, actually, I'd be more concerned about resolvers "search/domainname" directive.
[19:18:26] <Landon> http://no-www.org we need to plaster SN with badges from sites like this
[19:18:28] <stderr> paulej72: Anything ".walmart" will probably screw it up too.
[19:19:40] <xlefay> Landon, http://www.www.extra-www.org
[19:19:44] <paulej72> stderr: i can code in anything with a . as a url easier than I can check all single words are urls
[19:20:07] <stderr> double-you-double-you-double-you.no-www.org
[19:20:34] <xlefay> http://no.vanity.domains ftw
[19:20:38] <pbnjoe> let's get www as a tld :P
[19:20:41] <pbnjoe> com.website.www
[19:20:44] <xlefay> LOL
[19:20:54] <xlefay> pbnjoe++
[19:20:54] <deadbeef> karma - pbnjoe: 4
[19:21:14] <xlefay> but let's just run it trough 'rev' just in case ;-)
[19:22:02] <xlefay> Blackmoore, https://soylentnews.org <- because my country has more than enough ISPs already ;-)
[19:22:07] <paulej72> pbnjoe: the rest of the url is top down except the host name it should have been com.domain.server.
[19:22:39] <pbnjoe> ah :p
[19:22:59] <stderr> The whole "www.foo" == "foo" assumption is messing up one of the ssl testers.
[19:24:04] <Landon> pbnjoe: god, java devs would love that
[19:24:23] <pbnjoe> ;)
[19:24:23] <xlefay> eek, obviously we've taken a wrong turn now
[19:24:33] <pbnjoe> pretend I never said it
[19:24:50] <paulej72> xlefay: have you forgotten what channel you are in :)
[19:25:08] <paulej72> there are no wrong turns
[19:25:17] <paulej72> only spoons
[19:25:17] <xlefay> #com.soylent.irc ;-)
[19:25:50] <xlefay> Hey, when Java's included in the conversation, all spoons are off!
[19:26:18] <xlefay> Then again, it could be worse, it could be perl
[19:26:20] * xlefay hides
[19:26:44] <stderr> Yeah! You better hide!
[19:27:13] <xlefay> rofl
[19:27:48] <stderr> Has anyone tried https://www.ssllabs.com on any of their own domains?
[19:28:03] <xlefay> " stderr has smashed the switch. This wondrous godsend has accelerated them 0 days, 12:00:00 toward level 49. Yeah, that sounds fine."
[19:28:05] <xlefay> stderr++
[19:28:05] <deadbeef> karma - stderr: 38
[19:28:40] <xlefay> We tested SN via there, a few times
[19:36:20] <Blackmoore> @xlefey I only have monoploies here - I should have started an ISP back in the 90's.
[19:36:46] <xlefay> The U.S. I'm assuming?
[19:37:16] <xlefay> Either that or the UK
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[19:42:04] <Blackmoore> US.
[19:43:00] <Blackmoore> back in the 90's i could hook up with a dozen ISP (by modem) and if i had large amounts of cash get at T1.
[19:43:24] <Blackmoore> now the disgusting thing is i have FIBER running through my yeard.
[19:43:27] <Blackmoore> yeard
[19:43:30] <Blackmoore> yard
[19:43:42] <Blackmoore> wow. i must be channeling coach z today
[19:44:28] <Blackmoore> anyway - i have the damn line right here. and i cant get a line to my house- as the neighborhood isnt affulent enough
[19:44:54] <stderr> xlefay: Do you know if ssllabs get confused about soylentnews.org vs. www.soylentnews.org?
[19:46:57] <stderr> Ah... soylentnews uses one certificate for both with or without www, so no confusion according to ssllabs.
[19:48:46] <stderr> I got one certificate for "foo" and another for "*.foo"... ssllabs says that's confusing. It really isn't... If you ask for "foo", you get the "foo" certificate and if you ask for "www.foo" you get the "*.foo" certificate. Both are valid for what you asked for.
[19:49:19] <Cyprus> what is ssllabs?
[19:49:23] <Cyprus> i've never heard of them
[19:49:23] <stderr> It's a bit annoying to me that ssllabs gives a warning about it.
[19:49:38] <stderr> Cyprus: https://www.ssllabs.com
[19:50:37] <Cyprus> oh neat
[19:51:19] <Cyprus> really dislike the page refresh display method though ugh
[19:51:36] <stderr> Anyway... 10 minutes till new episode of Veep, followed by a new episode of Silicon Valley, followed by new episode of Game Of Thrones... Don't expect me back until after 22:00 CEST...
[19:53:39] <Cyprus> and yet another reminder most of the world still doesn't support SNI
[19:55:53] <NCommander> ISPs used to be much easter to setup
[19:58:10] <Blackmoore> I wish i had been bright enough (or at least sleazy enough) to set up an ISP in the 90's. the cost of a T1 alone wasnt enven all that bad. (if i could have nabbed the property next to the exchange)
[19:58:41] <Blackmoore> but i was too green to deal with getting the funds to do that.
[19:59:39] * NCommander feels like absolute poop
[20:00:38] <stderr> I have considered becoming an ISP, with myself as the only customer. But now it seems the logging has been overturned in the EU, so I might not have to do silly things like that.
[20:00:49] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: How Best to Set Up a VPN? - http://sylnt.us - all-your-VPN-are-belong-to-us
[20:01:55] <NCommander> Lot of ask questions today
[20:03:16] <Cyprus> isps are still easy to set up, theres just no way to compete in the us
[20:08:32] <Blackmoore> the monoploies seem to have this thing about filing lots of frivolus lawsuits to tie up your budget. I'm not sure how to deal with that.
[20:10:48] <Cyprus> they only bother with that against muni players
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[20:10:52] <Cyprus> they're the only real threat
[20:12:21] <Cyprus> the main issue is profitability, if the area is already covered, its near impossible to ever make enough for it to be worth a buildout
[20:12:51] <Cyprus> especially if you're talking about something like ftth
[20:13:18] <Cyprus> which if you're not, your not really competing anyway
[20:13:28] <Cyprus> *you're
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[20:14:31] <Cyprus> things would be a lot better if service and infrastructure were forcibily split
[20:15:40] <Blackmoore> or if wireless could compete for speed vs fiber.
[20:16:08] <Cyprus> yes, if the laws of physics didn't work like they do, lots of things could work differently =)
[20:16:10] <Blackmoore> I had contemplated a wireless mesh network for the village
[20:16:30] <Cyprus> wireless is only an option now because of how horribly the physical plant is being managed
[20:16:50] <Cyprus> there just isn't the bandwidth for it to be anything other than a minor percentage
[20:17:10] <Blackmoore> yup. most wireless competes for speed vs the DSL speed i get.
[20:17:27] <Cyprus> and the carriers are having serious issues due to it
[20:19:00] <Blackmoore> and and frankly wireless should NOT be able to compete with a hard line for speed. that sounds like the ISP is throttling just becuse they want to.
[20:19:22] <Blackmoore> or they are too cheap to upgrade the exchange
[20:23:13] <Cyprus> they want to, because its not about bandwidth
[20:23:33] <Cyprus> they don't want to change to being dumb pipes as opposed to their much more lucrative content side
[20:37:09] <Blackmoore> yeah. eventually the argument goes back to the goverment owning the pipes, and the "isp" become either content providers, or billing specialists.
[20:41:20] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - 900 Canadian SINs Stolen via Heartbleed - http://sylnt.us - Polite-Servers
[20:43:57] <xlefay> Blackmoore, ps, you can probably xl[press tab] and auto complete nicknames, is easier & that'll ensure people get highlighted ;)
[20:45:18] <Blackmoore> xlefay: huh. well look at that
[20:45:25] <xlefay> ;-)
[20:58:32] <Blackmoore> and now fivethirtyeight adds to the atari landfill story : http://fivethirtyeight.com
[21:00:35] <Blackmoore> and yes i submitted it. but egads why is this a tech story?
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[21:11:43] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Cost Skyrockets for US Share of ITER Project - http://sylnt.us - cost-projections-are-always-accurate
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[22:31:43] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Lucas Nussbaum Re-Elected as Debian Project Leader - http://sylnt.us - project-democracy
[22:35:46] <MrBluze> for anyone who is still here from 2.5 hrs ago: with port119 and the bacon tld's i bought what I could. .com was usually taken - not ideal but I submitted those anyway
[22:38:19] <MrBluze> now i gtg work
[22:52:19] <Blackmoore> :)
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[22:57:59] <michealpwalls> Gah, what a crap day
[22:58:05] <michealpwalls> Terrible pain behind my eyes :(
[22:58:21] <Blackmoore> :(
[22:58:26] <Blackmoore> you need more bacon.
[22:58:31] <michealpwalls> LMAO clearly
[22:59:14] <michealpwalls> Maybe going to try and relax, watch some Game of Thrones
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[22:59:33] <dotdotdot> site down?
[22:59:44] <michealpwalls> I was having a hard time focusing on my fucking cursor today, plus the pain behind my eyes made for a pretty shitty day at the office LOL
[22:59:58] <dotdotdot> http://www.isitdownrightnow.com
[23:00:35] <Blackmoore> dotdotdot: it is clocking for me too
[23:00:54] <michealpwalls> Yea, I can't access it. Lots of bad network connectivity today. LMAO I blame the weather :)
[23:01:42] <Blackmoore> it was working fine a half hour ago
[23:02:47] <Blackmoore> michealpwalls: i feel for ya. get yourself some advil and coffee. the weather just took a bad turn here and I am feeling it in my head right now
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[23:09:45] <NezSez> current problem with the website?
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[23:11:18] <SoyCow9360> moo?
[23:11:49] <SoyCow9360> is soylentnews.org down?
[23:12:04] <NezSez> it seems so from here yes
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[23:12:30] <SoyCow9360> I can ping .com but .org has no reply
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[23:14:07] <TK> site down?
[23:14:14] <SoyCow9360> seems so
[23:14:32] <TK> Good thing the day's almost over for me
[23:14:48] <Cmn32480> So instead of Soyling somebody else's site... we Soyled our own? And on the carpets too....
[23:15:10] <TK> I have soyled myself, how embarrasing
[23:18:41] <Blackmoore> geh TK you clean that up.
[23:19:08] <Cmn32480> This is why new websites wear diapers...
[23:19:17] <NCommander> .op
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[23:19:20] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: Site Down: Hardware switch failure at Linode; replacement in progress | https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always. | Sorry for the issues folks, faulty network switch: http://s
[23:19:25] <NCommander> Er
[23:19:30] <NCommander> Appears I clobbered our own status
[23:19:39] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: Site Down: Hardware switch failure at Linode; replacement in progress | https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
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[23:19:52] <SoyCow9360> Is this related to the power failure at Linode on Saturday night?
[23:19:57] <NezSez> this is the second switch problem at linode right?
[23:20:13] <SoyCow9360> All my servers got knocked down for hours overnight on Saturday
[23:20:31] <NCommander> SoyCow9360, IRC is not on linode
[23:20:38] <NCommander> Its slated to be migrated but it hasn't happened
[23:20:53] <NCommander> Its just affecting hydrogen and not our other services, but we haven't finished setting up the loadbalancer yet
[23:20:58] * NCommander knows what he's doing tomorrow
[23:21:18] <NezSez> LOL
[23:21:27] <Landon> SoyCow9360: that was at the newark datacenter :) all of SN is in .. dallas?
[23:21:34] <Landon> s/all/whatever I know of/
[23:21:34] <SedBot> <Landon> SoyCow9360: that was at the newark datacenter :) whatever I know of of SN is in .. dallas?
[23:21:35] <SoyCow9360> NCommander, I meant is the switch failure at Linode related to the power failure
[23:22:14] <SoyCow9360> OK, in Dallas. I'm in Newark & Atlanta
[23:22:25] <NCommander> Yeah we're in Dallas
[23:22:36] <NezSez> adios all, gotta go
[23:22:38] <NCommander> THe note I got specifically says hydrogen (that's the only active web frontend) is affected
[23:22:47] * NCommander can reach the DB server which is a load of use right now
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[23:25:38] <Cyprus> gotta love that, all that data and nothing to do with it =P
[23:26:24] <michealpwalls> hehe
[23:26:57] <NCommander> Yeah, we're getting a redudent server up tomorrow or Wednesday
[23:26:58] <NCommander> fuck it
[23:27:15] <michealpwalls> Load balancing?
[23:27:16] <Cmn32480> Meh.... shit happens. You guys on staff do a helluva job. It is certainly out of your control. Keep up the good work.
[23:27:24] <michealpwalls> Don't beat yourself up about it :)
[23:28:33] <Blackmoore> You can't control the weather. or the power grid.
[23:28:39] <michealpwalls> I can, pfft.
[23:28:41] <michealpwalls> :)
[23:28:57] <Blackmoore> well I COULD cause a power outage.
[23:29:22] <Blackmoore> and being where I am, i suspect it might take out the northeast (again)
[23:30:35] <Cmn32480> Blackmoore: STOP PUSHING THE RED BUTTON!
[23:31:36] <Cyprus> solution to almost anything is space in a seperate spot, just have to have the income to justify it
[23:31:40] <Blackmoore> um. but if i stop pressing the button it makes awful noises and wierd gravitaional effects
[23:32:18] <Blackmoore> stupid umbrella corp
[23:33:07] <Blackmoore> I was just gonna plug in a hair dryer.
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[23:40:14] <chromas> Seems up now
[23:40:17] <michealpwalls> haha, to top off my day I downloaded the wrong Game of Thrones while I was at work (With the fast network LOL)
[23:40:22] <michealpwalls> *kicks dirt*
[23:40:47] <michealpwalls> Now that I'm home with my slow network I realize... Ah! Now I'm stuck watching a low-def stream :(
[23:40:49] <chromas> Partially up
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[23:47:46] <dotdotdot> https is still not working for me
[23:49:10] <Blackmoore> I'm able to acess, but cant log in. (no big deal)
[23:49:12] <xlefay> A switch at linode broke..
[23:49:19] <xlefay> honestly, WTF is going on with switches these days!
[23:49:22] <xlefay> ?*
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[23:49:40] <dotdotdot> read only for me
[23:49:59] <Blackmoore> NSA probably breaking things. petulent child got one of his toys taken away
[23:50:09] <Blackmoore> *adjusts tinfoil hat*
[23:50:38] <xlefay> On the bright side.. linode apparently, at the very least monitors their own damn switches
[23:50:40] <Blackmoore> EH, ok i get front page only
[23:50:45] <dotdotdot> maybe seeing just varnish cache?
[23:50:49] <NCommander> We're back
[23:50:50] <xlefay> dotdotdot, probably
[23:51:05] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
[23:51:17] <NCommander> Email from Linode confirmed restoration of normal services
[23:51:28] <xlefay> See.. I go away and shit breaks, first the hospital .. switch breaks in front of the IRC server.. I go off to shower .. switch breaks in front of the main site
[23:51:39] <NCommander> ...
[23:51:41] <xlefay> I guess, they just really want me to stink!
[23:51:44] * NCommander investigates where apache went
[23:52:22] <chromas> At least the Wiki's up
[23:52:34] <xlefay> anyway, NCommander that loadbalancer, let's get that fixed tonight then
[23:52:43] <NCommander> xlefay, I'll be home in a few hours
[23:52:47] <xlefay> Let's also deploy the SSL only shit
[23:52:51] <NCommander> Ok, we're fully operational
[23:52:56] <xlefay> Want me to put it up?
[23:53:06] <dotdotdot> woohoo!
[23:53:12] <NCommander> xlefay, will you be on a few hours?
[23:53:19] <xlefay> NCommander, probably
[23:53:31] <NCommander> xlefay, lets flip the loadbalancer tonight, new node bringup this week
[23:53:48] <NCommander> xlefay, we need to look at adding a second node fro ySQL as well
[23:53:53] <xlefay> ugh, ok
[23:54:09] * xlefay ponders something about @^&$!SQL
[23:54:19] <xlefay> mumbles*
[23:54:34] <NCommander> xlefay, you have the code, start porting shit :-)
[23:55:14] <xlefay> It'd be nicer if I had a copy of the dev DB, see how automatic conversion tools work with existing data
[23:55:33] <NCommander> xlefay, you have access to lithium
[23:56:01] <xlefay> yep
[23:56:33] * NCommander notes he's ready for this choo choo to reach Albany
[23:56:42] <NCommander> :-P
[23:57:14] <Blackmoore> fully operatinonal? What planet shall we obliterate first loard NCommander?
[23:57:54] <NCommander> Blackmoore, None. First we need to board up the small reactor vent shaft that a one man raider could use to blow this thing
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[23:59:32] <NCommander> Teckla, welcome to IRC
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