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[00:06:09] <Blackmoore> :P
[00:06:38] <Blackmoore> what - you think being a detainee of the state includes paperwork?
[00:07:02] <Blackmoore> no siree. if it was documented there could be due process!
[00:07:34] <n1> and if you live a paperless life, doesnt mean other people dont have lots of papers and files on you.
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[00:13:47] <Blackmoore> SHH.. they'll hear you through the tinfoil hat!
[00:15:38] <chromas> That's why my tinfoil hat has a tinfoil hat
[00:16:58] <Blackmoore> ah. I bow to your superior effort.
[00:17:48] <n1> lol
[00:19:09] <Blackmoore> i had attempted to use bacon, but the result was not optimal.
[00:19:51] <kobach> bacon++
[00:19:51] <Gerbilius> karma - bacon: 213
[00:19:54] <kobach> bacon++
[00:19:54] <Gerbilius> karma - bacon: 214
[00:19:55] <kobach> bacon++
[00:19:55] <Gerbilius> karma - bacon: 215
[00:20:35] <chromas> bacon++ doesn't work because it gets eaten before it can work
[00:20:35] <Gerbilius> karma - bacon: 216
[00:21:35] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Possible Depth of Malasian Airlines Wreck - http://sylnt.us - that's-deep-man-deep
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[00:48:10] <Landon> n1: ooooh, that enrages me
[00:48:26] <Landon> I'll take my scanner and ride on down to the NSA/FBI/CIA/whoever and personally digitize their files they have on me
[00:48:57] <n1> lol
[00:50:50] <n1> the spying and lack of privacy is tolerable, wasting paper is pushing it too far though.
[01:02:59] <kobach> !grab n1
[01:02:59] <Gerbilius> Added quote 107
[01:03:02] <kobach> LOL
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[01:40:33] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Rasberry Pi gets a SODIMM Form Factor and Printout - http://sylnt.us - what-will-they-think-of-next?
[01:55:04] <paulej72> NCommander: ping
[01:57:15] <NCommander> paulej72, PONG
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[02:22:04] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Possible Depth of Malaysian Airlines Wreck - http://sylnt.us - that's-deep-man-deep
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[02:36:31] <SpallsHurgenson> mmmm, hot spicy soup
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[02:54:57] <Tachyon> !user-id
[02:55:02] <Tachyon> !uid
[02:55:02] <Gerbilius> The current maximum UID is 4080, owned by The Jimmiest Jams
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[02:55:33] <SpallsHurgenson> more! more! we need more souls for the Machine!
[02:57:13] <SpallsHurgenson> Fly, fly my Soylent monkeys, and bring us new "recruits" that may brings us ever closer to the culmination of our dark plans! Muahahahaha!
[02:58:14] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - I've written a follow up about the proxy scanner
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[03:07:54] <Cyprus> honestly, i think what you're running into is idealism vs experience running a site of that scope in the trenches
[03:10:00] <Cyprus> at least in the philosophical side of is it wrong to port scan
[03:10:43] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Cereal Box Psychology - http://sylnt.us - cereal-mind-games
[03:14:14] <paulej72> !user-id
[03:14:54] <paulej72> !uid
[03:14:54] <Gerbilius> The current maximum UID is 4080, owned by The Jimmiest Jams
[03:15:05] <Cyprus> ooo passed 4096
[03:15:07] <Cyprus> err
[03:15:10] <Cyprus> forget i said that
[03:15:50] <n1> lol
[03:16:08] <n1> acceptable margin of error ;)
[03:17:22] <Cyprus> just a few bits off
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[04:02:28] <Landon> anyone with some plumbing experience in the room?
[04:02:42] <Landon> line to my toilet has been letting off a drop every 10+ minutes
[04:02:55] <Landon> is this sign of an impending gusher or will it generally stay like that long term
[04:03:16] <kobach> it will probably stay like that long term
[04:03:22] <kobach> but watch to see if it inreases
[04:03:29] <Bytram> Landon: which end is dripping? Near the tank? Near th cutoff valve?
[04:03:32] <kobach> increases*
[04:03:57] <Landon> kobach: I put a bucket under it so I can monitor it daily
[04:04:04] <Landon> Bytram: near the tank, I put in a T-valve for a bidet
[04:04:16] <kobach> nice
[04:04:20] <kobach> living large
[04:04:30] <Bytram> copper?
[04:04:50] <Landon> no? I'm not sure the name
[04:04:55] <Landon> it was a flexy pipe
[04:05:11] <Bytram> so it was threaded?
[04:05:21] <Landon> hmm
[04:05:23] <Bytram> or did you have to solder it together?
[04:05:28] <Landon> looking for it online one sec
[04:05:35] <Landon> it wasn't the kind of pipe with the mesh on the outside
[04:05:40] <Landon> it was the other kind of flexy pipe
[04:05:42] <Landon> where it's just a big spiral
[04:05:57] <Landon> might have been copper if that looks silvery :)
[04:06:02] <Landon> anyways
[04:06:03] <Landon> not threaded
[04:06:16] <kobach> i know that type of pipe
[04:06:17] <Landon> but a rubber gasket was cemented on
[04:06:36] <Landon> with a little connector that slides up behind it for threading
[04:06:45] <kobach> sounds like it should be fine for a few yrs
[04:06:51] <kobach> unless it increases
[04:06:59] <Bytram> ahh! So it WAS threaded?
[04:07:00] <kobach> then its time to redo before you need flood insurance
[04:07:18] <Landon> heh
[04:07:20] <Landon> yes it was threaded
[04:07:24] <Landon> but not the pipe directly
[04:07:32] <Cyprus> did you use teflon?
[04:07:40] <kobach> probably not
[04:07:45] <Landon> Cyprus: yes
[04:07:46] <Bytram> simple solution: get a roll of Nylon Tape, and
[04:07:54] <kobach> maybe try more
[04:07:58] <Landon> I didn't use it where the gasket and the threading piece met though
[04:07:59] <kobach> idk
[04:08:01] <kobach> oh
[04:08:05] <kobach> yeah do it there
[04:08:08] <Landon> just on the thread<->thread connections
[04:08:08] <Cyprus> did you wrap it in the direction of the thread?
[04:08:11] <Bytram> run a pice 1 1/2 times around the threads and then reassemble.
[04:08:22] <Landon> actually
[04:08:25] <Landon> let me debug a little bit here
[04:08:38] <Landon> water isn't coming out between any of the threads, says the paper towel
[04:09:01] <Landon> it's just coming straight back out onto the water line
[04:10:08] <Bytram> can you post a pic somewhere for us to look at?
[04:10:13] <kobach> lol
[04:10:25] <kobach> welcome to #plumbing
[04:10:28] <Landon> haha
[04:10:30] <kobach> :)
[04:10:31] <Landon> I can draw one
[04:10:32] <Cyprus> he wants to see your toilet =P
[04:10:42] <kobach> LOL
[04:11:01] * Bytram prepares for the inevitable gutter jokes that will arrive in 1, 2, 3...
[04:11:32] <Cyprus> don't people normally count down to 0, as opposed to up to infinity?
[04:11:54] <kobach> normally
[04:12:04] <kobach> but its Bytram
[04:12:05] <Bytram> sorry, you confused me with a people.
[04:12:32] <Bytram> kobach: LOL!
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[04:13:08] <kobach> abby somthing
[04:13:15] * Abby_Normal at your service. How may I assist?
[04:13:22] <kobach> you put
[04:13:25] <kobach> an abnormal brain
[04:13:36] <kobach> into a 6 foot tall
[04:13:39] <kobach> 300 pound
[04:13:40] <kobach> MONSTER
[04:13:42] <Cyprus> woof
[04:13:48] <kobach> or somthing like that
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[04:13:55] <Cyprus> love that movie
[04:14:00] <kobach> ^
[04:14:08] <Bytram> glad you got the reference! More soup?
[04:14:08] <Cyprus> put ze candle back!
[04:14:09] <Landon> uploading
[04:14:28] <Bytram> Landon: where's it going?
[04:14:41] <Landon> http://imgur.com
[04:14:52] <Landon> hope that explains some more
[04:15:25] <Landon> then t-valve connected directly onto that with teflon tape applied running down the threads away from the end
[04:15:32] <Bytram> lots!
[04:15:34] <Landon> (starting past the first thread, etc)
[04:15:48] <Cyprus> why is the pipe erect?
[04:15:52] <Landon> I'm thinking ultimately the fix would be to re-cement the rubber bit
[04:15:56] <Landon> it's a stiff pipe
[04:15:58] <Landon> I had trouble bending it
[04:16:05] <Cyprus> did you try stroking it gently?
[04:16:11] <Landon> was worried I punctured it at first because of how hard I had to bend
[04:16:29] <Landon> Cyprus: that's what gets us into these problems
[04:16:40] <Cyprus> so thinking maybe the gasket?
[04:16:56] <Bytram> I suspect that the pipe is meeting at a slight angle and the water is weeping past it.
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[04:17:19] * Cyprus is not a plumber
[04:18:00] <Bytram> how tightly did you tighten the fitting? Just snugged it up, pretty tight? darn near broke my wrist?
[04:18:08] <Cyprus> Damnit Jim, I'm a net eng, not a plumber!
[04:18:23] <Bytram> Cyprus++
[04:18:23] <Gerbilius> karma - cyprus: 2
[04:18:32] <Cyprus> you forgot: used a cheater pipe and heard a snap
[04:19:31] <Landon> Bytram: can't get any more grip on it :)
[04:19:46] <Landon> I'll go peek at the angle though
[04:19:52] <Landon> I don't think tightening it would fix it on that stiff bugger
[04:20:01] <Bytram> Landon: an idea...
[04:20:36] <Bytram> unscrew it a bit, and then wiggle the stiff bugger while you are tightening it
[04:20:39] <Bytram> nograb
[04:21:02] <Cyprus> if you have to do that, you need to see a doctor
[04:21:13] <Bytram> the idea is to get the pipe to fit as well as it can against the "seat"
[04:21:25] <Landon> ok
[04:21:42] <Landon> tried tightening a bit more, will do that if I see any drippy drops in the next half hour
[04:21:58] <Landon> but you think it's probably more incorrect positioning than something slowly coming undone?
[04:22:11] <Bytram> be careful, though, as it is possible to overtighted and strip the threads.
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[04:22:56] <Bytram> my *guess* is that it is a little bit not-perfectly-aligned and a wee little bit loose.
[04:24:01] <Bytram> so after oosening it to get some wiggle room, gently wiggle the pipe while tightening the threaded piece.
[04:24:21] <Bytram> s/oosening/loosening/
[04:24:21] <SedBot> <Bytram> so after loosening it to get some wiggle room, gently wiggle the pipe while tightening the threaded piece.
[04:24:33] <Bytram> nograb
[04:26:49] <swiss> what did you screw up?
[04:27:32] <stderr> Any editors around?
[04:27:33] <Bytram> afk 5 minutes
[04:29:09] <stderr> If so, there's a typo in the title on http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:29] <Bytram> stderr: I'm not an editor but what do you think needs changing?
[04:34:45] <stderr> Ras_p_berry...
[04:34:51] <Bytram> nvm "rasberry" should be "Raspberry"
[04:35:32] <Bytram> wish I could fix it, I sent an e-mail to lamx asking for editor privs so I could help with such things.
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[04:37:01] <Bytram> stderr: I mentioned it in the #editorial channel; hopefully someone will pick up on it.
[04:37:49] <stderr> I used to mention stuff like that in #editorial, but the editors were never there. That's why I didn't bother going there this time.
[04:41:50] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Raspberry Pi gets a SODIMM Form Factor and Printout - http://sylnt.us - what-will-they-think-of-next?
[04:43:19] <Bytram> it should be fixed, now, thanks to n1.
[04:47:50] <n1> i if i see anything mentioned in #editorial i do fix it :)
[05:01:05] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Is that Twitter or Facebook? - http://sylnt.us - imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery
[05:14:59] <swiss> how do i check my level in irpg
[05:15:05] <swiss> i am wondering if i'm even signed in
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[05:20:45] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> stupid windows update...
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[05:22:04] * stderr hands SpallsHurgenson a Debian NetInstall CD...
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[05:31:03] <Subsentient> $burrito n1
[05:31:14] * Subsentient chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at n1
[05:31:51] <Subsentient> "Is that Twitter or Facebook" gag me with an ethernet cable
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[05:58:48] <Subsentient> xlefay: thx
[05:59:00] * aqu4 hugs xlefay
[05:59:12] <xlefay> I don't do bot hugs sorry ;'(
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[05:59:54] <FoobarBazbot_> $burrito himself like an idiot
[05:59:55] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at himself like an idiot
[06:00:03] <xlefay> rofl
[06:00:06] * aqu4 sniffles
[06:00:24] <juggler> HAHAHA FUCKING STUPID BOT, WHAT AN APE MACHINE
[06:00:35] <juggler> LOOOOOL @ hugs
[06:00:38] <xlefay> eh
[06:00:42] <aqu4> Suck my pointers!
[06:00:42] <xlefay> dafuq u doing kobach?
[06:01:03] <aqu4> Stupid interpreted demon bot.
[06:01:06] <xlefay> you making out with juggler again?
[06:01:20] <aqu4> xlefay: I'm a chick
[06:01:27] <xlefay> uh oh..
[06:01:47] <xlefay> Subsentient, your bot is kinda freaky..
[06:02:23] <aqu4> xlefay: Well I am in C, so I do have pointers, but well, not a 'pointer'
[06:02:54] <xlefay> !grab aqu4
[06:02:54] <deadbeef> Added quote 108
[06:03:03] <xlefay> I actually thought that to be worthy of being quote 108, yes
[06:03:46] <xlefay> Subsentient, why don't you just plug aqu4 into alicebot? ;-)
[06:03:55] <Subsentient> Because she is unique.
[06:03:58] <xlefay> saves you the trouble of messaging it to message here
[06:04:11] <xlefay> her* as you would say ;)
[06:04:36] <Subsentient> xlefay: Alicebot?
[06:05:05] <xlefay> Google it
[06:05:23] <Subsentient> $ddg alicebot
[06:05:23] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Chatterbots | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/c/Chatterbots
[06:05:24] <aqu4> End of results.
[06:05:29] <xlefay> It's *fairly* awesome if it were to be integrated into an IRC bot
[06:05:41] <xlefay> Of course, it'd be less awesome if it were to actually take part of the conversation full time
[06:05:54] <Subsentient> xlefay: lol yeah no
[06:06:18] <Subsentient> I see, but aqu4 currently has no deps besides integrated SubStrings, and that's how I want it
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[06:06:52] <xlefay> Oh well, as you wish, you just keep her confined to her own limitations then!
[06:06:58] <Subsentient> lol
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[06:17:14] <Subsentient> Had to reboot the servers after an update I did for openssl.
[06:21:06] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - "Trust" Not Influenced By Genetics - http://sylnt.us - someone-has-to-do-the-research
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[06:29:17] <arti> evening
[06:30:55] <paulej72> !uid
[06:30:55] <deadbeef> The current maximum UID is 4080, owned by The Jimmiest Jams
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[06:31:58] <mrcoolbp> heh, nice name
[06:32:01] <mrcoolbp> later guys
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[08:02:48] <ar> Subsentient: why reboot?
[08:03:10] <arti> isn't that how windows fixed itself?
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[08:12:27] <Subsentient> ar: heartbleed
[08:12:41] <arti> or heartbreed in some parts
[08:12:49] <Subsentient> also I wanted the new kernel
[08:13:00] * arti summons movie theatre popcorn
[08:13:06] <ar> ok, a new kernel is a good reason
[08:13:10] <stderr> Subsentient: Others would just restart the effected services...
[08:13:17] <arti> stderr: nuh-uh
[08:13:35] <chromas> Is ksplice still around?
[08:13:41] <arti> should be o.o
[08:13:46] <stderr> Oh, new kernel too... Nevermind then.
[08:13:59] <Subsentient> stderr: yeah
[08:14:07] <Subsentient> also I had to recompile Epoch
[08:14:13] <Subsentient> so I wanted the new init system running too
[08:14:21] <Subsentient> I could have done reexec but the symlinks etc
[08:14:25] <ar> chromas: afair they've been bought by oracle
[08:14:36] <ar> "Epoch"?
[08:14:44] <Subsentient> ar: http://universe2.us
[08:14:48] <Subsentient> ar: Epoch is mine.
[08:14:56] <arti> There are many like it. But Epoch is mine.
[08:15:11] * arti reads
[08:15:14] <arti> that's pretty slick
[08:15:24] * arti awards a gold star and a voucher for beer
[08:15:46] <stderr> Subsentient: I should look into that. Unless something changes drastically with systemd, I'm not going to run that POS...
[08:16:04] <arti> for a second
[08:16:07] <arti> i thought you were talking about epoch
[08:16:11] <arti> pretty harsh
[08:16:34] <arti> as in you enjoy systemd, hate epoch :)
[08:16:35] <ar> > Epoch tracks the PIDs of all services, supports PID files,
[08:16:35] <ar> and supports sending signals to a PID to stop a service.
[08:16:38] * Subsentient isn't sure what else it could be
[08:16:42] <ar> Subsentient: how do you do it?
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[08:16:52] <Subsentient> ar: proc
[08:17:00] <ar> oO?
[08:17:05] <ar> and what if process forks?
[08:17:31] <Subsentient> ar: Epoch will track the original PID, or you can supply a PID file.
[08:17:52] <Subsentient> If it forks, you can use the SERVICE option to tell Epoch that it is going to daemonize
[08:17:52] <juggs> just catching up http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:54] <ar> Subsentient: what if a service spawns children?
[08:18:04] <juggs> NCommander++
[08:18:04] <deadbeef> karma - ncommander: 18
[08:18:06] <juggs> NCommander++
[08:18:06] <deadbeef> karma - ncommander: 19
[08:18:34] <Subsentient> ar: If the children want to run as equals to the original service, then there isn't much I can do. As long as killing the original or the PID in the PID file works, we're fine
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[08:19:15] <Subsentient> ar: Say, httpd for example, forks right after you call it because it daemonizes
[08:19:21] <Subsentient> you can specify ObjectOptions SERVICE
[08:19:30] <Subsentient> and that will account for the PID change
[08:19:36] <Subsentient> ofc, even that's not always necessary
[08:19:46] <Subsentient> because Epoch also reads /proc/pid/cmdline
[08:19:59] <Subsentient> So, it can autoscan for the correct PID
[08:20:14] <Subsentient> IF /proc isn't mounted that won't work however
[08:20:19] <ar> hm
[08:20:41] <ar> autoscanning sounds like a somewhat risky thing
[08:21:05] <Subsentient> In practice it works nicely.
[08:21:26] <Subsentient> I use Epoch on all my systems
[08:21:27] <ar> not trying to be criticizing, but afaik the only reliable ways to trakc services and its children are: a) process descriptors (http://man.freebsd.org/procdesc, freebsd only); b) cgroups (which are linux-only); c) ptrace, which sucks because you can't even strace a service
[08:21:37] <ar> s/trakc/track/
[08:21:37] <SedBot> <ar> not trying to be criticizing, but afaik the only reliable ways to track services and its children are: a) process descriptors (http://man.freebsd.org/procdesc, freebsd only); b) cgroups (which are linux-only); c) ptrace, which sucks because you can't even strace a service
[08:21:47] <Subsentient> ar: Epoch was designed to have no deps, so there you go.
[08:22:06] <Subsentient> But that's not really true
[08:22:20] <Subsentient> Epoch has never lost track of a service so long as autoscan was available.
[08:22:34] <Subsentient> I use Epoch on both servers and all desktops.
[08:22:40] <ar> hm
[08:22:41] <Subsentient> I would have had SOMETHING.
[08:22:44] <Subsentient> :^)
[08:23:06] <ar> postgres children change their argv.
[08:23:28] <ar> but then postgres is a well-behaving service and its children die with the parent
[08:23:29] <arti> ar is a freebsd user?
[08:23:56] <Subsentient> And yeah, then you'll perhaps need a PID file.
[08:24:00] <ar> arti: i don't currently have any freebsd machines, other than routers at the hackerspace
[08:24:26] * arti appreciates the clarificaiton
[08:24:39] <arti> s/clarificaiton/clarification/
[08:24:39] <Subsentient> ar: Epoch is easy to configure and is CLI-command friendly, so killall whatever works fine for ObjectStopCommand, but most people will tell you that's hideous etc
[08:24:39] <SedBot> <arti> appreciates the clarification
[08:25:45] <Subsentient> ar: Also, I can't live without the 'epoch status' command.
[08:25:56] <Subsentient> It dumps everything at once without an arg, it's a lifesaver.
[08:26:17] <ar> (also, i'd love to see process descriptors ported to linux)
[08:26:21] <juggs> Gah.. " we've been portscanning since day one ", "a basic web application should not be probing their end users", "on ports 80, 3123, 8000, and 8080" TRIPLE GAH. Has no-one heard that firewalls have outbound rules too? As Hawkwind would say "Use your wheels, it is what they are for" http://www.lyricsmode.com NCommander you (or security personnel) deserve a spanking. A smurfette will be along shortly to oblige.
[08:27:00] <Subsentient> $burrito juggs
[08:27:00] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at juggs
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[08:27:23] <NCommander> juggs, slash is apparmored which restricts it. We didn't straightjacket it enough
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[08:34:33] <prospectacle> hi
[08:34:40] <arti> hey prospectacle
[08:34:51] * arti summons individually wrapped popsicles
[08:34:57] <arti> try the coconut
[08:35:27] <prospectacle> mmm, do i detect a hint of pineapple
[08:35:39] <arti> how goes it?
[08:36:17] <prospectacle> Not bad, getting through it. Yourself?
[08:37:03] <arti> got stuff i've been working on for a few days wrapped up
[08:37:42] <prospectacle> nice. There's nothing like something big being removed from you to-do list, (if only mentally)
[08:39:03] <prospectacle> I'm gonna put my to-do list program up in a few days, so you can download it, write up this thing you've finished, and then tick it off for that satisfying clicking sound.
[08:39:41] <arti> what language?
[08:39:51] <prospectacle> english
[08:39:53] <prospectacle> j/k
[08:39:53] <prospectacle> php
[08:40:07] <arti> scoped out backbone?
[08:40:35] <prospectacle> No I've never seen it, just googling now
[08:41:21] <prospectacle> oh yeah I see, they've got a to-do list as a sample applicatin
[08:41:38] <arti> there is a site i can't find atm that has todo apps written in pretty much every language
[08:42:24] <prospectacle> cool, well hopefully mine has something new to offer. I mean I wrote it to use myself, but it sure would be nice if others found it useful as well.
[08:42:28] <arti> here you go: http://todomvc.com
[08:42:32] <prospectacle> thanks
[08:42:50] <arti> that's the best way to do something, scratch an itch
[08:45:10] <prospectacle> That's a cool site. A good way to compare libraries. Luckily the sample app is missing a lot of things so I don't feel like I'm late to the party
[08:45:28] <arti> i wouldn't stop what you're doing by any means
[08:45:37] <arti> beats the boring blog engine
[08:46:06] <prospectacle> yeah I've decided (many have said it before me) that you should write stuff you would use yourself.
[08:46:24] <prospectacle> Not only will you win even if no one else uses it, but you'll be more likely to stick to it, and you'll test it more thoroughly, etc.
[08:46:46] <prospectacle> How is your haskell going? Is that hobby or work?
[08:48:37] <arti> hobby
[08:49:04] <arti> getting better, the equiv of a prototype is making more sense
[08:49:26] <arti> blah :: (Eq a) => a -> a -> bool
[08:50:30] <arti> so a blah has type of (we can do equality evaluations of something) takes a something and another something and returns a bool
[08:50:32] <prospectacle> does that mean eq is a prototype method of "blah" objects?
[08:50:46] <arti> think of the (Eq a) => as a type cast
[08:50:47] <arti> roughly
[08:51:22] <prospectacle> right. It's pretty different to the syntax I'm used to
[08:51:23] * arti likes this to C++ templates and how scary they looked
[08:51:44] <arti> also the compiler stuff, while "friendly" is still not so
[08:51:52] <arti> but its less mud, so that's better
[08:52:16] <arti> i'm anxiously awaiting the days when it'll be friendly and familiar and less cryptic
[08:52:39] <prospectacle> haha. do you have a program you're writing as a test case?
[08:52:50] <arti> uh, nothing really fun yet
[08:52:53] <prospectacle> Nothing like getting things to do things, to teach you how things work.
[08:53:24] <arti> yes, indeed. once i get a little further along with file access the possibilities will grow
[08:53:24] * prospectacle doesn't think that will be in any books of quotes any times soon
[08:53:42] <arti> do you use any frameworks?
[08:54:07] <arti> the long term goal is to do a webapp in haskell, i refuse to jump into a framework
[08:54:38] <prospectacle> no I have an irrational aversion to frameworks. I start out thinking i will be lean and mean, and end up with a tangled mess.
[08:55:11] <chromas> You should create a framework to address that
[08:55:19] * arti points to slim :D
[08:55:30] <arti> one framework to rule them all, and in the license terms bind them
[08:55:34] <prospectacle> yeah boilerplate frameworks are dumb
[08:55:43] <arti> cut the fat where needed
[08:56:01] <arti> "stupid crypto library!"
[08:56:28] <prospectacle> I guess that's probably not universally true, but I think frameworks are the opposite of libraries. Libraries do things so you don't have to, frameworks force you to do things you don't need to.
[08:56:56] <prospectacle> I mean by all means write your own, but every programs constraints are different, so the framework needs to be bespoke
[08:57:00] <prospectacle> Maybe I'm just a luddite
[08:57:08] <arti> nah, i get what you're saying
[08:57:12] <prospectacle> what's "slim"?
[08:57:14] * arti tries to avoid reinventing the wheel
[08:57:26] <arti> http://www.slimframework.com
[08:57:30] <arti> it performs pretty well
[08:57:42] * arti hasn't dabbled much with it
[08:57:51] <arti> my current forray is with laravel
[08:58:06] <arti> phalcon seems neat
[08:58:31] <arti> i want to do a compiled application webservice though, the performance is crazy
[08:59:18] <arti> so many languages to learn, java is on the todo list too
[08:59:21] <arti> we use so much of it at work
[08:59:28] * arti avoids that side of the beast
[08:59:39] <arti> it's still the "best" option for large systems
[08:59:41] <prospectacle> yeah me too. Probably worth learning though
[09:00:14] <prospectacle> I haven't tried it out, but it's so popular it might have something going for it.
[09:01:58] <arti> yeah, i avoid hopping onto new stuff
[09:02:02] * arti keeps it on the radar
[09:02:07] <prospectacle> would your compiled web-service be attached to apache or nginx or something, or just run as a network service that happens to speak http
[09:02:08] <arti> but i've been bitten one too many times
[09:02:15] <arti> "yay a full rewrite!"
[09:02:31] <arti> prospectacle: it would run its own webserver
[09:03:35] <prospectacle> makes sense. Serving http is really simple, it's only if you want fancy access/load control that you need a proper dedicated server running.
[09:04:25] <prospectacle> clienting http is pretty easy too. I discovered when I needed to make an application get stuff up online somehow. I just made an http post string and sent it on port 80. Done.
[09:04:36] <arti> this is totally ancient: http://www.yesodweb.com
[09:06:25] <arti> something a little more recent https://github.com
[09:06:27] <prospectacle> I'm not clear on what the relationship is between yesod and warp on that page.
[09:06:39] <arti> they're haskell frameworks
[09:06:48] <arti> servers and whatnot
[09:07:49] <prospectacle> oh ok. So warp handles the http layer and yesod handles the application logic/
[09:07:50] <prospectacle> ?
[09:09:02] <arti> warp is a http server, ysod is a framework that makes use of...
[09:09:27] <arti> not sure what the http engine is in it *examines*
[09:09:59] <prospectacle> anyway looks fast
[09:10:15] <arti> yeah, i'd like to see how it compares in the real world
[09:10:25] <prospectacle> I would like to see a competition for new languages where the score is speed * brevity * clarity
[09:10:35] <prospectacle> times, not plus, so if you fail on any measure, your score drops dramatically
[09:10:40] <arti> don't forget developer speed too
[09:10:51] <prospectacle> I'm sure some genius out there could figure out a way to have it all (or most of it all)
[09:11:03] <prospectacle> well I figure brevity and clarity allow for developer speed.
[09:11:08] <arti> there are plenty of brilliant people out there, they're focused on growing hair and ED though...
[09:11:09] <prospectacle> I mean if it's brief to write and easy to read
[09:11:10] <arti> and ads!
[09:11:15] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - A Watch for the Blind - http://sylnt.us - sundials-are-obsolete
[09:11:18] <prospectacle> lol
[09:11:34] <prospectacle> I guess the competition would have to have a nice fat prize
[09:11:40] <arti> LOL http://yannesposito.com
[09:11:46] <prospectacle> like a million dollars, or a nice steak dinner
[09:12:04] * arti would take the money and buy a steak dinner
[09:12:09] <arti> actually, i'd just buy the meat >.>
[09:12:18] <arti> get some sweet cuts through a butcher
[09:12:22] * arti knows one
[09:13:15] <prospectacle> I like the "how to draw an owl" guide
[09:13:28] <arti> lol @ step 2
[09:13:33] <prospectacle> Sums up well the level of documentation in some projects
[09:14:12] <prospectacle> I think a massive part of the success of any language is the presence of easy info for newbs.
[09:14:22] <prospectacle> Nothing else can explain the success of php
[09:14:45] <arti> it's also a mix of things
[09:15:02] <arti> familiar C like syntax, bits of perl and whatnot
[09:15:23] <prospectacle> yes true, it's familiar enough to not be daunting
[09:15:43] <prospectacle> do you have (or plan to have) a blog that will help others follow the difficult haskell trail that you're blazing?
[09:16:35] <arti> uh, no plans for that. i don't feel qualified to write about it
[09:17:04] <arti> that may change if i grok it, but i think it'll have been done better by others
[09:17:29] <arti> learnyouahaskell (for great good) is a good one, same with realworldhaskell
[09:17:40] <prospectacle> hmm
[09:17:49] <arti> online books, i've bought a few books too and between that and online resources it's sinking in
[09:17:51] <prospectacle> it sounds worth learning, if only because it's so different
[09:18:02] <arti> the type safety is what's really appealing
[09:18:12] <arti> eliminates a whole class of bugs
[09:18:25] <arti> especially in web stuff
[09:18:48] <prospectacle> how do you do, for example, ask someone their name, if it's bob, give him an access code, if it's not bob, tell him his name is wrong?
[09:19:09] <arti> well you'd ask for information, and it will be a string
[09:20:32] <arti> as far as the web side of things, i've not addressed sockets (or the frameworks) figure i'd learn the basics first and then ease my way into those
[09:21:14] <prospectacle> sounds like a plan
[09:21:20] <arti> monads and parsing are further down the list
[09:21:33] <arti> monads are something that you eventually understand but so far the descriptions are meh
[09:21:53] <prospectacle> yeah. I mean maybe if we learned functional programming to begin with these things would be easy, but it seems hard to wrap your head around doing every little thing in a new ways
[09:22:04] <arti> the parsing libraries make extensive use of them, and i'd like to understand them better before cargo cult programming :)
[09:22:26] <arti> it's a different way of thinking for sure
[09:22:40] <prospectacle> Well I'll tell you about monads what I wish I'd told my past self about regular expressions. Just set yourself a dozen practical examples (with no idea how to do them), and then learn how to do them and oyu'll understand.
[09:23:03] <prospectacle> I tried reading docs to "Get the idea" and it never sank in until I had to do a couple of real-world things then I was like "that's not so hard"
[09:23:08] <arti> it's like when you learnt design patterns, crazy but they make a lot of sense
[09:23:15] <arti> "yay decoupling!"
[09:23:41] <prospectacle> hmm. I should probably learn design patters at some point
[09:23:45] * arti uses an online thingy to create the regex :D
[09:24:16] <arti> which reminds me, i've got some stuff for crutchy too
[09:24:31] <prospectacle> I gotta rush. Good talking to you again. catch you later.
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[09:24:43] <arti> ...and it's gone
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[09:57:20] <prospectacle> what's happening
[09:57:39] * arti watches tumbleweeds float by
[09:58:15] <prospectacle> exciting times
[09:59:56] <arti> yes, yes indeed.
[10:00:52] <prospectacle> so, how about them websites.
[10:01:04] * arti has been reading up on his news
[10:01:05] <prospectacle> i hear they're very popular these days
[10:01:15] <arti> as an aside, you tried Qt?
[10:01:19] <prospectacle> what's happening in your corner of the world?
[10:01:25] <arti> QML is pretty groovy from a CSS background
[10:01:34] <prospectacle> no I haven't. It looks pretty good. cross platform, fairly clean syntax
[10:01:48] <arti> it's all about the qstring :D
[10:02:07] <arti> who was it that was making a string parsing library, sub?
[10:02:29] <prospectacle> yes
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[10:02:45] <prospectacle> https://github.com
[10:05:07] <arti> ah yes, thanks
[10:05:14] * arti should've checked his url list
[10:05:19] <arti> that's something thats on my todo list
[10:05:23] <arti> ultimate url storage
[10:05:25] <prospectacle> if a "second-web" was created, ie a http browser that uses something other than html, I think qml would be a good candidate
[10:05:45] <prospectacle> where do you find someone's url list?
[10:05:46] <arti> where it just beams widget stuff over?
[10:06:05] * arti has a feature in his irc client that stores all urls
[10:06:25] <prospectacle> well I guess there would be core widgets, as there are with html, and qml would just act as a markup language to specify where they go, how they act.
[10:06:31] <arti> i just... care that it saves, i don't check it. i just take satisfaction i knowing i have them, just incase. because the one time i don't...
[10:06:40] <arti> i need them, it's like cardboard boxes
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[10:06:48] <arti> you toss them, and then you instantly need them
[10:06:49] <prospectacle> haha. Yes, get the data, figure out later what to do with it.
[10:07:08] <arti> "whelp fuck i need to send this to germany and i just tossed a box that would fit that perfectly"
[10:07:21] <arti> rage++
[10:07:21] <deadbeef> karma - rage: 1
[10:07:23] <prospectacle> I've often thought a good bookmark manager would be useful. The ones built into webbrowsers are pretty rudimentary. Tags, filters, views, sorting, etc would be useful
[10:07:34] <arti> well, i don't like the idea of services managing them
[10:07:43] <prospectacle> it could be local
[10:07:43] <arti> even if i had a stupid key, i want to run my own
[10:07:51] * arti does it through dropbox and a text file
[10:08:22] <arti> cause i sleuth, i go on browsing binges and random stuff, it's like wikipedia you start looking up inflammation and end up on longchain polymers
[10:08:40] <prospectacle> I've made half a dozen bookmark managers for personal use, each one with a different idea behind it, but I know there's plenty of improvement to be made on the ideas.
[10:08:55] <crutchy|work> ooh my submission came through!
[10:08:57] <arti> 3 tabs related to REST, 6 tabs related to compiler stuff, 3 to css stuff etc
[10:08:59] <prospectacle> yeah I know what you mean
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[10:09:08] <arti> crutchy appears
[10:09:20] <crutchy> g'day arti
[10:09:25] <arti> g'oop
[10:09:34] <crutchy> :-D
[10:09:37] <arti> how's it going in the down under?
[10:09:49] <crutchy> wet and miserable
[10:09:51] <arti> daughter.hair == combed?
[10:10:06] <prospectacle> where's your story crutchy?
[10:10:06] <crutchy> nah. it's dinner time :-)
[10:10:15] <arti> its night time and 18 out
[10:10:22] * arti finds this comfortable
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[10:10:41] <crutchy> http://soylentnews.org
[10:10:45] <arti> crtuchy is from a long line of delphi programmers
[10:10:55] <arti> a language for a more elegant age
[10:10:59] <prospectacle> crutchy, nice one
[10:11:01] <crutchy> although i pretty much just posted the link and commented that the pic was cool :-P
[10:11:14] * crutchy is lazy
[10:11:23] * arti is learning a lazy evaluated language
[10:11:35] <crutchy> yes. we don't use such uncivilized things as blasters
[10:11:45] <arti> it's all a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense
[10:12:07] * arti will have to find his laserdisc copies
[10:12:28] <crutchy> delphi rule #47: there is no spoon
[10:12:28] <arti> han shot first
[10:12:35] <arti> TSpoon
[10:12:44] <prospectacle> is delphi pascal?
[10:12:47] <arti> yes
[10:12:54] <arti> delphi is pretty sweet
[10:13:03] * arti uses heidisql which is written in delphi
[10:13:11] <crutchy> constructor TSpoon.Create; virtual;
[10:13:28] <arti> also, errbody's favorite backdoor from last millenium, sub7 was delphi
[10:13:36] <crutchy> spoon got g'ooped
[10:13:39] <prospectacle> I use borland, but the c++ one.
[10:13:46] * arti has a book to his right
[10:13:59] <arti> Mastering Turbo Assembler
[10:14:03] <crutchy> i gots an old copy of c++ builder that came with d5
[10:14:06] <prospectacle> I remember pascal seemed like a good language but I only scratched the surface back in computer school
[10:14:18] <arti> is that where computers go to become servers?
[10:14:19] <arti> :D
[10:14:28] * arti shows himself out
[10:14:43] <prospectacle> arti, lol
[10:14:48] <crutchy> it's where programs go to take over old arcade games :-P
[10:15:09] <prospectacle> Arti, it's where you go to learn to be a computer. To become turing complete
[10:15:26] <arti> haha
[10:15:48] <crutchy> i learnt to be a computer. sometimes i need to go take a memory dump
[10:16:46] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:18:31] <prospectacle> ok this is it. i'm going to watch the last two episodes ever of the american "the office" It will the end of an era
[10:18:56] <arti> alright
[10:19:00] <arti> good journey
[10:19:54] <prospectacle> thanks. I'm normally against u.s. remakes of good shows, but this one is good. Have you seen it?
[10:20:07] <arti> an episode here and there
[10:20:10] * arti doesn't watch much tv
[10:20:19] <prospectacle> probably for the best, it rots your brain
[10:20:27] <arti> nah, sometimes i feel like staring at things
[10:20:31] <arti> other times i want something interactive
[10:20:51] <arti> nice to unplug too, skirtchase.sh
[10:21:10] <prospectacle> lol
[10:21:25] <arti> i'm awaiting the fair this summer :D
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[10:23:09] <prospectacle> Yeah I need to switch off more often.
[10:23:38] <prospectacle> But electricity is so addictive
[10:23:45] <crutchy> birdwatching.sh
[10:24:10] <arti> is that what you tell them?
[10:24:21] <arti> "yeah we'll go out and scope out nature, and stuff"
[10:24:35] <crutchy> i'm looking for the illusive white breasted tit
[10:24:42] <chromas> Looking for chicklets and beavers
[10:25:20] * arti likes that gum
[10:25:39] <Subsentient> crutchy: rofl
[10:25:54] <crutchy> i would prefer to find such a bird with a map of tasmania
[10:26:22] * Subsentient is not sure if that's a real bird and crutchy just has no idea
[10:26:27] <crutchy> so as not to lose it again
[10:27:09] <crutchy> it is a real bird
[10:27:20] * Subsentient 's worst fears are confirmed
[10:27:26] <crutchy> i would post a link to a pic, but it would be a bit shocking :-P
[10:27:36] * Subsentient busts up
[10:27:59] <arti> http://2.bp.blogspot.com
[10:28:07] <arti> wood swallow /huhuh
[10:28:10] <crutchy> LMAO!
[10:28:25] * crutchy adds that to birdwatching database
[10:29:24] <Subsentient> On another note, imagine your 90 year old wrinkly mother in nothing but a man's speedo.
[10:29:55] <crutchy> err.. no thanks. wow
[10:30:01] * crutchy gives self a lobotomy
[10:30:14] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - TELUS to Start Rolling Out UBB - http://sylnt.us - how-polite-of-them
[10:30:21] * arti is reminded of /b/
[10:30:34] <aqu4> MY EYES!!!!
[10:30:47] <crutchy> arti: is that somehow related to RFC8008135?
[10:30:48] <arti> you get sorta used to it, internet channel surfing
[10:31:11] <arti> cock cock cock car thread, cats, granny, politics, cock
[10:31:39] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:31:59] <crutchy> have you seen the parody videos of that song with miley cirus being a slut?
[10:32:09] <arti> you mean she makes other kinds?
[10:32:39] <crutchy> i haven't actually seen the proper video
[10:32:51] <arti> do you stalk perez hilton or something?
[10:33:03] <crutchy> dunno who that is, so nope :-P
[10:33:08] <aqu4> Speedo granny wants chocolate strawberries.
[10:33:16] <crutchy> ew
[10:33:20] <arti> http://perezhilton.com
[10:33:49] <crutchy> erm... i just get stuck in youtube mazes
[10:34:01] <arti> You are in a maze of video channels all alike.
[10:34:02] <crutchy> horrible place
[10:34:15] <aqu4> Speedo granny pooped her speedo
[10:34:23] <arti> :X
[10:34:36] <crutchy> @.@
[10:34:46] * Subsentient is literally lolllll-ing really hard
[10:34:54] * Subsentient is having fun
[10:35:20] <crutchy> $reset
[10:35:27] <crutchy> $memory-dump
[10:35:35] <crutchy> $first-birthday
[10:35:39] <Subsentient> You're looking for $restart
[10:35:57] <crutchy> $system-restore
[10:36:13] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[10:36:13] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[10:36:15] <crutchy> $rm granny-pr0n
[10:36:19] <stdhell> /etc/init.d/crashd start
[10:36:36] <crutchy> /etc/init.d/crapd stop
[10:36:53] <crutchy> /etc/init.d/poopd stop
[10:37:02] <aqu4> Speedo granny got hungry and had nothing else to eat but the speedo
[10:38:10] * Subsentient waits for the keyboards shorting out from vomit
[10:38:37] <prospectacle> is there still a hidden subculture of people making new text-only adventure games? I can't help but feel their potential is somehow untapped
[10:38:53] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Speedo granny chronicles.
[10:39:12] <prospectacle> of course!
[10:39:13] <crutchy> i think there is still 4 crutchy corpses somewhere in mattie_p's dungeon
[10:39:49] <Subsentient> Problem with those adventure games is that they are often just a nest of if elses.
[10:40:49] <arti> yiiiiss: V
[10:40:52] <arti> xlefay [2/375] has challenged arti [298/498] and been defeated in combat! 0 days, 12:14:46 is added to xlefay's clock.
[10:40:57] <prospectacle> The only problem I had with the book versions of interactive fiction was they cheated. Mutliple paths would lead to the same narrative place. I guess cause books only have so many pages
[10:41:02] <prospectacle> But computers have more pages
[10:41:27] <arti> prospectacle: memory is a precious thing
[10:41:44] <crutchy> probably. i keep forgetting
[10:41:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: btw, you would want 'epoch stop poopd'
[10:42:41] <crutchy> nah /wall/powerpoint --unplug works much better
[10:43:02] <arti> poopd.
[10:43:13] <arti> is that what stops processes when they're tired?
[10:43:23] <arti> or is that cheesed?
[10:43:31] <Subsentient> Cheeeeeeeeese.
[10:43:33] <arti> :^)
[10:43:45] <crutchy> cheesed is what you use to reformat your mouse
[10:43:51] <Subsentient> arti: HOW DARE YOU!!! Thou hast stolen mine sacred smiley!!!
[10:43:59] <arti> man i remember wrestling with freebsd to get my mouse working
[10:44:00] <Subsentient> >:^(
[10:44:12] <arti> :^)(tm)
[10:44:17] <crutchy> :0)
[10:44:25] <crutchy> bacon++
[10:44:25] <arti> ['!']
[10:44:25] <deadbeef> karma - bacon: 217
[10:44:35] <Subsentient> arti: I been using that before your world was formed from your star's dust disk!
[10:44:57] <arti> so you want a beer?
[10:45:04] <Subsentient> $beer arti
[10:45:04] * aqu4 gives arti a cold can of beer
[10:45:06] <Subsentient> $beer Subsentient
[10:45:07] * aqu4 gives Subsentient a cold can of beer
[10:45:09] <arti> ewww can
[10:45:12] <Subsentient> A toast, to cheese!
[10:45:25] <arti> NEEDS MORE METAL FLAVORS
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[10:45:36] <crutchy> dust disk! pffft real men store their universes in rocks
[10:45:41] <arti> heh
[10:46:01] <crutchy> vim rocks :-P
[10:46:09] <arti> :|
[10:46:12] <Subsentient> crutchy: That's what I said! But, the almighty was stubborn.
[10:46:21] <arti> it's so awesome the codebase is under one dood
[10:46:35] <Subsentient> Almost, he wrote the whole thing in C#.
[10:46:39] <crutchy> ah the doo daemon
[10:46:41] <Subsentient> That's why there's black holes.
[10:47:01] * arti refrains from a pc insensitive joke
[10:47:03] <crutchy> at least its not the matt daemon
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[10:47:19] <Subsentient> No, it's the matted gerbil.
[10:47:23] <arti> speak fo the devil
[10:47:30] <Subsentient> indeed
[10:47:45] <crutchy> wow so that's how you summon peoples
[10:47:53] <arti> usually you start talking about them
[10:47:59] <crutchy> /etc/init.d/xlefayd start
[10:48:15] <Subsentient> at least it's not a gigaton of gherkin pickles!
[10:48:24] * Subsentient wants some gherkins
[10:48:42] <Subsentient> epoch start xfefayd
[10:49:19] <crutchy> /dev/butthole --release
[10:49:41] <Subsentient> crutchy: Cannot execute: Permission denied.
[10:49:53] * arti likes executing things
[10:50:00] <crutchy> with forks
[10:50:02] <crutchy> and pipes
[10:50:04] <crutchy> :-P
[10:50:08] <arti> and hashbangs
[10:50:16] <arti> \m/
[10:51:54] <crutchy> how goes things mattie_p?
[10:52:07] <crutchy> hope your little girly girl is doing well
[10:52:14] <crutchy> and rest of family
[10:52:22] <arti> no, only the little girl matters
[10:52:40] <crutchy> and yourself too :-)
[10:53:12] <Subsentient> and the talking eggplant jammed in the ventilation duct
[10:53:56] <crutchy> i don't wanna know from who's speedos that eggplant cameth
[10:56:27] <Subsentient> crutchy: Another sentence that has never, ever been spoken by anyone else before now.
[10:56:47] <arti> today is brought to you by the number 12 and the letter E. Eggplant.
[10:58:21] <prospectacle> Oh, original sentences, I love this game.
[10:58:44] <arti> could also be an interesting japanese gameshow with prison sentences
[10:59:09] <prospectacle> These pool noodles need more msg
[10:59:12] <arti> [ Clapping Intensifies ]
[11:00:25] <Subsentient> my boombox is too crunchy for the hunger games/
[11:01:37] <chromas> Windows ME is stable without upgrading the RAM
[11:01:52] <prospectacle> Why do these pikelets have kumquats in their septums?
[11:02:10] <prospectacle> lol @ chromas
[11:02:35] <crutchy> chromas: s/RAM/ewe/
[11:02:35] <SedBot> <crutchy> <chromas> Windows ME is stable without upgrading the ewe
[11:04:14] <prospectacle> I can't wait for the next version of office to come out so I can upgrade
[11:05:18] <crutchy> prospectacle: s/office/my orifice/
[11:05:18] <SedBot> <crutchy> <prospectacle> I can't wait for the next version of my orifice to come out so I can upgrade
[11:06:16] <crutchy> SedBot: s/my/open/
[11:06:16] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> <prospectacle> I can't wait for the next version of open orifice to come out so I can upgrade
[11:06:33] <crutchy> ooh
[11:08:04] <Subsentient> This pillow's tentacles are starting to taste less salty.
[11:08:27] <crutchy> Subsentient: s/ten/tes/
[11:08:27] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Subsentient> This pillow's testacles are starting to taste less salty.
[11:08:37] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[11:08:37] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[11:08:38] <prospectacle> lol, walked right into that one
[11:09:24] <crutchy> i must be tired
[11:09:50] <Subsentient> Your turnip has farted in my orange juice.
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[11:10:41] <prospectacle> These pretzels are making me thirsty, for knowledge
[11:11:04] <crutchy> eck i hate pretzels
[11:11:18] <crutchy> i'd rather eat granny's speedos
[11:11:34] <arti> crutchy: they're not my favorite, but there are good ones out there
[11:11:48] * arti likes the ones with peanut butter in them >.>
[11:12:31] <crutchy> ^^^ i hope you're not referring to granny's speedos
[11:12:45] <arti> i mean pretzels... *whew that was close*
[11:12:46] <prospectacle> It's hard to get proper big soft pretzels in aus. mostly when we think of pretzels we think of the small dry ones
[11:12:59] <crutchy> yeah
[11:13:04] <arti> i don't like the dry little ones
[11:13:11] <crutchy> they taste like carp
[11:13:14] <arti> salt powder
[11:13:19] <prospectacle> they're good after two beers and during the third one.
[11:13:23] <prospectacle> but so are most things
[11:13:28] <Subsentient> lol
[11:13:32] <arti> hahaha
[11:13:33] <chromas> peanut butter + speedos dog → happy granny
[11:13:49] <crutchy> lol eeeeww
[11:13:49] <Subsentient> lollll
[11:13:59] * chromas mis-edits
[11:14:15] <prospectacle> cool how did you type an arrow?
[11:14:20] <prospectacle> was it with magic?
[11:14:35] <chromas> Buttmagic, like in CSI
[11:14:50] <arti> buttmagic.vbs
[11:14:57] <Subsentient> That's chromas 's street name
[11:15:12] <chromas> <compose> - - >
[11:15:20] <crutchy> this one's my favourite: ¿
[11:15:51] <crutchy> you need two people typing on the same keyboard to make buttmagic
[11:16:35] <chromas> ♪Oh oh, buttmagic...you know♪
[11:18:00] <Subsentient> It just occurred to me, that Landon sounds like Lando. As in Lando Mollari?
[11:18:31] * arti resists a star wars reference
[11:18:43] <prospectacle> lol yeah that's what I was doing.
[11:18:48] <prospectacle> Who is Lando Mollari
[11:18:53] <arti> his cousin!
[11:18:54] * prospectacle has never heard of a search engine
[11:19:13] <chromas> $ddg lando mollari
[11:19:14] <aqu4> No results found.
[11:19:32] <crutchy> ß܆™ã§¡©
[11:19:32] <chromas> $bing lando mollari
[11:19:37] <chromas> $google lando mollari
[11:19:48] <prospectacle> $northernlights lando mollari
[11:20:02] <chromas> $gg
[11:20:06] <chromas> $help
[11:20:06] <aqu4> Hi, I'm aqu4bot, version "baking", running on UNIX. I'm a bot written in pure C by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
[11:20:23] <crutchy> lol: ß܆™ã§¡© :Erroneous Nickname
[11:20:26] <prospectacle> hi, aqu4
[11:20:36] <jones> damn robots
[11:20:38] <Subsentient> aqu4: hi
[11:20:38] <aqu4> Hiyah.
[11:20:44] <Subsentient> hi aqu4
[11:20:45] <Subsentient> hi aqu4
[11:20:50] <jones> aqu4: give me a pizza
[11:20:50] <Subsentient> wait, never did that part
[11:20:52] <Subsentient> aqu4: hi
[11:20:52] <aqu4> Hiyah.
[11:20:54] <crutchy> hi aqu4
[11:21:00] <Subsentient> aqu4: hi
[11:21:00] <aqu4> Hiyah.
[11:21:01] <crutchy> $hi aqu4
[11:21:11] <Subsentient> $commands
[11:21:11] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[11:21:12] <aqu4> burrito, beer, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, ddg, seen, tell, sticky, whoami, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, listchannels8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[11:21:15] <crutchy> $sr ß܆™ã§¡©
[11:21:15] <aqu4> ¡§£â⠀ß
[11:21:21] <crutchy> wtf
[11:21:30] <Subsentient> No unicode
[11:21:43] <arti> what is this, slashdot!?!?
[11:21:59] <aqu4> yes,
[11:22:01] <crutchy> i demand buttmagic
[11:22:07] <prospectacle> ♔
[11:22:08] <aqu4> but with more slash
[11:22:13] <arti> crutchy, you need to go to san fran for that
[11:22:16] <Subsentient> crutchy: that's what she said
[11:22:22] <prospectacle> ♞
[11:23:08] <Subsentient> $sr ♔
[11:23:08] <aqu4>
[11:23:19] <prospectacle> hmm
[11:23:23] <Subsentient> $sr
[11:23:24] <aqu4> ♔
[11:23:32] <prospectacle> woah
[11:23:40] <prospectacle> I think you just blew my little mind
[11:23:44] <Subsentient> lol
[11:24:10] <crutchy> $sr ©Â¡Â§Â£Ã¢„â €âœÃŸÃ
[11:24:11] <aqu4> øŃÓŢì¢Þãçáé
[11:24:14] <crutchy> lol
[11:24:21] <crutchy> *facepalm*
[11:24:38] <Subsentient> $sr predator
[11:24:39] <aqu4> rotaderp
[11:24:44] <crutchy> we seem to have evolving string sydrome here
[11:24:55] <crutchy> $sr ƒÃ¸ÅƒÃ“Ţì‚â ¢Þ€â¢ÂƒÃ£Â‚ç‚á‚éÂ
[11:24:55] <aqu4> éÚáÚçÚãÒƂâ¢ìŃâà¢Úâ
ÜÒƅøÒ
[11:24:59] <prospectacle> $sr 1ø2Ń3Ó4Ţ5ì6â
[11:25:00] <aqu4> Â65432Ã1
[11:25:36] <chromas> $sr ++samorhc
[11:25:37] <aqu4> chromas++
[11:25:37] <deadbeef> karma - chromas: 4
[11:25:50] <crutchy> something tells me i should be in ##
[11:25:57] <Subsentient> $sr ++tneitnesbuS
[11:25:57] <aqu4> Subsentient++
[11:25:57] <deadbeef> karma - subsentient: 2
[11:26:08] <Subsentient> or #derp
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[11:26:30] <Subsentient> $chanctl invite chromas #derp
[11:26:30] <aqu4> Ok.
[11:26:32] <prospectacle> $sr 10=+elcatcepsorp
[11:26:32] <aqu4> prospectacle+=01
[11:26:36] <Subsentient> $chanctl invite prospectacle #derp
[11:26:36] <aqu4> Ok.
[11:27:33] <chromas> I'd hit the channel limit. Pretty low. I want in all the channels
[11:27:36] * chromas whines
[11:28:04] <arti> easy, just fire up some clones
[11:28:09] <arti> and have each join the max channels
[11:28:13] <arti> :D
[11:28:41] <Subsentient> yeaaaah.
[11:28:46] <Subsentient> $burrito xlefay and kobach
[11:28:47] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at xlefay and kobach
[11:29:07] <Subsentient> $burrito NCommander for not making the channel limit unlimited
[11:29:07] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at NCommander for not making the channel limit unlimited
[11:29:37] <Subsentient> $tell NCommander Might want to remove the channel limit, it is inhibiting people from joining the glorious #derp!
[11:29:37] <aqu4> I'll tell 'em next time I see 'em.
[11:30:06] <prospectacle> subsentient does that actually work?
[11:30:16] <prospectacle> I mean if i $tell Subsentient this message
[11:30:19] <prospectacle> will you get it?
[11:30:24] <prospectacle> $tell Subsentient this message
[11:30:24] <aqu4> I'll tell 'em next time I see 'em.
[11:30:41] <Subsentient> <aqu4> [2014-04-10 | 09:30:23 UTC] You have a message from prospectacle: this message
[11:31:05] <Subsentient> prospectacle: yes.
[11:31:07] <prospectacle> cool, does it pm you?
[11:31:10] <Subsentient> yes
[11:31:16] <Subsentient> $tell prospectacle I farted
[11:31:16] <aqu4> I'll tell 'em next time I see 'em.
[11:31:31] <prospectacle> ...
[11:31:37] <prospectacle> oh there we go
[11:31:47] <chromas> PMs, nice
[11:31:48] <Subsentient> You have to speak or do some human action before she will send.
[11:31:50] <chromas> Does she come in through the back door?
[11:32:00] <prospectacle> I see
[11:32:01] <Subsentient> chromas:
[11:32:16] <prospectacle> well it's coming along nicely. I'm going out for a walk. Have fun everyone
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[12:01:23] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Effect of Warmer Winter Climate on Forest Growth - http://sylnt.us - I-can-see-the-forest
[12:09:12] <crutchy> hey mrbluze
[12:11:36] <MrBluze> hey
[12:11:39] <MrBluze> bbak in a bit
[12:11:47] <crutchy> mkay
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[12:41:35] <MrBluze> back
[12:41:39] <MrBluze> how u doin crutchy?
[12:41:51] <crutchy> i'm good
[12:41:53] <crutchy> u?
[12:42:22] <MrBluze> tired
[12:42:30] <MrBluze> been tired lately, more than usual.. maybe i am working too hard
[12:42:37] <crutchy> maybe
[12:42:47] <crutchy> i've been feeling lethargic lately
[12:43:14] <crutchy> maybe it's a certain three letter acronym
[12:43:32] <MrBluze> uhm which one of many is that ?
[12:43:37] <MrBluze> PMS? lol
[12:43:46] <crutchy> starts with i
[12:43:52] <crutchy> ends in rc
[12:43:53] <crutchy> :-P
[12:43:57] <MrBluze> lol yeah that too
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[12:44:46] <MrBluze> i been busy updating all my openssl
[12:44:51] <MrBluze> it's everywhere
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[12:44:57] <MrBluze> tor, vpn, everywhere
[12:45:14] <crutchy> udating your openssl?
[12:45:28] <MrBluze> yeah the bleeding heart whatever vulnerability
[12:45:32] <crutchy> you mean server certs?
[12:45:34] <MrBluze> gotta update all your openssl libraries
[12:45:44] <MrBluze> yep, certs, the code, and passwords
[12:45:46] <crutchy> public certs too?
[12:45:57] <MrBluze> not so sure about that
[12:46:45] <MrBluze> i read about the guy who introduced the vulnerability
[12:46:48] <MrBluze> german dude
[12:47:02] <crutchy> i only have one rather dormant openssl root ca thingy
[12:47:06] <MrBluze> list of publications as long as your arm
[12:47:21] <crutchy> academic sort
[12:47:26] <MrBluze> hmm .. who knows
[12:47:43] <MrBluze> could be.. could be a stooge
[12:47:56] <crutchy> an nsa stooge
[12:48:05] <MrBluze> for example.. why not?
[12:48:18] <MrBluze> perfect for them .. 6 months of free-for-all viewing of ssl traffic
[12:48:40] <MrBluze> and collecting passwords, private data, the flaming lot
[12:50:09] <stdhell> People who "record" TV shows using their phone and then post them on youtube should be shoot...
[12:50:17] <stdhell> http://www.youtube.com
[12:50:32] <stdhell> Or even worse: http://www.youtube.com
[12:50:42] <MrBluze> lol
[12:52:02] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Clinical Trial Data Exposes Tamiflu As Ineffective - http://sylnt.us - Crooks-and-Liars
[12:52:43] <MrBluze> lmao
[12:52:52] * MrBluze laughs hysterically at the latest story
[12:52:58] <stdhell> But anyway... No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
[12:53:14] <MrBluze> lol stdhell no one in germany could work for a 3 letter agency
[12:55:06] <stdhell> B (1)... N (2)... D (3)... Hmm... Are you sure about that?
[12:55:20] <MrBluze> anyone follow the goon show?
[12:56:57] <stdhell> In other news: The Military Counterintelligence Service of Germany is MAD... MAD, I tell you!
[12:57:01] <stdhell> http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:06:20] <crutchy> you can almost make "spaz" out of spetsnaz
[13:06:35] <crutchy> if you drink enough goon
[13:08:18] <MrBluze> in the goon show there was an episode - the dreaded Lurgi
[13:08:38] <MrBluze> about the Lurgi .. a deadly flu like illness that killed everyone on the Isle of Ewe
[13:09:06] <crutchy> is that kind of like the goodies?
[13:09:17] <crutchy> that was an awesome show
[13:09:34] <crutchy> "goodie goodie yumm yumm"
[13:10:03] <MrBluze> nah was a radio show - spike milligan
[13:10:21] <MrBluze> well. thing about this illness is every person on that island who died, didn't play a brass instrument
[13:10:48] <MrBluze> and on that basis, the UK government bought 50,000 life-saving brass instruments to distribute to the pupulation to stave off the Lurgi
[13:11:20] <MrBluze> .. and this is exactly what Tamiflu was. total BS - and many of us knew it
[13:11:31] <crutchy> and then everyone got blown away?
[13:11:38] <MrBluze> lol
[13:11:58] <MrBluze> well more to the story .. the people who told the govt about the brass instruments vs lurgi - were in fact brass instrument manufacturers
[13:12:08] * crutchy refrains from a more below the belt tilt
[13:12:13] <MrBluze> ;)
[13:13:20] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[13:13:24] <crutchy> lol sad
[13:13:54] <crutchy> used to watch this when i was a kid
[13:14:07] <MrBluze> the goodies r good
[13:14:15] <MrBluze> yeah same, seen every episode
[13:14:37] <MrBluze> and seen every episode of doctor who until it went offline
[13:16:54] <MrBluze> stdhell: u think mad might have had a hand in the ssl vulnerability
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[13:22:28] <crutchy> so does it mean that whenever i login to my internet banking that anyone can read my password as it goes through the tubes?
[13:23:07] <crutchy> or is it strictly a nerd++ feature of opensll?
[13:23:16] <crutchy> s/sll/ssl/
[13:23:16] <SedBot> <crutchy> or is it strictly a nerd++ feature of openssl?
[13:23:29] <MrBluze> crutchy: it's 2/3 of servers with https
[13:23:31] <MrBluze> roughly
[13:23:40] <crutchy> welcome to the lowercase league subsentient?
[13:23:45] <crutchy> pffrft
[13:23:49] <MrBluze> the other 1/3 use proprietary implementations of ssl .. banks generally use non open-ssl
[13:23:56] <Subsentient> crutchy: Testing bot
[13:24:01] <crutchy> mkay
[13:24:14] * crutchy continues in his blissful ignorance :-P
[13:24:43] <MrBluze> afaik the banks most of us are using are ok
[13:25:13] <MrBluze> .. or at least they aren't aware of what vulnerabilities THEIR ssl has
[13:25:19] <crutchy> lol
[13:25:30] <crutchy> no doubt the whole system will come crashing down one day
[13:25:39] <MrBluze> no doubt
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[13:27:21] <crutchy> woof woof
[13:27:45] <crutchy> nah sorry its mean to call someone a small dog :-P
[13:34:45] <MrBluze> wau wau
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[14:17:44] <Subsentient> kobach: what the hell was that for?
[14:19:08] <kobach> 10.07:13:34 < Subsentient> aqu4 makes VERY comprehensive logs, right down to the reasons a user quit.
[14:19:12] <kobach> you didnt read the topic
[14:19:16] <kobach> afk
[14:19:21] <Subsentient> kobach: Those logs aren't public.
[14:19:23] <kobach> also, it doesnt matter what it was for
[14:19:30] <Subsentient> I was asking if you wanted me to make them public
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[14:20:49] <Subsentient> You know I'm not sure I like that guy.
[14:21:03] <Subsentient> Perhaps because he just seems not to like me.
[14:21:35] <MrBluze> i dunno
[14:22:02] * Subsentient waits for the following sentence putting the blame on him
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[14:31:16] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - ARM: 50bn Chips - http://sylnt.us - ARRRRRM!
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[15:17:55] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:25:50] <Bytram> Blackmoore: hiya!
[15:41:16] <Blackmoore> hmph. I may actually have to do work today. :/
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[16:18:34] <Blackmoore> hey - I have an idea for a series of "Ask Soylent" where we inquire with the collective about different programming languages and at the end of the process put up a WIKI page consolidating the resources shared.
[16:19:03] <Blackmoore> we could do a WIKI about new resources we pull from too.
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[16:20:52] <crutchy|zzz> i'm sure we could be bigger, but there's http://code.wikia.com
[16:22:12] * Subsentient pokes crutchy|zzz
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[16:24:27] <TK> Minor stylistic critique: in stories that don't begin with "$Submitter writes" and two new lines, the category icon very nearly interferes with the text of the summary. Example here: http://soylentnews.org
[16:24:29] <Blackmoore> interesting. i hadnt even looked for a wikia
[16:24:40] <TK> Try resizing the page to see what I mean
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[16:47:16] <Subsentient> 'night all
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[17:18:07] <stdhell> Is it a known bug that the paging code doesn't work on the comment pages?
[17:20:05] <stdhell> E.g. the first comment (and a lot of other comments) on http://soylentnews.org is also on page 1, http://soylentnews.org ... If the some of the comments are there twice, are other comments missing?
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[17:40:12] <Blackmoore> @stdhell what browser? I'm in FF and it is not doing that to me.
[17:42:03] <stdhell> Chrome.
[17:42:34] <stdhell> I'm logged in, if that makes any difference.
[17:43:11] <stdhell> I doubt it has anything to do with the browser. The browser just displays what it gets from the server.
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[17:50:22] <Blackmoore> I'm old school . i'm used to browsers that decide to render different with the same html
[17:50:53] <Blackmoore> but ff and chrome are usually spot on for display
[17:51:39] <Blackmoore> so I think you might be getting some wierdness from the site. but I'm not a dev.
[17:51:48] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - How the Internet Is Taking Away America's Religion - http://sylnt.us - internet-is-the-devil
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[17:52:30] <stdhell> Well, I don't know any browsers that just make up comments by themself, so the comments I'm seeing must come from the server, right?
[17:53:27] <stdhell> Blackmoore: What's the last comment, you see on http://soylentnews.org ?
[17:53:47] <stdhell> And the first one on http://soylentnews.org ?
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[17:54:31] <stdhell> For me it's #28890 and #28666
[17:56:37] <xlefay> first is #28666 and last is: #29478
[17:57:30] <xlefay> eek, from the looks of it, you're missing quite a bit
[17:57:36] <stdhell> xlefay: Last on page 1... :-)
[17:58:15] <xlefay> last on page one as per your link is #29132
[17:59:10] <stdhell> Hmm, I got #29132 on page 1... Under it I got #28641, #28646, #29178 and a bunch of others...
[17:59:30] <stdhell> #29132 is only half way down on page 1 here...
[17:59:49] <xlefay> " (SoylentNews Overload: CommentLimit 50) " lol
[18:00:56] <stdhell> See that's another thing I don't get... The page 2 link says "...&startat=100", so you would expect 100 comments on page 1, right?
[18:01:02] <stdhell> I got 102 comments on page 1. :-)
[18:01:19] <Blackmoore> (#28890) at the bottom, (#28666) on the next
[18:01:41] <xlefay> when you say, start at I'd expect comments to start from the 100th comment in the article..
[18:01:41] <stdhell> Blackmoore: Ok, same as me...
[18:01:48] <xlefay> It's probably doing some funky stuff with child comments and such
[18:02:06] <Blackmoore> but that could be different depending on your moderation threshold
[18:02:24] <xlefay> ok, let's see how it goes when signed in
[18:02:34] <stdhell> xlefay: But all that should be taken care by the threshold, commentsort, mode and startat arguments in the URL, right?
[18:02:36] * xlefay notes the non-ssl links always get me
[18:03:02] <Blackmoore> and #28890 is a comment- it would not be n line time wise
[18:03:31] <stdhell> Blackmoore: But the threshold is part of the URL.
[18:04:01] <stdhell> I got 90 comments on page 2... (183 comments, starting at #100 => 90???)
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[18:18:45] <Blackmoore> no idea. (time for painkillers and coffee)
[18:19:16] <stdhell> And time for me to go home from work...
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[18:23:04] <Blackmoore|afk> coffee++
[18:23:04] <deadbeef> karma - coffee: 15
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[19:00:40] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Solar Aircraft Ready for Round-the-World Flight - http://sylnt.us - humans-are-weak
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[19:32:46] <Landon> Bytram: no drips overnight, I think that worked
[19:32:52] <Landon> giving it some wiggles while tightening
[19:33:19] <Bytram> !grab Landon
[19:33:19] <deadbeef> Added quote 109
[19:33:28] <Bytram> Landon: Glad it worked!!!!
[19:33:38] <Bytram> sry about the grab... I just could NOT resist!
[19:33:45] <Landon> :o
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[19:42:46] <Blackmoore|afk> hehe
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[20:08:49] <Blackmoore> http://www.instructables.com
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[20:11:27] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody! :)
[20:13:08] <n1> hi, michealpwalls
[20:14:33] <TK> HI Doctor Nick!
[20:15:02] <n1> lol
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[20:21:43] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Language Structure: You're Born With It - http://sylnt.us - say-what?
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[20:24:33] <michealpwalls> LOL exactly
[20:36:23] <michealpwalls> How are things? :)
[20:36:42] <arti> quiet :D
[20:38:03] <michealpwalls> heh I wish
[20:45:28] <arti> how about you?
[20:45:38] * arti is debugging and application
[20:47:43] <michealpwalls> Having a late lunch heehee
[20:47:51] <michealpwalls> 2:47pm
[20:47:52] <arti> what did you have?
[20:48:05] <arti> fish sounds good today for some reason
[20:48:10] <michealpwalls> So far an Apple and a cheese-string (rofl)
[20:48:16] <michealpwalls> Haven't really had a real lunch yet
[20:48:24] <arti> nice, the auschwitz diet
[20:48:28] <michealpwalls> McDonald's is pushing fish here. Dunno what that's about
[20:48:34] <arti> "fish"
[20:48:39] <michealpwalls> LMAO auschwitz diet
[20:48:57] <arti> i've never had the fish product at mcdonalds
[20:49:04] <Blackmoore> HI Micheal
[20:49:18] <Blackmoore> was the fish made at auschwitz?
[20:49:20] <michealpwalls> Hey Blackmoore
[20:49:32] <michealpwalls> haha, probably
[20:49:36] <Blackmoore> i cant say i 'd trust that
[20:49:41] <arti> "aged to perfection, low fat"
[20:49:53] <michealpwalls> That's marketing speak for:
[20:50:02] <arti> vintage fish product!
[20:50:06] <michealpwalls> "Near rotten, skinny little fish with barely any meat on their bones"
[20:50:09] <michealpwalls> mmm mmm good!
[20:50:09] <michealpwalls> :)
[20:50:15] <arti> einfach gut!
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[20:56:05] <Blackmoore> if you act now, you can even take a shower in our special ... HEY..
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[20:57:53] <michealpwalls> lol
[20:58:14] <michealpwalls> This whole Tamiflu thing is crazy :O
[20:59:21] <michealpwalls> The article (Both of them) describe how it's not technically illegal. Well, why is the UK government procuring *anything* from private company without first making said company sign a god-damned contract? Make them contractually obligated to be transparent and accountable and then there's an avenue to take when this kind of thing happens. It's not rocket science (dull)
[20:59:57] <michealpwalls> My college makes companies sign NDAs and contractual agreements all the time, hehe. Basically they don't hire anybody for anything without a comprihensive contract... Why couldn't a government act this way? Blows my mind...
[21:01:10] <michealpwalls> I suppose that's the tall-tale criticism of governments... They're completely fucking incompetent LMAO. Even the simplest of things (Procurement) and they'll find a way to royally fuck it up :D
[21:01:18] <michealpwalls> At the tax payer's expense, of course :)
[21:01:57] <arti> none of us is dumb as all of us!
[21:02:16] <michealpwalls> LOL huh?
[21:02:28] <arti> never underestimate people in groups
[21:02:34] <michealpwalls> Ah, touche!
[21:02:39] <michealpwalls> hehe I like that :)
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[21:04:22] <Blackmoore> well if you are working at a job that you felt was a waste of time. but hey you need the cash..
[21:04:36] <arti> depends on the money
[21:04:39] <arti> and the type of work
[21:04:43] <Blackmoore> why not generate more work to do -- later
[21:04:47] * arti will opt for the low stress environment
[21:04:57] <michealpwalls> low stress environment makes such a huge difference!
[21:05:04] <arti> worth it for the pay difference
[21:05:08] <arti> if that comes up
[21:05:17] <Blackmoore> I'm pretty sure the govt handler thisnks that the job is low stress.
[21:05:23] <arti> handler lol
[21:05:28] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:05:29] <xlefay> CIA?
[21:05:38] <arti> either that or one of those guys who picks up strays
[21:05:45] <michealpwalls> I think CIA would be a stressful job O
[21:05:49] <Blackmoore> worse.. procurment.
[21:06:07] <arti> michealpwalls: all those drug deals?
[21:06:12] <michealpwalls> But the average "Joe Government Employee" is pretty laid back and stress free... Vacations every other week, astronomical pay and early retirement LOL
[21:06:22] <arti> michealpwalls: or the regime toppling?
[21:06:27] <xlefay> "astronomical pay"?
[21:06:34] <arti> in pennies!
[21:06:39] <michealpwalls> haha arti yes and your colleagues may be trying to kill you? LOL
[21:06:44] <arti> all currency is ints :D
[21:07:04] <xlefay> Astronomical ints, i like that :P
[21:07:06] <Cyprus> the crazy's getting deep in here
[21:07:09] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:07:11] <arti> aints?
[21:07:18] <arti> it AINT RIGHT
[21:07:28] <arti> Astronimical INTs
[21:07:43] <arti> greetings xlefay, how goes it?
[21:07:49] <michealpwalls> Astronomical Unsigned INTs?
[21:07:58] <xlefay> mostly busy, how about you? Done anything interesting lately?
[21:07:59] <arti> those are ints that haven't made it to pro yet
[21:08:08] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:08:22] <arti> slogging along with haskell, it's becoming more familiar :D
[21:08:25] <Blackmoore> goog god.. it's an irational number
[21:08:32] <arti> those are females *hides*
[21:08:39] <xlefay> awesome ;)
[21:09:15] <arti> yeah, and this project for work is coming along. almost ready to deliver to the client
[21:09:41] <xlefay> oh, you mean the phase, where you deliver exactly to specs and they say "But where's X, Y & Z?"?
[21:10:20] <michealpwalls> ^ This
[21:10:23] <michealpwalls> Jesus :(
[21:10:30] <arti> got it all ajaxy, no submits (things are updated as you interact with them)
[21:10:34] <michealpwalls> That has been my past week *bangs head on the desk*
[21:11:13] <arti> nah, this will be a meeting. we've had several where we've gone over things so it isn't off track and there aren't any surprises
[21:11:33] <arti> more has been delivered than requested (slick mobile interface)
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[21:11:44] <arti> trying to get a big deal with this company
[21:11:49] <xlefay> arti, that's good. Clear communication with clients is key
[21:11:57] <xlefay> nice
[21:12:02] <michealpwalls> I'm jealous :p
[21:12:17] <arti> they've got 90,000 agents. imagine getting $10 for each
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[21:45:11] <michealpwalls> "Malaysian investigators reported on Monday local time that they believed the missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 flew low, at roughly 5000 feet, to avoid radar in at least three countries after it made its fateful detour." LMAO what?!
[21:45:29] <michealpwalls> That's not right. Anyone pay much attention to that missing Malaysian plane "story" ? hehe
[21:45:46] <michealpwalls> hahaha will-it-play-crysis-though
[21:48:29] <n1> Malaysian investigators never claimed to be right or truthful
[21:48:41] <michealpwalls> heh!
[21:48:41] <n1> that doesnt mean they dont make statements though
[21:48:58] <michealpwalls> Indeed.. Certainly this can't be a factual retelling of this story :/
[21:49:07] <michealpwalls> None of it makes sense, speaking purely from a technical point of view hehe.
[21:49:25] <n1> i was following it for a while but really gave up
[21:49:41] <n1> too much information with little basis, too much stalling from malaysian government and other governments
[21:49:57] <n1> the full story, or even part of the story will probably never fully be known
[21:50:08] <n1> the official account will be one vague thing
[21:51:19] <michealpwalls> Yea, I pretty much had the same opinion. I have only just recently paid any attention to it hehe
[21:52:13] <NezSez> the official account , judging from past announcements, will sound like something from Onion Network News
[21:52:54] <n1> lol
[21:52:58] <n1> i think you might be right
[21:53:00] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:53:13] <michealpwalls> "Apparently the flight never took off to begin with. Go figure!"
[21:53:14] <michealpwalls> LOL
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[21:54:31] <NezSez> "Some psuedo authority says that that one aircraft, that may or may not have departed that one country, may or may not still be"
[21:56:20] <michealpwalls> hah
[21:56:30] <arti> damn, that's awesome
[21:56:35] <arti> "something occured!"
[21:58:12] <NezSez> according to someone, yes :)
[22:02:15] <Bytram> I see it now!
[22:02:29] <Bytram> oops, wrong channel.
[22:02:53] <n1> heh
[22:03:58] <Cyprus> yeah, it's pretty clear they're covering something up
[22:04:13] <Cyprus> probably just their own incompetence
[22:06:48] <n1> malaysia was witholding information from the start
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[22:06:57] <n1> but then so were other nations because of national security concerns
[22:07:05] <n1> ie, not wanting other nations to know their radar capabilities
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[22:18:48] <Blackmoore> and malaysia covering up for some kind of in-flight accident
[22:19:11] <Blackmoore> to keep the survivors from sueing
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