#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-09
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[23:59:40] <Cyprus> I'm not sure that's how that works...
[23:58:55] * Landon proceeds to scan passport and shred it
[23:58:47] <Landon> ordered a document scanner and shredder
[23:58:40] <Landon> on the first step to a paperless life
[23:58:34] <Landon> woot
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[23:01:35] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Dutch to Build 3D-Printed Building - http://sylnt.us - got-to-start-somewhere
[22:44:53] <Blackmoore> @andy I think I can pick up a nice fresh catfish. those have some good sized pins in the fins.
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[22:33:46] <Blackmoore> (you thought you had security? nah, the NSA says you cant have that)
[22:33:37] <MrBluze> ;)
[22:33:02] <Blackmoore> I'll save the lynching for RSA.
[22:32:40] <Blackmoore> nah. just a bitch slap with a large fish, and a painful reminder of what it feels to be violated
[22:31:30] <MrBluze> and.. lynch him?
[22:25:12] <Blackmoore> all we need now it the guy who put that in the slashcode
[22:23:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> your devious plan to inflict maximum fish-related anal damage has my full support.
[22:23:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> hm
[22:22:58] <FoobarBazbot_> bassackwards?
[22:22:52] <Blackmoore> no, i want it to hurt more when they try to get it out
[22:22:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> backwards.
[22:22:02] <Blackmoore> and then stuff it up thier ass.
[22:21:53] * AndyTheAbsurd gives Blackmoore a bass
[22:21:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> or whatever fish is handy
[22:21:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> slap them in the face with a flounder
[22:21:34] <FoobarBazbot_> because /code doesn't yet have a proper "sticky" functionality
[22:21:18] <Blackmoore> gah.. portscanning.. in th DB code. someone deserves a face slap and a /port/ scanning
[22:20:58] <FoobarBazbot_> Actually, I believe it's being manually pushed up each time
[22:20:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> For a minute I thought that bug that was being discussed yesterday was back.
[22:19:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh, you made the "Call for Suggestions for Site Name Vote" be sticky.
[22:19:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> ....
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[22:02:50] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - F%1&£@! Unbelievable: Slashcode Portscanning Disabled - http://sylnt.us - seething-with-anger
[21:51:44] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - F@@@@@@ Unbelievable: Slashcode Portscanning Disabled - http://sylnt.us - seething-with-anger
[21:48:38] <Cyprus> well not the dbi, but in the db area
[21:48:07] <Cyprus> rofl it's in the DBI code
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[21:31:27] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Fucking Unbelievable: Slashcode Portscanning Disabled - http://sylnt.us - seething-with-anger
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[21:01:34] <Blackmoore> that makes sense.
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[20:54:14] <chromas> I think somebody mentioned you have to be registered with nickserv for it to work
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[20:53:21] <chromas> Oh, open proxy test
[20:53:16] <Blackmoore> the quote function doesnt work for me either. - i assumed you have to be approved to use the commands
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[20:52:35] <chromas> /. itself has an ok.txt. Does it mean something?
[20:52:22] <Gerbilius> karma - bacon: 212
[20:52:22] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[20:51:59] <Blackmoore> I think the bot just doesnt recognize everyone
[20:51:33] <Blackmoore> !karma bacon
[20:50:33] <chromas> Just checking. That was copy/paste from AndyTheAbsurd to see if it had Unicode or something
[20:50:22] <NCommander> chromas, if port 80, 8080, 3123 or 8000 is open, then it looks for a file called ok.txt
[20:50:17] <Gerbilius> karma of ncommander is 17
[20:50:17] <chromas> !karma ncommander
[20:49:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Given that I spent almost 10 years in a QA role, that wouldn't surprise me...
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[20:49:41] <chromas> NCommander: is it checking for anything specific? Like Tor?
[20:49:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> see? it HATES me. Or I'm really good at making bugs in software appear.
[20:49:11] <Gerbilius> karma of ncommander is 17
[20:49:11] <chromas> !karma ncommander
[20:48:58] <chromas> At least it's not portscanning you
[20:48:56] <mattie_p> maybe because you're not voiced?
[20:48:51] <mattie_p> or, maybe not
[20:48:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> nope, Gerbilius STILL hates me. Or has idiotic bugs.
[20:48:28] <mattie_p> querying karma is case sensitive, but adding or subtracting karma strips caps
[20:48:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> !karma ncommander
[20:48:15] <NCommander> Guess what slash was doing up until 5 minutes ago
[20:48:06] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I don't think you ever wrote automatic port scanning of your users
[20:48:06] <chromas> Lower case
[20:48:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> case-sensitive?
[20:47:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> ????
[20:47:43] <Gerbilius> karma of ncommander is 17
[20:47:43] <mattie_p> !karma ncommander
[20:47:40] <mattie_p> hrm
[20:47:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Everyone hates idiotic bugs. I hate them most when I wrote them.
[20:47:14] <Gerbilius> karma of bacon is 211
[20:47:14] <NCommander> !karma bacon
[20:47:04] * NCommander hates idiotic bugs
[20:47:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gerbilius doesn't like me :(
[20:46:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> !karma NCommander
[20:46:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> neat, will have to remember that
[20:46:24] <mattie_p> there you go
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[20:46:10] <Gerbilius> karma of mattie_p is 15
[20:46:10] <mattie_p> !karma mattie_p
[20:45:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> is there a way to ask Gerbilius how much karma some[one|thing] has?
[20:41:49] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - iPad Success for Canadian Newspaper - http://sylnt.us - dead-trees-are-dead-to-newspapers
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[20:22:57] <Blackmoore> minimal controls, high replay cvalue
[20:22:27] <Blackmoore> something retro about it. and frankly the type of game that work as an ap lean heavily back to the old 8-bit style games
[20:21:31] <Blackmoore> as a matter of fact i was planning on NES or SNES like graphics on my games
[20:21:05] <Blackmoore> I like the idea!
[20:14:43] <TK> Once it becomes fashionable, you can sell them the same game three times: one for the NES, one for the 2600, and one for the Coleco Vision
[20:13:51] <TK> You're marketing to the 20-30 year old demographic
[20:13:26] <TK> But you would have to start with the NES, or it won't catch on
[20:13:08] <TK> @Blackmore, I think that could be the new mobile games fad: new games made to look old
[20:12:27] <Gerbilius> karma - bathroom: 1
[20:12:27] <TK> bathroom++
[20:11:03] <Blackmoore> and i need another cup. even if this stuff is trying to eat through me.
[20:10:39] <Gerbilius> karma - coffee: 14
[20:10:39] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[20:10:03] <Teckla> TK: Why thank you!
[20:05:27] <Gerbilius> karma - dentonj: -1
[20:05:27] <TK> dentonj--
[20:05:04] <dentonj> :P
[20:04:59] <dentonj> dentonj++
[20:03:42] <Gerbilius> karma - teckla: 1
[20:03:42] <TK> Teckla++
[20:02:21] <Blackmoore> *nods* yup.
[19:56:40] <Teckla> Ah, yes. E.T. As kids, we called it, "E.T.: The Extra Testicle."
[19:45:31] <Blackmoore> ah old school 6502 Asm
[19:45:05] <Blackmoore> new game on old system.. i guess that works too
[19:44:47] <Blackmoore> @TK https://github.com
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[19:24:30] <Blackmoore|lunch> @NC make one spelling misteak...
[19:22:32] <TK> and quitting out of frustration five minutes later
[19:22:21] <TK> If I wasn't at work, I'd be playing right now
[19:21:46] <TK> http://coolrom.com.au
[19:20:48] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Cooking with Beer is a Good Idea - http://sylnt.us - beer-and-bbq
[19:17:31] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - turns out mass moderation on polls is a bad idea :-P
[19:17:09] <Blackmoore|lunch> https://archive.org
[19:13:36] <TK> They don't have the actual game, just an info page. https://archive.org
[19:08:24] <Blackmoore|lunch> @TK https://archive.org
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[18:48:10] <TK> I guess I'll go check out some rom sites to see if someone's got one
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[18:29:39] <Blackmoore> @TK i can't think of any less functional that data scraped off a rom that had been burried for 20-30 years
[18:24:12] <NCommander> (irritating, but this is really really really stupid code)
[18:24:03] <NCommander> Cyprus, when paulej72 or I fixed the backend properly, we're going to nuke the table again
[18:23:50] <NCommander> Cyprus, we've got the mismatch fixed so the data written out will be valid
[18:23:27] <NCommander> TK, 7 days
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[18:14:58] <Cyprus> is it safe to even click save on that page now? i dont want to lose half the articles again
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[18:14:32] <Cyprus> i completely glossed over that in the article
[18:14:23] <Cyprus> so, i feel bad, but the only reason i noticed that "willing to vote" option, was you guys just discussing it
[18:11:56] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Snowden Testimony to Council of Europe - http://sylnt.us - nothing-new-here
[18:05:02] <TK> When does the voting email go out?
[18:04:54] <TK> >10%?
[18:02:58] <NCommander> */troll*
[18:02:56] * NCommander notes we might have better voter turn out than the US :-)
[18:02:05] <NCommander> wow
[18:02:04] <NCommander> count(*): 330
[18:02:04] <NCommander> *************************** 1. row ***************************
[18:02:04] <NCommander> mysql> select count(*) from users where willing_to_vote != 0\G
[17:59:34] <TK> The point isn't a game that's fun or easy to play, or even one that's functiional. The point is to be seen playing it
[17:51:28] <Blackmoore> http://whateverblog.dallasnews.com
[17:50:01] <Blackmoore> I think there's a landfill you'll want - if you are going for ironic
[17:49:21] <Blackmoore> @TK you can keep that idea. I played ET. i have even seen a "repaired" edition (you dont fall in pits as easy) game is so much crap..
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[17:23:22] <TK> Wait, don't do that, that's my idea! Give it back!
[17:23:11] <TK> Then get people to play it "ironically"
[17:22:58] <TK> You should port the Atari ET game to iOS
[17:22:34] <TK> less sure about pitfall
[17:22:30] <TK> I'm sure there a a million different versions of breakout
[17:19:10] <Blackmoore> and I'm sure someone would buy another revision of breakout.
[17:18:44] <Blackmoore> who wouldnt want to play "pitfall!" with new graphics?
[17:18:10] <Blackmoore> and I figure - I have experience in writing OLD games.. so..
[17:17:35] <Blackmoore> yep. a lot of the game apps are just repackaging of older games
[17:16:42] <Blackmoore> @TK yeah. i cant watch it here but crutchy's link was to someone getting a 999 in flappy birds.
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[17:01:53] <TK> I remember when that game was called helicopter.
[17:01:35] <TK> Blackmore: is that what the video crutchy posted is?
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[16:30:40] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - A New Politics Built on Free Software Ideals? - http://sylnt.us - GNU-is-Not-Utopia
[16:28:24] <Teckla> This is really funny: http://www.motherjones.com
[16:27:08] <Blackmoore> because if this crap can bring in a dollar adownload. I wont need a day job
[16:26:36] <Blackmoore> the reason i am geting back into dev.
[16:25:29] <Blackmoore> ah flappy birds.
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[16:19:03] <Subsentient> night'
[16:16:44] <TK> Gonna need more details, skip
[16:15:36] <crutchy|zzz> holy shit is this real: https://www.youtube.com
[16:15:14] <Blackmoore> morning
[16:14:02] <NCommander> morning
[16:11:00] <Bytram> TK: glad it's working for you!
[16:09:57] <TK> that statement*
[16:09:48] <TK> Maybe I should add a second set of quotation marks to the statement
[16:09:24] <TK> Good to know it's "fixed forever" though
[16:08:15] <TK> For me, resetting my preferences to default worked
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[16:08:00] <TK> since about 2pm yesterday when I read the github error page
[16:07:46] <TK> oh yeah
[16:07:08] <Blackmoore> that damn heartbleed. (read the text under the comic)
[16:06:44] <Blackmoore> http://xkcd.com
[15:56:33] * Subsentient thinks he fixed it
[15:56:21] <Bytram> kobach: g'mornin
[15:56:16] * Subsentient has been having a hard time with case sensitivity in channel parsing for aqu4bot
[15:55:42] <kobach> hi Bytram
[15:55:00] <Bytram> TK: are things working okay for you now?
[15:54:42] <Bytram> Subsentient: no worries!
[15:54:18] <Bytram> separately, the typo in the Mazda sorty should be fixed soon; s/Maza/Mazda/
[15:54:08] <Subsentient> Bytram: sry
[15:53:21] <Bytram> Subsentient: ???
[15:52:59] <Blackmoore> yeah. too damn early
[15:52:59] <Subsentient> $commands
[15:52:36] <Bytram> Blackmoore: sorry, I should have been direecting my comments to TK; I plead under-caffienation :/
[15:52:18] <Blackmoore> I dont have anyone unselected.
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[15:51:58] <Blackmoore> NC nuked that data and reset everyone to see "all" for now - (people who had on purpose turned an author off will have to fix that)
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[15:51:39] <Bytram> Blackmoore: do you have any authors not checked? I see 7 authors listed and have them all checked.
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[15:51:07] <Blackmoore> it seems that that info was getting corpted in the DB
[15:50:40] <Blackmoore> if all the authors are checked that should be it
[15:49:32] <Bytram> Blackmoore: does that help?
[15:49:01] <Bytram> Just checked my settings; it shows that I have ALL of the authors checked. Also, fwiw, I am currently running with JavaScript disabled.
[15:46:06] <Bytram> take a look at: http://soylentnews.org "Broken Homepage Issues Partially Resolved"
[15:46:03] <Blackmoore> now if it wasnt for the vote i wouldnt even have that link
[15:45:37] <Blackmoore> http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:21] <Bytram> still looking
[15:45:17] <Bytram> I don't think I have any author checkboxes ticked, though.
[15:45:08] <TK> I see the story from ncommander
[15:44:58] <Bytram> okay, fwiw, I just refreshed the main page in my browser and DID see the just-posted article about how charge transfer works.
[15:44:53] <Blackmoore> the fix was to reset that under the hood -
[15:44:20] <Blackmoore> I do too;
[15:43:56] <TK> I still have author checkboxes on my preference page
[15:43:39] <Bytram> there was a post on the main page about it, I think... hold on.
[15:43:16] <Blackmoore> yeah, I think NC squashed that yesterday
[15:42:43] <TK> Any word on the "new stories not showing up for logged in users" bug?
[15:42:17] <TK> mornin
[15:42:03] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Discover how Charge Transfer Works - http://sylnt.us - it's-Electric
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[15:37:29] <Bytram> morning!
[15:35:34] <Blackmoore> mornin
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[14:52:17] <crutchy> .op
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[14:00:48] <Gerbilius> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[14:00:47] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Spider Webs Force Mazda Recall - http://sylnt.us - powered-by-spiders
[14:00:44] <Gerbilius> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[14:00:43] <Subsentient> Gerbilius: help
[13:59:56] * Subsentient just realized how creepy that actually is
[13:59:23] <MrBluze> a soylent onion
[13:58:49] * Subsentient wants the topic to be "Moooom! There's a talking onion in the toilet!"
[13:36:00] <MrBluze> yum
[13:34:37] <crutchy> making some tucker
[13:34:34] <crutchy> not bad
[13:31:48] <MrBluze> hows things
[13:31:41] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[13:30:10] <SedBot> <crutchy> hey mrbluze
[13:30:10] <crutchy> s/blue/bluze/
[13:30:01] <crutchy> hey mrblue
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[13:24:16] <MrBluze> yummy scrumptious bacon
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[12:41:47] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Ends Support for Windows XP - http://sylnt.us - have-things-really-improved
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[11:30:54] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - The Most Painful Places To Be Stung - http://sylnt.us - good-to-nose
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[11:10:59] <crutchy> realmenuse.org is available :-P
[11:10:49] <crutchy> hahaha
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[10:34:27] <combatserver> Perhaps someone is simply using his old blog as a means to implement that vulnerability.
[10:33:17] <combatserver> ...that hanging bit of URL being the "crafted string"?
[10:32:43] <combatserver> I did, however find this...It might explain the weird re-direct behavior you saw earlier, MrBluze: http://www.cvedetails.com
[10:31:33] <moo_kuh> name suggestion: www.newsdotorg.net
[10:27:23] <combatserver> Hrmm...That wordpress blog was abandoned. He isn't even using it anymore. He has his own non-wordpress blog and he removed all of the trackers/clickfarmers from it.
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[10:12:27] <combatserver> As for the link itself, the guy that runs that blog seems to have gone into the business of farming clicks with numerous blogs and other sites. If there was any monkey-business going on, it probably came from his direction.
[10:08:20] <combatserver> Too bad the dive-boat business didn't work out--it looked like a hell of a way to spend ones days.
[10:05:48] <combatserver> As such, I concur--the link weirdness is more than likely Slashcode bugginess.
[10:05:04] <combatserver> ...consultant (my guess, IT security, based on previous experience). Regardless, the content of that link should have been a red-flag for the Editors, and the alteration to the link should have been done BEFORE it made it to the front page.
[10:05:03] <combatserver> MrBluze: I did what I do best and researched a bit--The guy (egp) that posted that article about SQL injection is harmless. He is an ex-programmer (no obvious ties to evil corporations), that appears to have dropped the IT market for being a scuba Dive-boat captain (thus his homepage being a flyer to sell his dive-boat) and now works for Burlington Northern Santa Fe railways as a software...
[09:51:39] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - Low Fertility Improves Descendant Socioeconomic Position but Reduces Long Term Fitness - http://sylnt.us - either-way-we're-screwed
[09:51:06] <combatserver> I see you read my post about "Royal Concierge"
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[09:43:53] <MrBluze> .. you'll know they have succeeded when a plane full of the executive members of NETmundial crashes in the ocean
[09:42:53] <MrBluze> WikiLeaks release: Internet governance body trying to stop NSA surveillance
[09:34:45] * MrBluze summons him
[09:30:17] * arti doesn't have enough mana to summon him
[09:29:57] <swiss> lol
[09:29:43] <arti> we need alberto
[09:29:24] <swiss> i'm not actually doing it for work, they don't pay me to be a RE
[09:29:06] <swiss> i'll give you the payload and decoder if you want to have a crack at it
[09:28:21] <arti> also, sounds like a fun challenge
[09:28:14] <swiss> huh?
[09:28:04] <arti> better pay :D
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[09:27:43] <swiss> when did malware devs get this smart
[09:27:33] <swiss> this Zeus GameOver stuff is pretty damned crazy
[09:27:18] <swiss> yeah
[09:27:12] <arti> ownedpress
[09:27:05] <arti> heh
[09:26:48] <swiss> but i confirmed that the C2 server (more like payload storage server) was compromised through out of date wordpress
[09:26:27] <swiss> i don't really do it at night
[09:26:05] <arti> how is the malware analysis coming along?
[09:25:51] * arti belches hello
[09:25:30] <swiss> wat
[09:17:04] <arti> NSA is the "new" trump
[09:16:46] <SedBot> <arti> but you did stay at a holiday inn express last night?
[09:16:46] <arti> s/holliday/holiday/
[09:16:30] <arti> but you did stay at a holliday inn express last night?
[08:51:40] <MrBluze> i dont do malware analysis .. just ... yup.. to the topic
[08:51:15] <MrBluze> yup
[08:37:00] <swiss> anyone else in here do malware analysis?
[08:36:14] <chromas> You could change all links to the text-only google cache :)
[08:35:53] <swiss> speaking of danger, that new GameOver varient sucks
[08:35:20] <combatserver> That would be an excellent response. Let it all in, if any of it is dangerous, reject the article.
[08:34:52] <MrBluze> so potential for damage is mitigated
[08:34:44] <MrBluze> i will discuss possibility of doing editing in a vm
[08:34:33] <swiss> pft, the nsa doesn't care that much about my data
[08:34:32] <MrBluze> good points combatserver
[08:33:58] <chromas> http://swiss.cloudbackups.nsa
[08:33:49] <swiss> also, i'm moreso talking about how their systems (while they might sneak off data) keep my data more effectively than any i've set up myself
[08:33:42] <combatserver> Editors should also be following links in submissions with zero script protections--if they can't handle the heat, don't invite anyone into the kitchen. Know what I mean?
[08:33:23] <swiss> chromas: i'll ask nicely :P
[08:32:56] <chromas> swiss: Do you think they'll send you a copy if you need it?
[08:32:48] <MrBluze> the data is innert, but it can get u in trouble
[08:32:41] <MrBluze> its incrimination that is the problem
[08:32:21] <chromas> NSA is the new Ceiling Cat
[08:32:20] <swiss> MrBluze: meh, my data is worth more to me than anyone else, i don't care if they have it if it means I don't lose it :P
[08:32:19] <MrBluze> anyway thing is u r right, combatserver - browsers of sites have to be careful on links they click, we should not be tripping people over if we can avoid it
[08:31:58] <swiss> chromas: thanks
[08:31:42] <MrBluze> swiss: .. OSX currenly, a bit like MS, deliberately collects your user data and stores it for ages and ages
[08:31:41] <chromas> swiss: http://soylentnews.org
[08:31:35] <combatserver> Well, Edward Snowden gave us all an out--we can now just claim the NSA did it, or anyone else for that matter.
[08:31:32] <chromas> It's at the bottom of the page
[08:31:21] <swiss> i couldn't easily find it
[08:31:19] <swiss> chromas: what's the url
[08:31:11] <chromas> swiss: Yeah
[08:30:59] <swiss> MrBluze: huh?
[08:30:38] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - New Violins Chosen Over Stradivarius in Blind Test - http://sylnt.us - music-to-our-ears
[08:30:29] <MrBluze> this is why apple having time machine automatically running on your hdd and keeping a history of all activity going back who knows how long, is dodgy
[08:30:27] <swiss> btw, does soylent have an rss feed
[08:30:04] * MrBluze nods
[08:25:39] <combatserver> Like I said earlier, not much different than lugging around kiddy-porn on a laptop, as far as the authorities are concerned. Precisely why I screamed fire when I noticed it.
[08:24:31] <combatserver> That's not the point--authorities can use it against anyone carrying it.
[08:24:02] <chromas> That how-to page is from 2012. Who wants to 'test' if the NPTEL site has been fixed? :)
[08:23:28] <combatserver> Well, it ripped an xkcd comic and taped it to the top of the article.
[08:22:52] <combatserver> same, but it still loaded everything I needed to know about hacking the National Programme on Technology Enhanced Learning webpage
[08:22:43] <chromas> Kind of funny that slash wraps the <wbr> tag in <nobr> tags
[08:22:09] <chromas> noscript here
[08:21:57] <combatserver> It didn't actually go to xkcd, it went to the link in my post. (might not want to actually go to that link with scripts running).
[08:21:19] <combatserver> But still read xkcd
[08:21:05] <combatserver> It looked exactly like the one in my post, minus the break.
[08:20:36] <combatserver> So the only sources to look at would be the original submission, and perhaps my post where I copy-pasted it.
[08:20:30] <chromas> I never saw it there. I was only looking at the one in your comment
[08:20:00] <combatserver> Kind of pointless looking at elements for the article as it stands--the original link has been removed.
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[08:15:15] <MrBluze> brb
[08:13:20] <chromas> It always seems to be followed by punctuation, like colons or slashes or dots
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[08:11:35] <MrBluze> yeah i think it is a link processing bug in slash
[08:11:17] <chromas> You can find them all over the cyan site: (view source) http://news.slashdot.org
[08:11:15] <combatserver> viewing...
[08:10:55] <MrBluze> view the soure
[08:10:53] <combatserver> ahh...ok.
[08:10:52] <MrBluze> but there's no package
[08:10:42] <combatserver> So, visually, as it is displayed, it appears unbroken as a result of the nobr bookends, with a hidden package in themiddle.
[08:10:42] <MrBluze> word break .. wbr
[08:09:56] <MrBluze> yes
[08:09:43] <combatserver> nobr = no break, correct?
[08:09:15] <MrBluze> wbr i dunno
[08:08:58] <combatserver> I'm not a coder...what does wb refer to?
[08:08:53] <MrBluze> some how the link u pasted might have had a character that was illegal and it killed your link
[08:08:23] <MrBluze> the nobr / wb / nobr sequence i saw before
[08:07:23] <combatserver> I've come across transparency-adjusted fonts, but that wouldn't explain slashcode appending it twice.
[08:05:51] <combatserver> If that's the case, it would have truly broken the link. It just did it VISUALLY?
[08:05:14] <combatserver> It just added spaces?
[08:05:00] <MrBluze> i dont think so hmm well
[08:04:54] <combatserver> Hrmm....whitespace? Elaborate?
[08:04:25] <combatserver> Did you ever figure out what caused it?
[08:04:13] <MrBluze> some weird whitespace crap put in the html
[08:04:07] <MrBluze> ive seen this before on slash
[08:03:54] <combatserver> That's what worries me.
[08:03:45] <combatserver> Whatever was left hanging is...well, no clue.
[08:03:16] <combatserver> The Slashcode response to that link--appending two portions of it, redundantly--would indicate that the second portion was the injection/split URL, as the first portion does it's job as expected.
[08:01:31] <MrBluze> well i havent looked at logs or anything as i am not sys
[08:01:06] <combatserver> afayk
[08:00:49] <MrBluze> there has been a fair bit of work put into safeguarding the server and afaik there hasnt been anything unusual happening
[08:00:21] <combatserver> If so, that would make SN the target, not users.
[08:00:17] <MrBluze> well the possibility of it
[08:00:10] <MrBluze> as i recall the sql injection problem was looked into in slash
[07:59:55] <MrBluze> hmm
[07:58:50] <combatserver> Could they have possibly used the link as an injection in the submission form?
[07:56:44] <MrBluze> so the issue is more the nature of the link
[07:56:34] <MrBluze> it does look like a redirect
[07:54:05] <combatserver> Dude, if I had access and knowhow, I'd be looking into it myself, but I don't and I don't. And I would have done so before even mentioning it here.
[07:53:06] <combatserver> It seems odd that both things would show up in the same submission.
[07:51:48] <MrBluze> however linking to something that encourages u to do naughty stuff at a known target is .. naughty
[07:51:33] <MrBluze> proofs etc
[07:51:30] <MrBluze> but our paranoia must be backed by some kind of evidence
[07:50:56] <MrBluze> possibly...
[07:50:01] <combatserver> I just tried to find that same article again--no dice.
[07:49:19] <combatserver> You know, I was just recently hearing something about URL splitting, where the URL actually links to two URLs, one being hidden from the browser, but still loaded into memory. Perhaps this?
[07:49:06] <chromas> Well you need at least one letter or it shows everything from that day
[07:48:12] <chromas> You can take off the whole thing after the date in that link, combatserver
[07:47:23] <combatserver> Why does Slashcode append the hanging portion? It isn't even a functional link.
[07:46:52] <MrBluze> ive seen it b4
[07:46:32] <combatserver> Odd thing is, even though it appears broken, the first fragment still works fine.
[07:46:07] <combatserver> Any way to investigate what happened to that link in my post in the SQL thread? I've NEVER seen Slashcode break a link like that, so it must be something with the link itself.
[07:43:07] <combatserver> Thank you.
[07:43:00] <MrBluze> i will be discussing the links checking issue, i assure u of that.
[07:41:42] <combatserver> Well, thankfully, I didn't run any scripts there, but I bet some did.
[07:41:37] <MrBluze> brb :)
[07:41:20] <MrBluze> otherwise u might as well go take a ladyboy in bankok without protection
[07:40:56] <MrBluze> they need to follow the links on noscript enabled tor imho
[07:40:46] <MrBluze> yes
[07:40:39] <combatserver> The Editors are the frontline defense against this--they need to follow every single link, and even pay attention to the link on THOSE pages.
[07:40:07] <MrBluze> dont get me wrong on that :)
[07:40:01] <MrBluze> combatserver: ... i am hearing u
[07:39:18] <combatserver> It's a standard MO in psy/ops. Main reason I left Slashdot is because I didn't trust them anymore. Someone is doing the same thing here.
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[07:37:50] <combatserver> Man, I hate to be negative here, but you guys are being seriously naive about this. It's called a Death-of-a-thousand-cuts. Little efforts, that individually mean little to most, yet add up to a fatal blow to reputation.
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[07:32:15] <SedBot> <NightHawk> We're not exactly selling it
[07:32:15] <NightHawk> s/not/not exactly/
[07:31:58] <NightHawk> We're not selling it
[07:31:30] <combatserver> I don't buy it. The submitter obviously used a throw-away account. His "homepage" is a boat ad and he has submitted more than posted...a whopping three times.
[07:29:48] <arti> it's all a matter of perspective
[07:29:36] <NightHawk> This is the internet, sometimes bad stuff happens. Chill-out :-D
[07:28:45] * NightHawk didn't realise tinfoil hats were still in fasion!
[07:27:56] <combatserver> IMHO, It's an intentional effort to ruin the credibility of SoylentNews, and SET UP it users.
[07:23:57] <combatserver> It's no different than loading a kiddie-porn website link on the front page.
[07:23:19] <combatserver> ...hack a Indian government-funded agencies website. Guess who ain't catching his flight home?
[07:23:18] <combatserver> Let me put this in perspective--Imagine some dude sitting in the Mumbai airport, waiting for a flight to the US. While there he goes to SN on his laptop and follows that link in the SQL injection article, loading it into cache and his browser history. As most airports do, security claims the right to search digital devices, and does so. On his computer they find EXACT INSTRUCTIONS on how to...
[07:20:49] <combatserver> <---wirebrushed cache
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[07:16:30] <NCommander> paulej72, k, sleep well
[07:13:59] <paulej72> NCommander: I look at it tomorrow as i really need to get to bed
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[07:10:25] * NCommander fiddles a bit more
[07:10:20] <NCommander> SO
[07:10:19] <NCommander> But we want this on all emails
[07:10:15] <NCommander> due to MAGIC
[07:10:13] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, its only getting selectively added
[07:10:03] <paulej72> Daily newsletter did not have double footer
[07:09:38] <NCommander> paulej72, *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*
[07:09:24] <NCommander> paulej72, its only getting added to some messages
[07:08:46] <Gerbilius> Added quote 106
[07:08:46] <paulej72> !grab NCommander
[07:08:12] <NCommander> Fuck
[07:08:09] <NCommander> Stand by
[07:08:07] <NCommander> paulej72, wait
[07:07:49] <NCommander> paulej72, the footer was actually already there; it was getting double sent
[07:07:27] <paulej72> NCommander: did you add the email footter to some template? as the commit had all deletes and only one smaill blank line addition
[07:04:47] <NCommander> paulej72, https://github.com
[07:04:28] <combatserver> It's a content issue, not technical. It's also a legal issue.
[07:04:06] <MrBluze> bit of a shady poster
[07:03:53] <MrBluze> ill chat with mrcoolbp about it .. its a good point
[07:03:36] <combatserver> Dude, you can't go loading maybes like that on the front page.
[07:03:36] <MrBluze> and i rtfa
[07:03:36] <MrBluze> well .. i dunno i try to check all the links out in a safe browser before i go ahead
[07:03:15] <MrBluze> maybe
[07:03:03] <combatserver> Anyone with that shit in their cache could be held criminally liable, in multiple jurisdictions.
[07:02:12] <combatserver> That should never have made it to the front page.
[07:02:08] <MrBluze> its a bit illegal i guess .. in many countries
[07:02:07] <NCommander> paulej72, ok, my branch seems to work fully, stand by for pull request
[07:01:58] <MrBluze> yes
[07:01:40] <combatserver> Did you take a look at that blog, MrBluze?
[07:01:12] <crutchy> a bug in slash!?
[07:00:53] <NCommander> paulej72, so, found a bug, AC posts don't generate comment notification :-)
[07:00:33] <MrBluze> after posting
[07:00:31] <paulej72> NCommander: formkeys has its own rate limiting I think
[06:59:44] <crutchy> so true
[06:59:38] <crutchy> rofl: http://xkcd.com
[06:59:36] <NCommander> paulej72, it appears by fixing form keys, we brought back rate limiting
[06:59:35] <combatserver> Or after posting?
[06:59:30] <combatserver> After submission?
[06:59:20] <combatserver> later than what? It hasn't even been up that long.
[06:58:53] <MrBluze> 4 hours later someone did that
[06:58:50] <crutchy> was it natalie portman?
[06:58:47] <combatserver> Ask them why they changed it.
[06:58:22] <MrBluze> yeah i can see who did it
[06:58:20] <combatserver> mrcoolbp didn't do it?
[06:57:45] <combatserver> You have no way of finding out who modified that one link? It was done AFTER it went to the frontpage.
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[06:57:18] <crutchy> except for bacon of course
[06:57:04] <crutchy> like the chewy beef that makes up all matter
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[06:56:35] <MrBluze> well i don't discount any weird thing - weird stuff is what fact is made up of
[06:56:12] <combatserver> And it shows up in an article ABOUT SQL injections? Dont you find that a little odd?
[06:55:32] <MrBluze> we had some sql problem early on in this saga
[06:55:24] <crutchy> you took the blue pill didn't you mrbluze
[06:55:20] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to have a branch for you in a few mintues
[06:55:19] <combatserver> Don't tease me, MrBluze. What?
[06:55:08] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[06:54:52] * MrBluze is sensing some de ja vu
[06:54:33] <combatserver> But before that, it was a link to a wordpress site, but the link was broken up just link an SQL injection would be. Even Slashcode caught it.
[06:54:09] * crutchy is on xkcd now
[06:54:09] <MrBluze> the article has been edited many times
[06:54:04] <crutchy> ooh which one
[06:53:42] <combatserver> Its just an xkcd link now.
[06:53:26] <combatserver> It has evolved--nothing left to see.
[06:53:13] <crutchy> where can i see this evolving link?
[06:52:57] <MrBluze> ah see.. gimme a sec
[06:52:48] <combatserver> Who changed it?
[06:52:22] <combatserver> The next point.....why did the link in the ARTCLE suddenly change from that wordpress blog, to the actual XKCD link?
[06:52:20] <Cyprus> i only see the correct link
[06:52:16] <Cyprus> am i missing something?
[06:51:53] <combatserver> Which means Slashcode sees two different parts, neither of which is valid.
[06:51:41] <crutchy> imagines ncommander being the guy they're talking about in that last xkcd
[06:51:33] <MrBluze> and it redirects
[06:51:29] <MrBluze> hmm the html shows the broken link, and u click it (there is no js involved)
[06:51:23] <Gerbilius> [SoylentNews] - If You've Done No Wrong, You've Nothing To Fear. - http://sylnt.us - unless-you-are-LE-of-course
[06:51:16] <crutchy> lmao: https://xkcd.com
[06:50:52] <combatserver> Slashcode appends each link with a the top-level domain, for transparency. That link was split into two parts, and Slashcode appended each part.
[06:50:01] <MrBluze> ok im sort of following u but can u explain how he's done it?
[06:49:54] <NCommander> I thought we killed that
[06:49:51] <NCommander> Huh
[06:49:50] <NCommander> It's been 18 seconds since you last successfully posted a comment
[06:49:50] <NCommander> Dev.SN requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
[06:49:32] <combatserver> specifically, a SN comment filed...
[06:49:32] <MrBluze> ?
[06:49:28] <MrBluze> depends.. wordpress may have a plugin
[06:49:06] <combatserver> If it was a broken link, it never would have taken me to the wordpress blog. So why then did it show as a broken link when I cut-pasted it into a comment field?
[06:48:43] <MrBluze> to do an sql injection he'd need to be doing more than that
[06:48:28] <MrBluze> combatserver: i thought his page just redirects
[06:47:56] <crutchy> lol classic: http://xkcd.com
[06:46:05] <MrBluze> ok
[06:44:27] <NCommander> MrBluze, its not inject, just managed data
[06:44:21] <NCommander> MrBluze, pong
[06:44:17] <combatserver> That page he redirected to is a set-up. It's a clearly illegal act that page describes, IN DETAIL. And he is tricking people into loading it.
[06:42:53] <combatserver> his fucking webpage is a boat ad.
[06:42:42] <MrBluze> where is the sql injection occurring
[06:42:35] <MrBluze> hmm.. how though
[06:41:39] <MrBluze> NCommander: ping
[06:41:17] <combatserver> Dude, we just got pwned.
[06:40:45] <combatserver> Now look at the submitters profile: https://soylentnews.org
[06:40:33] <MrBluze> we should test that in a dev environment
[06:40:08] <MrBluze> hmmm
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[06:39:15] <crutchy> maybe someone was writing about fuel injection and someone did some sql injection to change it to sql injection :-P
[06:39:14] <combatserver> You see?
[06:39:03] <combatserver> The moment I clicked the link in the article, and loaded the wordpress blog, it changed the link in the article for me from the blog to xkcd.
[06:38:55] <MrBluze> oh..
[06:38:43] <MrBluze> it's a redirect
[06:38:01] <combatserver> I think it WAS an SQL injection.
[06:37:59] <MrBluze> okay
[06:37:41] <combatserver> Take the text from my post, and remove the tag added by SN, and reassemble the link. Take a look at it.
[06:36:51] <combatserver> I think it was more than that.
[06:36:03] <MrBluze> broken link
[06:35:52] <crutchy> ol' bobby tables strikes again
[06:34:48] <combatserver> Take a look at my post in the "SQL Injection Driven too Far?" article.....a CLOSE look.
[06:34:14] <MrBluze> wassup
[06:34:12] <MrBluze> <-- sort of editor
[06:34:01] <combatserver> Editors?
[06:33:55] <combatserver> Any devs on?
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[06:14:13] <crutchy> i did a trick too... i bailed on it :-D
[06:13:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I did some trick with a slashdot cookie months ago, so beta isn't an immediate worry :)
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[06:13:29] <NightHawk> http://slashdot.org
[06:12:40] <crutchy> ^^^
[06:12:34] <crutchy> http://slashdot.org
[06:12:33] <crutchy> lol
[06:11:26] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, wait... Mom?
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[06:10:30] <Blackmoore_> here you go. I'm sure she's on there someplace
[06:10:15] <Blackmoore_> http://renfaireboobs.com
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[06:09:38] <crutchy> you making me jealous
[06:09:24] <crutchy> tmi lol
[06:09:11] <Blackmoore_> well I think I'll go find a different sexy time.. the wife is upstairs.. g'night
[06:08:34] <Blackmoore_> :P
[06:05:34] <crutchy> ke?
[06:05:16] * SpallsHurgenson does a provactive dance
[06:04:34] <SpallsHurgenson> now for SEXYTIME!
[06:04:17] <SpallsHurgenson> well, that took far more effort than I anticipated.
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[05:51:00] <Blackmoore_> :)
[05:47:52] <SpallsHurgenson> Eureaka!
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[05:24:31] <Blackmoore_> @arti the painful thing for me is it has been so dmn long - it feels like i have to learn everything over. like i came back and even tho the words are englinsh the grammer changed completely
[05:21:48] <NightHawk> don't bing/google offer a search function that works off image files by now?
[05:21:48] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: look for unique phrase or two and search for it?
[05:21:35] <Blackmoore_> doh
[05:20:31] * SpallsHurgenson "borrowed" some work he found on the web for a project he is doing, with the intention of asking for permission later before I actually published (or, barring that replacing it with my own stuff)... except I forgot where I got it from so now I don't know who to ask :)
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[05:19:02] <Blackmoore_> @spalls it will get better. I'm sure we can find you some bacon
[05:18:28] <Blackmoore_> @arti - thanks, i was looking at head first java
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[05:08:58] * NightHawk hugs SpallsHurgenson, I know just how ya feel man *tears-up*
[04:56:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I wish I knew what I was looking for, that would make the search so much easier
[04:53:08] * NightHawk pokes SpallHurgenson,,, it'll be okay buddy, help is on the way
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[04:09:33] <arti> well i guess this is a non starter, do to you not being a starter
[04:09:19] <arti> http://programmers.stackexchange.com ?
[04:06:12] <Blackmoore_> Can anyone recommend a good book on Java? I'm trying to pick it up (after a long hiatus from dev)
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[03:34:18] <Blackmoore_> @cykros it is related to heartbleed. everyone is assuming the existing SSL is comprimised
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[03:15:29] <cykros> en masse
[03:15:26] <cykros> kind of had me worried for a second...not every day everyone changes their SSL certs
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[03:15:14] <cykros> ahh, okay, given which sites it's popping up on out of the known problem sites, i'm almost certain it's just a matter of patching holes
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[03:04:40] <cykros> i can only assume it's the reaction to the SSL flaw and heartbleed, but i kind of want to make sure i'm not under a mitm attack
[03:04:20] <cykros> and if so, have you too noticed a ton of new SSL certs today?
[03:04:07] <cykros> out of curiosity, does anyone here use CAPatrol?
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[02:04:58] <prospectacle> well, better go. Have a good time.
[02:04:29] <arti> yeah, it's a pretty cool book
[02:04:13] * arti is debugging some stuff
[02:03:37] <prospectacle> Reading that "effective javascript" book on amazon, thanks for the tip.
[02:00:24] <prospectacle> Or you have to stand in the stree with a sandwich board "I didn't range check my array parser and I allowed your memory to be injected with arbitrary code"
[02:00:17] <arti> make it so the jobs are highly prized then, "oodles of dollars for you sir"
[01:59:49] <prospectacle> yes that would be a good motivator.
[01:59:48] <arti> "4 hours of public shaming"
[01:59:34] <arti> just break out the stockades for developers :P
[01:58:30] <prospectacle> arti, your'e rigth that html isn't a programming language. I think the security principle is the same though, since the browser implements complex actions according to the html, and the specific html is not predictable.
[01:55:56] <arti> bugs are bugs, and this is due to mixing data and code
[01:55:29] <arti> correct, but formatting isn't code :P
[01:54:53] <prospectacle> arti, if there are bugs in the markup rendering/parsing system, you can potentially inject data or code where it's not wanted.
[01:54:17] <prospectacle> At hte pwntoown contests I believe css rendering bugs have been exploited, for example.
[01:54:17] * arti begins the holywar
[01:54:00] <arti> markup is not code :)
[01:53:51] <SedBot> <arti> coughs at pdf and flash
[01:53:51] <prospectacle> arti, well, loading any web page is executing code from somewhere else blindly. JS or no
[01:53:51] <arti> s/falsh/flash/
[01:53:45] * arti coughs at pdf and falsh
[01:53:19] <prospectacle> oops missed him again.
[01:52:55] <prospectacle> MrBluze, the web has lots of vulnerabilties, of course, because it's such a popular target, but I don't think js is worse than other aspects (css rendering, ssl, cross site request forgery, etc)
[01:52:27] * arti likes drag and drop image uploads
[01:52:15] <arti> its still not a good idea to execute code from somewhere else blindly, but yeah
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[01:51:33] <prospectacle> MrBluze, it's relatively secure these days. It's certainly one of the most examined and used sandboxes around, so it's getting pretty good.
[01:50:55] * arti salutes
[01:50:52] <arti> static pages for you, oh js? here's your interactive app
[01:50:51] <MrBluze> anyway bbl :) ciao
[01:50:44] <MrBluze> exactly
[01:50:40] * MrBluze nods
[01:50:35] <arti> well if you write the site properly you can do that
[01:50:11] <MrBluze> arti: that's why we need to have NO JS necessary .. but JS if you want, for luxury
[01:49:52] <MrBluze> but otherwise js is awesome
[01:49:51] <arti> that's why you do the menus through css >.>
[01:49:37] <MrBluze> javascript is a PITA when there are countless unknown exploits in the wild and enabling it for the simplest menu function means you become vulnerable
[01:49:26] * arti recommends effective javascript /book
[01:48:53] <prospectacle> javascript is awesome once you start to get into closures and prototypes
[01:48:46] <arti> c works the same way
[01:48:37] <prospectacle> yes, true. You have to learn a lot of what not to do.
[01:48:14] <arti> javascript is the same way, but you can make it sing
[01:48:06] <arti> it has a bunch of warts, no doubt
[01:48:01] <prospectacle> Yeah definitely excels at strings
[01:47:50] <prospectacle> Wanted to take the text of a short story and render it as a picture (fixed width font, colour each letter) that relates to that story. 20 lines of php on apache.
[01:47:45] <arti> especially for string stuff
[01:47:29] <arti> php is awesome
[01:47:20] <arti> i do lots of php myself
[01:47:17] <prospectacle> I had to go through a bunch of db files in a folder, open them, delete some indexes: did it in php running on apache.
[01:46:38] <prospectacle> I think I should learn some more languages. Stretch my brain. I've become institutionalised. I write virtually everything in php cause I know it so well.
[01:45:21] <arti> that's also on my list to scope out, and dart >.>
[01:45:04] <prospectacle> i saw one of those with golang the other day
[01:44:28] <arti> http://tryhaskell.org
[01:44:00] <prospectacle> cool it's got a live tutorial
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[01:41:49] <arti> seems like a hybrid, mostly functional with some throwbacks
[01:41:36] <arti> scope it
[01:41:34] <arti> http://fsharp.org
[01:41:24] * prospectacle remembers that wikipedia exists...
[01:38:55] <prospectacle> is f# a .net language?
[01:38:53] * arti in the end i opted for haskell
[01:38:41] <arti> seemed like a good mix, besides the whole CLR
[01:38:26] <arti> another lang was F#
[01:37:35] <prospectacle> yeah, javascript is funny about things that don't exist
[01:37:21] <arti> etc
[01:37:11] <arti> where blank is false, 0 is false, false is false
[01:36:51] <arti> the aha moment came when looking at how to create a type that works like javascript
[01:35:56] <arti> likewise
[01:35:43] <prospectacle> but I've never attempted it myself
[01:35:36] <prospectacle> I've heard the best way to learn string parsing is to write an interpreter for the language you're using to write the interpreter
[01:34:31] * arti wants to write a webservice backend in haskell
[01:34:14] <arti> in haskell
[01:34:03] <arti> i just like that since its type safe it catches a bunch of crap at compile time
[01:33:54] <prospectacle> string parsing in haskell or in general?
[01:33:17] <arti> im interested to get into string parsing, i need a better understand of monads
[01:32:54] * arti nods
[01:32:46] <prospectacle> yes it has a great many virtues. I'm just lazy and don't like telling the computer things it can work out for itself if it could just about be bothered.
[01:32:02] <arti> c has its uses, it's the most portable :D
[01:31:36] <arti> lots of boiler plate code
[01:31:23] <prospectacle> one thing I hate about c is having to specify a size for everything. If you can keep high performance while getting rid of that little requirement it would be a good thing.
[01:30:36] <prospectacle> cool thanks
[01:29:41] <arti> here's something http://lambda.jstolarek.com
[01:26:21] <arti> pretty awesome
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[01:26:12] <prospectacle> hmm. How is the performance?
[01:23:13] <arti> well it does most everything through that, saying loops only is incorrect...
[01:22:50] <arti> haskell does loops through recursion
[01:22:37] <arti> beats allocating something of some size, then iterating through stuff to poke it in
[01:22:17] <prospectacle> that does look very terse but probably in a good way once you're used to it
[01:22:06] <arti> https://www.fpcomplete.com
[01:21:01] <arti> it has some cool creature comforts, i've not really delved into file or socket stuff yet
[01:20:20] <arti> that'll return [Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday]
[01:20:08] <arti> [Tuesday .. Friday]
[01:19:58] <arti> or check this out for making a list
[01:19:51] <arti> succ Tuesday (returns Wednesday)
[01:19:41] <prospectacle> interesting
[01:19:07] <arti> or Wednesday < Friday (this returns true)
[01:18:53] <arti> so you can do something like: Saturday == Sunday (this returns false)
[01:18:32] <arti> this creates a day data type, which works like an enumerated type, as well as being able to be converted to and from strings
[01:17:26] <arti> deriving (Eq, Ord, Show, Read, Bounded, Enum)
[01:17:25] <arti> data Day = Monday | Tuesday | Wednesday | Thursday | Friday | Saturday | Sunday
[01:17:02] <arti> crutchy showed me something cool in delphi, records
[01:16:54] <arti> theres more to it, here's an example from the other day
[01:16:41] <arti> yeah, algebraic data types
[01:15:59] <prospectacle> sounds kind of like a mathematical syntax
[01:15:38] <arti> i like a lot of the ideas in it, it has taken me awhile to wrap my brain around it.
[01:14:42] <arti> awesome for concurrency and it's pretty quick
[01:14:07] <arti> it's a type safe language
[01:13:59] <arti> the syntax is terse and different
[01:13:40] <arti> it's a functional programming language, something foreign t ome
[01:13:26] * arti likes to tinker with stuff
[01:13:08] <prospectacle> arti, should I learn haskell? What kinds of things is it best for?
[01:10:11] <prospectacle> yeah, so much for the convenience of having an implicit unique id column
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[01:09:27] <arti> "...wtf!"
[01:09:23] <arti> hahahaha
[01:09:15] <prospectacle> you can explicitly the declare the (implicit) rowid column as autoincrement primary key and you'll be right, but if you don't, good luck keeping your bookrmarks working.
[01:08:49] <prospectacle> but vacuum the db and you're fucked
[01:08:40] <prospectacle> arti, yeah I got caught recently assuming that rowid in an sqlite would stay the same
[01:05:13] <arti> it was a rookie move
[01:05:08] <arti> when you're just starting out all the indices are low, when you start adding and removing it gets a little weird, which is when i caught it
[01:04:43] <arti> the content is dynamically generated, i did really limited testing when building it and it didn't crop up until later.
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[01:04:00] <arti> per page
[01:03:52] <arti> i assumed the id of an element was the same as an index from a table, the ids are relative (1 to X)
[01:02:53] <prospectacle> sound good. what did the subtle-issue turn out to be when you found it
[01:02:21] <arti> haskell is making more sense, too.
[01:02:12] <arti> had a referral come through as well for a project, so that's nice :D
[01:01:55] <arti> yay for assumptions
[01:01:49] <arti> coming along nicely, solved a subtle issue with an application that has haunted me for about two days
[01:01:28] <prospectacle> how's things arti?
[01:01:22] <prospectacle> uh oh does that mean a rotten burrito
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[01:00:55] <arti> hi prospectacle
[00:59:32] <prospectacle> hi everyone
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