#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-05
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[00:03:03] <Blackmoore> and - OUT. cya
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[00:44:47] <SoyCow5555> Hi guys, not sure who to let know about this ( I think there's already a bug logged) but got an error during moderation: +1 (Interesting) The origin of this bug is even worse (1086-26427, 8 points left) Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error
[00:44:56] <xlefay> That's bug 123
[00:44:59] <xlefay> https://github.com
[00:45:18] <SoyCow5555> Ok, didn't know if someone needed additional details
[00:45:32] <xlefay> Thanks for reporting though :)
[00:45:34] <kobach> you still had that in your fucking clipboard didnt you xlefay
[00:45:51] <xlefay> nope, few arrow ups'
[00:46:07] <SoyCow5555> lol I figured, just thought I would check.
[00:46:15] <kobach> yes
[00:46:17] <kobach> always best to check
[00:46:33] <kobach> you never know when its going to be that one time you dont report it
[00:46:37] <kobach> then next thing you know the site blows up
[00:46:45] <kobach> its like smokey the bear says
[00:46:49] <kobach> only YOU can prevent forest fires
[00:50:29] <kobach> anyway
[00:50:31] <kobach> sup SoyCow5555
[00:50:33] <kobach> welcome to irc
[00:57:49] <SoyCow5555> thanks
[00:58:04] <SoyCow5555> and hi
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[01:41:35] <kobach> sup spalls
[01:42:10] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - FDA Approves Device to Reverse Painkiller Overdose - http://sylnt.us - and-whats-the-antidote-to-an-overdose-of-antidote?
[01:49:05] <kobach> YES
[01:49:06] <kobach> FINALLY
[01:51:54] <SpallsHurgenson> On December 13, 2011, I purchased "I'm A Believer" by Weezer on iTunes. I sincerely apologize for this transgression.
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[01:56:52] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I have got to stop going through these iTune receipts... it keeps getting worse; I bought a Carpenter's song!
[02:02:04] <crutchy> omg you buy music?~
[02:02:09] <crutchy> !
[02:02:52] * crutchy hopes the mpaa, fbi, nsa, fda, fdic aren't listening
[02:02:52] <SpallsHurgenson> well, quality artists like The Carpenters deserve to receive some recompense for the excellent music they give us :)
[02:04:00] <kobach> what is this
[02:04:02] <kobach> buying music
[02:04:04] <kobach> you mean records?
[02:04:21] <SpallsHurgenson> well, edison cylinders :)
[02:04:40] <kobach> i wouldnt buy one if they paid me lol
[02:04:47] <crutchy> hahahaha
[02:04:50] <crutchy> i would
[02:04:50] <kobach> not enough recording time!
[02:05:00] <kobach> i guess theyd be like 45's
[02:05:09] * SpallsHurgenson makes another horrid discovery in his iTunes receipts... "Round the World with the Rubber Duck" by C W McCall.
[02:05:18] <SpallsHurgenson> In my defense, I was doing some really hard drugs at the time :)
[02:05:40] <crutchy> as long as you don't find spice girls in there i'm sure you'll recover
[02:06:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I am happy to report (runs a quick search first) that there are no Spice Girls in my collection!
[02:06:13] <SpallsHurgenson> also, I don't have any of their songs.
[02:06:46] * kobach slides his backstreet boys and britney spears mp3's off his desk before anyone sees them
[02:06:56] <kobach> lol
[02:07:32] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, if you like the music, take pride in it; don't let anyone else tell you it's no good.
[02:08:25] <SpallsHurgenson> having said that, I must re-iterate my disgust and amazement at having purchased 'Round the World With the Rubber Duck. Cocaine, it's a hell of a drug!
[02:14:49] <kobach> HEY SOYLENT
[02:14:53] <kobach> YOOOU'RE FIIIRED!!!!!!1
[02:14:56] <kobach> https://www.youtube.com
[02:22:04] <sea> YO, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want!
[02:22:12] <crutchy> bunch of sweaty guys feeling each other up... seems kinda gay
[02:24:12] <crutchy> sea: i actually have that song in my collection
[02:24:20] * crutchy hides
[02:24:35] <sea> I wanna, wanna, wanna, wanna...
[02:24:40] * sea begins to grind on crutchy
[02:24:46] <sea> I wanna really really really wanna zigazig, ah..
[02:24:49] <crutchy> ew
[02:24:58] <crutchy> that's kinda gay too :-P'
[02:25:20] * kobach scoots closer to crutchy
[02:25:24] <kobach> hy bby
[02:25:25] * sea wanders off to trade souls to mephistopheles
[02:25:27] <kobach> ;)
[02:25:29] <kobach> LOL
[02:25:41] <kobach> sry i couldnt help myself
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[02:27:43] <kobach> sup keplr
[02:27:46] <kobach> whatd you spot today
[02:27:51] <crutchy> sea: mr mistophlewhat?
[02:27:56] <kobach> anything cool?
[02:28:03] * SpallsHurgenson finishes going through his receipts "Wow, I've spent over $700 just on iOS apps alone."
[02:28:12] <kobach> uhh what
[02:28:18] <kobach> 1. iOS?
[02:28:22] <kobach> 2. $700!!!!
[02:28:31] <kobach> WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:28:36] <crutchy> wow so all up your phone costs about $1500
[02:28:40] <kobach> gj
[02:28:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm profligate with my money :)
[02:28:46] <kobach> thats as much as ive spent on laptops
[02:28:47] <kobach> in my entire life
[02:28:53] <crutchy> still cheaper than an imac
[02:28:55] <kobach> ^
[02:29:01] <kobach> much less a crapbook pro
[02:29:13] <FoobarBazbot> sea: s/ep.*/xyzptlk/
[02:29:13] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> <sea> wanders off to trade souls to mxyzptlk
[02:29:31] * SpallsHurgenson likes his Mac Minis...especially after you take off OSX :)
[02:30:09] <crutchy> i'm sure apple works well, but the price tags stink like shit that's been eaten and shit out again, esp in straya
[02:30:43] <kobach> ive heard crapbook pros get too hot and throttle down
[02:30:49] <kobach> someone was telling me in here the other day even
[02:31:07] <crutchy> i work in an orifice full of apple stuff
[02:31:17] <crutchy> well full of dell stuff too
[02:31:25] <crutchy> actually i think i'd prefer apple to dell
[02:31:36] <crutchy> dell is like shit that
[02:31:46] <crutchy> 's been eaten 6 times and shit out again
[02:31:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I live with an "artist" so having a Mac is mandatory. But I get the olds ones when she upgrades :)
[02:32:03] <crutchy> ooh "she"
[02:32:15] <crutchy> female artists are kinky
[02:32:36] <sea> crutchy: Ah, I know that personally
[02:32:48] <sea> crutchy: Female scientists, too
[02:32:56] <sea> and female musicians
[02:33:09] <crutchy> though my wife is crafty but not too kinky, but she has back injury too so makes it hard
[02:33:15] <sea> and in general, any female that you'd find at home on friday night
[02:33:18] <crutchy> lol
[02:33:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I want her to upgrade to a newer MacMini so I can connect the old one to the living room TV :)
[02:33:56] <crutchy> isn't there appletv for that?
[02:34:08] <crutchy> a box that wifi's everything
[02:34:10] <SpallsHurgenson> (well, when I say "she upgrades" I mean, "let me pay for the new one again" :)
[02:34:16] <crutchy> lol
[02:34:25] <crutchy> so she's kinda like your missus
[02:34:29] <SpallsHurgenson> AppleTV doesn't let me install Steam on it and stream my games from the main PC :)
[02:34:47] <crutchy> what about with that vm that apple has
[02:34:52] <crutchy> can't remember the name
[02:35:30] <crutchy> parallels
[02:35:31] <kobach> lol
[02:35:34] <kobach> ill take dell over hp
[02:35:45] <crutchy> lol haven't used hp for a long time
[02:36:00] <kobach> luckily i only have to deal with ibms
[02:36:07] <crutchy> ibm is ok
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[02:36:12] <kobach> which have a problem once every 6-9 years
[02:36:16] <kobach> lol
[02:36:22] <kobach> vs every 3 months for everything else
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[02:36:38] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not Apple, that's... Connectix? Some other company, anyway. Plus, I don't think it runs on AppleTV
[02:36:44] <crutchy> ~rainbow hi Bytram!
[02:36:49] <kobach> fail
[02:36:50] <kobach> fail
[02:36:51] <kobach> fail
[02:36:54] <kobach> hi Bytram
[02:36:54] <crutchy> wrong chan
[02:36:57] <crutchy> lol
[02:37:09] <kobach> you're almost as bad as me
[02:37:10] * crutchy facepalms
[02:37:16] <SpallsHurgenson> Plus plus, I want a full-fledged PC connected to the tv; I want the power!
[02:37:20] <kobach> oh i do it constantly crutchy dont feel bad
[02:37:26] <kobach> then again i have 4 irssi windows open
[02:37:44] <crutchy> spallshurgenson: why not just get an ol box and put debian or something on it?
[02:37:49] <crutchy> lol "ol box"
[02:37:58] <crutchy> dirty
[02:38:13] * crutchy scrapes up mind out of gutter
[02:38:14] <SpallsHurgenson> that's what I have. It is an old laptop. I want something a bit better :)
[02:38:38] <crutchy> i prefer a desktop, but only for upgradeability
[02:38:49] <crutchy> need decent graphics for htpc
[02:38:51] <SpallsHurgenson> her old MacMini has a nice small form-factor, is amazingly quiet and decent enough hardware. Damn it woman, let me upgrade you! :)
[02:39:32] <crutchy> you had better perform a system diagnosis on her first, just to make sure she meets the minimum requirements of said upgrade
[02:39:50] <crutchy> inspect all her subdirectories
[02:39:56] <kobach> my xbmc worked great
[02:40:01] <kobach> and then hdtv came along
[02:40:02] <arti> xbmc!
[02:40:14] * arti fondly recalls this in 2003
[02:40:32] <kobach> and that 700mhz pentium and that little nvidia arent up to the task of even 1280x720
[02:40:36] <crutchy> g'day arti
[02:40:41] <arti> g'day crutchy
[02:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> all /my/ PCs are either underpowered laptops or gigantic towers (I love towers; I can reach inside them and not get my fingers all scraped up)
[02:40:47] <kobach> much less 1900x1080
[02:40:48] <crutchy> don't need grunty mobo
[02:40:49] <kobach> or w/e
[02:40:53] <crutchy> just graphics
[02:40:59] <crutchy> and a good sound card
[02:41:05] <crutchy> with spdif
[02:41:11] <arti> aren't those all onboard now?
[02:41:27] * crutchy has no onboard spdif :-(
[02:41:40] <kobach> yeah ive not even had outboard spdif
[02:41:52] <crutchy> lol
[02:41:54] <kobach> or maybe i do now
[02:41:55] <kobach> idk
[02:42:00] <kobach> i bought a soundblaster a few years ago
[02:42:04] <kobach> good one
[02:42:11] <kobach> well,
[02:42:11] <crutchy> it's the one that looks like it came off a borg drone
[02:42:13] <kobach> high mid grade
[02:42:17] <kobach> kinda
[02:42:25] <kobach> oh the connector yes
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[02:43:33] <crutchy> i'd prolly use hdmi just for less spaghetti mess, but my receiver only has spdif
[02:43:55] <crutchy> i have to switch all the digital stuff through a separate box
[02:43:57] <crutchy> :-(
[02:44:14] <crutchy> though i think the new receivers are getting cheaper
[02:44:17] <kobach> the only good speakers in this house are on composite anyway
[02:44:38] <crutchy> composite?
[02:44:42] <kobach> component
[02:44:42] <kobach> rca
[02:44:44] <kobach> whatever
[02:44:45] <crutchy> lol
[02:44:47] <crutchy> ah
[02:44:53] <crutchy> no ofc?
[02:44:54] <kobach> dunno what theyre called
[02:44:56] <kobach> RED AND BLUE
[02:44:57] <kobach> ERR
[02:44:59] <kobach> WHITE
[02:45:02] <crutchy> lol
[02:45:26] <FoobarBazbot> BACON-COLORED
[02:45:35] <crutchy> that's what our telly in the lounge uses
[02:45:39] <kobach> YES
[02:45:42] <kobach> BACON COLORED
[02:45:47] <kobach> FoobarBazbot++
[02:45:47] <SlimShady> karma - foobarbazbot: 7
[02:45:48] <kobach> FoobarBazbot++
[02:45:48] <SlimShady> karma - foobarbazbot: 8
[02:45:48] <crutchy> not bacon, but r/w/y
[02:45:48] <kobach> FoobarBazbot++
[02:45:48] <SlimShady> karma - foobarbazbot: 9
[02:45:50] <crutchy> lol
[02:45:55] <kobach> well with video
[02:45:56] <kobach> yes
[02:46:01] <kobach> but this is just audio
[02:46:15] <crutchy> i don't even have a receiver in the lounge :-P
[02:46:33] <crutchy> and my sub is collecting dust :-(
[02:46:59] <kobach> lol
[02:50:12] <arti> do you have paper thin walls to torture your neighbors with?
[02:50:24] <arti> i'd practice morse code with it
[02:50:37] <arti> "i was hailing them"
[02:52:03] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Europe Passes Strong Net Neutrality Laws - http://sylnt.us - please-don't-mess-it-up-now
[02:53:03] * SpallsHurgenson hangs old mobos on his walls
[02:55:01] * arti hangs people on his walls
[02:55:11] <crutchy> arti is really the predator
[02:55:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, not all the walls - I'd probably get killed if I tried - just in the "computer room" where all my PCs are :)
[02:55:40] <crutchy> you have a "computer room"?
[02:55:46] * crutchy wishes he had a computer room
[02:55:47] <arti> it's a room made out of computers
[02:55:52] <arti> kinda like a couch fort
[02:55:53] <crutchy> lol
[02:55:58] <crutchy> yes
[02:56:05] <crutchy> now i really want one
[02:56:13] <arti> either that or its a walk in case
[02:56:22] <arti> "yeah, it was just easier this way" -- cray engineer
[02:56:33] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, that one room that the man is allowed to call his own (all the rest belongs to the Woman and only she has decorating perogatives :)
[02:56:48] * arti has input on the carpet *coughs*
[02:57:04] <SpallsHurgenson> arti: no you don't. She says you do, but you really don't:
[02:57:17] <arti> its cool, relationships work like that too
[02:57:31] <arti> "you say you do, but you really don't" --anonyman
[02:57:46] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, in the one room where I have any sway, I decorate with computer parts :)
[02:58:14] <arti> you just use it to intimidate the malfunctioning eqipment
[02:58:28] * arti watches as spalls rips apart a printer as an example to the others
[02:58:45] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I do it to honor older computers. I haven't the heart to throw 'em away :)
[02:58:46] * arti watches as spalls gleefully hangs the new trophy
[02:58:58] <arti> its not honor, it's there to serve as a warning
[02:59:08] <arti> i do the same thing with hobos
[02:59:33] <arti> :D
[02:59:42] <arti> bleh gotta change the database design
[03:00:40] <crutchy> old computers are like small wood offcuts... you never know when you might need them, and when you need them you can't find them and you end up getting new ones anyway
[03:01:55] <arti> hulking old cases
[03:01:57] <arti> sharp edges
[03:04:23] <kobach> lol
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[03:08:17] <sgleysti> did slashdot give up on beta?
[03:09:44] <FoobarBazbot> last I saw (several days ago) they were still pushing beta, and also had a Bennie Haselhoff story at the top of the page.
[03:09:53] * FoobarBazbot ran right back to SN
[03:10:03] <xlefay> uh oh..
[03:10:05] <sgleysti> ah, it's still there
[03:10:13] <sgleysti> roll the dice, I haven't got hit with it recently
[03:10:17] <xlefay> making a bad situation worse
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[03:11:47] <xlefay> uh oh, kobach, they're seeing double now too!
[03:12:01] <SpallsHurgenson> give them time. Dice is like Microsoft; corporations can never, ever admit they are wrong even when it is so very obvious to everyone. They need to gradually role out "improvements" to beta to ever-so-slowly revert back to a usable interface :)
[03:12:22] <SpallsHurgenson> in the meantime, there's S/N :)
[03:12:29] <kobach> oh shit
[03:12:31] <kobach> fix his mirror
[03:12:37] <kobach> we have another fucking hubble situation on our hands
[03:12:42] <kobach> its 1990 all over again
[03:13:23] <SpallsHurgenson> woooo, grunge is back!
[03:16:02] <kobach> no
[03:16:07] <kobach> 1990 they still had good rock
[03:16:14] <kobach> well
[03:16:16] <kobach> arent you in WA?
[03:16:38] <kobach> no
[03:16:45] <kobach> so yea
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[03:25:55] * SpallsHurgenson sings (apropos of nothing) "I can see clearly now the rain has gone; I can see all obstacles in my way! Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind; it's gonna be a bright, bright sun-shiney day!"
[03:26:12] <Titanium> please re-phrase in haiku
[03:26:15] <Titanium> i dont follow
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[03:27:07] <SpallsHurgenson> Oh, yes I can make it now the pain is gone; all of the bad feelings have disappeared.
[03:27:08] <SpallsHurgenson> Here is that rainbow I've been praying for; it's gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright) sunshiny day.
[03:28:04] <SpallsHurgenson> Look all around, there's nothing but blue skies; look straight ahead, there's nothing but blue skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
[03:30:44] <kobach> piss
[03:30:45] <kobach> piss
[03:30:46] <kobach> piss
[03:30:46] <kobach> piss
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[03:41:12] <xlefay> kobach, ^
[03:41:19] <xlefay> All's well in the world again
[03:41:30] <kobach> jesus
[03:41:34] <kobach> we got a backup
[03:41:41] <xlefay> Indeed.
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[04:11:02] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Nest Smoke Alarm Functionality Disabled Remotely - http://sylnt.us - so-you-think-you-have-protection-but-you-do-not
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[04:25:16] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, empty inbox :)
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[04:32:28] <SN> BALLS HURGENSON, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:33:17] <stderr> Any editors around?
[04:35:00] <stderr> Guess not... Oh, well, I hope they check the log for #editorial.
[04:35:05] <kobach> no
[04:35:18] <stderr> Yes, I do...
[04:35:21] <kobach> they said "no, we dont talk to danes"
[04:35:39] <SpallsHurgenson> a wise policy
[04:35:52] <kobach> LOL!
[04:36:14] <stderr> I don't care if they talk to me or not, but they should fix the typo anyway.
[04:36:20] <kobach> lol
[04:36:26] <kobach> they will
[04:37:48] <kobach> X LEFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
[04:37:49] <SpallsHurgenson> typos are merely alternate spellings for the language-impaired.
[04:38:03] <kobach> plz fix irpg website :(
[04:38:46] <kobach> i shot the sheriff
[04:39:08] * SpallsHurgenson notes the deputy has also suffered multiple bullet wounds
[04:39:23] * SpallsHurgenson glares accusitively at kobach
[04:39:29] <kobach> wasnt me
[04:39:50] <kobach> uh oh hes actually here
[04:39:54] <kobach> im in trouble for yelling
[04:39:59] <kobach> :p
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[05:09:18] <SpallsHurgenson> so sleepy
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[05:23:20] <Ethanol-fueled> WHITE POWER!
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[05:24:38] <SpallsHurgenson> white powder? are we back to talking about cocaine?
[05:27:22] <SpallsHurgenson> Lysergic acid diethylamide!
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[05:42:10] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - North Koreans Flying Drones Over Southern Cousins - http://sylnt.us - these-are-not-the-drones-that-you-are-looking-for
[05:57:56] <cykros> well, the old site is asking for feedback on beta finally and put a link for returning to classic in a bit more of a conspicuous location
[05:58:02] <cykros> i think they're finally shitting their pants.
[06:03:43] <Konomi> good ;p
[06:12:15] <Konomi> I keep thinking about that saving ink article based on font choices and all I can think of is office employees with magnifine glasses trying to read 9pt font thinking how much of a jerk the person was who did the study
[06:28:10] * arti o.o
[06:28:24] * arti dislikes websites that use dinky fonts
[06:29:00] * arti also recalls some litestep themes made use of tiny fonts
[06:29:09] <cykros> Konomi: someone needs to do the study showing how much money can be saved by doing away with paper altogether
[06:29:16] <cykros> it must have been done of course
[06:29:20] <arti> computers were supposed to eliminate it
[06:29:23] <cykros> but they can't seem to get it through their heads
[06:29:28] <arti> now look at how much stuff gets printed
[06:29:28] <xlefay> cykros, don't forget them trees!
[06:29:36] <arti> "them trees"
[06:29:38] <Konomi> computers won't replace paper cause 0s and 1s are easier to forge
[06:29:45] <arti> konomi++
[06:29:45] <SlimShady> karma - konomi: 10
[06:30:30] <cykros> what? forging a signature or watermark is a hell of a lot easier than forging a pgp key
[06:30:55] <arti> !quote grab konomi
[06:30:55] <SlimShady> No quotes found with the text 'grab konomi'
[06:31:02] <arti> !grab quote konomi
[06:31:02] <SlimShady> I don't think that's a nick....
[06:31:07] <arti> :(
[06:31:08] <xlefay> you mean grab konomi?
[06:31:10] <xlefay> !grab konomi
[06:31:10] <SlimShady> Added quote 103
[06:31:16] <arti> thank you
[06:31:24] <Konomi> cykros: pretty sure copying the private key is easy ;p
[06:31:54] <cykros> sure, if you get ahold of it. but it should theoretically be much easier to keep secure than an ssn, say.
[06:31:56] <Konomi> most studies find people are willing to hand out their passwords with barely a question
[06:32:13] <stderr> Konomi: "What's your password?"?
[06:32:14] * arti would just setup a free useful service that required a signup
[06:32:22] <xlefay> ^^^^
[06:32:40] <xlefay> stderr, also, that little issue = fixed
[06:32:41] <arti> "file hosting"
[06:32:51] <cykros> i think one halfway decent use for cloud services could be basically forcing lazy people to at least move to pgp signing if not encryption
[06:32:52] <stderr> arti: Something like a news site?
[06:32:56] <cykros> like, google docs
[06:33:01] <stderr> xlefay: Which one?
[06:33:01] <arti> stderr :O!
[06:33:10] <xlefay> " Nest Labs "
[06:33:24] <stderr> Ah...
[06:33:37] <cykros> for the convenience of using their service, they could basically cause a shift in what the masses use. the issue with companies doing that is that they usually just corral them into walled garden environments
[06:34:00] <cykros> but google has been better than many in that arena...google talk was federated xmpp until very recently
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[06:34:10] <cykros> and i think you can still use google talk with an xmpp client
[06:34:16] <cykros> instead of hangouts
[06:34:21] <Konomi> you can
[06:34:23] <Konomi> I am right now
[06:34:29] * cykros is not a huge google apologist, but will acknowledge good behavior
[06:34:38] <Konomi> not really
[06:34:51] <cykros> well, look at facebook
[06:34:56] <cykros> or apple
[06:34:58] * arti notices cykros rotating his google coffee cup
[06:35:02] <cykros> or hell, microsoft with windows rt
[06:35:11] <Konomi> http://www.zdnet.com
[06:35:11] * arti has some microsoft shirts
[06:35:17] <cykros> google supporting openness at ALL puts them generally ahead of their peers
[06:35:19] <cykros> sadly
[06:35:30] <arti> NSA "thanks guys!"
[06:35:41] <arti> tappa tappa tappa
[06:35:52] <Konomi> "Thus, Google will still be supporting XMPP client-to-server connections. However, XMPP's main selling point, server-to-server federation, made it possible for individual organizations to self-host their own instant messaging (IM) services while still enabling their users to talk to people outside of their group on other XMPP services. Without this federation functionality, XMPP's universal communication functionality is limited."
[06:35:58] <arti> that's why being organized sucks, just allows other people to find your stuff quickly /snark
[06:36:19] <Konomi> I ended up signing up with another xmpp server in tandium to avoid this
[06:36:37] <Konomi> so gtalk is pretty much a walled garden compared ti what it was
[06:36:41] <cykros> i just wish facebook would cut the shit and federate their xmpp
[06:36:50] <Konomi> they will never ever ever do that
[06:36:55] <Konomi> ever
[06:36:59] <cykros> they may have to eventually as their numbers drop to keep people from dropping off for single features.
[06:37:18] <Konomi> they're completely obsessed with having as much identifying bits in their community as possible
[06:37:33] <Konomi> letting others in who don't follow that is something they will never allow
[06:37:39] <cykros> that's why i support people using otr encryption over facebook xmpp
[06:37:45] <cykros> it gives facebook a lot of garbage.
[06:38:02] <arti> i think it also sets the watched bit :P
[06:38:03] <paulej72> you will be glad to know that slash hashes your password before storing it in the db
[06:38:10] <xlefay> People themselves are pretty good at doing that too cykros :)
[06:38:50] <Konomi> otr is pretty much impossible to watch
[06:38:59] <Konomi> once the chat session expires the keys are discarded
[06:39:19] <Konomi> each chat session is a new key
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[06:53:20] <SirFinkus> I can't convince any of my friends to use encryption
[06:54:02] <SirFinkus> I have pgp all set up for email, but nobody irl to exchange keys with
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[08:18:40] <sea> Hey, I found this awesome documentary on birds!
[08:19:04] <sea> "Winged Migration"
[08:19:37] <sea> It's kinda sad that there aren't that many movies about various animals
[08:26:12] <arti> sounds like a great idea to add to the kickstarter hat
[08:27:28] <sea> Yeah. I think what would be neat is a documentary series with each episode focusing on one particular organism
[08:27:29] <stderr> Didn't Hitchcock make a documentary about birds?
[08:27:40] <arti> heh
[08:27:49] * arti raises his glass to stderr
[08:28:06] * stderr raises own glass of coke...
[08:28:22] * arti tosses stderr a rolled up dollar
[08:28:51] * stderr puts money in the bank
[08:29:09] <arti> wait until the drips pass
[08:30:03] <stderr> http://en.wikipedia.org ?
[08:30:41] <arti> they're a type of bird, it's an omen
[08:32:34] <stderr> Ah... Anyway, I meant my piggy bank.
[08:33:17] <stderr> Real banks hardly gives any interest anymore anyway, so going all the way there to deposit money is too much work.
[08:33:34] <arti> use an app!
[08:33:37] <arti> or scan your checks :D
[08:33:39] <stderr> I would spend more money getting there than I would ever expect to get in interest.
[08:33:46] <stderr> Or use bitcoins...
[08:33:48] <arti> but you can let them loan your money out!
[08:33:59] <stderr> What money? :-)
[08:34:13] <stderr> Oh, that one dollar?
[08:34:25] <arti> yes, they can make $10 from that
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[08:35:01] <sea> I think it's better to hold a useful $X in cash always and use the bank as long-term storage
[08:35:27] <sea> Then as long as you deal in cash, you never have to take any unnecessary trips
[08:35:30] <stderr> If someone wants to borrow that dollar, they're more than welcome to come by.
[08:38:18] <sea> Alvin,Simon,Theodore are hilarious
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[08:49:42] <sea> When I dance they call me macarena...
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[09:21:32] <arti> :)
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[11:42:58] <crutchy> g'day soylent
[11:43:56] * crutchy spending saturday night on soylent irc
[11:44:12] * crutchy needs to get out more... or at least find some decent porn
[11:44:37] <crutchy> s/decent/indecent/
[11:44:37] <SedBot> <crutchy> needs to get out more... or at least find some indecent porn
[12:00:26] <Konomi> s/porn/hairy man porn/
[12:00:29] <Konomi> boo
[12:03:43] <crutchy> :-D
[12:03:46] <crutchy> ew
[12:04:02] <crutchy> you can have your hairy man porn
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[12:24:31] <crutchy> g'day mth
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[12:46:22] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[12:46:23] <mth> hi
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[13:25:43] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[13:26:10] <crutchy> whatcha up to this fine (if a little chilly) saturday evening?
[13:27:47] <MrBluze> oh i been out all day
[13:27:54] <MrBluze> i was soccer mum in the morning
[13:28:01] <MrBluze> and then it just kept going and going and going
[13:28:15] <MrBluze> and im annoyed because all the free time i was supposed to have has evaporated.. again.
[13:29:46] <crutchy> that sucks
[13:30:04] <crutchy> did your young bloke do well?
[13:30:16] <crutchy> win even
[13:31:20] <MrBluze> oh.. nah
[13:31:25] <MrBluze> he was a bit dreamy
[13:31:57] <MrBluze> he tells me he is standing there thinking of lego
[13:32:02] <crutchy> lol
[13:32:04] <MrBluze> .. mindstorms
[13:32:05] <crutchy> lego is fun
[13:32:08] <crutchy> oooh
[13:32:12] <crutchy> love that
[13:32:13] <MrBluze> yeah i cant blame him for that
[13:32:19] <MrBluze> that shits all over soccer
[13:32:27] <crutchy> i played with that at uni :-)
[13:32:50] <crutchy> as part of an aerospace engineering degree would you believe :-P
[13:33:25] <MrBluze> oh.. nice ;)
[13:33:48] <crutchy> prolly the most fun subject
[13:33:56] <crutchy> unfortunately only in 1st year
[13:34:23] <crutchy> the rest was a trudge
[13:34:30] <MrBluze> its easy to program
[13:34:39] <MrBluze> i thought of doing aerospace eng
[13:34:47] <MrBluze> u must be a clever cookie
[13:34:53] <MrBluze> 99.95 entry score
[13:34:56] <crutchy> yeah... like connecting lego (or i think they look like jigsaw pieces from memory)
[13:35:00] <crutchy> nah
[13:35:10] <crutchy> my enter was 86.something
[13:35:29] <MrBluze> really?
[13:35:33] <crutchy> enter is a crock of shit
[13:35:35] <MrBluze> thats still pretty good
[13:35:44] <crutchy> if you wanna do a course bad enough there are always ways
[13:35:49] <MrBluze> yeah true
[13:36:11] <MrBluze> i got a bit higher than that
[13:36:12] <crutchy> i did a year in monash eng after high school and then applied at end of first year
[13:36:29] <crutchy> i'm not great at exams
[13:36:40] <MrBluze> thats a good idea
[13:36:53] <crutchy> it also helps to get in the ear of the course coordinator :-P
[13:37:05] <MrBluze> well i was good at the highschool thing but uni exams sucked for me
[13:37:25] <crutchy> esp something like aero eng they looking for keen students
[13:37:32] <crutchy> yeah exams are hard
[13:38:27] <MrBluze> engineering is awesome
[13:38:49] <MrBluze> its really my dream .. and horticulture .. but they are just hobbies for me now
[13:39:05] <MrBluze> coding and whatever .. whatever i can get my hands on that isnt medical
[13:40:03] <crutchy> has its moments... can be pretty boring, like any job i guess
[13:40:14] <crutchy> i hate checking cranes over and over and over
[13:40:25] <MrBluze> lol yeah
[13:40:46] <MrBluze> my job has that - boring drudgery but pays orrite
[13:40:49] <crutchy> whatever they say about variety
[13:41:14] <crutchy> i do like that i can apply my coding hobby to my engineering work though
[13:41:15] <MrBluze> spice of life and all that
[13:41:18] <MrBluze> and money is the sugar
[13:41:22] <crutchy> lol
[13:41:28] <MrBluze> yeah same i put my coding in at work all the time
[13:41:36] <crutchy> i'm not great at the money thing
[13:41:39] <MrBluze> but im gonna do it less now since SN is a thing
[13:42:08] <MrBluze> so we are switching to filemaker for the database stuff and i'ma gonna either learn perl or make them let me do php ;)
[13:42:24] <crutchy> i can't really complain about money, but i haven't taken advantage of my programming skills to make more money
[13:42:32] <crutchy> mkay
[13:42:35] <crutchy> sounds awesome
[13:43:49] <MrBluze> yeah but 'cause of the crap budget nothing is certain at the moment
[13:43:50] <crutchy> actually i was talking to the missus today about maybe seeing if i could maybe have a go at developing a website for payment
[13:43:58] <MrBluze> oh
[13:44:12] <MrBluze> u should be part of this project ;) it will hopefully one day involve some payment
[13:44:16] <crutchy> yeah convincing management to get the best thing over the cheapest thing is always a cheallenge
[13:44:35] <crutchy> i've been thinking about trying to become more involved
[13:44:57] <MrBluze> well, start at the beginning
[13:45:12] <crutchy> g'day mrbluze... i'm crutchy :-P
[13:45:20] <crutchy> how do you do :-D
[13:45:21] <MrBluze> hi crutchy im MrBluze
[13:45:27] <MrBluze> lol im ok
[13:45:37] <MrBluze> so have u got a dev thing running on your poota yet?
[13:45:46] <crutchy> yeah
[13:46:02] <crutchy> had it for ages, but i just can't be effed learning perl
[13:46:23] <crutchy> it's a bent language
[13:46:37] <MrBluze> thats ok
[13:46:49] <MrBluze> i dnt know perl either
[13:46:55] <MrBluze> u know css ?
[13:47:03] <MrBluze> .. maybe later there will be php opportunities
[13:47:12] <crutchy> i know a bit, but not sure how useful i could be
[13:48:01] <MrBluze> i'd say have a read of the wiki pages for the moment
[13:48:12] <MrBluze> see if there's an area that strikes u as interesting
[13:48:13] <crutchy> the style one
[13:48:20] <MrBluze> just wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:48:25] <crutchy> they're all sorta interesting
[13:48:32] <crutchy> i kinda like the hardcore dev stuff
[13:48:37] <crutchy> i'm a code junkie
[13:48:44] <MrBluze> style is if u give a damn about layout usability look n feel all that stuff
[13:48:45] <crutchy> but atm php
[13:48:59] <MrBluze> yeah thats more function development and bug fixing
[13:49:17] <crutchy> slash has kinda turned me off that
[13:49:33] <crutchy> the more i look at it the more i think it's gunna be the end of soylent
[13:49:45] <crutchy> but i'm sure nc and paulej etc can keep it working
[13:50:48] <MrBluze> .. well slash is not the end
[13:50:57] <crutchy> nah i hope not
[13:51:09] <crutchy> it was just the beginning :-)
[13:51:27] <MrBluze> my feeling is (feeling not knowledge) that slash will slowly migrate over to more popular languages
[13:51:31] <MrBluze> i don't say better
[13:52:11] <crutchy> i agree that php etc aren't necessarily better, but they are definitely more commonplace/popular than perl
[13:52:36] <crutchy> heck even c++ would be more popular
[13:52:58] <crutchy> or c
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[13:53:05] <crutchy> now C would be better
[13:53:14] <crutchy> imagine rewriting slash in C
[13:53:26] <MrBluze> c++
[13:53:26] <SlimShady> karma - c: 17
[13:53:29] <crutchy> that would be the ultimate nerdgasm
[13:53:41] <MrBluze> in c++ would be nice because it can all be classes
[13:53:48] <crutchy> yeah
[13:53:53] <MrBluze> the ide's do a beautiful job with those now
[13:54:01] <MrBluze> u just half type in the class and it tells you all your options and how to format
[13:54:18] <crutchy> cool
[13:54:33] <crutchy> i've got an old version of borland c++ builder
[13:54:38] <crutchy> never used it much
[13:55:15] <crutchy> i'm actually kinda working on a modular thing tonight that xlefay kinda got me onto
[13:55:34] <crutchy> not sure if i could even explain it very well atm but i reckon there is huge scope for it
[13:55:55] <MrBluze> i use code::blocks
[13:56:02] <MrBluze> u should try that .. its very nice
[13:56:18] <crutchy> xlefay was just thinking irc, but my brain flew off into space while i was thinking about it
[13:56:27] <crutchy> code::blocks?
[13:56:30] <MrBluze> code::blocks plus a gui builder for the UI
[13:56:31] <xlefay> mission succeeded!
[13:56:39] <crutchy> lol
[13:56:39] <MrBluze> yeah it's an ide for c++
[13:56:43] <xlefay> or should I say, mission::succeeded()? :)
[13:56:43] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[13:56:59] <xlefay> mission::setState('success!');
[13:57:00] <xlefay> howdy!
[13:57:36] <MrBluze> ;)
[13:57:38] <crutchy> i got a little debian vm going xlefay
[13:57:56] <MrBluze> bits and pieces of C++ can be used to greatly speed up some things of the site i would imagine
[13:58:04] <crutchy> i'm working on the most paranoid iptables configuration i can come up with
[13:58:08] <xlefay> MrBluze, *substantially*!
[13:58:20] <xlefay> crutchy, oh, that's rather simple isn't it? :)
[13:58:49] <crutchy> atm 6 lines... will probably be 7 lines at the end
[13:58:50] <xlefay> Disconnect the network and still deny everything on *every* interface (incl. loopback!)
[13:59:00] <crutchy> maybe 8
[13:59:13] <crutchy> yeah i took lo out of interfaces
[13:59:23] <xlefay> You think that's wise?
[13:59:28] <crutchy> all policy to drop
[13:59:35] <crutchy> dunno :-P
[13:59:47] <crutchy> i'm thinking maybe not now that you said that
[13:59:53] <crutchy> lol
[14:00:05] <xlefay> I reckon that's going to end up disastrous :P
[14:00:10] <crutchy> you know my way of thinking though
[14:00:20] <crutchy> what uses lo?
[14:00:29] <xlefay> Block first, debug later?
[14:00:41] <crutchy> just make shit up as i go
[14:01:11] <xlefay> crutchy, besides it being used for 127.0.0.1?
[14:01:22] <crutchy> yeah, what uses that?
[14:01:24] <xlefay> on my primary server: RX bytes:9998094902 (9.3 GiB) TX bytes:9998094902 (9.3 GiB) # so I'm thinking it's used *for something*
[14:01:42] <MrBluze> lo?
[14:01:45] <MrBluze> I think X uses it
[14:01:46] <crutchy> loopback
[14:01:49] <xlefay> well, I bet you can't ping 127.0.0.1 anymore :P
[14:01:51] <crutchy> oh
[14:02:14] <xlefay> MrBluze, so does everything else :P
[14:02:21] <crutchy> i'm limiting all packet traffic in and out to a single ip address on a single port
[14:02:39] <MrBluze> everything that talks to anything
[14:02:40] <xlefay> btw, that 9.3 GB is over a 116 day period though so
[14:02:41] <crutchy> maybe i had better put lo back in
[14:02:55] <crutchy> iptables might be 8 or 9 lines :-P
[14:03:23] <xlefay> I'm distasted at how little traffic went over eth0 ;[
[14:03:49] <xlefay> khyber didn't honor his promise
[14:04:07] <crutchy> i got a slightly different way of working that concept you mentioned
[14:04:14] <stderr> xlefay: 9.3G? Pfffttt...
[14:04:16] <stderr> $ ifconfig lo | grep bytes ; uptime
[14:04:16] <stderr> RX bytes:22970833029 (22.9 GB) TX bytes:22970833029 (22.9 GB)
[14:04:16] <stderr> 14:03:55 up 158 days, 20:34, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.07
[14:04:17] <crutchy> not sure how well it will work
[14:04:39] <xlefay> crutchy, you using something to do the iptables or you using iptables directly?
[14:04:40] <crutchy> wow your pyewta talks to itself a lot
[14:04:50] <xlefay> 14:04:45 up 116 days, 20:23, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.03
[14:04:51] <crutchy> just making a sh script
[14:04:54] <xlefay> meh stderr how about eth0?
[14:05:00] <crutchy> to pull it with pre-up
[14:05:13] <MrBluze> im off to bed chaps
[14:05:23] <MrBluze> tomorrow hopefully (!) i can be productive
[14:05:24] <xlefay> Good night MrBluze, take care buddy :)
[14:05:32] <MrBluze> gnite xlefay, crutchy
[14:05:33] <MrBluze> cheers
[14:05:35] <stderr> xlefay: A "little" more...
[14:05:37] <stderr> $ ifconfig | grep -e '^[a-z]' -e bytes
[14:05:37] <stderr> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr e0:cb:4e:2c:1c:e8
[14:05:37] <stderr> RX bytes:274035140518 (274.0 GB) TX bytes:324197563086 (324.1 GB)
[14:05:37] <stderr> lo Link encap:Local Loopback
[14:05:37] <stderr> RX bytes:22970833029 (22.9 GB) TX bytes:22970833029 (22.9 GB)
[14:05:39] <stderr> tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[14:05:41] <stderr> RX bytes:5316913811 (5.3 GB) TX bytes:805673772 (805.6 MB)
[14:06:08] <xlefay> I beat you on TX; but you win on RX :P
[14:06:34] <crutchy> cya mrbluze night matey
[14:07:15] <stderr> Meanwhile... On another box...
[14:07:16] <stderr> # ifconfig lo | grep bytes ; uptime
[14:07:16] <stderr> RX bytes:8794 (8.5 KiB) TX bytes:8794 (8.5 KiB)
[14:07:17] <stderr> 14:06:59 up 60 days, 3:17, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08
[14:09:32] <xlefay> RX bytes:226481351199 (210.9 GiB) TX bytes:379062950006 (353.0 GiB)
[14:09:35] <xlefay> !woop
[14:09:35] <SlimShady> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:11:19] <stderr> Unfortunately my router wraps around at 4GiB... RX bytes:17730706 (16.9 MiB) TX bytes:2509297147 (2.3 GiB)
[14:11:19] <stderr> 14:11:10 up 312 days, 5:03, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[14:11:35] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Developers Focus on iOS Over Android - http://sylnt.us - is-it-stating-the-obvious?
[14:11:50] <xlefay> ha
[14:15:47] <crutchy> xlefay: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:16:28] <xlefay> rofl, only allowing IRC eh?
[14:17:29] <crutchy> i don't want bots getting into my lan
[14:17:49] <stderr> crutchy: Error in line 7 and 9...
[14:18:13] <xlefay> crutchy, also in advanced, add: 50.116.18.95 # it's the IRC server we'll be moving to shortly
[14:19:40] <crutchy> i prolly should have tested it eh
[14:19:51] <crutchy> well at least made sure it executed :-P
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[14:20:48] <stderr> crutchy: Maybe consider using iptables-save and iptables-restore?
[14:24:13] <crutchy> yeah i saw that in an ubuntu web page
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[14:24:58] <crutchy> what's the difference?
[14:25:21] * crutchy does a man iptables-restore
[14:26:08] <stderr> You configure the firewall "live", thereby testing if it works... Then you save that configuration and later (at reboot) restore it.
[14:26:35] <crutchy> mkay
[14:27:18] <stderr> You can have more than one config and easy switch between them.
[14:29:15] <crutchy> fuck this
[14:29:19] * crutchy installs gnome
[14:29:29] <stderr> Noooooo..........
[14:29:42] <crutchy> i dunno how you shell diehards do what you do
[14:29:45] <crutchy> :-P
[14:30:14] <stderr> You should learn it then... :-)
[14:30:20] <crutchy> even extreegold is better than nothing :-P
[14:30:30] <crutchy> s/ex/x/
[14:30:30] <SedBot> <crutchy> even xtreegold is better than nothing :-P
[14:30:45] <crutchy> i know a little, but i'm slow as shit on it
[14:31:41] <crutchy> all i wanted was a vbox shared folder
[14:31:55] <crutchy> i'm sure i could get one without gnome
[14:32:08] <crutchy> but it would take me all night to look it up and figure it out :-P
[14:33:15] <crutchy> someone smarter would prolly just use an nfs or smb mount
[14:34:03] <stderr> NFS is pretty much just 2 lines... One for the exporting and one for the mounting.
[14:35:20] <crutchy> ah well... while it's downloading crap i can think more about the more fun code stuff
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[14:44:31] <crutchy> ooh secret squirrel stuff :-P
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[15:07:10] <crutchy> g'day marty :-)
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[15:21:34] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org - my work here is done
[15:22:47] <xlefay> Blasphemy!
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[15:24:53] <prospectacle> clear
[15:24:56] <prospectacle> oops
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[15:25:25] <prospectacle> good day soylent
[15:25:31] <prospectacle> how is everything going?
[15:25:43] <janrinok> hi prospectacle how's things ?
[15:25:57] <NCommander> prospectacle, your suggetsions on staff communication were implemented :-)
[15:26:00] <NCommander> !!todo
[15:26:03] <NCommander> !todo
[15:26:07] <NCommander> ...
[15:26:10] <janrinok> hi NCommander
[15:26:12] <xlefay> .unquiet SlimShady
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[15:26:27] <prospectacle> good thanks janrinok, thanks for posting my stories
[15:26:28] <xlefay> hint: you can PM the bot and !todo too!
[15:26:39] <prospectacle> janrinok, how are things in your world?
[15:26:55] <janrinok> good today thanks, and I hope the same goes for you?
[15:26:57] <prospectacle> NCommander, that's great news. What were my suggestions?
[15:27:09] <janrinok> lol
[15:27:26] <janrinok> they must have been good....
[15:27:45] <prospectacle> janrinok. Yes thank you. It's the weekend. I've got things to do but which don't have to be done. What could be better
[15:28:02] <janrinok> ...not having them to do at all?
[15:28:16] <prospectacle> janrinok. I mean things I want to do, but which I don't have to do.
[15:28:27] <janrinok> lol - ok, understood
[15:29:10] <prospectacle> Also I'm a bit drunk, so, you know.
[15:29:14] <prospectacle> What's been happening around here?
[15:29:15] <janrinok> Yipee - its a Saturday and we have submissions waiting in the queue!
[15:29:15] <xlefay> I'm assumed at how Bacon isn't considerated off-topic on the main page :P
[15:29:36] <janrinok> xlefay: hi, bacon is _never_ off-topic is it?
[15:29:53] <xlefay> it is not :PP
[15:30:39] <prospectacle> xlefay has two mouths everybody
[15:31:07] <xlefay> assumed = amused
[15:31:09] <janrinok> I thought he looked a bit funny, but I could't quite put my finger on it....
[15:32:05] <prospectacle> Has anyone seen "how to succeed at business without really trying?" It's all on youtube. I haven't seen it since I was about 8. I thought it was an 80s movie until I put it on.
[15:32:12] <janrinok> I am also thinking that 'they' didn't get you overnight, xlefay ?
[15:32:23] <prospectacle> it's '67
[15:32:34] <janrinok> prospectacle: I saw it a long time ago.
[15:33:10] <prospectacle> It's
[15:33:13] <prospectacle> oops
[15:33:21] <prospectacle> It's pretty dumb, but I remember it fondly
[15:33:56] <janrinok> lol - I was getting all excited then wondering what was meant to follow the initial "it's"...
[15:34:20] <prospectacle> Nah I'm just digitally retarded
[15:34:24] <prospectacle> retarted in the digits
[15:34:34] <prospectacle> s/retarted/retarded/
[15:34:35] <SedBot> <prospectacle> retarded in the digits
[15:34:51] <janrinok> do you want to stop, and then start again?
[15:34:56] <janrinok> lol
[15:34:59] <prospectacle> Yes, let me come in again...
[15:35:05] <janrinok> hi prospectacle
[15:35:10] * prospectacle exits stage left, slaps himself in the face
[15:35:20] <prospectacle> hi janrinok. how's it going?
[15:35:26] <janrinok> good etc....
[15:35:36] <prospectacle> that's good news. what's been happening around here?
[15:36:20] <janrinok> don't know, only just logged on myself. But I gather that you suggestions for communications have been implemented - even though you can't remember what they were...
[15:37:01] <prospectacle> Well I remember suggesting using slash would be wise, since it's familiar, maybe that's the one.
[15:37:33] <janrinok> Ah yes - we have another staff slash site now - got it working yesterday late on
[15:37:35] <prospectacle> In which case it probably didn't need my input to get there, but I'll certainly take any spare credit that's floating around
[15:37:46] <janrinok> prospectacle++
[15:37:46] <SlimShady> karma - prospectacle: 1
[15:37:58] <prospectacle> cool, yay a point.
[15:39:18] <prospectacle> since we're talking about staff, I've been confused about one thing. I get the impression audioguy is making the voting system, in which case, great, I can't wait to see it. On the other hand, martyb has suggested a modified version of my proof-of-concept voting system might be useful. Do you happen to know where things are at?
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[15:40:33] <janrinok> yes, there are more than 1 voting system: in fact I know of 3. The first is the one that exists on slash which often appears on the front page. It is not intended for anything serious. It is open to abuse and easily gamed.
[15:41:07] <prospectacle> yes, true.
[15:41:17] <prospectacle> hi michaelpwalls
[15:42:13] <michealpwalls> Hi there :)
[15:42:16] <janrinok> The second is based on our emails. A system has been produced where we can vote for a number of possible outcomes in order of preference, and the software script checks that the email is only voting once, takes note of the preferences, and then give the top 3 or whatever in preference order. We can then have a final run-off to select the best option.
[15:43:39] <janrinok> The third is to use an existing piece of software but it takes significant work to integrate it into our existing system and to do the checks for dupes, false names etc.
[15:45:06] <prospectacle> I see. So is the second system the staff-voting system and the third system is the (potential) user-voting-system?
[15:45:14] <janrinok> The reason for the 3 is that the vote for a new name has to been seen to be fair, unbiased, and trustworthy otherwise _someone_ will inevitably call foul!
[15:46:00] <janrinok> Which gets used I don't think has been decided but I could be wrong there - it is not my area of work at present.
[15:46:15] <prospectacle> yes, good point. It's like the litmus test for the community respect of the site.
[15:46:24] <prospectacle> right or wrong, that seems to be the case
[15:46:27] <crutchy> xlefay: speaking of bacon, what happened to the bacon news logo @ soylentnews.org?
[15:46:47] <prospectacle> did you know that in dutch "play episode" is "episode starten"? I accidentally pressed the wrong button on the dvd
[15:47:01] <janrinok> The email system has been tested in part - another stage to go - but seems to be up to the job and might meet all our requirements.
[15:47:25] <janrinok> But as it is all in-house, someone will say that we could always falsify the results!!!
[15:48:20] <crutchy> prospectacle: what is it in shoip?
[15:48:25] <prospectacle> janrinok. let me put this to you: someone will cry foul *no matter what*. I strongly agree it needs to be seen to be fair, but only by 98% or so.
[15:48:27] <prospectacle> shoip?
[15:48:47] <crutchy> i think that's what it is. it's usually the first language in a language menu
[15:48:57] <prospectacle> oh you mean sverge?
[15:49:02] <prospectacle> or suomi?
[15:49:08] <prospectacle> i don't know
[15:49:16] <crutchy> i think it appears as "shoip" in english
[15:49:23] <crutchy> or something like that
[15:49:59] <prospectacle> all I know is ds9 should have been made 10 years later, when long story arcs had some respect, and realistic special effects were affordable.
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[15:52:38] <prospectacle> ah, here it is: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:52:52] <prospectacle> Do you know if this is still the current state of the art?
[15:53:02] <prospectacle> janrinok
[15:56:32] <michealpwalls> Pfft, wouldn't it be easier to just switch SoylentNews to WordPress? :)
[15:58:15] <janrinok> michealpwalls: with all those security problems - I think we decided that the answer should be no
[15:59:03] <janrinok> michealpwalls: you _were_ being sarcastic weren't you?
[15:59:47] <michealpwalls> haha yes :P
[16:00:02] <prospectacle> crutchy: apparently "shoip" lets you skip other things and start playing the feature in its default. I don't know why. There's scant information about it.
[16:00:09] <crutchy> as sarcastic as using wordpress sounds, i wouldn't immediately assume that wordpress is any less secure than our current version of slash, which runs on mod_perl/apache1.3
[16:00:19] <michealpwalls> I wouldn't think so ^
[16:00:28] <michealpwalls> WordPress, latest iterations, are probably more secure :)
[16:00:34] <crutchy> prospectacle: haha i had no idea :-P
[16:01:01] <prospectacle> crutchy, a lot of stuff has been done to the SN setup specifically to make it more secure, even if the default setup of slash is not secure
[16:01:02] <michealpwalls> And much easier to maintain, from an admin point of view. Although I was being sarcastic heeheee. Using WordPress would mean recreating the voting system, which I think it's essentially the core of Slashcode no?
[16:01:29] <michealpwalls> Comment voting/moderation, I mean... Not the silly polls on the mainpage :P
[16:01:31] <crutchy> but those enhancements aren't related to slash, so they would also apply to wordpress, no?
[16:01:35] <prospectacle> michaelpwalls. Not, voting is unfortunately an afterthought of slash. The main feature is commenting.
[16:02:05] <prospectacle> crutchy, well you can't really separate them. The enhancement were done to this specific setup
[16:02:10] <prospectacle> as far as I can tell
[16:02:23] <prospectacle> michaelpwalls, yes, you're right.
[16:02:24] <crutchy> you mean the apparmour stuff?
[16:02:45] <michealpwalls> Yea that's what I meant, the comment votes and moderation. Although WordPress has a robust comment framework that allows commenting on virtually *anything* published through WP, the comments aren't vote/moderation based like Slashcode is.
[16:03:03] <crutchy> anyway, not that i'm advocating the use of wordpress even for a second :-P
[16:03:26] <michealpwalls> It's doable, from a technical point of view. There would be quite a lot of benefits as well. Consider that Arstechnica is a WordPress site ;)
[16:03:30] <prospectacle> crutchy, yes, apparmour is one of the main ones. Also the varnish settings and probably other stuff I don't know about
[16:03:31] <michealpwalls> I love Ars hehe
[16:03:43] <michealpwalls> I was sarcastic though, just to make that clear hahaha
[16:04:12] <prospectacle> i like ars too. I didn't know they were wp. No doubt it's heavily customised.
[16:04:53] <prospectacle> I think many tools could do the job of slash, but the question is always how much work would something require, and woudl it be worth it.
[16:05:25] <crutchy> that would be an interesting comparison :-P
[16:05:31] <crutchy> i wonder how slash would fare
[16:05:36] <michealpwalls> Yea. Basically WP comes standard with the entire slashcode specification.... Minus the most fundamentally important part (The comment voting/moderation setup that basically *defines* Slashcode, in my opinion)
[16:05:49] <michealpwalls> prospectacle: Yes, exactly. That's what it's always about. ROI, right? :P
[16:05:54] <michealpwalls> Return on your (time) Investment hehehe
[16:06:20] <crutchy> i guess slash might have a higher nerd factor
[16:06:20] <prospectacle> michaelpwalls, yeah that's exactly it
[16:06:58] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah I don't think I've ever seen slash before, outside of the site that must not be named. It's an interseting system
[16:07:00] <michealpwalls> crutchy: haha yes, exactly. Slashcode lacks the "WYSIWYG" thing, where you get a Microsoft Word-style input form for publishing into the WordPress system. Slash is all like "Just use html :P"
[16:07:13] <michealpwalls> Iunno.. Mostly I like the SLash approach. The stupid WP editors piss me off mostly
[16:07:16] <crutchy> it's like the fighter jet of applications... totally unstable without constant control input :-P
[16:07:24] <michealpwalls> With thier damn bubbley buttons and "automagic" crap going on :/
[16:07:54] <michealpwalls> Slashcode is crazy. It's interesting from an education standpoint (You can learn a lot checking out Slashcode...)
[16:08:00] <michealpwalls> But I don't think I would ever do something like that :O
[16:08:09] <prospectacle> I'm always saying one day NCommander should write a book about using slash to make a community website and everyone will buy it. It seems like a system with massive potential.
[16:08:18] <michealpwalls> I don't think so :)
[16:08:32] <michealpwalls> I think everyone will bow before NCommander, but nobod ywould volunteer to do what he did :D
[16:08:42] <michealpwalls> (giggle)
[16:09:02] <crutchy> i like the template system, and i think it would be much more manageable if all the stuff we;re not using were stripped out of it
[16:09:39] <michealpwalls> For every functioning Slashcode site out there, there's a stressed out over-worked NCommander? Mostly the WP sites are adminned by barret wearing Apple fanbois that couldn't write a single coherent line of PHP if their entire community depended on it :)
[16:10:57] <prospectacle> michaelpwalls, yes there's something to be said for a system that doesn't require much work. Of course it takes a massive amount of work for a system to get to that stage in the first place.
[16:11:18] <michealpwalls> Maybe this is fair: Slashcode makes the complex stuff doable and the simple things aren't simple to do. WordPress makes the simple things completely painless and thoughtless... Albeit making the complex things impossible to do without large programming projects.
[16:11:41] <michealpwalls> Yea, true :)
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[16:17:37] <michealpwalls> It's something the entire community, or at least the core of the community would have to get to gether and really discuss thoroughly, in my opinion.. From both a technical standpoint *and* an idealogical standpoint. I mean, if you discard Slashcode... What does that do to the "soul" of SoylentNews? :/
[16:19:07] <prospectacle> Yeah slash is the core
[16:19:58] <prospectacle> Everything else hangs off it. Like a corkboard inside an office in a skyscraper. Slash is the skyscraper.
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[16:20:20] <michealpwalls> mmm, indeed!
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[16:22:48] <michealpwalls> I wish DICE did the Beta better... 'cause I don't think th reaction really shows the true opinion of change... It really only shows the opinion against aweful, poorly thought-out and poorly executed change (rofl!)
[16:23:12] <michealpwalls> 'cause it still beggs the question.. *can* you fundamentally change the system without upsetting the community?
[16:24:21] <prospectacle> michealpwalls (I only just realised I've been spelling you're name wrong this whole time), I agree. They did it in almost the worst way possible. They could have gone gradually, asking for feedback at each step.
[16:24:33] <michealpwalls> LOL it's alright :P
[16:25:06] <prospectacle> I'm glad they messed it up though, otherwiser tehre would be no soylent, and soylent is going to be a Not-for-profit news source, which is a fairly unusual and interesting idea in itself.
[16:25:45] <michealpwalls> I honestly had to test things.. 'cause I couldn't believe they could be *that* amateur and break the most fundamental things, for example, in beta you can't click on an individual comment.. LOL.. If JavaScript is disabled you can't even so much as *comment*. I didn't even get as far as moderation as I don't have mod points, but wow. I could just imagine how broken that all was, too :/
[16:26:45] <Nerdfest> I looked at an article on SlashDot last night for the first time in a few weeks and was amazed at the low quality of discussion. It wasn't quite XBox live guring a game of Halo, but it seems well on its way.
[16:26:48] <prospectacle> yeah they must have had this discussion: "well we've got thousands of users, let's just use them as alpha testers"
[16:26:56] <michealpwalls> .. And they didn't even touch the underlying Slashcode.. They just tacked on 400lbs of JQuery frontend to make it "pretty"
[16:27:15] <michealpwalls> Nerdfest: Yea, it's worrysome.. For years it was purely the comments I read at SlashDot.. :/
[16:27:31] <michealpwalls> I must admit it got to the point where I didn't even read full articles.. Just skimmed and moved right into comments LOL
[16:27:44] <Nerdfest> Likewise.
[16:27:56] <michealpwalls> The comments would crack me up, LOL. Real humour :)
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[16:29:28] <prospectacle> Nerdfest, it's funny but I something think slashdot has too many people and comments. SN could stand to have a few more, but maybe only double or triple. Too many = lots of noise.
[16:29:39] <prospectacle> s/something/sometimes/
[16:29:39] <SedBot> <prospectacle> Nerdfest, it's funny but I sometimes think slashdot has too many people and comments. SN could stand to have a few more, but maybe only double or triple. Too many = lots of noise.
[16:29:58] <michealpwalls> Yea, well, believe it or not I see it more as a management failure than a technical failure. The people writing th JQuery UI for slashdot certainly did not make the decision and in fact, they were force-fed the requirements... They are only doing what's on the requirements list, basically.
[16:30:08] <Nerdfest> It's not noise if it's got something useful to add.
[16:30:18] <michealpwalls> The ass-headed management never put Community at the top of that requirement list.. Comments and etc.
[16:30:57] <michealpwalls> Does SedBot work with vi syntax?
[16:31:00] <michealpwalls> s:/vi/vim
[16:31:10] <michealpwalls> Fiddle sticks! That's discrimination!
[16:31:45] <michealpwalls> :s/sticks/stacks
[16:31:52] <michealpwalls> Pfft.
[16:31:53] <prospectacle> Nerdfest, you're right, and yet there seems to be a tipping point at which extra users are less likely to be genuinely interested and more likely to be just joining something popular.
[16:32:27] <prospectacle> Nerdfest, I can't say how to avoid this problem, It's probably just a natural fact of any site. But I think /. is on the wrong side of this divide.
[16:32:32] <michealpwalls> prospectacle: As the community grows, maybe the threshholds could be adjusted to accomodate, though?
[16:32:33] <Nerdfest> Part of it it the current trendiness of nerd/geek culture. Lots of people jumping on.
[16:32:44] <Nerdfest> I think so as well.
[16:32:50] <prospectacle> michealpwalls, yes there probably are ways to deal with it somehow.
[16:33:14] <michealpwalls> So that, for example, when you've got the volume that slashdot has, the threshholds could maybe mitigate the whole "heard-mentality" that drowns out a good discussion on slashdot :/
[16:33:19] <michealpwalls> But I'm not sure, honestly. It's a tough issue!
[16:33:39] <Nerdfest> I'm probably a little more bothered by the noise because I generally browse at -1. I saw an awful lot of moderation abuse.
[16:33:57] <prospectacle> moderation systems are hard. How would you design one if you were in charge?
[16:34:02] <michealpwalls> As the system scales, the comment volume swells and moderation stops being such a simple issue. In a knee-jerk reaction, 100 dumbass people could vote down a comment simply 'cause they didn't agree with it... Even if they were all flat out wrong and ignorant :/
[16:34:08] <michealpwalls> Affectively burrying the real information..
[16:34:31] <michealpwalls> Happens on YouTub a lot LMAO
[16:34:35] <prospectacle> I mean you want regular users to have mroe of a say, but who is regular? You want to avoid sock-puppets, and you want to avoid the tyranny of the majority as well
[16:34:46] <michealpwalls> Yea
[16:34:50] <Nerdfest> I mentioned in one of the discussions here that I would make downmodding so that it took 2 or 3 of the same type to push something sown 1 point, but I would keep the 'flag' option as well.
[16:35:01] <michealpwalls> It's realy tough. It almost harks back to the old discussions about a healthy Democracy itself, doesn't it? :)
[16:35:03] <Nerdfest> Downmodding should be hard.
[16:35:23] <michealpwalls> I think, at one point one of the American founding fathers said "Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner", or something like that.
[16:35:24] <michealpwalls> (rofl)
[16:36:05] <prospectacle> michealpwalls, yes it does. I kind of like the semi-random nature of mod-points, but it makes you think there are a million different ways you could decide who can mod and who can't, let alone how mods apply.
[16:36:23] <michealpwalls> Indeed!
[16:36:40] <michealpwalls> I think, this is what makes Slashcode so interesting. It tackles an incredibly difficult subject :)
[16:36:49] <Nerdfest> I always seem to get points when I have something to say on a bunch of articles :(
[16:37:07] <michealpwalls> Whereas WP is all "*shrugs* whatevs, just comment bro :P" -- If Slashcode is the Republic, WP is the pure Democracy :)
[16:37:12] <michealpwalls> Where everybody has an equal voice
[16:37:13] <michealpwalls> (rofl)
[16:37:57] <prospectacle> I haven't had points yet. Maybe I don't log in enough (or too much).
[16:38:09] <michealpwalls> I think I have a few karma points, that what you mean? :P
[16:38:17] <prospectacle> no I mean mod points
[16:38:21] <prospectacle> like the ability to mod others
[16:38:22] <michealpwalls> Ohhh
[16:38:25] <michealpwalls> Yea no I don't have any of those :P
[16:38:35] <michealpwalls> I can't be trusted with mod points, har har har! :D
[16:38:44] <prospectacle> it's a dangerous game
[16:39:32] <janrinok> You have to set the option that you will be prepared to use modpoints - otherwise they don't get given to you.
[16:39:49] <janrinok> or at least that's how it used to work.
[16:39:50] <prospectacle> oh ok. I haven't checked whether it's set...
[16:40:04] <Nerdfest> I think it's set by default.
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[16:40:37] <michealpwalls> Yea, think it's default. I'm only kidding though. I would probs only use my points to mod down trolls, if I found one :/
[16:40:58] <michealpwalls> I'm pretty fair. I'd feel bad modding down somebody that wasn't blatantly trolling or flaming someon hehehee
[16:41:51] <prospectacle> yeah modding up seems more proper than modding down.
[16:42:23] <prospectacle> I mean let anyone have their say, and then just don't give them any points if you don't like it.
[16:42:59] <michealpwalls> hehe
[16:44:57] <janrinok> we encourage modding up rather than modding down but, of course, modding trolls etc is fair game. Do not mod down simply because you disagree with someone.
[16:45:18] <janrinok> But I think most people know those rules.
[16:45:56] <janrinok> We haven't had much modding abuse as far as we can detect.
[16:46:36] <michealpwalls> Yea
[16:46:40] <prospectacle> yeah it seems to be working well so far
[16:47:09] <prospectacle> I really like how much the current system has been based on an honour system. I hope it can last
[16:47:21] <janrinok> We have a few ACs who insist on acting like dicks, but they usually get modded out of sight within a very short time.
[16:47:46] <prospectacle> it amazes me sites like this can get away with allowing ACs but they can and it works somehow
[16:48:21] <janrinok> And we are proud of the fact that, despite claims to the contrary, I don't think that anyone is actually banned.
[16:48:57] <prospectacle> well I think very few would blame you if you did ban some people, at least temporarily. I mean nothing in the world is truly open to everyone without limit or consequence.
[16:49:19] <prospectacle> but I admire the fact that it hasn't been necessary and that you err on the side of inclusiveness
[16:49:35] <prospectacle> it's a rare and beautiful thing
[16:49:52] <janrinok> we are still small enough that the idiots soon become known to everyone else and then politely ignored.
[16:50:59] <prospectacle> yes, true. I have a half-baked political theory that size makes a much bigger difference in how well a system works, than people acknowledge.
[16:51:19] <michealpwalls> It's true ^
[16:51:23] <michealpwalls> At least, I agree :D
[16:51:37] <janrinok> Although I would welcome another 50,000 users or so....
[16:52:11] <prospectacle> humans evolved in groups of 100-300. It's different as a website, of course, full of lurkers. But imagine 300 active users. That seems about the right amount.
[16:53:38] <prospectacle> janrinok, yes, a few million would be good, as long as it meant a few hundred regularly active users.
[16:53:51] <janrinok> Its good in some ways but it is not self-sustaining in terms of submissions and comments. We have a much higher standard of comments than some other sites, but many stories have less than 20 comments total. It was the comments that most people said they wanted to read and we are not getting quite as many as we would like.
[16:54:36] <prospectacle> janrinok, it's a problem, no doubt. But having been around for a month or so, I see it getting better gradually. Keep the faith and you shall be rewarded beyong measure.
[16:54:45] <prospectacle> beyond
[16:56:22] <prospectacle> It used to be ~10 comments/article now it's ~15
[16:57:08] <prospectacle> you probably only want about 100 anyway. So you don't want it to blow up.
[16:57:18] <janrinok> Oh we don't mind continuing. The membership is still climbing - albeit much more slowly than it was - the page hits are getting some fantastic figures, and we do have a core that is enough to support us in the near-to-mid term. Enthusiasm is on the way up now that many of the initial teething problems have been sorted. There is still much to do - you wouldn't believe the niff-naff that we have to do behind the scenes just to keep the s
[16:58:07] <janrinok> But the team is generally all heading in one direction and taking pride in their work.
[16:58:40] <prospectacle> janrinok. I can only imagine. I think in a way it's a great benefit. Most sites have to claw and beg to get the first few thousand members. This site reached that milestone based on an existing common feeling from ex-/. users. The rest will be slow, but sure.
[16:59:39] <janrinok> brb - got to edit a story.
[16:59:43] <michealpwalls> That's why I proposed (At least, thought-about-a-loud) the ex-/. communities seriously discuss merging... For the benefit of all.
[16:59:51] <michealpwalls> Like Pipedot and other things like SoylentNews.
[17:00:21] <prospectacle> michealpwalls, well I joined both. i personally think it's not a problem. People will both if they want, and if one is better they'll read that one more often.
[17:01:04] <michealpwalls> A valid view, that's for sure :)
[17:01:37] <prospectacle> do you know about carthage?
[17:01:44] <michealpwalls> Yea. Hannibal? :P
[17:03:21] <prospectacle> that's right. Some romans thought carthage should be destroyed, and some senators (Cato the elder) would repeat it far beyond reason. It was the only serious, long-stnading competition to Rome.
[17:03:45] <prospectacle> michealpwalls, others thought the competition kept them sharp. Well they destroyed it in the end.
[17:04:12] <michealpwalls> mmm, indeed! At one point, I read Romans seen the struggle as a struggle for survival.. That only one empire will win, either Carthaginian Empire or Roman Empire..
[17:04:19] <michealpwalls> Ah, I see where you're going with this! Profound ;)
[17:04:22] <prospectacle> and now look at them. Just kidding but I think competition is definitely a good motivator.
[17:04:44] <michealpwalls> The Carthaginians kept the Romans "on their toes", so to speak? Once they were crushed, the Romans got lazy and let the standards slip? :P
[17:04:52] <michealpwalls> Interesting argument! I like it
[17:05:02] <prospectacle> that's one way to look at it, anyway
[17:05:07] <michealpwalls> Interesting :)
[17:05:19] <prospectacle> pipedot is carthage, we should beat them without destroying them. I would tell pipedot the same thing. Everybody wins.
[17:06:32] <xlefay> crutchy, not sure
[17:06:54] <michealpwalls> LOL prospectacle
[17:07:01] <michealpwalls> I just hope Pipedot doesn't have Elephants....
[17:07:03] <michealpwalls> :/
[17:07:13] <prospectacle> yeah that would be scary.
[17:07:56] <michealpwalls> It still leaves me awestruck, to imagine the first Roman legion to meet up against Hannibal's mercenary army with war Elephants (rofl)
[17:08:00] <michealpwalls> What a fucking sight, LOL
[17:08:09] <michealpwalls> Giant screaming elephants charging at your ranks :O
[17:08:38] <prospectacle> yeah i wouldn't fight an elephant, personally
[17:09:01] <prospectacle> do you know elephants mourn their dead?
[17:09:06] <prospectacle> that's not a common thing in the animal kingdom
[17:09:31] <michealpwalls> No, didn't know that hehe
[17:09:35] <michealpwalls> That's pretty interesting!
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[23:19:55] <arti> mafuggin
[23:20:20] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup man. Pretty slow in here. Gonna bail for a nap shortly.
[23:20:43] <arti> yeah
[23:20:48] * arti is catching up on some news
[23:20:54] <arti> then outside
[23:21:00] <arti> how've you been?
[23:21:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Lotta waiting around. Weather's been kinda shit lately.
[23:21:21] <arti> chilly
[23:21:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, lotta rain here also.
[23:21:40] <arti> that makes you moist
[23:21:51] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahah, yeah.
[23:22:08] <arti> contemplating seeing the new marvel movie, but yeah...
[23:22:16] <arti> the movie going experience isn't what it was
[23:22:19] <Ethanol-fueled> oh, captain america?
[23:22:24] <arti> yeah
[23:22:33] <arti> had a few friends see it, /is curious
[23:22:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Heard it has a lot of politically relevant themes for today.
[23:22:48] <arti> been awhile since i've seen a movie at the theatre
[23:23:32] <Ethanol-fueled> It's kinda aggrivating. There are still assholes fiddling with their phones during the movie, sometimes people take crying kids even to the night movies,
[23:23:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Only recently saw first 3-D movie, Promethius, and 3D is pretty cool.
[23:23:50] <arti> my favorite is translation
[23:24:09] <arti> it works well as a theatre gimmic
[23:24:14] * arti saw dredd in 3d
[23:24:29] <Ethanol-fueled> translation? What's that mean?
[23:25:28] <arti> converting the spoken dialog into a more localized format
[23:26:05] <arti> movie theatre gestapo need to exist >.>
[23:28:33] <Ethanol-fueled> write the first soylent review of the movie if you see it.
[23:28:45] <Ethanol-fueled> anyway, gonna bail now. Peace!
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