#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-03

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[00:00:04] <xlefay> http://modern.ie be afraid...
[00:00:06] <xlefay> of metro!
[00:00:37] <paulej72> michealpwalls: I don’t thik aything shipped with 9. Win 7 had IE8 as the default
[00:00:42] <kobach> ^
[00:00:57] <michealpwalls> Wow! xlefay's right :O
[00:01:01] <kobach> i use ie5
[00:01:06] <michealpwalls> That's pretty sweet, actually LOL
[00:01:08] <michealpwalls> thx
[00:01:26] <Blackmoore> ok I'm out - cya
[00:01:32] <michealpwalls> cya
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[00:01:49] <paulej72> michealpwalls: we default to IE9 at Princeton as our entreprise apps are not certified to run on anything newer, We have an older version of PeopleSoft that will be updated July 1.
[00:01:57] <xlefay> michealpwalls, no problem, I've never seen anyone who knew, willingly go near hell
[00:02:10] <kobach> ok ladies and gents we have here exhibit a; bacon https://farm8.staticflickr.com
[00:02:21] <xlefay> Good luck though and remember #soylent for all your swear parties re: IE
[00:02:22] <kobach> and exhibit b; jowl https://farm4.staticflickr.com
[00:02:26] <michealpwalls> haha
[00:02:32] <kobach> note the extra crispiness of the jowl
[00:02:34] <xlefay> ugh
[00:02:37] * xlefay kills kobach
[00:02:46] <kobach> xlefay: was continuing a conversation with paulej72 from earlier
[00:02:55] * xlefay steals his bacon
[00:03:00] <kobach> lol
[00:03:15] <xlefay> I'm actually hungry now, thank you!
[00:03:23] <kobach> im eating, not bacon
[00:03:27] <paulej72> kobach: I can see the thickness and the cripsiness
[00:03:36] <kobach> decided ill just finish it all off tommorow instead of splitting it
[00:03:38] <xlefay> I know, nonetheless, it still looks delicious
[00:03:40] <kobach> paulej72: nice
[00:03:49] <kobach> haha
[00:03:52] <kobach> you knew better
[00:04:15] <xlefay> A man can have wishful dreams now can't he
[00:04:40] <kobach> lol
[00:04:56] <xlefay> I'm disappointed :/ I could get out of the sl loop by ctrl+z
[00:05:02] <paulej72> I want some bacon icecream right now.
[00:05:11] <xlefay> :o
[00:05:19] <xlefay> I'm leaving before I get even hungrier
[00:05:21] <michealpwalls> They even provide different images for different VM hosts. This is surprisingly painless, so far :/
[00:05:23] <kobach> xlefay: why would you want out
[00:05:25] <michealpwalls> Not sure what to think about it all haha
[00:05:30] <kobach> :p
[00:05:37] <xlefay> kobach, cuz I had it set to 500
[00:05:42] <kobach> hahaha
[00:05:54] <kobach> i figure this will be done by the time im motivated to do anything
[00:06:00] <xlefay> Probably not, no
[00:06:21] <kobach> lol
[00:06:39] <xlefay> because when it ends, you'll just accidentally hit it by mistake
[00:06:53] <kobach> lol
[00:07:07] <kobach> god damnit it ended
[00:07:12] <kobach> im not motivated yet
[00:07:19] <xlefay> See what I mean?
[00:07:24] <kobach> ill set it to go for another 30 rounds
[00:07:34] <kobach> then maybe thatll give me time to smoke
[00:07:41] * xlefay should make the most of this time and quickly set aliases for kobach..
[00:07:49] <kobach> rofl
[00:07:55] <kobach> probably a bunch of asshole ones
[00:08:04] <kobach> change ls to aafire or some shit
[00:08:11] <xlefay> ha
[00:08:14] <michealpwalls> paulej72 Yea I've heard of that (legacy IEs to support legacy intranet apps and such). I just wish I had more warning. I'm not an IT guy, so I don't realy understand how some of the machines in this organization can be running IE10 and some running IE9 :/
[00:08:14] <kobach> cd get turned into cmatrix -l
[00:08:19] <michealpwalls> Just seems crazy to me hehe
[00:08:34] <kobach> michealpwalls: idiocy spreads rapidly with m$ products
[00:08:41] <michealpwalls> hah
[00:08:43] <kobach> if you're not an it guy why are you working on computers???
[00:08:53] <michealpwalls> Not *on*, *with* ;)
[00:08:59] <xlefay> kobach, cmatrix won't work with fish though :[
[00:09:00] <xlefay> I just tried
[00:09:10] <kobach> i didnt know computers cooperated
[00:09:11] <kobach> this is news
[00:09:16] <kobach> oh ok
[00:09:19] <kobach> bash?
[00:09:24] <kobach> im in bash
[00:09:24] <xlefay> oh nvm
[00:09:26] <xlefay> it works perfectly
[00:09:45] <kobach> oh im back in fish again
[00:09:52] <kobach> what the hell
[00:10:14] <xlefay> ?
[00:10:22] <michealpwalls> I use my own laptop technically, but meh. I'm a programmer. I just figured all these machines would be "pulling" updates from the same central server, so therefore be consistent... I guess I oversimplified things? hehe
[00:10:34] <kobach> oh ok
[00:10:43] <kobach> problem is i consider a programmer an it guy :p
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[00:10:48] <kobach> brb
[00:11:06] <michealpwalls> All the machines around me in the office i'm working are running IE10.. hehe. I just assumed the whole organization was running the same image, or however they managed it..
[00:11:36] <xlefay> Depending on the size of the org, it's likely they run at least wsus if they're >= mid-sized
[00:12:11] <paulej72> michealpwalls: if the mahines are domain controlled and use a local WSUS server you can have it not deploy IE updates for some time. On a single machine you can go to Microsoft Updates (bypassing the org level update server) and update to 10 or 11.
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[00:12:49] <xlefay> Window's weird
[00:12:53] <michealpwalls> hrmm
[00:13:01] <michealpwalls> Yea, that's for sure!
[00:13:18] <xlefay> I'd take CentOS over it any day *evil grin*
[00:13:20] <kobach> lol
[00:13:23] <michealpwalls> haha
[00:13:33] <paulej72> Microsoft has a tool that allows orgs to block newer IE installs from a local WSUS server. At some point the tool will stop working and the next version gets deployed anyway.
[00:13:59] <xlefay> paulej72, that's microsoft for ya, shoving stuff down one's throat since <insert date>
[00:14:48] <kobach> lol @ delaying updates for long periods of time
[00:14:49] <kobach> idiots
[00:14:52] <kobach> all orgs are
[00:14:56] <kobach> complete idiots
[00:14:59] <xlefay> eh not really no
[00:15:06] <michealpwalls> Well they're afraid of stability and regressions I think
[00:15:12] <xlefay> makes sense to roll out after a testing period
[00:15:27] <kobach> which is generally a short period of time
[00:15:28] <xlefay> The stupid thing is, most of them don't test, they just wait.. or roll out directly
[00:15:29] <paulej72> The blocking tool is to allow corporate users time to update there web pages to work with the new versions, but nto to be a crutch for which not to do any work
[00:15:42] <kobach> shouldnt have shitass webpages anyway is the problem
[00:16:05] <kobach> waaaaaay too many companies have shitass web shit that works with only IE, which is completely ignorant
[00:16:11] <kobach> and dumb
[00:16:13] <michealpwalls> Especially their big show tickets like PeopleSoft (We use it) and the servers like Exchange and all that garbage.. Although really I don't know much about it all except the basic concepts heehee
[00:16:39] <xlefay> eh, kobach it's all vendor lockin
[00:16:44] <xlefay> lock-in*
[00:16:46] <michealpwalls> I had brief experience with active directory in my small LAN just for educational purposes and well, yea. That's about why I'm not an IT guy :P
[00:16:59] <xlefay> AD is pretty nice tho
[00:17:08] <michealpwalls> vendor lock-in is so crazy in this org. I had to write a screen scraper a few weeks ago (dull)
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[00:18:13] <michealpwalls> brb
[00:18:18] <kobach> lol
[00:18:25] <kobach> yes xlefay
[00:18:28] <xlefay> You'd think them telescopes would be more stable
[00:18:36] <kobach> ^
[00:18:59] <xlefay> suppose you can't have it both ways
[00:19:06] <kobach> dunno
[00:19:09] <kobach> hubble is fine
[00:19:16] <kobach> after that incident with the mirror
[00:19:21] <kobach> in '90ish
[00:19:34] <xlefay> but it isn't on IRC, hence you can't have it both ways
[00:20:09] <kobach> well it is legacy equipt, protocols werent written for it back then
[00:20:21] <michealpwalls> It's minor though, it's a really good place to work. I blame MS and their silly ways :P
[00:20:23] <xlefay> damn vendor lock-in'
[00:20:32] <kobach> ^
[00:20:33] <michealpwalls> It's all well engineered... the "problems" with IE LOL.
[00:20:44] <kobach> yes well engineered problems indeed
[00:20:50] <xlefay> michealpwalls, don't you understand they're not bugs, they're features!
[00:20:58] <kobach> ^
[00:21:00] <michealpwalls> haha yes, indeed!
[00:21:01] <xlefay> How often does MicroSoft has to repeat itself before you'll start believin'?!
[00:21:05] <kobach> windows is a feature
[00:21:11] <michealpwalls> I know, you're right! I'm so dense :O
[00:21:20] <xlefay> "We must protect our users, especially from themselves."
[00:21:21] <kobach> boy that whole 1 desktop thing
[00:21:22] <michealpwalls> It's like DICE! hehe they just need to say it some more before I get it :)
[00:21:24] <kobach> really limiting
[00:21:30] <kobach> luckily theres aftermarket progs for it
[00:21:59] <xlefay> kobach, now that was actually a bug on Microsoft's part that worked out to their advantage so now it's a feature
[00:22:03] <michealpwalls> kobach Honestly that's my biggest missing feature when I'm on windows... I want more desktops. This one desktop gets so cluttered and crazy during the day...
[00:22:21] <xlefay> Actually. I have the same problem with unity
[00:22:32] <xlefay> Why the hell does it have workspaces if it shows every damn program on each one?!
[00:22:32] <kobach> michealpwalls: look for a program that adds desktops, theyre out there
[00:22:33] <michealpwalls> I'm so used to at least 4 virtual desktops to organize my stuff in and then I can flip desktops to quickly change tasks
[00:22:46] <kobach> i assume you're on 7 or 8?
[00:22:50] <michealpwalls> 7 hehe
[00:22:53] <kobach> perfect
[00:23:01] <kobach> theres definitely programs out there, ive seent them
[00:23:04] <michealpwalls> 8 wiped my gentoo partitions.. I dont' want to talk about it.
[00:23:08] <kobach> lol
[00:23:10] <kobach> 8
[00:23:16] <kobach> thats what you get for installing it!
[00:23:17] <michealpwalls> It "repaired" my PC (dull)
[00:23:24] <michealpwalls> No man! It came on this lappy!
[00:23:24] <xlefay> michealpwalls, so, it removed your gentoo partitions and it gave you a crappy OS.. well, that's microsoft for ya!
[00:23:33] <michealpwalls> I was all ".. whatevs, I'll try it. I'm platform agnostic!"
[00:23:35] <kobach> and then it removed them????????????????????????omg
[00:23:49] <kobach> im not platform agnostic
[00:23:51] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[00:23:52] <SlimShady> Added quote 91
[00:23:58] <kobach> i HATE macs
[00:24:09] <kobach> last time i tried to use one, took me 20-25mins to figure out how to download a torrent
[00:24:16] <xlefay> I'll take a 10 yr old mac over windows 8 any day
[00:24:22] <kobach> ^
[00:24:30] <kobach> i have a 15yr old mac
[00:24:33] <kobach> lol
[00:24:36] <kobach> os9
[00:24:39] <kobach> might be 8
[00:24:44] <kobach> i should go plug it in and find out
[00:24:55] <xlefay> Probably should try to download a torrent too!
[00:25:00] <kobach> itd be easier tbqh
[00:25:06] <kobach> i think
[00:25:13] <xlefay> go find out :P
[00:25:17] <kobach> lol
[00:25:24] <kobach> i dont think theres any torrent progs that run on os 8
[00:25:24] <xlefay> "20 days from now... I'VE FOUND IT!!!"
[00:25:42] <michealpwalls> I ran the entire 1st and 2nd semester with a Macbook Pro /w Retina, kobach. That's Computer Architecture and Organization, Intro to Programming, Networking Fundamentals, IBM's Mainframe Environment, Intro to Web Development, Intro to Relational Databases, Maths and all the garbage courses in-between.
[00:26:03] <michealpwalls> Come complain about your mac experiences after that :P
[00:26:06] <kobach> im sorry
[00:26:09] <kobach> im so sorry
[00:26:11] <michealpwalls> You should be..
[00:26:13] <xlefay> /w retina, is that an Apple feature?
[00:26:26] <kobach> isnt that the screen that you cant see shit with if its remotely bright?
[00:26:26] <michealpwalls> I don't even want to talk about Mainframe class with the mac (dull)
[00:26:33] <xlefay> Macbook pro, now with slash-w retina's!
[00:26:36] <kobach> lol michealpwalls , thats what my dad does for a living
[00:26:53] <michealpwalls> Retina was really a nice screen honestly! That's about all I can say about that $2,100 peice of shit
[00:26:54] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[00:26:57] <kobach> hes lived in IBM's mainframe environment for 36yrs
[00:27:04] <kobach> hahah peice of shit
[00:27:14] <kobach> if you want to spend $2100 on a notebook it best be a toughbook
[00:27:16] <xlefay> kobach, least he doesn't have to experience Windows 8 ;)
[00:27:16] <kobach> or a high end thinkpad
[00:27:20] <kobach> true
[00:27:41] <kobach> i at least cant argue much about os x, people seem to manage to use it every day
[00:27:42] <xlefay> ok I'm going to emulate Windows and crash, night night'
[00:27:46] <michealpwalls> I sold my macbook on a local trading site and bought this ASUS PC... For 1/3 the price. This machine absolutely *crushes* the Macbook in performance.
[00:27:50] <michealpwalls> It's not even a competition :D
[00:27:52] <kobach> rofl xlefay
[00:27:59] <kobach> lol michealpwalls
[00:28:00] <kobach> yup
[00:28:22] <kobach> spend $2100 on a thinkpad and you get 1900x1200 and a 4 core 3.6ghz proc
[00:28:29] <kobach> lol
[00:28:40] * kobach checks
[00:28:55] <michealpwalls> The problem with the macbook, is the case I think. Or at least the lack of serious ventilation. I found, even running gentoo with aggressive management tuning, the stupid thing could not keep itself cool under load. Absolute peice of junk :P
[00:28:59] <kobach> i wouldnt buy a new one for a while regardless, they changed the keyboard
[00:29:08] <kobach> its those chiclet keys now with a backlight
[00:29:16] <kobach> instead of the screen light, which i use all the time for non keyboard related stuff
[00:29:30] <kobach> yeah michealpwalls
[00:29:32] <michealpwalls> In OS X the setup favors noise/power over performance. It *alwaus* throttles down the CPU and turns off the Nvidia GPU when things are too hot... And that's whenever you're putting load on it :P
[00:29:41] <kobach> all aluminum case cant even disappate heat
[00:29:55] <kobach> while my thinkpad will passively cool anything under 70% load
[00:30:01] <michealpwalls> Hense why it "works", but run an OS that lets you change that and you hear the internal fans scream like a wounded animal for 1 and for 2 the thing *still* overheats...
[00:30:12] <michealpwalls> It's just aweful.. $2,100 retina display yup, that's what I bought :)
[00:30:17] <kobach> lol
[00:30:35] <kobach> neat, they make pc all in ones now
[00:30:42] <kobach> like the imacs of the 90s, but smaller
[00:31:13] <michealpwalls> This thing.. wow. It's a beast. I can heat a small room with the heat it pumps out the side of it, but that's the point.. It's actually properly pumping it out and doesn't touch any frequencies or voltages.. All 4 cores at 100% and both GPUs 100%, rockin' wit' my cock out boys :D
[00:31:27] <kobach> hahahaha
[00:31:41] <kobach> i wish i had gpu's in this 8 yr old laptop
[00:31:44] <kobach> fucking
[00:31:47] <michealpwalls> Yea, Dell makes really nice all-in-ones if you're into that sort of thing
[00:31:48] <kobach> intel 945 bullshit
[00:31:55] <michealpwalls> I've got two! (flex)
[00:31:57] <kobach> nah id buy from lenovo, i get a discount
[00:32:02] <michealpwalls> AMD for the win. Such great value (heart)
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[00:32:31] <michealpwalls> I couldn't afford an intel/Nvidia system (at the time) so that's the only reason I say AMD for the win haha. Lets not get into a big thing :P
[00:32:39] <kobach> theyve really expanded their line, they now have gaming thinkpads/towers
[00:32:47] <kobach> i prefer amd
[00:33:22] <michealpwalls> Lenovo is cool, I miss IBM ThinkPads. If you want a real eye-opener google/download a manual for an IBM ThinkPad. Those things are so amazingly engineered and documented! What a dream!
[00:33:48] <michealpwalls> Really was a "personal" computer. A lot today, the manuals are so terse.. Absolutely no info.. And you just can't do anything with them without voiding warranties or breaking things LOL
[00:36:18] <kobach> yeah ive taken quite a bit apart
[00:36:18] <michealpwalls> I mean you can literally swap out almost any component in those old IBM ThinkPads and it's well documented and supported. They used to have every single thing itemized and you could order it, pull the lappy apart and replace it yourself by following the manual's directions. This stupid manual for this ASUS machine doesn't even tell my why the power LED blinks green really fast sometimes :/
[00:36:28] <kobach> you dont even need documentation
[00:36:34] <kobach> take it apart and its all just common sense
[00:36:40] <kobach> its great
[00:36:41] <michealpwalls> Does my message get truncated or does excess get sent in a second message? LOL
[00:36:48] <kobach> didnt seem truncated
[00:36:53] <kobach> dunno
[00:36:55] <kobach> lets test
[00:37:05] <kobach> say what you just said twice
[00:37:09] <michealpwalls> LOL lets not get banned!
[00:37:10] <kobach> in 1 line
[00:37:18] <michealpwalls> brb, smoke break :P
[00:37:20] <kobach> im the one that would currently be doing any banning
[00:37:31] <kobach> so dont worry about it, nobody is here trying to have a convo other than us
[00:38:39] <kobach> managed to get a thinkpad up to $4469, could go a few hundred higher with other useless options(wireless broadband card etc)
[00:38:43] <kobach> for a mobile workstation
[00:38:49] <kobach> comes with Intel Core i7-4930MX Processor (8MB Cache, up to 3.90GHz)
[00:38:56] <kobach> 15.5” 3K (2880 x 1620), IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready, Color Sensor
[00:39:09] <kobach> NVIDIA Quadro K2100M 2GB
[00:39:18] <kobach> 32GB PC3-12800 DDR3L (4 DIMM)
[00:39:33] <kobach> 512gb sata 3 ssd
[00:39:36] <kobach> 1tb hdd
[00:39:47] <kobach> and intel dual band wireless
[00:40:14] <kobach> Battery Life Up to 6 hours with standard 6-cell removable battery
[00:40:15] <kobach> Weight Starting at 5.45 lbs
[00:40:15] <kobach> Speakers Stereo with Dolby® Home Theater® v4
[00:40:15] <kobach> Microphone Dual noise-cancelling HD microphones
[00:40:16] <kobach> Ports Thunderbolt, 2 USB 3.0, 2 USB 2.0, VGA, RJ-45, 4-in-1 card reader, express card, headphone/mic combo, mini DisplayPort
[00:40:45] <kobach> btw, it comes with a 99.9wh, 9 cell battery
[00:40:58] <kobach> not a 6 like the basic specs
[00:46:08] <kobach> for 2100 i went down to Intel Core i7-4700MQ Processor (6MB Cache, up to 3.40GHz), 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L (4 DIMM), a 500gb hybrid drive, and dvd recorder instead of 2nd drive
[00:46:24] <kobach> so i think thats still more than you get in a crapbook pro, not sure
[00:46:44] <michealpwalls> Quadro sounds really powerful (The word, haha0
[00:46:55] <kobach> yea i hear good things about it
[00:46:58] <michealpwalls> I envy marketing people sometimes. I could never come up with such a cool sounding name :(
[00:47:03] <kobach> haha
[00:47:16] <michealpwalls> "GPU #3450. It's really good, buy it."
[00:47:24] <kobach> lol
[00:47:28] <michealpwalls> hehe would you buy my GPU?
[00:47:32] <kobach> yup
[00:47:35] <michealpwalls> Wicked!
[00:47:44] <kobach> im sure its better than this shit intel
[00:47:45] <kobach> lol
[00:48:03] <kobach> i already had to replace the screen on this because the backlight went out
[00:48:17] <kobach> 5 minute proceess if i used power tools
[00:48:20] <michealpwalls> Intel GPUs are funny. They have such awesome, open source drivers for any random OS you throw at their website... But I mean, at the end of the day we're putting lipstick on a one-legged retard right? :/
[00:48:27] <michealpwalls> It makes me giggle so much
[00:48:27] <kobach> ^
[00:48:31] <kobach> horrible
[00:48:44] <kobach> luckily all the games i like are old anyway
[00:48:55] <kobach> i think the newest game id be willing to play regularly again is UT2004
[00:48:58] <kobach> hahaha
[00:49:10] <michealpwalls> That was politically incorrect of me, sorry haha.. I'm terrible, I'm going to go back to putting IE in a headlock
[00:49:23] <kobach> i cant think of a game past that that ive really been interested in
[00:49:35] <kobach> halo pc, dunno what year that came out
[00:52:51] <kobach> wheres poutine-- , we need to add some worthless arguments to this discussion
[00:52:54] <kobach> poutine--
[00:52:54] <SlimShady> karma - poutine: -335
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[01:04:28] <poutine--> Stick of Truth and Infamous Second Son was good
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[01:31:00] <Landon> indeed
[01:31:13] <Landon> I've been watching jesse coxs lets play of it
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[01:39:09] <kobach> sup Landon how u
[01:40:56] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - TalkTalk ISP Throttling Imgur Due To IWF List - http://sylnt.us - little-old-lady-next-door-is-watching-you
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[01:52:43] <kobach> its a level 49
[01:52:44] <kobach> whoops
[01:53:07] <paulej72> Landon: it seems all of the links that go to the wiki in the shortener, no longer work. The wiki link strructure changed recently
[01:54:02] <Landon> ugh
[01:54:03] <Landon> :\
[01:54:31] <Landon> you mean the tens of thousands of wiki links
[01:54:31] <Landon> ;p
[01:54:39] <kobach> rofl
[01:54:50] <paulej72> the old links have index.php in them. the new ones do not have that in the url
[01:55:03] <Landon> so it's all in mysql
[01:55:08] <Landon> does anyone have any SQL magic to fix this
[01:55:48] <paulej72> I don’t
[01:56:23] <Landon> (204) - soylentnews.org - SoylentNews | Predicting Adolescence Obesity From Age 6 Created 2 days ago
[01:56:28] <Landon> hey that article got some pretty good hits
[01:56:39] <Landon> only article in the top 5 most clicked
[01:57:13] <paulej72> http://wiki.soylentnews.org is incorrect, http://wiki.soylentnews.org is correct
[01:57:22] <Landon> ok
[01:57:32] <Landon> so I've only got 4 with more than 20 clisk
[01:57:35] <Landon> I'll fix those
[01:57:41] <paulej72> that is just a sample
[01:57:42] <Landon> but the rest can wait for a more automated solution
[01:58:57] <Landon> dev, getinvolved, devvm, ircvision have been fixed
[01:58:59] <Landon> any others we need?
[02:00:40] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 I think the old link style was http://wiki.soylentnews.org or something
[02:00:56] <mrcoolbp> the "/" wasn't there at the end methinks
[02:01:12] <Landon> there were both
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[02:01:27] <paulej72> no it was what i gave above becasue that worked at one point
[02:01:31] <Landon> ?title= and index.php/WikiPage
[02:01:50] <michealpwalls> paulej72, you don't happen to be at work do you? :)
[02:02:03] <paulej72> yes I am still at work
[02:02:03] <mrcoolbp> Landon: yeah that
[02:02:33] <michealpwalls> oh! could I borrow you in a few to test something with IE9? (This VM is taking a lot longer than I thought to download hehe)
[02:06:52] <paulej72> sure I have an IE9 machine close by I think
[02:08:55] <kobach> what is this
[02:08:58] <kobach> "IE9" you speak of
[02:09:04] <kobach> :p
[02:09:08] <michealpwalls> haha I know, it's foreign!
[02:09:19] <michealpwalls> Such a rare animal, it's hard to spot in the wild
[02:09:25] <michealpwalls> But if you ever spot one, look out mate!
[02:09:45] <kobach> lol
[02:10:36] <michealpwalls> What kills me is, mostly the site works fine in IE8, IE10 and IE11... The only IEs I have access to at home :/
[02:11:51] <stderr> I have found an easy way to get any HTML page to work in any browser... The trick is to define a browser as "a program that understands HTML", thereby excluding all versions of IE.
[02:12:26] <michealpwalls> hah
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[02:17:36] <kobach> lololol
[02:17:50] <kobach> !grab stderr
[02:17:50] <SlimShady> Added quote 92
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[02:19:31] <kobach> i wonder
[02:19:39] <kobach> if i put one of those slow moving vehicle orange triangles on my minibike
[02:19:44] <kobach> can i legally drive it on the road?
[02:19:47] <kobach> hahahaha
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[02:23:18] <kobach> there he goes again
[02:23:26] <kobach> hasnt been there for ages
[02:23:32] <kobach> used to be top on irc
[02:24:14] <kobach> errr
[02:24:15] <kobach> irpg
[02:24:48] <stderr> I will get my spot back...
[02:26:18] <kobach> nope
[02:26:25] <kobach> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:26:28] <kobach> 307.127. 1. No person shall operate on any public highway of this state any slow-moving vehicle or equipment after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, any animal-drawn vehicle, or any other machinery, designed for use or normally operated at speeds less than twenty-five miles per hour,
[02:26:35] <kobach> my minibike does 26-27
[02:26:51] <kobach> i think that might mean i need lights and shit
[02:26:58] <kobach> fuck it, ill just put on the orange triangle
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[02:29:06] <kobach> theres our porn star
[02:30:51] <paulej72> kobach: what no Amish in your state?
[02:31:04] <paulej72> discrimination
[02:31:30] <kobach> theres lots of amish here
[02:31:32] <kobach> why
[02:32:46] <michealpwalls> Gah, paule's a life saver! *bows*
[02:33:02] <kobach> lol
[02:33:16] <SpallsHurgenson> he's a small round fruit-flavored sucking candy?
[02:33:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I knew it!
[02:33:26] <michealpwalls> Yup! It's true, man!
[02:33:35] <kobach> i fucking saw amish shopping at aldi's in the middle of nowhere once
[02:33:43] <paulej72> no horse drawn vehicles after sunset to half hour before sunrise, amish need to go out at night too
[02:34:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder what amish porn is like...
[02:34:16] <paulej72> unless there is more to that statute
[02:34:49] <SpallsHurgenson> Ding dong! Prithee, we have come to buildeth thee a barn!
[02:35:08] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: it is done with chalk on a wirting slate.
[02:35:15] <kobach> im pretty sure they're good if they have lights
[02:35:23] <kobach> ive seen it
[02:37:41] <paulej72> I travel through Amish country in PA, but never at night. Lots of horses and buggies around Lancaster. Out in Western PA were i grew up we have a lot of Meninites now. They have less issues with technology, but still cling to the old ways
[02:38:15] <paulej72> Ok got to go home now. bbl
[02:38:27] <kobach> i only saw it at dusk
[02:38:36] <stderr> paulej72: "the old ways" = "v32.bis"?
[02:38:37] <kobach> they were headed home
[02:38:41] <kobach> rofl
[02:39:21] <paulej72> stderr: lol
[02:41:42] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - LinkedIn Emails Exposed Via Browser Add On - http://sylnt.us - how-is-this-possible?
[02:43:38] <kobach> what exactly is linkedin
[02:43:51] <kobach> what happens there, what does it do
[02:43:53] <kobach> etc
[02:45:26] <kobach> http://bofh.ntk.net
[02:46:23] <SpallsHurgenson> more reasons never, ever to fly: http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[02:48:56] <kobach> i just boycott them for the tsa
[02:49:05] <kobach> plus since i have a diesel its cheaper to drive almost everywhere
[02:49:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I use a giant catapult, as I think everyone here knows
[02:49:37] <kobach> yes
[02:49:47] <kobach> but thanks for more reasons to tell people to boycott the airlines
[02:49:55] <kobach> can never have enough
[02:50:56] <kobach> i remember
[02:50:58] * SpallsHurgenson isn't sure if he meant that he uses a catapult to fly or instead uses it on the TSA... I guess either way would be satisfactory :)
[02:51:01] <kobach> my first airline revelation
[02:51:06] <kobach> was from fight club
[02:51:17] <SpallsHurgenson> Stop talking about that!
[02:51:48] <kobach> lol
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[02:52:53] <SpallsHurgenson> next thing you'll mention is you-ess-eee-en-eee-tee! These things are unmentionable! Do not mention them!
[02:54:23] <michealpwalls> lol kobach linkedin is kind of like facebook
[02:54:33] <michealpwalls> Only without the games?
[02:55:56] <michealpwalls> That story's hilarious btw
[02:57:12] <michealpwalls> Think my download is choking off my IRC client LOL
[02:57:21] <kobach> lol
[02:57:48] <kobach> comp.misc
[02:58:11] <SpallsHurgenson> LinkedIn looked at Facebook and said, "that site is worthless and scummy; how can we become more like them?"
[02:59:40] <michealpwalls> lol
[03:02:19] <paulej72> im back
[03:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not sure that was a joke :
[03:03:56] <michealpwalls> "No, I didn't think you had", I say, changing the stairwell temperature to zero and cranking up the humidity. "But you've been running your program on the system already, haven't you?"
[03:03:58] <michealpwalls> rofl
[03:04:19] <kobach> hahahaha
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[03:10:14] <kobach> sup Bytram
[03:11:50] <Bytram> kobach: just trying to catch up things...you?
[03:12:05] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Predicting Language Skill Between Ages 2 and 3 - http://sylnt.us - your-language-skills-are-decided-by-your-parents
[03:12:26] <kobach> not much
[03:12:28] <kobach> reading BOFH
[03:12:44] <SpallsHurgenson> parents! They are to blame for everything!
[03:13:15] <SpallsHurgenson> if we get rid of parents, kids won't have any problems!
[03:13:31] <Bytram> kobach: BOFH? what a hoot!
[03:13:56] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: Children are hereditary... if your parent's didn't have any, you probably won't, either!
[03:14:50] <kobach> lol
[03:14:55] <kobach> yes i just posted
[03:15:01] <kobach> http://bofh.ntk.net
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[03:17:45] <MrBluze> hi all
[03:18:25] <Bytram> MrBluze: greetings!
[03:18:34] <MrBluze> hi Bytram how's things
[03:18:39] <MrBluze> did u get onto editorial?
[03:19:08] <Bytram> MrBluze: not yet... haven't seen lamx here for several days.
[03:19:19] <Bytram> methinks we've got complementary schedules.
[03:19:54] * Bytram wonders if that is two's complement arithmetic?
[03:20:50] <MrBluze> i dunno
[03:20:56] <MrBluze> i rarely catch him too ltely
[03:20:58] <Bytram> j/k
[03:21:07] <MrBluze> you can ask mattie_p, or NCommander if all else fails
[03:21:14] <Bytram> 'suppose I could e-mail him, or just ask the commander?
[03:21:20] <Bytram> heh!
[03:21:22] <MrBluze> yeah
[03:21:25] <MrBluze> snap ;)
[03:21:30] <kobach> all else fails ill go to his house
[03:21:52] <kobach> if hes missing for a long period of time
[03:22:02] <MrBluze> !seen xlaminator
[03:22:05] <Bytram> r u nayboars?
[03:22:14] <kobach> compared to everyone else yes
[03:22:17] <Bytram> !sen LaminatorX
[03:22:20] <Bytram> !seen LaminatorX
[03:22:27] <kobach> hes about 40min drive from here
[03:22:56] <Bytram> didn't know that! have you met?
[03:23:01] <kobach> nope
[03:23:13] <kobach> no clue his address or real name lol
[03:23:18] <Bytram> that's 20 minutes if you can meet somewhere near midway.
[03:23:56] <kobach> but this is to address his missing issue
[03:24:12] <kobach> if we're meeting, hes not missing, which defeats the purpose of meeting
[03:24:28] <Bytram> Doh! LOL!!!
[03:24:29] <kobach> going to download x-tank
[03:25:24] <Bytram> reminds me of ray-traced battlezone back in the early 80's IIRC.
[03:25:29] <kobach> lol
[03:25:40] <MrBluze> lol
[03:25:51] <kobach> vector graphics are always fun
[03:25:58] <Bytram> and that, in turn reminds me of Galaga-- wasted many a coin on THAT game!
[03:26:04] <kobach> hahaha
[03:26:18] <kobach> back when people could afford to go out and have fun
[03:26:40] <Bytram> My fave, though, was "Star Wars" by Atari, one quarter would get me just over an hour... then my fingers got too tired.
[03:27:04] <kobach> what a deal
[03:27:30] * Bytram also remembers how many quarters it took to be able to GET to that point... :(
[03:27:39] <kobach> loooooooool
[03:28:45] <Bytram> hmmm, looks like lamx's last posting on SN was on 3/29
[03:29:16] <kobach> interesting
[03:29:33] <kobach> hopefully hes not pulling a girlpluggedout
[03:29:39] <Bytram> look at SN.org/~laminatorx/
[03:29:45] <kobach> y
[03:29:50] <kobach> you just did for me
[03:29:51] <Bytram> hmm, whatever happened there?
[03:29:54] <MrBluze> u mean disappearing act?
[03:30:36] <kobach> ye
[03:30:37] <Bytram> kobach: I just meant to reference the souce of my info; in hopes you might have other ideas.
[03:30:43] <kobach> oh ok
[03:31:56] <Bytram> I know I had too take it easy for a couple days here so I could catch on things on the "home front"... maybe the same for him?
[03:32:15] <MrBluze> its useful to let people know
[03:32:20] <MrBluze> after all we are a team
[03:33:06] <SpallsHurgenson> no slacking! As a user who contributes nothing to the site, I demand extra features, and I want them now! :)
[03:33:21] <Bytram> would have been nice, but it could be that a bunch of little things all popped up at once?
[03:33:25] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: so, start coding!
[03:33:32] <Bytram> =)
[03:33:32] <kobach> oh my
[03:33:36] <Bytram> j/k
[03:33:38] <kobach> this one is quite evil http://bofh.ntk.net
[03:33:43] <kobach> like wow
[03:34:02] <kobach> thats fucked
[03:34:25] <Bytram> I spent too many hours on that site a few years back... my plate's too full now to dare look again
[03:34:30] <kobach> loooooooool
[03:34:37] <Bytram> hmm, plate? time to make dinner! aka
[03:35:01] <Bytram> I can't even spell afk! definitely need to eat!! LOL
[03:35:09] <Bytram> afk back in 5minutes or so
[03:35:19] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry, BOFH is not quite the same when you go back for seconds.
[03:35:27] <kobach> ^
[03:36:08] <kobach> tldr
[03:36:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I used to read BOFH in rec.humor
[03:36:08] <kobach> Later, inside the Municipal Energy Authority Computer, as I'm modifying the poor pleb's Energy Bill by several zeros, I can't help but think about what lapse of judgement - what act of heinous stupidity - causes them to call. Then, even later, when I'm adding the poor pleb's photo image over the top of the FBI's online "MOST Wanted Armed and Dangerous, SHOOT ON SIGHT" offenders list, I realise I'll probably never know; but then life goes on
[03:36:15] <kobach> A couple of hours later, as I see the SWAT vehicle roll up outside the poor pleb's apartment I realise that for some, it just doesn't.
[03:36:18] <kobach> But tommorrow is another day.
[03:36:20] <kobach> that
[03:36:23] <kobach> ^
[03:36:42] <kobach> is fucked
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[03:41:01] <kobach> sup Tachyon_
[03:41:05] <kobach> congrats on the ipv6
[03:41:11] <kobach> welcome to the 21st century
[03:41:18] <Tachyon_> hi :)
[03:41:20] <kobach> most people here are still in the 90s
[03:41:27] <Tachyon_> wow
[03:41:31] <kobach> yup
[03:41:32] <Tachyon_> that is the first time i've got it
[03:41:34] <kobach> not a lot of ipv6
[03:41:39] <Popeidol> actually yes
[03:41:44] <Tachyon_> hm
[03:41:46] <Popeidol> at the moment I'm trying to set up a p1 laptop
[03:41:49] <Popeidol> so I'm right in the zone
[03:41:53] <SpallsHurgenson> speak for yourself; some of us are well-rooted in the '80s... and we LIKE it
[03:41:55] <kobach> LOL
[03:41:59] <Tachyon_> it is not ipv6 it is only ipv4 translation
[03:42:06] <kobach> SpallsHurgenson: yes yes same ip scheme
[03:42:13] <kobach> oh ok
[03:42:19] <kobach> ahh yes
[03:42:23] <kobach> boring
[03:42:46] <kobach> lol
[03:43:03] <kobach> Underlying IPv4 is 78.
[03:44:23] <kobach> well anyway
[03:44:36] <kobach> SpallsHurgenson: dont worry im also stuck in the 80s
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[03:44:43] <kobach> ^^^ipv4
[03:44:48] <kobach> not even once
[03:50:37] <SpallsHurgenson> we should all go back to IPX and Netware :)
[03:50:53] <Bytram> uucp and bang paths
[03:55:12] <kobach> lol
[03:55:24] <kobach> thats fine, then i can play tiberian sun without a problem again
[03:55:45] <kobach> i love that game so much sometimes ill even boot into windows
[03:56:01] * SN gasps
[03:56:05] <SpallsHurgenson> no!
[03:56:12] <kobach> yes its true
[03:56:20] <kobach> the cursor makes it go super slow in linux
[03:56:24] <kobach> for some reason
[03:56:26] <kobach> so no go
[03:56:35] <kobach> :(
[03:56:46] <kobach> i wonder if ive tried on vm
[03:56:48] <kobach> im sure i have
[03:56:53] <kobach> hmm
[03:57:00] * kobach looks for a windows 2000 iso
[03:58:07] <kobach> windows 2000 all updates under 600 meg
[03:58:15] <kobach> windows 7 base install, 2.4gb
[03:58:44] <Popeidol> I only upgraded my parents from win2k last year
[03:59:17] <Popeidol> it was a damn solid OS
[03:59:21] <Bytram> kobach: maybe try a bsd variant, instead?
[03:59:21] <SpallsHurgenson> impressive; I wouldn't even know where to plug the mouse in with my parents
[03:59:23] <Popeidol> and you could run it on 32mb ram
[04:01:23] <kobach> Bytram: if it doesnt run on windows 7, a bsd variant sure as fuck isnt going to work
[04:01:38] <kobach> doesnt run out of the box*
[04:02:07] <kobach> lol
[04:02:10] <SpallsHurgenson> that reminds me, I need to upgrade my old MacMini from XP to... something
[04:02:13] <Bytram> never played it so I wouldn't know... just trying to think outside the "box" =)
[04:02:18] <kobach> lol
[04:02:22] <kobach> it needs to be in the box
[04:02:27] <kobach> it knows windows 98 and 2000
[04:02:41] <kobach> even xp needs compatability mode
[04:03:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder if it'll handle Win7...
[04:03:42] <Bytram> hmmm, does the game require a net connection?
[04:04:05] <kobach> no
[04:04:18] <kobach> it requires IPX to play though, people have tcp patches
[04:04:29] <Bytram> oh.
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[04:04:43] <Bytram> juggs: hiya!
[04:05:18] <juggs> hi :)
[04:05:52] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... apparently win7 needs bootcamp 4... I wonder what I have
[04:06:21] <stderr> http://i.huffpost.com
[04:07:55] <kobach> omg stderr
[04:08:00] <kobach> !grab stderr
[04:08:00] <SlimShady> Added quote 93
[04:08:17] <kobach> i wonder how long that link will work
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[04:29:15] <juggs> sco
[04:29:20] <juggs> d'oh
[04:37:54] <juggs> sl
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[05:11:35] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - NSA Performed Warrantless Searches in US - http://sylnt.us - but-its-legal-now-that-we've-changed-the-rules
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[05:13:05] <crutchy> good afternoon soylent
[05:13:09] <crutchy> hey kobach
[05:13:27] <crutchy> sorry mate my phone popped in by itself
[05:13:35] <crutchy> didn't see your msg
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[05:27:51] <kobach> lol
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[05:39:53] * arti o.o
[05:40:18] * crutchy salutes
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[05:42:05] <arti> greetings sir
[05:43:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I am now 93.75% sure my cat has a functioning teleport, although I have not yet determined if this an innate ability or whether she is using some sort of mechanical aid
[05:45:58] <arti> she always exits the room, never enters?
[05:46:43] <crutchy> are you sure its a cat?
[05:46:54] <crutchy> maybe a borg cat
[05:47:03] <arti> quicky, inquire what type of object it is
[05:47:10] <arti> s/quicky/quickly/
[05:47:10] <SedBot> <arti> quickly, inquire what type of object it is
[05:47:20] <crutchy> cat.classtype = ?
[05:47:28] <SpallsHurgenson> no, it might be a robot designed to look like a cat. I suspect this as well, with a 47.2% possibility
[05:47:51] <crutchy> calculated using www.catrobotprobabilitycalculator.com no doubt
[05:47:59] <arti> :t Cat
[05:48:26] <crutchy> lol damn that language thingo you learning
[05:48:38] <crutchy> forgotten it again
[05:48:42] <arti> haskell
[05:48:43] <crutchy> something german sounding
[05:48:45] <crutchy> lol
[05:48:48] <crutchy> yeah that's it
[05:49:06] <arti> you will become a true believer dr. jones!
[05:49:11] <crutchy> looks like a command to turn the cat inside out
[05:49:19] * arti would want to test that
[05:49:28] <arti> RRRrrrrrreeeow*fsst*
[05:49:36] <crutchy> lol
[05:50:12] <SpallsHurgenson> there is an 87.44% chance I would not survive such an attempt. There is a 61.88% chance the cat has laser-vision.
[05:50:52] <crutchy> definitely borg then
[05:50:57] <arti> have you been watching star trek again?
[05:50:57] <crutchy> either that or predator cat
[05:51:07] <crutchy> lol i can't get enough of seven of nione
[05:51:23] <arti> is that how many hotdogs fit?
[05:51:37] <SpallsHurgenson> I look in the room. There is definitely no cat lying on the floor.
[05:51:42] <SpallsHurgenson> I look away for three seconds.
[05:51:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I look back in the room. There is a cat laying comfortably on the floor.
[05:52:05] <SpallsHurgenson> It MUST be teleportation!
[05:52:21] <arti> and then you look away again and it's gone?
[05:52:24] <crutchy> is that in mattie_p's dungeon of kinky ascii pr0n
[05:52:31] <crutchy> ?
[05:52:52] <crutchy> i tried to beat up a mongrel in there but it scratched me the bitch
[05:53:14] <crutchy> i think i only died about 4 times
[05:53:27] <crutchy> there's dead crutchy's all over the place :-P
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[05:57:26] <crutchy> anyone know what would cause php's get_file_contents to throw an undefined error?
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[05:58:57] <stderr> crutchy: Something undefined?
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[05:59:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm glad somebody else said it :)
[06:01:15] <arti> stderr++
[06:01:15] <SlimShady> karma - stderr: 37
[06:01:32] <crutchy> :-P
[06:01:40] <crutchy> why didn't i think of that?
[06:02:06] <arti> crutchy: are you using a version of php > 4.3.0?
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[06:02:10] <crutchy> yup
[06:02:38] <crutchy> jared@binda:~$ php --version PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze19 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Feb 18 2014 13:59:15) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies with Suhosin v0.9.32.1, Copyright (c) 2007-2010, by SektionEins GmbH
[06:02:49] <arti> whats the error exactly?
[06:02:57] <arti> on failure it should return false o.o
[06:03:13] <crutchy> jared@binda:/var/www/slash/git/test$ php -f karma.php PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function get_file_contents() in /var/www/slash/git/test/karma.php on line 26
[06:03:49] <crutchy> i've used get_file_contents for years in web apps
[06:03:59] <crutchy> this is the first time i've used it on cli before though
[06:04:20] * arti wonders if it could some how be compiled out
[06:04:26] <stderr> So the function isn't throwing an undefined error... The function _is_ what's undefined.
[06:04:33] <crutchy> yeah
[06:04:34] <arti> --without-useful-features
[06:04:51] <crutchy> hmm
[06:04:59] <arti> try file_get_contents?
[06:05:02] * crutchy opens synaptic & searches php
[06:05:06] <crutchy> ok
[06:07:00] <crutchy> oh your fucking kidding me
[06:07:11] <arti> you're dyslexic :D
[06:07:15] <crutchy> i've been using file_get_contents for years
[06:07:26] <crutchy> suddenly i start typing get_file_contents
[06:07:36] <arti> sure you have, btw pass the bong
[06:07:46] * crutchy passes bong
[06:07:46] <arti> let's engineer some good feelings
[06:08:09] <kobach> oh hey now
[06:08:16] <kobach> somebody said the magic word
[06:08:21] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[06:08:21] * kobach takes bong
[06:08:31] * arti packs with some hash
[06:08:44] <kobach> crutchy: i love you
[06:08:53] <crutchy> waaaaazzuuuuuuuup!!!!!!
[06:09:08] <arti> now kith
[06:09:39] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:09:46] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:09:47] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:09:49] <kobach> ahahhahhaa
[06:09:52] <kobach> YO DOOGIE
[06:09:53] <kobach> PICK UP THE PHONE
[06:09:55] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:09:57] <crutchy> WAAAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!!!!!!!!!
[06:09:57] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:10:00] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:10:12] <crutchy> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP++
[06:10:12] <SlimShady> karma - waaaaaazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap: 1
[06:10:14] <kobach> ahahahhaahah
[06:10:17] <stderr> Dave's not here, man...
[06:10:29] <kobach> WAAAAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP stderr
[06:10:29] <crutchy> yo arti: pick up the phone
[06:10:33] <kobach> ^
[06:10:42] * arti picks up the phone
[06:10:44] <crutchy> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:10:47] <kobach> WAAAAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP stderr
[06:10:50] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:10:50] <stderr> kobach: Yes... ^ is up.
[06:10:52] <arti> one of the few american beer commercials to do well internationally
[06:11:00] <kobach> no this was a movie
[06:11:15] <crutchy> hey sedbot.... WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:11:18] <kobach> dont remember the commercial since i dont watch tv much
[06:11:22] <crutchy> s/WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/g
[06:11:32] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:11:41] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP x5
[06:11:44] <kobach> HAHA
[06:11:46] <crutchy> s/WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/
[06:11:47] <kobach> this belongs in ## not here
[06:11:51] <crutchy> lol
[06:11:53] <crutchy> yeah
[06:11:53] <kobach> but fuck it
[06:11:57] <crutchy> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[06:12:00] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP x5
[06:12:07] <kobach> WAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:12:15] <kobach> hahahahahaha
[06:12:22] <arti> hahaha
[06:12:26] <crutchy> we're all maturity in here... n shit
[06:12:31] <kobach> no
[06:12:32] <kobach> im here
[06:12:34] <kobach> thats a lie
[06:12:42] * arti finds something to eat
[06:12:43] <arti> brb
[06:13:14] <crutchy> i'm sure that scene probably sold some beer
[06:13:20] <kobach> lol
[06:13:22] <crutchy> amongst other stuff
[06:13:25] <kobach> ^
[06:13:27] <kobach> i was about to say
[06:13:28] <kobach> lol
[06:14:09] <kobach> arti: pass the hash to ## please
[06:14:12] <kobach> the hash channel
[06:14:31] <kobach> iirc this channel is supposed to be PG
[06:14:47] <kobach> not that i give a shit, but not my rules
[06:15:15] <kobach> not my channel, unlike ##
[06:15:22] * MrBluze looks at kobach
[06:15:27] <kobach> hi MrBluze
[06:15:34] <MrBluze> 'sup bro
[06:15:36] <crutchy> hey mrbluze
[06:15:36] <kobach> im trying to get the weed smell into a different room
[06:15:43] <MrBluze> oh
[06:15:46] <crutchy> you need a pipe
[06:15:50] * SN sprays febreeze
[06:15:53] * MrBluze sprays the room with roundup
[06:15:57] <crutchy> lol
[06:16:03] <kobach> oh my
[06:16:05] <kobach> get out
[06:16:06] <crutchy> #soylent < pipe > ##
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[06:16:08] <arti> kobach, just rig up a tube with some dryer sheets in it
[06:16:22] <kobach> arti: you had it last, not me
[06:16:23] <arti> it'll smell like laundry...
[06:16:34] <arti> i want to get some more coding in prior to that
[06:16:38] * arti has opted for a beer
[06:16:42] <kobach> lol
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[06:16:56] <kobach> see
[06:17:01] <crutchy> now that arti has de-retarded my code i can actually run it :-P
[06:17:13] <arti> you must be tired or something not to catch that
[06:17:13] <kobach> if you would have taken it to ## wed still have our porn star
[06:17:21] <kobach> now we're just left with juggs|afk
[06:17:23] <arti> we have a porn star?
[06:17:26] <kobach> yeah
[06:17:29] <kobach> balls hurgenson
[06:17:50] * arti imagines fuzzy dice
[06:17:54] <kobach> HAD a porn star, i guess he doesnt smoke
[06:17:58] <kobach> which is odd
[06:18:24] <kobach> i chased him out of ## and now hes been chased out of #soylent good job men
[06:18:36] <kobach> mission failed
[06:18:36] <MrBluze> how come?
[06:18:48] <kobach> lol thats probably just his default quit msg MrBluze
[06:18:56] <kobach> how come he left ##?
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[06:19:00] <MrBluze> lol ko
[06:19:01] <kobach> look at what goes on in there
[06:19:04] <MrBluze> ok
[06:19:08] <MrBluze> ## ? bacon
[06:19:15] <kobach> hes not young like audioguy
[06:19:17] <MrBluze> streaky bacon
[06:19:25] <kobach> theyre both not young
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[06:19:26] <MrBluze> sexy smeary greasy bacon
[06:19:29] <arti> :|
[06:19:35] <kobach> oh i forgot
[06:19:39] <kobach> we do have prospectacle the testacle
[06:19:39] <crutchy> ew
[06:19:44] * arti snickers
[06:19:53] <kobach> our other porn star
[06:20:01] <crutchy> hey prospectacle,subsentient
[06:20:07] <arti> i worked with a guy who came up with great nicknames
[06:20:09] <MrBluze> hi Subs, prosp
[06:20:12] <kobach> whereas Subsentient
[06:20:16] <kobach> i dont even know what to do with him
[06:20:21] <kobach> hes all over the place
[06:20:31] <arti> guy with dandruff named sean? parmasean.
[06:20:38] <kobach> omg
[06:20:38] <crutchy> lol
[06:20:40] <crutchy> wrong
[06:20:43] <kobach> arti++
[06:20:43] <SlimShady> karma - arti: 36
[06:20:47] <crutchy> arti++
[06:20:47] <SlimShady> karma - arti: 37
[06:21:14] <Subsentient> kobach: I'm the guy that makes everyone feel weird at the group counseling sessions.
[06:21:14] <arti> it was bad when even the taiwanese developers would complain when the dude visited their offices
[06:21:25] <kobach> Subsentient: that explains it
[06:21:38] <Subsentient> kobach: Sanity is for the unimaginative
[06:21:38] <kobach> arti: oh my
[06:21:41] <arti> subsentient begins the meetings with: "i have a huge boner"
[06:21:42] <kobach> !grab arti
[06:21:42] <SlimShady> Added quote 94
[06:21:47] <crutchy> subsentient++
[06:21:47] <SlimShady> karma - subsentient: 1
[06:21:57] <kobach> lol
[06:22:00] <crutchy> finally i have an excuse :-P
[06:22:21] <crutchy> lol @ arti :-P
[06:22:40] <kobach> Subsentient: this explains a lot of my thoughts
[06:22:44] <crutchy> i gets really weird if the guys around you start looking though
[06:22:54] <kobach> lol
[06:23:02] <arti> crutchy, that's why you surprise them, you accidently text them a dong picture and joke about the size
[06:23:08] <kobach> oh my
[06:23:10] <arti> in reality, it's yours and you have the last laugh? or something
[06:23:21] <kobach> oh my
[06:23:23] <arti> one of my friends does that... *looks around*
[06:23:27] <kobach> oh my
[06:23:29] <MrBluze> how did u know, arti?
[06:23:30] <crutchy> or you just flop it out and think of hot borg chicks
[06:23:40] <arti> no, entirely doods and sweaty socks
[06:23:52] <arti> it's the smell /mr smith
[06:24:04] <crutchy> i can't stand it any longer either
[06:24:15] * arti waits for the pizza to heat
[06:24:17] <crutchy> i can taste kobach's stink
[06:24:35] <crutchy> and every time i do i fear that i've somehow been infected by bacon
[06:24:42] <arti> "sup guys, i just ran around so now i'm sweaty, let's take a ride in the lift"
[06:24:44] * kobach hands crutchy some jowl
[06:24:58] <MrBluze> just wear a face mask stuffed with bacon rashers
[06:25:02] <kobach> rofl
[06:25:03] <MrBluze> and everything will be ok
[06:25:05] <arti> bacon is not a pillow
[06:25:09] <kobach> no
[06:25:13] <kobach> thats gross
[06:25:19] <arti> not when you butter it
[06:25:24] <kobach> thats even worse
[06:25:27] <MrBluze> buttered bacon..
[06:25:33] <kobach> not on your face
[06:25:35] <stderr> http://www.huffingtonpost.com Read headline, then scroll down to number 9...
[06:25:37] <kobach> in my mouth yes
[06:25:37] <MrBluze> and shove a few pieces of crackling up your nose
[06:25:44] <kobach> oh my
[06:25:47] <stderr> PigBellyStrips++
[06:25:47] <SlimShady> karma - pigbellystrips: 1
[06:25:53] <kobach> jowl++
[06:25:53] <SlimShady> karma - jowl: 4
[06:26:06] * MrBluze puts some crackling into the incense burner
[06:26:11] <MrBluze> real aromatherapy
[06:26:16] <kobach> LOL
[06:26:27] <kobach> i suppose you could put the bacon grease into a candle
[06:26:37] <arti> oh there's an awesome commercial with aroma therapy, unos
[06:27:00] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[06:27:18] <crutchy> aromatherapy = funny sounding farts
[06:27:34] <MrBluze> u have to use big oil
[06:27:38] <MrBluze> nothing else is right
[06:27:40] <MrBluze> pig oil
[06:28:17] <MrBluze> wellp.. im off again
[06:28:20] <MrBluze> back to ol' work-o
[06:28:28] <arti> keep sorting those cat pictures bro
[06:28:28] <MrBluze> see uze all laytah
[06:28:31] * arti salutes
[06:28:41] <crutchy> cya mrbluze
[06:28:42] <kobach> have fun
[06:28:45] <MrBluze> ciao
[06:28:47] <arti> miau!
[06:28:48] <MrBluze> im having fun ;)
[06:28:52] <MrBluze> miau
[06:28:56] <kobach> rofl @ pig oil
[06:30:34] <kobach> piss oil
[06:30:36] <kobach> how about that
[06:30:46] * kobach hands #soylent a piss candle
[06:30:53] <kobach> there, fuck you
[06:30:54] <kobach> lol
[06:31:21] <arti> trolling candle stores?
[06:31:27] <arti> "yeah it's... uh... special"
[06:31:29] <kobach> loooooooooooool
[06:31:34] <kobach> XD
[06:31:54] <arti> "i have a box of 10, we can do it on consignment"
[06:31:55] <kobach> WAAAAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!!!!11
[06:32:24] <kobach> who the fuck is bacon...
[06:32:30] <kobach> and coffee... someone is fucking with me
[06:32:48] <kobach> an aussie
[06:33:05] <kobach> crutchy
[06:33:18] <kobach> why isnt this bot in ##
[06:33:20] <prospectacle> Dear honourable website SN: The dates on this page: http://logs.sylnt.us and others like it, should be in the reverse order, so you don't need to scroll to see today.
[06:33:26] <kobach> still testing?
[06:33:36] <crutchy> yeah
[06:33:42] <Subsentient> brb
[06:33:43] <prospectacle> Yours truly, prospectacle
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[06:33:50] <crutchy> sorta kinda works-ish
[06:33:57] <crutchy> rainbow karma
[06:34:06] <crutchy> just gotta implement the colors
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[06:34:27] <kobach> i looked up and i noticed bacon and coffee(under acct bacon) identified
[06:34:33] <kobach> like "wtf?"
[06:34:47] <crutchy> xlefay had to help me with the group thing :-P
[06:35:30] <kobach> lol
[06:36:23] <arti> "If those new fine leather golf gloves that you just bought were made in China, the reason why they're so soft and supple is that they're made from the testicles of stolen dogs"
[06:36:41] <crutchy> nah wouldn't be testacles
[06:36:46] <crutchy> they're too much a delicacy
[06:36:50] <arti> http://www.businessweek.com
[06:37:18] <kobach> ahh i forgot to apply my snomasks
[06:37:29] <kobach> i can now see everything
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[06:39:22] <kobach> sup #Soylent
[06:40:43] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Why the Government Should Provide Internet Access - http://sylnt.us - cue-the-America-is-too-big-apologists
[06:41:47] <kobach> lol
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[06:48:18] <Subsentient> $commands
[06:48:22] * Subsentient snarls
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[07:17:47] <arti> much better
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[07:51:36] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Monkeys Live Longer on Less Calories - http://sylnt.us - I-guess-we-eat-too-much
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[08:40:12] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Monkeys Live Longer on Fewer Calories - http://sylnt.us - I-guess-we-eat-too-much
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[10:09:14] <crutchy> !updatestats
[10:09:51] * arti o.o
[10:10:23] <arti> bleh building shopping carts is work
[10:10:37] <crutchy> waaaaaaaaazzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:10:55] <arti> WAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAA
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[10:22:48] <crutchy> !updatestats
[10:23:30] <arti> i should have that commit to git
[10:24:17] <crutchy> all those bar chart segments are individual images!
[10:24:22] <crutchy> wtf
[10:24:32] <arti> yeah, total programmer style
[10:24:47] <arti> you should see the templates
[10:25:13] <crutchy> don't think i want to
[10:25:23] <crutchy> holy crap that must be a huge crapload of css
[10:25:51] <crutchy> i kinda just assumed something like gd
[10:25:58] <arti> ewww
[10:26:03] <arti> it's all about tiling yo
[10:26:27] <crutchy> with gd, each chart comes down the tubes as a single gif
[10:26:41] <crutchy> and no css
[10:26:57] <arti> yeah, but raster graphics suck
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[10:27:16] <crutchy> can do it as png
[10:27:17] <arti> ENHANCE. ENHANCE.
[10:27:25] <crutchy> using ttf
[10:27:27] <arti> png is still raster
[10:27:40] <arti> svg support is still meh
[10:27:42] <crutchy> what's wrong with raster
[10:27:54] <arti> if you scale it up, it gets ugly
[10:28:02] <arti> scope out some images on an ipad for example
[10:28:05] <crutchy> the images in your chart are raster, no?
[10:28:18] <arti> i didn't design that beast
[10:28:32] <arti> one method is using "slivers" and then repeating them
[10:28:39] <crutchy> sorry yeah i know i meant the images in the chart on your websity thing :-P
[10:28:50] * arti didn't mean to come off like aj erk
[10:28:57] <crutchy> gd images look pretty cool
[10:29:07] * arti prefers imagemagick
[10:29:16] <crutchy> you can draw them large as you like and then use css to reduce
[10:29:26] * arti appends img-responsive
[10:29:30] <arti> class, yay bootstrap
[10:29:38] <crutchy> or i prefer imagecopyresampled
[10:29:43] * arti started with foundation then migrated to bs for the nifty widgets
[10:30:04] <arti> i like to use as much css as possible, images are meh
[10:30:27] <crutchy> i did a flow chart with css once
[10:30:49] <arti> for some fun you might want to look into qml
[10:30:58] <arti> pretty crazy doing applications that way
[10:31:22] <arti> i totally want to do some delphi record stuff
[10:31:32] <crutchy> line markup looked like this:
[10:31:34] <crutchy> <div style=\"padding: 0px; margin: 0px; height: 1px; background-color: black; line-height: 1px; position: absolute; left: ".$cx."px; top: ".$cy."px; width: ".$L."px; -moz-transform: rotate(".$angle."deg); -webkit-transform: rotate(".$angle."deg); -o-transform: rotate(".$angle."deg); -ms-transform: rotate(".$angle."deg); transform: rotate(".$angle."deg);\"></div>
[10:31:40] <arti> inline styles, hiss
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[10:31:40] <crutchy> :-P
[10:31:48] <crutchy> dynamically generated
[10:32:01] <arti> decoupling!
[10:32:09] <crutchy> draws a diagonal line with css
[10:32:27] <arti> well the important thing is it works
[10:32:48] <crutchy> the flowchart i used it for was huge
[10:32:58] <crutchy> it was a function call flowchart
[10:33:09] <crutchy> locked fucking awesome
[10:33:21] <crutchy> s/loc/look/
[10:33:21] <SedBot> <crutchy> lookked fucking awesome
[10:33:26] <crutchy> oh fuck
[10:33:36] <arti> ah cool, i use visio for that. non interactive
[10:33:55] <crutchy> i'm just lazy
[10:34:06] <crutchy> if i code it once i never have to worry about it again :-P
[10:34:38] <arti> hahaha
[10:35:16] <crutchy> and it might even show some weirdness
[10:35:19] <crutchy> if i fuck up
[10:35:36] <crutchy> lines going to unexpected calls etc
[10:36:06] <crutchy> haven't really used it for that though
[10:36:09] <arti> as long as the key parts work for the demo that's fine
[10:36:20] <crutchy> every time i look at it i get a geekgasm
[10:37:03] <arti> you give demos frequently?
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[10:39:07] <arti> http://bartaz.github.io
[10:40:25] <SoyCow4537> when moderating, got "Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights". This is already mentioned in bug #125. Do I need to report this? Unless advised otherwise, I'll assume this issue is well known already and not requiring a "me too".
[10:41:11] <arti> thanks for letting us know :)
[10:41:13] <crutchy> is there a pastebin for images?
[10:41:27] <arti> crutchy photobucket? imgur?
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[10:41:50] <crutchy> one where i don't have to signup and all that bs
[10:42:19] <arti> http://postimage.org
[10:43:24] <MrBluze> interesting
[10:44:28] <crutchy> looks a bit dodgy as a jpg screen cap, but http://postimg.org
[10:44:53] <crutchy> that's all driven by css
[10:45:08] <crutchy> it's just a bunch of divs
[10:45:57] <crutchy> i had to trim out all the surrounding stuff cos it's a work thing...
[10:46:17] <arti> that's pretty cool, no worries
[10:47:19] <arti> bleh i need to document application flow
[10:47:23] <crutchy> i like gd, but i guess there are some things where css can do some cool stuff
[10:48:07] <swiss> http://www.spamfighter.com
[10:48:32] * arti read about that
[10:48:36] <swiss> be careful of it
[10:48:53] * arti sends swiss shiny.exe
[10:49:17] <swiss> it's super dangerous, and being distributed pretty widely. Don't assume that a company email is safe just because you recognize the source domain
[10:49:20] <swiss> (all i can officailly say)
[10:49:40] <arti> how many people run .exe from email
[10:50:01] <arti> "oh sweet, ups_receipt.exe"
[10:50:01] <arti> "well that was weird, anyway back to cats.com"
[10:50:03] <swiss> with the new rtf 0 day
[10:50:05] <crutchy> i end up changing that chart of an expandable tree view cos the chart was a bit too big. couldn't print it out and had to scroll for miles to get around
[10:50:09] <swiss> quite a few more
[10:50:22] <swiss> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com
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[10:50:47] <crutchy> have you ever had an email come into outlook and automatically set an appointment?
[10:51:07] <crutchy> apparently there's no way (in outlook 2010 anyway) of disabling that ability
[10:51:20] <arti> why do you hate features crutchy
[10:51:30] <arti> btw can you click on the blue doc_links to view teh codez?
[10:51:44] <swiss> crutchy: there's a way to auto-deny them in the options
[10:51:46] <crutchy> nah opens a page that tells you about it
[10:51:50] <crutchy> nah
[10:52:09] <crutchy> the only way i could stop it is to turn off the preview pane in inbox
[10:52:14] <swiss> also, if anyone has a malware sample for a successful 0 day rtf, lmk
[10:52:16] <crutchy> to stop outlook from opening message
[10:52:31] <crutchy> what features arti?
[10:52:31] <swiss> crutchy: vuln only affects you if you use word as the viewer
[10:52:48] <arti> crutchy: auto calendar
[10:52:57] <Popeidol> crutchy: does it actually book or tenatively book the appointment?
[10:52:57] <crutchy> i don't know what it uses. i was getting these weird appointments showing up and they came from spam
[10:52:59] <swiss> i have no clear cut malwaye sample for a true RTF 0 day attack.
[10:53:13] <crutchy> i think it was tent, but still popped up a dialog
[10:53:28] <Popeidol> I definitely remember a setting disabling that
[10:53:42] <crutchy> there was a setting that looked like it should
[10:54:32] <crutchy> dunno can't remember exactly, but someone brought up email spam thought i'd chuck it out there
[10:55:00] <crutchy> best solution is prolly to avoid outlook
[10:55:02] <Popeidol> apparently it's under the tracking options
[10:55:15] <Popeidol> but I'm running 2007 and cannot verify
[10:55:44] <crutchy> had a bunch of IT nerds standing around at one point going through all the settings
[10:55:50] <Popeidol> http://www.msoutlook.info
[10:55:51] <crutchy> i didn't bother trying to figure it out
[10:56:04] <crutchy> but it must've cost the company a few manhours :-P
[10:57:16] <crutchy> popeidol: yeah i think i remember seeing that check box
[10:57:27] <arti> hey swiss
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[11:00:21] <arti> http://contagiodump.blogspot.com has an archive with a file in it
[11:00:29] <arti> need to contact the dude for the pw
[11:00:33] <arti> looks legit
[11:02:45] <crutchy> lol
[11:02:48] <crutchy> <xlefay> ok I'm going to emulate Windows and crash, night night'
[11:02:54] <crutchy> lmao!
[11:03:16] * arti is going to core dump
[11:03:40] <crutchy> :-D
[11:04:33] <crutchy> bacon++:
[11:04:43] <arti> sehr salzig
[11:15:26] * arti is calling it a night, catch ya on the flip side
[11:15:39] <crutchy> cya arti
[11:15:58] <arti> yes, kudos on the flowchart
[11:16:12] <crutchy> thanks mate. it was a bit of fun
[11:16:27] <crutchy> not overly useful
[11:16:49] <arti> add some animate.css to it
[11:16:56] <arti> have it fade in when you scroll over to it
[11:17:05] <crutchy> lol
[11:17:16] <arti> http://daneden.github.io
[11:17:31] <crutchy> holy carp
[11:18:08] * crutchy closes browser window and backs away
[11:18:43] <crutchy> i don't wanna get stuck in there :-P
[11:18:48] <arti> heh
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[11:19:06] <arti> wise move, going to read a little bit /waves
[11:19:19] <crutchy> cheers
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[12:17:55] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[12:18:03] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[12:18:05] <MrBluze> how u going?
[12:18:10] <crutchy> i'm good
[12:18:16] <crutchy> how bout yourself?
[12:18:20] <MrBluze> not bad
[12:18:23] <MrBluze> always busy
[12:18:49] <crutchy> i guess busy is better than bored, but it's nice to have some downtime
[12:18:56] <crutchy> welcome to the downtime lounge :-)
[12:19:04] <MrBluze> i could use some downtime
[12:19:06] <MrBluze> ;)
[12:19:15] <MrBluze> wachu been upto?
[12:19:26] <crutchy> working on a bot
[12:19:30] <crutchy> :-P
[12:19:46] <Popeidol> you people seem to know computers
[12:19:56] <crutchy> atm i'm polishing off a ban algo to prevent karma gaming
[12:20:05] <Popeidol> what are the chances of getting a bare bones debian stall running with about 40mb ram?
[12:20:09] <crutchy> for my rainbow karma bot :-D
[12:20:16] <MrBluze> hmm.. dsl
[12:20:18] <Popeidol> I think I'll definitely be pushing it
[12:20:23] <MrBluze> debian is big
[12:20:24] <crutchy> lol i was about to fire that off
[12:20:34] <crutchy> beat me to it :-P
[12:20:45] <Popeidol> it is, but I also want support for stuff that didn't have great support in dsl
[12:20:52] <Popeidol> specifically a pcmcia wireless card
[12:21:12] <crutchy> i bet the apollo astronauts wanted a microwave too :-P
[12:21:21] <MrBluze> u could take something like arch
[12:21:23] <Popeidol> no need to get x running or anything
[12:21:30] <crutchy> i guess you can only fit what you can fit
[12:21:39] <MrBluze> well
[12:21:43] <MrBluze> u make a big linu
[12:21:44] <MrBluze> +x
[12:21:50] <MrBluze> then compile your required drivers
[12:22:01] <MrBluze> and make a tiny linux with the same parameters and versions etc
[12:22:06] <MrBluze> and shift the drivers across
[12:22:10] <MrBluze> .. ?
[12:22:19] <crutchy> do you have decent hdd?
[12:22:29] <Popeidol> it'll be running off a 2 or 4gb microsd
[12:22:30] <crutchy> you could make up for small ram with big swap
[12:22:42] <crutchy> would be slower
[12:24:06] <MrBluze> if u have the patience
[12:24:15] <MrBluze> u can make a large swap, compile drivers
[12:24:23] <MrBluze> then kill the swap once u have finished setting it up
[12:24:42] <MrBluze> debian is a bit big.. but if u compile your own everything it can be shrunken just like any other
[12:25:05] <MrBluze> though i never tried doing it beyond getting it to 128mb
[12:25:17] <crutchy> you can also set up debian on a decent machine and then change hdd into your smallish one
[12:25:28] <crutchy> as long as architecture is similar
[12:25:31] <MrBluze> lemme google for a sec
[12:26:04] <Popeidol> crutchy: that's my plan, since there is no usb or cdrom on the machine it's going on
[12:26:14] <crutchy> if you install it first on decent machine, get rid of all the cruft, then boot it on your smallish thing it might work
[12:26:20] <MrBluze> pebble, picodebian
[12:26:21] <crutchy> i would still give decent swap though
[12:26:25] <Popeidol> I can always settle for something like slitaz if needed, but I think I might almost manage to scrape in with debian
[12:27:00] <Popeidol> crutchy: that's exactly my plan of attack
[12:27:05] <crutchy> debian seems to be pretty forgiving when changing a hdd from one machine to another
[12:27:09] <Popeidol> if it works it'll save me a lot of time and effort
[12:27:15] <MrBluze> i got puppy running on a 64mb laptop
[12:27:26] <crutchy> s/hdd/system hdd/
[12:27:26] <SedBot> <crutchy> debian seems to be pretty forgiving when changing a system hdd from one machine to another
[12:27:37] * crutchy kicks sedbot
[12:27:41] <Popeidol> yeah, debian doesn't give a damn
[12:27:52] <Popeidol> this desktop is actually running off an 8gb thumbdrive
[12:28:18] <MrBluze> crunchbang?
[12:28:37] <Popeidol> MrBluze: I'm a fan of crunchbang, using it right now
[12:29:07] <Popeidol> but given I'm going to be running thisn sans window managers it wouldn't make much of a difference
[12:29:23] <crutchy> is it for a nas or something?
[12:29:29] <MrBluze> u can uninstall those
[12:29:31] <Popeidol> p1 laptop
[12:30:13] <crutchy> you can also install debian using a pxe setup
[12:30:44] <crutchy> need to setup a boot server first
[12:30:56] <Popeidol> hmmm
[12:31:20] <crutchy> that's how i installed on my toshiba tecra a2 when the optical failed
[12:31:26] <crutchy> no usb boot
[12:32:06] <crutchy> booted pxe and loaded install image off an sd card plugged in via usb card reader (the installer is loaded off the boot server)
[12:32:21] <crutchy> just gets the iso off the sd
[12:32:34] <crutchy> works pretty well
[12:32:48] <crutchy> a2 has 512 mb ram so i just put the whole smash on, gnome and all
[12:33:02] <crutchy> but you can disable that in installer menu i think
[12:33:14] <Popeidol> yeah, it lets you choose whether to install desktop or not
[12:34:19] <MrBluze> but sounds like best approach is a compilable distro
[12:34:28] <MrBluze> and start from close to scratch
[12:34:33] <Popeidol> MrBluze: that would be the right way to do it, I agree
[12:34:40] <Popeidol> I was also trying to get away with being lazy
[12:34:44] <MrBluze> gentoo etc
[12:34:51] <MrBluze> is it x86?
[12:35:03] <Popeidol> yes indeed
[12:35:14] <MrBluze> yeah then that.. but archlinux is less work
[12:35:36] <crutchy> i prefer lazy
[12:35:43] <Popeidol> arch is probably the best plan B
[12:35:53] <crutchy> humans are made up of atoms, and atoms always tend towards their lowest energy state
[12:36:29] <crutchy> did that sound like i had a clue what i was talking about?
[12:37:31] <MrBluze> entroy
[12:37:33] <MrBluze> entropy
[12:38:39] <Popeidol> I didn't realise crutchy was a physicist
[12:38:58] <crutchy> lol i'm not
[12:39:04] <crutchy> i'm just a troll :-P
[12:39:15] <Popeidol> I think most physicists are
[12:39:32] <Popeidol> at least all those who do anything involving 'quantum'
[12:39:47] <Popeidol> or string theory
[12:40:35] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[12:40:40] <Konomi> is it bad I like nerd rage?
[12:40:56] <crutchy> hi konomi
[12:41:01] <Konomi> hey
[12:41:25] <MrBluze> hi konomi
[12:41:35] <MrBluze> phoronix rox
[12:41:38] <MrBluze> usually
[12:41:39] <Konomi> hi also
[12:48:53] <Popeidol> linus has the best kind of nerd rage
[12:49:36] <Popeidol> it's well written, very entertaining, and apparently gets things done
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[12:52:19] <crutchy> woohoo karma ban seems to work
[13:00:36] <Subsentient> crutchy: I ported aqu4 to windows!
[13:01:22] <crutchy> :-O
[13:01:34] <Subsentient> crutchy: Why not?
[13:01:36] <Subsentient> I was bored.
[13:01:41] <crutchy> :-P
[13:01:49] <crutchy> compiled?
[13:01:50] <Subsentient> crutchy: adding a config file generator to her now.
[13:01:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yeah, runs fine
[13:02:07] <crutchy> is it c++
[13:02:09] <crutchy> ?
[13:02:15] <Subsentient> winsock is a turd but you know
[13:02:18] <Subsentient> crutchy: no
[13:02:19] <Subsentient> it's C.
[13:02:22] <crutchy> mkay
[13:02:23] <Subsentient> C89 , to be exact
[13:02:32] <crutchy> delphi handles all the winsock bs for me :-)
[13:02:35] * Subsentient likes C89
[13:02:39] <crutchy> hmm
[13:02:47] <crutchy> sounds oldskool
[13:02:59] <Subsentient> crutchy: It's what's generally referred to as ANSI C
[13:03:04] <crutchy> ahh
[13:03:05] <Subsentient> Released in 1989
[13:03:19] <Subsentient> You know, decls must be at the top of a block, etc
[13:03:31] <crutchy> i don't know, but :-P
[13:03:49] <Subsentient> but that's a small price to pay for the nimbleness and predictability that is C89, not to mention portability
[13:03:55] <crutchy> i know a little c, but not fluent
[13:04:08] <Subsentient> crutchy: Didn't I give you a link to my archive once?
[13:04:17] <crutchy> yeah
[13:04:24] <Subsentient> crutchy: I recommend you use that.
[13:04:27] <crutchy> thanks for that
[13:04:31] <crutchy> yeah i got that
[13:04:37] <Subsentient> What you'll learn from that book is actually C89
[13:04:43] <crutchy> i have "A Book on C" as well (hardcopy)
[13:05:19] <Subsentient> crutchy: K&R's 'The C Programming Language, Second Edition' is as good as it comes IMHO
[13:05:34] <crutchy> as much as c is a cool language, i'm more fluent in object pascal, so i tend to gravitate towards delphi for my compiled stuff
[13:05:46] <Subsentient> crutchy: I see.
[13:06:01] <Subsentient> I like C because it's logical. Everything is clearly separated, well thought out, very smooth.
[13:06:10] <Subsentient> some things in pascal irk me there
[13:06:16] <Subsentient> Although I don't currently remember them XD
[13:06:32] <crutchy> i like the wordiness of pascal (not as symbolic) and i like strict type
[13:06:46] <crutchy> pros probably don't like wordy
[13:06:46] * Subsentient likes weak typing
[13:07:06] <crutchy> c is good for you then
[13:07:08] * Subsentient likes to do funky pointer stuff
[13:07:11] <crutchy> lol
[13:07:25] <Subsentient> Well, doesn't everyone?
[13:07:27] <crutchy> can do that in delphi, but not with standard types
[13:07:52] <crutchy> you can use pointer types
[13:08:13] <crutchy> and there's the polymorphic bs of oop
[13:08:49] <Subsentient> crutchy: C is not OOP ofc
[13:08:55] <crutchy> nah
[13:09:15] <Subsentient> You can kinda emulate it with function pointers in structures, but not really OOP
[13:10:05] <crutchy> i guess you could set up your own rtti table but if you going to that much trouble just to get polymorphic you may as well just use c++
[13:11:38] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Prof Baffled by Cryptograms Found in Library Books - http://sylnt.us - Don't-tell-Dan-Brown
[13:13:35] <xlefay> mornin'
[13:13:54] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[13:14:08] <crutchy> sleep well?
[13:14:32] <crutchy> !karma coffee
[13:14:32] <SlimShady> karma of coffee is 9
[13:16:33] <xlefay> kinda, you?
[13:16:56] <crutchy> it's about quarter past 10 pm here
[13:17:12] <crutchy> :-P
[13:17:13] <xlefay> quarter past 1300 here
[13:17:18] <crutchy> lol
[13:17:25] <xlefay> 10 evening or morning?
[13:17:32] <crutchy> evening
[13:17:44] <crutchy> wow you sleep at weird times lol
[13:18:20] <xlefay> only slept 6 hours or so meh
[13:18:40] <crutchy> yeah i noticed :-P
[13:18:59] <crutchy> i have a rainbow karma bot :-)
[13:19:04] <xlefay> I saw :P
[13:19:13] <crutchy> it's fun
[13:19:25] <xlefay> I only have one complaint
[13:19:29] <xlefay> It doesn't dance!
[13:19:35] <crutchy> no :-(
[13:19:48] <crutchy> but it prevents timed karma spamming
[13:20:58] <xlefay> ha :P
[13:24:27] <Konomi> caffeine++
[13:24:27] <SlimShady> karma - caffeine: 4
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[13:54:59] <MrBluze> im off to bed
[13:55:00] <MrBluze> gnite all
[13:56:30] <crutchy> night mrbluze
[13:58:01] <MrBluze> night crutchy
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[14:11:07] <Konomi> nn MrBluze ~
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[14:16:38] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yep, Windows support is completed!
[14:16:42] <Subsentient> Just fixed the color support
[14:17:40] <crutchy> aqu4 does colors to eh?
[14:17:56] <crutchy> s/to/too/
[14:17:56] <SedBot> <crutchy> aqu4 does colors too eh?
[14:17:58] <Subsentient> crutchy: I mean for the console
[14:18:01] <Subsentient> but yeah she does
[14:18:03] <Subsentient> $commands
[14:18:07] <Subsentient> damn
[14:18:09] <Subsentient> muted
[14:18:11] <Subsentient> go to #derp
[14:30:40] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Patterns in Global Migrant Flows - http://sylnt.us - are-we-global-citizens-yet?
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[15:04:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> yay my article from yesterday got posted!
[15:05:55] crutchy is now known as crutchy|zzz
[15:06:07] <xlefay> wait, are you telling me, our editors are actually doing their work? And here I thought it was the robots!
[15:07:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> What makes you think that the editors aren't robots?
[15:08:01] <xlefay> hmm.. good point, perhaps they'll be truthful if we ask them.
[15:08:05] <xlefay> janrinok, are you a robot?
[15:08:20] <xlefay> it's computing, obviously..
[15:08:23] <janrinok> might be
[15:09:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> xlefay: you can't do it that way; the robot you're speaking to might be programmed to lie about whether or not it's a robot.
[15:09:29] <xlefay> AndyTheAbsurd, that's what I was worried about! but what alternative do we have? Can we trick them somehow?
[15:10:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> not if their programmers were sufficiently clever :(
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[15:12:55] <xlefay> hmm.. I see
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[15:18:25] <xlefay> AndyTheAbsurd++ in any case, it's a good submission!
[15:18:25] <SlimShady> karma - andytheabsurd: 1
[15:19:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> And I just submitted *another* one.
[15:19:50] <xlefay> https://soylentnews.org ;')
[15:22:42] * xlefay thinks it's time for a new poll
[15:31:24] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - The Magic Number to Save Mankind - http://sylnt.us - But-ah-with-the-proper-breeding-techniques...
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[15:38:35] <d33tah> folks
[15:39:00] <d33tah> why doesn't akregator show me the news summaries on http://soylentnews.org ?
[15:39:10] <d33tah> firefox doesn't either
[15:39:20] <xlefay> because index.rss doesn't current show new summaries, it's something on the feature request list
[15:39:41] <d33tah> i see, so there's no solution for now?
[15:39:54] <xlefay> Not that I'm aware of, sorry
[15:40:09] <d33tah> no problem. will pait patiently. keep up the good work ;)
[15:40:15] <d33tah> btw, karma is still capped at 50?
[15:40:41] <xlefay> I suspect this was originally done to force people to go to the website and get the hitcounter to increase.. but seems like an outdated practice which was stupid to begin with
[15:40:59] <xlefay> Yes, it appears that it still is, I don't know if there are plans to up it though.
[15:41:37] <d33tah> i see.
[15:41:43] <d33tah> balder--
[15:41:43] <SlimShady> karma - balder: -1
[15:41:51] <d33tah> whoa, karma reset?
[15:41:54] <d33tah> c++
[15:41:54] <SlimShady> karma - c: 16
[15:42:01] <xlefay> 'balder'?
[15:42:05] <xlefay> !karma poutine
[15:42:05] <SlimShady> karma of poutine is -335
[15:42:08] <d33tah> the bot that was there in the beginning.
[15:42:08] <xlefay> no, no reset
[15:42:20] <d33tah> i think it was balder?
[15:42:23] <xlefay> Bender
[15:42:25] <d33tah> ah.
[15:42:26] <d33tah> bender--
[15:42:27] <SlimShady> karma - bender: -13
[15:42:29] <d33tah> much better.
[15:42:34] <xlefay> bender = SlimShady = whatever other nicks it has.
[15:42:56] <d33tah> SlimShady--
[15:42:56] <SlimShady> karma - slimshady: -1
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[15:44:59] <Blackmoore> sup?
[15:45:37] <xlefay> We suspect the editors are actually robots but besides that, not much, you?
[15:46:09] <Blackmoore> I'm pretty sure i'm a poorly written AI. so i feel for them.
[15:46:33] <Blackmoore> I just got an error when moderating
[15:46:50] <Blackmoore> Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error
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[15:47:33] <xlefay> https://github.com
[15:48:36] <xlefay> // cc: NCommander &
[15:48:47] <xlefay> err.. I didn't mean to start you in the background buddy, I meant ^
[15:48:51] <Blackmoore> this was on the 4th mod point i was giving out on the Supreme Court Strikes Down Limits On Donations
[15:49:52] <Blackmoore> i think it did apply the point
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[15:50:33] <d33tah> xlefay: do you know if the karma is actually counted above the cap? can i be troll now and will i lose any visible karma? :D
[15:50:38] <d33tah> be a troll*
[15:51:02] <xlefay> d33tah, no clue but feel free to try it :)
[15:51:14] <xlefay> As always, tias!
[15:51:31] <d33tah> will do. :D
[15:51:39] <d33tah> btw
[15:51:51] <d33tah> do "anonymous troller" posts count to karma?
[15:51:52] <xlefay> My ssd 1 year, 8 months and 14 days | according to SMART.. I'm impressed it's still alive.
[15:52:07] <d33tah> backup nonetheless.
[15:52:31] <xlefay> I don't believe if you post as anon and it gets modded it'll affect your karma, but again, not sure
[15:52:41] <d33tah> i see.
[15:52:49] <xlefay> Of course, but.. I'm just surprised :P
[15:52:57] <d33tah> btw, one of my hdds recently died and one thing i learned is - do back up regularily.
[15:53:04] * xlefay had expected it to have blown up already, since it's an OCZ
[15:53:09] <d33tah> ah, OCZ
[15:53:14] <d33tah> then back up twice as often.
[15:53:15] <d33tah> d;
[15:53:30] <d33tah> if your system sends a message about SMART reporting disk as having badsectors, it's too late
[15:53:44] <xlefay> The only thing I've backed up so far is my SSH key, it's all I ever seem to need
[15:53:51] <d33tah> code?
[15:53:52] <d33tah> configs?
[15:54:03] <xlefay> always externally hosted already anyway
[15:54:10] <xlefay> configs, sometimes
[15:54:17] <d33tah> back up. :"P
[15:54:45] <xlefay> Blackmoore, check the github link, it seems even though NC was spawned into the background he still works! :)
[15:55:24] <d33tah> afk
[15:55:33] <Blackmoore> indeed he does!
[15:55:39] <xlefay> d33tah, take care ;)
[15:55:58] <Blackmoore> I was able to move to a different article and mod in that without error
[15:55:59] <xlefay> I'm off to take a shower, be back soon. Don't break anything kids!
[15:56:08] <d33tah> xlefay: thanks and back up! :D
[15:56:10] <Blackmoore> *crash*
[15:56:16] <Blackmoore> um oops
[15:56:54] <xlefay> d33tah, you know, generally in these cases, you go away for a bit and you get back to make them backups ... and it's too late!
[15:58:09] <xlefay> /: 105549635584 bytes were trimmed ... probably should've trimmed it earlier
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[16:00:45] <Blackmoore> so i guess it wanted a really close shave?
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[16:14:06] <michealpwalls> (yawn)
[16:14:08] <michealpwalls> Late night LOL
[16:16:57] <Blackmoore> eh. i think i slept. not really sure now
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[16:18:21] <naubol> I see how you friend someone, how to you fan them?
[16:18:26] <naubol> and is there no way to privately message?
[16:19:26] <xlefay> 1) no clue; 2) no, but I believe it's on the roadmap (don't quote me on it though).
[16:20:39] <Landon> naubol: iirc you're a fan if it's a one way friendship
[16:20:48] <Landon> so if I friend you, but you do not reciprocate (dangit), then I am your fan
[16:21:38] <Blackmoore> PM would really be nice. not everyone wants to give out a real email address
[16:21:52] <Blackmoore> but i can understand why we dont have that
[16:26:05] <naubol> oh, interesting!
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[16:36:18] <michealpwalls> Hrmm
[16:38:01] <kobach> no
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[16:42:02] <michealpwalls> Jah, I want a good open tablet of sorts
[16:42:06] <michealpwalls> Still on the fense, though
[16:51:16] <Blackmoore> I'd like one too. but I'd be happier if i didnt have to do the OS install.
[16:52:10] <michealpwalls> True, but honestly if I can just get some decent drivers/firmware I'm good to go. There's such a perfect XKCD comic about me... LOL lemme find it!
[16:52:16] <Bytram> Landon: IIRC, a "fan" is someone who has "friend"ed you.
[16:53:14] <michealpwalls> http://xkcd.com
[16:53:16] <michealpwalls> LMAO found it
[16:53:19] <michealpwalls> That's so me :D
[16:55:01] <Blackmoore> :) oh a couple more years and we should be able to install that port.
[16:55:24] <Blackmoore> of course it will be usb 2.0 and horibly out of date
[16:55:28] <michealpwalls> Note to Soylent team: Please don't implement the retarded autorefresh "feature" of slashdot.org. Pet peeve! Most browsers can be configured to do this automatically (if you want it to happen) and the ones that don't, well stop using shitty browsers :P
[16:55:35] <michealpwalls> hahaha Blackmoore
[16:55:38] <michealpwalls> Touche :D
[16:56:48] <xlefay> michealpwalls, perhaps it's better if this is just enable-able in the usercp, or a simple select box that allows it to be set (that remembers the users preference)
[16:57:07] <michealpwalls> Yea that would be even better, so it doesn't disrupt the people who like the feature hehe
[16:57:20] <xlefay> personally, I liked it; and I don't want to mess with XYZ browsers everywhere I go installing a plugin. Needless to say, I really did enjoy the feature! :p
[16:57:29] <xlefay> It's little things like that, that make it all come together imo
[16:57:37] <michealpwalls> True, very true
[16:57:44] <michealpwalls> Rather than our overload *telling* us? :P
[16:59:13] <michealpwalls> "Why the Government Should Provide Internet Access" Oh man, I'm not sure how that will blow over :O
[16:59:20] <xlefay> "overload"?
[16:59:32] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I really hated that headline..
[17:00:01] <michealpwalls> s:/overload/overlord
[17:00:02] <michealpwalls> :P
[17:00:05] <xlefay> It seems US specific and yet the headline just said "Government" .. we're not all in the US guys
[17:00:27] <xlefay> michealpwalls, right, I agree - it should be a feature not a requirement
[17:00:38] <michealpwalls> Yea.. Plus I sure as *** wouldn't want *my* government providing me with internet... *or* the U.S', for that matter!
[17:01:24] <xlefay> Let's be honest though, the US gov't already has access to most your data, there are some downsides, but what are the upsides?
[17:01:59] <michealpwalls> The same government that setup this ludacrous telecomm. monopoly. 2 corporations providing the country's Telephone, Cable and Satellite services... We pay absolutely *outrageous* rates and get 3rd-world service (Well not really 3rd world, but you get my drift LOL)
[17:02:01] <xlefay> Yes yes, they also have access to all those nudies you took the other day
[17:02:08] <michealpwalls> haha
[17:02:18] <xlefay> but what would be the upsides?
[17:02:26] <xlefay> e.g. we can all list the thousands of downsides, but how about upsides?
[17:02:27] <michealpwalls> That's true. The privacy isn't as big a concern as the incompetence LOL
[17:03:01] <michealpwalls> I can't think of *any* upsides, honestly. IN *theory* we (the "people") would have more control over it.. With our "votes", but in practice that's as naive as thinking I have some kind of say in what happens at Health Canada...
[17:03:02] <xlefay> Well, the gov't would probably higher the same people as tellies do
[17:03:02] <michealpwalls> :/
[17:03:08] <xlefay> e.g. those with certifications and such
[17:03:18] <michealpwalls> e.g: Friends of government people?
[17:03:23] <michealpwalls> LOL 'cause that's how it would work here...
[17:03:32] <xlefay> meh, the US is really weird\
[17:03:37] <xlefay> but I can see one upside :P
[17:03:42] <Blackmoore> I can think of an upside; infrastructure. the monoploies are not getting fiber to the door
[17:03:43] <xlefay> You'll get fiber everywhere ;)
[17:03:53] <xlefay> Downside: it's only so that the NSA can get your data faster.
[17:04:06] <michealpwalls> Or I should say.. Not "friends", but the ones who lobby the hardest (Read: Dump the most money..) will get the contracts. They will be no-competition contracts the same as what already happens here.
[17:04:29] <michealpwalls> It's a joke. I think it should be cut-throat, de-regulated private utility... That way we at least have fair competition to hope for.
[17:04:33] <Blackmoore> and where there IS fiber; guess what - that was funded by state and federal spending (and then given or sold to the monopoly)
[17:05:02] <michealpwalls> The arguement about monopolies doesn't apply to my country (Canada)...
[17:05:18] <xlefay> michealpwalls, in other words, not a whole lot would change except for improved infra? :)
[17:05:36] <Blackmoore> true; but it does here. and frankly I'd agree with doing the same to the electric power infrastucture too
[17:05:50] <michealpwalls> The history here is 100% opposite.. Stark contrast to that... The monopolies here were *setup* by the government.. And Protected by the government with broken "regulations" that barred foreign tellie companies from entering the Canadian market... Legistlation that allowed Bell and Rogers to be partners and set prices together.
[17:05:56] <michealpwalls> It's a big joke here, and the government's in on it..
[17:06:17] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[17:06:36] <Blackmoore> i wish i could resurrect teddy roosevelt.
[17:06:38] <xlefay> I do am surprised at the ridiculous prices you pay
[17:07:08] <Bytram> xlefay: sn addy works great... am now setting up tbird... if I choose IMAP, now, can I later change it to POP3 and pull all my mail down, later?
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[17:07:26] <michealpwalls> Only very recently has our industry been slowly deregulated. Only in the past ~3 years has foreign telecomms been allowed to expand here, and immediatly things started to change... All of a sudden Bell and Rogers "can" offer unlimited internet packages... All of a sudden their packages don't *start* at $45 per month anymore... What a surprise!
[17:07:32] <michealpwalls> Competition, that's the solution IMHO.
[17:07:48] <xlefay> Bytram, well. you can use imap, that way you pull down e-mails and keep them n the server; or use pop3 and only have it locally. Your choice but yeah, you can change it later I think..
[17:08:18] <xlefay> Power - 45Mbps $ 64 95 /mo
[17:08:19] <xlefay> rofl
[17:08:33] <michealpwalls> All of a sudden Bell has to spend billiosn to expand their network infrastructure, 'cause if they don't Virgin will be eating their lunch in ~5 years HEHE!
[17:08:44] <xlefay> So, that's about 50 euros.. for 65 euros, I've got 120Mbps ;]
[17:08:45] <michealpwalls> Whaa 45mpbs? :/
[17:08:51] <michealpwalls> Jesus... I hate you!
[17:08:51] <michealpwalls> :(
[17:09:04] <michealpwalls> LOL i'm so jealous
[17:09:08] <xlefay> the 45Mbps = at&t
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[17:09:20] <xlefay> err I meant, 55 euros
[17:09:23] <NCommander> michealpwalls, having spent a LOT of time in Canada, frankly, you guys make our ISPs look awesome by comparsion
[17:09:32] <michealpwalls> haha
[17:09:45] <xlefay> so, michealpwalls for 6 dollars more, I have about 75Mbps more
[17:09:49] <Bytram> xlefay: whoah! 120Mbps? I have hard disks that are slower than that. :/
[17:10:02] <NCommander> When I lived in booies
[17:10:11] <xlefay> I swear I misread that as boobies
[17:10:12] <NCommander> I had 40 Mbps/7 Mbps for 40 USD
[17:10:22] <NCommander> *boonies
[17:10:30] <michealpwalls> "$225.99 /month[1] - 350 Mbps[2]"
[17:10:34] <NCommander> With native IPv6, and an optional static IP
[17:10:37] <michealpwalls> LMAO the 1 and 2 are footnotes.. :D
[17:10:39] <NCommander> I miss CenturyLink
[17:10:49] <xlefay> http://www.upc.nl michealpwalls ; the prices & speed is easily spottable
[17:11:05] <xlefay> for 15 bucks more, I can haz 200!
[17:11:17] <michealpwalls> Ack
[17:11:24] <Bytram> NCommander: I just asked this of xlefay and was wondering if you had any experience with setting up thunderbird as IMAP to start, and then going to POP3 and pulling everything down, later. Any problems with that?
[17:11:26] <michealpwalls> modal dialog, onyl word I can recognize is "cookies" LOL
[17:11:37] <xlefay> michealpwalls, just click a button
[17:11:39] <xlefay> it don't matter
[17:11:46] * Bytram has shot my feet off too many times.
[17:11:47] <NCommander> Bytram, just use offlineimap
[17:11:54] <michealpwalls> Whoa xle....
[17:11:55] <NCommander> Then point Thunderbird at the Maildir
[17:12:03] <michealpwalls> Those are *bundles* ?!
[17:12:04] <xlefay> michealpwalls, welcome to the future
[17:12:05] <Blackmoore> hmph. i have a "choice" betweel dsl or cable. cable starts as part of a $100/mo bundle.
[17:12:07] <xlefay> yes yes they are
[17:12:08] <michealpwalls> That's not fair... wtf man? :(
[17:12:19] <michealpwalls> That would be in the hundreds, seriously :/
[17:12:48] <michealpwalls> I pay fucking ~$80/m just for my shitty satellite service... *just* for the sat!~ :(
[17:12:50] <xlefay> .. those prices are also incl. 21% vat
[17:13:17] <Blackmoore> mm. I think i can get satalite for about the same
[17:13:20] <xlefay> like I said, welcome to the future. ;-)
[17:13:34] * xlefay notes generally he can exceed the advertised speeds.
[17:13:35] <michealpwalls> LOL, the future... YOu mean when I graduate and move the fuck out of Canada? (rofl)
[17:13:44] <janrinok> michealpwalls: Don't you have freesat over there?
[17:13:48] <xlefay> Yes! ;)
[17:14:00] <michealpwalls> sort of, janrinok :/
[17:14:01] <Blackmoore> there actually IS a wireless internet service in my area code... but the signal doesnt get to where I am
[17:14:05] <xlefay> brb, dinnah
[17:14:27] <janrinok> got it here, 144 channels, all free and at least 30% of them worth watching.
[17:14:34] <Blackmoore> but if it did it would be twice as fast as my dsl.
[17:15:04] <Blackmoore> yeah. i ditched cable a couple years ago. i just dont watch tv.
[17:15:11] <janrinok> ...plus I get UK tv and not the Fr crap
[17:15:16] <michealpwalls> That's just not cool, not cool guys. This "alles-in-1 Basis" package crushes all my services, individually, and is cheaper than any of my individual services are.
[17:15:21] <michealpwalls> *bangs head on desk*
[17:15:56] <michealpwalls> I would cancel the satellite but my wife insists on keeping it (dull)
[17:16:09] <Blackmoore> see; what i think would work is the way the gas companies in the us have now.
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[17:16:58] <Blackmoore> there is a monopoly that is responsible for the infrastructure, but they are not the service provide
[17:17:24] <michealpwalls> xlefay: Here's a rench for those shiny gears of yours, btw. Petro-Canada was a "crown corporation". Built with Canadian tax dollars, supposedly to "serve Canadians". Long story short and a few government switches later, it was sold to the highest bidding private corporation.
[17:17:25] <Blackmoore> the service (the gas in this case) can be billed on any number of handlers
[17:17:37] <michealpwalls> xlefay: hehehe so, it's hard to have *any* confidence in government-run entities :P
[17:18:15] <kobach> michealpwalls: dont feel bad, theyre trying to put a giant pipline over our largest aquifers so they can sell oil to the chinese
[17:18:31] <michealpwalls> hah! Brilliant
[17:18:32] <kobach> so they can sell canadian oil to the chinese*
[17:18:45] <kobach> those billionaires are always up to somthing!
[17:18:49] <Blackmoore> true. i can point at manny-mae or freddie-mac over here too i have no confidence it would be run well.
[17:19:07] <michealpwalls> Germany building a new, renewable energy infrastructure... What's Canada doing? Building oil pipelines through native reserves and nature conservatories.
[17:19:17] <michealpwalls> Go Canada! :)
[17:19:29] <kobach> true patriots love, in all they sons command
[17:19:33] <kobach> thy*
[17:19:39] <michealpwalls> Our Home on Native Lands :)
[17:19:41] <michealpwalls> Oh Canada!
[17:20:06] <kobach> with glowing hearts, we see thee rise, the true north strong and freee
[17:20:20] <kobach> from far and wide, o-oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee
[17:20:29] <michealpwalls> lol
[17:21:07] <janrinok> does bacon cause that sort of thing.....?
[17:21:15] <kobach> canadian bacon does yes
[17:21:20] <janrinok> lol
[17:21:58] <kobach> god keep our land, glorious and free
[17:22:02] <Bytram> NCommander: xlefay seems to be working... slowly, but working! I've got quite a few K message headers(?) to d/l LOL!
[17:22:07] <kobach> oh canada, we stand on guard for thee
[17:22:26] <NCommander> Bytram, :-)
[17:22:36] <kobach> OOOH CAAAAAANADA, WE STAND ON GUAARD FORRR THEEE!!!!!
[17:22:50] <kobach> [puck drops]
[17:23:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/puck/bass/
[17:23:17] <kobach> no
[17:23:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> :(
[17:23:23] <kobach> they dont use fish in hockey
[17:23:27] <kobach> ;)
[17:23:46] <Bytram> NCommander: only 1700 msgs in my inbox, plus I've got about a hundred or so folders... good thing I'm not D/Ling the msgs, too atm! LOL!
[17:23:55] <kobach> LOL
[17:24:40] <NCommander> Bytram, thunderbird downloads headers by default
[17:24:59] <Bytram> yeah. I figured that out :/
[17:25:08] <kobach> lol
[17:25:43] <kobach> i find it annoying that the poll has only 450 votes
[17:25:49] <kobach> it should have 10x more
[17:25:58] <michealpwalls> I settled with Thunderbird, too
[17:26:10] <kobach> you make it sound like a bad thing
[17:26:16] <Bytram> my poor little box is gonna struggle between firefox, hexchat, and now tbird, too. (only have 1.25gb memory)
[17:26:18] <michealpwalls> Wish it had a service for mail notification, so I don't have to keep this 3,000 gorrilla running *just* for alerts (dull)
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[17:26:35] <kobach> lol Bytram
[17:26:42] <kobach> firefox alone is enough to tax that
[17:26:47] <kobach> :(
[17:26:56] <kobach> i hope you havent any youtube tabs open!
[17:27:07] <michealpwalls> LOL Bytram, yea. Firefox is retarded. I hear in v30 they'll have the Kitchen Sink polished and ready to be enabled by default!
[17:27:20] <michealpwalls> Coupled with the DishWashingRobot released in v27, no more dishes bra!
[17:27:21] <michealpwalls> :D
[17:27:25] <Bytram> no worries on that one... my connexction is too slow to even consider it. have to D/l and then watch THAT
[17:27:31] <kobach> LOL
[17:27:34] <kobach> oh those days
[17:27:41] <Titanium> pfft i get near 1k emails per day
[17:27:42] <michealpwalls> I remember dial-up!
[17:27:53] <michealpwalls> Good times, lemme tell ya!
[17:27:59] <kobach> if i get more than 5 emails a day i get mad
[17:28:13] <michealpwalls> My email never stops :(
[17:28:18] <kobach> lol
[17:29:32] <michealpwalls> exlefay: I wanna meet you half-way... How does government giving money to private firms to expand infrastructure, bound by contract to spend the money (To the fraction of a dollar?) on the infrastructure.
[17:29:59] <michealpwalls> Wouldn't that be win-win? At least better than status quo? :P
[17:30:19] <kobach> down here youd be accused of being communist
[17:30:27] <kobach> its still the 1950s for most americans
[17:30:33] <michealpwalls> Of course that would only create incentive for the private firms to continue to stop investing in infrastructure LOL
[17:30:46] <michealpwalls> haha kobach, I know right?
[17:30:58] <kobach> although i think theyve finally accepted a few years ago that blacks can marry
[17:31:22] <michealpwalls> It's getting that way, slowly, here... Usually you can counter it easily with "Well by that logic, isn't Health Care communist? And public Education, fire-fighters, police, roads and sewers too?" :P
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[17:31:44] <kobach> heres the real answer to that question: who gives a fuck
[17:31:53] <michealpwalls> hahaha
[17:32:00] <kobach> they better the lives of everyone in the country, its the government investing in its people
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[17:32:11] <michealpwalls> Democratic Socialism, I think. That's a pretty sane concept... At least on paper it is :P
[17:32:30] <michealpwalls> Or cut-throat competition. What's the spelling, Laisez Frair or whatevs? Free Markets bitches! :D
[17:32:45] <kobach> yup
[17:32:45] <kobach> lol
[17:33:04] <michealpwalls> Iunno. Honestly the situation seems much more complicated in Canada..
[17:33:17] <kobach> it is
[17:33:26] <kobach> we only have 2 fake parties
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[17:33:58] <kobach> the rest of them are real, but since the corporations keep them out of the media almost nobody knows about them
[17:34:02] <michealpwalls> 'cause we're bombarded with American TV. The whole Libertarian Tea Party shit.. People eat it up here. Although we can *see* both sides here in full swing. We have very large, old social institutions (Health Canada, obviously). It's very easy to see and experience the cons of a government-run health care industry :/
[17:34:16] <michealpwalls> But then again, it's easy to see on the tele the consequences of a fully private health industry, too. Both are fucked.
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[17:34:34] <kobach> yeah unfortuenately the tea party got taken over long ago by republicans, no libertarians really involved anymore
[17:34:46] <kobach> not since like 08
[17:34:55] <michealpwalls> When you're in legitimate need for care, and you have to wait 8 hours in an emergency waiting room. I'm not exagerating, either.. LOL
[17:35:00] <michealpwalls> Average wait times here are around 6 - 8 hours.
[17:35:03] <kobach> yup
[17:35:20] <kobach> but when you do get in you get what you need
[17:35:21] <michealpwalls> Peopel fucking die in waiting rooms... Or at home, waiting for that MRI scan scheduled 2 months from their death :P
[17:35:31] <kobach> we do the same thing at home
[17:35:35] <michealpwalls> Yea that's why it's so confusing, right? I dont 'think anything would work
[17:35:37] <kobach> because we cant afford the ambulance
[17:35:48] <michealpwalls> Like I mean.. LOL, nothing is perfect I should say
[17:35:52] <kobach> anyone who even thinks of calling 911 is insane
[17:36:02] <kobach> thats $600 before you even get to the hospital
[17:36:20] <kobach> walk in the hospital doors, there goes 1k
[17:36:34] <michealpwalls> Yea, I've heard some messed up situations in the U.S when people have no insurance and ambulances bicker over who is "responsible"... What a quagmire. Here, you get the hospital fast.. Super fast. But then you sit there, in a room full of people who need help, too...
[17:36:46] <michealpwalls> And you're in a queue 'cause their backed up by ~6 hours (facepalm)
[17:36:52] <kobach> the doctor will see you in a few minutes, there goes 500 in a half hour
[17:36:58] <kobach> doctor shows up there goes 800
[17:37:02] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[17:37:08] <kobach> writes you some shit there goes another 500
[17:37:17] <kobach> walk out the door the goes another 200 for some insurance thing
[17:37:19] <michealpwalls> I heard just having a baby can cost like ~15k - 20k... That's cray cray!
[17:37:29] <kobach> yeah people are dumb
[17:37:33] <michealpwalls> So insane
[17:37:39] <kobach> too many kids having babies because of the abstinence only sex education
[17:37:51] <kobach> literally half of the people i went to high school with hav ekids now, and im 22
[17:38:08] <kobach> like what the fuck happened to enjoying your 20s
[17:38:09] <michealpwalls> The counter argument (If you watch FOX news, LOL!) is that, because you don't pay all the taxes we pay, you can "afford" the private insurance.. Iunno how much logic that makes, 'cause low-income families like mine don't fucking *pay* those taxes at all...
[17:38:14] <michealpwalls> LOL, but FOX news wont tell ya that :P
[17:38:19] <kobach> lets go from 17 to 31 in 9 months
[17:38:28] <kobach> lol
[17:38:32] <kobach> faux news
[17:38:35] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:39:18] <michealpwalls> In fact... LOL now I'm sure I'll get some 'mericans in a rage for pointing this out, but, because I'm a low-income student and father of 2 boys... When people are paying taxes here... I am *getting* money (Those taxes, LOL)
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[17:40:02] <michealpwalls> That's how it works. When I graduate and I'm making ~$75,000 - $90,000 a year, *I'll* be paying the taxes and not getting any credits.. It's a balance in some sense.
[17:40:15] <kobach> yeah people here will complain about spending $36 a person for food stamps while they wont mind paying $4000 a person for corporate welfare
[17:40:18] <michealpwalls> But mostly the news shows it to be a 1-sided thing, right, where the "guvment" just takes everyones money :/
[17:40:55] <kobach> in taxes
[17:41:26] <michealpwalls> Yea it's really quite insane. That's very true here, too. People complained about the Penny... A fucking $10 million/annum expense of the Canadian Mint.. Ohh we gotta talk about that for fucking *months* on the news, 'cause it's "a waste of money.".. BUt the news doesn't ever mention Microsoft and Google's tax exemptions... Or the fucking 70 billion dollars they gave to banks (again!)
[17:41:47] <kobach> because the corporations own the news
[17:41:57] <michealpwalls> The 25 billion to the automotive industry, 35 billion to the damned naval shipbuilding facities.. Nah that's cool.. But a $10 million penny? That's where we Canadians draw the line in the sand!
[17:41:59] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:42:02] <kobach> literally, news corp
[17:42:25] <kobach> yup michealpwalls we got millitary contractors down here sucking up all our money
[17:42:35] <kobach> you dont hear it on tv but the troops know
[17:42:38] <kobach> equipt is falling apart
[17:43:08] <kobach> so where is all the defense money going? to the contractors for useless projects
[17:43:15] <kobach> f35 for example
[17:43:20] <michealpwalls> It's crazy. I try not to think much about it.. As irrational as that may seem. It's just futile and hopeless. All it ever does is depress you to think about.
[17:43:23] <kobach> complete shit of a plane
[17:43:28] <Blackmoore> @micheal i have insurance and i was in ER for 12 HOURS last year for 3 stitches
[17:43:31] <michealpwalls> Amagad Lockheed Martin's peice of garbage F35... What a fucking emberassment.
[17:43:33] <kobach> theyve spent hundreds of billions, if not a trillion on it already
[17:43:42] <michealpwalls> Jesus, Blackmoore. That's in the U.S?!
[17:43:46] <Blackmoore> yup
[17:43:55] <michealpwalls> LOL my news told me that only happened here!
[17:43:56] <michealpwalls> :/
[17:43:56] <Blackmoore> now i was low priority
[17:44:16] <kobach> depending on location you should have just gone home and done it yourself
[17:44:19] <kobach> with superglue
[17:44:22] <kobach> but dunno the situation
[17:44:28] <michealpwalls> LOL Kobach
[17:44:37] <kobach> im serious
[17:44:49] <kobach> you can superglue it or they can for $1000
[17:44:50] <Blackmoore> i gashed my hand with a chisel, yes. if i had known how long i was going to wait. OR the cost ($400 AFTER insurance)
[17:44:59] <Blackmoore> i would have just superglued it
[17:45:22] <kobach> yea
[17:45:25] <kobach> well now you know
[17:45:29] <Blackmoore> yep.
[17:45:41] <michealpwalls> Ouch!
[17:45:52] <kobach> there are situations where you have to have someone else do it though
[17:46:07] <kobach> because you cant reach it right etc
[17:46:09] <Blackmoore> yeah - i could not have stitched it myself
[17:46:26] <kobach> could have managed glue though
[17:46:28] <Blackmoore> i was shaking too much
[17:46:32] <kobach> ahh nvm
[17:46:34] <michealpwalls> I think, it's the far ends of the spectrum that really show the difference. It's like a saying in programming languages.. Typically the language can make the simple things easier, thereby making many of the complex things impossible.. *or* it can focus on making the complex things possible.. Thereby massively complicating even the simplest of things.
[17:46:39] <michealpwalls> I think that applies to this, you see...
[17:46:58] <kobach> do what
[17:47:20] <michealpwalls> In the U.S.. If it's trivial, it's still a pain in your ass (A $400 stitches?! That's crazy!) but in the U.S, you can get access (rapidly) to the best medical treatment in the fucking world...
[17:47:33] <kobach> $400 is cheap for medical stuff
[17:47:37] <michealpwalls> In Canada... SImple things are quick and painless. I twouldnt' have cost me anything and I could have got stiched up in about ~30 minutes at a "clinic"
[17:47:47] <michealpwalls> BUT... Diagnose me with Cancer? It's likely a fucking death sentence here...
[17:47:55] <kobach> well
[17:48:02] <michealpwalls> Because of the wait times, the diagnostic queues.. Treatment is very ineffective because of the time factors.
[17:48:07] <kobach> theres ways to get rid of it without drugs
[17:48:10] <kobach> but we wont go into that
[17:48:17] <Blackmoore> US medical billing is all fucked up - because of people who either dont have insurance or dont pay the bill. to deal with that they hike prices by 1000%
[17:48:17] <kobach> lest i be called crazy
[17:48:28] <kobach> yes Blackmoore
[17:49:37] <Blackmoore> yeah. we have a lot of clinics popping up now. if it had been at a decent hour (and had thought of it at the time) that would have been a better option. both faster and cheaper than ER
[17:50:03] <xlefay> Bytram, I'm glad it works for you
[17:51:34] <kobach> xlefay: im pretty sure you should think about what you said this morning and install wine anyway
[17:51:42] <kobach> then we can have an mirc bot :p
[17:51:46] <kobach> :D
[17:51:56] <kobach> XD
[17:52:10] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - NASA Suspends Collaboration with Russia - http://sylnt.us - sabre-rattle-heard-in-space
[17:52:13] <xlefay> I'm going to pretend I didn't see that ;-)
[17:52:19] <kobach> XD
[17:52:20] <xlefay> I don't need no stinkin' wine on any of my machines
[17:52:23] <kobach> XD
[17:52:34] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[17:52:41] <kobach> 90% chance those mirc bots would also be broken
[17:52:43] <michealpwalls> WINE is a shot in the dark mostly :/
[17:52:47] <kobach> not really
[17:53:00] <xlefay> Why do you use Linux if you use a Windows program? Kinda defeats the purpose.. methinks
[17:53:05] <kobach> roller coaster tycoon 2 and starcraft run great
[17:53:11] <michealpwalls> In my experience, at least. I've had some good mileage with it but then others some aweful mileage. I just dual-boot, fuck it LOL
[17:53:16] <xlefay> If you really need that one program for whatever reason, go install a VM or whatever
[17:53:18] <kobach> xlefay: because all the non windows ones are broken
[17:53:27] <michealpwalls> LOL xlefay. Yea, pretty much :P
[17:53:31] <kobach> haha
[17:53:34] <xlefay> least then chances are most things "will actually work"
[17:53:49] <xlefay> well.. as good as you can define "working" in the windows world, of course
[17:53:55] <kobach> lack thereof
[17:53:56] <michealpwalls> LOL
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[17:54:14] <xlefay> janrinok|afk, be safe out there buddy
[17:54:28] <michealpwalls> I couldn't get Cisco Packet Tracer to work under wine, had to VM that. That's the only thing I can think of
[17:54:40] <michealpwalls> That was from "Networking FUndamentals", tried to run it via WINE on a macbook (LOL!)
[17:54:50] <michealpwalls> VMWare Fusion is pretty slick :P
[17:54:56] <xlefay> ooh I remember that
[17:55:03] <xlefay> Yeah I needed a Windows vm too
[17:55:05] <michealpwalls> Yea that program was neat!
[17:55:06] <xlefay> I never tried wine tho
[17:55:48] <michealpwalls> Don't get me wrong, I love WINE. Mostly it was the first thing I would think of to try... Buuut over the years, I just stopped thinking and stopped trying 'cause mostly, if it even ran without throwing exceptions left and right, it would run absolutely terrible..
[17:55:56] <michealpwalls> Sometimes the VM outperformed the "native" WINE :/
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[17:56:18] <xlefay> I shudder at the thought of wine
[17:56:38] <kobach> i do too on the command line
[17:56:42] <kobach> lol
[17:57:08] <michealpwalls> Apparently there's a Chinese project to incorporate WINE into the Linux Kernel...
[17:57:10] <michealpwalls> (puke)
[17:57:22] <kobach> oh my
[17:57:24] <michealpwalls> Or something like that, anyways :/
[17:57:42] <xlefay> eh whatnow
[17:57:53] * xlefay stops buying stuff "Made in China"
[17:57:56] <xlefay> fuck you china, fuck you.
[17:58:05] <michealpwalls> Longene or Lengene or something? I can't remember. YOu have to google translate their homepage, but meh. I am amazed at the scope, honestly... The scope of some of these Chinese software development projects are absolutely staggering :/
[17:58:15] <michealpwalls> Makes me worry about my future career outlook :(
[17:58:38] <michealpwalls> LOL xlefay
[17:59:06] <michealpwalls> "I can live with the currency manipulation and the human rights violations in your sweat-shops... But embedding WINE in the linux Kernel? THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE!"
[17:59:26] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[17:59:27] <SlimShady> Added quote 95
[17:59:32] <xlefay> ain't that the truth brotha
[17:59:37] <michealpwalls> LOL
[17:59:37] <kobach> ^
[18:02:40] <xlefay> michealpwalls, well, if they do integrate Wine in the kernel, I wouldn't worry about my career outlook anymore!
[18:02:47] <xlefay> I'd worry where the hell my pitchfork is
[18:03:09] <xlefay> but it's china.. so who really cares?
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[18:04:14] <michealpwalls> LMAO I read for days the flame-wars that raged on the mailing lists over that dude (Matt, I think?) trying to get his UEFI Secure Boot shim included, and the lamenting that followed by Linus. "Mentle masturbation" and etc.
[18:04:27] <michealpwalls> There is absolutely *no way* anything like WINE would get into the main kernel (rofl)
[18:04:33] <michealpwalls> I would pay to read that mailing list convo :D
[18:05:06] <xlefay> not unless Linus has lost his mind or gets credits to watch hentai
[18:05:29] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:06:49] <michealpwalls> haha Hairyfeet's comment is hilarious
[18:06:59] <xlefay> link?
[18:07:01] <michealpwalls> http://soylentnews.org
[18:07:09] <michealpwalls> Sorry, was fighting with my monitors LOL
[18:07:11] <xlefay> michealpwalls, s/http/https/
[18:07:18] <michealpwalls> my bad :P
[18:07:33] <michealpwalls> I blame opera! Where's my HTTPS Everywhere plugin :(
[18:08:51] <xlefay> I blame you; did you have some wine?
[18:08:55] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:09:24] <xlefay> man, I feel like taking a nap
[18:09:53] <michealpwalls> That was me on Monday... I literally could have curled up under my desk and went to sleep until a co-worker found me
[18:10:00] <michealpwalls> Then I'd be all "*ahem* I was jus tplugging my lappy in.."
[18:10:41] <xlefay> Yes, or be like "Hey, it's impolite staring at a sleeping err, ..."
[18:10:56] <michealpwalls> lol
[18:11:00] <xlefay> yeah, kinda lost my drift there
[18:11:20] <xlefay> sounded better in my mind oh well.
[18:18:33] <xlefay> michealpwalls, so did you?
[18:18:46] <xlefay> 'could have' doesn't sound promising
[18:20:32] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Build 2014 Conference Day 1 - http://sylnt.us - yes-microsoft-still-has-relevance
[18:23:00] <kobach> lol
[18:28:39] <michealpwalls> haha no, I'm just a co-op student so probs wouldnt' have worked well :X
[18:28:53] <xlefay> ah bugger
[18:37:52] <Blackmoore> nick Blackmoore|afk
[18:38:05] <Blackmoore> and fail
[18:38:08] <xlefay> Blackmoore, s/n/\/n/
[18:38:09] <SedBot> <xlefay> <Blackmoore> a/nd fail
[18:38:12] <xlefay> rofl
[18:38:15] <xlefay> /nick Blackmoore|afk
[18:38:16] <xlefay> ;-)
[18:38:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> put a / before it
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[18:38:35] <xlefay> there ya go
[18:38:38] <Blackmoore|afk> lunch for me
[18:39:28] <xlefay> enjoy
[18:46:39] <michealpwalls> Out of the frying pan.. Into the fire!
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[18:47:05] <michealpwalls> LOL finally fixed my heat issues on Debian by updating to the 3.13 kernel... Now the HDMI out ports aren't working (dull)
[18:47:11] <michealpwalls> *shakes fist in the air*
[18:47:15] <kobach> lol
[18:47:49] <xlefay> michealpwalls, now, that problem I didn't have
[18:47:58] <xlefay> I installed ubuntu and dare I say, everything "just worked"!
[18:47:58] <michealpwalls> LOL this is why most of the time when I'm at work I'm running Windows. Just don't have the time 'till I get home (giggle)
[18:48:19] <michealpwalls> haha xlefay you can't say that!
[18:48:22] <michealpwalls> Apple will sue you :P
[18:48:30] <xlefay> rofl ;-)
[18:49:08] <michealpwalls> This is so awesome: http://bunniefoo.com
[18:49:21] <michealpwalls> xlefay said he was going to buy me that for my birthday. Pretty awesome guy! :)
[18:50:45] <xlefay> Screw that, I'm buying you: http://goo.gl
[18:50:49] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:50:58] <michealpwalls> My favorite!
[18:51:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> that thinkpad keyboard is....not the one that they sold me. Mine has a MUCH bigger area at the "bottom"
[18:51:04] <michealpwalls> Iunno hhow you knew, but thx! :D
[18:51:37] <michealpwalls> AndyTheAbsurd: Pfft, you have one of their 'heirloom laptops' ?! Or you mean the wireless thinkpad keyboard itself hehe
[18:53:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> michealpwalls: when I bought mine, there wasn't a wireless thinkpad keyboard, but there *was* a USB one. You can see my pictures of it on amazon.com. Unfortunately the right arrow key was sticky and I ended up kinda breaking it while trying to fix it.
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[18:53:58] <xlefay> michealpwalls, rofl
[18:54:00] * AndyTheAbsurd is typing this on a Lenovo ThinkPad T440p right now and is considerably irritated at a number of things about it
[18:54:22] <xlefay> The lack of ponies being the first that comes to mind?
[18:55:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> No. Mostly the insane trackpad design.
[18:56:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> but also the keyboard and the way it works with the docking station and the wifi not working under Linux.
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[19:20:03] <michealpwalls> Speaking of WiFi.. Hah!
[19:20:42] <michealpwalls> So OS X that was on my Macbook Pro had this ridiculous WiFi bug.. When it resumed from hibernation or sleep, the OS would not refresh the WiFi status.. It *showed* all bars, but there wasn't really any connection.. I would have to manually disconnect and reconnect.
[19:20:54] <michealpwalls> On linux... Poof! "You have been disconnected.. You are not connected to xyz" (rofl)
[19:22:20] <Teckla> michealpwalls: I've noticed similar issues, like if I rebooted my wi-fi router, my wife's OS X machine would lose, but not reestablish, the wi-fi connection. It was annoying.
[19:22:34] <Teckla> Though I don't think that's happened since I upgraded her from Snow Leopard to Mavericks, so perhaps it's all fixed now \o/
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[19:25:57] <Cyprus> ummm... i can't join ##?
[19:26:26] <xlefay> invite only eh ;)
[19:26:31] <xlefay> I'll set ya an invite exemption
[19:26:47] <Cyprus> not feeling the love xlefay
[19:27:16] <xlefay> You can join ;)
[19:29:04] <michealpwalls> Teckla: Yea I was on the Slow Leapard ;)
[19:31:18] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Have you updated to Mavericks?
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[19:44:45] <arti> greetings
[19:45:44] <Bytram> arti: hiya!
[19:45:52] <arti> how's it going ^_^
[19:46:14] <Bytram> well, thanks. you?
[19:46:39] <arti> preparing for another day of ajax goodness
[19:47:03] <Bytram> you sound so, umm, excited.
[19:47:44] <arti> it's something different but there is plumbing to do
[19:48:29] <Bytram> yup. when I stop and think about it, it's pretty amazing it even works, given that http was not intended to be an interactive medium, IIRC.
[19:48:40] <arti> i'm pleased things are wrapping up, yeah it's pretty crazy
[19:48:43] <Blackmoore|afk> *throws arti a 1up and a plumbers cap*
[19:48:48] <arti> hahaha
[19:48:50] <Bytram> well, 'cept post/get/ etc.
[19:49:02] <arti> kinda strange how delete works over rest :)
[19:49:22] <Bytram> yep.... best to not put that in your site index
[19:50:04] * arti needs to encode the session cookie data
[19:50:22] * Bytram offers his secret decoder ring
[19:50:32] <arti> sounds like a great name for a project
[19:50:49] <arti> "secret decoder ring takes the pain out of application level encryption schemes"
[19:51:24] <Bytram> great initialism: ALES
[19:51:41] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Kerbal Space Program Game Patch Goes Live - http://sylnt.us - play-it-again-sam
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[19:53:50] <arti> sounds like ALICE
[19:53:57] <arti> er Alice
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[20:40:57] <Blackmoore> can i get a decoder ring that works on leagaleeze?
[20:41:28] <Blackmoore> that is a form of encryption isnt it?
[20:41:50] <arti> it has a very precise meaning
[20:42:02] <arti> for the big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away
[20:51:26] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Card Layout, Old Hat or Future of the Web? - http://sylnt.us - things-being-reinvented-again
[20:59:31] <Blackmoore> And lo - on the 24th day the licensing hath ended, and the propert y transended to coporate ownership... Amen
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[21:25:44] <michealpwalls> Am I just so tired I can't even think...? LOL I can't put a bunch of html elements in a hidden input form to pass along to another PHP script. The html elements put into the hiddent input field breaks the field LOL
[21:26:04] <michealpwalls> once it reaches a <br>, that is, it seems to overflow out of the hidden input field and start rendering in the browser (facepalm)
[21:26:21] <xlefay> show the html form? (http://pastie.org)
[21:26:22] <michealpwalls> I guess I could use a session.. Meh
[21:26:50] <michealpwalls> The rendered html from the browser?
[21:27:15] <xlefay> Yeah for example.. you do encode shit right before putting them in said hidden element?
[21:27:53] <michealpwalls> It's a PITA 'cause it's already encoded partially
[21:28:14] <xlefay> So decode it, encode, profit?
[21:28:18] <michealpwalls> *thinks*
[21:28:51] <xlefay> let me ask this another way, what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:29:08] <michealpwalls> It's silly, I'm just going to go make coffee LMAO
[21:29:18] <michealpwalls> so tired, can't think properly
[21:29:37] <xlefay> I don't do anything quite as good as I do silly ;)
[21:29:46] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:30:48] <michealpwalls> It's like, the 3rd and final step in the registration. It stores all their info in the db.. Then fetches it from the db (I know, retarded.. meh.) and displays what it fetches from the DB in the browser... Weeell someone now would like that it mail this stuff to the user... But not immediatly, only once they've clicked a "Confirm" button (facepalm)
[21:31:41] <michealpwalls> So, LOL.. The damned script is a raving mess.. I just want to pass the email as a string to another script and let it send it.. So I jammed it in a hidden input field and have "Confirm" as the submit button for that 1-field form (The hidden field)
[21:31:48] <xlefay> That's not silly, that's stupid
[21:31:53] <michealpwalls> I know, right?!
[21:31:54] <michealpwalls> :(
[21:33:31] <xlefay> so, how hard is it to: <input type="hidden" name="email" value="email"> or am I missing something?
[21:33:36] <michealpwalls> I should have thrown all of it out from day 1, to be honest..
[21:34:02] <xlefay> and you should probably have done the world a favor and kill the initial author
[21:34:13] <xlefay> Ok, that's a bit too much I suppose
[21:34:27] <xlefay> Still, you should have educated him!
[21:35:01] <xlefay> michealpwalls, for now, just go with sessions..
[21:35:17] <xlefay> If you just need user data to the next page, just do that and save yourself more pain
[21:35:40] <michealpwalls> Yea, honestly sessions is such an easy solution I don't even know why I'm fighting with this stupid form LMAO!
[21:35:48] <michealpwalls> I need sleep. This week has been horrible :(
[21:36:09] <xlefay> From the little you've told me, I don't want to know more, I believe that it's been horrible.
[21:36:27] <xlefay> You did at least smack him, no?
[21:37:08] <michealpwalls> People say things like "Well, if it just shows what the other script sent it, how do we know it was saved in the Database properly?" (*think in my head: Gee, 'cause it hasn't thrown any errors?!*) and hense the crazy select after updating :(
[21:37:41] <xlefay> err, what now?
[21:37:49] <xlefay> you can just check affected rows, no?
[21:37:55] <michealpwalls> Yea, that's what I said
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[21:38:46] <michealpwalls> It's been an exercise in patients :)
[21:39:41] <michealpwalls> In a way it's all good. I get paid to copy/paste code :P
[21:39:44] <michealpwalls> (hifive)
[21:39:55] <xlefay> (hifives back)
[21:40:02] <xlefay> So, where do you work again?
[21:40:16] <michealpwalls> a college, in the Centre for Teaching and Learning :D
[21:40:45] <dentonj> awesome, the topic images are working
[21:41:07] <michealpwalls> So like, it's a bunch of teachers 'n stuff that I work with :)
[21:41:18] <michealpwalls> They hate technology and etc. It's good times!
[21:41:34] <xlefay> ugh
[21:41:37] <xlefay> I feel for you
[21:43:15] <michealpwalls> Heading hope in ~15 anyways
[21:43:15] <Blackmoore> start replacing thier pc's with typewriters.
[21:43:20] <michealpwalls> hah
[21:43:30] <michealpwalls> It's bad enough half the people in this office run IE9 and the other half run IE10
[21:43:41] <michealpwalls> I basically don't have to do anything, their lives are bad enough I say :P
[21:43:57] <xlefay> ugh michealpwalls don't complain about IE10 no need
[21:44:04] <Teckla> IE11 crashed on me repeatedly while I was trying to demo some new front end stuff yesterday :(
[21:44:13] <xlefay> IE10 does a lot of shit right, it might be the very first sane IE version since forever
[21:44:32] <xlefay> but IE9 oh man.. I feel for you
[21:44:44] <Teckla> Needless to say, IE remains firmly on my "this is garbage, avoid it" list >:|
[21:44:45] <michealpwalls> LOL Teckla. I love how IE blames the page... "Waiting for <your page's title> to respond" LOL no no no IE, my page is fucking waiting for *you* to respond..
[21:44:53] <xlefay> Teckla, no doubt ;)
[21:46:20] <Teckla> On a positive note, it only repeatedly crashed the single tab
[21:46:32] <xlefay> LOL
[21:47:50] <michealpwalls> While debugging some scripts in IE11 it crashed repeatedly and then stopped starting up properly..
[21:48:36] <michealpwalls> It would open the window, but inside the browser view area it was always gray and never initialized. The menues were all grayed out etc. Was liek that for about a day until I used the stupid Reset button.
[21:48:40] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Hmmm, my experience may or may not be related to yours, but I did, in fact, have to restart Windows entirely to get IE11 behaving well again
[21:48:54] <michealpwalls> Indeed! I had to reset IE and then restart
[21:49:12] <Teckla> I would have restarted 1/2 way through the demo, but I.T. puts so much crap on these computers that it takes a good 10 minutes until the machine is usable
[21:49:15] <michealpwalls> 'cause I tried killing explorer.exe and relaunching it but then my quicklunch area was gone (facepalm)
[21:49:46] <michealpwalls> Yea, same. That's why I bring my lappy now. When logging into these machines it takes ages. The cup 'n string just aint what it used to be :P
[21:49:47] <Teckla> michealpwalls: Oops, heh
[21:50:37] * Teckla is starting to wonder if most companies would be better off deploying Chromebooks, with actualy Windows PCs/laptops only where absolutely required.
[21:51:12] <michealpwalls> Probably. A lot of people here are logging in as admins :)
[21:51:31] <michealpwalls> They dont' even really realize what it means, hehe :/
[21:51:47] <xlefay> eh what?
[21:51:52] * xlefay sighs, people..
[21:52:09] <michealpwalls> Yea, a lot of the full-time faculty here, they log-in with a ADMIN\ prefix :/
[21:52:12] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Breaking News: Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO - http://sylnt.us
[21:53:11] <michealpwalls> All students who log in just type their student number and pw, but full-time faculty use an ADMIN\ prefix that gets them, I assume, an administrator's profile from the active directory server
[21:53:27] <michealpwalls> Whereas students get a limited user roaming profile that gets whiped everytime. Pretty useless, honestly.
[21:53:39] <xlefay> ADMIN\ would indicate a separate domain, doesn't that just give them more permissions but not admin rights perse?
[21:53:57] <michealpwalls> Hopefully? I could be wrong. I just assumed they were admins haha
[21:53:57] <xlefay> Although that should probably just be done with proper groups..
[21:54:04] <xlefay> nah domain\user
[21:54:07] <michealpwalls> It's a really weird setup I think
[21:54:29] <michealpwalls> So they have a *domain* here called ADMIN? That's confusing!
[21:55:10] <xlefay> Yep, but that's what it is
[21:55:39] <xlefay> They probably want to separate those two groups and keep GPO's easy, but meh, I think they can just do that on one domain but.. I ain't no windows AD admin so don't quote me on it
[21:55:57] <michealpwalls> hah AD is schizophrenic :/
[21:55:58] <xlefay> (although, I'm 100% sure about domain\user whereas a simple 'user' would login to the "default" domain)
[21:56:07] <xlefay> AD is pretty awesome though, it really is
[21:56:23] <michealpwalls> It's just a database with windows profiles, basically, right?
[21:56:34] <michealpwalls> I'm sure an MS marketing guy might take offense to that, but meh
[21:57:00] <michealpwalls> Seems to be all it is. You log-in, get your profile and dance :P
[21:57:34] <michealpwalls> hometime! wooOO!
[21:57:36] <michealpwalls> brb at one :)
[21:57:44] <michealpwalls> err, s:/one/home
[21:58:05] <xlefay> michealpwalls, it's a bit more than just that.
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[22:02:53] <xlefay> We should probably disable the ping time out, then we'll have ghosts!
[22:11:41] <Blackmoore> we are fresh out of power pellets
[22:13:09] <Bytram> get some dilithium crystals then
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[22:14:05] <xlefay> Yes, sir.
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[22:51:10] <Blackmoore> *hates automated payment services*
[22:51:16] <Blackmoore> *rage*
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[22:55:30] <arti> what's occuring?
[22:55:43] * arti likes waking up to money collected from automated payment systems
[22:55:45] <crutchy> g'oop arti
[22:55:52] <arti> l'oop crutchy
[22:56:02] <crutchy> stupid power went out for a bit
[22:56:24] <arti> that sucks, windy or what?
[22:56:29] <crutchy> dunno
[22:56:40] <arti> maybe some meth guy discovered copper!
[22:56:44] <crutchy> rang up faults line and they said there were known issues
[22:56:53] <crutchy> lol not around here
[22:56:56] <arti> that would be my default response to anything
[22:57:01] <crutchy> he'd have to dig through the coal
[22:57:10] <arti> wife: "you're doing it wrong" me: "i'm aware of the issue"
[22:57:22] <crutchy> hahahaha
[22:57:24] <crutchy> kinky
[22:57:28] <arti> e pluribus anus.
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[23:01:20] <crutchy> i haven't really touched my work app for a couple of weeks now
[23:01:42] <crutchy> damn irc bots have caught my interest :-P
[23:01:53] * arti understands this passion well
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[23:03:16] <crutchy> wow sounds like power outage was a decent one
[23:03:29] <crutchy> few towns lost power and still don't have back on
[23:03:30] <arti> tree bears climbing the poles again?
[23:03:39] <crutchy> maybe lots of them
[23:03:45] * arti increases the elderly deaths from heat stroke
[23:03:52] <crutchy> not today
[23:03:56] <arti> [ FFFFSSSSSSSSing Intensifies ]
[23:04:07] <crutchy> i'm rugged up
[23:04:27] <arti> is this marriage speak for unshaven?
[23:04:32] <crutchy> it was 30+ deg C two days ago
[23:04:39] <crutchy> well that too :-P
[23:04:41] <arti> nice, that's california winter right there
[23:04:53] <crutchy> feels like winter here today too
[23:04:58] <crutchy> lol
[23:05:08] <crutchy> "california winter"
[23:05:17] <arti> yeah, grass turns brown and it rains, maybe.
[23:05:22] * arti enjoys this
[23:05:24] <crutchy> isn't that what they call an oxymoron
[23:05:31] <crutchy> haha
[23:05:32] <arti> fuck studded tires and black ice. had my fill of that
[23:05:41] <crutchy> yeah
[23:05:59] <crutchy> if it snows here it's front page news
[23:06:02] <arti> "oh you're deicing your windows?" *goes around barefoot* "...hold on gotta turn on the AC"
[23:06:13] <crutchy> 400 ft above mean sea level
[23:06:17] <crutchy> lol
[23:06:27] <Blackmoore> *throws snowballs*
[23:06:34] <arti> snows throwballs
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[23:07:03] <crutchy> chocolate coated marshmallow with shredded coconut on the outside?
[23:09:00] * crutchy ##
[23:09:09] <arti> too early for doobies
[23:09:12] <arti> @.@
[23:09:27] <crutchy> waaazaaaap!
[23:09:48] <Blackmoore> *sigh* nope, just the ice off the ground here.
[23:10:03] <Blackmoore> but it is "real snow"
[23:10:17] <arti> where do you hail from?
[23:10:26] <Blackmoore> and i still want my two dollars..
[23:10:31] <Blackmoore> buffalo
[23:10:52] <Blackmoore> we're down to the snowbanks at this point
[23:11:00] <arti> wasn't it like 60 yesterday?
[23:11:10] <arti> got a buddy in nyny
[23:11:23] <Blackmoore> yep. but where it was piled up it is still there
[23:11:24] <crutchy> meh nothin happening in hashville anyways
[23:11:32] <crutchy> it's dead in there
[23:12:09] * crutchy has a bacon-flavored spy
[23:12:21] <arti> we need to breed more client.
[23:12:27] <Blackmoore> this winter was brutal. and the storms (2 of them) in the last 2 weeks were just a kick in the nads.
[23:12:28] <arti> s/client/clients/
[23:12:29] <SedBot> <arti> we need to breed more clients.
[23:12:39] <crutchy> i can breed more bots :-P
[23:13:35] <crutchy> where abouts are you blackmoore?
[23:13:39] <crutchy> north east?
[23:15:24] <crutchy> arti: we just need another soylent saga
[23:15:52] <crutchy> nerds and geeks feed off IT "emergencies"
[23:16:00] <crutchy> we can't help it :-P
[23:16:20] <crutchy> it's like the ol' cops and donuts thing
[23:17:11] <crutchy> maybe xlefay can trip something :-)
[23:17:11] <Blackmoore> I'm in Buffalo
[23:17:21] <xlefay> ?
[23:17:26] <crutchy> lol
[23:17:29] <crutchy> g'day mate
[23:17:35] <xlefay> g'day, what's up?
[23:17:51] <crutchy> sorry you must have some kind of foghorn that sounds when someone mentions your nick eh?
[23:17:54] <Blackmoore> as rusty as the rust belt gets. crutchy
[23:18:08] <xlefay> crutchy, something like that, what should I trip?
[23:18:09] <crutchy> lol
[23:18:16] <crutchy> dunno
[23:18:21] <crutchy> we need an emergency
[23:18:27] <xlefay> oh, sec
[23:18:35] <crutchy> maybe run shtf.sh
[23:18:57] <Blackmoore> didnt we have an emergency yesterday - the whole new signin thing?
[23:19:00] <crutchy> not on irc but on main soylent site
[23:19:04] <paulej72> crutchy: drop table users;
[23:19:11] <crutchy> oh that was just a baby one
[23:19:13] <crutchy> lol
[23:19:20] <crutchy> ol' bobby tables
[23:19:43] <crutchy> i bet nc could come up with something really juicy
[23:20:00] <crutchy> something nobody else would have a clue how to fix :-P
[23:20:32] <crutchy> problem with the signin thing was that people that were online seemed to know what to do
[23:20:37] <crutchy> ^^^^that's bad
[23:20:48] <crutchy> :-P
[23:21:19] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - No Drone Killing Licenses in Deer Trail, Colorado - http://sylnt.us - arriving-home-with-a-dead-drone-strapped-on-your-SUV
[23:21:27] <crutchy> need chaos and madness, and people will flock like flies to a turd :-D
[23:22:22] <crutchy> maybe when the next drama happens, all the guys that actually know what to do should pretend they don't :-)
[23:22:24] <xlefay> crutchy, well I suppose, I could remove the SSL cert, kill the LDAP & Kerberos, run a global rm -rf --no-preserve-root / and such, would that suffice?
[23:22:36] <xlefay> ssl cert for MySQL that is.. :p
[23:22:40] <crutchy> hahahaha
[23:22:59] <xlefay> down side, we'd be up in minutes
[23:23:06] <crutchy> bugger
[23:23:51] <crutchy> also just need to make sure if you do something really good (i mean really bad) make sure you're on the opposite side of the earth to wherever nc is at the time
[23:24:25] <xlefay> The thing is.. everything can be fixed within minutes if really need be
[23:24:38] <xlefay> we'd simply put a snapshot back and voila, it's fixed'
[23:24:45] <crutchy> well we shot ourselves in the foot by doin that
[23:24:51] <xlefay> We're prepared for that sorta situations :P
[23:25:16] <crutchy> how we gunna attract all them geeks out there without IT drama?
[23:25:33] <crutchy> maybe we can make an "IT drama honeypot"
[23:25:50] <xlefay> hmm
[23:25:52] <xlefay> We can fake it!
[23:26:02] <crutchy> yeah
[23:26:08] <crutchy> one of them virtual gizmos
[23:27:18] <Blackmoore> Well we could go stir up drama on someone eles's site and then tell the geeks to come here to get awayfrom it
[23:27:46] <crutchy> no don't do that
[23:28:07] <crutchy> then all of geekdom will flock to the other site with drama
[23:28:50] <crutchy> damn
[23:28:55] <crutchy> gotta go to work soon
[23:28:57] <crutchy> stupid clock
[23:29:05] <crutchy> keeps making time move forward
[23:29:47] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:29:47] <SlimShady> karma - coffee: 10
[23:30:06] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[23:30:06] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 205
[23:30:22] <Blackmoore> pancakes++
[23:30:22] <SlimShady> karma - pancakes: 3
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[23:33:16] <song-of-the-pogo> "Internal SAN check blew up checking moderation rights. Please let the powers that be know how and where you recieved this error "
[23:33:32] <xlefay> https://github.com
[23:34:05] <song-of-the-pogo> So, are there ptbs in here that i should let know, or just let it be?
[23:34:06] <xlefay> Blackmoore, ironically, it did seem drama gets the most attention
[23:34:38] <crutchy> squeaky wheels get the grease
[23:34:49] <crutchy> and everyone loves grease
[23:34:56] <crutchy> especially bacon grease :-P
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[23:36:00] <crutchy> if we run windows server with iis and various other crap on some kinda virtual node, it will crap out often enough to keep the geek chatter going :-P
[23:36:01] <michealpwalls> roar!
[23:36:26] <michealpwalls> I agree with crutchy, SoylentNews should switch to Windows Server, with IIS!
[23:36:28] <michealpwalls> (ducks)
[23:36:41] <xlefay> Actually, that idea was floated quite a bit
[23:36:46] <michealpwalls> :O
[23:37:19] <xlefay> Unfortunately, upper management (read: NCommander) declined our request, how inconsiderative of him, right?
[23:37:21] <crutchy> the node could be drama.soylentnews.org :-P
[23:37:26] <michealpwalls> haha 'upper management'
[23:37:53] <michealpwalls> Yes xlefay, indeed!
[23:38:12] <xlefay> Also, I floated the idea of MS SQL earlier today and guess what? NO RESPONSE AT ALL!
[23:38:21] <michealpwalls> haha
[23:38:24] <Blackmoore> @xlefay sadly i have to agree.
[23:38:41] <michealpwalls> You could run SQL Server with WINE on the Ubuntu Server! Just think of the possibilites, guys!
[23:38:47] <xlefay> Blackmoore, about Windows server, IIS, MSSQL or drama?
[23:38:57] <michealpwalls> It'll be so edgy. We'll be cool, like Beta SoylentNews! (hifive)
[23:39:02] <xlefay> michealpwalls, no, we'll specifically abuse CentOS for that and we'll call it WinOS
[23:39:04] <NCommander> xlefay, if you buy the license, and port Slash and ...
[23:39:28] <xlefay> NCommander, and?
[23:39:36] <Blackmoore> and buy all of us a case of tullemore dew
[23:39:36] <michealpwalls> hah
[23:39:37] <NCommander> xlefay, and got Microsoft to open source it :-)
[23:39:51] * NCommander goes to find food while his laptop installs Bundle::Slash
[23:39:51] <arti> we all know how reasonable the licensing is, too!
[23:40:11] <michealpwalls> Yea, microsoft has a fair open source license :D
[23:40:11] <xlefay> NCommander, although, I am particularly fond of 'WinOS - based on CentOS'
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[23:40:51] <michealpwalls> wine on centos is like 1.0 I think (giggle)
[23:40:54] <michealpwalls> So "stable" !
[23:41:05] <xlefay> michealpwalls, and you could be the sysadmin!
[23:41:09] <michealpwalls> nonono
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[23:41:17] <michealpwalls> You've crossed the line :P
[23:41:27] <xlefay> The red or the blue one?
[23:41:32] <Blackmoore> we'll give youpayments in bacon
[23:41:37] * Bytram|away is away: off for the evening
[23:41:46] <michealpwalls> centOS made me colour blind :/
[23:41:50] <crutchy> cause of power outage thismorning: https://www.facebook.com
[23:41:54] <xlefay> Blackmoore, ehm can I retract that job offer and take it myself?
[23:42:22] <Blackmoore> well, it was bacon. i never siad how much
[23:42:24] <michealpwalls> But seriously, we should port Slashcode to classic asp and run it off an IIS.
[23:42:26] <xlefay> Oh right
[23:42:29] <michealpwalls> I think that's pretty fair
[23:42:39] <xlefay> michealpwalls, and what, offer it to Dice?
[23:42:43] <michealpwalls> Exactly
[23:42:44] <xlefay> Think that would be hilarious
[23:42:45] <michealpwalls> Think of the profits
[23:43:02] <xlefay> michealpwalls, the profits being, bacon
[23:43:14] * mattie_p shudders at IIS and Windows Server in general
[23:43:17] <michealpwalls> That'd be so greasy
[23:43:18] <xlefay> We: "You can buy this product for 5 million bits of bacon."
[23:43:25] <michealpwalls> haha
[23:43:28] <xlefay> Dice: "That's amazing! Let's go boys!"
[23:43:35] <xlefay> mattie_p, yea :P
[23:44:30] <mattie_p> I'd sell out for 5 million bits of bacon, assuming the bacon bits were of a normal size for bacon bits (and not bacon molecules, for instance)
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[23:44:46] <xlefay> I was talking about XXL sized bits
[23:45:29] <xlefay> Naturally, that would be a fine print with exact specifications of height, width, etc.
[23:46:00] <xlefay> That would be an awesome way to make Dice lose money imo.
[23:47:03] <xlefay> !bite MicroSoft
[23:47:03] <SlimShady> MicroSoft: Bite my shiny. metal. ass.
[23:47:15] <xlefay> !bite "bacon++ "
[23:47:15] <SlimShady> "bacon++ ": Bite my shiny. metal. ass.
[23:47:31] <xlefay> ugh, guess it's not that brain dead then.
[23:49:06] <mattie_p> it is brain dead, if it is disrespecting bacon
[23:49:15] <xlefay> Which it does!
[23:49:32] <SN> bacon++
[23:49:32] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 206
[23:49:38] <mattie_p> bacon++
[23:49:38] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 207
[23:49:42] <xlefay> bacon++
[23:49:42] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 208
[23:49:53] <xlefay> SlimShady, current-uid
[23:49:53] <SlimShady> The current maximum UID is 4021, owned by BuildTheRobots
[23:50:58] <crutchy> https://www.facebook.com
[23:51:42] <xlefay> woa, heads up: auto play!
[23:52:01] <arti> errbody loves it
[23:52:02] <xlefay> If it's around say, 23:50, it's best not to have speakers at full blast!
[23:52:12] * arti should send you some redtube links
[23:52:18] <Blackmoore> hehe
[23:52:21] <arti> "it sounds like dolphin squeeks!"
[23:52:21] <xlefay> rofl
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[23:58:24] <Blackmoore> alright. g'night. i'm out
[23:58:49] <arti> nite Blackmoore
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