#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-02

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[00:00:37] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - BaconNews: Once More With .onion - http://sylnt.us - this-won't-make-you-cry
[00:05:03] <kobach> lol
[00:08:21] <arti> hahaha
[00:11:38] <Blackmoore> love it.. I need to set up a tor
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[00:14:20] <Blackmoore> ok I'm out. g'night folks
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[00:42:40] <cykros> hrm, figured everyone would be in #bacon today
[00:42:49] <kobach> im not sure there is a #bacon
[00:42:55] <kobach> we stay in the hash channel
[00:42:57] <prospectacle> there is if you believe
[00:43:05] <kobach> prospectacle: indeed
[00:43:14] <cykros> heh, there was for a second when i /join 'ed #bacon
[00:43:23] <kobach> lololol
[00:43:28] <prospectacle> i just tried to join and my faith was rewarded with becoming op of #bacon
[00:43:44] <cykros> yea, that was my result before immediately /parting
[00:43:46] <kobach> cykros: you might want to check ## for the bacon dictatorship
[00:44:00] <cykros> ahh
[00:44:25] <cykros> idk how many people still check slashdot, but the lack of humor over there is amusing in itself.
[00:44:48] <cykros> when people asked where the humor was, i pointed them to us and pipedot...naturally my comments mysteriously disappeared though
[00:45:04] <kobach> lololol
[00:45:08] <kobach> such a mystery
[00:45:22] <cykros> yea, who knows, it must have been random chance. perhaps a roll of the Dice...
[00:45:27] <kobach> rofl
[00:45:31] <kobach> cykros++
[00:45:31] <SlimShady> karma - cykros: 1
[00:45:37] <cykros> :-)
[00:46:10] <cykros> i see everyone's kept busy while i had forgotten to rejoin when i restarted my irc client, i dig the karma system
[00:46:15] <cykros> first time i've seen such a thing on irc
[00:46:32] <kobach> lol
[00:46:46] <kobach> we're working on getting another bot so we can have weather etc
[00:46:48] <prospectacle> yeah it's one of the many subtle benefits of having their own irc server
[00:46:55] <prospectacle> they can make it do whatever they want
[00:47:10] <cykros> that's done by the server? i just figured it was a bot
[00:47:18] <kobach> bots arent allowed on freenode
[00:47:20] <prospectacle> actually you're probably right
[00:47:22] <cykros> ahh
[00:47:25] <cykros> didn't realize that
[00:47:25] <prospectacle> right
[00:47:34] <cykros> i mostly hang out on private irc servers anyway
[00:47:37] <prospectacle> now theyr've got ssl, tor
[00:47:40] <kobach> cykros: same
[00:47:59] <prospectacle> probably they'll have torrents, soon.
[00:48:07] <kobach> possibly
[00:48:17] <paulej72> kobach: the weatherbot should only give the weather for nome alaska or some such
[00:48:23] <cykros> sad to hear no bots on freenode, i was planning a simple bot with a url title announce for one of the channels i'm in. i guess i may just cobble together a perl script for irssi to handle that
[00:48:38] <kobach> paulej72: rofl why
[00:48:38] <prospectacle> Maybe they can use that linux-via-javascript library to make a SN virtual machine if you want to log into that instead of the website. articles can be kept in a /usr folder, comments are appended to a file
[00:48:56] <kobach> prospectacle: oh my
[00:49:16] <paulej72> people want only one time system, so lets give them wether for only one place
[00:49:19] <prospectacle> kobach I'm exaggerating, but probably not my much.
[00:49:21] <cykros> i still hope to someday see someone cobble together a hack of slashcode onto the synchronet bbs system
[00:49:29] <prospectacle> new services appear weekly, it seems
[00:49:33] <cykros> i've seen vbulletin hacked onto synchronet, but that's about as far as that's gone
[00:49:47] <SN> yes we keep the services busy :)
[00:50:37] <kobach> beta--
[00:50:37] <SlimShady> karma - beta: -17
[00:52:06] <paulej72> kobach: better yet bacon, washington as weatherbot’s default location
[00:52:53] <kobach> sounds like a real location
[00:52:56] <kobach> and that can be done
[00:53:03] <kobach> probably
[00:53:26] <kobach> once i figure out how to get python to play nice(i dont know wtf im doing with python) we'll have the bot
[00:55:07] <cykros> i need to grab my friend's python bot he wrote from scratch
[00:55:32] <cykros> nicely modular, and from what i saw, made a bit more sense than supybot, which is the only point of reference i have for python irc bots
[00:55:53] <kobach> i hate python and i havent even used it yet
[00:56:17] <kobach> give me a proper irc bot made of perl
[00:56:25] <cykros> hate python? i mean, i know we're all a bit traumatized by the whitespace on slashdot beta, but it's not THAT bad
[00:56:31] <kobach> lol
[00:58:00] <cykros> torrentfreak has been really on the ball this year with april fool's jokes, but i guess they're just the mouthpiece of a few of the particularly clever trackers
[00:58:16] <cykros> i very much enjoyed the pirate bay virtual reality story
[00:58:40] <cykros> http://torrentfreak.com in case you missed it
[00:59:46] <kobach> lol nice
[00:59:49] <kobach> for those interested we have an idlerpg in #irpg
[01:02:18] * cykros puts on his robe and wizard hat
[01:02:24] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - What Else Goes With Bacon? MUD! - http://sylnt.us - because-pigs-like-mud-its-a-bad-joke
[01:02:38] <kobach> oh shit look out Mattiep is at it again
[01:03:19] <prospectacle> uh oh more services.
[01:03:41] <prospectacle> I can't wait until I can do all my banking and insurance with SN
[01:04:18] <kobach> lol
[01:04:18] <prospectacle> but seriously I really like how much they've added in such a short time
[01:04:29] <prospectacle> abundant_services++
[01:04:29] <SlimShady> karma - abundant_services: 1
[01:04:30] <kobach> theyve been working hard
[01:04:36] <kobach> while i sit here and babysit the irc
[01:04:37] <kobach> lol
[01:05:14] <paulej72> we can be like one of thoes Japaneese or Korean mega corps
[01:05:55] <paulej72> SN heavy industries builds first fusion reactor on moon
[01:06:14] <prospectacle> nice
[01:07:11] <Mattiep> kobach I've been at it for about 2 weeks, this is just the official unveiling
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[01:08:16] <cykros> oh man, talk of bbs door games on that mud post...i'll have to throw a few of the rarer door games i have over at ncommander
[01:08:38] <paulej72> Mattiep: is the mud susposed to be plugged into ##. I was on earlier an a bacon karma spree on ## made the mud very unuseable
[01:09:12] <Mattiep> paulej72 if you sign into the internal IRC channel
[01:09:30] <paulej72> I did not sing into the internal IRC channel
[01:09:32] <Mattiep> I'll probably shif the default to #soylent in a but
[01:09:45] <prospectacle> Leaving aside the future of a not-for-profit news service, has there ever been a site that has irc, forum, mud, wiki and journal?
[01:09:48] <Mattiep> paulej72 hrm, might be a default
[01:10:02] <paulej72> you mentioned it to me but I did not do anything
[01:10:03] <prospectacle> Seems like this is becoming quite a thing even before it's really a thing at all.
[01:10:15] <Mattiep> when I added the channel, not sure if it defaults to on or off, TBH
[01:14:56] <kobach> Mattiep: trying
[01:15:00] <kobach> lol
[01:15:08] <kobach> i know youve been at it ive been watching
[01:17:00] <Mattiep> aww, mudbacon deleted
[01:17:09] <Mattiep> was that you kobach?
[01:17:19] <kobach> no
[01:17:27] <kobach> im kobach
[01:17:33] <kobach> trying to figure out my skills
[01:17:58] <prospectacle> Is it possible to MUD from IRC
[01:18:10] <arti> if your irc client supports sockets!
[01:18:10] <prospectacle> or do I need to dl a special client?
[01:18:22] <cykros> prospectacle: you can use telnet
[01:18:29] <prospectacle> I'm on the web based irc
[01:18:33] <arti> :|
[01:18:34] <prospectacle> cykros, ok, thanks
[01:18:36] <cykros> though for linux i enjoyed tintin++
[01:18:55] <cykros> it has support for aliases and colors and i think macros as well
[01:19:10] <cykros> but there are a good number of other mud clients out there
[01:19:10] <prospectacle> i thought maybe it was like irpg and you could do it through a special room and bot
[01:19:27] <cykros> generally no
[01:19:27] <kobach> Mattiep: is there any benefit to adding skills already listed in [class] default?
[01:20:11] <kobach> like in cleric default is creation, if i add creation to my skills does that give me double
[01:20:20] <kobach> ifi also have cleric default
[01:21:59] <Mattiep> kobach I haven't played too much with the customization, so I have no idea
[01:22:08] <kobach> rofl
[01:22:09] <kobach> ok
[01:22:13] <Mattiep> kobach I just made sure it didn't setgault, mostly
[01:22:22] <kobach> LOL
[01:22:31] <Mattiep> the code is 16 years old, after all :)
[01:49:13] <mrcoolbp> shhh, don't tell anyone but paulej72 is going to try to take over the whole site before the end of day UTC!
[01:49:27] <mrcoolbp> ready your adamantium pitchforks!!!
[01:49:35] <kobach> maybe
[01:50:16] <mrcoolbp> WELL WE SHOULD AT LEAST--er sorry, we should at least get ready!?!?!
[01:51:00] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - NSA, GCHQ - Now spying on Corporations - http://sylnt.us - how-I-met-your-mother
[01:51:31] <mrcoolbp> Hah, serves those corps right
[01:52:33] <MrBluze> baconnews.net, baconnews.org, dailybacon.org, dailybacon.net are now pointing to sn
[01:52:52] <mrcoolbp> nice
[02:00:37] <kobach> MrBluze: good job
[02:01:08] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Breaking: Bacon and Muffins Disappear - http://sylnt.us - staff-released-from-mind-control
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[02:02:05] <MrBluze> well only the website parts
[02:02:08] <SN> balls hurgenson
[02:02:17] <kobach> MrBluze: well what else would it be
[02:02:28] <kobach> lol
[02:02:31] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, someone has seen me in my porno movies :)
[02:02:38] <kobach> hahahaha
[02:02:39] <MrBluze> bacon porn?
[02:02:44] <kobach> MrBluze: no
[02:02:51] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I cater to a kosher audience :)
[02:02:52] <kobach> you know what happens when you fry bacon naked
[02:03:01] <SpallsHurgenson> kobach: actually, I do :)
[02:03:10] <kobach> i actually use the toaster oven
[02:03:12] <MrBluze> 3rd degree burns
[02:03:19] <kobach> so clothing is a nonconcern
[02:03:21] <SpallsHurgenson> although I learned that lesson at a very young age.
[02:03:22] <MrBluze> on your bacon rasher
[02:03:39] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, I got away with just a few scars on my chest :)
[02:03:46] <kobach> lol
[02:04:08] <SpallsHurgenson> which I of course then proudly showed off to all my little friends... I was like seven at the time :)
[02:04:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I have never fried bacon without wearing a level-2 protective suit since then :)
[02:05:16] <kobach> im telling you toaster oven is the way to go
[02:05:41] <kobach> one of the biggest benefits is you cant make a shitload at once, you can easily ration your bacon
[02:05:50] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I like to use the bacon pan to cook the eggs
[02:07:13] * SpallsHurgenson refuses to fry eggs in a toaster oven!
[02:07:22] <SpallsHurgenson> IT! IS! JUST! NOT! DONE!!!!!
[02:07:48] <kobach> no you just drain the grease from the pan in the toaster oven into the cast iron for the eggs
[02:08:15] <kobach> never tried eggs in the toaster oven
[02:08:33] <kobach> or fried bologna for that matter
[02:10:00] <arti> bacon in the toaster oven
[02:10:07] <arti> sounds like a country song
[02:10:53] <paulej72> Ok I need to leave work now that the revolution is over. I’ll be back shortly
[02:11:17] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, did I miss a revolution? I /always/ miss the revolution.
[02:13:27] <paulej72> check the main site. by server time it is 20140402
[02:14:28] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, the bacon thing?
[02:14:32] <SpallsHurgenson> silly baconites
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[02:30:38] <MrBluze> was that the real poutine?
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[02:31:05] <MrBluze> the main site is back to boring normal
[02:32:12] <SpallsHurgenson> slashdot's april foolery was rather pathetic; pipedot's wasn't too bad
[02:32:54] <MrBluze> it wasn't really planned much tbh
[02:33:02] <SpallsHurgenson> but soylent seemed to get most into the spirit of things
[02:33:28] <MrBluze> well more importantly soylent saw releases of many important features
[02:33:42] <arti> yeah, like cd versions of all the stories
[02:33:43] <MrBluze> huge stuff... like .onion, ssl, telnet
[02:33:46] <kobach> bacon and muffins disappear, just like half the stories whenever you login
[02:33:50] <arti> sent out on faux aol packages
[02:33:51] <kobach> lololol
[02:34:06] <MrBluze> trololol actually
[02:34:20] <MrBluze> trololol is the troll's anthem
[02:34:25] <kobach> nothing trolling about stories still disappearing after you login
[02:34:32] <kobach> its only been happening for almost 2 months
[02:34:38] <arti> ...aaaaand it's gone
[02:34:43] <MrBluze> i didnt notice that kobach
[02:35:19] <kobach> i also noticed i dont stay logged into ssh anymore, like i was an hour ago
[02:35:35] <MrBluze> hmm
[02:35:37] <kobach> fixed ssh for a couple hours, good work, we've isolated the problem
[02:35:46] <kobach> now lets make it permanent
[02:35:56] <kobach> unless its changed my settings back
[02:36:07] * MrBluze comes up to kobach and rolls his sleeves up for him
[02:36:21] <MrBluze> i wouldnt know how to do any of that
[02:36:50] <kobach> lol
[02:36:53] <kobach> neither do i
[02:37:01] <kobach> thats why i visit the site like 4 times a week
[02:37:46] <kobach> if that
[02:38:13] <kobach> been trying to more lately, but when you have to click login every other page it gets old
[02:38:55] <kobach> oh well, not my problem
[02:39:02] <kobach> i let other people submit/complain about bugs
[02:39:15] <kobach> i just thought this one would have been fixed by now, which i thought it was an hour ago
[02:39:38] <MrBluze> hmm
[02:39:40] <kobach> maybe it has somthing to do with me havingthe linode address bookmarked, who knows
[02:39:48] <MrBluze> logins are not maintained across ip's
[02:39:59] <kobach> i rarely change ip
[02:40:04] <MrBluze> so on my phone if i change towers it can fail
[02:40:24] <kobach> let me try somthing..
[02:40:46] <MrBluze> actually i suspect the whole authentication system is a bit dicey
[02:40:57] <kobach> DICEy you say?
[02:41:34] <MrBluze> lol
[02:41:39] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Apple Wants to Win Samsung's Won - http://sylnt.us - winner-will-win-wonga-in-the-form-of-won
[02:41:48] <MrBluze> well the session state is .. i dunno, maybe it's hooked on too many things
[02:42:02] <kobach> ok even thought it was fixed for the site it still fails when i use the linode address thave ive had bookmarked since day 4
[02:42:08] <kobach> so i dont think its ssh relate
[02:42:10] <kobach> d
[02:43:14] <kobach> homemade shrinkwrap
[02:43:19] <kobach> electrical tape + lighter
[02:43:21] <kobach> rofl
[02:44:03] <kobach> t-2mins until end of test 1
[02:44:31] <MrBluze> it will be to do with not using a session cookie alone, but tying to an ip address, or maybe to the site url
[02:44:58] <MrBluze> if this was a banking website, i'd be using ip address / session cookie / site url / other fingerprints
[02:45:02] <MrBluze> all together
[02:45:07] <kobach> yes
[02:45:12] <kobach> but we dont do banking yet
[02:45:23] <kobach> personally i think we should be a credit union instead of a bank, but w/e
[02:45:29] <MrBluze> right, we just want functional state, linked to a single browser session
[02:46:09] <arti> sounds like a challenge
[02:51:34] <prospectacle> credit union++
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[02:59:51] <Blackmoore> sup?
[03:01:10] <prospectacle> hi blackmoore
[03:01:14] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I don't know whether this makes me laugh or cry http://www.youtube.com
[03:01:54] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Benefits of screening prostate cancer over age 60 - http://sylnt.us - don't-put-your-finger-in-there-again!
[03:05:03] <SpallsHurgenson> if they really cared about getting men to check prostate cancer, they'd find another way to find it :)
[03:06:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, really; we're living in the 21st century and the best we can come up with is "bend over and cough"?
[03:07:02] <kobach> lol
[03:12:54] <Blackmoore> Well Spalls, for you, you can hold this radiation emitter in your mouth, and i'll have the technichian hold up a sheet of photo paper
[03:13:43] <Blackmoore> but yeah. the squishy parts inside are really not good for imaging
[03:14:13] <SpallsHurgenson> then we need to build a better squishy-bit imager!
[03:14:32] <Blackmoore> my dad had prosate cancer (some 30 years ago) and process has gotten better
[03:14:56] <SpallsHurgenson> they used to use a fork :)
[03:15:03] <Blackmoore> true
[03:15:25] <Blackmoore> when i had my up GI it was radioactive dye and a camera up my ass
[03:16:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm sure your slideshows must be lovely :)
[03:17:24] <Blackmoore> eh. the cat scan of my head a couple months ago is more interesting
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[03:18:05] <Blackmoore> and i'm sure it would be more interesting now after the surgery
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[03:22:03] <SpallsHurgenson> would men be more willing to have their prostrate examined if it wasn't a doctor doing the deed but a machine? "Please sir, step into the Probolator..."
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[03:32:05] <prospectacle> That nagger seems to have done the trick
[03:32:18] <kobach> lol
[03:32:20] <kobach> good
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[03:37:52] <prospectacle> Seems like no one can decide whether to run the story about the christian video game
[03:38:06] <kobach> probably because nobody cares about a christian video game
[03:38:15] <kobach> lol
[03:38:21] <prospectacle> having looked at their kickstarter video, I'm not surprised they didn't reach their funding goal.
[03:38:49] <kobach> LOL
[03:38:50] <prospectacle> Could have been fun to play a video game set in the bible world, but this video did not make it look like fun, or give sufficient reason to believe there was fun to come.
[03:39:09] <kobach> well its an honest game then
[03:39:12] <kobach> life sucked back then
[03:39:15] <kobach> lol
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[03:40:10] <kobach> sirfunkis
[03:40:14] <kobach> sup
[03:41:29] <Blackmoore> @prospectacle - i hope so. I dont ever want to see my name next to THAT many in th same day
[03:42:36] <Blackmoore> Hey does anyone have experience with GRUB? i'm having a failure over here
[03:42:45] <prospectacle> blackmoore, but you'll be famous
[03:42:56] <prospectacle> blackmoore, only very mild experience
[03:42:58] <prospectacle> what's the problem?
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[03:43:39] <Blackmoore> we recently re-installed Linux on my wife's dual boot system, and grub went away.
[03:44:03] <Blackmoore> so far we've manged to make a new config file for it
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[03:44:13] <Blackmoore> and i can get it to boot into it
[03:44:27] <Blackmoore> but i cant get it back to windows.
[03:44:47] <kobach> youll need to reinstall it
[03:44:54] <kobach> looks like windows wrote over it
[03:45:00] <kobach> did you install windows 2nd?
[03:45:15] <bytram|away> kobach: my thoughts exactly.
[03:45:16] <prospectacle> are you able to run this: https://help.ubuntu.com
[03:45:17] <Blackmoore> no. windows has been installed
[03:45:26] <kobach> is it windows 8?
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[03:45:36] <kobach> sup Bytram
[03:46:00] <kobach> regardless i think youll probably have to reinstall grub, try prospectacle s link
[03:46:08] <kobach> i havent looked at it but its probably right
[03:46:09] <Bytram> not much... checking in for a bit and then try and make an early night of it.
[03:46:19] <Blackmoore> let me try boot repair.
[03:46:52] <Blackmoore> it's win 7, but i recently wiped the linux partitions and installed mint 16 there
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[03:47:06] <Bytram> I've heard that windows does not think to concern itself that there might be some other OS out there; just assumes it owns the box and rewrites the MBR accordingly... need to install windows, and then install linux... at least from what I've read.
[03:49:15] <Blackmoore> guys, you are right but that aint the problem.
[03:49:27] <Blackmoore> the problem is the grub config file
[03:49:40] <Blackmoore> it has no clue where windows is
[03:52:10] <Popeidol> I've used supergrubdisk to fix that before, but that was more than a few years ago
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[03:55:08] <sea> BaconNews? What the fuck
[03:55:18] * sea rears up in vegetarian rage
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[03:57:30] <kobach> lol
[04:01:34] <sea> O.o are the MUD, .onion access, IPv6-only, and SSL stories all true?
[04:01:38] <sea> I don't know what's real anymore!
[04:01:54] <kobach> ofc
[04:05:02] <MrBluze> they are, sea
[04:05:05] <MrBluze> try them
[04:05:51] <sea> soylentnews.org seems to have an IPv4 address, and I'm accessing it via v4 somehow. Either my ISP is bridging it or it's not tru
[04:05:56] <sea> true*, and I can't tell which
[04:07:32] <Blackmoore> the ipv6 is backend i think
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[04:07:49] <Blackmoore> the site still has a ip4 address.
[04:10:46] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - The End of High Speed Trading? - Probably Not - http://sylnt.us - there-is-money-to-be-made
[04:11:22] <NCommander> sea, SSL is true, IPv6 is on the backend, not the frontend
[04:11:38] <NCommander> sea, and the mud isn't onioned as it went up just a few hours ago
[04:14:02] <kobach> bunch of porn stars here
[04:14:19] <kobach> we got balls hurgenson, prospectacle the testicle, the kobachness monster, etc
[04:14:38] <Cyprus> just want to say Yay on ssl!
[04:15:06] <SpallsHurgenson> bwow chikka chikka, bwow chikka chikka!
[04:15:19] * SpallsHurgenson delivers a pizza
[04:15:42] <kobach> hahaha
[04:15:46] * kobach is here to fix the cable
[04:16:00] <kobach> ill show them my cable
[04:16:04] <kobach> ;)
[04:16:38] <kobach> Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong with eine cable
[04:17:51] <Blackmoore> *headdesk*
[04:18:08] <SpallsHurgenson> umm... wait... there is only a pizza delivery guy and a cable guy? Where's the girl? I think I'm in the wrong movie!
[04:18:26] <kobach> hmm
[04:18:32] <kobach> shes probably still in the bathroom
[04:18:40] * kobach starts looking around the house intrusively
[04:19:10] <Blackmoore> or we're in a gay porn. *sigh*
[04:19:19] <kobach> D:
[04:19:35] <SpallsHurgenson> on a completely different note - and in a desperate attempt to change the subject - Steam's In-House Streaming is neat :)
[04:19:50] <kobach> bacon has everything good about it, except some people dont even like faux bacon
[04:19:53] <kobach> whoops
[04:19:55] <kobach> wrong chan again
[04:19:55] <kobach> i fail
[04:19:56] <kobach> lol
[04:20:02] <Blackmoore> no such luck with grub.
[04:20:13] <Blackmoore> but i am getting closer.
[04:21:01] <Blackmoore> now it cant find ntldr
[04:21:11] <Blackmoore> (i was wrong - wife has xp.
[04:21:13] <kobach> lol
[04:21:23] <kobach> now you're really fucked
[04:21:26] <kobach> now you wont get anything to boot
[04:21:37] <Blackmoore> I like Faux bacon.. but perfer real bacon
[04:21:56] <Blackmoore> no - it will only boot into linux.
[04:21:57] <kobach> normal people do
[04:22:02] <kobach> oh its booting into linux
[04:22:04] <kobach> well this is good
[04:22:22] <Blackmoore> it's a start - but i cant get into finish my taxes
[04:22:52] <Blackmoore> the XP drive is there we can get into it from linux
[04:23:12] <kobach> what program were you using
[04:23:25] <Blackmoore> turbotax
[04:23:29] <kobach> ill see if it works on wine(LOL taxes it wont)
[04:23:31] <kobach> k h/o
[04:24:13] <kobach> no dice
[04:24:23] <kobach> well it cant find ntldr
[04:24:26] <kobach> so find your xp cd
[04:24:34] <kobach> find your win 7 cd, and install that :p
[04:24:37] <Blackmoore> uh yeah..
[04:25:14] <kobach> that rug really tied the room together
[04:25:35] <kobach> here you go http://kickass.to find one
[04:25:38] <kobach> lol
[04:25:44] <Blackmoore> :
[04:25:47] <Blackmoore> :)
[04:26:32] <Blackmoore> actually i have version i can burn
[04:27:37] <kobach> burn it then go into recovery console
[04:27:49] <kobach> i forgot which command fixes it exactly but i know one of them will fix it
[04:27:54] <kobach> either type fixmbr or fixboot
[04:27:55] <kobach> or both
[04:27:59] <kobach> and should fix ntldr
[04:28:59] <kobach> might be another one too, just type ? or help or whatever and itll give you the command list
[04:31:11] * kobach blasts Dokken
[04:35:25] <Blackmoore> thank kobach
[04:35:45] <Blackmoore> we'll see how that goes once I can get the XP disk
[04:37:39] <kobach> lol
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[04:54:12] * SpallsHurgenson is working very hard trying to figure out what video game on which to waste his time
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[04:57:37] <velex> hello
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[04:58:32] <SpallsHurgenson> buenas noches!
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[05:00:42] <velex> ok, i'm going to reconnect and see if i have irssi configured correctly
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[05:03:46] <velex> 'night all
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[05:04:08] <SpallsHurgenson> that velex, always a great conversationalist :)
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[05:08:31] <NCommander> !top-uid
[05:09:48] <mattie_p> should be !current-uid
[05:11:45] <SpallsHurgenson> !current-uid
[05:11:45] <SlimShady> The current maximum UID is 4007, owned by cybernot
[05:11:52] <SpallsHurgenson> (somebody had to do it)
[05:13:00] <SpallsHurgenson> look at all those pathetic sods with 4-digit UIDs! :)
[05:14:21] <Blackmoore> !quote 78
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[05:15:00] <mattie_p> hey poutine--
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[05:21:38] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Benefits of Screening Prostate Cancer Over Age 60 - http://sylnt.us - don't-put-your-finger-in-there-again!
[05:27:53] <kobach> poutine--
[05:27:53] <SlimShady> karma - poutine: -335
[05:27:53] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, well, the AC beats us all, even me :-)
[05:29:00] <Blackmoore> ok. must crash. cya
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[05:31:47] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - NHTSA Requires All Vehicles Have Rear-View Cameras - http://sylnt.us - so-drivers-will-look-at-a-screen-and-not-where-they-are-going
[05:35:04] <SpallsHurgenson> erm... uh... look, I don't know how to say this, so I'll just come right out and say it.
[05:35:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm sorry, but I pushed a button and well...
[05:35:21] <SpallsHurgenson> the universe is going to end in 34 billion years.
[05:35:27] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry about that. I'll try not to do it again.
[05:36:10] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't know why he even has that button in the first place
[05:36:32] <sea> 34 billion years? Why that number?
[05:37:54] <SpallsHurgenson> dunno; that's just what it says on the read-out when I press the button. Look, I'll do it again.
[05:37:56] <SpallsHurgenson> oops.
[05:38:04] <SpallsHurgenson> it says 17 billion years now
[05:38:31] <mattie_p> stop pushing button then? seems like it halves universe lifetime
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[05:38:44] <sea> SpallsHurgenson: Press it 24 times more.
[05:39:16] <sea> Hmm, and then 10 times more after that.
[05:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> oh no! Fool me once, shame on me! Fool me 34 times, shame on you!
[05:40:54] <kobach> oh my
[05:40:57] <SpallsHurgenson> besides, I don't want the same thing to happen to this universe as happened the last time
[05:41:08] <kobach> lol
[05:41:34] * sea snatches the button and presses it 34 times
[05:42:14] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, don't do that! This is where I keep all my stuff!
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[05:44:29] <sea> Muahahaha
[05:44:33] <sea> HAAA-hahahahaha!!
[05:44:42] * sea brings death, destruction, and ruin to all that is
[05:44:45] * sea pushes the button MORE
[05:44:52] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> I lose more universes that way...
[05:44:53] * sea brings about utter void and total non-being
[05:45:35] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, there's no non-being. turns out the born-again christians were right, unfortunately.
[05:46:13] * sea watches all that is fade away into the endless, timeless, indescribable wasteland of unimaginably pure nonexistence
[05:46:37] * sea whacks SpallsHurgenson on the head and tosses them into the abyss, too
[05:46:41] <sea> HAAA-hahahahaha!!
[05:46:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Wheeeeeee! Spinny!
[05:46:57] <sea> There, my anger at the world is sated for now
[05:47:24] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh>
[05:47:42] * SpallsHurgenson gets to work recreating a universe...
[05:48:05] <SpallsHurgenson> now, which ones were bigger, the protons or the electrons, I forget? Oh hell, I'll just wing it :)
[05:48:13] <sea> lol
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[05:49:13] <sea> Why don't you make it all out of just one particle this time?
[05:49:23] <sea> Heck, why use particles at all? Why not use really small vibrating strings?
[05:49:36] <kobach> bacon particles
[05:50:08] <sea> You could let the properties of the strings depend on their frequency and make them massless, frictionless, and infinitely long
[05:50:22] <sea> Oh, and be sure to add maybe 20 dimensions or so
[05:50:25] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I'll just have one super-tiny vibrating string repeatedly bouncing back and forth through time and space.
[05:50:26] <sea> Just in case.
[05:50:37] <SpallsHurgenson> it'll save on materials :)
[05:50:47] <sea> Why use materials at all?
[05:51:01] <sea> Why not bend space in on itself and use the contours as your 'string'?
[05:51:11] <sea> Fold it up like a paper hat
[05:51:15] <SpallsHurgenson> 'cause I like bouncing :)
[05:51:17] <sea> and poke a hole in it occasionally
[05:54:58] <kobach> oh my
[05:55:09] * kobach throws several pounds of bacon at sea
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[06:07:56] <sea> oh god
[06:08:10] <kobach> lololol
[06:08:22] <kobach> catch me some lobster
[06:08:25] <SpallsHurgenson> please do not worship the pig flesh
[06:08:42] <kobach> bacon++
[06:08:42] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 200
[06:09:00] <kobach> porkrinds++
[06:09:00] <SlimShady> karma - porkrinds: 1
[06:09:02] <kobach> porkrinds++
[06:09:02] <SlimShady> karma - porkrinds: 2
[06:09:02] <kobach> porkrinds++
[06:09:02] <SlimShady> karma - porkrinds: 3
[06:09:05] <kobach> i love pig flesh
[06:09:45] <kobach> weeeee
[06:09:59] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, we've seen the incriminating videos
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[06:14:02] * SpallsHurgenson fiddles with DOSBox .CFGs
[06:15:04] <Konomi> done that before
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[06:21:42] <keplr> Good, the April fools madness is over.
[06:23:34] <SpallsHurgenson> that's just what they WANT you to think
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[06:26:25] <keplr> If all the mined gold on Earth were gathered in one spot it would be equal to a cube just 60m to a side.
[06:36:11] <Popeidol> but given how thin it can be beaten while still being conductive and pretty, that cube could be spread over an incredible area
[06:37:02] <keplr> I'm now carrying a couple grams around in my mouth
[06:40:40] <Popeidol> my vague maths indicates that cube turned into gold leaf would cover something like 2,160,000 km^2
[06:40:50] <Popeidol> but that's taking one of the thicker estimates for gold leaf
[06:41:52] <Popeidol> so at the very least you could gold-leaf mexico
[06:42:18] <Popeidol> and for thinner gold leaf you might be able to do the whole USA
[06:42:55] <SpallsHurgenson> might need to pound it flat first; all those crevices and mountains add to the total area :)
[06:44:20] <Popeidol> let's get the giant gold cube first, then work out the details
[06:44:30] <SpallsHurgenson> finally a reason to get rid of those pesky rocky mountains!
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[06:46:10] * NCommander chews on his pen for awhile
[06:46:21] <NCommander> keplr, at least ours wasn't obxious
[06:47:03] <swiss> hallo
[06:53:30] <NCommander> Error 503 Service Unavailable
[06:53:37] <NCommander> ^- its amushing when the other site is giving varnish errors
[06:59:59] <Konomi> I get those on and off all the time
[07:00:05] <Konomi> or when I visited there I did
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[07:00:25] <Konomi> I removed the "other site" from my iceweasel bookmarks awhile ago
[07:01:00] <keplr> Maybe we should advertise there in the comments
[07:01:08] <keplr> I've got over ten years of karma to burn
[07:01:35] <Konomi> I would but I don't really like doing such things
[07:01:45] <keplr> I did put a link in my sig, but I haven't posted there in a while.
[07:01:46] <Konomi> maybe in my signiture I'd feel is acceptable but not in my actual posts
[07:01:49] <Konomi> if I did post there anymore
[07:05:24] <Popeidol> it's a fine line to walk
[07:05:39] <Popeidol> actual spamming will negatively associate it in the minds of actual people
[07:06:48] <Popeidol> but it would also be a relevant reply if somebody was complaining about some aspects of the site that are fixed over here.
[07:08:27] <kobach> ^
[07:08:29] <kobach> this
[07:11:03] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Study the Strike Zone - http://sylnt.us - no-not-nuclear-war-but-baseball
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[07:55:55] <cykros> so where is the web interface for the idlerpg on here anyway?
[07:56:08] <cykros> (i'd ask in that channel, but you know, penalties and all...)
[08:04:57] <NCommander> By the way
[08:04:58] <NCommander> http://staff.soylentnews.org
[08:05:09] <NCommander> ^- if anyone is interested, here are our comment counts for the last two weeks
[08:05:15] <NCommander> (as generated by the backend)
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[08:09:11] <hka> cykros: there is non yet, atleat not one working yet. But xlefay is working on one.
[08:11:30] <cykros> ahh, cool cool, just wanted to look at some of the stats and world map
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[08:37:28] <swiss> i should sleep
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[08:41:57] <arti> maybe?
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[08:42:10] * arti greets crutchy in the usual manner
[08:42:11] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Real Malware - In a Mouse - http://sylnt.us - I'm-not-paranoid-enough-already
[08:43:43] <crutchy> g'oop mate
[08:43:49] <arti> g'oop
[08:43:55] <arti> making some headway with haskell :D
[08:43:56] <crutchy> fkin long day
[08:43:59] <crutchy> ooh
[08:44:09] <arti> no shit? well some good news is the payment processor is a go
[08:44:38] * arti is working on lipstick and debugging a duplicate error message (well they're distinct but only one record should be entered per transaction)
[08:45:03] <crutchy> lipstick?
[08:45:11] <arti> also resisted smoking o> o/
[08:45:21] <arti> lipstick = front end work
[08:45:36] <crutchy> sounds like something to do with RoR, or are you questioning your gender?
[08:45:39] <crutchy> oh
[08:45:48] <arti> i don't mind lipstick on me, except white shirts
[08:45:51] <crutchy> i call that eyecandy
[08:46:21] <arti> eyecandy for me is stuff like slideshows, and movement stuff
[08:46:38] <crutchy> yeah i don't mind lipstick in the way that you were prolly thinking too :-P
[08:46:40] <arti> "yeah i want a spiral text effect for the cursor on my website!"
[08:46:46] <crutchy> lol
[08:47:06] <crutchy> that's not eyecandy... that's eyesore
[08:47:15] <arti> eyesore should be our joint js library
[08:47:47] <arti> "it's a canvas object that displays a binary state, toggleable via methods. send money!"
[08:48:12] <crutchy> is that the company you work for?
[08:48:43] <arti> no
[08:48:55] * arti works for a software company that does lots of cobol
[08:49:22] <crutchy> oldskool
[08:49:49] <arti> yeah, stuff for ads and circulation for newspapers
[08:49:52] <crutchy> sounds like banking and big iron stuff
[08:50:01] <crutchy> oh oky dokes that too :-P
[08:50:09] <arti> indeed, its big iron
[08:50:11] <NCommander> Holy crap
[08:50:13] * NCommander just did some math
[08:50:17] <arti> sweet!
[08:50:19] <NCommander> From the post going up tonight
[08:50:30] * arti greets ncommander like doc brown
[08:50:32] <crutchy> 1+1=windows
[08:50:42] * arti claps and presses another button
[08:50:48] <crutchy> that would be scary arti
[08:50:59] <NCommander> I wanted to work out what Slashdot's viewer to poster ratio is
[08:51:03] <NCommander> Its *horrendous*
[08:51:17] <NCommander> Let's assume that the average poster posts 5 comments a month (which is an extremely conservative estimate in my opinion). then out of those 3.7M unique visitors, <b>only one person out of a thousand</b> (1060 to be specific) is posting a comment.
[08:51:18] <arti> it always is
[08:51:22] <crutchy> what's "slashdot"?
[08:51:37] <arti> ncommander look at the amount of people who respond to ads
[08:51:51] <arti> crutchy: http://funnyshit.com.au
[08:52:07] <NCommander> arti, I'm asking the community on why they lurked on the other site. From some IRC conversations I had, *a lot* of people before coming to SN perma-lurked
[08:52:14] <NCommander> As in go years between comments or even logging in
[08:52:31] <arti> wonder what 4chans lurk to post rate is
[08:52:48] <arti> ars has a pretty cool community
[08:52:51] * NCommander doesn't have solid numbers on our unique readers
[08:52:53] * arti is jussayin
[08:52:58] <crutchy> tsk tsk they spelt bugger wrong... stupid c*nts
[08:53:00] <NCommander> My guess is we get ~approximately 25k in a month
[08:53:09] <arti> crutchy: they're ignorant foreigners, fuck them
[08:53:13] <crutchy> :-P
[08:53:17] <NCommander> Slashdot's ratio is so low, even youtube videos outpace them
[08:53:32] <NCommander> That's NOT a healthy community
[08:53:33] <arti> ncommander: so make it so youcan login with your twitterz
[08:53:46] <crutchy> i watched a youtube video on how youtube streams... it's very technical shit
[08:53:48] <arti> users, bless them, are a lazy lot.
[08:54:03] <arti> crtuchy: your socket spreads and the data beams in
[08:54:19] <crutchy> my socket has cobwebs
[08:54:26] <crutchy> oh you mean *that* socket
[08:54:36] <arti> oh yes
[08:54:50] <crutchy> married life for ya
[08:55:00] <arti> the promiscuous one.
[08:55:17] <arti> beats having a title like "the stern"
[08:55:41] <crutchy> that socket has a one way valve
[08:55:52] <arti> thats damping for you
[08:58:48] <crutchy> http://funnyshit.com.au
[08:59:07] <crutchy> take 3 is confusing IT guys with engineers
[08:59:32] <crutchy> IT guys would juts fill the glass up with js
[08:59:35] <arti> The second IT guy nodded approvingly, "Good choice. The clothes probably wouldn't have fit."
[08:59:37] <arti> LOL
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[09:16:12] <xlefay> mornin'
[09:16:30] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v xlefay] by SN
[09:17:54] <arti> greetings xlefay
[09:18:15] * arti leaves offerings of bacon
[09:34:18] <xlefay> What's up?
[09:34:44] <arti> debugging
[09:35:00] <xlefay> Aah, our bread 'n butter ;)
[09:35:12] <arti> also got past a hump with some haskell stuff
[09:35:15] * arti is excited
[09:35:32] <arti> creating "objects" is really strange
[09:35:36] <arti> its simple but strange
[09:38:39] <xlefay> haha nice ;)
[09:38:59] <crutchy> can you give us example arti?
[09:39:07] <crutchy> so we can poke fun at it :-P
[09:39:13] <arti> yeah, what i wanted to do was a complete data type
[09:39:16] <crutchy> we need something to poke fun at
[09:39:27] * arti points at the channel clown
[09:39:37] <crutchy> who's that?
[09:40:25] <arti> the lazy bum
[09:40:33] <arti> so one way to do it is
[09:40:39] <arti> firstName :: Person -> String
[09:40:51] <arti> firstName (Person firstname _ _ _ _ _) = firstname
[09:41:22] <arti> this assumes person is made up of firstName, lastName, age, height, phoneNumber, flavor
[09:41:37] <xlefay> "flavor"?
[09:41:42] <arti> favorite flavor >.>
[09:41:52] * arti hides the knives
[09:41:55] <xlefay> rofl
[09:42:09] <arti> better method
[09:42:22] <arti> data Person = Person {firstName :: String
[09:42:27] <arti> , lastName :: String
[09:42:31] <arti> , age :: Int
[09:42:36] <arti> ...
[09:42:41] <arti> } deriving (Show)
[09:42:45] <crutchy> that kinda looks a bit more normal
[09:42:48] <xlefay> , Flavor :: Taste
[09:42:56] <arti> taste would be a function in that case
[09:43:24] <crutchy> k you lost me with the last line
[09:43:34] <crutchy> it that a class declaration?
[09:43:49] <arti> its a data type
[09:43:59] <crutchy> like a record?
[09:44:04] <xlefay> deriving (Show) is what we're talking about, right?
[09:44:11] <arti> correct
[09:44:19] <crutchy> wow a record that can derive like a class can
[09:44:39] <arti> uh not like a record
[09:44:40] <crutchy> so can't have methods though?
[09:45:04] <arti> so creating these data types (to populate with stuff via functions)
[09:45:20] <arti> i wanted to build a complex type
[09:45:25] <arti> made up of multiple
[09:45:32] <arti> so think company, person, car.
[09:45:45] <xlefay> So you pass the type "Person"?
[09:45:50] <crutchy> sounds kinda like a delphi record
[09:46:08] <crutchy> http://www.delphibasics.co.uk
[09:46:42] <arti> example
[09:46:54] <crutchy> not sure if you can derive delphi records (never use them much) but may be able to
[09:47:05] <arti> data Client = GovOrg String
[09:47:14] <arti> | Company String Integer String String
[09:47:23] <arti> | Individual String String Bool
[09:47:48] <arti> interactive time
[09:47:49] <arti> :t GovOrg "Nasa"
[09:47:57] <arti> returns GovORg "Nasa" :: Client
[09:47:58] <crutchy> k that's looking weirder
[09:48:24] <arti> :t Company "Pear Inc." 342 "Mr. Sparrow" "CEO"
[09:48:46] <arti> returns Company "Pear Inc." 342 "Mr. Sparrow" "CEO" :: Client
[09:48:58] <arti> now if i try to do individual
[09:49:20] <arti> i get a complaint from the interperter
[09:49:25] <arti> with regards to the name
[09:50:08] <arti> it was terrible, i reviewed a few different sources, and the enlightenment came from learnyouahaskell.com
[09:50:23] <arti> this is totally random and i'm doing a terrible job at communicating this
[09:50:31] <arti> plus irc is terrible for code formatting
[09:50:37] <arti> the syntax is terse
[09:50:42] <xlefay> That's why we have pastebin :)
[09:50:48] <arti> fuck you and your logic
[09:50:54] * arti hucks bacon at xlefay
[09:51:34] <arti> crutchy: yeah very similar to records
[09:51:56] <crutchy> records in delphi are pretty cool, especially when used with pointers
[09:52:02] <arti> it's so sweet having a compiled language handle all the type crap
[09:52:13] <crutchy> you can communicate a fuckload of data between different processes
[09:52:31] <arti> i'll have to do some experiments in delphi after i grok this
[09:53:04] <arti> crutchy: http://learnyouahaskell.com
[09:54:38] <crutchy> kinda looks a little like scheme or something (not that i know how to program scheme but i saw it in an online lecture once :-P
[09:55:15] <Popeidol> I did haskell back in first year uni
[09:55:25] <arti> nice, make anything cool?
[09:55:49] <Popeidol> I recall a project that summarised cricket scores
[09:55:56] <Popeidol> but nothing too exciting
[09:56:06] <arti> lists or pulled from somewhere?
[09:56:09] <Popeidol> I really enjoyed the language though
[09:56:15] <Popeidol> pulled from a data file, not live
[09:56:25] <arti> its been painful getting going
[09:56:28] <Popeidol> (this was back in 04, not sure where it would have pulled them from)
[09:56:45] <Popeidol> they taught it to us at the same time as java, and haskell felt more natural to me
[09:56:47] <arti> websocket text file, rss?
[09:57:01] <arti> -web
[09:57:23] <arti> i really like how it handles things
[09:57:45] <Popeidol> it's always the language I keep thinking about going back and playing around with
[09:58:09] * arti likes that its pretty quick and the whole threading thing
[09:58:51] <crutchy> arti: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[09:58:55] <arti> there is much to learn still before i can do anything fun
[09:59:06] * arti typically likes to jump into file access
[09:59:10] <arti> then sockets
[09:59:24] <arti> that requires a bit of mastery to do
[09:59:34] <crutchy> lot of crap there but shows how you can use records in delphi to talk across processes
[09:59:36] <Popeidol> haskell is also a really good language for recursion
[10:00:11] <arti> thats basically how you do everything in it
[10:00:18] <arti> oh you want to loop something, call the function!
[10:00:26] <arti> mapping
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[10:04:17] <arti> recursion: http://pastebin.com
[10:05:29] <arti> computes the max and min in a list
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[10:12:58] <crutchy> hi tem520,prospectacle
[10:13:14] <prospectacle> a great evening to you crutchy
[10:14:39] <kobach> sup gents
[10:14:53] <arti> greetings
[10:19:09] <prospectacle> Who wants to brainstorm ideas for promoting the site?
[10:19:26] <xlefay> Just throw your ideas in here and let's see ;)
[10:19:39] <kobach> put the link on packages of bacon
[10:19:54] <prospectacle> I'll start: Crowdfunded prizes for anyone who can first provide needed/working code for a desired feature
[10:19:56] <xlefay> ha
[10:20:18] <prospectacle> users vote by pledging to a prize, biggest prize gets funded. the rest of the pledges don't have to be paid.
[10:20:50] <xlefay> I like that idea, it's like "gittip" but a bit reversed
[10:20:59] <arti> tipgit sounds like a ghey thing
[10:21:12] <arti> i guess it works both ways
[10:21:19] <arti> should advertise this to the grindr folks
[10:21:30] * arti makes notes
[10:21:59] <arti> oh! xlefay, btw you totally hit me with a crit in the game
[10:22:06] <arti> ~ 24hours added to my clock -_-
[10:22:45] <xlefay> prospectacle, from what I'm hearing, it wouldn't require SN to be a NFP yet, since it's entirely the community who's offering it to programmers, right? (e.g. if you were to use something existing like gittip)
[10:22:57] <xlefay> arti, I'm sorry!
[10:23:09] <arti> it's cool, you couldn't help it. it was like a sneeze
[10:23:17] <xlefay> Where did this happen?
[10:23:30] <arti> irpg about a day ago
[10:23:37] <xlefay> oh
[10:23:45] <prospectacle> xlefay, exactly, you could even kickstarter (or similar) it if you promised you would make it yourself if no one claimed the prize. I mean kickstarter (or similar) don't care who you employ or by what means, to get the product delviered, right?
[10:24:09] <prospectacle> As long as the resulting code was open source, it could be something you offer as a product (with stickers, guide-books, name-credits, whatever)
[10:24:25] <xlefay> prospectacle, kickstarter seems overkill, I'm certain there are sites that allow for these things, I just don't remember which one specifically
[10:24:46] <arti> we're looking for funding?
[10:24:50] <xlefay> the real question however is, who will be the judge?
[10:24:53] <arti> collecting from many for a single?
[10:24:54] <prospectacle> xlefay, you're right, just an example that you could use almost any crowdfunding service, since how the product is developed is an "implementation detail".
[10:25:14] <prospectacle> well, ncommander or section head would have to be the judge. I mean whoever has to integrate/deploy the code.
[10:25:27] <arti> ncommander can't be trusted with code!
[10:25:36] <prospectacle> there could be sub-judges who make sure only decent entries get to the last round of judging
[10:25:38] <arti> all that opensource rots your mind!
[10:25:41] <xlefay> arti, the idea is that people can "pledge" money to a specific feature and whoever implement said functionality (and it gets accepted in the repo); will earn the pledged money for said feature
[10:25:49] <prospectacle> arti, well, whoever has to deploy it
[10:25:52] <arti> aah cool, how long do you think features will take?
[10:26:06] <arti> there are ... issues with capturing money
[10:26:19] <prospectacle> arti, as long as there's a decent limit (not too long, not too short), the answer is "As soon as it can be done by some rogue genius on the interwebs"
[10:26:37] <xlefay> arti, but this wouldn't go through SN directly. It's just people wanting a feature and paying an independent developer for it
[10:26:57] * arti is thinking about how the authorization occurs vs capture
[10:27:02] <prospectacle> arti, there are, but if registered users can pledge, then who would want to go back on their word and risk being named and shamed, or else being barred from future pledges/
[10:27:04] <prospectacle> ?
[10:27:23] <xlefay> prospectacle, probably have to change pledge to "in advanced"
[10:27:45] <xlefay> and if in three months nothing gets done, the money is returned?
[10:27:46] <prospectacle> xlefay, right, as long as it were someone on the staff who the members trusted, they woulnd't have to be legally acting on behalf of "the site"
[10:27:57] <xlefay> arti, github log in?
[10:28:11] <arti> https://www.balancedpayments.com
[10:28:18] <prospectacle> xlefay, yeah if the deadline passes (however long it is) money would have to be returned (- paypall fees, I guess).
[10:28:19] <xlefay> prospectacle, no offense to anyone, I'd rather trust a third party who specializes in it
[10:28:32] <NCommander> xlefay++
[10:28:32] <SlimShady> karma - xlefay: 46
[10:28:42] <xlefay> Believe the proper term is escrow?
[10:28:48] * arti nods
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[10:29:10] <prospectacle> xlefay, for the processing, sure. I meant someone would have to be "The one asking for the money". So it would have ot be someone we trusted
[10:29:19] <prospectacle> xlefay, so probably someone on staff, but not necessarily.
[10:29:44] <prospectacle> xlefay, I agree a third-party service designed for this kind of thing would be best for the hosting of the competition and holding of the money.
[10:29:45] <xlefay> Well, I know for a fact, there is at least one service who specializes in this (it's a recent start up iirc); who does have the github intergration and all
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[10:30:02] <arti> that's cool
[10:30:02] <prospectacle> is it bigleap?
[10:30:02] <xlefay> not sure if we can trust them though, but it'd be a good place to start
[10:30:09] <xlefay> not sure, link?
[10:30:12] <prospectacle> I had a look at them but couldn't find any successful competitions, yet
[10:30:21] <prospectacle> http://www.bigleap.org
[10:30:29] <prospectacle> But there are probably others, who have a track record already.
[10:30:34] <arti> "...aaaan it's gone"
[10:30:38] <prospectacle> But again, any crowdfunding site could probably do it.
[10:30:45] <prospectacle> arti, yes exactly. Got to avoid that
[10:30:54] <xlefay> nope
[10:30:56] <xlefay> that's not it
[10:31:04] <arti> "well who wants to pony up for dough to solve the disappearing money bug?"
[10:31:14] <xlefay> prospectacle, but preferably one with github integration, then you'll be sure someone is who he says he is
[10:31:49] <prospectacle> xlefay, you mean someone entering code into the comp, or someone hosting the comp?
[10:32:32] <xlefay> Hosting the comp, e.g. the party who also holds on to the money for a limited time
[10:33:05] <xlefay> e.g. if the one who made the code commits it, it gets approved for #comp, then the committer logs into (via github) said site, links to the commit & the OK from the one who merged it
[10:33:37] <xlefay> you'll know, it's really that person. Of course, the tricky thing is knowing when a feature is actually implemented as the specifications for said feature is defined
[10:33:58] <arti> as with any project set deliverables
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[10:34:31] <arti> need a fair review monkey
[10:34:35] <xlefay> Yes and what if two programmers have pledged to do it? What are the rules then?
[10:34:46] <prospectacle> xlefay, yes true. I guess you can use links both ways as proof. If I committed code and wrote in it "I'm account 'prospectacle'" and then on SN I wrote in my journal "This is my entry [link]", you know it's me
[10:34:51] <arti> two codez enter, one codez leave
[10:35:03] <prospectacle> xlefay, for the host, assuming it were someone on staff, they could link to the comp from the main page.
[10:35:07] <xlefay> I'd say, code quality and such has to be weighted
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[10:35:20] <prospectacle> xlefay, judging, of course would be an issue in itself. You'd need very clear guidelines for what counts as a win.
[10:35:43] <prospectacle> e.g. submit date, meets specs, but also you could say the final judgement is at the discretion of the judge.
[10:35:45] <xlefay> prospectacle, the biggest problem with that, that I have is, we're a news site not a financial institution that should be handling these things
[10:36:09] <xlefay> We can hold the competitions sure, but we shouldn't be handling the money
[10:36:29] <xlefay> e.g. this is a community project in itself, I'd say (which makes us avoid the NFP stuff atm)
[10:36:30] <prospectacle> xlefay. That's true. But you don't have to hold the money yourself, it can be on the $crowdfunding_site_name account.
[10:36:58] <prospectacle> xlefay, you can just link to it from here, to prove it's real.
[10:37:21] <xlefay> Ok, let's say we work those things out later, how we would start with implementing these things?
[10:37:38] <prospectacle> xlefay, e.g. if it were you organising it, as amember of the staff, and the main site said "xlefay has started this competition, here's the link" then I'd know it was real, but it's not hte sites comp, as such.
[10:38:18] <xlefay> Then again, we want the entire community to be able to suggest functions, if there are enough backers, there's a clear indication that people care
[10:38:44] <prospectacle> xlefay, I guess you'd need to, in this order 1) identify discrete features that can be made in this way, measured clearly, etc, 2)pick a crowdfunding site, 3) someone trusted on staff creates account on $crowdfuning_site, 4)pick a feature to start a competition
[10:38:54] <xlefay> and the function should exists. If there are a few that pay out a lot, then that's an edge case where the code could potentially be merged but not enabled on SN itself but would be in the repo, I suppose
[10:39:04] <prospectacle> xlefay, you're right, best way to get funding is to hold a vote on what should be used.
[10:39:21] <prospectacle> xlefay, then people will stop and think "Would I kick in five bucks for this prize?" before voting
[10:39:24] <xlefay> Well, I'd say, everyone can create a feature and people can "back that feature"
[10:39:52] <xlefay> People would be putting their money where there mouths are
[10:40:01] <prospectacle> xlefay, that would be great if it's cheap/easy to start new projects on $whatever_site_was_chosen
[10:40:02] <xlefay> almost literaly ;)
[10:40:17] <prospectacle> xlefay, that would be the ideal, people can vote with their money, and the prizes are whatever they are.
[10:40:32] <xlefay> I'd say, the major thing would be to keep features small initially
[10:40:36] <prospectacle> xlefay, but whether that specific model is achievable with an existing third-party site is another question
[10:40:39] <xlefay> e.g. "RSS Feed, include summary"
[10:41:15] <xlefay> Yea
[10:41:17] <prospectacle> xlefay, you don't want to scare people away, but you also don't want a hundred successful entries that were submitted at almost exactly the same time.
[10:41:26] <arti> heh
[10:41:27] <prospectacle> so a bit of a challenge might be a benefit
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[10:42:01] <prospectacle> maybe for the easy ones the prize could be "a story saying how great you are on the main page", and no money.
[10:42:26] <prospectacle> or something
[10:42:33] <xlefay> I don't personally think that would be benefitial to anyone
[10:42:42] <prospectacle> no, fair enough.
[10:42:44] <xlefay> e.g. you pick it up because you can allocate time and in turn, you get some money
[10:42:51] <prospectacle> Hard to think of a good prize that's not money
[10:43:08] <prospectacle> xlefay, yes, money is a good prize, and fairly represents what people put into it (time)
[10:43:18] <xlefay> Exactly, it's the proper way to do it
[10:43:43] <arti> whelp solved the duplicate issue, it was a bug in my table code. bleh. i was troubleshooting the insert logic
[10:44:04] <prospectacle> here we go... http://en.wikipedia.org
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[10:45:30] <prospectacle> ah ha
[10:45:30] <prospectacle> https://www.bountysource.com
[10:45:42] <TME520> Good morning
[10:45:53] <xlefay> Yes, prospectacle, bountysource!
[10:45:54] <xlefay> That's it
[10:46:20] <xlefay> Good UGT, how are you this fine morning TME520? :)
[10:46:53] <prospectacle> hi tme520
[10:49:37] <TME520> I'm a bit dead, went to bed way too late
[10:49:54] <TME520> Plus I had wine and quite a lot of food
[10:50:13] <prospectacle> well you've convinced me TME520
[10:50:18] * prospectacle goes to get some wine
[10:50:24] <TME520> I will do my best to work at work, but can't guarantee anything.
[10:50:49] <prospectacle> xlefay, looks like bountysource does exactly this. from their FAQ:
[10:50:52] * TME520 prefers white wine over red wine
[10:50:58] <prospectacle> ..3 - Developers create solutions and claim the bounty on Bountysource.
[10:51:09] <prospectacle> 4 - Backers can accept or reject the claim
[10:51:13] <TME520> By the way : I just signed up on BountySource
[10:51:20] <prospectacle> 5 - If accepted, Bountysource pays the bounty to the developer.
[10:51:35] <xlefay> prospectacle, yeah, bountysource is the one I was referring to, although it isn't as new as I thought it seems
[10:51:39] <prospectacle> tme520, cool, what's your project (or are you SN staff?)
[10:51:47] <TME520> I'm a sysadmin
[10:53:26] <prospectacle> any good info about their trustworthiness? I guess, as xlefay says, we could start small
[10:53:57] <xlefay> Well they list Mozilla as a top backer.. guess we could just send an e-mail to Mozilla
[10:54:56] <prospectacle> good idea
[10:55:06] <TME520> Should we create a bounty "Fix Windows" ?
[10:55:16] <crutchy> tme520: i prefer the top shelf $2.50 bottles of red from aldi :-P
[10:55:31] <crutchy> nobody would show up for said bounty
[10:55:45] <TME520> crutchy: blerg
[10:55:48] <xlefay> crutchy, I bet Linus would
[10:55:57] <arti> aldi
[10:55:59] <xlefay> "I ALREADY DID" well.. sorta ;)
[10:56:00] <crutchy> fix windows? he would offer linux
[10:56:14] <prospectacle> TME520, I reckon it could be done. reactos would do it for a couple of million
[10:56:23] <prospectacle> if they felt there was a race on
[10:56:40] <arti> oh but there is
[10:57:41] <prospectacle> I suppose if windows isn't fixed soon we might have to switch to os/2
[10:57:51] <crutchy> we?
[10:58:12] <prospectacle> yeah, all us windows users who don't want to shell out for the extra hardware needed to run os/2 properly
[10:58:12] <crutchy> oh you mean gnome3 windows
[10:58:12] <xlefay> https://www.bountysource.com doesn't look very good.
[10:58:38] <prospectacle> yeah
[10:58:53] <xlefay> https://www.bountysource.com hmm guess I could just open a support ticket and see if that was really them and what their experience was.
[10:58:54] <crutchy> does os/2 did run big iron?
[10:59:05] <xlefay> err, send them an e-mail
[10:59:21] <crutchy> it's a bit of a speciality os i thought... not really comparable to windows
[10:59:33] <arti> oh yes
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[11:00:11] <crutchy> wholly carp
[11:00:20] <crutchy> why is everyone showing up in some shade of blue
[11:00:23] <crutchy> :-P
[11:00:29] <crutchy> hi brylarke
[11:00:30] <arti> monitor cord loose?
[11:00:40] * crutchy checks eyeballs
[11:00:50] <prospectacle> crutchy, read the history some time, it's fascinating, there was a good ars technica article in some depth about it.
[11:01:02] <crutchy> about os/2?
[11:01:24] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah. http://arstechnica.com
[11:01:46] <crutchy> i sorta know the history between ms and ibm
[11:01:50] <arti> prospectacle: i'm reading that right now
[11:01:53] <arti> lol
[11:01:57] <crutchy> yeah i'll have a read
[11:01:58] <prospectacle> it basically encapsulates the ruthless rise of windows and has many lessons for this new os-competition era (i.e. phones)
[11:02:10] <prospectacle> arti, great minds and all that
[11:02:21] <crutchy> oh yeah i've read a lot of that
[11:02:26] <xlefay> prospectacle, http://niczsoft.com think bountysource is good from what I've been reading so far
[11:03:08] <crutchy> ever seen video of the bill gates deposition?
[11:03:10] <prospectacle> xlefay, yes they have lots of apparent bounties at least, so we can check out those projects by other means and see if they're read
[11:03:48] <xlefay> Yeah, I think some more information about bountysource is needed, I'll float the idea to staff and see what they think
[11:04:23] <prospectacle> great. I'll see if there are similar sites with more proven history
[11:04:37] <xlefay> Great, thank you :)
[11:05:12] <crutchy> if you got a spare um like 12 hours or so check out https://www.youtube.com (parts 1 thru 12)
[11:05:55] <prospectacle> crutchy, thanks I'll bookmark it
[11:06:14] <crutchy> groklaw was awesome for all that sort of stuff too
[11:06:25] <crutchy> haven't been there for a while though
[11:06:30] <crutchy> since the sco stuff settled down
[11:07:31] <crutchy> one thing that i only found out relatively recent about microsoft's history though was about bill gates' mom's role in the startup
[11:07:39] <crutchy> her connection with ibm
[11:08:07] <prospectacle> crutchy, what connection was that?
[11:08:21] <crutchy> bill's mom fixed him up with ibm
[11:09:02] <crutchy> she worked for something (can't remember) but her connections got him in the door
[11:09:26] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[11:10:03] <crutchy> "Beyond the Seattle area, Gates was appointed to the board of directors of the national United Way in 1980, becoming the first woman to lead it in 1983. Her tenure on the national board's executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time."
[11:10:45] <prospectacle> interesting
[11:10:54] <crutchy> yeah
[11:11:05] <crutchy> bit of a different aspect of the story
[11:11:25] <prospectacle> Check this out: https://isios7jailbrokenyet.com someone raised $10k to get an open source jailbreak of os7
[11:11:35] <prospectacle> so far unclaimed, so, get to work everybody
[11:11:59] <crutchy> $10357
[11:12:20] <crutchy> i kinda find it hard to believe that anyone will get that money
[11:12:23] <crutchy> but i dunno
[11:12:57] <crutchy> there are plenty of dupes on the net, but would a collective of dupes hand over 10 grand to jailbrak their iphone?
[11:13:15] <arti> with all that money they save buying apps :P
[11:13:27] <arti> not -_-
[11:13:31] * crutchy must be getting old
[11:13:42] <arti> i'd be worried if you were getting younger
[11:13:47] <crutchy> lol
[11:14:12] <crutchy> reminds me of the time machine episode of bing bang theory
[11:14:14] <crutchy> *hides*
[11:14:24] <crutchy> yes i have watched some of that garbage
[11:14:39] * arti doesn't mind that show
[11:14:44] <arti> i don't watch much tv though
[11:14:48] <crutchy> same here
[11:15:04] <arti> i'd like to game more, but projects and other interests
[11:15:19] <crutchy> hands up who watches big bang theory just for penny?
[11:15:27] <crutchy> big_bang_penny++
[11:15:27] <SlimShady> karma - big_bang_penny: 1
[11:16:20] * crutchy prefers a slightly more interactive television
[11:16:33] * arti imagines 90s video based games
[11:16:44] <arti> FMV! /totally
[11:16:45] <crutchy> wizard of wor
[11:16:48] <xlefay> rofl crutchy ;)
[11:17:22] <crutchy> i remember one for the amiga that was awesome too but can't remember the name
[11:17:33] <crutchy> it was about shooting lines into the sky
[11:17:41] <crutchy> to break things or somethiun
[11:17:52] <crutchy> it was like an aiming game
[11:17:55] <crutchy> or some shit
[11:18:12] <crutchy> b&w
[11:19:24] <crutchy> aww turrican 2
[11:19:30] <crutchy> that was cool
[11:20:03] <arti> hmm i think my favorite game is robotron 2084
[11:20:13] <arti> need an arcade machine for that
[11:20:22] * arti remembers his elbows and shoulders hurting
[11:20:32] <crutchy> watches http://www.youtube.com just for music :-P
[11:20:44] * crutchy goes back to childhood
[11:22:30] <arti> that's awesome
[11:25:54] <crutchy> amiga had shit hot graphics
[11:26:10] <crutchy> for its time
[11:26:22] <Brylarke> I don't get the amiga
[11:26:50] <crutchy> rick dangerous was another cool amiga game i used to play as a kid
[11:27:37] <arti> the intro is win
[11:27:54] <crutchy> yeah ok if i keep youtubing amiga stuff i'll never get out into the real world again
[11:28:16] <arti> oh it's raining!
[11:28:55] <arti> anyway, time to call it, catch you all later
[11:29:20] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[11:30:46] <crutchy> lmao! "no idea magazine"
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[11:48:22] <TME520> Tha AMIGA used to kick ass, no doubt.
[11:50:33] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Apple Takes Cue From Samsung - a Bigger iPhone - http://sylnt.us - if-Apple-can-claim-rounded-corners,-can-Samsung-claim-that-size
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[11:54:26] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[11:54:41] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[11:59:55] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[12:00:24] <crutchy> "it's scientifically known that bass improves the taste of cheeses" :-D
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[12:03:25] <MrBluze> bass?
[12:03:29] <MrBluze> the fish?
[12:03:40] <MrBluze> wine improves the taste of cheeses
[12:03:42] <MrBluze> lots of it
[12:03:44] <MrBluze> and bacon
[12:03:51] <MrBluze> crutchy: i bought some more domains today
[12:04:38] <MrBluze> hello Konomi
[12:09:51] <crutchy> cool
[12:10:07] <MrBluze> well,
[12:10:13] <MrBluze> salientnoise.net .com and .org
[12:10:18] <MrBluze> and salientnews.org and .net
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[12:50:56] <Konomi> hey MrBluze ~
[12:51:01] <MrBluze> hey Konomi
[12:52:42] <crutchy> hi konomi
[12:52:48] <Konomi> hey
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[13:21:42] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - NHTSA Proposal Requires All Vehicles Have Rear-View Cameras - http://sylnt.us - so-drivers-will-look-at-a-screen-and-not-where-they-are-going || Living Battery Discovered in North Sea - http://sylnt.us - wave-power-will-be-jealous
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[14:35:51] <weeds> Good morning
[14:37:26] <xlefay> Good mroning!
[14:37:28] <xlefay> Morning*
[14:38:50] <weeds> close enough :) raining here... how about you?
[14:39:09] <xlefay> It's pretty sunny, how's you?
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[14:40:12] <weeds> hoping I don't have as many problems today and can get some dev done
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[14:41:43] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - A Pressing Question: Why Did You Lurk? - http://sylnt.us - understanding-the-community
[14:41:55] <xlefay> I see ;]
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[15:20:44] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, welcome to IRC
[15:21:00] * NCommander hands him bacon
[15:25:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> Thanks!
[15:25:46] * AndyTheAbsurd noms bacon
[15:26:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> So far this morning, I've commented on a story and submitted a link. :)
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[15:35:04] <parabel> AndyTheAbsurd: We were on freenode before we got our own IRC, so the user names are most probably the same as on freenode.
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[15:36:47] <michealpwalls> Hi, everybody! :)
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[15:37:19] <parabel> Hello michealpwalls
[15:37:22] <SoyGuest3058> I think I am the slowest member of Soylent, but I just realized what's wrong with Slashdot's "Beta" :O
[15:37:39] <parabel> Oh! Well, welcome here. Better later than never.
[15:38:07] <SoyGuest3058> That was a short timer LOL
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[15:39:40] <michealpwalls> I really had no opinion, on account that I thought these guys [Dice] were re-implementing Slashcode from scratch..
[15:40:27] <michealpwalls> But jesus, they haven't even *touched* slashcode! They just tacked on 3,000lbs of JQuery, to "modernize" the UI.. But the backend is identicle and in most cases broken because the new UI unlinks many of the backend's features. That's just amateur :O
[15:41:56] <michealpwalls> Although, probably not really amateur. From the outside looking in, sure.. But can we all honestly believe these professional developers got paid to drop the ball? I think that's pretty irrational. I think they're doing exactly what they are told to do :D
[15:42:19] <michealpwalls> Sorry I guess all this is really old news to the Soylent community haha
[15:42:29] <michealpwalls> I'm slow. I never have time anymore due to work an family life :/
[15:42:34] <parabel> Well, you can't expect much from a company that calls its userbase and community "an audience".
[15:43:14] <michealpwalls> Yea, that was really insulting. I could not believe until I read it myself that they continue to, over and over refer to the ./ members as some sort of "audience" (As if they created all the stories and comments *for* the audience.. Or something)
[15:43:16] <michealpwalls> :/
[15:43:59] <parabel> They got it all wrong. It is the community that decides whether they want to stick around or leave.
[15:44:32] <NCommander> michealpwalls, its actually worse than that
[15:44:39] <michealpwalls> Indeed. I must admit, many "stories" I merely skim through... *if* I get to the end. I read the cited articles and then move right into the comments, were the real goods are. Sometimes the comments make me laugh so hard I disturb my office LOL!
[15:44:46] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I've gotten pretty good at divining behavior on what slash is doing by looking on the frontend
[15:45:02] <NCommander> michealpwalls, you *really* *really* don't want to know the gory details of beta
[15:45:11] <michealpwalls> haha I probably don't!
[15:45:32] <michealpwalls> As a developer I had some morbid curiousity haha
[15:45:50] <NCommander> michealpwalls, do you know perl? :-)
[15:46:07] <michealpwalls> Not enough to help, to be frank :P
[15:46:11] <michealpwalls> More time than anything
[15:47:01] <michealpwalls> But I had started poking around the slashcode repository last week. It's really interesting. I've never heard of implenting a web app as an apache perl module, but again slashdcode is probably older than I am :P
[15:47:48] <Cyprus> they did that back in the day
[15:47:52] <Cyprus> and by they, i mean him
[15:47:57] <Cyprus> and by back in the day, i mean never
[15:49:22] <michealpwalls> I forgot more about perl than I remember, though haha. I miss the logical symbols! Like PHP's $ to denote *any* variable, PERL's $ denotes a Scalar (single value) variable... @ denotes arrays and etc. Very logical. But yea, if you don't use it frequently it all goes away very fast :/
[15:49:24] <michealpwalls> At least for me
[15:54:35] <michealpwalls> Meh. It's a sign of the times :P
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[16:03:41] <NCommander> OH GOD
[16:03:43] <NCommander> WE BROKE THE SITE
[16:03:50] <NCommander> No wonder registarations stopped
[16:03:54] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:04:05] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[16:04:07] <Cyprus> Days since incident: 0
[16:04:08] <NCommander> What's missing
[16:04:11] <xlefay> ... LOL
[16:04:17] <NCommander> Wow
[16:04:21] <NCommander> That's a fucking fail on our part
[16:04:23] <xlefay> I thought you were only going to remove the checker!
[16:04:40] <Cyprus> I don't see what's missing
[16:04:41] <xlefay> So about that QA process eh? :)
[16:04:51] <NCommander> xlefay, .... I'm going to go flail myself
[16:05:31] <Cyprus> you guys need like one of those stupid live chat things in the corner that ties into irc until you can keep the site up for a week straight =P
[16:05:46] <NCommander> Holy fuck
[16:06:04] <xlefay> NCommander, this was a minor mistake in the grand scheme of things but still, I think it's time we actually set up a proper QA process, and of course, a proper "where to find help"
[16:06:10] <michealpwalls> An easy way for anons to get into IRC from the site would be an alright idea, though, esp. for these kinds of situations ;)
[16:06:24] * NCommander is doing emergency repair work
[16:06:34] <michealpwalls> Wish I had the time to volunteer :/
[16:06:46] <Cyprus> big red button on the bottom, have it announce them when they join "Help Help I've broken and I can't soylent news"
[16:06:54] <michealpwalls> Oh there is
[16:07:02] <michealpwalls> But it's a very subtle "IRC" link, hehe
[16:07:14] <xlefay> Shit, the site finally figured it out: "Hey, wait a minute!! I want a divorce!! ... you're not Clint Eastwood!!"
[16:07:56] <michealpwalls> http://chat.soylentnews.org Whenever errors are thrown, perhaps a link back to that could be included after the error message. "Click here to ask for help on IRC" or whatevs.
[16:08:25] <Cyprus> on the bright side, SSL works now, so we can at least have our passwords not sucked up by the NSA
[16:08:37] <NCommander> what the hell
[16:08:39] <NCommander> Its there
[16:09:04] <NCommander> <input type="text" id="newusernick" name="newusernick" value="" maxlength="[% constants.nick_maxlen %]">
[16:09:04] <NCommander> -<input type="button" value="Check Availability" onclick="createacct_check_nick(this.form); return false;">
[16:09:04] <NCommander> <br>
[16:09:05] <xlefay> Cyprus, even better, due to our security process, the NSA can't even get the nickname you wanted to use in the first place!
[16:09:28] <Cyprus> xlefay: oh?
[16:09:35] <NCommander> GAH
[16:09:36] <NCommander> fuck
[16:09:54] <xlefay> (if you haven't registered, that is); although.. I'm not sure if this is helping NC.. *stops making bad jokes*
[16:10:00] <Cyprus> as ncommander decends into vulgarity 8 ball mode
[16:10:07] <NCommander> fuck fuck fuck
[16:10:12] <xlefay> NCommander, relax buddy; mistakes happen, you can fix it and all's well again
[16:10:40] <michealpwalls> Wouldn't that always return false? :/
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[16:10:58] <michealpwalls> I always write it: return functionName(params);
[16:11:05] <Cyprus> xlefay: ahh i get it now. Not helping =P
[16:11:11] <xlefay> michealpwalls, it calls 'createacct_check_nick'
[16:11:33] <xlefay> Cyprus, I'm terrible at trying to light the mood.. it seems I always do the opposite.
[16:11:38] <Cyprus> lol
[16:11:39] <michealpwalls> It calls it but then it returns false afterwards no? Isn't the desired affect to call the function and return what that function returned?
[16:11:54] <Cyprus> !grab michealpwalls
[16:11:54] <SlimShady> Added quote 80
[16:12:14] <michealpwalls> I'm confused, perhaps it's time for coffee :D
[16:12:16] <Cyprus> I swear I've had that conversation with a guy
[16:12:19] <xlefay> actually, from the looks if it, it just prevents the button from submitting
[16:12:53] <xlefay> e.g. the 'createacct_check_nick' does stuff, and the 'return false;' after it, prevents the check availability button from submitting the form itself. So it makes sense.
[16:13:02] <michealpwalls> Ohh
[16:13:03] <michealpwalls> I see!
[16:13:10] <NCommander> ITS NOT MY FAULT
[16:13:11] <NCommander> YAY
[16:13:14] <Cyprus> lmao
[16:13:14] * NCommander did ack the change but
[16:13:16] <xlefay> rofl
[16:13:19] <michealpwalls> So return false neuters the button and the JS function itself handles the submission
[16:13:34] <xlefay> michealpwalls, the js function itself checks if the nick is already in use, yes
[16:14:05] <Cyprus> ohmergod js in use on the site! blasphemer!
[16:14:05] <michealpwalls> If I turn off JS and submit, the PERL backend still verifies yea?
[16:14:09] <xlefay> That's why it's a nick checker, the other button submits the form
[16:14:22] * Cyprus really wishes there wasn't a crusade against JS
[16:14:23] <xlefay> I would assume so
[16:14:34] <michealpwalls> LOL I suppose so
[16:14:36] <xlefay> Cyprus, agreed; that which is written properly isn't bad
[16:14:56] <Cyprus> i really really miss the comment unrolling
[16:15:14] <NCommander> That is incredibly embarassing
[16:15:21] <michealpwalls> Yea.. See that's fine ^. JS is great if you do it properly (I.E: Make sure the site functions when JS is off, etc.)
[16:15:36] <Cyprus> so you gonna share with the class what happened?
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[16:15:43] <xlefay> You and me both, but I believe there's an userscript for that.. but I don't care to install user scripts.. unless, of course, we start removing JS
[16:15:53] <michealpwalls> But beta slashdot, for example, if JS is disabled you can't even so much as reply to a comment :/
[16:16:09] <NCommander> Cyprus, I deleted part of a line that was needed for the login form to render
[16:16:13] <xlefay> Degrading gracefully isn't hard, at all
[16:16:18] <NCommander> You could actually still sign up if you used the modal interface
[16:16:21] <xlefay> unless your entire web ui depends on it
[16:16:29] <janrinok> hi all
[16:16:30] <michealpwalls> Yea
[16:16:37] <xlefay> janrinok !!
[16:16:45] <xlefay> He's alive everybody!
[16:16:46] <janrinok> xlefay: is it you?
[16:16:56] <xlefay> How could you be sure, if it wasn't?
[16:17:05] <janrinok> true
[16:17:22] <janrinok> I buried the bodies in next door's garden. I solved that problem!
[16:17:24] <xlefay> THEY TOOK ME!!!
[16:17:32] <xlefay> Err.. I mean, how are you?
[16:17:37] <NCommander> shit
[16:17:39] <NCommander> need to flush memcache
[16:17:42] <michealpwalls> LOL that brings me to my "Turing Test for Skype" idea!
[16:17:58] <xlefay> janrinok, makes sense, what address is that, exactly?
[16:18:12] <janrinok> silly question time - NCommander wants his story to be on top. How do I post more stories below - simply by reshuffling the display times?
[16:18:33] <Cyprus> FLASH!!!! aaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[16:18:38] <xlefay> no clue, there's probably a silly solution for that
[16:18:38] <janrinok> next door to mine silly!
[16:18:50] <Cyprus> that joke aside, probably
[16:18:53] <xlefay> Which is where again?
[16:18:58] <Blackmoore> and look at you - you fertilized thier garden - what a good neighbor!
[16:19:03] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org
[16:19:04] <NCommander> Fixed
[16:19:08] <xlefay> !grab Blackmoore
[16:19:08] <SlimShady> Added quote 81
[16:19:09] <xlefay> rofl!
[16:19:15] <NCommander> janrinok, stand by
[16:19:21] <NCommander> janrinok, I'm just fixing an idiot error on the upgrade
[16:19:23] <janrinok> exactly, I hope their dog doesn't get suspicious and start looking for bones....
[16:19:47] <Cyprus> that's when you call the cops and say you saw something suspicious next door
[16:20:13] <xlefay> Exactly, blame the neighbors, how neighborly of you!
[16:20:29] <janrinok> no, that's too obvious. I'll wait until I've seen them gardening, dirty spades, no alibi - then I call the cops.
[16:20:51] <NCommander> Fixed.
[16:20:52] <NCommander> The appropriate parties have been flogged, tarred, and feathered.
[16:20:52] <NCommander> Now if you will excuse me, I have to go remove this tar and feathers, and find some pain killers.
[16:20:56] <NCommander> ^- xlefay my reply
[16:21:06] <michealpwalls> lol
[16:21:11] <xlefay> NCommander, so all's good now ;-)
[16:21:26] <NCommander> xlefay, do you want to generate a new user to see if I actually fixed it
[16:21:31] <xlefay> Already on it
[16:21:41] <janrinok> NCommander: you appear to be joining the editor team - in fact, you are the editor team.
[16:21:52] <NCommander> I am?
[16:21:53] <xlefay> Also, NCommander, you'll have to backport that fix to dev
[16:21:53] <NCommander> fuck
[16:22:00] <NCommander> xlefay, its in git, I just need to deploy it there
[16:22:07] * NCommander litterially fired from the hip on this one
[16:22:15] <michealpwalls> An unexpected error has occurred.
[16:22:18] <Cyprus> bang bang
[16:22:30] <janrinok> none of my errors are ever expected
[16:22:35] <Cyprus> Coowwwwwboyyyyyyyyy....
[16:22:37] <xlefay> User nickissueremvalidate created
[16:22:38] <Blackmoore> why would they be?
[16:22:41] <xlefay> Seems to be working
[16:22:46] <michealpwalls> "Chances are, you're behind a firewall or proxy, or clicked the Back button to accidentally reuse a form. Please try again. If the problem persists, and all other options have been tried, contact the site administrator." -- It might have partially registered my other mail when I tried the first time? Meh.
[16:22:48] <NCommander> !check-uid
[16:22:57] <NCommander> michealpwalls, thats a known bug :-/
[16:23:00] <xlefay> !current-uid
[16:23:00] <SlimShady> The current maximum UID is 4007, owned by cybernot
[16:23:41] <xlefay> !current-uid
[16:23:44] <SlimShady> The current maximum UID is 4009, owned by jcross
[16:23:47] <xlefay> aah, already a new one! :)
[16:24:03] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm debating if I should flog myself publicly
[16:24:09] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:24:12] <janrinok> can I watch?
[16:24:19] <xlefay> Mistakes a human, flogging publicly, not so much :P
[16:24:32] <xlefay> but fairly sure, the majority would appreciate a Youtube video :P
[16:24:36] <xlefay> The majority, being janrinok
[16:24:39] <michealpwalls> But honestly, NCommander.. The error messages, like the one I just recieved. How difficult would it be to append something to all of them?
[16:24:52] <xlefay> Honestly, nah. It's a mistake, it's all good
[16:24:55] <janrinok> I've got my spade ready should he overdo it.
[16:25:04] <NCommander> xlefay, more to run an article that registration was broken and it was fixed
[16:25:11] <michealpwalls> Or are they all generated in different ways?
[16:25:27] <xlefay> Yet another article about SN after all those yesterday, not sure if we're really that interested in that?
[16:25:45] <Cyprus> they usually get generated when a mommy error and a daddy error love each other very much
[16:26:06] <xlefay> Those yesterday were nice and informative, an article about a registration error.. nah, not so much; maybe create a bug on github & close it in case people are looking for it
[16:26:19] <Cyprus> agree on not posting a story
[16:26:35] <Blackmoore> More like mommy error decideds to sleep with plumber error because daddy error is a deadbeat
[16:27:03] <Cyprus> at most i'd have a 1 line message at the top where the stupid band of zebras shit was, "Hey registrations work now in case you needed to"
[16:27:11] <xlefay> ugh low bandwidth is utterly ugly.. but it might benefit of not showing an image logo instead just plain text?
[16:27:25] <xlefay> Cyprus, I second that one, that would be more useful than an article :)
[16:27:55] * xlefay sighs
[16:28:02] <xlefay> http logins override https logins but not the otherway around
[16:28:17] <NCommander> michealpwalls, reskeys (what generated that error) is a truly terrorifying bit of code none of us really understand
[16:28:29] <michealpwalls> Wait, I found a solution
[16:28:34] <Cyprus> reskeys?
[16:28:49] <michealpwalls> If you wanted to do it. The error message is wrapped in an element with the id "error_message". You can use CSS to add content to that id :after the existing content. "if the site isn't working, click here to join an IRC discussion".
[16:29:01] <xlefay> ^^^^
[16:29:05] <michealpwalls> Using: #error_message:after{ content: 'blargp'; }
[16:29:24] <xlefay> iirc, that's css3, that ':after' isn't it?
[16:29:29] * xlefay waits for the css-nazis to show up
[16:29:34] <michealpwalls> Should slice in like a surgeon, without modifying and code.
[16:29:34] <Cyprus> nothing says horrible hack like css3 paste ins
[16:29:44] <michealpwalls> Yes, that's CSS and I know, you shouldn't mix style and content..
[16:29:48] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I highly recommend you look at our stylesheets, and tell me that touching our CSS is a good idea
[16:29:50] <NCommander> I'll wait :-)
[16:29:54] <Cyprus> rofl
[16:30:20] <NCommander> I'm normally against redesigned
[16:30:22] <michealpwalls> hehe NCommander. You can take advantage of CSS though... The 'cascading' part of CSS means, if you include a sheet *after* all others, it takes priority...
[16:30:26] <Cyprus> you don't want an error message that requires modern browser support, then how will nc ever see it on his hurd lynx screen?
[16:30:30] <xlefay> I would probably remove the "SoylentNews is people" text and leave it empty unless, there's an error, then show it there
[16:30:36] <NCommander> michealpwalls, Slashcode fond away to remove the cascading bit from CSS
[16:30:42] <NCommander> *found
[16:31:08] <Cyprus> why use templates when you can set each line individually
[16:31:26] <NCommander> I wish they would have instead found a way to remove the ugliness from perl, but obviously they're geniuses that none of us can ever hope to meet
[16:31:27] <Cyprus> on our next segment: how to make developers cry
[16:31:30] <xlefay> *or* better yet, NCommander, replace that text with a "Please report bugs <a...>here</a>"
[16:31:37] <NCommander> xlefay, sold.
[16:31:43] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm not touching the templates again today
[16:31:47] <NCommander> I already had my idiot moment
[16:31:52] <michealpwalls> And you can also take priority by being very specific.. So: p { font-weight: bold; } is not specific. That tags *all* paragraph elements. But p.className { } is *more* specific and so a browser will override the style in p with the specific style from p.className... IDs are the second highest priority, with embedded styles (<p style="font-weight: normal;">) being the highest, overriding
[16:31:52] <michealpwalls> everything.
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[16:32:15] <NCommander> michealpwalls, like I said, I recommend you take a look at our stylesheets :-)
[16:32:20] <xlefay> don't worry, I'll do it after dinner, but I'll send it via github
[16:32:21] <michealpwalls> hehe k, sorry :P
[16:32:28] <Bytram> michealpwalls: except for the !important which is all over the place :/
[16:32:31] <xlefay> Did you fix the error on dev though NCommander ?
[16:32:39] <michealpwalls> Ouch :/
[16:33:09] <michealpwalls> Sorry if I'm trivialising, hehe you're right I haven't sat down and actually read the css yet :/
[16:33:10] <xlefay> If I may make the following suggestion, let's rename Slashcode to "Developer hell"
[16:33:27] <xlefay> I think that's rather fitting
[16:33:35] <michealpwalls> LMAO xlefay.. Yea :P
[16:33:35] <Bytram> hmm, I'm sure it was paved with good intentions!
[16:33:52] <xlefay> Bytram, the road to hell generally is, isn't it? :)
[16:33:56] <michealpwalls> It was. But in 2014 to see a web-app implemented as an Apache module plugged directly into your web server is crazy.
[16:34:09] <michealpwalls> I'm not a security expert, still in college, but iunno 'bout that :/
[16:34:37] <xlefay> michealpwalls, oh no, that's fine, if you want developers to become psychopaths and come after you
[16:34:40] <Cyprus> oh that's not that scary
[16:34:46] <Cyprus> the scary part is it's apache 1.3
[16:34:51] <michealpwalls> LMAO
[16:34:56] <xlefay> Cyprus, it depends what the hell you're doing with it :P
[16:35:08] <Cyprus> i was just injecting perspective
[16:35:14] <Bytram> NCommander: I'm running into some "interesting" behavior with trying to simultaneously access SN with http and with https...
[16:35:23] <xlefay> Bytram, it makes sense though
[16:35:23] <Bytram> one seems to logout the other?
[16:35:26] <NCommander> Bytram, known, by design
[16:35:34] <NCommander> Bytram, it isn't. Cookies only stay on HTTPS or HTTP
[16:35:40] <xlefay> It's because of our SSL terminator
[16:35:48] <NCommander> xlefay, does that with mod_ssl too :-)
[16:36:00] <NCommander> xlefay, you can reproduce this behavior on the other site
[16:36:01] <xlefay> NCommander, actually, signing on with https, doesn't sign you on with http, but the other way around does
[16:36:01] <Bytram> umm, in english please?
[16:36:09] <NCommander> Bytram, slash is crack
[16:36:15] <Bytram> no kidding
[16:36:26] <NCommander> Bytram, xlefay can explain better
[16:36:27] <xlefay> e.g. http takes precedence over https, by slash's logic. Ain't that a pretty picture
[16:36:27] * NCommander runs
[16:36:33] <michealpwalls> Hrmm..
[16:36:34] <Cyprus> it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, but leaves you empty, and is addicting?
[16:36:36] <michealpwalls> That's crazy!
[16:36:37] <NCommander> xlefay, I thought I ripped all the bigs of that logic
[16:36:41] <michealpwalls> So wait a minute... Wow!
[16:36:45] <michealpwalls> That's a XSS nightmare!
[16:36:49] <NCommander> michealpwalls, that's pretty standard actually
[16:36:54] <michealpwalls> Really
[16:36:54] <NCommander> michealpwalls, we ripped a ton of braindead out of slash
[16:36:56] <michealpwalls> ?
[16:36:58] <NCommander> michealpwalls, for slash
[16:36:59] <NCommander> that is
[16:37:05] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm not sure if it's actually the browser doing that though.
[16:37:05] <michealpwalls> Oh haha
[16:37:14] <NCommander> sorry, my normal got redefined back during altslashdot
[16:37:15] <michealpwalls> You had me thinking there... LOL
[16:37:18] <Cyprus> heh XSS, you're way down the list of scary at the momement
[16:37:30] <NCommander> xlefay, "joy"
[16:37:30] <michealpwalls> LOL Cyprus
[16:37:32] <xlefay> It may be some mechanism that protects for some reason; but meh, it isn't important enough of an issue
[16:37:37] <NCommander> xlefay, I though we exercised out all the bugs on this
[16:37:38] <NCommander> *sigh*
[16:38:03] <michealpwalls> No it's not an important issue at Soylent IMHO. There's no eCommerce to stress over such bugs :/
[16:38:03] <Bytram> so wait a minute... if I login w/ https, it logs me out of http? AND vice versa?
[16:38:03] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I need to post what the admin panel looked like for editors at private alpha at some point
[16:38:07] <Cyprus> like i said, Apache 1.3, XSS is like number 23 on that list of scary
[16:38:09] <NCommander> Bytram, ding
[16:38:15] <xlefay> I don't consider this a bug though, it will only happen in edge cases, where you sign in as another use via http for instance
[16:38:20] <NCommander> Cyprus, we've got that shit apparmored tighter than a chastity belt
[16:38:23] <Blackmoore> *NC now now. you know damn well that outside of "hello world" software will always have some bugs in it
[16:38:27] <xlefay> Bytram, no
[16:38:32] <Bytram> !grab NCommander
[16:38:32] <SlimShady> Added quote 82
[16:38:35] <NCommander> Blackmoore, ... I've seen a hello world WITH bugs.
[16:38:43] <Cyprus> i didn't say it wasn't properly moderated
[16:38:45] <xlefay> If you sign in via HTTPS, you're signed in on HTTPS,; if you sign in at HTTP you're signed in both at HTTP & HTTPS
[16:38:45] * Bytram has too
[16:38:49] <michealpwalls> I never figured out AppArmor. I always got better mileage with SELinux / Contexts
[16:38:50] <xlefay> least.. that was in my case
[16:39:00] <michealpwalls> Firefox under SELinux (flex)
[16:39:03] <NCommander> michealpwalls, you won't like our backend
[16:39:03] <Cyprus> but you don't need access to the rest of the system to propogate
[16:39:05] <Blackmoore> @nc -- i wrote hello world with bug *headdesk*
[16:39:12] <xlefay> So, I don't consider that a serious enough issue Bytram
[16:39:20] <NCommander> michealpwalls, we're fully Ubuntu, AppArmored, and have converted our sysadmins from the evil that is centos
[16:39:23] <michealpwalls> I was reading your post about the backend overhauls, NCommander... LOL +respect is all I can say :)
[16:39:36] * xlefay hides
[16:39:39] <michealpwalls> I would have shot myself
[16:39:40] <michealpwalls> LOL
[16:39:49] <NCommander> michealpwalls, slash@lithium:~/src/slashcode$ host lithium
[16:39:49] <NCommander> lithium.li694-22 has IPv6 address 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe6e:d0a3
[16:39:49] <NCommander> slash@lithium:~/src/slashcode$ host hydrogen
[16:39:49] <NCommander> hydrogen.li694-22 has IPv6 address 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe6e:1ded
[16:39:55] <NCommander> michealpwalls, ^- just proving
[16:39:56] <xlefay> FUCK YES! IPV6
[16:40:09] <NCommander> (hydrogen is the web server)
[16:40:10] <xlefay> Oh, wait, I drooled over us doing that already. *stops*
[16:40:13] <michealpwalls> Man IPv6 is such a white elephant (Is that the right term?)
[16:40:18] <NCommander> michealpwalls, close enough
[16:40:20] <michealpwalls> Fucking vaporware (rofl)
[16:40:22] <Bytram> so, I login (insecurely) with http, but then I can securely access the rest of the site (without logging on again) using https?
[16:40:22] <Blackmoore> @NC - that's why I'm not even looking at the code. sure i can make sense of it. but i don't want to see what would happen if i started doing anything with it
[16:40:23] <Cyprus> white elephant?
[16:40:28] <Cyprus> ummm... no it isnt
[16:40:49] <NCommander> michealpwalls, mechianicjay was AFK when xlefay and I went mad
[16:40:50] <xlefay> Bytram, that's what it did for me, but not the other way around, e.g. signing in via https you don't get signed in via http, which makes sense somewhat
[16:40:55] <NCommander> His response was pretty close to "WTF"
[16:40:59] <Cyprus> anyone who thinks IPv6 isn't happening, or that IPv4 will run much longer, doesn't understand the internet infrastructure
[16:41:03] <NCommander> I'm still waiting for robind to see what we did to the backend
[16:41:07] <NCommander> So I can catch his brain
[16:41:09] <michealpwalls> I don't think I've ever connected to anything via IPv6 and I have been in full support since around 2000. 14 years on, where is it? :P
[16:41:15] <xlefay> NCommander, I emailed robin btw eh, if you hadn't read already
[16:41:20] <michealpwalls> Cyprus: LOL I understand it pretty well. It's basic maths :P
[16:41:28] <Cyprus> so you don't use google?
[16:41:29] <xlefay> he was on vacation & is kinda busy @ work, he hopes to join back next month
[16:41:30] <NCommander> xlefay, I saw that, though I'm pretty sure you didn't tell him we ripped out the legacy IP stack
[16:41:38] <xlefay> yea
[16:41:48] <xlefay> I didn't, I want to see him drool on IRC not via e-mail.
[16:42:16] <xlefay> IPv6 only backend is pretty darn awesome; means we'll have less fuzz later on ;)
[16:42:17] <Bytram> xlefay: too wierd. So, I should either stick with just http or with just https.
[16:42:23] * Bytram goes to rewrite a scraping scrip
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[16:42:32] <Bytram> s/scrip/script/
[16:42:32] <SedBot> <Bytram> goes to rewrite a scraping script
[16:42:38] <xlefay> Bytram, not that weird.. just stick to https, that's why we did all that work in the first place!
[16:42:50] <michealpwalls> I wrote a screen scraper in Java for work, but it's mine LOL
[16:42:54] <xlefay> and with we, I mean, mostly NC. All I did was ensure nginx was properly running which wasn't much of a challenge to begin with
[16:44:14] <Bytram> is there a reason we don't automagically convert http sessions to https? or are we waiting a bit to see if any bugs fall out? Or something else I'm missing?
[16:44:20] <michealpwalls> You guys will all chase me away with pitchforks but I've got to say it.. What about slowly re-implementing Slashcode in a modern environment? (I'm not making any suggestions here on what that environment should be..)
[16:44:39] <michealpwalls> :/
[16:44:46] <Cyprus> its cool, everyone says it
[16:44:53] <Cyprus> scope is the problem
[16:45:07] <michealpwalls> Yea of course, the scope would make an army of Indian programmers run
[16:45:12] <michealpwalls> But I think it's inevitable..
[16:45:20] <michealpwalls> The sooner it begins the sooner it will be done, yea? :)
[16:45:26] <Bytram> saying is much easier than doing, sadly. Would probably be best to have a solid test harness before even thinking of attempting it.
[16:45:41] <Cyprus> i think thats eventually the plan
[16:45:50] <Cyprus> right now is getting up and running and needs met
[16:45:56] <michealpwalls> That's my largest motivating factor.. In 2014 findign passionate PERL volunteers isn't as easy as it was when Slashcode began. Add 5 years and it will be harder...
[16:46:05] <michealpwalls> *another* 5 years... Yea, you get the point. PERL isn't taught in College :/
[16:46:30] <michealpwalls> At least, not in mine. They teach Python, Java, C, C++, C#, PHP, ASP.NET (With C#) and IBM's tools... PERL isn't even mentioned except as a footnote.
[16:47:32] <Blackmoore> @micheal - but the resources are limited. as you pointed out - you would practicallly need an army, and /or time to get it done.
[16:48:06] <michealpwalls> mmm, indeed :/
[16:48:28] <Blackmoore> and I don't think that NC has found a awy to replicate himself
[16:48:56] <Bytram> first step would be to refactor and remove any side-effect dependency stuff; then slowly implement subfunctions in other language, and slowly refactor the whole site over... and have boat loads of fun trying to debug in two languages at the same time. =)
[16:49:07] <michealpwalls> Don't get me wrong, I'm not the guy saying to ditch it just because it's old. I'm just thinking to the future. If it's hard now to get good help, in ~5 years it may be exponentially harder as the pool of PERL programmers gets smaller and smaller.
[16:49:22] <sirecote> what language would we move to?
[16:49:41] <michealpwalls> Bytram: You can't, though. Slashcode is implemented as an Apache PERL module. The module will be totaly dependent on that version of Apache so on, so forth :/
[16:50:00] <michealpwalls> sirecote: Well that's opinion and up to the community I think. I could only give personal preferences, which isn't useful :P
[16:50:04] <Bytram> oh. joy. not.
[16:51:11] <michealpwalls> At the end of the day, I will be brushing up on PERL and familiarising myself with Slashcode as much as possible to help where I can.. But I dont' have high hopes hehe. PERL is notorious LOL :/
[16:51:21] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Exercise Lowers Depression & Stress After Stroke - http://sylnt.us - up-two-three-four
[16:51:25] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[16:51:27] * Bytram|afk is away: need to get ready for day job...
[16:51:43] <sirecote> yeah i haven't worked in PERL in ages...
[16:53:40] <michealpwalls> What scares me most of PERL is that you can overload and override virtually anything.. For example the + operator.
[16:53:57] <michealpwalls> You can overload it to be something other than addition, for example.
[16:54:13] <michealpwalls> That gives the programmer power but also creates situation where codebases can become virtually unreadable to newcommers...
[16:54:14] <janrinok> bye Bytram|afk
[16:54:38] <sirecote> i shall fork and start working on issues to familiarize myself
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[17:04:24] <NCommander> Huh
[17:04:28] * NCommander just found Slashdot's hit counter
[17:04:38] <NCommander> Turns out they do publish, its just incredibly well hidden
[17:05:42] <poutine--> LOL at NCommander not being able to get unique ips from varnish, you do know it's entirely possible eh, how about spending 10 minutes reading the docs
[17:06:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> disregard slashdot, acquire new SoylentNews.org users.
[17:07:20] <poutine--> why post technical incompetence to the main page of soylentnews?
[17:09:46] <NCommander> poutine--, its perfectly possible. Slash doesn't see the IPs, and we don't log them. Slash hashs all IPs coming in. Can you bother reading my previous post on the subject?
[17:10:10] <poutine--> NCommander, varnish sits between slashcode and clients, the most accurate logs will be out of varnish
[17:10:20] <poutine--> this is not a slashcode issue
[17:10:24] <NCommander> poutine--, right, but I don't want to log IPs to a file
[17:10:29] <poutine--> why not?
[17:10:41] <poutine--> what do you think every single webserver known to man does?
[17:10:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> because then the police can come a-knocking with a warrant for them.
[17:10:49] <NCommander> I'd thought you of all people would prefer that we don't try and track our users agressively.
[17:11:09] <poutine--> I think it's pretty silly not having metrics, whether it's used for profit, resource allocation, whatever
[17:11:27] <Konomi> track me NCommander I've been a naughty girl
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[17:11:32] <Konomi> nograb
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[17:11:59] <mcasadevall> <Konomi> track me NCommander I've been a naughty girl
[17:12:02] <NCommander> !grab mcasadevall
[17:12:02] <SlimShady> Added quote 83
[17:12:05] <Cyprus> xlefay: we really need to fix this nograb crap
[17:12:10] <Konomi> you are evil people ;_;
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[17:12:29] <michealpwalls> Nograb crap?
[17:12:34] <NCommander> Konomi, be careful what you say, you might just be grabbed
[17:12:38] <xlefay> LOL
[17:12:43] <Konomi> it's like everyone grabs me in here
[17:12:45] <NCommander> michealpwalls, !grab puts something on the bots quote database.
[17:12:58] <mattie_p> !quote 0
[17:12:58] <SlimShady> Quote 0 - <MrBluze> dumb question i know
[17:13:00] <Konomi> embarassing
[17:13:07] <mattie_p> !quote NCommander
[17:13:08] <SlimShady> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[17:13:08] <xlefay> Konomi, some here even have 'g+k' aliased! ;)
[17:13:12] <SlimShady> Also in quotes: 7, 53, 82, 83
[17:13:14] <Konomi> shh
[17:13:22] <michealpwalls> Hrmm
[17:13:25] <xlefay> Not me tho, not me.. *whistles on*
[17:13:26] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[17:13:35] <xlefay> janrinok|afk, be careful out there
[17:14:07] <michealpwalls> Oh man! *kicks dirt*
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[17:14:19] <NCommander> RUnning !quote NCommander on staff is fun. The bot lags because I'm so quotable
[17:14:42] <michealpwalls> I just "finished" first little beta and started moving to the next phase (emailed 5 more volunteers here at work..) and someone submits a big request from the first round of testing we did yesterday :(
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[17:15:21] <poutine--> <michealpwalls> What scares me most of PERL is that you can overload and override virtually anything.. For example the + operator.
[17:15:26] <xlefay> michealpwalls, welcome to the real world!
[17:15:31] <poutine--> operator overloading is not new, was not made in perl, and is not limited to perl
[17:15:48] <michealpwalls> Right..
[17:15:50] <Konomi> I like perl
[17:15:54] <Konomi> it's old and crufty looking
[17:15:57] <poutine--> ok so why does that scare you about perl?
[17:16:01] <poutine--> if it's so common
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[17:16:14] <poutine--> it's like saying "What scares me about PHP is goto"
[17:16:24] <Konomi> goto should scare in any language
[17:16:26] <poutine--> you can just jump all over code!
[17:16:38] <michealpwalls> poutine--: It's not "common" outside of PERL, in my experience. Only in PERL do you have people writing obsfuscated code for the sake of it. It's much more prevelant.
[17:16:53] <poutine--> Ever hear of a language called C++?
[17:17:20] <michealpwalls> I don't have time to be pedantic with you, poutine.
[17:17:23] <poutine--> Ruby, Lua, Scala, all have concepts of operator overloading
[17:17:37] <Konomi> michealpwalls: minor dieties don't have the time to be pedantic with him :3
[17:17:50] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:19:07] <poutine--> also you keep saying PERL, 'PERL' is not a thing
[17:19:35] <poutine--> Perl is the name of the language
[17:19:38] <poutine--> rtfm http://perldoc.perl.org
[17:20:06] <poutine--> I bet you're typing this on your MAC and getting all angry about it
[17:20:27] <michealpwalls> That's exactly right, yes.
[17:20:37] <poutine--> well, from official perl docs: You may or may not choose to follow this usage. But never write "PERL", because perl is not an acronym.
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[17:21:13] <poutine--> I will accept your apology in written form
[17:21:18] <Blackmoore> or the Obfucated c comptition?
[17:21:19] <michealpwalls> Practical Extraction and Report Language? Pathologically Ecclectic Rubish Lister?
[17:21:33] <michealpwalls> Weak trolls are weak -1.
[17:21:43] <poutine--> How am I trolling, I quoted official documentation
[17:21:45] <poutine--> just admit you're wrong
[17:22:14] <michealpwalls> You are very distracting :P
[17:22:34] <stdhell> poutine--: RTFM! http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu
[17:22:47] <stdhell> "PERL -- Practical Extraction and Report Language"
[17:23:34] <poutine--> http://en.wikipedia.org
[17:23:41] <poutine--> read the 2nd sentence
[17:23:51] <poutine--> "Perl is not officially an acronym"
[17:23:55] <stdhell> Yes... Cause noone can change a wiki page...
[17:24:06] <poutine--> it links to http://learn.perl.org
[17:24:10] <poutine--> which you _can't_ change
[17:24:43] <poutine--> I understand not liking me because I'm an ass, but there's only so much you can argue about this before you realize you're wrong
[17:24:51] <stdhell> Given that you have NO idea where I got rootaccess, you should be careful about saying so... :-)
[17:24:53] <xlefay> !grab poutine--
[17:24:53] <SlimShady> Added quote 84
[17:25:31] <Cyprus> its funny how the SNR can be so affected by so few
[17:27:11] <FatPhil> The thing to remember was that *everything* was an acronym in those days, if even for a joke. in fact, mostly for a joke.
[17:27:14] <poutine--> Fine, I guess I'll turn off my signal and you guys can deal with the noise until I come back
[17:27:25] <FatPhil> Thanks
[17:27:30] <FatPhil> oh, no change
[17:27:44] <FatPhil> signal couldn't have been that high
[17:27:50] <Titanium> there is a reason everything is acronyms
[17:27:57] <Cyprus> its a signal
[17:27:59] <Titanium> in engineering, everything starts as a codename
[17:28:02] <Cyprus> kind of like mosquitos give off
[17:28:19] <Titanium> then before it is released, it is given a name that sounds nice by marketing
[17:28:23] <FatPhil> Cyprus - more like SETI
[17:28:41] <Titanium> then since people actually have to refer to the thing, and dont want to read 20 words, they turn it into an acronym
[17:28:43] <Cyprus> seti at least could one day be useful
[17:28:56] <Cyprus> all mosquitos do is live off the sustinace of others, and spread disease
[17:29:01] <Titanium> now we are 3 levels removed from the original name so customers have no hope of communicating with engineers
[17:29:13] <michealpwalls> hehe
[17:30:11] <FatPhil> Titanium: in Nokia, we had 3 names for the same piece of hardware. the h/w engineering team's name, the friendly themed internal name, and the eventual public product name. It got very confusing.
[17:30:41] <poutine--> I'm curious exactly how random atmospheric noise would be when sampled by a rtlsdr stick considering its sample rate, size, and errors
[17:30:49] <Titanium> we solved it with documents that linked all the names together
[17:30:55] <Titanium> these never got updated of course
[17:31:20] <Titanium> one product we have has a real internal codename for the asic
[17:31:22] <Titanium> another for the card
[17:31:29] <Titanium> another for the product
[17:31:34] <Titanium> and another that customers use
[17:31:38] <poutine--> asics are sub-par shoes
[17:31:39] <Titanium> and another that is the part number
[17:32:21] <FatPhil> yeah, that kind of thing
[17:32:39] <Titanium> and then the real part number is something totally different
[17:32:47] <Titanium> and there is a generic name peopel call it too
[17:32:58] <Titanium> i wish i was joking
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[17:33:14] <NCommander> I need to go run a script, so I'll be back later
[17:34:12] <Titanium> how long does it take to run a script? or does this imply you are talking irc offline?
[17:35:02] <michealpwalls> 'my code is compiling' lol
[17:36:07] <stdhell> Success!
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[17:52:09] <Blackmoore> *whistling* why no I'm not installing dev applications.. why would i do that?
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[18:02:51] <DrMag> Hey all..
[18:03:00] <DrMag> were usernames on the irc reset at some point?
[18:03:09] <DrMag> I got a message saying that mine wasn't a registered name..
[18:03:42] <xlefay> No, but they do expire because of inactivity
[18:03:51] <DrMag> Ah, ok. That would make sense.
[18:03:57] <DrMag> It's been a while since I've joined in on IRC
[18:04:42] <xlefay> I'm thinking about upping the number, but you're the very first who has mentioned it so, I'll wait a bit to see ;-)
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[18:05:07] <DrMag> fair enough.
[18:05:19] <DrMag> now I just need to remember how I registered to begin with... =)
[18:05:27] <xlefay> /ns register password e-mail
[18:06:05] <DrMag> Thanks... I assume that worked; no message here. I'll check my email.
[18:06:19] <xlefay> doesn't appear to be so, try replace /ns with /msg nickserv
[18:06:32] <xlefay> some clients don't quite respect the servers aliases for nickserv and such.
[18:07:02] <xlefay> That worked. :)
[18:07:07] <DrMag> Ok, great.
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[18:07:40] <DrMag> IRC is still new to me.. hard to remember all the details.
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[18:08:14] <xlefay> just remember to /msg nickserv identify your_password when you connect next time ;)
[18:11:19] <xlefay> You seem to have entered this place shortly after it fell silent ha
[18:12:06] <Blackmoore> happens to me all the time
[18:21:49] <Landon> https://issues.apache.org
[18:21:57] <Landon> this is interesting to us in the context of "hidden votes"
[18:22:04] <Landon> "Voting on something as controversial as this on a public list is just asking for an infinite discussion. "
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[18:23:00] <kobach> sup DrMag xlefay Blackmoore Landon
[18:23:14] <xlefay> sup kobach DrMag Blackmoore Landon
[18:23:48] <kobach> nadda just woke up
[18:23:56] <xlefay> I see, sleep well?
[18:24:08] <kobach> yes other than i had a nightmare my car threw a code for low boost pressure
[18:24:12] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o xlefay] by SN
[18:24:23] <xlefay> rofl, sounds memorable
[18:24:31] <michealpwalls> Gah, IT bested me again today!
[18:24:33] xlefay changed topic of #Soylent to: https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
[18:24:34] <kobach> it was, i see idlenerds is back
[18:25:03] <xlefay> yeah ;]
[18:25:29] <michealpwalls> So... the WiFi is blazing fast and lets me do whatever I want (Torrents, IRC etc.) however... I can't get at the development servers from WiFi... I have to use the Ethernet "wired" network to get the dev servers.. But on that network, it's a content nazi... No IRC, no Torrents etc. (Even with uTorrent encryption enabled LOL)
[18:25:51] <michealpwalls> On Windows right now, so not sure how to bind mIRC to the WiFI network and my dev tools to the ethernet network... Fiddle Sticks!
[18:26:08] <xlefay> hmm, not sure either but fairly sure there are 'apps' for that
[18:26:27] <Cyprus> the irc ip space is seperate right?
[18:26:28] <Teckla> ssh tunnel + socks 5 = ftw
[18:26:47] <Cyprus> a simple route out the wifi would do it
[18:27:13] <xlefay> michealpwalls, or, alternatively, you can pretend to be working and IRC instead! :)
[18:27:21] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:27:24] <kobach> ^
[18:27:25] <michealpwalls> I like xlefay's solution :)
[18:28:09] <DrMag> Can anyone suggest a good resource for learning pyside?
[18:28:20] <xlefay> Of course, long term speaking you might not benefit from doing so :-P
[18:28:28] <kobach> poutine--: shut up
[18:28:30] <kobach> nobody cares
[18:28:40] <kobach> nobody cared on freenode, nobody cares here
[18:28:49] <Landon> well that was random
[18:28:49] <xlefay> kobach, really does like poking leeping bears doesn't he?
[18:28:55] <michealpwalls> I ignored, LOL. Very rare that I do, but meh. No time to feed the trolls :P
[18:29:05] <kobach> grab this
[18:29:08] <xlefay> sleeping*
[18:29:08] <kobach> i have a long titanium stick
[18:29:15] <xlefay> Nah, but good try
[18:29:20] <kobach> rofl
[18:29:26] <kobach> you grab everything anyway
[18:29:38] <kobach> brb, finishing checking my rounds on irc
[18:29:39] <xlefay> Except, for titanium sticks
[18:29:46] <xlefay> they seem rather cold methinks
[18:29:57] <xlefay> err, not saying I would grab other sticks though
[18:30:01] <xlefay> oh dammit, no grab
[18:30:10] <kobach> thats why i use them to cook shit over a fire
[18:30:19] <kobach> little heat transfer
[18:30:23] <xlefay> Let me guess, such as bacon?
[18:30:32] <kobach> i guess that could be done
[18:30:36] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Summary of April 1st Jokes - http://sylnt.us - not-enough-bacon
[18:30:47] <xlefay> Oh god, we're giving you idea's, aren't we?
[18:30:49] <kobach> sticking a metal rod through a slice of bacon over a fire isnt exactly an ideal way to cook it
[18:31:00] <xlefay> !grab kobach
[18:31:00] <SlimShady> Added quote 85
[18:31:01] <kobach> i suppose i could loop it around and give to 2 sides
[18:31:07] <xlefay> Oh.. I probably should have read the rest too
[18:31:10] <kobach> lol
[18:31:16] <kobach> i rest my case
[18:31:23] <kobach> you grab everything
[18:31:24] <xlefay> "not-enough-bacon" a tag line I like, finally!
[18:31:34] <kobach> haha
[18:31:47] <xlefay> kobach, my grabbing practices know of no end!
[18:31:54] <kobach> hes at it again
[18:32:12] <xlefay> The bacon overlords are at it again! Netflix has released two new "Netflix Original" shows in the style of "Benjamin Button." "Sizzling Bacon" stars our current masters and "Rotisserie Chicken" debuts a very hot chick in the lead role. Steamy and mind bending!
[18:32:19] <xlefay> LOL even netflix got baconified?
[18:32:25] <xlefay> .. they must be reading SN
[18:33:01] <kobach> what have i done
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[18:34:41] <xlefay> You know damn well it's your fault, always has been always will be, you baconator!
[18:34:47] <NCommander> kobach, bacon--
[18:34:49] <NCommander> muffin++
[18:34:50] <SlimShady> karma - muffin: 1
[18:34:51] <kobach> rofl
[18:34:57] <kobach> heres one of the anti-bacon league
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[18:35:14] <kobach> oddly enough the anti-bacon people are brightly colored in my client
[18:35:16] <xlefay> .. and so the bacon-muppet war begins
[18:35:18] <michealpwalls> I'm part of the anti-bacon league ;)
[18:35:30] <NCommander> Muffins for Life!
[18:35:33] <michealpwalls> Well not "anti". I consider myself a bacon agnostic ;)
[18:35:38] <kobach> ncommander is bright green, landon is bright magenta
[18:35:40] <michealpwalls> LOL I kill me
[18:35:44] <xlefay> NCommander, s/muffin/muppet/
[18:35:45] <kobach> i can easily spot the dislike
[18:35:50] <kobach> lol
[18:36:08] <xlefay> dammit didn't capitalize!
[18:36:28] <kobach> lol
[18:36:30] <kobach> bacon++
[18:36:30] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 201
[18:36:38] <kobach> baconmuffins++
[18:36:39] <SlimShady> karma - baconmuffins: 1
[18:36:48] <kobach> cant stop me
[18:36:51] <kobach> jowlmuffins+
[18:36:55] <kobach> jowlmuffins++
[18:36:55] <SlimShady> karma - jowlmuffins: 1
[18:37:02] <kobach> you can if you take away a +
[18:37:09] <kobach> lol
[18:37:18] <xlefay> [BaconNews] - A Pressing Question: Why Did You Lurk? - https://soylentnews.org - too-much-muffins'
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[18:37:51] <xlefay> (be sure to reply though!)
[18:40:14] <xlefay> I'm surprised at the number of articles that we already have, in such a short period
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[18:48:18] <carrot> hey are any of you interested in the other soylent?
[18:48:44] <carrot> the nutritional shake thing
[18:49:08] <michealpwalls> No
[18:49:52] <michealpwalls> hehe I mean it's interesting, but no real scientific tests that I am aware of. Just the 1 person's anecdotal evidence ("I've been drinking for x many months and I'm fine!"
[18:50:22] <xlefay> more like "and I'm still alive!"
[18:51:26] <michealpwalls> LOL yea
[18:51:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> carrot: I am, a little. Not enough to actually BUY their product, but I think it'll be interesting to see what happens with it.
[18:51:49] <Teckla> carrot: I wonder how it's different than nutrition drinks that have been on the market a long time, such an Ensure.
[18:51:56] <michealpwalls> I think the idea of replacing our sources of protein with insects makes more sense than the "Soylent Shake" heehee!
[18:52:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> michealpwalls: what if the soylent shake contains insects for protein?
[18:52:47] <michealpwalls> AndyTheAbsurd: Well in general that's great, but what *else* is in Soylent Shakes and how thoroughly have they been tested on humans for long-term health? :/
[18:54:37] <michealpwalls> I think, one day we (Read: "We" as in "all humans" LOL) will all be eating something similar in concept to the "protein bars" that are dispensed to the people on the "Snowpiercer" movie (I dont' want to spoil the movie for those that haven't seen it, so meh..)
[18:55:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> AFAIK, they haven't released an ingredient list yet.
[18:55:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> so...kind of hard to answer your question.
[18:56:29] <michealpwalls> AndyTheAbsurd: Well, that's exactly my point haha. It's that there isn't a public list of ingredients, all of which has been thoroughly tested by creditable scientific means and proven to be safe for humans... That's why I dislike it :P
[18:56:37] <michealpwalls> Insects, on the other hand... Now there's a winning concept!
[18:56:38] <michealpwalls> :)
[18:57:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> they claim that everything in it is "generally recognized as safe" by the FDA. But still...meh.
[18:57:28] <DrMag> On that note, I'm feeling hungry... be back after lunch.
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[18:58:08] <michealpwalls> oh, I didn't know that Andy. Well that's a step in the right direction, at least. Still concerning that the ingredients list isn't even disclosed, as that makes verifying their claim impossible :/
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[19:28:53] <michealpwalls> Wow 168 comments for the Lurking question
[19:28:54] <michealpwalls> Nice :)
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[19:35:46] <michealpwalls> "we saw 3842 unique users logged in every day" Hey that's cool!
[19:35:52] <michealpwalls> I think that's pretty darned good :O
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[19:42:14] <Blackmoore> one of these days i'll figure out how to add afk to my handle in here
[19:42:28] <xlefay> /nick Blackmoore|afk
[19:42:29] <xlefay> ?:)
[19:42:32] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[19:42:44] <xlefay> janrinok, is it (really) you?
[19:43:02] <Blackmoore> ah ty
[19:43:16] <janrinok> yep - its definitely me or somebody else pretending to me that is so good, that they have convinced me as well.
[19:44:02] <janrinok> xlefay: how's things with you this evening?
[19:46:04] <xlefay> janrinok, I suspect the latter, just to be safe, of course.
[19:46:29] <xlefay> I'm doing quite well but not too well to make me a target of 'them', how about you, sir Janrinok?
[19:47:04] <janrinok> keeping my head down, next door's garden has got much spare space...
[19:47:24] <xlefay> That's good!
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[19:47:43] <janrinok> what are you working on at the moment?
[19:48:29] <xlefay> Just fixing something for Kobach, you?
[19:48:54] <janrinok> fixing something for kobach - is it bacon related?
[19:50:19] <xlefay> Nah, his powers on IRC related ;)
[19:50:29] <michealpwalls> Anyone know if pipedot is running slashcode?
[19:50:46] <janrinok> ah, OK. I'm doing a bit of routine editing and trying to continue with my work on the wiki.
[19:50:49] <xlefay> They're not. It's homebrew PHP
[19:50:57] <michealpwalls> Ah, interesting
[19:51:05] <xlefay> (least, it looked like it based on some error message I once saw)
[19:51:06] <michealpwalls> Is it open source? I can't seem to find the project page :/
[19:51:16] <xlefay> janrinok, aah I see, well good luck!
[19:51:20] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I don't believe so
[19:51:24] <michealpwalls> Yea I'm trying to find out but it's very obscure LOL. Everything's an alias..
[19:52:03] <xlefay> found out what?
[19:58:37] <Cyprus> pipedot does not appear to be OSS yet
[19:58:46] <Cyprus> which is sad =/
[19:58:53] <michealpwalls> https://github.com
[19:58:55] <michealpwalls> Found it.
[19:59:01] <xlefay> woa nice
[19:59:03] <michealpwalls> Well... The stub anyways.
[19:59:16] <michealpwalls> You were right, it's PHP. Nice :)
[19:59:51] <NCommander> I KNEW IT. I KNEW PIPECODE WAS A FRAUD.
[19:59:56] <NCommander> No real website uses PHP
[19:59:58] <Blackmoore> Has anyone considered the option of a complete rewrite - in some other language? or is that just too painful to think about?
[20:00:04] <michealpwalls> LOL NCommander. What about Facebook? :P
[20:00:14] <Blackmoore> facebook is dead to me
[20:00:17] <xlefay> michealpwalls, thanks for proving his point!
[20:00:19] <NCommander> michealpwalls, as I said, no real website :-)
[20:00:41] <NCommander> Actually, I had a chance to talk at length with one of the Facebook guys at LinaroConnect
[20:00:41] <michealpwalls> Blackmoore: That's where I was going with this... LOL. You have 2 communities fighting the same, or at least, a similar battle.
[20:00:52] <NCommander> What they do to scale is absurd
[20:01:08] <michealpwalls> Well, yea. Facebook has forked both Apache and the PHP interpreter LMAO
[20:01:08] <xlefay> Well, Facebook is throwing quite a bit of improvement towards PHP
[20:01:13] <michealpwalls> And this ^
[20:01:20] <xlefay> but I'm sure, they're throwing an amazing amount of hardware at it
[20:01:27] <NCommander> xlefay, not as much anymore, because they use HipTop
[20:01:45] <Blackmoore> and they have the finances to throw developers at the job.
[20:01:45] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - A Man's Intelligence Shows in his Face - http://sylnt.us - I'm-doomed-I-tell-you-doomed
[20:01:52] <xlefay> Nonetheless, to operate on the scale they are, they must be throwing quite a bit at it
[20:02:04] <michealpwalls> That is true for any service.
[20:02:05] <michealpwalls> :/
[20:02:08] <xlefay> HHVM is pretty neat though
[20:02:19] <xlefay> HHVM = HipHop but they dropped that amazingly stupid name
[20:02:24] <michealpwalls> Yea, I find all of it very interesting stuff..
[20:02:34] <xlefay> I think Hack is more interesting though
[20:02:42] <michealpwalls> Also what Google is doing for Android with their fork of the Java VM hehe
[20:02:58] <NCommander> Its *not* a fork of Hotspot
[20:02:58] <michealpwalls> Indeed! I find it all very intriguing hehe
[20:03:04] <NCommander> Dalvik shares no common code with OpenJDK
[20:03:16] * Cyprus wishes he could comment
[20:03:16] * NCommander has code in cyanogenmod; knows android
[20:03:24] <michealpwalls> Meh. Call it what you will. Seems like "clean room reverse engineering", but that's being pedantic.
[20:03:25] * NCommander uncomments Cyprus
[20:03:31] <michealpwalls> It's a fork of the JVM as far as I'm concerned :P
[20:03:42] <NCommander> michealpwalls, it doesn't use the same bytecode at all
[20:03:44] <xlefay> michealpwalls, at the least, they're making PHP make more sense, least a little bit that is ;-)
[20:03:47] * Cyprus throws a rock at NCommander for that bad pun
[20:04:09] <michealpwalls> Okay, so 'fork' is a misleading term. Writing their own implementation, then. :P
[20:04:12] <michealpwalls> Happy? (giggle)
[20:04:19] <NCommander> Cyprus, you don't know me very well, I'm quite a pungeon master
[20:04:25] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[20:04:26] <SlimShady> Added quote 86
[20:04:27] <mattie_p> groan
[20:05:04] <michealpwalls> http://pipecode.org
[20:05:04] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I'm being somewhat pendatic on this because a JVM has a very specific technical meaning, and I live in fear of Oracle's legal team
[20:05:18] <michealpwalls> LMAO NCommander. Very well said :)
[20:05:33] <Cyprus> PHP makes perfect sense, its whatever they needed at the time, then rebuilt when they found a security issue, repeatedly =)
[20:05:38] <NCommander> HAW
[20:05:38] <NCommander> Although you are free to use any Linux distribution that you want, we recommend using Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS 64-bit.
[20:05:46] <xlefay> rolf Cyprus
[20:05:56] * NCommander is hugely amused the major slash spinoffs went with Ubuntu
[20:06:06] <NCommander> I wonder what Bruce went with for the technocrat
[20:06:15] <Cyprus> it's funny because it's true
[20:06:22] <mattie_p> we could always ask him
[20:06:48] <xlefay> Least he promised the site would work without JS.. looking at it, I'd say that's about right
[20:07:16] <xlefay> Did anyone else e-mail him by the way? When he first asked to be e-mailed if people wanted an alternative (before ##altslashdot)?
[20:07:19] <NCommander> xlefay, I dunno, I'm fairly sure technocrat would feel right at home on gopher
[20:07:41] <NCommander> xlefay, he was on ##altslashdot for awhile
[20:07:46] <mattie_p> he signed up for us on day one I think
[20:07:56] <mattie_p> had a useriud and made some posts, IIRC
[20:08:01] <NCommander> by TheodoreSeeber at 2014-03-14 16:37:17 UTC Quality:
[20:08:07] <NCommander> Technocrat is NOT healthy
[20:08:15] <xlefay> Yeah but before that, in a slashdot comment thread, he asked to be e-mailed if people were interested, real question is - did anyone else here do so?
[20:08:20] <NCommander> And I won't have even noticed it if the stories didn't look support
[20:08:33] <xlefay> I feel a bit bad that I did and now I don't even check it.. then again, it's pretty slowgoing on there
[20:08:35] <NCommander> xlefay, I didn't, but I was experiencing a world without sleep
[20:09:17] <xlefay> I see
[20:09:42] <michealpwalls> I just hate fragmentation, that's all...
[20:09:56] <michealpwalls> All altslashdots should grow together, IMHO. Anything else is counter-productive :/
[20:10:07] <NCommander> Pipedot actually predates altslashdot
[20:10:10] <NCommander> By about a week
[20:10:15] <michealpwalls> hah, nice
[20:10:28] <michealpwalls> I like Pipedot, though, at least in concept... Haven't seen the code yet (ducks)
[20:10:45] <Cyprus> pipedot looks like it's doing well, but i hate to see it not release code
[20:11:02] <xlefay> Cyprus, it appears they're planning on doing so though
[20:11:20] <Cyprus> they say that
[20:11:31] <xlefay> Like I said, 'appears' ;)
[20:11:33] <michealpwalls> Yes, I had to dig with actual effort just to find their git repository, which had no code on it... Then their bug-tracker, then their public-facing website for Pipecode (All seperate entities...)
[20:11:42] <Cyprus> just waiting for facebook to buy them
[20:11:46] <xlefay> rofl
[20:11:51] <michealpwalls> LOL Cyprus
[20:12:37] <michealpwalls> I think they're refactoring, probably... A lot of the code was just prototyping to prove the concept is easy to implement in PHP.. They haven't released it 'cause it's probs quite frightening to look at :P
[20:12:47] <michealpwalls> LOL they're going to clean it up and release it once mere mortals can read it :P
[20:12:52] <Cyprus> its a php skeleton, how horrible could it look?
[20:12:59] <michealpwalls> You'd be surprised :O
[20:13:08] <Cyprus> they've had literally 2 months to make it
[20:13:16] <NCommander> Pipedot is an entirely one man effort
[20:13:25] <NCommander> I have to give points to that guy for pushing with it
[20:13:26] <michealpwalls> Implementing slashcode in 1 month is not for the faint at heart, though....
[20:13:40] <Cyprus> eh, slash as a site isn't that complicated
[20:13:48] <michealpwalls> Yea, same here :P
[20:13:50] <Cyprus> if you look at it from what can i do with a modern web framework
[20:13:52] <michealpwalls> It's robust, though... Very robust...
[20:14:38] <NCommander> michealpwalls, so, I'm curious, what do you think in terms of hardware we're using to keep the site up, and how much do you think our monthly bandwidth is?
[20:14:38] <michealpwalls> Feature rich and robust. Those are my marketing terms for today (giggle)
[20:14:42] <Cyprus> throw together 4-5 db tables, some scaffolding, tie the whole thing together with Comic Sans... wouldn't be that hard to get a basic site up =)
[20:15:20] <michealpwalls> NCommander: Well, I would guess that *bandwidth* is really your monthly expense. I don't imagine the hardware requirements would be that dramatic? Am I wrong hehe?
[20:15:30] <xlefay> NCommander, blowing people their minds again, are we?
[20:15:33] <Cyprus> actually, i'd expect the opposite
[20:15:35] <michealpwalls> I'm not an IT guy, btw. Most networking/hosting experience I have is development environments hehe
[20:15:42] <NCommander> I'm curious to see what Cyprus thinks :-)
[20:15:44] <Cyprus> bandwidth is dirt cheap
[20:15:58] <NCommander> We could probably cut some costs here and there
[20:16:06] <Cyprus> although, considering i read #staff, it's kind of cheating
[20:16:07] <NCommander> But we didn't want to overload our nodes
[20:16:09] <michealpwalls> I think 1 physical machine, virtualized into segments could handle Soylent. How far off is that estimate?
[20:16:16] <NCommander> beryllium is at the "wafer thin mint" state
[20:16:39] <NCommander> michealpwalls, actually, not too far off, we've doing about half a million connections per day
[20:16:55] <poutine--> http://ask.slashdot.org
[20:17:19] <poutine--> Terrible, slashdot showing their age and inability to comprehend big pictures
[20:17:27] <NCommander> poutine--, ack, I got betad
[20:17:29] * NCommander swears
[20:17:32] <Cyprus> considering you're doing varnish -> ngix its probably light as hell, just need to throw memory at it
[20:17:39] <xlefay> yay, I get classic!
[20:17:44] <NCommander> Cyprus, no, we're not
[20:17:49] <NCommander> Cyprus, nginx -> varnish -> apache 1.3 :-)
[20:17:56] <Cyprus> yeah that's what i meant
[20:18:00] <xlefay> That's only for SSL though
[20:18:03] <NCommander> (if you're coming in from tor, then its apache 2.2 -> nginx -> varnish -> apache 1.3
[20:18:11] <michealpwalls> Sheesh :/
[20:18:15] * NCommander is trying to see how many reverse proxies we can make our users go through
[20:18:19] <michealpwalls> That's really complicated no?
[20:18:23] <michealpwalls> LOL NCommander
[20:18:23] <poutine--> I've worked for several for-profit and companies doing development for the government, even the US government uses cloud systems for deployment. This is the future of things, not bringing everything in-home
[20:18:25] <xlefay> That makes me a bit nauseous tbh lol
[20:19:08] * xlefay wishes we just had varnish & apache, less hops
[20:20:02] <NCommander> poutine--, for the most part I agree. There's some stuff you keep in-house (and for stuff like HIPPA, the cloud is basically right out), and cloud redundancy is always a good thing.
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[20:22:10] <Cyprus> one question i do have though, is how much is varnsih able to take on itself on the logged in users?
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[20:23:10] <NCommander> Cyprus, a lot
[20:23:23] <Cyprus> cool
[20:23:29] <NCommander> Cyprus, xlefay fired ab at it, and made 40 GiB vanish very very quickly
[20:23:48] <Cyprus> yeah, precaching is awesome
[20:24:01] <NCommander> Cyprus, basically, if Apache takes a shit, varnish going into OH SHIT mode, and holds onto its cache with an iron grip
[20:24:15] <NCommander> Right now, we haven't seen Apache go completely belly up, but it can get swamped
[20:24:28] <michealpwalls> Hrmm
[20:24:33] <michealpwalls> Why is nginx used?
[20:24:51] <xlefay> as SSL terminator
[20:25:13] <Cyprus> scalable infrastructure ftw
[20:25:17] <xlefay> non-ssl: varnish <-> apache | SSL: nginx <-> varnish <-> apache
[20:25:23] <michealpwalls> mod_ssl can't do what nginx is doing, I mean?
[20:25:28] <Cyprus> xlefay: you throw puppet through a wall yet? =P
[20:25:41] <xlefay> michealpwalls, would bypass varnish, which isn't what we want
[20:25:47] <michealpwalls> Oh I see
[20:25:56] <xlefay> Cyprus, not yet :<
[20:25:57] <michealpwalls> So varnish does not support apache's mod_ssl, perhaps?
[20:26:14] <xlefay> Varnish doesn't do SSL of it's own, no
[20:26:14] <michealpwalls> Sorry if I'm annoying you, hehe :P
[20:26:18] <NCommander> michealpwalls, nope
[20:26:21] <michealpwalls> Ah, I see
[20:26:27] <NCommander> We're also doing rate limiting on varnish itself
[20:26:29] <xlefay> https://www.varnish-cache.org
[20:26:31] <Cyprus> you want something light to terminate the ssl, that's not tied into the lb pool generally
[20:26:38] * NCommander notes we have a cheeky message in place if you see 429 errors
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[20:26:45] <NCommander> Cyprus, which made our life hell. Slash looks for mod_ssl
[20:26:49] <xlefay> You get a real khyber warning if you get caught by the rate limiter
[20:27:00] <michealpwalls> hrmm, interesting!
[20:27:04] <Cyprus> yeah i've seen the fun ya'll have been having lobotomizing the ssl code in slash
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[20:28:12] <michealpwalls> That site must be using german-style digit grouping/fractions (82.595 == 82,595 yes?)
[20:28:29] <michealpwalls> otherwise they're throwing some weird stats around LOL!
[20:29:04] <NCommander> michealpwalls, yeah, so American :-P
[20:29:08] <NCommander> BE MULTICULTURAL!
[20:29:17] <NCommander> EMBRACE I10N!
[20:29:25] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[20:29:51] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[20:29:51] <SlimShady> Added quote 87
[20:29:59] * xlefay can't believe an American just said that
[20:30:16] <NCommander> xlefay, reality check, I was in Panama when this madness began
[20:30:20] * xlefay waits to see them bring facts into this conversation
[20:30:36] <michealpwalls> Good read, xlefay. So basically they are "sticking to their guns" and not including the openSSL monster, as it would dramatically increase the complexity and speed of Varnish.. Which defeats the entire point of Varnish.
[20:30:43] <NCommander> Ubuntu is the easiest server operating system to use and makes CentOS look like a pile of shit?
[20:30:49] <xlefay> Fact.
[20:30:53] * NCommander notes the truth hurts
[20:31:00] <NCommander> Then the burning stops and life gets better
[20:31:06] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - A Man's Intelligence Shows In His Face - http://sylnt.us - I'm-doomed-I-tell-you-doomed
[20:31:19] <xlefay> Lets be honest though, CentOS's pretty rock solid; but if you want something solid & flexible, something more like Ubuntu would be better
[20:31:27] <michealpwalls> I like CentOS..
[20:31:28] <xlefay> so, yes, easier = ubunhtu :)
[20:31:31] <michealpwalls> I very much dislike Ubuntu.
[20:31:36] <xlefay> Ubuntu*
[20:31:37] <NCommander> xlefay, CentOS is rperfectly fine right up until yum upgrade
[20:31:45] <xlefay> .. stop
[20:31:48] <michealpwalls> So I can't agree with any of that. Maybe *easier* but, do you really want *easy* for a server operating system... Or rock solid and secure? :P
[20:31:50] <xlefay> I don't want nightmares tonight
[20:31:59] <NCommander> I rather run Slackware than CentOS :-)
[20:32:00] <xlefay> michealpwalls, bahahahaha
[20:32:16] <xlefay> you're saying Ubuntu isn't rock solid and secure? Well, that's not what I've been seeing ;)
[20:32:30] <NCommander> We're so rock solid that we threw out IPv4 AND IT DIDN'T BREAK!
[20:32:36] <michealpwalls> I implied it I suppose, but my point was more idealogical :P
[20:32:38] <Cyprus> round 1: Fight
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[20:33:05] <xlefay> michealpwalls, funny, about a week and a half ago, I was on your side of the street ;)
[20:33:09] <NCommander> I'm too tired to be preachy
[20:33:13] <michealpwalls> hehe
[20:33:22] <Cyprus> you just need the proper prodding i expect
[20:33:27] <xlefay> Still someone actually showed me _facts_ instead of just random stories
[20:33:45] <NCommander> I got him running Unity too
[20:33:55] <xlefay> On a testing basis, so far.
[20:34:08] <xlefay> but.. I'm inclined to surrender
[20:34:12] * NCommander notes those spare Canonical control chips really came in handy
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[20:34:26] <xlefay> LOL
[20:35:22] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I used to have a higher opinion of CentOS right up until I had to setup X11 forwarding to get LDAP to work
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[20:36:04] <michealpwalls> Why was that a centOS-specific problem?
[20:36:04] <Cyprus> that's hardly fair, you didn't NEED x forwarding =P
[20:36:24] <Cyprus> you're the one who was trying to use that god awful system-config-auth
[20:36:28] <NCommander> michealpwalls, because CentOS doesn't come with ncurses frontends for their config tools
[20:36:35] <NCommander> Cyprus, I was following the documentation
[20:36:39] <michealpwalls> Fundamentally, I wont disagree even slightly that Ubuntu Server is going to make things much easier..
[20:36:43] <NCommander> I have grown an expectation for it to be right
[20:36:45] <Cyprus> yeah, don't do that =P
[20:36:55] <NCommander> Cyprus, depends what distro you're running :-)
[20:37:10] <Cyprus> that's the documentation for the gui people who need windows next boxes
[20:37:37] <michealpwalls> However I wonder at what expense? In terms of performance and security, the more layers you add to the stack the more complexity increases as well as the attack surface..
[20:38:11] <michealpwalls> But more specifically (That was pretty vague, hehe) seeing how Canonical manages Ubuntu Desktop...
[20:38:27] <xlefay> Well, fortunately, with CentOS you can barely install squat so the attack vector stays low
[20:38:27] * NCommander notes he's not a neutral third party in this and leaves it at that
[20:38:33] <michealpwalls> Makes me shutter to even think of Ubuntu Server... Of course that might be entirely unfair :/
[20:38:53] <Cyprus> and there it is
[20:38:56] <NCommander> michealpwalls, we could have run Slash on cygwin
[20:39:00] <xlefay> michealpwalls, have you tried it yet?
[20:39:12] <michealpwalls> To be frank, no :P
[20:39:19] <xlefay> Honestly, I was on your side.. then I tried Ubuntu, you might find all those rumors and such aren't really fair or deserved.
[20:39:27] <michealpwalls> As I said, my experiences with their Desktop product prvented me from giving it a fair chance.
[20:39:39] * NCommander will first to admit that Unity kinda sucked v1
[20:39:44] <NCommander> It stopped doing that a year ago
[20:39:44] <michealpwalls> hehe I accept that, xlefay! :)
[20:39:58] <michealpwalls> I built and installed Unity on Gentoo for my wife..
[20:39:58] <Cyprus> xlefay: in their defense, yes if you only consider the offical repos, but hardly anyone uses centos without bringing elrepo, epel, and rpmforge in some way
[20:40:03] <michealpwalls> I don't want to talk abotu Unity.
[20:40:10] <Cyprus> ewwww gentoo
[20:40:16] <michealpwalls> Hey you take that back!
[20:40:17] <michealpwalls> LOL
[20:40:17] * Cyprus just threw up a little
[20:40:28] <NCommander> Gah
[20:40:30] <xlefay> Cyprus, true
[20:40:37] * NCommander would NOT want to try and build Unity from scratch due to the Gtk patches
[20:40:38] <Cyprus> gento is great, if you need to run on like a toaster
[20:40:44] <NCommander> I was shocked Arch actually packaged it up
[20:40:46] <Cyprus> or a skateboard
[20:40:57] <Cyprus> or a gyrocopter
[20:41:00] <NCommander> Meh, you know what
[20:41:02] <Cyprus> but like, for a server?
[20:41:07] <michealpwalls> It wasn't as bad as it sounded heehee. Gentoo overlays for the win guys :)
[20:41:08] <NCommander> xlefay, WE'RE MIGRATING TO HURD, GET THE TIME MACHINE
[20:41:16] <michealpwalls> LOL HURD!
[20:41:18] <xlefay> michealpwalls, honestly, I would recommend you try Ubuntu server in a VM and see how you like it, try some stuff; you might find it's actually very nice
[20:41:19] <Cyprus> i don't go get seed when i want bread either
[20:41:22] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[20:41:22] <SlimShady> Added quote 88
[20:41:24] <xlefay> Indeed, let's do it!
[20:41:35] <NCommander> Actually, we almost did Hurd for april 1st
[20:41:43] <NCommander> I couldn't get around to compiling the Xen patches into gnumach
[20:41:47] <NCommander> To run it on linode
[20:41:47] * xlefay has the time machine ready, where do you want it, Commander?
[20:41:48] <Cyprus> then they realized what year it was
[20:42:10] <Cyprus> now irix on the other hand... =P
[20:42:13] <NCommander> xlefay, 1997. We're use the inflation of the US dollar to buy /. from CmdrTaco and turn it into undisputed awesome
[20:42:23] <NCommander> Cyprus, I took a serious swing at porting Firefox 10 to IRIX
[20:42:24] <michealpwalls> That's brilliant!
[20:42:26] <xlefay> OK, Ready?
[20:42:30] <NCommander> HIT IT
[20:42:33] <xlefay> SET!
[20:42:36] <xlefay> GO!
[20:42:41] <NCommander> ...
[20:42:44] <xlefay> Are we alive?
[20:42:46] <michealpwalls> LOL PUNCH IT!
[20:42:56] * xlefay hits 'n punches it
[20:43:01] <Cyprus> yeah about that. Go join google
[20:43:06] <xlefay> dammit, I think this is running CentOS; it ain't working!
[20:43:07] <NCommander> Cyprus, turns out, you need more than 1 GiB of address space to link Firefox
[20:43:11] <Cyprus> lol
[20:43:20] <NCommander> xlefay, no, oh god, its worse
[20:43:23] <michealpwalls> I already did, Cyprus. I think it was 3rd semester.. I just gave up. "Submit unto Google."
[20:43:24] <michealpwalls> :/
[20:43:25] <NCommander> ITS RHEL ... 4!!!!
[20:43:35] <Cyprus> firefox: we used to be the light alternative, now you can run a browser in your browser
[20:43:45] <michealpwalls> Oh man don't get me started with Firefox... Gah!
[20:43:45] <xlefay> Oh god, why are you so cruel to us?!
[20:44:02] <NCommander> xlefay, if I was cruel to you, we'd be running Arch
[20:44:04] <xlefay> Oh, we're past the dramatic part?
[20:44:04] <michealpwalls> Mozilla Foundation makes me want to punch puppies.
[20:44:14] <xlefay> NCommander, you just implied you're god... bad man
[20:44:28] <NCommander> xlefay, well, women call me that all the time in bed
[20:44:39] <xlefay> That's not what she said
[20:44:56] <NCommander> xlefay, you need more exciting women in your life then.
[20:45:04] <xlefay> LOL
[20:45:09] <xlefay> you just turned that around on me, dammit
[20:45:15] <michealpwalls> I ran Arch once. Is not bad honestly, but I don't see the point. Almost as much effort goes into Arch as goes into Gentoo, but without *any* of the benefits and you *still* have to deal with typical binary bs :/
[20:45:16] <Cyprus> she said that too
[20:45:21] <xlefay> rofl
[20:45:48] <Cyprus> lol, its like gentoo without the positives
[20:45:56] <michealpwalls> hah, that's their slogan? :P
[20:45:57] <NCommander> Cyprus, no, its like using portage with binary packages
[20:45:58] <Cyprus> i think they call that masocism
[20:46:12] <NCommander> Cyprus, no, thats HFS (Hurd from scratch)
[20:46:19] <xlefay> michealpwalls, unless of course you use BBS
[20:46:23] <NCommander> Anyone who wants to deal with FSF politicing has to be a masost
[20:46:28] <Cyprus> lol
[20:46:40] <xlefay> Arch's bbs is pretty neat for non-binary packages
[20:46:58] <Cyprus> gentoo: for when you really can spend all day rebuilding your kernel for a 4 line patch
[20:47:09] <NCommander> Cyprus, pfft, I can do that from EFI as it boots up
[20:47:18] <xlefay> Show off
[20:47:19] <Cyprus> eh?
[20:47:21] <NCommander> Fuck, I can run python in my firmware these days
[20:47:28] <michealpwalls> Oh don't get me started. LOL
[20:47:29] <xlefay> Show off
[20:47:35] <Cyprus> python: i can't believe it's not perl
[20:47:41] <michealpwalls> I don't know how many times I had to recompile the stupid kernel 'cause I forgot something (facepalm)
[20:47:50] <xlefay> michealpwalls, meh, it sucks eh :P
[20:47:54] <michealpwalls> But once I got it, imaged it, never had to do it again :P
[20:47:59] <NCommander> Cyprus, I broke a co-workers brain by saying it was possible we could port perl to UEFI in an attempt to have a more readable codebase
[20:48:03] <xlefay> The lazy ones among us, just used genkernel most of the time
[20:48:06] <Cyprus> lmao....
[20:48:10] <Cyprus> oh god
[20:48:13] <Cyprus> that's awesome
[20:48:14] <NCommander> The laziest among us just apt-get install linux
[20:48:18] <michealpwalls> haha NCommander
[20:48:33] <xlefay> See what he did there?
[20:48:54] <michealpwalls> Think you're so cool with your "hip" and "with-it" apt-get. Well I'm hip, too!
[20:48:54] <Cyprus> the laziest among us just install rhel =P
[20:48:57] <NCommander> Ubuntu == We'd say "It's Easy" but Staples already trademarked it
[20:49:08] <michealpwalls> I can, like, use overlays and emerge with the best of them.
[20:49:10] <michealpwalls> So meh.
[20:49:16] <xlefay> One thing about those staples though, they really frikkin' hurt!
[20:49:23] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I can rebuild Ubuntu from scratch every time and get a consistent result. Try that with RHEL :-)
[20:49:28] <Cyprus> i like the "WTF?!" button better
[20:49:41] <xlefay> NCommander, it's a feature, not a bug
[20:49:46] <NCommander> Cyprus, you must be an OpenBSD user
[20:49:48] <Cyprus> took it to a meeting once, coworkers loved it, boss not so much
[20:49:50] <michealpwalls> Pfft. What if you don't *want* that consistancy? What if it's not your desired environment?
[20:49:52] <Cyprus> rofl no, not bsd
[20:50:07] <xlefay> michealpwalls, just proved that point
[20:50:13] * NCommander notes ufw is the first frontend to iptables that doesn't make me stab my eyes out
[20:50:15] <michealpwalls> apt-get --purge remove pulseaudio
[20:50:16] <xlefay> I bet tomorrow, he'll hate Gentoo and love Arch!
[20:50:17] <Cyprus> i used rhel derivitaves for years, but you guys have me wanting to try ubuntu
[20:50:20] <michealpwalls> GG NO RE!~
[20:50:41] <NCommander> michealpwalls, install command line system, and then compile it yourself, or just get whatever packages you want
[20:50:47] <xlefay> NCommander, I always liked APF quite a bit though
[20:50:48] <NCommander> apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop
[20:50:59] <michealpwalls> Here's a better one. Replace Upstart with something that actually works properly. Lemme know how that goes :P
[20:51:01] <michealpwalls> (giggle)
[20:51:08] <NCommander> michealpwalls, .... do NOT get me started on systemd
[20:51:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, they're actually doing that..
[20:51:13] <Cyprus> you do realize everyone is moving to systemd?
[20:51:13] <michealpwalls> Evertime I tried to do much, it triggered an uninstall of the entire damned system..
[20:51:21] <NCommander> michealpwalls, apt-get install sysvinit
[20:51:29] <michealpwalls> Cyprus: You mean Canonical is switching for a *3rd* time? Cool story, bro!
[20:51:30] <xlefay> Cyprus, so is ubuntu last I heard
[20:51:36] <michealpwalls> (rofl) that's exactly *why* I can't stand Ubuntu/Canonical.
[20:51:42] <michealpwalls> They switch for the sake of switching... And then switch back.
[20:51:47] * NCommander wonders if he should drop his bombshell
[20:52:08] <michealpwalls> No bombshells heehee!
[20:52:09] <Cyprus> bombshell?
[20:52:17] <xlefay> If you just listed the major reasons michealpwalls, then I agree on the init system but the rest of the reasons are just horse shit :P
[20:52:49] * xlefay lights a fire near NCommander
[20:52:56] <michealpwalls> No, I was giving examples of how impossible apt-get is to use to customize an Ubuntu system... Without triggering a massive removal of all packages under the meta packages..
[20:52:57] <NCommander> xlefay, if you worked with lennart, you'd never want to touch systemd even if it was made of spoke with an irish accent and crapped gold bricks
[20:53:03] <michealpwalls> Meta-packages like ubuntu-desktop and etc.
[20:53:16] <xlefay> NCommander, meh, I don't care about the init system, I just want the damned thing to work!
[20:53:27] <NCommander> michealpwalls, ok, give me an example right here and now
[20:53:42] <Cyprus> yeah, i can't believe we're using something the audiofail guy made
[20:53:43] <NCommander> michealpwalls, pulseaudio is *required* these days to make flash work with audio for new revisions
[20:53:51] <michealpwalls> NCommander: apt-get --purge pulseaudio. Or as I mentioned prior, try replacing Upstart with whatevfer you want...
[20:54:05] <NCommander> michealpwalls, why do you want to replace upstart
[20:54:07] <michealpwalls> NCommander: And skype, yea, I get it. But you're side-stepping my point haha :P
[20:54:15] <NCommander> michealpwalls, no, I'm asking why do you want to replace upstart
[20:54:30] <Cyprus> i actually liked upstart
[20:54:34] * xlefay can't believe people actually care about it so much
[20:54:40] <xlefay> Isn't the entire point that it works?
[20:54:41] <NCommander> michealpwalls, skype installs out of the box just fine. I just did that yesterday
[20:54:48] <Cyprus> systemd isn't horrible, although i don't like how it tries to be everything
[20:54:49] <michealpwalls> It's just an example. I didn't mean to spark an init debate here :P
[20:55:11] <michealpwalls> The example is that, because Ubuntu is *riddled* with meta-packages and a spider-web of dependencies, many things simply *cannot* be customized...
[20:55:15] <NCommander> michealpwalls, as for pulseaudio, removing the metapackages won't break the system
[20:55:16] <michealpwalls> Without removal of the entire system.
[20:55:34] <xlefay> michealpwalls, I think you're overselling the issue a bit?
[20:55:53] <NCommander> michealpwalls, The following packages will be REMOVED:
[20:55:53] <NCommander> indicator-sound* libcanberra-pulse* pulseaudio* pulseaudio-module-bluetooth* pulseaudio-module-x11* ubuntu-desktop*
[20:55:53] <NCommander> Would you like to back up your assuration with fact?
[20:55:57] <NCommander> That's on a system that's been upgraded twice
[20:56:04] <michealpwalls> The reason I brought up Upstart specifically was because I never agreed with the switch to begin with.. Now they're switching again. Seems pretty silly to me, shows their lack of foresight :/
[20:56:10] <NCommander> ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage used by the installer to track dependencies, you can remove it just fine.
[20:56:23] <NCommander> michealpwalls, systemd didn't EXIST when upstart was written
[20:56:25] <xlefay> michealpwalls, actually they're switching because debian is too, I guess "they did" come to their senses
[20:56:52] * xlefay notes he doesn't care.. I'm just looking at it from michealpwalls's perspective.
[20:57:01] <NCommander> michealpwalls, Upstart was first released in 2006
[20:57:05] <NCommander> systemd was released in 2010
[20:57:13] <NCommander> Try again?
[20:57:14] <Cyprus> it worked in 2011
[20:57:21] * Cyprus grins
[20:57:32] <michealpwalls> I know the history well, but you've gotten stuck here for some reason..
[20:57:42] <NCommander> michealpwalls, no, what I don't like is FUD
[20:58:03] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I just looked at what removing pulseaudio would do to a system running Unity
[20:58:12] <michealpwalls> It did exactly what I said it would.
[20:58:21] <michealpwalls> It triggered the removal of the highest meta-package in your repo list, ubuntu-desktop.
[20:58:34] <michealpwalls> So thanks... Anyways. You've obviously gotten emotional over my opinion. I apologize, I didn't mean to upset anybody...
[20:58:42] <NCommander> michealpwalls, which doesn't break the system, that package is used by the installer to track crap, or if you want to cross-install
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[20:59:28] <xlefay> Ah, I see you mean now, ubuntu-desktop meta package would be removed merely as a reference so to say, so that "pulseaudio" wouldn't be listed but all other packages still installed under that meta package remain?
[20:59:47] <michealpwalls> Not if you run apt-get -f install, no.
[21:00:04] <michealpwalls> It would trigger a cascade of events because the top level meta-package that caused your entire system to be installed the way it was was jsut removed...
[21:00:17] <xlefay> michealpwalls, then again, -f is a bit forceful ain't it? :)
[21:00:25] <michealpwalls> No, -f means fix not force :P
[21:00:35] <NCommander> apt-get -f install only uninstalls packages if there's no other way to fix the dependency tree
[21:00:53] <NCommander> apt-get autoremove USED to do what you said it woudl
[21:00:57] <michealpwalls> It will scan for those dependency issues and try to fix them. The solution should be to re-install ubuntu-desktop, causing pulseuadio to return..
[21:01:03] <xlefay> ah, *looks back at his apt-get help*
[21:01:06] <michealpwalls> Or remove everytrhing dependent upon ubuntu-desktop
[21:01:07] <NCommander> michealpwalls, wait
[21:01:11] <xlefay> I still have a long way to go with all these utilities!
[21:01:22] <NCommander> michealpwalls, you're trying to force install ubuntu-desktop while removing pulseaudio
[21:01:47] <NCommander> Which is the only case where apt-get -f install would remove a package (ubuntu-desktop) or try to install one (pulseuadio)
[21:03:16] * NCommander is trying to understand your problem
[21:03:25] <Cyprus> i wish i could grab that
[21:04:35] <Blackmoore> *is getting quite an education *
[21:04:49] <NCommander> So, to answer it
[21:04:57] <NCommander> The best thing to do is a bare bones command line install
[21:05:00] <NCommander> Then just install what you want
[21:05:05] <NCommander> And if you see something like pulse coming in
[21:05:10] <NCommander> aptitude why pulseaudio is your friend
[21:05:25] <michealpwalls> hehe aptitude. That's so Debian :P
[21:05:35] <NCommander> I have an ARM netbook. It runs Ubuntu 12.04, XMonad, and xdm
[21:05:36] <michealpwalls> When I was using Ubuntu it was marked deprecated hehe
[21:05:55] <michealpwalls> the Aptitude package, I mean
[21:06:21] <NCommander> aptitude is part of the default install
[21:06:27] * NCommander checks the priority level
[21:06:56] <NCommander> mcasadevall@tranquility:~$ aptitude why aptitude
[21:06:56] <NCommander> i pbuilder Recommends aptitude
[21:06:58] <NCommander> I stand corrected
[21:07:04] <NCommander> It got pulled in as a reverse dependency
[21:09:07] <michealpwalls> Well, to explain my perspective and perhaps irrational distaste for Canonical.. I was an Ubuntu user since 2006. I was around when PulseAudio was rolled out, or I should say, shoved down our throats. I know intimately the consequences of trying to remove it. It was completely broken and ESound worked perfectly fine for us, at that time. It had problems, sure, but PulseAudio had a lot more.
[21:09:14] <michealpwalls> So in 2014, why would I remove Pulse? Probably wouldn't...
[21:09:26] <michealpwalls> But in 2006-2007? It was very common desire of linux users.
[21:09:35] <michealpwalls> At least, Ubuntu Linux users..
[21:09:41] <michealpwalls> The other sane linux users didn't early-adopt it...
[21:09:48] <NCommander> michealpwalls, that would have been Dapper Drake
[21:10:13] * NCommander notes that predates my involvement in Ubuntu so give me a second to fact check
[21:10:38] <Cyprus> i vaugely remember this
[21:10:45] <michealpwalls> Also, about Upstart.. I know the history well there, too. Canonical chose to make Upstart because Apple had not yet put a fair license on LaunchD. Why re-invent the wheel, though? Why not stick it out with Init? RC works greatly...
[21:11:01] <NCommander> michealpwalls, "Init"?
[21:11:05] <NCommander> You mean sysvinit?
[21:11:19] <michealpwalls> The init scripts are so old and over-engineered at this point, *nobody* has to write init scripts... Just google it, use it, you're done. rc-update ftw :P
[21:11:24] <xlefay> I did use Ubuntu when they first introduced Pulseaudio but I just wanted to use my computer for stuff'; I remember because PA was a fucking pain
[21:11:38] <xlefay> That's when I started distro hoppin'
[21:11:45] <xlefay> and _actually_ care :P
[21:11:48] <michealpwalls> hehe
[21:12:04] <Cyprus> i know a lot of my coworkers at the time hated it, why i never tried ubu
[21:12:11] <NCommander> The biggest problem with sysvinit is that there are no dependency tracking. There's no easy way to ensure your database comes up before your webserver., and you can hang a system at boot with a misbehaving sysvinit script
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[21:12:22] <xlefay> That's one thing that's central about Ubuntu I guess, too much stuff, too early
[21:12:34] <michealpwalls> NCommander: Yea, well, SysVInit iunno if anythign *actually* uses that (haha easy attack: CentOS probably does) they all use the "newer" RC, or whatever it's name is (rc-update!)
[21:12:36] <xlefay> (PA, Unity for instance)
[21:12:44] * NCommander notes Dapper was the only release to be delayed
[21:12:47] <NCommander> 6.06 vs 6.04
[21:13:03] <michealpwalls> I know, init is *ancient* and has some serious problems... It needs to be replaced.. BUT.. why make a knee-jerk jump from it all of a sudden? Init is older than some of us, I bet... Seriously!
[21:13:05] <Cyprus> yeah, i've been wishing a better sysv would come out, i'm just not sure i like systemd
[21:13:05] <NCommander> michealpwalls, that IS sysvinit.
[21:13:15] <xlefay> I think Gentoo uses OpenRC tho right?
[21:13:20] <michealpwalls> Yea, OpenRC ^
[21:13:27] <Cyprus> i liked gentoo's system
[21:13:36] <NCommander> I liked upstart because its 100% backwards compatible with basic init, and it is relatively portable
[21:13:37] <Cyprus> it was just a little annoying to manually add stuff
[21:13:42] <NCommander> My problem with systemd is lennart is an ass
[21:13:42] <xlefay> I'm really impressed with how stable Ubuntu's running.. although I did have my first OOM on this laptop with it! But I'm sure that was related to some weirdness in Spotify'
[21:14:34] <NCommander> system refuses to consider the possibility of ever working on a non-Linux platform, or using basic system libraries for even a shred of cross-platform compatilbity
[21:14:38] <NCommander> *systemd
[21:14:56] <xlefay> I think I read something from FreeBSD about that shit
[21:15:03] <michealpwalls> NCommander: You can ensure your DB goes up after your webserver with number prefixes... 50-db, 55-webserver for example. But no, I know exactly what you mean hehe. init is really old and lacks modern features, I totaly get it. However when the alternative is even worse, why force a switch? Canonical could have waited until *now* to switch from init...
[21:15:04] <NCommander> This is further compounded that GNOME now depends on systemd
[21:15:25] <Cyprus> yeah, thats a lot of my problem, is the way they've tied it to everything
[21:15:27] <michealpwalls> And make one, seamless switch to a solid alternative. Canonical instead is always chacing the "bleeding edge" ideal, at the expense of users
[21:15:31] <xlefay> Gnome just keeps falling further and further
[21:15:39] <michealpwalls> Gnome is crazy, yea :/
[21:15:45] <michealpwalls> Why use GNOME, just go back to Windows LOL
[21:15:49] <NCommander> michealpwalls, why did RHEL feel the need to reinvent the wheel?
[21:16:00] <michealpwalls> NCommander: haha, so they can pretend to still be relevant :P
[21:16:10] <michealpwalls> "Hey look, look what we made!"
[21:16:16] <NCommander> michealpwalls, upstart had been out for four years then. As I see it systemd came out first, then RHEL used their GNOME and udev backing to force it down everyones throats
[21:16:18] <xlefay> michealpwalls, that's a stretch though; sure PA & the initial Unity are good examples but it's not always like this (or has that changed in the past few years?
[21:16:34] <Blackmoore> funny, i had to install an old Soundblaster card in a system in 04 to get around the onboard sound - that didnt work with Ubuntu
[21:16:35] <NCommander> PA sucked for everyone
[21:16:57] <NCommander> I ran Debian at the time, and I remember dealing with PA
[21:17:08] <Blackmoore> the onboard chip just didnt have support. I suspect it was ancientl
[21:17:12] <Cyprus> i wouldn't say rhel did that, i'd say the guy behind both PA and sysd did
[21:17:25] <Cyprus> because he also is behind udev iirc
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[21:17:39] <NCommander> Well, ok
[21:17:52] <NCommander> Do you want to guy responsible for pulseaudio to also be the guy who wrote your init process?
[21:17:53] <michealpwalls> Well, to be fair I have had worse experiences than Ubuntu. Anyone ever heard of Mandrake Linux?
[21:17:53] <Cyprus> i do blame people for indulging him though
[21:17:55] <NCommander> :-)
[21:18:01] <Cyprus> oh hell no
[21:18:02] <xlefay> michealpwalls, rofl
[21:18:04] <michealpwalls> I dont' know that htey're still around, but wow.. Those guys were kings of bad :/
[21:18:05] <NCommander> michealpwalls, old school distro is oldschool
[21:18:11] <NCommander> Lets not go there. I still have scars.
[21:18:14] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:18:15] <Cyprus> that was my origional comment, i can't believe we're using software from that guy
[21:18:21] <michealpwalls> I know, man I lost *so much* data because of that system..
[21:18:26] <Cyprus> ahh yes mandrake
[21:18:37] <NCommander> Mandrake == take everything good about RHEL, toss it out, then add some chrome and ship it!
[21:18:42] <michealpwalls> Back "in the day" when right-click, copy only made a symbolic link... You know, to troll beginners like me trying to "backup" data (facepalm)
[21:18:42] <NCommander> sorry, RHL
[21:18:48] <Cyprus> speaking of which, anyone use btfrs in production? =P
[21:18:55] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[21:18:55] <SlimShady> Added quote 89
[21:18:57] <NCommander> Cyprus, only in the future
[21:18:58] <michealpwalls> Not in production hehe
[21:19:11] <michealpwalls> But the idea seems really cool
[21:19:17] <Cyprus> or qcow2 file format?
[21:19:23] <Cyprus> thats a nice one
[21:19:23] <michealpwalls> never heard of that hehe
[21:19:27] <NCommander> Its moos
[21:19:32] <michealpwalls> I liek that it has "cow" in the name :P
[21:19:39] <xlefay> eh fuck that, just use a nice loop using ntfs, gotta work right?
[21:19:40] * NCommander notes apt has super cow powers
[21:19:43] <Cyprus> it moos, and randomly shits itself, much like cows
[21:19:50] <michealpwalls> LOL NCommander
[21:19:56] <NCommander> xlefay, apt-get moo
[21:20:02] <michealpwalls> My favorite package manager is yum.... (ducks)
[21:20:11] <xlefay> NCommander, I raise you aptitude moo -v{...}
[21:20:14] <michealpwalls> For binary package management ;)
[21:20:15] <NCommander> michealpwalls, you are a very patient man
[21:20:19] <NCommander> xlefay, I raise you aptitude tetris
[21:20:23] <michealpwalls> haha NCommander
[21:20:35] <Cyprus> thats the way to get your software adopted btw, yum, because everyone liked it, not systemd, because you corrupted udev with it
[21:20:41] <NCommander> ah, its minesweeper these days
[21:20:42] <xlefay> don't work :<
[21:20:48] <NCommander> xlefay, interactive mode
[21:20:55] <NCommander> xlefay, you did try typing aptitude by itself once right?
[21:21:07] <Cyprus> synaptic =P
[21:21:10] <xlefay> rofl
[21:21:38] <NCommander> Cyprus, this isn't CentOS, we can use ncurses for sane remote administration
[21:21:39] <xlefay> I like the aptitude easteregg tho x'D
[21:21:45] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Evaluating First Programming Languages - http://sylnt.us - I-remember-Applesoft-BASIC
[21:21:51] <xlefay> especially since it keeps complaining till it finally gives in!
[21:22:10] <Cyprus> yeah, i was being facecous. Don't like synaptic either
[21:22:41] <xlefay> I haven't even opened that darned thing
[21:22:47] <xlefay> does it still look as ugly as it did back then?
[21:22:50] <xlefay> *opens it*
[21:22:57] <NCommander> OOM in 3
[21:22:58] <NCommander> 2
[21:23:00] <NCommander> 1
[21:23:00] <Cyprus> lmao
[21:23:04] <xlefay> it's not even installed
[21:23:05] <xlefay> lol
[21:23:15] <NCommander> Because we created Ubuntu Software Centre
[21:23:27] <xlefay> eh I think I undid that from my "launcher"
[21:23:36] <xlefay> meh.. I don't even want to know, really
[21:23:38] <NCommander> USE THE LEN xlefay
[21:23:53] <NCommander> YEs
[21:23:54] <NCommander> FINALLY
[21:23:59] * NCommander has working GDB backtrace
[21:24:08] <NCommander> I can finally debug TianoCore in KVM
[21:24:08] <NCommander> yay
[21:25:09] <xlefay> For some reason, I imagine you to be dancing because you're happy it worked.
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[21:25:34] <NCommander> xlefay, that would require pants least the neighbors complain
[21:26:14] <xlefay> You should probably first #define pants.h'
[21:27:33] <NCommander> s/define/include/g
[21:27:37] <NCommander> ...
[21:27:42] <xlefay> s/define/include/
[21:27:42] <SedBot> <xlefay> You should probably first #include pants.h'
[21:28:06] <xlefay> SedBot, s/pants/panties/
[21:28:06] <SedBot> <xlefay> <SedBot> <xlefay> You should probably first #include panties.h'
[21:28:29] <michealpwalls> AMAGAD how does this even happen.. my Office manager has IE9 on her machine :/
[21:28:31] <NCommander> s/<xlefay> <SedBot> <xlefay>//
[21:28:40] <NCommander> ...
[21:28:44] <xlefay> NCommander, you forget to prepend a name. ;)
[21:28:45] <NCommander> michealpwalls, better than IE6
[21:28:45] <michealpwalls> IT makes me want to punch puppies, man
[21:29:01] <xlefay> michealpwalls, s/want to//
[21:29:01] <SedBot> <xlefay> <michealpwalls> IT makes me punch puppies, man
[21:29:09] <xlefay> Like so. ^
[21:29:21] <kobach> ^
[21:29:24] <kobach> thats why i dont work in IT
[21:29:26] <kobach> lol
[21:29:26] <NCommander> v
[21:29:33] <NCommander> what, I need to be negative once in awhile
[21:29:41] <kobach> lol
[21:29:48] <NCommander> you know
[21:30:17] <NCommander> We need to work on our communication. Some guy is just talking shit, one is laughing, and the last one just says what all the time :-P
[21:30:27] <xlefay> what?
[21:30:44] <Cyprus> I just want to know who's who on that list
[21:30:49] <kobach> i just showed up
[21:30:52] <kobach> i have 0 clue whats going on
[21:30:56] <Cyprus> rofl
[21:30:58] <kobach> im just trying to reconfigure my windows how i want them
[21:31:00] <kobach> lol
[21:31:01] <Cyprus> kobach++
[21:31:01] <SlimShady> karma - kobach: 21
[21:31:05] <Blackmoore> I seem to be in the outfield
[21:31:36] <NCommander> Blackmoore, better than an out house
[21:31:54] <janrinok> Blackmoore, I'll stand next to you...
[21:32:01] <NCommander> kobach, I recommend tempered double-pained glass. it will keep the heat in but provide plenty of light
[21:32:17] <kobach> i prefer sound proof double pane
[21:32:22] <NCommander> also allows for easy ingress by firefightered in case of emergency
[21:32:25] <kobach> tempering goes nice with it yes
[21:32:26] <Cyprus> so the neighbors can't hear the screams?
[21:32:30] <kobach> yes
[21:32:31] <poutine--> I recommend coating your glass windows with electrochromatic film, so you can turn them from transparent to translucent with a flip of a button
[21:32:44] <Cyprus> oh god i'm about to agree with poutine
[21:32:47] <kobach> i recommned you pay for that then
[21:32:53] <kobach> recommend also
[21:32:54] <Cyprus> But electrochromic windows are really really cool
[21:33:04] <NCommander> poutine++
[21:33:04] <SlimShady> karma - poutine: -334
[21:33:12] <kobach> yes Cyprus , and i have $50
[21:33:12] * NCommander needs a shower
[21:33:18] <Cyprus> lmao
[21:33:25] <kobach> maybe 100
[21:33:27] <michealpwalls> Woooow this is brutality :O
[21:33:33] <michealpwalls> There's all kinds of people running IE9 !
[21:33:41] <xlefay> kobach, * 334
[21:33:55] <michealpwalls> I don't even know what to do now LOL :/
[21:33:59] <kobach> i leave my cash laying around all over so i think im broke until i scrounge up enough 1's to go buy some bread or somthing
[21:34:05] <kobach> lol
[21:34:32] <NCommander> michealpwalls, if you want to know real pain, try Windows Server 2012
[21:34:35] <kobach> i hear the trash man
[21:34:37] <michealpwalls> hah
[21:34:38] <kobach> but he was just here 2 hours ago
[21:34:44] <kobach> so im not sure whats happening
[21:34:45] <NCommander> Its like getting your balls stuck in a window without the possibility of rescue
[21:34:52] <kobach> NCommander: oh my
[21:35:05] <Cyprus> heh i run windows 2012
[21:35:14] <kobach> im sorry to hear that
[21:35:29] <NCommander> Cyprus, what's your address, I'll burn you whatever distro you want
[21:35:39] <Cyprus> rofl
[21:35:45] <Cyprus> it's my AD!
[21:35:55] <NCommander> Cyprus, Samba4 + LDAP + Kebreros
[21:35:56] <NCommander> DONE
[21:36:06] <kobach> lol
[21:36:14] <xlefay> .. NCommander will happily provide the documentation!
[21:36:16] <michealpwalls> ... Seriously I don't get fucking paid enough for this.
[21:36:18] <michealpwalls> LOL
[21:36:32] <Blackmoore> @nc yeah. uless you're talking about my friends micro brew with that name
[21:36:33] <NCommander> xlefay, no need, Canonical already wrote it for me!
[21:36:34] * NCommander ducks
[21:36:38] <Cyprus> i actually do run samba4 here, but only as a member box
[21:36:56] <NCommander> Cyprus, funny enough, the backend has plenty of kerberos and LDAP
[21:37:05] <NCommander> We even store the SSH keys in LDAP for maximium sexiness
[21:37:31] <Cyprus> we've had this conversation a few times now =P
[21:38:10] <NCommander> <NCommander> Cyprus, funny enough, the backend has plenty of kerberos and LDAP
[21:38:11] <NCommander> <NCommander> We even store the SSH keys in LDAP for maximium sexiness
[21:38:19] <Cyprus> lol
[21:38:24] <NCommander> Cyprus, there, I've got it in reserve for when you forget about it :-)
[21:38:31] * Cyprus sighs
[21:39:12] <NCommander> Cyprus, I sometimes have memory problems
[21:39:37] * NCommander goes to slashdot to read the best news on the net. You guys should go check it out
[21:39:44] * NCommander ducks
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[21:41:22] <kobach> wot
[21:41:28] <janrinok> hi kobach
[21:41:34] <kobach> hi janrinok
[21:42:52] <michealpwalls> I don't understand, 'cause Wikipedia says IE9 is from 2011... How can IT not be updating these machines? :/
[21:43:14] <kobach> i didnt know they had past ie9
[21:43:14] <NCommander> michealpwalls, its still supported
[21:43:27] <NCommander> michealpwalls, for WSUS, you need to go into a special section for IE
[21:43:38] <Cyprus> or, alternately, click yes to accept it
[21:43:44] <michealpwalls> Gah!
[21:43:47] <kobach> lol
[21:43:49] <Cyprus> most of the time its because of some app they don't want to move forward
[21:43:59] * NCommander hands michealpwalls some brain damage
[21:44:00] <Blackmoore> @micheal - it depends on the software at the workplace too. where i am we HAVE to use ie9 with our internal services. they will not work with FF or chrome.
[21:44:05] <Cyprus> bingo
[21:44:12] <NCommander> IETab to th rescue
[21:44:14] <Cyprus> my guess is it's not by accident
[21:44:14] <NCommander> At my old job
[21:44:15] * SN passes out brain damage to #soylent
[21:44:17] <michealpwalls> BUt what's crazy is... The faculty (Employees of the college..) have IE9 when they log-in but students have IE10 :/
[21:44:22] * NCommander notes he gets paid to work with Linux :-)
[21:44:39] <michealpwalls> So frustrating
[21:44:46] <kobach> Blackmoore: sounds like you need internal services that arent from 1998
[21:44:47] <Blackmoore> and we may not LIKE it, but at leaast the damn app no longer requires IE6
[21:44:55] <michealpwalls> Iunno.. I've been doing all my testing against IE10...
[21:45:14] <michealpwalls> And learn only today (Pretty much done...) that IE9 is widespread and oh my you need to see how completely broken it is in IE9 :(
[21:45:44] <kobach> or just use firefox and make everyone switch to a browser that uses standards
[21:45:48] <kobach> idk
[21:45:51] <kobach> :p
[21:45:52] <Blackmoore> @kolbach you arent far off.. hell we have a system that goes back to the 80's
[21:45:59] <michealpwalls> Nah I'm so low on this totem pole I can't tell anybody to switch to anything LMAO
[21:46:07] <kobach> cant means you dont want to
[21:46:16] <michealpwalls> LOL!
[21:46:17] <kobach> you just have to walk up to them
[21:46:22] <kobach> "this shit is fucked"
[21:46:25] <kobach> then walk away
[21:46:28] <michealpwalls> hahaha
[21:46:31] <Blackmoore> oh he CAN tell them. they will just ignore him
[21:46:34] <kobach> ^
[21:46:51] <NCommander> michealpwalls, you should join us, we tested the suite in NCSA Mosaic :-)
[21:46:55] <kobach> annoy them enough, either it will get fixed or somthing bad will happen
[21:47:15] <Blackmoore> or you get canned. sometimes change is good
[21:47:26] <NCommander> Blackmoore, change brought us beta
[21:47:27] <NCommander> change--
[21:47:27] <SlimShady> karma - change: -1
[21:47:28] <kobach> indeed, sometimes change is good
[21:47:38] <NCommander> OH GOD, kobach SAID BETA WAS GOOD
[21:47:40] <NCommander> RUN!
[21:47:42] <kobach> no
[21:47:42] <NCommander> beta--
[21:47:42] <SlimShady> karma - beta: -18
[21:47:45] <NCommander> ...
[21:47:47] <kobach> we were talking about him getting fired
[21:47:47] <kobach> :p
[21:47:54] <NCommander> Ok, how does beta have more karma than poutine-- :-P
[21:48:10] <kobach> because beta isnt actively annoying
[21:48:12] <kobach> its passive
[21:48:21] <xlefay> kobach, oh well, in that case all he has to do is put beta as the global front page!
[21:48:24] <kobach> you have to go there for it to be annoying
[21:48:37] <kobach> we're already here, and an annoyance came along
[21:48:38] <NCommander> .... I know what we're doing for 04/01/2015
[21:48:40] <NCommander> BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[21:48:46] <xlefay> uh oh
[21:49:02] <michealpwalls> 2 weeks ago if I was told "Hey bro, make the site work in IE9" it wouldn't be an issue..
[21:49:06] <michealpwalls> Like, it's *done* ..
[21:49:10] <michealpwalls> *starts to cry*
[21:49:19] <NCommander> michealpwalls, it could be worse. It could be Ubuntu
[21:49:21] * NCommander ducks
[21:49:23] <michealpwalls> haha
[21:49:30] <michealpwalls> No that would be better!
[21:49:35] <michealpwalls> That would hafe FF as the default browser. BAZINGA!
[21:49:36] <NCommander> !grab michealpwalls
[21:49:36] <SlimShady> Added quote 90
[21:49:47] <Blackmoore> @nc tur that - but i was talking about harrassing coworkers and the IT staff
[21:49:58] <NCommander> michealpwalls, meh, just go with Iceweasel
[21:50:10] <NCommander> michealpwalls, 99% firefox, %1 wrong user agent to fuck shit up
[21:50:19] <michealpwalls> hahaha
[21:50:59] <michealpwalls> Poor UserAgent... The road to hell, etc.
[21:51:00] <michealpwalls> :P
[21:51:06] <NCommander> michealpwalls, I've learned the only way to deal with crap is to learn to laugh
[21:51:11] <NCommander> I've been laughing mad for two months
[21:51:12] <michealpwalls> touche
[21:51:13] <NCommander> hahahahahahahahaha
[21:53:09] <michealpwalls> I really don't know how I will fix these stupid JQuery dialog boxes. Probably have to write them myself. The JS is injecting an anchor element with the text "Close" that the IE9 users see and try to click on... Which brings them to the bottom of the page (leaving the dialog open...) (facepalm)
[21:53:28] <michealpwalls> So funny
[21:53:37] <michealpwalls> The humor is ripe, now that I think about it :P
[21:53:39] <janrinok> cheers guys - cu tomorrow
[21:53:47] <kobach> oh my
[21:53:49] <kobach> cya janrinok
[21:53:57] <michealpwalls> Take care, jan :)
[21:54:04] <janrinok> thx
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[21:54:29] <michealpwalls> Oh man! Stupid Dean's Council! Gaaah!
[21:54:32] <michealpwalls> brb
[21:54:48] <kobach> deans council?
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[21:55:02] <kobach> like the board of directors for the milk company?
[21:55:04] <kobach> :p
[21:55:44] <Blackmoore> o.o
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[22:00:37] <kobach> hmm
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[22:15:28] <kobach> ahh shit
[22:15:33] <kobach> there goes our view into the universe
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[22:23:07] <Blackmoore> ;/ Kolbach.. can we send out a kerbal?
[22:23:41] <SoyCow3870> Who would be the powers that be to mention a SAN blowup about mod points?
[22:27:15] <Cyprus> major prefix hijacking going on in Taiwan atm
[22:32:52] <Blackmoore> @soycow - both mattie and NC are about.
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[22:37:51] <kobach> and im not
[22:37:55] <kobach> so dont bug me about it
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[22:41:49] <Blackmoore> *Blackmoore still has no clue who does what around here*
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[22:42:38] <paulej72> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:46:21] <Blackmoore> thanks paul.. the link at the top is taking me to http://sylnt.us
[22:46:56] <kobach> where the fuck is funpika
[22:47:03] <kobach> someone needs to add my timezone to the wiki
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[22:49:23] <paulej72> kobach: there is no timezone for where you live :)
[22:49:28] <kobach> ok
[22:49:33] <kobach> i think you're thinking of xlefay
[22:49:45] <paulej72> that dimention does not use timezones
[22:49:45] <kobach> i have a somewhat normal sleeping schedule
[22:49:53] <kobach> lol
[22:49:57] <kobach> the bacon dimension
[22:50:03] <kobach> [dramatic music]
[22:50:25] <paulej72> is that like the twilight zone?
[22:50:29] <kobach> i think so
[22:50:34] <kobach> its a spinoff series
[22:51:12] <paulej72> now that episode with the girl in the face bandages makes more sense as a spinoff episode
[22:51:21] <kobach> it in color though, only 3 though
[22:51:25] <kobach> you have black, white, and red
[22:51:28] <kobach> so you can get bacon color also
[22:51:53] <kobach> basically its the twilightzone with colored bacon
[22:52:02] <paulej72> just say bacon colored as it has black white and red if done right
[22:52:16] <kobach> indeed
[22:52:24] <kobach> bacon can indeed be all those colors
[22:52:34] <kobach> jowl is somthing you want to have more black than bacon
[22:52:55] <kobach> though
[22:52:57] <kobach> *
[22:53:36] <kobach> also i must say i do like the fact that a much higher % of the SN population is non-us
[22:53:41] <paulej72> extra cripsy
[22:53:43] <kobach> vs /.
[22:53:56] <kobach> yes extra crispy is how you want jowl
[22:54:10] <kobach> because unless you cooked it too long it should still be chewy on the inside
[22:54:15] <kobach> and delicious
[22:54:35] <kobach> "chewy" being a term relative to rock hard carbon
[22:54:54] <kobach> so its not chewy like gum
[22:55:02] <kobach> just chewy like normal bacon
[22:55:14] <kobach> but looks almost burnt on the outside
[22:55:18] <kobach> deliciousness
[22:55:25] <kobach> wheres my jowl pic
[22:55:36] * kobach checks
[22:56:57] <xlefay> kobach, tz?
[22:58:31] <kobach> ?
[22:58:38] <xlefay> for the wiki
[22:58:47] <kobach> us/central
[22:58:55] <kobach> might want to tell #wiki its been handled if you're doing it
[22:59:02] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[22:59:02] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 202
[22:59:05] <xlefay> already done, and the wiki bot will let them know
[22:59:13] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[22:59:17] <xlefay> hi
[22:59:20] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:59:20] <SlimShady> karma - coffee: 7
[22:59:32] <kobach> ok
[22:59:41] <kobach> i swear to fuck flickr is the most fucking complicated website in the world
[22:59:47] <crutchy> there's a wiki bot?
[22:59:48] <kobach> im moving all my pictures onto tinypic
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[23:00:37] xlefay changed topic of #Soylent to: https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
[23:00:49] <crutchy> kobach... tried picaso?
[23:00:51] <xlefay> kobach, you checked the whowho's?
[23:00:58] <crutchy> i haven't but a bloke i work with swears by it
[23:01:04] <xlefay> crutchy, yea in #wiki, it announced wiki updates and all
[23:01:18] <crutchy> mkay
[23:01:21] <crutchy> cool :-)
[23:02:17] <crutchy> get involved link not working very well
[23:02:49] <kobach> xlefay: no im busy being pissed at this shitass website that gets more and more impossible to use every time i try to go there
[23:03:09] <xlefay> kobach, check it out, surely it'll brighten your day
[23:03:20] xlefay changed topic of #Soylent to: https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always.
[23:03:35] <paulej72> someone fixed the links in the wiki, but did not have Landon update the shortener links
[23:03:35] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org > http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[23:03:41] <crutchy> lol working now?
[23:03:51] <crutchy> hahaha
[23:03:53] <crutchy> yeah
[23:04:42] <crutchy> first one kinda looked like a mod rewrite link or something
[23:04:52] <xlefay> Actually, the second one is mod_rewrite
[23:05:06] <xlefay> the first one without mod rewrite, hence the index.php/
[23:05:14] <Blackmoore> both work for me now
[23:05:19] <kobach> xlefay: as much as i hate the current state of this country, i still think abbreviations deserve to be capitalized :p
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[23:05:28] <crutchy> never used a / after .php
[23:05:31] <crutchy> before
[23:05:38] <crutchy> but i also never use mod_rewrite either :-P
[23:05:41] <kobach> lol
[23:05:45] <kobach> but yes nice
[23:05:46] <xlefay> crutchy, not sure how they did that either not that I really care tho :P
[23:05:48] <xlefay> kobach, such as?
[23:05:49] <kobach> CBO
[23:05:52] <xlefay> LOL
[23:05:54] <kobach> such a US
[23:05:55] <crutchy> true
[23:05:59] <kobach> as*
[23:06:12] <kobach> also, should capitalize first letters of title
[23:06:21] <kobach> Chief Bacon Officer
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[23:06:30] <xlefay> Fixed!
[23:06:30] <crutchy> i learn as much about server shit as i need to, and then get back to scribbling jibberish
[23:06:52] <kobach> do titles count as proper nouns?
[23:07:16] <xlefay> No clue, it's English, everything's wrong anyway
[23:07:24] <kobach> :p
[23:07:38] <crutchy> i before e except for the exceptions or whenever you don't feel like it
[23:07:47] <kobach> ^
[23:07:54] <crutchy> s/except/except after c, except/
[23:07:54] <SedBot> <crutchy> i before e except after c, except for the exceptions or whenever you don't feel like it
[23:08:17] <kobach> lol you still didnt capitalize US but oh well
[23:08:19] <kobach> people will figure it out
[23:08:39] <kobach> "what does it mean we central?"
[23:08:47] <kobach> :p
[23:09:02] <xlefay> man
[23:09:10] <kobach> lololollo
[23:09:12] <xlefay> capitalizing us is way to much work, who cares about it anyway
[23:09:24] <xlefay> It's just some place out there in the middle of nowhere
[23:09:30] * kobach slaps xlefay with a bit of dutch
[23:09:44] <crutchy> yOu CoUlD aLwAyS cHaNgE tHiNgS a BiT
[23:09:48] <kobach> ^
[23:11:35] <xlefay> woa
[23:11:38] <xlefay> mind blown
[23:12:27] <xlefay> Obviously, kobach is a bad influence on crutchy
[23:12:36] <crutchy> bacon++
[23:12:36] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 203
[23:12:44] <crutchy> wtf why is bacon so low?
[23:12:52] <weeds> crutchy: "i" before "e" except after "c" and when sounded like "a" as in neighbor and weigh, and especially in Wiedl (that's me ;)
[23:12:53] <crutchy> oh wrong chan :-P
[23:13:02] <xlefay> Because some people like to play god and downvote it ;)
[23:13:04] <crutchy> lol
[23:13:15] <xlefay> .. kobach will know what I mean =p
[23:13:45] <kobach> lol
[23:14:00] <kobach> crutchy: landon and NCommander dont like bacon
[23:14:02] <kobach> thats why
[23:14:18] <xlefay> ... !baconeers
[23:14:30] <kobach> lol
[23:14:41] <xlefay> So how are you guys anyway?
[23:14:59] <kobach> dunno
[23:15:09] <kobach> hungry, so brb
[23:15:10] <xlefay> I recall I was going to do something after I returned from dinner which was hours ago but I can't quite remember what I was going to do...
[23:15:16] <kobach> time for meds anyway lol
[23:15:23] <xlefay> k, enjoy'
[23:15:25] <crutchy> i gotta go to work in about 20 mins, so meh :-/
[23:15:38] <xlefay> I'll 'meh' along
[23:15:39] <crutchy> coffee is good though
[23:15:44] * xlefay meh's
[23:15:45] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:15:45] <SlimShady> karma - coffee: 8
[23:15:59] <xlefay> yea, coffee's good
[23:16:07] <paulej72> xlefay: check the backlog
[23:16:31] <xlefay> paulej72, hmm, I'm tired; thinkin' about getting sleep instead
[23:16:36] <Blackmoore> coffee++
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[23:16:36] <SlimShady> karma - coffee: 9
[23:16:43] <xlefay> sleep++
[23:16:43] <SlimShady> karma - sleep: 0
[23:16:53] <xlefay> ^ no-one sleep here... why am I surprised?
[23:17:03] <xlefay> s/I/I not/
[23:17:03] <SedBot> <xlefay> ^ no-one sleep here... why am I not surprised?
[23:17:52] <crutchy> i sleep for a few hours
[23:18:02] <crutchy> what really sucks is waking up 10 mins before alarm
[23:18:21] <xlefay> paulej72, I'll check it later or I'll just wait till someone reminds me, I don't recall it being important enough otherwise I would have written it down
[23:18:21] <crutchy> total killjoy
[23:18:47] <xlefay> crutchy, oh man, that's the worst isn't it
[23:19:19] <xlefay> exactly at that moment, 10 minutes are like an eternity
[23:19:30] <paulej72> xlefay: you were talking to mechanicjay earlier about some suff in staff could that have been it
[23:19:52] <xlefay> paulej72, nah, that was about docs; this was about something else, shortly after the nickname field is missin' issue
[23:19:55] <crutchy> i read something to do with the signup page breaking?
[23:20:13] <xlefay> ooh, paulej72, yeah you know the "Soylentnews is people" text?
[23:20:25] <paulej72> yes xlefay
[23:20:49] <xlefay> Well, wouldn't it be nice if there was an issue and you can use that space to show a quick update? e.g. "Sorry folks, the register page was borked; it's fixed now!"
[23:21:26] <paulej72> crutchy: NCommander removed the nickname field from the new user form and I signed off on it, neither of us caught the mistake
[23:21:29] <xlefay> Unfortunately, I said I would update it but.. my mind was thinking of pancakes obviously, I can't because I don't know what shit I'd put there to make it dynamic (e.g. how that all works in slash)
[23:21:54] <crutchy> well pancakes are more important
[23:21:56] <xlefay> Can you look into functionality like that?
[23:22:16] <xlefay> Who cares about the site when there are pancakes?!
[23:22:21] <paulej72> HeadMessage where the nagger lives is a better space for this, did you want someithng up now xlefay
[23:23:12] <paulej72> or was this a fature request
[23:23:32] <xlefay> paulej72, no, but I thought it would be useful for future situations, e.g. when someone "accidentally" replaces the site with images of bacons, we could put text there like "Sorry folks, the bacon issue is resolved!"
[23:23:41] <xlefay> Obviously, that wouldn't be an issue, but you get the idea
[23:24:36] <paulej72> xlefay: I’ll need to add this in as part of the update to the headMessage template
[23:24:58] <xlefay> Yes, that'd be useful for future situations
[23:25:39] <xlefay> Just make sure, kobach can't access it or it'll have messages like "Send bacon to <his address>" and the likes
[23:27:03] <paulej72> xlefay: it would require a var change and an apache kick to make an update, but that would be quicker than other methods of doing this.
[23:27:26] <xlefay> http://dailybacon.org 217' comments, nice!
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[23:27:44] <crutchy> framework/mod dependencies bad
[23:28:02] <paulej72> xlefay: i have not seen any presentaion issues with that article
[23:28:03] <Blackmoore> pancakes++
[23:28:03] <SlimShady> karma - pancakes: 1
[23:28:12] <crutchy> pancakes++
[23:28:12] <SlimShady> karma - pancakes: 2
[23:28:43] <xlefay> paulej72, surely that can be done more easily? e.g. a db entry which you can control via the admin cp? Something along the lines of [% if error; %] in the template?
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[23:29:34] <xlefay> I only have it if I don't use Nested but meh
[23:29:42] <paulej72> xlefay: yes that how I would do it, but any var updates require apacche to be kicked. I think it may have something to do with memcache
[23:29:45] <crutchy> paulej72: everyone misses stuff. at work sometimes i find a mistake in my comps that have been independently checked and signed off. people judge generally not by the mistakes you make but by how you deal with them
[23:30:19] <xlefay> paulej72, ah of course, because we don't query the DB every time, we just use memcached to hold that shit'
[23:30:22] <SlimShady> [SoylentNews] - Inter-species Communication Inches Closer - http://sylnt.us - so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish
[23:31:12] <xlefay> crutchy, offering bacon often helps forgiveness to!
[23:31:31] <paulej72> crutchy: the issue was I signed off on the code by looking at it only, If we did a live test on it, it would have been obvius that we broke it. It was a single line deletion to remove the check nick link
[23:32:07] <crutchy> bacon++
[23:32:07] <SlimShady> karma - bacon: 204
[23:32:17] <xlefay> paulej72, what's even worse.. it's obviously visible on dev
[23:32:20] <xlefay> we just didn't look
[23:32:44] * xlefay notes he was somewhat complicit.
[23:32:44] <crutchy> i guess it's important that whoever makes changes document EVERY change so that the checker can be sure to check
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[23:33:03] <crutchy> kind of along the lines of the one change per commit thing
[23:33:07] <xlefay> I notified NC about the issue of the checker still not working.. but after it was said to be removed I never checked again
[23:33:19] <paulej72> xlefay: I am not sure when I applied that code to dev, but it probably was before the live deploy
[23:33:32] <kobach> hi
[23:33:33] <xlefay> paulej72, a few hours before the deploy
[23:33:43] <kobach> rofl
[23:33:55] <crutchy> i probably also would allow too many changes to build up on dev before going live either
[23:34:01] <xlefay> The biggest issue however, was haste.
[23:34:04] <crutchy> s/would/wouldn't/
[23:34:04] <SedBot> <crutchy> i probably also wouldn't allow too many changes to build up on dev before going live either
[23:34:52] <xlefay> Nah, the objective was to get stuff released on 1 april, that's why they were hacking away quite hard @ hours before, lot's of stuff went right (kudos for that)
[23:34:59] <crutchy> users are always the best at finding bugs
[23:35:07] <paulej72> crutchy: NCommander wants to do releases to production every 2 months, unless it is a necessary and big fix which will be done as needed
[23:35:11] <xlefay> I'd say, one mistake compared to everything that went right is rather insignificant.
[23:35:25] <kobach> lol
[23:35:26] <kobach> ^
[23:35:27] <xlefay> paulej72, you do probably want to backport that fix though..
[23:36:06] <paulej72> xlefay: is has been baclported we need to forward port it
[23:36:10] <crutchy> actually users can be frustratingly efficient at finding bugs
[23:36:14] <xlefay> paulej72, http://dev.soylentnews.org
[23:36:16] <crutchy> :-P
[23:36:18] <xlefay> honestly..
[23:37:02] <xlefay> The fix was implemented on production but hasn't been backported. ugh, that's the Xth time I've mentioned that today
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[23:37:53] <crutchy|work> cyas later
[23:37:55] <xlefay> I can see this happening, the bug being ported back to production because it was assumed to be fixed in dev too. That's why I keep sayin' push that fix to the repo, deploy it to dev; and all 's good
[23:37:55] <paulej72> techincally dev is now on 14.06 since we have deployed 14.04 the backport happend on production
[23:38:41] <paulej72> I will make the change right now and sumbit the pull
[23:39:19] <kobach> lol
[23:39:22] <xlefay> Thank you!
[23:39:59] <xlefay> I would've done it but I haven't gotten the slightest clue where to find it
[23:40:27] <kobach> lol
[23:40:31] <kobach> im glad you guys know what you're doing
[23:40:57] <kobach> neat
[23:41:04] <kobach> ssh kept that session open
[23:41:11] <kobach> good
[23:41:17] <kobach> more incentive for me to work on the bot after im done eating
[23:41:44] <kobach> s/work/figure out what im doing/
[23:41:44] <SedBot> <kobach> more incentive for me to figure out what im doing on the bot after im done eating
[23:42:03] <Blackmoore> @crutchy tis true
[23:42:32] <xlefay> kobach, dare I ask, what are you doing 'on' the bot?
[23:43:07] <xlefay> & enjoy your food ;)
[23:45:41] <kobach> xlefay: trying to make it work
[23:45:58] <kobach> :p
[23:46:22] <xlefay> aah, I've found hammers to be extremely effective in situations like that.
[23:46:52] <Blackmoore> and chainsaws
[23:47:03] <xlefay> Only, if a bigger hammer doesn't work.
[23:47:24] <Blackmoore> *whistling the anvil chorus*
[23:47:33] <xlefay> Remind me again why I installed 'sl' -.-
[23:50:34] <paulej72> xlefay: NCommander did an out-of-band emergency fix to the login issue which he committed directly to the github repo
[23:50:50] <paulej72> therefore is it is already fixed.
[23:51:14] <xlefay> I didn't see that commit :'o
[23:51:24] <xlefay> Obviously I missed it, sorry about that
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[23:52:16] <paulej72> It is not in the pull requests as he commited direclty. It is one back from the head
[23:52:31] <xlefay> paulej72, yeah I know he fixed it; I was afraid it would be forgotten and we'd end up with it again.. | and that's why I missed it ;)
[23:56:17] <paulej72> https://github.com
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[23:56:55] <michealpwalls> hey sorry for swearing earlier. IE makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes :/
[23:57:18] <Blackmoore> @micheal we understand.
[23:57:24] <kobach> fuck swearing
[23:57:26] <xlefay> michealpwalls, fuck IE
[23:57:29] <michealpwalls> LOL
[23:57:32] <kobach> fuck ie
[23:58:22] <xlefay> Although, IE 10 should make your life a whole lot easier, I wouldn't recommend installing it for your users, you might find it'll please them too much.
[23:58:58] <michealpwalls> Anyone know off th top of their head what distro of windows shipped with IE9? Maybe vista?
[23:59:13] <kobach> i want to say 7
[23:59:18] <michealpwalls> Need to find a quick way to get IE9 in a VM for testing.. Enough complaining, need to just start figuring this crap out
[23:59:18] <xlefay> think it was 7 or so
[23:59:27] <michealpwalls> oh cool that's easy!
[23:59:27] <kobach> iirc 7 came with ie7 or 8
[23:59:30] <xlefay> michealpwalls, think microsoft has ready to use VMs for that nowadays
[23:59:41] <xlefay> Ones you can download for free.. or so they say
[23:59:43] <michealpwalls> Ohhhh really?! That would be a dream
[23:59:45] <kobach> lol
[23:59:48] <kobach> "free"
[23:59:57] <michealpwalls> *googling*