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[00:08:33] <Alberto> fuck kobach
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[00:39:23] * arti o.o
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[00:41:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CO2-based Geothermal 10x More Efficient - http://sylnt.us - Passing-the-Gas
[00:45:10] <Alberto> sup arti!
[01:04:31] <Alberto> xlefay, great attitude boy
[01:07:42] <Alberto> xlefay, thats right, don't say anything moron
[01:08:25] <xlefay> Alberto, ## is my channel - and I don't give a shit about people spamming it as much as you do. If you want to spam a channel, go make your own. ## is _no_ longer the place to do that.
[01:08:40] <Alberto> you are a fucking kid
[01:08:50] <Alberto> put your channel in the middle of your ass
[01:08:59] <Alberto> thanks for show me how moron you are
[01:09:00] <Alberto> fuck you
[01:09:03] <xlefay> Says the one who spammed the channel for 3 or 4 hours straight yesterday ;-)
[01:09:08] <Alberto> AND?
[01:09:13] <Alberto> You did the channel for that
[01:09:19] <Alberto> and if you are not the one spamming is bad?
[01:09:36] <Cyprus> are we seriously arguing over getting banned from someone's side channel?
[01:09:38] <Alberto> we are getting fun and you act like an idiot
[01:09:46] <Alberto> Yes
[01:09:48] * xlefay sighs
[01:09:53] <Alberto> he did a channel where we spam
[01:09:58] <Alberto> and we are playing a bacon fight
[01:10:04] <Alberto> and this moron bans me just "bcz"
[01:10:09] <Alberto> "i did the channel" bla bla bla
[01:10:11] <Alberto> moron
[01:10:28] <Cyprus> i've been called out for spam in that channel playing with sedbot
[01:10:31] <Cyprus> it's not a spam channel
[01:10:39] <Cyprus> it's a non work / soylent channel
[01:10:47] <Alberto> ur wrong
[01:10:56] <Alberto> i was there when was created
[01:11:05] <Alberto> we spam and fith over karma
[01:11:08] <xlefay> No, he isn't. The "spamming" stuff started as a joke; not a serious subject
[01:11:11] <Alberto> and talk and hide from poutine
[01:11:14] <xlefay> Now, please get over yourself
[01:11:32] <Alberto> xlefay, no problem men, you can put the channel in the end of where you know
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[06:01:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Darth Vader for President - http://sylnt.us - dark-side-welcoming-committee
[06:04:41] <mattie_p> wow, we couldn't have saved this one for two days?
[06:10:45] * mrcoolbp shrugs
[06:12:03] <mattie_p> mrs mattie_p says no one would believe it in two days, better to run it now anyway
[06:22:36] <drgibbon> why two days?
[06:23:14] <mrcoolbp> april 1st drgibbon
[06:23:19] <drgibbon> haha ahh o
[06:23:20] <drgibbon> k
[06:23:46] <drgibbon> not such a big thing in Aus, forgot abut that
[06:23:49] <drgibbon> about
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[06:46:10] <chromas> Ooh, are there any plans for April first? Maybe invert the trim colors and write "beta"
[06:50:30] <mrcoolbp> we are thinking about running the server on a TI-83
[06:51:56] <mrcoolbp> ALL: we need story submissions, we are real low
[06:57:55] <drgibbon> maybe not quite enough moved over from /. ?
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[07:51:35] <NCommander> Say goodbye to moderator_or_post, you can now moderate AND post
[07:51:37] <NCommander> ^- everyone
[07:53:42] <mrcoolbp> possibly
[07:59:42] * Subsentient cheers
[08:02:06] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I don't think it's working yet....
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[08:59:52] <crutchy> g'day soylent
[09:05:00] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[09:05:09] <MrBluze> how u doin mate
[09:11:21] <crutchy> i'm good thanks mrbluze
[09:11:25] <crutchy> and u?
[09:12:10] <MrBluze> yep im good too
[09:12:21] <MrBluze> busy days but for some reason nothing terrible has happened for some time now
[09:12:32] <crutchy> touch wood
[09:13:00] <crutchy> my office is getting emptier
[09:13:34] <MrBluze> oh.. how so?
[09:13:48] <crutchy> guys going offsite
[09:14:01] <crutchy> contracted
[09:14:26] <crutchy> good for company i guess
[09:14:45] <MrBluze> oh..
[09:14:51] <MrBluze> probably good
[09:15:12] <crutchy> i opened my hotmail today after a few weeks
[09:15:50] <crutchy> i been spammed by soylent github
[09:16:03] <crutchy> friggin hundreds of messages
[09:16:16] <crutchy> well i didn't count
[09:16:22] <crutchy> but lots :-P
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[09:20:08] <crutchy> hi albert
[09:20:11] <alberto> crutchy, sup
[09:20:16] <alberto> howdy m8
[09:20:32] <alberto> how are you?
[09:20:56] <crutchy> i'm ok
[09:20:58] <crutchy> u?
[09:21:28] <alberto> join #
[09:21:33] <alberto> so talk a little there
[09:22:27] <crutchy> can't tal on ##
[09:22:33] <crutchy> s/l/lk
[09:22:33] * SedBot offers cretchy a /
[09:22:36] <crutchy> s/l/lk/
[09:22:36] <SedBot> <critchy> can't talk on ##
[09:22:43] <alberto> i mean
[09:22:45] <alberto> is #
[09:22:47] <alberto> not ##
[09:22:51] <alberto> just do a /join #
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[10:13:26] <Alberto> NCommander, are you there?
[10:13:33] <NCommander> Alberto, s
[10:13:38] * NCommander is writing posts for tomorrow
[10:13:46] <Alberto> Can you join # a second please?
[10:13:56] <Alberto> so i avoid spam non-soylent stuff here
[10:14:01] <Alberto> it will be fast
[10:15:16] <Alberto> NCommander, i send you a notice
[10:59:46] <crutchy> pretty quiet in here
[10:59:49] <crutchy> hmm
[11:01:28] <crutchy> Why Commenting Code Is Still a Bad Idea => http://visualstudiomagazine.com
[11:08:58] <crutchy> !updatestats
[11:09:15] <NCommander> crutchy, wow, if a site ever called for noscript, it was that one
[11:10:22] <crutchy> i didn't have any trouble with it, but yeah most js is stupid
[11:10:46] <crutchy> programmers trying to be artists, or some shit
[11:10:49] <Alberto> Thank god for AdBlockPlus
[11:10:50] <Alberto> :p
[11:11:00] <crutchy> lol is that why i didn't have any trouble
[11:11:14] <crutchy> i use adblock edge, but same diff
[11:11:19] <MrBluze> edge is better
[11:11:36] <Alberto> never had issues with mine
[11:11:41] <Alberto> whats better on adge?
[11:11:44] <Alberto> edge*
[11:11:45] <MrBluze> abp is fine but it lets some ads through
[11:11:47] <crutchy> haven't seen a youtube ad for god knows how long :-D
[11:11:48] <MrBluze> and tracking
[11:11:59] <Popeidol> there are ads on youtube?
[11:12:01] <MrBluze> it's a monetized version, Alberto
[11:12:04] <crutchy> apparently
[11:12:06] <crutchy> :-P
[11:12:14] <Alberto> MrBluze, the chrome one
[11:12:17] <crutchy> they are what drove me to adblock
[11:12:18] <Alberto> i'm using that one
[11:12:31] <Alberto> sprintf(buf, "MODE %s +B\r\nJOIN %s\r\n", nick, chan); <-- getting an error there bcz my bot didn't join #
[11:13:00] <crutchy> wow that's some mighty fine jibberish you got there alberto :-P
[11:13:05] <MrBluze> oh okay
[11:13:10] <MrBluze> dunno if that is monetized or not
[11:13:29] <Alberto> fixed it
[11:13:35] <Alberto> sprintf(buf, "NICK %s\r\n", nick);
[11:13:50] <Alberto> replaced NICK with JOIN and changed nick x chan
[11:13:51] <Alberto> and done
[11:13:51] <Alberto> :D
[11:13:56] <MrBluze> its better to put delays in between commands also
[11:14:01] <MrBluze> several msec
[11:14:18] <Alberto> its the join part
[11:14:28] <crutchy> less likely to alarm the floodometer :-P
[11:14:38] <MrBluze> but probably xlefay will contradict me on that lol
[11:14:52] <crutchy> i haven't needed delays in my bots
[11:15:01] <crutchy> but i use globals :-P
[11:15:15] <Alberto> MrBluze, http://pastebin.ca
[11:15:47] <MrBluze> oo.. C
[11:15:49] <MrBluze> c++
[11:15:49] <Bender> karma - c: 15
[11:16:10] <Alberto> MrBluze, need to implement a simple "command" system
[11:16:14] <Alberto> want2help me there?! :P
[11:16:15] <Alberto> or crutchy
[11:16:31] <crutchy> i like c, but i can't get my head around that way of putting braces on the same line as other shit
[11:17:07] <MrBluze> u can just not put braces on the same line
[11:17:13] <MrBluze> and then your code will look like mine lol
[11:17:20] <crutchy> i had some dc troubles putting the read cmd in the while condition
[11:17:32] <crutchy> after about a minute or so
[11:17:40] <crutchy> not long enough for a ping pong dc
[11:18:02] <MrBluze> what kind of command system Alberto?
[11:18:12] <crutchy> launch command
[11:18:25] <crutchy> !blastoff!
[11:18:37] <Alberto> MrBluze, karma
[11:18:41] <Alberto> we need bacon++
[11:18:47] <crutchy> lol
[11:19:08] <crutchy> i was thinkiing about doing a little mini-bender for karma
[11:19:13] <crutchy> xlefay might hurt me though
[11:19:29] <crutchy> xlefay's alright
[11:20:29] <crutchy> i bought some bacon today
[11:20:40] <crutchy> 750g of it
[11:20:42] <crutchy> yumm
[11:20:55] <crutchy> rhindless too :-)
[11:22:20] <Alberto> got the pig farm
[11:22:26] <Alberto> means kg's of bacon
[11:22:31] <Alberto> just walking all over my farm
[11:22:31] <Alberto> :D
[11:22:53] <crutchy> "be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm"
[11:23:02] <crutchy> - brick top
[11:23:57] <MrBluze> oh
[11:24:12] <crutchy> wow arti's irc stats are looking a bit sad
[11:24:33] <crutchy> definitely over the honeymoon hump
[11:25:48] <Alberto> need2sleep
[11:25:53] <Alberto> 3 hours til work time
[11:25:54] <Alberto> lol
[11:25:57] <Alberto> see you later
[11:26:03] * Alberto will do his bot in brainfuck
[11:26:20] <crutchy> oooook
[11:26:30] <crutchy> have fun :-)
[11:26:42] <Alberto> crutchy, https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[11:26:44] <crutchy> cya alberto
[11:26:48] <Alberto> IRC bot in Brain Fuck language
[11:26:53] <crutchy> lol
[11:27:47] <crutchy> ....and that's why i became an engineer
[11:27:55] <Alberto> HAHAHAHA
[11:41:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Testing Finds Android More Stable than Apple iOS. - http://sylnt.us - What's-Windows-Phone?
[12:01:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Downtime Tonight: 02:00 UTC - http://sylnt.us - do-not-adjust-your-browser
[12:05:38] <xlefay> morning :)
[12:05:52] <crutchy> g'day xlefay
[12:05:56] <xlefay> MrBluze, delays in between aren't needed perse unless you don't parse the numerics & output from the IRCd correctly ;)
[12:06:02] <crutchy> how goes :-)
[12:06:13] <crutchy> lol like me :-P
[12:06:19] <xlefay> Oh you know, going to build that little qdb before getting real stuff done ;)
[12:06:29] <MrBluze> MrBluze: yeah, or unless there is flood protection in a channel
[12:06:44] <crutchy> except i get away without using delays just cos i'm awzome :-P
[12:06:59] <xlefay> MrBluze, yeah, in that context - delays or disregarding stuff is the proper way to go
[12:07:01] <crutchy> with my blowballs
[12:07:05] <crutchy> s/b/g/
[12:07:05] <SedBot> <crutchy> with my glowballs
[12:07:12] <xlefay> ha
[12:08:00] <crutchy> you making some kida bot that keeps track of quote votes or something xlefay?
[12:08:17] <crutchy> and posting top quotes to SN
[12:08:49] <xlefay> Not quite, it'll just be an interface where community members can up/down vote quotes; and yea, I hope - we can put them on the SN site as quotes eventually :p
[12:08:56] <xlefay> website, so to speak
[12:09:28] <crutchy> prospectacle has got me onto a voting bot
[12:09:44] <crutchy> nothing fancy but i wanna have a go at including his algo
[12:09:58] <crutchy> minus all the karma/spam bs
[12:11:02] <xlefay> Yeah, I've been looking at enabling a damn anti-flood function in Bender, want to get rid of excessive spamming
[12:13:22] <xlefay> You mean the one in his journal?
[12:14:31] <crutchy> sorry about that xlefay... i was party to that
[12:14:40] <crutchy> yeah the latest journal
[12:15:12] <xlefay> well you didn't do it for 30 minutes or 4 hours hours straight, now did you? :)
[12:16:01] <crutchy> don't think so
[12:16:09] <crutchy> i did it for a while though
[12:16:14] <crutchy> coffee++ that is
[12:16:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5
[12:16:17] <crutchy> :-P
[12:16:42] <xlefay> Then I won't be taking excessive (ban!) measures to stop you :P
[12:16:44] <xlefay> coffee++
[12:16:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 6
[12:17:02] <crutchy> i think i was quite lame on the bacon++ tally
[12:17:13] <crutchy> something like 200-odd
[12:17:21] <crutchy> or less
[12:17:54] * crutchy is making coffee right now :-)
[12:19:07] <MrBluze> late for coffee
[12:19:22] <xlefay> I don't care if you do it with a few people or just a few times in a row, but if you're seriously going to bacon++ for more than 15 minutes on your one you might find I will be less appreciative, after all ## is my channel :)
[12:20:01] <xlefay> MrBluze, or early depending on your TZ :P
[12:20:24] <MrBluze> lol yes
[12:20:31] <xlefay> Alberto++ now: https://raw.githubusercontent.com this, I can appreciate! The question is "does it really work?"
[12:20:31] <Bender> karma - alberto: 1
[12:21:24] <crutchy> yeah that's some bent up code
[12:21:32] <xlefay> how are you guys by the way? ;)
[12:21:32] <crutchy> kinda reminds me of forth
[12:21:58] <xlefay> It has a certain flair of neatness about it, but it's most definitely a brainfuck if you're actually writing in whatever it is
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[12:22:19] <crutchy> i'm good. how are you xlefay? how's the server monitoring stuff going?
[12:22:52] <xlefay> Quite well, I'm first going to the qdb stuff today and then look into puppet and the likes before continuing with other things :)
[12:23:05] <crutchy> if forth had sex with perl, i reckon that brainfuck language might pop out
[12:23:33] <xlefay> Or maybe, PHP is the spawn of those two?
[12:23:38] <crutchy> lol
[12:23:58] <crutchy> nah php is c having sex with... err..., perl maybe
[12:23:58] <xlefay> Did you ever hear of Zyper?
[12:24:08] <crutchy> nope
[12:24:09] <xlefay> Definitely C & Perl ;)
[12:24:24] <xlefay> Zephir*
[12:24:33] <xlefay> http://blog.phalconphp.com "introducing Zephir"
[12:24:36] <crutchy> oh yeah i think that name rings a bell
[12:25:16] <crutchy> oop... frameworks... *shudders*
[12:25:27] <crutchy> :-P
[12:25:31] <xlefay> Read on about Zephir though :)
[12:26:18] <crutchy> "let" sounds a bit silly
[12:26:20] <xlefay> I'm curious if it actually does as they say, might be useful in quickly writing some extensions
[12:26:23] <xlefay> it does eh
[12:27:01] <crutchy> "hmm we're making up a new language, but we want to be different to js... instead of var, lets use... err... let :-)"
[12:27:51] <crutchy> i do like the idea of declaring variables though
[12:28:04] <crutchy> that's one aspect of php that seems a bit loose
[12:28:22] <xlefay> excessively loose I'd say
[12:28:27] <crutchy> i don't mind a bit loose, but not declaring variables is too loose
[12:28:29] <crutchy> yeah
[12:28:53] <crutchy> especially coming from a delphi/pascal background
[12:29:38] <xlefay> The fun thing is, if you don't know C but you need a quick 'n dirty extension for php, Zephir will help you do that
[12:29:54] <xlefay> (although, of course, it's better to just learn C itself I suppose)
[12:29:54] <crutchy> maybe
[12:30:20] <crutchy> yeah i was just thinking that if i needed an extension to php i'd prolly just go with something like delphi :-P
[12:30:54] <crutchy> or i could just make part of an app in php and the other in delphi
[12:31:03] <crutchy> i've done a bit of that
[12:31:51] <xlefay> I see :P
[12:31:59] <crutchy> php on linux doesn't talk to access databases very well (though i've read that it might be possible)
[12:32:20] <crutchy> not that i like talking to access databases :-P
[12:32:46] <xlefay> oh.. access, well there is your problem! :)
[12:33:01] <crutchy> second that
[12:33:37] <crutchy> one of the best ways to gumm up a network
[12:33:51] <crutchy> put a big fat ms access database on a server
[12:34:46] <xlefay> no doubt
[12:34:59] <crutchy> watch the traffic when everyone's downloading entire tables to run jet queries :-/
[12:35:07] <xlefay> bah
[12:36:48] <crutchy> ooh
[12:37:02] <crutchy> i put the jug on but forgot about making my coffee :-P
[12:37:18] <xlefay> IRC will do that to you, same with tea
[12:37:29] <xlefay> You just made a nice cup of tea, ... and IRC happens
[12:38:12] <crutchy> you ok with me testing a bot in #test xlefay?
[12:38:15] <crutchy> no spam
[12:38:22] <crutchy> well, not intentional anyways :-P
[12:38:35] <xlefay> #test = for testing and spam, go right ahead
[12:38:46] <crutchy> maybe retarded programmer spam occasionally if i cock something up
[12:39:02] <xlefay> I don't care for anyone spamming as long as it's not in an SN channel or one of mine except for #test :P
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[15:21:13] <crutchy> lol i didn't even realise diego was a bender :-P
[15:21:27] <crutchy> how many other bots are in here?
[15:21:52] <crutchy> no wonder it's so bloody quiet
[15:21:54] <crutchy> :-P
[15:22:07] <weeds_> I am a real person, honest
[15:22:11] <crutchy> lol
[15:22:30] <crutchy> !turingTest(weeds_)
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[15:32:48] <crutchy> WB YOU BENDY THING YOU!!!
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[16:36:19] <Blackmoore> huh.
[16:36:31] <Blackmoore> i guess i can get in here when i'm at work
[16:38:12] <xlefay> ;)
[16:38:34] <mattie_p> hey, good morning, team #soylent, I hope the bacon and coffee is flowing today
[16:39:18] <n1> good afternoon
[16:41:34] <Popeidol> good evening.
[16:43:09] <mattie_p> I can't deal with time zones until after coffee
[16:43:27] <n1> its what ever time you think it is, somewhere.
[16:43:46] <n1> it might be 15:43 here but it feels more like 11:43
[16:44:17] <Blackmoore> well it's 5 oclock somewhere
[16:44:21] <n1> which means it's lunch time.
[16:44:28] <Blackmoore> ** tips into the rum**
[16:44:36] <n1> mmmm
[16:44:40] <n1> rum sounds better than lunch
[16:45:01] <Popeidol> 10:44 here: we are officially in brandy time
[16:45:06] <Popeidol> (pm)
[16:45:38] <mattie_p> irc 8:45am, could go for a bloody mary right about now
[16:46:04] <Popeidol> happy monday!
[16:47:34] <Popeidol> things are going to break and people are going to demand things from you in an unreasonably short space of time.
[16:47:57] <Popeidol> you will probably manage to upset your significant other in a way you do not understand nor have the energy to deal with.
[16:48:29] <Popeidol> children cry as you walk past.
[16:48:58] <Popeidol> your so-called friends secretly laughs at you behind your back.
[16:49:11] <Popeidol> but it's only four days until friday.
[16:52:15] <Blackmoore> Pope; if only i were so lucky. that's only 10% of each day
[16:52:35] <Blackmoore> but i do have Coffee.
[16:52:51] <Popeidol> Blackmoore: I toned it down because I was depressing myself
[16:54:03] <Blackmoore> i understand. and frankly it IS monday. we dont really need more than that do we.
[16:54:26] <Popeidol> exactly
[16:54:34] <Popeidol> on the plus side, guys: there are kittens
[16:54:39] <Popeidol> not here, but in general
[16:54:46] <Blackmoore> it is days like this when i want to write up a "business process simulator" and just set the PHB infront of it.
[16:54:59] <Blackmoore> and tell him to wach the office in "real time"
[16:55:11] <Blackmoore> and lock him in there
[16:55:22] <Popeidol> a low-tech holodeck
[16:55:41] <Popeidol> cardboard cubicles and mannequins
[16:58:14] <Blackmoore> nah - think rollercoster tycoon, but cubicles.
[16:58:48] <Popeidol> sim hospital...but not for hospitals
[16:58:55] <Blackmoore> right
[16:59:40] <Blackmoore> as much as I'd like to build a bunch of mannequins to fill in - the simulator is far more affordable
[17:00:21] <Popeidol> and as long as they cant see anybody else from their office, they probably wont notice the difference
[17:05:36] <Blackmoore> yup
[17:14:07] * n1 has fond memories of theme hospital
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[17:39:29] <michealpwalls> Hi :)
[17:39:34] <xlefay> hi
[17:39:41] <michealpwalls> How are things?
[17:40:37] <xlefay> it's monday :) you?
[17:41:18] <michealpwalls> Same. Can't get energy :(
[17:41:32] <michealpwalls> Just beeing lurking soylent and drinking coffee all morning (shh!)
[17:44:52] <xlefay> ha
[17:59:35] <Cyprus> i'm so dragging today
[17:59:53] <michealpwalls> Yea same
[18:00:12] <michealpwalls> The requirements of this project make my head hurt :(
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[18:12:59] <michealpwalls> Shaping up to be a nice day today (The weather, at least) :)
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[18:20:15] <zombender> [SoylentNews] - Costco Dumps 25 Tons of Peanut Butter in Landfill - http://sylnt.us - cant-make-profit-so-no-one-gets-benefit
[18:24:44] <michealpwalls> I commented about how I agree with Costco ;)
[18:26:50] <Titanium> i dont see a problem with dumping questionable food
[18:27:09] <n1> the food wasnt questionable from what i read
[18:27:16] <Titanium> it had broken seals
[18:27:49] <Titanium> they were not confident that it was safe to eat
[18:27:52] <michealpwalls> n1: But where did that claim originate? (That it was "safe")
[18:28:21] <Titanium> there is more than enough food to make everyone fat
[18:28:27] <Titanium> i dont see a problem with dumping
[18:28:47] <Titanium> get rid of any food that is questionable, there is already more than enough
[18:29:12] <n1> summary and article says court records and all parties agreed
[18:29:24] <n1> i havnt personally seen those documents, obviously.
[18:29:30] <michealpwalls> n1: But that's a quote from the Christian Science Monitor... Not from Costco, or the FDA.
[18:29:37] <michealpwalls> The FDA doesn't deem it safe... Costco doesn't, either.
[18:29:48] <michealpwalls> Hense why Costco is *paying* for it's verifiable destruction.
[18:30:02] <n1> where's the FDA's statement?
[18:30:03] <Titanium> if costco and fda deemed it safe...
[18:30:05] <n1> im looking for it now
[18:30:09] <Titanium> costoco would sell it
[18:30:16] <michealpwalls> The FDA's statement is in the shutting down of the entire factory...
[18:30:20] <michealpwalls> What more do you need from them? LOL
[18:30:46] <Titanium> here is an example of a company having standards
[18:30:51] <Titanium> and people complain?
[18:30:54] <michealpwalls> Yea, true..
[18:31:05] <Titanium> you want whatever crap gets past FDA to be shovled down your throat?
[18:31:51] <michealpwalls> I can see why people would knee-jerk, though. A lot of companies in my country (Tim Hortons, for one..) legitimately dump food. So when you hear about it, it gets you upset.
[18:32:05] <michealpwalls> But I read a lot about that particular case... Did you know that factory didn't even have hand-washing stations?
[18:32:50] <michealpwalls> And has had many many cases where they were cited for violations, told to correct, said they would but never did... Time and time again they lied, mislead and continued to make and sell dirty food until a large outbreak occured. hehe.. I'm totaly with Costco. Dump *all* their stuff, just to be safe.
[18:33:23] <n1> it does look like a no-win situation for costco
[18:33:23] <Titanium> people have some kind of irrational fear of wasting any food
[18:33:28] <n1> either way they'd get bad PR
[18:33:31] <Titanium> there is no shortage of food
[18:33:35] <michealpwalls> Yea, it's hard to navigate that bad PR water :O
[18:33:43] <michealpwalls> I wouldn't wanna be a Costco PR guy right now haha
[18:34:00] <Titanium> the way to win is to cease all relations with that chairty
[18:34:11] <n1> there's no shortage of food
[18:34:15] <Titanium> and buy them some peanut butter
[18:34:17] <n1> but there is a problem with the distribution of the food
[18:34:22] <Titanium> after that, dont send them anything
[18:34:32] <n1> we have enough food to feed everyone in the world, if we wanted to
[18:34:38] <n1> but there's not any profit in that
[18:35:07] <michealpwalls> It's like.. Option A): Give it away, hope nobody gets sick. If nobody gets see, we did the "right thing"... If people get sick, we are "cheap, evil company trying to save a buck" LOL... Or... B) Dump the food, look like "evil company, cares not of the people" the best is C) Continue to sit on this mountain of peanut butter and hope nobody notice... Wait, friggin' Christian Science Monitor!
[18:35:08] <michealpwalls> *facepalm*
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[18:36:31] <n1> seems like this is to be my first major "editor should be shot" story.
[18:36:41] <n1> wb mrcoolbp
[18:36:44] <michealpwalls> Hey it got people talking! :)
[18:36:54] <michealpwalls> Which is what it's all about, I think hehe
[18:36:56] <mrcoolbp> n1: thanks, only on for a few before work
[18:37:19] <michealpwalls> .. I'm on *at* work.. Bad workmanship here LOL
[18:39:16] <n1> well, if we were both doing what we should be doing, i might not feel so bad about the story :p
[18:39:56] <n1> if anyone does find any stories during their browsing today, please submit them. would be super awesome :)
[18:40:56] <michealpwalls> I'm always afraid to submit the "obvious" or "boring" story that everyone already read/talked about LOL
[18:41:20] <n1> its ok, i'll get the blame for posting it :p
[18:43:24] <michealpwalls> I wanted to post about a TED talk I watched that I thought was really profound and sparked a lot of thought.. Then again, maybe nobody but me cares haha. https://www.ted.com
[18:44:02] <michealpwalls> I think it was the most viable strategy for mimicking machine intelligence
[18:44:16] <n1> do a good write up on it
[18:44:24] <michealpwalls> s:/was/is
[18:45:22] <Alberto> xlefay, ur dead to me
[18:45:24] <Alberto> :)
[18:45:25] <mrcoolbp> michealpwalls: please don't be afraid to submit anything
[18:45:51] <Alberto> as kobach bcz cheating
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[18:50:07] <xlefay> Well, that's quite a severe reaction to getting banned in one non-SN channel because you were flooding bacon++ excessively.. but whatever makes you happy. Have a good day!
[18:51:31] <michealpwalls> There's a big marketing push for Bacon recently..
[18:51:38] <michealpwalls> Society makes no sense to me :/
[18:51:59] <n1> http://www.zerohedge.com
[18:52:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, that's kobach's doing
[18:52:17] <n1> big data saw all this bacon talk
[18:52:24] <n1> and marketing dept's responded
[18:53:11] <michealpwalls> chicken-before-egg :P
[18:53:24] <Alberto> xlefay, die slowly you bacon traitor
[18:53:25] <n1> it's marketing, doesnt have to make sense
[18:53:38] <n1> it selling more bacon is all that matters
[18:53:51] <michealpwalls> Touche...
[18:53:57] <Alberto> michealpwalls, what you prefer, drugs?
[18:54:20] <xlefay> Alberto, I would appreciate it if you were to let it go, if not, there's no need to wish me dead because I don't agree with four hour bacon++ floods, for instance.
[18:54:20] <michealpwalls> Alberto: I'm food agnostic? I don't see the fuss over any one particular source of protein :/
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[18:55:30] <kobach> its because bacon is the best source of protein, other than hempseed
[18:55:42] <Alberto> kobach, you cheater
[18:55:44] <Alberto> i win you
[18:55:49] <Alberto> and you have to edit the DB
[18:55:52] <Alberto> NOT FAIR!
[18:55:53] <michealpwalls> This porcine epidemic makes the most sense I've read all day... A biological catalyst that raises the price of pigs... So to take advantage, a marketing blitz accross the board to raise demand for these now-pricey-hogs?
[18:55:56] <kobach> nope
[18:55:58] <michealpwalls> Business sense!
[18:56:01] <kobach> dont care either
[18:56:06] <Alberto> also xlefay ban me from the BACON CHANNEL
[18:56:13] <Alberto> I HATE YOU! :P
[18:56:13] <kobach> yeah
[18:56:14] <Alberto> BOTH!
[18:56:14] <kobach> he did
[18:56:19] <kobach> after i did several times
[18:56:20] <kobach> lol
[18:56:46] <Alberto> Also you edit yourself
[18:56:48] <n1> someone is making very good money off it, michealpwalls
[18:56:58] <michealpwalls> +n1: That's for sure!
[18:57:21] <kobach> nah i buy from local farmers
[18:57:24] <kobach> no epidemic here
[18:57:34] <michealpwalls> Bah. Don't tell me you live in California?
[18:57:38] <kobach> fuck no
[18:57:44] <kobach> fuck california
[18:57:50] <michealpwalls> The whole Californian "100 mile diet" is a friggin' joke in my country. You'd damned well starve to death :P
[18:57:56] <kobach> whats a 100 mile diet
[18:58:16] <michealpwalls> Well, the idea started (Obv.) in California, where it makes perfect sense... To eat food only from a 100 mile radius of your home.
[18:58:16] <n1> im guessing everything has to be 'locally' sourced
[18:58:19] <michealpwalls> To eat "locally"
[18:58:31] <kobach> well thats pretty much what i do
[18:58:41] <kobach> no reason not to here
[18:58:48] <michealpwalls> But.. Lets say you live in a typical country, LOL, that would mean an extremely limited selection of fruits and vegetables..
[18:59:01] <kobach> im not sure what a typical country is
[18:59:07] <kobach> by number china is a typical country
[18:59:12] <michealpwalls> Because, well, you can't grow oranges and bananas everywhere. Climate's a funny thing like that :P
[18:59:19] <n1> the 100 mile radius of London does not give many options, especially if you're excluding the foreign countries that are within 100 miles
[18:59:27] <kobach> nobody said you had to eat oranges and bananas all year
[18:59:28] <michealpwalls> Thank you ^
[18:59:35] <michealpwalls> Or Toronto, Ontario in the middle of Winter :)
[18:59:38] <kobach> lol
[18:59:44] <kobach> i live in the midwest so it works here
[18:59:53] <n1> lets all move to the midwest!
[18:59:54] <n1> :p
[19:00:02] <michealpwalls> haha
[19:00:08] <kobach> of course every now and then ill buy bananas or oranges/juice
[19:00:38] <xlefay> Bacon flavored?
[19:00:39] <kobach> im one of those people that eat real food, yes
[19:00:44] <kobach> xlefay: possibly
[19:00:50] <xlefay> ha ;)
[19:00:52] <kobach> i still need to get peanut butter and bananas
[19:01:00] <michealpwalls> hehe I eat healthy for a "young person", at least that's what I'm told :P
[19:01:01] <kobach> i have bread now though!
[19:01:12] <n1> im out for a while
[19:01:16] <n1> take it easy folks
[19:01:20] <kobach> cya n1
[19:01:21] <michealpwalls> Cya!
[19:01:29] <xlefay> ciao n1 , take care!
[19:01:44] <michealpwalls> I tried to grow food on my balconi once
[19:01:48] <michealpwalls> THat was ridiculous..
[19:01:54] <michealpwalls> Programmers != farmers.
[19:02:05] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[19:02:06] <zombender> Added quote 74
[19:02:10] <xlefay> ain't that the truth!
[19:02:16] <michealpwalls> hehe!
[19:02:30] <michealpwalls> Basically... I provided fresh veggies for the local insect population for the summer.
[19:02:42] <kobach> see
[19:02:44] <kobach> start out small
[19:02:57] <kobach> eventually youll have enough to have a meal
[19:02:59] <kobach> and then etc
[19:03:39] <michealpwalls> They [insects] are so fast and cunning... They were constantly multiple steps ahead of me. When I would get ontop of one of them (The afids, for example) some other un-identified insect would just move in and take it's place :(
[19:04:14] <michealpwalls> Lost all my eggplants to some clear-skinned insect. Couldn't find it on google with confidence to identify what it was. Had a great idea for an app, though (Take a picture of an insect and identify it!)
[19:04:49] <michealpwalls> I think you're right, though... Start small, slowly grow as you learn
[19:05:24] <michealpwalls> I tried to basically do too many things and ended up contending with such a wide range of insects. The Time factor made it virtually hopeless for a beginner.
[19:05:37] <kobach> lol
[19:06:55] <michealpwalls> The other hypothesis I had was that, being in a city trying to grow veggies on an apartment building's balconi isn't the greatest of idea due to competition. I mean think about it... Just how many gardens could you imagine those insects have an opportunity to feast on? They seen mine and came from all over to compete with each other to eat it. I think I played a very small role in that whole
[19:06:56] <michealpwalls> thing :/
[19:09:49] <kobach> nah its perfectly possible
[19:09:54] <kobach> especially inside
[19:09:59] <kobach> have room inside?
[19:10:23] <kobach> google apartment gardening, youll get a bunch of results
[19:10:40] <michealpwalls> No room inside until I move
[19:10:46] <kobach> ahh
[19:10:46] <michealpwalls> 2 young boys :O
[19:10:50] <kobach> oh shit
[19:10:57] <kobach> hang those plants from the ceiling lol
[19:11:07] <michealpwalls> haha + a cat I called "George", from the Bugs Bunny 'n Tweety Show..
[19:11:13] <Blackmoore> you would be better off growing herbs than veggies
[19:11:14] <michealpwalls> haha that's actually a pretty good idea!
[19:11:18] <kobach> of course the best thing is to get them interested in gardening
[19:11:32] <kobach> herbs are super easy to grow in an apartment
[19:11:42] <Blackmoore> herbs take less room, and the bugs typically don't like tham as much
[19:11:43] <michealpwalls> Oh they really are. A lot of the garden was theirs. They had baby carrots and peas
[19:12:15] <michealpwalls> Was pretty cute. Something shriveled up the beans though, made them all dry out and go brown like they had no water (But they had water!)
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[19:13:06] <michealpwalls> There's more to it than I thought, that's for sure.
[19:13:21] <michealpwalls> I thought I could buy some pots and dirt, plant some seeds and be enjoying a life rich in veggies... :/
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[19:32:21] <Cyprus> theres more to it?
[19:32:39] <michealpwalls> hehe apparently!
[19:33:34] * Alberto has bacon seeds
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[19:40:14] <zombender> [SoylentNews] - Russia in Nuclear War Exercises - http://sylnt.us - nostalgia-for-the-cold-war
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[20:07:06] <janrinok> There are currently NO stories in the submission queue - please submit a story now!
[20:09:06] <kobach> HOLY SHIT
[20:09:07] <kobach> HOLY SHIT
[20:09:13] <kobach> EVERYONE
[20:09:17] <janrinok> hi kobach - hows things?
[20:09:23] * Cyprus throws a rock at kobach
[20:09:26] <kobach> FUCKING NEED STORIES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:09:31] <kobach> sup janrinok
[20:09:34] <kobach> not bad hows u
[20:09:36] * Alberto blames kobach
[20:09:37] <kobach> did it stop raining?
[20:09:45] <janrinok> OK, should be a quiet evening...:-)
[20:10:04] <janrinok> Yes - weather now good and relatively warm.
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[20:27:25] <Blackmoore> i'm trying. system is having me wait to submit story #2
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[20:38:38] <Blackmoore> now if I could only write a decent writeup. *(!#*&$%()@%*&
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[20:41:55] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I've got 3 of yours thx
[20:53:51] <Blackmoore> :)
[20:54:08] <Blackmoore> i really suck at this.
[20:55:20] <janrinok> no - I can use them, they're OK, in date, and better than some that I have seen!
[21:00:55] <michealpwalls> How does this work? Can I write mock articles and give them to somebody with better editing skills than me? I'm not a limelight kinda guy :P
[21:07:43] <janrinok> If you write genuine articles michealpwalls, I'll do my best to turn them into releasable stories. Hey, tha's what I do here...
[21:10:10] <michealpwalls> Deal!
[21:10:11] <michealpwalls> :)
[21:10:43] <michealpwalls> Is there an place I can submit them to you, or?
[21:15:06] <Blackmoore> I was just using the sumbit on the soylent site
[21:15:08] <janrinok> http://soylentnews.org is what you are looking for. As a minimum, give me a short summary and links to the relevant web pages. If you would like some personal feedback provide your email in the field on that page.
[21:15:16] <janrinok> michealpwalls:
[21:15:21] <janrinok> michealpwalls: ^^
[21:15:51] <Blackmoore> @janrinok - good to hear.
[21:16:11] <michealpwalls> Ohhh!
[21:16:40] <michealpwalls> So when I see "xxyyzz submits: "I hadda baby it's a boy"", xxyyzz submitted and then *you* posted that for them?
[21:17:03] <janrinok> yep - but hopefully on a slightly more technical subject! lol
[21:17:07] <michealpwalls> I thought it was pretty much automated... I.E: There are "editor" accounts that can post articles directly to the frontpage.
[21:17:14] <michealpwalls> haha janrinok
[21:17:17] <michealpwalls> Touche
[21:17:56] <Blackmoore> @janrinok -- i have another source for the NSA / RSA issue if you want to add http://arstechnica.com
[21:18:13] <janrinok> michealpwalls: no there are real people who spend their time converting the submissions into stories. We are the ones to be blamed for all of that sort of thing.
[21:18:48] <michealpwalls> Well gosh! That's *so* 1990s ;)
[21:18:55] <janrinok> lol
[21:19:05] <michealpwalls> I mean... "humans" doing work? Pfft..
[21:19:27] <michealpwalls> Kudos on the hard work, though. It must be tedius at times! :O
[21:19:27] <janrinok> Blackmoore: thx for the extra link
[21:19:52] <janrinok> It has its moments - not often, but enough...
[21:21:14] <janrinok> michealpwalls: why do I get the feeling that I've just been trolled.....?
[21:22:04] <kobach> oh my
[21:22:14] <michealpwalls> *gasp* not by me?! :P
[21:22:20] <janrinok> rofl
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[21:32:26] <weeds_> submitted story :)
[21:32:33] <janrinok> thx weeds
[21:33:21] <janrinok> weeds if it was the Turkey story it's going out now..
[21:33:35] <janrinok> and it on the front page
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[21:41:45] <MileyCyrus> [SoylentNews] - Turkey Hijacking Google, Level 3, and OpenDNS - http://sylnt.us - escalation-time
[21:45:10] <michealpwalls> Wow Turkey's government is cray cray :O
[21:46:03] <Blackmoore> AND - soylet says i'm done for today..
[21:46:31] <Blackmoore> let's see how many get rejected :P
[21:46:43] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I'm just finishing your last sub - thx - all going thru
[21:47:13] <janrinok> Blackmoore: ....with a bit of judicious editing here and there. ;-)
[21:49:08] <Blackmoore> um yes please. :P
[21:49:40] <Blackmoore> did anyone report the linux 3.14 Kernal release?
[21:50:33] <Blackmoore> http://kernelnewbies.org
[21:50:35] <janrinok> We reported what it would contain last week, but no-one is sub'ing the release story.
[21:51:05] <dx3bydt3> wow, submission queue is sparse today.
[21:51:30] <kobach> yes
[21:51:37] <Blackmoore> you're lucky I'm having a slow day
[21:51:39] <janrinok> lol - you can say that again! (but don't, it is only a figure of speech, I know how bad it is!
[21:51:56] <kobach> SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE HAS A CASE OF THE MONDAYS
[21:52:03] <kobach> lol
[21:52:05] <janrinok> I have that everday!
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[22:16:44] <weeds_> janrinok: :-) I hope it gets some dialog - even if just to say "they don't get it!"
[22:17:51] <kobach> hi weeds_
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[22:20:58] <Blackmoore> I'll Raise your "mondays" - today is a second EOM rush (so back to back OT for me to sit here and wait for crap to do)
[22:21:15] <Blackmoore> I'd rather be drinking on the job
[22:21:21] <kobach> lol
[22:23:37] <janrinok> weeds - it appears to have 2 comments saying just that!
[22:25:30] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I queued 3 of you subs and I am saving one in case the site update throws a wobbly - I want something waiting if people can't submit because of site downtime.
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[22:36:35] <janrinok> Time for me to go - hope the system update goes well. see you guys tomorrow!
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[22:43:57] <weeds_> kobach: howdy
[22:45:16] <weeds_> janrinok: Better than nothing (but not by much!) I'll keep looking...
[23:00:45] <MileyCyrus> [SoylentNews] - UN Court Orders Japan to Stop Whaling - http://sylnt.us - perfect-whale-sandwich-in-peril
[23:00:49] <Blackmoore> hmm.. Soyleny isn't letting me submit new articles (posted limit for day) but I cant see the link to the queue either
[23:02:33] <NCommander> Blackmoore, there's a queue limit?
[23:08:35] <crutchy> maybe a posting limit?
[23:08:42] <crutchy> per user per day
[23:08:51] <crutchy> anti-spam
[23:09:28] <crutchy> if there is it would seem to be set very low
[23:12:23] <paulej72> there is a submission limit function, I just need to find where it is
[23:14:10] <crutchy> slash: even better than where's waldo :-P
[23:15:01] <paulej72> max_submissions_allowed is set to 20
[23:15:23] <crutchy> lol is that a global setting or per user?
[23:15:31] <paulej72> global
[23:15:38] <crutchy> lol holy shit
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[23:17:26] <paulej72> crutchy: global, but a per user setting. Sorry I got confused about what you said
[23:17:42] <crutchy> ahh
[23:18:03] <paulej72> so each user as the same value
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[23:18:31] <crutchy> i don't think obfuscation works here alberto :-P
[23:18:46] <crutchy> your ip still shows up in the raw irc messages
[23:19:29] <crutchy> well, your ip is obfuscated but you prolly get my drift
[23:20:25] <crutchy> how you been anyway?
[23:20:41] <crutchy> you and xlefay don't appear to be on the best of terms
[23:21:46] <crutchy> hopefully everything is ok
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[23:24:15] <Blackmoore> @NC yeah, it looks like there is a submission limit of 6 articles in a day
[23:25:24] <Blackmoore> I can see that as an anti-spam measure
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[23:38:07] <NCommander> Blackmoore, that needs to die
[23:38:12] <NCommander> paulej72, ideas of where it lives?
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[23:39:05] <paulej72> NCommander: Trying to find it. the var in the database is max_submission_allowed, but I can’t find where it is being used
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[23:39:18] <NCommander> paulej72, there are vars that frequently AREN'T used
[23:39:19] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:40:09] <paulej72> That is what I am thinking. There is no limit and Blackmoore is just seeing things :)
[23:40:53] <NCommander> paulej72, easy way to test is to losoe admin privs on dev, and them spam the queue
[23:41:03] <NCommander> paulej72, though there's a 5 minute default between posts
[23:41:28] <paulej72> I am still trying to find the specific code that saves the sub to the db.
[23:43:25] <Blackmoore> Well, i can't say I haven't run into strange and odd errors on the web before. this kind of crap does happen to me.
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[23:52:14] <paulej72> god I hate bad coders sometimes: $messagesub->{subid} = $slashdb->createSubmission($submission);
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[23:53:34] <prospectacle> So that creates a submission and returns an id and assigns it to what? What is $messagesub->{subid}?
[23:53:59] <paulej72> the heavy lifting is bing done by createSubmission and returns a subid. I think that poor method of ding things
[23:55:27] <paulej72> prospectacle: yes it is. I really do not like that such a important job is basicly in an assigment operator.
[23:55:52] <Blackmoore> @NC - well then - glad to be of service. I was just looking to see if I had submitted 20 TOTAL but no, 5 today, and 12 total submissions so it shouldnt be that.
[23:56:21] <Blackmoore> it has to be the daily limit; OR limit per hour.
[23:56:31] <Blackmoore> if such a thing exists
[23:56:33] <paulej72> messagesub is used later to display some more data
[23:59:16] <prospectacle> paulej72, I think I see what you mean, it's not semantically clear. MessageId should have its own assignment statement, and then you can use it wherever needed, like assigning it to messagesub->subid or whatever.
[23:59:34] <paulej72> Blackmoore: there seems to be no limit set from what I can see. Are you getting a error message when trying to sumbit more