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[00:00:18] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - US Navy Bets on Hi-Tech Littoral Ships - http://sylnt.us - spend-billions-to-save-millions-in-a-few-years
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[01:01:02] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - WPA2 Wireless Security Cracked - http://sylnt.us - future-proof-security-until-next-week
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[01:21:33] <stderr> The DST stuff in Slashcode is broken... I have chosen the "+0100 Central European" time zone with automatic DST update, but the WPA2 article claims to have been posted at 01:55. It should be 00:55. DST doesn't start until ~40 minutes from now.
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[01:24:19] <stderr> Oh... It seems it has switched to DST for ALL timestamps. The "US Navy" article now says 00:54. I'm pretty sure that said 23:54 when I checked earlier.
[01:25:33] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: ^^^^^
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[01:26:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: stderr is reporting the TimeZones are screwy in slash?
[01:26:35] <NCommander> ^_ paulej72
[01:27:24] <crutchy> should be corrected to GMT-32
[01:27:30] <stderr> I just knew something would be buggy with those... Why use a table in a database for the DST settings instead of using the tzdata?
[01:27:37] <mrcoolbp> stderr, did you check your timezone settings in user panel? it seems to be okay for me...
[01:27:41] <stderr> crutchy: GMT-32? WTF?!
[01:27:52] <stderr> mrcoolbp: Yes, of course I did.
[01:28:04] <crutchy> that way i can go back in time and have my weekend all over again :-P
[01:28:26] <mrcoolbp> stderr: okay thanks
[01:29:21] <stderr> mrcoolbp: What timezone are you using?
[01:29:39] <mrcoolbp> EST/EDT
[01:30:01] <paulej72> slash stores the tz stuff in a table.
[01:30:55] <crutchy> it's not in the same tz as arti's stats generator thingy?
[01:30:58] <crutchy> !stats
[01:30:58] <PoeticWarlord> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[01:30:58] <stderr> mrcoolbp: DST does start in that timezone today. Maybe it was broken for you too when DST started at your place without anyone noticing?
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[01:31:09] * crutchy feels retro again
[01:31:15] <stderr> paulej72: Yes, that's what I said already...
[01:31:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yes, he is saying the +01:00 Central European is not working correctly (possibly due to DST)
[01:31:37] * crutchy puts on flare pants and a tie dyed shirt and cranks up beatles LP
[01:31:58] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: <+stderr> The DST stuff in Slashcode is broken... I have chosen the "+0100 Central European" time zone with automatic DST update, but the WPA2 article claims to have been posted at 01:55. It should be 00:55. DST doesn't start until ~40 minutes from now.
[01:32:04] * crutchy and celebrates man walking on the moon
[01:32:19] <paulej72> Yes I know what you are saying, but db updates in slash are not straight forward
[01:32:31] <crutchy> lol and crutchy sounds like he's been smoking too much choof... highly appropriate for the tz
[01:32:58] <stderr> paulej72: I would suggest not even using a database table for timezone stuff... They are NOT that simple...
[01:33:03] <paulej72> plus the dst info is very strange
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[01:33:24] <paulej72> can’t easily change that
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[01:33:50] <crutchy> isn't there a website that just spits out correct time for your offset? kinda like those external ip pages?'
[01:33:59] <crutchy> can just dump it with a socket
[01:34:00] <stderr> It only stores very simple rules for when DST starts and ends (last sunday of march -> last sunday of october for europe)
[01:34:13] <stderr> crutchy: tzdata-javascript.org
[01:34:33] <paulej72> +-------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+----------+----------+----------+-----------+
[01:34:34] <paulej72> | region | selectable | start_hour | start_wnum | start_wday | start_month | end_hour | end_wnum | end_wday | end_month |
[01:34:35] <paulej72> +-------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+----------+----------+----------+-----------+
[01:34:37] <paulej72> | America | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 10 |
[01:34:38] <paulej72> | Australia | 1 | 2 | -1 | 0 | 9 | 2 | -1 | 0 | 2 |
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[01:34:39] <paulej72> | Europe | 1 | 1 | -1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | -1 | 0 | 9 |
[01:34:40] <paulej72> | New Zealand | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 9 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 2 |
[01:34:41] <stderr> paulej72: It should never have been a table in the first place.
[01:34:41] <paulej72> +-------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+----------+----------+----------+-----------+
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[01:35:07] <paulej72> I did not write the code, I just have to deal with it.
[01:35:13] <crutchy> mkay
[01:35:22] <crutchy> looks a little more complicated than what i was thinking
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[01:36:05] <crutchy> i was thinking something like http://gettime.com?city=New+York
[01:36:13] <NCommander> paulej72, slashcode - lets reinvent the wheel and then make it square!
[01:36:36] <crutchy> square wheels have already been invented on mythbusters
[01:36:41] <stderr> paulej72: Yes, I have seen that table before... And it is like I said for Europe... month=2 => March (0=January) and month=9 => October. wnum=-1 => Last week of... wday=0 => Sunday...
[01:37:43] <stderr> crutchy: Check the demos... But anyway, that's javascript... For Slashcode it would be a lot easier to just use the right perl modules.
[01:37:45] * NCommander is making progress on this writeup, and strikes Oregon from the list of places we can incorperate in
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[01:37:50] <NCommander> *incorporate
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[01:37:55] <NCommander> Down to 49 states, YAY
[01:38:07] <crutchy> go hawaii
[01:38:13] <NCommander> Actually, it looks like New Hampshire might win this.
[01:38:23] <stderr> Go banana!!!
[01:38:41] <crutchy> new hampshire = home base for liberty movement, so yeah makes sense
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[01:39:38] <crutchy> g'day bytram,prospectacle
[01:39:52] <prospectacle> good day to you sir
[01:40:11] <prospectacle> i see you've been busy baking bots
[01:40:36] <crutchy> nah just spamming the bacon channel :-P
[01:40:42] <prospectacle> what do you run them on, just the php command line, some kind of compiler, or mod_php?
[01:40:49] <prospectacle> lol
[01:40:53] <crutchy> php -f
[01:41:05] <crutchy> shell yeah
[01:43:11] <prospectacle> I could be mistaken, but I think calling main from within main might cause stack problems. Like main can't return until it's finished, but before it finishes it must call main again, which must call main again...
[01:43:30] <crutchy> prolly
[01:43:32] <prospectacle> each time you call a function from within another function, you have to add another layer to the stack of functions that need to finish and return to the next level up.
[01:43:43] <prospectacle> A traditional approach is to have a while loop in the main function instead.
[01:43:54] <crutchy> ram usage hasn't been increasing though
[01:43:59] <prospectacle> that way you can do the same thing over and over again, without tempting a stack overflow.
[01:44:02] <crutchy> but yeah xlefay mentioned a while loop
[01:44:06] <prospectacle> oh good. Well maybe the compiler knows how to work around it.
[01:44:10] <prospectacle> i mean interpreter
[01:44:47] <stderr> DST stuff... http://soylentnews.org
[01:45:04] <crutchy> i'm not overly familiar with the proper way to do stuff
[01:45:17] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: <+stderr> DST stuff... http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:31] <prospectacle> crutchy, well what you're doing is called recursion. It's what you call it anytime a function calls itself. This is great for when you have (for example) a tree-list. You process each time on the tree, and if it has any sub-items, you process them, and if any of them have any sub-items, you process them.
[01:46:43] <NCommander> crutchy, it strongly stacks the deck in NH's favor, and I've got family there to boot
[01:46:43] <stderr> Will comment again on that journal in 15 minutes after DST have started...
[01:48:08] <prospectacle> crutchy: Each time you're like: function process_tree() {for each item { do_whatever(); subitems = are_there_any_subitems(); If (subitems) {process_tree(subitems);} }
[01:48:39] <prospectacle> crutchy, this means it calls itself, going one level down each time, until it finds no more subitems, then it comes back up, a level, and continues.
[01:49:00] <crutchy> prospectacle: yep
[01:49:03] <prospectacle> crutchy, the key here is that eventually finishes (finds a bottom level where it doesn't need to go down to another level of subitems), or else the stack will get full and you'll get a "Stack overflow"
[01:49:27] <prospectacle> crutchy, so generally the safest thing is not to have recursion unless you've got a clear end-condition or bottom level
[01:49:34] <stderr> prospectacle: Weird tree... You got multiple items at each node. Each with their own subtree?
[01:50:04] <crutchy> as long as the tree doesn't have prickles i don't mind
[01:50:17] <crutchy> like rose bushes... i fkin hate roses
[01:50:50] <prospectacle> stderr, yes the list has multiple items, each item might have subitems, each of those subitems might have its own subitems. Isn't this how a tree lists typically would work?
[01:51:07] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah they were just invented to give florists something to do.
[01:51:32] <stderr> Normally each node in the tree only have one item and the node can then have subnodes.
[01:51:49] <crutchy> you can also use a pointer as an argument for a recursive function that creates a common tree structure
[01:51:59] <crutchy> that's how i generally use them
[01:53:02] <prospectacle> stderr, an item in that example is a node, so the tree might have multiple "items" and each one might have subitems. So foreach item {do something; if subitems {process_list(subitems);} }
[01:53:13] <prospectacle> stderr, but maybe I'm missing something
[01:53:46] <stderr> prospectacle: For example: process_node(node) { if(node->left) { process_node(node->left); } do_something_with_this_node(node); if(node->right) { process_node(node->right); } }
[01:54:29] <stderr> ^ if you want to do_something... with the nodes in order.
[01:55:26] <prospectacle> stderr. Oh I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about high level list, like an ordered array of objects where each one might contain a sub-array of objects.
[01:56:32] <stderr> In your example an item != a node... In your example 1 node has multiple items (otherwise you wouldn't do foreach item on it, would you?). And for each of those items, you have a whole subtree.
[01:57:29] <prospectacle> stderr. I kind of see. I guess I don't know what you mean by node
[01:58:08] <stderr> An "item"... Where the tree have branches.
[01:58:46] <prospectacle> stderr: e.g. list = [ {title: "item one"}, {title: "item two", subitems [ {title: "item two Subitem one"}, {title: "item two subitem two"}]}], etc
[01:58:58] <stderr> prospectacle: http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:59:10] <crutchy> deliphi has really good ttreeview component
[01:59:39] <prospectacle> stderr, oh I see, no I'm talking about like a tree list you might see on the screen, like a file-explorer list, or a to-do list. Something more abstract.
[01:59:54] <stderr> Ok...
[03:00:01] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[03:00:14] <crutchy> ^^this guy is awesome too^^
[03:00:57] <crutchy> this is my fave lecture: https://www.youtube.com
[03:01:17] <prospectacle> I guess i should just call it a multi-level list to avoid confusion.
[03:01:43] <crutchy> i call it a rose bush :-P
[03:03:06] <paulej72> did europe at one point in the past switch to dst at 1AM instead of 2AM?
[03:03:48] <stderr> paulej72: Probably in some timezones...
[03:04:06] <stderr> It's only "recent" that we started switching at the same time.
[03:04:37] <stderr> "Recent" could very well be 20+ years... :-)
[03:05:15] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:05:48] <paulej72> porly coded tz code. Uses one set of data for all of europe, that is set to go off at 1am for the local time for all europe tzs instaed of 1am UTC
[03:08:34] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org "by stderr (11) on Sunday March 30, @02:44" <- 02:44 doesn't exist in CET/CEST today... :-)
[03:08:51] <so-lent-nus> about time btw, today is earth hour, can we hope some info about that?
[03:09:17] <stderr> so-lent-nus: If you submit a story, we might...
[03:09:36] <so-lent-nus> oh.
[03:09:55] <stderr> paulej72: The trick to remember about TZ code: NEVER write it yourself. Use a library and blame someone else if stuff breaks...
[03:10:03] <so-lent-nus> hehe
[03:10:26] * stderr did NOT follow his own advice and that's why we now have tzdata-javascript.org :-)
[03:10:47] <stderr> BTW: http://soylentnews.org comment added after DST started.
[03:12:40] <stderr> Does anyone else see my DST journal in the list of recent journal entries? I don't...
[03:12:58] <crutchy> nah i haven't since day dot
[03:13:06] <crutchy> it shows up eventually
[03:13:22] <stderr> When DST ends? :-)
[03:13:27] <crutchy> click the recent link and it shows up there
[03:13:30] <paulej72> stderr: will not be an issue again until the fall, but I could kludge slash to use better data for europe, but this would not fix the issue. I would need to use the default perl tz settings, but I would also need to have the full list of tz data to be in the prefs and stored in the db
[03:13:48] <so-lent-nus> if we all put some pressure on it DST ends now! :-D
[03:13:52] <crutchy> s/recent/Most Recent Journal Entries/
[03:13:52] <SedBot> <crutchy> click the Most Recent Journal Entries link and it shows up there
[03:14:12] <stderr> paulej72: Why store anything about tz data in the database?
[03:14:23] <paulej72> stderr: journal list is updtated periodically with a slasd job. I am not sure how often it runs.
[03:14:25] <crutchy> cos it's fun
[03:14:53] <crutchy> and causes much confusement, which is also fun :-P
[03:14:54] <paulej72> Need to store the user’s setting for the tz
[03:14:58] <prospectacle> stderr, no I don't. From experience there can be quite a delay for the recent-journal entries list
[03:15:54] <stderr> paulej72: Isn't the users TZ setting stored already?
[03:15:54] <crutchy> it takes a while for stuff to chug its way through the tubes
[03:16:51] * crutchy is putting bacon madness back into crunch
[03:17:14] * NCommander prefers his bacon less crunchy
[03:17:32] <NCommander> Proper bacon should not hold its shape less it is overcooked
[03:17:40] <crutchy> don't let kobach hear you say that
[03:17:53] <crutchy> he'll throw crunchy bacon at you :-P
[03:17:59] <NCommander> kobach is worshipping false bacon.
[03:18:01] <stderr> paulej72: Anyway... DateTime::TimeZone is your friend...
[03:18:36] <paulej72> stderr: yes it is, but it is not in the same format as current tz data used by modern programs. I would need to change the preferences to show the correct tz and then store the correct tz. then update all of th users tz entries with the correct versions
[03:18:40] * NCommander notes there's always a perl module for everything
[03:18:43] <so-lent-nus> I guess the time on soylentnews articles is UTC, (if the user haven't logged in and defined another timezone for him), right?
[03:18:54] <NCommander> so-lent-nus, I think its set to EST
[03:19:04] <crutchy> ncommander: what about for cooking bacon?
[03:19:05] <so-lent-nus> oh.. :-C
[03:19:07] <NCommander> so-lent-nus, the database stores everything in UTC
[03:19:10] <so-lent-nus> aha ok
[03:19:11] <NCommander> so-lent-nus, let me check
[03:19:29] <NCommander> so-lent-nus, what little docs come with slash says THOU SHALL SET THOU TZ TO GMT OR THOU SHALL BREAK SLASH.
[03:19:37] <NCommander> So said the book of the Commander of Tacos
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[03:19:40] <stderr> paulej72: Ah, you mean it's stored as e.g. "+0100 Central European", not e.g. "Europe/Copenhagen"?
[03:20:29] <crutchy> "+0100 Central European" would seem like a dumb way to store timezone data
[03:20:35] <paulej72> stderr: CET not what is curretly in use. The three letter codes are depreciated if I have read things correctly
[03:20:41] <so-lent-nus> not that timestamps are that important (personally I would probably be ok with just dates on the articles without time)
[03:20:45] <crutchy> where's the redundancy department of redundancy when you need it?
[03:20:57] <stderr> crutchy: Yes, extremely stupid...
[03:21:42] <stderr> paulej72: Yes. The problem is that the same abbrev. is used for multiple places... Some which doesn't have the same offset or switch at the same time.
[03:21:43] <crutchy> even if it just stored nearest capital city would seem more logical
[03:22:23] <crutchy> that way if a city has a dst brainfart it's easy to change
[03:22:33] <stderr> crutchy: Something like "Europe/Copenhagen" or another of the names from the Olson database would be the best choice.
[03:22:39] <crutchy> yeah
[03:22:46] <paulej72> the officical dbs have city/country pairs setup for all regions that need specal data. Just select the appropriate one.
[03:23:11] <stderr> crutchy: DateTime::TimeZone can directly use the names from the Olson database.
[03:26:33] <stderr> paulej72: Before you decide to play around with the timezone stuff, maybe you can fix another time related "bug" for me? My "Date/Time Format" is set to "Sunday March 21, @23:00", but journals show up as being write at e.g. "02:42 AM"... Can you make the journals use the same setting as the regular articles and comments?
[03:26:59] <so-lent-nus> I guess it could be written in the FAQ for the page, later when a user-faq is written (instead of just for slashcode), a small info about the timezone used could be written there
[03:27:30] <so-lent-nus> can we hope normal understandable dates in the future btw? I never learn PM/AM times...
[03:29:19] <paulej72> stderr: took me a while to figure out what you meant. The format is not being applied to Journal article times, correct
[03:29:26] <crutchy> why don't we just say "night time" and "day time"
[03:29:31] <stderr> How to get people to sign up and log in: If you're not logged in, all timestamps should be shown as seconds since Epoch. No timezone selected => No formatting!
[03:29:32] <crutchy> very simple
[03:29:41] <stderr> paulej72: Yes.
[03:29:42] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:29:43] <paulej72> crutchy: now, not now
[03:29:50] <crutchy> yeah
[03:29:57] <crutchy> or past, present, future
[03:30:06] <paulej72> I’ll do that now now
[03:30:08] <crutchy> i've always wanted to comment in the future
[03:30:30] <stderr> crutchy: Future shouldn't happen and "present" is unlikely, so simply "some time ago" for everything.
[03:31:21] <crutchy> well that can be done in static html then... no need for database shit :-)
[03:32:11] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - NSA and GCHQ Targeted German Businesses - http://sylnt.us - they-listen-to-everyone
[03:33:37] <stderr> Yes, simply change the template from "posted by ___ on ____" to "posted by ____ some time ago". Should also lower the CPU usage on the box. :-)
[03:41:30] <so-lent-nus> how usefull is the "Printer-friendly" link on articles btw? it doesn't include the comments so imho its usefulness is quite limited...
[03:42:34] <paulej72> so-lent-nus: should not be printing kills trees :)
[03:42:39] <so-lent-nus> I guess its main feature is that it writes link adresses in the summary as clear text
[03:42:52] <stderr> LOL! Slashcode even applied DST to a 14 day old message... I guess I was right when I said "to ALL timestamps". :-)
[03:43:04] <so-lent-nus> hehehe
[03:43:51] <paulej72> lol that is just fucked up.
[03:44:45] <paulej72> that is same issues Outlook had with calendar items at one point.
[03:44:49] <stderr> And reloading a tab just made my old "tzdata-javascript" journal jump from "09:44 PM" to "10:44 PM". :-)
[03:45:21] <so-lent-nus> I like that, when daylightshavingtime happens, it happens to all timestamps that have been ever. and then when it ends all the timestamps is corrected again.
[03:45:25] <so-lent-nus> :)
[03:46:35] <n1> fuckingtimechangingbs
[03:46:51] <stderr> Daylight Shaving Time... I like that. :-)
[03:48:26] <paulej72> at least the times are correct in the db as it is all saved as UTC, I wonder if I perl::datetime would do a proper job of converting the times given the utc time and the tz, I bet it would
[03:49:53] * n1 opens last beer
[03:55:17] <stderr> paulej72: That's DateTime::TimeZone and yes, it would...
[03:56:47] <paulej72> !todo have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap
[03:56:47] <PoeticWarlord> todo item 13 added
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[03:59:25] <MrBluze> hi Konomi
[03:59:46] <Konomi> hey
[04:00:04] <Konomi> I swear my laptop lcd is starting to get dead pixels or something x.x
[04:00:49] <n1> i have a paranoia about that
[04:00:58] <n1> seeing dead pixels where there are none
[04:01:07] <stderr> paulej72: Actually, "DateTime" might be enough... my $dt = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => $timestamp_from_database ); $dt->set_time_zone( "America/Chicago" ); my $time_string=$dt->strftime($format);
[04:01:49] <MrBluze> Konomi: it might just be fly poo ;)
[04:02:01] <Konomi> nah it's definitly a dead one I keep my screen clean x.x
[04:02:16] <paulej72> stderr: need to pull the list of tz out to display to the user on the prefs page. I think dt::tz will do that
[04:02:20] <stderr> You know what... I actually think that (+ "use DateTime;") might be all that's needed... Just replace the "America/Chicago" with whatever timezone the user have selected.
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[04:02:56] <stderr> paulej72: Yes, DateTime::TimeZone->all_names
[04:03:51] <Konomi> god that is odd
[04:03:57] <Konomi> it moves with the viewing angle
[04:04:54] <paulej72> Konomi: put down the alcohol and step away from the computer.
[04:05:14] <paulej72> Konomi: or just clean the screen
[04:05:22] <stderr> paulej72: Maybe something with my @categories=DateTime::TimeZone->categories; foreach $category (@categories) { my $timezone_name=DateTime::TimeZone->names_in_category( $category ); } if you want split the list into categories ("America/...", "Europe/...", ...)
[04:05:23] <Konomi> can't do step one I don't drink
[04:05:29] <Konomi> anbd step two is doing nothing ;p
[04:06:06] * n1 burps picks up his beer
[04:06:18] <n1> maybe the alcohol keeps me from seeing the dead pixels...
[04:06:18] <stderr> Konomi: It's not your screen... Clean your glasses.
[04:06:36] <crutchy> sure it's not yellow mush from your kids dinner?
[04:07:11] <Konomi> looks like mr broken pixel has friends
[04:07:53] <Konomi> like 5 >.<
[04:08:17] <stderr> It's the Dead Pixel Party...
[04:08:47] <paulej72> stderr: might have to do that.,
[04:10:43] * so-lent-nus hugs his CRT monitor
[04:11:32] <Konomi> unforatnatly it seems they are dead/dieing pixels
[04:11:42] <Konomi> they're clustered around the bottom left of my screen
[04:11:54] <Konomi> it looks like subpixel damage oddly though
[04:12:05] <Konomi> they can change colour to a degree but they have a grey tinge
[04:12:37] <stderr> Sometimes you can massage them back to life...
[04:12:44] <Konomi> tried no dice unfornatly
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[04:13:40] <so-lent-nus> screen massage sounds interesting
[04:14:18] <stderr> The colors can be interesting while it happens...
[04:14:22] <crutchy> screen virus
[04:14:46] <crutchy> w32/screen
[04:15:01] <Konomi> oh well ~
[04:16:12] <stderr> Part of the screen on my phone has a burned-in image. :-/
[04:16:30] <mrcoolbp> any sphinx devs our there?
[04:17:28] <Konomi> stderr: sucks but this is my main work laptop so it's kinda not fun ;p
[04:19:37] <so-lent-nus> http://cdn.memegenerator.net
[04:21:03] <stderr> I see someone is reading my brain... I was just to lazy to make a picture.
[04:21:15] <stderr> ... But now I'll go make dinner instead.
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[04:23:06] * Bytram|away is away: g'nite all!
[04:25:18] <crutchy> cya bytram
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[04:26:49] <so-lent-nus> yea nightynight now
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[04:57:47] <NCommander> crutchy, you around?
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[05:00:03] <Alberto> Hello all
[05:00:19] <Alberto> Hello all
[05:01:16] <mrcoolbp> hey alberto, what's up?
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[05:03:56] <Alberto> Sorry
[05:04:05] <Alberto> i changed my irc client
[05:04:13] <Alberto> Happy doing experiments
[05:04:19] <Alberto> Installed ubuntu on my phone
[05:04:21] <Alberto> :D
[05:04:44] <mrcoolbp> nice
[05:05:19] <Alberto> Motorola Atrix + Webtop with Ubuntu (Lapdock).
[05:17:07] <crutchy> NCommander... yeah
[05:17:16] <crutchy> oops...
[05:17:46] <crutchy> only 20 minutes late :-P
[05:18:36] <crutchy> ncommander: dunno
[05:18:57] <crutchy> sorry not sure how to use that other window thingy
[05:19:17] * NCommander wonders who the AC was then
[05:19:39] <crutchy> what AC?
[05:19:54] <Cyprus> he got trolled
[05:19:58] * crutchy is still logged in to SN
[05:20:24] <crutchy> trolls don't bother me
[05:20:34] <NCommander> Cyprus, an AC posted that they were banned
[05:20:36] <crutchy> they make for colorful conversation :-P
[05:20:44] <crutchy> oh
[05:20:45] <NCommander> I ran a search against the IPLD, but it looks like I ran the wrong IPLD
[05:20:52] <Konomi> people gettin banned already
[05:21:00] <Konomi> the eng is nigh
[05:21:03] <NCommander> Konomi, no one has been banned from the site
[05:21:05] * Konomi panics and runs around in circles
[05:21:09] <Cyprus> yeah I saw the comment earlier. the guy who replied with the tin foil blocking crazy rays deserves a beer
[05:21:09] * NCommander licks Konomi to calm her down
[05:21:13] <Konomi> shh I wanted to try this on ;_;
[05:21:29] <NCommander> Konomi, I BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH
[05:22:05] <Konomi> yay abstract reality
[05:22:48] <NCommander> Konomi, http://wiki.soylentnews.org - see, I come full of truth and citations :-). Unlike most politicions, I'm heavier than air
[05:23:15] <Konomi> oohh incorporated
[05:23:26] <Konomi> that means if anything bad happens the owners don't get screwed right?
[05:23:48] <NCommander> Konomi, that's the plan. .... I take it you missed the big shiny story on the site? :-(
[05:24:13] <NCommander> Konomi, http://soylentnews.org
[05:24:59] <Konomi> I think I read it
[05:25:12] <Konomi> yep I read this
[05:25:35] <Konomi> sounds good to me
[05:25:39] * NCommander reboots Konomi's long term memory
[05:26:09] <Konomi> there's a lot rattling around up there most stuff gets put in the fuzzy association array ;p
[05:26:24] <Alberto> Sup
[05:26:42] * NCommander roots Konomi and migrates her to a more stable filesystem
[05:26:55] * Alberto installed Ubuntu on his phone
[05:26:57] <Alberto> :D
[05:26:59] <Konomi> I heard those give more headaches
[05:27:10] <NCommander> Konomi, no, it just means you can remember the headaches
[05:27:25] <Konomi> damn it
[05:27:42] <NCommander> Konomi, and you'd no longer be the person who when walking out of a starbucks, sees a starbucks across the street, and thinks, OOOH COFFEE
[05:27:56] <Konomi> oh god I'm not that bad ;p
[05:28:35] <Cyprus> lol
[05:28:47] * Alberto needs attention
[05:28:54] <Alberto> crutchy, sup m8
[05:28:54] <mrcoolbp> clearly
[05:28:54] <Alberto> :)
[05:36:57] <Konomi> urk my country is trying to repeal racial discrimination laws because "free speech"
[05:37:34] <MrBluze> yeah it's a bit of a worry
[05:37:43] <MrBluze> winding up for war
[05:38:02] <Konomi> all I visualise the people saying who are pushing this is "I am an arsehole, I want the right to be an areshole"
[05:38:04] <MrBluze> so we can have a government sponsored two-minutes-of-hate against eastasia
[05:38:13] <Konomi> lol
[05:38:26] <Cyprus> is it east asia this week?
[05:38:38] <Konomi> australia in this case sadly
[05:38:51] <MrBluze> yeah but eastasia is who we have to hate this week
[05:38:52] <Cyprus> i need to keep up more. I thought it was eastern europe
[05:38:53] * NCommander notes the former crown countries appear to have lost their minds
[05:39:16] <Cyprus> what did east asia do?
[05:40:22] <MrBluze> i dunno, it has the bomb or something?
[05:40:34] <MrBluze> maybe they stole our kittens
[05:40:47] <MrBluze> we don't need a reason!
[05:41:39] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: could you do me a favor?
[05:41:56] <MrBluze> probably.. depends ;) lol
[05:42:40] <mrcoolbp> writeup a proposal for a story submission to main saying "need domain suggestions, you must own and be willing to donate no strings attached, send to suggestions@soylentnews.org etc."
[05:42:56] <mrcoolbp> send to me for now
[05:43:16] <crutchy> g'day alberto
[05:43:20] <MrBluze> ok
[05:43:27] <mrcoolbp> awesome, much appreciated!
[05:43:34] <MrBluze> is suggestions@soylentnews.org now an address?
[05:43:41] <MrBluze> who is that one forwarding to
[05:43:44] <mrcoolbp> me
[05:43:46] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:43:47] <MrBluze> okay
[05:44:09] <MrBluze> so I just write it on the site as story sub
[05:44:12] <MrBluze> ok off i go
[05:44:12] * crutchy finally connects some dots... woohoo
[05:44:49] <crutchy> ncommander: you talking about the AC that i replied to i guessing
[05:45:00] <NCommander> crutchy, probably
[05:45:04] <MrBluze> mrcoolbp: or u want me to email u the story ??
[05:45:12] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: just email to me for now
[05:45:16] <MrBluze> ok
[05:45:18] <mrcoolbp> we are not ready quite yet
[05:45:25] <mrcoolbp> I need to get off to bed
[05:45:33] <crutchy> i had no idea what was goin on for a bit
[05:45:33] <mrcoolbp> I'll be on in about 12 hours
[05:45:39] <mrcoolbp> I'll see you all then
[05:45:43] <mrcoolbp> thanks again
[05:45:46] <mrcoolbp> goodnight everyone
[05:45:50] <crutchy> cya mrcoolbp
[05:46:00] <mrcoolbp> later crutchy
[05:46:42] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: one redirect all set, working on the second. I'll talk to you soon
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[05:48:53] <Alberto> Linux localhost 2.6.32.56-MB860-faux123-GB-024 #6 SMP PREEMPT Sat Feb 4 15:45:36 PST 2012 armv7l unknown
[05:49:23] <crutchy> hi alberto
[05:49:36] <crutchy> that's a nice bunch of jibberish u got there matey :-P
[05:49:40] <Alberto> sup crutchy
[05:49:50] <crutchy> not much
[05:49:51] <Alberto> thats my ubuntu running on my phone
[05:49:57] <crutchy> kids are painting with water outside
[05:49:58] <Alberto> hacking this crap
[05:50:02] <crutchy> ooh
[05:50:03] <Cyprus> nice
[05:50:22] <Alberto> its fun
[05:50:25] <Alberto> full desktop on phone
[05:50:28] <Alberto> :D
[05:50:31] <crutchy> lol
[05:50:36] <crutchy> i hate touch screens
[05:50:43] <Cyprus> i've never been ambitious enough to put custom on a phone
[05:50:44] <Alberto> nno touch
[05:50:52] <Alberto> atrixx motorola with lapdock
[05:50:55] <Alberto> google that
[05:50:57] <Alberto> :p
[05:51:04] <crutchy> i got an old galaxy s2 i was thinking about custom
[05:51:19] <Alberto> i got an s3 as proxy cache
[05:51:21] <Alberto> >D
[05:51:21] <crutchy> it required too much thinking for my liking
[05:51:49] <crutchy> i'd probably rather use it for embedded control
[05:51:50] <Alberto> easier than you think
[05:52:34] <crutchy> if i could get of my arse and make something of my atmega128
[05:53:13] <crutchy> other than blinken lights and rs232/ad conversion toys
[05:54:37] <Alberto> http://images.amazon.com
[05:54:40] <Alberto> check dat
[05:55:03] <crutchy> looks kinda kinky
[05:55:30] <crutchy> that phone is enjoying the back of that notebook a bit too much methinks
[05:56:46] * NCommander flames himself
[05:57:55] <Alberto> NCommander, :P
[05:58:48] <NCommander> *flails
[05:58:58] <MrBluze> flagellates
[05:59:01] <Cyprus> ncommander: you know the rule about arguing with idiots/crazies right?
[05:59:17] <MrBluze> Cyprus: it's a lot of fun?
[05:59:28] <Alberto> NCommander, do you have any know-how on arm systems?
[05:59:48] <Cyprus> heh, no. I was gonna say "Don't. They'll drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience"
[06:01:31] <MrBluze> oh yeah i remember that one
[06:02:03] <Cyprus> the other one is something about wrestling a pig, you end up muddy, and they enjoyed it
[06:02:05] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Employees Call on New CEO to Resign - http://sylnt.us - skeletons-in-the-closet
[06:02:32] * NCommander sits here wondering if he knows shit about ARM ...
[06:03:04] <MrBluze> i have to do actual work today
[06:03:09] * MrBluze sighs
[06:03:28] <MrBluze> meet your deadlines or make the headlines
[06:04:09] <Cyprus> that sounds like a fun job
[06:04:53] <MrBluze> it's usually fun but sometimes it's worse than anything u can imagine
[06:05:06] <MrBluze> except maybe war
[06:05:29] <Cyprus> geez, and i thought i hated my boss
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[06:13:41] <crutchy> i like madness
[06:13:42] <crutchy> !
[06:14:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Incoming link, not suitable for work - Written on my chest is "Ethanol (heart) Soylent"
[06:14:09] <Ethanol-fueled> http://tinypic.com
[06:15:05] <crutchy> ahh the joys of inflated mistresses
[06:15:19] <Ethanol-fueled> inflated? that's tire-grade solid rubber there!
[06:15:27] <crutchy> lol
[06:15:34] <Ethanol-fueled> not quite realdoll-grade, but not cheap.
[06:15:38] <crutchy> i bet she smells good
[06:15:46] <Konomi> now your tar coated penis won't rip them up
[06:16:17] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahaah
[06:17:16] <Ethanol-fueled> How you all doin? Gettin' good and dronk?
[06:18:23] <crutchy> ##
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[06:42:26] <Ethanol-fueled> bix_nood++
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[06:42:38] <Ethanol-fueled> muhfugen_bix_nood++
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[06:42:49] <NCommander> Spam--
[06:42:49] <PoeticWarlord> karma - spam: -1
[06:43:00] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup ncommander
[06:43:23] <Ethanol-fueled> do you all hate me yet, hahah?
[06:45:23] <Ethanol-fueled> You all hate me now, but you will grow to love me in time...when I release the first soylent news-themed porno.
[06:45:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Which will be just my fat-ass with "soylent news" written with Sharpie.
[06:45:59] <Ethanol-fueled> and a female companion, of course.
[06:46:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Bahahahahah. Hahah. A-hah. Hnn.
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[06:50:48] <NCommander> wait, what?
[06:51:12] <crutchy> ethanol: you mean a shemale companion?
[06:51:42] <crutchy> named "pet"
[06:51:55] <crutchy> short for petroleoum-based product
[06:52:02] <crutchy> :-P
[06:54:55] <crutchy> she has a nice pair of pins ethanol :-)
[06:55:52] <crutchy> holy carp ## is going off again
[06:58:01] <paulej72> and now crutchy joined in on ##
[06:58:21] <crutchy> hell yeah
[06:59:28] <paulej72> i keep getting throttled on ##
[06:59:48] <crutchy> yeah mee too
[06:59:54] <paulej72> I do not have my bounce set correclty, but I forgot the address for the web login
[07:00:10] <crutchy> it must be all the madness++
[07:00:23] <paulej72> madness++
[07:00:23] <PoeticWarlord> karma - madness: 1
[07:00:54] <crutchy> madness++
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[07:40:20] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - Abrash & Carmack, Together Again at Oculus VR - http://sylnt.us - c'mon-c'mon-let's-get-together
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[07:42:09] <stderr> Bing translate failure: https://twitter.com and click "view translation"... Where did that email address come from?
[08:21:56] <Alberto> Anyone with debian experience?
[08:22:13] <crutchy> a little bit here
[08:22:51] <crutchy> it's what i use day to day anyways
[08:24:06] <Alberto> Well this is the issue i'm using a very old debian for my phone
[08:24:33] <crutchy> sarge?
[08:24:39] <crutchy> lenny?
[08:24:45] <crutchy> lenny not that old
[08:24:49] <Alberto> is from jaunty (Ubuntu) dunno wich debian they used
[08:24:58] <Alberto> maybe is 4 or 5
[08:25:09] <crutchy> i started on 5
[08:25:14] <crutchy> lenny
[08:25:22] <crutchy> 4 prolly similar
[08:25:47] <Alberto> well i need to install tzdata by forcing but lways got a lot of error
[08:26:01] <crutchy> alberto you running a bot too? :_p
[08:26:03] <Alberto> there is something wich RLY RLY forces the package and ignore evevery single error?
[08:26:20] <Alberto> crutchy, bcz bacon? :P
[08:26:48] <crutchy> you can try apt-get -f
[08:27:06] <crutchy> you feeding crunch :-P
[08:27:32] <Alberto> crutchy, what that means
[08:27:36] <Alberto> if i do talk he talks? :P
[08:27:43] <crutchy> yup :-D
[08:27:53] <Alberto> :D
[08:27:58] <Alberto> what irc client do you use?
[08:28:13] <crutchy> chat.soylent.org
[08:28:17] <crutchy> just the web chat
[08:29:01] <crutchy> you using xchat yeah?
[08:29:07] <Alberto> yeah
[08:29:11] <Alberto> timers rocks you know
[08:29:12] <Alberto> lol
[08:29:16] <crutchy> hahahaha
[08:29:43] <crutchy> i prolly shouldn't let crunch feed off a timed quote :-P
[08:29:49] * NCommander needs a bloody hug
[08:29:56] <NCommander> This incorporation research is exhausting
[08:30:01] <stderr> Alberto: Are you using Debian or Ubuntu?
[08:30:47] <Alberto> stderr, is Ubuntu
[08:30:55] <Alberto> but with a lot of debian packages
[08:30:56] <crutchy> sounds really boring ncommander
[08:31:00] <Alberto> well Ubuntu is debian
[08:31:02] <crutchy> not fun for code junky
[08:31:04] <stderr> NO!!!
[08:31:08] <Alberto> i removed tzdata from dpkg status
[08:31:09] <stderr> NO! NO! NO!
[08:31:10] <Alberto> and done!
[08:31:11] <Alberto> XDDD
[08:31:21] <crutchy> ubuntu is just a debian freeloader :-P
[08:31:46] * NCommander resists the urge to smack you both with both my @debian.org email address and my @ubuntu.com one :-P
[08:31:59] <crutchy> tzdata is overrated anyway... might as well just remove it altogether :-D
[08:32:17] <Alberto> NCommander, bleh
[08:32:25] <Alberto> NCommander, i do have a .gov boy
[08:32:27] * Alberto wins
[08:32:47] <crutchy> oh shit it's NSA in a really bad disguise
[08:32:57] <Alberto> na
[08:33:08] <Alberto> used to be lord of the sys admin's
[08:33:15] <Alberto> at something like SWAT but in my country
[08:33:21] <stderr> Alberto: Pfffttt... I got a handful of .dk and .org...
[08:33:24] <crutchy> you not part of the healthcare.gov shit are you?
[08:33:27] <crutchy> please say no
[08:33:28] <Alberto> no
[08:33:30] <Alberto> .gov.ar
[08:33:30] <Alberto> :D
[08:33:37] <NCommander> That doesn't count! :-P
[08:33:42] <Alberto> NCommander, hahahahaha
[08:33:43] <NCommander> You need to work for a real government!
[08:33:45] * NCommander ducks
[08:34:00] <Alberto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:34:04] <Alberto> I been there first
[08:34:04] * NCommander apologizes, has been knee deep in US legal codes
[08:34:04] <Alberto> ;)
[08:34:12] <NCommander> Alberto, http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:34:23] <crutchy> i can make an @gov.goat.cx and then i'll ge nsa too?
[08:34:33] <Alberto> NCommander, look at the date of my page
[08:34:36] <crutchy> s/ge/be/
[08:34:36] <SedBot> <crutchy> i can make an @gov.goat.cx and then i'll be nsa too?
[08:34:42] <Alberto> and more important
[08:34:44] <NCommander> Alberto, habia espaol?
[08:34:47] <Alberto> from WHERE was edited
[08:34:57] * Alberto got localhost access to wiki
[08:34:58] <Alberto> =P
[08:35:04] * Alberto wins
[08:35:16] <Alberto> NCommander, asi es.
[08:35:37] <crutchy> and even more important, alberto has upped kobach in bacon upping on ##
[08:35:40] <Alberto> Ubuntu Member since: 2005-06-15
[08:35:49] <NCommander> Alberto, you predate me on that
[08:35:54] * NCommander is an Ubuntu Core Developer though
[08:36:22] <crutchy> isn't there a #cock_comparison channel somewhere?
[08:36:24] <NCommander> https://launchpad.net
[08:36:26] <Alberto> NCommander, im nobody
[08:36:31] <Alberto> but i'm everywhere
[08:36:35] <Alberto> no one knows why or how
[08:36:41] <NCommander> crutchy, it isn't fair, I'd beat everyone in the room with the length of my e-peen :-)
[08:36:43] * Alberto is a Ghost among mortals
[08:36:54] <Alberto> i used to do a lot of reporting
[08:36:59] <crutchy> omg alberto is a man in black!
[08:36:59] <Alberto> redhat ones etcetera
[08:37:01] <NCommander> Alberto, Ghost in the Distro?
[08:37:05] <crutchy> A
[08:37:31] * NCommander is struggling not to burn out doing this
[08:37:44] <crutchy> gotta give nc that he does slash a lot
[08:37:59] <crutchy> so his e-peen
[08:38:04] <Alberto> hahahaha
[08:38:05] <crutchy> ew gross why did i even type that
[08:38:11] <Alberto> i used to be a malware researcher
[08:38:13] <Alberto> and cracker
[08:38:14] * NCommander feels violated in the bad way
[08:38:25] <Alberto> i did wrote things for gov's
[08:38:38] <Alberto> and then leave when i saw what they did with my creations
[08:38:55] <crutchy> were/are you involved in that big arse data collection thingy
[08:38:56] <crutchy> ?
[08:39:05] <crutchy> whatsitcalled
[08:39:07] <crutchy> err
[08:39:09] <Alberto> i was
[08:39:19] <Alberto> now clean, 7 years
[08:39:29] <NCommander> Alberto, there's somethings a shower doesn't fix
[08:39:42] <Alberto> NCommander, well thats right
[08:39:44] <crutchy> prism
[08:39:45] <Alberto> something to live with
[08:40:38] <crutchy> you were at most just another grunt in the war of bullshit
[08:40:54] <crutchy> be thankful you still have both your legs
[08:40:59] <crutchy> you do don't you?
[08:41:08] <Alberto> lost my entire life
[08:41:15] <Alberto> because "patriotism"
[08:41:16] <NCommander> Alberto, ebay can fix that
[08:41:31] <crutchy> so can alcoholic coffee :-P
[08:41:33] <Alberto> We are just numbers, thats the reality
[08:41:46] <NCommander> I'm UID 2
[08:41:52] <Alberto> ignorance sometimes is bliss
[08:41:53] <NCommander> :-)
[08:41:55] <crutchy> nerninerner :-P
[08:41:56] <NCommander> Alberto, not really
[08:42:23] <NCommander> At least for some people, they rather be knowledgable than be willfully ignorant
[08:42:51] <crutchy> he was prolly knowledgable... of a lot of things he probably now trying to forget :-P
[08:43:10] <crutchy> like what people said on their phones
[08:43:15] <crutchy> *shudders*
[08:43:33] <crutchy> why the hell the NSA really wants to collect that crap is beyond me
[08:43:52] <Alberto> because more you know more you can control
[08:44:09] <crutchy> you might get the odd needle in a haystack
[08:44:11] <Alberto> Anyone know how to tell ssh to go out using a wlan0 and not eth0 ?
[08:44:15] <crutchy> but it's a fucking big haystack
[08:44:52] <NCommander> Alberto, change your systems routing tables
[08:44:58] <crutchy> a big shitty smelly haystack
[08:45:09] <crutchy> i've not used ssh much alberto sorry
[08:45:30] <Alberto> NCommander, both gateways are .254
[08:45:31] <crutchy> i did set up a private key to another machine on my lan... think that was as complicated as it got
[08:45:41] <stderr> Alberto: -b might be useful...
[08:45:52] <Alberto> stderr, tried, not worked
[08:46:03] <Alberto> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth0
[08:46:04] <Alberto> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 9 0 0 wlan0
[08:46:15] <Alberto> i will do something more usefull
[08:46:23] <Alberto> i will change the wlan inet block :p
[08:46:24] <crutchy> bacon upping?
[08:46:35] <crutchy> ew inetd
[08:47:07] <Alberto> crutchy, want2baconsoyoucancoffee?
[08:47:07] <stderr> Alberto: Is that 1 and 9 the metric?
[08:47:15] <Alberto> stderr, yes
[08:47:22] <NCommander> Alberto, just delete the routing entry for eth0
[08:47:25] <stderr> Then fix that.
[08:47:29] <NCommander> Or do that
[08:47:34] <NCommander> stderr++ # routing GOD
[08:47:34] <PoeticWarlord> karma - stderr: 36
[08:47:38] <Alberto> i will just move it to 192.168.2
[08:47:49] <Alberto> stderr, how?
[08:47:57] * NCommander waits for Client Quit: Alberto (disconnected by peer)
[08:48:00] <Alberto> not familiar with that
[08:48:17] <crutchy> you prolly wanna have each if on a different subnet anyway yeah
[08:48:17] <stderr> Alberto: ifconfig eth0 metric 10
[08:48:37] <Alberto> SIOCSIFMETRIC: La operacin no est soportada
[08:48:42] <Alberto> not supported
[08:48:49] * Alberto blames NCommander
[08:48:50] <crutchy> eth0=>192.168.1.0/24, wlan0 => 192.168.2.0/24 ?
[08:48:58] <Alberto> crutchy, i will do that
[08:50:15] <stderr> I just wish the metric were taken into account when connecting to "local" addresses.
[08:51:37] <NCommander> Alberto, ifconfig down wlan0?
[08:51:52] <crutchy> dunno about metrics but i assumed that each interface needed it's own subnet otherwise programs would get confused where to send packets
[08:52:23] <stderr> crutchy: The metric is the "cost" of using that interface.
[08:52:25] <crutchy> or the tcp/ip stack or whatever it is that sends packets to an if
[08:52:31] <crutchy> mkay
[08:52:44] <Alberto> damn
[08:52:59] <crutchy> i have two subnets on my lan
[08:53:05] <Alberto> i did a down on eth0 then wlan0
[08:53:10] <crutchy> i just separate them in my /etc/network/ifconfig
[08:53:11] <Alberto> and i didn't get dced from irc
[08:53:13] <Alberto> thats weird
[08:53:23] <crutchy> s/ifconfig/interfaces/.
[08:53:54] <crutchy> lol you teasing crunch again alberto
[08:54:28] <Alberto> =p
[08:55:50] <crutchy> holy carp!
[08:56:00] <crutchy> wholly carp!
[08:56:07] <Alberto> =D
[08:56:37] <stderr> crutchy: "use Carp;"?
[08:56:50] <Alberto> stderr, what you mean with "cost" ?
[08:57:53] <stderr> Alberto: You can reach e.g. 192.168.1.2 using both eth0 and wlan0. If you use eth0 it costs "1 thingie", but you would have to "pay" "9 thingies" to use wlan0... eth0 is cheaper, so the system uses that.
[08:58:22] <Alberto> oh
[08:58:29] <Alberto> and if both are even?
[08:59:28] <stderr> For some systems it would be random, for some it would be 50/50 and for some it would always pick the first (or the last).
[09:00:02] <crutchy> that sounds really unstable
[09:00:03] * NCommander notes Network Manager exists for a reason people
[09:00:05] <NCommander> USE IT
[09:00:09] * NCommander face palms
[09:00:22] <stderr> crutchy: Yeah, so don't do that...
[09:00:25] <Alberto> i prefer to learn in the stderr way
[09:00:26] <Alberto> :p
[09:00:34] <crutchy> /etc/network/interfaces ftw!!!
[09:00:45] <NCommander> Real programmers start their programs with close(STDERR);
[09:01:17] <stderr> crutchy: /etc/network/interfaces + wpa_supplicant
[09:01:28] <crutchy> real programmers throw rocks with heiroglyphs on them at each other
[09:01:43] <crutchy> yeah i use wpa_supplicant for my notebook
[09:02:06] <crutchy> was a bit of a pain to learn how to set with with /etc/network/interfaces but got there eventually
[09:02:18] <Alberto> NCommander, respect your elders
[09:02:19] <Alberto> lol
[09:02:36] <NCommander> Alberto, pfft, I used to run Slackware and NetBSD and IRIX
[09:03:21] <Alberto> great, talk me back when you code a tcp stack in memory then dump it and use it to dial a modem
[09:03:23] <Alberto> LOL
[09:03:41] <crutchy> with a mechanical dial turner :-P
[09:03:49] <crutchy> and vacuum tubes
[09:04:21] <crutchy> and a nasa program to send men to the moon!
[09:04:48] <stderr> crutchy: Yeah, getting wpa-roam working was a pain for me too... Especially because the protocol for eduroam has changed at our uni., but the pages haven't been updated...
[09:05:32] <crutchy> i didn't expect it to be so much different from wep when i first started... was surprised
[09:06:10] <stderr> I don't think I ever used wep...
[09:07:06] <crutchy> i did before wpa2 routers were affordable
[09:07:39] <stderr> Back then I used a cable... Still do most of the time.
[09:08:08] <crutchy> i only use wlan for notebooks
[09:08:31] <crutchy> got 4 of the damn things now
[09:08:56] <crutchy> not to mention all the handheld gidgets
[09:09:31] <crutchy> everything seems to be getting wifi'd
[09:09:34] <stderr> I'm considering asking one of my ISPs, if I can get a router without wifi... I don't use it, I don't want it and as far as I can tell it's impossible to turn off the wifi using the lousy webinterface for the router.
[09:11:19] <stderr> The main reason why I don't need it is because one of the other routers have wifi too and the web interface for that router is a little bit more sane when it comes to the wifi.
[09:11:30] <crutchy> i use a router with the wifi disabled for my dmz
[09:11:45] <crutchy> i think you can disable wifi on most routers
[09:13:17] <crutchy> maybe just get one of those cheap netgear ones
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[09:14:33] <stderr> It doesn't seem possible with this one... And now that ISP seems to be wanting to use all those routers as semi-public wifi-spots for their roaming users, so I doubt they'll let me turn it off completely.
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[09:15:07] <Alberto> stderr, wich router
[09:15:21] <stderr> Do I really have to stand up?!
[09:16:05] <stderr> Some Cisco box, but I can't find the model number.
[09:17:19] <Alberto> it has UPNP
[09:17:20] <Alberto> ?
[09:17:49] <stderr> No idea. The web interface is crap...
[09:18:28] <crutchy> i disable upnp on my routers too
[09:18:47] <Alberto> i moved all to Linux
[09:18:49] <Alberto> old style
[09:19:05] <Alberto> changed the mode frmo router to modem
[09:19:13] <crutchy> i've used linksys and netgear
[09:19:30] <crutchy> i've heard some shitty things about linksys but netgear seems ok for the price
[09:19:48] <crutchy> i liked my old linksys cos it had a loopback
[09:20:08] <stderr> Alberto: I wish I could do that on all my routers...
[09:21:43] <crutchy> linksys had some problems with overheating. caused the wired interface to crap itself. could only use 10mbps simplex and then after a while even that crapped out
[09:23:12] <stderr> My Zyxel router sometimes have to be powercycled for no good reason.
[09:24:21] <crutchy> yeah my netgear ones have same. just dc from isp about once/twice per month. hasn't happened for a while actually
[09:25:30] <crutchy> do you have adsl2+ stderr?
[09:25:46] <stderr> The only one I'm happy about is the Billion box, maybe because it doesn't do anything besides converting ethernet packages to ATM frames. No web/telnet/ssh interface at all. It just convert packages and that's all. Let the Linux box do the routing and stuff...
[09:25:47] <Alberto> anyone has ipv6?
[09:25:48] <crutchy> i found changing net profile can affect things like that
[09:25:58] <stderr> crutchy: Yes.
[09:26:06] <stderr> Alberto: Not native, but yes.
[09:26:11] <Alberto> as me
[09:26:18] <Alberto> can you try ping and ssh to 2001:4978:f:647::2 ?
[09:26:29] <crutchy> what's the big ipv6 wank about anyway?
[09:26:33] <Alberto> i'm using sixxs
[09:26:39] <Alberto> crutchy, the number of ips
[09:26:40] <stderr> 64 bytes from 2001:4978:f:647::2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=286 ms
[09:26:41] <crutchy> still trying to figure out
[09:26:59] <crutchy> it supports more addresses
[09:27:07] <Alberto> crutchy, every single person on the planet and their non-born chindrens can have an ip
[09:27:15] <crutchy> but is it faster?
[09:27:18] <Alberto> means no need2 sell them
[09:27:31] <Alberto> stderr, ssh works?
[09:27:57] <crutchy> meh... nat saved me from ipv6
[09:28:04] <stderr> crutchy: The header is a little bit more sane, so it could be a very tiny bit faster... Nothing you would ever notice...
[09:28:07] <crutchy> nat++
[09:28:07] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: 1
[09:28:16] <stderr> nat--
[09:28:16] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: 0
[09:28:17] <stderr> nat--
[09:28:17] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: -1
[09:28:17] <stderr> nat--
[09:28:17] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: -2
[09:28:17] <stderr> nat--
[09:28:17] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: -3
[09:28:18] <stderr> nat--
[09:28:18] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat: -4
[09:28:20] <crutchy> lol
[09:28:24] <Alberto> crutchy, http://www.internetsociety.org
[09:28:25] <stderr> ECDSA key fingerprint is 35:d1:e8:5b:77:01:2b:e8:fb:b5:65:99:cd:9d:88:12.
[09:29:13] <crutchy> not sure if my isp supports ipv6
[09:29:30] <stderr> If not, tunnelbroker is your friend... :-)
[09:29:42] <stderr> Or sixxxxxxxs.
[09:29:55] <stderr> I can't remember how many x's it is. :-)
[09:29:57] <Alberto> yeah! :p
[09:30:02] <Alberto> sixxs
[09:30:05] <Alberto> 2
[09:30:20] <stderr> I guess siXXXs is something else... :-)
[09:30:51] <crutchy> ipv6 might not play nice with the NBN rollout here
[09:31:15] <crutchy> if it ever actually rolls out to my area :-(
[09:31:40] <crutchy> supposed to be in next 12 months 6 months ago
[09:31:44] <crutchy> but not very hopeful
[09:33:53] <stderr> Just get an IPv6 range at tunnelbroker or sixxs now so you can test if everything at your end is working with IPv6. If you later get native IPv6, you can always dump that test-range and switch over to the native address range.
[09:34:09] <stderr> Alberto: How big a range do you get at sixxs?
[09:34:20] <Alberto> let me see
[09:34:38] <Alberto> 2001:4978:f:8647::/64
[09:34:41] <Alberto> is that right?
[09:34:58] <stderr> Sounds right. The same as tunnelbroker.
[09:35:30] <stderr> <- 2001:470:28:8b2::/64
[09:36:07] <Alberto> how many ips on a /64 ?
[09:36:10] <stderr> (And another range for another router, but that one isn't configured anywhere yet, so no go...)
[09:36:23] <crutchy> now we're in trouble
[09:36:31] <crutchy> kobach is awake :-P
[09:36:43] <stderr> Well, IPv6 is 128 bits, so 128-64=64 bits left for you to have fun with... 2^64 = .... Too many...
[09:37:28] <Alberto> uppers of bacon are: revolution: 100020, Alberto: 3039, paulej72: 1337, kobach: 1335
[09:37:42] <Alberto> kobach will cheat, remember that
[09:37:43] <Alberto> :p
[09:38:13] <crutchy> lol
[09:38:14] <Alberto> stderr, thats what i like of ipv6
[09:38:19] <Alberto> no fight again'st an ip
[09:38:35] <Alberto> the real issue is the ptr and hostnames
[09:38:48] <Alberto> will be a very long "for $name in" lol
[09:38:49] <crutchy> vhosts++
[09:38:49] <PoeticWarlord> karma - vhosts: 1
[09:39:11] <crutchy> nat_n_vhosts++
[09:39:11] <PoeticWarlord> karma - nat_n_vhosts: 1
[09:39:13] <crutchy> :-P
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[09:39:50] <crutchy> ipv6 seems like just another way to extort money
[09:40:10] <crutchy> selling numbers
[09:40:56] <stderr> Alberto: You mean 0.1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.a.b.c.d.e.f.2.b.8.0.8.2.0.0.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.? That's short and soooo easy to remember. :-)
[09:41:07] <Alberto> hahahahahahaha
[09:41:32] <stderr> crutchy: Except that tunnelbroker is giving away /64 ranges for free...
[09:41:49] <Alberto> crutchy, GLOBALS?!
[09:42:21] <crutchy> free eh
[09:42:27] <crutchy> well i guess that's good
[09:42:30] <crutchy> :-)
[09:42:40] <crutchy> what's wrong alberto?
[09:44:05] <Alberto> nvm
[09:44:08] <Alberto> i hate globals
[09:44:09] <Alberto> :p
[09:45:03] <Alberto> poor kobach
[09:45:05] <Alberto> hahaha
[09:46:35] <Alberto> how i ignore deps on a apt-get install PACKAGE_NAME ?
[09:47:56] <crutchy> dunno... never tempted that
[09:48:11] <crutchy> apt-get --help
[09:48:24] <crutchy> maybe dpkg?
[09:48:32] <Alberto> i rly hate that tzdata
[09:48:37] <Alberto> i need it but i can't install it
[09:48:40] <Alberto> i'm so mad!
[09:48:53] <stderr> Maybe you should fix that problem...
[09:49:14] <Alberto> i installed ubuntu on a phone and fixed over 700 packages to get this crap working :P
[09:49:20] <crutchy> can try dpkg --ignore-depends
[09:50:23] <janrinok> ah life is found
[09:50:24] <Alberto> tried, still failing
[09:51:02] <janrinok> You seem to have found the same problem that I have ! I can't log on to either main or dev site.
[09:51:02] <stderr> The good thing about not seeing the error message is that it makes it so much easier to help...
[09:51:45] <Alberto> stderr, lol true that
[09:51:45] <janrinok> morning all, stderr Alberto, crutchy
[09:51:52] <crutchy> hi janrinok
[09:51:56] <stderr> Hey.
[09:51:59] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - Performance Magic: What Moves You Guys? - http://sylnt.us - now-you-see-it
[09:52:14] <janrinok> I take it I am not alone with this log-in problem?
[09:53:19] <Alberto> sup janrinok
[09:53:22] <Alberto> stderr, pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ruJ2kXwN
[09:53:37] <janrinok> I'm good, but cannot log into the site
[09:54:05] <Alberto> janrinok, tested and i can
[09:54:19] <crutchy> i haven't logged out
[09:54:23] <crutchy> or been booted
[09:54:41] <janrinok> I can't get in to main or dev
[09:54:52] * crutchy logs out and tries logging back in
[09:55:09] <janrinok> It accepts the username password but treats me as an AC. No editing options either.
[09:55:37] <crutchy> seems to work ok for me
[09:55:43] <stderr> Alberto: Odd... Have you tried reconfiguring tzdata?
[09:55:47] <crutchy> not editing stuff but
[09:55:59] <Alberto> stderr, tried, cailed
[09:56:00] <crutchy> dpkg --reconfigure
[09:56:00] <janrinok> my tz changed to Summer Time overnight
[09:56:04] <crutchy> ?
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[09:56:33] <crutchy> i think the dev/sys guys were talking shop about tz earlier
[09:56:43] <Alberto> tzdata is broken or nor fully installed says
[09:56:50] <crutchy> apparently slash is a horse's arse with tz
[09:57:08] <crutchy> works off some database mostrosity
[09:57:24] <janrinok> or, more correctly, doesn't
[09:57:39] <stderr> Alberto: Try removing/renaming /etc/localtime.
[09:58:11] <stderr> Alberto: And the run LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
[09:58:56] <Alberto> ok
[10:02:19] <Alberto> i get date: invalid date on every single choise
[10:03:05] <janrinok> I've changed my tz and also thried UTC but it doesn;t help
[10:03:15] <janrinok> tried*
[10:03:57] <crutchy> so you can't login at all?
[10:04:07] <crutchy> can you get to your user prefs?
[10:04:30] <janrinok> no, not to the site
[10:04:39] <janrinok> Yes of course
[10:05:00] <crutchy> may ping nc
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[10:05:20] <crutchy> or one of the other gurus
[10:05:27] <crutchy> i'm just a troll sorry :-P
[10:05:33] <janrinok> I doesn't reject my password, but doesn't give me any editor access
[10:05:50] <stderr> Alberto: Very odd indeed... I have no idea what's wrong.
[10:05:58] <janrinok> It treats me as an unknown user
[10:06:14] <crutchy> when you changed your tz, was that in your sn user prefs or on your actual machine clock?
[10:06:40] <janrinok> both
[10:07:06] <janrinok> my clock is set to UTC anyway.
[10:07:32] <janrinok> changing location had no effect.
[10:07:52] <crutchy> seems odd that anything to do with tz would restrict your access to editor stuff
[10:07:59] <janrinok> brb I'll do a full reboot at this end
[10:08:03] <crutchy> not that i would know
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[10:08:26] <crutchy> i've had a look at slash code and database schema a little and it looks friggin horrible
[10:08:41] <crutchy> 180-odd tables in mysql. wtf?
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[10:11:11] <janrinok> nope - exactly the same
[10:11:15] <stderr> Parts of Slashcode looks a lot like someone just heard about databases and decided that everything should be in a database.
[10:11:23] <janrinok> lol
[10:12:08] <janrinok> \join #staff
[10:12:12] <janrinok> fuck
[10:12:18] <crutchy> woops :-P
[10:12:49] <janrinok> typing without looking....
[10:13:29] <janrinok> I've a mixture of UK and Fr kbds. Guess I was using the wrong one in my head
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[10:14:58] <janrinok> well, I have an hour or more before the next story is due out. Anyone got a plan?
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[10:15:56] <janrinok> Who is taking the lead on this problem?
[10:16:07] <stderr> Not me. :-)
[10:16:19] <janrinok> I suggest someone who can actually log in :)
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[10:17:07] <janrinok> good, that's settled then. Next person to join is in charge....
[10:17:43] <stderr> Just the next person? No requirements about being part of staff or anything?
[10:18:05] <janrinok> does it matter if they can't log in?
[10:18:43] <janrinok> It could be cleaner for all the good it will do us
[10:19:14] <janrinok> anybody here who is actually part of sys?
[10:19:36] <janrinok> anybody know someone who is actually part of sys?
[10:19:54] <stderr> xlefay...
[10:19:55] <janrinok> anybody know someone who once dated the sister of someone in sys?
[10:20:12] <janrinok> ping xlefay
[10:20:34] <janrinok> but I couldn't get a response on the staff or sys channels
[10:22:51] <janrinok> #staff seems dead
[10:23:05] <stderr> Have you tried logging in on both http and https?
[10:23:15] <janrinok> not literally of course
[10:23:27] <janrinok> nope. I'll give it a go
[10:24:22] <janrinok> yes- and no change
[10:24:55] <janrinok> this is my only contact with the sn world
[10:24:59] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[10:25:24] <janrinok> hi MrBluze how's things>
[10:26:21] <Alberto> crutchy, planning to go sleep?
[10:26:34] * Alberto spy on crutchy so he can beat his coffee score
[10:26:35] <crutchy> janrinok: this is where the most awesome happens anyway :-D
[10:26:40] <crutchy> lol
[10:26:43] <MrBluze> hi janrinok
[10:26:50] <MrBluze> good .. still doing kids music lessons
[10:26:56] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[10:27:16] <crutchy> check out the crunch git now ;-)
[10:27:19] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[10:29:35] <crutchy> how you been?
[10:30:29] <MrBluze> i been ok
[10:30:34] <MrBluze> doing kids lessons
[10:30:37] <MrBluze> afk for a bit longer
[10:37:27] <janrinok> NCommander is on it!
[10:39:02] <NCommander> janrinok, so ... I replaced your PW hash in the dev database and can't log in at all
[10:39:05] <crutchy> he's prolly looking for an excuse not to do legal shit
[10:39:41] <NCommander> That
[10:39:49] * NCommander resets janrinok's email and uses the PW resetter
[10:39:54] <janrinok> lol - he confessed that he was 'just fiddling with some slashcode'
[10:40:26] <crutchy> he must be a masochist
[10:41:00] <NCommander> janrinok, you're going to love this
[10:41:07] <NCommander> janrinok, logged in as you ... and I have fully working slash
[10:41:08] <janrinok> tell me tell me
[10:41:29] <janrinok> ah, slash has fallen out with me then
[10:41:47] <NCommander> janrinok, I have that damn feeling this is deeper than that
[10:41:55] <NCommander> janrinok, can you disable Javascript on your machine and attempt to log in?
[10:41:59] <janrinok> me too
[10:42:05] <janrinok> it hates me?
[10:42:23] <NCommander> janrinok, which timezone, British Summer Time?
[10:42:33] * NCommander is going to reset his local clock and try and reproduce
[10:42:36] <janrinok> js is always dsabled . yes to BST
[10:42:59] <janrinok> doyou still want me to log int?
[10:43:10] <NCommander> janrinok, try and log in with the PW I'm PMing you
[10:43:21] <janrinok> OK
[10:43:41] <NCommander> janrinok, this is dev, not production
[10:43:44] * NCommander isn't afraid to blow dev up
[10:44:26] <crutchy> i'm sure slash will eventually arrange that for you
[10:45:25] <janrinok> ok i'll try again
[10:46:17] <janrinok> Nope - the same
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[10:46:49] <prospectacle> hello hello
[10:46:49] <janrinok> i;ve been 'Danger Will Robinson'd
[10:47:26] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[10:47:51] <prospectacle> how's it going?
[10:47:53] <NCommander> janrinok, the frack
[10:48:24] <NCommander> janrinok, http://dev.soylentnews.org - I can login here with your account
[10:48:45] <janrinok> I can log in but no ed options and still being treated as AC
[10:50:23] <prospectacle> crutchy, I've put some more php on my journal, if you're bored and looking for something to read. It's another voting system. This time it uses "Borda Count".
[10:50:40] <crutchy> with glowballs?
[10:50:48] <prospectacle> of course
[10:50:52] * crutchy checking out
[10:50:53] <prospectacle> what's a glowball?
[10:51:00] <crutchy> :-D
[10:51:25] <crutchy> xlefay's invention
[10:52:32] <prospectacle> cool what do they do?
[10:53:31] <crutchy> cool
[10:53:53] <crutchy> they store data which can be accessed from anywhere in a program :-P
[10:53:59] <crutchy> glowballs = blobals
[10:54:07] <crutchy> s/blo/glo/
[10:54:07] <SedBot> <crutchy> glowballs = globals
[10:54:41] <crutchy> you gunna coderize your voting system for irc or something?
[10:54:48] <crutchy> or you looking for a helper?
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[10:55:01] <crutchy> *pick me*
[10:55:22] <crutchy> i can do globals as good as the next guy :-P
[10:55:24] <prospectacle> oh i get it.
[10:55:34] <crutchy> :-P
[10:55:37] <prospectacle> crutchy. Well it started as a propsoal for
[10:55:40] <prospectacle> oops
[10:56:08] <crutchy> did you trip over your mouse?
[10:56:13] <prospectacle> crutchy well it started as a proposal for SN to use, but I gather they've written their own one. Anyway I've been updating at people have mentioned how they might like it to work.
[10:56:44] <crutchy> i reckon polls in irc would be awesome
[10:56:50] <crutchy> there aren't enough polls in SN
[10:56:51] <prospectacle> so someone asked about duplicate ranks and I'm like. Yes it does allow those, but I'll write one that doesn't. Mostly for fun really. Maybe I'll get to use it one day.
[10:57:04] <crutchy> sounds good to me
[10:57:10] <prospectacle> Yeah they're working on it. Soon, when there's a good polling system, I believe there will be no end to the polls.
[10:57:19] <crutchy> i don't much get the theory, but your code looks ok
[10:57:38] <prospectacle> thanks.
[10:57:49] <crutchy> you just need to irc'erize it or something
[10:58:01] <prospectacle> Basically you just write "Crutchy =1 \n Prospectacle=2" in a forum post or email, and this script counts all the votes and decides a winner
[10:58:26] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah maybe I could combine it with your bot and make a live-irc-vote type thing for all present. Add a time-limit and bingo
[10:58:46] <crutchy> i would only count registered nicks
[10:58:51] <crutchy> not sure how to tell that
[10:58:57] <crutchy> but the wizards would know
[10:59:04] <prospectacle> we could vote on what kind of bacon is the best, for exmaple
[10:59:09] <prospectacle> Important questions
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[10:59:28] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah I think there's some irc command for that. Are you registered? I can do a test.
[10:59:28] <crutchy> hmm i hear coffee is doing quite well today :-D
[10:59:34] <prospectacle> coffee++
[10:59:34] <PoeticWarlord> karma - coffee: 4
[10:59:37] <crutchy> yeah ia m
[10:59:38] <Subsentient> $sr --nocab
[10:59:44] * Subsentient snarls
[10:59:48] <Subsentient> bacon--
[10:59:48] <PoeticWarlord> karma - bacon: 190
[10:59:58] <crutchy> in ##
[11:00:44] <prospectacle> looks like the "whois" command tells you if someone has an account
[11:08:33] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[11:11:25] <crutchy> whois crutchy
[11:11:45] <MrBluze> he is crutchy
[11:11:47] <crutchy> mine says account: crutchy
[11:11:56] <crutchy> lol
[11:12:00] <crutchy> i dunno about that
[11:12:01] <MrBluze> mine says more
[11:12:28] <crutchy> yours says account: MrBluze
[11:12:43] <prospectacle> crutchy, i think it means if you go /nick im_not_crutchy_anymore, your whois info will still say account:crutchy
[11:12:50] <prospectacle> but why speculate...
[11:12:56] prospectacle is now known as prospectacle_incognito
[11:13:00] <MrBluze> [Whois] MrBluze is wearing red underpants.
[11:13:04] <crutchy> i think cos you still registered on ns
[11:13:22] prospectacle_incognito is now known as prospectacle
[11:13:24] <prospectacle> yes it works
[11:13:35] <crutchy> whois for a soyguest doesn;t show account
[11:13:49] crutchy is now known as crutchy|is_awesome
[11:13:52] <prospectacle> right.
[11:14:00] <MrBluze> left.
[11:14:20] crutchy|is_awesome is now known as crutchy
[11:14:40] <crutchy> yeah that would be good way to make sure people only vote once
[11:14:55] <crutchy> uses account name in whois
[11:15:06] <crutchy> s/ name//
[11:15:06] <SedBot> <crutchy> uses account in whois
[11:15:53] <crutchy> i can try make a little command for crunch that extracts the whois account (if any)
[11:16:04] <crutchy> not sure how atm
[11:16:12] <crutchy> i'll just make shit up as i go :-P
[11:16:26] <prospectacle> sounds like the right approach for any hobby project
[11:16:49] <crutchy> well i know it gets spit out of a /whois cmd
[11:16:55] <prospectacle> I guess if you just go "/whois $name" and then explode the lines by "\n" and each line by ":", then you can find the one with "account" in it, if any
[11:17:01] <crutchy> that's as good as any place to start :-P
[11:17:08] <crutchy> yeah
[11:17:12] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[11:17:22] <crutchy> omg i've jinxed the whole operation :-P
[11:17:32] <crutchy> i don't plan shit
[11:17:36] <prospectacle> oh no not a plan
[11:18:12] <prospectacle> better change something spontaneously and without regard for the consequences, or this might start to resemble work
[11:18:18] <prospectacle> and this is the weekend.
[11:19:02] <crutchy> more globals
[11:19:41] <MrBluze> crutchy's gobals are so bright, I have been thinking of taking him camping so I have a light to read to at night
[11:19:52] * MrBluze ducks
[11:21:08] <prospectacle> shining examples to us all, MrBluze
[11:21:37] <MrBluze> glowing
[11:22:11] <prospectacle> oh yeah, right
[11:22:41] <MrBluze> ;)
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[11:33:18] <janrinok> hi guys back again
[11:36:03] <prospectacle> good day to you janrinok
[11:38:04] <crutchy> g'day janrinok
[11:38:12] <crutchy> join the chaos and madness
[11:38:52] <crutchy> well, most of that us usally in ##
[11:38:59] <crutchy> s/us/is/
[11:38:59] <SedBot> <crutchy> well, most of that is usally in ##
[11:42:13] <MrBluze> s/usally/usually
[11:42:13] * SedBot offers MrBleze a /
[11:42:26] <MrBluze> s/usally/usually/
[11:42:35] <crutchy> lol
[11:42:39] <crutchy> yeah i suck at smelling
[11:42:47] <MrBluze> s/MrBleze/MrBluze/
[11:42:54] <MrBluze> SedBot doesn't correct itself
[11:42:54] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[11:44:43] <crutchy> getting there prospectacle
[11:44:51] <prospectacle> SedBot s/line awk/dog sled/
[11:44:51] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[11:44:59] <prospectacle> SedBot: s/line awk/dog sled/
[11:44:59] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> is a 53-dog sled script, https://github.com
[11:45:03] <prospectacle> yay
[11:45:25] <prospectacle> crutchy, making the whois on your bot?
[11:45:40] <prospectacle> It will be a swiss army bot before long (isn't that a scary idea, a swiss army bot)
[11:46:44] <prospectacle> wenger brand, very precisely engineered, fuelled only be premium chocolates
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[11:47:37] <crutchy> lol
[11:47:45] <crutchy> and well funded hopefully :-P
[11:48:54] <prospectacle> no doubt. It would have to serve a mandatory two years in the army, but would get to vote on what battles it was sent in to
[12:00:04] <crutchy> testing in ## now
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[12:20:27] * NCommander swears
[12:21:18] <crutchy> fucking hate it when people fucking swear
[12:21:55] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - How the Zetas Cartel Took Over Mexico With Radios - http://sylnt.us - can-you-hear-me-now?
[12:24:20] <xlefay> stderr, janrinok|afk ?
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[13:15:43] <neagix> t
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[13:32:13] <PoeticWarlord> [xlefay] test
[13:32:18] <xlefay> woa, it still works
[13:34:45] <xlefay> but only 18 people @ ##altslashdot ;)
[13:39:20] <xlefay> MrBluze:
[13:39:31] <xlefay> SedBot, s/sled/sed/
[13:39:31] <SedBot> <xlefay> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> is a 53-dog sed script, https://github.com
[13:39:59] <xlefay> That's how you correct it :P
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[13:46:14] <MrBluze> xlefay: ?
[13:46:38] <xlefay> <MrBluze> s/MrBleze/MrBluze/
[13:46:38] <xlefay> <MrBluze> SedBot doesn't correct itself
[13:46:56] <xlefay> prepend it with 'Sedbot, ' and it'll work ;)
[13:47:40] <MrBluze> ohh
[13:47:43] <MrBluze> :) ok
[13:47:56] <xlefay> How are you?
[13:48:44] <MrBluze> ugh .. busy
[13:48:52] <MrBluze> i have to finish this app i am writing for work
[13:48:56] <MrBluze> but its buggy
[13:49:09] <MrBluze> trying make wxwidgets do too much
[13:49:22] <xlefay> Oh, good luck ;)
[13:49:44] <MrBluze> how have u been?
[13:49:53] <MrBluze> yeah its my project for this week.. i gotta put in some hard work to get it done
[13:50:16] <xlefay> Busy, mostly with the monitoring stuff atm
[13:50:27] <MrBluze> yeah
[13:50:30] <xlefay> I'll stop distracting you then :)
[13:50:37] <MrBluze> haha lol no problems
[13:50:44] <MrBluze> im getting there slowly, but it's a painful bug
[13:51:00] <MrBluze> i rearranged where config files are stored, and now i am seeing they are not loading reliably
[13:51:35] <xlefay> "loading reliably"?
[13:52:30] <xlefay> Does that mean sometimes they do load and other times they don't?
[13:52:37] <MrBluze> yes
[13:52:47] <MrBluze> mainly because i added a function to change where global files are kept
[13:52:58] <xlefay> That's odd
[13:53:00] <MrBluze> err global config files .. shared between instances of the app across the network
[13:53:05] <xlefay> oh
[13:53:09] <xlefay> NFS?
[13:53:16] <MrBluze> yes
[13:53:28] <MrBluze> this app is distributed across the network, no server - but shared data
[13:53:36] <MrBluze> distributed database ;)
[13:53:43] <xlefay> sqlite...? :)
[13:53:49] <MrBluze> lol yes
[13:53:56] <MrBluze> once i get it right it will work forever
[13:54:15] <xlefay> See, this is why one uses a real RDBMS for this kinda stuff ;)
[13:55:07] <xlefay> Might be better to just have a local sqlite file everywhere and merge changes later on (although, could get complicated depending on what you're doing)?
[13:55:42] <MrBluze> the distributed data is fine
[13:55:45] <xlefay> oh ok
[13:55:53] <xlefay> The config isn't in the DB then?
[13:55:59] <MrBluze> its just the config files.. which contain lists, indexes and stuff that have to update across the network if they change
[13:56:13] <xlefay> I would be concerned whether a computer takes an exclusive lock of the file
[13:56:13] <MrBluze> i did it like so:
[13:56:22] <xlefay> s/the/a/
[13:56:22] <SedBot> <xlefay> I would be concerned whear a computer takes an exclusive lock of the file
[13:56:30] <MrBluze> oh.. that is handled well with sqlite
[13:56:42] <MrBluze> worst thing that happens is u get a few millisecond delay
[13:56:51] <xlefay> Oh ok, I thought that might explain your trouble with the config files not loading reliable
[13:56:53] <MrBluze> and if network is shit, a few seconds
[13:57:06] <MrBluze> nah it's just one function is tryign to load locally, another remotely
[13:57:11] <MrBluze> i think its just my shitty code
[13:57:53] <xlefay> Well, good luck, hope you get it fixed :)
[13:59:29] <MrBluze> thanks.. i will
[13:59:39] <MrBluze> its only about 5000 lines
[13:59:45] <xlefay> auch
[14:00:15] <MrBluze> :) that's small .. much tidier than my old project when i was even more stupid
[14:00:27] <MrBluze> .. though that is surprisingly bug free year after year
[14:00:34] <xlefay> It's small sure, but more code can be a pain at times ;)
[14:00:41] <MrBluze> yes.. c++
[14:00:44] <MrBluze> and a lot of comments
[14:01:08] <xlefay> my code is about >33% comments generally
[14:01:14] <MrBluze> but when i have to unravel so much stuff.. it goes back to being an alpha :(
[14:01:44] <xlefay> yea
[14:03:13] <MrBluze> not as bad as debugging sn
[14:03:20] <MrBluze> not by a million miles
[14:05:39] <xlefay> add a few more miles and you'll be getting close to just how bad :P
[14:07:29] <MrBluze> lol
[14:07:54] <MrBluze> at the beginning i did a bit of a reading of the code. if it was php i would have gone in and started working with it
[14:08:09] <MrBluze> but to learn perl and be good at it in such a short time is too much for me .. im just too busy
[14:15:59] <ar> i recently wrote a bash script that was >50% comments
[14:16:49] <ar> (mostly because it did some stuff on arrays that might blow up if copy-pasted somewhere else, as array operations in bash are, by definition, naive)
[14:19:53] <MrBluze> comments are good
[14:19:58] <MrBluze> they save your bacon
[14:19:59] <MrBluze> bacon++
[14:19:59] <PoeticWarlord> karma - bacon: 191
[14:21:01] <xlefay> oops sorry, was cleaning
[14:21:31] <MrBluze> all good :)
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[14:52:57] <MrBluze> solved..
[14:53:39] <MrBluze> wasn't a config, was a UI tweak that caused a mismatch in the database index and data entry .. had to put a catch in for it
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[15:05:20] <ar> xlefay: you stopped irpg simply because you wanted to avoid penalties from part/join of host change? :p
[15:05:41] <xlefay> We should ask fatphil to remove that penalty
[15:05:54] <xlefay> e.g. only penalty when the quit starts with 'Quit:' (otherwise, it's server related, mostly)
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[15:06:12] <xlefay> Which is silly, since, for instance, if your host changes you get penalized
[15:07:00] <xlefay> so, you're arachnist eh?
[15:07:20] <ar> yup
[15:07:29] <xlefay> Dang you ran straight past all of us ;)
[15:07:55] <xlefay> But yes, I did that x'D
[15:08:23] <xlefay> Didn't want to get penalized yet again for something silly such as a host change
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[15:22:09] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - 1994 Social Media Site Restoration - http://sylnt.us - Vive-le-Minitel
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[15:45:55] <ar> and as for running straight past all of you, i guess that's just a matter of luck
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[15:51:56] <xlefay> :D
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[15:54:54] <SoylentMUD> see you in a few hours (MUD\Mattiep)
[15:55:02] <xlefay> ciao :)
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[16:57:14] <janrinok> Lez22740!
[16:57:25] <janrinok> Oops
[16:57:39] <janrinok> wrong keyboard
[17:04:55] <xlefay> Blame the keyboard, works every time
[17:05:28] * xlefay notes that somewhat looks like a password..
[17:06:17] <xlefay> What's up janrinok ? :)
[17:23:59] <chimp> xlefay: All I saw was ******?
[17:24:12] <janrinok> lol
[17:24:20] <xlefay> !grab chimp
[17:24:20] <PoeticWarlord> Added quote 73
[17:24:29] <xlefay> haha :)
[17:24:36] <janrinok> me, compromise a password, no sir, never sir, not I
[17:25:26] <n1> good times
[17:25:37] <janrinok> hi n1, how's the headache?
[17:26:14] <n1> how did you know i have a headache?
[17:26:17] <n1> :o
[17:26:19] <janrinok> lol
[17:28:02] <n1> hopefully in a couple hours once im done with this specification and deal with some other thigns, i'll start to feel better
[17:28:25] <n1> how are things for you, janrinok
[17:28:39] <janrinok> n1 - if you want something fairly easy to begin with, take a look at http://wiki.soylentnews.org and let me know what you think.
[17:29:21] <janrinok> I'm fine and just about to dash off and make our dinner. Greek style lamb, rice, and aubergine with garlic.
[17:29:36] <n1> i'll be a little while, i'll read that after im done with work
[17:29:50] <janrinok> no rush - I haven't finished it by a long chalk
[17:30:58] <janrinok> anyway, must go. bbl8r.
[17:31:05] <n1> take it easy
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[17:31:12] <janrinok|afk> u2
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[20:41:34] <PoeticWarlord> [SoylentNews] - TV Sales Plummetting - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-think-of-the-stores
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[21:14:13] <stderr> I'm glad to see that people are starting to use Occam's razor... http://soylentnews.org
[21:15:34] <n1> i was pondering if thats a story worth running with or not
[21:16:18] <n1> is it really news/relevent? or is it just flamebait?
[21:19:28] <stderr> I guess everything is news, unless it's old... But it might not be relevant.
[21:19:57] <stderr> It could be posted the day after tomorrow, if you need some silly articles...
[21:21:43] <stderr> I think http://soylentnews.org can be deleted, since http://soylentnews.org has already been posted.
[21:22:35] <n1> yeah it's on the list for deletion
[21:22:40] <n1> i think janrinok is clearing it all up now
[21:22:58] <n1> think we're doing a clear out once a week
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[21:25:17] <stderr> Be careful with that... People might just see a long list of submissions in the "firehose", but won't notice that some of them ain't relevant anymore. If there's already a lot of submissions, people might not look for more stories to submit.
[21:26:46] <n1> do we even have the 'firehose'?
[21:26:54] <xlefay> v52
[21:27:16] <mattie_p> its not called firehose, but the list of submissions is publicly available for those interested
[21:27:40] <n1> i knew they were available, but i didnt know the list was
[21:27:49] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org
[21:28:27] <stderr> It's not the firehose. That's why I call it the "firehose".
[21:28:46] <n1> yeah
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[21:51:59] <hka> xlefay: is irpg logged?
[21:56:17] <xlefay> Yes
[21:56:51] <xlefay> http://logs.sylnt.us ;)
[21:57:51] <xlefay> Good night! I'm off for now. :)
[21:57:54] <hka> is there any feature in the bot that keeps track of who have beaten whom?
[21:58:11] <hka> G'night
[21:58:43] <xlefay> No, but long term I plan to poll and save that data for the my nerdrpg website, so we can do all sorts of fun stuff with that date
[21:58:51] * xlefay was thinking about timeline.js amongst others
[21:59:40] <xlefay> data*
[22:00:34] <xlefay> <NerdRPG> xlefay, the level 46 baconator, is #3! Next level in 2 days, 18:02:45. w00t I'm #3 again
[22:00:43] <hka> :D
[22:00:59] <xlefay> now I just gotta get back to #1 ;D
[22:01:24] <hka> hoho the one over me is offline:D
[22:02:59] <xlefay> hka, when I've got that all done, the data will be freely accessible for everyone, so you'll be able to just download a tar ball or just poll the site directly and receive a json response for your query
[22:03:27] <xlefay> tarball * :)
[22:03:44] <xlefay> haha, that's cool, easy to get ahead then :)
[22:04:03] <hka> nice, thought about extracting some data from the logs otherwise to get info about how much time I've lost/gained from combat^^
[22:04:45] <xlefay> Yeah, that's what I'm going to do to get historical data when I've got more time to continue with my version of the nerdrpg site
[22:05:33] <xlefay> So if you do and care to share the script you used, I would like to use it later on as well ;)
[22:08:41] <xlefay> I'm off for now, good night! ;)
[22:08:50] <janrinok> cheers xlefay
[22:08:56] <xlefay> janrinok, be safe!
[22:08:59] <janrinok> u2
[22:09:02] <FoobarBazbot_> night, xlefay
[22:09:16] <xlefay> Take care :)
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[23:30:17] <SoylentMUD> test (MUD\Mattiep)
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[23:37:16] <stderr> SoylentMUD: Why is your client saying "(MUD\Mattiep)" at the end of every line?
[23:38:00] <SoylentMUD> I added that in, once I upload it other users can post via IRC, and their user name will show up (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:38:24] <SoylentMUD> right now since I am the only user, it only shows mattiep, tho (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:39:02] <stderr> Users on IRC can have lines showing up on IRC? WOW!!! :-)
[23:40:14] <SoylentMUD> stderr, right now I am chatting on IRC via a ROM2.4b6 MUD, using an internal communications channel I programmed to interface with IRC. (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:40:45] <SoylentMUD> the MUD program is the IRC client, but with the capability of supporting multiple users on the client at once (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:41:26] <stderr> Ah... This is the first I hear about it being anything other than just an IRC client... :-)
[23:41:39] <stderr> Things are making a little bit more sense now...
[23:41:45] <SoylentMUD> ahh, I understand. (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:42:31] <SoylentMUD> I just wanted to make sure people knew who it was who was talking, and that SoylentMUD is just an interface, not a person (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:44:32] <stderr> Is the MUD going to be used on other networks than SoylentNews? If not, maybe it could act like an IRC-server instead and have each MUD-user show up as an ordinary IRC-user who just happens to be connected to the MUD "IRC-server".
[23:45:45] <SoylentMUD> creating it as an IRC server would take a lot more work. there is no reason it couldn't act as one, and I could have it join other channels, just right now I don't particularly feel like adding that functionality (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:46:44] <SoylentMUD> especially as right now, by using code from sic, almost everything, including the server, PASS, NICK, and USER, and initial channel (##) are hard-coded in as global variables (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:47:14] <stderr> Ok.
[23:47:20] <SoylentMUD> that will change, but right now I'm pretty happy that I adapted sic into circa 1998 c code (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:51:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oculus Should Refund Kickstarter Money - http://sylnt.us - its-not-business-until-you-sell-out
[23:56:22] <SoylentMUD> testing (MUD\Mattiep)
[23:57:22] <SoylentMUD> testing I don't have to be an admin (MUD\Mattie)