#Soylent | Logs for 2014-03-21

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[00:11:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Watch the Watchers with Federal Contracts Database - http://sylnt.us - quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes?
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[00:30:58] <FunPika> poutine--
[00:30:58] <Bender> karma - poutine: -322
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[00:32:06] <FunPika> dice--
[00:32:06] <Bender> karma - dice: -6
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[01:30:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's 'Mr. Fix-it' Dies at 94 - http://sylnt.us
[01:34:27] <SpallsHurgenson> of the 12 people who have walked on the moon, only 8 are still alive... and the youngest is 78. Soon there won't be anyone left on Earth who has visited another planet. That's sad.
[01:38:37] <Landon> well
[01:38:39] <Landon> technically
[01:38:47] <Landon> no one on earth has visited another planet :)
[01:42:06] <SpallsHurgenson> damn pedants :)
[01:48:15] <SpallsHurgenson> and anyway, trying telling the Moonians (Moonites? Mooners?) that their home isn't a planet; they wil get quite cross with you :)
[01:50:12] <Landon> yeah yeah yeah
[01:50:16] <Landon> and we're just a rock giant
[01:50:17] <Landon> :)
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[01:52:41] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, that's why we should all chip in and fund a giant catapult so we can get new astronauts to the moon
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[01:53:52] <Popeidol> kickstarter time.
[01:54:19] <Popeidol> we just need a really convincing video and a scale model
[01:54:21] <SpallsHurgenson> somebody do the math, see how large a catapult we would need :)
[01:55:27] <SpallsHurgenson> acceleration might be a problem; people can handle 300G, right?
[01:56:17] <Popeidol> oh, you want to do this with live people?
[01:56:20] <Popeidol> never mind
[01:56:43] <SpallsHurgenson> well, alive at launch and alive when the reach the moon. They can be dead in between, if necessary :)
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[02:36:35] <combatserver> "Turns out things might not be as spontaneous as they seem – in fact, in the paranoid world of neo-con American journalism things are very rarely spontaneous. They’re usually nasty, angry, ugly exchanges full of trolly self-righteous butthurt. " http://rt.com Gotta love Psy/ops journalism. The irony is particularly ironic.
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[03:22:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Worm Evolves to Eat GMO Corn Designed to Kill It - http://sylnt.us - we-told-you-so
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[04:51:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Turkey's PM Might Ban Twitter etc - http://sylnt.us - the-citizens-will-be-the-losers
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[05:22:52] * mrcoolbp should be in bed already...
[05:24:05] <arti> this is why you need a laptop
[05:25:45] <Landon> https://www.youtube.com
[05:32:15] <mrcoolbp> nice
[05:32:23] <mrcoolbp> that was sweeeeeet
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[05:32:54] <mrcoolbp> hey subsentient
[05:33:44] <Subsentient> hi mrcoolbp
[05:42:18] <arti> evening
[05:42:25] <arti> how's the string stuff coming along?
[05:43:34] <Subsentient> arti: I'm using it in aqu4.
[05:43:38] <Subsentient> $help
[05:43:38] <aqu4> I'm aqu4bot baking. I'm a bot written in pure C by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
[05:48:17] <arti> ah very cool, i'll give a look later tonight
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[06:46:30] <crutchy> woohoo! weekend finally
[06:47:06] <arti> nice
[06:47:16] * arti pops a party favor
[06:47:49] <crutchy> hi arti
[06:48:03] <arti> g'oop, sir.
[06:48:07] <crutchy> must be friday morning there is it?
[06:48:09] <crutchy> lol
[06:48:18] <arti> 22:48
[06:48:22] <arti> thursday -_-
[06:48:31] <crutchy> bugger
[06:48:37] <arti> it's cool, got some code coming together
[06:48:47] <crutchy> :-)
[06:48:53] <crutchy> what code?
[06:48:58] <arti> figured out how to make toggle map points manipulating visibility properties (yay for less arrays)
[06:49:12] <crutchy> wow
[06:49:13] <arti> working on a sooper secret upgrade to one of my sites
[06:49:24] <crutchy> i have no idea what that means
[06:49:28] <crutchy> :-P
[06:49:38] <arti> been hacking on this for about a year
[06:50:10] <arti> any plans this weekend?
[06:50:34] <crutchy> nup
[06:50:44] <crutchy> ima gunna do fk all
[06:50:49] <arti> sounds blissful
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[06:51:03] <crutchy> i done enough during the week
[06:51:21] <crutchy> 'you?
[06:51:34] <arti> trying to wrap my mind around haskell
[06:51:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Natl. Academies Create Cosmos Collection - http://sylnt.us - My-God-it's-full-of-stars
[06:51:49] <crutchy> ah i remember u mentioned that
[06:52:01] <arti> it's pretty sweet, it's been slow going though
[06:52:23] <arti> maybe make some more tunes
[06:52:57] <crutchy> what you use for tunes?
[06:54:24] <arti> fl studio (been using it for ages)
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[07:00:56] <crutchy> is that what sonny moore uses?
[07:04:33] <arti> maybe? it's my goto for sound generation, i'm pretty comfortable in it, like photoshop
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[07:07:39] <arti> hail
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[07:10:53] <juggs> Just going to drop this link in here (forgive me) http://www.youtube.com - flying a cam drone (quadcopter I think) over an active volcano. Hit mute before link, it is accompanied by an electronica soundtrack that may not be to everyone's taste.
[07:11:55] <juggs> I just found it a nice reminder that we live on a globe of super-heated goo that likes to spit!
[07:12:06] <arti> that's pretty sweet
[07:12:18] <arti> i'll raise you another flying one
[07:12:43] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
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[07:25:00] * arti was completely distracted with youtube videos
[07:39:08] <crutchy> lol mee tto
[07:39:15] <crutchy> s/tto/too/
[07:39:15] <SedBot> <crutchy> lol mee too
[07:39:19] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:40:04] <crutchy> i got no idea how i got to it
[07:40:11] <arti> the myster of the 'tubes
[07:49:22] <crutchy> lol: https://www.youtube.com
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[07:50:13] <arti> the guys face LOLOL
[07:50:21] <arti> avatar worthy
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[07:51:57] <kobach> !grab juggs
[07:51:57] <Bender> Added quote 56
[07:52:05] <kobach> rofl
[07:52:43] <crutchy> this one might be popular here: http://www.youtube.com
[07:53:56] <kobach> was expecting patrick norton when i saw sledgehammer + pc
[07:54:00] * crutchy like the slow mo guys
[07:55:12] <kobach> that slow mo is quite nice
[07:55:34] <crutchy> there's friggin heaps of em
[07:56:37] <kobach> !quote 56
[07:56:37] <Bender> Quote 56 - <juggs> I just found it a nice reminder that we live on a globe of super-heated goo that likes to spit!
[07:56:39] <kobach> rofl
[07:56:49] <kobach> glad i grabbed it in time
[07:57:30] <kobach> bbl
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[08:14:17] <kobach> still working on sleeping
[08:14:57] <kobach> smoking now
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[09:20:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Time-Machine for Phone Calls Abroad - http://sylnt.us - if-a-phone-is-tapped-and-no-one-hears-it-does-it-make-a-sound
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[10:53:53] <crutchy> 8008135++
[10:53:53] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 5
[10:54:23] <crutchy> !stats
[10:54:23] <Bender> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[10:54:32] <Bender> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 6683, xlefay: 6347, kobach: 5519, unknown: 4889, MrBluze: 3550, arti: 3059, hax0rz: 2675, Khyber: 2209, Landon: 2078, Konomi: 2014, mattie_p: 1930, janrinok: 1569, Bender: 1482, Guardian452: 1480, NCommander: 1436, stderr: 1289, n1: 1263, FatPhil: 1119, prospectacle: 981, mrcoolbp: 979, swisskid: 966, martyb: 960, auto_def: 905, Ethanol-fueled: 884, SpallsHurgenson: 808, NezSez: 797, useless: 797, juggs: 777, weilawei
[10:56:20] <crutchy> :-(
[10:56:38] <Konomi> crutchy = noisey
[10:58:40] <Konomi> going to irc like it's jan 1 1970
[11:01:07] <TME520> jan 1 1970, the beginning of $TIME
[11:07:52] <crutchy> i'm top of the has-no-life list... woohoo!
[11:11:22] <Popeidol> it's important to be the best at something
[11:12:21] <Popeidol> I myself am very good at holding back sneezes
[11:12:35] <crutchy> looking at bright light source?
[11:13:02] <crutchy> (usually works for me)
[11:13:44] <Popeidol> I just use the perfect control I have over every muscle in my body
[11:14:44] <Popeidol> which is totally a thing
[11:19:18] <crutchy> oky doky
[11:21:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Science Fiction Stories that Get the Science Right - http://sylnt.us - To-Verisimilitude-and-Beyond
[11:22:20] <Popeidol> well that one is going to get a few comments
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[11:35:34] <crutchy> OMFG this guy is a genius! - http://www.youtube.com
[11:38:45] <SirFinkus> reminds me of how to basic
[11:38:46] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[11:38:47] <hka> Wow, it has been ruled that Dotcom isn't allowed to see the evidence the United States plan to use to get him extradited.
[11:49:13] <MrBluze> the best justice that money can buy
[11:52:21] <SirFinkus> I don't really understand how he can be extradited anyway, he isn't even a US citizen
[11:53:07] <SirFinkus> if I break some bullshit German law in the US can I also be extradited?
[11:53:13] <SirFinkus> shit just doesn't make sense
[11:53:42] <MrBluze> 5 eyes and all that
[11:53:46] <hka> Only if they first break in to your home and steal evidence;)
[11:53:50] <MrBluze> represends the merger of nations
[12:02:03] <MrBluze> essentially the way statecraft is now, a government will do whatever it wants / whatever it takes
[12:02:14] <MrBluze> and it is the job of politicians to come up with a narrative that makes it all plausible
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[12:14:40] <crutchy> $sr ++nocab
[12:14:40] <aqu4> bacon++
[12:14:40] <Bender> karma - bacon: 179
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[12:18:00] <Subsentient> $sr --nocab
[12:18:00] <aqu4> bacon--
[12:18:00] <Bender> karma - bacon: 178
[12:18:07] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[12:18:07] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[12:18:42] <Subsentient> crutchy: Did I ever show you the new strftime() capabilities?
[12:19:19] <Subsentient> $time MST %m/%d/%Y || %I:%M:%S %p
[12:19:19] <aqu4> 03/21/2014 || 04:19:19 AM MST
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[13:10:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Blocked in Turkey! - http://sylnt.us - what-good-is-a-phone-call-if-you-are-unable-to-speak
[13:12:50] <Subsentient> $burrito Bender
[13:12:51] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Bender
[13:13:11] <Subsentient> That story was in queue before the "might be blocked in turkey" one was published!
[13:16:05] <FunPika> .info
[13:16:08] <FunPika> .op
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[13:16:41] <Subsentient> FunPika: type /mode #soylent +o aqu4
[13:16:43] <Subsentient> :^3
[13:16:53] * Subsentient is being mischievous
[13:17:09] <FunPika> ./kick aqu4
[13:17:13] <Subsentient> lol
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[13:24:15] <prospectacle> hey hey
[13:24:28] <mrcoolbp> Yo!
[13:24:39] * prospectacle is drinking and coding and watching tv, why not add irc to the mix
[13:24:48] <prospectacle> what's been happening?
[13:27:02] <Bender> [Subsentient] pav5088: hi
[13:27:41] <Bender> [Subsentient] pav5088: Perhaps you should auto-op aqu4 so there is always an admin around ;^)
[13:28:01] <mrcoolbp> Pro spectacle: trying to get organized
[13:28:13] <Ingar> TV, better drop it. Nothing good can come from it
[13:28:28] <prospectacle> Organising is hard. Is it going well at the moment?
[13:28:40] <Bender> [Subsentient] pav5088: Anyways, you around? Haven't been in here in a while
[13:28:44] <Bender> [Subsentient] I need to reset your admin
[13:28:58] <Popeidol> I've been re-watching all the howtobasic videos since it was linked to before
[13:29:15] <Bender> [Subsentient] $admin add pav5088!markp@ppp118-208-170-82.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net
[13:29:15] <Bender> [aqu4] Admin add successful.
[13:29:22] <Popeidol> the best of the lot: https://www.youtube.com
[13:30:05] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle: not bad, making progress
[13:30:12] <prospectacle> Ingar, I dunno, they're outside a secret base trying to save their agent's life, I'd better keep watching.
[13:30:43] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp. i saw that people are leaning towards "devotee" and read about their vote-counting method.
[13:30:52] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp: I have say: two thumbs up.
[13:31:20] <prospectacle> So, you know, if I'm happy, what could be possibly go wrong?
[13:31:41] <mrcoolbp> It's being discussed, is that the one that's per.
[13:31:57] <mrcoolbp> = }
[13:32:25] <prospectacle> perl, yeah I think so. the debian one. It uses their own fancy condorcet method of preference counting. It has some nice features. e.g. you can give multiple candidates the same rank if youw ant.
[13:32:32] <prospectacle> s/youw ant/you want/
[13:32:32] <SedBot> <prospectacle> perl, yeah I think so. the debian one. It uses their own fancy condorcet method of preference counting. It has some nice features. e.g. you can give multiple candidates the same rank if you want.
[13:32:43] <prospectacle> popeidol, thanks for the link
[13:33:19] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle, just what we need, more perl code
[13:33:41] <prospectacle> popeidol. I'm not gonna watch that. Thanks, flashblock.
[13:34:25] <Popeidol> prospectacle: your evening will probably be better because of it
[13:34:44] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp. Oh i assumed cause the site was in perl that there would be plenty of perl talent around, but shows what I know.
[13:35:45] <prospectacle> popeidol, ok but be it on your head
[13:35:50] <mrcoolbp> Well we would benefit from some more perl debs
[13:35:57] <mrcoolbp> Devs*
[13:36:07] <Popeidol> prospectacle: I meant you evening would be better because of flashblock
[13:36:13] <Popeidol> prospectacle: but either way works, really
[13:36:15] <prospectacle> lol
[13:36:49] <prospectacle> too late, I can't unwatch it now. It's funny though, so it's ok.
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[13:37:44] <Bender> [pav5088] Subsentient, I'm not an op in this channel... well, I don't think I am
[13:38:05] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp: Wish I could help.
[13:39:13] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle: what are your skills?
[13:40:02] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, my day job is largely php and c++
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[13:40:34] <prospectacle> never touched perl
[13:41:07] <FunPika> We've been live for a month...I think it's safe now to remove the "SoylentNews is LIVE people!" from the topic
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[13:42:00] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle: if you want to help on the dev team, talk to paulej72, not sure what other needs he has (besides perl)
[13:42:03] <prospectacle> thanks FunPika
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[13:42:53] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp. ok thanks.
[13:44:44] <mrcoolbp> Np
[13:45:44] <prospectacle> If i had the skills (e.g. perl) for the voting system I could probably find the time, since it would be a relatively small isolated project. Not sure how useful I'd be long term but will think about it.
[13:46:25] <mrcoolbp> Funpika: thanks for fixing that link
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[13:47:15] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle, honestly NCommander will probably just re-work the slashcode poll booth
[13:47:31] <prospectacle> sounds good
[13:47:37] <NCommander> I'm working on setting up a dev server to let people play to their hearts content w/ a copy of the production db
[13:47:54] <NCommander> (the database is importing now, which will likely take an hour or two given its size)
[13:48:26] <NCommander> I also need to configure apparmor
[13:48:34] <prospectacle> That should be interesting
[13:49:16] <NCommander> prospectacle, which part? :-)
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[13:49:27] <prospectacle> Letting people play with a copy of the production db
[13:49:42] <NCommander> prospectacle, well, we're going to limit shell access
[13:50:00] <prospectacle> Makes sense
[13:50:09] <NCommander> prospectacle, but I'd like to have a sanitized version of the DB publicly available (strip out emails, IPLDs, passwords, etc.)
[13:50:59] <NCommander> prospectacle, similar to what wikimedia does; if we (the staff) fuck up and people want to fork
[13:51:00] <NCommander> They can
[13:51:02] <prospectacle> That would be good. There's this new website "theconversation" that publishes all of their stuff as creative commons. apparently four times as many people read their stuff as read it on their own site.
[13:51:08] <prospectacle> If that makes sense
[13:52:08] <prospectacle> I admire this commitment to openess.
[13:52:48] * NCommander is working to figure this stuff out
[13:53:11] <NCommander> prospectacle, you won't happen to know an apparmor or selinux guru?
[13:53:17] <prospectacle> Don't burn yourself out!
[13:53:24] <prospectacle> No, sorry
[13:54:12] <NCommander> prospectacle, -rw-r--r-- 1 mcasadevall mcasadevall 690M Mar 21 12:42 soylentnews.sql
[13:54:20] <NCommander> The production database is a BIG boy
[13:54:26] * NCommander has to think there's crap in there we can delete
[13:54:52] <prospectacle> Wow that's a lot of comments
[13:54:59] <prospectacle> Is there much in there besides plain text?
[13:55:09] <NCommander> prospectacle, well, slash keeps a copy of an access log, a LOT of stats, etc.
[13:55:22] <NCommander> prospectacle, I won't midn giving some people suadmin bits on the DB so they can check out the stats section
[13:55:25] <NCommander> (its kinda insane)
[13:55:34] <NCommander> (what slash determines for stats)
[13:56:08] <prospectacle> Yeah stats are the killer. My db is at work is 690m when zipped. Largely due to stats that no one looks at raw.
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[14:03:09] <Popeidol> yeah, 690 doesn't seem outlandish for a production database
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[14:04:45] <Popeidol> our primary work db is about 2gb, and it's only tracking around 6k individuals
[14:05:09] <Popeidol> 80% of which have been inactive for years
[14:06:08] <prospectacle> true, it adds up before too long
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[14:22:37] <prospectacle> Popeidol, what do you do for backup of such a db?
[14:22:58] <prospectacle> I do a cron dump>zip but I think that's probably inefficient
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[14:30:26] <Bender> [Subsentient] pav5088: Damn.
[14:30:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MtGox oves Couch Cushions and Finds 200K Bitcoins - http://sylnt.us - we-promise-we-won't-have-BTC-news-every-day
[14:30:45] <ancientt> can somebody touch up the newest article, what says "MtGox oves Couch Cushions and Finds 200K Bitcoins " should be "MtGox moves Couch Cushions and Finds 200K Bitcoins"
[14:35:51] <Bender> [ksuhku] and "$116m USD (£70m GBP)"
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[14:55:28] <weeds> fixed
[15:00:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MtGox Moves Couch Cushions and Finds 200K Bitcoins - http://sylnt.us - we-promise-we-won't-have-BTC-news-every-day
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[15:04:08] <IT_phreak> doesn't matter if 200k is found or not; CEO's head still got rolled to the gutter like a bowling ball
[15:04:24] <IT_phreak> suicide? imbeciles please
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[15:25:28] <Subsentient> $restart
[15:25:28] <aqu4> Be right back.
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[15:25:37] <Subsentient> $ddg gerbils
[15:25:37] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Gerbil - A gerbil is a small mammal of the order Rodentia. | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Gerbil
[15:25:38] <aqu4> [2]: Title: The Gerbils, an indie rock band | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/The_Gerbils
[15:25:39] <aqu4> [3]: Title: Pierre-Yves Gerbeau, French businessman, nicknamed the Gerbil by British media | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Pierre-Yves_Gerbeau
[15:25:40] <aqu4> End of results.
[15:25:45] <Subsentient> OOps
[15:25:49] <Subsentient> should have done that elsewhere
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[15:35:07] <prospectacle> Wow, aladdin was a total rip off of "the thief and the cobbler" and "The thief of bagdad". Would have minded but disney are the worst about extending copyright on their own works
[15:35:31] <prospectacle> I dare anyone to watch those two movies and say aladdin wasn't a complete ripoff and disney aren't complete hypocrites about copyright.
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[15:44:23] <prospectacle> $ddg bot
[15:44:43] <prospectacle> oh
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[15:47:55] <Subsentient> $ddg bot
[15:47:56] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Robot, mechanical device that can perform physical tasks | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Robot
[15:47:56] <aqu4> [2]: Title: Internet bot, a computer program that does automated tasks | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Internet_bot
[15:47:57] <aqu4> [3]: Title: Chatterbot or Chat bot, a computer program that converses in natural language | URL: 12http://duckduckgo.com/Chatterbot
[15:47:58] <aqu4> End of results.
[15:47:59] <Subsentient> prospectacle:
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[15:48:42] <xlefay> Subsentient: I would appreciate it if you could move your bot to another channel, this isn't the right place for it.
[15:48:54] <Subsentient> $part
[15:48:54] <aqu4> Ok. Assuming you mean this channel.
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[15:49:20] <xlefay> Thank you.
[15:51:05] <prospectacle> thanks
[15:51:24] <prospectacle> Subsentient, goto #test
[15:51:25] <Subsentient> prospectacle: You too?
[15:51:44] <prospectacle> Subsentient, I mean thanks for turning it back on
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[15:51:48] <prospectacle> but if you go test we can test it out
[15:52:11] <Subsentient> prospectacle: aqu4 just gave you an invite
[15:52:31] <prospectacle> cheers
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[16:04:32] <NCommander> http://dev.soylentnews.org - dev server is a thing now
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[16:28:13] <Bender> [ksuhku] Error 503 Service Unavailable
[16:28:27] <Bender> [ksuhku] for the dev server
[16:28:52] <Bender> [ksuhku] NCommander ^
[16:34:50] <NCommander> I'm mucking with the apparmor config file and broke it
[16:34:54] <NCommander> It will be back up in a few minutes
[16:36:33] <NCommander> w00t
[16:36:39] * NCommander is slowly making progress
[16:37:28] <mattie_p> hey, NCommander
[16:37:43] <mattie_p> do you have the root password for the dev vm? I'm trying to break some stuff
[16:38:14] <NCommander> mattie_p, sudo -i from slash
[16:38:22] <NCommander> I didn't set a root password
[16:39:20] <mattie_p> ahh, no wonder
[16:39:22] <mattie_p> thanks
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[16:47:24] <NCommander> Ok
[16:47:30] <NCommander> I've got an apparmor profile made for Apache
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[17:18:03] <Bender> [ksuhku] \o/
[17:20:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Downtime Tonight: 21:00 UTC - http://sylnt.us - look-scheduled-downtime-what-a-novelity
[17:30:00] <NCommander> Ok
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[20:00:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Java 8 Released - http://sylnt.us - Now-with-all-new-exploits!
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[20:30:19] <LaminatorX|afk> *****SOYLENTNEWS NEEDS YOUR STORIES!***** If you've always wanted to submit a story, now would be an excellent time to do so.
[20:30:52] LaminatorX|afk is now known as LaminatorX
[20:39:43] ancientt is now known as youngatheart
[20:40:10] <youngatheart> Okay, what gives, I submited "First HipHop, now Hack. Facebook improves PHP", accepted posted and now I can't find it
[20:40:51] <xlefay> Interesting, I read about hack too.
[20:40:59] <xlefay> Looks a bit hackish but very good for PHP imo
[20:41:57] <youngatheart> xlefay: not sure it really is PHP, but HipHop Virtual Machine aka HHVM runs both and I can only see that as a good thing
[20:42:46] <xlefay> it isn't really PHP
[20:42:49] <xlefay> It's just an enhancement
[20:43:01] <youngatheart> but what happened to my story post... it was on the page earlier, I has happy to be contributing and looking forward to getting comments from more experienced programmers... and now it's gone. Not only that, I an see it in my submitted storys list as accepted, but can't click it like the one I did previously (it isn't linked)
[20:43:18] <xlefay> Not sure. You might wish to ask in #editorial
[20:43:27] <xlefay> I haven't seen an editor online in the past hour or so though
[20:43:31] <youngatheart> didn't realize there was such.
[20:43:49] <youngatheart> will join there & repost my question there. Thankx xlefay
[20:44:01] <xlefay> You're welcome ;-)
[20:44:36] <Landon> er
[20:44:40] <Landon> I thought LaminatorX was an editor
[20:44:50] <xlefay> oh he was here
[20:44:53] <Landon> yeah :P
[20:44:55] <Landon> like 10 minutes ago
[20:45:00] <xlefay> 14 minutes ago even
[20:45:01] <xlefay> woa
[20:45:26] <LaminatorX> Here I am, and an editor, yes.
[20:45:55] <xlefay> ok.. I just totally misread that as "Here I am, to save the day!" reminds me of a movie...
[20:47:47] <LaminatorX> Your story should come up at 23:25, youngatheart. The submission queue is thin at the moment, so we're spacing them out.
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[20:50:25] <LaminatorX> Now's your chance to aim por first post on youngatheart's story, everybody. You know when it's going live. ;)
[20:50:36] <youngatheart> heh
[20:50:56] <youngatheart> but... is that GMT?
[20:51:05] <LaminatorX> Yes.
[20:52:38] <youngatheart> why is the submission queue short? Is it just that people don't like to put together something to submit, or is it that they don't have news they want to put up?
[20:58:44] <LaminatorX> I imagine that the novelty has worn off, to some degree.
[21:01:10] <LaminatorX> If even a third of our members would send one story a week. We would have enough content to be extremely selective on our story choices.
[21:02:03] <weeds> I'll take that challenge - at least one story submission per week.
[21:03:16] <Bender> [ksuhku] doesn't sound too impossible
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[21:05:26] <sgleysti> say, I get a "you're posting to fast" warning, even though the comments were on different stories
[21:05:49] <sgleysti> could the code be modified to only apply a post frequency limitation to posts on the same story?
[21:06:21] <weeds> Story submission: "If 1/3 of soylentnews members submitted one story per week there would be plenty of stories" Does that count?
[21:06:36] <mattie_p> maybe. Send an email to suggestions@soylentnews.org, or use !suggest *what you want to send *
[21:10:02] <sgleysti> mattie_p: was that to weeds? and, should I post what I wrote above to suggestions@sn.org?
[21:10:20] <mattie_p> sgleysti, that was to you
[21:11:10] <sgleysti> ah, good
[21:11:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hack your Very Own Voting Machine - http://sylnt.us - New-Name-Poll-Solution!
[21:12:18] <weeds> "New -Name-Poll-Solution" +1 funny!
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[21:20:29] <NCommander> I need a favor from people
[21:20:37] <NCommander> Go to http://dev.soylentnews.org and beat on it
[21:20:45] <NCommander> See if you can flush out bugs or anything
[21:20:54] <NCommander> This should fix a lot of long standing issues with page freezeups and such
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[21:45:59] <tecnomo> Hello every on
[21:46:01] <tecnomo> e
[21:46:19] <xlefay> morning ;-)
[21:47:08] <FoobarBazbot_> omoncet olleH
[21:58:53] <tecnomo> wow chats really died down since last time i was here.
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[21:59:48] <NCommander> .op
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[21:59:59] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: SCHEDULED DOWNTIME, DON'T PANIC | https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always | /join ## - to chill
[22:00:11] <NCommander> and the site is down
[22:02:02] <TK> Just as the old gypsy woman fortold
[22:02:05] <TK> fore*
[22:02:22] <TK> godspeed ye noble devs
[22:03:50] * NCommander reboots the webserver
[22:04:16] <NCommander> tecnomo, drama isn't happening
[22:16:37] <tecnomo> o
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[22:22:00] * MrBluze looks
[22:22:16] <NCommander> ?
[22:26:01] <MrBluze> at dev.soylentnews.org
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[22:27:59] <SoyCow6813> odd schedule ?
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[22:29:31] <SoyCow6813> any ideas when soylent news is back up?
[22:30:41] <xlefay> it was scheduled and announced, it should be back in 30 mins tops
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[22:33:23] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always | /join ## - to chill
[22:33:25] <NCommander> .deop
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[22:33:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hack Your Very Own Voting Machine - http://sylnt.us - New-Name-Poll-Solution!
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[22:33:38] <Landon> dupe!
[22:33:40] <Landon> :}
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[22:34:57] <NCommander> Shit
[22:35:01] * NCommander unplugs the site again
[22:35:02] <xlefay> uh oh..
[22:35:04] <NCommander> Forgot to do something
[22:35:07] <NCommander> Its fine
[22:35:09] <NCommander> Minor
[22:35:16] <NCommander> .op
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[22:35:19] * xlefay notes NCommander never lets me panic.
[22:35:22] NCommander changed topic of #Soylent to: FALSE ALARM, STILL DOWN | https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: http://sylnt.us | Staff discussions in #staff are now open for all, always | /join ## - to chill
[22:35:24] <xlefay> :<
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[22:36:07] <SoyCow5563> So I can continue panicking then?
[22:36:49] <SoyCow5563> (Has the site been down since 9 PM EST last night?)
[22:36:58] <mrcoolbp> no
[22:37:13] <xlefay> heh no
[22:37:24] <xlefay> It's been down for approx 37 minutes
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[22:37:39] <SoyCow5563> Oh good. The only hit I got on the web was a downtime notice for 21:00...
[22:38:01] <SoyCow5563> I'll try back later... Thanks, mrcoolbp and xlefay...
[22:38:18] <mrcoolbp> no problem, sorry for the inconvenience
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[22:40:45] <mrcoolbp> We're back
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[22:50:43] <NCommander> .The new varnish config means the site really fcking fast
[22:50:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Maintence Complete: 21-03-2014 - http://sylnt.us - 40-minutes-by-the-clock
[22:51:57] <NCommander> ah fooey
[22:52:06] * NCommander notes that the recent config change is going to skew site hits
[22:52:50] <xlefay> Well you can always feed Varnish's stats into the db
[22:52:59] <NCommander> xlefay, probably a good idea
[22:53:05] <NCommander> Just means the hit count on the stats email is going to be off
[22:53:11] <NCommander> But I always considered it suspect
[22:54:18] <xlefay> yea
[22:57:58] <NCommander> Yeah
[22:58:00] <NCommander> It looks fine now
[22:58:02] <NCommander> Weird
[22:58:08] * NCommander will see if anyone else reports login issues
[22:58:13] <xlefay> Wrong channel? ;-)
[23:00:22] <NCommander> yeah
[23:06:24] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: can we discuss name change plan in here?
[23:06:35] <MrBluze> yeah sure
[23:06:38] <MrBluze> :)
[23:06:39] <mrcoolbp> debugging can continue in #staff that way
[23:06:40] <mrcoolbp> nice
[23:06:42] <MrBluze> i just bought salientnews
[23:06:43] <mrcoolbp> I'd like to nail down a plan here
[23:06:46] <mrcoolbp> cool
[23:06:46] <MrBluze> as it happens
[23:07:12] <mrcoolbp> so do we agree a story-submission to main site is a good idea?
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[23:08:20] <MrBluze> yes
[23:08:24] <MrBluze> who will write it ?
[23:08:30] <mrcoolbp> I can write it
[23:08:40] <mrcoolbp> but first: I'm thinking asking people to actually register a domain is a hurdle, but it would keep it to more serious suggestions
[23:10:08] <mrcoolbp> we just have to rely on the fact that users will actually donate the name
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[23:10:28] <MrBluze> ok
[23:10:36] <MrBluze> they MUST check at least it is AVAILABLE and not just for sale
[23:10:55] <MrBluze> however its no better than a brainstorm if its just suggestions without reservations
[23:11:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yahoo! Moves to Dublin to Avoid UK Warrant Powers - http://sylnt.us - we-all-said-this-would-happen
[23:11:00] <mrcoolbp> okay, then we need them to send to an email so it can be kept private
[23:11:35] <mrcoolbp> brainstorm is fine, staff can vote on a shortlist (after verifying availablity
[23:11:56] <MrBluze> yes
[23:12:17] <MrBluze> do we even bother with a shortlist?
[23:12:21] <MrBluze> as this introduces confounding
[23:12:33] <MrBluze> we could just give out a list of 100 domains that we bought and people rank them
[23:13:55] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze it makes the final vote much harder if there are ~100 names
[23:14:00] <MrBluze> not really
[23:14:06] <MrBluze> use a preferential system
[23:14:11] <MrBluze> ranking or something
[23:14:18] <MrBluze> as long as we announce the method before we start, its valid
[23:14:27] <MrBluze> eg: list your top 10
[23:14:44] <mrcoolbp> Mr
[23:15:15] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: I believe the plan is to have NCommander rework the pollbooth (slash) for the final vote
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[23:15:28] <MrBluze> hmm ok
[23:15:45] <MrBluze> i liked audioguy's idea
[23:15:47] <MrBluze> it was more elegant
[23:16:05] <MrBluze> ie: just use email, end of story - then NC can spend time on fixing what needs fixing first
[23:16:10] <MrBluze> instead of feature development
[23:16:48] <audioguy> What I have is a temporary measure. But it is functional RIGHT NOW. And was designed specifically to meet our way of working.
[23:16:57] <mrcoolbp> audioguy's idea wasn't meant to be for the public vote
[23:17:09] <audioguy> No, that is a different issue.
[23:17:21] <MrBluze> however
[23:17:21] <audioguy> Although elements of it might be used.
[23:17:25] <mrcoolbp> hence going for a shortlist again
[23:17:34] <MrBluze> if people vote USING the email they own with their UID, its as valid as anything
[23:18:11] <MrBluze> we just have to check the email address against the UID, and the username the person claims to be
[23:18:18] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: would your system work for a public (community) vote?
[23:18:19] <audioguy> We can easily get one vote per slash account, since people have ids in the database.
[23:19:12] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: send them a token?
[23:19:23] <audioguy> IT would technically work, yes. If the vopte were by email, yes, could be used.
[23:19:35] <MrBluze> i'd say just send them an email from the SN - its an extraordinary vote
[23:19:52] <MrBluze> if they respoind, then great
[23:20:02] <audioguy> Yes, a simple hash of some sort of their user info in the database would work - basically, the Athenian system
[23:20:49] <audioguy> I explored using pgp to make public/private crypto keys to use for this.
[23:22:16] <audioguy> This would work, however there is a slight problem, in that the keys have to be created, and it is near impossible to get enough entropy to do that on a virtual server for technical reasons (no keyboard or mouse to get it from)
[23:22:30] <mrcoolbp> audioguy do you want to test the system?
[23:22:35] <mrcoolbp> (PM)
[23:22:43] <audioguy> But a simple hash of user data would work nearly as well
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