#Soylent | Logs for 2014-03-19

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[23:30:55] <Bender> Quote 5 - <soulde> I have friends that are better bots than Bender
[23:30:55] <FoobarBazbot_> !quote 5
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[23:06:32] <Cyprus> anyway i'm out
[23:06:24] <Cyprus> shared webroot isn't unheard of via nfs
[23:03:24] <Cyprus> i get the need for task workers
[23:02:59] <Cyprus> sounds like a job for a scalpel
[23:02:58] <chromas> Derp. I submitted a story and forgot the link. Need a redo!
[23:02:32] <mechanicjay> right. I think the problem is that there is DB stuff and webserver stuff all conflated into the same framework, which isn't really optimal.
[23:02:01] <Cyprus> but some things cant be distributed, like the mod points management
[23:01:33] <mechanicjay> That's the only thing I can figure -- but still...seems goofy as you'd need a shared webroot amongst the clusters. If you did independt web-heads, they could each run out of cron and keep local copies of all the static generated stuff.
[23:00:22] <Cyprus> is the daemon meant to be the inteligence for a cluster of serving nodes?
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[22:59:12] <Cyprus> but then, i've never been a fan of kittens instead of cattle either
[22:59:01] <mechanicjay> yeah, me too.
[22:58:23] <Cyprus> im kinda curious why youd want to use a daemon for this kind of thing
[22:58:04] <mechanicjay> yeah probably. The thing is, I'm pretty sure we could just kick the perl jobs off manually with cron, and it'd be more reliable.
[22:57:12] <Cyprus> so it maintains a state table internally, and the db is just a reflection is my guess
[22:56:46] <mechanicjay> restarting slash seems to be the only way to previously hung jobs to run again.
[22:55:36] <mechanicjay> Here's the problem: When one of the processes fails, lets say "freshenup" in this case. The running flag stays set at one, and next run time gets really far in the past. Even if you update those fields and make sure theres no hung perl process, slash just won't run the damn job.
[22:54:09] <mechanicjay> Based on the info it gets from that table, it decides if it's time to run one of the maintenance tasks, of which there about two dozen.
[22:53:32] <mechanicjay> Okay, so there is the slash daemon that runs. On some configured interval it looks at the tasks database table, This table has a few columns, basically a task name, a flag for if it's running, last run time, next run time.
[22:52:27] <Cyprus> nope, haven't looked at the innards of /
[22:52:06] <mechanicjay> Have you seen the way the "cron" jobs run in slash?
[22:51:41] <Cyprus> other than jimbob on irc =P
[22:51:34] <Cyprus> i hear there's monitoring solutions that exist =)
[22:51:18] <mechanicjay> And yes, sometimes the "freshenup" task in slash hangs and static generation dies until we kick slash in the nuts.
[22:50:45] <mechanicjay> there's still some static stuff that even for logged in users (comment counts come to mind)
[22:50:26] <mechanicjay> ...well mostly
[22:50:15] <mechanicjay> I might do a journal post explaining the process: Basically Slash regenerates static pages every 10 minutes. Varnish will cache up to 5 on top of that. So there is a potential 15 minute "lag" for anon users. Once you're logged in, it's all dynamic content.
[22:49:27] <Cyprus> he's ascribing to maliece what is probably caching bugs introduced
[22:48:56] <Cyprus> that would be my expectation
[22:47:09] * mechanicjay wonders how much of this anonymous/logged in differences people are talking about are just due to the caching and periodic update cycle for static anonymous users.
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[22:42:53] <combatserver> 3 days into this project, I told several people there was a mole present amongst them--apparently this was ignored. Someone is actively altering view settings for non-logged-in users, on specific topics, as recently as yesterday. The SQL injection flaw NCom is talking about, was brought to his attention by me on day 4. (I'm sure it's in the logs...). FIND THE MOLE, or this is all for nothing.
[22:41:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Joining Forces with Unity Technologies - http://sylnt.us - gaming-the-system
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[22:35:06] <combatserver> Because I am getting different results than I did last night
[22:34:16] <combatserver> Did someone make a change as to how the page is displayed to non-logged-in users LAST NIGHT?
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[22:32:42] <crutchy> good luck bughuntin'
[22:32:40] <Cyprus> that said, it showed a reply that was clickable, but the page just went to the origional comment, not the one i tried to view. That i assume is a bug
[22:32:32] <crutchy> cyas
[22:32:31] <crutchy> better take kids to skool and go to work
[22:32:09] <xlefay> ;]
[22:32:04] * Cyprus chuckles
[22:31:53] <stderr> ... as always.
[22:31:40] <xlefay> but yeah.. -1 anyway, stderr is right
[22:31:36] <Cyprus> but i figured it was my view settings, which i still assume it is =)
[22:31:23] <xlefay> combatserver: it's modded to -2 also
[22:31:16] <Cyprus> I noticed there were issues with viewing one of the replies as well, and it looked like it was 2 posts too deep
[22:31:12] <stderr> combatserver: It says "threshold=0" in the URL...
[22:31:11] <combatserver> Why do those two posts not comply with settings?
[22:30:52] <combatserver> That was my point.
[22:30:36] <combatserver> xlefay: It IS hidden (2 posts below threshhold) BUT, I have viewing set to -1. NOTHING should be hidden....yet two posts are.
[22:30:25] <xlefay> combatserver: just fyi, we don't remove posts, we don't need to either, people mod up/down stuff and the site's pretty much self regulating. Same as on /.
[22:28:44] <xlefay> combatserver: it's more likely it got modded down, look at the end of the thread and see if there's one post hidden?
[22:28:38] <crutchy> doesn't seem to be a lot in the way of checking admin status but that might be elsewhere
[22:28:36] <Cyprus> ok let me rephrase, it could be design dangerous, it doesn't look retarded dangerous
[22:28:09] <crutchy> Cyprus: as long as menu isn't set arbitrarily and then slash assumes that because admin menu exists for user that the user must have admin privs
[22:27:32] <combatserver> Are posts being intentionally deleted from discussions? See http://soylentnews.org If you look at the actual discussion, that parent post is missing entirely from the discussion. Now, I disagree with the guy (obviously, from my post) , but deleting posts isn't cool.
[22:27:10] <crutchy> one problem i've noticed with slash is that there seem to be duplicate files
[22:26:57] <Cyprus> it's a map compare
[22:26:53] <Cyprus> ok the menu stuff looks safe
[22:26:20] <crutchy> or anything that determines the name of a function or script file to call/include
[22:25:42] <Cyprus> that's mostly what i'm looking for
[22:25:37] <xlefay> Does Slashcode count?!
[22:25:29] <crutchy> i dunno perl, but any of the shell execs, eval, etc
[22:25:27] <xlefay> crutchy: I found it!
[22:25:14] <crutchy> maybe also worth looking for anything that can execute code arbitrarily
[22:24:23] <stderr> That's it! No more slashcode for me today...
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[22:21:50] <xlefay> crutchy: returning an admin menu and actually having access to the admin interface are two different things, the first wouldn't worry me as much as the second
[22:20:46] <xlefay> stderr: I think they had a lot of those moments that at some point, they just started using it as an excuse
[22:20:21] <combatserver> Nobody noticed that that "problem" coincided with the latest Snowden article?
[22:19:46] <combatserver> I'm guessing that the "security issue" NCommander mentioned had something to do with the default layout of the site visible to non-logged in users. I see it's fixed now.
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[22:18:06] <janrinok> got to go guys - have a good one. cu.
[22:18:00] <Cyprus> suggest moving this conversation to a non logged channel though
[22:16:24] <Cyprus> seeing what it does
[22:16:21] <crutchy> or with help from the dark side
[22:16:21] <Cyprus> i'm still trying to follow menu around
[22:15:48] <crutchy> maybe from a doctored html request
[22:15:15] * crutchy wonders if sub getCurrentMenu could hypothetically return admin menu for a non-admin user
[22:14:17] * Cyprus chuckles
[22:13:32] <stderr> "# Yes, this is ugly, and we can ditch it in about 6 months" :-)
[22:12:31] <crutchy> how many index2.pl's are there in slash?
[22:10:00] <Cyprus> technically it just strips off the last .pl at the end
[22:08:51] <stderr> crutchy: The "blah"-part of "blah.pl"
[22:08:17] <Cyprus> mice maybe, but oreos?
[22:08:04] <Bender> Added quote 54
[22:08:04] <xlefay> !grab crutchy
[22:08:01] <Bender> Added quote 53
[22:08:01] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[22:08:00] <Cyprus> since when do snakes like oreos?
[22:07:46] <crutchy> squished oreos sound like something you find in python scripts
[22:07:33] <xlefay> crutchy: aah... that's going to be awesome.
[22:07:27] <Cyprus> this looks XSSable but not really dangerous for the site, if i'm following it correctly
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[22:07:06] <NCommander> I thought it was a squished oreo
[22:06:57] <NCommander> funny
[22:06:57] <crutchy> so 240 takes the blah.pl part of the SCRIPT_NAME environment variable and puts it into $menu, no?
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[22:05:40] <xlefay> That's why you generally see regexs after the '=~'
[22:05:35] <stderr> Mmm... Reg exps...
[22:05:28] * crutchy has no hope :-P
[22:05:16] <crutchy> lol
[22:05:12] <xlefay> crutchy: that's for regex matching
[22:05:04] <crutchy> i don't even know what =~ means
[22:04:49] * xyzzyyzzyx runs away from the coding weeds ( ##dev is leaking )
[22:04:17] <crutchy> yeah i dunno i'm just pretending i have any idea what i'm on about, but it looks like on 240 $menu (however it's used) is being set from an environment variable without any filtering
[22:03:28] <Cyprus> i dont know how / works enough to figure out what's going on
[22:03:16] <Cyprus> heh i got lost
[22:02:08] <xlefay> Cyprus: I would argue this isn't even worth calling a framework
[22:01:58] <crutchy> actually scratch that it looks dodgy
[22:01:12] <crutchy> actually line 240 kinda looks ok
[22:00:48] <Cyprus> this is why i don't like homemade frameworks
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[21:58:59] <crutchy> apart from it being near the top :-P
[21:58:40] <crutchy> that's why line 240 jumped out at me first
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[21:57:34] <Cyprus> although instead of looking for filenames, i'd look for anywhere ENV is used
[21:56:39] <NCommander> Take a look at sub filter_param {
[21:56:34] <crutchy> i know that any kind of links between uri and filesystem need to be examined very carefully
[21:55:25] <Cyprus> crutchy: nah you had the right idea
[21:55:03] <crutchy> anyway i'm prolly not helping at all... good luck finding exploit... may the nforce be with you!
[21:54:54] <FoobarBazbot_> Any helpful links, or do I just need to read some scrollback (like I'm going to anyway?
[21:54:50] <Bender> [ksuhku] not yet ...
[21:54:49] <Cyprus> actually, what the hell is pipe even built on
[21:54:35] <Cyprus> is pipe OSS?
[21:54:03] <Cyprus> clean what they can, filter what they cant at the level up
[21:53:54] * FoobarBazbot_ just got off work, saw we apparently got a new round of threats from khyberspace?
[21:53:54] <crutchy> gedit picked up one in another file too... can't remember filename
[21:53:51] <Cyprus> as far as i know, / does kind of what we did at my last job
[21:53:27] <crutchy> looks like there might be a syntax error down around line 3582
[21:53:18] <NCommander> Cyprus, you know, I wonder how bad it is on the other site
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[21:52:56] <pbnjoe> I love quoting
[21:52:29] <pbnjoe> ha!
[21:52:12] <Cyprus> rofl
[21:52:09] <xlefay> LOL
[21:51:56] <Bender> Quote 38 - <SoyCow4570> guys, don't mess with khyber, he'll send exploited eastern european womens to unplug your internet cables
[21:51:56] <FoobarBazbot_> !quote SoyCow4570
[21:51:37] <Cyprus> you know, at some point you're going to have to take / out and shoot it, and rewrite things
[21:51:29] <xlefay> now we can all clone him!
[21:51:25] * xlefay puts NCommander on GitHub
[21:51:10] * NCommander needs to clone himself
[21:51:00] * NCommander facepalms
[21:50:24] <crutchy> ^not so good
[21:50:16] <crutchy> line 2740: $handler =~ s|^(.*)\.pl$|$1|;
[21:50:15] <xlefay> This is why people tend to use prepared statements.
[21:49:45] <crutchy> actually 2704 just if statement condition so should be ok
[21:49:25] <Cyprus> so it basicly trusts input? that's cute
[21:48:34] <crutchy> looks like filename constructed from uri or something
[21:48:23] <crutchy> looks even dodgier
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[21:48:00] <crutchy> line 2704
[21:47:57] <crutchy> $uri =~ s|^/(.*)\.pl$|$1|;
[21:47:13] <Cyprus> should be a match map, not a basic sanity check
[21:46:49] <Cyprus> crutchy: don't disagree, that does look kind of sketch
[21:45:16] * NCommander notes the DB is 83 MiB bzip2 compressed
[21:45:12] <crutchy> setting filenames as happens on line 240 looks really dodgy to me
[21:45:07] <NCommander> Wow
[21:44:54] <Cyprus> i'd hate to even ask how bad it blows up with taint mode on
[21:44:35] <crutchy> i'm just looking from perspective of general security exploit types that i'm aware of
[21:44:15] <crutchy> sorry i know dick about perl
[21:43:45] <crutchy> not possible to set environment variables from url is it?
[21:41:45] <crutchy> line 240
[21:41:29] <crutchy> would be suspect
[21:41:20] <crutchy> anything with a filename reference
[21:41:17] <xlefay> It's surprisingly readable compared to other Slashcode
[21:41:03] <crutchy> ^looks exploitable
[21:40:57] <crutchy> ($menu = $ENV{SCRIPT_NAME}) =~ s/\.pl$//;
[21:40:51] <xlefay> Fairly sure I just got my headache back after looking at that code.
[21:40:24] <crutchy> wouldn't be something to do with lack of verification of privelidges when calling setCurrentUser or getCurrentMenu or something like that?
[21:40:09] <xlefay> https://github.com for this who care to read it via Github
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[21:39:07] * xlefay goes to open github
[21:39:04] <xyzzyyzzyx> LaminatorX: yes, correct. I myself look for submissions daily. Yet it is still a goal to strive for, right? Once hourly submission hits on a regular basis, then I think one can say 'hey we've achieved baseline activity ( at minimum )'
[21:38:52] <crutchy> there are a lot of exports
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[21:37:12] <crutchy> all eyes on: /slash/utility/environment/environment.pm
[21:37:08] <swiss> we'll see if he takes an interest
[21:37:04] <swiss> NCommander: i am pretty busy till the weekend, but i also forwarded it to my friend who is better than me at website audits :)
[21:36:04] <LaminatorX> We don't have the volume for hourly updates at the moment, xyzzyyzzyx.
[21:35:25] <pbnjoe> yeah haha
[21:35:23] <pbnjoe> kuro5hin
[21:35:22] <xlefay> oh.. kuro5shin, explains a lot
[21:35:16] <xlefay> Slashdot?
[21:35:06] <pbnjoe> " Why just the other day while I was furriously masterbating at the #SALMONCREEK #STARBUCKS mens room" - a site of quality, this one
[21:34:11] <NCommander> new post on kuro5hin: http://www.kuro5hin.org
[21:34:10] <crutchy> apache1.3 would fail such audit :-P
[21:34:04] <NCommander> Wow
[21:33:30] <NCommander> swiss, http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:17] <NCommander> swiss, we need a security audit on slash, specifically I think we've got an SQL injection and we've had a relatively credible threat made against the site
[21:33:11] <swiss> NCommander: btw, i'm in and out, but i'll always get messages prefixed by my name
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[21:32:47] <swiss> NCommander: yeah, what's up?
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[21:30:38] <xyzzyyzzyx> that's how I judge 'lifeblood' as I click around and refresh my news-ish sites, be they tech, political, or other - the eyeballs move around rapidly scanning for new content to keep us engaged and awake, etc
[21:29:35] <NCommander> Cyprus, ugh, I think I need to address the community
[21:29:34] <Cyprus> Alberto: Saw that post on fulldesc, anyone know what really happened?
[21:29:05] <Bender> karma - xyzzyyzzyx: 1
[21:29:05] <xlefay> xyzzyyzzyx++
[21:28:53] <xyzzyyzzyx> IMHO
[21:28:50] <xyzzyyzzyx> knowing things are stable, with 'approped' submissinons hitting ... hourly or every half hour is vital, whether each one gets commented on or not, the opportunity is there
[21:28:24] <Cyprus> indeed, without some kind of draw reason, and marketing
[21:28:18] <Alberto> T_T
[21:28:17] <Alberto> http://seclists.org
[21:28:17] <Alberto> bye bye fulldisc
[21:28:02] <NCommander> We'll bleed off users faster than we'll gain them
[21:27:53] <NCommander> Word of mouth is decent but
[21:27:50] <NCommander> Cyprus, yeah, we need to grow
[21:27:22] <Cyprus> not bad considering they've never willingly put up an article about SN, its all been pretty much advertised via comments, and i haven't really seen aything about the site marketed anywhere
[21:26:22] <NCommander> We've got 928 users logged in right now
[21:24:54] * NCommander checks the logged in counter
[21:24:51] <NCommander> Which only counts logged in
[21:24:39] <NCommander> (that is, people clicking through to read comments)
[21:24:32] <NCommander> But in terms of articles hit through article.pl, we get a couple hundred hits per article
[21:24:26] <Cyprus> agree on the s/n ratios between the sites
[21:24:19] <NCommander> I'm not sure how Slash counts hits per say (I dunno if its accurate or not)
[21:24:05] <Cyprus> wasn't judging, just doing the math in my head
[21:24:05] <dx3bydt3> http://www.space.com
[21:24:03] <dx3bydt3> here's an interesting astronomy story, I won't get a chance to write a summary today, if anyone thinks it's worthwhile it might be a good one for the site:
[21:23:49] <NCommander> Cyprus, honestly, given the signal to noise ration on the other site, even 20 regular commenters is a good thing
[21:23:28] * xyzzyyzzyx volunteers to edit someday when needed
[21:23:16] <Cyprus> so that probably inflates users by 2-3x
[21:22:38] * NCommander notes we do collect user agents, but thats about it
[21:22:28] <NCommander> Except for the admin access log, we don't retain any IPs
[21:22:14] <Cyprus> ahh
[21:22:08] <NCommander> They're converted into salted hashs called IPLDs
[21:22:05] <janrinok> NCommander: thx, we'll get them up and running as quickly as we can.
[21:22:01] <NCommander> Cyprus, Slash doesn't store raw IPds
[21:21:48] <Cyprus> ?? ipld
[21:21:34] <Bender> karma - grow: 1
[21:21:33] <xyzzyyzzyx> grow++
[21:21:33] * Cyprus agrees
[21:21:27] * NCommander notes that we need to grow some more
[21:21:21] <NCommander> janrinok, alright, I handed out a bunch of suadmin bits the other day so no one should block on permissions granting
[21:21:03] <janrinok> NCommander: its in hand, we have 3 lined up and we will get them inducted as soon as we can.
[21:20:57] <NCommander> That's the problem
[21:20:56] <NCommander> We're not growing
[21:20:51] <weeds> I'm not in the staff meetings and don't know what you have on your priority list, but... <harping> give items that directly contribute to building community and participation top priority </harping>
[21:20:48] <Cyprus> the comments are definately much higher quality, excepting 1 or two idiots
[21:20:38] * xyzzyyzzyx looks for articles to submit and commenters to comment
[21:20:27] <NCommander> For a total of about 500-600 comments per day
[21:20:18] <NCommander> Cyprus, in terms of regulars, we get comments from approximately ~60 different IPLDs per day
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[21:19:40] <Cyprus> i manage maybe 3/4 sn tabs, and like 7 /. tabs
[21:19:21] <Cyprus> i read SN first tabbing articles, then /.
[21:19:12] <Cyprus> ive definately noticed the article count issues
[21:18:50] <NCommander> janrinok, we need to recruit more editors
[21:18:16] <janrinok> The other problem is that there has only been LaminatorX and myself on for much of the time and we cannot cover 24hrs a day. We have had to queue stories but if we haven't got many to choose from it is difficult.
[21:18:10] * NCommander notes we probably shold put a nagger on the page when the queue is close to empty
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[21:17:11] <janrinok> Yes, but we had a number of poor quality subs and at least 1 which was an attempt to get rubbish through the system.
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[21:16:34] <NCommander> We're between 10-15 a day
[21:16:29] <NCommander> janrinok, our lowest ever was seven last week
[21:16:23] <NCommander> janrinok, yeah, slash keeps track of submissions per day
[21:16:07] <weeds> understood
[21:15:52] <janrinok> NCommander: you mean with putting stories out?
[21:15:46] * NCommander winces
[21:15:37] <janrinok> Yes - its in the pipeline but so are many other things.
[21:15:25] <NCommander> janrinok, we've had a lot of lulls during the week
[21:15:18] <NCommander> janrinok, honestly, looking at old stat emails
[21:14:48] <weeds> I think that the submit system is a little rough n submitters. When you don't get accepted, you get a tough luck message and that 's it. That could put people off. COnstructive feedback would help.
[21:14:25] <janrinok> thx
[21:13:41] <NCommander> janrinok, I threw it an article
[21:12:43] <xlefay> We reach 400TB yet?
[21:12:34] * NCommander notes our hit per day goes up considerably each day
[21:12:21] <janrinok> And I'm not at all sure it would work.
[21:12:01] <janrinok> s/lower/low/
[21:11:43] <janrinok> Yes - in theory. But NCommander would have to pick up part of the task because it might also require tweaks to the algorithm, and it would be a lower priority in all his tasks.
[21:10:32] <weeds> There are as many as you want there to be, right?
[21:10:00] <janrinok> weeds - a possibility but I don't know that there is a shortage of modpoints to make that offer attractive enough.
[21:09:28] <janrinok> I'm not sure how you motivate the community to participate more actively rather than being 'spoon fed'.
[21:09:12] <weeds> What do you think about offering mod points for articles?
[21:08:41] <janrinok> Well its something that we have all seen on other sites.
[21:08:16] <LaminatorX> The novelty has worn off, perhaps.
[21:07:22] <janrinok> I'm not sure that they are connected, but about the same timescales, yes.
[21:06:59] <NCommander> also when drama 1000 started
[21:06:52] <janrinok> We have a few stalwarts who provide some very good material but the rest seems to be dropping off.
[21:06:25] <NCommander> janrinok, :-/
[21:06:25] <NCommander> swiss, ping, I've been told you've been a good source to talk to about security stuff
[21:05:54] <janrinok> yes the decline.
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[21:05:37] <NCommander> janrinok, decline?
[21:05:04] <janrinok> Its been gradual over the last 2 weeks or so.
[21:04:39] * NCommander is slightly concerned as we didn't have issues w.r.t. to submissions until recently
[21:02:57] <janrinok> NCommander: no, we need it more urgently than that..... :)
[21:01:15] <NCommander> LaminatorX, I could write another epic and post it
[21:00:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tips from Brian Krebs - When Your ID Gets Pwned - http://sylnt.us - sensative-and-I'd-like-to-stay-that-way
[21:00:17] <LaminatorX> Submissions are rather low just now. If you have a moment, please consider pointing us at a story or two. Thanks. :)
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[20:21:05] <Cyprus|pmhell> oh its khyber
[20:11:37] <weeds> NCommander: Good. I was going to recommend that after he gets done with his AA meeting he should seek other professional help.
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[19:58:43] <amblivious> roger that too
[19:58:26] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[19:58:11] <amblivious> yeah, fair enough.
[19:57:43] <NCommander> also
[19:57:41] <NCommander> amblivious, point been made. I know it needs to be fixed
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[19:49:30] <amblivious> yes, the mod points ttl is too short. I often pop into soylent for a quick look at breakfast time. It gives me mod points for the day but by lunch time they are gone and I don't much chance to use them ever. Either I avoid SN in the morning or get no points to use.
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[19:46:52] <weeds> NCommander: :-\
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[19:16:51] <NCommander> weeds, *drama*
[19:15:47] <weeds> NCommander: What's up dood?
[19:03:07] * mechanicjay cautions NCommander not to leave any dents in the walls.
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[18:18:07] <swiss> arti: http://i.imgur.com
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[16:42:51] <weeds> oops
[16:42:47] <weeds> join #staff
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[16:24:58] <weeds> khyber is offering to sell an exploit to our server to the highest bidder: http://soylentnews.org
[16:20:31] <mrcoolbp> (he's in #staff right now BTW)
[16:20:10] <mrcoolbp> weeds?
[16:19:26] <weeds> NC?
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[15:20:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The End of "Full Disclosure" Security List - http://sylnt.us - infighting-and-you
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[15:09:33] <weeds> Good morning
[15:08:31] <AgTiger> Mornin'
[15:08:11] <TME520> Good (ugt) morning
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[15:06:38] <weeds> Ha ha I was going to say that, but didn't know if you would get it!
[15:06:10] <janrinok> 'nil carborundum illigitimus' - don't let the bastards grind you down - although it isn't correct latin, it is at least repeatable in polite'ish company. :)
[15:06:08] <weeds> NCommander: Yes, I was aware of that. It's always the way. (I was camping on the testing weekend) I don't mean to nag.
[15:04:47] <weeds> janrinok: What I really wanted to say was, "Don't let the bastards get you down." But that's not like me and I wouldn't say that in a public forum.
[15:04:06] <NCommander> weeds, we've had a fair bit of internal communication. The biggest problem is I've been travelling for the last two weeks on a pre-SN iterinary I couldn't easily change
[15:03:21] <janrinok> weeds: Thanks for the encouragement - lets try again today...
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[15:02:49] <weeds> NCommander: Great - If there is anything I can do to help. It has been my experience that such things really matter.
[15:01:48] <NCommander> weeds, its on the TODO list.
[15:00:53] <weeds> NCommander: Please consider including Vision, Mission, Provence, and Charter in those next steps. Establish at least the basics of a strategic plan.
[15:00:00] <AgTiger> Thank you for putting it online and keeping it going. :-)
[14:59:43] <AgTiger> And NCommander, please don't take my comments about the duration of the mod points as a complaint, just a suggestion. Something for you to think about, that's all. I'm truly enjoying the new site, and the old look and feel.
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[14:57:31] <weeds> janrinok: Don't let them get you down.
[14:56:18] <NCommander> So we're moving towards foundation of a not-for-profit
[14:56:11] <NCommander> We've got the ownership stuff mostly sorted
[14:56:05] * NCommander needs to write up next steps
[14:55:53] <AgTiger> You also (that I saw) didn't mudsling back, so that was also good.
[14:55:44] <weeds> NCommander: got it, thanks
[14:55:36] <AgTiger> Probably, but at the end of the day, the site was kept up, it's still rolling, and I call that a win.
[14:55:03] <NCommander> AgTiger, from the comments, I dunno, I suspect a fair bit of people would flay me
[14:54:47] <AgTiger> I recall the drama. By the way, you and your staff comported yourselves pretty well.
[14:54:39] <NCommander> AgTiger, weeds: its based off activity time. Mod points are only granted if you've clicked within the last 5 minutes
[14:54:23] <NCommander> AgTiger, *sigh*, the moderation QA was supposed to happen two weeks ago. Due to *drama* it got deferred
[14:54:19] <AgTiger> weeds: Hrm. Good idea. I had stayed logged in overnight.
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[14:53:48] <weeds> AgTiger: I always log out when away for just that reason.
[14:53:09] <AgTiger> 4 hours might be a wee bit short on the duration...
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[14:52:41] <AgTiger> Kinda frustrating, when you bring yourself up to speed on the background necessary to give out insightful/interesting mod points, and .... they're gone.
[14:52:33] <NCommander> since it works off a crontab
[14:52:25] <NCommander> AgTiger, four hours from when granted, but they can be granted when you haven't actively refreshed the page
[14:52:22] <AgTiger> I spent time reading up on the Linux SSH exploit article (76 page PDF, took a while) and by the time I got back to Soylent, my mod points had expired.
[14:51:52] <AgTiger> *laughs* Ever vigilant, NCommander? :) I had a question about the amount of time that mod points last?
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[14:51:13] <drgibbon> hmm ok
[14:51:13] * NCommander tackles AgTiger
[14:51:08] <AgTiger> drgibbon: I was unable to reproduce it (so far...) Looking into Soylent preferences to see if anything could explain this behavior.
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[14:50:45] <AgTiger> weeds: Okay. If I see NCommander talking in here live, I may throw the question his way. Thank you!
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[14:50:12] <drgibbon> can anyone else replicate that?
[14:50:06] <drgibbon> and it's still the top when I log in
[14:49:55] <drgibbon> just seems strange, the 'civ headed for collapse' story was at the top of my page for ages, then I log out and see three new stories
[14:49:03] <weeds> AgTiger: I think it's on the order of hours. The component that dishes them out runs every 5 mins as I recall.
[14:47:26] <drgibbon> not a browser problem
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[14:46:42] <drgibbon> let me see..
[14:46:35] <drgibbon> could be, but I haven't changed any settings
[14:46:31] <AgTiger> Or possibly a caching issue?
[14:45:49] <AgTiger> Could be your settings for what you prefer to see, you may have some things filtered. Logged out/in, I see the same story at the top (the Tor one)
[14:45:03] <drgibbon> logged out, it's the TOR pedos
[14:44:56] <drgibbon> Civilisation Headed for 'Irreversible Collapse'
[14:44:55] <drgibbon> logged in, the top story is
[14:44:47] <drgibbon> the top 3 stories are not even there
[14:44:33] <AgTiger> Different, in what way?
[14:44:01] <drgibbon> I'm seeing different versions of the site when logged in vs logged out
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[14:39:26] <AgTiger> Pardon delays, multitasking between windows.
[14:38:47] <AgTiger> Just seems.... fast.
[14:38:41] <AgTiger> Probably got given the mod points in the wee hours before I was up, but I'd love to know what the duration of the mod points is.
[14:38:15] <AgTiger> Nah, I'd been logged in for a while, but I just sat down for morning coffee at my computer, was reading the article, then decided I needed to digest the info in the attached PDF and by the time I got back... well, no more mod points
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[14:32:40] <weeds> AgTiger: Foo, that hasn't happened to me. Was it right after you logged in?
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[14:21:23] <AgTiger> Gah, I wish moderator points didn't expire so quickly. By the time I got done the article on the Windigo attack on SSH under posted article "10,000 Linux Servers Hit by Malware", my moderator points disappeared.
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[13:46:18] <weeds> Good Morning (US Eastern)
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[13:36:47] <crutchy> $sr hello
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[13:10:49] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:10:45] <crutchy> is that like metalstorm but with burritos?
[13:09:14] * Subsentient is itching for a burrito storm'
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[12:38:35] <MrBluze> interesting
[12:38:32] <MrBluze> yes
[12:38:03] <NightHawk> Just got reminded of that story by all the chatter about encryption.
[12:37:36] <MrBluze> i think the best way is encrypt your data, back up, and accept the hardware is losable
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[12:37:15] <MrBluze> yeah
[12:36:37] <NightHawk> bit lame, but i guess in that instance it's just a phone after all.
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[12:35:46] <MrBluze> nah cause the ppl who stole the phone would go and do something to the police officer and the owner of the phone
[12:35:23] <NightHawk> cos... of the people who now had the number?
[12:33:36] <MrBluze> NightHawk: food for thought .. a know several people who had their phones stolen, tracked them, told the police, and the police said "u dont want that phone back.. trust me"
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[12:26:53] <MrBluze> hmm.. fukushima water hits the US coast in April
[12:20:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Leslie Lamport Wins the 2013 A.M. Turing Award - http://sylnt.us - distributed-accolades
[12:20:29] <NightHawk> Food for thought, no password means guy gets his stolen laptop back - http://makezine.com
[12:17:08] <crutchy> lemotes = remotes that don't work
[12:16:54] <Konomi> gotta go stallman level
[12:16:51] <Konomi> we all need to get lemotes
[12:16:34] <xlefay> uefi*
[12:16:32] <xlefay> laptop = bios; desktop (htpc) = eufi
[12:16:01] <MrBluze> its the hypervisor whatever.. system-on-a-chip that intel comes with
[12:15:58] <Konomi> my oc is old enough it still has a bios ;p
[12:15:51] <Konomi> computer is still great but when you see stuff like that you get a deep sinking feeling
[12:15:48] <MrBluze> its not bios
[12:15:40] <crutchy> maybe you forgot to reformat your mouse konomi
[12:15:32] <Konomi> I am not joking
[12:15:21] <Bender> Added quote 52
[12:15:21] <xlefay> !grab Konomi
[12:15:19] <xlefay> LOL
[12:15:15] <Konomi> damn thing even has grammar mistakes...
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[12:14:55] <Konomi> with the keyboard I might add.
[12:14:49] <Konomi> soo yeah
[12:14:45] <Konomi> I've frozen the bios on this laptop
[12:14:40] <Konomi> tbh
[12:14:37] <MrBluze> cause u can encrypt your stuff, secure your linux, and the blasted wifi snitches on u
[12:14:33] <Konomi> just buy a mac book what could go wrong
[12:14:19] <MrBluze> the hardware
[12:14:15] <MrBluze> lol
[12:14:14] <xlefay> 'humans'
[12:13:58] <Konomi> secure as
[12:13:55] <Konomi> rot16 everywhere
[12:13:45] <crutchy> biggest security failure we have is security theatre
[12:13:25] <Konomi> not so much
[12:13:24] <Konomi> if you go to a brick and mortor store
[12:13:17] <Konomi> if you order it online sure
[12:13:14] <Konomi> depends
[12:13:05] <MrBluze> the biggest security failure we have is our hardware imho
[12:13:01] <Konomi> ;p
[12:12:58] <Konomi> and I promise you anything I do they could have a reason to do that for I do in tor
[12:12:46] <Konomi> and they'dhave to know where I am to pick me up for one
[12:12:41] <MrBluze> our infos are all over the internet
[12:12:40] <Konomi> it's not about me personally it's about making their lives hard in general
[12:12:38] <xlefay> MrBluze: and in my case, quite the movie collection ;)
[12:12:25] <MrBluze> then all they have is hardware
[12:12:23] <xlefay> Konomi: I'm fairly sure if they really wanted your infos they'd just pick you up
[12:12:20] <MrBluze> if someone breaks into your apartment and steals your hardware ..
[12:11:56] <MrBluze> lmao crutchy
[12:11:54] <Konomi> just wanna make three letter organisations lives hard
[12:11:52] <crutchy> :-P
[12:11:50] <crutchy> mrbluze... tmi about your inter-hdd relations
[12:11:46] <MrBluze> all my stuff is portable, so all my stuff is encrypted
[12:11:44] <Konomi> encrypt it all
[12:11:41] <xlefay> That's why you have it in a plastic bag no?
[12:11:27] <xlefay> e.g. my htpc, I'm not going to use encryption; it'd be unneeded
[12:11:24] <Konomi> hehe
[12:11:13] <MrBluze> and if i wet the bed, i need to buy a new hard drive
[12:11:07] <MrBluze> lol Konomi
[12:11:01] * Konomi hides
[12:10:59] <Konomi> there's like a cut out in MrBluze's mattress where he hides the hard drive
[12:10:51] <MrBluze> depends who u are defending against
[12:10:51] <xlefay> I do only if there's valuable information to me on there
[12:10:35] <MrBluze> .. i always encrypt root
[12:10:21] <MrBluze> so no one knows what the ext hard drive is for
[12:10:06] <MrBluze> well .. obfuscation by hdd encryption is good
[12:10:05] <xlefay> I've got / encrypted and /home; besides that.. nah
[12:09:52] <Konomi> I'll probably just do encrypted home partition if I ever get around to it
[12:09:50] <MrBluze> no
[12:09:46] <xlefay> Going overboard with encryption isn't going to do much good either tho
[12:09:31] <MrBluze> and then that stored in an encrypted vm
[12:09:21] <MrBluze> encrypted root is more secure
[12:08:13] <xlefay> not really that secure...
[12:08:03] <Konomi> vms are nice if you wnat to secure
[12:08:00] <MrBluze> with fast external hdd's i can boot to the vm anywhere
[12:07:58] <Konomi> yeah I know I was more meaning in general
[12:07:47] <MrBluze> Konomi: its a practical measure
[12:06:59] <Konomi> software abstraction is going overboard imo
[12:06:50] <Konomi> I'm worried if we remove people even further from the hardware we'll just cause more issues
[12:06:35] <Konomi> VMs concern me a bit
[12:06:09] <xlefay> That's true, but hopefully soon that'll change (e.g. Steam's making good headway last I checked)
[12:05:50] <MrBluze> fair nuff
[12:05:44] <Konomi> I game and stuff VMs just don't cut it unfortnatly
[12:05:36] <xlefay> err, safe.
[12:05:35] <xlefay> One can never be too recursive
[12:05:29] <MrBluze> the OS on a machien is jsut for running vm's now
[12:05:25] <xlefay> Well... just for good measures, I prefer recursive encryption, e.g. my roots root's root, etc.... just to be on the save side
[12:05:15] <MrBluze> Konomi: .. VM's is what i do now
[12:05:00] <Konomi> and reinstalling is what windows users do
[12:04:54] <Konomi> just too much to do on an existing install
[12:04:38] <Konomi> ideally I'll do a luk fs eventually
[12:04:38] * MrBluze laughs .. that must be so slow
[12:04:34] <MrBluze> my encrypted vm boots an encrypted linux that backs up to an encrypted volume
[12:04:07] <Konomi> kobitch: encfs atm but I want to move to something more robust eventually
[12:04:05] <MrBluze> well. my encrypted root is encrypted in the backup
[12:03:55] <kobitch> encrypted? truecrypt? xkcd?
[12:03:53] <Konomi> I moderate a few other channels not on this network
[12:03:51] <MrBluze> same
[12:03:46] <Konomi> helps to have back logs for moderating
[12:03:14] <Konomi> I save logs to an encrypted back up
[12:02:39] <MrBluze> backlogs are good cause i miss stuff
[12:01:40] <Konomi> that'd kill all my security ;p
[12:01:21] * MrBluze got a bouncer.. i call him biffo
[11:59:18] <xlefay> most people on the BNC as it stands just use it for backlogs, etc.
[11:59:09] <xlefay> I'll be happy to create a BNC account for you, but it can only connect to localhost (e.g. this server)
[11:58:28] <Konomi> I am considering oen day getting a pi and using it to be one along with a bunch of other stuff
[11:58:22] <Popeidol> I figure my lack of response will be a fair hint that I'm not here
[11:58:14] <Konomi> I don't have a bouncer sniff
[11:58:05] <xlefay> I do the same, but I just quit my IRC client and let my bouncer idle ;-)
[11:57:42] * Konomi hides
[11:57:40] <Konomi> I never change my nick I just leave the keyboard
[11:53:23] <MrBluze> im not always available anyway
[11:53:16] <MrBluze> then i can lurk
[11:53:14] <MrBluze> oh.. better if it doesnt lol
[11:53:10] <xlefay> can't have everything I suppose
[11:53:03] <xlefay> I thought it would do that by default oh well
[11:52:43] <MrBluze> except i change myself back ofc
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[11:52:31] * mrbluze|afk nods
[11:52:07] <xlefay> it work, mrbluze|afk? :)
[11:51:49] <xlefay> ... :)
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[11:51:06] <hka> having a nuke ought to live things up
[11:50:51] <MrBluze> not a nuclear warhead
[11:50:47] <MrBluze> brb .. testing something
[11:50:45] <MrBluze> in this day and age, yes
[11:50:29] <Konomi> it seemed like the right thing to do
[11:50:10] * MrBluze is impressed
[11:49:17] * Konomi get some bubble gum and turns it into a nuclear warhead
[11:49:14] * MrBluze watches hka watching it bounce
[11:48:50] * hka watches it bounce
[11:48:14] * MrBluze gets out the wednesday pin and drops it
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[11:27:49] <hka> dosbox?;)
[11:27:43] <crutchy> i'd have to run it on the windows xp vbox on my win7 notebook
[11:27:14] <crutchy> prolly won't even run in win7 cos it's 16 bit
[11:26:56] <crutchy> dammit stupid thing won't run on wine... i can't be fornicated getting my windows notebook out :-P
[11:26:07] <Popeidol> could it be toolbook \/ publisher?
[11:22:15] <crutchy> could have sworn it was called ToolBook II Publisher though
[11:21:58] <crutchy> the files are named tb50*
[11:21:50] * prospectacle goes to find video of toolbook
[11:21:48] <crutchy> ah maybe its tb 5 that i got
[11:20:58] <prospectacle> Says there was a version 11 in 2011. I've never heard of it
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[11:17:28] * crutchy installs wine to install tb2 :-P
[11:17:10] <crutchy> says there was never a 2.0 release
[11:16:58] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[11:15:17] <prospectacle> what's that?
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[11:14:32] <crutchy> holy carp i have toolbook ii publisher
[11:13:58] <prospectacle> where he asks if they're broadcast live?
[11:13:39] <crutchy> reminds me of the episode of the simpsons where homer goes on itchy and scratchy
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[11:13:12] <prospectacle> I remember the first time i saw video on a comptuer i was like "holy crap how did they draw that it's so lifelike"
[11:13:07] <crutchy> i think i have it on my hdd somewhere
[11:12:58] <crutchy> can't remember
[11:12:48] <crutchy> (never used the organiser much)
[11:12:44] <prospectacle> Did it have any interesting videos, etc?
[11:12:40] <crutchy> had videos, an information organiser thingy
[11:12:23] <crutchy> it was easy to navigate
[11:12:09] <prospectacle> Cool, what are some of its best features?
[11:11:43] <crutchy> was a pretty cool encyclopedia back then
[11:11:18] <crutchy> i have encarta 98 on cd :-P
[11:04:38] <prospectacle> Stupid 2048
[10:46:37] <prospectacle> I like the idea, but having experts review stuff really slows them down. Maybe it's worth it in the long run.
[10:46:11] <prospectacle> Has anyone tried the alternative wiki-based-encyclopedias, like the scholarpedia or citizendium
[10:42:53] <chromas> I've never been wrong before
[10:42:44] <chromas> Damn
[10:42:11] <prospectacle> encarta.com redirects to bing. I see what they're trying to there. Sorry bing it's not gonna work.
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[10:41:15] <prospectacle> chromas: oh, well disregard then.
[10:41:01] <SedBot> <prospectacle> But now like everything else it's been pushed aside by the big guy. Like that notorious door-to-door encyclopedia salesman and randian robber-baron jimmy wales
[10:41:01] <prospectacle> s/and randian robber-baron saleman/salesman and randian robber-baron/
[10:40:29] <chromas> Encarta is online
[10:39:49] <prospectacle> But now like everything else it's been pushed aside by the big guy. Like that notorious door-to-door encyclopedia and randian robber-baron saleman jimmy wales
[10:38:08] <prospectacle> Yeah, they can fit a whole encyclopedia on there. It's a miracle of modern technology.
[10:37:58] <Popeidol> (it's from my original win95 install)
[10:37:48] <prospectacle> Cool.
[10:37:46] <Popeidol> you never know when you'll need it again
[10:37:41] <Popeidol> in a little folder with office 97 and win95
[10:37:20] <Popeidol> I've got an encarta 95 CD at home
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[10:34:58] <prospectacle> Got office 97 for $8 though. The last good version.
[10:34:41] <prospectacle> Well, for a certain value of "need". I've been looking for encarta, but the few times I found it, the wrong CD was in the box
[10:34:10] <Popeidol> it turns out you're not the only person who needs that software
[10:34:01] <xlefay> prospectacle: it sure shouldn't ;)
[10:33:52] <prospectacle> lol @ popeidol. That was quick.
[10:33:30] <prospectacle> I guess so. But it seems wrong. Dos still lives on in dosbox. Software shouldn't die, it's not like it's expensive to copy
[10:33:28] <Popeidol> http://thepiratebay.se
[10:32:39] <xlefay> Well I suppose... at some point we have to move on
[10:32:23] <prospectacle> Turns out you can virtualbox win3.11 if you can get a copy of win3.11
[10:32:12] <prospectacle> No compat mode doesn't go back that far anymore.
[10:32:05] <prospectacle> I mean it was a multi-media CD Rom! It could play music and video right on your computer.
[10:32:03] <xlefay> You can't enable compat mode?
[10:31:16] <prospectacle> what annoys me is that windows has finally stopped playing win3.11 software. I bought a "microsoft ancient treasures" from a charity shop for $2 becuase, I mean "multimedia", right? But no play nice with win7 64
[10:30:54] <xlefay> rofl
[10:30:20] <Popeidol> so should it be required, I can go straight back to the best of the 90's
[10:30:08] <Popeidol> if I recall, I have a copy of bonzibuddy sitting right next to comic chat
[10:30:06] <prospectacle> yeah I think i used to go on those two when I first got a computer with the internet and it had ms comic chat.
[10:29:46] <xlefay> Or has it died?
[10:29:44] <prospectacle> oh, still is
[10:29:38] <xlefay> Undernet still exists, no?
[10:29:37] <Popeidol> also dalnet
[10:29:35] <Popeidol> undernet was a thing, yeah
[10:29:28] <prospectacle> I used to go on, what was it, undernet maybe? Was that a thing?
[10:29:21] <Popeidol> I wonder if it could be fooled with a bit of hosts file redirect
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[10:29:04] <prospectacle> I recall it being limited to ms servers
[10:28:53] <Popeidol> but then, I've never tried to connect it to another server
[10:28:53] <xlefay> probably, some weird additional ctcp protocol
[10:28:32] <Popeidol> I think comic chat required MS servers due to their non-standard IRCing
[10:28:27] <xlefay> Popeidol: you should run it one day in here and just make a few screenshots :D
[10:28:13] <Popeidol> sadly no
[10:28:05] <prospectacle> wow, are you using it right now? That would be the weirdest thing that had happened to me all day.
[10:27:44] <xlefay> Oh that's gold
[10:27:37] <Popeidol> it semi-runs under wine
[10:27:26] <Popeidol> I have a copy of comic chat at home
[10:26:39] <xlefay> haha I actually misread that nickname the first time. Guess, that's a long time ago eh
[10:26:20] <prospectacle> Yeah, stay classy people of #zdoom
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[10:25:38] <xlefay> smasher*
[10:25:32] <xlefay> Just don't misread that as masher ;')
[10:25:12] <xlefay> "assmaster" rofl
[10:23:35] <crutchy> lol check out the list of nicks in http://en.wikipedia.org
[10:22:36] <prospectacle> it was a crazy time
[10:22:25] <prospectacle> Last stable release 1999: http://en.wikipedia.org
[10:22:04] <crutchy> i remember msn messenger... that was during the big animated gif storm
[10:21:18] <crutchy> until recently :-P
[10:21:12] <crutchy> never used irc much
[10:20:48] <prospectacle> lol yeah and remember the microsoft irc client, it made people into comics
[10:20:35] <crutchy> there was hundreds of them back then (90s)... there's prolly thousands now, full of **** knows what
[10:19:04] <xlefay> =p
[10:18:55] <crutchy> back when outlook express was cool :-P
[10:18:41] <crutchy> i remember back when i first got the internet i just used outlook express to search free news servers
[10:15:32] <xlefay> then again.. I use usenet to download stuff and paid for a year in advance....
[10:15:19] <xlefay> There's some pretty cheap services though, ranging from $1 to $10 a month, last I checked
[10:14:33] <prospectacle> ok. I don't really understand how usenet works
[10:13:13] <NCommander> prospectacle, not what I meant, I don't want to runa local USENET server :-)
[10:12:14] <prospectacle> ^^^ NCommander
[10:12:00] <prospectacle> https://www.isc.org
[10:12:00] <prospectacle> INN (InterNetNews) looks ok but I haven't used it.
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[09:22:13] <NCommander> Anyone know a decent free newsserver?
[09:20:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Optical Switch Breaks Miniaturization Barrier - http://sylnt.us - room-at-the-botom
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[08:42:22] <swiss> http://i.imgur.com
[08:42:08] <swiss> arti: 7192 is top
[08:37:45] <Bender> [ksuhku] nested view++
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[08:33:53] <arti> nicely done, my first go was that divided by 10
[08:32:30] * arti shanks swiss
[08:32:30] <swiss> mid 7000's in score
[08:32:23] <swiss> arti: i've been playin it
[08:32:05] * arti shares: http://gabrielecirulli.github.io
[07:53:06] <Popeidol> I guess nested view with +2 or something might make a better default view for new people
[07:52:35] <Popeidol> looks like teh default view only shows first-level comments as expanded
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[07:47:33] <combatserver> I am ssuming it has been this way since day one....
[07:46:59] <combatserver> Unless logged in, no -1 troll posts should EVER be visible unless you deliberately click it to expand it.
[07:45:51] <combatserver> People just come for a look, and see half the posts are modded -1 Troll, but failt o see the +3 insightful post right below it.
[07:45:06] <combatserver> No fucking wonder the posts counts are so low.
[07:45:04] <Popeidol> I changed to nested view on day one, so I'm not entirely certain
[07:44:38] <combatserver> THAT needs fixed....
[07:44:26] <combatserver> End result is troll posts being expanded, and +3 posts not.
[07:44:19] <Popeidol> I believe so
[07:43:59] <Popeidol> no idea if that's relevant in this case, though
[07:43:57] <combatserver> even higher modded posts?
[07:43:40] <Popeidol> default view prioritises first-level comments over subsequent levels
[07:39:49] <combatserver> posted it in the dev channel.
[07:34:21] <combatserver> Kinda breaks moderation if trolls can't be minimized.
[07:33:38] <combatserver> So, as long as you don't respond to a post, your post gets automatically expanded.
[07:33:14] <combatserver> I see, RESPONSES are not being expanded...
[07:32:31] <combatserver> Most recent discussion has a zero post expanded, while the HIGHEST modded post is minimized.
[07:32:11] <NightHawk> take it easy dude, doubt anything that shady is afoot
[07:31:47] <combatserver> jebbuz, I cant type tonight
[07:31:35] <combatserver> pretty much the same in every discussion... discussion.
[07:31:18] <combatserver> pretty much the same discussion.
[07:29:28] <combatserver> is, sorry.
[07:29:16] <combatserver> It gives the appearance that someone is pushing certain posts to the fore, just like SLASHDOT WAS.
[07:27:59] <NightHawk> maybe, but the site's a work in progress, bring it up in #dev?
[07:27:04] <combatserver> Not good enough.
[07:26:52] <NightHawk> combatserver: I'd just blame the NSA and call it a day
[07:26:03] <combatserver> There is one post that is at +0 zero, and was moderated troll before that, never reached +1 and it is one of the few posts in that hread that are expanded.
[07:24:53] <combatserver> Can someone explain why the recent Snowden article has +0 moderated posts expanded (when NOT logged in), yet has numerous +3 posts still collapsed, by deafult settings?
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[06:35:24] <NightHawk> or Stark by Ben Elton?
[06:34:04] <xlefay> ^ true
[06:33:54] <NightHawk> wonderful, sounds like the premis for Elysium
[06:31:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Civilisation Headed for 'Irreversible Collapse' - http://sylnt.us - we're-doomed,-I-tell-you,-doomed
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[06:04:13] <xlefay> ^
[06:02:15] <mrcoolbp> sorry about that
[06:02:12] <mrcoolbp> someone tripped on a wire at the datacenter
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[05:54:10] <Bender> Added quote 51
[05:54:10] <FoobarBazbot_> !grab NightHawk
[05:53:45] <FoobarBazbot_> lol
[05:53:34] <NightHawk> damn, you bacon-- once and you're paying for it the rest of the day...
[05:53:08] <xlefay> someone set restricted on...
[05:52:59] <NightHawk> what??
[05:52:44] <xlefay> Something went wrong.
[05:52:41] <xlefay> OOPS.
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[05:13:15] <SpallsHurgenson> that is every so considerate of you :)
[05:12:39] <Popeidol> of course, I'm just saving them the time they would have spent coming to that realisation on their own
[05:12:10] <SpallsHurgenson> but surely your writing is so convincing that once they read it they won't WANT to do anything else? :)
[05:11:35] <Popeidol> once you decide to read the newsletter, your computer will be able to do nothing else
[05:10:46] <Popeidol> I'll distribute as a custom bios chip
[05:10:08] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, a core-memory chip accessed by USB :)
[05:09:57] <SpallsHurgenson> still, not old school enough. Core memory, hand-woven by yourself. That's the way you need to distribute :)
[05:07:55] <Popeidol> there are definitely still 5.25" and 8" discs being made, you just usually have to order them online
[05:07:28] <Popeidol> a bit of both, I think
[05:03:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I wonder how "new" those disks really are... or are the sellers just going through merchandise that has been sitting on a shelf for the past fifteen years
[05:02:09] <Popeidol> I'm just working my way through a stash of 50 or so I picked up from a school that was binning old hardware
[05:01:50] <Popeidol> you can still buy new 5.25" discs
[04:59:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I still have 3.5 and 5.25" drives... but blank media is a problem
[04:58:33] <Popeidol> 5.25" is a completely different matter, I had to throw out half of my them because I had too many
[04:58:03] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry, neither does (almost) anybody else :)
[04:56:28] <Popeidol> I don't have any 8-inch drives so that could be trickier
[04:55:52] <SpallsHurgenson> use 8-inch floppies for extra effect :)
[04:55:37] * kobitch touches cykros
[04:55:14] <Popeidol> your audience would be quite restricted though
[04:54:53] <Popeidol> it'd be kind of cool to distribute a newsletter via floppy now
[04:51:59] <SpallsHurgenson> ... and the scary, scary typewriter-machine-thing that punched out the original plate. I swear, that thing could probably bite into steel plate
[04:50:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember how the damn ink never got off your clothes...
[04:49:42] <mattie_p> man, I could get high on that all day, every day
[04:49:33] <mattie_p> I used to love the smell of that blue ink
[04:47:53] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, I could get one for ~$200 bucks on ebay :)
[04:46:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I haven't seen a mimeograph - or anything mimeographed -in decades
[04:46:17] <IT_phreak> touched&
[04:46:14] <IT_phreak> cykros: being touch is a TMI, period
[04:45:51] <cykros> what can i say. it's a living.
[04:45:46] <IT_phreak> old school where they smacked mad fools
[04:45:42] <cykros> my followers are many. they yearn merely to be touched by one who has been touched inappropriately by a bot
[04:45:36] <IT_phreak> old school where you dealt it real cool
[04:45:19] <cykros> i distribute my newsletter via dead drops strewn about the city. usb sticks cemented into brick walls...
[04:44:38] <SpallsHurgenson> let's go old school :)
[04:43:54] <cykros> lol, like a listserv? or actual mimeographed mailed out shenanigans?
[04:43:29] <SpallsHurgenson> tell me more. also, do you have a newsletter?
[04:42:54] <cykros> but that might be tmi
[04:42:51] <cykros> being touched inappropriately by a bot is one of my biggest turnons
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[04:27:40] <SpallsHurgenson> whichever it is, I'm fine with it :)
[04:26:46] <SpallsHurgenson> either that or I've just been touched inappropriately by a bot...
[04:23:37] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, immortalized forever!
[04:23:18] <Bender> Added quote 50
[04:23:18] <FoobarBazbot_> !grab SpallsHurgenson
[04:22:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd be find not having net neutrality if they weren't all so insistent on net-chaotic-evilly.
[04:20:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EU Grapples with Net Neutrality Issues - http://sylnt.us
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[04:03:53] * SpallsHurgenson returns from his old man's evening nap, re-energized and ready for a good night's sleep!
[04:03:32] <kobitch> balls hurgenson
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[03:48:21] <IT_phreak> lol you got corrected, failz ^^
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[03:48:08] <IT_phreak> no u -> nou
[03:47:56] <kobach> no u
[03:47:48] <IT_phreak> yes, i wholeheartedly wanted to interrupt some shady act
[03:47:09] <kobach> odd
[03:47:06] <Bender> Quote 48 - <IT_phreak> lol didn't mean to interrupt ;D
[03:47:06] <kobach> !quote 48
[03:46:44] <Bender> Quote 49 - <ethanol-fueled> Nipplebitings.
[03:46:44] <kobach> !quote 49
[03:46:39] <kobach> weird
[03:46:35] <Bender> Added quote 49
[03:46:35] <kobach> !grab ethanol-fueled
[03:46:30] <kobach> Popeidol: odd, that should have worked, ill have to tell Fatphil when he gets back
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[03:21:42] <Popeidol> curses
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[03:21:25] <Popeidol> !grab Ethanol-fueled
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[03:04:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Nipplebitings.
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[02:47:49] <BadCoderFinger> Clearly! Save the net for the trolls!
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[02:47:29] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, no more smart people allowed! They just cause problems! :)
[02:46:39] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, if they had an IQ test before access, it would solve a great deal.
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[02:44:57] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, this whole Internet things was much more fun before they let everybody else online
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[02:43:38] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:42:00] <SpallsHurgenson> see, that's why I stick with Windows! :-)
[02:41:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 10,000 Linux Servers Hit by Malware - http://sylnt.us
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[02:32:55] <BadCoderFinger> Convert them to shorts?
[02:30:29] <SpallsHurgenson> never!!!
[02:30:20] <BadCoderFinger> Better than having a leg exposed.
[02:29:55] <unitron> "* SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls on his pant" Now pull on the other one so you'll have a matched pair.
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[02:16:46] <NCommander> MY EYE
[02:16:45] * NCommander goes blind
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[02:15:26] <BadCoderFinger> Yikes@
[02:10:17] * SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls on his pant
[02:10:11] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! Somebody else is awake!
[02:09:32] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
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[01:56:25] <SpallsHurgenson> now I can play all the cool games while on the loo, just like the developers always intended!
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[01:52:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Steam's In-Home Streaming thing is pretty neat. I like being able to run games like Metro 2033 on my old AMD netbook...
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[01:40:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Snowden: Big Things to Come - http://sylnt.us - now-you-see-him
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[01:21:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Slavering. Slavering. Slaaaaah-vering. I don't use that word often enough in conversation. I need more slaver in my life.
[01:19:40] <SpallsHurgenson> you would probably STILL have advertisers and "business information" firms slavering over your data.
[01:18:38] <SpallsHurgenson> create a page for users to fill in their demographic info, but for every field put a "fill it in for me" button that randomly generates the info :)
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[01:08:16] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: so you are saying we should generate false user data for SN and sell it advertisers and other ne'er-do-wells to pay for the site. It genius I say!
[01:04:36] * SpallsHurgenson wonders a) who gives accurate demographic data to any of these services ("I am /so/ a 93 year old Chinese woman from Latvia!"), and b) who is stupid enough to then go ahead and buy all this innacurate customer information?
[01:00:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Targeted Political Ads for Microsoft Products - http://sylnt.us - suddenly-not-a-game
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[00:47:08] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, curry chicken 'n' rice.
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[00:26:43] <Landon> shorturl redacted :}
[00:26:40] <Landon> hahaha
[00:26:38] <Landon> 18:10:31 - #Soylent: + Bender ∈ [SoylentNews] - GOG.com Announces its Linux Plans - http://sylnt.us - getting-there-eventually
[00:10:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GOG.com Announces its Linux Plans - http://sylnt.us - getting-there-eventually