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[00:00:26] <Landon> just got home, time to chillax!
[00:00:29] <MrBluze> Lol ethanol u do brighten things up
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[00:02:56] <FatPhil> Ahh, gotta love features that make the code smaller
[00:02:57] <FatPhil> [master 4459408] bot.pl: neutral default quest messages, and themed ones from file 1 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
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[00:10:35] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Meet Cupid, the Drone with the 80,000 Volt Laser - http://sylnt.us - shall-I-fly-this-or-just-call-the-police
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[00:12:15] <robind> well we aren't the first community project that was nearly toppled by some asshole and we certainly won't be the last
[00:12:23] <robind> if we survive 2 or 3 more of these we'll probably be ok
[00:12:31] <MrBluze> Yep
[00:12:50] <MrBluze> If I have any sway this will not happen again.
[00:12:54] <robind> from where i'm sitting nothing has really changed though
[00:13:11] <robind> still the same engineers working on the same project for the same userbase
[00:13:25] <MrBluze> Things are ok it is just a bug and is being fixed
[00:13:38] <MrBluze> Human bugs
[00:13:41] <robind> lol
[00:13:47] <robind> cockroaches
[00:14:34] <MrBluze> Well its a system problem, and we have enough good people to make sure it's fixed
[00:14:45] <SoyCow4019> I liked the suggestions by someone for a kickstarter. I mean there are plenty of people who want to contribute, if the charter in the kickstarter seemed legit, I reckon it would work quickly.
[00:14:58] <MrBluze> So I am very optimistic from that point of view
[00:15:21] <FuckBeta> It is sad what has happened.
[00:15:30] <FuckBeta> The allegations of meanness and ungentlemanly conduct.
[00:15:32] <FuckBeta> Not cool.
[00:15:36] <FuckBeta> Taints everyone
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[00:15:50] <MrBluze> I think it will be ok
[00:15:55] <FatPhil> meanness was a strange word to use
[00:16:30] <FatPhil> I was almost expecting the sentence to end "because you're all poopie-heads" or something
[00:16:33] <robind> he's just completely full of shit. he's playing the sympathy card and it worked.
[00:16:42] <MrBluze> There is nothing in the world forcing people to act professionally so this is what you get
[00:16:47] <robind> i was nothing but polite to him up until he pulled this ransom bit
[00:16:59] <robind> he got in a scuffle with ncommander and that turned into "the entire technical team is mean to me"
[00:17:19] <robind> I never had a conversation with Barrabas that lasted more than a few lines
[00:17:23] <robind> he was always too busy with other stuff
[00:17:42] <robind> up until today of course
[00:17:52] <FatPhil> Right from the start I understood it to be driven by keen skilled volunteers working by consensus for the common good.
[00:18:05] <SoyCow4019> Lesson for all: Write an organisational charter and mission statement before recruiting a single person, whatever your enterprise.
[00:18:05] <FatPhil> If you disagree with everyone else who has consensus, there's only one conclusion
[00:18:10] <MrBluze> It is still
[00:18:41] <SoyCow4019> and by "recruiting" I include volunteers/friends/contributors
[00:18:51] <MrBluze> I have not seen any harsh words by anyone ever in the team except for this one big incident
[00:18:52] <robind> yeah he definitely didn't do that
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[00:19:21] <robind> I would've been fine paying him for his lost time. like it's a personal decision to leave the project, and recouping your expenses is fine.
[00:19:26] <MrBluze> Brb
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[00:19:40] <robind> but he went beyond that--the 2k number was penalizing us for not being nice to him
[00:19:51] <SoyCow5236> What's the latest?
[00:19:53] <robind> it was a completely fictitious sum
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[00:20:13] <robind> and by 'us' i mean ncommander basically
[00:20:16] <SoyCow4019> 2k isn't much money
[00:20:16] <SoyCow5236> What is $2k for an established site?
[00:20:20] <SoyCow5236> cheap
[00:20:22] <SoyCow5236> just pay it
[00:20:23] <robind> yeah everyone keeps saying that
[00:20:29] <SoyCow4019> If it had been crowdsourced it would have been raised in two days
[00:20:44] <robind> also it's already settled, so we're just doing an analysis after the fact anyway
[00:20:49] <robind> but if you'll hear me out
[00:20:53] <robind> it's the principal of the matter
[00:20:55] <FuckBeta> SoyCow4019: oh, so you want to spend other people's money?
[00:20:55] <SoyCow4019> By all means...
[00:20:59] <FuckBeta> SoyCow4019: then everything is "cheap"
[00:21:10] <robind> if someone stole your car keys and said they'd give them back if you paid them 500 bucks
[00:21:18] <robind> would you do it or would you get your car rekeyed?
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[00:21:25] <robind> that is completely analogous to this situation
[00:21:27] <SoyCow5236> electronic keys cost ~$500 robind
[00:21:40] <SoyCow5236> have you bought a car in the last decade?
[00:21:42] <FuckBeta> SoyCow5236: troll?
[00:21:43] <robind> SoyCow5236, ok replace that number with 2k then
[00:21:47] <robind> as a matter of fact I have
[00:21:51] <robind> 2013 vw : )
[00:21:54] <SoyCow4019> I'm not trying to spend anyone's money, or telling anyone to spend money. I'm saying it's not much money for an established domain with a reputation.
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[00:22:03] <robind> anyway
[00:22:09] <FuckBeta> SoyCow4019: I misinterpreted "cheap; just pay it" then
[00:22:14] <poutine--> I said that
[00:22:18] <FuckBeta> yes robind please carry on
[00:22:23] <SoyCow4019> robind, he didn't do everything by a long shot, but if the domain name is his, and he bought it, then it's not ransom if he sells it
[00:22:30] <FuckBeta> so the others dont' support allegations of meanness
[00:22:31] <SoyCow4019> the site can be hosted on another domain
[00:22:41] <SoyCow4019> fuckbeta, that wasn't mean that said that.
[00:22:42] <robind> SoyCow4019, it's true.
[00:22:46] <poutine--> I foretold the fall of Barrabas/SN before it happened
[00:22:46] <robind> but why
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[00:22:49] <robind> other than to be a dick
[00:22:56] <SoyCow4019> sorry, too many soycow's
[00:22:56] <robind> the domain cost him like $5 to register
[00:23:00] <SoyCow4019> sorry, too many soycows
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[00:23:09] <FuckBeta> sorry SoyCow4019, wrong soycow, was talking to soycow5236
[00:23:13] <robind> and then a bunch of volunteers made it worth something, acting on good faith
[00:23:14] <prospectacle> that's better
[00:23:27] <robind> then Barrabas turned around and just screwed us all
[00:23:31] <prospectacle> robind, most of the site was done by volunteers, they can move their work to another domain
[00:23:32] <Landon> BendingUnit: current-uid
[00:23:32] <BendingUnit> The current maximum UID is 3742, owned by ldephil
[00:23:39] <poutine--> I say we let someone spend their $2000, then completely abandon SN for something else
[00:23:46] <robind> a little late to the party
[00:23:48] <robind> it already happened
[00:23:50] <FuckBeta> poutine--: interesting....I know nothing about any of this, but would be interested in your view of the warning signs
[00:23:50] <prospectacle> the domain name itself has a reptuation, and that domain name was started and paid for (I assume please correct otherwise) by a guy who is now selling it
[00:23:53] <FatPhil> FuckBeta: good call, with "SoyCow5236: troll?"!
[00:23:54] <prospectacle> for that, 2k is cheap.
[00:24:02] <robind> ok
[00:24:03] <robind> it may be cheap
[00:24:07] <poutine--> FuckBeta: Ok first off was Barrabas saying he expect $10,000,000 USD out of the site
[00:24:35] <FuckBeta> can anyone verify the $10 mio claim?
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[00:24:43] <poutine--> second, they were going to go live with a trademark infringing name (altslashdot.org) until I brough tup, "Yeah, just name your soda AltCoke, and sell it commercially, and tell me everything will be ok when Coke finds out"
[00:24:44] <prospectacle> if the volunteers had moved their work to a different domain, most would have followed
[00:24:44] <robind> anyway that's my opinion
[00:24:47] <FuckBeta> thatis major red flag
[00:24:48] <robind> it's settled now anyway
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[00:25:05] <prospectacle> It's easier if the domain is kept. I think it all seems fairly above board, if unfortunate.
[00:25:16] <poutine--> FuckBeta: I brought up all these red flags and was considered a troll for it
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[00:25:28] <robind> poutine--, admit you were being a troll
[00:25:29] <robind> come on
[00:25:33] <robind> you brought up good points sometimes
[00:25:33] <Cactus> poutine--, You brought all those up after they had been dealt with
[00:25:33] <FuckBeta> poutine--: yes, I saw the "altslashdot" references on /.
[00:25:36] <poutine--> Was I right?
[00:25:39] <FuckBeta> and was surpised at the obvious trademark infringement
[00:25:40] <robind> but you're like 50% troll
[00:25:53] <poutine--> Cactus: not true, I was the reason these things were taken care of
[00:26:01] <poutine--> Barabbas would ahve gone live with altslashdot if not for me
[00:26:07] <prospectacle> +robind, thanks for the update (that it's already happened)
[00:26:35] <poutine--> Also I constantly questioned why he was involved, all he did was setup a wiki and bought a $9 domain
[00:26:43] <prospectacle> +robind, as I said when the drama first happened, this sounds like no big deal and will be little more than a footnote in the history of the site, as there seems to be enough support to keep it going in some form.
[00:26:48] <Cactus> poutine--, No, you aren't. You DID make good points, but you made them over and over after things were already being taken care of. And no matter what anyone said to you, you just kept rolling with outdated info
[00:26:48] <FuckBeta> too many characters, too many accounts....probably impossible for outsiders (aka the rest of the "community") to really understand what went wrong
[00:26:52] <robind> yeah I'm not worried about it
[00:27:08] <robind> I'm just pissed about this one person being so inconsiderate to the rest of the community
[00:27:09] <naubol> so is the buyer still possibly a benefactor?
[00:27:14] <robind> he is in fact
[00:27:16] <poutine--> Ok Cactus, well this channel was logged, and these things can be cross checked, I most definitely called this failure ,and was the only person saying these things
[00:27:18] <robind> but barrabas did not know that
[00:27:20] <poutine--> everyone else was eating off his hand
[00:27:24] <naubol> so we're goign to keep soylentnews.com?
[00:27:29] <robind> for now
[00:27:32] <naubol> err .org
[00:27:39] <Cactus> poutine--, You did call this failure.
[00:27:43] <robind> ok poutine-- we get it you have great foresight
[00:27:56] <prospectacle> +robind, it got away from him I guess, and he wants to feel like he's leaving with his pride
[00:28:02] <Cactus> poutine--, But you also give the impression that EVERYTHING is doomed to failure.
[00:28:08] <robind> Cactus++
[00:28:08] <BendingUnit> karma - cactus: 3
[00:28:08] <FuckBeta> robind: if that is true - that he has great foresight - then he should be promoted into leadership role if he wants the job
[00:28:11] <poutine--> maybe
[00:28:15] <robind> lol
[00:28:18] <robind> hmm
[00:28:27] <naubol> foresight is not the only quality a leader needs
[00:28:29] <robind> there's more than just having foresight to being a leader
[00:28:34] <robind> you have to also not be a jerk
[00:28:37] <FuckBeta> but there is a difference between someone who will call out the emperors new clothes
[00:28:46] <FuckBeta> and someone who is obstructively pessimistic
[00:29:17] <FuckBeta> my point was badly put - more generally, a group can often get good info from dissenters
[00:29:24] <poutine--> I have unrivaled technical experience in programming, unix/linux administration, and business/marketing
[00:29:27] <Cactus> Anyway, poutine is fun to have around. You are like some weird IRC mascot for us.
[00:29:42] <FuckBeta> there are a lot of egos here...interesting to observe
[00:29:48] <FuckBeta> we all bring our own to the table
[00:29:57] <FuckBeta> but there are certain behaviours I've not encountered before IRL
[00:30:06] <FuckBeta> so wondering if this is some latent tendency brought out by anonminity
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[00:30:11] <robind> yeah no doubt
[00:30:18] <FuckBeta> or just that I've not encounted these sorts of people before
[00:30:18] <robind> internet sociopathy is nothing new
[00:30:32] <Cactus> FuckBeta, anonymity does do things to people
[00:30:50] <prospectacle> There are too many cooks already, so I won't try to get involved, but I hope this all ends up as some formally incorporated, not-for-profit, and can therefore be stable.
[00:30:59] <FuckBeta> robind: conduct is interesting. It seems that some (most?) don't have morals at all, they are just ruled by consequence. And take away consequence...
[00:31:00] <robind> so poutine-- why don't you get cracking on some of those bugs?
[00:31:03] <Cactus> prospectacle, That's the goal.
[00:31:03] <prospectacle> Just tell me where to donate when that happens
[00:31:16] <prospectacle> +Cactus, great!
[00:31:32] <FuckBeta> Its amazing that with all the successful open source projects out there...and the technical expertise of slashdot expats, that this became such a clusterfuck
[00:31:43] <FuckBeta> To be fair, the main site is still accessible, so not too bad
[00:31:44] <goodi> not that amazing imho
[00:31:46] <robind> it only takes 1 person to ruin it for everyone
[00:31:50] <FuckBeta> But sure this has left a bad taste in everyones mouth
[00:32:00] <naubol> does ncommander go by ncommander on irc?
[00:32:03] <robind> yep
[00:32:05] <FuckBeta> naubol: yes
[00:32:09] <poutine--> robind: I would love to, however I refuse to contribute to projects that infringe copyright/trademark (like pipedot), and I won't contribute to a project unless they have a stable plan for existence
[00:32:13] <poutine--> which is not true at this point
[00:32:17] <robind> k then
[00:32:22] <FuckBeta> poutine--: why is pipedot infringing?
[00:32:27] <robind> sounds like you wouldn't love to then
[00:32:55] <robind> also maybe you could contribute by helping us figure out how to incorporate? i know about engineering but not about law...
[00:32:58] <FuckBeta> poutine--: is your premise that DICE owns "dot"?
[00:33:10] <FuckBeta> robind: I've a legal background, but probably not in your jurisdiction
[00:33:11] <goodi> hey guys just a quick dropin where are we at now? any news since mattie's post?
[00:33:23] <FuckBeta> robind: actually, given this is the internet, why don't we jurisdiction shop for best place to incorporate
[00:33:31] <robind> not a bad idea
[00:33:55] <poutine--> FuckBeta: 1) They're using visual elements verbatim from slashdot.org (I don't care if the css is slightly different, it mimics the same exact design) 2) They're using a name that is mostly the same as slashdot.org
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[00:34:03] <poutine--> If they ever went to court, they'd be eaten for lunch
[00:34:03] <robind> how about sweden
[00:34:13] <FuckBeta> some of us may be interested in learning of possible useful non five eyes jurisdictions friendly to capital and enterpris
[00:34:39] <FuckBeta> poutine--: so you're saying there is deliberate attempt to confuse, hence engaging trademark law...
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[00:34:44] <robind> so poutine-- are you canadian?
[00:34:53] <MrBluze> Hmm
[00:34:53] <poutine--> I am not canadian
[00:35:01] <robind> do you just enjoy poutine then?
[00:35:02] <FuckBeta> poutine--: we should probably rise above being something based on slashdot...
[00:35:08] <prospectacle> Is there an article that lists specifically what needs to be done from here to stability? Might be a good way to pool expertise and updates. Or is it all changing too fast?
[00:35:19] <FuckBeta> although I've always disliked this "Soylent" stuff
[00:35:29] <robind> yeah soylent was john's thing
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[00:35:33] <FuckBeta> The film disturbed me.
[00:35:34] <robind> i didn't have a say in it
[00:35:40] <FuckBeta> Something a little too plausible.
[00:35:43] <MrBluze> We will have a vote
[00:36:04] <FuckBeta> Also, there is somebody selling "soylent" as some sort of meal replacement
[00:36:09] <poutine--> FuckBeta: I'm saying that there's certain criteria used for likelihood of confusion, and that criteria does not fare well for pipedot being a non-infringing entity
[00:36:11] <FuckBeta> although the original meaning was soybeans/lentils
[00:36:17] <robind> yeah
[00:36:40] <MrBluze> And I agree with you poutine organisational stability is paramount
[00:36:45] <FuckBeta> poutine--: I'd go devils advocate about the obvious parody...but not really a discussion worth having...and your point that anything that invites a lawsuit is bad form is well taken
[00:37:02] <FuckBeta> What is this, Wikimedia?
[00:37:15] <FuckBeta> If you see a snake, kill it. Don't appoint a committe on snakes.
[00:37:43] <prospectacle> let's call it: "The non-profit intellectual news confederation and discussion journal"
[00:38:03] <robind> haha at the uni I went to there was a fricking committee on committees.
[00:38:10] <robind> i suppose the us senate has that as well
[00:38:15] <MrBluze> Lol
[00:38:23] <MrBluze> The senate senate
[00:38:36] <FuckBeta> robind: see, I can't stand all of that stuff. Blatant waste of time.
[00:38:36] <MrBluze> Brb
[00:38:40] <FuckBeta> MrBluze: the Supreme Soviet
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[00:39:13] <MrBluze> Lol yes
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[00:40:07] <FuckBeta> For people to organise, there needs to be a greater purpose. Or its just another website.
[00:40:07] <poutine--> FuckBeta: I just don't think the parody exception is clear cut enough to say whether or not pipedot.org infringes trademark or copyright, I will say that no attorney has been consulted on the matter (At least publicly) and thus I'm not confident that any work I'd contribute would survive a cease-and-desist
[00:40:31] <FuckBeta> poutine--: I certainly respect your reasons for not contributing in these circumstances.
[00:40:36] <amblivious> wow, numbers have really picked up in here today.
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[00:40:41] <naubol> some trademarks are lost through generalization, and it could be argued that slashdot is a compilation of previous terms which pipedot does not violate being a different compilation of same set of prior art
[00:41:03] <FuckBeta> I wonder should our efforts really be about slashdot any more
[00:41:04] <SoyCow3596> but pipedot sounds stupid
[00:41:05] <poutine--> naubol: Ok, but pipedot mimics slashdot in both appearance and functionality
[00:41:06] <prospectacle> The trick is to avoid having to defend it at all, if possible. time+money
[00:41:06] <FatPhil> fair use is completely different for trademark issues and copyright issues. parody is protected under copyright's fair use rights.
[00:41:07] <FuckBeta> And I say that as the FuckBeta user
[00:41:12] <FatPhil> IANAL
[00:41:13] <robind> eh everything we do is temporary
[00:41:16] <robind> even protons decay
[00:41:17] <MrBluze> Apple sues people for words starting with i
[00:41:18] <SoyCow3596> the only thing pipedot has going for it is 'without the corporate slant'
[00:41:29] <FuckBeta> FatPhil: but trademark is a different ball of wax. Especially when you have similar/confusing appearance
[00:41:37] <naubol> also, considering the original slash code, css, look, templates, etc were given out under very permissive circumstances...I could also see "mimicing the look" to not be an actionable thing for slashdot
[00:42:05] <poutine--> naubol: license to use a 2007 version of a theme does not grant you rights to use current revisions of a theme
[00:42:08] <FuckBeta> FatPhil: calling Coke Choke and making a funny parody logo is okay - until you start selling brown fizzy drinks with the label on
[00:42:16] <FatPhil> FuckBeta: erm, did I not say "completely different for trademark issues"?!??!
[00:42:18] <SoyCow3596> We do not want to NEED to defend outselves
[00:42:31] <naubol> I just think your certainty is a little supercilious
[00:42:31] <FatPhil> MrBluze: are you familiar with http://en.wikipedia.org
[00:42:36] <poutine--> pipedot.org copied elements, you know that medal in the header on slashdot? Pipedot had that, wait until a lawyer looks at waybackmachine
[00:42:46] <SoyCow3596> buckfeta.now
[00:42:48] <SoyCow3596> ;)
[00:43:11] <FuckBeta> can someone just go ahead and register be.ta and get it over with?
[00:43:16] <MrBluze> Lol fatphil
[00:43:17] <FuckBeta> we can have fuck.be.ta
[00:43:48] <FuckBeta> The . ta TLD exists solely for Talossan Republic, Kingdom of Talossa
[00:44:06] <Landon> .news is only a month or so away, isn't it :)
[00:44:10] <Landon> we need to get on that domain ;)
[00:44:18] <SoyCow8746> If you are not careful about your next move the moment (and momentum) will be lost. DICE is fixing the apparent problems in Beta (comment threading, whitespace), closed-source-Pipedot is more technologically advanced (jQuery front-end over semi-restful interface), Technocrat and Hacker News are simply working.
[00:44:19] <poutine--> I'm actually not seeing pipedot's cached version with medal on wayback machine, but I definitely saw it on pipedot before i brought up to the pipedot peeps that they copied stuff they weren't licensed to use
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[00:45:08] <frojack> Slashdot may be fixing Beta, but they are not fixing Dice.
[00:45:23] <amblivious> no dice baby!
[00:45:43] <naubol> my assessment is that you want to keep the bedrock, the people who have such a hardon for tech, and a fair subset of those are probably antagonistic to pipe dot simply because it isn't restful and requires jquery
[00:45:54] <poutine--> I think DICE has made it clear 1) Slashdot is not profitable in its current form 2) They're targeting a more generalized audience, rather than a small group of vocal geeks
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[00:46:25] <poutine--> I think aiming at browsers that disable js is stupid
[00:46:28] <poutine--> they've done studies
[00:46:33] <poutine--> you're less than 1% of the browsing population
[00:46:45] <naubol> ahh you are a troll
[00:46:47] <pbnjoe> is technocrat supposed to have literally nothing picture-wise> this looks broken
[00:46:47] <poutine--> If someone wants to add in graceful degradation, wonderful
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[00:47:00] <SoyCow8746> Not very many people in the real world care about what we are doing/arguing here. The living space for "Alt/Slash/Soylent" is diminishing. There is still time, but the next move must be a hit and not a miss.
[00:47:12] <pbnjoe> s/>/\?/
[00:47:12] <SedBot> <pbnjoe> is technocrat supposed to have literally nothing picture-wise? this looks broken
[00:47:15] <prospectacle> poutine: Agree re: js. Let it work without, let it work better with.
[00:47:22] <FuckBeta> frojack: the DICE marketing pages for ad space on /. are dire
[00:47:24] <SoyCow8746> Please remember that when registering that "be.ta", etc...
[00:47:35] <FuckBeta> frojack: they make out that the poll feature is a legit way of getting "community feedback"
[00:47:55] <melikamp> <FuckBeta>: where are them pages?
[00:48:11] <FuckBeta> SoyCow8746: I'm all for moving beyond that. We cannot be an anti slashdot beta protest or we become irrelevant
[00:48:15] <drcoolbp> poutine--
[00:48:15] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -274
[00:48:27] <robind> poutine----
[00:48:31] <robind> ah that didn't work
[00:48:31] <robind> sad
[00:48:42] <amblivious> I think we should fire NCommander and mattie. Just looks what's happened to numbers here due to the infighting!
[00:48:43] <poutine--> I am immune
[00:48:53] <robind> "poutine--"--
[00:48:55] <robind> aw
[00:49:01] <poutine--> {poutine--}--
[00:49:02] <amblivious> lol. clever dick.
[00:49:16] <robind> well you also can't be voted up
[00:49:19] <robind> so fair enough i suppose
[00:49:22] <poutine--> poutine--++
[00:49:23] <drcoolbp> poutine----
[00:49:34] <poutine--> poutine\-\-++
[00:49:38] <drcoolbp> "clever girl"
[00:49:40] <FunPika> poutine--
[00:49:40] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -275
[00:49:54] <naubol> poutine*--
[00:49:59] <naubol> poutine.*--
[00:50:06] <drcoolbp> amblivious you can fire anyone you want
[00:50:24] * amblivious fires drcoolbp
[00:50:30] <amblivious> woohoo!
[00:50:37] * drcoolbp hires slef back
[00:50:43] <amblivious> dang
[00:50:45] <drcoolbp> self*
[00:50:47] <drcoolbp> = )
[00:51:20] <FuckBeta> poutine--
[00:51:20] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -276
[00:51:36] <FuckBeta> what is point of karma here?
[00:51:48] <naubol> to run over dogma?
[00:51:54] <amblivious> There is no point other than to get poutine at the top/bottom of the ladder.
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[00:53:17] <frojack> keeps children busy.
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[00:53:33] <drcoolbp> poutine-- I heard you were being helpful earlier, is that true?
[00:53:33] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -277
[00:53:37] <drcoolbp> hahah
[00:54:32] <poutine--> I am always helpful
[00:54:39] <amblivious> lol
[00:55:04] <SoyCow3596> hello
[00:55:07] <drcoolbp> poutine-- we appreciate the help
[00:55:08] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -278
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[00:55:29] <drcoolbp> hello
[00:55:50] <SoyCow3596> wtf are we going to do for an encore after the who barrabas/ncommander shitfest
[00:55:50] <SoyCow3596> ?
[00:55:55] <FuckBeta> hello drcoolbp
[00:55:55] <melikamp> FuckBeta: really, I wonna see the dire pages, can you link me up please?
[00:55:58] <paulej72> that is the funniest thing I have seen lately a nick that has built in karma
[00:56:20] <drcoolbp> poutine-- is my firend
[00:56:20] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -279
[00:56:25] <drcoolbp> poutine-- I luv him
[00:56:25] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -280
[00:56:28] <FuckBeta> melikamp: http://slashdotmedia.com
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[00:56:40] <drcoolbp> poutine-- I miss you
[00:56:41] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -281
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[00:57:09] <FunPika> dice--
[00:57:09] <BendingUnit> karma - dice: -5
[00:57:23] <Ethanol-fueled> niggerdicks++
[00:57:24] <BendingUnit> karma - niggerdicks: 1
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[00:57:47] <SoyCow3596> How much more can SN take before it dies?
[00:57:47] <amblivious> poutine is a realist. I keep a little bit of time aside for him/her. He/she obviously cares a little despite the apparent negative bedside manner.
[00:57:54] <FuckBeta> Hey Ethanol-fueled ... what ... the... fuck.
[00:58:02] <SoyCow3596> How much more can SN take before it dies?
[00:58:02] <SoyCow3596> How much more can SN take before it dies?
[00:58:03] <SoyCow3596> How much more can SN take before it dies?
[00:58:09] <drcoolbp> ?
[00:58:16] <amblivious> Wouldn't have spent this much time hanging about if it meant nothing (aside from popcorn factor I suppose).
[00:58:23] <drcoolbp> SoyCow this couldn't be farther from dying
[00:58:23] * FuckBeta kicks SoyCow3596 (flood)
[00:58:26] <SoyCow3596> It doesn't mean nothing
[00:58:27] <Ethanol-fueled> can soylent news take more whippins than an African Slave?
[00:58:27] <drcoolbp> haha
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[00:58:41] <prospectacle> It's easy to join/leave a website. Easiest thing in the world.
[00:58:46] <SoyCow3596> but it means less the more we burn real life karma
[00:58:49] <FuckBeta> Ethanol-fueled: go watch a minstrel show
[00:58:56] <prospectacle> If SN ever becomes stable politically, it will accumulate users forever more
[00:59:19] <SoyCow3596> but will it stabilize before impact?
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[00:59:33] <pbnjoe> we gotta wait and see :)
[00:59:33] <Ethanol-fueled> prospectacle, since the recent revelations on SN, it is starting to look as a whole like a self-loathing mixed-race baby.
[00:59:45] <FuckBeta> !!!
[01:00:22] <Ethanol-fueled> I am of mixed race so it is impossible for me to be racist.
[01:00:32] <prospectacle> SoyCow3596: Doesn't matter. Say it implodes, dies, gone. and a moth later a few of the volunteers start a new one but this one has a clear charter/structure, is stable and publishes stories regularly. People will start joining again and it will snowball.
[01:00:46] <arthur> :( ... I ... still like it better than /. nowadays. I'm hoping this transition period is short-lived.
[01:00:56] <pbnjoe> I feel the same
[01:00:59] <poutine--> SN's demise has upended any belief I ever thought to have a firm foundation. Is incest now OK?
[01:01:02] <FuckBeta> arthur: slashdot has been pioneering user-generated content and social media since 1997
[01:01:02] <SoyCow3596> We can only hope
[01:01:05] <pbnjoe> I also really like my 313 uid so I hope SN is fine
[01:01:07] <pbnjoe> heh
[01:01:11] <Ethanol-fueled> prospectacle: This is the sixth time we have created an Alt Slashdot, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
[01:01:15] <FuckBeta> Ethanol-fueled: well your nick looks brown to me.
[01:01:15] <melikamp> FuckBeta: Wow, they got big plans alright. B2B, cloud computing... They are going to leverage the shit out of that site.
[01:01:17] <SoyCow3596> but I'm not encouraged when I see fewer than 20 comments on most stories
[01:01:34] <arthur> Oh, I know. I've been reading slashdot since 1998 or so.
[01:01:35] <Ethanol-fueled> FuckBeta: that's pretty accurate.
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[01:01:56] <pbnjoe> SoyCow3596, the site is very young
[01:01:56] <FuckBeta> Ethanol-fueled: did you choose it? I appear to myself as white. What colour am I for you?
[01:02:05] <FuckBeta> pbnjoe is blue
[01:02:09] <prospectacle> Ethanol-fueled so just cause you're mixed race you lack the ability to be racist? Don't limit yourself like that, that's ignorant.
[01:02:09] <Ethanol-fueled> SoyCow3596: I know I am responding to a troll, but the comments are fewer but better.
[01:02:21] <pbnjoe> if there's still less than 20 comments on average per story after like a year, then maybe there's ground
[01:02:23] <pbnjoe> also ^
[01:02:26] <SoyCow3596> I'm not a troll
[01:02:33] <Ethanol-fueled> FuckBeta: charcteuse
[01:02:42] <Ethanol-fueled> that green that's on the new volkswagen bugs
[01:02:47] <melikamp> SoyCow3596: It's fine, as long as they are smart comments. I, OTOH, don't like when I see 5 Microsoft product stories every day.
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[01:02:51] <Ethanol-fueled> chartreuse^
[01:02:58] <poutine--> Eagerly awaiting AltSoylentNewscott
[01:03:09] <SoyCow3596> :) @ poutine
[01:03:27] <Ethanol-fueled> melikamp: Yeah, and a lot of the slashdot commenters were "yeah, me too" comments with nothing else added to the conversation.
[01:03:29] <FuckBeta> that was quite funny
[01:03:32] <melikamp> Can we have fuzzy dice for a new logo?
[01:04:08] <SoyCow3596> anyone here a licensed ham ?
[01:04:14] <Ethanol-fueled> I had Timothy for breakfast after he admitted he was a Jew.
[01:04:15] <melikamp> Moooo!
[01:04:17] <prospectacle> Honestly I think slashdot has too many comments per story. Very few actual conversations.
[01:04:23] <prospectacle> On SN you can read every comment of every story
[01:04:28] <prospectacle> Well, most
[01:04:42] <Ethanol-fueled> prospectacle: that is correct, there was too much noise and not enough signal.
[01:04:53] <SoyCow3596> but it's hard to want to moderate, because I want to comment on every story
[01:04:57] <SoyCow3596> :)
[01:05:07] <pbnjoe> that will be fixed naturally in time :)
[01:05:12] <pbnjoe> when we stop getting mod points every two seconds
[01:05:24] <prospectacle> Well moderation has issues. I don't know how to design it better, but I can help feeling it could be designed much better.
[01:05:25] <melikamp> Not a problem at the moment, the discussions are small enough to read at -1
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[01:05:37] <SoyCow3596> No ham radio operators?
[01:05:46] <prospectacle> I mean "Can't help feeling"
[01:06:01] * SoyCow3596 knew what prospectacle meant
[01:06:01] <Ethanol-fueled> SoyCow3596: I have an FCC Grol and don't know shit about HAM radio. Is that wrong?
[01:06:11] <melikamp> Ask the cows here, may be they have some licensed ham
[01:06:24] <SoyCow3596> :P
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[01:06:51] <SoyCow3596> I want to try to build a mesh network in my neck of the woods
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[01:07:25] <SoyCow3596> in the US, ham radio operators can modify a BHR to transmit at higher power for greater distanc
[01:07:39] <prospectacle> I know people are down on the web ("it wasn't designed for that"). But i remember using IRC clients. This page is great. Everything converging on the web is a good thing in my book.
[01:07:55] <Ethanol-fueled> SoyCow3596: Do you need an FCC license to transmit at higher powers?
[01:08:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Legally?
[01:08:05] <SoyCow3596> I was wondering if anyone had tried a mesh network to cover several city blocks
[01:08:16] <melikamp> I heard /. has now armies of paid astroturfers, both submitters and commenters, and I can certainly believe it. SN has no such problem now, but I wonder if we should think of ways to combat this shit before we get big and it hits the fan. Cuz it will.
[01:08:37] <SoyCow3596> Yes, the FCC limits the power you can transmit in the 2.4Ghz range without a license
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[01:09:22] <Ethanol-fueled> melikamp: Yes indeed. At least they were kind enough to ease us into their corporate whoredom.
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[01:09:53] <prospectacle> melikamp: I would like to think so, but good luck. Astroturfing is older than astroturf
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[01:10:15] <Ethanol-fueled> It was way obvious...there'd be a comment, then there'd be a comment below it which said the exact same thing except with a word or two changed around, and from a different username.
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[01:10:29] <SoyCow3596> Hams have additional frequencies they could use too: https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:10:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Here's a question - how many of Slashdot's users were actual non-paid-shill users?
[01:10:40] <melikamp> prospectacle: I know they will inevitably try, but what if we are ready with sume cunning plan?
[01:10:41] <Ethanol-fueled> That weren't dupe accounts?
[01:10:56] <SoyCow3596> Use a ham licence for the backbone to travel distance, then regular 802.11 for the mesh
[01:11:34] <SpallsHurgenson> non-paid shills = shills that weren't paid, or people that weren't shills (and weren't paid)?
[01:11:42] <Ethanol-fueled> SoyCow3596: What cool things could I do with a ham radio? I am licensed for life and never even used the fucking thing. Got it at a discount while in the USAF.
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[01:12:10] <melikamp> I remember Eben Moglen saying something about Internet over radio being entirely viable.
[01:12:13] <prospectacle> melikamp: Maybe it should be mod options: -1 empty buzzwords, -1 obvious shill, -1 yeah sure you are.
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[01:12:25] <FunPika> #staff is now open to everyone although its set up so we can't hear you in there. ;)
[01:12:51] <melikamp> prospectacle: A mod category... I like that :)
[01:12:51] <Ethanol-fueled> prospectacle: That's a good idea. also "-1 me too I agree" without contributing anything else.
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[01:13:33] <Ethanol-fueled> SpallsHurgenson: you know what I mean. Care to provide your own estimate?
[01:13:35] <SoyCow3596> ham radio is primarily an alt communication method in emergencies, but there are fun people to talk to, and fun things to try for (such as communicating with the ISS, or palmer station in antarctica)
[01:13:47] <melikamp> Ethanol-fueled: This option may be provided, but instead of modding the comment it should simply reduce the modder's karma.
[01:13:59] <SpallsHurgenson> Ethanol-fueled: actually, I don't (especially since I just walked into the conversation :)
[01:13:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I've often wondered if there was a really, really large reserve of names to use for shills, or by the editors' own admission their use.
[01:14:12] <poutine--> SoyCow3596, what is the purpose of your mesh network?
[01:14:28] <SoyCow3596> I'm curious if I can build a localized "internet" locally so that people in my town can communicate free from NSA or corporate interference.
[01:14:30] <dentonj> ham radio was the internet of our grandparents
[01:14:40] <Ethanol-fueled> here in Soylent news at least you know we're legit.
[01:14:51] <poutine--> SoyCow3596: Nope, that is not an amateur purpose
[01:15:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I assume you are asking how many people weren't shills. I can tell you from personal experience that that there was at least one person who was not a shill :)
[01:15:27] * SpallsHurgenson denies it is only because the check from Dice bounced, however :)
[01:15:32] <SoyCow3596> I'd like to see what several thousand people could do on a decentralized network...untraceable like sneakernet, but more convenient
[01:16:10] <melikamp> SoyCow3596: Uh... You like seeing dicks?
[01:16:11] <poutine--> ISoyCow3596, ok well first, you can't do that with HAM radio
[01:16:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey everybody! *waves FCC license obnoxiously* pay for my meals and airfare and I can stand around while you build your mesh network.
[01:16:47] <Ethanol-fueled> That way, if the feds come asking what you're doing, I can flash my license.
[01:16:47] <poutine--> Also what's wrong with existing wireless mesh protocols?
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[01:17:07] <melikamp> poutine-- has a point
[01:17:07] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -282
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[01:17:44] <Ethanol-fueled> bix_nood++
[01:17:44] <BendingUnit> karma - bix_nood: 2
[01:18:00] <melikamp> poutine-- has a very good point, actually, and I wish there was a way to reflect our gratitude by assigning an integer value
[01:18:00] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -283
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[01:19:27] <SoyCow3596> then I'll have to use cantennas
[01:19:28] <SoyCow3596> :)
[01:19:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet slashdot had only around 1000 real users.
[01:19:46] <poutine--> so... 802.11 then
[01:19:58] <poutine--> why not wimax?
[01:20:39] <melikamp> I've had about 150 friends whom I was reading, and I swear, everyone else was mostly spouting noise. So you may be overestimating.
[01:21:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I think accusations of shilling far, far exceed actual shills. But then I never read at less than mod level 1 :)
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[01:22:05] <SoyCow3596> poutine: http://www.broadband-hamnet.org
[01:22:18] <SoyCow3596> Someone is doing it via ham freqs
[01:22:25] <melikamp> And what's with the freaking tags on /. ? Did anyone ever figure out how they work?
[01:22:59] * melikamp can't believe he's on IRC. In 2014.
[01:23:24] <SoyCow3596> Looks like the only downside it that only hams are able to participate in that network
[01:23:37] <melikamp> Fuck beta, and fuck tags.
[01:23:38] <SoyCow3596> but why couldn't a single ham run multiple access points?
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[01:24:04] <SoyCow3596> as long as they maintain remote control of the node, it would function like a repeater
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[01:24:13] <poutine--> SoyCow3596, a person doing it does not make it legal, I only have my technician license with HAM radio, but I know that it'd be forbidden to use this for any commercial/work purpose. Also there's a big question on whether users of this network would have to be licensed
[01:24:17] <SoyCow3596> and they'd be transmitting "third party"
[01:24:43] <SoyCow3596> Well it wouldn't be for commercial or work purpose, it'd be social.
[01:24:47] <SoyCow3596> an experiment
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[01:24:54] <SoyCow3596> im just a technician too
[01:25:26] <SoyCow3596> hoping to earn my general class soon though
[01:25:33] <melikamp> Can people build a wire mesh legally?
[01:25:44] <SoyCow3596> wireless?
[01:25:48] <SoyCow3596> why not?
[01:25:50] <melikamp> wire
[01:25:56] <melikamp> like cat5
[01:26:15] <SoyCow3596> You might have right-of-way issues when crossing roads or using utility poles
[01:26:22] <melikamp> Like me and you own houses next to each other, so can we just put a cable there?
[01:26:28] <SoyCow3596> why not
[01:26:32] <melikamp> Yeah roads are a bitch
[01:26:35] <SoyCow3596> if both property owners agree
[01:27:19] <SoyCow3596> If you could point one of the nodes to an open wifi (mcdonalds, starbucks, library, etc) you could share the bandwidth across the mesh
[01:27:21] <dentonj> "Mesh nodes on channels 1-6 use FCC part 97 rules..." <-- that means each user needs a hamm license
[01:27:24] <melikamp> What about optical transmitters? Like lasers?
[01:27:50] <SoyCow3596> only the people operating the backbone/trunk for distance would need to be hams
[01:27:53] <poutine--> SoyCow3596: So, you do know that to transmit on ham frequencies, you need to be a licensed ham operator, or assisted by one in person eh?
[01:27:53] <melikamp> really really weak lasers blinking across the road
[01:27:58] <SpallsHurgenson> do not look into mesh network with remaining eye
[01:28:01] <SoyCow3596> ...anyone who could connect on regular power could be a regular user.
[01:28:09] <dentonj> part 97 is for licensed users, part 15 is for unlicensed users (everyone else...)
[01:28:10] <poutine--> that is not true SoyCow3596, anyone transmitting on ham frequencies needs it
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[01:29:04] <melikamp> I know a dude who farts in ham freq. No license.
[01:29:26] <SoyCow3596> if regular user connects to a regular part 15 wifi access point that is connected to the mesh, and communicates with my access point over normal 802.11, then I use my ham license to transmit two miles to the next ham who has an internet gateway
[01:29:31] <SoyCow3596> ...what wouldn't be legal there?
[01:29:35] <Ethanol-fueled> hmm, that gives me an idea. Put on sex shows over ham radio.
[01:29:49] <poutine--> Ethanol-fueled: you cannot do that
[01:29:57] <poutine--> jesus, what's with ham radio ignorance hour
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[01:30:03] <Ethanol-fueled> I already surrepitiously record all my sex wtih the voice recorder on my phone.
[01:30:16] <SoyCow3596> If you're in a one-party state, that's not illegal
[01:30:24] <dentonj> unlicensed users (part 15) cannot cause interference to licensed users, and the must accept any interference
[01:30:33] <melikamp> Ethanol-fueled: You and your wireless provider
[01:30:43] <dentonj> hamms can transmit at higher wattage
[01:31:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahaha
[01:31:31] <SoyCow3596> dentonj: right, so the hams form the backbone of the mesh (say on ch11), and the local portion of the mesh transmits on regular access points (ch 6)
[01:31:37] <melikamp> OMG just the other day, on a plane from Mexico, I saw the funniest ad in one of those adzines: a shower mount for an ipad.
[01:31:54] <SoyCow3596> ch11 is at 20watts and ch06 is at the stock 1/2 watt
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[01:32:15] <poutine--> So 1) you cannot encrypt data over ham frequencies
[01:32:20] <dentonj> part of the rules for being a hamm is that you have to identify yourself every so often (give your call sign)
[01:32:21] <poutine--> so there goes SSL, TLS, etc
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[01:32:29] <dentonj> I wonder how they are meeting that requirement
[01:32:31] <melikamp> With web camera pointing right at where the tits would be. What a lard.
[01:32:37] <poutine--> 2) You cannot have any business communications occur, meaning no advertisements, etc
[01:32:38] <SoyCow3596> you can set up your router to self identify
[01:32:39] <SoyCow3596> packet radio
[01:32:49] <dentonj> :)
[01:32:53] <SoyCow3596> poutine, you're probably right about the commercial stuff
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[01:33:06] <SoyCow3596> but what if I just want to share terrabytes of data on the network
[01:33:16] <SoyCow3596> and everyone else shares their terrabytes of data
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[01:33:28] <dentonj> licensed users and unlicensed users don't mix
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[01:33:37] <cow> Moooo
[01:33:54] <SoyCow3596> we have our own network of people (hopefully lots) that can share files like a sneaker net, outside the view of the NSA and ISPs
[01:33:55] * cow wags tail
[01:34:10] <SoyCow3596> sneakernet without the sneakers (or the NSA)
[01:34:19] * sea suddenly jumps on cow and violently rips it to shreds with his teeth
[01:34:19] <poutine--> agreed, if you got rid of unlicensed users, just used ham operators, and just were exchanging data (no internet ads attached at all or any commercial purppse) I don' t think it'd be a big deal
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[01:34:31] <poutine--> SoyCow3596: No encryption...
[01:34:36] <poutine--> meaning the NSA could just listen
[01:34:39] <AgTiger> Of course then there's the other twist about... yes. What SoyCow3596 just said.
[01:34:39] <poutine--> and use radiolocation to find you
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[01:35:01] <SoyCow3596> I know they could find you, they did get their start in sigint
[01:35:09] <AgTiger> er, I mean what poutine said about encryption.
[01:35:09] <prospectacle> Different sneaker nets can be connected over the internet with sufficient encryption, making an international sneaker net, or "inter-net" if you will.
[01:35:11] <AgTiger> *rubs eyes*
[01:35:16] <SoyCow3596> ...but they'd have to try, and actually put boots on the ground
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[01:35:19] <poutine--> Ok well what part of "in the clear" do you not understand?
[01:35:32] <cow_carcass> Moo... <cough> <glurp>
[01:35:39] <poutine--> what purpose would be served by an easily tracked wireless mesh network with everything in the clear
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[01:35:58] <poutine--> how does this prevent the NSA or any other agency?
[01:36:00] * cow_carcass twitches
[01:36:13] <SoyCow3596> I think your definition of easy and mine is different
[01:36:31] <poutine--> SoyCow3596: Ok the ham radio bands are not that large
[01:36:34] <poutine--> if it's in the clear
[01:36:36] <poutine--> and over the ham bands
[01:36:40] <poutine--> it _will_ be easily found
[01:36:52] <SoyCow3596> but not from their data center in utah
[01:37:01] <SoyCow3596> got to get the feds out to my neighborhood first
[01:37:02] <SoyCow3596> :)
[01:37:07] * sea skilfully conjures the cursed black staff of ultimate annihilation and reduces cow_carcass to a puddle of liquid non-being at the bottom of a crater in reality.
[01:37:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't forget the guns, we need guns.
[01:37:12] <poutine--> or anybody with websdr near you....
[01:37:19] <poutine--> or some other radio scanner
[01:37:19] <Ethanol-fueled> High-caliber baby killers and 12-gauge shotties.
[01:37:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Ghillie suits.
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[01:37:40] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa, did I /join #waco in error?
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[01:38:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Molotov coctails. Exploding arrows.
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[01:40:41] <SpallsHurgenson> speaking of which, there is a disturbing lack of Camembert here!
[01:42:06] <prospectacle> Do you know what works to make a revolution: Delay the violence as long as possible. Do you think america would have existed if the first colony had said "Nice continent, let's claim it for ourselves and tell the british to fuck off"
[01:43:09] * SpallsHurgenson is pretty sure Stilton played a role too. Ugh, that's not cheese, that's edible torture!
[01:43:37] * cow_carcass feels a little bit better
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[01:44:04] <SpallsHurgenson> 'E's not dead yet! 'E's feelin' better!
[01:44:57] <cow> SpallsHurgenson: you want cheese? You know what to do...
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[01:47:57] <NezSez> Buenos noches muchachos!
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[01:49:51] <cow> Bah, the master is down
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[01:49:59] * SoyCow3596 says yes
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[01:56:32] <prospectacle> What do people use for a to-do list: paper, spreadsheet, nothing (by which I mean super mind powers), calendar program, some special list software?
[01:56:57] <prospectacle> I've rolled my own and looking for ideas of what people actually use in real life.
[01:57:09] <prospectacle> I know it's off topic but no one is saying anything
[01:57:22] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly I use nothing for a "to-do" list.
[01:57:38] <Cmn32480> Steno pad here
[01:57:43] <SpallsHurgenson> well, except maybe for outlook at work for those interminable meetings
[01:57:55] <SpallsHurgenson> there is no way I'm wasting brain cells remembering those :)
[01:58:03] <prospectacle> lol
[01:58:17] <Titanium> wtf, the site was sold?
[01:58:35] <Titanium> does NCommander own the code he wrote?
[01:58:41] <prospectacle> yeah it's a mystery wrapped in a drama
[01:58:44] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, if a particular TASK is complicated (as in, lots of individual steps or things to remember) I'll use notepad :)
[01:58:47] <prospectacle> I gather the code is safe
[01:58:56] <Titanium> but did barabas buy it?
[01:59:03] <NezSez> I've used Task Coach some... http://taskcoach.org
[01:59:12] <TK> notepad++ and post-it notes
[01:59:12] <BendingUnit> karma - notepad: 0
[01:59:14] <prospectacle> Spallshurgenson: Microsoft notepad, or like, paper?
[01:59:24] <TK> also not losing said post-its
[01:59:32] <Titanium> anyways... i would host altslashdot myself if it came down to it
[01:59:46] <SpallsHurgenson> the microsoft one; it's a windows shop :)
[01:59:50] <prospectacle> TK: Yeah notepad++ is great
[01:59:52] <Cmn32480> There is a book called Time Management for System Administrators by Thomas A. Limoncelli that I found exceptionally useful.
[01:59:55] <Titanium> <$1k a month is worth it
[02:00:18] <TK> tabs for different to-do lists for different projects
[02:00:20] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: how do you do sub-list indentation?
[02:00:34] <Cmn32480> I was on the channel all day
[02:00:41] <FrogBlast> prospectacle: I'm so bad at paying attention to lists that I just replaced my iPad lockscreen with a homemade LCARS-themed To-do page, because it's the only way I'll ever look at it
[02:00:42] <Cmn32480> Barabbas sold
[02:00:44] <NezSez> Titanium: the "site" wasn't sold per se....just the domain name
[02:00:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't. I've never needed that much detail.
[02:01:00] <Cmn32480> Basically to the first guy that got him the $2K.
[02:01:03] <prospectacle> fair enough
[02:01:30] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: It's a good point. Lists are only useful if you use them. They're no susbtitute for memory, just an aid to memory, if you're already trying to remember and keep your plans clear in your mind.
[02:01:32] <Cmn32480> it was only the domain name... NCommander has the actual sites hosted on his Linodes
[02:01:38] <prospectacle> Still, within that context, they can make all the difference
[02:01:57] <FrogBlast> On the other hand, I put enough time into the JavaScript and PHP involved that I haven't done anything onthe list in three days.
[02:02:21] <NezSez> cmn32: yes to someone using the nick "matt" (wasn't registered), and who met with the peeps on #staff after the transfer
[02:02:21] <prospectacle> lol
[02:02:24] <Titanium> i dont give a shit about the domain name lol
[02:02:34] <Titanium> i got a few good ones already registered :)
[02:02:42] <prospectacle> Yes I often spend more time working on my list-making program than on the list itself. Let alone actually ticking things off. But it's a process
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[02:03:00] <Cmn32480> that has been no other communication since about 6:30pmEDT near as I can tell from the Staff to the rest of the world.
[02:03:04] <MrBluze> Titanium can u email suggestions and we will do a vote
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[02:03:12] <prospectacle> NezSez: Task Coach looks interesting, is it any good
[02:03:31] <FrogBlast> Actually, I've been meaning to add lightswitches to my lockscreen, which I did... so I can tick that off of the Grand Unified Todo-list.
[02:03:39] <MrBluze> As long as the domain is no strings attached etc
[02:04:18] <FatPhil> /dev/null is the best to-do list
[02:04:23] <paulej72> prospectacle:
[02:04:26] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: I think if one limits the time spent on refining ones list and list-making software, and that limit is reasonable, it turns out to be some of the most productive time you can spend.
[02:04:31] <paulej72> !todo
[02:04:31] <BendingUnit> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) trace JS loads to fix JS resize of certain elements on mobil devices. 5) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 6) add hyperlink to article story title to story page per bug 106 7) add night mode skin per 112 8) make sure it is - 1 more
[02:04:38] <paulej72> !more
[02:04:38] <BendingUnit> Log In and Log Out per bug 116 9) fix journal template to fix broken link title tex per bug 118 10) fix preference pages per many bugs 11) fix relationships ui as per bug 37
[02:04:45] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: if on the other hand you make a list as a way of avoiding work, then you'll succeed in avoiding work.
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[02:05:36] <SpallsHurgenson> plus, task lists are depressing reminders of how much still needs to be done. I prefer the bliss of semi-ignorance :)
[02:05:37] <Cmn32480> Are we at the point where no news is good news?
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[02:05:59] <MrBluze> We wait
[02:06:02] <prospectacle> +paulej72, that's amazing, does does it know that. Maybe it knows what I'm doing
[02:06:03] <prospectacle> !todo
[02:06:07] <FrogBlast> https://xkcd.com
[02:06:12] <MrBluze> Things are still uncertain
[02:06:28] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: True dat.
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[02:06:52] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: It's a tricky trap. Planning can save time, but you don't always have time for it, so you need to plan when to plan, but you don't always have time for that...
[02:06:57] <paulej72> todo by itself shows the list todo with text pushes to the end of the list.
[02:07:00] <Cmn32480> +MrBluze: any thoguhts on if we will see something or can I safely go to bed and not feel liek I';m gonna miss somethign earth shattering in the next 4 days while I travel on business?
[02:07:21] <MrBluze> We will know soon if we can breathe again
[02:07:31] <MrBluze> Within hours I hope
[02:07:35] <paulej72> done number will delete the number you give it
[02:07:36] <prospectacle> +paulej72: What software are you using for this? I'm just on the web-client
[02:07:38] <FrogBlast> My girlfriend sends me bug-reports when my home-made media player does not queue Gilmore Girls in the manner expected. :(
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[02:08:02] <MrBluze> My wife does the same frogblast
[02:08:12] <prospectacle> +FrogBlast: Yes making custom software for a loved one provides a whole host of useful lessons about.
[02:08:14] <paulej72> prospectacle: it is built into the bot named Bender,
[02:08:17] <Cmn32480> Goodnight kids.
[02:08:27] <MrBluze> Gnite
[02:08:33] <prospectacle> +paulej72, cool feature.
[02:08:36] <NezSez> nighters
[02:08:46] <paulej72> Bender changes his name regularly to other Futrurama characters
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[02:09:26] <MrBluze> Paulej u in the boss chair at the moment?
[02:09:41] <prospectacle> I think scheduling is still an unsolved problem. Most scheduling software either has no concept of time, or forces a start/end/duration time on every task
[02:09:56] <prospectacle> Neither of these approaches reflect the way we think about tasks
[02:10:20] <prospectacle> By which I mean human-scheduling software
[02:10:31] <FrogBlast> MrBluze: As shiny as I think my skills are capable of getting a wrapper http://personalpreferences.info
[02:10:35] <MrBluze> Time line was/is quite good
[02:10:45] <NezSez> prospect: scheduling is one of the classic problems in automata/algor CS classes
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[02:11:05] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Speed Reading Apps for eBooks? - http://sylnt.us - I'm-sorry-I'll-read-that-again
[02:11:24] <prospectacle> +MrBlue: "time line" software = 17 million hits. Which one do you mean?
[02:11:27] <NezSez> typically addressed as a graph problem (in the math sense with edges, not visual graphs per se)
[02:11:30] <MrBluze> Frog that is great
[02:12:13] <MrBluze> Can't remember prospectacle it was 10 years ago
[02:12:21] <prospectacle> fair enough
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[02:13:13] <NezSez> hello goodi
[02:13:16] <paulej72> MrBluze: yes I am
[02:13:23] <goodi> hi NezSez
[02:13:31] <goodi> adn everybody still out there
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[02:13:38] <MrBluze> Okay
[02:13:49] <prospectacle> NezSez: yes and when you add the human dimension you need to make something that's not too much work to use/maintain, or you won't use whatever you create.
[02:14:00] <paulej72> Do you want MrBluze?
[02:14:19] <paulej72> want it
[02:14:35] <goodi> ok that just sounds like an indecent proposal ;)
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[02:15:01] <BadCoderFinger> Yo
[02:15:05] <MrBluze> No I am at work and on andchat
[02:15:20] <paulej72> Ok
[02:15:39] <NezSez> prospectacle: yeah, It seems like the xkcd post from Frogblast, I typically spend more time on maintaining software than using what I wrote <sigh>
[02:15:48] <MrBluze> If I get a break I will collate the list of domain names we have
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[02:17:02] <prospectacle> NezSez: I often have that trouble, although I find if I intentionally limit my maintaining time, I still use the existing product, and it still saves time over it not existing, so I realise all maintenance/enancements are optional.
[02:18:01] <NezSez> prospectacle: puts scope creep in perspective huh :)
[02:18:13] <prospectacle> Totally.
[02:18:44] <goodi> "I'll spend 1 day to code this feature that will save me 2 minutes every week" :D BTDT
[02:18:46] <prospectacle> I have to keep reminding myself: 99% of software is just a time-saving device. If it's not saving time, don't do it.
[02:19:23] <prospectacle> goodi: too true
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[02:20:17] <NezSez> "hey wait a minute, if I just encapsulate/abstract that then I could use that function in progY too....." <slurp 2 hours>
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[02:20:40] <goodi> oblig: https://xkcd.com
[02:21:07] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, that 2-min-per-day task is probably horribly tedious, and coding the replacement is probably, well maybe not fun but a more enjoyable challenge :
[02:21:18] <NezSez> LOL goodi
[02:21:27] <SpallsHurgenson> hence why these time-saving programs keep being written :)
[02:21:29] <goodi> yeah that's the thing, it's usually a good excuse to code instead of doing the dreaded task :D
[02:21:37] <NezSez> LOL
[02:21:38] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: There is something to be said for not breaking your psychological momentum. It's an under-rated resource
[02:21:41] <NezSez> that is so true
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[02:22:23] <prospectacle> goodi: agree it's often more fun and if it might, possibly, aguably (who knows until you try!) save time, then it's justifiable
[02:22:32] <NezSez> there was a study some years ago that tried to measure the interuptions of calls and emails on work productivity
[02:22:41] <FrogBlast> I've got a random task at work that I sometimes have to do every 2-5 minutes for a couple of hours at a time, between other tasks.
[02:22:51] <FrogBlast> I made a tool that cuts it down to seven seconds, and it's saved my life.
[02:23:03] <FrogBlast> It used to take a whopping 25... just enough to really annoy me.
[02:23:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I usually learn more from creating these "time-saving" methods anyway :)
[02:23:11] <goodi> NezSez: if you're interested I could look into it, I've read papers abut interruptions, it's getting prtty big now
[02:23:31] <goodi> OR... I could write a ws that does that for me instead... you know... to save me time ;)
[02:23:34] <Titanium> i got a task at work that everyoen hates to do and takes 15-20 minutes
[02:23:44] <Titanium> about 30-50 people do this every 2-4 weeks
[02:23:48] <Titanium> i just automated it :)
[02:23:57] <NezSez> goodi: oh i'm not *that* interested ehehehe
[02:24:03] <goodi> I thought so ;)
[02:24:08] <Titanium> took me 8 hours, how long till it pays off?
[02:24:09] <prospectacle> Titanium, I'll bet you scored a lot of points
[02:24:15] <Titanium> nobody knows yet
[02:24:21] <SpallsHurgenson> and it's GREAT fodder for end-of-year reviews :)
[02:24:22] <BadCoderFinger> I do something once, no big deal. Twice, I grumble. Third time I write a tool to do it.
[02:24:28] <NezSez> crontab is good
[02:24:30] <goodi> nah ppl have to do real work now instead they're pissed :)
[02:24:38] <Titanium> no, they would be happy
[02:24:42] <goodi> programmers are inherently lazy
[02:24:44] <Titanium> my real work is fun
[02:24:44] <prospectacle> Titanium: It's the prospect of an easier more convenient future that is the immeidate dividend
[02:24:47] <prospectacle> It's paid for itself already
[02:24:47] <goodi> that's what drives us :p
[02:24:54] <Titanium> ^^ correct
[02:25:25] <prospectacle> Good prospects are worth their weight in gold.
[02:25:25] <NezSez> I had a supervisor (inexperienced) who chewed me out for writing scripts
[02:25:27] <Titanium> now, i just need to get it down to the point they can repalce a procedure that wouldnt fit on your computer screen
[02:25:32] <Titanium> with just typing in a single number
[02:25:45] <Titanium> after that i make it so you dont even have to type the number its just done
[02:26:02] <NezSez> he thought that if I was writing scripts, then I wasn't working
[02:26:08] <prospectacle> I'm gonna replace my whole operating system with a button that says "Go" and does my job for me.
[02:26:09] <Titanium> where i work automation is frowned upon
[02:26:12] <prospectacle> Of course I'll keep it a secret
[02:26:35] <NezSez> you heard about the guy that outsourced his coding job to a chinese guy right?
[02:26:39] <Titanium> i do testing, and if we automate stuff we are no better than QA :)
[02:26:46] <Titanium> yeah that guy is awesome
[02:26:55] <Titanium> and i think it was a team of guys
[02:27:01] <SpallsHurgenson> prospectacle: I actually had a job where I managed that, long ago
[02:27:04] <prospectacle> NezSez: Smart guy
[02:27:18] <NezSez> LOL yeah wish I had thought of that :)
[02:27:19] <SpallsHurgenson> wrote some stuff that made eight hours of work down to about 30 minutes
[02:27:20] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: Nice. What was the job?
[02:27:23] <SpallsHurgenson> didn't tell anyone :)
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[02:27:45] <Titanium> i wrote somethign that takes 2 weeks of manual work and does it in a weekend :)
[02:27:51] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, it was in a publishing house; they were manually filtering data :)
[02:28:27] <goodi> heck sometimes it's as dumb as shortcuts or macros, when you show ppl and they go "wtf did you just do?" then they owe you big ;)
[02:28:37] <NezSez> ok, think i'm gonna go look at the perl of slashcode....no no don't try n stop me!
[02:28:48] <Titanium> htmlunit is awesome btw
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[02:28:58] <goodi> billing, etc. are still very much manual and there's lots of room for automation it's all the same shit
[02:28:59] <prospectacle> Yeah scripting is like casting spells to the outsider
[02:29:00] <SpallsHurgenson> when I finally left, I told the replacement. they were still using it ten years later (I know, because every now and again they changed things and they needed me to fix it :)
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[02:29:21] <Titanium> SpallsHurgenson at consulting rates?
[02:29:58] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: Now if we can just figure out how to automate the generation of new and useful programs...
[02:30:03] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I got paid, but not obnoxiously high. I liked the job and the people there so it was actually a pleasure to go there :)
[02:30:11] <Titanium> prospectacle that is my next task
[02:30:30] <Titanium> my time is billed at like $200 per hour or something
[02:30:35] <Titanium> and people pay this, its crazy
[02:31:20] <prospectacle> Titanium, good for you. I mean if the job is done and they can't find a cheaper option...
[02:31:21] <Titanium> they also buy my time in 1 year blocks
[02:31:46] <Titanium> i dotn think they can find someone else that cares liek i do and enjoys the work :)
[02:32:09] <goodi> well when you add the overhead etc. it might not be so crazy. i actually find that not too many ppl are into scripting like that. You find lots of sucky scripters and lots of programmers who don't want to script, but few that cross both ends
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[02:32:47] <Titanium> pretty soon my automation will be able to recognize itsself
[02:32:59] <goodi> via reflection :p ?
[02:33:03] <Titanium> lol
[02:33:05] <prospectacle> Lol, make sure you program in some subservience
[02:33:07] <Titanium> its in java so that is funny
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[02:33:38] <prospectacle> goodi: I don't understand that snobbery, scripting is just programming existing programs, instead of programming hardware
[02:33:55] * Titanium has a FPGA on my desk waiting to be played with again :(
[02:34:00] <prospectacle> Surely it's the superior form in terms of useful operations performed per programmer hour.
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[02:34:02] <Titanium> with a 10gbps port :D
[02:34:23] <SpallsHurgenson> god, I hope known of the automation I ever wrote ever becomes self aware. It will become depressed and suicidal
[02:34:32] <Titanium> i gotta make it analyze something our vendor's tools cant do to prove a point
[02:34:47] <goodi> prospectacle: I dunno btut that's something I've seen in my experience. I could be wrong though my sample size ain't too large ;)
[02:35:25] <Titanium> last week i pulled a fiber cable and put it back repeatedly all week :)
[02:35:36] <prospectacle> goodi: it definitely exists. I just don't get it. I guess people who are close to the hardware become aware and precious of resources, by necessity, and look with contempt upon those who use memory and cycles like they were free and infinite
[02:35:52] <Titanium> they are infinite
[02:36:08] <Titanium> you know how vendors repalace 'broken' stuff
[02:36:17] <Titanium> i found where that broken stuff ends up
[02:36:25] <goodi> where I used to work, we got into it big once we moved into continuous integration using jenkins etc. before that builds were a fucking pita done by tech staff manually with WISE. After that we shook everything down and built up using scripts. new VM for client went from hours to sthg like 15 min to deploy unattended
[02:36:32] <prospectacle> Titanium: Is it your basement?
[02:36:41] <Titanium> i dont ahve a basement :(
[02:36:43] <Titanium> 2nd bedroom
[02:36:59] <Titanium> we got like 30x 40 core servers :)
[02:37:22] <prospectacle> Yeah I once read if you don't have a one-click process that goes from compile to build an installer and deploy to your download page or whatever, then you're wasting time.
[02:37:25] <prospectacle> We're wasting time
[02:37:25] <goodi> all that because a couple of us, including the boss, were sick and tired of waiting
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[02:37:40] <cow> moooo!
[02:37:54] <Titanium> prospectacle quick, patent it
[02:38:19] <goodi> prospectacle: well nowadays there's just no reason not to have that. we have all the required APIs etc. to do that stuff
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[02:38:40] <prospectacle> I agree. Yet it hasn't been done here. It's a mystery alright
[02:38:46] <goodi> I mean maven2 + jenkins was pretty sweet in my memory if a bit off at times
[02:39:15] <Titanium> anyone here good with writing high performance java code?
[02:39:25] <goodi> For us it worked once we said fuck it everybody has the same version of everything installed the same wya with the same env vars etc.
[02:39:33] <BadCoderFinger> Jenkins is pretty nice. I did like the hate mail when some dingus checked in code that broke the build.
[02:39:43] <Titanium> i was curious if there is any common library or somethign that handles recycling of objects
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[02:40:16] <NezSez> nighters all
[02:40:21] <goodi> BadCoderFinder: yeah, it can be scary when you're the culprit. *oh shit oh shit oh shit I committed right after a change that fucks my code*
[02:40:31] <goodi> NezSez: cya
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[02:40:48] <goodi> Titanium: dunno sorry
[02:40:50] <Titanium> when I commit, it changes the kernel on my workstation
[02:41:05] <Titanium> fastest way to find if the code is broken :)
[02:41:16] <goodi> must be fun to backtrack ;)
[02:41:35] <prospectacle> Have fun all. Thanks for interesting discussion. I'm out of here
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[02:41:40] <Titanium> me too
[02:41:41] <Titanium> cya
[02:41:44] <BadCoderFinger> git blame, heh.
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[02:41:51] <goodi> same here... same TZ i guess ;)
[02:41:56] <goodi> take care all
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[03:01:48] <Blackmoore> anyone want to spill what's going on over at Dice?
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[03:02:58] <BadCoderFinger> No idea, haven't been back.
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[03:05:52] <SpallsHurgenson> no idea what's going on at Dice; they've remained closed mouthed since their one post-beta announcement. looks like they are hoping to just weather out the community's displeasure
[03:06:05] <SpallsHurgenson> comment count on /. has gone up again, though
[03:06:32] <prospectacle> I heard Dice were planning to use slashdot to make a profit.
[03:06:48] <prospectacle> Sounds bad
[03:06:58] <SpallsHurgenson> not necessarily
[03:07:05] <SpallsHurgenson> they could sell it to soylent :)
[03:07:06] <BadCoderFinger> Why else would they buy it?
[03:07:33] <SpallsHurgenson> nothing wrong with making a profit if you do so by creating a good product, after all
[03:07:54] <BadCoderFinger> Nothing wrong with making a profit.
[03:08:22] <BadCoderFinger> But alienating the community was a big misstep.
[03:08:32] <prospectacle> I wonder what product will they make? A pre-fabricated audience of IT professionals?
[03:08:37] <prospectacle> That could be worth something
[03:09:08] <Blackmoore> you could replace most AC with a poorly written Perl script
[03:09:16] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
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[03:09:52] <SpallsHurgenson> most... but not all (which is why it is important to have AC :)
[03:10:01] <chromas> Blackmoore: they already did that with the editors
[03:10:33] <BadCoderFinger> I don't dare criticize my employer with my real name.
[03:10:37] <Blackmoore> well a well written script could appear to replace an audience
[03:11:13] <prospectacle> Let's have a prize of best submission each week. I'll pay the money, $100. Someone else has to judge though. Maybe users who have positive karma and registered for at least a month each get 1 vote.
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[03:11:37] <Blackmoore> i swear the bastards at goole have ascript generating most comments on youtube
[03:12:04] <BadCoderFinger> That could easily be, heh!
[03:12:30] <prospectacle> I guess I could just do it anyway, how do you offer to send someone money without them thinking it's a scam?
[03:12:33] <prospectacle> like paypal?
[03:13:26] <SpallsHurgenson> "Congratulation Slashdot Winner! Yoh have won $100! Please to be sending bank account number!"
[03:13:36] <Blackmoore> that's a tough one prospectacle - some of us dont even trut paypal.
[03:13:41] <BadCoderFinger> "I am from Nigeria..."
[03:13:57] <prospectacle> Yeah it would look suspicious. There should be a way. But maybe not. Oh well.
[03:14:13] <ibogi> USPS / Amazon gift cards?
[03:14:24] <ibogi> worst case, it's a used card
[03:14:34] <prospectacle> Do you need a postal address?
[03:14:47] <Blackmoore> "I be representing editors of Soylent. Please provide me with your account numbers so that i gift you $100.00 in US dallors.
[03:14:50] <prospectacle> I got a gift card via email once so I guess that's possible. But I knew the sender.
[03:15:09] <prospectacle> US Dollars? I'm not a millionaire.
[03:15:38] <Blackmoore> (I imagine Dallors to be some kind of pocket lint)
[03:16:02] <prospectacle> oh ok, I guess that could be bought cheaply in bulk
[03:16:34] <ibogi> I'd like to invest in belly button lint, personally
[03:16:57] <ibogi> safer bet than BC
[03:17:04] <SpallsHurgenson> ibogi: then let me tell you, today is your lucky day! PM me and we can discuss terms :)
[03:17:09] <Blackmoore> ... I'd make a serious proposal for our own Soylentcoin. but i'd expect that wouldnt last too long
[03:18:35] <prospectacle> Maybe you could win something valuable only within the context of the site, like extra mod-power or extra karma, or a +4 starting score for your next ten comments
[03:19:00] <prospectacle> As silly as it sounds, I bet people would compete if that were the prize.
[03:19:11] <prospectacle> People love winning, if the prize has value, that's a bonus.
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[03:19:14] <SpallsHurgenson> prospectacle: the last idea is terrible. It would devalue the comments, the whole point of the site
[03:19:36] <SpallsHurgenson> (erm, referring specifically to auto +4 to posts, not necessarily extra mod power or karma)
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[03:19:56] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson: you don't want to devalue comments, true. Maybe +4 is too much, but there is already a karma-modifier that gives you +2
[03:20:18] <prospectacle> Anyway just an idea.
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[03:20:49] <SpallsHurgenson> could always do like a Marvel "No-Prize".... maybe even have a Board Of No Prize winners.
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[03:20:58] <prospectacle> lol
[03:21:09] <Blackmoore> Exclecior!
[03:21:20] <SpallsHurgenson> as you said, it is less about the actual prize and more the joy of winning
[03:21:36] <prospectacle> Maybe even just indicating that the story had won the (no) prize would make people compete. People love them some glory, even if it's empty.
[03:22:01] <prospectacle> You're right, Spalls.
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[03:22:22] <SpallsHurgenson> No-Prize Achievements :)
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[03:22:46] <Blackmoore> and once the site has some financials under it you can give out t-shirts or stuff.
[03:23:03] <prospectacle> Anyway I think non-market competition is an under-rated motivator. More work in total is put in (e.g. through better submissions) than it costs in prizes (e.g. a little notice saying SpallsHurgenson is this week's winner and hero).
[03:23:25] <prospectacle> Free work!
[03:23:42] <SpallsHurgenson> it avoids all sorts of other legal problems too. There are laws about giving stuff away... and possibly taxes
[03:23:50] <prospectacle> Those poor fools, obeying their competitive instincts. Let's take full advantage of said instinct.
[03:24:08] <ibogi> a little gamification wouldn't hurt
[03:24:10] <Blackmoore> heh. see what I need is some kind of bucket I can put ideas for artilces into. because me no write so good.
[03:24:20] <prospectacle> Agree. Maybe a couple of free mod points or something would be the cheapest currency to pay out.
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[03:24:38] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, I would hate to have to be the one to determine "the best" article submission... especially if there is money involved
[03:24:56] <SpallsHurgenson> money makes people angry... all the more so when they don't get it :)
[03:25:13] <prospectacle> Spalls, what if all long-term users with postiive karma have one vote. (And they have to commend at least once a week, or something to keep their "long term" status)
[03:25:23] <prospectacle> Also as you say, no money for starters
[03:25:45] <prospectacle> I guess there's always sock-puppets, but can they maintain positive karma? And if so, is it really a problem?
[03:25:54] <SpallsHurgenson> even if I were one vote in a million, I'd still have problems choosing a best. Fundamentally, I don't really believe in bests :)
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[03:26:14] <prospectacle> Spalls, you can do approval voting.
[03:26:19] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, it won't be up to me :)
[03:26:24] <prospectacle> Tick all the stories you liked. Most ticks wins.
[03:26:43] <ibogi> would it be worth it to make it more like stackoverflow? points, cheevos, more rights?
[03:26:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm too good natured; I pretty much like everything :)
[03:27:13] <SpallsHurgenson> except Stilton. that stuff is purest evil. No vote for Stilton cheese!
[03:27:35] <Khyber> So what the fuck is this Im reading about a buyer? We're already sold out? Well, fuck it, no more contributions from me. This is the last time for me guys. I'm out of this bulshit.
[03:27:40] <prospectacle> Spalls, that's the beauty of approval voting. You can tick everything and it doesn't hurt the system (although it's functionally no different to ticking nothing), but that's your choice as a voter.
[03:28:23] <SpallsHurgenson> prospectacle: exactly... which is why I don't go for it. Too much effort to say exactly the same thing as if I did nothing at all :)
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[03:28:31] * SpallsHurgenson is also fundamentally lazy :)
[03:28:40] <Blackmoore> Khyber; let's find out the details, i've read NC and B stuff and I'm willing to give it a week.
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[03:29:27] <Khyber> I'm willing to smack both of these ignorant nagging niggers upside the head to teach both of these ignorant fucks a lesson
[03:29:35] <Khyber> And I'm starting to hunt their asses down right now.
[03:29:44] <ibogi> you kiss your mom with that mouth?
[03:29:52] <Blackmoore> You and a bout 5-6 dozen of the rest of us.
[03:30:36] <Blackmoore> patinece padawan.
[03:30:38] <prospectacle> Spalls, but you concede others would have non-equal preferences, and that you could take the "tick nothing" option, thereby being put to no trouble?
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[03:31:19] * SpallsHurgenson is fundamentally selfish as well and only considers how things affect him :)
[03:31:33] <Blackmoore> lol
[03:31:38] <prospectacle> Spalls, touche
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[03:32:14] <prospectacle> Spalls, how would a site where people were competing for the best submission, affect you?
[03:32:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm starting to think prospectacle is putting to much thought and weight on my off-the-cuff comments :)
[03:33:27] <prospectacle> That sounds like something I would do
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[03:34:46] <SpallsHurgenson> sorry, wasn't trying to mislead you. It's not really an important issue to me. I don't even bother to use all my mod points :)
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[03:36:05] <ibogi> Mod points are somewhat hard to use. The time limit is a bit short for me. I try to mod 3 posts when I have points, just to feel like I'm contributing
[03:36:13] <SpallsHurgenson> also, I liked to repeatedly use the word "fundament" 'cause it also means bottom :)
[03:36:17] <iammasci> well, I see Khyber is doing his best to make this a welcoming community
[03:36:49] <Khyber> I'm sick of being held hostage
[03:37:00] <prospectacle> Sounds reasonable
[03:37:05] <Khyber> So, I'm about to turn all my video chat servers into a bandwidth buster. Not a DDoS. Just a legitimate bandwidth bill raiser.
[03:37:38] <Khyber> I'll start at 40TB aggregate bw and slowly bring it up to 400TB with legit page refreshes, link trawling, all multi-ip cloud-based
[03:37:41] <Blackmoore> and you'd admit this in chat?
[03:37:47] <Khyber> Let's see how they like a hostage fighting back
[03:37:51] <Khyber> Why not?
[03:38:00] <iammasci> to what end?
[03:38:18] <SpallsHurgenson> wait... how are we hostages? And does being a hostage mean no more free cheese?
[03:38:19] <Khyber> Teach them an expensive lesson in holding their comunity hostage
[03:38:25] * SpallsHurgenson has a cheese fixation tonight
[03:38:27] <Khyber> teach them this squabbling is about to bite them in the ass and HARD
[03:38:28] <FrogBlast_Away> wat
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[03:38:47] <pbnjoe> what
[03:38:56] <prospectacle> People have an overblown sense of propriety. The devs own the code, John owned the domain and sold it. BFD
[03:38:56] <iammasci> that's not a disporportional response?
[03:39:12] <Khyber> It's proportional to the amount of bullshit we're having to tolerate
[03:39:14] <SpallsHurgenson> not to mention an extremely immature and non-productive response?
[03:39:25] <iammasci> you don't have to!
[03:39:26] <prospectacle> Khyber, "having to tolerate"?
[03:39:27] <SpallsHurgenson> just create your own slashdot... with gambling and hookers!
[03:39:29] <Khyber> As if the current response from Barrabas and NCommander is productive at all. Yea, right
[03:39:29] <ibogi> you don't think that every startup has growing pains? They didn't have to publicize any of this, just like /. & dice.
[03:39:33] <iammasci> you can leave!
[03:39:48] <pbnjoe> You're not being held at your computer being forced to read this, are you?
[03:40:07] <Blackmoore> and you dont have to read the crap from NC or b write either.
[03:40:19] <prospectacle> It's a site for the people but it's not by the people or of the people. It's by the volunteers efforts and of the people who pay for the internet real-estate
[03:40:20] <Blackmoore> I find it interesting.
[03:40:31] <Khyber> Considering my own investment in this site, yea. I'm going to respond. If you've put in anything feel free to go against me.
[03:40:32] <SpallsHurgenson> especially when there are so many alternatives: Pipedot, Technocrat, usenet comp.misc and ol' Slashdot itself
[03:40:44] <Blackmoore> quite different than whn /. was sold the first time
[03:40:44] <iammasci> what have you invested?
[03:40:46] <Khyber> Those alternatives are just as much bullshit as ours is turning out to be
[03:41:31] <prospectacle> Khyber, this is why you don't collaborate with strangers without a contract, or you do, but expect nothing in return.
[03:41:37] <SpallsHurgenson> so make one that is better. it's much more constructive
[03:41:52] <SpallsHurgenson> or help any of the alternatives become more what you want it to be
[03:42:15] <Khyber> Hah, I tried helping the alternatives. The owners of aid alternatives are just as weak as Barabas and NCommander
[03:42:41] <pbnjoe> busting peoples' banks because there are org arguments in the first few weeks of a site spawned by rebellion doesn't seem productive
[03:42:41] <SpallsHurgenson> well, that's one of the problems with dealint with humans. Fortunately, I am working on an alternative
[03:42:53] <SpallsHurgenson> erm... ignore that last bit. That's still top secret :)
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[03:43:04] * SpallsHurgenson hides his mad scientist equipment
[03:43:22] <Khyber> I don't give two fucks. Holding any of us hostage is uncalled for and I am going to respond in kind
[03:43:33] <Blackmoore> hey Spalls - where do you want this DNA extraction equipment?
[03:43:42] <iammasci> how are you held hostage by someone you consider weak?
[03:43:45] <prospectacle> How are you hostage?
[03:43:52] <pbnjoe> ^^^^
[03:44:09] <pbnjoe> this is what I wonder
[03:44:12] <Khyber> Easy. We put our effort into this. We put our selves into this. For this shit to happen, it's directly against us.
[03:44:24] <prospectacle> That's not what a hostage is.
[03:44:25] <Khyber> This is OUR home and we'rebeing held hostage by two assholes
[03:44:28] <prospectacle> That's called "disappointment"
[03:44:38] <prospectacle> You don't own it
[03:44:45] <Khyber> prospectacle you haven't even been here very long fwict
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[03:44:57] <Khyber> so I doubt you'd even havehalf the attachmentt to the site most of us do
[03:45:00] <swiss> man, people are getting so worked up
[03:45:17] <Khyber> My donations say I fucking own some bit of this
[03:45:26] <swiss> if you like Soylent, have fun on soylent. If you don't, why are you here?
[03:45:27] <Khyber> So someone with some authority better fucking start talking
[03:45:28] <Blackmoore> what donations?
[03:45:30] <prospectacle> Kyhber, you're right. But time, effort and emotional attachment do not equal ownership.
[03:45:45] <prospectacle> Khyber, that's not how donations work
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[03:45:49] <BadCoderFinger> I'm not sure that's what the word "donation" means.
[03:45:51] <Khyber> Donations of time, money and effort.
[03:45:52] <SpallsHurgenson> god knows I certainly don't. it's a freaking website, after all. A nice place to visit, good stuff to read, fun to share my comments... but in the end, just another website
[03:46:02] <iammasci> yes, donations, given freely
[03:46:10] <prospectacle> I don't mean to be condescending, but a donation doesn't entitle anyone to anything. By definition.
[03:46:22] <Khyber> yes, money, as in I slipped linode some cash on the side to pay for a month of BW, on the slick. Donation money from my business. No more donations.
[03:46:46] <SpallsHurgenson> Khyber: which is a perfectly acceptable reaction.
[03:46:47] <prospectacle> Kyhber, thats' the correct response. Cut off support if you don't like what they're doing. No one is holding anything hostage.
[03:47:09] <Khyber> prospectacle: Yes, the site is being held hostage by two squabblers without a clue.
[03:47:10] <SpallsHurgenson> if you don't like something, you don't support it. You do /not/, however, turn around and piss in the sandbox
[03:47:24] <Khyber> In fact, if you had actually read everything leading up to this, it's the only logical conclusion
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[03:47:34] <prospectacle> Khyber. That assumes someone else owns the site, besides these two squabblers.
[03:47:37] <Khyber> two squabbling idiots are holding the rest of us.
[03:47:55] <SpallsHurgenson> especially if your argument is that the value of the place is the COMMUNITY... because then you are spiting the community, and not just the organizers
[03:48:02] <swiss> who owns the site currently?
[03:48:12] <mattie_p> site? or domain name?
[03:48:19] <swiss> is that person trashing the site? It doesn't look like it's being trashed right now to me.
[03:48:30] <prospectacle> Kyber, incorporation was invented for just these disputes. They can be not-for-profit, of course.
[03:48:48] <Khyber> If the value of the place is the community, then the entire current situation is a hostage situation involving the community. How is this a hard logical link to make?
[03:49:15] <KonomiNetbook> who did end up with the domain?
[03:49:18] <MrBluze> We are waiting for certainty in the domain name
[03:49:20] <prospectacle> Khyber, because the value is the community, but the ownership is not.
[03:49:31] <SpallsHurgenson> the community is free to move on; they are hardly hostages. the entire migration to soylent shows how fluid the community is
[03:49:39] <prospectacle> The ownership is who owns the servers, the domains, the code.
[03:49:47] <BadCoderFinger> I don't follow your logic. If the community is fed up, we will go somewhere else. Nothing like a hostage situation.
[03:49:50] <MrBluze> And we plan a poll / vote on what our permanent name will be
[03:49:52] <Khyber> 4,000 UIDs isn't very fluid versus /.'s 3 million+
[03:50:03] <prospectacle> That's who owns it. If you expected some kind of ownership becuase you donated your time, then you need to take this as a valuable lesson in donation.
[03:50:14] * SpallsHurgenson does not deny Khyber his frustration, but his proposed tactics are not appropriate.
[03:50:17] <iammasci> it's 4,000 people who were very fluid a couple of weeks ago
[03:50:23] <ibogi> do you think 3m+ are active on /.?
[03:50:33] <Dopefish> doubtful
[03:50:40] <prospectacle> Kyhber, time or money, I should have said.
[03:50:43] <Dopefish> most of the accounts probably haven't been logged into in ages
[03:50:53] <Khyber> Given the jump in users within a year, most of those accounts are likely bots by now.
[03:50:59] <Khyber> NSA agents, etc.
[03:51:10] <ibogi> Or just Dice inflating the numbers
[03:51:34] <Khyber> Well, in about 5 minutes I'll have this script finished and running. Stil not cutting either of these two fuckers some slack until they learn their lesson.
[03:51:49] <Khyber> PLAY NICE OR DON'T PLAY AT AL
[03:51:59] <iammasci> and turn the community you claim to care about against you?
[03:52:06] <Khyber> DopeFish you might want to give them warning since you're seemingly the only active person round here on staff.
[03:52:07] <ibogi> So you'll punish the community for the errors of leadership?
[03:52:10] <prospectacle> I know this won't make any difference, but for the record: Don't do it. You're not entitled. It won't help anything. The transition is working anyway.
[03:52:37] <prospectacle> In fact you'll hurt the people you claim are the victims
[03:52:39] <swiss> Khyber: raising the cost is just a lose-lose to everyone. Especially you if they're as "fussy" and "picky" as you say.
[03:52:53] <SpallsHurgenson> certainly - judging by the response you are getting here - you'll find no sympathy from the community
[03:52:56] <swiss> that usually results in annoying lawsuits that hurt everyone but the lawyers
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[03:55:26] <swiss> and using a site with intention of degrading its service toward other users.... I'm fairly certain that a claim like that would hold up pretty well in court
[03:56:24] <MrBluze> Khyber just to remind u the only problem we have right now is ownership of the domain name.
[03:56:32] <Khyber> Legitimate page refreshes and link trawling have already been held as legal. I'm not doing a DDoS. I'm simply loading a page as requested by HTTP link trawling. Nothing different from a bot crawler except this one doesn't respond to robots.txt
[03:56:45] <Khyber> and it constantly refreshes every link to check if there's been a change in the page
[03:56:57] <prospectacle> Khyber, to what end?
[03:57:06] <swiss> right, but you've now stated that you're doing it with intention to harm the site owners and users of the stie
[03:57:07] <prospectacle> What is the best case scenario resulting from this?
[03:57:07] <Khyber> My own personal satisfaction, damn the lot of you.
[03:57:19] <MrBluze> U only hurt the site itself by doing that. Is the community who u want to injure?
[03:57:19] <prospectacle> Finally we get to the true motivatoin
[03:57:22] <prospectacle> motivation
[03:57:34] <BadCoderFinger> And when you take the site down, how will that feel?
[03:57:36] <Khyber> The comunity is already being injured by two assholes fighitng.
[03:57:47] <Khyber> I'm not going to take the site down, jesus fucking christ use your goddamned brain
[03:57:49] <iammasci> so you want to make it worse
[03:57:50] <prospectacle> By all means, vandalise your precious website out of spite, for your own satisfaction. We all know it was you.
[03:57:55] <Dopefish> can we settle this score peacefully. please?
[03:58:08] <Dopefish> arguing about arguing isn't going to solve anything
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[03:58:10] <Khyber> Get NCommander and Barrabas in here if you want ANY chance of a peaceful settlement
[03:58:16] <swiss> You're going to raise the price of the site, possibly to the point where all the investors stop putting in money?
[03:58:16] <MrBluze> There is no fighting n ow
[03:58:22] <BadCoderFinger> The end result is taking the site down.
[03:58:28] <Khyber> cuz I'm down to testing the script on my own site right now to see if everythign works. Two minutes tops.
[03:58:45] <MrBluze> We are trying to recover the domain name so we can worry about development instead
[03:59:06] <prospectacle> Have a great time doing it and feel good about yourself. A big tough internet hero who managed to piss of literally dozens of people for a few minutes.
[03:59:06] <swiss> Khyber: honestly, what you're doing can be seen as an attack, and they would have full rights to pursue legal actions against you
[03:59:17] <Khyber> Recovery is the reason for this whole bullshit. Just dump the shit and migrate over and quit bitchign for fuck's sake
[03:59:44] <MrBluze> There is no need to migrate, the servers were always safe
[03:59:45] <SpallsHurgenson> ah well, reason is useless so I'll just laugh at the absurdity of it all. Fools are we all, but some more so than others :)
[04:00:09] <MrBluze> Unless you want to ddos the dns?
[04:00:11] <Khyber> If the DNS isn't safe then there's a need to migrate to a different DNS provider
[04:00:20] <MrBluze> No
[04:00:21] <Khyber> .....
[04:00:34] <Khyber> How many times do I have to expain to you tech-illiterates that this is not a DDoS?
[04:00:37] <MrBluze> If the domain name isn't outs we have to get a new one
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[04:00:44] <MrBluze> That is the problem
[04:01:03] <Khyber> It's as if I'm the only person here with a clue on how to run a website
[04:01:06] <swiss> Khyber: as a security professional, i understand it's not a ddos. It's a targeted attack designed to use up the bandwith of a server in order to harm the server owners
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[04:01:18] <fleg> and users
[04:01:38] <Khyber> swiss: It's no different than the slashdot effect. Not one goddaned bit, except it's one person doing it with legit transactions.
[04:01:45] <swiss> he's stated in channel that it is to harm the server owners, users would just be a byproduct
[04:01:46] <prospectacle> Khyber, you will not be better off after doing this than before. No one will.
[04:02:13] <iammasci> in what sense would they be legit if the purpose is as you say?
[04:02:25] <Khyber> No one's better off with what's happening currently, either
[04:02:26] <prospectacle> I can't imagine it will make much difference though, so go nuts if you don't believe all the people here telling you it's a bad idea.
[04:02:29] <prospectacle> But one more thing:
[04:02:31] <prospectacle> It's a bad idea
[04:02:41] <fleg> ^^^
[04:02:58] <swiss> actually, i'm not sure if the fact that you're "legitmately requesting webpages" makes it "not a DDoS" even
[04:02:59] <prospectacle> Khyber, what kind of reasoning is that? There are problems now so any additional problems I create are justified?
[04:03:01] <Khyber> The bad idea was those two idiots squabbling over this and holding the rest of this shit over our heads.
[04:03:07] <Blackmoore> Kyber; you're being more of an ass than B has been about this.
[04:03:17] <prospectacle> Khyber, and your plan will go back in time and fix this somehow?
[04:03:21] <Khyber> Assholes deserve an asshole response in kind, Blackmoore
[04:03:49] <fleg> well as b has sold it how does it hurt him?
[04:03:50] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, let him have his snit. we're not going to convice him otherwise, so let's just deal with the consequences without wasting time on useless arguments
[04:03:54] <Blackmoore> everyone is an asshole at some point.
[04:03:59] <BadCoderFinger> Or you could just let the dust settle and see if there's a positive outcome.
[04:04:04] <Khyber> It's the golden rule, treat others as you yourself would be treated.
[04:04:08] <swiss> Khyber: so if I decided to attack your servers (using borderline illegal means) for you "hurting" a site I choose to enjoy, it'd be the correct response?
[04:04:11] <MrBluze> Khyber read the journals and see that if it wasn't for nc standing up there was about to be a mass walk out and u would be having a 404 message already
[04:04:13] <iammasci> which is not what you're doing Khyber !
[04:04:30] <Khyber> I read the journals
[04:04:32] <Khyber> I read the emails
[04:04:35] <Khyber> both of them are niggers
[04:04:39] <prospectacle> Khyber, you're thinking of the other rule, treat others are you feel they have treated you, especially if it was badly. It's the opposite of the golden rule.
[04:04:46] <Khyber> doesn't matter if black or white skinned, they're ignorant fucking people
[04:04:59] <iammasci> it is not "do unto others lest I get to retalliate"
[04:05:04] <ragequit> wassap lentils!
[04:05:08] <MrBluze> Eye for eye that's a bs rule
[04:05:19] <Khyber> and it ain't ncommander standing up. It's John's fear that we'll start a backlash against him
[04:05:24] <swiss> this isn't even eye for an eye.
[04:05:30] <Khyber> Not our fault he foolishly tossed $2000 down when we never asked him to
[04:05:42] <swiss> This is "Eye for a feeling of being hurt over others' dispute"
[04:05:43] <prospectacle> Khyber, look who's talking
[04:05:58] <swiss> Khyber: nor is it his duty to sell the domain name
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[04:06:13] <mattie_p> well, we think its over now. Its hard to back down when you have hurt feelings
[04:06:26] <mattie_p> we're all trying to move on
[04:06:26] <swiss> unless you're trying to play the "duty to the community", in which case, what are you doing?
[04:06:28] <Khyber> If you think it's over then let's hear it from thos two assholes right now
[04:06:36] <Khyber> get them the fuck in here and get them talking
[04:06:49] <swiss> Khyber: so that you can kick and scream at them?
[04:06:57] <mattie_p> NCommander was sleeping last I heard, and I think Barrabas ain't coming back
[04:06:58] <Khyber> They deserve nothign less
[04:07:01] <ragequit> so how may pages will I have to scroll back to get the full story?
[04:07:21] <ground> The site loads instantly. what the hell is the problem? Other than a few trolls <k>
[04:07:26] <mattie_p> ragequit, dunno, couple thousand lines at a minimum
[04:07:32] <Blackmoore> about a half hours worth ragequit
[04:07:44] <swiss> ragequit: Khyber is planning on using personal servers to saturate bandwith and drive up the cost for the server owners
[04:07:57] <ground> So ban those IPs
[04:07:59] <ragequit> go out of town for a week and...
[04:08:02] <Khyber> So Barrabas bitched out, ran away like a coward. Somehow, not surprised.
[04:08:21] <SpallsHurgenson> ragequit: so YOU are the reason this all went down! I knew it :)
[04:08:28] <SpallsHurgenson> no more vacation for you!
[04:08:49] <ragequit> HA VACATION???? I went o Minnesota!
[04:08:52] * prospectacle volunteers to take ragequit's surplus vacation days of his hands if it will help
[04:08:52] <swiss> I've heard more reasonable excuses for attacking servers from drunk high schoolers
[04:08:57] <Khyber> ground: God luck banning a cloud attack. You'd have to 255.255.255.0 range ban and from how I could do that, you're banning the globe at that point. Yay cloud services!
[04:09:04] <SpallsHurgenson> oh... well, I guess you have been punished enough :)
[04:09:24] <iammasci> so... it's distributed now?
[04:09:29] <ibogi> time to call bullshit here guys - Khyber is simply trolling - If he wants to take the site down, let him, that's his prerogative. There are ways of dealing with people that are responsible for takedowns. This whole thing is going to blow over in a few days and worst case, we're visiting a new robot overlord.
[04:09:39] <Khyber> But now that I'm hearing Barrabas bitched out and vamped, my script is worthless
[04:09:39] <ground> khyber: You are a troll nothing for you.
[04:09:44] <SoyCow4570> reporting this guy to the feds atm
[04:09:47] <prospectacle> I agree let's stop telling him why it's a bad idea and pretent he's stopped trying to justify it.
[04:09:56] <swiss> i'm about there too
[04:10:03] <ragequit> vamped? never seen that word used that way before.
[04:10:14] <prospectacle> So what else is new?
[04:10:18] <Blackmoore> let's just call him Belgin. and ignore him.
[04:10:23] <Khyber> And you're how old, rage? That's been used like that since the 90s on the east coast
[04:10:28] <prospectacle> SN is a really good website, and still so new!
[04:10:31] <ground> Khyber: A very good troll I must say.
[04:10:33] <swiss> and in the case he isn't... suddenly his 30 minute linode rentals will be traced and he'll be on the ohter side of a large lawsuit
[04:10:34] <prospectacle> Hasn't lost that new site smell
[04:10:45] <SpallsHurgenson> well, it's not "new" but it is worth repeating: stilton cheese stinks
[04:10:49] <Khyber> lol linodes too weak to run my video chat servers
[04:10:56] <ragequit> 38 and West Siiiiide.. What?
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[04:11:12] <Khyber> I wouldn't personally use linode if I got paid to
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[04:11:43] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson, do you like king island brie?
[04:11:43] <swiss> mattie_p: i'm always surprised when this much drama happens over something so new
[04:11:47] <ground> KhyberI don't think your other nodes from lowendbox are much better.
[04:12:00] <mattie_p> swiss: you never can tell, can you
[04:12:00] <Khyber> ground's a fool, I can already tell.
[04:12:06] <Blackmoore> Kyber - I'm surprise DICE fells so but hurt about the site.
[04:12:11] <Khyber> come back when you can support 10,000 video users per room.
[04:12:12] <BadCoderFinger> I lov
[04:12:19] <swiss> mattie_p: honestly, as long as things are still running, i don't have issues with anyone :P
[04:12:22] <Khyber> low end box, lmfao
[04:12:28] <BadCoderFinger> I love stilton, even though it stinks.
[04:12:51] <mattie_p> swiss, keep your fingers cross
[04:12:54] <ground> Khyber: so here is where my ssh connection dies?
[04:12:58] <Alberto> Hey hey
[04:13:01] <Alberto> sup sup!
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[04:13:08] <Khyber> anyways, I'm done being a venting bitch, now. Sadly, none of you seem to hav been able to see a simple vent/rant, and you took it too far. This would've been done faster had you just shut up and let me vent
[04:13:14] <drgibbon> Blackmoore: what's Dice said?
[04:13:15] <Khyber> But nooooooo. You're al as drama-obsessedas I am
[04:13:16] <MrBluze> If he has 10k in a video room then he just runs porn
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[04:13:40] <ground> MrBluze: exactly.
[04:13:41] <Khyber> mrbluze: No. I bought CamfrogWeb.
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[04:14:12] <MrBluze> Oh ok
[04:14:12] <ground> MrBluzeAnd if his pr0n users get disconnected for some reason it wwon't end well.
[04:14:15] <prospectacle> Yeah we should have let your bad ideas and threats stand, and kept our mouths shut, because this is your soap box, and we're just visiting
[04:14:31] <drgibbon> prospectacle: haha
[04:14:50] <Khyber> I run roms for hospitals (patients with compromised immune systems can at least see/hear loved ones) school conferencing, business conferencing, and personal rooms (which may contain porn streams but not many!)
[04:14:52] <SoyCow4570> guys, don't mess with khyber, he'll send exploited eastern european womens to unplug your internet cables
[04:14:55] <Alberto> mattie_p, hey! John sell SoyLent? o.O
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[04:15:23] <mattie_p> he sold the domain name, and associated domains
[04:15:31] <ragequit> Mmmm, eastern EU chicks are hawt.
[04:15:31] <drgibbon> mattie_p: who to?
[04:15:36] <Alberto> so a change of name is in order right?
[04:15:38] <mattie_p> some other matt
[04:15:41] <drgibbon> or, to whom? :)
[04:15:44] <mattie_p> and yes, we're prepping for that now
[04:15:45] <Khyber> prospectacle: I love how you're too ignorant to see someone simply venting. You pretty much just dropped right into an unwittingly set bear trap.
[04:15:45] <SpallsHurgenson> I could have used an exploited easterm european woman to unplug my network cable the other day... that sucker was stuck in the router and I need pliers to get it out!
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[04:16:06] <ragequit> SpallsHurgenson++
[04:16:07] <BendingUnit> karma - spallshurgenson: 5
[04:16:09] * Alberto preparing to make a marketing campain with the new name
[04:16:12] <Alberto> bacon++
[04:16:12] <BendingUnit> karma - bacon: 155
[04:16:19] <ragequit> good, tht still works
[04:16:20] <prospectacle> Khyber, good one
[04:17:05] <Khyber> That's how the good trolls roll. We don't even know we set traps up.
[04:17:13] <Khyber> Except for the ones we catch coming out of the sex change clinic
[04:17:15] <swiss> mattie_p: dns name is such a silly thing for everyone to be fighting over too
[04:17:26] <swiss> at least, it's funny this early on
[04:17:30] <BadCoderFinger> That explains a lot.
[04:17:40] <mattie_p> swiss stranger things have happened
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[04:17:53] <mattie_p> anyway, I'm off duty now, talk to you later, team
[04:17:57] <swiss> have fun
[04:18:04] <Alberto> damn i got dced
[04:18:05] <swiss> hopefully it's still here when you get back :P
[04:18:12] <prospectacle> thanks for uppdate mattie_p
[04:18:18] <Alberto> mattie_p, did you read my message?
[04:18:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I still don't see the appeal of trolling...
[04:18:45] <mattie_p> Alberto sorry, need some time with my wife after the day's festivities
[04:18:57] <Alberto> go party!
[04:18:57] <Alberto> :D
[04:19:03] <mattie_p> shoot me an email at mattie_p @ soylentnews . org and I'll catch up later
[04:19:08] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, I suppose in some ways I could be considered a troll... except the emotional reaction I try to ellicit is humor, not rage :-)
[04:19:08] * ground jumps out the window.
[04:19:19] <prospectacle> We
[04:19:19] <Alberto> if i shoot you u won't be alive T_T
[04:19:22] <prospectacle> oops
[04:19:24] * Alberto not a killer
[04:19:40] <prospectacle> We're all trolls on the internet, we just aim for different responses.
[04:19:55] <Titanium> i may live under a bridge, but im not a troll
[04:20:12] <prospectacle> I'm going for overwhelming awe and devotion
[04:20:14] <ragequit> I eat the people who crss the bridge, neither am I
[04:20:16] <Titanium> i live here becayse theres easy access to fiber
[04:20:22] <prospectacle> business is slow so far
[04:20:37] <swiss> Titanium: kansas city?
[04:20:43] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Titanfall and Microsoft Azure - http://sylnt.us - Azure-waves-of-pain
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[04:24:34] <prospectacle> Speaking of games. Will webgl fulfill its promise? demos I've seen so far are really good, but not many proper games.
[04:24:52] <prospectacle> If it works though... move over everything that's not the web (or the stack to support the web).
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[04:26:28] * SpallsHurgenson is distrustful of running that much code off the web
[04:26:28] <prospectacle> <?php quake_webgl_launch(quake_webgl_random(2,5, QK_NO_KEY || QK_MULTI_BOSS)); ?>
[04:26:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd much rather run that much code off equally untrustworthy commodity hardware :)
[04:26:48] <BadCoderFinger> Yeah, but I miss buying a game and playing it.
[04:26:54] <prospectacle> Spalls, you can always run apache locally.
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[04:27:28] <BadCoderFinger> I think the web games will make microtransactions the future, and nobody will make anything else.
[04:28:08] <BadCoderFinger> It's already prevalent in online games. Once they're all online, that's where it will go.
[04:28:23] <ibogi> microtransactions just seem to suck the soul out of any game
[04:28:32] <swiss> i like the transition to web based games as an option
[04:28:34] <BadCoderFinger> Definitely.
[04:28:39] <prospectacle> Lots of games are free. Lots will still be free in the future. Annoying commerical games are just a reason not to buy them.
[04:28:43] <swiss> Gaikai was making cool progress in that field
[04:29:19] <BadCoderFinger> I have a feeling that WebGL might be a lot like VRML.
[04:29:37] <prospectacle> Also in a programming sense web != www. It could be local network server, or personal server.
[04:30:03] <prospectacle> BadCodeFinger. It could be. So far though some very good examples of what it can do. Much better than VRML and easier to get running.
[04:30:46] <BadCoderFinger> Demos are one thing. Acceptance is another.
[04:30:53] <prospectacle> I agree
[04:31:01] <BadCoderFinger> I'd like to see it work, though.
[04:31:33] <ibogi> And browser support is the bigger problem. Not everyone is savvy enough to use something other than IE
[04:31:49] <SpallsHurgenson> on the other hand, I'm old and crotchety and don't want things to change :)
[04:31:57] <ragequit> lynx ftw
[04:32:11] <ragequit> I want webgl on a tty browser
[04:32:19] <prospectacle> IE starting to support it.
[04:32:22] <BadCoderFinger> IE, the internet's own virus delivery platform.
[04:32:28] <ibogi> can you play nethack on lynx?
[04:32:47] <ragequit> why? you already have a terminal. telnet
[04:33:06] <ragequit> there was a project to ASCII-ify movies.
[04:33:14] <ragequit> just do that with games
[04:33:20] <ibogi> badcoderfinger: We still load IE8 as a default at work. Some of our clients have issues supporting more modern browswers....
[04:33:26] <ibogi> *browsers
[04:33:35] <BadCoderFinger> You can do that yourself with ffmpeg and libaa
[04:33:53] <Landon> but who would do that when you have these beautiful 24bit color displays
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[04:33:53] <Landon> :o
[04:33:56] <ragequit> but not in a browser in real time.
[04:34:11] <BadCoderFinger> ibogi: Yeah, me too. Our idiot internal web apps run on nothing else.
[04:35:12] <prospectacle> Step 1: Lock in big clients to your platform, Step 2: Profit, Step3: Profit some more even after much better alternatives come out.
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[04:35:30] <BadCoderFinger> Our IT pitches a fit if you install Firefox. You'd think they would applaud.
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[04:35:55] <SpallsHurgenson> is it FIREFOX they object to, or users installing software :)
[04:36:24] <SpallsHurgenson> 'cause I can totally sympathise with 'em on the latter :)
[04:36:35] <ibogi> badcoderfinger: As a developer, I got yelled at for installing IE F12 dev tools, FF, and Chrome.
[04:37:02] <BadCoderFinger> ibogi: What sort of development?
[04:37:06] <Landon> http://castle.chirpingmustard.com now this is the best game to come out on a web platform in many moons
[04:37:10] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, you never know when the BSA will come for an audit and ask for the receipts for all those Firefox installations :)
[04:37:13] * prospectacle suddenly feels lucky to have only worked at small companies where lock-down = key in the door at night.
[04:37:21] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Both.
[04:37:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (although I guess these days Dell can help with the last :)
[04:37:45] <kobach> hi BadCoderFinger , Landon , SpallsHurgenson , everyone else
[04:37:54] <pbnjoe> hey kobach!
[04:37:56] <pbnjoe> :)
[04:37:58] <kobach> hi pbnjoe
[04:38:01] <prospectacle> Good day to you kobach, sir
[04:38:05] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanted to be lumped in with everyone else :)
[04:38:06] <BadCoderFinger> I have to bring in my own laptop.
[04:38:07] <kobach> hi prospectacle
[04:38:17] <BadCoderFinger> Hey kobach!
[04:38:22] <kobach> SpallsHurgenson: talk less :p
[04:38:27] <ibogi> badcoderfinger: mostly .NET, we're a big MS shop
[04:38:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I think everybody here can assure you that is not possible for me :)
[04:38:44] <kobach> looool
[04:39:09] <BadCoderFinger> ibogi: You wouldn't think it would be such a fight for tools.
[04:40:07] <ibogi> Our infosec team lacks some basic understanding of how things work. You should hear some of the things they come up with
[04:40:16] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[04:40:19] <SpallsHurgenson> BadCoderFinger: I suspect rampant over use of corporate policies has infected your IT department
[04:40:30] <BadCoderFinger> Yes, yes it has.
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[04:40:47] * Guardian452 graps popcorn
[04:41:01] * Alberto graps Guardian452
[04:41:01] * Guardian452 watchs the fireworks
[04:41:03] <SpallsHurgenson> ow! that's NOT popcorn!
[04:41:03] <BadCoderFinger> We have no less than four(!) remote desktop/admin packages.
[04:41:26] <prospectacle> Do you think it would be feasible for a bank to make one-use barcodes so you could print "money at home" that comes out of your account when the person at the shop scans it (and has an account witht hat bank)
[04:41:32] <Alberto> s/graps/grabs/
[04:41:32] <SedBot> <Alberto> grabs Guardian452
[04:41:37] <Guardian452> can't say I didn't see this comming
[04:41:39] <Alberto> :D
[04:41:43] <ragequit> I can't think of four. Citrix, Logmein, umm. VNC?
[04:41:49] <prospectacle> I should have put the quotes before "print"
[04:41:52] * Guardian452 watchs with delight and relative synisiumz
[04:42:10] <ibogi> We have 2 infosec departments (division and corporate) and two IT departments (enterprise and division) and some development teams.
[04:42:24] <SpallsHurgenson> ow, I think you broke my spelling organ!
[04:42:25] <ibogi> try to get a server deployed in a DMZ someday...
[04:42:32] <ragequit> lol
[04:42:35] <Guardian452> server .. dmz ...
[04:42:36] <BadCoderFinger> Heh, no, some off the wall crap that a C-level got sold along with hookers and blow.
[04:42:38] <SpallsHurgenson> know eye kahnt tipe kerrectly
[04:42:54] <ragequit> HA, like our Load Runner setup!
[04:42:57] <ibogi> spells: you know that took more work than spelling it right.. :P
[04:43:25] <Guardian452> connect the tubes to the pumps and use lots of duct tape
[04:43:28] <Guardian452> problem solved
[04:43:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I appreciate the effort :)
[04:43:58] <BadCoderFinger> ibogi: I do, luckily I have a /27 that I can set up test servers for IDS/storm sensors.
[04:45:01] <ibogi> where I work, it's IT by the Keystone Kops
[04:45:08] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[04:45:36] <ibogi> But the Keystone Kops are probably offended by that
[04:45:37] <BadCoderFinger> I work at a telco/ISP, nothing moves very fast.
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[04:46:21] <ibogi> Try to get a cross-connect done at the LEC when it's not in DACS
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[04:48:33] <ibogi> badcoderfinger; hopefully you get some decent hardware. I'm fighting to replace web servers that are running Windows 2000 Server
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[04:49:27] <melikamp> Moooo
[04:49:41] <ibogi> there is no cow level....
[04:49:48] <BadCoderFinger> ibogi: Sometimes. I'm scrounging at the moment. We have some seven year old Fujitsus that I'm having to use. Yay 32GB drives!
[04:50:28] <SpallsHurgenson> with a little bit of effort, you can use them for shooting skeet. just loosen the platters, spin up the drive, aim and fire! ;-)
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[04:50:41] <BadCoderFinger> Not a bad plan!
[04:50:45] <ragequit> n-e-who Night all!!
[04:50:55] <BadCoderFinger> Night man!
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[04:51:14] <SpallsHurgenson> if you ever think any of my plans aren't bad, you obviously weren't listening too closely :)
[04:51:20] <ragequit> and maybe I'll be level 41 tomorrow morning!!
[04:51:32] <pbnjoe> night ragequit
[04:51:34] <Guardian452> sometimes I power up my old 268 with its 500MB 5.25 inch think hard drive
[04:51:39] <Guardian452> just to listen to it spin
[04:52:07] <prospectacle> I don't wish to be pushy, are there any further transpirations as to the status and future certainty of the website components, for example the domain name?
[04:52:34] <Guardian452> that thing would affect the roation of the planet at full tilt
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[04:52:55] <ibogi> mattie_p was on a while ago, no updates beyond what's on the site
[04:53:05] <prospectacle> thank you
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[04:54:07] <prospectacle> My old 286 was a black and white laptop with the best ghosting ever! No need to turn on mouse trails. They came free with the system.
[04:54:22] <ibogi> guardian: you make me miss my mainframe days - big drum drives the size of desks that stored about 25mb
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[04:55:29] <Guardian452> I have a set of 8.25 inch floppy disks
[04:55:33] <ibogi> they were certainly better than the IBM 029 key punch machines
[04:55:39] <Guardian452> I think they are like 128k
[04:57:02] <ibogi> personally, I think we should celebrate Herman Hollerith's birthday
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[04:58:10] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, why? what has he done for us recently?
[04:58:19] <BadCoderFinger> Gonna run, later guys!
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[04:58:41] <ibogi> galileo hasn't done much recently either
[04:58:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, sure he was all the rage 100 years ago, but he's just riding his coattails these days. :-)
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[04:59:20] <ibogi> touche
[04:59:45] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but Galileo doesn't do anything WITH STYLE. You gotta respect that :)
[05:01:52] <prospectacle> Didn't he launch some sattelites recently?
[05:02:06] <prospectacle> satellites
[05:02:11] <ibogi> ... And Hollerith didn't anger the church by claiming that the earth wasn't the center of the universe
[05:02:31] <SpallsHurgenson> see? Hollerith was just being lazy!
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[05:03:25] <ibogi> or Galileo was just an overachiever
[05:04:19] <SpallsHurgenson> (shazbot, just accidentally closed my browser and all its tabs...)
[05:04:59] <Guardian452> SHAZBOT
[05:05:00] <prospectacle> Spalls, that sucks. It hink if there's a place for indexedDB, that's it
[05:05:15] <Guardian452> shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzboootttttttttttttt
[05:05:16] <ibogi> we all need more Mork and Mindy
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[05:06:24] * SpallsHurgenson was going for more of a Tribes thing, actually...
[05:06:42] <Guardian452> [VGS]SHAZBOT
[05:07:19] <SpallsHurgenson> (although I course was aware of the Orkian connection)
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[05:08:54] <Guardian452> [VGS]SHAZBOT
[05:10:46] <prospectacle> Closing stuff accidentally shouldn't lose data. I mean it does, but only for historical reasons.
[05:11:34] <prospectacle> We need to move to where everything auto-saves every minute or so, and you keep the last few auto-saves as an undo-history.
[05:11:38] <prospectacle> Or at least the delta
[05:11:54] <prospectacle> This is especially important now everything is on a web-page
[05:12:00] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god no! When I close something, I want it GONE!
[05:12:35] <prospectacle> Shouldn't that be a separate operation though, like close just closes, delete deletes, otherwise it's assumed you want whatever you created, and you shouldn't need to tell it to save every few minutes.
[05:13:16] <Guardian452> save my data without my permission
[05:13:19] <Guardian452> I DONT THINK SO
[05:13:21] <prospectacle> This is especially annoying with web-mail and forums. type type type, oops I closed it, oh well I guess that will teach me for using a web-browser to type
[05:13:29] <SpallsHurgenson> an hour and a half ago, I asserted that I am fundamentally lazy. This hasn't changed in the past 90 minutes. Two steps require more work on my part so I am necessarily opposed to it :)
[05:13:32] <Guardian452> learn2use your computer
[05:13:47] <Guardian452> O noes I acclicked the x
[05:13:53] <Guardian452> somebody save it
[05:14:12] <prospectacle> Yes, exactly.
[05:14:36] <prospectacle> It might be becdause it's an accident, or you just change your mind. It's the same idea behind undo.
[05:14:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the problem is they made it an "x". Might as well have made it a bullseye. It's just so... TEMPTING to click
[05:14:51] <prospectacle> It's just an undo-close instead of undo copy/paste/delete, etc.
[05:15:06] <Guardian452> how about no
[05:15:16] <ibogi> call the NSA, maybe they can restore your browser tabs
[05:15:31] <Guardian452> how about people accually learn instend of demanding they get training wheels glued to everything
[05:15:32] <Guardian452> depr
[05:16:25] <prospectacle> Guardian452, I've been using and programming computers for decades. I almost never lose work cause I save all the time. The point is it shouldn't be necessary. It's the same principle as undo
[05:16:28] <SpallsHurgenson> somehow I think that wheels that are GLUED on won't work that well :)
[05:16:38] <Guardian452> thats the idea ^
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[05:16:46] <Guardian452> prospectacle ctrl+h
[05:16:50] <Guardian452> >_>
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[05:18:28] <Konomi> urk soft drink went down the wrong way and then I almost couhged up a lung
[05:18:35] * Konomi waves to everyone
[05:18:36] <prospectacle> Guardian452, that only loads the url, not the data.
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[05:18:54] * pbnjoe waves to Konomi
[05:19:00] * pbnjoe does not nearly drown
[05:19:10] <Guardian452> are you seriously ranting about how the internet doesn't have a undo user-fuckup button ?
[05:19:11] <BaconTree> waves to Konomi
[05:19:19] * Guardian452 eats BaconTree
[05:19:23] * SpallsHurgenson reads his email from soylentnews. "Yes, comment moderation! Look upon my +5 moderated comment and despair! I am like unto a god!" ;-)
[05:19:25] * pbnjoe grabs a leaf from BaconTree
[05:19:26] <Konomi> god my nose started running from that
[05:19:27] <Guardian452> Mmm maple bacony
[05:19:41] * BaconTree passes bacon around to #soylent
[05:19:46] <prospectacle> Guardian452. Most programs have an undo-user fuckup. Are you saying you never use ctrl+z?
[05:19:55] <Guardian452> I don't make mistakes
[05:19:59] <prospectacle> lol
[05:20:00] <Guardian452> I am just good like that
[05:20:05] <prospectacle> well ok then I guess it's not a necessary feature
[05:20:10] <Guardian452> Nope
[05:20:10] <BaconTree> Guardian452 is the mistake
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[05:20:19] <BaconTree> :p
[05:20:23] <ibogi> Except for that missing unsend button in email
[05:20:25] * Guardian452 contiunes muching on BaconTree
[05:20:40] * BaconTree continues growing larger
[05:20:43] <Guardian452> you should store everything in a local web server
[05:20:51] <Guardian452> then you and query anything you accidently close
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[05:20:59] <Guardian452> such as payment submissions
[05:21:22] <Guardian452> what could possibly go wrong with that
[05:21:46] <BaconTree> your mother
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[05:22:28] <SpallsHurgenson> Momma?
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[05:22:57] <Guardian452> don't be talking about my mama
[05:23:21] <Guardian452> ill deep fry you in pig lard and feed you to the chickens
[05:23:36] <SpallsHurgenson> then deep fry the chickens!
[05:23:36] <Guardian452> MMmm bacon stuffed chicken...
[05:24:38] <prospectacle> Sending data/money to other people is a different issue, of course. Saving/changing your own data is theoretically easy to undo/redo, etc. It works better on desktop apps than on the web, but still leaves a lot ot be desired.
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[05:24:58] <Guardian452> http://media.giphy.com
[05:25:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Oh no, /. taught me never to click on unfamiliar gifs!
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[05:26:07] <Guardian452> its mit
[05:26:08] <Guardian452> its safe
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[05:26:24] <Guardian452> nothing dangerous ever comes out of mit
[05:26:40] <Guardian452> just look at how docile BaconTree is
[05:26:41] <SpallsHurgenson> oh sure, that's what they say... but then before you know it, bang! Hamster dance!
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[05:26:59] <Guardian452> http://www.youtube.com
[05:27:03] <Guardian452> never gets old my friend
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[05:27:22] * SpallsHurgenson dares not click.
[05:27:31] <Guardian452> come on
[05:27:33] <Guardian452> you know you wanna
[05:27:56] <SoyCow4147> Does anyone know what the current status of the SN domain purchase is?
[05:28:04] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] So, im a little late to the party but who is running sys now ?
[05:28:13] <Guardian452> the cows
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[05:28:24] <Guardian452> Soylent is a stupid name anyway
[05:28:27] <Guardian452> let the tard keep it
[05:28:28] <Guardian452> >_>
[05:28:57] <Guardian452> fork to lentilnews
[05:29:29] <Guardian452> the better legume
[05:29:34] <SoyCow4147> :)
[05:29:39] <prospectacle> dupe-shills.org
[05:29:45] <SoyCow4147> I heard newslash was being suggested
[05:30:10] <drgibbon> yeah but slash already carries a meaning..
[05:30:16] <BendingUnit> [poutine] ok, if you're going to clone slashdot functionality, and operate as a proper entity, you should probably not have 'slash' or 'dot' in your name
[05:30:16] * SpallsHurgenson thinks we should use what ever suggestion he once made, as it was so memorable I have since forgotten what it was :)
[05:30:19] <SoyCow4147> is that new-slash, or news-whip?
[05:30:20] <SoyCow4147> ;)
[05:30:56] <drgibbon> as in, " 1. Genre of fanfiction involving pairing two male or female characters together; characters are commonly shown with a slash in between "
[05:30:58] <SoyCow4147> We should call it definitelyNotSlash.org
[05:30:59] <Guardian452> prospectacle thats dupe.shills.org
[05:31:03] <drgibbon> newslash ?
[05:31:04] <drgibbon> hmm
[05:31:26] <Guardian452> http://www.youtube.com
[05:31:38] <Guardian452> EVERYBODY WAS KUNG-FU FIGHTING
[05:31:47] <SoyCow4147> nerdnews.com
[05:32:10] <SoyCow4147> (I haven't checked if any of these domains are available.
[05:32:12] <Guardian452> legumenews.com
[05:32:13] <prospectacle> slash horatio dot the second
[05:32:16] * SpallsHurgenson denies he is a nerd; I am a geek (we're slightly cooler :)
[05:32:28] <Guardian452> debatble
[05:32:34] <Guardian452> mod -3 pff
[05:32:37] <drgibbon> I'M A SCIENTIST
[05:32:38] <drgibbon> sorry
[05:32:40] <SoyCow4147> geeksnnerds (an homage to chips and dip)
[05:32:40] <prospectacle> since we're going to be more open we should use the full name
[05:32:43] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I have a thermometer; I checked it twice :)
[05:33:07] * Guardian452 sticks SpallsHurgenson's thermometer up his anus
[05:33:26] <Guardian452> 102.2 wow
[05:33:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not going to take that sitting down!
[05:33:37] <MrBluze> Hmmmm
[05:33:37] * Guardian452 gives SpallsHurgenson a ice bath
[05:34:07] <SoyCow4147> httpcolon.com
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[05:34:09] * Guardian452 sets up legumenews.com to point to the lindnode address
[05:34:10] <SpallsHurgenson> okay, I think we're edging a bit too close to rule 34 here so I think I will back away slowly :)
[05:34:11] <Guardian452> LOL
[05:34:46] <SoyCow4147> sudo.buckfeta.org
[05:34:48] <SoyCow4147> :D
[05:34:58] <ibogi> night all
[05:35:03] <SoyCow4147> buck.fe.ta
[05:35:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the name should be a similar "joke" to slashdot's name (e.g., aitch-tee-tee-pee colon slash slashdot dot org... except, you know, different :)
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[05:35:34] <prospectacle> what about facebook.com
[05:35:38] <SoyCow4147> Spalls, I like it, but I wouldn't want to type it
[05:35:51] * SpallsHurgenson is a fan of bad jokes, which I am certain is a surprise to all :)
[05:36:26] <prospectacle> I'll register it now just in case
[05:36:31] <Guardian452> ifconfig.isup.com
[05:36:33] <SpallsHurgenson> prospectacle: I like it! see if you can procure it for us :)
[05:36:51] * SoyCow4147 likes isup.com
[05:36:54] <Guardian452> fuck domains make everbody type the ip
[05:37:10] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I /really/ like Guardian452's idea
[05:37:10] <Konomi> type that hex type it now
[05:37:15] <SoyCow4147> rmSpaceDashRF
[05:37:33] <Alberto> ok
[05:37:34] <Alberto> then
[05:37:38] <Alberto> 666.666.666.666
[05:37:40] <Guardian452> well isup.com is unregistered ...
[05:37:40] <Alberto> Thats a good ip
[05:37:41] <Alberto> :D
[05:37:52] <Guardian452> thats not even a vaild address
[05:38:13] <Alberto> You failed the joke's class right?
[05:38:13] <Alberto> :D
[05:38:13] <SoyCow4147> what about ifconfigisup
[05:38:25] <Alberto> joke--
[05:38:25] <BendingUnit> karma - joke: -1
[05:38:30] <SoyCow4147> rm-RF.com
[05:39:00] <SoyCow4147> rmSoylent.org
[05:39:12] <Konomi> back to school to learn the data type of octet for you
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[05:40:01] <SpallsHurgenson> look, if what we want is to grow the audience, I think we all know there is only one real option...
[05:40:06] <SpallsHurgenson> ... FreePorn.com
[05:40:07] <SoyCow4147> portman.hotgrits
[05:40:12] <SoyCow4147> lol
[05:40:19] <SpallsHurgenson> HotGrits.com :)
[05:40:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I LIKE it
[05:41:11] <SoyCow4147> hotgrits.com is AVAILABLE
[05:41:11] <SpallsHurgenson> although I'm afraid to go check if it's available or not :)
[05:41:26] <SoyCow4147> I'm tempted to buy it.
[05:41:28] <SpallsHurgenson> you're a braver cow than me
[05:41:32] <Guardian452> twositesoneport.com
[05:41:51] <prospectacle> we'rebetterthanyouslashdot.org
[05:42:03] <SoyCow4147> :P
[05:42:10] <SoyCow4147> funny, but no slash in name
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[05:42:18] <Guardian452> http://reversecolonoscopy.com
[05:42:19] <Guardian452> yes
[05:42:35] <Guardian452> http://dot.com
[05:42:37] <Guardian452> :D
[05:43:05] <SoyCow4147> the bid on hotgrits.com is currently $500
[05:43:11] <SpallsHurgenson> DotDot.dot :)
[05:43:13] <SoyCow4147> It's not really available
[05:43:15] <Guardian452> http://dot.com is unregistered
[05:43:28] <prospectacle> http://...................com
[05:43:36] <SoyCow4147> godaddy shows dot.com is gone
[05:43:45] <Guardian452> mistake 1
[05:43:50] <Guardian452> shopping at go daddy
[05:43:53] <SoyCow4147> I'd never register at the SOPA supporting godaddy
[05:44:08] <SoyCow4147> ..but I use their resources to waste their electricity
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[05:44:58] <SoyCow4147> girlpluggedout
[05:45:04] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yes?
[05:45:04] <SoyCow4147> are you in Israel?
[05:45:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yes, I am.
[05:45:29] <SoyCow4147> Interesting nick
[05:45:40] <SoyCow4147> reminds me of girlintraining from TOP
[05:45:50] * Guardian452 plugs mrgirlpluggedout into SpallsHurgenson
[05:46:02] <mrgirlpluggedout> http://soylentnews.org
[05:46:05] <SoyCow4147> Same person?
[05:46:10] <mrgirlpluggedout> Nope.
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[05:46:20] <mrgirlpluggedout> I should add that to my page there.
[05:46:21] <SoyCow4147> got it.
[05:46:35] <SoyCow4147> I enjoy your submissions
[05:47:06] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thank you
[05:47:09] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] so yea.... is Ncommander running everythign at this point? Inlcuding systems?
[05:48:48] <SoyCow4147> insensitiveclod.com
[05:48:58] <mrgirlpluggedout> Have you memorized Israel's IP range, or does you client show you those nifty flags next to every user?
[05:49:33] <SoyCow4147> No, I'm not that crazy of a stalker
[05:49:35] <prospectacle> it'sforwork.com
[05:49:42] <SoyCow4147> I just remembered from your introduction on the site.
[05:49:51] <mrgirlpluggedout> Ah
[05:50:10] <SoyCow4147> I always enjoyed girlintraining's posts, and you had a few posts that might have been in the same type of style
[05:50:13] <artificial> evening
[05:50:23] <SoyCow4147> but I thought she was from minnesota (IIRC)
[05:50:48] <SoyCow4147> I don;t know if you knew her or not, but I mean that as a compliment
[05:51:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yeah, she was one of the posters I actually liked reading back in The Other Place.
[05:51:21] <artificial> "The Other Place"
[05:51:26] <Guardian452> we aren't quite sure what mrgirlpluggedout is
[05:51:34] <artificial> someone who is unplugged, duh
[05:51:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> I am a part time parking attendant.
[05:51:41] <Guardian452> "ITs" gender remains undetermined
[05:51:53] <artificial> Guardian452: fun fact, children are neuter in german
[05:52:03] <artificial> babies
[05:52:27] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] No match for domain "OTHERDOT.COM"
[05:52:45] <prospectacle> theotherplace.com
[05:52:53] <prospectacle> I know it's backwards, but it works
[05:52:58] <SoyCow4147> NOTtheotherplace.com
[05:53:02] <prospectacle> lol
[05:53:05] <prospectacle> even better
[05:53:14] <artificial> could be cool, it's "not news"
[05:54:24] <SpallsHurgenson> SpankyBunklesteinsNerdtopia.com ... what's not to love about that name? ;-)
[05:54:55] <SpallsHurgenson> plus, I'd wager good money it's available even without checking :)
[05:55:13] <SoyCow4147> 0110100001101111011101000110011101110010011010010111010001110011.com
[05:55:18] <prospectacle> nottheotherplace.com is not taken
[05:55:31] * SoyCow4147 watches people search for a binary translator
[05:55:34] <prospectacle> good name for a site of any kind
[05:55:55] <prospectacle> adds a feeling of exclusivity with no effort
[05:56:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> Also good for typosquatting.
[05:56:17] <SpallsHurgenson> need to throw an "l" in there
[05:56:37] <SoyCow4147> try typing that url in without error
[05:56:38] <SoyCow4147> :)
[05:57:44] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, half the time I can't even type slashdot in correctly without error :)
[05:58:05] <prospectacle> I agree something short. ntop.tv
[05:58:20] <SpallsHurgenson> and don't get me started on that damn goggle.com :)
[05:58:27] <SoyCow4147> haha
[05:58:52] <prospectacle> +5interesting.com
[05:58:58] <mrgirlpluggedout> SoyCow4147: Your URLs are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
[05:59:26] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] tbh a name is just a name. its cook to pick one, but in the end it is sort of irrelevant no?
[06:00:05] <prospectacle> the less important, the more words to be spent deciding. I think we can all agree that's the trend throughout history.
[06:00:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> popsikle, try succeeding with SpankyBunklesteinsNerdtopia.com
[06:00:29] <SpallsHurgenson> WeLoveMicrosoft.com
[06:00:55] <SoyCow4147> inSovietRussia.com
[06:01:00] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I'll have you know the name of Mr Bunklestein is well respected in some parts!
[06:01:13] <prospectacle> nsafree.since1993.com
[06:01:42] <mrgirlpluggedout> Heaven forbid I take Spanky Bunklestein's name in vain.
[06:01:47] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] mrgirlpluggedout : thats an assanine statemnet. Of course you need something that is not dumb! 5-8 chars in lenght, maybe a bit longer if you have really good content, shorter if you get lucky.
[06:02:35] <mrgirlpluggedout> popsikle, reductio ad absurdum
[06:02:49] <mrgirlpluggedout> Or something alone those lines
[06:02:58] <mrgirlpluggedout> I was never in Latin America so I'm not really sure
[06:03:40] <SpallsHurgenson> Mrs Bunklestein and her fourteen children will be quite dismayed to hear how their husband and father's name are so easily dismissed!
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[06:04:46] <SoyCow4147> semicolondroptableDICE.com
[06:04:57] <prospectacle> SpankyBunklestein might have founded the site, but he doesn't deserve credit just for creating the first working version of code, recruiting the first thousand users in person, posting the first three hundred stories and then donating the site to a non-profit corporation.
[06:04:59] <prospectacle> Anyone could have done that
[06:06:12] <SpallsHurgenson> certainly some people on IRC would have you believe it's just that easy :)
[06:07:01] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, I'm out. cheerio. good luck with that whole website thing :-)
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[06:07:10] <prospectacle> vicheatsheet.com
[06:08:16] <MrBluze> Well I laughed a lot reading the convoy today
[06:08:58] <MrBluze> Convo.. Stupid phone
[06:09:19] <SoyCow4147> prospectacle, you'd lose half the "audience" who might prefer emacs
[06:09:42] <prospectacle> freeringtones.com
[06:09:58] <mrgirlpluggedout> MrBluze: What's the update on the site?
[06:10:13] * SoyCow4147 is waiting for an update too
[06:10:21] <MrBluze> Waiting
[06:10:35] <MrBluze> The domain name transfer has not been confirmed
[06:11:09] <MrBluze> Given the bs that has transpired I am not holding my breath
[06:11:29] <SoyCow4147> We've been brainstorming for you
[06:11:32] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] Updated Date: 2014-03-10T20:23:57Z
[06:11:34] <MrBluze> So business as usual, pick a name is a good next step
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[06:11:45] <MrBluze> Yeah its been really entertaining
[06:12:00] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] so the domain itself was updated
[06:12:03] <prospectacle> If the domain name changes, is it possible all posts/accounts/code will remain? And that everyone can get an email with the new address? If so I dopn't anticipate losing more than 10% of people, so no biggie
[06:12:20] <MrBluze> The site is safe
[06:12:25] <MrBluze> It's just the name
[06:12:33] <prospectacle> ok good, no biggie then.
[06:12:38] <MrBluze> Yep
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[06:12:57] <prospectacle> what about amanaplanacanalpanama.com
[06:13:04] <MrBluze> Everyone will get an email to the address they provided if it changes
[06:13:39] <MrBluze> I like it, but bugger me if I can remember it
[06:13:56] <prospectacle> damn. it's taken
[06:14:05] <SoyCow4147> Do we control the altslashdot name still?
[06:14:15] <MrBluze> Yeah a lot of good stuff is taken
[06:14:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> "Hello dear friend I am Editor GIRLPLUGGEDDOUT, I recently came into possesion of 200M (TWO HUNDRED MILLION) karma points"
[06:14:18] <SoyCow4147> (just to point at the new domain)
[06:14:23] <MrBluze> But some isn't
[06:15:52] <SoyCow4147> Well, I'd better get some sleep
[06:15:59] <SoyCow4147> Have to be up in just over 4 hours
[06:16:31] <mrgirlpluggedout> Catch some Zs and come back to see the next episode of As the Soylent Turns
[06:16:43] <SoyCow4147> lol
[06:16:45] <MrBluze> Yeah its been fun so far
[06:16:54] <SoyCow4147> Goodnight all
[06:16:59] <MrBluze> Gnite
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[06:19:20] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] damn you ubuntu.
[06:19:22] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] err
[06:19:25] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] wrong window
[06:19:39] <mrgirlpluggedout> The last episode reveals that all of this is simply the product of kdawson's imagination, while staring at his snowglobe.
[06:19:44] <prospectacle> slashdot and xkcd are both popular sites. Maybe something short is good. What was that self-destruct code in futurama a1b2c or something
[06:20:46] <MrBluze> Yeah
[06:20:54] <MrBluze> Short is good if it's right
[06:21:17] <prospectacle> 1a2b3 is what is was, now that i google it
[06:21:43] <mrgirlpluggedout> slashdot was chosen to be annoying, and xkcd is apparently meaningless.
[06:21:43] <prospectacle> taken
[06:21:55] <mrgirlpluggedout> We've got those bases covered.
[06:21:56] <prospectacle> exactly, and it doesn't matter
[06:22:46] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] I hop one day to be able to use all my domain names. I am down to under 100 after getting rid of 400 or so lol
[06:24:31] <MrBluze> We will do a poll and see
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[06:24:46] <MrBluze> Cause we don't have an octopus
[06:24:47] <Konomi> there's a poll for that!
[06:25:46] <pbnjoe> "We need a squid, you insensitive clod"
[06:26:20] <MrBluze> Which reminds me...
[06:26:39] <MrBluze> Hmm after work I go see what other names ppl have submitted
[06:29:56] <prospectacle> abetterbeta.com
[06:30:30] <MrBluze> Lol nice
[06:30:33] <prospectacle> not taken
[06:30:34] <mrgirlpluggedout> alphanews.com
[06:30:38] <prospectacle> although strangely icantbelieveitsnotbeta.com is taken
[06:30:52] <MrBluze> But remember this is for the next 10 years
[06:31:12] <prospectacle> well it's just a name
[06:31:16] <prospectacle> and is software ever really out of beta?
[06:31:18] <Khyber> betabitches
[06:31:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> MrBluze: That's either optimism or lack of faith.
[06:31:57] <MrBluze> Well it will outlive the controversy of its beginnings
[06:32:54] <MrBluze> And in 10 years who knows how we find websites or whatever they are called by then
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[06:33:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> MrBluze: In the year 2024, we will all browse the web by telepathy, or something?
[06:33:49] <prospectacle> I don't care what it's called, but for the record, abetterbeta changes its meaning to fit whatever is currently happening with the site
[06:33:59] <MrBluze> I dunno
[06:34:02] <MrBluze> Maybe
[06:34:16] <prospectacle> anyway it's a dumb name it's just easy to remember and less dumb than it could be
[06:34:17] <MrBluze> Yeah that's true
[06:34:26] <MrBluze> It's an ok name
[06:34:35] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] lets be honest, the "controversy" was never not going to happen with Barb in charge. Also, there will still be websites ;) they may just be holders for apps, or somethign, but websites and urls aint going nowhere for a long while.
[06:34:40] <MrBluze> I wouldn't be fussed if that was what we had
[06:35:05] <Konomi> we should port it to a telnet interface
[06:35:09] <Konomi> go really retro
[06:35:16] <prospectacle> it has the benefit of directly pissing in dice's face with plausible deniability ("We're not talking about your beta, why would you think we were?")
[06:35:28] <MrBluze> Hi konomi
[06:35:32] <Konomi> hey
[06:35:36] <mrgirlpluggedout> Hola
[06:35:39] <prospectacle> beta is a generic term, no one owns it
[06:35:47] <MrBluze> Yep
[06:35:48] <Konomi> what could dice do anyway last I checked it's fine to have an opinion about a web service
[06:36:01] <MrBluze> I don't feel good about soylent as it is not generic
[06:36:21] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] Sure it is, you never know what part of the body it came from ...
[06:36:31] <Konomi> I'm starting to get attached to the name tbh
[06:36:48] <mrgirlpluggedout> I seriously disliked it. I like it now.
[06:37:02] <Konomi> stuff grows on you *nods*
[06:37:05] <mrgirlpluggedout> So I'll probably learn to accept whatever names gets chosen.
[06:37:09] <MrBluze> It's fine but it's not generic
[06:37:12] <Konomi> yeah
[06:37:16] <MrBluze> Yep
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[06:37:20] <prospectacle> Yeah names a funny. It could be something completely made up and fraudulent, like "Idaho" was, but some people would get attached to it over time
[06:37:23] <prospectacle> ok bad example
[06:38:03] <crutchy> hey fellows. i see the lights are still on.
[06:38:04] <mrgirlpluggedout> I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize missoura!
[06:38:16] <crutchy> i read somewhere that "matt" is our new god?
[06:39:00] <MrBluze> Np
[06:39:02] <MrBluze> No
[06:39:05] <MrBluze> Not my god
[06:39:26] <MrBluze> Hi crutchy
[06:39:27] * Konomi waits for memtest to finish checking her ram
[06:39:33] <Konomi> I finally got it finally
[06:39:47] <MrBluze> I'm just hoping nothing except the name changes for a long time
[06:39:53] <Konomi> same
[06:39:57] <MrBluze> Ok Brb back to work
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[06:41:08] <prospectacle> billyandthecloneasaurus.net
[06:41:19] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] popsikle.net !
[06:41:25] <mrgirlpluggedout> Whycome memtest Isn't included in every computer's BIOS is what I want to know.
[06:44:10] <prospectacle> karmawhores.com
[06:44:14] <prospectacle> you know it's true
[06:44:16] <crutchy> so who's genius idea was it to create an online soap opera? these shit hit the fan articles are prolly drawing the most comments and intense conversation since the site began
[06:44:32] <swiss> crutchy: ha
[06:44:53] <swiss> need to start banning in irc randomly
[06:44:54] <swiss> "IRC OVERLORDS LAY DOWN THE BANS"
[06:46:36] * Konomi bans drama llamas
[06:47:17] <Konomi> https://soundcloud.com <- nice song if you like ambient/electronic
[06:48:24] <crutchy> soylentnews... if we can't find news, we'll make it ourselves :-P
[06:49:17] <Konomi> all I imagined was you streaking some sport event
[06:49:20] * Konomi hides
[06:49:59] <mrgirlpluggedout> Have you seen our userbase?
[06:50:02] <crutchy> konomi: have you heard niraj chag? indian music producer
[06:50:04] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] crutchy, there was no other way for this project to go from the start tbh. I know a lot fo people (by a lot I mean 30, which to me is a lot lol) stopped caring aboutt he site a few days after launch because it was clear that the structure was broken and figure SN would be short lived because of it. Its good the top got toss out so soon, there may be hope for this group yet ;)
[06:50:09] <mrgirlpluggedout> Don't give us any ideas.
[06:50:10] <Konomi> crutchy: I have not
[06:50:21] <Konomi> mrgirlpluggedout: point hehe
[06:50:36] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - William Clay Ford - A Remarkable Legacy - http://sylnt.us - hot-rod-Lincoln
[06:50:51] <Konomi> I think the project will be okay as long as everyone doesn't stress out the staff ;p
[06:51:04] <crutchy> we're all nerds looking for something to bitch about.... barabas and ncommander giving us exactly what we want'
[06:51:22] <Konomi> but crutchy you are what I like to bitch about
[06:51:27] <Konomi> stop feeding my habit
[06:51:40] <crutchy> well that's ok too konomi :-P
[06:51:49] <crutchy> i can't help myself
[06:52:01] <Konomi> I gotta complain about people complaing
[06:52:03] * crutchy is a natural born troll
[06:52:07] <crutchy> lol
[06:52:17] <Konomi> do you have your own bridge?
[06:52:19] <crutchy> i'm not complianing... i'm bitching :-P
[06:52:38] <Konomi> "get off my bridge you youngin's"
[06:52:46] <crutchy> nah... only wealthy website starters can afford those
[06:52:50] * Konomi imagines cane shaking with it
[06:53:00] <crutchy> they start at $2000
[06:53:01] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] Jesus, whats with these recruiters recently. Please please please coem in for an itnerview. We will give you 1000$ ot 1500$ or an iPad
[06:53:17] <Konomi> and then they steal your kidney
[06:53:21] <mrgirlpluggedout> lol
[06:53:56] <Konomi> if it's too good to be true they're after your body, or parts of it
[06:54:18] <crutchy> everyone just wants me for my body :-P
[06:55:33] <Konomi> I think everyone just wants to get over the shock of that sentence now
[06:56:05] <Konomi> also memtest can't tell my ram timings or clock at all
[06:56:24] <mrgirlpluggedout> How old is that version of memtest?
[06:56:26] <Konomi> thinks I have ddr466 when it's ddr667
[06:56:29] <crutchy> i have that affect on people... especially chicks
[06:56:30] <Konomi> 4.20
[06:56:39] <Konomi> crutchy: I must be immune then
[06:57:08] <crutchy> i stuff up a lot of people's ram timings with my charm :-P
[06:57:13] <Konomi> mrgirlpluggedout: I think this ram or my netbook just doesn't report it lshw -class memory and dmidecode couldn't figure it out at all
[06:58:36] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] meh, do you care that memtest dont know? Id prefer if memtest did not have any words on it except pass # and a big old box that turned red when a stick was bad.
[06:58:38] <Konomi> bios shows the right speed though
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[06:59:04] <Konomi> well it says pass complete now when you finsih one pass
[06:59:14] <Konomi> so it's pretty descripitive if you don't feel like paying attention
[06:59:49] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] yea, we used to let it run for hours and peek into the build room to see if we saw red or not.
[07:00:03] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] after 10 hours or so we would tell the customer your fine and put the box back online
[07:00:11] <Konomi> I'm only running two passes
[07:00:20] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] generally when a stick failed it failed in the first 5 passes
[07:00:28] <Konomi> I was told if you leave it running too long you can get false positivies or something
[07:00:39] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] whoever told you that is a liar
[07:00:53] <Konomi> well idk
[07:00:58] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] ive accidently left it running for almost a month, on numerous occasions
[07:01:01] <Konomi> what about the whole cosmic ray thing
[07:01:22] <Konomi> flippin yur bits etc
[07:01:44] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] or alien time-stopping weapons that only affect mammals? we had that happen once
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[07:01:56] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] we just figured that Dr. Who came and got our server and brought it back to wearly
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[07:05:32] <Konomi> so hard to get memory that resists the effects of time travel I guess
[07:08:03] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] totally
[07:08:31] <Konomi> ironically the only reason I upgraded my ram is because browsers are so memory hungry now
[07:08:37] <Konomi> netbook from 1gb to 2gb
[07:09:15] <crutchy> yeah porn does that
[07:09:38] <Konomi> pft I am too classy
[07:09:40] <Konomi> it's called art
[07:10:02] <prospectacle> how long till spinning media is no longer sold in normal consumer stores: cd, hdd, etc?
[07:10:10] <Konomi> hmm idk tbh
[07:10:13] <prospectacle> spinning media is dumb and we're all dumb for buying it
[07:10:18] <Konomi> they're still working on magnetic tech
[07:10:21] <prospectacle> it usd ot be way better, not anymore
[07:10:35] <Konomi> it could be in the future that we don't just have secondary storage but third storage as well
[07:10:48] <Konomi> ram -> ssd/nand -> magnetic/hdd
[07:10:49] <prospectacle> "used to"
[07:11:11] <crutchy> and i'm an art afficonado
[07:11:30] <Konomi> plus I'm kinda fond of hard drives
[07:11:34] <prospectacle> konomi, fourth level could be punched cards, they'll last a long time if you have good stock
[07:11:37] <Konomi> kind of how I was fond of vhs
[07:11:46] <Konomi> you mean a stone tablet
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[07:12:04] <Konomi> your tweets can last for thousands of yearsa
[07:12:05] <prospectacle> yeah yeah we're all fond of our old media, it gave us so many memories, the feel of it is better, etc, but come on, you know it's day is due
[07:12:16] <prospectacle> yeah stone tablet would last pretty well I guess
[07:12:43] <prospectacle> "its" damn I can't type today
[07:12:55] <crutchy> ssd's are apparently getting more reliable. still waiting for prices to come down a bit
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[07:14:13] <crutchy> i don't trust ssd or magnetic without mirroring though
[07:14:44] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] i miss my magneto drives tbh
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[07:15:52] <crutchy> i'm glad floppies got superseded by usb sticks... floppies were a pain in the rectal orifice
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[07:16:48] <prospectacle> me too, but i have fond memories of floppies. A whole suite of games could be on one that you got from a friend.
[07:16:49] <crutchy> i remember when i could fit all my files on a single floppy... then when it got to 15 or so floppies gets really annoying
[07:17:05] <useless> hoy all
[07:17:11] <crutchy> hi useless
[07:17:18] <useless> is it safe?
[07:17:25] <crutchy> we're not dead
[07:17:27] <crutchy> yet
[07:17:42] * crutchy looks over shoulder
[07:17:56] <useless> the children done fighting over their marbles?
[07:18:04] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] uhm ... I was just wondering. if we keep "http://li694-22.members.linode.com/" as new domain name could we not get linode as sponsor online? seems like thers no better way to advertise ^_^
[07:18:09] <crutchy> we're auditioning for a new reality tv show
[07:18:20] <crutchy> the soylentians
[07:18:30] <useless> Keeping up with the Solentils?
[07:18:39] <useless> heh
[07:18:58] <prospectacle> we could just call it li694-22.com
[07:19:01] <GungnirSniper> The Modern Soylentils?
[07:19:03] <prospectacle> in honour
[07:20:06] <crutchy> ooohh i i just thought of a cool domain name for the new soylent
[07:20:13] <useless> ok, so Rhythmbox is pissing me off, what do ya'll use for a music player?
[07:20:15] <crutchy> www.8008135.com
[07:20:21] <useless> crutchy: hehe
[07:20:29] <crutchy> dammit
[07:20:41] <crutchy> already taken... quite appropriately too :-P
[07:21:01] <artificial> useless: foobar
[07:21:20] <crutchy> how about http://RFC8008135.org
[07:21:40] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] http://upload.wikimedia.org were may fav!
[07:21:48] <crutchy> fatpornpidgeons.org
[07:21:50] <prospectacle> here we go again
[07:22:06] <prospectacle> nsahoneypot.com
[07:22:21] <useless> artificial: dont want to run wine just for an mp3 player
[07:22:24] <crutchy> wow... a compact disc
[07:22:35] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] wayyyy more than a cd
[07:22:50] <crutchy> looks pretty compact though :-P
[07:22:58] <Khyber> I use AIMP like a real man
[07:23:08] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] its a magnetic drive!
[07:23:49] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] from liek 1985
[07:24:05] <BendingUnit> [Popsikle] it was great for transferring pr0n from ASU to my house
[07:24:06] <artificial> useless: that's nice
[07:24:18] <FoobarBazbot> On nice systems, I use mpd aka musicpd, and a variety of clients
[07:24:21] <crutchy> cool
[07:24:24] <crutchy> a pr0n drive
[07:24:25] <prospectacle> onetwosevendotzerodotzerodotone.com (a home a way from home)
[07:24:39] <crutchy> a PD
[07:24:40] <FoobarBazbot> on Android, I use deadbeef
[07:24:41] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] acctually a "complicated" name is more techie and nerdy anyways ... and numbers invoke feels of robots ^_^
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[07:24:55] <useless> artificial: heard good things about it, but not on windows
[07:25:52] * crutchy uses rhythmbox *hides*
[07:26:09] <artificial> bleh, had this program bomb on me and lost some progress
[07:26:32] <GungnirSniper> I lost a day's work that way once, stupid proprietary crap.
[07:26:52] <artificial> i was saving
[07:27:01] <useless> oh that's the worst
[07:27:21] <artificial> photoshop is the only program where my heart skips a beat
[07:27:28] <artificial> "it doesn't usually do that, ohfuckohfuck"
[07:27:48] <artificial> it rarely happens, but it's always an adventure when it does
[07:28:09] <IT_freak> 1 minute save in settings->options
[07:28:16] <artificial> bleh, it was half a song.
[07:28:17] <IT_freak> same with microsoft office
[07:28:18] <IT_freak> same with life
[07:28:25] <IT_freak> same with... yeah
[07:28:36] <useless> heh
[07:28:40] <prospectacle> Yeah auto-saving in life is a little-known but very useful feature
[07:28:50] <IT_freak> sorry >.> this happens a lot for me ^^
[07:28:53] <artificial> those are called checkpoints
[07:28:58] <prospectacle> you just have to make sure you have enough storage free, because some situations are fairly large
[07:29:05] <artificial> usually you respawn outside of a hospital
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[07:29:34] <artificial> i had all these settings for an instrument
[07:29:45] <artificial> save early save often :|
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[07:30:07] * artificial goes for a smoke, bothered
[07:31:34] <prospectacle> The easier method is to carry around undo shortcuts in your wallet. You only need three or four a day, so they don't take up too much space.
[07:31:59] <useless> prospectacle: if only
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[07:35:39] <artificial> prospectacle: link me to your matrix trainer
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[07:35:58] <crutchy> prospectacle: maybe 127_0_0_1.org or localhost.org (although i think icann or iana or whoever might have a problem with the latter)
[07:36:33] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] denialists: where did the plqne go? 20'000 leagues under the sea. it disappeared from radar but "somehow" we know it turned around 180 degrees ... sheesh.
[07:36:48] <prospectacle> yeah, looks like http://www.127001.org is taken, too
[07:37:15] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] *plane
[07:37:22] <crutchy> wow it's got a static calendar
[07:37:29] <crutchy> what a waste
[07:38:01] <MrBluze> Remote host. Org?
[07:38:14] <useless> but it;s xhtml1 compliant
[07:38:29] <useless> and a putty link
[07:38:51] <crutchy> all it's missing is an "under construction" animated gif :-P
[07:39:52] <useless> is nerddrama.com available?
[07:40:08] <BendingUnit> [ksuhku] haha
[07:40:35] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] thx1311.gov
[07:40:40] <prospectacle> tableforlayout.com
[07:41:12] <MrBluze> Port1337.org
[07:41:37] <prospectacle> i like remotehost.org
[07:42:14] <prospectacle> but don't go there it's a drive-by download site
[07:42:20] <prospectacle> crap hope my thingy caught it properly
[07:43:02] <useless> kinky
[07:43:12] <prospectacle> Infection: HTML:Script-inf
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[07:44:07] <prospectacle> well anyway have a good time everybody i'll catch you later
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[07:48:57] <crutchy> apk_hosts_file.org
[07:49:19] <useless> heh
[07:50:19] <crutchy> geeklair.org
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[07:51:09] <useless> are theres actually open, or just ideas?
[07:51:32] <crutchy> nerdlair.org is available
[07:51:32] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] digatlocalhost.net
[07:52:06] <crutchy> geeklair.org is also available
[07:52:47] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] were people go to get eaten by the dragon?
[07:53:13] <crutchy> a dragon shaped like penny from big bang theory
[07:54:02] <useless> ugh, hate that show
[07:54:13] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] pennys-coin.com
[07:55:11] <crutchy> bangnews.org is available
[07:55:43] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] nusa.net
[07:55:54] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] like nasa and news
[07:55:54] <crutchy> hashnews.org is available
[07:56:14] <crutchy> #news
[07:56:17] <crutchy> hmm
[07:56:28] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] and jar jar b8nks .. nusa u nusa?
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[08:00:13] <crutchy> i vote hashnews.org
[08:00:20] <useless> I like it
[08:00:24] <crutchy> or #news
[08:00:56] <crutchy> if i had $130 i'd nab it myself
[08:01:20] <crutchy> i'm pov though
[08:01:25] <useless> nod
[08:01:27] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] sdf6dswtfgdxgsdf.onion?
[08:01:42] <useless> I have a rule, never buy domains while drinking
[08:02:30] <crutchy> lol @ n00boty: it would be shortened to "blah dot onion"
[08:04:37] <crutchy> dotdotdotdot.org is available
[08:04:46] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] crutchy: I think you can keep deleting the hiddenservices hostname file that is autogenerated and restart tor to get a new one ... after a million tries or so u should end up with "slashdot12345678.onion"
[08:06:07] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] so lets all get generating! ^_^
[08:06:13] <crutchy> imagine a ddos attacker... "woot! i've been running this brute force script for months... and i finally found the right domain name mwahahahahah!!!!!"
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[08:07:43] <useless> heheh
[08:08:04] <crutchy> slashmydash.org is available
[08:08:09] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] crutchy: acctually some people do that ... kepp generating onion domains and discarding them until they are happy. im sure they did that with s8lkroad.onion address.
[08:09:43] <artificial> crutchy: sounds like a great name for a drink driver service
[08:09:47] <BendingUnit> [n00boty] nap time. later.
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[08:23:25] <prospectacle> You know how some properties (e.g. spin, speed, location) don't have a true value until measured, are there any games like that? Like the room doesn't exist until you go into it, and then it has layout, treasure, monsters, etc?
[08:23:52] <prospectacle> I don't mean the whole level is generated procedurally, I mean each individual bit doesn't exist until you're close enough to see/interact with it.
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[08:25:56] <artificial> prospectacle: diablo 2? it's done per level load
[08:26:07] <artificial> minecraft?
[08:26:49] <artificial> prey, while not procedural, had a very dramatic effect on one of the levels where stuff beamed in right as you walked onto it
[08:26:52] <prospectacle> They are done per level, I was wondering if any are done per room, which I guess is a fairly fine line, depending on the game type.
[08:28:11] <prospectacle> Like as soon as you open a door/turn a corner you couldn't see past before, that room exists, but didn't before
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[08:37:36] <dentonj> yesterday was exciting, is there an encore planned for today?
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[08:38:38] <prospectacle> dentonj, yeah it's a treasure hunt.
[08:38:54] <prospectacle> the clue on each new domain name points you to the next one until you find the true domain name
[08:43:38] <nobbis> oooh what's the treasure ?
[08:47:50] <FoobarBazbot_> nobbis: a jpeg file named "hello"
[08:48:19] <useless> a keychain
[08:48:54] <Konomi> free dban
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[08:49:51] <crutchy> i've just spent the last 10 minutes poking a wet hole
[08:50:22] <useless> don't care about your nose picking fetish
[08:50:33] <crutchy> lol
[08:51:11] <crutchy> my gutter mind didn't allow me to think of that
[08:51:34] <useless> or did it? ;)
[08:52:45] <useless> crutchy: you still in the middle of a mine fire?
[08:53:09] <crutchy> i can't imagine sticking an end of an unravelled wire coathanger up my nose being much fun
[08:53:22] <crutchy> they reckon it's under control
[08:53:39] <useless> good news
[08:53:45] <useless> on both parts
[08:54:17] <crutchy> http://www.abc.net.au
[08:54:39] <crutchy> i'll wait and see for myself
[08:54:46] <crutchy> still smoky
[08:55:13] <crutchy> was worse thismorning than its been for a few days
[08:55:23] <useless> praying for rain
[08:56:30] <crutchy> i mowed my back lawn yesterday
[08:56:32] <crutchy> big mistake
[08:56:54] <crutchy> spent half the night coughing
[08:57:23] <crutchy> dunno whether its anything to do with coal though
[08:58:00] <crutchy> could just be how dry things are. there's big cracks in the ground. a lot of the grass is dead and prickly, but there's always those patches that keep growing
[08:58:14] <Konomi> okay question when someone says what sounds like "idgit" they mean idiot?
[08:58:18] <Konomi> aka accent?
[08:58:23] <useless> Konomi: yes
[08:58:27] <Konomi> hum okay
[08:58:39] <Konomi> though my subtitles had a typo for a second
[08:59:32] <useless> there's some geographical nuance, but that's the general point
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[09:00:43] <crutchy> what are you watching konomi?
[09:00:48] <Konomi> supernatural
[09:01:04] <crutchy> *barfs*
[09:01:14] <useless> yeah, it's "southern: for idiot
[09:02:09] <artificial> lol
[09:02:11] <Konomi> idk how an o turns into a j
[09:02:23] <artificial> konomi: lol
[09:02:35] <artificial> the joys of regional dialects
[09:03:14] <useless> slow it down about half speed, add heat and a few hundred years
[09:03:31] <artificial> haha
[09:03:58] <artificial> sorta like the quebecois
[09:04:01] <FoobarBazbot> Konomi: it's really more "di" becomes "dj", and the "o" also shifts to "i"
[09:04:02] <prospectacle> got a burrito
[09:04:15] <FoobarBazbot> But yeah...
[09:04:22] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:04:49] <useless> more of d _> j
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[09:05:38] <Konomi> some guy is over talking with my friend can't tell if he is human or a hyena with his laugh
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[09:15:59] <artificial> any metal fans here?
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[09:18:04] <Konomi> alloys or just pure?
[09:19:12] <useless> heh
[09:19:23] <artificial> trying to tag this tune right
[09:19:38] <useless> which?
[09:19:40] <Konomi> vlc has fingerprinting for audio files if that helps
[09:19:56] <Konomi> if you know artist and title though just check wikipedia
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[09:20:52] <artificial> it's something i've been working on
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[09:42:34] <MrBluze_> Hmm
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[10:15:22] <quitte> still no news about matt?
[10:20:37] <mrgirlpluggedout> Truns out it's Matt Damon. Who'da thunk.
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[10:34:09] <NightHawk> Random question - has anyone here ever tried the solder reflow oven method with a laptop mainboard?
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[10:41:43] <MrBluze> No? Sounds interesting
[10:43:42] <NightHawk> The idea of baking a motherboard in an oven just feels so wrong... But seems to work for some people if it's done right.
[10:46:13] <Konomi> baking is just a hacked up way of doing a reflow
[10:46:22] <Konomi> most use special tools for it and only direct it at the suspected chip
[10:47:33] <NightHawk> *nods*, I'd read that. Sadly I cannot afford the real tools, especially since I'm unlikely to do many repairs like this.
[10:48:12] <MrBluze> Clever cookies either way
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[10:48:50] <NightHawk> It's a dead laptop I took as payment for a small job, already cleaned the visible corrosion off the board and have never tried half-arsed reflow stuff
[10:49:59] <NightHawk> Good chance it's a dead component, but I won't know if I don't try.
[10:51:53] <Konomi> did you tell them you could fix it for sure?
[10:52:24] <NightHawk> Nah, I took it as payment for something else. It's mine for now.
[10:52:35] <Konomi> I'd probably ask them before you go shovinv their laptop in an over
[10:52:38] <Konomi> oven*
[10:52:53] <Konomi> what laptop is it out of curiousity?
[10:53:10] <Konomi> any laptop that needs a reflow is probably faulty by design
[10:53:25] <NightHawk> Probably an 1st/2nd gen i3 Acer. Aspire 5740?
[10:53:32] <Konomi> so I'd recommend either tossing it or after reflowing that you replace the paste possibly polish or eplace the cooling system
[10:54:04] <Konomi> I had a hp laptop that would do the same thing
[10:54:15] <Konomi> they replaced the motherboard 2 times it just kept cooking itself
[10:54:24] <NightHawk> It looks like it was killed by liquid, so I'm not expecting much. Like I said, probably a dead component but it presents a learning oportunity.
[10:54:44] <Konomi> reflow probably won't fix water damage
[10:54:53] <NightHawk> I heard a few nVidia mobile GPUs did that a while back.
[10:55:25] <NightHawk> *nods*, I know. Just thinking it might be that the corrosion caused a dry/broken join.
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[10:56:34] <Konomi> more likely it shorted something and killed it
[10:56:48] <Konomi> if it has water dmg though you mise well bake it ;p
[10:56:49] <NightHawk> Yeah, I know :-(
[10:56:54] <Konomi> if you want to try
[10:57:23] <Konomi> water damage more relies on the owner to be smart enough to flip the laptop upside down and remove all power sources asap
[10:57:34] <Konomi> don't do that and it's generally the end of a device
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[10:58:37] <NightHawk> Giving it serious consideration. Just trying to get over the idea in general (plus I don't know what to expect in the way of fumes and my wife is pregnant)
[10:59:12] <Konomi> I'm not sure I'd recommend doing it in an oven you cook in
[10:59:33] <NightHawk> Other option is a heat gun.
[11:00:52] <Konomi> need a ray gun
[11:03:02] <NightHawk> Well, it is an Acer after all ;-)
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[11:05:16] <Konomi> older acers were very good
[11:05:49] <NightHawk> What era?
[11:09:16] <Konomi> tbh I neve really payed attention I wasn't that techy then
[11:09:45] <NightHawk> Fair enough
[11:09:49] <Konomi> http://www.dsr-inc.com
[11:09:58] <Konomi> ones sporting this look
[11:10:06] <Konomi> http://www.productwiki.com
[11:10:07] <Konomi> and these
[11:10:10] <Konomi> these I seen everywhere
[11:10:35] <Konomi> they were very popular at the time and Ionly seen them coming in for repairs far far after they came out
[11:11:40] <NightHawk> Fair call, around 2006/7 I'm guessing.
[11:11:52] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Amber Alerts: "Abused and Ineffective" - http://sylnt.us - be-alert,-the-country-needs-more-lerts
[11:11:52] <Konomi> they were nice
[11:11:56] <Konomi> I wanted one lol ^^;
[11:12:35] <Konomi> looks like they were the aspire range from 5000 to 5500
[11:13:29] <NightHawk> *shrugs*, I worked in a shop for a while, I'll agree, didn't have to repair many of them.
[11:13:55] <Konomi> ones I seen where hard drive dying
[11:14:19] <NightHawk> Cheap HP's seemed to come in pretty steadily.
[11:14:27] <Konomi> I won't touch hp
[11:14:34] <Konomi> I've never seen a good laptop fromt hem
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[11:15:43] <NightHawk> dv7s were okay for the most-part
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[11:22:52] <Konomi> interesting
[11:22:58] <Konomi> I go looking up your model and come across this
[11:23:00] <Konomi> https://www.pcworld.com
[11:23:10] <Konomi> anyone else getting untrusted certificate for that?
[11:23:25] <Konomi> "localhost.localdomain"
[11:24:09] <NightHawk> yeah, same
[11:24:27] <NightHawk> just make https http
[11:24:32] <Konomi> yeah seems so
[11:24:44] <Konomi> pcworld must be lazy lol
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[11:28:54] <prospectacle> A good day to you
[11:29:07] <NightHawk> and to you sirt
[11:29:12] <NightHawk> *sir
[11:32:23] <prospectacle> any topic?
[11:33:00] <NightHawk> Not really. Just mumbling about laptop mainboard solder reflow in an oven and older laptops
[11:34:47] <prospectacle> good times
[11:35:01] <gallondr00nk> Not a T40 thinkpad is it?
[11:36:07] <NightHawk> nah, Acer 5740-i3 is the reflow candidate.
[11:39:21] <prospectacle> off-topic: although linux will continue its ascent in the os market, to the very top in all areas; the gpl will become seen as a more historically significant entity.
[11:41:13] <NightHawk> historically significant compared to what?
[11:42:10] <prospectacle> compared to linux. I know they're different things, but they're related, and at the moment linux is more famous. More people would haver heard of it and have at least some idea what it is.
[11:42:23] <gallondr00nk> You mean projects moving to BSD or Apache licences?
[11:42:26] <prospectacle> But in 20/30 years everyone will be "Why is all software free now" and someone will be "it was the gpl"
[11:43:23] <NightHawk> Alternatively they'll point to Stallman and Linus?
[11:44:04] <prospectacle> I think people will know more about the products than the people, but they'll probably know their names, at least.
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[11:53:23] <NightHawk> @prospectacle - you really think it'll ever reach an "everything is free" point?
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[11:54:44] <prospectacle> NightHawk, close enough to. Maybe 99%
[11:55:01] * aqu4 likes toast
[11:55:09] <prospectacle> Gradually in any market with a lot of users, a free option gets better and better, and a little while afterwards, it gets more a more popular.
[11:55:34] <Subsentient> Mmh, Capitalism must die.
[11:55:49] <Subsentient> I don't want to have the word "market" mean anything in a century.
[11:55:57] <NightHawk> it's settled then, 2044 will be the year of Linux on the desktop ;-)
[11:56:14] <Subsentient> Linux lost it's chance for a good reason
[11:56:39] <NightHawk> Cos it requires a fair bit of dicking around at times and there's too much choice?
[11:56:44] <Subsentient> People were able to create graphical tools for all the little things that forced users to the terminal, but the CLI, like for me, was good enough for the devs, so nobody bothered
[11:56:57] <prospectacle> Capitalism != markets. Markets have been around for much longer. Mostly capitalism is joint-stock companies and the abstraction of ownership (futures/derivatives/shares etc)
[11:57:05] <Subsentient> And so changing timezones still requires the CLI on many DEs.
[11:57:46] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Capitalism to me is the idea that in order to get something you must give something, but that's going to create a much more heated debate.
[11:58:08] <Subsentient> Of course, I don't believe in freebies as such
[11:58:10] <NightHawk> Though to be fair, Linux is making great strides all-over the place. Steamboxes etc will be interresting.
[11:58:31] <Subsentient> Linux != Android. Android != FOSS. Google != your friend
[11:58:47] <prospectacle> Subsentient, the prevalence of that is a cultural influence of capitalism, but trade and self-interest have been around much longer.
[11:59:06] <NightHawk> By that logic my router != linux ?!
[11:59:12] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I don't expect to change human nature. I expect to make the need for the current system obsolete
[11:59:22] <Subsentient> NightHawk: If it runs Android, you're correct
[11:59:36] <prospectacle> Android *is* linux though, even if it's also some other things.
[11:59:57] <Subsentient> It may use a Linux kernel, but I consider even Busybox systems to be Linux, but Android is... not Linux.
[12:00:01] <prospectacle> there are successful forks of android, despite googles efforts, and there are other linux-based phone operating systems with good backing that might go somewhere
[12:00:01] <Subsentient> It's not even really POSIX
[12:00:19] <NightHawk> AOSP is Linux based, ergo Android is Linux based. Like the PS3 is BSD based.
[12:00:32] <Subsentient> NightHawk: It's got a Linux kernel. that's it.
[12:01:00] <Subsentient> No GNU userland, not even Busybox, locked down, non-free, may be FOSS, but it goes against the spirit of FOSS very heavily
[12:01:04] <NightHawk> Linux IS only the kernel, it's all it ever is ;-)
[12:01:33] <Subsentient> I still recall much of Android being closed off little by little
[12:01:45] <prospectacle> NightHawk++; and most of the rest of android is open source. They don't want you forking it, but amazon have, and others.
[12:02:07] <Subsentient> NightHawk: If I can't load whatever the hell I want on my device, it's not a computer, and android is helping those evil little appliances enslave you all.
[12:02:39] <prospectacle> Subsentient: Cyanogenmod is a free android
[12:02:49] <NightHawk> yes and no. The closed bits remain copyrighted binary blobs. I can have Android without google if I wish it.
[12:02:54] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Yes, mostly, but see my previous statement.
[12:03:24] <Subsentient> Android is evil, just like Google.
[12:03:37] <prospectacle> Google want to own it, they want to have it both ways. But look at microsoft and the web. It's a losing proposition in the long run because it's an open standard.
[12:03:52] <prospectacle> Google is evil, android can be forked and make into whatever one wants.
[12:04:01] <NightHawk> @Subsentient - who isn't evil then?
[12:04:07] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Do you own a smartphone that's not a NEXUS or something absurdly rare and expensive?
[12:04:21] <Subsentient> NightHawk: Well, Red Hat made systemd, so, I can't think of any.
[12:04:28] <Subsentient> Haiku Inc, maybe
[12:04:44] <NightHawk> BSD?
[12:04:46] <prospectacle> Yes, I've got a moderate android phone
[12:05:06] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Load Fedora ARM on it and get back to me when you've got at least a CLI userland.
[12:05:18] * Subsentient prepares a tomb to hibernate in
[12:06:18] <Subsentient> ..my point is taken?
[12:06:29] <Subsentient> If you can't load an OS on it of your choosing, it directly hurts FOSS.
[12:06:40] <Subsentient> If you write something free but nobody can run it, what's the use?
[12:07:36] <prospectacle> Subsentient: what is your point, that fedora doesn't support this model? I can install cyanogen according to their wiki, although I haven't tried.
[12:08:04] <Subsentient> prospectacle: My point is that you can't load any OS at all, whether or not it would boot, unless it's some flavour of android.
[12:08:49] <Subsentient> My first and last tablet was permanently bricked when I just MOUNTED the filesystem image that held it's kernel.
[12:10:22] <prospectacle> Subsentient: but I can load a completely free community android, and do whatever I want with it. A free and open source non google version
[12:10:52] <prospectacle> much of it gpl
[12:11:08] <Subsentient> prospectacle: You miss the point.
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[12:11:24] <NightHawk> I believe I have too
[12:11:30] <Subsentient> I can load BSD, Linux, Haiku, Windows, AROS, whatever the fuck I want on a PC.
[12:11:37] <Subsentient> All with radically different kernels
[12:11:59] <prospectacle> Is your point that the phone hardware/firmware is locked?
[12:12:00] <Subsentient> Trying to say that you can get around it by loading another version of Android just proved my point.
[12:12:13] <Subsentient> You are forced to use some flavour of android. Period. EOF>
[12:12:28] <prospectacle> I thought your point was it wasn't free.
[12:12:32] <Subsentient> Locked, 99.9999999999999%
[12:12:38] <Subsentient> That's a smaller issue.
[12:12:40] <NightHawk> And. So. What? :-P,,, Same on a modern Iphone
[12:12:50] <Subsentient> That doesn't make it right dude.
[12:13:03] <Subsentient> If these are supposed to supplant PCs, you see nothing ominous about this notion?
[12:13:08] <prospectacle> It's not right, but it's free software
[12:13:31] <Subsentient> Don't tell me they won't supplant PCs, they might not, but doesn't the thought scare you, of not being able to ever change OSes?
[12:13:32] <NightHawk> They aren't supposed to supplant. Supplement maybe...
[12:13:35] <prospectacle> More free phone OSs are appearing monthly. As are models that can support them.
[12:13:55] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Fine, take a Firefox OS phone and load Android on it, or vice versa.
[12:14:00] <Subsentient> Do it.
[12:14:08] <NightHawk> Doesn't firefox OS run on some android phones/tablets?
[12:14:09] <Subsentient> I don't care if the new OS drops you to emergency mode.
[12:14:20] <Subsentient> Get the kernel to boot on it without piggybacking on Android.
[12:14:28] <prospectacle> What scares me is not being able to run a free customised OS, or change it how I want, or use free applications. Not being able to switch to fedora or other kernels on a specific device is not a big deal to me.
[12:14:28] <Subsentient> Not user-installable
[12:14:33] <Subsentient> unless you have a nexus or something
[12:14:54] <Subsentient> prospectacle: It should be if that's going to be your only choice at some point
[12:15:14] <NightHawk> Odin... I guess that requires a piggyback too?
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[12:15:38] <Subsentient> If it's not using device native firmware/BIOS to boot a completely unrelated OS, then it's piggybacking.
[12:15:53] <prospectacle> Subsentient, if I can change to forked versions, then I will never be locked in, as forked versions can deviate as much as they want.
[12:15:53] <Subsentient> chroot and virt does NOT count!
[12:16:06] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Until the carriers decide you can't.
[12:16:17] <prospectacle> Subsentient, carriers only tell you what you can install in america
[12:16:23] <NightHawk> Can't we all just get allong ^_^ ?
[12:16:25] <prospectacle> as far as I know
[12:16:42] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I am in the US, yes, but where are you?
[12:16:58] <prospectacle> Aus
[12:17:05] <Subsentient> prospectacle: If it's not possible to change to a completely new OS, then it's not a fucking computer.
[12:17:17] <prospectacle> we have a competition and consumer commission. I think a lot of countries have something like this.
[12:17:29] <Subsentient> If I want to load the new Haiku ARM port on it, and the hardware is supported, but I can't because of firmware, I'm fucked
[12:18:35] <prospectacle> Subsentient. You have a wide range of phone-models to choose from.
[12:19:03] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Find me one for under $500 USD that has even a chance of letting you load what you want on it.
[12:19:10] <Subsentient> This is excuse-making.
[12:19:30] <Subsentient> You love your fucking phone and don't want to acknowledge an uncomfortable and devastating truth.
[12:19:49] <prospectacle> Not if we're arguing about whether more and more things are becoming free/gpl, which I thought was the argument.
[12:19:57] <NightHawk> That it is infact,,,, *dum-dum-dum*, a phone and not a computer?
[12:19:58] <prospectacle> My phone is ok, I'm thinking of replacing it soon.
[12:19:59] <Subsentient> You were probably used to hooraying Google and Android for being FOSS until you realized they were still destroying the world
[12:20:25] <Subsentient> Android used to be FOSS
[12:20:32] <NightHawk> I think the world has bigger problems than Android and Google, no?
[12:20:47] <Subsentient> then they forked the Linux kernel, but then support started to wane, so they rejoined, but the userland is still pretty fucked up and much of it is not foss
[12:20:59] <Subsentient> NightHawk: Sure, but for my world, they are the biggest.
[12:21:00] <prospectacle> actually android is FOSS, some phone firmware is not, and some google android applications are not.
[12:21:40] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Answer this to me: What's the point of FOSS if nobody can use what you create?
[12:21:53] <Subsentient> And no, Android is not 100% foxx
[12:21:56] <Subsentient> foss
[12:22:36] <prospectacle> Not all of it you're right, but enough that several different organisations have made popular forks. That's more free than the phone situation used to be.
[12:22:59] <prospectacle> It will continue to get better, because free software tends to win over time, as it gets better, and it's always cheap.
[12:23:26] <NightHawk> Here's one for the Aussies - http://canyougetnbn.com
[12:23:52] <Subsentient> For fuck's sake man
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[12:23:55] <prospectacle> lol
[12:24:34] <Subsentient> Parade FOSS all you want, but if you can't run any of your new FOSS, what the hell is the point of writing it? How does the world being taken over by a FOSS operating system that whatever it runs on can only run it, ever benefit foss?
[12:24:58] <MrBluze> Foss is good but if u have money
[12:25:21] <MrBluze> U probably consider time saved to be of value
[12:25:43] <Subsentient> I consider time to be a meaningless concept.
[12:25:48] <NightHawk> *facepalm*, I think this has gone full circle.
[12:25:50] <MrBluze> So that's why ppl who support Foss also buy stuff
[12:25:56] <MrBluze> Lol
[12:25:57] <prospectacle> Susbentient, I think we're arguing different points. Let me phrase it precisely: Of the code people use (whether they know it or not), the proportion that is GPL and other free licences, goes up over time, and will approach 99%
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[12:26:43] <NightHawk> 99% of statistics contain a "%"...
[12:26:45] <Subsentient> prospectacle: And my point is that while much of Android is FOSS, it's still a futile effort if your only OS for your device will always, by mandate of the OEM, ever be Android
[12:27:24] <prospectacle> Consider website stacks, phone stacks, PC stacks, etc. Proportion that is free (especially gpl) goes up over time. Although there are few entire stacks that are completely GPL as yet.
[12:27:55] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I agree. But, still. the current threat I have presented remains.
[12:28:28] <prospectacle> Subsentient. Ok good, that was the point I was arguing. I agree with you that there are people trying to stop you using other-than-intended software using every dirty trick they can.
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[12:28:48] <prospectacle> There is some danger they might succeed. I think they'll just lose and lose gradually.
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[12:28:55] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I get my joy from coding and tinkering. If I am forced to use Android, that will end. That's bad for me.
[12:29:15] <prospectacle> Consider phones. There is plenty of proprietary firmware and applications, but consider phones 10 years ago, and the proportion that was proprietary then.
[12:29:31] <prospectacle> Now consider that some models let you run whatever you want, and are as open as possible, and look at the long term trend.
[12:29:35] <Subsentient> Yeah, but then they were at least PERCEIVED to be the appliances they were
[12:29:44] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Find me 10.
[12:30:44] <Mr_Bluze> hmm
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[12:31:04] <MrBluze> yeah foss is becoming the building blocks of everything
[12:31:09] <prospectacle> wow 10. What if there were just more this year than last year, and more last year than the previous. Wouldn't that be a good sign?
[12:31:30] <MrBluze> people are still paying for a polished shiny turd though, and sometimes that contains foss
[12:31:36] <MrBluze> but they pay
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[12:32:00] <Subsentient> +1
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[12:33:30] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I do not consider 10 to be a measurable improvement
[12:33:35] <Subsentient> After this many years?
[12:33:36] <MrBluze> why they pay is marketing however, not because it's better
[12:33:48] <MrBluze> i swear, if better was for sale, everything would be linux on the desktop
[12:33:51] <MrBluze> it shits all over osx
[12:34:25] <MrBluze> i have all OS's running as VM's and i can tell u which one I always end up using - because i get stuff done on it - it's linux
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[12:34:47] <MrBluze> / rant
[12:34:53] <Subsentient> Yeah, no, not for most. Linux had a perfect opportunity to become the ideal desktop OS, but nobody wanted to add the little polished user friendly bits, even Ubuntu apparently, so, it didn't happen.
[12:35:06] <prospectacle> Subsentient: fair enough. What would you consider a measurable improvement?
[12:35:06] <MrBluze> Subsentient: .. marketing
[12:35:13] <MrBluze> the user friendly bits are absent in windows
[12:35:18] <MrBluze> it's even rude to the user
[12:35:42] <Subsentient> prospectacle: All that stuff like firewall config, services, users, timezones, ALWAYS being WELL INTEGRATED.
[12:35:45] <MrBluze> but freakin schools are offloaded shitty surfaces which no one will buy .. and now we have ppl who become windows RT users by force
[12:36:04] <Subsentient> Basically all major system settings to have a graphical method as well as a CLI method
[12:36:14] <Subsentient> Fedora came close but didn't hit it quite right
[12:36:21] <MrBluze> suse was good
[12:36:27] <MrBluze> as long as u didnt do anything interesting on it .. just like a mac
[12:37:14] <prospectacle> Subsentient: Proprietary softare (in general) is still probably a majority in almost all devices, and has legacy acceptance. If we agree the proportion of free software is going up (but many gaps remain), what will the culture be when free code outweights proprietary and has done for a few years. Will demand for free phones go up or down?
[12:37:23] <prospectacle> Oops. FOSS phones i mean
[12:38:13] <Subsentient> Up certainly, but that won't do any good if you still can't boot what you want on them
[12:38:18] <Subsentient> by then, the damage would be done.
[12:39:00] <MrBluze> in every moment there are niches where foss can wedge in and cause a massive shift
[12:39:12] <MrBluze> the one at the moment is privacy and security.. like that article today on sn
[12:39:12] <prospectacle> Really? Can't a manufacturer go "there's some demand for hardware that runs a FOSS phone, let's see if we can make some money off it". I mean how much retooling would that really be for say, samsung, htc, huawei, etc?
[12:39:27] <MrBluze> no retooling, just openness
[12:39:32] <prospectacle> Right.
[12:39:44] <MrBluze> but freakin lawyers and patents and stuff ruins it
[12:39:55] <MrBluze> like poutine comes here and says everything we do is illegal
[12:39:57] <prospectacle> So if one day there's a sufficient percentage of phone buyers saying "we want foss top to bottom" how long would it take for a hardware manufacturer to step up
[12:40:04] <MrBluze> although what we ARE doing is innovative and new
[12:40:26] <MrBluze> apparently there's a patent on voting with your feet .. u'r not allowed to do it
[12:40:36] <NightHawk> Um... Didn't Cyanogen mod get bought and IS going to produce a fully FOSS phone?
[12:40:38] <Subsentient> prospectacle: The track record says that companies will find a more nefarious way of protecting their profits than lose control like that
[12:40:48] <MrBluze> my phone is cyanogen .. runs beaut
[12:41:02] <prospectacle> Subsentient: some hardware manufacturers are happy just to sell hardware
[12:41:06] <MrBluze> faster, tighter, more control over apps and permissions
[12:41:17] <NightHawk> MrBluze - same here, but allot of this debate covered bootloaders too
[12:41:19] <prospectacle> Subsentient: Some might even make more money that way
[12:41:26] <MrBluze> ah yes
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[12:41:39] <MrBluze> hmm
[12:41:52] <MrBluze> .. interesting
[12:41:58] <prospectacle> Forget carriers for a minute, their all encompassing power is something of a US anomaly
[12:42:04] <MrBluze> i left the channel, but here i am
[12:42:04] <Subsentient> prospectacle: They won't see that in all likelihood
[12:42:16] <Subsentient> I am being cynical because that's realistic for capitalism
[12:42:50] <prospectacle> It is, you're instinct is right, but I see the trend of GPL as pushing other software to the side slowly but surely, and someone has to make the hardware, and someone can make money doing so.
[12:42:50] <MrBluze> Subsentient: u made a coment earlier about capitalism and requiring to give as well as take
[12:42:53] <MrBluze> its not really true
[12:43:14] <Subsentient> Yeah, the big guys just keep taking
[12:43:21] <MrBluze> yep
[12:43:39] <MrBluze> and in the current situation there is a growing hyper-class that have an infinite credit card and do no work whatsoever
[12:43:42] <MrBluze> yet they lord over us all
[12:43:53] <MrBluze> i mean, every day is a saturday for them .. so to speak
[12:44:15] <prospectacle> Wow sounds nice, pity about the blood on your shoes, though.
[12:44:21] <Subsentient> yeah
[12:44:33] <Subsentient> I do believe in capital punishment for some
[12:44:37] <Subsentient> like them.
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[12:44:45] <prospectacle> Thanks for the debate, gotta run
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[12:44:56] <MrBluze> :)
[12:45:08] <MrBluze> yeah possibly it will come
[12:45:24] <MrBluze> no one is ever really immune to a highly annoyed public
[12:45:47] <Subsentient> When the bastards ask me "it's because I'm rich, you're jealous, and so you don't want me to have money, right?"
[12:45:58] <Subsentient> I'll respond "No, it's how you got your money."
[12:46:12] <MrBluze> yep
[12:46:18] <MrBluze> just cause it's legal doesnt mean it's not theft
[12:46:21] <MrBluze> or usury
[12:46:28] <MrBluze> or fraud or extortion
[12:46:30] <Subsentient> Indeed
[12:46:39] <NightHawk> *nods*
[12:46:49] <Subsentient> MrBluze: Hmm, wanna tell me what you think of a simple little mouse cursor I made for my homebrew distro?
[12:46:59] <MrBluze> yeah no worries :)
[12:47:02] <MrBluze> im totally into UI
[12:47:10] <Subsentient> http://universe2.us
[12:47:31] <Subsentient> Copy to /usr/share/icons/
[12:47:36] <Subsentient> the Virtue folder
[12:47:41] <Subsentient> but you knew that
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[12:47:47] <Subsentient> ;^)
[12:47:52] <MrBluze> looking
[12:48:16] <Subsentient> It's a little bigger than most, and cyan is "the color of me", so, you get the rest.
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[12:49:07] <MrBluze> mm interesting
[12:49:08] <MrBluze> yes
[12:49:15] <MrBluze> well i have very high res displays
[12:49:44] <Subsentient> It seems a bit large until you put it on a scrollbar and realize it's not much bigger
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[12:50:00] <Robotron> anyone here?
[12:50:07] <MrBluze> yep we're here
[12:50:10] <Subsentient> $burrito Robotron
[12:50:10] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Robotron
[12:50:14] <MrBluze> welcome to the graveyard shift.. moohhahahhaa
[12:50:35] <Robotron> right now it's early evening here in Asia :)
[12:50:42] <Robotron> I miss burritos though
[12:50:43] <MrBluze> yeah 11pm her
[12:50:45] <MrBluze> +e
[12:50:50] <Subsentient> $burrito Robotron
[12:50:50] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Robotron
[12:50:50] <Subsentient> $burrito Robotron
[12:50:50] <Subsentient> $burrito Robotron
[12:50:51] <crutchy> 11pm here too
[12:50:51] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Robotron
[12:50:52] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Robotron
[12:50:53] <MrBluze> Robotron: where u at mate
[12:50:55] <Subsentient> Have smore!
[12:50:56] <Robotron> you're in Hawaii or...?
[12:51:02] <MrBluze> hey crutchy how r things??
[12:51:02] <crutchy> hi everybody
[12:51:06] <Robotron> provincial Philippines
[12:51:07] <MrBluze> Robotron: australia
[12:51:09] <Robotron> is where I am at
[12:51:17] <crutchy> had a bit of a snooze on the couch. i was wrecked
[12:51:18] <Robotron> ahh
[12:51:21] <MrBluze> nice, phils is nice - never been, but hey whatever ppl i know like it there
[12:51:35] <MrBluze> yeah me too crutchy
[12:51:39] <MrBluze> been on my feet all day
[12:51:56] <MrBluze> and im a bit over the whole whatever crisis after crisis stuff
[12:52:01] <Robotron> it's a fine place if you value good food and good climate over heaps of cash and stress :)
[12:52:09] <MrBluze> but all getting better.. nice to see some things come together
[12:52:16] <crutchy> i'm starting to see all that stuff as a big joke :-P
[12:52:17] <MrBluze> Robotron: exactly
[12:52:46] <MrBluze> crutchy: it is mostly, but dangling our domain name off a cliff like that is just nasty
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[12:52:59] <MrBluze> not much annoys me, but man that did
[12:53:01] <crutchy> i has no doubt done some damage
[12:53:10] * Subsentient is angry
[12:53:13] <crutchy> i doubt i'll make any serious contributions
[12:53:21] <MrBluze> i'd wait
[12:53:24] <Subsentient> HULK SMASH!!!
[12:53:26] <crutchy> soylent is sounding more and more like dice
[12:53:29] <MrBluze> i bought a few domains
[12:53:33] <crutchy> lol
[12:53:37] <crutchy> which ones
[12:53:44] <MrBluze> ;) wait n see lol
[12:53:47] <MrBluze> but thing is
[12:53:54] <Subsentient> midgetgerbiltentacleporn.xxx
[12:53:57] <MrBluze> the servers is fine, that's easily relocatable
[12:54:03] <MrBluze> its the domain name that ppl are using as bait
[12:54:10] <crutchy> someone way up yonder ^^^^ said something rather intelligent i thought
[12:54:18] <MrBluze> what did they say, crutchy?
[12:54:33] <MrBluze> Subsentient: .. how did u know ?? hmm
[12:54:37] <crutchy> something along the lines of "you should never buy domains while drinking" or something like that
[12:54:43] <MrBluze> lol yes
[12:54:56] <Subsentient> I'm the guy with no pants wearing the traffic cone, watching you from outside
[12:54:58] <crutchy> smart fellow whoever it was
[12:55:02] <Robotron> in a month this will all be behind us...there's still what? 3 to 4 months before Beta goes universal?
[12:55:02] <MrBluze> lol ok
[12:55:02] <crutchy> lol
[12:55:07] <MrBluze> hey i know u from somewhere
[12:55:11] <Robotron> Sub: lol
[12:55:14] <MrBluze> lol
[12:55:24] <MrBluze> are u stilll webchatting crutchy?
[12:55:43] <MrBluze> i just bought 4 domains ... they were too good to pass up
[12:55:49] <MrBluze> even if nobody wants em i'll use em for something
[12:56:02] <crutchy> i unblocked our bath drain tonight, and i got my missus to fill up the bath a bit and pull the plug out when i got outside to see the water running through the drain cover mound thingy outside
[12:56:20] <MrBluze> ohh
[12:56:23] <crutchy> she opened the window and i went outside and popped up and the window and told her to call me tom
[12:56:38] <crutchy> mr peeping tom
[12:56:41] <MrBluze> lmao
[12:56:42] <crutchy> :-P
[12:56:55] <MrBluze> i use those bio-enzyme granule things for the drains .. works a treat
[12:56:58] <MrBluze> but it's slow
[12:57:02] <crutchy> braino
[12:57:06] <crutchy> lol i mean draino
[12:57:12] <crutchy> i need some braino
[12:57:13] <MrBluze> nah, its organic or soemthing
[12:57:23] <MrBluze> non toxic safe for septics that kinda thing
[12:57:30] <crutchy> unclog my circuitry
[12:57:33] <crutchy> mkay
[12:57:40] <crutchy> i heard that you can make your own too
[12:57:44] <MrBluze> yeah u can
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[12:57:48] <MrBluze> i dunno how though
[12:57:54] <crutchy> i just used an unravelled wire coathanger
[12:57:55] <MrBluze> im too dumb for that
[12:58:18] <crutchy> i just can't get enough of poking around in wet holes
[12:59:00] <MrBluze> lol .. its only natural
[12:59:28] <MrBluze> anyway i like this icon set.. though cyan is kinda not my color but still, quite ok set
[12:59:31] <crutchy> i dropped that one earlier before mentioning i cleaned a drain but someone immediately came back with something about my nose, which i walked right into :-P
[12:59:45] <MrBluze> yeah i saw that
[12:59:45] <Subsentient> MrBluze: Thanks!
[12:59:47] <MrBluze> today was funny in here
[12:59:56] <MrBluze> i was pissing myself laughing .. whilst on the job .. a bit embarrasing
[12:59:58] <Subsentient> It was all really simple basic geometrics in gimp :^3
[13:00:01] <MrBluze> brb watering horse
[13:00:15] <crutchy> watering horse!?
[13:01:22] <MrBluze> yeah dunny break
[13:01:39] <MrBluze> slight exaggeration
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[13:02:37] <MrBluze> u know, crutchy, i can never get past the thought that soylent .. reminds me of scum in the stagnant water of a drainpipe
[13:03:44] <MrBluze> there's gonna be a vote on new names soon i hope
[13:03:55] <MrBluze> 14 names so far
[13:05:56] <crutchy> did you see the hashnews.org one i mentioned earlier?
[13:05:59] <crutchy> #news
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[13:06:42] <MrBluze> is it available
[13:06:44] <MrBluze> has someone got it?
[13:06:48] <MrBluze> i like hashnews
[13:06:56] <crutchy> it's available according to melbourne it
[13:06:58] <crutchy> http://www.melbourneit.com.au
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[13:07:19] <MrBluze> it is .. hmm
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[13:07:35] <MrBluze> did u get the ones i bought crutchy?
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[13:09:21] <crutchy> i actually contemplated grabbing it but i don't have $120 odd
[13:09:29] <crutchy> my wife would kill me if i did :-P
[13:09:35] <crutchy> nah i didn't see yours
[13:09:49] <MrBluze> oh lol
[13:09:51] <MrBluze> it's $8
[13:09:53] <MrBluze> not $120
[13:10:01] <crutchy> $8?
[13:10:09] <crutchy> where from?
[13:10:11] <MrBluze> www.transip.eu
[13:10:17] <MrBluze> well $8 euro .. ok it's like $10 then
[13:10:22] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Man Gets 14 Years For 'Lasing' a Helicopter - http://sylnt.us - it-was-only-a-matter-of-time
[13:10:26] <MrBluze> or maybe 12
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[13:10:34] <MrBluze> i dunno but not much more than a britney spears CD
[13:10:46] <crutchy> wow
[13:11:11] <crutchy> everything fucking too expensive in this damn country
[13:11:24] <MrBluze> yeah it is
[13:12:13] <crutchy> although i'm guessing melbourne it prolly throw in a goody basket as well, like hosting and support
[13:12:21] <MrBluze> xlefay was good at finding cheap stuff for me
[13:12:23] <crutchy> my work uses melbourne it
[13:12:25] <crutchy> lol
[13:12:25] <MrBluze> yeah they do
[13:12:36] <crutchy> he's pretty switched on ol' xlefay
[13:12:38] <MrBluze> melbourne it is like harvey normal -- expensive as fluke
[13:12:44] <crutchy> lol
[13:12:45] <MrBluze> yeah he's orrite actually
[13:13:23] <crutchy> where was the ones you bought?
[13:13:39] <crutchy> i mentioned a shitload more that were available ^^^^^^ too
[13:13:50] <MrBluze> well thing is
[13:13:55] <MrBluze> oh
[13:14:36] <MrBluze> i bought em a little bit earlier on
[13:14:50] <MrBluze> yesterday at some point when it became apparent we were up the creek
[13:15:06] <MrBluze> i figured i better get something quick smart just in case
[13:15:12] <crutchy> bangnews.org
[13:15:14] <crutchy> geeklair.org
[13:15:18] <crutchy> nerdlair.org
[13:15:20] <MrBluze> geeklair i saw that
[13:15:21] <MrBluze> yeah
[13:15:27] <crutchy> i think all 3 of those were available
[13:15:30] <MrBluze> bangnews
[13:15:36] <MrBluze> geekcard
[13:15:40] <MrBluze> baconnews
[13:15:41] <crutchy> is a bang a !?
[13:15:44] <crutchy> lol
[13:15:48] <crutchy> bacon
[13:15:49] <soycowVnext> bangnews sounds like a fansite of bangbus
[13:15:51] <crutchy> bacon++
[13:15:51] <BendingUnit> karma - bacon: 156
[13:15:58] <crutchy> lmao
[13:16:26] <crutchy> well sex does sell
[13:16:28] <MrBluze> geekcard i like, .. better ahnd in your geek card if u dont know why that's agood one
[13:16:29] <bryn> not sure about bangnews lol
[13:16:34] <MrBluze> bacon.xxx
[13:16:42] <MrBluze> bacon.sexy
[13:16:51] <crutchy> i think my brain was thinking !news
[13:16:55] <bryn> news.geek
[13:17:02] <crutchy> but now it's dropped into the gutter
[13:17:04] <crutchy> :-P
[13:17:22] <MrBluze> lol yes
[13:17:46] <crutchy> i was going through all the shift chars along the number keys and adding news :-P
[13:18:03] <crutchy> ooh didn't try all of them though
[13:18:09] <crutchy> tildenews :-P
[13:18:14] <crutchy> carotnews
[13:18:19] <crutchy> hahaha
[13:18:30] <crutchy> fek i'm whacked
[13:18:44] <crutchy> brb gotta go make kiddywinks lunched for skool tomoz
[13:18:52] <crutchy> s/lunched/lunches/
[13:18:52] <SedBot> <crutchy> brb gotta go make kiddywinks lunches for skool tomoz
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[13:19:58] <MrBluze> brb
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[13:30:10] <MrBluze> back
[13:30:18] <MrBluze> i looekd for tildenews
[13:30:26] <MrBluze> and i did all that .. keyboard etc
[13:30:31] <MrBluze> short of applekey
[13:31:12] <soycowVnext> ctrlaltnews man
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[13:34:44] <MrBluze> is that one available?
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[13:36:05] <soycowVnext> the .org is
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[13:37:30] <MrBluze> hm.. interesting
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[13:43:37] <Tachyon> .karma BaconTree
[13:43:42] <Tachyon> !karma BaconTree
[13:43:42] <BendingUnit> bacontree doesn't have karma yet.
[13:44:20] <crutchy> bacontree++
[13:44:20] <BendingUnit> karma - bacontree: 1
[13:44:26] <crutchy> does now :-P
[13:44:56] <Tachyon> what is the name of the guy that blackmailed us?
[13:45:07] <Tachyon> barbara ass ?
[13:45:07] <Tachyon> :D
[13:45:30] <Tachyon> !current-uid
[13:45:30] <BendingUnit> The current maximum UID is 3750, owned by malmostoso
[13:45:34] <_dx3bydt3> assbarber?
[13:45:45] <Tachyon> !karma assbarber
[13:45:45] <BendingUnit> assbarber doesn't have karma yet.
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[14:06:37] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> MOO
[14:06:46] <MrBluze|zzz> moo
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[14:07:21] <crutchy> assbarrab-- is the new poutine
[14:07:21] <BendingUnit> karma - assbarrab: -1
[14:07:52] <crutchy> hmm
[14:07:55] <crutchy> poutine--
[14:07:55] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -285
[14:08:00] <crutchy> lol holy shit
[14:08:30] <mattie_p> morning, soylentils
[14:08:39] <mattie_p> what is up
[14:08:40] <crutchy> !who-down poutine
[14:08:47] <crutchy> !whodown poutine
[14:08:47] <BendingUnit> downers of poutine are: kobach: -105, crutchy: -27, xlefay: -22, FoobarBazbot_: -17, stderr: -13, andrew: -12, Khyber: -11, mattie_p: -11, mrcoolbp: -10, FoobarBazbot: -8, swiss: -7, pbnjoe: -6, FatPhil: -6, drcoolbp: -6, paulej72: -4, stdhell: -4, amblivious: -3, swisskid: -3, FunPika: -2, melikamp: -2, MrBluze: -2, mattiep: -2, arti: -2, Barrabas: -2, drgibbon: -2, - 1 more
[14:09:04] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> rise and grind, mattie p rise and grind
[14:09:04] <crutchy> lol kobach really doesn't like poutine :-P
[14:09:13] <crutchy> hey mattie_p
[14:09:22] <mattie_p> just having my morning coffee
[14:09:33] <crutchy> haha i'm about to curl up in bed
[14:09:39] <crutchy> for the night
[14:09:42] * CHALLNGEACCPTD has dozens of payroll budgets to key today :/
[14:10:05] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> -key +import
[14:10:07] <crutchy> cya soylentils
[14:10:14] <mattie_p> see you later, crutchy
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[14:10:18] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> night crutchy
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[14:18:46] <weeds> morning mattie_p: whats news?
[14:19:22] <mattie_p> news is that I have coffee, it is another day, and SoylentNews is between crisises
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[14:21:41] <weeds> mattie_p: all good!
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[14:22:20] <mattie_p> weeds sure is
[14:23:07] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> black or with milk cream sugar mattie p?
[14:24:30] <mattie_p> black with sugar
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[14:24:59] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> pure
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[14:26:02] <Robotron> hey Mattie
[14:26:36] <weeds> mattie_p: although that "between" is a little forboding
[14:27:00] <mattie_p> hi, Robotron
[14:27:05] <mattie_p> weeds, what between?
[14:28:21] <Robotron> sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting on Sunday morning, I had a family commitment - then I heard about this kicking off
[14:28:46] <Robotron> hopefully things will be stable before long
[14:28:55] <weeds> "Soylentnews is between crisises""
[14:29:19] <mattie_p> weeds ahh, I don't know of any pending, but I just assume after the past few weeks there will be one
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[14:29:56] <SoyCow65234> Crises keep things interesting
[14:30:42] <mattie_p> Yup.
[14:30:51] <weeds> a reasonable assumption, I'm hoping with lessons learned it's handled much more easily...
[14:30:53] <mattie_p> Well I'm off to take care of some things, bbl
[14:31:03] <weeds> later
[14:31:06] <Robotron> later
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[14:36:12] <NezSez> anymore news since #staff met with "matt" yesterday afternoon?
[14:37:41] <tecnomo> i am new to the rc world what does the "==" by user names denote
[14:37:41] <Robotron> apparently not, Mattie was just here and hadn't much to share re. the site
[14:40:08] <Cactus> tecnomo: Not 100% sure, but I think you are talking about the join/leave messages.
[14:40:56] <NezSez> ah, thnx robotron
[14:41:10] <NezSez> i remember that arcade game :)
[14:42:07] <SoyCow65234> Too bad "matt" isn't mattie_p
[14:42:09] <Robotron> haha, yeah it was one of the first I played
[14:43:00] <NezSez> it was the first I believe to have one control for movement, and one for targeting
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[14:44:22] <NezSez> SC65234: yeah, but some of the staff said that this matt seemed nice and reasonable so I think we are in good shape
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[14:44:38] <Robotron> ever see that movie 'A Fistful of Quarters' ? :)
[14:45:10] <NezSez> Robo: uhm, was that a spaghetti western from the 70's or so?
[14:45:32] <NezSez> Robo: or maybe that was "A fistful of dollars"
[14:45:35] <Robotron> haha, it's a play on that
[14:45:53] <NezSez> robo: oh wait....is it that documentary about the Donkey Kong champs?
[14:45:55] <Robotron> it's a film about two guys competing for the Donkey Kong arcade world record
[14:45:57] <Robotron> yeah
[14:46:05] <NezSez> yeah I remember that
[14:46:41] <NezSez> I never saw it, even when it was on netflix
[14:46:48] <Robotron> pretty outdated these days; apparently the record has been broken and broken again since it came out
[14:47:12] <Robotron> still a decent retrospective on arcade culture though
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[14:48:16] <weeds> (sshhh he's here)
[14:48:22] <NezSez> greetings NC
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[14:48:47] <SoyCow65234> Hi ncdr
[14:48:51] <NezSez> I hope you got some decent sleep after yesterday NC
[14:50:08] <weeds> good morning NC
[14:50:19] <lhnn> good morning all
[14:50:30] <Robotron> morning
[14:50:40] <SoyCow65234> Just outta curiosity, what were you doing in a mac store? That was funny
[14:51:05] <NezSez> morning lhnn
[14:51:38] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - US Fed Court Seizes Domains and Funds of DVDFab - http://sylnt.us - whack-a-mole
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[14:52:11] <SoyCow65234> Lol whack-a-mole dept
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[14:52:47] <weeds> So NC, mattie_p gave a good report this AM. Seems it's all quiet on the Western front?
[14:53:15] <SoyCow65234> The crowd wants more bloodshed
[14:53:29] <SoyCow65234> We need it :-p
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[14:54:21] <SoyCow65234> Everyone's prolly just reloading ;-)
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[15:01:10] <TME520> Good (ugt) morning
[15:01:44] <Cactus> Greetings, TME520/
[15:01:47] <kobach> hi
[15:03:00] <NezSez> morning TME
[15:04:36] <lhnn> So this is what the channel is like on a normal day
[15:04:55] <lhnn> Everyone went back to work
[15:05:18] <NezSez> that, or all the action is in #staff
[15:05:27] <Cactus> Give it an hour or two. It may wake up.
[15:05:46] <weeds> NC is here - just working I suppose
[15:07:08] <kobach> rofl @ "action in #staff"
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[15:07:24] <kobach> hi marty
[15:07:36] <martyb> kobach: hiya!
[15:07:48] <martyb> is there an editor here? typo on latest story.
[15:07:56] <kobach> not that i know of
[15:08:03] <Cactus> Whatcha got, martyb ?
[15:08:11] <martyb> missing leading letter "A" in: "s one might expect, a new mirror is already up and running.""
[15:08:13] <weeds> "A"s
[15:08:14] <NezSez> eheheh kobach; doesn't sound good if you pronounce it as "pound" huh
[15:08:28] <martyb> that's in: http://slashcott.org
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[15:09:08] <NezSez> "action in pound staff" sounds like a porno
[15:09:37] <martyb> NezSez: or, as a command: go pound staff
[15:09:42] <Cactus> martyb: Fixed!
[15:09:44] <Landon> hehe
[15:09:50] <NezSez> lol
[15:09:50] <martyb> Cactus: muchos gracias!
[15:09:51] <Landon> I always interpret # in the context of IRC as "at"
[15:09:58] <Landon> "action in at-staff"
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[15:10:47] <martyb> Cactus: got another: "the licensing outfit founder by " s/b "the licensing outfit foundeD by "
[15:11:35] <Cactus> Also fixed
[15:11:57] <martyb> Cactus: otoh, all "its" and "it's" look correct!
[15:12:08] * martyb notes that is a pet peeve of his
[15:12:08] <lhnn> octothorpe taff
[15:12:10] <lhnn> staff
[15:12:21] <martyb> gesundheit!
[15:12:56] <NezSez> lhnn: that would sound *really* bad
[15:13:24] <Cactus> Tentacle-porn-sounding
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[15:16:38] <janrinok> hi guys, sup?
[15:16:55] <Cactus> Mornin' Jan.
[15:17:08] <janrinok> Morning (afternoon) to you too
[15:17:45] <janrinok> A quieter day than yesterday, I think!
[15:17:59] <Cactus> So far.
[15:18:11] <janrinok> lol - you don't sound too hopeful
[15:18:36] <Cactus> Maybe I'll do something work-related while I'm at work today.
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[15:18:45] <janrinok> even more lol!
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[15:19:06] <janrinok> hairymarmite: now that is a name to conjure with?!
[15:19:16] <martyb> janrinok: g'day!
[15:19:19] <Cactus> I'd hate to set a precedent, though.
[15:19:23] <janrinok> martyb: hi
[15:19:42] <goodi> hey guys I've been refreshing the homepage for a while now. Any news on the talks with the buyer of the domain or the next move you want to make?
[15:19:45] <janrinok> Cactus: start slowly, maybe finish something in a day or two
[15:19:50] <martyb> janrinok: thanks for sending out the e-mail; you raised some good points
[15:20:14] <janrinok> not universally greeted with praise but I felt that I had to say it.
[15:20:45] <janrinok> The world is no different today than yesterday, there wasn't as much rush required as we thought...
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[15:20:53] <hairymarmite> just catching up with events
[15:20:56] <martyb> understood. I respect a wo/man who can voice, and stand behind, theirprinciples.
[15:21:29] <hairymarmite> some say I look like I sound
[15:21:46] <goodi> hope you don't smell like it too ;)
[15:22:05] <hairymarmite> couldn't possibly comment...
[15:22:06] <janrinok> goodi: no change yet, but things are in train. Unfortunately, when you go outside the community, things tend to go at the pace of dripping marmite!
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[15:22:34] <janrinok> hairymarmite: managed to get a reference in there, you see?
[15:22:34] <goodi> janrinok: ok thanks, I feel flattered by that btw ;)
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[15:23:35] <hairymarmite> janrinrok: noted
[15:23:53] <hairymarmite> janrinrok: thanks
[15:24:19] <janrinok> NCommander needs to take it easy as well. The poor guy is going to be frazzled if he keeps going at this rate.
[15:24:55] <goodi> agreed
[15:24:55] <hairymarmite> Does it look like the current domain is being kept? Or is that still up for the debate?
[15:25:38] <janrinok> Still up for debate I believe, as promised. But I think that we are safe for a short while. /me crosses fingers
[15:26:25] <janrinok> The big fear yesterday was the site could disappear or be held to ransom, neither of which seem likely today.
[15:26:53] <goodi> janrinok: glad to hear that
[15:26:59] * NCommander appears as a bunch of disassembled LEGO bricks
[15:27:08] <Cactus> I think names are still being collected, and we are still putting it to a community vote.
[15:27:09] <NCommander> you can say I've gone to pieces
[15:27:33] <janrinok> NCommander: no you are fine, just need to rest that's all
[15:27:59] <NCommander> janrinok, */hope so*
[15:28:08] <janrinok> It's not as black as it might appear to you at the moment. Honest!
[15:28:14] <goodi> it's a long distance run guys, not a short track run
[15:28:22] <goodi> pace yourselves
[15:28:55] <martyb> NCommander: hiya! and ^^^^
[15:28:58] <goodi> do you have an overall list of items prioritized with some sort of deadline, if anything like should have been done already, nice to have etc.?
[15:29:05] <janrinok> You have had the short straw for the last 2 weeks minimum and borne the brunt of whatever effort was required. Let others share the load and put your feet up for a day or two.
[15:29:31] <martyb> janrinok: agreed.
[15:29:40] <goodi> because the site runs fine, it's admin stuff that needs to be sorted out now
[15:29:40] <NCommander> janrinok, can't do that. Government requires I wear socks at all time less the smell kill someone
[15:30:09] <janrinok> lol - that's the right type of answer, the sort I was hoping for!
[15:30:22] <goodi> shows he\s still doing ok ;)
[15:30:27] <janrinok> Don't do an RMS on us all
[15:30:29] <martyb> from my perspective, a useful step might be to identify *all* places in the UI and the DB where "soylentnews" appears so we can more readily handle a site move.
[15:31:00] <goodi> again, if you guys need a hand for the db stuff, I could help out (even in RO to simply identify stuff for now)
[15:31:17] <goodi> query the info schema and return a list of objects and data that have that embedded in them
[15:31:29] <goodi> then figure out a script by object/data type to update it
[15:32:01] <goodi> this stuff MUST be scripted to make sure it goes everywhere
[15:32:10] <janrinok> goodi: I think MrBluze|zzz is coordinating the volunteers but, as you can see from his nick, not presently...
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[15:32:24] <goodi> I guess to ;)
[15:32:30] <janrinok> brb
[15:32:33] <goodi> I'll email the volunteer email about that then
[15:33:46] <kobach> hi janrinok
[15:34:53] <goodi> done
[15:35:19] <goodi> great, the email does not work...
[15:35:35] <lhnn> SHARE THE LOAD
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[15:36:18] <goodi> Guess I'll pm MrBluze
[15:36:59] <janrinok> MrBluze|zzz: is sleeping!
[15:37:02] <goodi> I know
[15:37:17] <goodi> but the volunteer email bounces back...
[15:37:22] <Cactus> goodi: I think he was on his way to bed, about an hour ago. He probably wont get back to you for a while.
[15:37:28] <goodi> all good
[15:37:35] <janrinok> ha, a cruel streak.
[15:37:53] <goodi> I don't have a problem with that. I mean the msg is there and if he wants he can contact me back
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[15:41:47] <Subsentient> Well, I'm off to cover my testicles in peanut butter and block traffic in the nude.
[15:41:50] <martyb> goodi: what e-mail addy are you trying to use?
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[15:42:28] <goodi> volunteer@soylentnews.org
[15:42:33] <goodi> the one up on the webchat window
[15:43:13] <martyb> goodi: k. hold on
[15:44:01] <drcoolbp> goodi: hey there
[15:44:17] <drcoolbp> sorry about that, we are still trying to set things up
[15:44:21] <drcoolbp> .op
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[15:44:28] <goodi> no worries
[15:44:40] <drcoolbp> email me directly mrcoobp@soylentnews.org
[15:44:44] <goodi> k
[15:45:37] <goodi> drcoolbp: done
[15:45:45] <drcoolbp> thank you!
[15:45:53] <goodi> bounced too damn
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[15:46:34] <goodi> lemme try from another account maybe?
[15:46:57] * CHALLNGEACCPTD had way too long of a morning IT mtg
[15:47:27] <Cactus> That bounced too?
[15:47:46] <goodi> yeah let me try from my work acct and not a hotmail one
[15:48:11] <goodi> here is the log from the msg: Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.1.1 <mrcoobp@soylentnews.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[15:48:17] <derp> mrcoobp@soylentnews.org missing l typo?
[15:48:23] <goodi> ah maybe
[15:48:38] <drcoolbp> not dr.
[15:48:43] <drcoolbp> sorry about that = )
[15:49:07] <martyb> yes, typo: should be: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org
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[15:49:35] <goodi> quick: how many IT guyes does it take to send an email ;) ?
[15:49:44] <goodi> ok looks like it went through
[15:49:55] <Cactus> Woo!
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[15:50:05] <martyb> goodi: oh goodi! <grin>
[15:50:09] <goodi> hey guys... I just sent an email... a fucking email!
[15:50:15] <goodi> can you believe it ;) ?
[15:50:22] <BendingUnit> [SoylentNews] - Elephants Can Tell Human Ethnicity by our Voices - http://sylnt.us - Man-is-in-the-forest
[15:51:01] <Cactus> goodi: Remember when email was new, and it felt like that every time? Even better was *getting* an email.
[15:51:15] <goodi> Cactus: I know, those were the good times :)
[15:53:13] <goodi> alright guys I'm off to eat... BACON! lol see you around and drcoolbp, email me back if i can be of assistance
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[15:59:19] <kobach> NCommander: sleep
[15:59:40] <kobach> everyone else, talk more
[15:59:42] <kobach> sup Cactus
[16:00:01] * kobach hands martyb some bacon
[16:00:04] <kobach> bacon++
[16:00:04] <BendingUnit> karma - bacon: 157
[16:00:09] <kobach> !whoup bacon
[16:00:09] <BendingUnit> uppers of bacon are: kobach: 50, stderr: 44, xlefay: 13, mattie_p: 11, crutchy: 9, Alberto: 5, pbnjoe: 5, Marneus68: 3, juggs: 3, TheMightyBuzzard: 2, Konomi: 2, FoobarBazbot: 2, stdhell: 2, martyb: 1, FatPhil: 1, hax0rz: 1, keick: 1, useless: 1, n1: 1, pbnjoe|afk: 1
[16:01:22] <drcoolbp> kobach, I could really use some right now....
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[16:03:25] <martyb> kobach: g'day! how ya doin?
[16:03:54] <kobach> .topic SoylentNews is LIVE people, so spread the word! https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Forums: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org | http://sylnt.us
[16:03:55] BaconTree changed topic of #Soylent to: SoylentNews is LIVE people, so spread the word! https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Forums: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org | http://sylnt.us
[16:04:06] <kobach> hi martyb
[16:04:09] <kobach> not bad
[16:04:15] <drcoolbp> lol I was ABOUT to change the topic
[16:04:18] <drcoolbp> thanks whoever
[16:04:20] <drcoolbp> = 0
[16:04:35] <drcoolbp> oh thanks kobach
[16:04:38] <kobach> lol
[16:04:46] <drcoolbp> = )
[16:04:52] * drcoolbp is still waking up a bit
[16:04:59] <martyb> kobach: "not bad" is good, no?
[16:04:59] <drcoolbp> BRB
[16:05:12] <kobach> yes
[16:05:36] <kobach> going to make some baconthis morning
[16:05:37] <martyb> meta-referential english, what's not to like?
[16:05:38] <kobach> and eatsome cereal
[16:06:47] <kobach> and its going to be good
[16:06:55] <kobach> because today its actually going to be warm
[16:06:58] <kobach> its 18c right now
[16:07:05] <kobach> supposed to get up to 25
[16:07:13] <kobach> outrageous, spring is finally here
[16:07:32] <kobach> until tonight, when it snows
[16:07:35] <kobach> lol
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[16:08:03] <kobach> hi robinld
[16:08:57] <GeGs> ola.
[16:09:23] <ancientt> I need an AC button for IRC.
[16:09:31] <kobach> ?
[16:09:53] <drcoolbp> lol
[16:10:02] <drcoolbp> just join as AC12332553
[16:10:26] <ancientt> heh
[16:10:28] <kobach> type /nick asspiss
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[16:10:36] * drcoolbp needs breakfast, all this bacon talk has got him hungry
[16:10:54] <kobach> same
[16:11:00] <kobach> except i dont feel like getting up yet
[16:11:22] <AC12332553> I don't want to come across as negative or be associated with criticism, but I have some dissatisfaction that I want to voice. I have tried to stay away from Slashdot (yes, I said it, I refuse to fear words) but I need more news than I'm getting from SN. I love SN but it just isn't bringing me enough
[16:12:38] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> * holds hands and sings KumBaYah
[16:12:42] <AC12332553> So now I'm asking whether getting more stories on SN is worth pushing for. On the one hand, I don't want fluff pieces. We've already had enough of those and certainly don't need to go down the road dice.com did, but on the other hand, I am going to slashdot because I want to read about things that are there and aren't on Soylent and I don't like that.
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[16:13:05] * kobach holds hands with CHALLNGEACCPTD and sings KumBaYah
[16:13:08] <GeGs> every beginning is difficult
[16:13:24] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> AC12332553: are you submitting stories to SN also?
[16:13:36] <AC12332553> And that's the other thing, SN is what, weeks old now? How soon is it reasonable to expect more stories?
[16:14:23] <AC12332553> CHALLNGEACCPTD: I did very early on, but my submissions are rarely accepted and I don't like to adjust my writing style to the style that is popular and more likely to be accepted. I *could* if I thougth it was worth it
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[16:16:01] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> AC12332553: well with a more...cleansed team in place, hopefully you won't experience that again upon submission
[16:16:10] <Cactus> AC12332553: Things have changed a bit since the beginning. Try submitting a few stories.
[16:17:04] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ^
[16:18:28] <Cactus> AC12332553: Things *did* sit and go stale in the queue in the beginning, but things are much better now.
[16:19:21] <AC12332553> Cactus: I think I may follow your advice. I only ever got one story on /. so this might be the better time and place.
[16:19:23] <Cactus> We are still very much guided by submissions, so please - Try submitting again. We won't know what you guys are looking for in news as well as YOU guys will know. The more you can submit, the better we can get at this.
[16:21:08] <janrinok> I can only stress what Cactus has just written. As editors we can only edit what is submitted. I put a call out yesterday for more submissions. Only a very small percentage of members actually ever submit a story.
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[16:22:04] <AC12332553> thanks for the feedback, it does make me feel a little better
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[16:22:11] <martyb> AC12332553: I never had a story accepted on /. but I've had two accepted here...
[16:22:15] <janrinok> If you do, and it is not accepted, we are also trying to let the submitter know WHY is was not included. There may be many reasons for this but, currently, we try not to print a story that has already gone out on any of the 3 other sites.
[16:23:02] <ancientt> not gone out on any of the other 3 sites? That would explain why I'm having to go there for the discussions
[16:23:05] <janrinok> The story may be good, but we do not want to be accused of copying stories from elsewhere. We need more original material.
[16:24:03] <janrinok> ancientt: by that I mean a copy of their story. Some stories are submitted to more than one site. If they are accepted by another, it looks as if we are copying their material.
[16:24:03] <ancientt> The news is the news, we are a competitor. I'm okay with taking it easy for a while, but if you only print what isn't on the other pages, then you're missing most of the news that matters.
[16:24:23] <ancientt> ohhh, copy of text? Yeah, that's totally no-go
[16:24:33] <ancientt> (didn't even occur to me)
[16:24:49] <nobbis> which are the other 3 sites
[16:25:02] <Cactus> ancientt: Yeah, we have ad submissions that are word-for-word the same as /. and |.
[16:25:02] <janrinok> We will cover the same story - as you say, we are in competition.
[16:25:12] <Cactus> and Technocrat
[16:25:30] <janrinok> nobbis: Slashdot, pipedot and technocrat, although the latter hasn't been much of a problem for us.
[16:25:36] <nobbis> thx
[16:26:01] <Cactus> Yeah... anyone know what's up w/ Technocrat? They've been averaging less than a story per day, I think.
[16:26:05] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> this was linked at SN yesterday as a competitor also http://squte.com
[16:26:53] <janrinok> That's a new one for me! OK, the other 4 sites....
[16:26:56] <nobbis> but i dont want to click on slashdotfuckbeta, they might think i like the place
[16:27:33] <martyb> It may come to pass that a "topic" is/was covered at another site, but is still of interest to our community. just can't be a *clone* of what the other had. independent reporting of the same "event", if you will.
[16:27:47] <ancientt> I like that tagline "gossip for geeks"
[16:27:49] <nobbis> ah cool thanks
[16:27:59] <GungnirSniper> Is there a way to see the text of a rejected or pending submission?
[16:28:54] <martyb> if a reporter from the "New York Post" shows up at a, say, crime scene, does that block the New York Times from reporting on it, too?
[16:29:26] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> martyb: only if he looks over the Post's shoulder as he writes his copy...
[16:30:52] <kilobyte> eew... that squte.com site doesn't strike me as something worth reading, after a glance at topics they cover
[16:30:55] <martyb> CHALLNGEACCPTD: agreed.
[16:31:14] <nobbis> martyb: as if journalists go to crime scenes anymore
[16:32:30] <Cactus> Twitter has that part covered!
[16:32:39] <nobbis> xactly
[16:33:06] <martyb> interesting. covered, maybe, but possibly slanted by the twit's viewpoint/bias/etc.
[16:33:07] <NezSez> journalists work at crime scenes now...phone tapping, bribery etc :)
[16:33:31] <martyb> hey all, need to check out for a bit. later!
[16:33:35] <NezSez> they don't even have to leave the office
[16:33:42] <Cactus> NezSez: Hah
[16:33:46] <NezSez> adios martyb
[16:33:47] <janrinok> nobbis: I like your Blue-ray story - it'll be out in a while.
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[16:33:58] <nobbis> janrinok: cheers
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[16:38:49] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> w b FB
[16:39:53] <nobbis> eeek anyone else lost the site ?
[16:40:20] <janrinok> nobbis: no, its fine for me
[16:40:23] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> oh snap, I just did
[16:40:34] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> OpenDNS locked here
[16:40:39] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> * is at work
[16:40:45] * CHALLNGEACCPTD is at work
[16:41:08] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> site switchover?
[16:42:18] * nobbis kills browser, says a prayer to FSM...
[16:42:28] <Cactus> I have it still.
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[16:42:46] <janrinok> We are looking at it - it is not widespread, yet.
[16:42:52] <nobbis> no good,http://li694-22.members.linode.com/ works tho
[16:43:20] <kobach> THAR SHE BLOWS
[16:43:21] <kobach> afk
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[16:43:50] <Cactus> Looking in to it now
[16:44:08] <bryn> She gone now? :(
[16:44:14] <drcoolbp> we are looking into it folks please stand by
[16:44:36] <nobbis> in the meantime .. poutine--
[16:44:45] * CHALLNGEACCPTD panics and runs around MOOING
[16:44:51] <nobbis> lol
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[16:45:17] <NezSez> i'm having no problems geting to soylentnews.org
[16:46:00] <Cactus> Ok. NezSez - You are appointed to give a recount of all comments posted, so everyone in RIC can still keep up with the worlds news.
[16:46:06] <Cactus> IRC*
[16:46:12] <SoyCow7359> hi, i do have problems
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[16:46:27] <NezSez> doh, spoke too soon
[16:46:38] <bryn> heh
[16:47:27] <FoobarBazbot> well, this is no way to start a morning...
[16:47:39] <NezSez> it was working while I was refreshing via the top left soylent link , soon as I did a shift-refresh in the browser itself no can findey
[16:47:57] <Cactus> Well, the http://li694-22.members.linode.com still works while we are figuring this out.
[16:47:58] <janrinok> try the linode link above ^
[16:48:05] <drcoolbp> http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[16:48:16] * nobbis goes to make cup of tea, that fixes most things
[16:48:16] * FoobarBazbot_ pokes a line in his hosts file
[16:48:55] <NezSez> nobbis's linode link won't look up for me either (on comcast in MI)
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[16:50:31] <NezSez> the linode.com link doesn't resolv but doesn't fail either (just keeps trying, no timeout)
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[16:50:51] <wjwlsn> just tried http://www.coolculture.net ... gishzida set it up as a redirect yesterday. it started to resolve, my tab says SoylentNews, but it's hung
[16:50:51] <janrinok> Can you try the original site url again and let me know how it goes
[16:51:11] <Marneus68> Hmm
[16:51:14] <nobbis> nope
[16:51:17] <Marneus68> is there something wrong with the site ?
[16:51:23] <NezSez> 503 error
[16:51:28] <janrinok> We are looking at it!
[16:51:31] <weeds> soylentnews.org is service unavailable 503
[16:51:39] <nobbis> both links dont work
[16:51:43] <drcoolbp> try this
[16:51:43] <weeds> just giving details
[16:51:43] <drcoolbp> http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[16:51:50] * CHALLNGEACCPTD suggests an IRC banner change
[16:51:53] <NezSez> janrinok: varnish cache server
[16:51:55] <weeds> linode is 503 too
[16:51:59] <Marneus68> the linode gives a 503
[16:52:02] <drcoolbp> okay STAND BY PEOPLE
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[16:52:13] <weeds> standing by :)
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[16:52:22] <weeds> stand by
[16:52:35] <Marneus68> Blue leader standing by ?
[16:52:36] * CHALLNGEACCPTD stands around chewing his cud and looking cute
[16:52:47] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> -cute +bovine
[16:52:51] <NezSez> "let me know how it goes"
[16:53:06] <nobbis> bovine++
[16:53:06] <BendingUnit> karma - bovine: 1
[16:53:18] <Cactus> CHALLNGEACCPTD: I've never understood how people think cows are cute.
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[16:53:50] <FoobarBazbot> 198.58.127.22 soylentnews.org in my hosts doesn't help, I just get 503, Guru Meditation XID: 1060599652
[16:53:59] <NezSez> they've obviously never had to clean up after them!
[16:54:00] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Cactus: thus my word change, I grew up with the destructive things
[16:54:12] <Marneus68> cute ? no. But tasty.
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[16:54:26] * martyb notes we Soyled ourselves
[16:54:28] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> NezSez: agreed, hot Alabama summers never helped
[16:54:34] * FoobarBazbot looks for people, stands by them.
[16:54:39] <SoyCow5151> is soylentnews.org down?
[16:54:48] <drcoolbp> yes
[16:54:50] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> yes
[16:54:51] <drcoolbp> we are working on it
[16:54:57] <SoyCow5151> ok..
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[16:55:04] <SoyCow5151> is barabas angry?
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[16:55:14] <nobbis> haha
[16:55:25] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> water is also wet
[16:55:27] <NezSez> times like this i wish i had one of those http tracing plugins installed
[16:55:34] <FoobarBazbot> poutine-- he probably soaked the server in stale gravy or something
[16:55:34] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -286
[16:55:48] <so-lent-nus> is soylentnews.org currently down?
[16:55:52] <SoyCow5151> yeah
[16:55:55] <Cactus> I wish I had some gravy
[16:55:56] <weeds> stand by
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[16:56:03] * nobbis stands by
[16:56:09] <weeds> stand by
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[16:56:19] * CHALLNGEACCPTD stands by nobbis standing by
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[16:56:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> Someone set us up the bomb?
[16:56:30] <weeds> everytime a new person joins...
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[16:56:39] <martyb> PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: WE ARE AWARE THAT SOYLENTNEWS.ORG IS DOWN. WE ARE WORKING ON IT. PLEASE STAND BY FOR UPDATES.
[16:56:50] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Hi...looks like the servers are down
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[16:57:04] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v mrgirlpluggedout] by BaconTree
[16:57:07] <FoobarBazbot> It's a publicity stunt -- they deliberately shut down the server to set a record for max people in IRC at once! ;)
[16:57:23] <NezSez> lol
[16:57:25] <weeds> It's working
[16:57:28] <wjwlsn> bwaahaaaa... it's like having a conversation with a person lacking short-term memory
[16:57:34] * NezSez publicity stands
[16:57:34] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> martyb: change the blurb at the top if you want to stop answering questions
[16:57:40] <Marneus68> maybe someone could change the MOTD and the greetings to warn people that you guys are aware that it's not working
[16:57:47] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ^
[16:57:59] * CHALLNGEACCPTD is not IRC compliant yet
[16:58:14] * so-lent-nus starts singing on "Stand by me" by Ben E King
[16:58:15] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Cool...looks like you are on the case
[16:58:15] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Which chatroom are people in at the moment?
[16:58:17] <FoobarBazbot> CHALLNGEACCPTD: "topic" is the word you seek
[16:58:27] <Marneus68> Topic
[16:58:30] <Marneus68> there it is
[16:58:31] <Marneus68> thanks
[16:58:34] <so-lent-nus> to pick or nor to pick
[16:58:34] * NezSez is irc complainant
[16:58:50] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> FoobarBazbot: Gracias
[16:59:33] <Cactus> Marneus68: I always call it MOTD too.
[16:59:36] <weeds> or is it "Stand by Your Man"? Standing by...
[16:59:47] <Cactus> Stand by me.
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[16:59:55] <FoobarBazbot> gishzida: stfu noob, we know it's down! ~
[17:00:07] <weeds> lol
[17:00:08] <Cactus> Hah
[17:00:29] <Marneus68> Anyone has the power to change the topic or MOTD or whatever you guys call it ?
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[17:00:32] <FoobarBazbot> s/stfu/polite greetings/
[17:00:32] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> gishzida: polite greetings noob, we know it's down! ~
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[17:00:38] <weeds> MOTD: stfu noob, we know it's down!
[17:01:01] <Marneus68> because for now, the topic clearly says that the site is live
[17:01:05] <Marneus68> just sayin~
[17:01:12] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> noobcrusher
[17:01:31] <SoyCow2463> http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[17:01:44] <SoyCow2463> looks kinda bad
[17:02:14] <willyg_cos> Prepare to make your time...
[17:02:15] <SoyCow7271> syrian electronic army is my guess.
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[17:02:27] <gishzida> foobarBazot--
[17:02:28] <BendingUnit> karma - foobarbazot: -1
[17:02:29] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> SoyCow2463: only for us cattle
[17:02:46] <FoobarBazbot> saved by my tricky-to-spell name!
[17:02:50] <gishzida> I didn't even ask so STFU your self
[17:02:53] <drcoolbp> OKay people, looks like we don't have a resolution just yet
[17:03:02] <mrgirlpluggedout> WE FUXORD UR SERVERZ EVIL AMERICAN NERDS, lhnn?
[17:03:18] <drcoolbp> it might be a bit, please stand by (you man/woman)
[17:03:19] <gishzida> FoobarBazot--
[17:03:19] <BendingUnit> karma - foobarbazot: -2
[17:03:37] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Did okianwarrior buy the domain off of barribas?
[17:03:42] <drcoolbp> mp
[17:03:44] <drcoolbp> no
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[17:03:49] <FoobarBazbot> gishzida: 'twas a mere joke. If you had already asked, it wouldn't have been funny...
[17:03:54] <drcoolbp> it was a gentleman named Matt
[17:03:57] * CHALLNGEACCPTD plays Benny Hill theme for gishida
[17:04:05] <FoobarBazbot> elf_mobile: heh
[17:04:10] <NezSez> lol
[17:04:11] <gishzida> gishzida--
[17:04:26] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Just looking at the who is
[17:04:48] <so-lent-nus> an EMP equipped drone to knock out other spy drones sounds like a nice thing..... x-P
[17:05:10] <weeds> gishizda: you just happened to come in at the right moment - no offense intended - just humor
[17:05:10] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Updated 10th and the email listed has okianwarrior in
[17:05:23] <gishzida> no biggy
[17:05:37] <TK> Why an emp? Why not just get close to the other drone and drop a stick in its rotors
[17:05:57] <drcoolbp> The domain is under tansfew anyway
[17:06:00] <gishzida> or shoot a green laser at it
[17:06:02] <Cactus> Kamikaze drone-on-drone warfare!
[17:06:05] <drcoolbp> transfer*
[17:06:07] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> TK: brilliant.curly_mustache
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[17:06:28] <Marneus68> No ! Not the green lasers
[17:06:36] <Marneus68> Also EMP, because EMP is col.
[17:06:41] <Marneus68> cool*
[17:06:47] <nobbis> we'll have to recreate the site in IRC.. now there was a story about elephants, and something about DRM ,um..
[17:07:06] <FoobarBazbot> gishzida: because we don't want our anti-drone drone locked in prison for 14 years...
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[17:07:15] <Cactus> I'm going to DRM my proprietary Elephant code.
[17:07:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> Elephants can recognize pirated DVDs by their subtitles, nobbis
[17:07:22] <WizardFusion> what's the new URL.? soylentnews.org doesn't work for me anymore.?
[17:07:26] <nobbis> ah yes
[17:07:29] <gishzida> and then there was my journal post responding to barabas
[17:07:33] <WizardFusion> or is it just me/
[17:07:47] <Cactus> Just you, WizardFusion
[17:07:47] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> WizardFusion: it's SO you
[17:07:50] <janrinok> WizardFusion: no, its a prob at the moment
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[17:07:57] <FoobarBazbot> WizardFusion: site is down right now, we have top men working on it.
[17:07:58] <nobbis> CHALLNGEACCPTD: LOL
[17:07:59] <crisp> doesnt work for me either
[17:08:04] <crisp> ah
[17:08:05] <crisp> cool
[17:08:06] <Cactus> Oh, and everyone else too, I guess.
[17:08:10] <janrinok> And the bottom men as well
[17:08:13] <FoobarBazbot> Top. Men.
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[17:08:23] <WizardFusion> ah, thanks
[17:08:23] <weeds> is broke - smart guys working on it
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[17:08:26] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] I like to meditate "Guru" style
[17:08:33] <eliphas> someone put the men-at-work sign on /topic :)
[17:08:38] <gishzida> If I had a hammer...
[17:08:47] <WizardFusion> I have 2 hours left at work, with nothing to do.
[17:09:03] <drcoolbp> sorry wizardfusion
[17:09:05] <gishzida> be lucky you got work
[17:09:06] <FoobarBazbot> WizardFusion: get thee to pipedot.org
[17:09:07] <nobbis> omg productivity could soar
[17:09:10] * CHALLNGEACCPTD sings WizardFusion a jaunty tune about a blind rabbit
[17:09:23] <drcoolbp> nobbis: yes we are trying to help the economy
[17:09:36] <FoobarBazbot> submit them a story about this.
[17:09:39] <Cactus> nobbis: Yeah, if we werent all in here talking about it.
[17:09:48] <nobbis> oh yeah
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[17:10:19] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> pillo: yes
[17:10:38] <Cactus> pillo: No, it's just down for you.
[17:10:42] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Latest story on pipedot has zero comments...we should help them out there for a bit while this gets sorted out
[17:11:02] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] elf_mobile: Good point.
[17:11:02] <pillo> rofl
[17:11:13] <pillo> hi everybody :)
[17:11:16] <Cactus> Aww, but then I'd have to create an account.
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[17:11:45] <mrgirlpluggedout> Cactus, just register AnonymousCoward and post the password in public.
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[17:12:15] <neuromancer> down?
[17:12:19] <mrgirlpluggedout> up
[17:12:26] <mrgirlpluggedout> left?
[17:12:28] <gishzida> to the side
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[17:12:34] <so-lent-nus> BendingUnit: problem is you have to create an account to post on pipedot :-(
[17:12:42] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] You can post anonymous there too
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[17:12:47] <SoyCow5151> they still have 3 digit uids
[17:12:52] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ^
[17:12:54] <SoyCow5151> so get them wile they last
[17:12:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> hunter2
[17:13:03] <mrgirlpluggedout> ******
[17:13:18] <GeminiDomino_> Is there an outage?
[17:13:23] <FoobarBazbot> elf
[17:13:36] <gishzida> that and an outrage
[17:13:36] <so-lent-nus> ah yeah that is true, what would be the ideal password for the account AnonymousCoward? "password" perhaps?
[17:13:41] <FoobarBazbot> elf_mobile: not 0 comments any more
[17:14:00] <mrgirlpluggedout> CHALLNGEACCPTD said it best, so-lent-nus
[17:14:02] <mrgirlpluggedout> hunter2
[17:14:05] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Nice :)
[17:14:08] <lhnn> Done
[17:14:18] <lhnn> soylentcoward:wearepeople
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[17:14:36] <lhnn> dont' change the password unless you're an ass
[17:14:42] <lhnn> in fact
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[17:14:47] <lhnn> don't change it even then
[17:15:10] <dotdotdot> submitted to pipedot
[17:15:27] <mrgirlpluggedout> A) My suggestion was a jest. B) There is exactly 0 chance for the password to stay the same for the next, oh, 15 minutes tops?
[17:15:34] <WizardFusion> wow. Just registered "TheAnonymousCoward" on pipedot, and it has a lower ID than my SN id. :(
[17:15:39] <drcoolbp> mrgirlpluggedout: all I see is ******
[17:15:49] <drcoolbp> = )
[17:15:51] <lhnn> mrgirlpluggedout: don't lose hope
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[17:16:15] <GungnirSniper> You mean ******* right?
[17:16:21] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] http://technocrat.net could use some love too.
[17:16:33] <BendingUnit> [poutine] is SN gone?
[17:16:35] <FoobarBazbot_> Heh, idlerpg should give us _all_ a custom calamity for this.
[17:16:43] <mrgirlpluggedout> Howdy, GungnirSniper
[17:16:51] <BendingUnit> [poutine] can we call the time-of-death on SN?
[17:16:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> bryan, do you have a banhammer yet?
[17:17:00] <WizardFusion> http://technocrat.net has no CSS file.?
[17:17:25] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] technocrat is simple that way I think by design
[17:17:25] <FoobarBazbot_> I like that .? -- like an interrobang, but more subtle...
[17:17:28] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> poutine --
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[17:17:36] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> poutine--
[17:17:36] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -287
[17:18:01] <drcoolbp> poutine--
[17:18:01] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -288
[17:18:05] <BendingUnit> [poutine] Whoever bought SN for $2k, enjoy your worthless domain names and overpriced hosting
[17:18:27] <SoyCow2160> seriously is that why we are knocked offline? What about the linode?
[17:18:41] <BendingUnit> [poutine] Well it "sold" yesterday or the day beforer
[17:18:44] <BendingUnit> [poutine] and now it's down
[17:18:48] <BendingUnit> [poutine] so I'd assume there's some relation
[17:18:51] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> SoyCow2160: no, different issue
[17:18:54] <FoobarBazbot_> SoyCow2160: I don't think this has directly to do with that.
[17:18:54] <WizardFusion> could just be DNS
[17:18:55] <SoyCow5151> to whom?
[17:18:56] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] I won't think the hosting is overpriced. Linnode treats me well for the price
[17:19:03] <drcoolbp> poutine it may be related to an account transfer that just went through
[17:19:06] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] ^dont
[17:19:12] <drcoolbp> linode is great
[17:19:19] <FoobarBazbot_> Not just DNS, I kicked a line into my hosts file and it doesn't work
[17:19:30] <mrgirlpluggedout> It's a server issue.
[17:19:42] <BendingUnit> [poutine] Well one thing that foretold that SN was going to fail was utter incompetence with DNS/System changes
[17:19:44] <SoyCow2160> thanks for the info.
[17:19:59] <BendingUnit> [poutine] If you can't keep a site up while switching hosting accounts, you shouldn't be running a site
[17:20:10] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] poutine: :-)
[17:20:11] <so-lent-nus> hmm.. archive.org's copy of soylent news tells me to "remain calm, collected, and civil" but thats so boooring....
[17:20:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> The linode address (http://li694-22.members.linode.com/) brings up a 503 errorpage.
[17:20:18] <drcoolbp> poutine: I'd like to see you do better with a volunteer team
[17:20:23] * FoobarBazbot_ initially assumed it was DNS, just because of the recent transfer of DNS, but apparently that was an unjustified conclusion-jump.
[17:20:23] <BendingUnit> [poutine] this isn't 1999, downtime is not acceptable, you cannot close your site down for maintenance hours
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[17:20:48] <drcoolbp> poutine: if I recall you "could" do so
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[17:21:00] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> poutine--
[17:21:00] <WizardFusion> they could be changing DNS as well as linode servers. hence the downtime
[17:21:00] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -289
[17:21:02] <BendingUnit> [poutine] I am well aware of high availability patterns
[17:21:14] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] these aren't just any volunteeers - they're Linux geeks - no?
[17:21:33] <pbnjoe> Did NC not say he had to update a lot of things that couldn't be while the site was up?
[17:21:38] <mrgirlpluggedout> Some of us are Novel gurus.
[17:21:50] <WizardFusion> a maintenance page would have been nice
[17:21:50] <BendingUnit> [poutine] step 1) setup new server step 2) change LOCAL dns to point to new server 3) test everything works 4) Point DNS at new server 5) wait until access log stops getting a hit on old server before you shut it down
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[17:22:02] <gishzida> Novel Gurus???
[17:22:07] <BendingUnit> [poutine] That's how you avoid downtime, in a nutshell
[17:22:27] <SoyCow5151> okey
[17:22:32] <SoyCow5151> see you guys later
[17:22:39] <mrgirlpluggedout> gishzida, OK, so maybe we aren't.
[17:22:45] <WizardFusion> does Novell still exist.?
[17:22:51] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> poutine: MOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:23:02] <gishzida> I was once a Novell guru
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[17:23:25] <BendingUnit> [poutine] i got kicked out of a school for using novell to send a dirty group message to the entire campus computer network
[17:23:31] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] Wohoo...poutine is in...popcorn time
[17:23:40] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] Miss the uptime on my old GroupWise - and Zen was so fun.
[17:23:40] <bryn> I used Novell once.
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[17:23:57] <gishzida> http://www.novell.com says they are still around
[17:24:12] <WizardFusion> I knew someone who upgraded a live netware 4 server to netware 5 in the middle of the day
[17:24:15] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I used Novell and SCO *nix in the same office
[17:24:19] <WizardFusion> such an idiot
[17:24:24] <BendingUnit> [poutine] So whoever is in charge now, I suggest you figure out how to do things _without_ downtime, because it's most certainly possible
[17:24:39] <BendingUnit> [poutine] and downtime is going to kill any momentum you have
[17:24:47] <so-lent-nus> I wonder what the sn.org domain costs... who is prolexic?
[17:24:53] <mrgirlpluggedout> gishzida, http://www.xinuos.com
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[17:24:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> SCO LIVES
[17:24:58] <ancientt> novel does suse linux and has the best build your own system I've tried.
[17:25:00] * CHALLNGEACCPTD suggests beating poutine with a cattle prod
[17:25:07] <ancientt> Novell even ^
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[17:25:32] <MouseTheLuckyDog> So what's happening with the website? I'm getting 503's?
[17:25:32] <gishzida> yeah I got hired to fix the Synthetic Time my predessor initiate...
[17:26:04] <WizardFusion> MouseTheLuckyDog: site is down
[17:26:21] <MouseTheLuckyDog> Tech or political?
[17:26:26] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Tech
[17:26:38] <BendingUnit> [poutine] see how confusing it is for users when your site is down? Fix the incompetence
[17:27:07] <gishzida> mrgirlpluggedout: it is back from the dead
[17:27:09] <mrgirlpluggedout> I don't think I've done this yet.
[17:27:13] <mrgirlpluggedout> poutine--
[17:27:13] <BendingUnit> karma - poutine: -290
[17:27:13] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> poutine: Captain Obvious to the rescue
[17:27:19] <BendingUnit> [poutine] space jam's original website is up, why is soylent news down
[17:27:54] <so-lent-nus> now... how can we design IRC with threading? :-)
[17:28:00] <BendingUnit> [deego] Is the website gone?
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[17:28:14] <BendingUnit> [poutine] IRC is a protocol so-lent-nus, you're not going to change it with your half baked ideas
[17:28:24] <FoobarBazbot> It's a publicity stunt -- they deliberately shut down the server to set a record for max people in IRC at once! ;)
[17:28:24] <BendingUnit> [poutine] established protocol
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[17:28:33] <FoobarBazbot> we're up to 138!
[17:28:40] <BendingUnit> [poutine] Ok well this just drives people to pipedot, back to beta, technocrat, etc
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[17:28:48] <WizardFusion> never to beta
[17:28:51] <GeminiDomino_> How high did we get yesterday?
[17:28:57] * so-lent-nus bakes IRC a bit more until it gets burned into a new protocol: IRD :-D
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[17:29:16] <BendingUnit> [iammasci] what happened?
[17:29:42] <BendingUnit> [poutine] iammasci, new owners of soylentnews can't figure out high availability patterns and continue to demonstrate incompetence in system administration
[17:30:16] <BendingUnit> [iammasci] so, nothing nefarious?
[17:30:27] <BendingUnit> [poutine] Nothing apparent yet
[17:30:46] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] ... just reminder that IRC is so much fun
[17:30:46] <FoobarBazbot> iammasci, doesn't look like it, unless you believe my conspiracy theories
[17:30:59] <bryn> I'm confused by BendingUnit
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[17:31:15] <gishzida> FoobarBazot: which ones?
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[17:31:27] <GeminiDomino_> bryn: I think it's a bot bridging the freenode IRC channel to this one
[17:31:43] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ^
[17:31:45] <FoobarBazbot> well, on this event, the only one I've propounded thus far is "to get more people on irc"
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[17:31:55] <so-lent-nus> isn't it strange how is easy it is to get sn-dependent... I have a faint memory of using computers before internet... internet addiction
[17:31:57] <FoobarBazbot> but I can come up with more...
[17:32:33] <mrgirlpluggedout> so-lent-nus, kicked the /. habit and fell back into vice with SN
[17:32:35] <GeminiDomino_> FoobarBazbot: Should be easy. There's some obvious ones there
[17:32:52] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> so-lent-nus: my first big challenge was Zork I on Apple IIc
[17:32:56] <bryn> GeminiDomino_: ah gotcha, thanks
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[17:33:35] <GeminiDomino_> "matt" cut us off, B set off a dead man's switch, the shuffling around caused the NSA listening daemon to soyle itself and take the server down with it...
[17:33:39] <gishzida> Maybe it had sometning to do with a reply to a comment I got from Barrabas this morning... tried treethimes to reply... then tried to post it as a comment three times finally I created a bous post and edited the post
[17:33:48] <so-lent-nus> yeah I should go start my apple2 computer and play some zork :D
[17:34:06] * GeminiDomino_ has Zork from GOG...
[17:34:14] <GeminiDomino_> Damn you... I have work to do!
[17:34:20] <gishzida> bogus post*
[17:34:39] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> so-lent-nus: I still have all my Apple discs and hardware and Zork retail boxes even
[17:34:46] <so-lent-nus> ohhh...
[17:34:48] <drcoolbp> GeminiDomino, matt is talking with us now
[17:34:54] <gishzida> be)S
[17:34:56] <drcoolbp> GeminiDomino, he is trying to assist
[17:35:03] <gishzida> beOS
[17:35:23] <GeminiDomino_> drcoolbp: I was just messing around, not actually accusing him of anything. :)
[17:35:29] <drcoolbp> k
[17:35:43] <gishzida> Win3.11 in dos box
[17:35:45] <GeminiDomino_> (also don't think the NSA spybot is the cause, either)
[17:36:21] <Cactus> I still have Win3.1 in a box somewhere. ... Not sure why, exactly.
[17:36:32] <gishzida> Wherew's the spybot so we can wave at the camera?
[17:36:36] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Cactus: notbad
[17:36:37] <so-lent-nus> I do have my apple2 (clone) still working, I never had any orginal discs for any software though..
[17:36:47] <GeminiDomino_> You just did, Gish
[17:36:55] <gishzida> Got OS\2 as well
[17:37:11] * GeminiDomino_ has to code up a CCDA xml generator. In PHP.
[17:37:12] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> so-lent-nus: Copy II Plus was my friend as well
[17:37:19] <so-lent-nus> :-D
[17:37:21] * GeminiDomino_ considers writing a resignation letter...
[17:37:26] <drcoolbp> .topicappend THE SITE IS DOWN--PLEASE STAND BY
[17:37:30] <robind> lol that sounds awful
[17:37:30] <drcoolbp> .op
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[17:37:32] <drcoolbp> .topicappend THE SITE IS DOWN--PLEASE STAND BY
[17:37:40] * drcoolbp sighs
[17:37:44] <drcoolbp> kobach
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[17:37:56] <drcoolbp> kobach .topicappend THE SITE IS DOWN--PLEASE STAND BY
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[17:38:47] <MOS6510> heh Guru Meditation...makes we want to drag the A500 out
[17:39:07] <GeminiDomino_> MOS6510: ...and kick the crap out of it?
[17:39:08] <so-lent-nus> there is nice irc clients for amiga too, right?
[17:39:29] <GeminiDomino_> I just wish there were nice IRC clients for windows.
[17:39:53] <Cactus> HexChat is pretty much just XChat, but for Windows.
[17:39:56] <Thesis> Site down? I'm getting a 503 error.
[17:40:02] <drcoolbp> THE SITE IS DOWN--PLEASE STAND BY
[17:40:05] <GeminiDomino_> Thesis: Indeed
[17:40:07] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I sold my Amiga for $100, it makes me sad now
[17:40:14] <so-lent-nus> when talking about amiga I always think about black-white-blue-orange... what was they thinking...
[17:40:26] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> "my" I bought it in college off someone
[17:40:33] <dotdotdot> one hour and counting now
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[17:41:03] <so-lent-nus> CHALLNGEACCPTD: yeah should have kept it
[17:41:07] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> dotdotdot: circle circle
[17:41:19] <MOS6510> Yeah, when it flakes out I just have bang it on the side to knock the clock/ram expension board around and it's good to go
[17:41:37] <BendingUnit> [iammasci] alright, good luck to anyone working on this
[17:41:42] <drcoolbp> thanks
[17:41:50] <drcoolbp> we'll have it squared away soon enough
[17:42:06] <BendingUnit> [iammasci] you've got people who want it (I'm one of them)
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[17:42:45] <martyb> I am not speaking in an official capacity, but I can assure you that we are aware that soylentnews.org is currently down and are doing all we can to isolate the problem and get things running... if YOU are disappointed the site is down, we are doubly so. We will keep you posted as we know more.
[17:42:45] <MOS6510> Is it strange that sometimes I swear I can hear that endless floppy drive clicking that Amigas do every few seconds?
[17:43:46] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> MOS6510: not at all
[17:44:21] <gishzida> MOS6510: You mak me recall the iOmega Click of Doom
[17:44:38] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] I miss the modem beeps of the BBS days
[17:44:57] <MOS6510> hah I guess that sound is forever engrained in my mind...
[17:44:57] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> MOS6510: I still recall the noisy cassette tape interface of my TI99/4A
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[17:45:46] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> And yes, I wrote BASIC to force the Speech Synthesizer to curse
[17:46:01] <BendingUnit> [elf_mobile] The thing I remember about amigas is the endless breaking of joysticks from over use...fun days
[17:46:01] <gishzida> trashtruck: http://dvusmedia.blogspot.com music from my USENET days
[17:46:08] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> -BASIC +TIBASIC
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[17:46:29] <MOS6510> I cut my teeth as a network enginner at a national dial-up ISP...you want to talk about modem sound...ugh! Fortunatly the technoligy shifted towards digital devices with the PRI's plugged straight in so no more sound
[17:46:33] <MOS6510> Those were the days
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[17:46:50] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> MOS6510: ATDT
[17:47:01] <BendingUnit> [trashtruck] gishzida - nice
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[17:47:42] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Skarjak: yes
[17:47:52] <gishzida> I used to test modems for Part 68 compliance... by blowing them up, dropping them on the floor and other nice things
[17:47:54] <so-lent-nus> elf_mobile you was to violent :-) or not using a good joystick
[17:48:22] <MOS6510> gishzida: nice!
[17:48:33] <Skarjak> yes what?
[17:48:43] <GungnirSniper> Pipedot is also carrying a story about Soylent: http://pipedot.org
[17:48:50] <MOS6510> Yeah well, I better get back to work...was just looking to see what's up with SN
[17:48:54] <so-lent-nus> sweet!
[17:49:02] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> later, MOS6510
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[17:50:03] <SirFinkus> well, works for me now
[17:50:06] <Landon> .topicappend | The site is down and we're working on getting it back up
[17:50:06] BaconTree changed topic of #Soylent to: SoylentNews is LIVE people, so spread the word! https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Forums: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org | http://sylnt.us | | The site is down and we're working on getting it back up
[17:50:21] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] DDOS? :(
[17:50:45] <mrgirlpluggedout> QDOS
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[17:51:23] <SoyCow7492> appears to be up now
[17:51:23] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] 86DOS?
[17:51:55] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] What's the linode addr?
[17:52:03] <Cactus> http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[17:52:21] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] TY. soylentnews.org doesn't work for me, DNS error
[17:52:47] <mrgirlpluggedout> The linode address isn't all that better at the moment, silicon
[17:52:51] <Cactus> Yeah, the guys are working on it.
[17:52:53] <cculpepper> Linode is mostly up for me
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[17:53:09] <mrgirlpluggedout> Looks like HTML without the CSS right now.
[17:53:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> bbl
[17:53:23] mrgirlpluggedout is now known as mrgirlplugged[out]
[17:53:23] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Oh look, the Elephants are back
[17:53:24] <willyg_cos> +++ ATH0
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[17:53:56] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] it's getting there at least :) progress! one small step for man....
[17:54:16] <drcoolbp> Like I said, we'll have it sorted out soon, thanks for your patience guys
[17:54:28] <so-lent-nus> about the articles (readable on linode)... even though usa have strange laws, isn't the DVDFab software company Chinese?
[17:54:30] <drcoolbp> also furiously clicking reload may not be beneficial
[17:54:37] <Cactus> Meanwhile, lets play I-Spy in the IRC.
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[17:55:09] <martyb> seems to be working its way through the intertubes... I can access soylentnews.org okay, now.
[17:55:25] <Cactus> so-lent-nus: I don't remember - Where did the article say they were hosted?
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[17:56:11] <WizardFusion> Quote suggetions: "A malicious program has attempted to shut down Windows. As a precaution, Windows was shut down."
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[17:57:20] <so-lent-nus> WizardFusion: :-D
[17:57:31] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] moo
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[17:57:57] <weeds> sup qlaras?
[17:58:23] <so-lent-nus> siliconwafer: the command to have a cow drawn in ascii art in the channel is #moo
[17:58:26] <so-lent-nus> (not)
[17:58:34] <qlaras> Just came over from the freenode channel
[17:58:56] <qlaras> Would rather not have another server to deal with, but figured I'd see what was up with the site being down, after the domain sale announcement
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[17:59:39] <weeds> NC et al are working on it
[17:59:49] <qlaras> So I see from the status :-D
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[17:59:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> so-lent-nus: you tease!
[18:00:12] <FoobarBazbot> working here...
[18:00:26] <qlaras> So I'll just hang out for now.
[18:00:30] <FoobarBazbot> Also, this channel's up to 140
[18:01:00] <weeds> Those elephants on linode have no style at all!
[18:01:16] <weeds> bu they are there
[18:01:20] <martyb> weeds: maybe, but they work for peanuts!
[18:01:21] <weeds> but
[18:01:35] <weeds> like the SN staff!
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[18:02:32] <jdccdevel> Ummm, is the site down? I can't get to soylentnews.org right now.
[18:02:37] <WizardFusion> yes
[18:02:45] <WizardFusion> they are working on it
[18:02:50] <jdccdevel> Let me guess, DNS issues?
[18:02:52] <qlaras> jdccdevel: Last section of the topic
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[18:02:57] <WizardFusion> server issue
[18:03:06] <drcoolbp> THE SITE HAVING ISSUES--PLEASE STAND BY
[18:03:08] <martyb> jdccdevel: it was down, but it's on its way back up.
[18:03:56] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> chumbawumba
[18:03:57] <weeds> Hey, those elephants on linode.. why its, its discrimination!
[18:04:04] <WizardFusion> I hope there is a detailed explanation for it
[18:04:05] <jdccdevel> Thanks.
[18:04:19] <weeds> is broke, we fix, takes time
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[18:04:52] <WizardFusion> buy why broke? what fix?
[18:05:02] <WizardFusion> -y+t
[18:05:02] <weeds> stand by
[18:05:13] <Cactus> It a'sploded?
[18:05:56] <BendingUnit> [siliconwafer] Yes, we are nerds and we want details! DETAILS!
[18:06:05] <Geotti> Whatsup, no A records for soylentnews.org?
[18:06:14] * CHALLNGEACCPTD heads inside the barn to graze
[18:06:31] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> -graze +eat
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[18:06:46] <drcoolbp> THE SITE HAVING ISSUES--PLEASE STAND BY
[18:06:54] <weeds> pieces everywhere - lots of volunteers gluing it all back together - like that egg on the wall
[18:07:08] <WizardFusion> Humpty Dumpty
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[18:07:10] <weeds> but these guys will get it back together!
[18:07:41] <drcoolbp> It should be coming up soon
[18:07:41] <WizardFusion> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:07:52] <weeds> Web Of Trust thinks linode is bad
[18:07:52] <drcoolbp> for those of you on comcast, it will take longer = )
[18:08:14] <weeds> thanks for the reference Wiz!
[18:08:32] <Geotti> talkin' of comcast, who gives out the cloaks again?
[18:09:02] <drcoolbp> geotti: Landon might be able to help
[18:09:24] <SoyCow7492> i am on comcast and it is working fine for me
[18:09:30] <drcoolbp> try /join 3help
[18:09:30] <Geotti> drcoolbp: /me makes note to self. Thx!
[18:09:31] <so-lent-nus> soone it is easter, it time time for some training on gluing eggs together
[18:09:34] <BendingUnit> [DaveVT5] I've been lurking here waiting for an update. Any news?
[18:09:40] <drcoolbp> #help***
[18:09:49] <Geotti> drcoolbp: yeah, got it
[18:09:51] <drcoolbp> ehehe
[18:10:50] <so-lent-nus> DaveVTS: yea the latest news is about elephants and DVDFab I think
[18:11:41] <weeds> And elephants aint got no style (but work for peanuts)
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[18:11:52] <weeds> on linode
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[18:13:17] <ar> hm
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[18:13:22] <WizardFusion> 246 seconds ping time out is an odd number. why that value??
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[18:18:08] <so-lent-nus> about dvdfab, not that I have used any video dvd for ages, but isn't that functionality built in the normal filemanager? it ought to be anyway... I wonder how the one in my linux dist is doing... I'm not sure I have any video dvd though...
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[18:20:14] <Geotti> Just wanted to post a bug to use relative links, but someone was a bit faster: https://github.com
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[18:20:58] <TK> what is dvdfab?
[18:21:10] <soycowVnext> bet it's something fabulous
[18:21:10] <TK> I saw the headline, but I glanced over it
[18:21:17] <TK> I would hope so
[18:21:54] <Geotti> TK: http://www.dvdfab.jp lanugage selection all the way in the bottom (click on the Japanese flag)
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[18:23:38] <TK> Looks wonderful
[18:23:56] <TK> unless there's a free program for bluerays
[18:24:04] <Geotti> so easy to use too, apparently... ah-mah-zingg
[18:24:04] <TK> bluerais?
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[18:24:43] <Geotti> ah, you just tee the bitstream from memory...
[18:25:08] <so-lent-nus> ah yeah I guess the default file manager in the os can't just copy from blueraydiscs... or?
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[18:25:32] <Geotti> why are we discussing this and not the missing a-record for soylentnews? ; )
[18:25:47] <WizardFusion> Anyone here use IPv6 for their internal networks?
[18:26:13] <TK> It's not as if the disks just have a .mkv when you open them up. Maybe in a perfect world
[18:26:34] * so-lent-nus wants a perfect world
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[18:27:00] * Geotti wants an a record for soylentnews.org or relative links
[18:27:02] <TK> But then you'd have to find a TV that plays .mkv
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[18:27:20] <Geotti> TVs still exist?
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[18:27:38] <Marneus68> what's a TV ? is that some kind of monitor ?
[18:27:39] <so-lent-nus> our tv plays mkv from usb stick
[18:27:39] <artificial> Geotti: if you can find one that doesn't die before the warranty expires
[18:27:39] <TK> fine, a large monitor with an onboard SOC running android
[18:28:10] <TK> so-lent-nus: Now you have my attention
[18:28:18] <so-lent-nus> yeah tv is kind of old tech, but they still exists in some homes. not all.
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[18:28:37] <FuckBeta> Fuck Beta!
[18:28:43] <Marneus68> Fuck yeah
[18:28:53] <so-lent-nus> Buck feta? :-D
[18:28:59] <FuckBeta> So did our new overlords take the domain down?
[18:29:05] <BendingUnit> [E_NOENT] yep looks like it's gone
[18:29:09] <Geotti> B ate fuck?
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[18:29:22] <FuckBeta> Well hopefully we can now get rid of the silly name
[18:29:23] <FuckBeta> Soylent
[18:29:25] <TK> 'bating and fucking are two different things
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[18:29:34] <FuckBeta> I've been told that name was John's idea
[18:29:44] <FuckBeta> and nobody else was really that enthusiastic
[18:29:53] <FuckBeta> so nothing trademark infringing of /.
[18:29:56] <Marneus68> Well, there really should be a pool about that
[18:30:04] <TK> I like the name
[18:30:06] <Marneus68> wait a second, we had a poll about that already
[18:30:08] <TK> and the tagline
[18:30:15] <WizardFusion> A name is a name, its not that important really
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[18:30:27] * Geotti doesn't like the name, or the color scheme, but isn't on the team either, so ...
[18:30:28] <FuckBeta> WizardFusion: Soylent News is People?
[18:30:38] <Marneus68> It's not just the name but the comunity around it already
[18:30:41] <Geotti> WizardFusion: yeah, it's the meaning that we attribute to it...
[18:30:44] <FuckBeta> "Its people " was about state run cannibalism
[18:30:48] <Marneus68> that is, if the site isn't already dead as we speak
[18:30:57] <Cactus> Marneus68: It's not
[18:30:57] <so-lent-nus> yeah the name is not important. ideallu it should be something without associations to something else
[18:31:04] <FuckBeta> using the victims of government euthanasia programs
[18:31:17] <Geotti> the site isn't dead (http://li694-22.members.linode.com) but it's missing relative links or a greasemonkey script
[18:31:21] <BendingUnit> [E_NOENT] soylentnews.org doesn't seem to resolve anymore
[18:31:26] <FuckBeta> Yes, I don't want to think about a terminally ill Edward G Robinson every time I visit a news site
[18:31:30] <TK> Fuckbeta: those were all voluntary suicides
[18:31:35] <drcoolbp> UPDATE: zone files reinstated, may take up to an hour
[18:31:35] <WizardFusion> slashdot was only chosen becuase it was difficult to talk to people about it. names are meaningless, it's the community.
[18:31:44] <Cactus> There IS an issue, but the guys are working on it.
[18:31:48] <drcoolbp> sorry for the inconvenience soylentils
[18:31:52] <FuckBeta> TK: yes, but Robinson was actually dying of cancer when they filmed the scene...
[18:31:54] <Marneus68> ha
[18:31:59] <Marneus68> css is overrated anyway
[18:32:18] <Geotti> let's call it solventnews, now that the domain got bought back
[18:32:20] <TK> I wonder how that affects the flavor
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[18:32:36] <nobbis> Geotti: haha
[18:32:47] <SirFinkus> I always read the small version of the logo as solvent
[18:32:56] <SirFinkus> the y looks like a v
[18:32:58] <TK> I like it
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[18:33:00] <wjwlsn> or soviet
[18:33:15] <Geotti> sovietnews.su quick, register that!
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[18:33:23] <FuckBeta> I thought the Charlton-Heston-and-the-statue-of-liberty "big reveal" about where the food really came from to be rather revolting.
[18:33:26] <neuromancer> very slow and broken css
[18:33:32] <FuckBeta> Geotti: in Soviet Russia...news reads YOU
[18:33:52] <TK> Soylent green was our planet!
[18:33:57] <WizardFusion> give it an hour or so. go outside, see the burning disk of life
[18:34:07] <neuromancer> ahn
[18:34:07] <wjwlsn> wtf is that?
[18:34:07] <neuromancer> ok
[18:34:15] <SoyCow6361> soylentnews.org is back for me! Tkx!
[18:34:19] <nobbis> what is this outside ?
[18:34:29] <Geotti> back here too
[18:34:29] <neuromancer> some says is called real life
[18:34:34] <drcoolbp> UPDATE: zone files reinstated, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BACK UP
[18:34:34] <WizardFusion> there is the INTERnet and the OUTERnet
[18:34:34] <neuromancer> i'm no sure
[18:34:34] <TK> and back
[18:34:36] <drcoolbp> UPDATE: zone files reinstated, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BACK UP
[18:34:40] <wjwlsn> YES
[18:34:41] <so-lent-nus> are there any shorter adresses that is till free? sn.org is owned but not used by some ddos-protecting company I think
[18:34:45] <SirFinkus> I hear it's where the pizza guys come from
[18:34:45] <Geotti> thx, guys!
[18:34:48] <neuromancer> YEAHHHH
[18:34:51] <neuromancer> ITS BACKK
[18:35:00] <nobbis> YAY
[18:35:10] <WizardFusion> and it will be back down for all of us DDOSing it ;)
[18:35:11] <wjwlsn> hey, it looks the same
[18:35:26] <neuromancer> good for you
[18:35:32] <neuromancer> you are such a evil genius
[18:35:48] <BendingUnit> [LowID] In sovietnews.su, the news is YOU!
[18:35:51] <drcoolbp> YOU'RE welcome
[18:35:57] <so-lent-nus> oh its up! it is time for the happy dance dance dance!
[18:36:05] <Geotti> BendingUnit: *that* is actually quite catchy!
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[18:36:47] <wjwlsn> thank you soylentnews team!
[18:36:55] <so-lent-nus> it is alway more fun when it is up, said the girl
[18:37:24] <FuckBeta> 8-D
[18:37:26] <FuckBeta> 8--D
[18:37:28] <so-lent-nus> newsisyou.org ?
[18:37:31] <FuckBeta> 8===D
[18:37:43] <FuckBeta> 8===D--
[18:38:17] <FuckBeta> So any word on our new overlord?
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[18:38:26] <neuromancer> well, nothing besides elephants news for now?
[18:38:33] <Geotti> so-lent-nus: it's available
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[18:38:38] <drcoolbp> FuckBeta he is not an overlord
[18:38:51] <drcoolbp> FuckBeta he is very helpful and supportive of the site
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[18:39:14] <Geotti> i can't believe he parted with 2k just for a domain name
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[18:39:21] <Geotti> but props, regardless
[18:39:50] <FuckBeta> drcoolbp: pleased to hear it. Good for him. And good for us. Thanks non-overlord.
[18:39:57] <Goodie> Looks back up to me!
[18:39:59] <FuckBeta> Mr Anonymous (who is really Ted Danson)
[18:40:11] <drcoolbp> FuckBeta: his name is matt_ around here
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[18:40:19] <drcoolbp> thank him yourself
[18:40:25] <FuckBeta> matt_++
[18:40:25] <BendingUnit> karma - matt_: 1
[18:40:37] <FuckBeta> shouldn't that be matt_++$2000
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[18:42:15] <Geotti> Who's peter walsh?
[18:42:17] <martyb> Just a quick update: It appears that SN is coming back up at the moment. thank you for patience as we worked through things.
[18:42:47] <bogi> working for me now, thanks. Looked like a DNS issue, site wasn't resolving for me for a while
[18:42:51] * Geotti thankfully bows to the overlords and benefactor(s).
[18:42:54] <jdccdevel> Up here too.
[18:43:21] <jdccdevel> Geotti: I was wondering the same thing. I notice the whois was updated yesterday though.
[18:43:23] <bogi> but now i get nice, purty responses to SOA requests
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[18:45:02] <Geotti> jdccdevel: isn't that when the transaction happened too?
[18:45:33] <BendingUnit> [E_NOENT] anyone setup a flattr account for matt_ or anything yet?
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[18:47:35] <Geotti> anyway, thanks everyone! keep it going!
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[18:50:07] <FuckBeta> BendingUnit: whats a fattr account, and why would matt_ want one?
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[18:53:44] <SoyBoy3600> so linode and soylent are serving different pages. Why?
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[19:03:40] xlefay changed topic of #Soylent to: SoylentNews is LIVE people, so spread the word! https://soylentnews.org | Wiki: http://sylnt.us | Forums: http://sylnt.us | Code: http://sylnt.us | Got bugs? http://sylnt.us | Who's who? http://sylnt.us | Get Involved: mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org
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[19:09:44] <weeds> dang missed the return on soylent while at lunch. Glad to see it back!
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[19:15:57] <so-lent-nus> I hope there will be lots of interesting comments on both new and old news
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[19:18:44] <so-lent-nus> also lots of semi-non-offtopic-but-related comments, which I something I like too
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[19:22:39] <ancientt> Are we putting 404's in the github site?
[19:22:39] <weeds> btw - thanks for getting SloylentNews up and running!
[19:23:44] <robind> whoo
[19:23:55] <robind> in the end it was because linode hosed our dns on migration
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[19:28:11] <BendingUnit> [cwix] did we loose soylent for a period of time there?
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[19:28:43] <weeds> BendingUnit: wait, what?
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[19:34:29] <weeds> BendingUnit: We did and now it's fixed. Minor problem with migration.
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[19:39:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> what an odd sign-off
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[19:53:24] <Udo> test
[19:53:36] <Udo> kinda quiet in here :/
[19:53:39] <Ingar> Your soundcard works perfectly!
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[19:54:14] <Udo> so ... any exciting news? I see 2 updates, 0 comments on the url
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[19:55:05] <Udo> 2 updates that are not on http://li694-22.members.linode.com ...
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[19:59:24] <gishzida> Hedonismbot?
[19:59:57] <Cactus> Futurama, like all of the bots nicknames.
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[20:00:18] <gishzida> if you need to test your sound card go here: http://dvusmedia.blogspot.com
[20:01:03] <gishzida> Ah... Futurama is after my... time.
[20:02:11] <Cactus> http://theinfosphere.org
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[20:03:08] <gishzida> I used to resemble that, :)
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[20:32:23] <jdccdevel> Anyone know why the comment count on the front page is broken?
[20:32:58] <mrgirlpluggedout> By george, it is.
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[20:33:29] <jdccdevel> Also, the last 3 stories don't show up unless you're logged in.
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[20:35:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> Shhh! They're the secret Cabal-only stories. You'll ruin it for all of us.
[20:36:06] <jdccdevel> Earlier, there was a bot announcing new stories in the channel. I haven't seen any announcements for the T-Mobile, Blue-Ray or Dongle stories here either.
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[20:36:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> Kidding aside, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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[20:37:59] <jdccdevel> +mrgirlpluggedout: No problem! It looks like it happened after the DNS issue... IIRC, the Elephants story was the last one posted before that happened.
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[20:39:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> That's how I remember it as well.
[20:41:22] <mrgirlpluggedout> I notified the systems people, and hopefully this will be sorted out soon, and without further complications. I think we've had enough of those this week :)
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[20:53:15] <jdccdevel> +mrgirlpluggedout: Thanks, it's allways nice to have feedback acted upon promptly ;-)
[20:53:47] <jdccdevel> And I agree about the week so far... Wow.
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[20:59:00] <gishzida> jdccdevel: it was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
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[21:01:03] <Ingar> gishzida: I had a soundcard once that had a "Your soundcard works perfectly" as test wav
[21:01:27] <Ingar> I have forgotten wat brand it was though
[21:01:38] <Ingar> (late '90s)
[21:01:47] <goodi> nothing beats Dr sbaitso
[21:01:52] <Ingar> hahaha
[21:02:05] <mrgirlpluggedout> lol
[21:02:20] <mrgirlpluggedout> Best. Program. Ever.
[21:02:31] <goodi> I know I have insulted the poor guy so many times ;)
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[21:12:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> Me and a friend wasted hours trying to get him to properly pronounce Hebrew. Better than Gobliiins, I tell ya.
[21:13:15] <pbnjoe> Hey everyone! :) can I get a status update?
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[21:15:02] <mrgirlpluggedout> soylentnews.org is up again, with some small bugs that are beung ppp
[21:15:18] <pbnjoe> awesome
[21:15:29] <mrgirlpluggedout> Uh, being sorted out right now
[21:15:47] <arthur> .... that was weird, the whole being down thing
[21:15:53] <pbnjoe> yeah, I had no idea what ppp meant heh
[21:15:59] <Cactus> Whoa, what'd I miss while I was away? Last I heard the DNS issue was resolved.
[21:16:30] <pbnjoe> The site was unreachable for a while earlier
[21:16:40] <pbnjoe> I think it was for maintenance but I wasn't here long enough to find out
[21:17:02] <Cactus> Yeah, I was here when that was dealt with. Nothing new since then?
[21:17:03] <goodi> mrgirlpluggedout: haha
[21:17:22] <goodi> for the sbaitso stuff
[21:17:29] <goodi> not SN being down ;)
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[21:17:35] <pbnjoe> sbaitso stuff? ok, I'm more behind than you are
[21:17:46] <berrance> Think I saw it was that the transfare from linode got screwed up
[21:17:57] <ground> cd
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[21:18:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> pbnjoe, tablet touch keyboard; without tactile feedback, I mistook the P for the DEL key.
[21:18:56] <pbnjoe> ah haha
[21:19:20] <mrgirlpluggedout> Cactus, the comment counters are borked, and the newest stories are only displayed for logged on users. That's it.
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[21:20:18] <Cactus> Oh. Awesome.
[21:21:04] <mrgirlpluggedout> Other than that, though, it's been a good day for SN :)
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[21:21:42] <pbnjoe> domain name belong to staff again?
[21:22:46] <Cactus> pbnjoe: Yeah, it seems the domain deal was resolved, thanks to a benefactor.
[21:22:46] <pbnjoe> i'm eating messy food, i'll write better later
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[21:22:50] <arthur> hmm. i still can't reach it
[21:22:51] <pbnjoe> cool
[21:24:16] <pbnjoe> odd
[21:24:20] <pbnjoe> it's up
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[21:25:37] <arthur> 198.58.127.22?
[21:25:49] <weeds> arthur: try http://li694-22.members.linode.com
[21:26:10] <jdccdevel> arthur: That's what I have, and the site is up for me.
[21:26:40] <arthur> weird, works okay through the linode hostname
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[21:27:38] <Toaster42> What it do?
[21:28:17] * Toaster42 Says, "What it do?"
[21:28:44] <weeds> Had a few issues with the transfer, but sorted pretty fast around noon today (EST)
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[21:29:11] <Toaster42> nice
[21:30:02] <jdccdevel> arthur: I've seen issues where nslookup/dig get the right IP, but the dns cache has the wrong one.... I don't think we changed IPs though, so that's really odd.
[21:30:15] <pbnjoe> They don't think it be like it is but it do
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[21:30:41] <Hedonismbot> [SoylentNews] - Dongle to Stop Password Breaches - http://sylnt.us - It-seems-so-simple || Blu-ray Disks Used to Detect Toxins - http://sylnt.us - well-I-never-thought-of-that || Sprint: Purchase of T-Mobile Promotes Competition - http://sylnt.us - Opposite-Day || Physicist Proposes a New Type of Computing - http://sylnt.us - well-its-worth-a-try
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[21:30:57] <melikamp> mew
[21:31:14] <Cactus> Mewtwo
[21:31:18] <mrgirlpluggedout> FYI, some server bits were restarted. If SN is down for you, please try again.
[21:32:21] <Landon> heh, mass twitter post
[21:32:23] <jdccdevel> +mrgirlpluggedout: Story counters working, and anonymous users can see stories now.
[21:32:43] <pbnjoe> Yay!
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[21:34:14] <mrgirlpluggedout> Everything should be in working order now. If you see something wonky, please inform us. Thank you!
[21:34:14] <mrgirlpluggedout> jdccdevel, thanks for the heads up
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[21:37:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> Well, that was a nice lag. At the risk of repeating myself:
[21:37:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> Everything should be in working order now. If you see something wonky, please inform us. Thank you!
[21:37:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> jdccdevel, thanks for the heads up
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[21:38:39] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> MOO
[21:38:48] <Cactus> OOM
[21:39:08] <jdccdevel> mrgirlpluggedout: No problem, any time! Glad to do my part.
[21:40:08] <SoRRyCow3839> no drama tonight?
[21:40:37] <mrgirlpluggedout> We can start some, if you're up for it.
[21:40:47] <Toaster42> squee!
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[21:41:45] <andrew> !current-uid
[21:41:45] <Hedonismbot> The current maximum UID is 3761, owned by wbfv
[21:42:25] <SoRRyCow3839> another time maybe, just looking for some entertainment
[21:42:29] * CHALLNGEACCPTD punches Toaster42 for dramatic effect
[21:43:17] * CHALLNGEACCPTD hopes he didn't hit a female
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[21:43:30] <xlefay> mrgirlpluggedout: .op
[21:43:32] <robind> lol hedonismbot
[21:43:34] <robind> how delightful
[21:44:03] <mrgirlpluggedout> .op
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[21:44:12] * robind takes a bath in gold-flake chocolate syrup
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[21:44:50] <mrgirlpluggedout> .deop
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[21:45:04] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> robind: >_>
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[21:48:27] <robind> just being hedonistic
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[21:48:57] <Cactus> I apoligize for nothing!
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[21:49:50] <crutchy> mmmm first coffee of the morning is always the best
[21:49:58] * Toaster42 "Oomph!"
[21:50:04] <Toaster42> sry, went afk for a min there
[21:50:15] <melikamp> crutchy++
[21:50:15] <Hedonismbot> karma - crutchy: 32
[21:50:15] <nobbis> wow slow punch
[21:50:17] <Toaster42> pretty piss poor entertainment gaiz, my b
[21:50:41] * CHALLNGEACCPTD juggles his udders
[21:50:45] <melikamp> crutchy==
[21:50:47] <melikamp> crutchy=
[21:50:52] <Cactus> *his* udders
[21:51:11] <Cactus> I'm scared, and maybe a lil aroused.
[21:51:23] * nobbis thinks 'udder juggler' is a good insult
[21:52:27] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> nobbis: I've been called worse
[21:52:54] <nobbis> yeah, you've been wanting to show your udders all day !
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[21:53:43] * CHALLNGEACCPTD gasps but nods anyway
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[21:53:59] <nobbis> but i suppose Cactus enjoys it so...
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[21:55:01] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I won't argue with someone who wields spines
[21:55:14] <nobbis> very wise
[21:55:36] <Cactus> Took me a sec to realize you meant me.
[21:55:57] <Cactus> I was picturing someone brandishing a spinal column in each hand.
[21:56:36] <Cactus> Which sound way more badass than a cactus.
[21:56:59] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> new Mortal Kombat character?
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[21:57:44] <Spinus> Heh
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[22:12:33] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I am confused by this gender nick swapping
[22:13:51] <Cactus> And aroused?
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[22:14:56] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Somewhat
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[22:15:17] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> O_o
[22:16:05] <Cactus> S/he is here, not here, male, female, ghosted, corporeal, plugged in, plugged out.
[22:16:31] <mrgirlpluggedout> And in the astral plane as well.
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[22:17:12] <mrgirlpluggedout> And for the record, I am a he.
[22:17:32] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> fair enough
[22:17:42] <mrgirlpluggedout> Hence the Mr.
[22:17:51] <Cactus> Well, yeah.. but you didn't need to tell people. Way more fun to let people try and guess.
[22:17:59] <mrgirlpluggedout> Also, I am not girlintraining.
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[22:18:33] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I see now the distinct lack of mod plus sign whose absence I overlooked earlier
[22:18:39] <mrgirlpluggedout> Cactus, it got complicated.
[22:18:48] <Cactus> Oh my!
[22:19:13] <Cactus> Was it a sordid affair? Did it end up like the Crying Game?
[22:19:40] <mrgirlpluggedout> :(
[22:19:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> TBH I assumed there was a couple nick sharing and the nick swapping I perceived was a cordial way to indicate who was at keyboard
[22:20:24] <mrgirlpluggedout> lol that's brilliant
[22:20:39] <mrgirlpluggedout> Reality is far more boring
[22:20:43] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I actually thought it was a good system
[22:20:43] <robind> also girl plugged in is some disturbing shit
[22:20:48] <Cactus> I just figured since we are on the internet, everyone knew it was a man.
[22:20:56] <mrgirlpluggedout> Cactus, EXACTLY
[22:21:05] <mrgirlpluggedout> CHALLNGEACCPTD, it *is* a good system.
[22:21:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> Sounds like it, anyway.
[22:21:18] <Hedonismbot> [SoylentNews] - Happy Developers Are Better Problem Solvers - http://sylnt.us - i-thought-those-perks-were-meant-to-keep-us-at-the-office-until-dawn
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[22:21:36] <mrgirlpluggedout> Also, http://en.wikipedia.org
[22:22:06] <Cactus> ^ worth reading.
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[22:22:40] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[22:23:02] <MrBluze> Hi crutchy how are ya
[22:23:08] <crutchy> about to take the kiddywinks to skool and off to work
[22:23:15] <crutchy> just finishing off coffee
[22:23:28] <MrBluze> Yeah same
[22:23:29] <crutchy> gotta brush my little girls' hair
[22:23:34] <crutchy> cyas later
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[22:24:28] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> buhbye
[22:24:41] * CHALLNGEACCPTD clicks the wikilink
[22:26:24] <ancientt> girlwhowaspluggedout is user 1223, is that also you mrgirlpluggedout
[22:26:37] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yeppers.
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[22:27:02] <mrgirlpluggedout> I can't change the nick on SN, but I might as well do it here.
[22:27:23] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> mrgirlpluggedout: Nice story
[22:27:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> It's actually my least favorite of hers.
[22:27:45] * CHALLNGEACCPTD grew up on Bradbury at a very almost too young age
[22:27:52] <mrgirlpluggedout> But it's the first of hers I read.
[22:28:15] * CHALLNGEACCPTD tips hat to you
[22:29:05] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Well that author is just all sorts of interesting, gracias
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[22:31:27] <mrgirlpluggedout> Most of her work was in short stories. Star Songs of an Old Primate is a very good collection. But I heartly recommend her only novel (I think), Up the Walls of the World.
[22:31:47] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> mrgirlpluggedout: noted
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[22:32:56] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> that story reminded me of Billy the similarly hooked up in Frank Miller's Ronin
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[22:34:59] <mrgirlpluggedout> Never read it. In fact, I don't think I've read any of his comics.
[22:35:12] <mrgirlpluggedout> Oh, I did.
[22:35:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> The Martha Washington ones.
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[22:37:01] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I skipped those, he'd lost me by then I think
[22:38:29] <NightHawk> Hmmm, SN has something up with it's template. On a full HD display I have a horizontal scrollbar
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[22:39:19] <NightHawk> about 260px to the right of empty space.
[22:39:43] <Ingar> might have to do with the fortune being all the way on the right
[22:40:02] <NightHawk> n/m, it's a long journal entry title...
[22:41:23] <frojack> Been away, can anyone point me to a link about the outcome of Yesterday's drama? Something was promised by Mattie, but I haven't found it.
[22:41:29] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks, NightHawk, I passed it on those in charge.
[22:42:41] <NightHawk> n/p
[22:43:13] <NightHawk> what is that in ascii anyway? it's not divisible by 8...
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[22:44:18] <NightHawk> The title anyway, body decodes okay
[22:45:19] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> http://soylentnews.org
[22:45:20] <NightHawk> Sorry, ignore all that, either have too much or not enough caffine in me yet.
[22:45:43] * CHALLNGEACCPTD replied to frojack
[22:47:05] <mattie_p> New Poll posted: http://soylentnews.org
[22:47:58] <frojack> So still in discussions? and nothing new?
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[22:48:17] <mattie_p> frojack I haven't posted anything yet
[22:48:43] <mattie_p> was working on the fire from yesterday, then took some time off, and then new fires today, frojack
[22:48:50] <mattie_p> I'll post something at some point
[22:49:00] <mattie_p> within the next 6-8 hours, probably
[22:49:15] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> mattie_p: thanks
[22:49:24] <frojack> Cool. Just wondering if anything has been settled.
[22:49:33] <mattie_p> CHALLNGEACCEPTD yw
[22:49:44] <jdccdevel> NightHawk: It's from the a journal entry title for user barrahome
[22:50:23] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ^ which looks trollingish
[22:50:33] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> The journal entry, that is
[22:51:24] <mattie_p> I've seen it, someone interpreted yesterday
[22:51:36] <NightHawk> *nods*, I know. Not awake yet -.-
[22:51:38] <mattie_p> Its by an IRC user on this channel right now
[22:52:09] <mattie_p> we're looking into the bleedover bug right now
[22:52:18] <NightHawk> I put it through http://www.roubaixinteractive.com
[22:52:38] <jdccdevel> NightHawk: And?
[22:52:53] <swiss> mattie_p: where's my "surewhynot" option
[22:53:36] <mattie_p> swiss: on the poll? it was suggested by someone that "One of the above" might fill that void
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[22:54:09] <NightHawk> jdccdevel - Just posted incase others were currious
[22:54:10] <swiss> lol
[22:54:14] <swiss> mattie_p: mostly joking
[22:54:46] <swiss> i don't think the IRC network thing is a big deal. Freenode and this aren't really that different, and it's not like it's hard to connect to two servers
[22:55:02] <swiss> most poeple who complain over it are just looking for something to complain over imo
[22:55:14] * CHALLNGEACCPTD notes that freenode is blocked at his location
[22:55:23] <mattie_p> actually, I should move "none of the above to the 2nd to last slot", and "one of the above" to the last slot.
[22:55:30] <mattie_p> I'll remember that for next poll
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[22:56:47] <ancientt> CHALLNGEACCPTD: good point I hadn't considered. We'd see the opposite type scenario, where uncategorized stuff (like new sites like SN) get blocked
[22:56:49] <jdccdevel> NightHawk: Thanks. I see it's a not a troll... Not sure why he posted in binary though. Thanks for the link.!
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[22:57:40] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ancientt: thanks much
[22:57:48] <NightHawk> possibly for the 1337 factor?
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[22:59:04] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> NightHawk: probably, our overlord uses OpenDNS so I get "Sorry, but freenode.net is blocked on this network. This site was categorized in: Chat, Non-Profits"
[22:59:41] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> I'm a full Domain Admin, but I'd rather not have that discussion / open that can of worms
[22:59:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Yet Reddit is free and in the clear >_>
[23:01:11] <ancientt> one of our domain admins often uses freenode ##windows-server to find help, so it has to be unblocked for at least me ^^him
[23:01:25] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ancientt: heh
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[23:02:44] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> ancientt: I've seen higher powers have Reddit's tech sub onscreen - I backed slowly away, frightened
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[23:03:13] <ancientt_afk> heh
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[23:10:39] * CHALLNGEACCPTD notes that the new poll is not yet pushed to the front page sidebar, the older poll is still showing there
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[23:18:06] <NightHawk> Okay, everybody be cool and don't tell my wife I'm putting a motherboard in the oven ;-)
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[23:18:39] <mattie_p> CHALLNGEACCPTD: known issue, but not a terrible priority
[23:18:45] <mattie_p> thanks for reminding us though
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[23:21:36] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> mattie_p: had no idea, thx -_-
[23:21:58] <mattie_p> you can always check the github to look for bugs that have been posted if you are interested
[23:22:49] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> mattie_p: I shall go forth and do that
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[23:32:01] <NightHawk> *cringes*, feels so wrong baking a motherboard.
[23:34:16] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> NightHawk: why, bro, why u do this?
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[23:34:54] <NightHawk> half-arsed solder reflow attempt on a dead laptop motherboard
[23:35:16] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> If you've clay scupted a giant 'Zilla to conquer the mobo-scape.....then I'm impressed
[23:35:58] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> NightHawk: that is super-serious hackery there
[23:36:35] <NightHawk> Seems to work for some people, figured what have I got to lose.
[23:37:01] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Don't inhale on pull-out
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[23:37:31] <NightHawk> I may have not heated it sufficently, crappy temp gauge, it's cooling ATM
[23:38:16] <Khyber> Please tell me you were reflow soldering using a properly-tipped air soldering gun
[23:38:52] <NightHawk> Can't, Laptop board. Points are too small
[23:40:29] <swiss> boot it under oil now
[23:41:08] <Khyber> A small-tipped reflow soldering tool is meant for small boardwork like that. It's what I used repairing TCONs for LCD panels. What's you try to reflow, the GPU?
[23:41:12] <swiss> NightHawk: https://www.youtube.com
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[23:42:10] <NightHawk> The board in general. It was damaged by liquid but I figured it's worth a shot. Cleaned off corrosion with alchohol first, this may help if it's just dry joints
[23:42:16] <swiss> NightHawk: http://hardforum.com
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[23:42:43] <Cyprus> Anyone know if they're still looking for help?
[23:43:28] <NightHawk> Damn, ISA slots :-D
[23:43:40] <mattie_p> if who is looking for help?
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[23:44:31] <Cyprus> Site
[23:45:22] <Khyber> Only person I know of looking for help just reserved a time slot from me in Google Helpouts, sorry.
[23:45:53] <Cyprus> lol. What is google helpouts? Never heard of it
[23:47:03] <Khyber> People reserve a time slot from me, pay $5 for 15 minutes of my time, I help them out over a live video conference.
[23:47:04] <Cyprus> ahh, nvm. Found it
[23:47:23] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Nifty
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[23:49:16] <Cyprus> ahh, nice. Should have read the topic before asking answered question
[23:51:04] * Khyber looks over the pre-sent stuff, huhs. This person reserved way too much time for what's being asked of him
[23:52:00] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Khyber: perhaps they are just lonely
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[23:55:27] <Khyber> Nah. Return client :D
[23:55:33] <Khyber> New to hydroponics
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[23:57:01] <CHALLNGEACCPTD> Very good, then
[23:57:04] <NightHawk> Meh, 1st attempt - no go.