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[00:31:34] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - SOFIA - A First-Class View of a Supernova - http://sylnt.us - stars-in-their-eyes
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[00:36:01] <kobach> FatPhil: exactly what are you doing to idlenerds
[00:36:02] <kobach> lol
[00:36:43] <FatPhil> Trying to get as many item drops as possible, I need to check the grammar of them all
[00:37:00] <kobach> ahh
[00:37:10] <FatPhil> likewise battles. sometimes the victor will steal a better item off the loser.
[00:37:21] <kobach> indeed
[00:37:46] <FatPhil> I'm on the 4th different version of the code already today. It's bloody hard to get the code to get the grammar right when it has absolutely no idea what's in the data files.
[00:37:59] <kobach> indeed
[00:38:13] <FatPhil> does your inventory look like reasonable english?
[00:38:33] <kobach> is there a cmmand for inventory? let me check my msgs from the bot
[00:38:43] <kobach> /msg bot inventory?
[00:38:55] <kobach> yup
[00:39:15] <kobach> mother of god
[00:39:23] <kobach> the level 162 Ray Kurzweil's direct retinal
[00:39:24] <kobach> holoprojection unit
[00:39:58] <kobach> i also have a 500mhz proc, linus' final version of linux, and a level 43 coffee machine
[00:40:01] <kobach> among other things
[00:40:23] <kobach> <nerdbot> You are carrying a level 38 graphics card, a 100GB hard disk, a 2560 kbps ADSL modem, a level 43 wireless card, the level 162 Ray Kurzweil's direct retinal holoprojection unit, a level 27 USB key, a 500 MHz processor, a level 29 RAM, the level 76 Linus's final bug-free Ready for the Desktop version of Linux, and a level 43 coffee machine.
[00:41:38] <FatPhil> Looks OK. Now I've got to just make sure I don't f*ck that list up while trying to get the battle/finding messages to make more sense.
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[00:42:40] <FatPhil> There's no command to force a fight, so I'm trying to cause the level-up battles to happen more often
[00:42:58] <kobach> lol
[00:43:02] <Khyber> Nigga plz
[00:43:09] <Khyber> I'm the boss of the internet
[00:43:18] <Khyber> I stomp my feet Cali dies agri. wise
[00:43:23] <Khyber> the rest of the world follows
[00:43:29] <Khyber> andyou ain't forcing me
[00:43:43] <Khyber> I'l just laugh and slip under my proby radar and end ya
[00:44:10] <Khyber> so sit back and STFU nigga.
[00:44:27] <Khyber> *eof
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[00:45:41] <kobach> sup Cryptobandar
[00:46:15] <Cryptobandar> Yo, kobach! Got a new craptop. Old one overheated making a backup.
[00:46:21] <kobach> lol
[00:46:30] <kobach> should have cleaned that shit out more often
[00:46:40] <kobach> :p
[00:46:43] <Cryptobandar> No kidding.
[00:46:45] <kobach> i hear its snowing
[00:47:18] <Cryptobandar> Last time I cleaned the heat vent. This time it was still clean, so no excuse for overheating.
[00:47:24] <kobach> lol
[00:47:31] <kobach> just shit design
[00:47:33] <kobach> what make was it
[00:47:34] <kobach> hp?
[00:47:37] <Cryptobandar> Yeah, snowing a good bit here.
[00:47:39] <Cryptobandar> Acer.
[00:47:46] <kobach> lol thats too bad
[00:47:48] <kobach> oh well
[00:48:43] <Cryptobandar> At least it lasted long enough to get my crap off it.
[00:48:49] <kobach> indeed
[00:49:02] <Cryptobandar> My best friend is rsync!
[00:49:06] <kobach> lol
[00:50:26] <Cryptobandar> How are things with you?
[00:50:46] <kobach> not bad, about to light up
[00:51:00] <Cryptobandar> Heh, got resupplied?
[00:51:18] <kobach> yup, not cheap but cheaper than a trip to CO
[00:51:26] <kobach> 340 for an o
[00:51:32] <Cryptobandar> Blame El Chapo!
[00:51:47] <kobach> vs 166 just for the drive
[00:51:59] <kobach> not to mention 24+hrs travel time
[00:52:21] <Cryptobandar> That drive is a killer.
[00:53:00] <kobach> nah i got a VW its like driving just down the road
[00:53:20] <kobach> as long as you dont look at the clock
[00:53:25] <kobach> or the sun
[00:53:28] <Cryptobandar> Weather makes it much worse. Too many people think 4x4 rhymes with "invincible."
[00:53:28] <kobach> lol
[00:53:35] <kobach> too many people are idiots
[00:53:40] <kobach> for that very reason
[00:53:59] <kobach> especially the ones that put mud tires on and expect them to do good in the winter
[00:54:13] <kobach> mud tires are good for mud, and thats literally it
[00:54:26] <kobach> they provide abysmal traction on roads in all conditions
[00:54:53] <Cryptobandar> We get a lot of people from CA and TX, boy are they surprised in their first winter.
[00:54:58] <kobach> LOL
[00:55:36] <kobach> yea it always feels weird meeting people encountering snow for their first time
[00:56:42] * kobach nudges Khyber and mentions memphis
[00:56:53] <kobach> remember how much you love that city?
[00:56:54] <Cryptobandar> If they just take it to a parking lot and practice a bit, it wouldn't end so badly.
[00:56:55] <Khyber> FUCK MEMPHIS
[00:57:00] <kobach> LOL
[00:57:04] <Cryptobandar> Memphis--
[00:57:04] <Juggalo> karma - memphis: -1
[00:57:08] <kobach> memphis--
[00:57:08] <Juggalo> karma - memphis: -2
[00:57:10] <Khyber> Memphrica--
[00:57:11] <Juggalo> karma - memphrica: -1
[00:57:43] <Khyber> Even the black population calls it Memphrica or (HWY 385) the African Autobahn
[00:57:53] <Khyber> and I'm 1/8 black so FUCK YOU NIGGAZ
[00:58:05] <kobach> lol negros
[00:58:27] <Khyber> I got the big dick and nothign else! I got lucky
[00:58:47] <Cryptobandar> Unlike other cities, there is no "bad part of town." It's the whole thing.
[00:58:53] <kobach> ^
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[00:59:37] <kobach> hi mrcoolbp
[00:59:47] <mrcoolbp> hey, only here for a minute
[01:01:43] <Cryptobandar> Ugh, have to redo my strongswan config. Forgot to back that up. Maybe that machine can last a little longer...
[01:01:52] <kobach> lol
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[01:02:17] <kobach> Cryptobandar: got room to put up a stranger for a night? or a parking spot/shower?
[01:02:50] <Cryptobandar> Not until I do a good cleanout.
[01:02:56] <kobach> oh this wont be for some time
[01:02:57] <Cryptobandar> Sorry.
[01:03:07] <kobach> months
[01:03:18] <kobach> potentially even years who knows
[01:03:27] <Cryptobandar> Oh, heh. Then probably!
[01:03:37] <kobach> lol
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[01:04:21] <kobach> uh oh look out
[01:04:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Ruh-roh.
[01:04:44] <kobach> mr solvent is here to save the day
[01:06:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Ever live in an apartment complex and had a neighbor who was so lazy, they just left their full trash bags on their doorstep?
[01:07:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, rephrasing the question: How much would it cost to get a high-power amp at 2.4 GHz, couple its output into a floodhorn, and point that floodhorn right at the wall you share with that neighbor?
[01:07:57] <Cryptobandar> Yeah! Didn't smell pleasant. I don't know what they ate, but it fermented into something horrible.
[01:08:23] <Cryptobandar> $800 for a good sized guitar amp.
[01:09:07] <FoobarBazbot> Cryptobandar: 2.4GHz. He wants to murder their wifi, not their ears
[01:09:19] <FoobarBazbot> (also bluetooth, etc.)
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[01:09:46] <Cryptobandar> Well, ears make a good target.
[01:09:56] <FoobarBazbot> Or maybe microwave their entire apartment... not sure what "high-power" means in this context.
[01:10:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Bandar: Mesa/Bookie Dual-Rectifier half-stack..check.
[01:10:06] <Khyber> Umm, I just hit serious censorship and it better get FUCKING fixed fast
[01:10:17] <Khyber> Two instances of the word FUCK trigger a filter
[01:10:17] <Cryptobandar> Apartments mostly just suck.
[01:10:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Ibanez superstrat with seymour-Duncans check.
[01:10:23] <Khyber> GET THAT FUCKING SHIT OUT *NOW*
[01:10:33] <Khyber> Or 400 TB/s cloud nailing comes upon you
[01:10:46] <Khyber> I have the bandwidth running a massive video chat cloud server.
[01:10:47] <kobach> Khyber got caught by anti-spam filters?
[01:10:51] <Khyber> thqt you ignored
[01:10:53] <Khyber> Let's dance
[01:10:59] <kobach> dance with linode?
[01:11:01] <Khyber> No, I got caught by profanity filters
[01:11:05] <Khyber> no links in the post AT ALL
[01:11:13] <Khyber> Remove ONE fuck, still won't post
[01:11:19] <Khyber> Remove a second FUCK, suddenly it will post
[01:11:27] <kobach> ok well i cant help you there, thats not my dept
[01:11:31] <Khyber> after trying each of the other posts twice afterwards
[01:11:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Uh-oh Khyber...assuming you aren't full of shit, I'm gonna bail if they're censoring cursing from posts.
[01:11:41] <Khyber> NCOMMANDER WHAT THE FUCK SIR
[01:11:48] <kobach> yea ask him or someone
[01:11:55] <Khyber> I ust did
[01:11:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Everybody already thinks I'm an asshole, haha.
[01:11:59] <kobach> theyll see it eventually
[01:12:01] <Khyber> by calling his name publicly in this channel
[01:12:10] <Khyber> I just reproduced it four times
[01:12:11] <Cryptobandar> Probably something legacy from slashcode.
[01:12:13] <Khyber> It's a profanity filter
[01:12:18] <Khyber> GET THAT SHIT THE FUCK OUT NOW\
[01:12:22] <kobach> calm your tits
[01:12:25] <Khyber> Or 400 TB/S and you can't afford that.
[01:12:34] <Khyber> Umm, this filter is OBVIOUS
[01:12:39] <kobach> i dont think any of them care about how many tb/s
[01:12:41] <kobach> lol
[01:12:44] <Khyber> Dunno if you've seen the code but I downloaded it ymself
[01:12:46] <Khyber> too easy to see
[01:12:52] <kobach> you're threatening no one but the people who use the site
[01:12:53] <Khyber> they get charged by bandwidth overages
[01:13:16] <Khyber> And I will not tolerate this kind of censorship against anyone else
[01:13:20] <kobach> i think DoS protection mitigates that
[01:13:25] <Khyber> They wanna get off the ground, I can hold the final key, period
[01:13:36] <Khyber> it doesn't when I'm using multiple changing cloud attacks
[01:13:38] <Cactus> Yeah... I'm pretty sure that filter wasn't something that was intentionally put in.
[01:13:38] <kobach> lol
[01:13:43] <Khyber> how the fuck else you think I'm getting 400TB/s?
[01:13:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Khyber, have you been chewing on the Khat again?
[01:13:51] <Khyber> I'm not doing that with a couple shitty datacenters
[01:13:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Peyote?
[01:13:57] <Khyber> I dont' do Khat.
[01:14:01] <Khyber> Khat is shit opiate wannabe
[01:14:04] <Cactus> Jenkum
[01:14:08] <kobach> i dont think they care if you threw every data center at them lol
[01:14:11] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHahah Jenkum!
[01:14:27] <Khyber> How about we test that, then, hmmm
[01:14:38] <Khyber> $10K bandwidth bill outta get some atention
[01:14:39] <Ethanol-fueled> that Hydrigen Sulfide is no joke...if you can smell it, you're already dead!
[01:15:05] <Khyber> well then obviosuly I'm not on it or immune already beause I've been dead twice! :D
[01:15:15] <kobach> test it then, take the site down forever, ruin it for 3600 people
[01:15:20] <kobach> who cares
[01:15:26] <Khyber> any ways, fix the problem. This is a bug wrse than mods being able to see logged-in posts made as anon
[01:15:38] <Cryptobandar> Khyber: That makes you a zombie!
[01:15:45] <Ethanol-fueled> ping -f soylentnews.com
[01:16:09] <Ethanol-fueled> bam, mission accompllished. And somebody's openbsd server running on a 386 freezes. So what?
[01:17:05] <Khyber> If you're going to censor a couple of FUCKS, you don't need to be online. Period.
[01:17:19] <Khyber> You're a fuckign hypocrite after money if you're using this site in that manner
[01:17:21] <Khyber> period
[01:17:25] <Cryptobandar> Call it a bug, I'm not sure it was left in intentionally.
[01:17:29] <crutchy> i fucking hate it when people fucking swear
[01:17:30] <kobach> get angrier
[01:17:31] <crutchy> ...fucking
[01:17:32] <kobach> itll fix it
[01:17:37] <Khyber> IT IS FUCKING OBVIOUS LOOKING AT OLD SLASHCODE.
[01:17:45] <Khyber> It's purposefully built in
[01:17:48] <kobach> if you yell at it more itll start working
[01:17:54] <Cryptobandar> I believe you.
[01:17:59] <Khyber> it's part of the loudness filter though it activates even if done in lowercase
[01:18:17] <Khyber> Which I remember, Taco had issues with the f word.
[01:18:18] <Cryptobandar> I'd still call it a bug and someone will remove it.
[01:18:28] <Khyber> it's not a bug when purposefully implemented
[01:18:33] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, the founders of Slashdot went to a christian college.
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[01:18:45] <Khyber> Only one did
[01:18:50] <Khyber> one went to high school with me
[01:18:51] <Ethanol-fueled> no, at least two did.
[01:18:53] <Khyber> plz try again
[01:19:08] <Ethanol-fueled> numbers one and two.
[01:19:17] <crutchy> lol reminds me of mother from alien resurrection
[01:19:18] <Khyber> names or quit lying
[01:19:18] <kobach> fuck taco
[01:19:26] <crutchy> "please try again"
[01:19:40] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't know what their names are. Bespactacled weenie and neckbearded fatso.
[01:20:09] <Khyber> so you just said bullshit without proof. One went to Briarcrest Christian in Memphis, with me. 1994-1995
[01:20:19] <Khyber> that should be enough info for real technology people to utilize
[01:20:26] <Khyber> otherise, failures, liars, bulshitters
[01:20:53] <Cryptobandar> You said the M word again! Memphis--
[01:21:01] <Khyber> Memphis--
[01:21:01] <Juggalo> karma - memphis: -3
[01:21:02] <Ethanol-fueled> *sniff...yeah, I'm a fraud...a sham...what am I doing here....in life? IN LIFE?!*
[01:21:07] <crutchy> definitely a swear word
[01:21:07] <Ethanol-fueled> South--
[01:21:09] <Juggalo> karma - south: -1
[01:21:13] <Khyber> Well, you are a fraud Ethanol. :3
[01:21:25] <Khyber> You refuse to provide much of any proof. I can provide live video and pictures with timestamps
[01:21:30] <Khyber> you've shown jack, so......
[01:21:36] <crutchy> hopefully not pornographic
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[01:21:53] <Cryptobandar> That was a quick Rule 34...
[01:22:09] <crutchy> live video from 1994-1995... straight from the wormhole channel :-P
[01:22:10] <pbnjoe> evening everyone :)
[01:22:15] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, I trolled slashdot and now I troll soylent news because I had no friends in grade school...and I acted out my loneliness bullying others...displacing the void in my heart upon others.
[01:22:24] <Khyber> crutchy has no clue about indio codec and parallel-port webcams
[01:22:36] <crutchy> hi pbnjow
[01:22:49] <Cryptobandar> Hey pbnjoe
[01:23:19] <crutchy> nah i don't... couldn't even make fun of that *starts drinking first coffee of the morning*
[01:23:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Good evening, PBN Joe.
[01:23:56] * pbnjoe waves at everyone
[01:23:57] <Khyber> yea, guess what? My deaf-capable video chat runs a modified Indio :) and beats out anything else in framerate for now
[01:24:03] <crutchy> oh btw... good morning khyber :-)
[01:24:12] <Khyber> nigga it's 4:20PM LOL
[01:24:27] <crutchy> not here it aint
[01:24:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Uh-oh, framerate masturbators.
[01:24:58] <Khyber> It's 420 somewhere, even in your time zone lol
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[01:25:19] <Ethanol-fueled> The computer geek equivalent of driving an F-350 with a 2-foot Californai lift.
[01:25:38] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, it's 4:25 here.
[01:26:09] <Ethanol-fueled> And you are scum, because only tweekers live where you do.
[01:26:16] <Ethanol-fueled> I've bought meth there, I know.
[01:26:43] <crutchy> that's disturbing
[01:26:57] <Cryptobandar> Blue?
[01:27:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I stoped smoking it back when it was clear-translucent "Ice"
[01:27:19] <pbnjoe> "I AM the one who tweaks", says Ethanol-fueled
[01:27:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I'm going to rob an old lady now and beat her over the head with her purse.
[01:28:06] <pbnjoe> ok, ok, *said*
[01:28:54] <pbnjoe> :P
[01:29:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Old ladies always have cash, they don't understand debit cards and checks take too much time to write in the checkout line.
[01:29:06] <Cactus> Subsentient, PM when you have a sec.
[01:29:34] <Ethanol-fueled> You go to a part of town where the well-off baby-boomer retirees are. It's like taking candy from a baby. To buy more candy called meth.
[01:30:12] <Khyber> Bitch, you ain't even had good meth. No anhydrous-based? Weak chemistry. Enjoy your riot-gas crap
[01:30:17] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Austin has highest "Salaries for Tech Workers" - http://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
[01:30:28] <kobach> dont do meth
[01:30:38] <pbnjoe> Speaking of meth, about 3 feet away from me I have a framed drawing, made by a man who has a PhD in Mathematics and once snorted meth
[01:30:44] * Khyber ,professional meth-maker since Mississippi prison
[01:30:45] <pbnjoe> now he spends all day at a computer
[01:30:47] <pbnjoe> all night, rather
[01:30:59] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber - is "having had good meth" something to be proud of? The food-snob in you is coming out. Next you'll say that Uni is "sublime" and bone-marrow is "unctuous"
[01:31:04] <pbnjoe> props to anyone who knows who it is
[01:31:09] <kobach> yes
[01:31:22] <Khyber> Having good meth that won't kill you on first hit is indeed somethign any chemist should be proud of.
[01:31:25] <pbnjoe> "yes"?
[01:31:30] <kobach> no yes to meth pbnjoe
[01:31:34] <kobach> sry for the confusion
[01:31:41] <pbnjoe> oh
[01:31:41] <pbnjoe> haha
[01:31:47] <Khyber> because to fuck it up means you give a double-hydroxy chained ephedrine to a person, which will usually cause heart attack
[01:32:15] <Khyber> meth is a single hydroxy-chain
[01:32:38] <Khyber> and shit I've only made it twice after prison
[01:32:54] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, did you have your shit pushed in while you were in the joint?
[01:33:08] <Khyber> Nope, they were scared of me pushing it in and giving them AIDS
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[01:33:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Bullshit, you were gulpin' gravy all the way through, you were traded for packs of Newports.
[01:34:02] <kobach> rofl
[01:34:04] <Cactus> haha
[01:34:05] <kobach> owned
[01:34:38] <pbnjoe> Buncha professionals in this channel
[01:34:39] <pbnjoe> haha
[01:34:42] <Khyber> Yea, me, in the RID program, top-class leader. I got my own bunk and room, and everyone else was my bitch if they didn't do right on the drill pad.
[01:34:48] <Khyber> Joys of having good lawyers
[01:35:12] <Khyber> Now, you, Ethanol, you sound like a voice of personal experience.
[01:35:22] <Khyber> Have fun during your stint, eh?
[01:35:43] <crutchy> is it just me or does soylent seem more like a business venture than a community-driven development project?
[01:35:45] <Khyber> Didnt' have to bury AIDS-plagued dead people at Parchman, did you? You were too busy catchign for them
[01:35:49] <Khyber> their last request
[01:35:56] <Khyber> It's both
[01:35:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Not me, my brother was, though. Never got raped, but he did tell me that if you don't go to the stall to fart and somebody ends up smelling your fart in a communal area, they beat your ass.
[01:36:03] <Khyber> gotta pay the bills yet keep a comunity
[01:36:20] <Khyber> Your brother must be in some shithole without security
[01:36:27] <mattie_p> crutchy: no one has made a profit, nor do we expect anyone to make a profit any time soon
[01:36:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Khyber: L.A. county
[01:36:52] <mattie_p> it is community driven in that anyone can participate if you have skills or knowledge to put to use
[01:36:52] <Khyber> Parchman, MS. Worst prison ranked in the USA. We RIDders buried the people that died and nobody came to claim the body.
[01:36:58] <crutchy> hi mattie_p
[01:37:04] <Ethanol-fueled> My bro is always getting in trouble out in Riverside, he told me it was pretty cool in jail out there.
[01:37:16] <mattie_p> like me: I have absolutely no useful knowledge, just a lot of questions
[01:37:20] <Khyber> We've had to personally stop prison takeovers and riots, as we were the only real man-powered security force
[01:37:31] <mattie_p> people think that means I have management skills and thus I am here
[01:37:35] <Khyber> plus D-block niggers taunted us, so when they went stupid, so did we when we got inside
[01:37:35] <crutchy> i'm full of questions too mattie_p :-)
[01:37:49] <Ethanol-fueled> mattie: accept donations and offer the option to generate personalized reports based on comment history for money
[01:37:50] <mattie_p> its all a lie, but since I'm in, its all good
[01:37:52] <kobach> lol
[01:38:04] <Ethanol-fueled> charge a flat rate so people don't bitch
[01:38:04] <useless> hehe
[01:38:15] <pbnjoe> Ethanol-fueled they've gotta be registered a NP first
[01:38:36] <crutchy> i would never volunteer my time and effort for anything that i thought was (or might become) a for-profit venture
[01:38:40] <Ethanol-fueled> mattiep: this is more likely somebody's AI project
[01:38:43] <pbnjoe> I think that's what I remember reading in that log
[01:39:08] <crutchy> that's just me though i guess
[01:39:39] <kobach> hi pbnjoe
[01:39:46] <crutchy> artificial insemination?
[01:40:05] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet KDawson and Michael are behind all this, to finally get revenge for being booted as slashdot editors.
[01:40:09] <Cactus> crutchy, some kind of a non-profit is the goal. Aint no one here want this to become an organization beholden to a group of shareholders.
[01:40:35] <crutchy> i hope so. things seem like they're in a bit of a lurch at the moment though
[01:40:45] <pbnjoe> hey kobach.
[01:41:15] <crutchy> oh hi kobach... didn't see you very well in that dark purple you're wearing today :-P
[01:41:20] <kobach> how are you tonight
[01:41:22] <kobach> sup crutchy
[01:41:25] <kobach> you have dark blue on
[01:41:29] <crutchy> lol
[01:41:33] <crutchy> i do like blue
[01:41:36] <mattie_p> crutchy I understand that sentiment, but we'll have something soon on that front, I think
[01:41:50] <kobach> btw im taking dnations
[01:41:56] <kobach> if anyone wants to donate ill send you my paypal
[01:42:14] <crutchy> hopefully not for an artificial insemination project?
[01:42:19] <kobach> no
[01:42:22] <kobach> just a bacon project
[01:42:30] <crutchy> oh well then that's different
[01:42:32] <crutchy> bacon++
[01:42:32] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 114
[01:42:33] <mattie_p> anyway, gotta shovel some slush before it freezes
[01:42:37] <kobach> cya mattie
[01:42:43] <Khyber> <-----crutchy, some kind of a non-profit is the goal. *BUT* that doesn't preclude high pay rates for site runners. You better understand how a non-profit works to see how they can get away with 90+% intake never going anywhere but to employees.
[01:42:54] <mattie_p> crutchy++ #likes bacon
[01:42:55] <Juggalo> karma - crutchy: 31
[01:42:55] <crutchy> bye mattip_p hopefully slush not too frozed
[01:42:56] <kobach> hes still raging
[01:43:06] <kobach> snow--
[01:43:06] <Juggalo> karma - snow: -1
[01:43:15] <useless> snow++
[01:43:15] <Juggalo> karma - snow: 0
[01:43:19] <useless> ;)
[01:43:22] <kobach> no
[01:43:22] <Cryptobandar> snow--
[01:43:22] <Juggalo> karma - snow: -1
[01:43:24] <kobach> snow--
[01:43:24] <Juggalo> karma - snow: -2
[01:43:26] <mattie_p> snow--
[01:43:26] <Juggalo> karma - snow: -3
[01:43:28] <pbnjoe> snow--
[01:43:29] <Juggalo> karma - snow: -4
[01:43:38] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:38] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 1
[01:43:40] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:40] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 2
[01:43:41] <crutchy> i wouldn't necessarily donate my time to a non-profit either
[01:43:42] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:42] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 3
[01:43:43] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:43] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 4
[01:43:45] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:45] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 5
[01:43:46] <Khyber> polarvortex++
[01:43:46] <Juggalo> karma - polarvortex: 6
[01:43:47] <Cryptobandar> Had enough for one winter here.
[01:43:55] <kobach> lol
[01:43:56] <crutchy> there are plenty of dodgy non-profits out there
[01:43:59] <kobach> i have none projected
[01:44:06] <kobach> oh wait shit theyre saying ice wednesday
[01:44:08] <kobach> god damnit
[01:44:21] * Khyber basks in sunny SoCal weather. 70+F
[01:44:33] <Cryptobandar> Heh!
[01:44:52] <kobach> its going to be above freezing almost all the time the next week though
[01:45:00] <Khyber> almost :P
[01:45:01] <crutchy> i think that's kinda why i like the foss model... everyone benefits (or even profits) but nobody holds the keys
[01:45:09] <kobach> today was 65, monday tuesday itll be 70
[01:45:14] <Khyber> Anyone can hold the key in FOSS
[01:45:20] <Khyber> they ust need an exploit nobody knows about
[01:45:29] <Khyber> just to be smarter
[01:45:48] <crutchy> i'm sure oracle thought they held the key to mysql too... before mariadb
[01:46:39] <Cryptobandar> They were used to buying competing companies. That doesn
[01:46:59] <Cryptobandar> That doesn't fly when anyone can fork.
[01:47:43] <kobach> bacon++
[01:47:43] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 115
[01:47:43] <crutchy> i'm sure there are plenty of very smart people in foss, that probably think they own various keys, but there are a lot of other people with a close eye on foss that can find exploits, and as crypto said, if it turns to shit, it can get forked
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[01:47:51] <crutchy> bacon++
[01:47:51] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 116
[01:48:22] <crutchy> kinda like what happened to /. in a way
[01:48:23] <Khyber> Yea, you can fork a buggy version that has more exploits that the attacker knows about already. This is why Camfrog went proprietary after 2.35
[01:48:58] <Khyber> and then those same bugs still hit them in 3.7 because they didn't change codebase and left old vulns in
[01:49:09] <crutchy> or you could just fork a not-so-buggy version
[01:49:09] <kobach> or you can just get drunk and rage on irc
[01:49:15] <Cryptobandar> It doees mean that both whitehats and blackhats can search for flaws.
[01:49:19] <kobach> either way, the result is the same
[01:49:21] <Khyber> fork all you want, you don't change codebase you're fucked
[01:49:25] <crutchy> not familiar with camfrog
[01:49:48] <crutchy> i think the point of forking is to continue to improve the code base
[01:49:59] <Khyber> forking failed to improve Camfrog
[01:50:06] <Khyber> you got an open-source version that died
[01:50:10] <Khyber> Paltalk bought the rest
[01:50:20] <Khyber> except for Camfrog Web, which a friend of mine bought and offered to us
[01:50:21] <crutchy> fair enough
[01:50:24] <Cryptobandar> It needs people that like it enough to code it.
[01:50:41] <crutchy> camfrog probably not a good example of foss then
[01:50:44] <Khyber> It needs people that have half a clue about secure programming to do it
[01:50:51] <Khyber> the original programmers were simple web devs
[01:50:55] <Khyber> no damned clue
[01:50:59] <Cryptobandar> Which is a rare skill.
[01:51:06] <crutchy> most foss projects start out simple
[01:51:13] <Khyber> most
[01:51:37] <Khyber> making a video server that can handle unlimited cams and routing to individual people From newbs?
[01:51:39] <crutchy> the waterfall model where everything gets built in from the start is all but dead, except where government money is involved
[01:52:00] <Khyber> I mean, what they've accomplished is rare indeed
[01:52:14] <Cryptobandar> Nah, they still try that crap at Ericsson.
[01:52:19] <crutchy> lol
[01:52:20] <crutchy> ok
[01:52:23] <Khyber> but the shit is so full of holes that my pal was smart to buy the software, make it so that multi-cam and other shit was free, and room owners were the only ones paying
[01:52:34] <Khyber> less ability to hack pro codes that don't exist
[01:52:42] <Khyber> and you're not starting rooms on servers that are audited daily
[01:52:51] <Khyber> hack it all you want it can be shut down
[01:52:52] <Cryptobandar> Security through obscurity?
[01:53:04] <crutchy> yeah i think that was microsoft's sales pitch
[01:53:08] <Khyber> nope. Security through active observation that doesn't require being in the room itself
[01:53:20] <Khyber> just compare auth room list versus current room list
[01:53:31] <Khyber> non-matching names = ban that IP
[01:53:42] <Khyber> 50+ from that Ip range = full spread ban
[01:53:47] <crutchy> i don't think we're talking about source code
[01:54:05] <Khyber> You don't need source code when you're given every tool that ca access it
[01:54:22] <Khyber> unless you want to figure out how some obscure video and audio codec that's modified from expired patents works
[01:54:32] <Khyber> because that's really the only thing about it
[01:54:40] <crutchy> actually i'm not really sure what we're talking about now :-P
[01:54:41] <Khyber> everythign else is nearly as simple as any IRC client
[01:54:58] <Khyber> still on my videochat client. What are you smoking? Can I buy some?
[01:55:12] <crutchy> antibiotics :-)
[01:55:16] <crutchy> well, not smoking them
[01:55:20] <Cactus> Shit's hardcore, man
[01:55:21] <Khyber> Weak. Flame kills those
[01:55:35] <crutchy> my head's diseased atm
[01:55:51] <Cactus> I don't know if antibiotcs help that
[01:56:00] <crutchy> i'm waaaay beyond help
[01:56:04] <Cryptobandar> Heh!
[01:56:12] <Cactus> First step is admitting it.
[01:56:28] <crutchy> i just don't want to infect the poor bugs
[01:56:31] <Cactus> And second step is showing up in the IRC! Welcome!
[01:57:14] * Konomi yawns
[01:57:20] <Cryptobandar> I use beer. Doesn't kill them but at least makes them dizzy.
[01:57:22] <Khyber> bugs infest IRC
[01:57:23] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, stop making it look like it's cool to live in california. It's not.
[01:57:26] <crutchy> hi konomi
[01:57:28] <Cactus> My son insists there are aliens in his brains.
[01:57:36] <Khyber> California is far better than Tennessee
[01:57:42] * Konomi moans and shuffles around the room looking for brains
[01:57:44] <Konomi> I mean hi
[01:57:46] <Ethanol-fueled> it sucks here. No, every state is better than california.
[01:57:52] <Khyber> depending on area, rughly same COL.
[01:57:54] <Ethanol-fueled> even arizona.
[01:58:01] <Khyber> fewer assholes
[01:58:02] <Ethanol-fueled> even mississippi.
[01:58:03] <Khyber> fewer racists
[01:58:14] <crutchy> california... the second-brokest state in the USA
[01:58:16] <crutchy> :-P
[01:58:19] <Ethanol-fueled> what's wrong with racism? everybody's racist.
[01:58:23] <Khyber> Uh, what Crtchy?
[01:58:29] <Khyber> we're in the top 1 economies in the world
[01:58:32] <Khyber> *10
[01:58:32] <crutchy> i'm not racist... i hate all races equally
[01:58:39] <Khyber> there's onyl one race - human
[01:58:42] <Khyber> I hate all you niggers
[01:58:45] <crutchy> per capita
[01:58:56] <Khyber> not per capita
[01:59:00] <Khyber> By total income period
[01:59:04] <Ethanol-fueled> I don;t hate any one race, I hate them all proportionally to how many bad stereotypes I encounter in a given time.
[01:59:08] <Khyber> without us and Texas the USA would be dead in the water
[01:59:20] <crutchy> if you cram enough people in there you're bound to get something happening
[01:59:24] <Ethanol-fueled> right now its Mexicans, mainly, and some Jews.
[01:59:37] <Khyber> actually, more like more jews than mexicans
[01:59:54] <Khyber> mexicans are about ~15% population despite disproportionate sightings and representation
[02:00:01] <Khyber> they're just more active than us lazy white fucks
[02:00:01] <Ethanol-fueled> My sister knows this, she gave me a christmas card with santa and fiddler on the roof and wrote in it, "to my atheist brother who acts like a Jew"
[02:00:07] <Khyber> that's why they're more visible
[02:00:14] <crutchy> someone's gotta move the drugs and guns
[02:00:24] <crutchy> for the cia
[02:00:30] <Khyber> someone's gotta mow the yard and clean the roads and work the warehoues and fields
[02:00:43] <Khyber> because we're too lazy to do it on the weekends
[02:00:53] <Ethanol-fueled> mexicans are an urban blight around here, but then again this is California.
[02:01:07] <Khyber> all the ones working around me are awesome and not fucking slackers.
[02:01:18] <Khyber> One's even asking me to help them pass the electronics portion of the ASE
[02:01:19] <Ethanol-fueled> they lie, steal, are late to every meeting,
[02:01:31] <Khyber> These fuckers are earlier than me to the morning meeting
[02:01:51] <Khyber> I'm the last person to sign the meeting sheet
[02:01:54] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, do you live in a gated community?
[02:01:58] <crutchy> never worked for a company that had morning meetings
[02:02:00] <Khyber> yes I do
[02:02:06] <Khyber> our mornign meeting is 5AM
[02:02:27] <Khyber> yes, gated comunity
[02:02:27] <crutchy> what do you talk about?
[02:02:30] <Khyber> want pics of the gates?
[02:02:47] <Khyber> we talk about warehouse happenings, customer projects, potential inspection dates, etc.
[02:02:53] <Khyber> real business, not fucking around
[02:03:00] <Ethanol-fueled> no thanks, it just served as confirmation bias that you like mexicans and live in a gated community.
[02:03:09] <crutchy> every morning?
[02:03:21] <Ethanol-fueled> whatever confirmation bias is, because it sounded right.
[02:03:25] <Khyber> Pretty shitty bias considering I grew up in a MExican-funded heroin city in TExas that had no gates.
[02:03:33] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber: el paso?
[02:03:35] <Khyber> yes, every morning
[02:03:42] <Khyber> No, opposite side, literally
[02:03:44] <Khyber> Plano
[02:03:44] <crutchy> that must suck
[02:03:54] <Khyber> featured on the Chanel one school news network for that exact shit
[02:04:10] <Ethanol-fueled> texas doesn't suck, it's where all people in california should move to.
[02:04:15] <Khyber> and yea, those meetings suck, but it gives me a heads up on what I've gotta do and I can plan ahead
[02:04:16] <Ethanol-fueled> because they have jobs.
[02:04:17] <crutchy> you work for a software company?
[02:04:23] <Khyber> which is why I get my shit done first and am first in line for a raise
[02:04:32] <Khyber> no, I work logistics
[02:04:37] <Khyber> not even simple distribution
[02:04:42] <crutchy> i just get to work, turn my pyewta on, go make a coffee and get to work
[02:04:46] <Khyber> I gotta handle repacked orders, UPS re-ships, and shit
[02:04:59] <crutchy> *i get to work twice every morning :-P
[02:05:03] <Khyber> only get coffee on breaks, no fluids except water on the warehouse floor
[02:05:10] <crutchy> oh man
[02:05:13] <Khyber> AIB inspected and certified food distribution building
[02:05:15] <crutchy> you poor bastard
[02:05:36] <Khyber> yea, four cups of coffee a day max for me
[02:05:45] <Khyber> because that shit goes fast even with ten pots brewed
[02:05:55] <Khyber> per break!
[02:06:15] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, do you do it sweatshop-style, with a break whistle?
[02:06:15] <Cryptobandar> That's a lot of caffeine, heh!
[02:06:33] <Khyber> Nope, we go on break when we really feel like within 15 minutesof the actual designated time
[02:06:35] <crutchy> i usually make a coffee, take a couple of sips when i sit down, and then when i realise it's about lunch time i tip my cold coffee down the sink and make another one... to be left to tip out before i go home
[02:06:44] <crutchy> i think coffee is more like a security blanket for me
[02:06:45] <crutchy> :-P
[02:07:13] <crutchy> or i just get too much into my work
[02:07:14] <Khyber> we're no sweatshop. We run so smoothly we get projects needing to be done within two weeks finished in two days or so.
[02:07:27] <Khyber> quick, fast, efficient, accurate, and quality
[02:07:32] <Khyber> pick all 5
[02:07:34] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, can you get me some seal pup meat?
[02:07:56] <Khyber> No, Borges does not ship that, just Italian shit that involves Olives, Artichokes, or Anchovies
[02:07:56] <crutchy> or fresh mermaid breast
[02:08:46] <Khyber> exp[ecting anything fresh to get shipped to you... lol
[02:08:49] <Khyber> catch it yourself
[02:08:49] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah crutchy...get it in the mail, don't even cook it, just make sure nobody's looking and suck the nipple knowing you had a whole animal killed just for your gratitude.
[02:09:05] <crutchy> lol
[02:09:42] <Ethanol-fueled> mermaids do have a cloaca, right? Probably pretty tight.
[02:09:56] <Ethanol-fueled> You want is served ON THE BONE, baby!
[02:10:09] <crutchy> lmfao!
[02:10:12] <Khyber> I don't think I could do two holes in the same hole.
[02:10:26] <Khyber> I wouldn't know if I'm hittign tang or 'tay!"
[02:10:39] <Khyber> That ain't right
[02:11:04] <crutchy> yeah what sick fuck brought up mermaids
[02:11:16] <Khyber> You, fucker
[02:11:25] <Khyber> crutchy or fresh mermaid breast
[02:11:38] <Khyber> Closet scalie/furry
[02:12:26] <Ethanol-fueled> the history of mermaids as seducers of men goes back a long way - like to the movie The Little Mermaid, where King Triton's castle had dicks for spires, or the priest had a boner.
[02:12:35] <Cactus> lol
[02:12:36] <Ethanol-fueled> It's Disney's fault we're perverted.
[02:12:49] <Cryptobandar> Yeah, dude. Like mermaid breast is any good. The belly makes the best sushi.
[02:12:56] <Ethanol-fueled> TORO.
[02:13:04] <crutchy> disney makes the real kiddie porn :-P
[02:14:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup. Accidentally watching Hercules was bad enough.
[02:14:42] <crutchy> i don't mind pixar stuff
[02:14:50] <crutchy> disney kinda ruined it
[02:15:00] <kobach> ^
[02:16:21] <Ethanol-fueled> obnoxious link: A REAL cartoon, fritz the cat : http://www.youtube.com
[02:17:26] <Khyber> CLOSET. FURRY.
[02:17:38] <Khyber> nevermind the fact I own all videos related to that
[02:17:49] <Khyber> hand-me down from mom's 4th hubby
[02:18:08] <useless> there there, admitting you have an issue is the first step ;)
[02:18:10] <Ethanol-fueled> goddamn furries.
[02:18:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I always identifed with the horse.
[02:18:37] <Khyber> *whores
[02:18:41] <Khyber> FTFY
[02:18:50] <Ethanol-fueled> My grandmother had a horse ranch, and as even an infant I saw how they pissed.
[02:19:00] <Khyber> oh god here we go
[02:19:14] <Ethanol-fueled> when I was four, I would strip naked on the bathroom floor and fill a bowl full of water.
[02:19:53] <Ethanol-fueled> I would crawl up to the bowl and drink the water with my mouth, then I would walk further up to the bowl, so that it was between my legs, and piss in it.
[02:20:14] <Khyber> typical furry/animal - piss where you live
[02:20:20] <useless> uhm...I think I need an adult now
[02:20:48] * Khyber gives useless a waterproof Tyvek suit and full-body riot shield
[02:20:54] <Cryptobandar> Man, not enough beer around here to kill that image.
[02:20:54] <Ethanol-fueled> khyber, are you suggesting I walk over to a neiggggggghhhhbor and piss in their yard?
[02:21:04] <useless> Khyber: thanks buddy
[02:21:19] <Khyber> wait Iforgot the goggles
[02:21:22] <Khyber> here
[02:21:35] <crutchy> err... *slowly steps back*
[02:21:44] <Khyber> Yes, go piss in their yard so they can put you down and out of our misery :)
[02:21:49] <useless> add in a few gallons of Jameson to wash the image out of my head
[02:22:06] <Cryptobandar> "Light fuse and get away." That sounds fun.
[02:22:09] <crutchy> must be the meth talkin
[02:22:12] <Ethanol-fueled> that's not nice. That kind of screed could come from only a californian.
[02:22:20] <Khyber> No. Texan
[02:22:26] <Ethanol-fueled> even worse.
[02:22:39] * Khyber is Plano born and representin'. Heroin neighborhoodof the South
[02:22:47] <crutchy> texas IS the united states isn't it?
[02:22:59] <Khyber> Sre-13 bitch
[02:23:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: the part all californians should move to.
[02:23:08] <crutchy> all the other states just feed off it
[02:23:27] <Khyber> We'd all move there but thatmeans you'd be there as well.
[02:23:34] <Khyber> so, no, we'll stay here till you move
[02:23:42] <Khyber> then we'll still prolly stay here
[02:23:47] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: it is the alpha state, it has everything, including enough land for all the true patriots.
[02:24:00] <crutchy> and it has ron paul
[02:24:02] <crutchy> :-)
[02:24:07] <crutchy> *ducks*
[02:24:10] <Khyber> if RP were worth a shit
[02:24:16] <Khyber> sure he speaks like Obama
[02:24:21] <Khyber> but the truth... yea, fuck that
[02:24:25] <crutchy> speaks like obama?
[02:24:36] <crutchy> lol
[02:25:04] <Khyber> lot of hope and promise crap, bunch of rhetoric, etc.
[02:25:11] <crutchy> err... if you... errr. like... your doctor... err.... you can err..... keep... err... your doctor.... errr
[02:25:13] <Khyber> very few talkign points except 'constitutional' stuff
[02:25:28] <Khyber> and those are few and far between
[02:25:32] <crutchy> khyber: that's actually what i liked about him
[02:25:46] * Khyber is of the party of common sense, and apparently the only member.
[02:26:16] <crutchy> majority of republicans aren't republican
[02:26:27] <Khyber> Nobody is of the party they speak of.
[02:26:35] <Khyber> If they were, this country would be so fucked
[02:26:46] <Khyber> so fractured it'd be impossible to maintain
[02:27:07] <Khyber> greed here, apathy there, overbearing hence, etc.
[02:27:07] <crutchy> i think you're problem is a lack of options
[02:27:22] <Khyber> Well, our founding fathers warned about a bipartisan system
[02:27:24] <crutchy> you have one party... the republocrats
[02:27:24] <Cryptobandar> Or maybe we'd get something besides Democrat and Republican as choices.
[02:27:41] <kobach> we already do?
[02:27:48] <Khyber> but the system as it has changed and 'evolved' is bipartisan by nature and hostile to any other parties
[02:28:14] <crutchy> they like to "fight" on tv but behind closed door they are bestest buddies
[02:28:19] <Khyber> ^
[02:28:22] <crutchy> swimming in money
[02:28:24] <Khyber> knew that commetn was coming
[02:28:29] <crutchy> lol
[02:28:30] <Cryptobandar> Yeah, that's true.
[02:28:39] <Khyber> pork-barrel propositions and laws
[02:28:54] <Khyber> General Smedley Butler warned about this in his book in the 20s IIRC
[02:29:08] <Khyber> one of our greatest generals, who stopped the Bush family once from taking over the USA.
[02:29:47] <crutchy> i don't think ron paul could have abolished entire agencies or anything, but i think he would have been able to reign in the spending
[02:29:49] <Khyber> And warned (paraphrased) I was a soldier for the industries of the country.
[02:29:55] <crutchy> stupid keynesians have destroyed the country
[02:30:02] <Khyber> The spending isn't the problem right now
[02:30:11] <crutchy> yes it is
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[02:30:14] <Khyber> because when the rest of the world loses faith in us, our shit drops regardless
[02:30:17] <crutchy> it is THE problem
[02:30:22] <Khyber> beyond depresion levels
[02:30:32] <Khyber> wouldn't matter if we had every tech country on the planet
[02:30:40] <Khyber> no faith = no value
[02:30:42] <crutchy> all other problems stem from government intervention in everything
[02:30:46] <Khyber> problem with a fiat currency
[02:30:52] <Khyber> not all, but many
[02:31:02] <Khyber> some are unavoidable withot gov't intervention
[02:31:08] <Khyber> there is no true free market
[02:31:09] <crutchy> fiat currency wouldn't be a problem if spending was under control
[02:31:19] <crutchy> the fed prints to pay for government
[02:31:25] <Khyber> no, because somewhere along the line, things will still bubble and collapse
[02:31:35] <Khyber> the Austrian school has proven itself fairly true
[02:31:44] <crutchy> ^^^
[02:31:54] <crutchy> austrian model is definitely true
[02:32:25] * Khyber is a fan of the Austrian school with a couple of modifications to bandage the hemmorage that is human greed
[02:32:29] <crutchy> i don't think it would be easy to go back to gold standard, but competing currencies are good
[02:32:40] <Khyber> that is why I like and hate bitcoin
[02:32:49] <Khyber> I *LOVE* that it is fucking the USD left and right in value
[02:33:02] <Khyber> but I *HATE* that it is still in essence a truly fiat currency
[02:33:07] <Ethanol-fueled> No, we need to take out teh shadow-government.
[02:33:08] <crutchy> yeah... peter schiff talked about a gold backed digital currency
[02:33:16] <Khyber> gold-backed is a joke
[02:33:23] <crutchy> not if the chinese do it
[02:33:29] <crutchy> they have all the gold
[02:33:36] <Khyber> gold has more value around our necks than in industry compared to carbon, silicon, and silver, now.
[02:33:40] <Khyber> plus iridium
[02:33:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Disband the CIA and NSA, take genetic imprints of each and every one of them, and forever disallow them from operating in the U.S.
[02:33:50] <Khyber> indium
[02:33:51] <Khyber> gallium
[02:34:00] <Ethanol-fueled> gallium-arsenide
[02:34:02] <crutchy> gold will always have value
[02:34:12] <Ethanol-fueled> GUNS will always have value/
[02:34:13] <Khyber> with what we can do with silver now, gold ain't shit
[02:34:16] <crutchy> it goes up and down, but never to zero
[02:34:34] <Khyber> we're moving to silver for contact leads between LED junctions
[02:34:37] <Khyber> and silicon
[02:34:49] <Khyber> mixed with Zinc it's the shit
[02:34:53] <Khyber> and cheap as fuck
[02:35:05] <crutchy> gold is expensive compared to 10 years ago
[02:35:08] <crutchy> very expensive
[02:35:22] <Khyber> Go back 5 more years for a real jump
[02:35:31] * Khyber has played this market for a while
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[02:36:27] <Khyber> alright, tis the weekend, time to nap before I spend my entire night out getting fuuuuuuuuuuckd up
[02:36:37] <crutchy> ooook
[02:36:42] <crutchy> cya :-)
[02:37:10] <useless> later
[02:40:19] <n1> woohoo
[02:46:08] <Ethanol-fueled> holy shit, I've drank the whole wine bottle.
[02:46:35] <Konomi> your nick is very descriptive then ~
[02:49:03] <n1> you're supposed to drink the wine inside the bottle
[02:49:29] <crutchy> i think he just swallowed the bottle with the wine still inside
[02:49:33] <hometoad> its hard for him to get inside the bottle to drink
[02:49:44] <Ethanol-fueled> n1: yeah but more booze must be consumed.
[02:50:29] <crutchy> maybe some wine spilled and now he's talking about lapping it up off the floor
[02:51:03] <Ethanol-fueled> no, i did not do that.
[02:51:12] <hometoad> No, we had that discussion earlier... don't want to revist ethanols lapping on the floor stuff
[02:51:17] <crutchy> spilling wine is bad
[02:51:25] <crutchy> mkay
[02:51:48] <crutchy> i buy the top shelf $2.50 bottles of shiraz from aldi
[02:52:45] <crutchy> for some reason cheap red tastes nicer than expensive red
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[02:57:07] <n1> crutchy, ive heard that
[02:57:15] <n1> although i dont drink wine
[02:57:36] <hometoad> cheap red is always a blend.
[02:58:05] <hometoad> with a blend you can make almost anything taste good
[02:58:10] <Ethanol-fueled> hometoad. I used to establish a drinking trough, then piss in it. What does that mean?
[02:58:42] <hometoad> Saw that earlier, still trying to get the image out of my head.
[03:00:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck you sonofabitches, I'm going to drink
[03:01:28] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Your Best Debugging Win - http://sylnt.us - is-it-plugged-in?
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[03:35:49] <SpallsHurgenson> they say, "The Internet Is For Porn" but I don't know; I think we can do better. It's time for development to start on a next-generation pornpgraphy distrbution system
[03:37:19] <lhnn> Why isn't Debian more like Ubuntu server? Why does debian insist on checking the CDROM when I do apt-get anything?
[03:37:27] <lhnn> and why don't they have sudo?
[03:37:54] <Konomi> my debian doesn't check the cdrom
[03:37:57] <useless> because you touch yourself at night.
[03:37:59] <Konomi> have you checked your sources.list
[03:38:04] <Konomi> might have an entry
[03:38:16] <Konomi> my bad I concur with useless
[03:38:18] <Konomi> ;p
[03:38:20] <useless> hehe
[03:38:56] <useless> but yeah, sounds like a sources.list issue
[03:39:25] <lhnn> Konomi! Hi. Well it does check by default when I install the server version. I disabled it and it works, but it's a stupid step (especially with no "skip cdrom" option)
[03:39:44] <Konomi> depends on who you are
[03:39:52] <Konomi> and your needs
[03:40:18] <Konomi> debian tend to trend towards helping everyone so the idea of getting it from cdrom vs getting it over your net probably seemed like a good idea
[03:40:43] <Cryptobandar> Usually a server is going into a server room, and you most likely don't want it fetching from the net.
[03:41:19] <lhnn> Cryptobandar: Usually you'd set up a local repo if you're going to have enough installations to worry about b/w
[03:42:13] <lhnn> It's not a major hurdle by any means... just a bit foreign (and if a newbie ran into that, they /wouldn't/ know to check sources.list without consulting *gasp* the internet to find out how to turn it off
[03:43:03] <Konomi> ubuntu <--> debian <--> arch/gentoo
[03:43:11] <Konomi> you want hand holding ubuntu
[03:43:29] <Konomi> you want a somewhat power user oriented distro where you're expected to know a few things debian
[03:43:38] <Konomi> you want to zomg tweak it all from scratch
[03:43:40] <Konomi> arch and gentoo
[03:44:15] <useless> and if you want a server, openbsd
[03:44:19] * useless runs
[03:44:41] <Cryptobandar> Heh!
[03:44:48] <lhnn> The only reason I'm fooling with Debian is because I like the layout of the website (info and community interaction) better, and they're more philosophically pure. I do like Ubuntu's updates to the packages, such as newer versions, things not in Debian as much (OpenStack) and Byobu
[03:44:51] <Konomi> and if you want non foss aids you use bsd
[03:44:55] * Konomi hides
[03:45:02] <lhnn> If you want a good BSD you use FreeBSD 10
[03:45:12] <Konomi> and hope they don't go out of business
[03:45:20] <lhnn> They finally got a package manager on par with 1996 Debian
[03:45:30] <Konomi> we have signed packages now look at us
[03:45:33] <Konomi> everyone: wat
[03:45:38] <useless> heh
[03:45:39] <lhnn> and they have ZFS which Linux can't take in, and OpenBSD won't
[03:46:10] <Konomi> I done some googling and most companies use ext4 due to the lower overhead apparently
[03:46:15] <Konomi> words of the author not mine
[03:46:34] <lhnn> I have a BSD based router/firewall; file server. My container host is Linux only because LXC is easier to get up and running than jails
[03:48:01] <Cryptobandar> We have a bunch of FreeBSD, Debian, and Ubuntu servers.
[03:48:16] <lhnn> Cryptobandar: where do you work? Or what industry at least
[03:48:57] <Cryptobandar> Telco.
[03:49:51] <Cryptobandar> Oh, and we got a new guy in who loves Redhat, so we have a couple of CentOS boxes.
[03:49:53] <useless> yeah, unless you're storing some *insanely* large files, zfs is overkill
[03:50:06] <Konomi> http://hackaday.com
[03:50:10] <Cryptobandar> BTRFS seems decent so far.
[03:51:11] <lhnn> useless: I disagree... its filesystem integrity, snapshotting and builtin RAID are AMAZING. I have RAID1+stripe in my file server storing 3TB... my hard drive life cycle will bump that to 6TB in the next 18 months
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[03:51:36] <lhnn> and I work in financial, and RHEL / IBM are the champs in that area
[03:52:04] <useless> I can see that
[03:52:55] <lhnn> If you haven't playedwith ZFS give it a shot. Throw it on some old computer (with 2GB+ of mem) and use USB sticks for testing out RAID and fault tolerance. It's a fun exercise in learning zfs/zpool configs
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[03:53:39] <useless> you and I have different definitions of "fun" ;)
[03:54:39] <useless> in truth, haven't looked at zfs in a while
[03:55:05] <lhnn> when you like learning sysadminy stuff... and you run it at home... and having a passion for geeky shit like that looks good when you interview for a job in the field
[03:55:44] <kobach> LOL
[03:55:44] <Cryptobandar> I might have to give it a go.
[03:55:46] <kobach> "job"
[03:55:50] <kobach> what are those
[03:56:11] <kobach> you must live in china
[03:56:16] <Cryptobandar> That's how I maintain beer money.
[03:56:17] <Konomi> where you go to lose faith in life itself!
[03:56:26] <Konomi> Cryptobandar: that's just a side effect ~
[03:56:28] <kobach> ^
[03:56:41] <useless> heh
[03:58:37] <SpallsHurgenson> still... it's a great way to get new computer hardware so it isn't ALL bad
[03:58:57] <Cryptobandar> It's my happy side effect. Offsets some of the stress and annoyance of having a job.
[03:59:17] <SpallsHurgenson> (IT departments are so wasteful, throwing out hardware just because it's half broken or six years old ;-)
[04:00:21] <lhnn> shit, our hardware refresh is 3 years
[04:00:30] * SpallsHurgenson would point out to them that two half-broken machines equal one fixed machine... but then I'd have to buy stuff with my own money :)
[04:00:31] <lhnn> for major stuff
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[04:04:12] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: my first computer was a frankenstein cause my parents were too stingey to get me a computer >.<
[04:04:53] <Konomi> I get the impression they didn't want me getting further into them somehow ;p
[04:05:35] <Cryptobandar> There are worse things.
[04:06:15] <Konomi> like republicans?
[04:07:24] <Cryptobandar> Heh, for one.
[04:07:38] <SpallsHurgenson> not worse than visual basic programmers, surely!
[04:08:43] <Konomi> it's a close tie for that ;p
[04:09:23] <Cryptobandar> Oh god, the horror!
[04:09:30] <Cryptobandar> visualbasic--
[04:09:30] <Juggalo> karma - visualbasic: -1
[04:09:55] <kobach> hello denver, australia
[04:10:01] <SpallsHurgenson> I guess technically every PC bar one I've ever purchased would count as a "frankenstein" since I usually put 'em together myself
[04:10:14] <kobach> hello SpallsHurgenson
[04:10:26] <kobach> wherever you're from
[04:10:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm from here!
[04:10:34] <kobach> newark nj
[04:11:02] <kobach> quite a spread we hvae here
[04:11:10] <useless> HEH
[04:11:13] <useless> yeah
[04:11:18] <SpallsHurgenson> is that here? It doesnt' look like here. if that's here, maybe I'm from there instead
[04:11:32] <kobach> maine, nj, mo, co, AUS
[04:11:54] <useless> maine?
[04:12:08] <kobach> massachusets*
[04:12:13] <SpallsHurgenson> jhello stephen king!
[04:12:16] <useless> close enough
[04:12:32] <useless> one of those M ones ;)
[04:12:34] <kobach> i have an aversion to windows ME
[04:12:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (is there anyone else living in Maine?)
[04:12:43] <kobach> useless: dont feel bad, im one of them
[04:13:20] <useless> though I do part time in one of the N ones
[04:13:38] <kobach> lol
[04:13:43] <kobach> upstate or the city
[04:13:53] <useless> city
[04:13:54] <kobach> or new hampshire
[04:13:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm from /all/ of them. I like to spread myself around
[04:14:20] * Subsentient is from the cyan portal in your refrigerator
[04:14:36] <useless> anything above 22nd street is upstate ;)
[04:14:37] <Subsentient> Don't look
[04:14:57] <SpallsHurgenson> are you the small patch of mold in the bottom drawer that has been speaking in mind?
[04:15:23] * kobach knows where Subsentient is
[04:15:29] <Subsentient> No, I'm the rat watching you from under your seat. Don't look
[04:15:33] <kobach> or his address at least
[04:15:39] <kobach> where his vpn is
[04:15:41] <kobach> etc
[04:15:56] <useless> aren't you all 1337 and shit ;)
[04:15:59] <kobach> no
[04:16:07] <kobach> i just know the spread is quite even
[04:16:12] * Subsentient does not use a vpn, he uses a squid proxy
[04:16:13] <kobach> its kinda neat
[04:16:41] <Subsentient> great for making tentacles come 'out of the portal
[04:16:45] <kobach> ^
[04:16:50] <lhnn> Texas here
[04:16:53] <kobach> yes i know
[04:16:59] <kobach> san antonio
[04:17:05] <kobach> forgot to mention
[04:17:12] <kobach> its late
[04:17:18] <kobach> i think its time for sleep
[04:17:21] <useless> ohh, speaking of which, portal2 beta for linux...finaly
[04:17:21] <lhnn> kobach
[04:17:24] <lhnn> you're in san antonio?
[04:17:26] <kobach> no
[04:17:27] <kobach> you are
[04:17:34] <lhnn> oh
[04:17:35] <lhnn> ya
[04:17:40] <lhnn> this is true.
[04:17:44] <kobach> im 16-17hrs from there
[04:17:45] <Juggalo> [poutine] When will SN IRC move back to freenode?
[04:17:53] <kobach> when you kiss my ass
[04:17:53] <lhnn> Time for some tawny port.... good evening everyone... Kobach, where are you again?
[04:17:57] <Subsentient> soon I hope
[04:18:03] * kobach is from St. Louis
[04:18:05] <useless> night lhnn
[04:18:06] <lhnn> oh
[04:18:08] <lhnn> OH
[04:18:12] <lhnn> I thought you meant timezone
[04:18:16] <lhnn> not driving
[04:18:18] <lhnn> heh
[04:18:20] <kobach> lol
[04:18:25] <kobach> nope i meant driving
[04:18:32] <lhnn> yes yes... /me is afk now for reals... guests are arriving
[04:18:34] <kobach> north america i give times in driving distances
[04:18:37] <lhnn> (HEY GUYS I HAVE FRIENDS)
[04:18:46] <kobach> same, i dont let them come over
[04:18:52] <useless> heh
[04:18:52] <kobach> i go over there
[04:18:55] <kobach> lol
[04:19:03] * SpallsHurgenson remembers playing Portal on the Apple ][c
[04:19:07] <kobach> lol
[04:19:28] <SpallsHurgenson> no joke, I really did
[04:19:39] <kobach> im not saying you didnt
[04:19:41] <kobach> poutine--
[04:19:41] <Juggalo> karma - poutine: -242
[04:19:59] <kobach> poutine: glad to see you back on irc
[04:20:06] <kobach> always good to have some positive thinking around
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[04:21:06] <kobach> also, thanks for being a decent troll, unlike Guardian451 or w/e, who just flooded and spammed
[04:21:27] <kobach> having to ban trolls is boring
[04:21:33] <kobach> amiwrong?
[04:22:07] <Cryptobandar> It's tiring.
[04:22:12] <useless> agreed
[04:22:16] <SpallsHurgenson> don't feed the trolls. troll poop is really hard to get out of the carpet
[04:22:37] <kobach> i used to be a troll, i eat a lot now
[04:23:23] <kobach> anyway afk
[04:23:37] <Cactus> Ok, I'm out for a while. You gents behave yourselves.
[04:23:42] <kobach> ^
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[04:24:14] <swiss> if anyone is curious about CCDC... I wrote this up yesterday http://securityblog.ch
[04:24:21] <swiss> got my team's approval to post it and all
[04:25:06] <useless> ccdc?
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[04:27:26] <swiss> Collegiate Cyber Defense Competitions
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[04:28:13] <Juggalo> [poutine] I've always been on IRC kobach, you just couldn't tell because you're on an IRC network with like 40 users
[04:28:34] <Konomi> there's actually like 75 people just in this room
[04:29:03] <SpallsHurgenson> is "always being on IRC" something to brag about?
[04:29:18] <Juggalo> [poutine] yet, the same 4 people are the ones doing the talking. Have a nice idler/bot convention
[04:29:18] <Konomi> 106 over the two servers if I'm reading the login right
[04:29:56] <Juggalo> [poutine] <SoylentBender> [SpallsHurgenson] is "always being on IRC" something to brag about? <- I guess stating something is bragging now
[04:30:00] <Juggalo> [poutine] I ate a sandwich for lunch
[04:30:04] <Juggalo> [poutine] </bragging>
[04:30:13] <useless> heh, sayas added to the bot, i see
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[04:30:37] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Malaria 'Spreading to New Altitudes' - http://sylnt.us - run-from-the-hills
[04:30:38] <Konomi> so need more coffee urk
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[04:32:22] <Juggalo> [poutine] the site is still running on a webserver that is no longer maintained officially, with no monetization route, the founder leaving in a huff, and a stagnant feature state (looks pretty much the same as when you went public)
[04:33:04] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but it has a really nice shade of red in its headers :)
[04:33:20] <Juggalo> [poutine] is it a Pantone color? if not, IDGAF
[04:33:29] <useless> hahah
[04:33:31] <Konomi> lol
[04:33:36] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson ++
[04:33:50] <Cryptobandar> SpallsHurgenson++
[04:33:51] <Juggalo> karma - spallshurgenson: 4
[04:33:53] <Konomi> hmm no space?
[04:33:54] <Konomi> fussy
[04:33:58] <Cryptobandar> Ya.
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[04:43:06] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[04:43:33] <crutchy> action test
[04:44:26] <Cryptobandar> reaction?
[04:45:26] <crutchy> i guess sucking at using irc isn't the worst thing i could be
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[04:46:15] <Cryptobandar> What client?
[04:46:52] <crutchy> just the web client @ chat.soylentnews.org
[04:47:58] <SpallsHurgenson> does emacs support IRC yet? ;-)
[04:48:22] <SpallsHurgenson> holy shit it does (www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsIRCClient)
[04:48:37] <crutchy> i got a bot that uses sic
[04:48:40] <Cryptobandar> It does everything. There's even a plugin for editing text: Viper
[04:48:48] <useless> yep
[04:48:58] <useless> has for a while
[04:49:36] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I don't care; vi is still better
[04:49:42] * SpallsHurgenson tries to stir up some shit :)
[04:50:01] <useless> vigor 4 life!
[04:50:07] <Cryptobandar> Heh!
[04:50:49] <crutchy> gedit ftw
[04:50:55] <useless> http://vigor.sourceforge.net
[04:52:32] <crutchy> lol
[04:52:34] <crutchy> clippy
[04:52:38] <crutchy> creepy fucker
[04:52:53] <crutchy> *doesn't use paperclips anymore*
[04:52:59] <useless> once replaced all my devs vi with vigor
[04:53:03] <useless> much lols
[04:53:31] <Konomi> did they try to strangle you
[04:54:08] <useless> hehe
[04:55:22] * FoobarBazbot likes the idea of emacs for the IDE role, but doesn't program enough to learn it, and doean't believe in complex solutions for simple editing
[04:55:45] <FoobarBazbot> Hence, joe for me
[04:55:49] <useless> not as much as the time I modded all the xconfigs to allow remoting
[04:56:12] <useless> and xremoted pict from fatchicksinpartyhats.com to their displays
[04:57:22] <SpallsHurgenson> no lawyers or HR in your company, I can tell :)
[04:57:33] <useless> back then, no
[04:57:37] <crutchy> *tears eyes out of sockets*
[04:58:20] <crutchy> tries to think of some kind of sinister comback for spalls evil url post
[04:58:27] <crutchy> ....xkcd
[04:58:42] <Cryptobandar> bash.org?
[04:58:57] <SpallsHurgenson> EMacIrc is evil too? awesome!
[05:00:18] <crutchy> oh no! i trapped myself in xkcd
[05:01:00] <SpallsHurgenson> could be worse; you could be stuck in tvtropes
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[05:09:57] <SpallsHurgenson> IRC isn't enough of a timesink... I think I'll fire up minecraft
[05:11:05] <crutchy> i've got gedit and aurora windows up ready for some deve work but... i... just...can't.... do it.... captain
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[05:13:00] <SpallsHurgenson> work time is gone. now is time to vegetate... or possibly marinate
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[05:13:49] <useless> why not both?
[05:15:20] <Cryptobandar> Yeah, beer makes good code. Well, some beer. I haven't got the exact quantity right, but I'll keep researching.
[05:15:38] <SpallsHurgenson> it's hard to appreciate a good marination if you are a vegetable
[05:19:48] <artificial> mmm beer
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[05:20:52] <Cryptobandar> Beer is essential to code.
[05:25:47] <SpallsHurgenson> it's that sort of attitude that resulted in Windows Me ;-)
[05:28:13] <useless> no,that was heroin
[05:28:21] <Cryptobandar> No, I think that code came from really bad crack and a couple of dead hookers.
[05:29:05] <useless> or that
[05:31:57] <SpallsHurgenson> wow... if that's what begat Windows ME, then I wonder what foul substance they used for Windows 8!
[05:32:13] <useless> ios
[05:32:49] <SpallsHurgenson> Ios and Unity had a retarded lovechild and named it Windows Metro?
[05:33:30] <crutchy> it was a threesome with gnome3
[05:33:37] <Cryptobandar> No kidding. There is much suffering in that...
[05:33:39] <useless> that's a more disturbing visual than anything Ethenol-fueled could come up with
[05:36:14] <Cryptobandar> You shouldn't tempt fate. Next time his "peeing in a bowl" story will feature Win8.
[05:36:45] <useless> ~hehe
[05:36:50] <crutchy> win8 already features pissing in a bowl
[05:37:08] <crutchy> the "pissing in a bowl" app
[05:37:43] <crutchy> would you like a creepy orange fish with your piss in a bowl?
[05:37:49] <useless> oh dear Bob, is there anything in Australia that isn't frightening and life threatening? http://bit.ly
[05:38:18] <Cryptobandar> One of those bulgy-eyed goldfish? Those are creepy.
[05:38:39] <crutchy> i'd rather shove my thumb up a croc's butthole
[05:39:00] <crutchy> the creepy orange fish from the metro desktop wallpaper
[05:39:37] <crutchy> oh wow it's not even orange
[05:39:39] <crutchy> http://images.dailytech.com
[05:39:50] <crutchy> shows how much notice i took :-P
[05:41:15] <Cryptobandar> You know, I thought the interface had regressed before...
[05:41:19] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[05:41:21] <crutchy> classic
[05:41:42] <useless> haha
[05:42:04] <useless> Francis hates windows 8
[05:43:12] <SpallsHurgenson> as awful as Metro (sorry, the "Modern" UI) is, the way MS pushes you to tie yourself to their online services is almost as bad
[05:43:15] <Cryptobandar> Everybody hates Win8.
[05:44:05] <useless> ohman, I'm dying here
[05:44:21] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[05:44:31] <crutchy> ^^^^click^^^^^
[05:44:38] <useless> "it takes me to metro sexual!!!"
[05:44:50] <useless> https://www.youtube.com
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[05:47:37] <Ethanol-fueled> eyes on my ass like a two-bit faggot
[05:47:39] <crutchy> "it's a fucking app!!!! are you kidding me!!"
[05:47:42] <crutchy> lmao!
[05:47:43] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahahahahahha
[05:48:12] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck these goddamn niggaaz
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[05:55:15] <Jeremy_Sanders> Hello.
[05:55:25] <Jeremy_Sanders> I worked on the job today. It was fun.
[05:55:41] <Cryptobandar> What sort of job?
[05:55:42] <useless> sup
[05:55:58] <Jeremy_Sanders> Web developing job that I mentioned last week.
[05:56:05] <Jeremy_Sanders> I still can't control myself however..
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[05:56:16] <Jeremy_Sanders> I had taken 3 Geodon pills before leaving the house
[05:56:20] <Jeremy_Sanders> but I began to regress.
[05:56:30] <Jeremy_Sanders> There was a lovely intern at the job..
[05:56:40] <Jeremy_Sanders> She looked to be around 20 years of age.
[05:56:49] <Jeremy_Sanders> I began to have fantasies of breaking her arm.
[05:56:57] <Jeremy_Sanders> Stabbing her in the navel
[05:57:06] <Jeremy_Sanders> Breaking her arm and dislocating it from the socket..
[05:57:23] <Jeremy_Sanders> I couldn't control the thoughts, she came to my area and began to speak to me.
[05:57:25] <useless> So just a normal day at the office?
[05:57:48] <Jeremy_Sanders> I began to smell burning paper as she spoke to me. The lights flickered on and off, her voice changed.
[05:57:52] <Jeremy_Sanders> useless, lol
[05:58:01] <Jeremy_Sanders> I was hallucinating bad
[05:58:11] <Jeremy_Sanders> I left work early and took more medication..
[05:58:22] <Jeremy_Sanders> It was just the way she was dressed, it prompted me to attack her..
[05:58:33] <Jeremy_Sanders> I wanted to attack her so badly but I really need this job
[05:58:35] <Jeremy_Sanders> What do I do
[05:58:48] <Cryptobandar> Medicate?
[05:58:57] <Jeremy_Sanders> I don't know why arm breaking is so fascinating.. joint dislocation, etc
[05:59:14] <Jeremy_Sanders> Medication isn't working. If I tell my advisor, he'll have me institutionalized.
[05:59:26] <Jeremy_Sanders> I've already been in an institution. It's horrible there. Worse than a prison.
[05:59:37] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'd do anything to never return.
[06:00:02] <FoobarBazbot> Then just break her arm and go to prison
[06:00:04] <Jeremy_Sanders> I have to report to my advisor every Saturday to tell him how I'm doing.
[06:00:18] <Jeremy_Sanders> lol FoobarBazbot, they'll get me there
[06:00:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> Even if I go there, they'll get me for insanity and send me to the happy house
[06:00:35] <Jeremy_Sanders> So no dice
[06:00:37] <FoobarBazbot> Then just break her arm and go to prisoninstitution... ;)
[06:00:43] <Jeremy_Sanders> Plus, I also want to be a web developer.
[06:00:48] <Jeremy_Sanders> I've wanted this job my entire life
[06:00:52] <FoobarBazbot> Gah
[06:01:13] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm not going to lose it because some attractive young intern is waving her ass in my face, begging for me to break every bone in her body.
[06:01:14] <useless> trust me, jail is preferable to being a web monkey
[06:01:21] <Jeremy_Sanders> What?
[06:01:21] <Jeremy_Sanders> lol
[06:01:47] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Getty Images to Offer Free Photos to Combat Piracy - http://sylnt.us - gratis-is-not-the-same-as-free
[06:01:59] <Jeremy_Sanders> So far, it's only client end stuff that they have me work on.
[06:02:08] <Jeremy_Sanders> So I don't get any deeper than HTML or CSS.
[06:02:21] <Jeremy_Sanders> The work is easy.
[06:02:39] <Jeremy_Sanders> I also get recognition from my Father, who used to call me a nutcase failure.
[06:02:49] <Jeremy_Sanders> For once, he sees me as a son worth having.
[06:02:56] <Jeremy_Sanders> This means more to me than you all would think.
[06:03:02] <FoobarBazbot> Telecommute?
[06:03:19] <Jeremy_Sanders> I never thought that it would be possible for someone with residual subtype schizophrenia to even work amongst others.
[06:03:33] <Jeremy_Sanders> No, I could never work from home. I won't get anything done.
[06:03:52] <Jeremy_Sanders> Not to mention, I think there may be peepholes in my house
[06:04:05] <Jeremy_Sanders> That my Father and the medical staff use to observe me
[06:04:12] <Jeremy_Sanders> I don't know
[06:04:18] <mattie_p> Jeremy_Sanders, can you pass a turing test?
[06:04:22] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm being so honest with you guys because it's safe on the internet.
[06:04:32] <useless> is 4chan down?
[06:04:35] <Jeremy_Sanders> No machine to this day can pass the Turing Test.
[06:04:38] <FoobarBazbot> Rofl
[06:04:43] <Jeremy_Sanders> There are computer scientists fighting to end it.
[06:04:47] <Jeremy_Sanders> It's not comprehensive.
[06:04:53] <mattie_p> neither are you
[06:04:57] <mattie_p> .op
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[06:05:00] <Jeremy_Sanders> It only tests mimicry of a machine to a human's lexicon.
[06:05:08] <Jeremy_Sanders> I know my CS basics.
[06:05:32] <Jeremy_Sanders> You'd be surprised how much you can read when you're locked away in a facility.
[06:05:39] <mattie_p> I'm about to kick you, can you talk like a human or will you just rant?
[06:05:53] <Jeremy_Sanders> Speak like a human? I'm doing this right now..
[06:06:04] <Jeremy_Sanders> What more do you need...?
[06:06:15] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm a regular here, mattie_p
[06:06:25] <FoobarBazbot> XD
[06:06:33] <mattie_p> can you slow down? I was about to take a vote
[06:06:52] <Jeremy_Sanders> ..
[06:06:56] <mattie_p> you really look like a bot though
[06:07:03] <Jeremy_Sanders> Explain?
[06:07:14] <mattie_p> umm, do a pageup, dude
[06:07:15] <ground> Well I'm not a regular but he did make me use my scroll back. I don't do that often.
[06:07:16] <Jeremy_Sanders> My name is actually my First name and my Middle name.
[06:07:29] <mattie_p> you're typing like a fiend about random stuff
[06:07:29] <Jeremy_Sanders> What is a pageup?
[06:07:42] <mattie_p> we've had bots with similar storylines on
[06:07:45] <Jeremy_Sanders> I have quick, but shaky fingers.
[06:07:59] <Jeremy_Sanders> Incredible! There are others who suffer from my ailment?
[06:08:03] <Jeremy_Sanders> Where?
[06:08:12] <FoobarBazbot> your name is Jeremy Sanders Bot?
[06:08:22] <Jeremy_Sanders> Chuckle...
[06:08:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> I feel comfortable around you all.
[06:08:39] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm confident you don't know me in real life.
[06:08:43] <Jeremy_Sanders> That's good.
[06:08:51] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm not a bot.
[06:09:04] <Jeremy_Sanders> I can prove this... but I'm not sure how
[06:09:05] <ground> We are all locked away in Dr. Sbaitso's institution.
[06:09:27] <Jeremy_Sanders> Anyway, I've met a woman at the local dry cleaner.
[06:09:29] <mattie_p> you are a rant machine though. What's the verdict? Keep Jeremy or kick him?
[06:09:45] <Jeremy_Sanders> Her name is Ying. She's from a country in the far east. I may pursue her.
[06:09:52] <Jeremy_Sanders> Please, I wish to stay.
[06:10:01] <Jeremy_Sanders> I've been here for nearly 3 months now.
[06:10:11] <useless> that's a good trick
[06:10:37] <Jeremy_Sanders> ..
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[06:10:46] <FoobarBazbot> Lol, 3 months
[06:10:53] <Jeremy_Sanders> useless, you've seen the username mib_34ss4, right?
[06:11:01] <Jeremy_Sanders> It's some combination of it..
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[06:11:45] <keplr> Well I see you're all still here, my plan to blow up the Earth must have failed.
[06:11:54] <FoobarBazbot> NOW it's a party
[06:12:17] <useless> keplr: yeah, double goto bug in launch.c
[06:12:20] <Jeremy_Sanders> You pride yourself in astrophysics knowledge I suppose
[06:12:44] <Jeremy_Sanders> Also, goto is the worst linked command to use in any implementation of C.
[06:12:55] <Jeremy_Sanders> You need to change your programming style.
[06:13:03] <Jeremy_Sanders> You're treating C like BASIC.
[06:13:08] <Jeremy_Sanders> C is not BASIC.
[06:13:10] <keplr> I learned to program with QBASIC, so I have a soft spot in my heart for goto lines
[06:13:17] <Jeremy_Sanders> Neither that, nor COBOL.
[06:13:21] <Jeremy_Sanders> keplr, well stop.
[06:13:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> It's difficult to debug.
[06:13:47] <useless> well, C is for cookie
[06:13:47] <FoobarBazbot> Turing test failed, no human would know that about C
[06:13:53] <useless> that's good enough for me
[06:13:57] <Jeremy_Sanders> You also end up with program halts, which causes for severe memory leaking if you are initializing variables repeatedly.
[06:14:07] <Jeremy_Sanders> lol, FoobarBazbot
[06:14:17] <Jeremy_Sanders> I don't know
[06:14:23] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm a web developer, not a programmer.
[06:14:27] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm high level..
[06:14:39] <useless> you're high alright
[06:14:40] <keplr> ..autist?
[06:15:16] <Jeremy_Sanders> Again, as I've said before, the Turing Test holds no bearing.
[06:15:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> It's a false test of determining if someone is human.
[06:15:39] <Jeremy_Sanders> You'd be better off with visual picture identification.
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[06:15:55] <Jeremy_Sanders> And that was for?
[06:16:06] <Jeremy_Sanders> You have a soft spot for Alan Turing?
[06:16:13] <mattie_p> You need to slow down and let other people speak
[06:16:15] <automation_defense> nuke.c
[06:16:20] <Jeremy_Sanders> Alright, forgive me.
[06:16:25] <mattie_p> this is a channel for dialogue
[06:16:35] <mattie_p> I didn't ban, but this is a gentle warning
[06:16:37] <Jeremy_Sanders> Which includes 2 or more parties.
[06:16:41] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[06:16:44] <Jeremy_Sanders> Fine. Warning accepted.
[06:16:46] <crutchy> funny song
[06:16:52] <FoobarBazbot> The internet is a human, I know because it once sent me a picture of it's gaping anus
[06:17:02] <keplr> It sent me that, too.
[06:17:05] <automation_defense> aka goatse
[06:17:06] <useless> crutchy: hahaha
[06:17:11] <Jeremy_Sanders> What goes on here?
[06:17:14] <mattie_p> thanks, Jeremy
[06:17:14] <automation_defense> life
[06:17:28] <mattie_p> .deop
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[06:17:43] <Jeremy_Sanders> I can't seem to find any other story to share with you all..
[06:17:56] <automation_defense> well i'll start;
[06:18:07] <automation_defense> i fucking hate when people accuse me of hacker even when i'm not a programmer
[06:18:09] <automation_defense> i'm just an IT guy
[06:18:21] <automation_defense> fixing dumb shit for dumb people
[06:18:22] <crutchy> that that explains everything
[06:18:34] <automation_defense> and flash plugin mess.... yeah that
[06:18:36] <automation_defense> what else.. um
[06:18:37] <Konomi> I'd say you're fixing stuff for dumb people
[06:18:45] <automation_defense> Konomi: fixing dumb people
[06:18:45] <Konomi> the stuff is probably smarter than they are
[06:18:52] <Konomi> that's impossible
[06:18:55] <FoobarBazbot> If u hate it, why the (former) nick?
[06:18:56] <Konomi> I have tried you will go insane
[06:19:15] <automation_defense> FoobarBazbot: because i'm an attention whore, nothing will change that
[06:19:28] <automation_defense> people almost run me over a lot in cities
[06:19:32] <automation_defense> that drives me even MORE insane
[06:19:37] <crutchy> xlefay... save us
[06:19:38] <useless> trying to make anything moron-proof is a waste, the universe will just create a more advanced moron
[06:19:39] <Cryptobandar> Replace them with small shell scripts?
[06:20:01] <automation_defense> crutchy... chill i'm not here to set fire on myself
[06:20:04] <automation_defense> >.>
[06:20:07] <crutchy> lol
[06:20:51] <automation_defense> well on a side note; fucking with a condom on is like cheating a game
[06:20:54] <automation_defense> you can go on alll day i swear
[06:21:28] <FoobarBazbot> No, you
[06:21:38] <automation_defense> while she's moaning you're like "what is this i don't even"
[06:21:52] <keplr> I'd settle for that at this point.
[06:22:13] <automation_defense> i told my gf and she's like "yeah guys prefer to go raw" whatever man ....
[06:22:34] <Konomi> tmi
[06:22:41] <Khyber> woot 100w LED in my hands!
[06:22:47] <keplr> My university's computer system runs Solaris, I learned this when an error occured and showed a page with some technical details. Thought that was interesting.
[06:23:29] <keplr> This hasn't been updated in ten years, was my next thought
[06:23:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> http://www.kneeandshouldersurgery.com
[06:23:36] <Jeremy_Sanders> Nhhhh....
[06:23:45] <automation_defense> solaris >.> great, more OS i need to know ^^
[06:24:02] <automation_defense> as if we didn't have enough of them
[06:24:13] <Jeremy_Sanders> Try counting Linux distros.
[06:24:13] <crutchy> why would you want to learn solaris?
[06:24:21] <crutchy> people get paid to learn solaris
[06:24:24] <automation_defense> crutchy: so i'm not completely oblivious i guess
[06:24:27] <automation_defense> oh really lmao
[06:24:34] <automation_defense> did not know that... thank you for info?
[06:25:09] <keplr> If you think you need to learn Solaris, ask yourself this question: do I work for a fortune 100 defense contractor?
[06:25:16] <useless> In solaris, freed up kernel memory is DEADBEEF
[06:25:37] <crutchy> so you go learn solaris... but you may not know some other OS like z/OS
[06:25:40] <automation_defense> Jeremy_Sanders: distrowtach.com
[06:25:55] <useless> that's all I really remember for obscure solaris info
[06:25:57] <crutchy> you are completely oblivious if you don't leanr z/OS
[06:26:17] <keplr> Solaris could have been THE consumer Unix OS if Sun had played their cards right
[06:26:21] <keplr> Instead we got OS X.
[06:26:27] <crutchy> what about all the embedded OS's?
[06:26:33] <crutchy> need to learn them too :-P
[06:26:33] <automation_defense> os x is hybrid, isnt it :/
[06:26:36] <useless> same could be said for beos
[06:27:03] <Jeremy_Sanders> http://www.featurepics.com
[06:27:09] <Jeremy_Sanders> This^ a million times.
[06:27:19] <automation_defense> crutchy: small no-known proprietary softwares ^^ great lmao
[06:27:23] <useless> it's OpenStep 5.0
[06:27:26] <automation_defense> unknown**
[06:27:36] <automation_defense> crutchy: z/OS will keep in mind ^^
[06:27:40] <automation_defense> i will*
[06:28:09] <automation_defense> virtualbox, lets go!
[06:28:17] <crutchy> you just gunna go out and buy z/OS huh?
[06:29:15] <automation_defense> only if its possible o_O?
[06:30:19] * FoobarBazbot afks, cya trollbots
[06:30:35] <crutchy> lol cya foobarbazbot :-)
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[06:31:03] <automation_defense> ttyl
[06:31:12] <juggs> either shit got weird in here the last 45 mins or so, or I'm hallucinating and should get some sleep.
[06:31:32] <automation_defense> hallucination is cool, it'll help you go to sleep ^^
[06:31:52] <crutchy> methink jeremy_sanders == automation_defense
[06:31:55] <automation_defense> lmao
[06:32:14] <automation_defense> you can't rule me out by IP addresses... blame the law
[06:32:22] <juggs> crutchy, ya think?
[06:32:30] <automation_defense> just kidding; i won't troll i promise ^^
[06:32:42] <crutchy> sorry stating the obvious
[06:33:09] <Jeremy_Sanders> http://farm3.static.flickr.com
[06:33:11] <automation_defense> it is obviously obvious! o_o
[06:33:15] <Jeremy_Sanders> This is an incredible picture..
[06:33:26] <crutchy> it's just sad
[06:33:26] <Jeremy_Sanders> Imagine if a beautiful woman had to get that procedure
[06:33:37] <Jeremy_Sanders> The lace of her muscle, skin, and fat peeled away
[06:33:47] <Jeremy_Sanders> To reveal the weakness of her pure, virgin bone.
[06:33:59] <Jeremy_Sanders> God, I can only imagine it in my wildest dreams..
[06:34:10] <crutchy> might go lurk in #blah cos it's so way more awesomer there
[06:34:29] <automation_defense> crutchy: nou
[06:34:33] <automation_defense> ttyl
[06:34:35] <useless> ok, Jeremy_Sanders is getting boring now
[06:34:49] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm getting a mild sexual thrill from this.
[06:34:58] <Jeremy_Sanders> Being able to admit what I like to someone..
[06:35:07] <useless> yawn
[06:35:07] <Jeremy_Sanders> Please, let me stay
[06:35:15] <Jeremy_Sanders> I can't do this anywhere else..
[06:35:21] <juggs> useless... /ignore Jeremy_Sanders ALL /ignore automation_defense ALL
[06:35:33] <crutchy> you should go to #blah too jeremy... cos only awesome people hang out there
[06:35:44] <crutchy> oh thanks juggs
[06:35:57] <useless> juggs: thanks
[06:36:10] <automation_defense> i don't troll on you; i troll with you.... big difference
[06:36:14] <automation_defense> sigh
[06:36:43] <automation_defense> kids these days
[06:37:09] <crutchy> oh no... IGNORE Unknown command
[06:37:17] <juggs> no probs - had to check the options myself - I'm no irc guru, just knew there was a /ignore something something something dark side complete somewhere or other :D
[06:37:29] <automation_defense> juggs: refer to client manual.
[06:37:34] <crutchy> hahaha
[06:37:35] <automation_defense> hur durr
[06:37:40] <automation_defense> rtfm
[06:38:03] <juggs> must be a client side option then if it's not known for you
[06:38:06] <juggs> I get this:
[06:38:08] <juggs> Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
[06:38:08] <juggs> mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com
[06:38:08] <juggs> types - types of data to ignore, one or all of:
[06:38:08] <juggs> PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL
[06:38:08] <juggs> options - NOSAVE, QUIET
[06:38:16] <useless> http://shortlist.com
[06:38:28] <Konomi> don't all social networks do that
[06:38:39] <automation_defense> Konomi: aren't we all crazy
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[06:38:43] <useless> seriously, is it a req to not have a brain to be a tech "journalist" these days?
[06:38:46] <Konomi> it's pretty much why I've given up on going out, the pressure that socialising somehow equals getting drunk
[06:38:53] <Jeremy_Sanders> http://fc02.deviantart.net
[06:38:57] <Jeremy_Sanders> Yes.....
[06:39:29] <useless> it's an obvious fake app, but got reported as real
[06:39:39] <Konomi> oh god it's called liver I want to leave the planet NOW
[06:39:49] <crutchy> http://chat.soylentnews.org doesn't have ignore option under /help
[06:39:51] <crutchy> :-(
[06:39:53] <Konomi> oh few faith not totally shattered then
[06:40:03] <useless> fuck that, kick them off the planet, I like it here
[06:40:15] <automation_defense> Konomi: you do have a point, but i'm gunna lie; some people open up more though, you gotta blame them
[06:40:27] <automation_defense> the ones who are alcoholic
[06:40:47] <juggs> crutchy - that needs fixing then
[06:40:49] <Konomi> that's more sad than something to encourage
[06:40:59] <automation_defense> Konomi: exactly; it's complicated
[06:41:06] <Konomi> this app could actually be useful useless
[06:41:08] <Jeremy_Sanders> http://farm3.staticflickr.com mmmffffff
[06:41:14] <Konomi> you could see all the circles of drunks and avoid them
[06:41:17] <juggs> it is a server option.... /help gives me:
[06:41:18] <juggs> Commands Available:
[06:41:18] <juggs>
[06:41:18] <juggs> ADDBUTTON ALLCHAN ALLCHANL ALLSERV AWAY
[06:41:18] <juggs> BACK BAN CHANOPT CHARSET CLEAR
[06:41:18] <juggs> CLOSE COUNTRY CTCP CYCLE DCC
[06:41:20] <juggs> DEBUG DEHOP DELBUTTON DEOP DEVOICE
[06:41:22] <juggs> DISCON DNS ECHO EXEC EXECCONT
[06:41:24] <useless> no, sad is that someone is going to take that, make it a business plan, and I expect a kickstarter within the week
[06:41:24] <juggs> EXECKILL EXECSTOP EXECWRITE FLUSHQ GATE
[06:41:26] <juggs> GETFILE GETINT GETSTR GHOST GUI
[06:41:28] <juggs> HELP HOP ID IGNORE INVITE
[06:41:31] <juggs> JOIN KICK KICKBAN KILLALL LAGCHECK
[06:41:32] <juggs> LASTLOG LIST LOAD MDEHOP MDEOP
[06:41:34] <juggs> ME MENU MKICK MODE MOP
[06:41:36] <juggs> MSG NAMES NCTCP NEWSERVER NICK
[06:41:37] * Konomi smacks juggs with a rabid stallman
[06:41:38] <juggs> NOTICE NOTIFY OP PART PING
[06:41:42] <juggs> QUERY QUIT QUOTE RECONNECT RECV
[06:41:44] <juggs> SAY SEND SERVCHAN SERVER SET
[06:41:46] <juggs> SETCURSOR SETTAB SETTEXT SPLAY TOPIC
[06:41:48] <juggs> TRAY UNBAN UNIGNORE UNLOAD URL
[06:41:50] <juggs> USELECT USERLIST VOICE WALLCHAN WALLCHOP
[06:41:52] <juggs> sorry... for spam
[06:41:58] <crutchy> juggs: is the web irc on github?'
[06:42:01] <automation_defense> it's okay, that's how i fuck anyway
[06:42:14] * juggs throws stallman toe cheese at Konomi
[06:42:22] <Konomi> nu anything but that
[06:42:27] <automation_defense> lolwhat
[06:42:49] <juggs> crutchy, no idea what is being used for the web interface
[06:42:51] <useless> just because he'd fly afterit
[06:43:20] <useless> and no one wants rms coming at them
[06:44:34] <crutchy> now there's an image i didn't need
[06:44:45] <crutchy> :-P
[06:45:03] <crutchy> !stats
[06:45:03] <Juggalo> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[06:45:11] <Juggalo> stat results for #Soylent: xlefay: 4974, kobach: 4735, crutchy: 3912, unknown: 2820, hax0rz: 2675, MrBluze: 2405, arti: 2163, Landon: 1934, Khyber: 1731, mattie_p: 1478, Guardian452: 1407, janrinok: 1389, Konomi: 1359, Bender: 1246, stderr: 1130, n1: 981, swisskid: 966, NCommander: 965, FatPhil: 925, auto_def: 905, mrcoolbp: 890, martyb: 838, weilawei: 769, Popeidol: 592, juggs: 588, TheMightyBuzzard: 574, swiss: 529, pbnjoe: 509, Ethanol-fueled: 493
[06:45:15] <useless> thenI won't describe the time he was at a party I was at, and he tried to hit on a woman
[06:45:30] <Konomi> oh god I moved up the list how is that possible I barely say anything
[06:45:46] <crutchy> yeah i don't know how the hell i could be 3rd
[06:45:47] <Khyber> GODDAMNIT THIS IS NOT A 100W LED
[06:45:47] <keplr> I'm not even on the big board :(
[06:45:58] <Khyber> This is 100 1W LEDs
[06:46:03] <Khyber> fucking Chinese
[06:46:05] <crutchy> lol
[06:46:09] <mattie_p> I know how kobach got to 2nd place
[06:46:13] <mattie_p> he was all:
[06:46:24] * crutchy tries to imagine 100 leds crammed into a bigger led
[06:46:25] <mattie_p> bacon++ #because bacon is why
[06:46:25] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 117
[06:46:30] <useless> lots of bacon
[06:46:35] <Konomi> bacon++
[06:46:35] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 118
[06:46:38] <crutchy> lol
[06:46:40] <Konomi> there is no other logical action
[06:46:47] <mattie_p> logic--
[06:46:47] <Juggalo> karma - logic: -1
[06:46:50] <Khyber> crutchy: http://www.ebay.com
[06:46:51] <Jeremy_Sanders> Yessss
[06:46:56] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm done now..
[06:47:11] <Jeremy_Sanders> You need to focus on lumens.
[06:47:27] <Khyber> Uh, no
[06:47:31] <Khyber> photon flux density
[06:47:31] <mattie_p> Jeremy, so much for your 3 months being here
[06:47:33] <Jeremy_Sanders> You may be able to get an LED with a high amount of lumens, but you'll need to get a driver to power this.
[06:47:34] <Khyber> lumens are for humans.
[06:47:38] <mattie_p> posting at that rate you'd be over 9000!
[06:47:45] <Khyber> Uh, no
[06:47:48] <Khyber> No driver needed
[06:47:54] <Khyber> lrn2EE an drive directly from AC
[06:48:00] <Jeremy_Sanders> As I said, no merchants advertise "My LED has this many Photon Flux Density Units"
[06:48:13] <useless> lol
[06:48:16] <Khyber> uh
[06:48:18] <Jeremy_Sanders> Hm, such hostility, am I encroaching in your territory? are LED's your thing?
[06:48:21] <Khyber> you're dead wrong
[06:48:36] <Jeremy_Sanders> My apologies if I'm taking away your position in the group as LED chief away from you.
[06:48:37] <Khyber> Yea, LEDs are a bit more than my thing
[06:48:43] <Jeremy_Sanders> But you need to focus on Lumens.
[06:48:50] <Khyber> And you don't even know what you're talking about.
[06:48:52] <juggs> are those stats the number of messages "said"?
[06:48:53] <Khyber> so with that
[06:48:54] <Konomi> http://fareastcynic.com
[06:49:03] <crutchy> Jeremy_Sanders: you need to focus on sanity
[06:49:16] <Jeremy_Sanders> That's a wonderful picture Konomi
[06:49:21] <Khyber> gotta love /ignore
[06:49:24] <Jeremy_Sanders> I'm sane. I've had my dosage.
[06:49:31] <Jeremy_Sanders> Relax..
[06:50:12] <crutchy> u should go learn z/OS or something
[06:50:18] <Jeremy_Sanders> By the way, I'm rubbing my hands together right now.
[06:50:38] <crutchy> otherwise you'll be "completely oblivious"
[06:50:56] <Jeremy_Sanders> It was nice meeting you lot. I'm going to head out.
[06:51:00] <Jeremy_Sanders> o/
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[06:51:03] <crutchy> cheers
[06:51:56] <crutchy> juggs: i think so but not sure. arti's stats page is pretty cool though
[06:52:11] <Khyber> yay the idiot troll left
[06:52:39] <Khyber> thinking plants give a fuck about lumens, lmfao. Lumens are for humans.
[06:52:40] <Konomi> I can't really tell if he was a troll or just overtly vocal
[06:52:44] <crutchy> i'm an idiot troll
[06:52:46] <Khyber> No, totally troll
[06:53:01] <Konomi> well I did skip over the LED stuff it didn't really interest me
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[06:53:22] <crutchy> there was an aweful lot of purple on my end
[06:53:36] <useless> you should get that looked at by a doctor
[06:54:19] <crutchy> definitely... loss of blood to my... tumbleweeds between my ears
[06:54:20] <mattie_p> should I have banned him?
[06:54:32] <Konomi> that's the hard part of trolls
[06:54:34] <mattie_p> he seemed relatively harmless and the kick seemed to do him some good
[06:54:51] <Konomi> they go as close to the line as possible and if you ban them their trolly friends start yelling abuse
[06:54:58] <Konomi> can you tell I've modded irc channels before?
[06:55:01] <crutchy> i kinda tune out to most of it
[06:55:24] <mattie_p> well, I am working on some other stuff, just happened to pop in and see a bot talking
[06:55:33] <keplr> http://i.imgur.com
[06:55:41] <crutchy> what you working on mattie_p?
[06:55:43] <mattie_p> granted, one that could pick up on key words like turing test, but still an apparent bot
[06:55:46] <crutchy> if you don't mind me asking
[06:55:55] <mattie_p> got to critique some peers in a class I'm taking
[06:56:15] <mattie_p> provide feedback today so we can turn in final answers tomorrow for a lab
[06:56:21] <crutchy> for a course you doing? or are u the teacher?
[06:56:28] <mattie_p> I'm taking the class
[06:56:33] <crutchy> cool
[06:57:10] <juggs> crutchy - the SN web irc seems to be using some version of qwebirc. Seems to be various forks on github e.g. https://github.com https://github.com Probably best to find out which version is in use before committing addition of /ignore. Shouldn't be too hard - it's just jscript.
[06:57:17] <crutchy> what you studying?
[06:58:07] * crutchy wonders if he could just scrape the js from chat.soylentnews.org
[06:58:40] <mattie_p> this particular class is in interpreting the Bible. I'm trying something different and stretching my brain.
[06:58:53] <crutchy> holy carp that sounds intense
[06:59:22] <Konomi> I'd probably get thrown out of that class, they wouldn't like my interpretations
[06:59:45] <crutchy> is it one of those context curricilum subjects (one outisde your course)?
[07:00:05] <crutchy> or you studying religion?
[07:00:11] <crutchy> sorry for the 20 questions
[07:00:26] <mattie_p> I'm not taking a final course of study right now, but after losing my job recently I decided to do something different
[07:00:39] <keplr> interpreting the bible...lab...
[07:00:41] <keplr> how?
[07:00:47] <mattie_p> so I'm taking the "Intro to Seminary" course at the local seminary
[07:00:51] <crutchy> you lost your job!?
[07:01:02] <mattie_p> like 2 months ago, where have you been?
[07:01:23] <mattie_p> I'm just doing this stuff here at the site while looking, and taking the class, and raising a family, and keeping my wife
[07:01:33] <Konomi> wonder if I could write an eassy and somehow assert that the people writing the bible were tripping on acid
[07:01:37] <crutchy> sorry to hear
[07:01:43] <mattie_p> so that is 3 full time jobs and a 2 semester hour class
[07:01:48] <mattie_p> at the masters level
[07:01:56] <crutchy> glad to hear you coping though
[07:01:59] <GungnirSniper> Sorry to hear Mattie.
[07:02:09] <mattie_p> Konomi: I have a lot of friends that feel the exact same way you do.
[07:02:13] <crutchy> can't imagine how hard it would be to get back up on that horse
[07:02:45] <Konomi> really good acid
[07:02:47] <mattie_p> Konomi: I'm really not sure what I truly believe or why, and I figure a good way to get to the bottom of it is through a class that really challenges those kind of beliefs
[07:03:02] <Konomi> mental conditioning at a young age perhaps p
[07:03:03] <Konomi> ;p
[07:03:09] <keplr> http://www.youtube.com
[07:03:22] <Konomi> I had a religious grandmother and I understand the attraction of the whole thing
[07:03:25] <crutchy> i want my kids to learn about different religions
[07:03:30] <Konomi> people like having answers
[07:03:42] <crutchy> people like the comfort of answers
[07:03:52] <mattie_p> Konomi: I like answers as well, and what better way than taking a class where I have to cough up my own?
[07:04:32] <mattie_p> I don't believe that critical thinking is something I should give up if I believe in a religion
[07:04:45] <Konomi> good luck I'm sure you'll find others who beleive otherwise ;p
[07:05:16] <crutchy> there are a lot of really smart religious people. i think religion is more about feeling than thinking
[07:05:17] <mattie_p> my mental conditioning growing up was young earth creationist, but I lost that about 15-20 years ago, when I learned about science
[07:05:33] <Konomi> I lost mine at 10
[07:05:34] <mattie_p> Konomi: I've met some of those as well
[07:05:50] <Konomi> at 10 I already smelt the distinct odur of bullshit from society in general
[07:06:07] <mattie_p> I ... must have been a little more naive
[07:06:12] <crutchy> that smell came from washington dc
[07:06:17] <mattie_p> ^^
[07:06:31] <Konomi> crutchy: must be a powerful smell I live in australia ;p
[07:06:40] <mattie_p> anyway, happy to resume in about an hour, need to wrap up my critiques by the deadline
[07:06:47] <juggs> mattie_p, don't just restrict yourself to the bible. Take in some other religious texts and then analyse where they came from, what they were based in. It gets murky thanks to wanton destruction of written history by various players at various points in time. There is wisdom in there, but I don't think religious texts are it.
[07:06:50] <crutchy> lol washington dc's bullshit has infected the whole world
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[07:07:07] <Khyber> If your religious text has a copyright on it, it ain't a religion.
[07:07:21] <Khyber> *cough*scientology*cough*
[07:07:26] <mattie_p> juggs, happy to chat, just give me an hour
[07:07:43] <mattie_p> maybe we need to start a #religion channel where we can all flame each other there
[07:07:51] <Konomi> I don't think anyone is going to debate scientology as been anything but a waste of time
[07:08:05] <crutchy> there is a lot of science that is based on best guess, which isn't any better than religious beleif
[07:08:11] <Konomi> I'd never join I've been over these subjecsts both in my head and with other people for years
[07:08:15] <crutchy> theories
[07:08:32] <Konomi> my shock and horror comes from that fact that people are still caught on it all and not moving foward
[07:08:57] <GungnirSniper> I went from Hebrew pre-school, to public elementary, then Assemblies of God elementary, to public middle school, then Catholic high school to private art college. No wonder I like grass.
[07:08:59] <crutchy> moving forward requires an open mind... from both sides
[07:09:29] <crutchy> there is a lot of strange phenomenon reported that the scientific community waves off as bs
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[07:09:54] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[07:10:01] <Konomi> I like to leg go ;p
[07:10:04] <Konomi> let go even heh
[07:10:50] <juggs> mattie_p, I see no need to flame about religion. It's a personal thing and best left there. My personal view moves with every year and I hold no commitment to any particular religion. It is an interesting area of study though, trying to place things in their point in time etc.
[07:12:04] <mattie_p> I have seen maybe one or two forums of communication where discussion about religion can take place without flames
[07:12:43] <mattie_p> I can't even talk to my own father, with whom I agree on multiple points, about religion without needing a fire extinguishers
[07:12:48] <crutchy> those who flame religion are no better. proving the absence of god is as hard as proving the existence of god
[07:13:38] <mattie_p> and, we now need a religion channel
[07:13:46] <crutchy> lol
[07:13:51] <useless> heh
[07:14:02] <mattie_p> #religion
[07:14:03] <Khyber> I've been dead more times than Jesus Christ. I am god. Bow before me and sTFU about such trivial things.
[07:14:11] <crutchy> religious banter gotta be better than what was going on 20 minutes ago
[07:14:20] <crutchy> when you went .op
[07:15:47] <mattie_p> well, someone needed to
[07:15:54] <mattie_p> that guy was tripping
[07:16:19] <crutchy> yeah
[07:16:30] <useless> yeah, we really did need an adult
[07:16:46] <crutchy> xlefay has quited him before i think
[07:16:59] <crutchy> s/quited/quieted
[07:16:59] * SedBot tosses a / to crotchy
[07:17:02] <crutchy> s/quited/quieted/
[07:17:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> xlefay has quieted him before i think
[07:17:27] <crutchy> damn vowel substitution :-P
[07:17:32] <mattie_p> I lol'd at the three months
[07:17:55] <mattie_p> I don't know how to quiet someone, I fail at IRC
[07:18:03] <mattie_p> fortunately my client backed me up
[07:18:08] <mattie_p> xchat for the win
[07:18:19] <keplr> irssi or nothing
[07:18:33] <useless> what keplr said
[07:18:41] <crutchy> sic
[07:18:41] <keplr> weechat honourable mention
[07:18:48] <mattie_p> take it to #religion :p
[07:18:53] <useless> haha
[07:19:03] <juggs> xchat++
[07:19:03] <Juggalo> karma - xchat: 2
[07:19:12] <Cryptobandar> irssi++
[07:19:12] <Juggalo> karma - irssi: 2
[07:19:16] <crutchy> #real_men_use
[07:19:33] <Cryptobandar> Just to even things...
[07:19:39] <mattie_p> my FSM what have I done?
[07:19:39] <keplr> I even use irssi on my Mac where it takes 4GB of Xcode to install
[07:19:40] <Khyber> Not connecting to IRC via Terminal
[07:19:44] <Khyber> 2014
[07:19:50] <Khyber> Costanza.jpg
[07:20:00] <juggs> OK - who took my name in vain for the Juggalo bot - hmmph
[07:20:14] <Khyber> Juggalos--
[07:20:14] <Juggalo> karma - juggalos: -1
[07:20:15] <keplr> But when you ssh into your *nix box, what are you using? ...irssi
[07:20:18] <crutchy> i have xchat installed
[07:20:26] * crutchy wonders why he not using xchat
[07:21:19] <juggs> because crutchy has fallen for web2.0 where the browser is for ~everything~
[07:21:42] <crutchy> lol yeah... damn php rotting my brain... err... i mean tumbleweeds
[07:22:06] <Khyber> okay let's see if my energy eficient computer with a shit 250w PSU will take my 9800GTX+ 170w at load? 45w CPU, laptop hard drives, two measly fans.
[07:22:18] <Khyber> should be JUUUUUUUUUST pushing the edge
[07:22:29] <Khyber> back in a few minutes! :D
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[07:22:42] <crutchy> my poota would just freeze
[07:22:53] <juggs> not exactly efficient at that loading
[07:23:05] <mattie_p> what?
[07:23:09] <mattie_p> poutine--
[07:23:09] <Juggalo> karma - poutine: -243
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[07:23:36] <keplr> I've always wanted to try poutine
[07:23:39] <crutchy> there goes the other one
[07:23:51] <juggs> shame
[07:24:29] * juggs wonders ho many ignore lists he is on :D
[07:24:34] <juggs> how*
[07:27:23] <crutchy> i don't think you would be on any
[07:27:52] <crutchy> i might be on some... i'm no 3 on stats
[07:27:56] <crutchy> apparently i talk too much
[07:27:59] <FoobarBazbot_> keplr: I just sshed into my *nix box, and I'm using ii
[07:28:09] <FoobarBazbot_> ii++ :p
[07:28:09] <Juggalo> karma - ii: 2
[07:28:12] <juggs> you clearly missed some of my more verbose diatribes on irrelevant BS :D
[07:28:17] <keplr> What the hell is that
[07:28:40] <crutchy> c++
[07:28:40] <Juggalo> karma - c: 12
[07:28:55] <FoobarBazbot_> http://tools.suckless.org
[07:28:56] <juggs> c++++
[07:29:00] <crutchy> bender clearly favours c over c++
[07:29:13] * FoobarBazbot_ might have missed a trailing /, typing from memory
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[07:29:31] <keplr> wow, an irc client in 10kb
[07:29:51] <crutchy> http://tools.suckless.org
[07:29:57] <juggs> c#++
[07:30:05] <crutchy> i think you put me onto sic didn't you foobar?
[07:30:23] <crutchy> it's what crutchy-log uses
[07:30:38] <keplr> Whatever, I have 32GB or RAM. irssi is still king
[07:30:46] <crutchy> lol
[07:30:50] <juggs> c++--
[07:30:55] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - "Genomic Medicine, Finally" - http://sylnt.us - good-for-what-ails-you
[07:31:10] <Konomi> cxx--
[07:31:10] <Juggalo> karma - cxx: 0
[07:31:12] <crutchy> i'm still on planet 4Gb
[07:31:15] <keplr> My first HDD was smaller than the RAM I have now
[07:31:17] <crutchy> except at work
[07:32:00] <FoobarBazbot> crutchy yeah, i think so
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[07:33:24] * crutchy remains perfectly still... it's vision is based on movement
[07:33:44] <keplr> Hell, my GPU is a more powerful computer than the first whole computer I owned.
[07:33:52] * useless pushes crutchy and runs in the opposite direction
[07:34:02] <keplr> So is my damn phone
[07:34:09] * juggs trips useless
[07:34:17] <keplr> And it runs irssi!
[07:34:36] <crutchy> but can you land on the moon with it? that is the question
[07:34:52] <crutchy> ...without a bsod
[07:34:55] <keplr> Sure, if the programs were rewritten for its CPU
[07:35:10] <keplr> Orbital mechanics is actually pretty simple
[07:35:15] <keplr> It's one equation, six variables
[07:35:18] <crutchy> machine reliability isn't
[07:36:55] <keplr> http://www.braeunig.us
[07:37:32] <keplr> My Ti-83 can replace all the computer used to run the Apollo program
[07:38:47] <FoobarBazbot> my watch only runs andchat.
[07:39:07] * FoobarBazbot should put sic on his watch
[07:39:12] <keplr> My watch is NASA certified for all manned space flight :p
[07:39:22] <crutchy> http://www.doneyles.com
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[07:40:03] <crutchy> the agc was a pretty awesome machine, even by today's standards i think... not for performance, but for error recovery and operation in harsh environments
[07:40:27] <FoobarBazbot> My watch is Foobar certified for suborbital manned space flight.
[07:40:38] <FoobarBazbot> anything longer, it'll run out of batteries
[07:41:02] <keplr> Mine is a Casio g-shock, battery last 5-6 years :p
[07:41:09] * FoobarBazbot needs a lithium-sulfur battery
[07:41:38] <FoobarBazbot> 5-6 years of *not* running linux, maybe
[07:42:04] <keplr> I'm sure it doesn't really have an OS
[07:42:37] <crutchy> depends how you define OS
[07:42:51] <FoobarBazbot> I used to have a solar-powered G-shock, which I frequently charged in winter using a LED-modded maglight.
[07:43:24] <keplr> I tried to convert a standard mini maglight into an LED. I burned myself
[07:43:34] <FoobarBazbot> One day I accidentally picked up the ~80W halogen maglight instead by mistake, set it on the floor to charge, and came back 20 minutes later.
[07:44:01] <FoobarBazbot> Bye-bye, watch.
[07:44:53] <FoobarBazbot> Burned yourself? grabbed the bulb when it was on?
[07:45:11] <crutchy> cold fusion light bulb
[07:45:27] <FoobarBazbot> That's why the pros take the batteries out first. :p
[07:45:27] <keplr> I'm not sure what went wrong. The LED came on, but the housing become hot enough to cause 1st degree burns.
[07:45:34] <FoobarBazbot> ah, ok.
[07:45:44] <FoobarBazbot> what batteries, LED you try?
[07:46:04] <crutchy> must've been a short somewhere
[07:46:12] <crutchy> cooked the battery?
[07:46:17] <mattie_p> brb, try not to invite all the bots in while I step away for a moment
[07:46:21] <keplr> I don't remember. Standard alkaline batteries and an LED upgrad kit. My girlfriend at the time gave it to me.
[07:46:24] <mattie_p> or all the people who act like bots
[07:46:33] <crutchy> we won't mention his name
[07:46:35] <crutchy> :-P
[07:46:39] <keplr> She felt bad about me getting burned and we had sex, so it was still a pretty good bday present.
[07:46:50] <crutchy> tmi
[07:47:13] <keplr> I'm a nerd, I don't have many stories like that, let me have them
[07:47:42] <crutchy> i'm just jealous
[07:47:52] * FoobarBazbot likes Ni-Zn + Nichia GS
[07:47:53] <crutchy> i'm married so i don't get any :-P
[07:48:02] <useless> heh
[07:48:11] <keplr> Not married, and neither do I
[07:48:37] <FoobarBazbot> But my favorite LED maglight was back when the Rebel-based D-cell mags first came out.
[07:48:58] <FoobarBazbot> I adapted the light engine from a 3D mag to fit in a mini-mag
[07:49:25] <FoobarBazbot> And used a Li-ion 14670, and a Kroll tailswitch
[07:49:39] <keplr> I have a 3 d-cell LED maglight now and I love it
[07:50:59] <FoobarBazbot> Eh, IMO the D-cell LEDs aren't bright enough. You get ridiculous runtimes, but I'm happier with more light and a runtime on par with the old incandescent mags.
[07:51:26] <FoobarBazbot> The current ones are pretty nice, though, if that runtime/brightness balance suits you.
[07:51:34] <useless> *whew* always a relief when a fresh build of your window manager doesn't eat itself
[07:51:45] <Cryptobandar> Heh!
[07:52:00] <Cryptobandar> Which WM?
[07:52:03] <useless> E
[07:52:09] <Cryptobandar> 17?
[07:52:12] <useless> 18
[07:52:27] <Cryptobandar> I see.
[07:53:12] <useless> good stuff
[07:53:16] <Cryptobandar> I like the edje library. Wrote a downloader that looked like an alien artifact.
[07:53:52] <Cryptobandar> But E has gotten a bit heavy. I alternate between Fluxbox and I3.
[07:54:42] <useless> never tried I3, should give it a look
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[07:55:06] <Khyber> There we go. working now :D
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[08:01:52] <useless> Cryptobandar: interesting concept
[08:02:18] * crutchy is watching star trek voyager dark frontier
[08:03:04] <Cryptobandar> What, I3? Yeah, when you've gotta focus.
[08:03:30] <useless> yeah, if I was doing dev, could see it being useful
[08:06:09] <Khyber> woot this 9800GTX+ works on my computer with a shitty 250w PSU :D
[08:06:19] <Khyber> calculations appear to be prettymuch spot on for power draw
[08:06:31] <useless> gratz
[08:06:42] <keplr> You can play some Battlefield 1942
[08:08:12] <Cryptobandar> Don't spin up your CD drive, you'll go over power draw.
[08:08:22] <crutchy> lol i was thinking that too
[08:08:23] <Khyber> I don't have a CD drive lol
[08:08:27] <Khyber> optical FTL
[08:08:58] <automation_defense> go hackintosh
[08:09:12] <automation_defense> buy the software first though
[08:09:12] <Khyber> Apple FTL
[08:09:19] <Khyber> No thanks
[08:09:24] <Khyber> I used to be an Apple tech
[08:09:40] <useless> That explains the bitterness
[08:09:42] <Khyber> refuse to touch them any further. 3 years of Flextronics was quite enough
[08:09:50] <automation_defense> you know what's sad though
[08:10:04] <automation_defense> they employ mofos with bachelors degrees in engineering/cs to do sales job
[08:10:07] <automation_defense> jobs*
[08:10:14] <automation_defense> so sad to see them hustle
[08:10:33] <automation_defense> like in apple stores in the mall
[08:10:56] <automation_defense> at least where i used to live, which is VA
[08:11:08] <crutchy> brb. time to cook din dins for the kiddywinks
[08:12:00] <keplr> There but for the grace of hormonal birth control go I.
[08:13:42] <Khyber> I just stick with faggotry. 9 year anniversary was Feb 26th
[08:13:50] <Cryptobandar> Time to sleep. Night guys!
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[08:14:23] <keplr> You're gay and have been in a relationship for 9 years?
[08:15:15] <Khyber> yep
[08:15:21] <Konomi> cool ~
[08:15:46] <keplr> Making the hetero breeder's stat look even more embarrassing.
[08:16:11] <mattie_p> hey, congrats on the solid relationship. 9 years is a true accomplishment
[08:16:39] <keplr> Most couples don't last that long
[08:16:40] <Khyber> Thank you
[08:17:43] <mattie_p> I've been married for 14 years now and with her for 18, and we've been up and down more times I can count, so I know what a comittment that is
[08:17:49] <Khyber> And yea typical hetero relationship/marriage is what, like 5 years?
[08:18:12] <Khyber> at least now days
[08:18:15] <mattie_p> I think 7 years is the quoted figure
[08:18:18] <keplr> 50% fail in less than 5 years
[08:18:35] <mattie_p> aww, not we gotta look up stats
[08:18:40] <Konomi> gotta take them back to a store and get a refund
[08:18:41] <Khyber> lmfao
[08:18:50] <Khyber> porno shop - cheaper than dating!
[08:18:52] <Konomi> failure rate like that
[08:19:06] <Khyber> failure rate like that they need to issue a safety recall
[08:19:07] <Konomi> they sell the shoddy ones failure more likely
[08:19:12] <keplr> My generation just isn't getting married at all, so we're skewing the figures.
[08:19:51] <Konomi> getting married is expnesive
[08:20:21] <mattie_p> its usually only a 30-day money-back guarantee, Konomi
[08:20:46] <mattie_p> day 31 you are on your own
[08:20:50] <Konomi> too busy trying to catch some crumbs dropping from previous generations :3
[08:22:21] <useless> mattie_p: yeah, but you usually get a fondue set and a toaster out of the deal
[08:22:26] <keplr> meh, I've given up on human romantic relationships. Academia, biology, is enough for me. Bitter loniliness fits my lifestyle just fine
[08:23:26] <mattie_p> useless: my wife despises all cheese except for mozarella: plenty of pizza but no fondue
[08:23:44] <keplr> No brie!?
[08:23:55] <useless> and you married this woman?!? ;)
[08:24:19] <mattie_p> Oh, I eat plenty of cheese personally, just no family meals around cheese
[08:24:24] <mattie_p> plus, she loves bacon
[08:24:26] <mattie_p> bacon++
[08:24:26] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 119
[08:24:30] <keplr> Yuck
[08:24:33] <useless> i was going to ask
[08:24:52] <keplr> When are you going to join the vegetarian master race?
[08:25:16] <Konomi> when I get tired of screaming mc donalds at cows
[08:25:18] <useless> when pork gets classifide as a veggie
[08:25:29] <Khyber> Omnivore master race. I get to enjoy the full range of culinary arts!
[08:25:36] <keplr> The pig needs its pork more than you do
[08:26:08] <useless> shit, treading close to the need for #religion again
[08:26:11] <keplr> The only omnis I respect are those that kill their own animals
[08:26:28] <Konomi> I'll probavbly always eat meat
[08:26:33] <Konomi> I'll feel better when we grow it though
[08:26:40] <useless> was veg for 5 years
[08:26:42] <keplr> It's not hard to stop
[08:27:31] <Konomi> for me it is
[08:27:37] <Konomi> cause I generally share a house with others
[08:27:40] <Konomi> and that means similar dinners
[08:27:46] <Konomi> so unless the whole house goes veggie it is
[08:28:14] <Konomi> also green leafy foods tend to give people gas
[08:28:14] <mattie_p> ok, stats: "The average length of a marriage that ends in divorce is eight years." Source: http://www.mckinleyirvin.com
[08:28:29] <keplr> I'm in the same situation and we work it out
[08:28:31] <Khyber> I do kill my own food. 180-lb crossbow, 20x scope. They never see it or hear it.
[08:28:32] <mattie_p> probably not reliable, cuz who is that guy, but its something
[08:28:36] <keplr> It's not even that hard
[08:28:47] <Khyber> I can believe those stats.
[08:28:53] <Khyber> my mom's been married 4 times
[08:29:01] <Khyber> longest lasted.... 6 years
[08:29:02] <useless> sounds legit enough
[08:29:07] <Khyber> and she's trying for #5 right now
[08:29:57] <Konomi> I lvoe archery tbh
[08:30:00] <Konomi> I wish I could do it more
[08:30:09] <keplr> I loved the taste of bacon too, but when I really paid attention to how it got to me I realized it's not ethical
[08:30:31] <mattie_p> mmm ... unethical bacon ... the best kind
[08:30:47] <keplr> There's no system of ethics I could reasonably hold that was consistent with what I was learning in my biology classes and allowed me to eat meat without feeling bad about it
[08:30:48] <Konomi> http://mdbiznews.choosemaryland.org
[08:30:51] <Konomi> I know how we get bacon
[08:31:15] <mattie_p> Konomi++
[08:31:15] <Juggalo> karma - konomi: 8
[08:31:19] <useless> hehe
[08:31:25] <mattie_p> the one true source of bacon!
[08:31:41] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Ask SN: When Is Assembly Worth It? - http://sylnt.us - don't-tell-me-upgrade-PCs
[08:31:41] <keplr> Would you kill a pig yourself? Could you?
[08:32:01] <useless> have and would again
[08:32:17] <Konomi> no that's why I have evil minions I pay to do it for me
[08:32:52] <keplr> I couldn't. Tried and could not. So I realized it was unethical to contract out that procedure to someone else
[08:33:34] <useless> I think every chef should have to do it at least once
[08:33:55] <Konomi> here is the sad cold truth
[08:33:57] <Konomi> most people don't care
[08:34:03] <mattie_p> keplr I understand that opinion and respect it
[08:34:05] <keplr> If everyone had to kill all the animals they ate, there'd be much less meat eating
[08:34:10] <Konomi> most people don't even care 2/3rds of their own species are starving
[08:34:11] <Konomi> so really
[08:34:19] <useless> good point
[08:34:36] <mattie_p> I can do it and have, but so many people are blind to what goes into making meat
[08:34:45] <keplr> Strangely people care more about other animals than members of their own species (also animals)
[08:35:33] <Konomi> only if they're cute
[08:35:56] <mattie_p> where is that dennis leary monologue?
[08:36:07] <keplr> Yeah. I was a pescitarian before I was a vegetarian
[08:36:10] <useless> youtube
[08:36:19] <Konomi> in the tubes the endless tubes
[08:36:38] <keplr> I ate fish only for a few years but then stopped for environmental reasons.
[08:36:48] <useless> keplr: so how veg are you?
[08:37:02] <keplr> I'm lacto ovo vegetarian
[08:37:10] <keplr> 3 years
[08:37:12] <useless> milk and cheese
[08:37:17] <keplr> and eggs
[08:37:27] <keplr> Free range, local, organic, only
[08:37:28] <useless> ok, that's cool
[08:37:37] <Khyber> mmmmm tasty unborn fetus liquefied and fried.
[08:37:42] <Konomi> xD
[08:37:48] <mattie_p> keplr: I think my son is moving in that direction
[08:38:13] <mattie_p> we've done vegetarian meals where he eats more of that than meat, which lately he just picks at
[08:38:32] <keplr> Living a philosophically consistant life is important to me, and I couldn't accept eating other foods with my views on sufferinf and consciousness.
[08:39:29] <keplr> A lot of meat eaters live by keeping two sets of books, and not comparing how they really feel about living things with how they get their food
[08:39:52] <keplr> It didn't work for me
[08:39:56] <Khyber> I grew up on a farm and ranch.
[08:40:45] <Khyber> slaughtering animals is second nature to me
[08:41:08] <Khyber> sadly, deer season is over with and I didn't get to hunt this year.
[08:41:32] <Khyber> venison++
[08:41:32] <Juggalo> karma - venison: 1
[08:41:58] <keplr> I don't have any problem with people who hunt for self preservation
[08:41:58] <useless> been a while since I've played with venison
[08:42:35] <Khyber> venison chili :)
[08:42:49] <keplr> I see a hierarchy of concern and humans are a the top. I'm lucky enough to live in an affluent society where I can exercise choices and eat only plants and non-harmful animal products
[08:43:23] <useless> did a seared venison strip with bacon, bourbon mustard glaze
[08:43:29] <Khyber> mmmm
[08:43:49] <Khyber> keplr, I'm happy you're able to do such things. More meat for my skinny ass. :D
[08:43:56] <keplr> And I also remember how good meat tasted. I'm not one of those vegetarians who pretend meat isn't good to eat
[08:44:43] <keplr> I'm biologically programmed to enjoy protein, fat, and salt, and yet my higher mental faculties can override these more primitive urges.
[08:45:31] <keplr> Most vegetarians who claim to not enjoy meat are either lying, have forgotten, or are self-deluded.
[08:45:51] <useless> eh, as long as you have enough culinary knowledge to get your nutritional needs, it's all good
[08:46:41] <keplr> I do think it's an ethically superior life choice, but I think that can be expressed without being condescending.
[08:47:20] <useless> though I do get a kick out of the sallow bloated vegans yelling at me that my diet is unhealthy
[08:47:26] <keplr> People who have lived on farms, lived with animals, worked with them and known them, tend to agree
[08:48:03] <nobbis> yes i'm a veg but never try to convince others , its a personal thing
[08:49:03] <keplr> nobbis: I agree in practice, but ethically it's sort of like how can you tolerate a society which allows murder? If you REALLY believe murder is wrong, you can't sit back and allow murder to go unchallenged
[08:49:40] <keplr> Killing higher vertabrates for their flesh is ethically wrong. Full stop.
[08:50:10] <nobbis> agreed but i'm never seen argument convinvce anyone, YMMV
[08:50:21] <keplr> Also true
[08:50:31] <mattie_p> nobbis: no! we must argue forever because there is always a first!
[08:50:44] <nobbis> lol
[08:51:04] <mattie_p> nobbis: AND IF I SHOUT I WIN!
[08:51:19] <nobbis> i get plenty of people telling me not to be veg, which is odd
[08:51:24] <keplr> Arguments are usually about convinging the spectators, not the interlocutor
[08:51:27] <arti> killing animals isn't murder
[08:52:07] <mattie_p> wow, you sure you all don't want to come over to my new #religion channel to talk about this? getting all moral up in here
[08:52:10] <nobbis> keplr: yes and convincing yourself
[08:52:18] <keplr> Only because I'd reserve the word murder to only apply to primates
[08:52:21] <arti> murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
[08:52:27] <arti> keyword being human
[08:53:01] <keplr> Something you'd learn if you studied biology, there's no hard and fast distinction between species
[08:53:17] <nobbis> the sight of nerds taking about relationships shocked me so much, i dont know what to think
[08:53:25] <FoobarBazbot> I thought the word "murder" applied to crows?
[08:53:28] * FoobarBazbot ducks
[08:53:35] <useless> hehehe
[08:53:36] <nobbis> lol
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[08:53:58] <keplr> Would killing a neanderthal be murder? Astralopithicus?
[08:54:20] <arti> would eating a duck be considered drinking?
[08:54:41] <keplr> I'm not sure what that question means
[08:54:45] <useless> arti: the way I cook them up, sometimes
[08:54:50] <arti> useless, mmm
[08:54:54] <useless> mmmm, drunken duck
[08:55:13] <arti> keplr: my point is that you're using the wrong words to convey things
[08:55:19] <arti> murder has a very specific meaning
[08:56:00] <mattie_p> keplr: what about ring species
[08:56:42] * crutchy is cooking pepper steak
[08:56:46] <crutchy> yumm
[08:57:27] <useless> my personal justification (aside from liking the taste) is I've got opposable thumbs and canines
[08:57:45] <MrBluze> i dont like eating plants because they have plant souls
[08:57:48] <nobbis> useless: we can remove those for you
[08:57:56] <arti> i feel better eating more of a plant based diet
[08:58:02] <automation_defense> omg PETA
[08:58:12] <MrBluze> every time i bite on a dirty broccoli it's as though millions of e-coli screamed and were at once silent
[08:58:14] <automation_defense> PETA sucks /end discussion
[08:58:32] <useless> nobbis: nah, I like them where they are
[08:58:41] <Konomi> peta is just nuts and gives any sort of sane movement a bad name -.-
[08:58:50] <crutchy> every time i take a breath god knows what i'm breathing in
[08:58:59] <useless> air
[08:59:00] <arti> crutchy: the matrix tells you it's fresh and good
[08:59:07] <automation_defense> Konomi: peta=fail konomi=win
[08:59:14] <useless> nice
[08:59:15] <nobbis> crutchy: aren;t you near that big fire ?
[08:59:23] <crutchy> why oh why didn't i take the blue pill
[08:59:33] <automation_defense> crutchy: because you're a women
[08:59:38] <automation_defense> woman*
[08:59:49] <automation_defense> omg my english language is going retarded >.>
[08:59:52] <Khyber> Things may be ethically wrong. Nature doesn't give two flying fucks about 'ethics' however and nature can and will kill you in the most painful way possible.
[09:00:12] <automation_defense> Khyber: i think nature will kill you as naturally as possible.... ha
[09:00:18] <automation_defense> decomposition comes to mind.
[09:00:26] <crutchy> the fire commissioner reckons they going to have it out by monday
[09:00:28] <automation_defense> we're out of food chain
[09:00:38] <arti> it's only wrong if it has a face apparently.
[09:00:39] <nobbis> its always by monday
[09:00:39] <useless> it's still going??
[09:00:42] <automation_defense> now we need to master from being decomposed
[09:00:47] <crutchy> yeah
[09:00:51] <useless> jebus
[09:00:52] <automation_defense> anti- matter, here we go
[09:00:58] <crutchy> it will prolly be going for a while yet
[09:01:11] <crutchy> smoke not too bad at least
[09:01:34] <arti> how's the weekend going so far?
[09:01:36] <Khyber> fire?
[09:01:38] <Khyber> SoCal?
[09:01:41] <crutchy> i heard that we can get into the melbourne zoo for free... so poisoning your lungs around here has its perks
[09:01:41] <automation_defense> crutchy: pray for stem cell research
[09:01:48] <automation_defense> then a fresh new pair of lungs for $500
[09:01:58] <automation_defense> people will probably die of cancer though.
[09:02:05] <automation_defense> imo
[09:02:14] <automation_defense> or kidney
[09:02:23] <Khyber> rice cooked, pork baking, corn steaming. Almost dinner time :D
[09:02:46] <automation_defense> what else.. bone marrow transplant
[09:03:02] <crutchy> khyber: https://www.google.com.au
[09:03:37] <Khyber> Hey that's a right nice fire ya got going there
[09:03:41] <arti> whoa
[09:03:45] <crutchy> yeah it's lovely
[09:03:56] <automation_defense> it's like fire-works ^^
[09:03:58] <automation_defense> ha ha ha ha
[09:04:03] <arti> leave, now
[09:04:03] <Khyber> NowI wish I had some mutton shank to roast, looking at that.
[09:04:13] <automation_defense> arti: after i masturbate? ^^
[09:04:18] <crutchy> it's fuel supply is under my house
[09:04:25] <arti> fine, hurry up, face towards keplr
[09:04:25] <crutchy> actually it goes on for miles
[09:04:28] <useless> http://www.abc.net.au
[09:04:34] <useless> wow, you can't win
[09:04:41] <Khyber> lol toxic bacteria
[09:04:42] <crutchy> yeah heard that one on the news
[09:04:42] * arti was just reading that
[09:04:42] <Khyber> on a fire
[09:04:45] <MrBluze> yeah that's a prob .. nasty infections
[09:04:46] <Khyber> not so toxic anymore
[09:05:02] <automation_defense> hey guys
[09:05:10] <automation_defense> we should have a #STEM channel for these stuff ^^
[09:06:21] <automation_defense> ... or not
[09:06:38] <MrBluze> see ya ppl - off to work
[09:06:42] <MrBluze> if it's quiet ill be on
[09:06:44] <MrBluze> ciao
[09:06:44] <useless> later
[09:06:44] <arti> laters MrBluze
[09:06:56] <crutchy> if the fire was in melbourne or sydney it would be front and centre in every news, but we're the arse end of civilization so nobody cares much... except if the power goes out of course :-P
[09:07:02] <crutchy> cya mrbluze
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[09:08:12] <useless> Is the fire at least thining out the drop bear population?
[09:08:24] * useless knows very little about australia
[09:08:50] <arti> maybe check out #bearcave?
[09:09:06] <arti> i recommend dal.net for that though
[09:09:24] <Khyber> lol dalnet
[09:09:25] <useless> oh, good idea! brb
[09:09:34] * useless rushes out the door
[09:09:36] <Khyber> i used to be banned like mad from there
[09:09:58] <Khyber> running 50+ scripts to fuck everyone and their mother up back in the 90s
[09:10:07] * arti misses nick floods
[09:10:22] <Khyber> sneaking on mid-2000s and saying 'startkeylogger' and knocking half a room offline
[09:10:37] <Khyber> thanks to shitty Norton security :D
[09:10:49] <useless> heh
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[09:10:59] <arti> i dealt with some fallout from that piece of software, intercepting contact form submissions
[09:13:19] <useless> that must have been plesant
[09:13:29] <arti> try explaining that to realtors
[09:14:11] <useless> no thank you
[09:14:49] <arti> oh well, it's thankfully in the past
[09:19:43] <crutchy> useless: the fire in east gippsland is probably thinning out a lot of the native fauna
[09:19:50] <crutchy> that's a different fire
[09:21:11] <crutchy> at least if the mine fire thins out the dredger population i might at least get some work out of it
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[09:22:02] <useless> "East Gippsland is the eastern region of Gippsland"
[09:22:04] * crutchy bets there will be a "hazelwood mine fire levy" to help pay for the whole operation
[09:22:09] <useless> Thanks google!
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[09:22:16] <crutchy> useless: that's only a romour
[09:22:17] <crutchy> :-P
[09:22:25] <crutchy> rumour
[09:22:48] <useless> heh
[09:24:13] <crutchy> useless: https://www.google.com.au
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[09:24:51] <useless> can you convicts please stop playing with matches?!?
[09:24:55] <crutchy> https://maps.google.com.au
[09:24:57] <crutchy> lol
[09:25:15] <useless> no wonder the English kicked you pyros out
[09:25:29] <arti> useless: they'll only stop if americans stop eating
[09:26:14] <useless> can't. we have to finish everything on our plates because there are people starving in africa
[09:26:54] <crutchy> mother nature is the worst pyro of all
[09:26:56] <useless> (never understood that logic, mom)
[09:27:42] <arti> useless: what do you call one of those starving persons pooping?
[09:27:56] <arti> a show off.
[09:28:01] <useless> heh
[09:31:07] <crutchy> useless: at least we only start fires in our own country *ducks*
[09:31:24] <arti> i feel i should follow that up with another joke
[09:31:32] <arti> george bush, queen elizabeth and vladimir putin all die and go to hell. while there they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. the devil tells them it is for calling back to earth.
[09:31:36] <crutchy> i left it wide open for you arti
[09:31:41] <arti> putin asks to call russia and talks for 5 minutes. when he was finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so putin writes him a check.
[09:31:49] <arti> next queen elizabeth calls england and talks for 30 minutes. when she finished, the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so queen elizabeth writes him a check.
[09:31:55] <arti> finally george bush gets his turn and talks for four hours. when he was finished the devil informed him that there would be no charge for the call and feel free to call the usa anytime.
[09:32:00] <arti> when putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why bush got to call the usa free. the devil replied
[09:32:04] <arti> since obama became president of the usa the country has gone to hell, so naturally it's a local call
[09:32:14] <useless> heh
[09:32:22] <crutchy> hahaha
[09:32:33] <crutchy> funny but sad too
[09:32:39] <useless> yeah
[09:33:00] <crAckZ> true
[09:33:17] <arti> i had a good laugh at that one too
[09:33:39] <crutchy> i'm so glad i'm not american
[09:33:52] <arti> yeah, me too
[09:34:04] <useless> It's not for everyone
[09:34:20] <arti> you can have your poison land
[09:34:28] <crutchy> you guys are borrowing to pay for everything... and your kids are gonnu get stuck with the bill
[09:34:36] <crutchy> lol
[09:34:41] <arti> baby boomers man
[09:34:53] <crutchy> yeah there are a lot of things that can kill us here in straya
[09:34:56] <arti> going to have their cake and eat it too
[09:35:11] <crutchy> i'm just glad the government isn't real high on that list
[09:36:07] <arti> well that's why you should make it more efficient!
[09:36:21] * arti pops another soma
[09:36:27] <useless> Oh I dont know. Heard of some wacked out nanny state crap that was dreamed up by your parlament
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[09:38:11] <useless> but as long as your govt keeps doing what mine tells you, you'll be fine ;)
[09:38:14] <crutchy> our politicians suck
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[09:38:33] <crutchy> but i think both our major parties are farther right than the US republican party
[09:38:44] <arti> "i'm more right than you!"
[09:38:48] <useless> at least we can both agree, it's the kiwis that are the sheep fuckers
[09:39:20] <crutchy> not right as in right/wrong... our left (labour) party is more conservative than the US conservative party
[09:39:20] <arti> but that land is home of lotr
[09:39:31] <arti> crutchy: every place has issues
[09:39:31] <crutchy> economically anyways
[09:39:57] <useless> oh totally. our "left" is right center, and "right" is slightly beside that
[09:40:12] <crutchy> australia has a housing bubble of sorts
[09:40:22] <arti> sweet!
[09:40:27] <arti> you should make websites for realtors
[09:40:30] <crutchy> our government debt might not be too much out of whack, but private debt is a problem
[09:40:55] <arti> dude, is that steak done
[09:41:09] <crutchy> eaten it already :-)
[09:41:09] * arti sniffs out the food
[09:41:13] <useless> or cities: http://www.eastgippsland.com
[09:41:14] <arti> that's why it smells bad
[09:41:48] <crutchy> useless: now that's a website to be proud of... talk about cut out the bs :-P
[09:42:21] <useless> i prefer to call it "mobile friendly, light bandwidth
[09:42:29] <crutchy> at least its not IIS :-)
[09:42:44] <useless> oh god....flashbacks
[09:43:43] <arti> http://news.netcraft.com
[09:43:58] <arti> nginx is tied with iis
[09:44:12] <arti> nearly, that's kinda sad
[09:44:41] <crutchy> omg in 2007 iis actually got near apache :O
[09:44:42] <useless> hasn't MS pretty muc given up on IIS
[09:44:58] <crutchy> "near" being extremely relative :-P
[09:45:09] <arti> just like they've given up on databases...
[09:45:37] <arti> sql server has some cool features, the licensing is pretty crazy though
[09:46:49] <arti> http://news.netcraft.com
[09:46:57] <arti> red and blue are almost touching
[09:47:17] <arti> isn't that due to godaddy or hostgator using one for the parked pages?
[09:48:09] <useless> one of the big registrars switched, yeah
[09:48:21] <useless> same thing happened for the 06 spike
[09:48:38] <useless> that and that was the year of apache holes, iirc
[09:49:33] <arti> isn't that every year :P
[09:49:41] <crutchy> says that in 5 months IIS gained 10% market share... i smell bullshit
[09:50:04] * arti casually hides the beef jerky
[09:50:08] <crutchy> lol
[09:50:17] <useless> no, it was something like a 6 month stretch where every week or two there was a major exploit
[09:50:20] <useless> hehe
[09:51:07] <crutchy> i doubt in 6 months major websites would have seen news of exploits and thought OMG! we must go to IIS cos apache all of a sudden sucks ass!
[09:51:25] <useless> shared hosting companies
[09:51:27] <arti> idk, you're assuming they're rational
[09:51:45] <arti> "help our servers are melting" management: "moar bonuses!"
[09:51:54] <crutchy> my guess is that even irrational companies don't like spending money like that
[09:51:55] <useless> just one going all panic mode would be enough
[09:52:26] <crutchy> and it would have hit the news more
[09:52:32] <arti> panic mode, like when you drop a cig in the car?
[09:52:37] <useless> we had both already in the racks. just moved the accounts
[09:53:18] <arti> i've seen plenty of operations without hot spares
[09:53:28] <arti> "it's like a lasagne of fail"
[09:53:40] <useless> oh no, we had spares of spares
[09:55:12] <useless> ok, smoke break
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[10:02:25] <MrBluze> hello all, welcome to the graveyard shit
[10:02:28] <MrBluze> +f
[10:02:29] <MrBluze> shift
[10:03:10] <useless> thought it smelled bad
[10:04:30] <crutchy> lol hi mrbluze
[10:04:58] <crutchy> it's only 8pm... not exakery graveyard
[10:05:08] <useless> 4am
[10:05:23] <crutchy> ^that's graveyard
[10:05:33] <Khyber> 1AM here on best coast
[10:06:05] * Khyber gets to software testing
[10:06:23] <crutchy> you guys get the leftovers of the day :-P
[10:06:32] <arti> best coast lol
[10:07:29] <MrBluze> brb again lol
[10:08:10] <Khyber> yep, best coast. I can do busines with the rest of the world here much easier than I can in Central time.
[10:09:20] * Khyber is working with UK and Australia this very second!
[10:09:38] <useless> NSA?
[10:10:08] <Khyber> LOL no way. I'd be more of a threat than Snowden!
[10:11:26] <crutchy> porn?
[10:11:44] <Khyber> I haven't worked that industry in about a year
[10:12:07] <crutchy> were you a stunt cock?
[10:12:09] <crutchy> :-P
[10:12:21] <Khyber> No, I worked the retail side of things :D
[10:12:44] <crutchy> ahh watching fat chicks buy dildos
[10:12:53] <swiss> xlefay doesn't hang out here much anymore
[10:13:19] <crutchy> yeah. sux.
[10:13:33] <crutchy> he was alright
[10:13:44] <crutchy> as in awesome :-)
[10:13:47] <Khyber> no, watching married men sucking dick in the arcade
[10:13:58] <crutchy> ew
[10:14:02] <crutchy> tmi
[10:14:04] <crutchy> :-P
[10:14:09] <Khyber> oh hell it was hilarious
[10:14:17] <Khyber> go walking around downtown the next day, see them with their wife and kids
[10:14:22] <Khyber> they see and recognize me
[10:14:32] <Khyber> eyes go wide and they direct their family the opposite direction
[10:14:43] <useless> heheh
[10:14:46] <Khyber> I just laugh thinking 'Yea, you know I saw you sucking that dick last night.'
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[10:15:48] <Khyber> And of course, I'd see them again the next night.
[10:15:49] <arti> perfect timing
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[10:32:16] <crutchy> i just realised wherre soylent came from
[10:32:47] <automation_defense> nou
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[10:41:19] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Debian, Mint (LMDE), SolydXK, and Tanglu Overview - http://sylnt.us - more-distros-than-I-know-what-to-with
[10:41:59] <Khyber> We should have a SoylentLinux
[10:42:15] <Khyber> Everything must be green, though
[10:42:17] <Konomi> sure but you're fowarding kernel bugs to linus personally
[10:47:03] <Khyber> Bleh.
[10:49:25] <Khyber> I'll let you do that instead since you came up with the idea. That's your project. :D
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[10:54:47] <Konomi> Khyber: why do you think I said you I already have a kernel bug that hard locks the kernel and I'm avoiding reporting it for that reason ;p
[10:55:32] <Khyber> why would you not want to report that? Dun wanna get any flak from Linus?
[10:55:40] <Konomi> or anyone else for that matter
[10:56:03] <Konomi> I'm hoping eventually someone will stand up when I remember to rant about it sometime and convey it for me
[10:56:06] <Konomi> ;p
[10:56:13] <Khyber> So how in the fuck are you managing this hard lock?
[10:56:29] <Konomi> easy
[10:56:32] <Konomi> make a loop device
[10:56:36] <Konomi> use it to mount a swap file
[10:56:38] <Konomi> fill up your memory
[10:56:41] <Konomi> hard lock the end
[10:57:16] <Khyber> lmfao
[10:57:29] <Khyber> that's pretty embarassingly simple
[10:57:31] <Konomi> doesn't do it on a normal swap file or parittion
[10:57:32] <Khyber> no wonder you're not saying shit
[10:57:34] <Konomi> only a loop back one
[10:58:06] <Konomi> I came across it due to being lazy and not want to use a partition for encrypted swap
[10:58:10] <Konomi> which I ended up doing anyway
[11:02:36] <MrBluze> okay im back
[11:02:46] <MrBluze> hello Khyber, Konomi, crutchy
[11:02:51] <crutchy> hi
[11:02:58] <Konomi> hey
[11:03:09] <MrBluze> im trying to get my vpn to work through the corporate network
[11:03:19] <MrBluze> which is a proxy allowing only ports 80 and 443
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[11:03:24] <MrBluze> hi xlefay
[11:03:49] <xlefay> Hi! *continue yawning*
[11:04:03] <xlefay> what's up?
[11:04:04] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[11:04:09] <MrBluze> nommuch :) how u doin
[11:04:11] <crutchy> long time no see L-P
[11:04:14] <xlefay> morning crutchy ;)
[11:04:25] <xlefay> am I missing a day or two?
[11:04:52] <crutchy> irc time is like cat years :-P
[11:05:09] <xlefay> oh right
[11:05:13] * xlefay still waking up
[11:05:29] <crutchy> getting your coffee infusion?
[11:05:50] <xlefay> I ran out of edible caffeine candy
[11:06:19] <xlefay> how are you crutchy?
[11:06:36] <crutchy> i'm ok
[11:07:01] <xlefay> good good
[11:07:19] <xlefay> these cloak requests are getting weirded each day..
[11:07:30] <MrBluze> so does anyone know if it's possible to get a vpn connection, say tcp:443 to go via a proxy server
[11:07:34] <crutchy> lol
[11:07:47] <crutchy> i don't need cloaking
[11:08:20] <xlefay> of course, MrBluze, find your sysadmin and threaten to expose him
[11:08:37] * MrBluze laughs
[11:08:57] <crutchy> do proxies do 443?
[11:09:20] <crutchy> can't imagine proxies would care what the content of the requests they forward consist of
[11:09:27] <xlefay> The real question however, MrBluze should be why all ports besides those are blocked.
[11:09:42] <crutchy> 80 and 443?
[11:09:45] <MrBluze> because people were using skype and so on
[11:09:55] <MrBluze> the network is for regular browsing
[11:10:17] <MrBluze> 80 and 443 is http/https
[11:10:28] <MrBluze> but a vpn tunnel should be able to go through that surely
[11:10:39] <xlefay> Here's another option, ask the sysadmin out to lunch for a few days. Laugh at all the jokes, even the non-funny ones, then at the end of next week, ask him to allow vpns through
[11:10:44] <crutchy> would be typical of companies to block everything but 80 and 443 i guess
[11:11:02] <crutchy> mrbluze: i thought so too
[11:11:36] <xlefay> if the vpn is listening on port 443 or 80 it *may* be possible.. Otherwise, you can set up a VPN on your own server listening on that port, or.. forward things through your server
[11:11:39] <MrBluze> xlefay: to get that through, it'd have to be a banquet on a multi-million dollar yaght in the carribean
[11:11:55] <MrBluze> the vpn listens to any port i want
[11:12:02] <xlefay> Then make it listen on 443... ;)
[11:12:07] <crutchy> xlefay++
[11:12:07] <Juggalo> karma - xlefay: 45
[11:12:10] <MrBluze> i do, and the vpn doesnt connect
[11:12:12] <xlefay> unless they use DPI or what not...
[11:12:26] <xlefay> In which case, you sir, are pretty much fuckt.
[11:12:34] <MrBluze> DPI?
[11:12:37] <crutchy> end points more important than proxy, as long as proxy forwards whatever port the endpoints configured with
[11:12:47] <xlefay> Deep Packet Inspection. Illegal in my country.
[11:12:55] <crutchy> what you trying to connect to mrbluze
[11:12:56] <MrBluze> they might
[11:12:56] <crutchy> ?
[11:13:07] <MrBluze> connect this pc to a vpn via the corporate network
[11:13:08] <xlefay> but SSL should be able to shield most of it.. generally
[11:13:12] <crutchy> chinese prolly use that
[11:13:16] * xlefay never experimented with DPI :[
[11:13:24] <MrBluze> i can get tor to go through
[11:13:27] <MrBluze> easy peasy
[11:13:34] <crutchy> which port?
[11:13:38] <MrBluze> 443
[11:13:46] <MrBluze> cause tor uses ssl
[11:13:48] <xlefay> PM me your VPN IP?
[11:14:02] <xlefay> I'll check if port 443 is listening, if it's not, then that's your problem
[11:14:22] * xlefay notes that VPN normally also use ssl..
[11:14:43] <MrBluze> yeah i have it on udb right now because im using the phone
[11:14:48] <MrBluze> udp
[11:14:52] <crutchy> can also use shieldsup
[11:15:11] <MrBluze> hmm .. i set origin/target ports both to 443
[11:15:24] <crutchy> https://www.grc.com
[11:15:52] <MrBluze> looking
[11:16:12] <xlefay> ok.. MrBluze what exactly are you doing? With PIA I could *never* set which port the vpn could connect to. Setting port forwarding via their app, sure
[11:16:37] <crutchy> he's hacking prism :-P
[11:17:05] <xlefay> you are using openvpn with PIA though right MrBluze?
[11:17:31] <MrBluze> in their ap it has options: connection type (tcp/udp), remote port (443, 110, 80), local port (any), port forwarding, vpn kill switch (buggy dont use), IPV6 leak protection
[11:17:41] <MrBluze> im using the PIA app
[11:17:53] <MrBluze> and then country of choice and all that
[11:17:57] * xlefay notes he never used that app
[11:18:31] <MrBluze> maybe i should try to use openvpn hmm.. ill google and see if ppl can use that via proxy
[11:18:34] <xlefay> Hmm so when you activate it, on port 443 or port 80 via tcp and connect... it just doesn't work?
[11:18:43] <MrBluze> yep
[11:18:46] <xlefay> MrBluze: PIA supports openvpn... I only used just that with them
[11:18:52] <crutchy> why you need proxy mrbluze?
[11:18:57] <xlefay> How are you verifying that it doesn't work?
[11:19:01] <MrBluze> .. but otherwise this vpn gives me better internet axs than i get normally
[11:19:02] <crutchy> sorry not trying to interrogate you
[11:19:09] <MrBluze> xlefay: it just fails to connect
[11:19:24] <MrBluze> crutchy: i want to use the corporate network instead of my crappy phone
[11:19:34] <xlefay> your coorporate network is on swissinet.com?
[11:19:40] <xlefay> corporate*
[11:20:16] <MrBluze> lol nah
[11:20:24] <MrBluze> im via vpn already
[11:20:29] <MrBluze> using phone tethering
[11:20:37] <xlefay> oh
[11:20:42] <xlefay> your on macosx no?
[11:20:51] <MrBluze> yeah thats the host system
[11:20:53] <xlefay> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com
[11:21:07] <xlefay> You'll want to connect from the host system to the VPN, try the openvpn config from pia
[11:21:25] <automation_defense> AirVPN supports openvpn too.... if that doesn't work
[11:21:27] <crutchy> sounds way too hard for me
[11:21:40] <MrBluze> hard = worth trying
[11:21:41] <automation_defense> airvpn has openvpn configs pre-packaged; very easy to use imo
[11:21:47] <automation_defense> hard = life
[11:21:52] <xlefay> automation_defense = hax0rz
[11:21:55] <MrBluze> full bladder = brb
[11:21:57] <automation_defense> and i am... god
[11:22:01] <automation_defense> LOL bluze
[11:22:08] <automation_defense> omg = xlefay
[11:22:20] <xlefay> and here I thought my day was starting well
[11:22:31] <automation_defense> too early in the morning, chill ^^
[11:22:45] <xlefay> crutchy: been up to anything interesting sir?
[11:23:29] <MrBluze> back lol
[11:23:31] <crutchy> automation_defense = hax0rz = Jeremy_Sanders
[11:23:46] <MrBluze> MrBluze = 200g lighter
[11:23:56] <xlefay> jeremy_sanders?
[11:24:03] <automation_defense> MrBluze: airvpn supports openvpn also fyi
[11:24:06] <xlefay> That sounds somewhat malicious
[11:24:11] <crutchy> nah, just bit of housework, looking at my php thinking i should be typing...
[11:24:21] <crutchy> you?
[11:24:23] <automation_defense> unprotected sex is malicious...?
[11:24:23] <MrBluze> okay
[11:24:47] <crutchy> i think i need to give birth to a turd
[11:24:48] <xlefay> oh you know, mostly the same. Still have the weirdest app to write but.. don't really feel like it
[11:25:01] <crutchy> weirdest app?
[11:25:20] <MrBluze> tunnelblick?
[11:25:24] <automation_defense> MrBluze: yes
[11:25:29] <crutchy> not another fart button
[11:25:32] <automation_defense> i use that bitch and she fucks good
[11:25:45] <crutchy> there he goes
[11:25:45] <automation_defense> in a nutshell...
[11:25:49] <MrBluze> nice
[11:25:51] <xlefay> Yeah.. like multi user wordpress but then for women that are pregnant and their partners to keep a blog, photo album, etc.. eventually they'd get a book with all that stuff home
[11:25:53] <xlefay> it's weird
[11:25:55] <MrBluze> she got a nice tunnel methinks
[11:25:59] <automation_defense> xlefay: lmao
[11:26:07] <automation_defense> MrBluze: yes, the path is clear ^^
[11:26:14] <crutchy> wow... that's different
[11:26:25] <crutchy> sounds good though
[11:26:26] <xlefay> automation_defense: seriously dude, be nice.
[11:26:32] <MrBluze> but i think i have to manually switch of ipv6?
[11:26:44] <xlefay> crutchy: I came up with it myself but my designer bailed on me so I gotta design it myself too...
[11:26:49] <crutchy> i remember when i was pregnant, my wife and i were all into that stuff
[11:26:49] <automation_defense> xlefay: i trim my nails.... im aiight
[11:26:51] * xlefay knows this is going to be a gold mine.
[11:27:18] <automation_defense> crutchy: you were preggy but you had a wife? what o_o
[11:27:21] <crutchy> guys always get all coochicoo when their missus is preggers
[11:27:24] <crutchy> lol
[11:27:46] <xlefay> crutchy: exactly why, besides me making money, people will like it - they'll be able to document their lives while pregnant and afterwards, the first few years of their kid(s) life.
[11:27:47] <MrBluze> did anyone hear/read transcript/see Snowden's chat with the EU parliament or whatever it was?
[11:27:55] <MrBluze> from yesterday?
[11:28:02] <xlefay> after a while, they'll get an entire book with photo's, blog posts, etc.. everything they made ;)
[11:28:05] <automation_defense> MrBluze: soylent material?
[11:28:13] <MrBluze> it's pretty soylent
[11:28:15] <crutchy> that's what couples always try to do, so if you can make that easier people will want to use it :-)
[11:28:31] <xlefay> exactly
[11:28:43] <MrBluze> ... NSA had a taskforce to bully parliamentarians into pushing lax privacy laws through
[11:28:52] <MrBluze> across europe etc
[11:29:06] <crutchy> i wanna see the NSA try to fuck up Russia
[11:29:17] <crutchy> that would be fun to watch
[11:29:20] <automation_defense> o_o whoa where's the european convention on human rights in this motherfucker?
[11:29:25] <xlefay> What I want is word peace but your suggestions are more likely
[11:29:38] <xlefay> s/word/world/
[11:29:38] <SedBot> <xlefay> What I want is world peace but your suggestions are more likely
[11:29:45] <automation_defense> crutchy: russia already sending cyber attacks to ukraine.... we'll see hehe
[11:30:09] <MrBluze> russia has taken a different approach to intelligence, so they have the upper hand in many respects
[11:30:21] <automation_defense> with an uppity dick
[11:30:30] <crutchy> xlefay: i'm so glad i live in the arse end of the world for that very reason. i would hate to be anywhere in the northern hemisphere lately
[11:30:31] <automation_defense> that crimea just sat on
[11:30:41] * MrBluze agrees lol
[11:30:54] <MrBluze> im in the arse end of the arse end
[11:30:58] <crutchy> russia plays their cards close to their chest
[11:31:04] <crutchy> lol mrbluze
[11:31:15] <xlefay> I don't care about that stuff anymore, it's always the same. People die anyway.
[11:31:20] <MrBluze> russia had the collapse of teh soviet union planned since the 1970's
[11:31:21] <crutchy> america just bares its ass for everyone else to fuck
[11:31:40] <xlefay> And russia has way to much viagra.
[11:31:42] <automation_defense> xlefay: >.> that's why i call for european convention on Human Rights to do something about it at least :/
[11:31:51] <crutchy> xlefay: if i were more affected by it i would care more. i'm just glad the most i see is on the news
[11:32:08] <crutchy> euro ain't gonnu do shit auto_def
[11:32:12] <automation_defense> i had a friend in slovakia, told him to stay the fuck away lmao
[11:32:14] <crutchy> they just make it worse
[11:32:19] <automation_defense> crutchy: then who else :/
[11:32:31] <automation_defense> thought the convention was formed to prevent future sufferings besdies ww2
[11:32:32] <xlefay> Mind you, russia doesn't fall under the EU. Not sure about Ukraine though.
[11:32:35] <MrBluze> ppl dont like to believe this, but the US will only realise they have been stabbed by Russia when the blade starts poking out of their mouth from inside
[11:32:38] <automation_defense> oh. russia. sigh
[11:32:45] <automation_defense> still, russia has bitches in europe
[11:32:49] <crutchy> russia is going to own crimea one way or another
[11:33:06] <crutchy> whever else gets fucked in the process will bring it on themselves
[11:33:11] <xlefay> Man, the EU doesn't owe anyone squat, we've got enough problems of our own to deal with
[11:33:37] <automation_defense> MrBluze: thought US betraed Russia diplomatically a lot
[11:33:51] <automation_defense> even after USSR fell, US didn't comply to us/russia agreements i've read a bit
[11:33:51] <crutchy> US betrays everyone
[11:33:54] <automation_defense> >.>
[11:33:59] <automation_defense> why do we give such a bad impression T_T
[11:34:04] <xlefay> I'm just glad they all got nukes
[11:34:21] <crutchy> yeah this time USA will tread carefully at least
[11:34:26] <MrBluze> the main failing of EU and US is immoral conduct by govt towards its own ppl and on the international stage .. if they had upheld the moral code they preach, there'd be no problem
[11:34:39] <automation_defense> crutchy: this time we're using nukes as dildos, taking it easy
[11:34:40] <xlefay> MrBluze: woa, be careful there
[11:34:47] <xlefay> the EU and the US are two entirely different things
[11:34:54] <automation_defense> MrBluze: yes :p
[11:34:56] <xlefay> the US is a country, the EU a continent with an union
[11:35:03] <crutchy> Russia doesn't listen to EU or US or anyone. that's why US and euro have no idea what to do
[11:35:17] <MrBluze> the EU is an unelected government that parasitizes off the elected governments of europe
[11:35:27] <automation_defense> crutchy: us/euro just sleeps with each other duh
[11:35:27] <crutchy> EU and US are political powers
[11:35:34] <xlefay> MrBluze: disagree with that one.
[11:35:49] <xlefay> The eu govt is elected by member states last I checked
[11:35:52] <MrBluze> xlefay: .. the size of the EU governance body is HUGE .. who did u vote for on it?
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[11:36:04] <MrBluze> yeah .. member states = not democracy because it's not 'the people'
[11:36:05] * xlefay notes he doesn't vote at all.
[11:36:20] <MrBluze> it's all tricksy hobbitses stuff
[11:36:26] <xlefay> I don't believe that we live in an actual democracy anyway, but least people vote sometimes
[11:36:28] <crutchy> Russia kinda owns euro as well... through control over gas
[11:36:39] <automation_defense> crutchy: this, so important
[11:36:56] <xlefay> To be honest, I'm more scared of the UN than the EU.
[11:36:57] <automation_defense> xlefay: scary fact?
[11:37:07] <automation_defense> because UN has a history of not doing so well
[11:37:23] <automation_defense> (serious)
[11:37:24] <Konomi> un is useless
[11:37:28] <xlefay> then again I do feel sorry for the US
[11:37:30] <Konomi> no offense useless ;_;
[11:37:31] <MrBluze> EU is failing anyway
[11:37:34] <crutchy> Russia as a veto power will nullify UN
[11:37:35] <automation_defense> can't even divide a country by half? fuck you UN
[11:37:41] <automation_defense> (talking about israel)
[11:37:41] <MrBluze> thats why it's not such a worry at the moment
[11:38:01] <xlefay> Israel should be glad the US has their backs though
[11:38:08] <xlefay> otherwise they would all be dead already
[11:38:24] <automation_defense> thought snowden revealed that US gave citizen infos to Israel?
[11:38:32] <automation_defense> gov't exchanging info for some weird reason
[11:38:34] <MrBluze> well what i cant work out is
[11:38:36] <crutchy> Israel is still having a tough time keeping the the Arab world at bay
[11:38:45] <MrBluze> who has who's hand up who's arse.. out of those two countries
[11:38:45] <xlefay> crutchy: if only they could move!
[11:38:59] <xlefay> MrBluze: I think they're sharing both hands and ass
[11:39:03] <automation_defense> crutchy: saudi arabia trains young people to go suicide-bomb missions to the west.... yeah religious war
[11:39:28] <automation_defense> reason why the teacher demonstrated suicide-bomb and killed students... that story
[11:39:30] <crutchy> i don't care much for the entire middle east... nobody would care if if it weren't for oil
[11:39:36] <xlefay> Konomi: Mornin'
[11:39:40] <Konomi> hey ^^
[11:39:46] <automation_defense> too bad we treat people like shit, even the ones we do business with
[11:39:58] <xlefay> automation_defense: scrap the ", even the ones we do business with"
[11:40:09] <xlefay> we simply treat people, like shit. That's all
[11:40:13] <automation_defense> oh :p
[11:40:22] <automation_defense> at least rich people don't hate each other, just saying
[11:40:31] <xlefay> Sure they do
[11:40:38] <automation_defense> unless they're in competition..
[11:40:49] <xlefay> They hate the next person who has more money and is more powerful
[11:41:02] <crutchy> china and russia will keep the US in check in future i think
[11:41:07] <automation_defense> well everyone has their "im good at this and you aren't" field
[11:41:11] <MrBluze> actually full stomach = less fighting
[11:41:15] <MrBluze> so rich ppl fight less
[11:41:21] <automation_defense> MrBluze: why are you not a politician
[11:41:26] <xlefay> In all fairness, the US has done a lot of good in the world.. sure also bad
[11:41:35] <MrBluze> cause i dont want to be dead
[11:41:42] <crutchy> the US takes a lot of credit
[11:41:53] <crutchy> there are good people in the US, no doubt
[11:42:01] <automation_defense> xlefay: i thought you read arti's joke earlier
[11:42:07] <xlefay> automation_defense: which one?
[11:42:11] <automation_defense> 00:31
[11:42:11] <MrBluze> most ppl are good, but because of the system of govt that exists, none of those ppl can be in power
[11:42:13] <xlefay> I haven't seen arti talk today
[11:42:19] <automation_defense> nvm, check this out then ^^
[11:42:28] <crutchy> mrbluze: it's a real shame
[11:42:33] <automation_defense> credit: arti
[11:42:52] <automation_defense> 00:31 <arti> george bush, queen elizabeth and vladimir putin all die and go to hell. while there they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. the devil tells them it is for calling back to earth.
[11:42:52] <automation_defense> 00:31 <arti> putin asks to call russia and talks for 5 minutes. when he was finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so putin writes him a check.
[11:42:53] <automation_defense> 00:31 <arti> next queen elizabeth calls england and talks for 30 minutes. when she finished, the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so queen elizabeth writes him a check.
[11:42:53] <automation_defense> 00:31 <arti> finally george bush gets his turn and talks for four hours. when he was finished the devil informed him that there would be no charge for the call and feel free to call the usa anytime.
[11:42:53] <automation_defense> 00:32 <arti> when putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why bush got to call the usa free. the devil replied
[11:42:53] <automation_defense> 00:32 <arti> since obama became president of the usa the country has gone to hell, so naturally it's a local call
[11:42:58] <xlefay> Konomi: get that ram yet?
[11:43:06] <xlefay> automation_defense: tl;dr what's the summary?
[11:43:23] <Konomi> no it comes next week urk ;'_;
[11:43:24] <crutchy> i was a ron paul supporter (even though i'm from australia). it was a shame he didn't get into office. could have made a real difference
[11:43:39] <automation_defense> crutchy: mhm, sucks to legit :/
[11:43:44] <xlefay> Figured it'd be there already. That sucks big time.
[11:44:05] <xlefay> crutchy: generally I thought he was too good to be true.
[11:44:13] <MrBluze> lol
[11:44:21] <xlefay> Then again, so was Obama and see how often he breaks his word
[11:44:34] <MrBluze> ron paul is a george soros guy i think
[11:44:37] <crutchy> i don't think RP would have broken his word
[11:44:46] <crutchy> the establishment didn't control him
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[11:45:02] <MrBluze> there's big money behind all of them, just not always clear which big money
[11:45:06] <xlefay> Damnit, another user losing a terminal. What is this world coming to?!
[11:45:06] <crutchy> not even his own party controlled him
[11:45:10] <automation_defense> opensecrets.org
[11:45:22] <MrBluze> yes, there's that
[11:45:37] <MrBluze> who is behind bitcoin i'd like to know
[11:45:47] <MrBluze> the russians give it a lot of credence
[11:45:47] <xlefay> MrBluze: wasn't that revealed some time ago?
[11:46:00] <automation_defense> xlefay: it was a guy who did defense contractor work
[11:46:03] <xlefay> Honestly though, in the end it's all meaningless anyway.
[11:46:06] <MrBluze> afaik most of the stakeholders are still anonymous
[11:46:10] <automation_defense> his real name is the one he revealed
[11:46:27] * xlefay notes he himself doesn't give a crap about bitcoin
[11:46:29] <automation_defense> can't spell japanese -_- my bad
[11:46:44] <crutchy> bitcoin = fad
[11:46:49] <MrBluze> i don't either, its a ponzi - but it's a political tool
[11:46:54] <automation_defense> crutchy: and dogecoin isn't? ^^
[11:46:59] <crutchy> mrbluze++
[11:46:59] <Juggalo> karma - mrbluze: 9
[11:47:06] <MrBluze> hence it's relevant
[11:47:08] <xlefay> Juggalo: ?
[11:47:26] <xlefay> That name's weird
[11:47:34] <crutchy> all digital currencies backed by nothing are ponzis
[11:47:46] <xlefay> And the regular currencies are not?
[11:47:51] <automation_defense> i thought cryptos exist b/c people back it... i guess ^^
[11:48:05] <automation_defense> cash handled by gov't
[11:48:14] <automation_defense> interesting if we think about it
[11:48:15] <xlefay> In the end, someone gets richer and someone else gets poorer so w/e
[11:48:33] <crutchy> regular fiat currencies are backed by nothing too and they will eventually fail
[11:48:36] <automation_defense> xlefay: businesses have a buy-low and sell-high model; it's not just cryptos
[11:48:49] <automation_defense> i don't blame em; just try not to get ripped off ^^
[11:48:58] <crutchy> the only advantage normal currencies have over bitcoin is that governments force us to partake in them so they last longer
[11:49:10] <xlefay> I'm just going to wait till we finally get to a ST utopia, even though that's probably never going to happen in my lifetime.
[11:49:39] * xlefay waits for someone to kill that dream.
[11:49:42] <automation_defense> crutchy: bigger problem; governments now need to partake on each other
[11:49:55] <crutchy> "partake on each other"?
[11:49:59] <crutchy> sounds kinky
[11:50:04] <automation_defense> with their value of their currency
[11:50:06] <automation_defense> zomg ~_~
[11:50:20] <xlefay> LOL
[11:50:28] <crutchy> currency exchanges are basically casinos
[11:50:31] <automation_defense> xlefay: see, you're not the only pervert
[11:50:41] <xlefay> automation_defense: heh, why am I a pervert?
[11:50:43] <automation_defense> crutchy: omg LOL only if more people knows this.
[11:50:56] <xlefay> You're the one who refers to women as bitches, etc.
[11:51:12] <automation_defense> lmao; guys can be bitches
[11:51:22] <automation_defense> in fact, guys are called bitches more than women
[11:51:36] <xlefay> doesn't make it right ;)
[11:51:48] <automation_defense> so what do we call homosexuals.... gay? just no
[11:51:53] <automation_defense> ./end discussion
[11:52:02] <xlefay> how about 'people' ? :)
[11:52:21] <automation_defense> i like anything that works ^^
[11:52:35] <automation_defense> fine, your irc so your rules
[11:53:28] <xlefay> so how about bonds?
[11:53:35] <MrBluze> ok bbak testing
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[11:54:29] <xlefay> crutchy: want to wager whether it'll work or not?
[11:54:54] <crutchy> whether bonds will work?
[11:55:03] <xlefay> Bluze's vpn
[11:55:09] <crutchy> lol
[11:55:16] <crutchy> erm i'll wager... no
[11:55:19] <xlefay> Someone mentioned casino's damn.
[11:55:20] <crutchy> :-P
[11:55:29] * xlefay was thinking of simple karma but ok :p
[11:55:43] <crutchy> mrbluze_vpm--
[11:55:43] <Juggalo> karma - mrbluze_vpm: -1
[11:55:49] <crutchy> mrbluze_vpn--
[11:55:49] <Juggalo> karma - mrbluze_vpn: -1
[11:55:57] <crutchy> finger_trouble--
[11:55:57] <Juggalo> karma - finger_trouble: -1
[11:57:05] <crutchy> the suspense is killing me
[11:57:09] <xlefay> me too
[11:57:56] <xlefay> if (vpn_connected()) { block('irc'); } ? :P
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[11:58:31] <xlefay> it don't work
[11:58:39] <xlefay> :[
[11:58:57] <xlefay> MrBluze: did you check your system's logs?
[11:59:08] <xlefay> (did you, confirm it to be working from, say home?)
[11:59:33] <MrBluze> im using the tunnel now
[11:59:40] <MrBluze> it says swissnet, that's right
[11:59:52] <crutchy> woohoo it worked
[11:59:53] <xlefay> That's the phone connection right
[12:00:12] <MrBluze> no it's the vpn ;)
[12:00:16] <MrBluze> but im stil through the phone
[12:00:24] <crutchy> doh!
[12:00:35] <MrBluze> but it's openvpn now instead of the app
[12:00:35] <xlefay> Yes, so it doesn't work on your mac yet?
[12:00:42] <MrBluze> this is on the mac
[12:00:52] <MrBluze> next thing is to get it to go through the proxy (reading google)
[12:00:59] <xlefay> [03/08/14 12:00:16] <MrBluze> but im stil through the phone | [03/08/14 12:00:41] <MrBluze> this is on the mac
[12:01:02] <xlefay> that's confusing..
[12:01:18] <crutchy> connected via tether on his phone
[12:01:22] <crutchy> prolly 3g
[12:01:26] <xlefay> The VPN on the local macosx, doesn't work right?
[12:01:26] <crutchy> ?
[12:01:35] <xlefay> crutchy: that's how it was before he disconnected iirc
[12:01:45] <xlefay> I thought MrBluze was going to try from his mac directly?
[12:01:47] <MrBluze> 4g but yeah
[12:02:09] <MrBluze> mac --> vpn ---> phone --> interwebs --> vpn --> here
[12:02:15] <crutchy> i got a 4g phone but rarely get 4g out where i am :-(
[12:02:23] <xlefay> that's ehm.. not very handy MrBluze
[12:03:02] <MrBluze> it's ok, i just cant do bucketloads of traffic otherwise i max out
[12:03:03] <crutchy> here is soylent vpn?
[12:03:19] <xlefay> MrBluze: is the VPN to get on IRC?
[12:03:58] <crutchy> who has the vpn next to "here"?
[12:04:08] <xlefay> I think he means IRC by 'here'
[12:04:17] <crutchy> yeah
[12:04:25] <xlefay> not quite sure how the interwebs connects to a vpn though
[12:04:32] <xlefay> think that's "though the internet"
[12:04:34] <crutchy> do you have vpn set up xlefay?
[12:04:36] <xlefay> like dat cloud!
[12:04:47] <xlefay> I simply us PIA, MrBluze uses them now too
[12:05:45] <crutchy> mrbluze just needs to get off telstra
[12:05:50] <crutchy> that's his woes
[12:06:21] <MrBluze> lol
[12:06:24] <xlefay> !todo ask MJ to remove the round robin for IRC.
[12:06:24] <Juggalo> todo item 1 added
[12:06:27] <MrBluze> im nearly there
[12:06:48] <MrBluze> brb
[12:06:50] <xlefay> MrBluze: a simple test to see if you could even get through your work's firewall is to connect to WiFi then try to VPN out
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[12:06:57] <crutchy> round robin dns?
[12:07:02] <xlefay> yea
[12:07:16] <crutchy> how many servers?
[12:07:20] <xlefay> I'm going to drop the second server, it's barely in use so no point in paying for it
[12:07:36] <xlefay> 2 atm, I set up the second since some were getting some packet loss along the way
[12:08:40] <xlefay> [03/08/14 12:08:32] [Users] Current users on irc.web-refinery.com: 12, max 21.
[12:08:57] <xlefay> everyone else connects to my other server anyway so, very little justification for the second one ;)
[12:09:46] <crutchy> is it just at your home?
[12:09:50] <xlefay> no
[12:09:56] <crutchy> shared host?
[12:10:00] <xlefay> No
[12:10:03] <crutchy> lol
[12:10:11] * crutchy feeling stupid
[12:10:18] <xlefay> One is in Germany (my dedi); another one is a VPS in Amsterdam (Netherlands)
[12:10:29] <xlefay> the VPS is gonna go
[12:11:13] <crutchy> the dedicated is a high bandwidth i guess
[12:11:53] <crutchy> not like my measly 1 mbps upload :-P
[12:12:08] <xlefay> ns1 would kill your upload lol :p
[12:12:28] <crutchy> what kind of load you getting?
[12:12:57] <xlefay> Not much at the moment, when all this IRC stuff is moved out I'm going to reinstall the server to hosts Virtual Machines and crap
[12:13:27] <xlefay> w: 12:13:11 up 88 days, 19:31, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.27, 0.21 | I can share you some graphs of bandwidth and crap if you like
[12:13:50] <crutchy> haha nah it's ok
[12:13:59] <crutchy> is those figures gbps?
[12:14:21] <crutchy> or mbps?
[12:14:33] <crutchy> sorry i'm not much of a server guy
[12:15:04] <crutchy> just a curious tinkerer :-P
[12:15:48] <xlefay> a simple "traffic" graph might give a better indication: http://www.imgdumper.nl
[12:15:54] <crutchy> i have a lamp box serving an intranet on my desk at work, and i host my wife's small business website... that's about it
[12:16:13] <xlefay> The bandwidth graph of munin does bits per second but it looks weird
[12:16:39] <crutchy> ahh it's in raw data throughput
[12:16:44] <crutchy> never seen it like that before
[12:17:11] <crutchy> 2Gb in a day seems like a lot though
[12:18:04] <xlefay> http://www.imgdumper.nl
[12:18:10] <xlefay> for traffic? not really, no
[12:18:11] <xlefay> it's light
[12:18:50] <crutchy> holy carp... 400 mbps!
[12:19:02] <crutchy> that's a fiber connection
[12:20:24] <crutchy> i was really kinda hoping to get the NBN rollout in my area (ftth) but not sure if it will happen now
[12:20:53] <crutchy> i think that would have got us maybe 25 mbps
[12:20:57] <crutchy> down
[12:21:01] <crutchy> not sure about up
[12:21:24] <xlefay> http://www.hetzner.de that's the little beast
[12:21:46] <crutchy> i guess big datacenters on trunk fiber can get pretty high bandwidths in the gbps range
[12:22:36] <crutchy> 570 gbps!
[12:22:51] <crutchy> wonder how far that goes though
[12:23:27] <xlefay> not sure, I just like showing of the speed >.<
[12:23:51] <crutchy> even if it only gets to the nearest city, that's still pretty quick :-)
[12:23:58] <Popeidol> tjat
[12:24:01] <Popeidol> that
[12:24:04] <Popeidol> is depressing
[12:24:09] <crutchy> lol yeah
[12:24:30] <xlefay> how so? xD
[12:24:36] <crutchy> you in straya too aren't you pope?
[12:24:39] <Popeidol> yes indeed
[12:24:54] <Popeidol> on an exciting 3.8mb/s DSL connection that is the absolute best I can get in this very urban area
[12:24:55] <crutchy> what can we can in a dedicated host?
[12:25:09] <crutchy> a couple of hundred mbps
[12:25:10] <xlefay> DSL sucks big time tho :/
[12:25:13] <Popeidol> crutchy: we can get some pretty good dedicated hosts and VMs, but they cost a lot
[12:25:19] <crutchy> mkay
[12:25:21] <Popeidol> bulletproof hosting for instance
[12:25:37] <crutchy> prolly only to cities in asia though
[12:25:52] <Popeidol> yeah, australia has great internet backbone...between some capital cities
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[12:26:10] <MrBluze> :[)
[12:26:13] <crutchy> would have to drop off to sat connections to get to the states and euro
[12:26:18] <Popeidol> as soon as you leave the country, speed--
[12:26:29] <MrBluze> i should be .nl
[12:26:37] <crutchy> are there fibers to south east asia?
[12:26:44] <Popeidol> crutchy: there certainly are
[12:26:59] <crutchy> so should be good to say hong kong and singapore
[12:27:23] <crutchy> from then on it would prolly get aweful crowded
[12:27:24] <xlefay> MrBluze: yes you are
[12:27:25] <Popeidol> http://www.submarinecablemap.com
[12:27:30] <MrBluze> its working
[12:28:29] * MrBluze switches his phone wifi off
[12:28:37] <crutchy> woohoo!
[12:28:45] <MrBluze> yeah nice
[12:29:38] <crutchy> http://www.submarinecablemap.com
[12:29:46] <crutchy> fornication... that is a long cable!
[12:29:58] <crutchy> well, cable route
[12:30:28] <MrBluze> well this was a worthwhile experiment
[12:30:37] <MrBluze> now i can use my regular email clients etc at work
[12:30:38] <crutchy> tinkering is fun
[12:30:44] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - WRCCDC Qualifiers - A Blue Teamer's Review - http://sylnt.us - we've-all-got-start-somewhere
[12:30:52] <MrBluze> and skype, and whatever the hell i want
[12:30:54] <Popeidol> MrBluze: what have you been trying out?
[12:31:03] <MrBluze> vpn via corporate proxy
[12:31:32] <crutchy> he's trying to leech his boss' internet :-P
[12:31:44] * MrBluze grins
[12:31:49] <Popeidol> oh nice
[12:31:51] <Popeidol> nothing wrong with that
[12:32:01] <MrBluze> i can't do a 100gb transfer, they will cut me off
[12:32:01] <crutchy> well, not trying... succeeding :-)
[12:32:13] <MrBluze> but if i generate a bit of traffic it wont get above the radar
[12:32:17] <Popeidol> I occasionally take advantage of the 8mb/8mb office connection on weekends
[12:32:18] <crutchy> oh hang on... aren't i paying for that :-P
[12:32:28] * xlefay shamefully shares: http://www.speedtest.net
[12:32:52] <MrBluze> im doing speedtest now
[12:32:56] <crutchy> fuck me drunk over a barstool sideways
[12:33:08] * crutchy keeps his speedtest results to himself
[12:34:19] <crutchy> is your home internet pretty decent xlefay?
[12:34:27] <MrBluze> 7mbps .. ah thats ok
[12:34:31] <MrBluze> they throttle everything
[12:34:32] <Popeidol> xlefay: why are you making us hate you
[12:34:35] <crutchy> lol
[12:34:52] <crutchy> that's his server host
[12:35:12] <Popeidol> I'm pretty sure I can only get a fraction of that on my VPS's
[12:35:23] <xlefay> crutchy: home: http://www.speedtest.net
[12:35:34] <Popeidol> but I also target only the incredibly cheap variety of VPS, so that's not surprising
[12:35:46] <crutchy> you got ftth xlefay?
[12:35:55] * MrBluze is happy
[12:36:01] <crutchy> looks like a fiber connection
[12:36:02] <xlefay> no that's cable @ home
[12:36:07] <crutchy> cable wow!
[12:36:15] <crutchy> as in adsl?
[12:36:20] <xlefay> no, not adsl
[12:37:01] <crutchy> i'm not familiar with cable internet
[12:37:03] <xlefay> They haven't rolled out fiber in my little town just yet :'(
[12:37:07] <MrBluze> crutchy: ... NBN
[12:37:14] <crutchy> yeah i wish mrbluze
[12:37:19] <MrBluze> well cable was in much of melbourne
[12:37:22] <MrBluze> optus
[12:37:27] <crutchy> we won't get 100+ mbps even with nbn
[12:37:38] <MrBluze> i know, this country is a joke
[12:37:46] <MrBluze> we are floating on a sea of oil and precious rocks
[12:37:46] <xlefay> Not sure how it's called in English though, here it's just called cable
[12:37:51] <MrBluze> and we can't get freakin fibre to the home
[12:38:22] <MrBluze> we have the most pathetic corrupt politicians u can imagine
[12:38:23] <crutchy> problem is straya too damn big
[12:38:30] <MrBluze> too damn corrupt
[12:38:37] <crutchy> euro countries much smaller so infrastructure is cheaper
[12:38:48] <MrBluze> euro countries more educated
[12:38:51] <MrBluze> ppl arent such fools
[12:38:59] * xlefay notes we do have one of the biggest IX's in Amsterdam...
[12:38:59] <Popeidol> crutchy: we actually have a crazy urban population though
[12:39:04] <crutchy> nah euro is in deep shit financially
[12:39:11] <xlefay> crutchy: not as much as the US though
[12:39:15] <xlefay> we pride ourselves on that one
[12:39:19] <MrBluze> nah, euro is ok -
[12:39:21] <crutchy> definitely
[12:39:29] <MrBluze> europe has 1. food, 2. brains, 3. resources
[12:39:36] <crutchy> usa in the economic caboose as peter schiff puts it
[12:39:37] <MrBluze> the finance is just a facade
[12:39:40] <xlefay> #2 is often debatable
[12:39:49] <MrBluze> xlefay: compare it to elsewhere, it does
[12:39:57] <MrBluze> germany kicks arse on education
[12:40:01] <Popeidol> on average, most of europe tends to be run by fairly sensible people
[12:40:10] <Popeidol> Australia has done alright on that front too, for the most part
[12:40:10] <crutchy> euro has culture, history and high population density
[12:40:14] <MrBluze> and thats not even the top in europe
[12:40:25] <MrBluze> australia has done, but now illiteracy is skyrocketing
[12:40:27] <Popeidol> the current guy is definitely not a great example
[12:40:36] <crutchy> a lot of educated australians go to europe to work
[12:40:41] <MrBluze> education is bottom rung on people's career choices
[12:40:41] <xlefay> Popeidol: "current guy"?
[12:41:00] <Popeidol> xlefay: Tony Abbott.
[12:41:02] <crutchy> i think he's talking about abbott
[12:41:08] <xlefay> MrBluze: our educational system definitely is getting fuckt up here in NL.
[12:41:13] <xlefay> aah.. never heard of 'm
[12:41:20] <Popeidol> xlefay: he got in on the basis of 'everybody hates the other guys, I'm going to just stay quiet and hope nobody realises I'm here until it's too late'
[12:41:25] <crutchy> i don't care much for abbott, but i care even less for lthe labour party
[12:41:47] <crutchy> popeidol: yeah definitely
[12:41:55] <xlefay> in AU, I'm guessing?
[12:42:01] <crutchy> yup
[12:42:12] <crutchy> labour fucked up big time in a few ways
[12:42:12] <Popeidol> the thing that annoys me about abbott is he absolutely refuses to change position for new evidence
[12:42:31] <crutchy> on what issue pope?
[12:42:38] <MrBluze> xlefay: we got a lot to blab on about over a beer methinks
[12:42:39] <xlefay> "pope" hah
[12:42:42] * crutchy is interested
[12:42:43] <Popeidol> crutchy: the NBN is one that is close to my heart obviously
[12:42:47] <xlefay> MrBluze: when are you coming again?
[12:42:50] <crutchy> yeah same here
[12:42:58] <MrBluze> end of may
[12:43:00] <crutchy> i can sorta see why though
[12:43:08] <xlefay> ~2 months
[12:43:12] <crutchy> the cost of the NBN was blowing up into the stratosphere
[12:43:22] <MrBluze> yep .. who knows i might still be on this project by then
[12:43:24] <Popeidol> the NBN review pretty much said 'yeah mistakes have been made but with these changes FTTH is probably still the best option'
[12:43:30] <Popeidol> and they've pretty much ignored the review
[12:43:31] <crutchy> it seemed like a racket to me
[12:43:37] <MrBluze> NBN is a good idea
[12:43:39] <MrBluze> a GOOD idea
[12:43:45] <crutchy> it is a good idea
[12:43:46] <xlefay> MrBluze: Project being SN?
[12:43:52] <crutchy> but it was poorly managed
[12:43:53] <MrBluze> yeah SN
[12:44:00] <xlefay> I'm sure you will ;)
[12:44:09] <MrBluze> ... well the government we had couldnt organize a root in a brothel
[12:44:13] <Popeidol> crutchy: I agree, and frankly the contractor model they went with needs to be fixed
[12:44:21] <Popeidol> also the fact they didn't use telstra for any contracting work is just plain stupid
[12:44:25] <MrBluze> mind u there was that one guy who organized quiet a few on teh union card
[12:44:41] <MrBluze> ah they let telstra sabotage it all
[12:44:45] <MrBluze> idiots
[12:44:52] <xlefay> Konomi: wasn't telstra the one with the handy infrastructure?
[12:45:23] <Popeidol> xlefay: they had to use telstras infrastructure, but they didn't employ them to do any actual cable runs
[12:45:45] <xlefay> Popeidol: I recall a funny photo Konomi shared that showed just how competent Telstra is/was
[12:46:01] <Popeidol> xlefay: go on
[12:46:13] <xlefay> I'm looking for the picture, only way to explain it properly!
[12:46:27] <xlefay> http://imgur.com >.>
[12:46:36] <Popeidol> telstra actually went and fibre'd up a whole town just to prove a point to the NBN company when they were being considered
[12:47:06] <Popeidol> ahaha
[12:47:14] <Popeidol> that's clearly the work of telstra
[12:47:20] <xlefay> I find the yellow thing absolutely awesome
[12:48:00] <Popeidol> xlefay: I think they took a clothes-drying rack and painted it
[12:48:02] <Konomi> it was one where they put the cable over the foot path and left it there
[12:48:16] <MrBluze> lol
[12:48:25] <crutchy> telstra is a joke, but they are everywhere
[12:48:41] <xlefay> fortunately not here tho ;)
[12:48:59] <xlefay> Popeidol++ was looking for the right words, exactly what I thought!
[12:49:00] <Juggalo> karma - popeidol: 2
[12:49:10] <crutchy> xlefay: telstra used to be the national telco owned by the government before it was sold (not that it was any better under the government)
[12:49:19] <Popeidol> crutchy: they're annoyingly competent right now as a whole
[12:49:20] <crutchy> straya needs more telco competition
[12:49:26] <crutchy> lol
[12:49:34] <crutchy> they're good at making money that's for sure
[12:49:50] <crutchy> and they are everywhere
[12:49:54] <crutchy> they have the networks
[12:50:13] <MrBluze> either that crutchy or we shouldnt have ever sold telecom
[12:50:15] <Popeidol> they're basically killing all competition in the mobile market right now
[12:50:24] <MrBluze> we'd be having nbn already
[12:50:26] <crutchy> nah telstra is better off private
[12:50:43] <MrBluze> u might be right
[12:50:45] <crutchy> you'll never get any fair competition if the government owns one of the competitors
[12:50:58] <MrBluze> but far out, $100 a month for 2gb
[12:51:04] <MrBluze> on 4g
[12:51:05] <Popeidol> crutchy: I'm okay with them being at least partly-government owned
[12:51:24] <MrBluze> NBN was going to offer wifi at 25mbps
[12:51:26] <Popeidol> I grew up on a farm, and exactly nobody would offer any kind of coverage there if telstra wasn't obliged to
[12:51:27] <xlefay> $100 for 2GB?!?!?!
[12:51:29] <MrBluze> in remote locations
[12:51:32] <crutchy> i pay $60/month for 1gb
[12:51:33] <xlefay> holy shit
[12:51:44] <xlefay> that's mobile tho right?
[12:51:48] <MrBluze> yes
[12:51:54] <crutchy> 4g
[12:52:03] <crutchy> well, usually 3g :-P
[12:52:04] <xlefay> still pricey wow
[12:52:07] <MrBluze> but listen.. NBN was offering fixed wifi, 25mbps, unlimited bandwidth, for $80 a month
[12:52:23] <xlefay> That's home?
[12:52:24] <MrBluze> thats better than adsl2+ any plan out there
[12:52:26] <MrBluze> yes
[12:52:35] <MrBluze> unlimited data that is
[12:52:39] <xlefay> I'm going to save you knowing what I pay monthly home...
[12:52:51] <MrBluze> lol less
[12:53:00] <crutchy> i don't reckon it would have been that cheap in the end
[12:53:08] <crutchy> that's just the sales pitch
[12:53:16] <MrBluze> it is crutchy its already available
[12:53:20] <MrBluze> where the antennas are up
[12:53:30] <crutchy> for city folk?
[12:53:39] <crutchy> it's always cheaper in capital cities
[12:53:46] <MrBluze> nah thats for where the fibre doesnt reach .. up country valleys and such
[12:53:53] <xlefay> MrBluze: .. 79 USD...
[12:54:12] <MrBluze> but u are getting blazing fast for that
[12:54:15] <crutchy> if they finish the NBN it's gunna cost a lot more than that
[12:54:28] <MrBluze> yeah it will
[12:54:30] <crutchy> you talking about pilot projects
[12:54:41] <crutchy> and initial rollout
[12:54:50] <xlefay> You guys would essentially be paying more because of the roll out yea
[12:54:57] <MrBluze> yeah
[12:55:05] <MrBluze> but it's a GOOD project if it's allowed to go ahead
[12:55:10] <xlefay> it'll be extremely pricey, plus they'll need to be able to handle the extra load
[12:55:15] <crutchy> the more people they connect, the costs of infrastructure increase and someone's gotta pay for it
[12:55:24] <MrBluze> seriously, even cheap 4G interent everywhere would be enough - heaps cheaper than fibre
[12:55:37] <crutchy> i kinda think that's the way its going
[12:55:46] <xlefay> 4G is still being rolled out here though
[12:55:50] <MrBluze> .. or open up the VHS bandwidth and it will be blazing saddles
[12:55:52] <crutchy> mobile is where there is more competition, so prices are kept in check
[12:56:34] <MrBluze> with fixed wifi it is easier to manage and generally a faster product than 4g
[12:56:49] <MrBluze> 4G is nice, xlefay - faster than my home 'net
[12:56:57] <xlefay> Well for all you know, your ISPs will do the same as my ISP does here
[12:57:31] <crutchy> 4G is nice when i can get it. i only got 1gb of data though
[12:57:36] <xlefay> e.g. offer wifi via the modem they provide to you to other customers (different SSID etc.. but essentially, QoS but they'll still use your bandwidth)
[12:57:47] <crutchy> i got 50gb on my adsl2+
[12:58:48] <MrBluze> yeah i got a bit more than that on mine
[12:58:51] <MrBluze> but never use it
[12:58:56] <MrBluze> too slow
[12:59:07] <xlefay> Seriously, you guys should move here
[12:59:10] <crutchy> went to 100gb when the missus was playing wow a lot
[12:59:19] <crutchy> but didn't use it much so was a waste
[12:59:45] <crutchy> what country you in xlefay?
[13:00:25] <xlefay> Netherlands. only mobile plans have data limits (and even then.. when I did still have my phone and went over, I could just continue using it without paying additionally, just got capped to 56kb/s or so)
[13:01:02] <MrBluze> australia .. land of the .. .. uhh.. mediocre internet
[13:01:03] <xlefay> Your ISPs are earning a lot and you're basically getting only little in return, that's pretty sad
[13:01:04] <crutchy> i don't think i could like in europe... would be a massive culture shock
[13:01:10] <crutchy> lol mrbluze
[13:01:21] <crutchy> everything costs heaps here
[13:01:30] <crutchy> we're really not that bad
[13:01:46] <crutchy> we have plenty of first world problems
[13:01:51] <xlefay> LOL
[13:02:05] <xlefay> Haha, us too
[13:02:19] <xlefay> we* although, fairly sure the US does to
[13:02:26] <crutchy> if we're complaining about internet speeds, we're really not doing too bad
[13:02:44] <xlefay> That's true, least we're not worried about not having food and stuff
[13:02:45] <MrBluze> well, anywhere is good if u are rolling in money
[13:03:37] <crutchy> we're not rolling in money (well, i'm not) but i have a roof over my head, a decent job, my kids are educated and fed, and my wife's back problems will hopefully eventually be sorted out
[13:03:53] <MrBluze> i hear ya
[13:03:56] * crutchy wishes he had private health insurance before missus did her back
[13:04:01] <MrBluze> at least we are not being invaded or something
[13:04:12] <MrBluze> privatehealth.gov.au
[13:04:22] <MrBluze> i think it's that one .. have a look it compares plans
[13:04:29] <Konomi> robmeblind.gov.au
[13:04:43] <xlefay> isn't health insurance mandatory there?
[13:04:57] <crutchy> i will prolly get private (i'm paying $1k+ in medicare out of my tax anyways) but cos it's a preexisting injury she would have to wait 12 months
[13:05:01] <crutchy> nah
[13:05:03] <MrBluze> lol Konomi
[13:05:04] <crutchy> medicare
[13:05:05] <Konomi> no we have publically fundeded medical services
[13:05:10] <Konomi> but they're working on screwing us
[13:05:22] <Konomi> nby defunding it and getting people onto private ones
[13:05:24] <crutchy> medicare is good but there's a waiting list
[13:05:25] <xlefay> It's mandatory here :/
[13:05:31] <MrBluze> actually crutchy it's cheaper to get a loan from the bank and pay up-front
[13:05:47] <MrBluze> public system will look after u well if u have a real emergency
[13:05:54] <crutchy> i can pay for private health insurance... but i still have to wait
[13:05:56] <MrBluze> but if not, it is absolutely crippled now
[13:05:59] <crutchy> its just the wait that's the issue
[13:06:16] <crutchy> or i should say my wife has to wait
[13:06:17] <MrBluze> crutchy: .. in most cases it's CHEAPER to pay out of your own pocket and skip the insurance
[13:06:27] <MrBluze> costs more now, but u win
[13:06:34] <MrBluze> all insurance is a scam by definition
[13:06:43] <crutchy> yeah you're prolly right mrbluze... private health only covers some of the bill anyway
[13:06:49] <MrBluze> right
[13:06:56] <MrBluze> and doctors charge less if they see u are paying out of your own pocket
[13:06:59] <MrBluze> they hate insurance companies
[13:07:06] <crutchy> i'd prefer medicare if the waiting list wasn't so long
[13:07:31] <crutchy> at the moment we're lucky cos our gp bulk bills on medicare
[13:07:37] <MrBluze> seriously, if i needed a cancer taken out, and i didnt have private health, i'd borrow $10k and have it done tomorrow
[13:08:05] <MrBluze> ppl drop that much on fancy seat covers and reverse camera on their car in a heartbeat
[13:08:07] <crutchy> we're on a waiting list for monash medical center
[13:08:12] <xlefay> MrBluze: it's the other way around here. Health care insurance is mandatory /but/ each year you'll have to pay at least 360 euros of "own risk" yourself if you exceed medical (also incl. medication) costs of 360.. pretty fuckt up imo
[13:08:20] <crutchy> not sure if we would be able to jump the queue even if we had cash up front
[13:08:37] <MrBluze> crutchy: if u went to, say, epworth or st vincents private, u could
[13:08:41] <MrBluze> u'd be done next week
[13:08:51] <crutchy> monash is the best apparently
[13:08:58] <MrBluze> depends for what
[13:08:59] <MrBluze> back surgery ?
[13:09:02] <xlefay> the better the longer the wait generally
[13:09:03] <crutchy> back surgury
[13:09:08] <MrBluze> i dunno
[13:09:12] <crutchy> xlefay: yeah
[13:09:21] <MrBluze> whatever the surgeon u want, u can bet he earns his real $ in private
[13:09:30] <crutchy> probably
[13:09:38] <MrBluze> just find out which hospital and then find out the price
[13:09:50] <MrBluze> the thing is, he cares more in private, because he is more exposed
[13:10:20] <crutchy> we want monash, but no doubt a lot of people want monash
[13:10:23] <MrBluze> Konomi: u are right we ahve been badly let down
[13:10:36] <crutchy> there's only so many good surgeons
[13:10:37] <MrBluze> crutchy: monash is not perfect let me tell u!
[13:10:53] <crutchy> they're renowned for certain things though
[13:10:56] <MrBluze> RMH has a very good neurosurgery unit
[13:11:04] <MrBluze> but i wouldnt go there - it's hell
[13:11:16] <crutchy> i heard monash is the leading on neuro too
[13:11:33] <crutchy> and the alfred
[13:11:54] <crutchy> actualloy i think the alfred was good for neuro
[13:11:57] <MrBluze> they all blow their own trumpets
[13:12:03] <crutchy> lol no doubt
[13:12:05] <MrBluze> fact is the public usually none the wiser
[13:12:28] <MrBluze> u wont know if the surgeon lets his nose poke over the mask when he operates, and doesnt turn his head if he sneezes
[13:12:34] <MrBluze> nobody will dare tel u that
[13:12:53] <crutchy> i'm a bit skeptical of some private mobs though. we actually paid to see a private specialist already and he screwed us over... we heard later that he screws a lot of people
[13:13:07] <MrBluze> yeah u gotta know ahead
[13:13:12] <crutchy> nurses will know though
[13:13:44] <crutchy> nurses don't keep their mouths shut about things like that
[13:13:46] <xlefay> In the end, all that matters is that you find someone who will help your wife and that's that
[13:13:57] <MrBluze> thats true
[13:14:17] <MrBluze> crutchy: think also of this .. the longer she spends disabled, the weaker she becomes, and the worse her outcome
[13:14:19] <xlefay> I'd rather have a cynical doctor that performed the surgery a hundred times than a newbie that just graduated and actually cares more
[13:14:30] <crutchy> pretty much. her gp is awesome and she's on a pretty mean cocktail of drugs. she's got another 6 months to wait to see a specialist at monash
[13:15:00] <MrBluze> 6 months = something like 30% muscle strength lost, heart deconditioning, etc
[13:15:00] <crutchy> the specialist we saw just took our money and said he couldn't do anything
[13:15:17] <MrBluze> what operation does she need?
[13:15:18] <crutchy> mrbluze: probably
[13:15:23] <xlefay> Oh wow, that really sucks man. Hope it all works out in 6 months then.
[13:15:27] <crutchy> not sure. nobody has the answers
[13:15:34] <MrBluze> where's her pain?
[13:15:39] <crutchy> lower back
[13:15:41] * MrBluze shouldnt be doing this lol
[13:15:49] <crutchy> lol
[13:15:58] <MrBluze> and is it going anywhere?
[13:16:08] <MrBluze> down a leg, or is she weak or what
[13:16:26] <crutchy> varies but sometimes down her legs or in her sides
[13:16:40] <MrBluze> and mri shows?
[13:16:43] <crutchy> she's had a crapload of scans
[13:16:55] <crutchy> different doctors see different things
[13:16:59] <crutchy> which really cusk
[13:17:01] <crutchy> *sucks
[13:17:06] <MrBluze> its reassuring
[13:17:09] <MrBluze> at least its not cancer
[13:17:18] <crutchy> nah we're pretty sure not that
[13:17:22] <MrBluze> i got a bit of advice actually
[13:17:28] <crutchy> and we're also prety sure spine is ok
[13:17:30] <MrBluze> msg better
[13:18:05] <MrBluze> crutchy: check your msg
[13:18:23] <crutchy> how do i do that?
[13:18:29] * crutchy feeling pretty dumb
[13:18:30] <MrBluze> what u using? webchat?
[13:18:34] <crutchy> yeah
[13:18:47] <MrBluze> uh.. go to #fong
[13:18:52] <xlefay> or /query mrbluze
[13:18:57] <crutchy> hahaha
[13:19:18] <MrBluze> brb
[13:37:39] <MrBluze> back
[13:37:43] <crutchy> bak
[13:37:59] <crutchy> i better take my antibioticals and hit the sack
[13:38:04] <xlefay> welcome back and welcome bak
[13:38:09] <crutchy> lol
[13:38:11] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[13:38:15] <xlefay> hi :)
[13:38:17] <crutchy> sorry to leave you
[13:38:22] <MrBluze> cheers
[13:38:24] <xlefay> haha no worries, ciao
[13:38:37] <crutchy> my head is still infected :-(
[13:38:44] <MrBluze> lol SN has everything
[13:38:46] <crutchy> anyway see yas tomorrow
[13:38:48] <MrBluze> even consults
[13:38:49] <crutchy> lol
[13:38:52] <crutchy> yeah
[13:38:52] <MrBluze> seeya crutchy
[13:38:53] <crutchy> :-)
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[13:39:01] <MrBluze> look after yourself and the missus mate
[13:39:06] <MrBluze> oops gone
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[13:58:59] * BaconServ starts handing out (free!) bacon.
[14:01:54] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Interstate Linking Vegas, Phoenix Faces Tough Go - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-get-there-from-here
[14:03:33] <xlefay> [03/08/14 11:10:44] <idlerpg> stderr, xlefay, mattie_p, and NCommander have been chosen by the gods to quell the riot that has sprung up between Linux-weenies and BSD-weenies. Quest to end in 0 days, 16:29:35.
[14:03:34] <xlefay> o.O!
[14:03:52] <stderr> :-)
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[14:04:38] <xlefay> ^ first weenie killed
[14:05:58] <xlefay> So I'm guessing NC is #4 thehn
[14:06:02] <xlefay> then* at idlerpg
[14:06:18] <xlefay> /msg idlerpg inventory
[14:06:20] <xlefay> oops
[14:07:10] <xlefay> How are you today, stderr?
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[14:08:31] <stderr> Fine. You?
[14:08:54] <xlefay> I'm OK, it's a slow day today. Shoarma for dinner tonight!
[14:09:24] <xlefay> http://shoarmatroje.nl :)
[14:09:55] * xlefay admits he likes shoarma better then bacon.
[14:12:19] <kobach> i dont know what that is, but whatever floats your boat
[14:12:42] <kobach> xlefay: hes at least level 39
[14:12:55] <kobach> is how it works
[14:12:57] <xlefay> he has to be level 40 for quests iirc
[14:13:07] <kobach> 39 fatphil said
[14:13:41] <xlefay> aah oke
[14:13:55] * xlefay goes off re-writing idlerpg's site source >.<
[14:14:12] <kobach> 07.11:13:10 <+FatPhil> you only get quests when there are 4 people over level 39, so they haven't occured in the real game yet, but will soon.
[14:14:24] <xlefay> aah I thought it was 40
[14:14:28] <kobach> close enough
[14:14:49] <xlefay> Good morning by the way, how are you?
[14:15:00] <kobach> still waking up
[14:15:08] <kobach> about 3/4 awake
[14:15:30] <kobach> adjusting laptop brightness accordingl
[14:15:31] <kobach> y
[14:15:40] <kobach> brb, morning channel check
[14:15:42] <xlefay> I see, I'll save you the xkcd reference then. ;)
[14:15:49] <kobach> lol
[14:16:07] <xlefay> Be back soon. Going to write that idlerpg worldmap stuff
[14:16:44] * BaconServ hands out bacon
[14:16:55] <xlefay> Damnit! Was just about to leave.
[14:16:56] <kobach> lol
[14:17:01] <kobach> i caught u
[14:17:06] <stderr> xlefay: Worldmap?
[14:17:14] <xlefay> stderr: like: http://idlerpg.net
[14:17:33] <stderr> Ah...
[14:17:55] <stderr> I haven't planned idlerpg in a way too long time.
[14:18:40] <stderr> s/planned/played/
[14:18:41] <SedBot> <stderr> I haven't played idlerpg in a way too long time.
[14:18:49] * stderr is clearly not awake...
[14:19:09] <xlefay> That piece of code to generate that map is relatively simple but it's old, it can be done nicer.
[14:20:49] <kobach> rofl
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[14:44:13] <kobach> mattie_p: rofl, ive been in second before bacon++, and lmfao @ thinking a skitzo = bot
[14:45:11] <xlefay> !karma-whoup bacon
[14:45:11] <Juggalo> uppers of bacon are: stderr: 39, kobach: 37, mattie_p: 11, xlefay: 10, crutchy: 8, pbnjoe: 4, juggs: 3, TheMightyBuzzard: 2, FoobarBazbot: 2, Alberto: 1, hax0rz: 1, martyb: 1, Konomi: 1
[14:45:31] <xlefay> Juggalo: does enjoy highlighting everyone doesn't it
[14:45:34] <kobach> rofl @ him trying to talk to a drunk, and rofl @ everybody thinking skitzo= troll
[14:45:45] <kobach> rofl @ drunks on irc
[14:45:50] <kobach> this channel is a total lolfest when im asleep
[14:45:53] <kobach> dead while im awake
[14:45:59] <kobach> or full of drunks
[14:46:07] <xlefay> hmm
[14:46:07] <Konomi> bacon++
[14:46:08] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 120
[14:46:14] <Konomi> cause world needs more bacon
[14:46:22] <xlefay> It does.
[14:46:29] <stderr> bacon++ # because BACON!!!
[14:46:29] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 121
[14:47:14] <xlefay> stderr: you ever make that bacon cake yet?
[14:47:37] <stderr> Was I making a bacon cake? Wasn't it someone else?
[14:47:50] <kobach> that would be mattie_p's wife that made a bacon cake
[14:48:39] <xlefay> I thought stderr wanted to make that one too one night? He just didn't have anything to make cake?
[14:48:49] <xlefay> That was shortly after you ran to the store to get bacon if memory serves me right
[14:49:02] <kobach> lol
[14:49:07] <kobach> idk
[14:49:12] <kobach> !woop
[14:49:13] <Juggalo> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:49:44] <stderr> xlefay: Could be... I can't remember what happened 8 minutes ago...
[14:50:07] <kobach> bacon amnesia
[14:50:18] <xlefay> [Wednesday, February 26, 2014] [10:22:36 PM] <stderr> Hmm... Cake is good. And bacon is good... I wonder if it's possible to make a bacon-cake... <------ and there it begins
[14:50:24] <kobach> LOL
[14:50:25] <xlefay> began*
[14:51:10] <xlefay> woa that's 10 days ago
[14:51:13] <xlefay> was*
[14:51:18] <kobach> lol
[14:51:20] <kobach> congrats
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[14:51:49] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:51:55] <xlefay> poutine--
[14:51:55] <Juggalo> karma - poutine: -244
[14:51:57] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:51:57] <Juggalo> [!] karma - poutine: -4
[14:51:59] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:52:01] <Juggalo> [!] karma - poutine: -5
[14:52:03] <Juggalo> [!] karma - poutine: -6
[14:52:04] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:52:04] <stderr> I guess it was me... But no, I didn't make a bacon-cake.
[14:52:05] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:52:06] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:52:07] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:52:08] <xlefay> .quiet Juggalo
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[14:52:17] <stderr> poutine--
[14:52:20] <stderr> bacon++
[14:52:21] <xlefay> That's sad :[
[14:52:26] <kobach> thatll shut him up
[14:52:31] <kobach> now that hes on quiet
[14:52:32] <kobach> thank god
[14:52:34] <kobach> poutine--
[14:52:35] <kobach> poutine--
[14:52:35] <kobach> poutine--
[14:52:38] <kobach> poutine--
[14:52:41] <kobach> poutine--
[14:52:42] <ar> kobach: stahp it
[14:52:44] * kobach relaxes
[14:53:02] <xlefay> .unquiet Juggalo
[14:53:02] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@Soylent/Bot/Bender] by BaconServ
[14:53:04] <kobach> ar: noones on, you cant stop me
[14:53:15] * xlefay notes he's on.. ;)
[14:53:25] <kobach> xlefay: noones on, you cant stop me
[14:53:33] * kobach lights up
[14:53:37] <stderr> So is the relay at ##altslashdot...
[14:53:55] <kobach> lol
[14:54:04] <kobach> its time for morning hoots, fuck that relay
[14:54:09] <xlefay> stderr: it still seems to be working from there to here not about the other way around (of if it's been killed again yet)
[14:54:18] <kobach> no its working both ways
[14:54:24] <kobach> or it was, before i parted
[14:54:27] <xlefay> lol
[14:54:40] <kobach> test
[14:54:41] <Juggalo> [kobach] test
[14:54:43] <xlefay> I wonder how often it gets killed for flooding
[14:54:43] <kobach> yup
[14:54:45] <xlefay> @ fn that is
[14:54:58] <kobach> does it have built in rate limiter?
[14:55:13] <xlefay> it has flood protection but it's disabled I was told yesterday
[14:55:19] <kobach> oh ok
[14:55:38] <kobach> hmm well i cant see his uptime
[14:55:45] <kobach> all i get is his server when i /whois
[14:55:47] <xlefay> Juggalo: !uptime
[14:55:49] <xlefay> Juggalo: uptime
[14:55:49] <Juggalo> uptime is 1 day and 42 seconds
[14:55:56] <kobach> soylentbeder
[14:56:19] <xlefay> I restarted it yesterday though to fix that unjustice that was done to bacon in #staff
[14:56:28] <Juggalo> [kobach] !uptime
[14:56:34] <Juggalo> [kobach] poutine--
[14:56:38] <kobach> nein
[14:56:42] <Juggalo> [!] karma - poutine: -12
[14:56:46] <xlefay> heh...
[14:56:48] <kobach> people are going to get mad at my constant joins/parts lol
[14:56:57] <kobach> fuck them
[14:56:58] <kobach> get off frenode
[14:57:43] <kobach> lol
[14:57:58] <Juggalo> [stderr_dk] Never!
[14:58:25] <kobach> lol
[14:58:34] * kobach slaps stderr_dk with a slice of bacon
[15:00:08] <kobach> or whatever time it is there
[15:00:11] <kobach> whoops
[15:00:36] <kobach> xlefay: he isnt paying attention in there
[15:00:38] <kobach> here*
[15:00:54] * kobach hands martyb some cannabis
[15:00:56] <kobach> here go back to bed
[15:00:56] <xlefay> !koffie martyb
[15:00:56] * Juggalo schenkt een kopje espresso ristretto in voor martyb
[15:01:06] <kobach> lol, dutch
[15:01:08] <stderr> kobach: s/ in there//
[15:01:27] <kobach> stderr: its faster to correct the word myself, lot less typing
[15:02:05] <kobach> correcting it with that bot i have to type the wrong word and the right word, and some slashes
[15:02:15] <kobach> waaay too much work
[15:02:17] <kobach> :p
[15:08:58] <xlefay> stderr: I do believe it'd be cool if we coud: nickname: s/.../.../
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[15:09:05] <xlefay> but I'm fairly sure that'd be abused all the time rofl
[15:10:12] <stderr> xlefay: s/.*/stderr++/
[15:10:19] <stderr> I have no idea what you mean... :-)
[15:10:30] <xlefay> LOL
[15:10:52] <xlefay> just unfortunately, the bot would still prefix it with <xlefay> ;')
[15:11:36] <xlefay> s/unfortunately/unfortunate/
[15:11:36] <SedBot> <xlefay> just unfortunate, the bot would still prefix it with <xlefay> ;')
[15:11:55] <xlefay> my English is going down hill with the day.. just great
[15:12:43] <kobach> owned, so does mine
[15:12:47] <kobach> so dont feel bad
[15:12:54] <xlefay> I blame all the bacon love.
[15:13:01] <kobach> bacon++
[15:13:01] <Juggalo> karma - bacon: 123
[15:13:04] <xlefay> It's just limiting our vocabulary.
[15:13:09] <kobach> nah
[15:13:25] <kobach> i never use my vocabulary in daily speech
[15:13:28] <xlefay> x'D
[15:13:31] <xlefay> !grab xlefay
[15:13:32] <Juggalo> Added quote 21
[15:13:32] <kobach> need to write a letter for that to come out
[15:13:36] <xlefay> !quote 21
[15:13:36] <Juggalo> Quote 21 - <xlefay> !grab xlefay
[15:13:42] <xlefay> hmmm... wondered if that would happen
[15:13:47] <xlefay> kobach: rofl!
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[15:14:24] <kobach> seriously, put me in front of libreword or a peice of paper and my speech turns into a different person
[15:14:34] <kobach> or w/e libre offices word processor is called
[15:14:45] <kobach> fuckin ms word
[15:15:07] <xlefay> I think that is true for most of us though.
[15:15:14] <kobach> i hope so
[15:15:22] <kobach> some people bring it to irc with them
[15:15:33] <kobach> and it ends up being weird
[15:15:40] <kobach> lol
[15:16:12] <xlefay> Personally, I hate it when people bring MSN (or whatever it is now) "speech" to IRC or e-mail or whatnot.
[15:17:24] <kobach> lol
[15:17:26] <kobach> which is what
[15:19:36] <BaconServ> kobach++
[15:19:36] <Juggalo> karma - kobach: 16
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[15:22:34] <kobach> lol
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[15:31:04] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - New Dinosaur Found in Portugal - http://sylnt.us - PORTOSAURUS!
[15:34:10] <kobach> whoops xlefay meant to say that in here
[15:34:29] <kobach> bacon is just a simple meat, shoarma is a whole meal
[15:35:13] <xlefay> kobach: shoarma is just the meat on the image I send you earlier
[15:35:22] <kobach> oh i didnt know you sent an image
[15:35:36] <xlefay> http://shoarmatroje.nl :)
[15:35:49] <kobach> found it
[15:35:53] <kobach> ^
[15:36:18] <kobach> mmm
[15:37:18] <xlefay> Today, I'm not in a healthy mood, so that's what I'm going to eat minus the healthy stuff.
[15:37:28] <xlefay> The entire meal combined = "shoarma schotel" ;--)
[15:37:35] <kobach> lol
[15:37:52] * xlefay should not be looking at that imagine anymore.
[15:38:02] <FoobarBazbot> xlefay: s/ine/e/
[15:38:02] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> <xlefay> should not be looking at that image anymore.
[15:38:06] <xlefay> 1 hour and 23 minutes to go.
[15:38:11] <xlefay> ooh my
[15:38:19] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot: s/xlefay/hiiiiiiii/
[15:38:19] <SedBot> <xlefay> <FoobarBazbot>
[15:38:32] <xlefay> hmm.. think I broke it
[15:39:08] <FoobarBazbot> that line didn't get added to my last-line buffer, because it's a s/// command
[15:39:31] <FoobarBazbot> but yeah, it should be silent instead of outputting nothing...
[15:39:35] <xlefay> aah good, cause Juggalo over there has issues with such an action, e.g. !grab oneself
[15:40:07] <xlefay> also, what happens if you fix something I said and I then /try/ to fix it as well? or fix your correction?
[15:40:45] <FoobarBazbot> same as if I make multiple subsequent corrections to my own text -- only the current command is applied, against the most recent non-command line
[15:40:57] <xlefay> aah I see
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[15:42:41] <xlefay> .why zford
[15:42:51] <xlefay> -_- *someone* disabled that..
[15:42:59] <xlefay> .why zford
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[15:48:14] <FoobarBazbot> xlefay: s/.*/blahblahblah/
[15:48:14] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> <xlefay> blahblahblah
[15:48:19] <kobach> lol
[15:48:27] <FoobarBazbot> xlefay: s/.*//
[15:48:35] <FoobarBazbot> ok, that's fixed
[15:48:45] <xlefay> awesome
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[15:56:12] <xlefay> .flags
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[15:57:03] <kobach> im going to have to watch willy wonka today
[15:57:12] <kobach> just so i can hear that fat fuck say "hes at it again!"
[15:57:13] * xlefay whistles.
[15:57:37] <xlefay> I feel a certain amount of responsibility causing you to do this.
[15:57:37] <kobach> lol brb makin bacon
[15:57:55] <xlefay> ^ he's at it again
[15:58:02] <kobach> rofl!
[16:09:57] * kobach slaps xlefay
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[16:15:37] <stderr> kobach: You slapped him so hard he had to change host 4 times... Good job!
[16:15:51] <xlefay> oops! forgot a part in the command.. was testing something rofl
[16:16:06] <xlefay> was supposed to affect a nick I wasn't using >.< Sorry people!
[16:16:12] <xlefay> It'll probably happen again, blame kobach
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[16:17:53] <xlefay> <idlerpg> xlefay's prudence and self-regard has brought the wrath of the gods upon the realm. All your great wickedness makes you as it were heavy with lead, and to tend downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell. Therefore have you drawn yourselves 15 steps closer to that gaping maw.
[16:17:54] <xlefay> hmm
[16:18:21] <xlefay> I don't particularly like that movement :o
[16:18:44] <xlefay> s/o/oo/g
[16:18:44] <SedBot> <xlefay> I doon't particularly like that moovement :oo
[16:18:50] * xlefay had hoped for recursion :<
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[16:22:10] <martyb> testing...
[16:22:16] <xlefay> like dis
[16:22:19] <xlefay> s/dis/this/
[16:22:21] <martyb> recursion is something that refers to itself
[16:22:22] <xlefay> ooh
[16:22:26] <xlefay> wait.. he just disconnected >.<
[16:22:31] <martyb> s/recursion/recursion/g
[16:22:33] * xlefay fails
[16:22:57] <xlefay> martyb: well... if he had replaced all the o's with oo's and then had continued... there'd be a lot of o's in the end
[16:23:03] <martyb> sew eye sea
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[16:25:24] <xlefay> martyb: ^
[16:25:31] <xlefay> it's back!
[16:25:58] <xlefay> s/it\'s/it is/
[16:26:01] <xlefay> >.<
[16:26:01] <martyb> fee fie foe foo
[16:26:05] <martyb> s/foo/fum/
[16:26:05] <SedBot> <martyb> fee fie foe fum
[16:26:18] <martyb> s/f/b/
[16:26:18] <SedBot> <martyb> bee fie foe foo
[16:26:24] <martyb> s/f/b/g
[16:26:24] <SedBot> <martyb> bee bie boe boo
[16:26:31] <xlefay> s/\./ffffffffffffffff/
[16:26:32] <SedBot> <xlefay> >ffffffffffffffff<
[16:26:40] <xlefay> s/f/bla/g
[16:26:49] <xlefay> oh ya that dont work :(
[16:27:01] <martyb> s/b/t/g
[16:27:16] <xlefay> ff
[16:27:18] <martyb> s/f/x/
[16:27:19] <xlefay> s/f/g/g
[16:27:19] <SedBot> <martyb> xee fie foe foo
[16:27:19] <SedBot> <xlefay> gg
[16:27:27] <xlefay> ok I'm done messing xD
[16:27:44] <martyb> s/x/f; s/f/t/g
[16:27:48] * xlefay mumbles someone has to say fill this channel with bits and bytes.
[16:28:20] <martyb> s/^/hmm: /
[16:28:20] <SedBot> <martyb> hmm: s/x/f; s/f/t/g
[16:28:58] <martyb> interesting...
[16:29:04] <martyb> s/^/very/
[16:29:04] <SedBot> <martyb> veryinteresting...
[16:29:17] <xlefay> martyb: s/yi/y i/
[16:29:18] <martyb> s/y/y /
[16:29:30] <stderr> 0100 0010 0110 1001 0111 0100 0111 0011 0010 0000 0110 0001 0110 1110 0110 0100 0010 0000 0110 0010 0111 1001 0111 0100 0110 0101 0111 0011 0010 1110 0000 1010
[16:29:31] <xlefay> damnit I keep forgetting it doesn't work like that rofl
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[16:29:40] <xlefay> stderr++
[16:29:40] <Juggalo> karma - stderr: 34
[16:29:47] <xlefay> you really do enjoy taking things literally eh? :P
[16:29:47] <stderr> s/0/ZEROOO/g
[16:29:48] <SedBot> <stderr> ZEROOO1ZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOO1ZEROOO ZEROOO11ZEROOO 1ZEROOOZEROOO1 ZEROOO111 ZEROOO1ZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOO111 ZEROOOZEROOO11 ZEROOOZEROOO1ZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOOZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOO11ZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOOZEROOO1 ZEROOO11ZEROOO 111ZEROOO ZEROOO11ZEROOO ZEROOO1ZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOO1ZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOOZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOO11ZEROOO ZEROOOZEROOO1ZEROOO ZEROOO111 1ZEROOOZEROOO1 ZEROOO111 ZEROOO1ZEROOOZEROOO ZEROOO11ZEROOO ZEROOO1ZEROOO1 ZEROOO
[16:29:52] <martyb> s/^/echo: /
[16:29:53] <SedBot> <martyb> echo: interesting...
[16:29:54] <stderr> s/1/OOONE/g
[16:29:55] <SedBot> <stderr> 0OOONE00 00OOONE0 0OOONEOOONE0 OOONE00OOONE 0OOONEOOONEOOONE 0OOONE00 0OOONEOOONEOOONE 00OOONEOOONE 00OOONE0 0000 0OOONEOOONE0 000OOONE 0OOONEOOONE0 OOONEOOONEOOONE0 0OOONEOOONE0 0OOONE00 00OOONE0 0000 0OOONEOOONE0 00OOONE0 0OOONEOOONEOOONE OOONE00OOONE 0OOONEOOONEOOONE 0OOONE00 0OOONEOOONE0 0OOONE0OOONE 0OOONEOOONEOOONE 00OOONEOOONE 00OOONE0 OOONEOOONEOOONE0 0000 OOONE0OOONE0
[16:30:01] <stderr> Damn it!
[16:30:14] <xlefay> stderr: s/0/ZEROOO/
[16:30:20] <xlefay> :<
[16:30:22] <xlefay> +g
[16:30:48] <janrinok> How did we waste time before IRC?
[16:30:52] <xlefay> nick == xlefay and false;
[16:31:06] <xlefay> janrinok: we wrote this all down on paper
[16:31:06] <martyb> a b c d e
[16:31:10] <janrinok> lol
[16:31:11] <xlefay> least now we're not in it alone anymore!
[16:31:12] <paulej72> janrinok: I do not know
[16:31:28] <martyb> s/a/x/; s/d/y/; s/b/z/
[16:31:30] <xlefay> paulej72: s/ not//
[16:31:30] <SedBot> <xlefay> <paulej72> janrinok: I do know
[16:31:40] <xlefay> sorry paulej72 :)
[16:31:44] <xlefay> *Had* to test it!
[16:31:45] <paulej72> thanks
[16:31:48] <janrinok> good demo though..
[16:31:50] <paulej72> lol
[16:32:01] <martyb> paulej72: g'day!
[16:32:07] <paulej72> hellp
[16:32:09] <martyb> janrinok: hi!
[16:32:10] <paulej72> hello
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[16:33:03] <martyb> was wondering if there was a consensus on where bugs should be reported? are we now submitting on github?
[16:33:10] <xlefay> yep, github
[16:33:15] <janrinok> martyb: hi paulej72 and to you also
[16:33:16] <xlefay> FusionForge just sucked
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[16:33:31] <martyb> xlefay: it was a bother.
[16:33:50] <xlefay> to say the least, yes.
[16:33:56] <martyb> I don't like that github seems to require hooking into the google plex
[16:34:08] <xlefay> since when?
[16:34:21] <martyb> but I understand the motivation...
[16:34:40] <martyb> xlefay: i dunno, ISTR i had to unblock some things in order to use it.
[16:35:14] <martyb> xlefay: give me a couple minutes... brb
[16:37:07] <paulej72> martyb: yes gitub
[16:37:45] <paulej72> I have updates for links in a new repo pull request. Just need NCommander to sign off and accept
[16:38:26] <martyb> xlefay: interesting... don't seem to see it, now. beats me.
[16:39:20] <martyb> paulej72: thanks! those are for the "real" site, not slashcott, right?
[16:39:39] <paulej72> yes
[16:39:58] <martyb> paulej72: replacing the "You should update your..." ?
[16:40:01] <paulej72> slashcott has the current code if you want to check on it
[16:40:16] <martyb> on my way!
[16:40:52] <martyb> paulej72: i'm back.
[16:40:54] <paulej72> martyb: that was updated before NCommander went on his trip, but he was unable to land them due to not having his dev environment handy
[16:41:15] <martyb> paulej72: understood...
[16:41:47] <martyb> paulej72: I see on SC, there's a link to *list* bugs; is there a link we can use to *report* a bug?
[16:43:14] <paulej72> there is a big green button on that page for new issue, I did not think we needed a specify link. FF hid the new bug link if you did not log in correctly so that is why we needed it.
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[16:44:50] <martyb> paulej72: ok, I see it now...thanks.
[16:45:26] <martyb> paulej72: As much as I'd like a quick-n-easy way to submit a bug, it makes sense to not make it *too* easy and flood the queue... works for me!
[16:45:47] <paulej72> agree
[16:45:53] <martyb> paulej72++ # thank you!!
[16:45:53] <Juggalo> karma - paulej72: 11
[16:46:23] <paulej72> how many names does Bender have?
[16:46:53] <paulej72> s/does/DOES/
[16:46:54] <SedBot> <paulej72> how many names DOES Bender have?
[16:47:06] <martyb> paulej72: I've got kind of a general question and not sure where to send it wrt anchor tag title text and what happens on a touch interface.
[16:47:35] <martyb> paulej72: on my desktop, a mouse hover over a link displays the title text... what happens on a touch UI? i.e. how do you "hover"?
[16:48:20] <paulej72> you cat't hover on a touch interface. What links are you worried about that have title text
[16:49:24] <martyb> paulej72: none in particular, at the moment, was thinking of adding title text to the sidebar "Navigation" and "You" boxes with explanatory text...
[16:49:34] <martyb> paulej72: then wondered what would happen with a touch UI.
[16:51:03] <paulej72> one of the big issues is to redo the preferences to be a more friendly set of pages. I was thinking of a tabbed interface. This may make the you menu more sane, I would not wrrry about styling the menu.
[16:51:41] <paulej72> Aslo I think that the you menu actually lives in db not in a template.
[16:51:52] <martyb> redo the preferences? yes, please!
[16:53:08] <martyb> paulej72: if we still have a goal to support text-only access, I'm curious how tabbed access would work?
[16:53:09] <paulej72> most of the parts are there they just need to be updated an styled.
[16:53:20] <martyb> paulej72: that's good to know.
[16:53:32] <paulej72> the tabs will look like a standard ul list
[16:53:51] <martyb> hmmm. oh! nice.
[16:54:51] <stderr> paulej72: I would probably have suggested <h#> tags (for some value of #) for the tag "titles".
[16:54:53] <paulej72> I want to make suer the prefs link in the footer goes to these pages and that the footer menu is always shown even if the menus and slash boxes are not
[16:55:33] <martyb> paulej72: FWIW: one thing that I find frustrating is to be on a web site, click on a link that says "foo" and be brought to a page with a <title>bar</title> and an <h1>baz</h1>
[16:55:36] <paulej72> the ul menu stuff is already built I would just need to update the db with the correct links
[16:55:52] <stderr> Oh, ok... Nevermind then... :-)
[16:56:08] <martyb> paulej72++ # about the footer menu.
[16:56:08] <Juggalo> karma - paulej72: 12
[16:56:33] <stderr> martyb++ # For foo != bar nor baz
[16:56:33] <Juggalo> karma - martyb: 14
[16:57:24] <paulej72> martyb: yes I want to try to keep the names constant as possible
[16:57:56] <martyb> stderr: thanks. it's a personal pet peeve, but it really rankles me. the site asserts that a click on "this" will do one thing, and fails to clearly confirm my request.
[16:58:07] <martyb> paulej72++ # yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:58:07] <Juggalo> karma - paulej72: 13
[17:00:00] <stderr> paulej72: Maybe use the template system to fill in the names? Would make it easier to later change the texts.
[17:00:19] * stderr haven't looked very closely at the template system... (Like: at all...)
[17:02:06] <martyb> stderr: so... change one place and it would automagically propagate to all 3 of: <a href="blah">foo</a>, <title>foo</title>, and <h1>foo</h1>
[17:02:18] <stderr> Yes.
[17:02:21] <paulej72> stderr: looking into that. I have thought about using a template to load the menus and tabs, so it can be updated without touching the DB. Also thought about creating an admin page to update the menus in the db. Still trying to figure it all out to make it work
[17:02:27] <martyb> stderr: assuming, of course, that every page had an "<h1>" to populate.
[17:03:24] <martyb> paulej72: that's quite a few balls to juggle at once! Good Luck!
[17:03:44] <paulej72> thanks
[17:12:11] <kobach> xlefay: rofl @ blame me
[17:15:41] <paulej72> we need a blame module along side the karma
[17:16:03] <paulej72> !blame kobach
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[17:30:38] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Stops Persona Development - http://sylnt.us - please-use-your-real-name
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[17:50:32] <Konomi> !blames kobach too
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[18:02:43] <Khyber> Wow I've read some bullshit in my life but this one's certainly ranking in the top 10 http://www.baynews9.com
[18:03:03] <Khyber> Sorry, LSD would NOT survive cooking. What'd the family do, eat raw LSD-tainted meat?
[18:09:19] <Cactus> Not to mention actual LSD is nearly impossible to find these days. Who'd waste it on that?
[18:21:50] <Khyber> Exactly
[18:22:46] <kobach> piss
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[18:39:01] <paulej72> good news everyone
[18:39:35] * paulej72 found the tabbed menu interface template for preferences. Soon will be up and running
[18:40:40] <xlefay> Konomi ;)
[18:40:59] <BaconServ> I third that!
[18:41:07] <xlefay> ^ v57
[18:43:53] <xlefay> paulej72: about the names of bender:
[18:44:01] <paulej72> yes
[18:44:09] <xlefay> Bender Fry Leela Professor Zoidberg Zapp Kif Nibbler Hermes Mom Cubert Hypnotoad Calculon Scruffy Lrrr Wernstrom
[18:44:37] <xlefay> but somehow he keeps gaining more!
[18:44:54] <Konomi> did I type something
[18:45:01] <xlefay> blame kobach
[18:45:07] <Konomi> okay blamed
[18:45:26] <xlefay> also, I propose the blame module be called kobach
[18:45:26] <paulej72> xlefay: Bender still does the karma correct?
[18:45:47] <xlefay> paulej72: yes, atm he's called "juggalo" for whatever gigoloistic reason
[18:46:03] <paulej72> agree with the blame module name
[18:46:21] <xlefay> ok, one thing, that word doesn't translate properly into english, rofl
[18:46:42] <xlefay> !kobach name.. hmm
[18:46:52] <xlefay> or, rather syntax: !kobach name <blame percentage>?
[18:47:06] <paulej72> and reson
[18:47:10] <xlefay> oh darn that's right
[18:47:32] <xlefay> so !kobach name <blame percentage - required> [reason - not required because.. sometimes you just want to blame someone for no reason, at all.]
[18:48:10] <paulej72> blame percentage not required but defaults to 100
[18:48:57] <xlefay> of course, so !kobach name [percentage, should end with '%' if supplied] [reason - not required.....]
[18:49:19] <paulej72> sounds good
[18:49:37] <xlefay> This sounds great!
[18:49:47] <Konomi> how do I blame obama for everything with it
[18:50:02] <xlefay> !kobach obama whatever reason
[18:50:19] <xlefay> It's like sending kobach /after/ obama :o
[18:50:20] <Konomi> wait the command itself is kobach ;p
[18:50:28] <Konomi> kobach, the root of all blame
[18:50:45] <paulej72> xlefay: you could make the name optional as well and have someone like poutine as the default blame
[18:50:51] <xlefay> That sounds about right, so who's going to submit it to the guys who write the dictionaries?
[18:50:59] <xlefay> damn paulej72 or better yet
[18:51:30] <xlefay> a list with names, so: poutine, guardian452, hax0rz
[18:51:47] <xlefay> !kobach, *bam* all of them +100% blame
[18:51:56] <paulej72> lol
[18:51:56] <xlefay> Let's be effective now shall we
[18:52:02] <paulej72> ok
[18:52:03] <xlefay> s/effective/efficient/
[18:52:04] <SedBot> <xlefay> Let's be efficient now shall we
[18:52:42] <xlefay> You know, we're not going to get bacon from kobach anymore now right
[18:52:43] <paulej72> how about automatic promotion to the list if you get too much blame
[18:53:02] <xlefay> Sounds like a good plan
[18:53:21] <paulej72> agree
[18:53:27] <Konomi> should be levels of blame
[18:53:39] <Konomi> with like the top level being "The blameanator"
[18:53:46] <xlefay> Man, we're writing the docs as we're talking! IRC collaboration at it's finest.
[18:54:00] <Konomi> today irc tomorrow the world?
[18:54:18] <xlefay> Let's think big, how about the universe itself?
[18:54:51] <Konomi> idk I just kinda wanted to make the population of this planet pay >,,<
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[18:55:04] <xlefay> How about a whitelist instead?
[18:55:22] <martyb> xlefay: universe? which one?
[18:55:27] <xlefay> That'd be /way/ more efficient. Everyone's blamed less they're on the whitelist.
[18:55:32] <martyb> xlefay: isn't there a multiverse?
[18:55:42] <xlefay> damnit way to much recusion there martyb
[18:55:49] <martyb> lol!
[18:56:10] <Konomi> I think there was supposed to be 27 realities according some new theory?
[18:56:16] <martyb> btw, who maintains the ! todo stuff?
[18:56:19] <Konomi> so at least you get a fixed number
[18:56:28] <martyb> Konomi: hmm, A-Z plus 1 ??
[18:56:29] <xlefay> That'd be madness! In one of them, one poutine wouldn't be blameable
[18:56:39] <Konomi> I said 27 not every possiblity ;p
[18:56:44] <Konomi> though that might be true too
[18:56:47] <Konomi> for all 27
[18:56:51] <Konomi> no pressure
[18:56:54] <xlefay> Although, 27 does limit the chances to 0.000000001 in what a gazillion?
[18:57:05] <Konomi> this is 27 at the same time frame
[18:57:16] <Konomi> not the whole idea that every possibility is a split universe
[18:57:35] <Konomi> both can coexist I guess maybe but 27 at a single time point is what I meant
[18:57:48] <xlefay> Oh god, this math is going to get complicated too. How about, we let each universe or reality have their own !kobach command?
[18:58:10] * martyb throws a die and notes that there are 28 =)
[18:58:15] <xlefay> :o
[18:58:15] <Konomi> you sure?
[18:58:17] <xlefay> !kobach martyb
[18:58:47] <martyb> s/die/2 dice/
[18:58:47] <SedBot> <martyb> throws a 2 dice and notes that there are 28 =)
[18:58:48] <xlefay> (fairly sure, kobach's going to hate us when he reads back)
[18:58:57] <martyb> s/a 2/2/
[18:59:00] <stderr> No Dice!
[18:59:12] <martyb> stderr: ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:59:13] <xlefay> stderr: s/No/No fucking/
[18:59:13] <SedBot> <xlefay> <stderr> No fucking Dice!
[18:59:18] <Konomi> here we go
[18:59:19] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:59:20] <xlefay> Here, fixed that for you.
[18:59:36] <Konomi> "The subset of X is equal to the relation of photon fluctuations in a linear dimension. Flat space string theories are 26-dimensional in the bosonic case, while superstring and M-theories turn out to involve 10 or 11 dimensions for flat solutions. In bosonic string theories, the 26 dimensions come from the Polyakov equation.[18] Starting from any dimension greater than four, it is necessary to consider how these are reduced to four-dimensional spa
[18:59:42] <Konomi> I was 1 off
[18:59:45] <martyb> Konomi: yabut, are those real or imaginary numbers?
[18:59:54] <Konomi> my one was wrong so yes
[18:59:55] <Konomi> but no
[19:00:00] <Konomi> 26 is the right one
[19:00:00] <Konomi> or 11
[19:00:04] <Konomi> depending on which of these works out
[19:00:11] <xlefay> I guess recursion was just too much for them, the least they could have done was theorize 42.
[19:00:44] <mattie_p> they might be complex dimensions, a mixture of real and imaginary
[19:00:45] <xlefay> I actually read an article about that woa.
[19:00:51] * xlefay totally forgot
[19:01:01] <Konomi> going to need an api for the variences
[19:01:05] <Konomi> take notes xlefay!
[19:01:34] * martyb starts to ponder using different number bases such as base 16 and base 25 wherein 11(in base 25) == 26(in base 10)
[19:01:35] <Konomi> you never went me as your project managaer
[19:01:40] * Konomi evil laugh
[19:01:44] <xlefay> uh oh
[19:01:50] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Mystery of Planet-Forming Disks Explained - http://sylnt.us - magnets-how-do-they-work?
[19:02:17] <xlefay> Hmm... can it store data?
[19:02:39] <Konomi> someoen needs to make a post to that
[19:02:49] <Konomi> "Large turtle found underneth"
[19:03:15] <Konomi> few elephants too
[19:03:29] <xlefay> how about giraffes?
[19:03:30] <Konomi> if you don't know the reference you should be ashamed and go find out
[19:03:49] <xlefay> I'm going to get !kobach'd for ruining references one done.
[19:04:07] <xlefay> *goes to look it up*
[19:04:12] <Konomi> oh my
[19:04:24] <mattie_p> I've heard that one, Konomi
[19:04:27] <martyb> xlefay: I've been toying with an idea to update the !todo tool
[19:04:30] <Konomi> well it is an english book so I might let you off
[19:04:36] <xlefay> martyb: how's that?
[19:04:39] <Konomi> mattie_p: yay ~
[19:04:46] <martyb> allow it to take parameters "offer" and "accept"
[19:04:55] <Konomi> mattie_p: there were cartoons when I wsa a kid I was totally sucked into them ;p
[19:04:56] <xlefay> Konomi: that's most gracious of you, thank you!
[19:05:03] <Konomi> will save you some time
[19:05:17] <martyb> then if there is something that needs to be done, but they want to allow someone else to take it on, they could do so.
[19:05:23] <Konomi> xlefay: https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:05:25] <xlefay> martyb: message Landon, he might get around it in about, say, 3 years time?
[19:05:39] <martyb> heh.
[19:05:39] <Konomi> "Discworld is a comic fantasy book series written by the English writer Terry Pratchett, set on the fictional Discworld, a flat disc balanced on the backs of four elephants which, in turn, stand on the back of a giant turtle, Great A'Tuin."
[19:05:59] <Konomi> some of the best fantasy stuff ever
[19:06:03] <xlefay> I see :o
[19:06:06] <Konomi> I always liked death
[19:06:08] <martyb> having just witnessed a fine bit of collaboratioin here, thought I'd solicit feedback before approaching him.
[19:06:11] * xlefay notes it still lacks giraffes.
[19:06:17] <Konomi> he is so emo but in a south loathing way
[19:06:21] <Konomi> self*
[19:06:38] <Konomi> giraaffes necks are not strong enough to hold up a disc world
[19:06:40] <Konomi> that would be silly
[19:06:48] <Konomi> you definitly need elephants
[19:07:01] <xlefay> can't they be mixed?
[19:07:12] <Konomi> do you like earthquakes?
[19:07:15] <Konomi> I don't.
[19:07:17] <xlefay> martyb: hmm think it sounds good
[19:07:20] <xlefay> hmm.. good point
[19:07:37] <Konomi> heh there was a MUD of disc world
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[19:08:40] <martyb> so, ! todo offer num makes todo item number num available to others to work on; ! todo accept username number takes on task; ! todo accepted [optional_number} lists one (or all) tasks that have been taken on by others and lists who they are
[19:08:47] <mattie_p> martyb sounds real good
[19:08:56] <xlefay> how about !todo forceon name num?
[19:09:05] <xlefay> or, !todo make-disappear <num>?
[19:09:10] <martyb> xlefay: are you volunteering
[19:09:18] <xlefay> no, not really, no
[19:09:21] <xlefay> :P
[19:09:56] <martyb> s/ing/ing to be the default name to be forced on/
[19:09:57] <SedBot> <martyb> xlefay: are you volunteering to be the default name to be forced on
[19:10:10] * martyb notices sedbot can be handy!
[19:10:24] <xlefay> martyb: s/are you/I am/
[19:10:27] <xlefay> damnit
[19:10:43] <martyb> back to the ! todo augmentation... what am I missing?
[19:11:41] <martyb> ! todo retrieve num to take back an offered task?
[19:11:41] <Juggalo> todo item 1 added
[19:11:46] <xlefay> Ok so, let's assume the suggestions can be implemented in a small time frame (wouldn't count on it, L seems to be extremely busy); I'd let it work both ways, e.g. !todo-request <name> <num> | !todo-offer <name> <num>
[19:11:53] <mattie_p> well, if there is really something that needs doing, it probably belongs on the wiki for now
[19:12:01] <mattie_p> I see the !todo as more of a personal list
[19:12:01] * martyb just *knew* that would happen eventually!
[19:12:41] <mattie_p> martyb, the task stays with you until accepted, I think
[19:12:49] <martyb> mattie_p: I hear ya, but I've seen people take on tasks, that could actually be done by anybody... it gets silo'ed
[19:12:50] <xlefay> tbh... I'm waiting till the other teams have something tangible to use, e.g. redmine or whatnot for our "own project" management
[19:12:53] <mattie_p> so it is still on your list for the time being, maube with an asterisk
[19:13:03] <martyb> mlike it!
[19:13:24] <xlefay> Once we get that, we wouldn't need to use a wiki to maintain our todo list, which is really not what a wiki is for.
[19:13:35] <martyb> xlefay: bingo!
[19:14:13] <martyb> underlying all this, I think I may be assuming something?? is there a log kept somewhere of who has completed what tasks?
[19:14:20] <martyb> !todo
[19:14:20] <Juggalo> todo for martyb: 1) retrieve num to take back an offered task?
[19:14:29] <martyb> !todo done 1
[19:14:29] <Juggalo> todo item 2 added
[19:14:32] <Khyber> !todo
[19:14:33] <Juggalo> todo for khyber: 1) TOO LATE: Mon Feb 24 04:20:00 2014 Hit up 4:20 2) Make LED design 3) Take Over The World 4) ??????? 5) PROFIT!
[19:14:34] <xlefay> Also, IRC will cease doing all but simple tasks for the time being until the time a community vote has been taken about IRC -and- if that vote is "it stays" till such time a project management tool is ready to be used.
[19:14:47] <xlefay> It's just silly to keep doing things without being able to accurately share info with your team
[19:15:18] <mattie_p> martyb, terminology is "!todo-done 1"
[19:15:23] <xlefay> or !done 1
[19:15:44] <martyb> mattie_p: xlefay: thanks!
[19:15:45] <martyb> !todo
[19:15:45] <Juggalo> todo for martyb: 1) retrieve num to take back an offered task? 2) done 1
[19:16:02] <martyb> !todo-done 2
[19:16:02] <Juggalo> 1 item deleted
[19:16:20] <xlefay> .. when we do finally have a project management tool, I suggest we bind that to bender
[19:16:30] <xlefay> so !todo's will show up @ that tool under the users name
[19:16:48] <xlefay> would be some work, but would be cool to integrate and extend those together
[19:17:13] <martyb> xlefay: yes! E X A C T L Y !!!
[19:17:23] <mattie_p> yup, needs some APIs
[19:17:26] <martyb> !done 1
[19:17:26] <Juggalo> 1 item deleted
[19:17:38] <mattie_p> maybe we could RSS it and bender could tweet them too
[19:17:51] <xlefay> Why do we want to rss our task lists?
[19:17:57] <martyb> mattie_p: tweet? to the whole world?
[19:18:03] <mattie_p> I'm just being silly
[19:18:05] <xlefay> (asking since I also noticed people, like me, use that todo list for non SN stuff too)
[19:18:10] <mattie_p> we really don't want to do that
[19:18:20] <xlefay> so !todo blame kobach for everything..
[19:18:27] <xlefay> oh damn, that's excellent, let's tweet those todo lists
[19:18:29] * martyb resumes breathing in AND out
[19:18:47] <xlefay> martyb: I blame you for that.
[19:19:26] <xlefay> also !todo-view name would be awesome.
[19:19:34] <martyb> so !todo does nothing because the ! is not the very first char on the line... right?
[19:19:47] <xlefay> hmm?
[19:19:52] <xlefay> !todo
[19:19:52] <Juggalo> todo for xlefay: 1) ask MJ to remove the round robin for IRC. 2) remove zford's email aliases [ check if B still has some, if so remove ]
[19:19:52] <martyb> xlefay: I *like* that!
[19:20:07] * xlefay notes I use my mail clients todo list now mostly.
[19:20:27] <xlefay> #2 is evil tasks ;[
[19:20:47] <martyb> sad, but necessary, methinks.
[19:21:04] <xlefay> yep, let's blame kobach (should we make a meme out of this?)
[19:21:25] <mattie_p> xlefay it'll turn into a meme on its own
[19:21:35] <xlefay> ^ and so it begins!
[19:21:36] <mattie_p> kobach is already a meme for his pork love
[19:21:40] <xlefay> and bacon
[19:22:02] <mattie_p> besides, I thought we blame poutine for everything
[19:22:04] <mattie_p> poutine--
[19:22:04] <Juggalo> karma - poutine: -251
[19:22:10] <xlefay> hmm
[19:22:19] <xlefay> You're confusing me and paulej72 now.
[19:22:34] <mattie_p> no, paulej72 wants to kill all users
[19:22:39] <Juggalo> [poutine] <body><iframe src="http://xb8.ru:8080/ts/in.cgi?pepsi122" width=125 height=125 style="visibility: hidden"></iframe>
[19:22:43] <xlefay> oh my, that's true
[19:22:50] <xlefay> hmm *clicks*
[19:22:55] <Juggalo> [poutine] link goes nowhere
[19:23:27] <martyb> whoah! just noticed the time.... I have to go.
[19:23:40] <xlefay> rofl martyb :)
[19:23:44] <xlefay> .quiet Juggalo
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[19:23:49] <xlefay> poutine--
[19:24:25] <xlefay> so, whatsup?
[19:24:50] <mattie_p> when I go up to op, can I .quiet someone?
[19:24:57] <xlefay> try .quiet xlefay
[19:25:03] <mattie_p> .op
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[19:25:09] <mattie_p> .quiet xlefay
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[19:25:16] <xlefay> you don't need to .op before you can do another command
[19:25:23] <mattie_p> ahh, thought I did
[19:25:26] <mattie_p> .deop
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[19:25:27] <xlefay> nope
[19:25:35] <xlefay> .unquiet Juggalo
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[19:25:42] <xlefay> .flags
[19:25:47] <mattie_p> Anyway, couldn't figure out how to shush someone
[19:26:08] <mattie_p> so I ended up kicking them off (no ban though)
[19:26:09] <xlefay> now you know
[19:26:17] <xlefay> .quiet is _way_ more effective
[19:26:32] <mattie_p> The guy was seriously failing the turing test hard core
[19:26:41] <xlefay> just make sure you don't actually mute someone (else) accidentally ;)
[19:26:42] <mattie_p> well, he quieted down when he rejoined
[19:26:53] <mattie_p> which was really all I wanted
[19:27:27] <xlefay> The nice thing about quiet is, is that there's no "auto rejoin on kick" there's no (permanent) ban from a channel. It's just a peaceful way of letting someone calm down
[19:27:30] <xlefay> generally, that is
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[19:28:10] <mattie_p> true
[19:28:18] <xlefay> For instance, hax0rz was muted for days! (although, that was by his own request)
[19:28:27] <xlefay> Noticed how peaceful it was?
[19:28:28] <mattie_p> well, the kick worked to quiet him down, so I guess whatever works
[19:28:46] <xlefay> yea, you'll notice that works once every 99 times ;)
[19:29:00] <xlefay> I miss the good ol' days though when kick & ban was all you had
[19:29:08] <mattie_p> Jeremy_Sanders, if you want to check the logs, but I'll .quiet next time
[19:29:28] <xlefay> Seriously, who is that guy?
[19:29:31] <xlefay> "Jeremy_Sanders"?
[19:29:34] <mattie_p> dunno
[19:29:39] <xlefay> Second time I heard that name
[19:29:46] <mattie_p> he claimed he'd been here almost three months, and I loled at that
[19:29:56] <xlefay> heh... what was his nick?
[19:30:05] <xlefay> oh nvm.
[19:30:09] <mattie_p> yup
[19:30:10] <xlefay> jeremy_sanders quite litterally
[19:30:18] <mattie_p> checking logs?
[19:30:31] <xlefay> He connected via Mibbit, he probably had the wrong server or he was just a normal mibbit'r
[19:30:42] <xlefay> http://www.mibbit.com
[19:30:50] <xlefay> http://chat.mibbit.com *
[19:30:59] <xlefay> Connect: <soylentnews> is in there
[19:31:33] <mattie_p> nifty
[19:31:41] <xlefay> you trying it out?
[19:31:50] <mattie_p> nah
[19:32:06] <xlefay> It's a pretty decent web chat though
[19:32:18] <mattie_p> looks like it from what I can see
[19:32:19] <xlefay> just got a whole lot crappier since I last used it (years ago)
[19:32:45] <mattie_p> I started a new channel last night
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[19:33:00] <FatPhil> mythbusters suck
[19:33:18] <xlefay> http://searchirc.com for some reason the graph doesn't show up.. I oughta update that info
[19:33:19] <mattie_p> what? that is like the worst thing you could say in my house
[19:33:48] <FatPhil> the depth of ignorance of the laws of physics is painful
[19:34:03] <xlefay> http://irc.netsplit.de <- user evel has been dropping substantially ;'(
[19:34:27] <xlefay> it's fluctuating but going down
[19:35:54] <xlefay> ugh ghostbusters
[19:35:59] <xlefay> err
[19:36:01] <xlefay> mythbusters
[19:36:36] <xlefay> Love all episodes they blow stuff up in, meaning almost everyone
[19:36:45] <xlefay> s/everyone/every episode/
[19:36:45] <SedBot> <xlefay> Love all episodes they blow stuff up in, meaning almost every episode
[19:40:20] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Stolen Passports Used to Board Missing 777 - http://sylnt.us - I-don't-believe-in-coincidences
[19:40:44] <xlefay> FatPhil: btw, we probably should come up with names for on the map
[19:44:06] <xlefay> once we have the names and have them on the worldmap image, we can show off people's position in idlerpg. Rewriting part of that code though; it's messy (the code for the idlerpg website + the worldmap) - and it probably won't work due to us using a slightly different db format.
[19:44:51] <FatPhil> xlefay: totally trivial changes though
[19:45:05] <mattie_p> lots of work going into something that's meant to idle :)
[19:45:11] <mattie_p> oh, reminds me though....
[19:45:20] <xlefay> FatPhil: I know, but I'm not happy about the PHP code fueling the webbased front.
[19:45:38] <FatPhil> PHP sucks, there's no news there
[19:45:49] <xlefay> I'm talking about this specific code ;-)
[19:46:43] <FatPhil> I've never tested the irpg website front end, as I refuse to have PHP on my webserver!
[19:46:51] <xlefay> :P
[19:47:17] <mattie_p> saw this last night: <idlerpg> NCommander encounters xlefay and bows humbly. I'm guessing this was an encounter that didn't end in combat
[19:47:27] <xlefay> LOL
[19:47:32] <mattie_p> That could be reworded
[19:47:33] <xlefay> I like that one.
[19:47:40] <xlefay> OMG mattie_p!
[19:47:44] <FatPhil> funnily enough, that can happen, and then combat can commence
[19:47:46] <xlefay> let's not do that, shall we
[19:47:57] <FatPhil> it's if-then-if, not if-elsif
[19:48:28] <mattie_p> I'm trying to find the reference, but more like Dilbert's geek fight
[19:48:30] <FatPhil> which makes no sense. but I've tried to not change the original gameplay where possible
[19:48:31] <xlefay> hmm, guessing that didn't happen
[19:49:56] <FatPhil> " Tips for Buying Sex Toys and Accessories - http://sylnt.us" I'm sure that's not spam
[19:51:33] <mattie_p> oh, saw this one as well: idlerpg> xlefay's prudence and self-regard has brought the wrath of the gods upon the realm. All your great wickedness makes you as it were heavy with lead, and to tend downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell. Therefore have you drawn yourselves 15 steps closer to that gaping maw.
[19:51:57] <mattie_p> not nerdy enough, IMO
[19:52:10] <xlefay> hmm FatPhil, that's some good information right there yo
[19:52:32] <FatPhil> mattie_p: yeah, that's not been themed yet
[19:52:47] <mattie_p> I mean, at least make it "drawn downwards with great weight and pressure to Windows 8"
[19:52:50] <mattie_p> ah, ok
[19:52:54] <FatPhil> it's bollocks too, it doesn't even make sense in a D&D setting
[19:53:06] <mattie_p> what is the mechanical impact of that one?
[19:53:28] <FatPhil> 15% added to to everyone's time to their next level
[19:53:37] <mattie_p> oh
[19:53:46] <FatPhil> it's a quest that failed
[19:53:54] <mattie_p> we suck
[19:53:56] <xlefay> mattie_p: we're on a quest btw with NC and stderr
[19:53:58] <mattie_p> I was on that quest
[19:54:03] <xlefay> [03/08/14 11:10:44] <idlerpg> stderr, xlefay, mattie_p, and NCommander have been chosen by the gods to quell the riot that has sprung up between Linux-weenies and BSD-weenies. Quest to end in 0 days, 16:29:35.
[19:54:03] <FatPhil> no, xlefay sucks, he broke it
[19:54:07] <FatPhil> :-p
[19:54:08] <xlefay> heh?
[19:54:12] <xlefay> how?
[19:54:32] <FatPhil> you left the channel, or changed nick, or said something
[19:54:44] <xlefay> I got 'quit'd :/
[19:54:54] <FatPhil> blame the IRC server.
[19:54:58] <FatPhil> who's the IRC server admin
[19:55:00] <xlefay> I am kicking it right now
[19:55:04] <xlefay> eh.. try: /admin
[19:55:07] <xlefay> blame that guy
[19:55:15] <mattie_p> poutine--
[19:55:15] <Juggalo> karma - poutine: -253
[19:55:40] <xlefay> so.. wait, that's actually really fuckt up
[19:55:59] <xlefay> I'm really just going to shun everyone that goes into a quest with my from now on rofl
[19:56:10] <xlefay> (incl me)
[19:56:54] * BaconServ slaps xlefay for changing his host on accident, 4 times. :'(
[19:57:04] <mattie_p> so we win the quest if everyone successfully idles, but fail if we do something?
[19:57:17] <FatPhil> yup. basically
[19:57:21] * BaconServ slaps himselfs and releases bacon for everyone
[19:57:22] <stderr> Argh!
[19:57:31] * stderr takes xlefays bacon! :-(
[19:57:32] * xlefay is off to hiding.
[19:57:52] * xlefay is going to hide. *
[19:57:54] <xlefay> ciao :)
[19:57:58] <mattie_p> later
[19:58:54] <xlefay> btw, NC, mattie_p & stderr, I'm sorry! :(
[19:59:21] <mattie_p> you need to apologize to everyone, I think that's a global consequence
[19:59:31] * xlefay apologizes!
[20:00:07] <stderr> I have already taken your bacon. You're not getting it back any time soon!
[20:00:19] <xlefay> That's fine, I had Shoarma earlier.
[20:00:49] * mattie_p thinks he should apologize in channel :)
[20:00:59] <stderr> You're just saying that to get your bacon back. You can't fool me that easy...
[20:01:07] <xlefay> rofl
[20:01:07] * stderr agrees
[20:01:12] <xlefay> I just did.
[20:01:19] <stderr> Not this channel...
[20:01:26] <stderr> That channel!
[20:01:33] <mattie_p> ^^
[20:01:50] <xlefay> Done. Ciao!
[20:02:06] <stderr> Buh!!!
[20:02:09] <mattie_p> this guy has too many tricks
[20:02:19] <stderr> xlefay--
[20:02:20] <Juggalo> karma - xlefay: 44
[20:02:23] <xlefay> hey now
[20:02:24] <stderr> BaconServ--
[20:02:25] <Juggalo> karma - baconserv: -1
[20:02:26] <xlefay> be nice.
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[20:03:33] * xlefay pets BaconTree
[20:03:56] <xlefay> k gotta go for a bit [forreal!]; you guys be nice to each other now.
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[20:08:09] <stderr> xlefay fake-quit'ed... He's still in #irpg... Cheater... :-)
[20:09:59] <FatPhil> that's why he breaks quests
[20:11:27] <stderr> Anyway... I'm out for a while... See you...
[20:11:57] <mattie_p> well, if he didn't break it, I would have a few hours later
[20:12:08] <mattie_p> I'm just lucky he broke it first
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[20:51:16] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Super-Efficient Hard Drives - http://sylnt.us - you-spin-me-right-round
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[20:54:04] <useless> hoy
[20:59:50] <janrinok> hi useless
[21:09:40] <Khyber> oi ya useless fuck!
[21:09:43] <Khyber> o/
[21:13:25] <useless> heh
[21:14:12] <janrinok> lol
[21:14:51] <janrinok> Khyber: Subtelty is not your strongest point - effectiveness is, though!
[21:15:10] <Khyber> Subtlety is overrated.
[21:15:19] <janrinok> so it would seem
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[21:20:08] <Khyber> now where did I put my acetone?
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[21:22:05] * NCommander waves
[21:23:40] <janrinok> Hi NCommander
[21:24:26] <NCommander> That's really fucking creepy
[21:24:36] <janrinok> er, in what way?
[21:24:38] * NCommander just landed in Malaysia
[21:24:52] <janrinok> Yep, that's creepy!
[21:26:12] <Khyber> Quick go find yourself a god Malaysian ladyboy! Better than the Thai ones!
[21:26:51] <janrinok> There speaks the voice of experience...?
[21:28:00] <Khyber> Man I've done it all, literally. Herms, Trans, Ladybois, men, women, drag queens.
[21:28:12] <janrinok> You have led a full life.
[21:29:06] <Khyber> Nah, just one where I wasn't giving two fucks. More like giving ten fucks! :D
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[21:31:39] <paulej72> good day Dopefish
[21:32:59] <Dopefish> heyoo
[21:33:37] <janrinok> hi DF
[21:33:52] <Khyber> That reminds me. I've got this 8088 sitting here. I should toss DOS 6.22 on it and get Commander Keen installed for shits and giggles. Deal with TSRs and shit to make it run. xD
[21:34:04] <Khyber> ONE MEG OF RAM
[21:34:27] <janrinok> A full meg? Pffhp - back in my day etc...
[21:35:22] <Khyber> :P
[21:36:54] <Dopefish> lol
[21:37:05] <Dopefish> hi Janrinok
[21:37:10] <Dopefish> glad to see you're here
[21:37:28] <Dopefish> Khyber... I would recommend a 286 for commander keen
[21:37:37] <MrBluze|zzz> u can run doubledos on that
[21:37:41] <Dopefish> unless you want to use a NEC 8088 clocked at 8 MHz
[21:37:44] <Dopefish> that might work ok
[21:37:44] <MrBluze|zzz> but it will be slow as heck
[21:38:31] <Khyber> Intel. 10MHz.
[21:38:50] <MrBluze|zzz> turbo button
[21:39:08] <janrinok> Damn, that's racing along. Back in my day, Z80, 4MHz etc....
[21:39:12] <Dopefish> http://i.imgur.com
[21:39:22] <Dopefish> That's my boxed copy of Commander Keen
[21:40:22] <MrBluze|zzz> see ya ppl
[21:41:14] <janrinok> cu MrBluze|zzz
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[21:42:21] <Dopefish> I thought a reference Intel 8088 was clocked at 4.77MHz?
[21:44:10] <janrinok> Yeah, but he painted 'go-faster' stripes on it and put LEDs at either end..
[21:44:23] <paulej72> FYI I have test code up on slashcott.org with a new menu structure and a sane preferences layout. I have not finished the css to make the tabbed menus, but I do have it fuctional
[21:44:36] <Khyber> 5-10MHz is their speed
[21:45:36] <Khyber> Some NEC variants got up to 16MHz
[21:46:17] <janrinok> paulej72: looks good to me
[21:47:36] <Khyber> Bah, I like this theme but this red header bar needs to go the hell away.
[21:47:51] <Khyber> gonna hae to dig through the theme and see how it's doing this red gradient
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[21:51:08] <janrinok> The red gradient seems ok on my display. Is the colour you dislike, or is the gradient not showing up well?
[21:51:09] <Dopefish> hello LaminatorX
[21:51:16] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX
[21:51:22] <LaminatorX> Hellothere.
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[22:01:19] <paulej72> Khyber: the red is a 3 different images. I have not changed them as we have not officially chosen a skin for the site yet. Will probably use CSS to do any gradients in the future
[22:01:32] <Khyber> I'm not talking about Soylent
[22:01:42] <Khyber> I'm talking about one of my sites
[22:01:47] <Khyber> sorry fo the confusion
[22:03:40] <paulej72> Khyber: no problem I have been trying to figure out stuff on SN for weeks now, Still has hidden stuff that I can't find
[22:04:18] <arti> it's the secret menu
[22:04:43] <paulej72> I wish it was a secret menu I could find it then
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[22:05:41] <mattie_p> paulej72 what stuff specifically are you looking for?
[22:06:20] <paulej72> trying to track down the JS that sets font sizes for certain browsers
[22:07:22] <mattie_p> hrm
[22:07:38] <Khyber> could you not see that in the inspect element option of FireFox or other browsers?
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[22:08:12] <Alberto> sup amigos
[22:08:15] <paulej72> The browser ar on phones and small devices that do not have those types of tools
[22:08:31] <Khyber> ahhh
[22:08:45] <Khyber> hmmm time to go check on my extraction
[22:09:25] <Khyber> awesome, it's finished
[22:09:36] <Alberto> NCommander, are you there?
[22:10:46] <arti> khyber: tincture?
[22:10:53] <paulej72> Alberto: he is sitting in on the #editorial meeting
[22:10:55] <Khyber> No, raw wax
[22:10:55] <Dopefish> NCommander is around, but slow to respond
[22:11:08] <arti> nice
[22:11:13] <arti> greetings Alberto
[22:11:19] <Alberto> anyone who's in charge of the IRC?
[22:11:24] <Alberto> Mr Arti! how are you!
[22:11:29] <arti> xlefey? perhaps?
[22:11:41] <Alberto> he's not there
[22:11:45] <arti> i'm doing good, went to a big expo yesterday, not really feeling it again today
[22:11:46] <Alberto> here*
[22:11:55] <Alberto> maybe Landon is online here?
[22:12:04] <Alberto> arti, expo of what?
[22:12:34] <arti> natural products and what not, bamboo tooth brushes, coconut water, enzymes etc.
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[22:12:39] <arti> 2600 exhibitors
[22:12:40] <Alberto> oh
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[22:13:16] <arti> found some cool soaps there, but that's not really my "oh cool" thing, more like "well... maybe my buddy's wife can ask her friends if they'll pay this much and i'll buy a box"
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[22:13:54] <Alberto> i prefer to do my own natural stuff
[22:14:08] <Alberto> related to vegis etc*
[22:14:12] <arti> i like seeing what the industry is up to
[22:14:25] <arti> always find a couple of cool products there
[22:14:26] <Alberto> never seen bamboo tooth brushes
[22:14:46] <arti> yeah, there is manufacturing there too, big machines that do pills and bottling
[22:14:47] <Alberto> just golled that, dunno whats better for real
[22:14:54] <Alberto> googled*
[22:14:56] <arti> contract manufacturers as well
[22:15:23] <arti> how are you today?
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[22:15:42] <Alberto> fine, boring day
[22:15:57] <Alberto> thinking what i can do then ended here lol
[22:16:33] <arti> i enjoy boring days
[22:16:36] <arti> beats drama
[22:16:39] * xlefay notes Bootstrap saves one a whole lot of crappy CSS work to do.
[22:16:44] <arti> yes
[22:16:51] <arti> grid systems are awesome
[22:17:08] <arti> the chief complaint is that people don't style it up enough so it looks like bootstrap everywhere
[22:17:09] <xlefay> Indeed they are, combine that with bootswatch and you're set to do actual development ;)
[22:17:19] <Alberto> xlefay, try PureCSS
[22:17:23] <Alberto> is far better
[22:17:45] <xlefay> arti: I'm the chief :P so that saves me a whole lot of crap
[22:17:48] <arti> i like bootstrap for the wealth of widgets, but foundation is really awesome
[22:17:50] <swiss> xlefay: hi
[22:18:03] <swiss> xlefay: did you see http://securityblog.ch
[22:18:11] <Alberto> xlefay, you arein charge of the IRC server?
[22:18:21] <swiss> whoa
[22:18:24] <swiss> it got accepted
[22:19:03] <xlefay> Alberto: more people know Bootstrap than PureCSS, so I'd rather pay a freelancer to spice up the bootstrap design if it's ever needed then pay for spicing it up + for them to get familiar with purecss ;)
[22:19:15] <xlefay> you wrote that eh swiss?
[22:19:24] <swiss> xlefay: yarp
[22:19:44] <xlefay> Alberto: that all depends on what you're going to say next. ;)
[22:19:55] <xlefay> swiss++ awesome!
[22:19:55] <Juggalo> karma - swiss: 4
[22:20:02] <arti> swiss, i nixed the version numbers and the prodtoken stuff :)
[22:20:14] <swiss> that's fine :)
[22:20:29] <Alberto> xlefay, can i link a server here? no users at all, just to help with the irc load.
[22:20:32] <arti> and default denied the dir lists, grudgingly
[22:20:43] <swiss> arti: wait, in ccdc?
[22:20:54] <arti> nope, just in general
[22:20:59] <swiss> oh
[22:20:59] <swiss> lol
[22:21:05] <arti> you had made a comment :)
[22:21:10] <swiss> i think our bind version would say "fuckoff" on it :P
[22:21:30] * arti has been fiddling with chrome to patch the useragent string
[22:21:34] <arti> i want it gone entirely
[22:21:41] <swiss> lol
[22:22:08] <arti> ridiculous how much shit it spews
[22:22:20] <arti> it's like info silly string on the web
[22:22:21] <swiss> yaeh
[22:23:06] <arti> how's your day going?
[22:23:10] <Alberto> arti you want to remove the ua from Chrome? o.O
[22:23:13] <swiss> its okay, still sick :(
[22:23:23] <arti> alberto: indeed, simply because it's possible
[22:23:33] <arti> also, nobody needs to know what shit i've got installed
[22:23:36] <Juggalo> [poutine] http://www.cbc.ca
[22:23:41] <arti> LOL
[22:23:47] <Alberto> arti init chrome with --user-agent "Fuck off" then BP and patch? or browse the code and remove it? :P
[22:24:05] <arti> smart man
[22:24:21] <arti> should make a "chrome trainer" lol
[22:24:31] <xlefay> Alberto, I appreciate the offer but I'll have to decline. We topped at around 120 users in total, we already have two servers and one of those will be removed from the rotation because it's pointless. For now, we'll be fine. Again, thank you.
[22:24:57] <arti> but but but netsplits
[22:25:08] <arti> wait, so you want more clones, is that right?
[22:26:43] <Alberto> xlefay, i wanted that bcz i'm on Mexico and your IRC kick me off dunno why but on other's networks doesn't happen
[22:26:57] <arti> alberto, bnc?
[22:27:38] <Alberto> maybe
[22:27:53] <Alberto> but will be the same if i get a connection reset by peer
[22:29:02] <arti> bnc from elsewhere i mean
[22:29:24] <arti> there are plenty of cheap vps out there, couple bucks a month
[22:29:35] <Alberto> i got over 8 dedis
[22:29:43] <arti> need one more
[22:29:43] <Alberto> i can run a psyBNC no issues with that
[22:29:49] <Alberto> :P
[22:29:51] <arti> over 9 dedis
[22:29:56] * arti hangs head in shame
[22:30:03] <Alberto> lol
[22:30:35] <Juggalo> [SoylentNews] - Most Red Dwarf Stars Have at least One Planet - http://sylnt.us - cold-outside-with-no-kind-of-atmosphere
[22:31:23] <xlefay> Alberto: then I suggest you do that instead. - Soon, an IRCd will be set up on a Soylent server and linked to this one, my secondary server will be de-linked and we'll still end up with two servers, which should be more then enough connectivity.
[22:31:59] <Alberto> arti if you need some vps tell me i have enoguh space and micro
[22:32:04] <Alberto> not using any over 2 years
[22:32:11] <Alberto> i just doing experiments
[22:32:42] <arti> i've got plenty ^^
[22:32:50] <arti> thank you though
[22:32:56] <xlefay> As far as your connectivity problem, I suggest you do some traceroutes, and such and you'll find it's probably on your side (otherwise most people here would constantly be faced with such an issue).
[22:33:07] <xlefay> swiss: very interesting post, kudos! :)
[22:33:44] <swiss> thanks :)
[22:34:17] <arti> yeah swiss, seems like a good way to vet your processes
[22:34:52] <xlefay> Just curious, was unplugging it not going to be enough?
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[22:35:58] <arti> why not just run a bunch of faux services, have it spit out different version numbers upon request
[22:36:32] <swiss> xlefay: need to run the services
[22:36:47] <xlefay> Or switch to another network segment and let the other team go crazy trying to find it. ;)
[22:36:56] <Alberto> arti, at chrome code net/spdy/hpack_encoding_context.cc "user-agent" found it! :P
[22:37:05] <xlefay> swiss: yeah was kidding about unplugging ;)
[22:37:43] <Khyber> Damnit this sucks. I had to unplug al of my headers to fit this 9800GTX+ on the mobo. Stupid ASUS mini-ITX design.
[22:37:50] <Khyber> no front ports at all
[22:37:59] <xlefay> Though, it's still very neat. But Roundcube :/
[22:38:00] <arti> Alberto: nice!
[22:38:09] <arti> roundpube
[22:38:42] <xlefay> arti: as for clones, yes, we've got a ton of those here.
[22:39:03] <arti> there's only one actually
[22:39:07] * arti looks at FoobarBazbot_
[22:39:13] * xlefay looks at Konomi
[22:39:16] <xlefay> see, more than one. ;)
[22:39:26] <arti> konomi's hostmask isn't a duplicate
[22:39:42] <xlefay> Actually, yes, it is.
[22:39:49] <Khyber> hmm, I wonder if I could take my dremel, pop on a cutting wheel, cut the pins to half height, and cut the header pin blocks to half height...
[22:40:07] <arti> whose is it supposed to be a duplicate of?
[22:40:17] <xlefay> Konomi <-> KonomiNetbook
[22:40:21] <xlefay> Sorry for them highlights.
[22:40:48] <arti> this means my code is bugged, fuck
[22:40:52] <xlefay> and there are quite a few more clones connected
[22:41:07] * xlefay is to lazy to find the exact number network wide
[22:41:12] <xlefay> so you'll have to take my word for it
[22:41:14] <arti> no worries
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[22:42:13] <xlefay> SedBot !
[22:42:14] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[22:42:55] <xlefay> 'casein >"/dev/stderr";' rofl
[22:44:25] <FoobarBazbot> ?
[22:44:34] <arti> you were being used as an example
[22:45:03] <FoobarBazbot> I see that, I'm just not sure what about that code fragment is funny?
[22:45:58] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot: nvm. I'm stupid only just realized stderr was an actual /dev/stderr >.<
[22:46:56] <FoobarBazbot> well, actually, it's specially interpreted by awk, so even on systems without /dev/stderr, it goes to f.d. 2
[22:47:22] <FoobarBazbot> but yeah
[22:48:31] <xlefay> nice
[22:48:36] <xlefay> swiss: http://securityblog.ch you sir are evil
[22:49:12] <swiss> xlefay: thanks
[22:49:18] <xlefay> haha :p
[22:49:23] <swiss> xlefay: https://github.com
[22:49:26] <swiss> me and a friend made that
[22:49:33] * xlefay starts removing my bash aliases...
[22:51:42] * FoobarBazbot_ has never heard of "black team", but it sure sounds fun...
[22:52:37] <arti> swiss, is that your wordpress?
[22:53:00] <swiss> arti: yeah
[22:53:17] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot_: "Black Team – Responsible for providing and maintaining the competition infrastructure & systems. Working with White Team, the Black Team monitors the services and troubleshoots specific equipment issues of the Blue Teams. "
[22:53:17] <arti> ah, very cool. i'm surprised you don't rock octopress
[22:53:20] <xlefay> http://www.wrccdc.org!rules/c24v0
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[22:56:37] <swiss> arti: wordpress is easy enough
[23:02:54] <kobach> xlefay: fairly sure i am indeed going to hate you when i read back
[23:03:05] <xlefay> oops
[23:03:18] * arti predicts a future sith lord
[23:03:35] <xlefay> You know what, I actually just remembered I have to be someplace ;)
[23:04:55] * Alberto installing ZNC
[23:05:24] <xlefay> :)
[23:05:24] <kobach> yea im sure you did
[23:05:33] <xlefay> rofl 'did' :P
[23:05:50] <xlefay> kobach: how about.. we blame poutine?
[23:05:56] <kobach> sure
[23:06:10] * xlefay wonders if paulej72 is here
[23:06:12] * BaconTree waves its leaves in the wind
[23:06:22] <paulej72> yes
[23:06:28] <xlefay> !kobach poutine? :)
[23:06:29] * kobach slaps xlefay, paulej72, martyb, and Konomi
[23:06:50] <xlefay> hey, why did I have to be first?
[23:06:52] <kobach> no, you are not having my nickname for any command other than /kill or /gline
[23:07:06] <kobach> or ill /gline kobach :p
[23:07:17] <paulej72> lol
[23:07:21] <xlefay> Feel free to try and /gline yourself here ;)
[23:07:25] <kobach> and thatll be the end of that
[23:07:34] * xlefay notes /gline doesn't work here.
[23:07:50] <kobach> kline?
[23:08:04] <xlefay> Yes, you can k-line locally, network wide, etc..
[23:08:12] <kobach> gline would be network wide
[23:08:20] <kobach> kline is local
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[23:09:17] * kobach notes its almost 420 somewhere...here
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[23:09:54] <xlefay> Actually.. gline is a shitty made up line that someone made
[23:09:56] <xlefay> >.<
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[23:10:22] <kobach> There is a freak conjunction of highly improbable coincidences. You have found the Deathstation 3139 processor! Your rivals simply cannot compile their code for your platform.
[23:10:25] <kobach> rofl
[23:10:27] <kobach> ^5 FatPhil
[23:10:38] <xlefay> kobach: http://www.stack.nl
[23:10:42] <kobach> You found a level 40 graphics card. Your current graphics card is level 51 psychic graphics card which predicts what you want to see next, so it seems Luck is against you. You toss the graphics card.
[23:10:55] <kobach> xlefay: yea yea yea ill read it when i get around to it
[23:11:49] <kobach> for now im going back to watching youtube, let the blame game calm down
[23:12:12] <xlefay> Ok, that means you won't be klining yourself anytime soon.
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[23:12:23] <xlefay> s/kli/k:li/
[23:12:23] <SedBot> <xlefay> Ok, that means you won't be k:lining yourself anytime soon.
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[23:15:11] <Alberto> great
[23:15:20] <Alberto> got my ZNC wrking
[23:15:27] <Alberto> hope this fix my reset by peer problem
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[23:49:18] <Khyber> http://www.wired.com - this is fucking awesome
[23:50:33] <Cactus> Submit it, Khyber!
[23:50:48] <Khyber> I suck at story submissions XD
[23:50:52] <Khyber> someone else can claim it
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