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[00:15:38] <Khyber> don't fall for the credit company's mindgames
[00:15:43] <Khyber> keep that train of thought
[00:16:00] <n1> a credit limit isn't a target
[00:16:18] <n1> the target should be to use 0 of it
[00:17:16] * Khyber has been totally credit-card free for 32 years
[00:17:33] <n1> nice
[00:18:08] <n1> i have been mostly, although i have a company credit card now, which is unavoidable sadly, cash flow etc
[00:18:36] <n1> only things i have put on my personal credit card was a dentist bill and car insurance
[00:19:05] <Khyber> well later on those sorts of payments might come in handy when you want a loan for your own house
[00:19:09] <Khyber> or second house, whichever
[00:19:23] <Khyber> but most other uses are frivolous and really do nothing fo your credit
[00:19:50] <n1> heh, second house
[00:19:59] <n1> i cant even forsee a first house
[00:20:54] <Khyber> heh, when you're paying $1060 monthly rent and can see $700 monthly mortgages, house ownership suddenly gets that much closer.
[00:21:46] <useless> wish I could see 1060 rents
[00:21:50] <n1> house prices here average around $800,000
[00:21:57] <n1> useless, i agree
[00:22:21] <Khyber> damn, and I'm in SoCal near LA.
[00:22:24] <n1> studio apartments from about $1400pcm
[00:22:27] <useless> without having 5 roomates, that is
[00:22:46] <Khyber> damn, 2bd 2bth here
[00:22:50] <Khyber> fairly huge porch
[00:22:55] <n1> $700 if sharing a house with 5 strangers
[00:22:58] <Khyber> about 2/3 the size of the actual apartment
[00:23:10] <Khyber> jesus christget your as out to Riverside
[00:23:11] <useless> 2350 1 1/2 bed
[00:23:16] <Khyber> well make sure you gota job nearby first :D
[00:23:28] <n1> i'm in London
[00:23:34] <Khyber> and people say California's expensive. WTF
[00:23:40] <useless> just left NYC
[00:23:47] <n1> it's a catch 22, no work elsewhere, too expensive to live here
[00:23:55] * useless nods
[00:24:12] <kobach> lol
[00:24:18] <n1> obviously similar situation, useless
[00:24:37] <useless> yeah, moved back to Boston, but it ain't much better
[00:24:56] <useless> though the NYC apt was pretty sweet
[00:25:31] <n1> i'll do anything i can to avoid throwing money into an apartment rent, or indeed buying a small apartment on the 7th floor of some shithole housing estate
[00:25:38] <n1> for probably $500,000
[00:25:56] <useless> yeah, going to be a bit more stingy this time around
[00:26:50] <n1> if the market crashes i will reconsider, but the chances of that happening in the near future arn't that high
[00:27:07] <n1> as the UK economy only works on the financial services, and the inflated property values its tied to
[00:27:25] <n1> so it's not in the 'economic interests' of the country for housing to be affordable
[00:27:40] <useless> of course
[00:29:01] <Khyber> Sadly the UK has not seen the city project done where it turned out cheaper to buy the homeless homes instead of providing them housing services through non-profit midway/halfway housing and such.
[00:29:20] <Khyber> Though, I've seen it and it's not that impressive, but it did at least put some of them back onto their feet.
[00:29:51] <n1> well, they kind of did it, since there was a big push some years ago for the people in the 'council houses' to buy them
[00:30:09] <n1> but thats not quite the same, and they didnt bother replacing them
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[00:30:37] <n1> and the people that bought their houses really cheap, cashed in, and left the pool of affordable housing even less than it was
[00:30:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Recommending Linux to a Friend - http://sylnt.us - no-need-to-join-the-microsoft-collective
[00:30:44] <n1> and ive had first hand experience of the new way they're doing it
[00:30:56] <n1> property developer wants to build 200 luxury apartments
[00:31:11] <n1> they have to put in 50 'council' properties also
[00:31:11] <useless> sounds familiar
[00:31:23] <n1> but these are of a far lower standard than the 'luxury' ones which are also shit
[00:31:35] <n1> they look like run down projects before theyve even been moved into
[00:32:17] <n1> because done as cheap as possible, and you have to go through the 'side' entrance, to get to these properties
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[00:32:45] <n1> out one door, where a security guard sits in a very nicely finished lobby area
[00:33:00] <n1> into the side door, where it's strip lighting, concrete and a splash of white paint where they have to
[00:33:23] <LaminatorX_> Dangit. I'mm still logged n at the office.
[00:33:26] <useless> that's fucked
[00:34:33] <n1> but providing those properties means that companies can still find people to work for below living wage
[00:34:44] <n1> because the state funds their housing
[00:34:47] <LaminatorX_> Is there an op around who could ghost me so that I might log in properly at home?
[00:34:53] <n1> and the situation continues
[00:35:00] <LaminatorX_> Me without the underscore that is.
[00:35:10] <n1> ghost yourself?
[00:35:29] <LaminatorX_> I'll try.
[00:35:30] <n1> /msg nickserv ghost LaminatorX password
[00:35:59] <LaminatorX_> Ah, I didn't realize I could do that while in this not-me state. Thanks.
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[00:36:21] <Khyber> hunter2
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[00:36:46] <n1> all good now?
[00:36:49] <Khyber> there ya go
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[00:36:54] <LaminatorX> Indeed, thanks again.
[00:36:57] <n1> np
[00:37:57] <useless> nl: do people actually rent the 'luxury' apts?
[00:38:06] <n1> oh yeah of course
[00:38:21] <n1> i had a client talking to me about some recently
[00:38:38] <n1> pays over $400 a month in 'fees'
[00:39:05] <n1> he thinks its great
[00:39:07] <useless> while a side entrance guy pays that total
[00:39:27] <n1> not sure to be honest, it gets quite complicated
[00:39:32] <n1> but i would bet it's more than that
[00:39:40] <n1> probably twice, before adding in other things
[00:39:41] <useless> *nod* just generalizing
[00:39:58] <n1> it would still be less than half the rent for 'luxury'
[00:40:29] <n1> i recently did some work for someone who's renting a 2bed 'house' that is literally a few feet from train tracks
[00:40:41] <n1> $2700 a month
[00:40:49] <useless> yeah, have some of those type things here. "Rent Controlled" apts. Difference is they are old/grandfathered rents. Not new constructons
[00:41:27] <useless> part of the cause why rents are high
[00:42:02] <n1> the new constructions are terrible, plasterboard everywhere, walking through the hallways, your steps vibrating through the walls
[00:42:28] <n1> hearing the neighbours close their kitchen units and move around
[00:42:39] <useless> that's some 'luxury'
[00:42:41] <n1> and paying the $$$$ for that 'luxury' feel at the same time
[00:42:42] <n1> yup
[00:42:55] <n1> because you know, stainless and brushed steel appliances
[00:42:59] <n1> fake oak doors
[00:43:02] <useless> note to self: don't move to London
[00:43:14] <n1> i'll be moving out as soon as i can
[00:43:24] <n1> i'll live on the road if i have to
[00:43:39] <useless> heh, that good, huh?
[00:43:54] <n1> i dont like the concrete and greyness of it all
[00:44:00] <n1> the traffic and stress
[00:44:14] <n1> it makes me sad :(
[00:44:39] <useless> I prefer cities, but the hood needs to have charactor
[00:45:00] <n1> i like access to cities, London has some great things going for it
[00:46:05] <useless> yeah, but don't the bars close at 11 or something?
[00:46:18] <n1> in London?
[00:46:21] <n1> or elsewhere
[00:46:22] <useless> yeah
[00:46:27] <n1> them rules changed
[00:46:39] <n1> in the UK now places can get licences for however long they want
[00:46:54] <n1> many 'pubs' now have 'last orders' at midnight or 1am on weekends
[00:46:55] <useless> ah, good to know
[00:47:34] <n1> i cant justify the $7 a beer though
[00:48:06] <useless> just have to get to know the staff
[00:48:34] <n1> yeah, thats why i used to go to pubs, because i knew the staff
[00:48:47] <n1> but things are getting squeezes now, pubs are closing every day apprently
[00:49:04] <n1> "Camra calls for Government help as almost 30 pubs close every week"
[00:49:09] <n1> that was 2 days ago
[00:49:10] <useless> meep
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[00:49:28] <useless> ya'll need to drink more ;)
[00:49:50] <n1> drinking just as much, if not more than before
[00:49:59] <n1> but buying bulk from supermarkets
[00:50:28] <useless> yeah
[00:51:11] <n1> 20 cans for £13
[00:51:23] <useless> or 2 in the pub...
[00:51:24] <n1> like 15oz
[00:51:31] <n1> 20x15oz
[00:51:41] <useless> for the same price
[00:51:59] <n1> probably get 3x20oz
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[00:52:02] <n1> in the pub
[00:52:40] <useless> crazy. Do you have 'happy hours' over there?
[00:52:55] <n1> not really
[00:53:16] <n1> i dont know anywhere that does, i dont think they're even allowed to do it
[00:53:22] <n1> as it would encourage irresponsible drinking
[00:53:23] <useless> that's sad
[00:53:29] <useless> heh
[00:53:40] <useless> yeah, I can see the govt. doing that
[00:53:42] <n1> £5 for beer and a burger is about as good as it gets, at Wetherspoons..
[00:54:05] <Popeidol> guys, let me tell you just how lucky you are
[00:54:18] <n1> go for it!
[00:54:22] <useless> shoot
[00:54:39] <Popeidol> where I am, I'm lucky to get an $8 pint
[00:54:49] <Popeidol> which is about $7 USD
[00:55:01] <useless> yeah, that's about the price
[00:55:09] <kobach> lol
[00:55:12] <n1> where you at, Popeidol
[00:55:16] <Popeidol> (or 4.30GBP)
[00:55:20] <Popeidol> Western Australia
[00:55:25] <lhnn> n1 - as it would encourage irresponsible drinking - That's fucked up
[00:55:28] <n1> yeah but Australia makes it a win
[00:55:30] <Popeidol> but some pubs charge up to $16, and not for the fancy drinks
[00:55:37] <Popeidol> just for an ordinary beer
[00:55:37] <n1> i paid so much for booze in aus
[00:55:41] <kobach> oh my
[00:55:41] <n1> but it was worth every penny
[00:55:50] <n1> <3 carlton draught
[00:55:53] <useless> now that's nuts
[00:55:57] <lhnn> I loathe excessive government 'behavioral modification' programs
[00:56:31] <useless> got places that do $20 coctails, but those are the annoying hipster bars
[00:57:03] <n1> i've paid $10 for a double jd+coke
[00:57:05] <Khyber> bitch come to my place I'll get you $0.50 16oz cocktails and weed.
[00:57:05] <n1> from a regular pub
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[00:57:34] <useless> Khyber: where's that?
[00:57:38] <Khyber> Cali
[00:57:49] <useless> north or south?
[00:58:12] <Khyber> South. Asstip of the Mojave
[00:58:38] <useless> Lived in SFO for a bit, and worked out of La Jolla another time
[00:58:55] <Khyber> I'm sitting at Mt. Rubidoux's base
[00:59:26] <useless> ahh, nice
[00:59:46] <Khyber> Indeed. Quick 2 minute hike and I'm starting up the mountain
[01:00:04] <Khyber> twenty later, I've got the whole valley
[01:00:31] <n1> im jealous
[01:00:52] <n1> 2minute hike and im getting run over on a highway
[01:00:59] <useless> hehe
[01:01:37] <Khyber> here have a video! http://www.youtube.com
[01:02:43] <n1> not bad
[01:03:27] <useless> sweet
[01:03:39] <useless> (damn preview not working...)
[01:04:11] <Khyber> and that is what it looks like almost year-round
[01:04:18] <n1> i get all blah when i have to drive out of London for meetings or other work
[01:04:22] <Khyber> minus a couple weeks of rain
[01:04:28] <useless> yeah, you don't really have seasons
[01:04:36] <n1> suddenly seeing fields and trees and stuff
[01:05:17] <useless> that would kill me...need my snow
[01:05:29] <n1> fuck snow lol
[01:05:33] <useless> hehe
[01:11:10] <kobach> fuck snow
[01:11:55] <kobach> sup Khyber
[01:11:57] <useless> feel weird if I go too long without either the cold or seeing the ocean
[01:12:43] <Khyber> nada, just laughing as I was sent home early cuz nothing else to do. Someone spreads rumor I got fired. I call the big boss cuz I know he'll level with me. 'Assholes will be assholes. See you tomorrow.'
[01:12:55] <kobach> lol
[01:13:06] <Khyber> I don't have seasons because I'm in the middle of everything, almost
[01:13:15] <Khyber> snow-coated mountains to the east
[01:13:18] <Khyber> ocean to the west
[01:13:22] <Khyber> desert north
[01:13:28] <Khyber> subtropical/tropical valey to the south
[01:13:37] <Khyber> plus tons of tequila in that direction
[01:13:43] <kobach> lol
[01:13:46] <Khyber> all 2 or less hours away no matterhow you look at it
[01:13:50] <useless> always a bonus
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[01:15:00] <Khyber> I can be at Big Bear in 1:50. SantaMonica Pier in 1:40 is traffic ain't fucked. Mexico in 1:20, San Diego in roughly the same amount of time going the most direct route, Barstow/Lucerne in about 70 minutes.
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[01:16:11] <kobach> lol
[01:16:20] <kobach> mexico is about 20hrs for me
[01:16:26] <kobach> canada about 10
[01:17:46] <kobach> chicago 6 little rock 6 dallas 9 kansas city 3.5
[01:18:02] <kobach> indianapolis 6 i think
[01:18:06] <kobach> memphis 6
[01:18:19] <kobach> hours
[01:18:38] <kobach> winnipeg is 16 windsor is 10
[01:18:57] <kobach> milwaukee 7
[01:19:09] <kobach> des moines 6
[01:19:19] <Khyber> FUCK MEMPHIS
[01:19:22] <kobach> ^
[01:19:28] <kobach> thtas why i listed it lol
[01:19:32] <useless> fuck little rock
[01:19:36] <kobach> agreed
[01:19:48] <Khyber> lil cock and west memphrica too
[01:20:07] <kobach> austin is about 14
[01:20:58] <kobach> denver 13
[01:21:10] <kobach> yup
[01:21:21] <Khyber> austin's okay but Corpus Christi is far better
[01:21:25] <Khyber> that and Port Aransas
[01:22:09] <lhnn> khyber lives in Austin?
[01:22:40] <Khyber> No, but I'm a Texas native
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[01:25:21] <Cryptobandar> Yo
[01:25:29] <useless> heya
[01:26:01] <Cryptobandar> How are you guys?
[01:27:50] <useless> chillin'
[01:35:41] <Cryptobandar> Quiet today.
[01:37:00] <useless> you just missed it ;)
[01:37:36] <Cryptobandar> Heh, must have heard I was coming.
[01:38:01] <useless> oh, totally.
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[02:18:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Colostomy bag.
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[02:21:33] <useless> uhm...ok
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[02:31:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast to Turn Your Home into a Public Hot Spot - http://sylnt.us - what-could-possibly-go-wrong
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[03:01:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Lunar Space Elevator - http://sylnt.us - rocket-man-no-more
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[03:30:22] <lhnn> So... why did SN stand its own IRC up? couldn't Freenode have kept hosting it on ##soylent or something?
[03:33:32] <SpallsHurgenson> control and liability, wasn't it? Plus some ideas about linking website and IRC accounts, I think.
[03:34:21] <MrBluze> basically
[03:34:34] <MrBluze> it's not set in stone i guess
[03:34:36] <MrBluze> we can always change
[03:35:00] * SpallsHurgenson is to lazy to find the SN story posted a few days ago about it
[03:36:58] <lhnn> I don't really care
[03:37:04] <lhnn> er, it doesn't matter so to say
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[03:40:06] <SpallsHurgenson> good, then I can continue to be lazy without worrying too much about it :)
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[03:41:59] <MrBluze> i dont really mind but at the moment this is working fine
[03:42:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Resignation - http://sylnt.us - not-kim-jung-un
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[03:53:47] <SpallsHurgenson> well, good luck to Barrabas; he did a hell of a job getting Soylent up and running. No surprise he burnt out though.
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[03:56:31] <MrBluze> yeah
[03:56:41] <MrBluze> he's done a good job
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[04:00:25] <SpallsHurgenson> hopefully he can put this experience to good use, get a new job out of it. I hear Dice is looking for someone to redesign a tech community website ;-)
[04:01:25] <Popeidol> some serious shit going down in soylent today
[04:01:46] <Popeidol> I presume this is the right time to stage a coup
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[04:02:27] <Popeidol> s/coup/soup
[04:02:28] * SedBot offers Popeidol a /
[04:02:32] <Popeidol> s/coup/soup/
[04:02:33] <SedBot> <Popeidol> I presume this is the right time to stage a soup
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[04:05:54] <SpallsHurgenson> depends on the soup, I suppose
[04:07:31] * SpallsHurgenson could never follow a Minestrone overlord, for instance
[04:11:06] <SpallsHurgenson> (for reasons that are surely completely obvious to everyone)
[04:17:25] <SpallsHurgenson> tonight's endlessly-looping-through-my-head song: Faith of the Heart (Star Trek Enterprise theme song)
[04:23:09] <FrogBlast> Mine seems to be named "Les tringles des sistres tintaient," from Carmen.
[04:24:10] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm pretty sure the part of my brain that selects music is waging some sort of psychological warefare on the other parts of my brain
[04:30:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I am beginning to have bizarre musical cravings
[04:35:21] <Landon> ok perl gurus
[04:35:29] <Landon> I've got a question that popped up in another channel
[04:35:33] <Landon> and I want to see how common this is
[04:35:52] <Landon> sub foo ( $$$;$ ) {
[04:35:56] <Landon> wtf does that mean
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[04:48:07] <SpallsHurgenson> how can that be Perl; it's not perfectly unintelligble gibberish!
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[04:48:52] <VitaminR> hi all Roey here.
[04:49:05] <VitaminR> stderr: o/
[04:49:15] <stderr> \o
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[04:50:26] <stderr> Landon: The function foo() takes three scalars as input... What's so hard about that?
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[04:50:58] <Landon> apparently it takes 3 scalars and a 4th optional
[04:51:12] * Konomi nods
[04:51:16] <Landon> it's so horribly ungoogleable
[04:51:22] <Konomi> is that the new perl?
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[04:52:19] <FrogBlas_> Wait, wait... almost done being an idiot...
[04:52:22] <Konomi> never seen anyone specific what their function accepts
[04:52:22] <stderr> A semicolon (";") separates mandatory arguments from optional
[04:52:22] <stderr> arguments. It is redundant before "@" or "%", which gobble up
[04:52:22] <stderr> everything else.
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[04:52:31] <stderr> From man perlsub
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[04:52:50] <Landon> stderr: it's something I'd accept from brainfuck/malbolge
[04:52:51] <Konomi> just generally use the magical _@ for my stuff
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[04:53:04] <Konomi> perl is odd on syntax
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[04:53:09] <Konomi> but it's all scalers generally
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[04:53:15] <stderr> BTW: That's the man page for perl v5.10.1... Not new...
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[04:54:21] <Konomi> stderr: yeah never seen anyone specific the data their subs take in perl shrug ;p
[04:54:23] <stderr> In perl 5.20 (Or was it 5.18?) you can name you arguments... I think it's something like sub foo($bar,$baz,$qux) { ... }
[04:54:27] <Konomi> none of the code I have touched does
[04:54:36] <Konomi> just generally thet use @_
[04:54:53] <stderr> Then you don't need the my $bar=shift; my $baz=shift; my ... or the my ($bar,$baz,$qux)=@_;
[04:55:16] <stderr> Konomi: You never seen any of mine then. :-)
[04:55:21] <Konomi> ;p
[04:55:50] <stderr> I think you need it if you "use strict;" and/or "use warnings;".
[04:56:06] <stderr> Or "use common::sense;" (No, that name is NOT a joke...)
[04:56:46] <Konomi> I always have strict on
[04:56:57] <stderr> I used to use strict; use warnings; Now I just use common::sense;
[04:56:58] <Konomi> and warnings ;p
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[05:10:33] <xlefay> crutchy?
[05:11:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Way to Detect the Elusive Graviton - http://sylnt.us - It-all-started-with-an-apple
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[05:12:49] <lhnn> Question
[05:12:56] <stderr> Answer
[05:13:09] <lhnn> does anyone work in large IT departments? Does anyone have split management infrastructure for each datacenter they operate?
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[05:14:34] <lhnn> No? That's what I thought, because that would be /stupid/
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[05:20:16] <lhnn> You push ONE update that incidentally blocks BGP company-wide and the availability folks go /nuts/
[05:22:21] <SirFinkus> you meant working for large IT departments?
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[05:22:36] <lhnn> surew
[05:22:38] <lhnn> -w
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[05:35:15] <pbnjoe> Oh jeez, SN's already burned Barrabas out? :(
[05:36:06] <Landon> !suggestion like thius?
[05:36:08] <Bender> Suggestion sent!
[05:36:18] <lhnn> It's called triage
[05:36:31] <lhnn> hint: Everything from IRC starts at low
[05:37:02] <juggs> pbnjoe, it's tough at the top.
[05:37:55] <lhnn> Was barrabas the original starter of all this? The domain owner, host, etc?
[05:38:24] <juggs> AFAIK he's the one that stumped up the readies to fund the whole venture.
[05:38:55] <juggs> And put the energy into organising the cohorts to get it to where it is now.
[05:38:57] <pbnjoe> juggs, yeah, it seems to be. Hopefully all this amounts to is just what has happened, that being a change in the head
[05:41:33] <pbnjoe> but it's not much of a mood booster :\
[05:41:55] <juggs> pbnjoe, We will no doubt see when NCommander reveals his "vision". Whether that will be some tangential change of direction or a radical deviation to a completely different model has yet to be seen.
[05:42:40] * SpallsHurgenson recommends some sort of pre-emptive panic
[05:43:25] <Popeidol> I second that
[05:43:33] <pbnjoe> SpallsHurgenson, you're not far off. I'm not a man that likes change, if me jumping off the changing /. ship onto this wasn't enough of an indication
[05:43:40] <pbnjoe> especially change with no benefit
[05:43:49] <pbnjoe> change for the sake of change if you will
[05:43:54] <Popeidol> we cant let his reassuring comments stand in the way of our screaming
[05:44:02] <pbnjoe> hahaha
[05:44:08] <SpallsHurgenson> can we muster up some non-specific outrage as well?
[05:44:27] <lhnn> SoylentNews. a Dice Company
[05:44:28] <Popeidol> down with this sort of thing!
[05:44:29] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, absolutely. I find it most cathartic to run around shouting "We're all DOOMED I tell ye. DOOMED!"
[05:44:57] <SpallsHurgenson> that's the sort of forward thinking initative that takes you places!
[05:45:17] <SirFinkus> the site seems to be running fairly well so far, I'll be happy if it continues like this
[05:45:27] <pbnjoe> ^
[05:45:32] <pbnjoe> as will I
[05:45:33] <SirFinkus> idk how the backend is running, but the user experience is pretty good
[05:45:42] <Popeidol> but more seriously, have a read of ncommander's comments on that article
[05:45:50] <Popeidol> he's already indicated that we're pretty definitely going non-profit
[05:46:01] <SpallsHurgenson> SirFinkus: that's the sort of calm , considered discussion that we are truying to avoid
[05:46:14] <SirFinkus> oh
[05:46:19] <SirFinkus> SOYLENT NEWS IS DYING
[05:46:22] <SirFinkus> THEYVE SOLD OUT
[05:46:22] <pbnjoe> RUN
[05:46:29] <SirFinkus> WEB 3.0
[05:46:30] <Popeidol> has netcraft confirmed it?
[05:46:34] <pbnjoe> DICE BOUGHT SN
[05:46:51] <pbnjoe> now wouldn't ^ get some people disgruntled
[05:47:02] <SirFinkus> I've got worse
[05:47:08] <SirFinkus> MS BUYS SN
[05:47:26] <Popeidol> apple buys SN
[05:47:27] <pbnjoe> STORIES NOW DISPLAYED AS TILES
[05:47:31] <Popeidol> with bitcoin
[05:47:51] <Popeidol> new slogan: 'all apple and bitcoin stories, all the time'
[05:48:05] <pbnjoe> but seriously, I'll be keeping strong with SN provided it stays the course or makes minimal changes
[05:48:31] <pbnjoe> if it becomes a radical new thing, well, that's not what I'm here for
[05:48:43] <SirFinkus> it scratches the slashdot itch
[05:49:03] <SpallsHurgenson> you can get a prescription for that these days.
[05:49:33] <SirFinkus> I hear heroin will scratch any itch
[05:49:40] <pbnjoe> yeah, it's called Soylentripizine
[05:49:56] <pbnjoe> or heroin, I guess
[05:50:07] <Bender> [poutine] LOL at Barabbas leaving
[05:50:22] <Bender> [poutine] I told you so all around
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[05:50:57] <juggs> ancientt, I think you nailed it with your comment to Barrabas resignation article. Delegation is absolutely key to effective leadership in an any endeavour that scales up beyond a 3 man business.
[05:51:00] <pbnjoe> poutine--
[05:51:05] <Bender> karma - poutine: -223
[05:51:05] <SpallsHurgenson> Dice probably got some dirt on Barrabas and is blackmailing him; "quit or we let all the world know you use Windows 3.1!"
[05:51:19] <Popeidol> poutine still exists?
[05:51:35] <Popeidol> I thought we'd just relegated him to bogeyman status
[05:51:48] <pbnjoe> I'd only heard stories :P
[05:51:52] <Bender> [poutine] No, whoever put your IRC relay bot together did a crappy job
[05:51:57] <Bender> [poutine] like everything else SN related
[05:52:12] <Bender> [poutine] I refuse to allocate an additional TCP connection for SN
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[05:53:24] <SirFinkus> SoylentNews® Beta, a part of the Yahoo! family
[05:53:32] <xlefay> heh, we there yet?
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[05:54:42] <Popeidol> it'd be yahoo or blackberry that bought us out, I'm sure
[05:55:07] <xlefay> Why not both?
[05:55:07] <Popeidol> they're both still in the 'lets buy ourselves out of this problem' stage
[05:55:20] <pbnjoe> ugh, we'd not longer have uids but yids
[05:55:34] <Popeidol> SOYLENTNEWS RENAMED: now 'yahooberry'
[05:55:47] <xlefay> or Blackoo
[05:55:47] <Popeidol> (black yahoo had too many negative connotations)
[05:55:49] <SpallsHurgenson> graphic emoticons enabled!
[05:56:01] <Popeidol> all commenting will now be done via BBM
[05:56:06] <SirFinkus> Please create a Google+ account to comment on this article
[05:56:23] <pbnjoe> is it bad that the first thing I thought of when you wrote yahooberry is "we could say a server got berried"?
[05:56:26] <Bender> [poutine] Guys, I'm hearing from trusted sources that Barrabas left SN because NCommander demanded money or he'd quit development of the site
[05:56:49] <xlefay> rofl SirFinkus | Poutine, you _are_ so wrong. ;)
[05:57:05] <SirFinkus> "trusted sources" == your ass?
[05:57:32] <Popeidol> I heard the NSA demanded he turn over user records and he quit in protest
[05:59:03] <MrBluze> Hi Poutine, who do u trust?
[05:59:11] <Bender> [poutine] Ok I'm also hearing additional news that SN received a cease-and-desist from DICE holdings
[05:59:16] <MrBluze> just so i know who not to trust
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[06:00:11] <juggs> poutine, don't believe everything those voices in your head tell you :D
[06:03:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I actually wouldn't be surprised by the latter, but I think I'll wait for a more reputable source :)
[06:04:47] <pbnjoe> aka anyone else
[06:05:03] <xlefay> poutine--
[06:05:07] <Bender> karma - poutine: -224
[06:05:13] <xlefay> damn you're getting slow Bender.
[06:05:26] <pbnjoe> I noticed that :\
[06:05:49] <pbnjoe> poutine--
[06:05:53] <Bender> karma - poutine: -225
[06:06:06] <xlefay> ugh it's retarded
[06:06:07] <xlefay> bender--
[06:06:11] <Bender> karma - bender: -7
[06:06:35] <MrBluze> they can't do a cease and desist to a software product that is openly available and widely used
[06:06:42] <MrBluze> and we have forked and gone our own way
[06:06:49] <xlefay> we're a software product now? :P
[06:06:51] <MrBluze> and in the process of scrubbing slashdot out
[06:06:54] <SirFinkus> well, they can, but that doesn't mean it's legitimate
[06:07:02] <MrBluze> no, slashcode is though
[06:07:21] <SpallsHurgenson> you can always send a cease and desist; you usually can't get it enforced, but you can send it :)
[06:07:37] <SpallsHurgenson> and I wouldn't put it past Dice to try :)
[06:07:45] <MrBluze> like "eww stop iit" flapping hands around pathetically
[06:07:45] <Bender> [poutine] they're the copyright holders, giving permission to distribute, use, or modify code, does not mean you can run a duplicate corporate entity bro
[06:07:58] <xlefay> If they do send us that, let's change the names in their letter and bounce it back.
[06:08:06] <pbnjoe> that would be great
[06:08:18] <Bender> [poutine] xlefay, you must be really popular with your 12 year old peers
[06:08:23] <xlefay> They'll probably just send us a cease and desist for that.
[06:08:27] <MrBluze> so coca cola does a cease and desist to pepsi because they sell a drink in a can?
[06:08:55] <Bender> [poutine] MrBluze if you see that as being similar to the slashdot/soylentnews deal, you're on crack
[06:09:14] * xlefay wonders who re-enabled that stupid relay... it keeps breaking anyway
[06:09:41] <MrBluze> ok is it the shape of a can, or that it opens in the top?
[06:10:05] <pbnjoe> yeah I was wondering how this was happening, I thought I remembered someone saying there was literally no-one in the channel so they cut off the relay
[06:10:09] <MrBluze> there are many sites using slashcode
[06:10:55] <Bender> [poutine] MrBluze ok the prominent ones are not in the US, they're not hosted at US companies, and they're hardly trying to setup a slashdot clone
[06:11:00] <xlefay> pbnjoe: not sure who that was... in any case that relay fucks up every once in a while, it's terribly designed imo. If it were up to me, I'd either set up a good one or just cut it off.
[06:11:29] * xlefay waits eagerly for his e-cig to be charged..
[06:11:39] <MrBluze> so bing has to shut down because google is the only company that can run a search engine?
[06:11:56] <xlefay> In all fairness, MrBluze, can we change the order of Google and Bing in that one?
[06:12:09] <SpallsHurgenson> our resident troll is going to get fat with all these feedings :)
[06:12:23] <Bender> [poutine] MrBluze, Did Bing use google's source code to do it?
[06:12:29] <xlefay> Say what you will, I'd still trust Bing over Google... then again I use DDG.
[06:12:44] <xlefay> SpallsHurgenson: if only we got bacon in return!
[06:13:18] <MrBluze> did google release their code?
[06:13:25] <Bender> [poutine] Well it was fun watching the rise and fall of a project, I'm calling it, SN is dead, 2014-03-05
[06:13:31] <pbnjoe> go DDG
[06:13:42] <xlefay> Poutine, what domain for SN did you register again?
[06:14:02] <Bender> [poutine] Why would I register a domain for SN?
[06:14:44] <xlefay> Thought you registered altsoylentnews or something like that, by the way, did you finally get around to setting up Slashcode in a few hours?
[06:16:12] <Bender> [poutine] Uh, no, I never stated I was going to do any of that, and it's really simple to setup slashcode, it's an open source project on a dozen sites, quit acting like it was any more difficult than setting up a freeradius server
[06:16:23] <MrBluze> slashcode is gnugpl
[06:16:38] <Bender> [poutine] wonderful, you have a license to use, modify, and distribute its code
[06:16:54] <xlefay> Poutine, oh I'm not acting any of the sort. I was going to suggest you simply set up your own and quit bothering us ;)
[06:17:01] <MrBluze> we are using the code
[06:17:01] <Bender> [poutine] not necessarily to run a duplicate corporate entity
[06:17:11] <MrBluze> we are not a duplicate corporate entity
[06:17:14] <MrBluze> we have no ads, we have no profits
[06:17:32] <MrBluze> and the concept of a news aggregator with comments is nothing unique
[06:18:00] <MrBluze> u cant shut down a lemonade stand
[06:18:18] <Bender> [poutine] It's clear I'm discussing this issue with a child, this site started as altslashdot, there's a wiki with stated goals to be a corporate entity, Barrabas claimed he already incorporated...
[06:18:37] <Bender> [poutine] There's posts on slashdot claiming this is going to be a slashdot clone with ideals of old
[06:18:45] <MrBluze> well he has ceased and desisted fwiw
[06:18:51] <Bender> [poutine] grow up MrBluze, it's clear you're not very knowledgeable on US business law
[06:19:22] <xlefay> In all fairness, I did see that claim somewhere and then somewhere else it stated it wasn't.. it was a mess
[06:20:11] <xlefay> Poutine if I may ask and get a honest answer in return. What exactly do you have against SN for you to act the way you do?
[06:21:41] <Bender> [poutine] xlefay, finding a news aggregation site that you contribute to is not an easy task, I know you latch on to these things like a child would his favorite shoe brand, but some of us want to know how a site plans on running itself before becoming committed to it in any capacity
[06:21:52] <Bender> [poutine] SN has clearly shown itself multiple times to be led be incompetent people
[06:22:46] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, it all started when he offered his services and the SN staff wouldn't immediately recognize his awesome greatness.
[06:23:01] <Bender> [poutine] I offered no services
[06:23:05] <MrBluze> ah, pride
[06:23:14] <MrBluze> the usual suspect
[06:23:55] <xlefay> If you mean, the lack of planning and structuring things ahead. I agree with that assessment. SN really did screw up on the part however, to be completely fair there were reasons (whether they were doesn't matter). I'll say this though, internally things are changing, they're progressing, soon the community will actually be involved on the scale it was intended.
[06:24:20] <xlefay> So before you call anyone incompetent, wait a bit and see how things are going to go now. Perhaps even you will change your mind. :)
[06:24:36] <xlefay> whatever*
[06:24:53] <Bender> [poutine] or perhaps instead of this cloak and dagger, someone could grow a pair and just say it
[06:25:02] <SpallsHurgenson> well, then perhaps you should have, as you claim to be so multi-talented in programming, business and law ;-)
[06:25:20] <SpallsHurgenson> think of the heights to which you could bring the website :)
[06:25:53] <xlefay> It's not about growing a pair, it's about "the right way"; which you've been advocating all along, so let it proceed in that way.
[06:26:26] <juggs> To be fair xlefay, I don't think anyone involved expected things to ramp up at quite the rate they did.
[06:27:10] <MrBluze> we are in any case differentiating continuously
[06:27:16] <xlefay> juggs: I agree but that doesn't change that the initial organization was a mess and we're still suffering from that to this day, fortunately, things are actually turning around.
[06:28:27] * MrBluze nods
[06:28:34] <xlefay> That's true MrBluze, I'm excited to see what happens next. :)
[06:29:22] <pbnjoe> +1
[06:29:26] <pbnjoe> :P
[06:30:04] <juggs> xlefay, I'll take your word for it :)
[06:30:50] <SpallsHurgenson> just so long as you do not differentiate too much. Regardless of what the resident troll says, you CAN legally run an identical business, so long as you don't trespass on the other's intellectual properties, such as their trade dress
[06:30:53] <xlefay> juggs: and I stand by them but fortunately, that will all be visible soon enough.
[06:31:05] <xlefay> it*
[06:31:25] <SpallsHurgenson> Soylent /may/ be close to the edge with the look-n-feel of the site but I don't know how much of that is due to the source code, which is - AFAIK - open sourced
[06:31:55] <MrBluze> if u install slashcode, and just start running it
[06:32:01] <MrBluze> u get slashdot of old
[06:32:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - D-Wave System Passes Rigorous Tests - http://sylnt.us - CQluaasnstiucmal-Superposition
[06:32:38] <MrBluze> we are forking from that, and finding ourselves going in a direction that is away from /.
[06:32:49] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but is the LOOK of the site open sourced too or is that Dice's trade dress, that is the question.
[06:33:06] <xlefay> I think B<censored> is going to be their trade dress
[06:33:16] <SpallsHurgenson> it's actually an interesting legal question, I think, considering the code is open sourced
[06:33:54] <MrBluze> we are reskinning
[06:33:57] <xlefay> I've heard someone mention Dice might be in violation but I don't believe that person was a lawyer so it's hearsay at this point.
[06:34:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not sure if Dice would have a legal leg to stand on, but - assuming there were a C&D - they might just be relying on soylent not wanting to fight it out in court :)
[06:34:32] <xlefay> I very much doubt they will, it'll just alienate those who remained with /.
[06:34:54] <xlefay> (if it got public and backed up with proof, that is)
[06:35:10] <SpallsHurgenson> xlefay: that is an interesting possibility; perhaps Beta was an attempt to get a trademarked look for their site
[06:35:57] <xlefay> Actually they can then only protect that layout *if* that isn't in violation with the Slashcode license.
[06:36:44] <pbnjoe> xlefay, to go back to what you said about DDG: I just submitted the bang !sn for SN :)
[06:36:51] <MrBluze> i didnt know slashdot's design (titles, text, buttons) was trademarked
[06:36:57] <xlefay> For all you know, they're just pulling from the DB and using a whole different frontend engine that uses the URLs from the original one - in which case, it wouldn't be violating.
[06:37:11] <SpallsHurgenson> MrBluze: I don't know if it is either.
[06:37:15] <xlefay> MrBluze: I don't think it is
[06:37:25] <xlefay> Hence the "hearsay" earlier.
[06:37:25] <SpallsHurgenson> how integral is the appearance of the site to slashcode?
[06:37:34] <MrBluze> lol cause then xerox could sue slashdot for copying the 'window' design
[06:37:40] <pbnjoe> heheh
[06:37:52] <xlefay> Essentially /.'s "classic" layout is an improvement on SN's (Slashcode's default) layout
[06:39:11] <MrBluze> well we are not following //
[06:39:12] <xlefay> I'd say, the sites layout is an integral part in the identity of a brand. So I'm lost in these legal matters.. I ain't no lawyer.
[06:39:55] <SpallsHurgenson> xlefay: as I said, an interesting legal case. Where do you differentiate between code and layout when the released code is open sourced?
[06:39:58] <xlefay> Personally though, I do find myself missing /.'s classic layout sometimes *the comment slider mostly* minor inconveniences really.
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[06:40:42] <MrBluze> xlefay: i actually think we can get better and more efficient functionality
[06:40:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Pipedot is probably treading the edge more closely, as they don't have the defense of open-sourced code to protect them
[06:40:53] <xlefay> SpallsHurgenson: I'd say the identity of the brand, e.g. color scheme used, extensions in the layout itself, all things besides Slashcode that makes /., /.
[06:41:20] <MrBluze> Pipedot is like an Apple clone
[06:41:37] <MrBluze> but we are like a "Computer Clone" ... computer is far less specific
[06:41:41] <xlefay> I do like Pipedot tho. It feels more familiar layout wise then SN.
[06:41:54] <MrBluze> i agree pipedot is slick
[06:42:12] <MrBluze> but we are in the position we can take it in a direction that's better still
[06:42:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I think soylent could make a decent case of it were it to come to court, but I wouldn't wager it is a definite open-n-shut case either way
[06:42:36] <MrBluze> SpallsHurgenson: especially in the US justice system
[06:43:02] <xlefay> MrBluze: * unless they bribe someone...
[06:43:12] <MrBluze> yep, best justice that money can buy
[06:43:43] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, Dice has not made a point of chasing after other slash-clones (such as the one in Japan) so if they are claiming soylent is violating their trade dress, they haven't shown to be protecting it very well
[06:43:57] <SpallsHurgenson> and trade dress is similar to trademarks in that regard
[06:44:21] <MrBluze> well that lack of protection is a type of consent
[06:44:51] <SpallsHurgenson> a forfeiture
[06:44:56] <xlefay> Does it really matter whether they defend it or not in some cases? Isn't that their "right" by definition?
[06:45:12] <MrBluze> well in other law
[06:45:19] <MrBluze> if u dont make a case in time, u lose
[06:45:27] <Popeidol> xlefay: if they dont defend it they risk losing it
[06:45:41] <pbnjoe> ^
[06:45:52] <Popeidol> xlefay: though I wouldn't have thought it would matter on a scale like this, that usually only applies to 'household name' products
[06:45:54] <xlefay> So if they do go to court, they'll have lost it before it starts (because of JP /.)
[06:46:15] <MrBluze> in copyright law
[06:46:16] <FrogBlast> My layout for testing icons and logos: http://www.personalpreferences.info
[06:46:24] <MrBluze> if i write a song, and u know about it, and u leave it go
[06:46:27] <xlefay> Which is the second reason I think of for reasons why they won't go to court
[06:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> potentially soylent could avoid any complications by changing various bits of its website; moving the navigation menu from the left-hand side to the bottom of the page, or losing the rounded bevels
[06:46:36] <MrBluze> then u say i wasnt copying
[06:46:40] <MrBluze> u cant wait until i am successful and then sue
[06:47:11] <xlefay> FrogBlast: I like the "cleaner" version but I personally do think the redish is a bit -too much-
[06:47:15] <xlefay> to dark.
[06:47:34] <SpallsHurgenson> whether it is actually /necessary/ to do so is a different issue and for lawyers to have fun with ;-)
[06:47:45] <xlefay> Exactly
[06:47:53] <FrogBlast> I designed it even darker... then realized my chair was too low in front of my cheap monitor.
[06:47:56] <pbnjoe> FrogBlast, comma in wrong place for the number #65,535
[06:47:57] <pbnjoe> 0/10
[06:47:59] <pbnjoe> ;)
[06:48:11] <FrogBlast> *shame*
[06:48:24] <FrogBlast> In two different places, that I typed separately.
[06:48:26] <MrBluze> im just heading out now
[06:48:38] <xlefay> Also, I'd recommend against moving the "posted by" we're used to it's position for >= 5 yrs
[06:48:40] <MrBluze> but wrt that style:
[06:49:20] <MrBluze> there will be UI rearrangements though xlefay
[06:49:44] <FrogBlast> MrBluze mentioned a preference for clickable things to tend toward the right side of the screen, so I stuck it over there with its friend, "comments"
[06:49:52] <SpallsHurgenson> looks more cramped; makes me feel claustrophobic
[06:50:14] <xlefay> MrBluze: can you clear up what that means exactly?
[06:50:17] <MrBluze> well the heuristic principle is .. minimal movement of the mouse to get everything done
[06:50:18] <pbnjoe> it is indeed a bit squishy
[06:50:42] <FrogBlast> I was worried that if I spaced things out too much I'd get accused of being a Beta Sympathizer.
[06:50:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I do like the header, even if it is a bit heavy
[06:50:52] <MrBluze> for example, in a single column design for portrait layout eg: on your phone or tablet: your finger is on the right, thats where the buttons go, otherwise u obstruct your view getting to stuff
[06:50:54] <SpallsHurgenson> nice icons :)
[06:51:21] <MrBluze> left sided orientation is an accident and a mistake of UI design over many years
[06:51:28] <GungnirSniper> Isn't most of the design elements already out there via GPL? And if Slashdot is moving to that hated Beta and kills Classic, wouldn't that undermine their case of being a copy?
[06:51:52] <MrBluze> mainly because it was before pointers - when your eyes start left and read--> right
[06:52:18] <pbnjoe> yeah, I feel like when I look at your design I have to draaaag my eyes over to see who posted
[06:52:53] <FoobarBazbot> MrBluze: regarding finger-side for phone, I'm not sure that's a good rule of thumb.
[06:52:55] <MrBluze> guys, FrogBlast's design is more a trial of colors, simplified look etc, the position of those elements is not fixed
[06:53:11] <pbnjoe> I like the colour, I will say that outright
[06:53:25] <FoobarBazbot> I have a tendency to use a phone one-handed with my left hand, so my thumb's coming from the left side
[06:53:26] <SpallsHurgenson> have you tried OMGPonies pink?
[06:53:34] <MrBluze> FoobarBazbot: true its not 100%
[06:53:39] <FoobarBazbot> But maybe that's abnormal...
[06:53:45] <pbnjoe> foobar, I do the same
[06:53:51] <FrogBlast> lolz
[06:53:54] <MrBluze> people tend to scroll with whatever hand or finger
[06:53:55] <xlefay> how does it do with rtl?
[06:54:02] <MrBluze> but which hand do you tap phone numbers in with?
[06:54:11] <MrBluze> if u hold it and tap, if u are right handed
[06:54:17] <FoobarBazbot> (I am right-handed, btw, it's just an extension of holding the phone left-handed to poke it with my right index finger)
[06:54:18] * SpallsHurgenson holds with left hand, and taps with right index finger
[06:54:32] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot: aaaah like star trek pads?!
[06:54:40] <xlefay> You're my hero now, congrats!
[06:54:46] <MrBluze> i will type with left thumb if i am carrying a briefcase etc, but generally right index also
[06:55:32] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I guess it sort of depends what I'm doing with the device
[06:55:43] <FrogBlast> I say we redesign it all LCARS style.
[06:55:49] <FrogBlast> It's what we all really want.
[06:56:02] * SpallsHurgenson pulls out his phone and starts doing things with it to see where he puts his fingers
[06:56:10] <xlefay> Ok, real question. Are you guys going to use lesscss or scss?
[06:56:12] <MrBluze> lol that would be fun FrogBlast
[06:56:40] <SpallsHurgenson> argh, I used to have an LCARS theme. All that beeping and chirping and beeping and chirping and beeping.... IT DROVE ME MAD!
[06:56:54] <MrBluze> handball that one to css team
[06:56:57] <xlefay> FrogBlast: MrBluze, see my question
[06:57:17] <SpallsHurgenson> (I've been known to use my nose to tap when my hands were otherwise occupied... please be sure to create a nose-tap compatible interace :)
[06:57:33] <FoobarBazbot> Anyway, like 5% of people or something are left-handed... I'm not sure how hard it is to have column order user-configurable (with modern css, should be simple, right?), but if that's feasible, having it configurable suits left-handers on tablets and people who use their phone weird like me.
[06:57:42] <SpallsHurgenson> s/interace/interface
[06:57:42] * SedBot hurls a / at SpallsHurgenson!
[06:57:54] <FoobarBazbot> SpallsHurgenson: I do that _all_the_time_ with my watch!
[06:58:10] <MrBluze> FoobarBazbot: well all of that is configurable once css is done
[06:58:18] <FrogBlast> My CSS is messy enough that I expect anything I do to be more inspirational than anything else. That said, CSS with variables is the eternal dream and would make section colors and personal themes much easier.
[06:58:23] <FoobarBazbot> Only way to scroll/tap one-handed.
[06:59:04] <MrBluze> xlefay: I leave it to frontend/css now that they are in dev i dont have to worry about that question
[06:59:28] <xlefay> I see. I'll address it to Dev then, thank you.
[06:59:33] <MrBluze> ok i really gtg or wife will murder me
[06:59:35] <MrBluze> cheers
[06:59:39] <MrBluze> :)
[06:59:43] * SpallsHurgenson notices a bar-code on the soylent news logo... anyone read barcodes? ;-)
[06:59:51] <MrBluze> lol ;)
[06:59:57] <xlefay> MrBluze: cheers, talk later ;)
[06:59:59] <MrBluze> i think FrogBlast has done a great job
[07:00:02] <MrBluze> see ya!
[07:00:02] <FrogBlast> Unless the website lied to me, it should say SOYLENT
[07:00:28] <xlefay> FrogBlast++ haha nice!
[07:00:32] <Bender> karma - frogblast: 3
[07:00:35] <xlefay> oh god.. Bender come on
[07:00:55] <FrogBlast> I'm about to get murdered too.
[07:00:59] <FrogBlast> Later, everyone!
[07:01:01] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I'm remembering those stories about people who get tattoos with kanji that they THINK is for their name... but it ends up saying things like "old fish" or "for lease" ;-)
[07:01:07] <FrogBlast> lol
[07:01:21] <Bender> [poutine] 500 server error
[07:01:25] <Popeidol> I'm sure the 'for lease' ones aren't accidental
[07:01:30] <SirFinkus> http://hanzismatter.blogspot.com
[07:01:58] FrogBlast is now known as FrogBlast_Away
[07:02:01] <SirFinkus> apparently there's a sheet a bunch of tattoo artists use that map randome chinese characters to letters
[07:03:51] <SpallsHurgenson> well, if multiple people are using it for the same meaning... is it necessarily inaccurate or have tattoo parlors created a new written language? ;-)
[07:04:31] <pbnjoe> some poor Schmuck's arm says "Joe we should hang out some time"
[07:04:38] <pbnjoe> and another's says "Yeah totally"
[07:04:42] * SpallsHurgenson dubs this new language "Tatooine"
[07:04:53] * SirFinkus groans
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[07:04:58] * pbnjoe groans in approval
[07:05:55] <SirFinkus> I saw a "bro" looking guy with a girl on his arm with a tattoo that said "homosexual love" once
[07:06:09] <SirFinkus> idk, maybe it was his sister
[07:06:26] <juggs> did you check the adam's apple?
[07:06:35] <pbnjoe> I legitimately could not tell if you meant she was holding onto his arm or was part of the tattoo
[07:06:47] <xlefay> SirFinkus: or he's blind and the girl has a male voice and he can't differentiate between physical things either.
[07:06:54] <pbnjoe> a rescan makes it make sense but yeah
[07:07:16] * xlefay points out, almost everything is possible.
[07:07:17] <SirFinkus> yeah, it was a pretty bad sentence
[07:07:30] <pbnjoe> It was a funny one though
[07:08:00] <pbnjoe> makes me think of rough biker dudes with "Peace and Understanding" on their chests
[07:08:16] <pbnjoe> they don't exist afaik, I'm just extrapolating
[07:08:40] <SirFinkus> I saw another guy with something that roughly meant "diluted" too
[07:09:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I must be hanging out with the wrong type of people; I almost never see tattoos
[07:10:36] <SirFinkus> I don't hang out with them, I see the at the store and stuff
[07:10:48] <pbnjoe> same
[07:11:30] <pbnjoe> I think they're a bit silly
[07:12:22] <juggs> A while back I seriously contemplated getting a faux barcode tattoo on the back of my neck. At the time I thought it might be some funny dig at the commercialisation of individuals. Thankfully I realised no-one would get the joke apart from me so canned the idea.
[07:12:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think it is so much "silly" as "unwise"; permanently etching your current beliefs onto your body is likely something you will regret in three or four decades :)
[07:12:54] <pbnjoe> If you like something, there's no need for it to be etched permanently into your flesh; owning/wearing something with it is more than enough, and
[07:12:58] <pbnjoe> ... yeah exactly
[07:13:44] <Popeidol> juggs: if you do that, dont get a faux barcode. get a real barcode.
[07:13:58] <pbnjoe> You're probably not going to like having (for an extreme example) a drawing of a nubile woman standing on a giant middle finger when you're 70 years old
[07:14:00] <SpallsHurgenson> and make sure it says "Soylent"
[07:14:23] <Popeidol> I was thinking more 'heinz spaghetti tin $2.99'
[07:14:33] <SirFinkus> you'll know soylentnews has arrived when the first tattoo comes out
[07:14:36] <SpallsHurgenson> pbnjoe: and even if you do, your wife probably won't :)
[07:14:44] <pbnjoe> no kidding
[07:14:59] <SpallsHurgenson> the grandkids will be thrilled, however :)
[07:15:11] <pbnjoe> the woman wouldn't look so great with body-sized wrinkles going through her either ;P
[07:15:18] <pbnjoe> the tattoo woman, I mean haha
[07:15:35] <Popeidol> I figure if I'm going to end up hating my tattoo anyway, I might as well choose one I hate to start with
[07:15:49] <pbnjoe> Just skip the first phase hey? I like it
[07:15:52] <Popeidol> that way I at least get a steady experience
[07:16:07] <Popeidol> without the dizzying highs and lows that come with normal tattoo ownership
[07:16:15] <SirFinkus> tattoos I kind of get, piercings I don't
[07:16:20] <pbnjoe> just think of the most flash-in-the-pan person/internet craze you can think of
[07:16:28] <pbnjoe> and get that
[07:16:43] <pbnjoe> piercings at least are impermanent
[07:16:45] <pbnjoe> well, regular ones
[07:16:58] * xlefay probably should take advantage of the amount of people noted logged in to idlerpg...
[07:16:59] <SirFinkus> anyone have a "fuck beta" tattoo yet?
[07:17:29] <pbnjoe> xlefay, in what way?
[07:17:41] <xlefay> by idling, naturally
[07:17:53] <SpallsHurgenson> come to think of it, we're living in the future. Where are our ANIMATED tattoos?
[07:18:06] <pbnjoe> they've been here since the 1700's
[07:18:07] <xlefay> pbnjoe: taking advantage by not mentioning it... but I did so anyway :[
[07:18:19] <pbnjoe> have you not seen ones where you flex and the flag waves?
[07:18:23] <pbnjoe> :P
[07:18:29] <SirFinkus> I like the guy who put magnets in his fingers so he could feel magnetic fields
[07:18:56] <Popeidol> SirFinkus: I agree, but using credit cards would become problematic
[07:18:56] <pbnjoe> "Here, hold this neodymium magnet"
[07:19:02] <pbnjoe> "ok, now give it back"
[07:19:15] <SpallsHurgenson> pbnjoe: OUCH
[07:19:23] <pbnjoe> Uh huh
[07:19:27] <Popeidol> but I agree that the best kind of bodymod is one that gives you superpowers
[07:19:44] * pbnjoe immediately pictures Dr. Octopus
[07:20:13] <SpallsHurgenson> how does that guy ever sleep in a bed with those things grafted to his back?
[07:20:30] <pbnjoe> makes a hammock with his tentacle things? idk
[07:20:31] <Popeidol> SpallsHurgenson: he has a hammock-like arrangement with them
[07:20:35] <pbnjoe> :D
[07:20:46] <arti> what about doc ock?
[07:20:58] <pbnjoe> read the line immediately above
[07:21:03] <pbnjoe> :)
[07:21:06] <pbnjoe> anyway, I'm off to bed
[07:21:07] <pbnjoe> night all
[07:21:10] <arti> nite
[07:21:13] <SpallsHurgenson> doomed to sleep in a hammock for the rest of his life? no wonder he's so cranky!
[07:21:31] <arti> he can pretend he's on a pirate ship
[07:22:24] <SpallsHurgenson> right, 'cause pirates were famous for their good moods :)
[07:22:48] <arti> well Black Beard The Friendly doesn't quite have the same ring
[07:22:54] <SpallsHurgenson> hammocks have caused more evil in this world than any other human invention. Look it up on wikipedia, it's true!
[07:23:06] * pbnjoe pokes in to say "HA!" and then leaves again
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[07:25:26] <xlefay> crutchy: thx for the effort eh ;)
[07:26:46] <crutchy> i saw bottie... wasn't sure where it came from. sorry i noticed you were asking for help with some perl that i might have given a shot but i was away. how you been anyways?
[07:27:09] <crutchy> when i did a whois i noticed your name is xander
[07:27:16] <crutchy> my son's name is xander too :-)
[07:28:11] <crutchy> you probly better at perl than me. i'm a noob
[07:28:14] <crutchy> :-P
[07:28:15] <xlefay> The perl piece was annoying, eventually after trying to figure out what it meant (.. the docs weren't much help) I figured I'd be better of using something else and just get it done. Loggie's just a simple Python thingy.
[07:28:32] <crutchy> cool
[07:28:40] <xlefay> I try to avoid perl but I'm getting more intrigued by it every day. I've been OK, how about you?
[07:29:00] <crutchy> not bad. just got home from work. dinner time here
[07:29:02] * xlefay notes his stomach doesn't agree with that assesment, seems it's hungry
[07:29:06] <xlefay> oh I see
[07:29:25] <xlefay> 7:30 AM here, makes it what, 5:30 there?
[07:29:34] <crutchy> yup
[07:29:47] <crutchy> young kids always want early dinner :-P
[07:30:10] <xlefay> Haha of course they do! :)
[07:30:35] * xlefay notes even though he's so much older, he does still enjoy dinner at 5.. :)
[07:31:04] <crutchy> did you end up using ii for loggie?
[07:31:37] <xlefay> No, unfortunately not. One of the things that I noticed, it mentions nick changes and such in server/in and not in server/#channel/in
[07:31:41] <xlefay> s/in/out/g
[07:31:41] <SedBot> <xlefay> No, unfortunately not. One of the thoutgs that I noticed, it mentions nick changes and such out server/out and not out server/#channel/out
[07:32:03] <crutchy> had to go with sock?
[07:32:13] * arti socks crutchy
[07:33:01] <crutchy> hi arty *rubs black eye* :-P
[07:33:03] <xlefay> Aggregating that information and such wouldn't be such a problem _but_ I've been waiting for weeks to get a log bot up and running (.. *looks angry at Bender* ..) so either I'd spend time coding the stuff for II, then fix a log parser, etc.. or I'd just trawl around github see what I could find
[07:33:26] <xlefay> ii*
[07:34:27] <crutchy> i was looking for a bash logger to try but i had to cobble together bits and pieces and fill in the gaps myself. hard to find something simple and just right
[07:34:28] <juggs> xlefay, what are you trying to achieve with a logbot?
[07:34:44] <crutchy> yeah sounds kinda complicated
[07:34:47] <xlefay> Loggie: is a simply python script that does what it has to (using irclib), it's output is adequate, but could use some enhancing, I'll do that later on. Check this out for instance: http://logs.sylnt.us
[07:34:55] <xlefay> eh it talks too, it seems.
[07:35:15] <crutchy> ahh
[07:35:38] <crutchy> you should call it i.n.t.e.l.l.i.g.e.n.c.e.
[07:36:10] <crutchy> team america style
[07:36:18] <xlefay> juggs: It was decided that these "official" channels should be logged so it'd be public record, what we really wanted was to do it via Bender but it's log files are incomplete and just plain suck, many different alternatives
[07:36:21] <arti> america, fsck ya
[07:37:22] <xlefay> crutchy: unfortunately dots aren't allowed in nicknames ;)
[07:37:45] <crutchy> s/./_/
[07:37:45] <SedBot> <crutchy> _eam america style
[07:37:50] <crutchy> ?
[07:38:05] <crutchy> stupid bot
[07:38:07] <xlefay> (mind you.. I couldn't fix Bender because it ..still.. isn't on github otherwise I'd have taken that road and one less bot..)
[07:38:08] <crutchy> :-P
[07:38:16] <xlefay> hahahaha that was your own fault :P
[07:38:36] <xlefay> s/(.*)/o\.O/
[07:38:36] <SedBot> <xlefay> o.O
[07:38:47] <xlefay> s/(.*)//
[07:38:47] <SedBot> <xlefay>
[07:38:48] <crutchy> sedbot:!load_mind_reading_module
[07:38:48] * SedBot is a 41-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:39:23] <xlefay> crutchy: I think it's telling you to submit a merge request :o
[07:39:51] <xlefay> s/merge/pull/
[07:39:51] <SedBot> <xlefay> crutchy: I think it's telling you to submit a pull request :o
[07:40:21] <crutchy> i hope it doesn't hack into my brain.... it would get lost in space forever
[07:40:35] <xlefay> Perhaps it just wants to merge with you?
[07:40:51] <crutchy> cyber even
[07:41:02] <crutchy> ooh dirty bot
[07:41:16] * xlefay notes he wasn't even thinking in that direction yet...
[07:41:20] <xlefay> but now I sure am rofl
[07:41:46] <crutchy> 'scuse me while i scrape my brain out of the gutter
[07:41:54] <Popeidol> I wrote an irc sexbot back in like...2000? 2001?
[07:42:05] <xlefay> say what now?
[07:42:17] <xlefay> Mind if I ask, "Why?"
[07:42:33] <Popeidol> I was a teenager
[07:42:40] <Popeidol> ...that's about the extent of my reasoning
[07:42:47] <xlefay> and so naturally an IRC sex bot made sense
[07:42:49] <crutchy> ah explains everything
[07:42:51] <Popeidol> oh yeah
[07:43:03] <Popeidol> being a teenager basically involves: 1) take concept 2) apply sex to concept
[07:43:05] <xlefay> I'm afraid to ask, what did it do exactly?
[07:43:24] <Popeidol> not a huge amount of useful stuff
[07:43:26] <xlefay> you don't have to be very exact though..
[07:43:31] <Popeidol> it ran 'private rooms'
[07:43:39] <Popeidol> ie it'd set up a private irc channel and only let two people in
[07:43:45] <Popeidol> presumably to cyber
[07:43:48] <xlefay> oh
[07:43:51] <crutchy> sedbot:!mode(natalie_portman)
[07:43:51] * SedBot is a 41-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:43:59] <Popeidol> basically duplicated PM
[07:44:08] <xlefay> and here I thought it simply did strip teases in ascii
[07:44:19] <xlefay> I'm curious now, was it popular?
[07:44:25] <Popeidol> it had a bunch of random sexual commands that basically just involved it talking dirty
[07:44:34] <Popeidol> it got some use, but not a huge amount
[07:44:44] <nobbis> yike just seen the news about Barrabas - great shame
[07:44:46] <xlefay> *notes.. Popeidol already invented a less cammy version of chatroulette*
[07:44:58] <Popeidol> xlefay: cams were not really an option at the time
[07:45:03] <xlefay> s/less cammy /non-/
[07:45:04] <SedBot> <xlefay> *notes.. Popeidol already invented a non-version of chatroulette*
[07:45:08] <xlefay> eh
[07:45:14] * xlefay facepalms
[07:45:18] <Popeidol> they existed, but everybody was on dialup and the cams were like 5 pixels wide
[07:45:25] <xlefay> Yeah, naturally
[07:45:31] <xlefay> just think it's funny tho
[07:45:46] <xlefay> Well least it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
[07:45:51] <juggs> xlefay, if you need a reliable logbot you make it a sole purpose presence. Don't take a generic bot and add in modules for quotes, todos, channel control and ~also~ expect it to log reliably. That will fail. Also separate your logging and your output forming parser.
[07:46:03] <Popeidol> I've probably got a copy of the bot lying around somewhere archived
[07:46:21] <Popeidol> one of these years I'll dust it off and feel incredibly embarrassed about it
[07:46:59] <xlefay> juggs: I do agree on the separating the logging and the parser, the first thing really doesn't matter that much as long as it is, as you said reliable.
[07:47:35] <xlefay> Popeidol: http://xkcd.com chatroulette
[07:48:31] <xlefay> juggs: that is unless you're concerned about modules crashing the bot?
[07:48:42] <Popeidol> xlefay: genius!
[07:49:01] <xlefay> :P
[07:50:48] <xlefay> Really gotta eat some breakfast. btw crutchy, enjoy dinner ;)
[07:50:52] <xlefay> brb.
[07:54:24] <crutchy> ta
[08:00:22] <crutchy> damn you xlefay... you put up an xkcd link :-P
[08:02:00] <juggs> xlefay, exactly that. If you build your output parser/formatter into the same process that is doing the logging, anything that throws the parser out of whack bails the logger too, so you end up with incomplete logs until it gets restarted. So have your logger be a simple pipe to file and leave it at that. Then worry about parsing, reformatting for publication in other processes. Even if the parsing / reformatting goes tits up because someone dumped
[08:02:00] <juggs> some weird character in channel, you can fix that and rerun it on the captured logs.
[08:04:14] <juggs> crutchy, I lost 2 hours of my life thanks to someone posting an xkcd "what if" link in a SN comment. That Next button is compelling.
[08:05:01] <arti> came for the comic, stayed for the alt text
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[08:06:27] <juggs> The most interesting discussions ensue when one exits the echo chamber.
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[08:11:04] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[08:11:24] <juggs> I refuse.
[08:12:00] <crutchy> it reminds me of bender
[08:12:12] <arti> I tarzan.
[08:12:27] <juggs> You Jane.
[08:12:29] <arti> nice to meet you refuse.
[08:12:39] * arti rifles through you
[08:12:42] <xlefay> juggs: agreed
[08:12:47] <xlefay> crutchy: you're welcome!
[08:12:56] <arti> xlefay: evening
[08:13:12] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[08:13:21] <xlefay> arti: you aren't in GMT+1?
[08:13:31] <crutchy> hahahaha reminds me of us.... spending ages trying to confuse sedbot :-P
[08:13:38] <arti> nah, GMT-8
[08:13:51] <xlefay> aah I see, evening then ;)
[08:14:03] <xlefay> crutchy: !!!!
[08:14:05] <crutchy> west coast?
[08:14:11] <arti> jawohl
[08:14:28] <arti> been working on a sweet interface, got two weeks to polish it up
[08:14:59] <xlefay> juggs: I'll be writing a little bot in Python myself, unless you got something good & stable that's worth considering?
[08:14:59] <arti> trying to get animated svgs working, my vector skillz are lacking
[08:15:24] <crutchy> i don't have any vectors
[08:15:47] * xlefay notes there are literally dozen of choices... just need one that's exactly what we need that'll just work without fuzz.
[08:16:05] <arti> xlefay: the source is with you
[08:16:21] <xlefay> arti: the question is whether it's strong or not :P
[08:16:36] <arti> just sacrifice some more computer equipment and say the words
[08:16:38] <crutchy> mine will bash yours :-P
[08:16:42] <xlefay> LOL
[08:16:45] <arti> just remember to do the init scripts in the correct order
[08:16:55] <xlefay> crutchy: quite literally no?
[08:17:11] <GungnirSniper> Not Autoexec.bat?
[08:17:16] <xlefay> heh?
[08:17:20] <crutchy> except it has no arms or legs and can't talk
[08:17:26] <arti> you must have timewarped from 1994
[08:17:38] <arti> it's the economy. stupid.
[08:17:38] <crutchy> ooh remember making autoexec.bat menus
[08:17:43] <crutchy> those were the days
[08:17:45] <GungnirSniper> You might say I OS/2 Warped.
[08:17:47] <arti> fond memory of sierra titles
[08:18:04] <arti> the sq guys are making another sq
[08:18:06] <GungnirSniper> And Ultima.
[08:18:45] <arti> Neverwinter.
[08:18:51] <Khyber> I still play Ultima V
[08:19:05] <Khyber> took me 19 years to beat that goddamned game. I have the runic alphabet memorized
[08:19:22] <arti> Khyber++
[08:19:26] <Bender> karma - khyber: 14
[08:19:27] <Khyber> Hel I have the cloth map autographed by Richard Garriott. :D
[08:19:29] <GungnirSniper> v not VII? I started with only VI.
[08:19:33] <GungnirSniper> You lucky bastard.
[08:20:50] <Khyber> http://i50.photobucket.com There it is behind me to the right
[08:21:25] <arti> the great photobucket continuum
[08:21:28] <GungnirSniper> That is most excellent.
[08:21:29] <Khyber> VI was good once I got the Sound Blaster LIVE! patch for it
[08:21:30] <crutchy> aww kitty
[08:21:46] <arti> that's his roomie
[08:21:51] <Khyber> Kitty on left is Jupiter
[08:22:01] <GungnirSniper> SB Live was like 10 years later than VI's release though?
[08:22:10] <crutchy> at least you didn't name it uranus
[08:22:12] <Khyber> It wasa MIDI patch
[08:22:22] <arti> i prefer the awe 64
[08:22:22] <xlefay> crutchy++ rofl ;]
[08:22:26] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 30
[08:22:58] <GungnirSniper> Someplace I have a SB16 and I want to frame it, otherwise the female will just ask why I keep old PC crap.
[08:23:16] <GungnirSniper> 50 pin scuzzy for the win.
[08:23:20] <arti> hahaha
[08:23:36] <Khyber> I still have an AWE32 with the potentiometer for volume control :D ISA based, could push Technics speaker cabinets :D
[08:23:41] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:25:34] <GungnirSniper> ISA was pretty awesome back in the day. I have two 3DFX Voodoo 2s I also plan to frame, if I can find them.
[08:25:44] <GungnirSniper> Take that nVidia!
[08:25:53] <GungnirSniper> "Rest my friend, rest and heal, so that you are strong and able to face the perils before you. Pleasant dreams." And with that and two submissions done, I'm going to bed.
[08:26:26] <arti> GungnirSniper: i've got a voodoo 550
[08:27:07] <arti> the voodoo 3 2000?
[08:27:34] <arti> that was some good shit back in the day
[08:28:11] <arti> big fan of quakeworld
[08:28:46] <Khyber> I miss my SLI Voodoo2s. 12MB each, with 4MBMAtrox Millenium MGAII
[08:29:02] <Khyber> 28 whopping megs of video memory
[08:29:08] <arti> hell yeah
[08:29:37] <Khyber> quake, quakeII, Unreal Tournament, 1024x768 baby!
[08:29:54] <Khyber> shit I bet I could nail like 20K FPS on UT99 by now
[08:29:56] <arti> do any rtcw?
[08:30:09] <Khyber> I played enemy territory way more than RTCW
[08:30:18] <Khyber> JAWOHL!
[08:30:21] <arti> v51
[08:30:22] <xlefay> v51!
[08:30:33] <arti> any shrubmod folks?
[08:30:33] <Khyber> I did alpha, not numeric
[08:30:35] <lhnn> UT2k4 is great... still play it at quakecon
[08:30:35] <Khyber> CSE
[08:30:38] <Khyber> *VSE
[08:30:46] <Khyber> oh yea shrubmod is nice
[08:30:48] <juggs> xlefay, many years ago I had great success with PircBot (http://www.jibble.org/pircbot.php) - but looking at it now they seem to have added in flood protection, ident and all manner of stuff to make it more general purpose. When I was working with it, it was just an underlying Java framework that took care of communicating with an irc server and you could build out from there. Shame. Eggdrop is the same, you spend an age trawling through configs dis
[08:30:48] <juggs> abling stuff just to get to a useable base.
[08:30:50] <Khyber> jaymod is alright too
[08:30:56] <xlefay> I actually still play ET every once in a while.
[08:31:07] <Khyber> yea I've got it installed on my machine :D
[08:31:14] <Khyber> maybe I'll play it this weekend
[08:31:19] <xlefay> juggs: I've got a pircbot up.. but the logbot of theirs is just a pain. It's still a framework though
[08:31:21] <arti> ET introduced some neat things, i really liked the team multiplayer of rtcw. superb
[08:31:26] <Khyber> just gotta find servers without bots, that's the bitch
[08:31:29] <arti> 64player depot <3
[08:31:34] <xlefay> silEnT mod is way nicer tho..
[08:31:36] <Khyber> depot <3
[08:31:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Icahn, Andreessen Battle for eBay, PayPal - http://sylnt.us - won't-someone-think-of-the-shareholders
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[08:31:54] <xlefay> Started to hate depot with less than 32 players
[08:32:02] <arti> i liked oltl as well
[08:32:05] <Khyber> Steal uniforms and slip by the enemy
[08:32:10] <xlefay> sten ;D
[08:32:11] <Khyber> so much win
[08:32:12] <arti> played cal main
[08:32:36] <Khyber> I kicked ass as an engy with the grenade launcher rifle
[08:32:45] <Khyber> master of the parabola
[08:32:49] <xlefay> You ever played Venice in ET?
[08:32:53] <arti> disarm the dynamite
[08:33:11] <Khyber> Railgun, start off, get halfway down the track and start nading the uphill section of the switch
[08:33:14] * arti checks on ioquake
[08:33:21] <Khyber> oh yea played venice
[08:33:26] <Khyber> played that one temple map too
[08:33:34] <xlefay> temple sucks without >= 32 players tho
[08:33:37] <FoobarBazbot> xlefay: you see this patch for ii: http://tools.suckless.org
[08:33:45] <xlefay> so do all MLB maps
[08:34:01] <FoobarBazbot> though if you're happy with what you got, that's great, too
[08:34:17] * FoobarBazbot is not an evangelist of the one true irc client or anything
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[08:34:23] <arti> sten was cool, but you couldn't miss otherwise you were hosed
[08:34:29] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot: yeah I saw that one, but in the end it'd still require me to either write regexs for a log parser & pisg or.. rewrite the logs itself
[08:34:33] <xlefay> rofl FoobarBazbot!!!
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[08:35:08] <xlefay> That's true, you just gotta hit them heads!
[08:35:24] <crutchy> juggs: that's kinda what i found yesterday. lots of bots that do too much, as well as lots of bots that do fk all but are overcomplicated code
[08:35:55] <arti> you need a bot to connect an then log?
[08:36:22] <xlefay> eggdrop is over kill so much tbh. It's just painful to configure it "near perfectly"
[08:36:46] <xlefay> arti: got one atm.. but it's far from perfect, if you've got suggestions let me know otherwise I've gotta go build on
[08:36:47] <arti> "i hate having too many choices"
[08:36:55] <xlefay> not so much fan of the amount of choices tho
[08:36:57] <Khyber> headshotheadshotheadshot
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[08:37:07] <xlefay> Khyber: play etpro?
[08:37:11] <crutchy> the bash one i posted is prolly too simplistic. no ability to control in irc
[08:37:14] <xlefay> (or played)?
[08:37:15] <Khyber> Ding Ding Ding 'MEDIC!'
[08:37:24] <arti> v55
[08:37:26] <Khyber> I've played almost every good mod made for it
[08:37:26] <xlefay> OMG medics were painful btw
[08:37:36] <Khyber> I hated people that couldn't play medic
[08:37:40] <Khyber> nothing made me rage harder
[08:37:45] <arti> it's essential, just follow around an lt
[08:37:48] <xlefay> I hated people who only played medic and went rambo'ing
[08:37:56] <arti> teamwork f*ggots
[08:38:13] <crutchy> i like the medics in bf1942... they had bigger mags than the assault
[08:38:14] <xlefay> (that is, till I started ramboing as medic because of it)
[08:38:35] <Khyber> alright I gotta hit the hay. need to work in the morn
[08:38:36] <xlefay> eventually, you'll end up in a server with only medics... really, you either leave or... you use those sten skills you acquired as medic ;-)
[08:38:41] <Khyber> back later!
[08:38:56] <xlefay> when playing as a*
[08:38:57] <Khyber> also no, on a server of nothign but medics, you become the only engineer and bomb their shit :D
[08:39:10] <Khyber> Nade launcher takes out scores at once if done right
[08:39:20] <xlefay> Another possibility, but it's tricky.
[08:39:21] <Khyber> wait for the others to come help, nade them as well
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[08:39:28] <Khyber> I was cruel
[08:39:32] <crutchy> and engineers... good fun running up to a tank and plonking a couple of explosives on the back, duck in a hole and kaboom!
[08:39:33] <arti> be a fun idea for a mod using unreal4
[08:39:53] <Khyber> haha ET done in UT4 would be aswesome
[08:39:57] <xlefay> |PX|sato if you've heard of 'm was _cruel_ with a nade.. absolutely impossible
[08:39:58] <Khyber> but my GPU prolly wouldn't run it
[08:40:03] <Khyber> old-ass GeForce 7950GT
[08:40:05] <arti> have you seen the lighting?
[08:40:18] <arti> love how you can jump in and out through the editor
[08:40:19] <Khyber> yes, I have, baby runs it on his GTX460
[08:40:29] <Khyber> fucking nuts
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[08:41:31] * arti sifts this higher up in the todo pile
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[08:47:38] <xlefay> Hey wouldn't it be cool of those here who played ET got together one night and play some?
[08:50:19] <arti> was thinking about it, i remember it being pretty horrid looking
[08:50:52] <xlefay> All part of the fun ;D
[08:51:02] <juggs> xlefay, the more you mess with it, the more you will find it has become monolithic.
[08:51:10] * xlefay wonders what's going on with etx-real
[08:51:35] <xlefay> juggs: eggdrop?
[08:52:52] <xlefay> arti: extreal is basically a new engine for ET, it's bringing enhanced graphics.. etc, last I heard it was still in dev so not sure if it's already actually being used. The youtube videos about it look cool tho
[08:53:15] <lhnn> http://www.xonotic.org
[08:53:41] <xlefay> That looks really cool :D
[08:54:17] <lhnn> It's Nexuiz++, Nexuiz having been a fork of Q3 arena
[08:54:22] <juggs> crutchy, xlefay, there is a need for a simple framework that deals with the client <> server interactions. Maybe bake in chanserv auth / nickserv auth and leave it there.
[08:55:03] <xlefay> juggs: like twisted for Python (although.. it supports more than just the IRC protocol)
[08:56:23] <juggs> xlefay, one tool, one job.
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[08:57:08] <anthem> did the irc server go down today?
[08:57:13] <xlefay> nope
[08:57:19] <anthem> k
[08:57:28] <xlefay> not to my knowledge anyway
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[09:00:34] * MrBluze has a look around
[09:01:06] * juggs looks at MrBluze with infra-goggles
[09:02:25] * MrBluze senses he is being watched
[09:02:33] <MrBluze> bbiab ..
[09:02:40] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|bbak
[09:05:10] <juggs> And what happens when the watchers watch the watchers? SEG FAULT. or OOM denial. Recursion is a bitch.
[09:05:17] MrBluze|bbak is now known as MrBluze
[09:05:37] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[09:05:39] <MrBluze> we'll see if the CIA managed to seg-fault
[09:05:48] <MrBluze> hi MrBluze
[09:05:53] <MrBluze> segfault!
[09:05:54] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[09:06:15] <crutchy> s/mrbluze/crutchy
[09:06:24] <crutchy> fk
[09:06:29] * SedBot tosses a / to crutchy
[09:06:30] <crutchy> always forgot the /
[09:06:31] <MrBluze> fsck?
[09:07:23] <FoobarBazbot> crotchy: you can add it later if you don't say anything else in between
[09:07:25] <FoobarBazbot> s/o/u
[09:07:30] * SedBot tosses a / to FoobarBazbot
[09:07:31] <FoobarBazbot> s/o/u/
[09:08:05] <FoobarBazbot> be patient with SedBot, packages are updating on that machine right now...
[09:08:22] <MrBluze> poor widdle sedbot
[09:08:42] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> crutchy: you can add it later if you don't say anything else in between
[09:09:24] <MrBluze> critchy
[09:09:32] <MrBluze> s/i/u
[09:09:33] * SedBot offers MrBluze a /
[09:09:37] <MrBluze> s/i/u/
[09:09:37] <SedBot> <MrBluze> crutchy
[09:09:40] <MrBluze> :)
[09:09:52] <MrBluze> clever
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[09:10:22] <MrBluze> MrBloze
[09:10:27] <MrBluze> s/o/u/
[09:10:46] <crutchy> !todo make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot
[09:10:46] <Bender> todo item 5 added
[09:11:01] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[09:11:17] <MrBluze> spelling bee's
[09:11:21] <SedBot> <MrBluze> MrBluze
[09:11:34] <MrBluze> crutchy
[09:11:43] <MrBluze> mrbluze
[09:12:13] <MrBluze> hmm..
[09:12:17] <MrBluze> poutine
[09:12:25] <MrBluze> s/poutine/poooteeeine
[09:12:27] <MrBluze> s/poutine/poooteeeine/
[09:12:29] <crutchy> http://xkcd.com
[09:12:48] * SedBot offers MrBluze a /
[09:12:48] <SedBot> <MrBluze> poooteeeine
[09:12:49] <crutchy> ...like sedbot
[09:12:53] <crutchy> :-P
[09:12:55] <MrBluze> lol true
[09:13:02] <MrBluze> poutine
[09:13:32] <MrBluze> hmm .. it doesn't learn does it
[09:15:47] <crutchy> sedbot
[09:15:47] * SedBot is a 41-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:15:47] <FoobarBazbot> MrBluze: it's basically stateless except for an array of the last non-s/// line by each user
[09:16:01] <crutchy> there's gotta be something to exploit in there :-P
[09:16:15] <MrBluze> yea
[09:16:19] <MrBluze> i want it to make fun of people
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[09:17:50] <MrBluze> anyway pooteen was going on about cease and desist letters and userbase details requests and such
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[09:18:16] * FoobarBazbot saw that in scrollback, was greatly amused
[09:18:16] <crutchy> s/sedbot/Robert'); DROP TABLE Students; --/
[09:18:59] <MrBluze> lol
[09:19:58] * FoobarBazbot really shouldn't let a crappy netbook get this far out of date.
[09:20:13] <FoobarBazbot> ( 84/149) upgrading smbclient
[09:20:25] <FoobarBazbot> takes way too long
[09:21:16] <arti> make world?
[09:21:28] <FoobarBazbot> pacman -Syu
[09:22:00] <MrBluze> make clean; make world; something
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[09:23:45] <MrBluze> E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_raring-security_main_i18n_Translation-en, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[09:23:55] * MrBluze hmm's
[09:24:01] <crutchy> ahh i see your problem
[09:24:14] <crutchy> i saw "ubuntu" in there :-P
[09:24:27] <MrBluze> yeah *ducks*
[09:24:36] <MrBluze> i have a debian vm but it's not booted atm
[09:24:50] <crutchy> mine other way
[09:25:11] <arti> close MrBluze
[09:25:28] <MrBluze> i was going to set it up properly when i have time
[09:25:29] <MrBluze> close?
[09:26:08] <arti> @make world
[09:26:28] * arti isn't that familiar with doing it on linux
[09:27:17] * arti knows freebsd better
[09:27:36] * FoobarBazbot has never run freebsd, only netbsd and linux
[09:27:54] <arti> i like linux, easier to keep up to date
[09:27:59] <MrBluze> fixed it
[09:28:03] <crutchy> what u installing mrbluze?
[09:28:06] <FoobarBazbot> and it's been a few years since I had a netbsd box
[09:28:09] <MrBluze> just updates
[09:28:23] <MrBluze> had to delete the merge list
[09:28:42] * arti manifests twinkies
[09:28:50] <crutchy> looks like something that i would normally use an apt-get -f on or something like that
[09:29:00] <arti> -f = force?
[09:29:02] <MrBluze> xlefay was recommending a fedora mint type of thing .. it looked good .. but i am used to the deb way of things
[09:29:18] <arti> deb is pretty sweet, it's ruined me
[09:29:18] <crutchy> -f Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place
[09:29:18] <MrBluze> -f breaks stuff sometimes
[09:29:33] <MrBluze> it wouldn't refresh the repositories
[09:29:35] <arti> freebsd requires a bit more effort to keep up to date
[09:29:45] <crutchy> i think there's a few other options
[09:30:01] <arti> yes, i think there is a -u, used with -f.
[09:30:07] <crutchy> dpkg might has some options too
[09:30:15] <MrBluze> yeah but in this case just deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/* worked
[09:30:22] <crutchy> cool
[09:30:37] <crutchy> *tries to cram that into brain*
[09:30:47] <crutchy> *watches as something falls out other side*
[09:30:50] <MrBluze> its probably because the stupid apple that runs the vm did a reboot in the middle of something
[09:30:59] * MrBluze catches it.. ohh.. a global ;)
[09:31:00] <arti> fruity,.
[09:31:05] <arti> hahaha
[09:31:25] <crutchy> i need a try catch statement for that
[09:31:26] * MrBluze hates apple
[09:31:48] <crutchy> is that python or something?
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[09:32:14] <crutchy> *has heard of try catch but not in any of his commonly used languishes*
[09:32:15] <arti> greetings overlord
[09:32:31] <arti> exceptions :D
[09:32:38] <MrBluze> catch { something e = crutchy() }
[09:32:38] <MrBluze> catch ( something e = crutchy() ) { .. stuff; .. }
[09:32:51] <MrBluze> try catch is all over c++
[09:33:04] <MrBluze> if u dont catch sqlite3 .. it dies, guaranteed
[09:33:08] <MrBluze> exception hell that is
[09:33:19] <crutchy> lol it's in php too... i think i've used them before
[09:33:25] <crutchy> *realises what fell out other side*
[09:33:38] <MrBluze> good in php because it means the page renders and doesn't break so easily
[09:33:42] <arti> crutchy: http://phptrycatch.blogspot.com
[09:33:50] <MrBluze> gets u a nice limp mode
[09:33:55] <arti> limp mode.
[09:34:11] <arti> awesome for playing pool
[09:34:19] <MrBluze> limp mode .. when your girlfriend is ugly and a paper bag won't help
[09:34:26] <crutchy> lol
[09:34:28] <arti> i call that too much balvenie
[09:34:50] <crutchy> you need to talk to xlefay.... he can get in touch with his viagra supplier :-P
[09:34:56] <arti> no thanks
[09:35:02] * MrBluze thinks about it for a bit
[09:35:04] <arti> nightmare stories about that
[09:35:15] <arti> what happened to that guy in mexico, some politician
[09:35:15] <MrBluze> doesnt your vision go blue or soemthing
[09:35:23] <arti> more like shit doesn't go down and turns blue
[09:35:31] <arti> then they gotta drain the blood out so the clots don't go into you
[09:35:33] <crutchy> hahahaha
[09:35:51] <crutchy> rigormortis
[09:35:52] <MrBluze> oh yeah that
[09:35:55] <MrBluze> priapism
[09:36:06] <MrBluze> rigormortis is after you're dead
[09:36:16] <MrBluze> ie: when the mother in law finds out
[09:36:58] <arti> well just take more and beat her with it
[09:37:07] <arti> you'll be like maddox
[09:37:18] <arti> go around the house and break stuff
[09:37:29] <MrBluze> that's kinky
[09:37:53] <arti> "just breaking down the oak table"
[09:38:00] <arti> FWAP
[09:38:14] <arti> c-c-c-combo breaker
[09:38:40] <MrBluze> i reckon george lucas invented the light saber during a pissing contest
[09:39:07] <arti> too much asparagus
[09:39:50] <MrBluze> how does he get the red one then?
[09:39:53] <MrBluze> beetroot?
[09:39:58] <arti> yes!
[09:40:04] <arti> either that or he's got a kidney stone
[09:40:08] <arti> pissin cranberry
[09:40:31] * arti unchecks the vulgar bit
[09:40:44] <MrBluze> the kidney stone .. dunno
[09:40:51] <MrBluze> that might be where he came up with darth maul
[09:41:10] <arti> HHHHHnnnhhHGHGHhhhrrrrrraAAAAAAAa nooooooooooooooo.com
[09:41:31] * MrBluze checks the domain registry
[09:41:35] <MrBluze> hmm.. $200 for that one
[09:41:49] <arti> nelson-haha.com
[09:43:03] <MrBluze> haha
[09:43:52] <arti> hiyoooo.com
[09:44:25] <MrBluze> bbs.. lessons for kids
[09:44:40] <arti> bbw: lessons for all
[09:46:55] <FoobarBazbot> sedbot: relaoded
[09:46:55] * SedBot is a 46-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:47:01] <FoobarBazbot> s/ao/oa
[09:47:01] * SedBot tosses a / to FoobarBazbot
[09:47:04] <FoobarBazbot> s/ao/oa
[09:47:04] * SedBot offers FibarBazbot a /
[09:47:13] <FoobarBazbot> s/ao/oa/
[09:47:13] <SedBot> <FabarBazbot> sedbot: reloaded
[09:47:46] <FoobarBazbot> note he mocks people who can't/won't use the closing / properly...
[09:47:55] <FatPhil> sedbot's gained a few lines, then?
[09:47:56] * SedBot is a 46-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:48:09] <FoobarBazbot> s/ / that /
[09:48:09] <SedBot> <FabarBazbot> note that he mocks people who can't/won't use the closing / properly...
[09:49:40] <FatPhil> sedbot is not very sane
[09:49:40] * SedBot is a 46-line awk script, https://github.com
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[09:52:26] <xlefay> oh yeah crutchy, I'd be happy to forward that spam ;)
[09:52:47] <crutchy> lol
[09:52:51] <crutchy> wb xlefay
[09:53:01] <xlefay> I miss anything?
[09:53:21] <crutchy> erm... something about asparagus
[09:53:45] <xlefay> well feel free to subscribe me on that spamlist
[09:53:56] * arti checks the nicklist
[09:53:58] <crutchy> maybe they were talking about britney spears. i dunno
[09:54:03] <arti> autodefence
[09:54:10] <xlefay> is still muted no?
[09:54:21] <crutchy> automatic fence removal
[09:54:27] <arti> haha
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[09:58:00] <arti> :O
[10:00:05] <mrwizrd> morning all
[10:00:45] <arti> morning
[10:01:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BPA-Free is Probably Just as Bad for You - http://sylnt.us - better-living-through-chemistry
[10:08:20] <crutchy> #test
[10:08:54] <FoobarBazbot> Sedbot enhanced
[10:08:54] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:09:32] <FoobarBazbot> s/enhanced/mocks people who leave off /s
[10:09:39] <FoobarBazbot> s/enhanced/mocks people who leave off \/s
[10:09:40] * SedBot offers FeberBezbut a /
[10:10:08] <xlefay> LOL
[10:10:36] <FoobarBazbot> s/mocks/performs random vowel substitutions on/
[10:10:36] <SedBot> <FubirBozbot> s/enhanced/performs random vowel substitutions on people who leave off /s
[10:14:16] <crutchy> s/test/interblag/
[10:14:17] <SedBot> <crutchy> #world wide web
[10:14:30] <crutchy> s/test/interblag/
[10:14:30] <SedBot> <crutchy> #internet
[10:14:33] <crutchy> s/test/interblag/
[10:14:33] <SedBot> <crutchy> #intertubes
[10:14:38] <crutchy> it's broked :-(
[10:14:44] <xlefay> blaat
[10:14:45] <mrwizrd> /s/test/broken
[10:14:46] <xlefay> s/bl/
[10:14:46] * SedBot tosses a / to xlefiy
[10:14:51] <xlefay> s/bla\/
[10:14:52] <crutchy> lol
[10:15:02] * xlefay was trying to get it to mock him
[10:15:12] <mrwizrd> s/bl
[10:15:14] <mrwizrd> s/bl/
[10:15:14] * SedBot offers mrwizrd a /
[10:15:21] <mrwizrd> hmm
[10:15:47] <FoobarBazbot> hey, 1 in 5 times you get lucky
[10:15:50] <crutchy> s/interblag/intertubes/
[10:16:03] <crutchy> s/interblag/intertubes/
[10:16:17] <crutchy> s/interblag/intertubes/
[10:16:52] <crutchy> s/s/s\/s\/s\//
[10:17:13] <crutchy> i'm sorry sedbot
[10:17:24] <crutchy> :`-(
[10:17:41] <crutchy> he hates me
[10:17:44] * SedBot kicks crutchy
[10:17:49] <crutchy> lol
[10:17:54] <crutchy> you did that already
[10:18:22] <crutchy> sedbot!disable_random_kick
[10:18:22] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:18:23] <crutchy> :-P
[10:18:52] * SedBot kicks crutchy
[10:19:08] <SedBot> s/$/ again/
[10:19:09] <SedBot> <SedBot> kicks crutchy again
[10:19:13] <crutchy> sedbot!disable_kick_spam
[10:19:14] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:19:33] <crutchy> sedbot!kick_span_xlefay
[10:19:33] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:19:43] <crutchy> s/span/spam/
[10:19:43] <SedBot> <crutchy> sedbot!kick_spam_xlefay
[10:20:54] <xlefay> hey now
[10:22:15] <FoobarBazbot> crutchy: if you find yourself unsure what line he's matching against, you can always do s/.*/\0 /
[10:22:24] <FoobarBazbot> s/.*/\0 /
[10:22:24] <SedBot> <FoobarBazbot> crutchy: if you find yourself unsure what line he's matching against, you can always do s/.*/\0 /
[10:23:00] <FoobarBazbot> just appends a space, then you can tell which line he's looking at. Or I guess s/$/ / is shorter.
[10:23:12] <crutchy> i don't know what line i'm matching against usually
[10:23:51] <crutchy> s/crutchy's jibberish/something that makes crutchy sound smarter/
[10:24:25] <FoobarBazbot> basically, it's the last line you typed, except syntactically valid s/// expressions (whether they matched anything or not) and incomplete expressions he's responded to.
[10:24:50] <crutchy> sedbot sedbot
[10:24:50] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:25:05] <crutchy> sedbot>sedbot
[10:25:05] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:25:12] <crutchy> sedbot|sedbot
[10:25:13] * SedBot is a 49-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:25:16] <FoobarBazbot> If you botch one up in such a way he doesn't realize it was _supposed_ to be a s/// command, then of course he counts it as text to be modified
[10:25:24] <crutchy> s///
[10:27:01] <FoobarBazbot> note that he ignores s///, as there's nothing there to search for. therefore he's matching future patterns against "s///"
[10:28:05] * FoobarBazbot notes that this isn't perhaps logically tidy, but it won't matter in practice, because 's///' is a very silly thing to type, and nobody is likely to do so.
[10:29:07] <crutchy> i do
[10:29:10] <crutchy> s///
[10:29:13] <crutchy> :-P
[10:38:50] <FatPhil> there's no need to avoid doing nothing, though, surely, it's an unnecessary check?
[10:39:22] <FatPhil> like: if(!len) return; for(int i=0; i<len; ++i) { do_shit(i); }
[10:39:26] <FoobarBazbot_> Well, it's not a "check" as such, just + instead of / in the regex
[10:39:36] <FoobarBazbot_> but yeah, it dates to an earlier time
[10:39:58] <FoobarBazbot_> when even non-matching (but valid) s/// expressions produced output.
[10:40:16] <FoobarBazbot_> I'm not even sure the choice made sense then, tbh.
[10:40:45] <FoobarBazbot_> + instead of *, above.
[10:49:01] <NCommander> Hey
[10:49:03] * NCommander waves
[10:49:37] * FoobarBazbot_ waves
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[11:26:26] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot_: you ok?
[11:26:49] <FoobarBazbot_> yeah
[11:27:03] * FoobarBazbot_ is fiddling with znc
[11:27:03] <xlefay> ok, see some "too many connection" messages from you so :P
[11:27:12] <xlefay> If you need me to up your limit, let me know.
[11:27:28] <FoobarBazbot_> yeah, I tried to connect my watch, and got that.
[11:27:55] <FoobarBazbot_> so then I figured I should set up a bnc, and am now in the process of doing that.
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[11:29:50] <xlefay> FoobarBazbot_: you won't have issues anymore ;)
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[11:30:14] <xlefay> znc is awesome tho :D
[11:30:30] <FoobarBazbot_> thnx
[11:30:51] <xlefay> no worries :)
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[12:00:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Walmart Designs Futuristic Semi-Trailer Truck - http://sylnt.us - Welcome-to-the-Rig-of-Tomorrow
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[12:13:10] <TME520> Good (ugt) morning
[12:13:40] <xlefay> Good morning, how are you this very fine UGT morning?
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[12:20:49] <FoobarWristwatch> test
[12:20:52] <FoobarWristwatch> test
[12:21:03] <xlefay> test
[12:21:07] <Konomi> nope
[12:21:42] <FoobarWristwatch> Sry, wrong channel
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[12:39:56] <MrBluze> hi Konomi
[12:40:06] <Konomi> hey ~
[12:40:16] <MrBluze> how are ya?
[12:52:32] <Konomi> so so
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[12:52:40] <Konomi> nothing really changes much here hehe
[12:52:40] <MrBluze> oh
[12:52:48] <Konomi> therefor bored perhaps ;p
[12:52:49] <MrBluze> here as in where u are?
[12:52:57] <MrBluze> ive been changing
[12:52:59] <Konomi> yeah
[12:53:15] <Konomi> the equivelent of retirement city
[12:56:09] <MrBluze> .. r u in adelaide or something
[12:57:02] <lhsi> hello, I modded on the question response story so couldn't comment. just wanted to say thanks to those involved for doing it and that I appreciate the transparency.
[12:57:48] <lhsi> I've been busy this week so it's a nice way to quickly catch up with what's going on
[12:57:48] <MrBluze> oh.. the one a few days ago?
[12:57:57] <lhsi> yea, that one
[12:58:05] <MrBluze> a lot has happened even since then
[12:58:22] <MrBluze> but yeah i think u could say that transparency is a big priority at the moment
[13:01:35] * MrBluze thinks Konomi should get onto staff and do summin
[13:02:10] <Konomi> nuuu
[13:02:56] <MrBluze> lol i'll keep teasing u until u do
[13:03:06] <Konomi> ._.
[13:03:16] <Konomi> but responsibility is evil
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[13:05:39] <MrBluze> we're all evil
[13:07:39] <xlefay> Everything just fell silent when I entered didn't it? :p
[13:08:06] <MrBluze> nah
[13:08:08] <MrBluze> its slow
[13:08:17] <Khyber> I'm just waking up and heading out to work
[13:08:17] <MrBluze> i just trying to get konomi to join the dark side of the force
[13:08:19] <xlefay> aah *whew*
[13:12:09] <crutchy> someone come up with something funny to do with transparency and windows
[13:12:19] <crutchy> i'm too dumb
[13:12:20] <crutchy> :-P
[13:12:22] <xlefay> Area?
[13:12:27] <xlefay> Aero? *
[13:14:24] <MrBluze> uhm
[13:14:43] <xlefay> I best leave.
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[13:16:38] <MrBluze> i couldnt see out the window, cause it was covered by another window, so I hit the X, and the window shattered.. and
[13:16:41] <MrBluze> hmm i dunno
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[13:28:13] <MrBluze> gnite all
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[13:39:17] <NCommander> You know
[13:39:21] <NCommander> someday, when I write a damn post on SN
[13:39:27] <NCommander> It will be *less* than 3k words
[13:49:48] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:58:14] <Konomi> most accurate representation of main stream culture ever
[14:00:22] <FatPhil> That did cause audible laughter in the office...
[14:05:02] <FatPhil> I'd like to know what proportion of 25-30 year-olds are listing to stuff from 15-20 years ago still. I still listen to stuff from my "tween" years, but that's because I genuinely think it's good.
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[14:53:58] <n1_> urghhh
[14:55:55] <n1_> thst how normal people are in the morning
[14:55:57] <n1_> thats*
[14:57:02] <kobach> .07:52:48 <@xlefay> BEFORE YOU ASK
[14:57:02] <kobach> 06.07:52:55 <@xlefay> Don't mind me, I was just doing stuff.
[14:57:05] <kobach> ROFL
[14:57:13] <kobach> because you knew id look
[14:57:23] <kobach> loooooool
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[15:05:44] <xlefay> !greb 6
[15:05:46] <xlefay> !grab 6
[15:05:46] <Bender> I don't know what 6 said, so I can't quote them!
[15:05:50] <xlefay> mattie_p: nope
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[15:07:42] <NCommander> !quote 6
[15:07:42] <Bender> Quote 6 - <soulde> I have friends that are better bots than Bender
[15:07:55] <NCommander> !quote 12
[15:07:55] <Bender> Quote 12 - <martyb> mattie_p: have interest in qa/test. I like the sound of editor, but my asbestos undies are of poor manufacture.
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[15:21:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dodgy Survey Shows 1 in 10 Believe HTML is an STD? - http://sylnt.us - SGML-Type-Display
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[15:47:47] <kobach> baconserv
[15:47:51] <kobach> BACONSERV
[15:47:58] <BaconServ> yes?
[15:48:03] <Popeidol> serving the bacon
[15:48:05] <kobach> FEED ME
[15:48:18] * BaconServ waves its bacon leaves in the wind
[15:48:29] * BaconServ waves its bacon leaves in the wind
[15:48:39] * kobach grabs bacon leaves
[15:48:44] * BaconServ waves its bacon leaves in the wind
[15:48:51] <kobach> good morning Popeidol
[15:49:32] * BaconServ say hi Popeidol
[15:49:50] <BaconServ> hi Popeidol*
[15:49:57] <BaconServ> rofl
[15:50:16] <BaconServ> how are you this morning/yourtimehere
[15:50:40] * BaconServ hands xlefay a peice of bacon
[15:50:51] * BaconServ hands mattie_p a peice of bacon
[15:50:59] * BaconServ hands stderr a peice of bacon
[15:51:14] * BaconServ hands Popeidol a peice of bacon
[15:52:05] * BaconServ notes xlefay isn't here.
[15:53:38] <Popeidol> my time == pm
[15:53:43] <Popeidol> ...11pm
[15:53:54] <kobach> lol
[15:53:54] <Popeidol> and I am quite good thankyou
[15:54:02] <kobach> take the damn bacon
[15:54:14] <kobach> the bot handed you bacon, take it
[15:54:36] * Popeidol takes the bacon
[15:54:43] <kobach> rofl
[15:54:50] <kobach> put it in the fridge and save it for later at the least
[15:55:12] <Popeidol> this is all very alice in wonderland
[15:55:59] <kobach> is it
[15:56:10] <kobach> how far does the rabbit hole go
[15:58:01] <Popeidol> that depends mostly on the rabbit
[15:58:09] <kobach> lol
[15:58:12] <Popeidol> the one in the waistcoat didn't seem to be much of a workman
[15:58:12] <kobach> wabbit season
[15:58:15] <Popeidol> so I'm guessing not far
[15:58:26] <kobach> lol
[16:00:46] * BaconServ throws a frozen lb of bacon towards stderr
[16:00:59] <kobach> oh right they dont have lbs in denmark
[16:01:05] * BaconServ throws a frozen kg of bacon towards stderr
[16:01:16] <kobach> there
[16:01:18] <kobach> ill round up
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[16:10:31] <useless> haowdy all
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[16:14:26] <mattie_p> bacon++ because now I have more bacon
[16:14:30] <Bender> karma - bacon: 88
[16:14:52] <useless> mmmm, bacon
[16:18:01] <Popeidol> pigs are honestly the most convincing argument for religion I have yet found
[16:18:19] <Popeidol> something that all-round delicious cannot have occured by pure chance
[16:18:43] <useless> except in most religions, they are unclean
[16:19:03] <Popeidol> I assume it follows the classic case
[16:19:21] <useless> further proof religion just wants to keep you from the good stuff in life ;)
[16:19:28] <Popeidol> where something is so good, it has to have been put there by the devil to tempt you from the path of righteousness
[16:19:50] <useless> yep
[16:19:52] <Popeidol> because even god has limits to how much awesome he can handle
[16:21:37] <mattie_p> I think the forbidden fruit tree was a bacon tree
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[16:22:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HTTPS Can Leak Your PRIVATE Browsing - http://sylnt.us - I-can-still-see-you
[16:22:17] <Popeidol> that's a great idea
[16:22:27] <Popeidol> let's make article headlines ALL CAPS
[16:22:55] <useless> caps lock, cruise control for COOLNESS
[16:23:32] <Popeidol> ASK SN: GOOD AFFORDABLE LOW-LATENCY KEYBOARDS?!
[16:23:48] <Popeidol> in a crowded online news market, the best way to stand out is by BEING LOUDER
[16:24:17] <mattie_p> umm, lemme fix that for ya
[16:24:46] <Popeidol> mattie_p: this is actually not making a point via sarcasm
[16:24:54] <Popeidol> this is just taking an idea and running with it
[16:25:19] <useless> and shouldn't you be studying, or something? ;)
[16:25:20] <janrinok> I wasn't sure how to draw attention to it - I guess that's not the right way!
[16:25:48] <FoobarBazbot_> if your browsing is PRIVATE, why are you SHOUTING IT so LOUD the WHOLE NEGHBORHOOD can hear it!
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[16:26:15] <janrinok> Because it turns out to be not as private as I thought...
[16:26:19] <useless> haha
[16:27:11] <mattie_p> I think the headlines are already designed to draw attention. We don't need to go overboard
[16:27:25] <mattie_p> Its like this, the headline should make you want to read the summary
[16:27:25] <FatPhil> http://bash.org
[16:27:43] <mattie_p> the summary should make you want to read the articles it is based on and comment
[16:27:47] <janrinok> lol
[16:28:05] <janrinok> oh, hi mattie_p
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[16:29:28] <mattie_p> hi, janrinok
[16:30:04] <janrinok> I'm just trying to keep the list going while Cactus_ and LaminatorX(?) edit NC's doc
[16:30:55] <mattie_p> Yeah, not sure who is on that right now between them
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[16:32:34] <janrinok> hi n1
[16:36:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: which doc of NCommander's?
[16:37:26] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: https://docs.google.com
[16:37:32] <mrcoolbp> thx
[16:37:43] <mrcoolbp> lol GOOGLE DOCS again!
[16:37:55] <janrinok> Yes- we must stop doing this...
[16:38:03] <mrcoolbp> hahah
[16:41:08] <mattie_p> Blame NCommander this time :)
[16:43:12] <Popeidol> 10 anonymous animals viewing the document
[16:43:15] <Popeidol> and ncommander
[16:43:40] <janrinok> That'll make editing easier - I think.
[16:44:42] <mrcoolbp> whoa, it's long
[16:45:10] <Popeidol> you know, in-house article writin and editing si probably better suited to google wave than google docs
[16:45:21] <Popeidol> SHAME WE CANT REALLY DO THAT GOOGLE
[16:46:51] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: don't we need <br> tags for posting to main page?
[16:46:51] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: TL:DR The King is Dead, Long Live the King!
[16:46:54] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:47:20] <janrinok> No, we remove all <br> tags
[16:47:33] <mrcoolbp> k
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[16:50:34] <NecroDM> good afternoon
[16:50:35] <mattie_p> <p> tags preferred
[16:51:56] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: As NC admits, nobody comes out of it looking good, but I didn't know half of what was going on until that fateful evening.
[16:52:01] <Popeidol> I definitely appreciate the honesty of that post
[16:52:13] <Popeidol> but god it's depressing
[16:52:33] <janrinok> Let's not let it happen again!
[16:52:35] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: agreed, do we need *<p> tags?
[16:53:34] <janrinok> Yes, as mattie_p said ^, <p> is preferred and I go through replacing all <br><br> with <p>.
[16:54:28] <mrcoolbp> k I'll let you handle that = )
[16:54:53] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Unfortunately, if you submit something as Plain Text it comes littered with <br>pairs, hence my job!
[16:55:13] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I noticed, that is a pain
[16:55:54] <janrinok> Its something I would like to see changed in the future but, to be honest, its way down in terms of importance at the moment.
[16:56:38] <janrinok> There are other niggles (we don't use the default itallics etc) but they can wait.
[16:56:56] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: second page " slightly working slashcode setup working" redundant
[16:57:32] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Which document are you working on - lol?
[16:57:47] <mrcoolbp> the NC doc
[16:57:47] <Popeidol> page 3: "I will full-hardly admit"
[16:58:03] <janrinok> Popeidol: Yes, that one has been spotted.
[16:58:03] <mrcoolbp> s/ full-heatedly
[16:58:06] <mrcoolbp> oh
[16:58:24] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: second page " slightly working slashcode setup working" it's near the top
[16:59:10] <janrinok> Yes, I can see it now, but I'm not working on that at the moment. I believe Cactus_ and LaminatorX are - or at least I hope they are.
[16:59:36] <janrinok> I'm just doing the routine SN news releases
[17:00:01] <mrcoolbp> got it
[17:20:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Li-S Batteries Last Up To 2 - 5 Times Longer. - http://sylnt.us - On-and-on-and-on
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[17:28:56] <janrinok> hi martyb
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[17:30:34] <nobbis> you also have different spellings of John in that doc , ie Jon and John
[17:31:00] <janrinok> hi nobbis
[17:31:05] <nobbis> hi
[17:33:45] <nobbis> this all came as quite a shock
[17:34:31] <janrinok> Even 'insiders' were not always aware of what was happening - I count myself in that number!
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[17:36:37] <nobbis> i guess there were bound to be some hiccups, starting something like this
[17:36:46] <mrcoolbp> nobbis: yes it is all outlined in the announcement that should be up shortly
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[18:56:43] <stderr> !catchup
[18:56:56] <stderr> Or is it !catch-up ?
[18:56:57] <kobach> more like !ketchup amirite
[18:56:59] <stderr> !catch-up
[18:57:12] <kobach> i dont know what you're trying to do so i dont know the command
[18:58:02] <stderr> I was hoping the bot could give me a short summary of what had happened since I last said something. :-)
[18:59:25] <stderr> If it can't, how does it think it'll ever pass the Turing test?
[18:59:55] <stderr> :-)
[19:00:00] <SoyCow2780> test
[19:00:11] <SoyCow2780> page 3: "I'm not sure who conned it originally"
[19:00:40] <SoyCow2780> page 5: "I'm not sure who conned it originally"
[19:00:44] <SoyCow2780> err
[19:01:09] <stderr> That's "stderr", thank you very much!
[19:01:32] <SoyCow2780> page 5*: "Although I debating forcing the"
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[19:02:16] <SoyCow2780> stderr: my bad. Your nickname should be SegFault.
[19:03:10] <stderr> Too late to change that now. I've been stderr for about 20 years.
[19:05:45] <SoyCow2780> page 5: "For the most part, there was a self of "gloom", and some members of the staff beside myself." -- Can anyone translate this?
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[19:10:58] <stderr> I don't even know what you're reading...
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[19:12:59] <nobbis> stderr: its from NCommander's document
[19:13:48] <SoyCow2780_> found a few others, but copy/pasted ie messed up.
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[19:17:29] <stderr> Excuse me, but is his name "Jon" or "John"? Or is that different guys?
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[19:20:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "The Man Behind Bitcoin Has Been Found" - Newsweek - http://sylnt.us - Hide-and-Seek
[19:23:28] <SoyCow2780_> stderr: It is Mr. Barrabas. ;)
[19:23:57] <stderr> The man behind bitcoins is Mr. Barrabas?! Who would have known?!
[19:24:43] <SoyCow2780_> fo' sho. I see 'John' more often...
[19:31:39] <FoobarBazbot_> Ah, no wonder the pressure was getting to him...
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[19:43:07] <LaminatorX> Most all of the odd wordings in the google doc are changed in the pending story draft.
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[19:44:28] <LaminatorX> John is correct, which has also been corrected.
[19:44:54] <mrgirlpluggedout> Howdy, all
[19:45:01] <LaminatorX> Hey there.
[19:49:14] <LaminatorX> ATTN SOYLENTILS: While the submission queue is not empty, our increased publication pace has brought it down to less than a day's worth of stories.
[19:49:38] <LaminatorX> Now is the time for that submission you've been meaning to do.
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[19:58:39] <middlemen> I submit myself to thee, O LaminatorX
[19:59:30] <LaminatorX> You're too kind.
[20:09:29] <kobach> bacon++
[20:09:30] <kobach> bacon++
[20:09:33] <Bender> karma - bacon: 89
[20:09:34] <Bender> karma - bacon: 90
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[20:18:54] <EvilRoey> hello
[20:18:57] <EvilRoey> VitaminR: yo
[20:19:05] <EvilRoey> VitaminR: mark
[20:21:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Crimea Seeks to Join Russian Federation - http://sylnt.us - breaking-up-is-hard-to-do
[20:21:43] <EvilRoey> yeah..
[20:21:59] <EvilRoey> how much of SN's readership comes from Slashdot?
[20:22:06] <EvilRoey> Oh, and I like your story selection as well
[20:26:32] <mrgirlpluggedout> EvilRoey, how would you go about measuring that?
[20:27:25] <EvilRoey> ask?
[20:27:27] <EvilRoey> make a poll?
[20:27:35] <LaminatorX> I believe the last referrer logs I saw showed that 40% of our visits came directly from there. I don't know if that's been consistant since then.
[20:27:45] <EvilRoey> I see.
[20:28:02] <EvilRoey> How are relations with Slashdot/DICE and pipedot?
[20:28:13] <EvilRoey> btw this is my work account. VitaminR is my home accoutn.
[20:28:20] <EvilRoey> stderr: o/
[20:28:34] <EvilRoey> NCommander: o/ <-- I heard you took leadership
[20:28:44] <EvilRoey> congratulations :)
[20:29:02] <stderr> \o
[20:31:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Height and Intelligence Genetically Linked - http://sylnt.us - Crowd-of-small,-poor,-and-not-terribly-bright-people
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[20:37:52] <LaminatorX> No connection to Dice, nor any official communication that I'm aware of. We are on friendly terms with Pipedot. Many community members frequent that site as well.
[20:39:29] <middlemen> Pipedot has fewer story updates though.
[20:42:30] <EvilRoey> stderr: :)
[20:42:34] <EvilRoey> hey where are all of you?
[20:42:43] <EvilRoey> 33/m/washington dc/works in information security sector
[20:42:49] <EvilRoey> middlemen: I did notice this yes
[20:43:02] <EvilRoey> LaminatorX: ah, so there is hopefully no rivalry between pipedot and SN
[20:44:21] <FoobarBazbot_> why do I always get mod points right _after_ I've posted in all the interesting threads?
[20:44:32] * FoobarBazbot_ looks for boring threads to moderate in.
[20:46:22] <middlemen> FoobarBazbot_: how about moderating the height-intelligence article. it will be full of trolls
[20:46:29] <_NSAKEY> FoobarBazbot_: That's how Slashdot always seemed to work, too.
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[20:59:41] <FatPhil> mattie_p: "newclass" command being tested in the test channel. I think it was a good suggestion
[21:00:02] <mattie_p> ok, heading there
[21:00:24] <FatPhil> (alas I only managed to remove 90 lines when adding the feature :-( )
[21:00:37] <mattie_p> oh, so no prize for you, then
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[21:01:07] <FatPhil> I'm a bodger, not a miracle worker
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[21:01:48] <FoobarBazbot_> that's about 1.8 sedbots
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[21:03:39] <mattie_p> what is the idlerpg bot on #test?
[21:04:30] <FatPhil> mattie_p: I test on #idlenerds, bot is nerdbot
[21:05:03] <mattie_p> ahh
[21:08:35] <FatPhil> it's running locally on my home machine, not on the SN servers, so I can see all the logs and debug crap.
[21:09:08] <FatPhil> I normally try to destruction test for at least half a day before pushing the code to xlefay
[21:10:24] <mattie_p> looks like it might work
[21:10:33] <mattie_p> next level you can see my new class, maybe
[21:11:12] <mattie_p> of course, I did that after you pushed me :)
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[21:38:03] <Landon> goodbye world
[21:38:30] <Landon> I am rebooting
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[22:10:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The More Pay Secrecy, The Worse Performance - http://sylnt.us - I'll-show-you-mine-if-you-show-me-yours
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[22:38:41] <kobach> mmmmmmm
[22:38:56] * kobach hands mattie_p some smoked jowl
[22:44:38] <kobach> FatPhil: sup
[22:45:54] <FatPhil> life's good. you?
[22:45:54] <kobach> rofl
[22:45:58] <kobach> same
[22:49:27] <arti> seen this? http://img.fark.net
[22:50:03] <arti> apparently hipsters have discovered monocles
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[22:50:38] <useless> heh, just read that. catching up on diehipster.com
[22:51:03] * arti check this out
[22:51:26] <arti> s/check/checks/
[22:51:26] <SedBot> <arti> checks this out
[22:55:19] <kobach> lol
[22:55:30] <stderr> Anyone here using the developer tools in chromium (or chrome, I guess)? It used to be that you could have the "console" open in the same window as the source for the page, but now "elements" and "console" are different "tabs" in the developer tools. Does anyone know how I can get elements and console to be visible at the same time, so I can easily see how my statements in the console changes the code for the page?
[22:55:59] <arti> is this the result of a magic upgrade
[22:56:07] <kobach> lol
[22:56:14] * kobach hands stderr some smoked jowl
[22:56:17] <arti> "oh hey logged in and shits different"
[22:56:47] * BaconServ hands arti a slice of smoked jowl
[22:57:08] * BaconServ hands kobach a slice of smoked jowl
[22:57:13] <kobach> mmmmmm thanks BaconServ
[22:57:34] <arti> unsmoked bowl pls
[22:57:41] * Konomi yawns
[22:57:50] * Konomi wants a real bacon bot
[22:57:51] <kobach> Konomi: want some pork for breakfast
[22:57:59] <Konomi> oink ~
[22:58:02] <arti> be kinda creepy, a b800 baconator bot
[22:58:07] * BaconServ hands Konomi some smoked jowl
[22:58:12] <stderr> My browser is usually open for weeks in a row, but yesterday or the day before I closed my browser and when I re-opened it, the dev. tools had changed. Chromium was probably part of an aptitude upgrade weeks ago... I just didn't notice until now. :-/
[22:58:17] <arti> hahahaha
[22:58:20] <Konomi> probably not in the morning I am pretty touchy with food
[22:58:24] <arti> i too suffer from this affliction
[22:58:30] <kobach> lmao
[22:58:37] <arti> konomi: how do you eat without touching your food?
[22:58:54] <useless> very carefully
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[22:58:58] <arti> you must use the force
[22:58:59] <kobach> rofl
[22:59:42] <arti> "once it goes in my mouth it winks out of existence and my nutrition counters increment"
[23:00:08] <arti> i think it's the food.destroy method that triggers that
[23:00:09] <stderr> If anyone has a hint, please let me know. It's extremely annoying to have to switch tab all the time. :-(
[23:00:42] <hka> move it to another window?
[23:00:54] <arti> in crome i've always had the console and elements on different tabs :/
[23:00:55] <Konomi> don't rely on chromium for deving?
[23:01:15] <arti> konomi: far too easy of a solution, we need to somehow patch it
[23:01:24] <Konomi> patch it with bacon
[23:01:29] <arti> Konomi++
[23:01:33] <Bender> karma - konomi: 7
[23:01:44] <arti> so use bacondiff
[23:01:47] <stderr> hka: How?
[23:02:02] <useless> is there anything in chrome://flags
[23:02:38] <hka> dunno, don't us chrome, but if you can have it in two tabs, can't you move one of the tabs to another window an have the two open side by side?
[23:02:47] <hka> s/us/use/
[23:02:47] <SedBot> <hka> dunno, don't use chrome, but if you can have it in two tabs, can't you move one of the tabs to another window an have the two open side by side?
[23:05:07] <stderr> hka: It's not normal browser tabs, but "tabs" in the developer tools. :-/
[23:05:18] <arti> uploading a screenshot
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[23:07:08] <kobach> mattie_p: stderr: https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net
[23:07:23] <kobach> bacon caramel brownie
[23:07:38] <Konomi> ewww
[23:07:44] <kobach> Konomi: get out
[23:07:52] <arti> stderr: http://antiartificial.com this?
[23:07:59] <Konomi> ruining bacon and cakes all at the same time
[23:08:06] <kobach> Konomi: get out
[23:08:16] <arti> i've done the bacon brownie thing, yay for fair food
[23:08:21] <arti> it wasn't that amazing
[23:08:29] <stderr> Will see in a second, relaunching Chromium after "Enable Developer Tools experiments."...
[23:08:34] <kobach> you didnt get a very good one
[23:08:45] <kobach> was it just bacon + brownie
[23:08:46] <arti> more like $5 for that shit ruined it
[23:08:49] <Cactus_> Waste of good bacon, really.
[23:08:49] <kobach> or did it have caramel
[23:09:04] <arti> they wrapped it in bacon, got like 3 bites
[23:09:10] <kobach> oh lol
[23:09:17] <kobach> thats no way to do it
[23:09:28] <arti> i burned the roof of my mouth with the chocolate
[23:09:36] <Konomi> hate that
[23:09:50] <arti> it was a lesson in patience
[23:09:55] <kobach> lol
[23:10:14] <Konomi> I burned the roof of my mouth badly once was peeling skin off of it for awhile ;_;
[23:10:28] <arti> wtf did you eat
[23:10:32] <arti> "oh look, coals!"
[23:10:36] <Konomi> think it was hot soup
[23:10:51] <Konomi> was ages ago so I am kinda fuzzy on the details
[23:11:29] <Konomi> then again I am kinda fuzzy on yesterdays details
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[23:13:29] <stderr> arti: If that's the console, you got at the bottom, then yes... In the meantime I found it... It's apparently called a "drawer" now... (Ok?)
[23:13:56] <arti> AAAAH i see
[23:14:11] <arti> little >= thing in the upper right
[23:14:54] <stderr> Yes. I found that...
[23:15:26] <stderr> But Weeeee!!! It works again... Great...
[23:16:13] <stderr> Now, if only I could get Shift-Ctrl-J to open on the elements "tab" WITH that console "drawer" open...
[23:16:41] <stderr> But anyway... Thank!
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[23:16:50] <stderr> s/!/s!/
[23:16:50] <SedBot> <stderr> But anyway... Thanks!
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[23:31:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Extraordinary Discovery in Evanescent Light Waves - http://sylnt.us - I-wasn't-expecting-that
[23:32:48] <Bender> [stderr_dk] Please fix SoylentBender, so the news headlines ain't repeated.
[23:34:59] <mattie_p> kobach, my wife made me a bacon cake one year for my birthday
[23:35:34] <mattie_p> It was red velvet, cream cheese/maple syrup icing, with bacon
[23:36:53] <Landon> stderr, they're repeated?
[23:37:10] <stderr> Yes.
[23:37:28] <Landon> I'm pretty sure we would see it in here if bender was also sending them to ##AltSlashdot :\
[23:38:10] <Bender> [Landon] SoylentBender: apro rss
[23:38:10] <Bender> [!] commands matching rss: rss-add, rss-addchannel, rss-additem, rss-addmarkup, rss-all, rss-channels, rss-del, rss-delchannel, rss-delitem, rss-delmarkup, rss-description, rss-feeds, rss-get, rss-import, rss-itemslist, rss-link, rss-list, rss-markup, rss-markuplist, rss-register, rss-running, rss-scan, rss-search, rss-setitems, rss-setsleeptime, rss-seturl, rss-sleeptime, - 1 more
[23:38:19] <Bender> [Landon] SoylentBender: rss-delchannel SoylentNews
[23:38:19] <Bender> [!] we are not monitoring SoylentNews on (bender-freenode,##altslashdot)
[23:38:27] <Bender> [Landon] SoylentBender: rss-delchannel --chan ##AltSlashdot SoylentNews
[23:38:27] <Bender> [!] we are not monitoring SoylentNews on (bender-freenode,##altslashdot)
[23:39:46] <kobach> mattie_p: i love your wife
[23:39:50] <kobach> lol
[23:39:59] <kobach> im going to make that for myself here soon
[23:40:02] <mattie_p> I love her too
[23:40:06] <mattie_p> she is the best
[23:40:10] <kobach> obviously
[23:40:13] <mattie_p> bacon++
[23:40:17] <Bender> karma - bacon: 91
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[23:40:20] <kobach> bacon++
[23:40:23] <kobach> cake++
[23:40:26] <kobach> fuck
[23:40:29] <stderr> bacon++
[23:40:33] <kobach> no
[23:40:34] <kobach> hes gone
[23:40:40] <stderr> Damn it! We broke Bender...
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[23:40:55] <kobach> i blame mattie_p's wifes awesome cake
[23:40:55] <stderr> Bender!!!
[23:40:56] <stderr> bacon++
[23:40:59] <kobach> bacon++
[23:41:01] <Bender> karma - bacon: 92
[23:41:03] <kobach> cake++
[23:41:03] <Bender> karma - bacon: 93
[23:41:06] <Bender> [stderr_dk] bacon++
[23:41:07] <Bender> karma - cake: 2
[23:41:14] <Bender> [!] karma - bacon: 2
[23:41:20] <Bender> [kobach] bacon++
[23:41:28] <Bender> [!] karma - bacon: 3
[23:41:37] <kobach> rofl
[23:41:54] <pbnjoe> poor Bender
[23:42:01] <kobach> HI pbnjoe
[23:42:03] <mattie_p> kobach: my wife says you are smart for agreeing she is the best.
[23:42:09] <kobach> lol
[23:42:10] <pbnjoe> Hey kobach
[23:42:15] <pbnjoe> :)
[23:42:26] <mattie_p> and if we had a link to the chat from the main page she'd tell you herself
[23:42:33] <kobach> lol
[23:42:59] <kobach> im going to have to ask her pretty please make it again if i plan a trip over there
[23:43:52] <Bender> [Landon] wait
[23:43:55] <Bender> [Landon] I have a better part message
[23:43:57] <Bender> [Landon] Mischief Managed
[23:44:00] <Bender> [Landon] ok, now I'm gone
[23:46:52] <pbnjoe> All seems well in the SN world today; happy to see that
[23:46:56] <pbnjoe> !current-uid
[23:46:56] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 3664, owned by archshade
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[23:47:05] <pbnjoe> users still slowly going up
[23:47:12] <kobach> bacon++ # bacon
[23:47:16] <Bender> karma - bacon: 94
[23:47:17] <kobach> pbnjoe++ # canadian
[23:47:22] <Bender> karma - pbnjoe: 2
[23:47:27] <kobach> !whyup pbnjoe
[23:47:27] <Bender> no reasons for karmaup of pbnjoe known yet
[23:47:30] <kobach> whore
[23:47:36] <pbnjoe> :S
[23:47:39] <stderr> bacon++ # for being bacon!
[23:47:42] <mechanicjay> whore++
[23:47:43] <Bender> karma - bacon: 95
[23:47:44] <kobach> !whyup bacon
[23:47:44] <Bender> no reasons for karmaup of bacon known yet
[23:47:46] <Bender> karma - whore: 2
[23:47:46] <kobach> wtf
[23:47:52] <kobach> hi mechanicjay
[23:47:57] <mechanicjay> yo
[23:48:05] <kobach> we're talking about bacon cakes
[23:48:07] <stderr> Bender-- # For being stupid!
[23:48:11] <Bender> karma - bender: -8
[23:48:13] <kobach> Bender--
[23:48:13] <Bender> karma - bender: -9
[23:48:17] <kobach> poutine--
[23:48:21] <Bender> karma - poutine: -226
[23:48:23] <pbnjoe> kobach, was it not you who upped me the first time out of pity? I ain't no whore
[23:48:24] <mechanicjay> when are you not talking about bacon* ?
[23:48:30] <kobach> i dont think so
[23:48:39] <pbnjoe> mighta been xlefay
[23:48:40] <pbnjoe> idk
[23:48:40] <kobach> mechanicjay: lately, just when im sleeping
[23:48:44] <mattie_p> mechanicjay when he is talking about Bacon, of course
[23:48:56] <mechanicjay> this sounds like a personal problem to me
[23:48:56] <mattie_p> obviously different subject
[23:49:02] <kobach> oh its no problem
[23:49:12] <mattie_p> mechanicjay-- #seems to not like bacon.
[23:49:13] <kobach> its very delicious
[23:49:16] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: -1
[23:49:17] <kobach> mattie_p: rofl
[23:49:26] * mechanicjay likes bacon just fine
[23:49:37] <kobach> mechanicjay++
[23:49:43] * pbnjoe eats a leaf off of BaconServ
[23:49:48] <mattie_p> look, we just have to accept that bacon is the new grits of this site
[23:49:53] <mechanicjay> I just don't go sharing my porcine lust with the world
[23:50:11] * BaconServ hands mechanicjay a bacon leaf
[23:50:12] <mattie_p> hot_bacon_on_poutine++
[23:50:19] <kobach> mattie_p: jesus
[23:50:41] * BaconServ waves its bacon leaves
[23:50:42] <mattie_p> and we broke Bender again
[23:50:46] <kobach> yes
[23:50:54] <kobach> that good of a meal will break bender
[23:50:59] <kobach> thats simply too much
[23:51:20] <mattie_p> bacon > hot grits anyway
[23:51:32] <kobach> yea grits kinda suck
[23:51:38] <pbnjoe> Bender, start working again so I can up hot bacon on poutine
[23:51:39] <Bender> started: working, again, so, I, can, up, hot, bacon, on, poutine
[23:51:43] <pbnjoe> oops
[23:51:44] <mattie_p> they're ok, but they are no bacon
[23:51:45] <pbnjoe> crap
[23:51:49] <pbnjoe> didn't know that's a comman
[23:51:50] <pbnjoe> d
[23:51:56] <kobach> rofl
[23:51:57] <pbnjoe> :S
[23:52:00] <kobach> look what you did now
[23:52:17] <kobach> Bender: stop working again so I can up hot bacon on poutine
[23:52:17] <Bender> choose one of: relay-stop, rss-stop, admin-stop
[23:52:19] <mattie_p> Bender: start getting me a beer and bacon
[23:52:19] <Bender> started: getting, me, a, beer, and, bacon
[23:52:22] <kobach> uh oh
[23:52:26] <pbnjoe> we can't stop it
[23:52:38] <kobach> once you start you cant stop
[23:52:47] <pbnjoe> hot_bacon_on_poutine++
[23:52:50] <kobach> im not sure what we started tbqh
[23:52:54] <pbnjoe> neither am I
[23:52:55] <kobach> hotbacononpoutine++
[23:53:04] <pbnjoe> he's just having none of it
[23:53:07] <kobach> hotpoutine++
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[23:53:14] <pbnjoe> but he'll start lots of singleword tasks apparently
[23:53:14] <kobach> poutine--
[23:53:19] <pbnjoe> who made bender?
[23:53:20] <kobach> hes broken
[23:53:25] <mattie_p> Landon, I think
[23:53:30] <kobach> we broke it
[23:53:33] <Landon> ?
[23:53:35] <Landon> works for me
[23:53:36] <Landon> bacon--
[23:53:36] <Bender> karma - bacon: 94
[23:53:39] <pbnjoe> :S
[23:53:43] <mattie_p> hot_bacon_on_poutine++
[23:53:43] <Bender> karma - hot_bacon_on_poutine: 1
[23:53:48] <pbnjoe> what does the start command start exactly?
[23:53:51] <stderr> Landon-- # For downvoting bacon
[23:53:52] <Bender> karma - landon: 15
[23:53:57] <kobach> rofl stderr
[23:53:58] <stderr> bacon++ # Because it's bacon...
[23:53:58] <Bender> karma - bacon: 95
[23:54:05] <kobach> crazy dane
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[23:54:19] <mattie_p> Bender-- #didn't get me a beer when I asked
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[23:54:26] <mattie_p> dammit
[23:54:28] <pbnjoe> aw
[23:54:29] <useless> ha
[23:54:32] <kobach> wasnt me
[23:54:44] <pbnjoe> I think I'm going to stop talking to bots for a while hahaha
[23:54:47] <Landon> :}
[23:54:53] <kobach> rofl pbnjoe
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[23:55:00] <pbnjoe> but seriously Landon what's that start command all about
[23:55:01] <mattie_p> Bender-- #didn't get me a beer when I asked
[23:55:01] <Bender> karma - bender: -10
[23:55:06] <Landon> pbnjoe: start command?
[23:55:12] <pbnjoe> bender start dancing on the floor
[23:55:20] <Landon> oh
[23:55:21] <Landon> good god
[23:55:32] <kobach> LOL
[23:55:33] <Landon> it's for starting fleet bots
[23:55:37] <Landon> thankfully it doesn't autocreate them
[23:55:40] <mattie_p> Bender: get me skynet on the line
[23:55:40] <pbnjoe> if I put a capital B he'd start dancing, on, the, floor
[23:55:40] <Bender> we don't have a me rss item
[23:55:41] <pbnjoe> oh :P
[23:55:50] <mattie_p> Bender: start and get me skynet on the line
[23:55:50] <Bender> started: and, get, me, skynet, on, the, line
[23:55:54] <kobach> LOL
[23:55:57] <Landon> !karma bacon
[23:55:57] <Bender> karma of bacon is 95
[23:56:33] <kobach> Bender: get soylentnews
[23:56:33] <Bender> we don't have a soylentnews rss item
[23:56:37] <kobach> Bender: get sn
[23:56:37] <Bender> we don't have a sn rss item
[23:56:46] <mattie_p> Bender: get Resignation
[23:56:46] <Bender> we don't have a Resignation rss item
[23:57:01] <mattie_p> Bender: get better programming
[23:57:01] <Bender> we don't have a better rss item
[23:57:06] <kobach> lol
[23:57:09] <pbnjoe> Bender get index
[23:57:18] <mattie_p> need colon:
[23:57:20] <kobach> get bent
[23:57:21] <pbnjoe> oh
[23:57:23] <pbnjoe> xD
[23:57:23] <Landon> Bender: get SoylentNews
[23:57:24] <kobach> lol
[23:57:27] <Bender> results of SoylentNews: [SoylentNews] - Extraordinary Discovery in Evanescent Light Waves - http://sylnt.us - I-wasn't-expecting-that || The More Pay Secrecy, The Worse Performance - http://sylnt.us - I'll-show-you-mine-if-you-show-me-yours || Why Stupid DRM Might Be Good - http://sylnt.us - cup-too-far || Height and Intelligence Genetically Linked - 2 more
[23:57:38] <kobach> case sensetive
[23:57:40] <pbnjoe> sitting here chuckling at get bent
[23:57:47] <kobach> pbnjoe: rofl
[23:57:56] <mattie_p> Bender: go bend yourself
[23:58:03] <mattie_p> no go command
[23:58:04] <FatPhil> what's the message server bot, for leaving people messages who are off-line?
[23:58:29] <kobach> /msg memoserv help
[23:58:54] <FatPhil> memo! I tried every way of shortening 'message', but got nowhere - thanks!
[23:59:42] <kobach> lol