#QandA | Logs for 2016-03-07

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[05:37:55] <SirFinkus> .op
[05:37:55] -!- mode/#QandA [+o SirFinkus] by Zeus
[05:37:57] <Deucalion> Yes this channel is logged
[05:37:58] SirFinkus changed topic of #QandA to: This is the SoylentNews QandA (Question and Answer) channel; it is a moderated channel, other unvoiced users will not be able to read your messages. Please post your question and wait for a staff member to get back to you
[05:38:05] <Deucalion> now
[05:38:06] <SirFinkus> something like that
[05:38:11] <SirFinkus> idk
[05:38:31] <SirFinkus> probably needs to be cleaned up
[05:38:52] <Bytram> successive approximations and improvements... we'll get there
[05:39:37] <SirFinkus> I'm a member on a few websites that have similar channels, they're either moderated, or there's a strict rule on "chatting" in the channel
[05:40:01] <Deucalion> Yeah - hence my stance that we are not prepared for a live Q&A in this format... we have the means and nouse to do it, just we're unprepared. All staff need to know how this works and we need to explain how this shit works to any participants so we don't piss people off
[05:40:16] <SirFinkus> makes sense
[05:40:47] <Deucalion> .unvoice SoyDrone0565
[05:40:52] <SirFinkus> also should probably have a cache of links to policies or something set up, something a bit more centralized
[05:40:53] <Deucalion> hmmm
[05:41:08] <Deucalion> .devoice SoyDrone0565
[05:41:08] -!- mode/#QandA [-v SoyDrone0565] by Zeus
[05:41:10] <Deucalion> ahhh
[05:41:14] <SirFinkus> the wiki kind of works, but someone had a question about sub benefits the other day, and iirc, it took some doing to find
[05:41:47] <Deucalion> see... this is why we need docs for this.... I'm supposed to be clued up on this and I'm still dicking around between .unvoice and .devoice
[05:42:25] <SirFinkus> why don't you just devoice me, I can type some stuff, and you guys can see if everything is working as intended
[05:42:29] <SirFinkus> instead of faffing with bots
[05:42:44] <Deucalion> The wiki search is terrible, it's easier to use Google site:wiki:SN "phrase" than use the in wiki search
[05:42:58] <SirFinkus> well, like the faq http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:42:59] <Deucalion> .deop SirFinkus
[05:42:59] -!- mode/#QandA [-o SirFinkus] by Zeus
[05:43:09] <Deucalion> .devoice SirFinkus
[05:43:09] -!- mode/#QandA [-v SirFinkus] by Zeus
[05:43:32] <Deucalion> type away... me and Bytram should see it, drone should not
[05:43:39] <Deucalion> SirFinkus^^
[05:44:51] <Deucalion> .voice SirFinkus
[05:44:51] -!- mode/#QandA [+v SirFinkus] by Zeus
[05:44:56] <Deucalion> .op SirFinkus
[05:44:56] -!- mode/#QandA [+o SirFinkus] by Zeus
[05:45:03] <SirFinkus> it might be a server side hack
[05:46:58] <SirFinkus> isn't that how staff worked (or was supposed to work) back when there were still staff meetings about stuff?
[05:47:23] <Deucalion> Or I am mis-remembering... or Charybdis deals with moderated channels differently than other ircd's I have dealt with.
[05:47:23] <Bytram> ISTR it had the same behaviour
[05:47:29] <Bytram> no idea about how it was implmented
[05:47:50] * Deucalion prays to xlefay :D
[05:47:52] <SirFinkus> did you guys ever actually test it?
[05:48:07] <Deucalion> test what?
[05:48:21] <SirFinkus> whether the moderated thing worked like you expected it
[05:48:33] <SirFinkus> unvoiced comments being viewable only by admins etc
[05:49:21] <SirFinkus> not trying to be an asshole about it, just genuinely curious
[05:49:39] <SirFinkus> I don't remember it ever really being used all that much
[05:50:13] <Deucalion> I just created this channel and this ~is~ testing it :D That's how moderated channels have always worked IME.... clearly I was mistaken and will look to what was done with #staff
[05:50:44] <SirFinkus> well, I was just wondering if it ever worked that way in staff
[05:50:48] <SirFinkus> like, confirmed
[05:51:00] <Bytram> did a heck of a job in really short order... /meis veryimpressed!
[05:51:09] <Deucalion> Moderation (+m) is very rarely used on IRC..... mebbe....
[05:51:12] <Deucalion> .quiet
[05:51:22] <SirFinkus> yeah, I think it is pretty rare
[05:51:30] <Deucalion> .quiet #QandA *
[05:51:53] <SirFinkus> I've seen it used in automated channels, similar to #comments
[05:51:56] <Deucalion> .quiet #QandA *!*@*
[05:51:57] <SirFinkus> meant to be read only
[05:52:08] <SirFinkus> no Deucalion
[05:52:12] <SirFinkus> sudo make me a sandwich
[05:53:07] <Bytram> pseudo make me a sandwitch
[05:53:36] <Deucalion> sudo I'm going to ingest some nicotine at this point.... Bytram, get thyself to bed, you were falling off the perch hours ago, I would never detain a man from their sleepage
[05:54:17] <Bytram> I took a 90 minute nap earlier... but I do need to be at workd in just under 9 hours, so some more sleep is in order.
[05:54:22] <SirFinkus> might have been my fault lol
[05:54:22] <Bytram> will comply.
[05:54:29] <SirFinkus> sudo go to bed
[05:54:34] <Bytram> ROFL!!
[05:54:42] <Bytram> and THAT is what friends are for!
[05:54:54] <SirFinkus> sleep 32400
[05:55:14] <Bytram> thanks for the laugh to head off to bed with!
[05:55:16] <Deucalion> isn't it sudo systemctl sleepd activate or something?
[05:55:26] <SirFinkus> lol
[05:55:30] <SirFinkus> just as you said that
[05:55:37] <SirFinkus> I was checking my sleep syntax
[05:55:41] <SirFinkus> man sleep
[05:55:52] <SirFinkus> and it autocompleted to man sleepservicesd
[05:55:56] <Bytram> sexist command
[05:56:43] <Bytram> laters
[05:56:45] <Deucalion> I'm not sure I can afford a visiting sleepservicesd
[05:56:47] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[05:56:51] <Deucalion> night Bytram|away
[05:56:55] <Bytram|away> g'night!
[05:57:07] <SirFinkus> christ, go to bed already Bytram|away
[05:57:22] <SirFinkus> been saying goodnight for like 5 minutes
[05:57:50] <Deucalion> :D He's QA thru and thru... can't sleep if there is a mystery around that needs solving :D
[05:58:25] <SirFinkus> gonna pm you, might have some relevant stuff I don't really want logged
[06:05:46] <SirFinkus> +u might be helpful
[06:06:02] <SirFinkus> Users can only see their own nick and the nicks of operators in the nick list for the channel.
[06:20:34] -!- mode/#QandA [-m #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:20:35] -!- mode/#QandA [+m #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:21:40] -!- mode/#QandA [+z #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:23:04] -!- mode/#QandA [-z #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:23:09] -!- mode/#QandA [+z #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:23:48] <SirFinkus> I saw it
[06:23:55] <SirFinkus> but did the proles?
[06:24:07] <Deucalion> bringing in drone 2
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[06:25:34] <Deucalion> 565 did not see that
[06:25:41] <SirFinkus> yay
[06:25:54] <Deucalion> .voice SoyDrone0566
[06:25:54] -!- mode/#QandA [+v SoyDrone0566] by Zeus
[06:26:16] <SoyDrone0566> now I have voice.... does 565 see me?
[06:26:50] <Deucalion> .devoice SoyDrone0566
[06:26:50] -!- mode/#QandA [-v SoyDrone0566] by Zeus
[06:27:18] <SirFinkus> leave prole
[06:27:30] <Deucalion> 565 does not see that
[06:28:00] <Deucalion> It's not elegant though... #staff used .quiet for moderation.
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[06:30:30] <Deucalion> I need to look into that... xlefay at his finest no doubt... but at least we have a basic grasp on wtf... you more than me I suspect :D
[06:30:44] <Deucalion> Thanks for your help
[06:30:54] <SirFinkus> not really, never used the ircd involved
[06:32:18] <Deucalion> I've only ever seen a moderated channel make unvoiced comments visible only to chanops not outright block them like that. Live and learn :D
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[06:34:49] <Deucalion> .voice SoyDrone0566
[06:34:49] -!- mode/#QandA [+v SoyDrone0566] by Zeus
[06:35:08] <SoyDrone0566> meep
[06:35:57] <Deucalion> OK - so +z needed for what I thought was normal moderated channel behaviour. ~shrug~
[06:36:15] <Deucalion> .devoice SoyDrone0566
[06:36:15] -!- mode/#QandA [-v SoyDrone0566] by Zeus
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[06:36:45] <SirFinkus> still gotta have the +m though
[06:37:00] <Deucalion> yup - without the +m anyone can yack
[06:37:36] <Deucalion> Does this channel show as +s for you?
[06:38:07] -!- mode/#QandA [-s #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:38:09] -!- mode/#QandA [+s #QandA] by Deucalion
[06:38:15] <SirFinkus> yes
[06:39:02] <Deucalion> Heh, did you set that? I don't think I did :/
[06:39:15] <SirFinkus> didn't see anything after yes
[06:41:47] <Deucalion> OK... enough for me tonight, back is broken on this, I'll look at #staff later, we have the basics of moderation up in here now. Thanks again for your help SirFinkus.
[06:42:19] <SirFinkus> sure, although I don't think staff is even used anymore
[06:45:07] <Deucalion> Not used in a long while, we used to use it for board meetings and I am sure we used to use .quiet to stop floods from the unvoiced.... as I say, I need to look at the perms on it... perm masking on this ircd can get a bit mad once you delve into them. I'm sure xlefay had them all in his head.... I'm no xlefay :D
[06:47:36] <SirFinkus> sudo /etc/inti.d/xlefay restard
[06:47:44] <SirFinkus> sudo /etc/inti.d/xlefay restart
[06:49:38] <Deucalion> sudo systectl service xlefay reanimate
[06:50:12] <Deucalion> ~sigh~ I'd never make a good EMT
[06:50:34] <Deucalion> sudo systemctl service xlefay reanimate
[06:50:42] <Deucalion> sudo su -
[06:51:10] <Deucalion> systemctl xlefay reanimate
[06:51:30] <Deucalion> damn
[06:52:47] <Deucalion> I guess we're not in Kansas anymore.... I'm away, be well
[06:53:18] <SirFinkus> cya
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[14:28:29] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away