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[14:16:53] * janrinok wonders is Bytram is still sleeping....
[14:17:07] <janrinok> s/is/if/
[14:17:09] <exec> <janrinok> wonders if Bytram is still sleeping....
[14:26:19] <Bytram> janrinok: yes.
[14:32:02] <janrinok> lol
[14:34:45] <Bytram> "Are you asleep?" "Yes."
[14:49:49] <Bytram> I am trying to plan out my day and it's looking like IRL stuff needs a priority today.
[14:50:25] <janrinok> k - get stuck in to the chores and paper work!
[14:50:46] <Bytram> Basically, yes.
[14:52:14] <janrinok> I try not to do anything more than necessary once I have finished Friday's chores until Monday morning. There is still a lot to do with S, but I do _try_ to relax a little.
[14:53:08] <Bytram> Good. For. You!
[14:53:35] <janrinok> But, if you are happy, we can set ourselves a goal of getting you networked computers by the end of the weekend if you wish, or get back to getting the windows transfer done
[14:53:51] <Bytram> In that case, I'll trundle along on my own until Monday and help you get a much-needed break!
[14:53:56] <janrinok> s/you/your/
[14:53:58] <exec> <janrinok> But, if your are happy, we can set ourselves a goal of getting you networked computers by the end of the weekend if you wish, or get back to getting the windows transfer done
[14:54:09] <janrinok> this isn't work!
[14:54:10] <Bytram> LOL
[14:54:25] <Bytram> Oh, you are actually enjoying this?
[14:54:49] <janrinok> if I wasn't chatting with you I would be writing software - my computers are my hobby
[14:54:55] <Bytram> It *does* give you an opportunity to get some good laughs at my expense!
[14:55:02] <Bytram> ;)
[14:55:05] <Bytram> k
[14:55:09] <janrinok> oh, I was hoping you had forgotten that....
[14:55:55] <Bytram> I want you to promise me that if this becomes at all burdensome, that you will speak up and let me know. There is nothing I am doing atm that is time-critical!
[14:56:01] <Bytram> forgotten what?
[14:56:19] <janrinok> when I stop replying I am either busy or have had enough!
[14:56:25] <Bytram> k
[14:56:44] <janrinok> of course I will mention it - if it stops being fun why would I do it?
[14:59:53] <Bytram> I can't read minds, so I try to be sure by asking questions!
[15:00:01] <janrinok> fairy nuff
[15:00:11] <Bytram> brb
[15:23:19] * Bytram just had a thought. Given switching between TV inputs is not entirely convenient... maybe I should get a RPi and set it up as the sole connection to the TV and send each lappy's output to the RPi to display... Maybe using something like X Window?
[15:31:59] <Bytram> =g "Windows Easy Transfer" Windows 7 -XP
[15:32:00] <systemd> http://www.prolific.com.tw - How to Copy Windows Easy Transfer program from Windows 7/8 to ...
[15:32:36] <Bytram> =g "Windows Easy Transfer" Windows 7 -XP -prolific
[15:32:37] <systemd> https://www.microsoft.com - Download Windows Easy Transfer for transferring from Windows ...
[15:33:23] <Bytram> =g download Microsoft "Windows Easy Transfer" Windows 7 -XP -prolific
[15:33:24] <systemd> https://www.microsoft.com - Download Windows Easy Transfer for transferring from Windows ...
[15:35:22] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:35:23] <systemd> ^ 03Windows Easy Transfer - Wikipedia
[15:35:27] <Bytram> ^^^ "Windows Easy Transfer was introduced in Windows Vista and is included in Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1. It replaces the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard included with Windows XP and offers limited migration services for computers running Windows 2000 SP4 and Windows XP SP2.[2] For all versions of Windows, it does not transfer applications—only files and settings.[3]"
[15:35:50] <Bytram> Well, that is not as useful as it looked to be at first/ :P
[15:38:32] <Bytram> Is it down, again? https://opensuse.org
[15:38:33] <systemd> ^ 03The makers' choice for sysadmins, developers and desktop users. ( https://www.opensuse.org )
[15:39:07] <Bytram> http://download.opensuse.org
[15:39:10] <systemd> ^ 03Index of /repositories/home:/stevenpusser/xUbuntu_19.04/i386
[15:39:43] <Bytram> http://download.opensuse.org
[15:39:44] <systemd> ^ 03Index of /
[15:41:18] <Bytram> =g https port number
[15:41:19] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org(computer_networking) - Port (computer networking) - Wikipedia
[15:41:30] <Bytram> =g "https" port number
[15:41:31] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org(computer_networking) - Port (computer networking) - Wikipedia
[15:42:41] <Bytram> https://195.135.221.162:443
[15:43:13] <Bytram> https://195.135.221.162
[15:44:01] <Bytram> https://download.opensuse.org
[15:44:04] <systemd> ^ 03Index of /
[18:22:53] <janrinok> sry - been away cooking and eating
[19:20:47] <Bytram> hopefully in that order!
[19:21:10] <janrinok> no, I eat it first then sit in the microwave for 15 minutes...
[19:21:32] <janrinok> I've got a great tan...
[19:22:21] * Bytram has been investigating KVM switches... have concerns about UHD 60, and the switch maintaining 'presence' so that if I switch from PC1 to PC2, PC1 thinks it still has a display connected to it.
[19:22:33] <Bytram> And glowing accolades, I'm sure!
[19:22:37] <Bytram> Even in the dark!
[19:22:57] <janrinok> lol
[19:24:29] <Bytram> Separately, I've trying to figure out how to get actual Windows an *product key" for each of the lappy's "Refurbished PC Certificae of Authenticity" hologram labels I have... and so far, no joy. :P
[19:24:36] <janrinok> I don't know much about particular brands, but of course I know what they do.
[19:24:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:26:17] <janrinok> sorry - I can't help on that problem. The last Windows I actually used was win2000 although I have a win7 pro disk, and a win 7 home (32 bit) but have never used them much. I only used the 32 bit for updating my GPS with maps.
[19:27:34] <janrinok> have you tried the key that I gave you? It wasn't restricted to any specific make or model
[19:27:45] <Bytram> Looks like I am going to have to return the very inexpensive ("cheap") HDMI switch I had purchased; when I switch inputs, the lappy I am switching from *appears* *to* think there is no longer a monitor attached and switches to the internal display.
[19:28:29] <janrinok> how many computers do you actually need to work on at the same time?
[19:29:31] <Bytram> I received it, yes. Thank-you! Thing is, I have THREE lappys (each with their own refurb COA sticked)... I am assuming I cannot use the same product key on all 3 different lappys?
[19:29:58] <janrinok> no, probably not
[19:31:09] <Bytram> Well, once I get Huey ported over to one of the new lappys, I guess just two. But I also have a Blu-ray player hooked up to the TV,so that would make 3 inputs... but I *could* direct-connect he Blu-ray to the TV and run the lappys through a switch.
[19:31:20] <janrinok> but I would be surprised if cmn32480 or somebody couldn't provide you with a key if necessary. Companies have already upgraded to W10 and there must be a supply of now-used W7 keys
[19:32:23] <Bytram> IIRC, the orig lappy (huey) does not behave well when it perceives the TV has 'disappeared', but the Linux lappys... *seem* to handle it okay? Not certain about that, yet.
[19:32:53] <janrinok> how many HDMI connectors are there on the rear of your big screen?
[19:33:03] <Bytram> Hmm,, unless they retained use of that Product Key in order to upgrade from Win 7 to, say, Win 10
[19:33:27] <Bytram> 3 HDMI, one of which is ARC
[19:33:27] <Bytram> =g ARC audio
[19:33:28] <systemd> https://www.arcaudio.com - Arc Audio: Home
[19:33:34] <Bytram> lol
[19:33:36] <janrinok> maybe, but it can't hurt to ask via DM
[19:33:43] <Bytram> =g ARC audio return channel
[19:33:44] <systemd> https://www.cnet.com - What is Audio Return Channel (ARC)? - CNET
[19:33:53] <Bytram> tru dat.
[19:34:49] <Bytram> Was just about to step away and prepare something to eat (why do I wait until early PM for my breakfast?)
[19:34:56] <Bytram> yes, rhetorical question.
[19:34:59] <janrinok> please just clarify something. You had 2 computers connected to 2 HDMI on the rear of the screen, but when you changed the 'watched' screen the other computer dropped out - is that correct?
[19:36:45] <Bytram> huey (old lappy; E6400, win 7 pro) set up to use dual display (or just TV), when I switch away, thnks the external display has disappeared, and then shrinks everythng down to fit on the intrnal display, and never notices when the TV is "available" again.
[19:37:09] <Bytram> IIRC, that is
[19:37:35] <janrinok> so you are switching on the screen controls?
[19:38:44] <Bytram> I am starting to get the idea to run Win 7 in a VM on linux on one of the new lappys... and send the whole display (using X Window) to, say, an RPi which would be the one connection to the TV. Other lappys, could also send their dispay to the RPi
[19:39:30] <Bytram> IIUC, the new RPi 4 can handle up to 2x 3840x2160 60p displays
[19:39:42] <janrinok> I'm not sure how to do that (yet) but it sounds entirely possible
[19:40:27] <Bytram> Back some 15-20 years ago, I used to do that all the time sending output from Sun servers to a local Linux PC.
[19:40:56] <Bytram> somethng about setting up the "display" variable
[19:41:09] <janrinok> that is 2 HDMI outputs, you would have to stream the video in via a network and I'm not sure how we would switch that yet
[19:41:41] <janrinok> I'm sure it can be done but I've never tried to do it
[19:41:47] <Bytram> yes, it would require my getting networking to work between all the systems.
[19:41:51] <Bytram> k
[19:42:13] <janrinok> networking is easy - but go grab some b'fast/lunch. I've got to go in 15 mins anyway
[19:44:47] <Bytram> Ahh, np. Enjoy the rest of the day and thanks for being a sounding board for me to bounce my ideas off of!
[19:44:47] <Bytram> afk; biab
[19:45:05] <janrinok> cu tomorrow
[19:53:54] <janrinok> what is the rough cost of the KVMs that you have been looking at?
[19:57:16] <janrinok> because the ones that I keep finding when I search are more expensive than buying a second screen. I have 2 screens side-by-side, with desktops using separate keyboards and mice. But your use case is different from mine.
[19:58:40] <janrinok> I'll admit that I not running 4k screens though, just 1920x1080.
[20:43:13] <cmn32480> heathen
[21:55:15] <Bytram> janrinok: on he order of $100 for a switch. The main thrust of this whole effort which started way-back-when was that I wanted a *big* screen; bought a UHD 3840x2560 TV to use as a monitor... and I want to actually *use* it. =)
[21:55:21] <Bytram> s/he/the/
[21:55:23] <exec> <Bytram> janrinok: on the order of $100 for a switch. The main thrust of this whole effort which started way-back-when was that I wanted a *big* screen; bought a UHD 3840x2560 TV to use as a monitor... and I want to actually *use* it. =)
[21:55:40] <Bytram> out for a while; back in a few hours, I hope.
[21:55:43] <Bytram> afk