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[23:11:37] <Bytram> Does not look like this worked out so well, at least not yet. Got a 4-way HDMI switch. Plug each lappy into an input port, plug output into TV. Switching from, say, input #1 to, say input #2... and #1 seems to think it lost an external display
[22:52:29] * Bytram_dewey just got back home -- that sure took longer than I expected!
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[16:52:57] <Bytram_dewey> thanks so much everybody!
[16:52:49] <Bytram_dewey> GTG!
[16:52:41] <Bytram_dewey> I'll check every 15 minutes or so for D/L suggestions.
[16:52:23] <Bytram_dewey> Am heading out the door; will monitor #qa channel's log for any D/L suggestions. Unfortunately, this place with the free WiFi... I can go on the web okay, but then I cannot so chat here. :/
[16:51:19] <cmn32480> Roger that
[16:50:55] <Bytram_dewey> cmn32480: Very much appreciate he offer, but at this moment it does not seem to be immediately necessary. Now, should I run into driver problems, then that would be handy!
[16:15:48] <cmn32480> I cna give you an original ISO if that helps.
[15:57:27] <Bytram_dewey> afk
[15:57:22] <Bytram_dewey> Will need a direct URL that I can enter into my Cell phone brower (Chrome) and then tell it to download.
[15:56:33] <Bytram_dewey> If you can thnk of anything else I should D/L,pls let me know as I wil lhave access to Wi-Fi for about an hour =)
[15:54:58] <Bytram_dewey> Befoe I actually start the process, I will check back here in case there are any further suggestions / cautions!
[15:53:52] <Bytram_dewey> Obliged. So nothing will be happening until at least 3 hours from now, prolly closer to 4 hours. Will see you then!
[15:53:13] <janrinok> good to hear
[15:53:02] * Bytram_dewey has too much experience with accidentally writing to the wrong disk -- is darn near paranoid about making a mistake!
[15:52:52] <janrinok> I'll be monitoring this chan - laters
[15:52:31] <Bytram_dewey> .
[15:52:24] <Bytram_dewey> Looks like I am running out of time at this point. I have a plan (THANK YOU!) and would prefer to not interrupt the processing. And, yes copious notes. Aslo, I stil have Dewey (this Lappy) that I can nuse to go online and seek answers to any questions that might arise along the way!
[15:52:07] <janrinok> put it well out of arms reach so that you don't pick it up by mistake
[15:50:15] * Bytram_dewey picked p a fresh pack of "sticky notes" expressly for this purpose!
[15:50:10] <janrinok> I'd hate you to get them mixed up and overwrite the wrong one!
[15:49:49] <Bytram_dewey> ;)
[15:49:47] <Bytram_dewey> gnawed gnawed!
[15:49:31] <janrinok> yes - just make sure that you protect the good win 7 ssd somewhere safe
[15:48:44] <Bytram_dewey> Louie is already powered down. Pull power cord and battery. yank installed SSD. Insert new SSD (taken from Louie -- after pulling L's power cord and battery). Insert SSD into hewey. Insert DVD into drive. reboot Huey. Install Win 7 to Huey's SSD. Does that sound correct?
[15:46:56] <Bytram_dewey> just replanning things im my mind
[15:46:44] <Bytram_dewey> nod ndo
[15:46:40] <janrinok> work with what we know will work
[15:46:34] <Bytram_dewey> hold on
[15:46:24] <Bytram_dewey> Oh... hrrm. oh yeah.
[15:46:03] <janrinok> the only system we have proven that can read the DVD is huey!
[15:45:26] <janrinok> so that is the one that you should install W7 onto your 'clone' SSD
[15:45:25] <Bytram_dewey> yep, now I remember... louie is where I wil lneed to try an dinstall Windows from the DVD
[15:45:00] <Bytram_dewey> Hewey. Orig PC with the (still-working) Win 7 installon SSD
[15:44:34] <janrinok> what computer did we just test the DVD on?
[15:44:12] <Bytram_dewey> =)
[15:44:07] <Bytram_dewey> look at my nick
[15:43:57] <Bytram_dewey> Can you thnk of an Ubuntu cmd I can issue to find out where I am booted up from, just to confirm?
[15:43:54] * janrinok wonders why he gave them names and then refers to 'this' lappy - clear as mud to the rest of us....
[15:43:10] <Bytram_dewey> oh, wait... maybe *this* lappy is the one with the bootable SSD? yeah, it is.
[15:42:43] <janrinok> muchos grassy arse
[15:42:07] <cmn32480> certainly.
[15:41:58] <janrinok> Toi!
[15:41:53] <Bytram_dewey> ;)
[15:41:51] <Bytram_dewey> Moi?
[15:41:42] <janrinok> np - there is no rush and it is probably best to take things slowly so that you can make copious notes
[15:41:11] <Bytram_dewey> errands--
[15:41:09] <Bytram_dewey> FYI I wil lbe needing to step away from this in about 15 minute or so. Then will be out for about 3 hours or so.
[15:40:07] * Bytram_dewey tries to take a look
[15:40:03] <janrinok> cmn32480, can you hang fire on registering the 6410 until we know that we have a working combination?
[15:39:52] * Bytram_dewey tries to remember exactly where each SSD is... Huey has th e orig Win 7 SSD. Louie has the bootable Ubuntu install, so tha t means the SSD in Dewey (here) should be the oone to write to?
[15:39:28] <janrinok> ok, well other than cheering from the sidelines, there is not a lot I can do to help.
[15:38:26] <Bytram_dewey> Sounds like an excellent plan! I *like* it.
[15:37:19] <Bytram_dewey> reading
[15:37:16] <Bytram_dewey> so sorry it took longer than I thought.
[15:32:19] * cmn32480 can barely read
[15:32:15] <cmn32480> nope
[15:31:32] <janrinok> Questions / views / laughter?
[15:30:19] <janrinok> Finis
[15:29:54] <janrinok> Once we have the new lappy/W7 combination settings sorted out we remove the SSD and reclone it from the original W7 SSD
[15:23:25] <janrinok> brb nurse
[15:22:45] <janrinok> Play with settings on the new lappy/W7 combinations until we get it to play ball!
[15:22:18] <janrinok> install the new W7 SSD in one of your other lappies. It probably won't boot but we KNOW that it SHOULD, because we have proven it on huey.
[15:21:21] <janrinok> when the installation is complete, make sure that huey can boot successfully from the SSD, and then remove it
[15:20:38] <janrinok> Boot up from your now proven W7 DVD and install windows onto the 'clone' SSD. that will 1. provide you with another win SSD although not a copy of the existing SSD, and 2. show you exactly what you have on your DVD.
[15:19:22] <cmn32480> At this point, I'm using the same OEM key that is on either the 6400 or the 6410 to register the software
[15:19:17] <janrinok> I suggest that we put the 'clone' SSD into huey but treat it as an empty SSD.
[15:18:46] <janrinok> You will eventually want to rewrite your clone SSD so for the time being it is usable for testing purposes.
[15:18:29] <Bytram_dewey> afk
[15:18:25] <Bytram_dewey> when yo are done, type "Finis" or somesuch
[15:18:06] <Bytram_dewey> I fully understand. I need to take care of something quickly... back in abut 5 minutes
[15:17:26] <janrinok> ok, let me got through a plan and see if you agree - it will cover several lines so don't jump in with questions too soon , OK
[15:17:25] <Bytram_dewey> And remembers to eject the DVD!
[15:17:00] * Bytram_dewey presses power switch
[15:16:46] <Bytram_dewey> done
[15:16:02] * Bytram_dewey decides he just better take a pic, no idea why, but call it spidey sense. brbr
[15:15:50] <janrinok> or shut it down again...
[15:15:37] <janrinok> right - take it out before we break something
[15:15:25] <Bytram_dewey> yes
[15:15:22] <Bytram_dewey> And now it is presenting a window to "Install WIndows"
[15:15:16] <janrinok> so you are happy that you have got a good disk?
[15:14:56] <janrinok> I have a plan, but let us wait and see if finishes booting
[15:14:53] <Bytram_dewey> desktop!
[15:14:47] <Bytram_dewey> blamk
[15:14:43] <Bytram_dewey> logo
[15:14:41] <Bytram_dewey> dots
[15:14:39] <Bytram_dewey> Starting WIndows
[15:14:36] <Bytram_dewey> Hmm, is it *strictly* install media, or can I not run WIndows from thehr
[15:14:03] <Bytram_dewey> AHa, now I remember the text "Starting Windows" and THEN would come the swirling dots expanding to the windows logo which would then 'pulse' for a bit
[15:13:57] <janrinok> well if it can't find a SSD to install to it will probably throw a fit anyway
[15:13:24] <janrinok> ah, ok..
[15:12:56] <Bytram_dewey> Can't yet tell. Remember I would gt to the Windows bootup splash screen with the words "MS Windows" or whatever, see 4 colored dots swirl around and become the windows logo, and after about 20 seconds would halt and restart the PC
[15:11:23] <Bytram_dewey> (slowly... is now about 1/3 done)
[15:11:20] <janrinok> so your disk is good - it IS a configuration problem on the other computers
[15:10:54] <Bytram_dewey> "Windows is loading files..."
[15:10:17] <Bytram_dewey> The actual message was: "Press any key to boot from CD or DVD."
[15:08:36] <Bytram_dewey> down again
[15:08:30] <janrinok> you typed a word a few lines back that I don't think you meant to - or I misunderstood what it was intended to mean
[15:07:51] <Bytram_dewey> anothwer try at hibernatpm
[15:07:41] <Bytram_dewey> what?
[15:07:35] <Bytram_dewey> and it fially came back to the desktop
[15:07:29] <janrinok> er, I don't think you meant to type that
[15:07:07] <Bytram_dewey> soylent
[15:06:59] <janrinok> so around be go again - np, only 46 bloody minutes left on my download!
[15:06:10] <Bytram_dewey> Press any kkey to book from dvd or cd... and I did not do that in time as I was typing this in, so it went straight to my SSD
[15:05:25] <Bytram_dewey> Fngers: crossed
[15:05:09] <Bytram_dewey> power
[15:05:07] <Bytram_dewey> disk is in and drive door closed
[15:04:33] <Bytram_dewey> opened
[15:04:06] * Bytram_dewey seeks his precious bent paperclip
[15:04:03] <janrinok> always handy...
[15:03:53] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, and DVD drive is closed.
[15:03:43] <Bytram_dewey> Huey is powered off...
[15:03:35] <janrinok> can't fault your logic, although if you _did_ it would confirm that the settings are good or bad
[15:03:33] <Bytram_dewey> Grr! FF tosses up helpful messageas that get in the way.
[15:02:48] <Bytram_dewey> No. Just in caase booting up elsewhere gets it confused and writes garbage to my only known good Win system disk. Hence making the copy in the first place!
[15:02:33] <janrinok> ... or are you protecting it from any mishap?
[15:01:57] <janrinok> you get another {{{}}} from s!
[15:01:32] <janrinok> I can't remember - have we tried the original W7 SSD from huey in any other machine?
[15:01:21] <Bytram_dewey> 15sec to go
[15:01:14] <Bytram_dewey> umnless she is napping
[15:01:04] <Bytram_dewey> Oh yeah! Say hi for me!
[15:00:48] <Bytram_dewey> So, Hewey is quiescing for a bit, and then will hibernate and then power down.
[15:00:25] * janrinok spends the day here rather than in the office because it is next to S
[14:59:17] <janrinok> 3 here in my daily workplace/bedroom, 1 in S's room, and 4 in my 'office' downstairs
[14:58:58] <Bytram> Okay, here goes nothing.
[14:58:44] <Bytram> ::GUFFAWS::
[14:58:34] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:58:24] <janrinok> I have desktops - the only hibernating I do is when I crawl under my duvet
[14:58:03] <Bytram> Hibernaton (which I do *all* the time) writes sysem state to the SSD. Then when I boot from other media, it does... whatever. Pull the media, powerdown, powerup, and lappy comes back from hibernation =)
[14:57:15] <janrinok> as I say - I like ideas
[14:57:03] <Bytram> Oh, yeah. No problem at all.
[14:56:51] <janrinok> so can you hibernate and boot from another media? I don't know...
[14:56:30] <Bytram> whacha thnk?
[14:56:00] <janrinok> go with ideas - I like ideas
[14:55:55] <Bytram> HIbernate Hewey (orig PC) and try to boot the ISO DVD
[14:55:50] <janrinok> my download is estimating 1 hour'ish - when I get it I will burn to DVD and see if it boots in my computers
[14:55:37] <Bytram> so... here's an Idea...
[14:55:13] <Bytram> you was askin' while I was typin' =)
[14:55:02] <janrinok> so would I
[14:54:47] <Bytram> Given that I am getting the exact same MD5 and SHA-1 sums on my downloaded ISO as listed on the official MS Site: https://digitalrivermirror.com I am going to assume that my D/L *IS* valid.
[14:54:36] <janrinok> this could take a while. I take it your download matches the ISO hashes on that page?
[14:53:19] <janrinok> it is making me torrent rather than download!
[14:52:16] <Bytram> k
[14:52:11] <janrinok> and it doesn't download, will change broswers again!
[14:51:40] <Bytram> huh... /me did not see that.
[14:51:23] <janrinok> they want to change languages - I don't! - and they want to try to get us to purchase other crap at the same time
[14:50:51] <Bytram> Orly? o_O
[14:50:35] <janrinok> found it - downloading now. MS is not always friendly to sites outside the US
[14:50:27] <Bytram> Here is the file name after he D/L: en_windows_7_professional_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_676939.iso
[14:49:55] <Bytram> coming
[14:49:50] <Bytram> and hten it asked me what to do with it.
[14:49:44] <Bytram> (3) Had to wait for a countdown timer to complete (about 3-5) seconds
[14:49:33] <janrinok> I just want to make sure that we download identical editions
[14:49:12] <janrinok> I've found another way to that site - what is the last number of the DVD that you actually downloaded?
[14:49:09] <Bytram> (2) On FF on Dewey,, I have relatively minimal blocking
[14:48:48] <Bytram> (1) I needed to accept their cookie
[14:47:34] <Bytram> just a bit
[14:47:04] <janrinok> no, I get redirected to an Office 365 offer, on both browsers
[14:46:02] <Bytram> lemme try again
[14:45:56] <Bytram> yeah...
[14:45:43] <janrinok> but I am using PM
[14:45:37] <janrinok> It doesn't do that for me.....
[14:45:14] <Bytram> What are you waiting for? I clicked on the link and FF immediately asked me what I wanted to do with it.
[14:44:30] <janrinok> I suspect that it isn't going to download for me from that site - haven't a clue why not, but I'll wait a little longer for my email
[14:42:44] * Bytram goes to check his emails
[14:42:24] <Bytram> But, then again, the past few days I've been as tarp as a shack!
[14:42:10] <janrinok> what professional email address did you use yesterday?
[14:41:56] <Bytram> okay... (I don't recall giving them my email addy)
[14:41:47] <janrinok> SN email is not the quickest around...
[14:41:11] <janrinok> I'm waiting for my email from that site to confirm my download....
[14:40:28] <Bytram> My SHA1: 0bcfc54019ea175b1ee51f6d2b207a3d14dd2b58
[14:40:13] <Bytram> My MD5: ed15956fe33c13642a6d2cb2c7aa9749
[14:39:57] <janrinok> OK, I am downloading from that site and will see if it boots on any of my computers....
[14:39:31] * Bytram goes to double-check with SHA1 hash
[14:39:06] <Bytram> That domain was where MS previously hosted their ISOs
[14:39:06] <janrinok> if it boots with either setting, then try the W7 media with each, if it makes no difference then we can ignore that setting, at least temporarily.
[14:38:44] <Bytram> https://digitalrivermirror.com
[14:38:43] <Bytram> I just did a search on a md5sum (yeah, I know) and searched on that. Found this webpage:
[14:37:57] <janrinok> so I would suggest changing the settings from BIOS to UEFI or whatever is the opposite of what you have now, and trying Ubuntu again
[14:37:54] <Bytram> ho ho ho!
[14:36:54] <Bytram> NP!!!
[14:36:45] <janrinok> ah, the page had scrolled more than I noticed
[14:36:23] <Bytram> Yes, I just told you Ubuntu on al 3 media
[14:36:02] <janrinok> however, can you boot anything at all on the computer that you want to use for W7
[14:35:57] <Bytram> If nothing else, once you have a hash, a search on that might well reveal a different site I could D/L from. =)
[14:35:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:35:01] <janrinok> I have no further use for it.
[14:34:44] <janrinok> It was mine and I have used it several times on different machines. But it has not been used for 3 years or more
[14:34:10] <janrinok> certified for Refubished Computers and I passed the key and COA this am
[14:33:52] <Bytram> \Yay!
[14:33:48] <janrinok> yes
[14:33:41] <Bytram> is it (1) en (ENglish) (2) Windows 7 (3) Professional (4) x64 ???
[14:33:34] <janrinok> I DO have a dvd and a known correct key. I could transfer that to you and you know that should work. But I feel that it is going to be simpler than that (now it is my optimism)
[14:32:55] <Bytram> okay...
[14:32:35] <janrinok> I will have to create an iso from my DVD and then hash it and there is no guarantee that it will match any of the hashes that your currently have.
[14:32:13] <Bytram> yes, yes, and yes. Ubuntu, on DVD, on SSD, and on thumbdrive
[14:31:49] <janrinok> I love your optimism
[14:31:32] <janrinok> so, lets step back a moment. Does the lappy that you want to use for W7 boot with anything? Ubuntu, thumbdrive, ssd...?
[14:31:12] <Bytram_dewey> es, but there are lots of ways thy could fail... but if they *match* I am golden.
[14:30:09] <janrinok> I'm not saying it is not a good link, merely that checking hashes if we don't know that both sources are identical will not help. If one file has a different date in that edition then the hash will fail won't it?
[14:29:09] <exec> <Bytram> the last link I posted. I copied that here from Dewey's FF downloads history
[14:29:07] <Bytram> s/hear/here/
[14:28:54] <Bytram> the last link I posted. I copied that hear from Dewey's FF downloads history
[14:28:08] <Bytram> I am tempted to try booting the ISO on my orig lappy (Hewey) but I am not absolutely certain that it is an exact duplicate of what MS provides... small chance it could have a virus or something in it.
[14:27:50] <janrinok> which of those download links did you use because Ultimate is Pro plus something if I remember correctly - so you will never get a hash that matches a 'normal' Pro version
[14:26:37] <Bytram> k
[14:26:22] <janrinok> so I would check and check again the BIOS settings on the machine that you want to use the win SSD on, and even try making some selections that are not what you want/expect e.g. try booting with UEFI and without in case we are simply making an incorrect assumption
[14:26:18] <Bytram> Did you see where I corrected which URL I downloaded from? I just retired it and it worked for me: https://answers.microsoft.com
[14:24:33] <Bytram> That is my *guess*, too... but I would feel more comfortable if I knew I had a valid ISO
[14:23:29] <janrinok> so the dvd and the ssd both exhibit the same error on boot up - ergo, my guess is it is not the media but the configuration that is wrong
[14:22:23] <Bytram_dewey> k
[14:22:19] <janrinok> np - lets look at one problem at a time.
[14:22:10] <Bytram_dewey> Choo!
[14:22:03] <janrinok> ah!
[14:21:59] <Bytram_dewey> Not yet.
[14:21:44] <janrinok> have you switched to MATE yet?
[14:21:38] <Bytram_dewey> Maybe have to access it from the page that link is from (Sets cookies or something?)
[14:21:27] <janrinok> Ubuntu doesn't - the particular desktop that you are using does...
[14:20:46] <janrinok> in fact, that is not url - Not Found
[14:20:37] <Bytram_dewey> I have no idea why copy/paste on Ubuntu omits CRs
[14:20:26] <janrinok> that is not the url that we looked at yesterday before you went off to download.
[14:19:46] <Bytram_dewey> martyb@E6410-001:~/Downloads$ file en_windows_7_professional_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_676939.iso en_windows_7_professional_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_676939.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'GSP1RMCPRXFRER_EN_DVD' (bootable) martyb@E6410-001:~/Downloads$
[14:19:40] <Bytram_dewey> Here ya go:
[14:18:31] <Bytram> Yep... brb
[14:18:11] <janrinok> One of the uses says that it is NOT an iso but a rar file.... But as you have a copy in your hand you should be able to confirm or disprove that statement
[14:18:11] <Bytram_dewey> from FF list of downloads: https://ia801001.us.archive.org
[14:17:07] <janrinok> well, having read the splurge on that second link I would have reservations about the software. If you read it closely, it has several spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. It might not be as reputable as you first imagine.
[14:16:57] <Bytram_dewey> just found that link on Dewey.
[14:16:22] <Bytram_dewey> https://answers.microsoft.com
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[14:14:47] <Bytram> hrrm, can't find it on Huey...
[14:12:45] <Bytram> specifically:
[14:12:41] <Bytram> Since MS no longer offers their own ISO D/L service (at least as far as I can tell), I had to D/L from elsewhere" https://onesoftwares.net
[14:11:10] <Bytram> Or, I still have some BIOS setting I need to change.
[14:10:53] <Bytram> I may have a 'bad' iso (need a checksum from a known-good ISO) I can compare against.
[14:10:13] <Bytram> SO,
[14:10:10] <Bytram> I burned the Win ISO I downloaded to a DVD, but when I tried to boot it on Louie, it appeared to behave exactly the same as my cloned win SSD
[14:08:59] <Bytram> Recap...
[14:08:52] <Bytram> janrinok: Hi!
[13:50:57] <janrinok> OK, I've just woken up - having originally been up since 0500 ish local time. What is the plan?
[13:40:00] <Bytram> As for the keys being "Dell ISO compatible" or "MS ISO compatible"... I have no idea. I guess my next step is to figure out how to go from the "Refurb Key" I have to an actual Product Key i can use for an install.
[13:33:24] <Bytram> cmn32480: Just sent you a txt with pics of these from Louie: (1) Microsoft Certificate of Authenticity -- Refurb (2) Service Tag (I think it was the *original* one for the E6410 (3) Original Microsoft Certificate of Authenticity
[13:23:08] <Bytram> cmn32480: Awesome! hold on
[13:18:34] <cmn32480> bytram - I have original physical disks. If the units have RFB keys, I don't know if they are Dell ISO compatible or if the are MS ISO compatible.
[13:02:32] <Bytram> (I think!)
[13:02:04] <Bytram> Downloaded from: https://windowsiso.net
[12:54:28] <Bytram> I was hashing the .iso file: en_windows_7_professional_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_676939.iso
[12:34:55] <janrinok> going for my siesta - back on in an hour or so...
[12:33:22] <janrinok> are you hashing the iso, or the files on the disk, or a disk clone - they will all have different hashes
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[11:47:22] <chromas> or maybe not. Not sure what the FRE stands for
[11:46:59] <chromas> Ooh. This ISO link I found on a totally legit site actually points to a hidden download on MS' site. Neat. But it's French
[11:27:34] <chromas> Be sure to try booting your shiny new DVD in one of the other boxes
[11:27:19] <chromas> You're welcome. Hopefully he and janrinok can get you going when they get back
[11:26:29] <Bytram> Thanks for the help!
[11:26:20] <Bytram> and with that, I needed to wind things down and try to get some shuteye.
[11:25:48] <Bytram> I put out a request to cmn32480 to get a SHA256SUM off his Win 7 images; maybe he will have better luck.
[11:25:00] <Bytram> k
[11:24:58] <Bytram> I must admit, as frustrating as this has been, I sure have been learning a lot along the way! Thanks for the help!
[11:24:28] <chromas> I don't seem to have a 7 key
[11:24:11] <chromas> Mine's most likely got some less-than-legit mods though
[11:23:54] <Bytram> k
[11:23:49] <chromas> Mine too. hm
[11:23:38] <Bytram> my ISO is supposed to be SP1
[11:23:20] <Bytram> k
[11:23:12] <Bytram> can you D/L a win 7 Pro x64 image from the official Microsoft site and get a sum of that?
[11:22:56] <chromas> One's got a builtin service pack and the other has a loader or something
[11:22:27] <chromas> da022e589dd1c091b2c4a3b14de6ab1110de239684ce76eb74edfb38e22037e6
[11:22:27] <chromas> and
[11:22:27] <chromas> 36f4fa2416d0982697ab106e3a72d2e120dbcdb6cc54fd3906d06120d0653808
[11:22:27] <chromas> I've got
[11:22:24] <Bytram> ahh. Hrm... okay.
[11:22:06] <chromas> I checked. No match
[11:21:24] <Bytram> pls do check SHA256SUMs for me?
[11:20:56] <Bytram> Okay, I am on the East Coast, woke up at 0330 to answer "nature's call" and have been up since then working on this. Think I'm gonna step back, try and go back to sleep, and mull things over for a while.
[11:19:47] <chromas> We need a page on the wiki so we can all track which things you've tried :)
[11:19:09] <Bytram> yes, I have too.
[11:19:05] <Bytram> yes, I have to.
[11:18:35] <chromas> It's dumb, but I've had that fix options before when they're not quite as set as the interface things they are
[11:18:26] * exec points at Bytram
[11:18:25] <Bytram> ~blame
[11:18:21] <Bytram> If it were simple, I wouldn't need you guys!
[11:18:17] <chromas> What if you toggle, save, then toggle and save?
[11:17:58] <chromas> Dangit, why can't it be that simple?
[11:17:39] <Bytram> yes, E6410 *has* UEFI, but there is a choice in the BIOS: "Boot List option: (*) Legacy ( ) UEFI" and I have Legacy selected.
[11:15:25] <chromas> I only harp on that because EFI firmware most likely won't boot MBR disks without enabling the compatibility mode
[11:14:57] <chromas> From what I've found on the net, the E6400 has BIOS while the E6410 has EFI.
[11:14:01] <Bytram> Huey is a Dell Latitude E6400; the other ones are all Dell Latitude E6410s
[11:12:41] <Bytram> Dewey, Louie, (and yes there is another, intended for parts, Phooey) all have Intel i5 as above.
[11:11:46] <Bytram> Hewey is a Core 2 Duo
[11:11:43] <chromas> Yeah I've got a mismatch on both mine
[11:11:37] <chromas> And you're absolutely sure Louie's BIOS compatibility mode matches that of Hewy Dewie and the News?
[11:11:22] <Bytram> Here is the SHA256SUM from the ISO that I downloaded: 3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55
[11:10:56] <chromas> Maybe that's the problem :)
[11:07:35] <Bytram> Also, fwiw Louie is set up in the BIOS to run with 2 cores (and NO multi-threading).
[11:06:13] <Bytram> had it way back when, but not now in a working state
[11:05:28] <chromas> If you have virtualbox, you could try booting up your dvd in it
[11:05:17] <Bytram> for future reference and while I have it up on my screen, the BIOS on Louie reports it has: "Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 540 @ 2.53 GHz"
[11:04:18] <chromas> I've got a couple
[11:03:28] <chromas> I'll check it though
[11:03:25] <chromas> I do but I think it's not 'stock'
[11:02:47] <Bytram> btw, do YOU have a Win 7 Pro x64 install CD that you could do a md256sum of? I would like to verify my D/L was good.
[11:01:41] <Bytram> yep
[11:01:36] <Bytram> for all intents and purposes, no.
[11:01:32] <chromas> I guess if you did, you'd've probably used it to dd the SSDs
[11:00:50] <chromas> You don't happen to have a desktop sitting around do you?
[11:00:21] <Bytram> That was my very first attempt at trying to boot using the DVD
[10:59:22] <chromas> And it boots in Hewey or Louie?
[10:55:53] <Bytram> curiouser and curiouser!!!
[10:55:18] <Bytram> I just put the Win 7 Pro X64 DVD that I just burned into the DVD drive on Louie (Dell Latitude E6410 Intel i5 for those watching from home) and... I got what appears to be the exact same boot loop as I go with Win 7 Pro x64 copied from Hewey to an SSD!
[10:53:11] <Bytram> Here's the kicker!
[10:53:01] <Bytram> k
[10:52:53] <chromas> You need a tool to do it. Can't burn ISOs to DVD with dd
[10:52:22] <Bytram> Don't know why, but I could not get Ubuntu (on Dewey) to copy the ISO to the DVD. :P So, copied the ISO to a USB stick, brought the stick over to Huey (WIn 7 Pro x64 install), and burned the .ISO to a DVD there.
[10:50:26] <Bytram> Heh.
[10:26:15] <chromas> If you grab a tool called Rufus, you can make a bootable usb drive with your Windows ISO
[09:54:20] <Bytram> for some reason that escapes me, could not dd the iso to a dvd on dewey (Ubuntu). So, am copying it to a USB stick which I can then bring it over to Hewey (Win 7) and burn it to a DVD over there.
[09:08:47] <janrinok> .... oh, he might be awake but is seems that his phone isn't
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[09:08:12] <janrinok> why aren't you asleep?
[09:07:55] <Bytram> hi.
[09:04:58] <janrinok> that's Win 7 ....
[09:04:36] <janrinok> Done
[09:04:28] <janrinok> Bytram, I have a Windows & Professional x64 key. I'll PM it to you
[09:03:48] <Bytram_phone> ~tell cmn32480 what is the sha256sum of your ISO? Mine is: 3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55
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[07:13:22] <janrinok> I can look at the options on the DVD but I'm not installing it anywhere
[07:09:42] <chromas> Are you going to run your 7 to see what options he has?
[07:08:31] <janrinok> k - seems like a possibility then
[07:08:26] <chromas> I recall seeing an option in one of the several control panels, but I've never used it.
[07:07:47] <chromas> I'm not sure I've ever seen the automatic Windows Repair thing work, but it's easy enough to get a terminal window and run bootrec to fix up the bootloader and stuff
[07:07:33] <janrinok> and how easy is it to change the kbd layout. Is Window locked to the keyboard selected at installation or can it be subsequently changed or have multiple keyboards possible?
[07:06:37] <chromas> It should
[07:06:22] <janrinok> would it work to do a disk repair?
[07:04:50] <chromas> I think most all the versions have the same ISO. The only difference should be which extra toys are installed, according to the key you paste in.
[07:01:09] <janrinok> I could - presumably - upload my ISO to one of our staff servers and you could download it from there if you wish?
[06:59:36] <janrinok> I do not have a use for w7 anymore so it is just sitting here doing nothing. And the home edition might be enough to do a disk repair?
[06:58:26] <janrinok> thx for the update - it seems we take 2 steps forward and then 1 step back. There is not much help that I can provide but can you clarify something for me please. Why is the Pro version so important. I can give you a key for W7 home edition that is valid and paid for, hell, I can even post you the DVD if you feel that you need one for longterm backup