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[22:30:57] <Bytram> I must say, it does *feel* like I am getting close, but I could be mistaken.
[22:30:11] <Bytram> Am not yet having enough luck to get the cloned SSD to boot on new lappy, so the thought is that I should download a proper Win 7 Pro x64 ISO.
[22:28:46] <Bytram> cmn32480: Dell Latitude E6400 which I got with a WD Black 500 GB drive. Updated to a Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SSD. Used Samsung's program to do the transfer. I have since used dd on Linux to clone that to another Samsung EVO 860 1 TB SSD. I had picked up 3 x Dell Latitude E6410s for a song ($25 each- and each they came with refurbished PC Win 7 Pro license stickers!) and am trying to get one of the new lappys to boot from the cloned disk.
[22:07:36] <cmn32480> if you are looking for one for a Dell let me knwo and I will ISO it up and put it on oneDrive for you.
[22:07:13] <cmn32480> I will check back in a bit. ahve to head home.
[22:06:56] <cmn32480> what make/model is the lappy that you are trying to get the ISO for?
[22:06:38] <cmn32480> bytram
[20:23:53] <Bytram> If any of you have downloaded a WIn 7 Pro x64 iso, could you please confirm you get the same sha256 sum?
[20:22:43] <Bytram> Yep, looks legit from here
[20:16:11] <Bytram> clicky
[20:14:42] <MrPlow> https://answers.microsoft.com - "SHA256: 3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55. Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_x32."
[20:14:42] <Bytram_dewey> #g "3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55" -"Commercial OEM"
[20:14:37] <Bytram_dewey> Well , that one does look a lot more respectical
[20:14:10] <systemd> https://answers.microsoft.com - Where can I download Windows 7 ISO? I have a Product Key ...
[20:14:09] <Bytram_dewey> =g "3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55" -"Commercial OEM"
[20:13:34] <Bytram_dewey> yeah, that site sure looks on the up-and-up
[20:13:00] <systemd> http://dellwindowsreinstallationguide.com - Download Windows 7 SP1 Commercial OEM and Retail .iso ...
[20:12:59] <Bytram_dewey> =g "3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55":
[20:10:28] <exec> <Bytram_dewey> When I search on that, it looks like I have a valid ISO
[20:10:27] <Bytram_dewey> s/...$/ISO/
[20:10:13] <Bytram_dewey> When I search on that, it looks like I have a valid IOS
[20:09:44] <Bytram_dewey> Here is the sha256 hash of the iso I downloaded: 3dae1a531b90fa72e59b4a86b20216188d398c8c070da4a5c5a44fe08b1b6e55
[20:06:37] <Bytram_dewey> Don't know why it did not show up on a prior search, but am now doing a sha256sum on the iso
[20:05:06] <Bytram_dewey> or, heck, just get the hash and do a search for *that*
[20:04:51] <Bytram_dewey> I would llike to do some kind of a hash on the file and compare the hash of an ISO taken from ms...
[20:03:47] <Bytram_dewey> https://ia801001.us.archive.org
[20:03:46] <Bytram_dewey> Here is the URL I ultimately used for getting an iso:
[20:02:51] <chromas> Before you try reinstalling with it, you could use it to reinstall your bootloader and see if that helps.
[19:57:49] <Bytram_dewey> Error The product key you entered appears to be for software pre-installed by the device manufacturer. Please contact the device manufacturer for software recovery options.
[19:57:48] <Bytram_dewey> Here is the error message that I received from the Microsoft web site:
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[19:53:13] <Bytram> yes, it *is* dowloaded, but MS would not accept the product key I provided...
[19:52:39] <Bytram> janrinok: /me must have accidetally swiped the touch pad... put my progress notes in the wrong channel; (the one I just invited you to.)
[19:51:19] <Bytram> Ugh...
[18:19:32] <janrinok> bytram - did you download a w7 iso?
[18:16:07] <janrinok> OK, dinner eaten, kitchen tidied up, and a hour or two available to do as I wish!
[17:56:08] <cmn32480> even though their ISO's and kjeys are compatible with each other, their keys are not compatible with general MS ISO for win 7
[17:55:11] <cmn32480> Dell and HP had different ISOs than the rest of the world
[17:54:57] <cmn32480> who is the manufacturer for Huey?
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[17:09:35] <Bytram_phone> orig product key for huey did not work -- oem...
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[16:07:33] <Bytram> /quit
[16:01:50] <Bytram_dewey> ciao!
[16:01:46] * Bytram_dewey just reselected display layout; single display -- builit in
[16:01:07] <janrinok> laters
[16:00:38] <Bytram_dewey> THANKS again!
[16:00:32] <Bytram_dewey> really gtg clean up; biab
[16:00:13] <Bytram_dewey> yes, "Apply" does sound applicable at this point. =)
[15:59:45] <janrinok> no - apply
[15:59:42] <Bytram_dewey> good!
[15:59:40] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:59:36] * Bytram_dewey does not see "Start"
[15:59:27] <janrinok> yeah
[15:59:19] <Bytram_dewey> Click the "Apply" button at the top with the gears?
[15:59:07] <janrinok> 'start'
[15:58:49] <Bytram_dewey> hmm,, what *is* the next step with the Mate install?
[15:58:22] <janrinok> lol - just let me know what you decide!
[15:58:04] <Bytram_dewey> well, I am a firm believer that the longest distance between two points is a shortcut!
[15:57:36] <janrinok> yes, your call
[15:57:25] <Bytram_dewey> what, the mate install?
[15:57:04] <janrinok> lets leave it until later so that you can make notes and do this without being rushed
[15:56:59] <Bytram_dewey> =)
[15:56:46] <Bytram_dewey> You tell*me*
[15:56:38] * exec points at Bytram
[15:56:37] <Bytram_dewey> ~blame
[15:56:35] <Bytram_dewey> Moi?
[15:56:27] <janrinok> lol - live dangerously don't you?
[15:56:18] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:56:10] <Bytram_dewey> otoh, my battery is now half full, so I might be able to just take it with me, while still running and plug it in when I get there!
[15:56:03] <janrinok> doesn't matter it will only take seconds to get it back later
[15:55:37] <Bytram_dewey> Grr, and I do not seem to have a large enough swap partition so I can hibernate...
[15:55:13] <janrinok> OK, we can leave it for later - I assume that you will also want to download PaleMoon which is 70MB?
[15:54:38] <Bytram_dewey> I could handle it, size-wise, but it may take too much clock time for me to get out the door.
[15:54:12] <janrinok> if you would prefer - I can type out a whole series of stuff that you can then go away and install elsewhere
[15:53:57] <Bytram_dewey> 1 pkg listed, 1664 installed, 0 broken, 371 to install/upgrade, 0 to remove; 941 MB wil lbe used.
[15:53:19] <janrinok> oops - is that too large for you?
[15:53:16] <Bytram_dewey> ...
[15:53:05] <Bytram_dewey> I do not see the size of the d/l, but I do see "941 MB will be used"
[15:52:55] <janrinok> I'm working from memory at the moment
[15:52:45] <janrinok> I cannot do this bit because it is already installed...
[15:52:22] <janrinok> does it tell you the size of the download yet?
[15:52:08] <janrinok> 'Mark;'
[15:52:05] * Bytram_dewey clcks on the "mark" button
[15:51:55] <Bytram_dewey> "cancel" "mark"
[15:51:52] <janrinok> 'Yes'
[15:51:44] <Bytram_dewey> marked for install... now I see a new dialog box... Mark additinal required changes?
[15:51:44] <janrinok> click on whatever it asks you to click to start the installation - I cannot press it here because it is already installed!
[15:50:57] <janrinok> exactly - click on the box under the 'S' to the left of the package name and select install
[15:50:35] <Bytram_dewey> yes'
[15:50:31] <Bytram_dewey> found just one thing
[15:50:25] <janrinok> can you see a package with that exact name?
[15:50:19] * Bytram_dewey clicks "Search" buttomn'
[15:50:01] * Bytram_dewey drag-select, copy, p[aste
[15:49:41] <janrinok> type ubuntu-mate-desktop and start search
[15:49:20] <Bytram_dewey> clicked
[15:49:08] <janrinok> can you see the search button top rhs
[15:48:54] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:48:33] <janrinok> and expand it to full screen
[15:48:14] <janrinok> click past any info windows
[15:48:05] <janrinok> start it - it will want your password (it runs as Administrator because you are installing software)
[15:47:37] <janrinok> OK click the icon bottom left RHS and then search for synaptic
[15:47:11] <Bytram_dewey> let's do it now
[15:47:08] <Bytram_dewey> not too much
[15:46:58] <janrinok> but you probably want to do the downloads elsewhere? Or is 280MB not too much?
[15:46:35] <Bytram_dewey> ok!
[15:46:30] <janrinok> it didn't yet.
[15:46:16] <Bytram_dewey> Umm, I am still on default Ubuntu desktop... when did synaptic get started?
[15:46:12] <janrinok> later
[15:46:12] <janrinok> assuming it finds it - and it should - then there is a selection box next to the package name. If you click on that it will give you the option to install that package, and it will also install all the other necessary packages to support the desktop automatically. Accept them all and start the download. If it asks you any questions during the installation accept the defaults, we can sort out any personal preferences that you might have
[15:45:09] * Bytram_dewey just checked and so far, I've used 11.56 GB out of 15 GB this month AND that is combined usage from on the phone AND external... the 15 GB limit is on external use; is unlimited on phone.
[15:44:09] <Bytram_dewey> back for a moment...
[15:43:01] <janrinok> synaptic has a 'search' button upper RHS. type into that 'ubuntu-mate-desktop' and start the search.
[15:41:03] <janrinok> OK, we still have to download the desktop itself, which is about 280MB if I remember correctly. you might want to move the laptop to the other location for that.
[15:38:49] <Bytram_dewey> afk biab
[15:38:45] * Bytram_dewey did not want to "ping" you and interrupt your work with the nurse.
[15:38:14] <Bytram_dewey> JR: THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!
[15:37:55] <Bytram_dewey> I will check in here before I head out the door.
[15:37:25] <Bytram_dewey> and, with that... I need to get cleaned up and ready to head out the door (bringing Dewey for Downloads)
[15:36:33] <Bytram_dewey> okay, I am feeling *much* better about this! It's been a *long* time since I bought the TV/monitor and this is the first time I have ever seen it display 3840x2560 resolution from a computer!!!!!
[15:33:21] <Bytram_dewey> and... it's done
[15:33:11] <Bytram_dewey> chugging right along
[15:32:52] * Bytram_dewey types "y"
[15:32:38] <Bytram_dewey> PASTE_END
[15:32:34] <Bytram_dewey> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo apt install synaptic [sudo] password for martyb: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: docbook-xml libept1.5.0 libgtk2-perl libpango-perl librarian0 rarian-compat sgml-base sgml-data xml-core Suggested packages: docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl docbook-defguide libgtk2-perl-doc sgml-base-doc per
[15:32:32] <Bytram_dewey> PASTE_BEGIN
[15:32:09] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, and it does tell me ahead of time how mauch will be downloaded:
[15:30:52] <Bytram_dewey> wrong window, eh?
[15:30:39] <Bytram_dewey> sudo apt install synaptic
[15:30:23] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:30:22] <Bytram_dewey> Wait a minute... if I *do* find myself getting too close to my bandwidth cap, I can change my plan at any time to unlimited, albeit at a lower bandwidth. =)
[15:29:58] <janrinok> nurse is here - synaptic is small
[15:28:51] <Bytram_dewey> or is that something that looks around as it installed, and downloads different things, accordinly?
[15:28:04] <Bytram_dewey> How do I find out its size, ahead of time?
[15:27:16] <janrinok> sudo apt install synaptic
[15:27:04] <Bytram_dewey> sudo apt get mate something something?
[15:27:01] <janrinok> lets do this the easy way.
[15:26:36] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:26:17] <janrinok> right - we are going to have to install a decent desktop - this one is missing some important features. I suggest MATE - because then we will have the same and I know how it works - but you can choose what you like
[15:25:59] <Bytram_dewey> When I had "Join Displays" selected, then it showed me two monitors to choose from and select how I wanted them laid out
[15:25:05] <Bytram_dewey> Because I have selected "Single Display"... it shows no monitor layout/selection/identification xchoise
[15:25:02] <janrinok> ... because it should if you have more than 1 display connected
[15:23:46] <janrinok> in the main part of that display, mine shows the identity of my single display. Does yours show a second display too?
[15:23:19] <Bytram_dewey> but I may have missed somrthing else, keep going
[15:23:01] <Bytram_dewey> yes, found it, clicked on it, and it brought me to the same screen that I had been working from.
[15:22:33] <janrinok> the top entry on my screen show Screen Display - do you get that?
[15:21:47] <Bytram_dewey> k
[15:21:44] <janrinok> type the word 'display' in that search bar
[15:21:30] <Bytram_dewey> yes.
[15:21:11] <janrinok> when you get to the display of all the programs is there a search bar at the top?
[15:20:43] <Bytram_dewey> yes
[15:20:37] <Bytram_dewey> Strange! I clicked the grid, see selection of programs I can click-to-run... scroll up and down, then press escape; screen repaints at 3840x2560... and stays that way until I select one of the currently-running programs whereupon it drops back to 1920x1280
[15:19:44] <janrinok> OK, are you still using the default desktop from Ubuntu which is plum/purple colour showing a line diagram of a animal's head
[15:18:29] <Bytram_dewey> for just a mooment, I saw high res! blink in and ou,.
[15:18:21] <janrinok> you have your big screen, and the laptop display
[15:18:15] <Bytram_dewey> hld on
[15:18:14] <Bytram_dewey> yes, it is....
[15:18:02] <janrinok> I thought that you had 2 displays and you wanted to use just one of them. Is that not correct?
[15:17:20] <Bytram_dewey> TCL external, single display at 3840x2560.
[15:16:58] <janrinok> what do you want to see?
[15:16:43] <janrinok> it then shows you a load of possible programs with a search bar at the top
[15:16:36] <Bytram_dewey> And... atm the built-in LCD is blank and the only display is on the monitor
[15:16:17] <janrinok> on the laptop, press the multibox icon at the bottom of the LHS
[15:16:05] <Bytram_dewey> I'm typing this from dewey - Ubuntu 18.04.4
[15:15:37] <Bytram_dewey> Wait, what do you mean "On the computer?"
[15:15:11] <Bytram_dewey> just this one.
[15:14:54] <janrinok> on the computer - not the display!
[15:14:40] <Bytram_dewey> Setup --> Displays --> "Single Display", "External monitor (TCL 36")
[15:14:10] <janrinok> How many screens does it say that you have
[15:13:56] <janrinok> did you then select 'screen display'?
[15:13:39] <janrinok> did you search for 'display'
[15:13:28] <janrinok> no, I think that we are talking at cross purposes
[15:13:10] <Bytram_dewey> :(
[15:13:07] <Bytram_dewey> Max resolution is still: 1920x1280 (just Full HD)
[15:12:04] <janrinok> yep, that'd be the one
[15:11:47] * exec points at Bytram
[15:11:46] <Bytram_dewey> ~blame
[15:11:42] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, you mean the "Single Display" choice right at the top that I completely overlooked?
[15:11:12] <janrinok> I've got a separate screen for each computer - so I cannot see what yours will say
[15:11:03] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, and so far as I can tell, to go from viewing one lappy to the other I have to go to "Home" on the TV, and then select an input. :/
[15:10:36] <janrinok> how many options does it give you for displays?
[15:10:27] <janrinok> click on the icon bottom left, search for 'display'
[15:09:43] <janrinok> done - just looking now
[15:09:34] <Bytram_dewey> nod nod
[15:09:24] <Bytram_dewey> Built-in 1280x800; external: 1920x1080.
[15:08:53] <janrinok> yes, I'll have to switch to your desktop so that I can find out how. It is different in each desktop
[15:08:15] <janrinok> you are getting that, you should be getting additional space on the second display. Try moving the mouse of the edges
[15:08:10] <Bytram_dewey> Hmmm, can I deselect the built-in LCD?
[15:07:41] <Bytram_dewey> On of the main reasons for all this was to be able to use all of the 3840x2560 reolution that UHD has on offer.
[15:07:28] <janrinok> yes, you have to select one as the primary display and you can either position the other on the perimeter of the first or simply deselect it from being used
[15:06:26] <Bytram_dewey> For some reason Ubuntu insists on using both the built-in display *and* the external monitor.
[15:05:44] <Bytram_dewey> That worked, but...
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[14:59:39] <janrinok> lol - the hardware is ganging up to thwart you!
[14:58:33] * Bytram went to boot up Dewey... started and almost immediately powered down -- battery was empty. Plugged in AC adapter and we're up!
[14:56:14] <Bytram> Corrections: TV has *3* HDMI ports. Huey *is* on "HDMI 1"; my blu ray player is on "HDMI 2", and now Dewey is connected to "HDMI 3" -- which is actually labeled as "ARC" (Audio Return Channel).
[14:50:55] <janrinok> stereo!
[14:50:24] <Bytram> It's the udder one.
[14:50:02] <janrinok> UHD - is that a type of milk...?
[14:49:58] <Bytram> huey (Win 7 orig) is currently on port 1; am going to connect dewey to port 2
[14:49:05] <Bytram> So, I have a UHD TV that I am using as a monitor... which has 4 HDMI inputs.
[14:48:36] <janrinok> success?
[14:48:11] <janrinok> even three
[14:48:04] <Bytram> You too?
[14:47:39] <janrinok> ... but I've had that feeling before
[14:47:30] <janrinok> deja vu
[14:47:19] <janrinok> front
[14:45:53] <Bytram> back
[14:35:18] <janrinok> k
[14:35:13] <Bytram> biab 5-10 minutes
[14:33:57] <Bytram> Yes, I am actually quite skilled at that! =)
[14:33:37] <Bytram> of course, *that* phone's resolution and image-stabilization were so-so. For future ref as a note-to-self: IMG_20150723_105945_901.jpg
[14:31:57] <janrinok> put them somewhere safe - so safe even you couldn't find them...
[14:31:45] <Bytram> Oh, I go nowhere without my phone!
[14:31:35] <janrinok> lol
[14:31:28] <Bytram> btw I *just* now found my copious records of the time when I originally ran sysrescuecd
[14:31:21] <janrinok> even so....
[14:30:42] <Bytram> is not a library (or coffee shop)... just a place I know where I can use their wifi
[14:28:10] <janrinok> you could always take your phone as well, but I would be very surprised if a library was concerned about you using a lappy in this day and age
[14:26:57] * Bytram looks around for his laptop bag...
[14:26:38] <Bytram> I could... not really a place where people would bring in laptops, but I doubt I would get any flack about it, now that you mention it.
[14:25:36] <Bytram> No, there was a problem with the initial setup of Huey, so I needed a new product code... given its importance, I was *certain* I had a record of it somewhere... just needed to track it down... and I just found it!
[14:15:56] <janrinok> bytram ping ^^
[14:15:19] <janrinok> or you could take your Ubuntu lappy and download straight onto that rather than use your phone.
[14:13:39] <janrinok> isn't it on the bottom of your lappies?
[14:00:18] <Bytram> am going someplace where I can have free wifi. Expect I can D/L to my phone. Am now trying to track down my Product Key which is required in order to perform a download. I stumbled upon it a few days ago, but does not readily come to mind atm
[13:56:46] <janrinok> ....if you still have the data available for this month on your contract!
[13:56:19] <janrinok> a MS download might not be the professional version - but it will allow you to fix the boot problem!
[13:54:58] <janrinok> I recognised the names but they are not commonly known on this side of the pond any more. Donald Duck is rarely seen nowadays
[13:54:56] * Bytram has found this web site: https://www.microsoft.com
[13:53:26] <Bytram> Much appreciated!
[13:52:54] <Bytram> Btw, I made the (possibly inaccurate) assumption that you were familiar with: https://en.wikipedia.org so that naming my lappies after these (from left to right) might help with visualizing what I am doing *and* for telling me what needs doing
[13:52:00] <janrinok> just adding to the queues
[13:51:38] <janrinok> more coffee .... or tea!
[13:50:23] <Bytram> janrinok: Tx! Still just waking up...
[13:44:13] <janrinok> Bytram, standing by to stand by....
[13:20:54] <Bytram> ATM, I am catching up with e-mails and the like which had built up over the past 3 days
[13:19:55] <Bytram> chromas: Not yet, barring any surprises, I should be able to do a download in a few hours... do you know of a URL I can download from? Win 7 Pro x64 SP1
[07:18:29] <janrinok> The networking should be simple to set up.
[07:12:19] <janrinok> Bytram we can install PaleMoon today so that you can use what you (and I) can use what we know
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[02:09:39] <chromas> did you get ahold of a Windows ISO?
[01:59:34] <Bytram_huey> :/
[01:59:30] <Bytram_huey> No joy in getting cloned win SSD to boot in Louie
[01:29:00] <Bytram_huey> Yay! I got my original Windows lappy to boot again! Only changes in BIOS was to change the boot order and (2) [] Enable Intel Virtualization Technology got turned on (so I turned it back off)
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