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[02:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, try dosbox or wine if you're lazy
[02:13:00] <Bytram> I have found that it is much easier to merge separate things together than it is to separate things once they've been merged.
[02:13:44] <chromas> Put linux on one of the laps and start testing all the scripts in wine
[02:13:44] <Bytram> I intend to have a separate lappy for windows and a separate one for Linux.
[02:14:28] <chromas> Outsource some testing to tmb
[02:15:06] <Bytram> i have *heard* of wine for years and years, but remember - I'm much more of an applications-using kind of guy. Setting up equipment and getting underlying software working... not my bailiwick.
[02:15:52] <chromas> Install it from your package manager (probabl sudo apt-get install wine)
[02:16:07] <chromas> Then do wine cmd in a terminal
[02:16:24] <Bytram> So, just getting bare-bones Linus up and running and configured in a way that does not drive me nuts will be enough of a challenge for the first several months.
[02:17:04] <Bytram> how'd I do htat? Remeber I have *never* seen it in action... only heard people write about it. TLI5, k?
[02:18:05] <chromas> what's your distro? Ubuntu?
[02:18:14] <Bytram> Look, somehting as simple as getting an exact copy of a windows disk has taken the better part of a day or two.
[02:18:17] <Bytram> ~blamer
[02:18:19] <Bytram> ~blame
[02:18:20] * exec points at Bytram
[02:18:33] <chromas> Did you ever get the disc image?
[02:18:44] <Bytram> right now, I am too tired to think. Maybe tomorrow. I *am* *spent*!!!
[02:18:53] <Bytram> No more disk stuff today.
[02:18:55] <chromas> That's what he said
[02:19:23] <Bytram> space space .kick space space chromas space space
[02:19:44] <Bytram> s/space//2,3
[02:19:45] <chromas> Once a king, always a king. Once a knight is enough
[02:20:03] <Bytram> I say ni!
[02:20:29] <Bytram> #yt knights that say Ni
[02:20:29] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- The Knights Who Say &quot;Ni!&quot; - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
[02:20:44] <chromas> Knights in shining nickel?
[02:22:14] <Bytram> please don't get me wrong, I do appreciate very much the attempt at being helpful, but after the hassle that htis disk duplicating has turned out to be, I pushed out six stories, and if it were not for the backspace key, you would see me istyping everyothr charactr
[02:26:04] <Bytram> chromas: I apologize for being short and seemingly unappreciative. Let me have a knight two sleep and aisle bee inn butter sharpe too understand.
[02:26:40] <Bytram> I thnkg, with that, I'm gonna call it a night.
[02:27:19] <Bytram> thanks again, chromas janrinok and chromas for your generous assistance (and patience!) today!
[02:27:30] <Bytram> good night evrybody!
[02:33:22] <chromas> No apology needed. I didn't even know you were being short. I'm just being a butt like usual :)
[02:35:21] <Bytram> "As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons." -- https://www.desiderata.com
[02:35:55] <Bytram> You may not have needed to hear it, but it was important for me to *say* it. Capiche?
[02:36:27] <Bytram> anyway bed time for bonzo who went to college and ronnie became president
[12:28:47] <janrinok> Bytram, ping me when you are ready, fully rested and looking for a challenge!
[13:14:28] <Bytram> janrinok: ping
[13:14:37] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:37:50] <janrinok> I'm here
[13:38:32] <janrinok> Bytram, where did you finish up yesterday?
[13:39:41] <Bytram> I may have been mistaken before, but just to set the record straight, the version of Ubuntu I am now going to be trying to use is: Ubuntu 18.04.1
[13:39:56] <janrinok> correct
[13:40:06] <Bytram> quite frankly, totally frustrated.
[13:40:26] <Bytram> I *really* want to nuke it and start from the beginning.
[13:40:27] <janrinok> I've backread and I could sense that in your writing
[13:40:48] <janrinok> OK, if that is what you want to do
[13:41:45] <janrinok> I think part of the problem is that there were several people trying to help but not all trying to do the same thing. Any one would have been helpful but all together it was just confusing.
[13:42:02] <Bytram> In new lappy atm, I have booted Ububuntu 18.04.1 and have hard disk w/ 18.10 that I had previously installed. For starters, I am about to try and install 18.04.1 onto that hard disk
[13:42:13] <Bytram> likely, yes. also
[13:42:42] <Bytram> never ask for help until after evrything has been tried and things are all bolluxed up!
[13:42:42] <janrinok> I'm not sure what you are trying to do, and what do you mean by 'nuke it and start over'?
[13:43:05] <janrinok> do you want to redo the disk cloning?
[13:43:08] <Bytram> replace ubuntu 18.10 on THAT hard disk with ubuntu 18.04.1
[13:43:22] <Bytram> (talking aboiut the new lappy)
[13:43:42] <janrinok> do you mean install 18.04.1 on that drive, or simply save a copy of it to that drive?
[13:44:34] <Bytram> Install so that, instead of the tediously long boot from the DVD ( and all later activities that need to look something up ) all would now be on disk.
[13:45:06] <janrinok> STOP
[13:45:38] <Bytram> stopped
[13:45:39] <janrinok> that will overwrite your windows installation which you cloned on to that drive
[13:45:45] <Bytram> No.
[13:46:10] <Bytram> I have 3 (three) SSDs. Orig windows; cloned windows; and (atm) ubuntu 18.10
[13:46:30] <janrinok> ah, you see that is a new bit of information.
[13:46:48] <Bytram> so sorry! I knew that, figured you did, too! =)
[13:47:02] <janrinok> I thought you had 2, the original in the old lappy, and the cloned drive in the new lappy
[13:47:19] <Bytram> yep, and the other one that you now know about.
[13:47:51] <Bytram> So, can I install ubuintu once it has already been booted, or did I miss soething on the ubuntu boot screen?
[13:48:03] <janrinok> no, I didn't know about it. When you said you had found 18.04 I thought you had found a copy of the iso file, not an installed disk
[13:48:03] <Bytram> (booed from dvd)
[13:48:42] <Bytram> Correction: the version of ubuntu that I have: 18.04.1 on dvd; 18.10 installed on SSD
[13:48:54] <janrinok> OK, but how is this going to help - you can only have 1 drive installed in the new lappy at once can't you?
[13:49:29] <Bytram> oh, yeah, I suppose so.
[13:49:49] <janrinok> so you cannot use the ubuntu drive to try to fix the win drive
[13:50:09] <janrinok> BUT you can use an ubuntu CD to fix your win drive
[13:50:25] <Bytram> Just trying to get as many "noisy things" out of my mind as possible. U 18.10 was a problem yesterday... I want to nuke it so that I can *completely* forget about it. Does that make sense?
[13:50:41] <janrinok> yes
[13:50:46] <Bytram> Whew!
[13:50:48] <Bytram> =)
[13:50:58] <Bytram> So, let us start over, k?
[13:51:13] <janrinok> so, you want the ubuntu drive in your new lappy, and the 18.04 CD ready to boot with on the same computer
[13:51:44] <janrinok> does that sound right with you?
[13:52:11] <Bytram> I want 18.04.1 on new lappy's SSD which currently has U 18.10 installed
[13:52:39] <janrinok> great - simply boot up from the 18.04.1 CD on you new lappy
[13:52:46] <Bytram> there
[13:53:01] <janrinok> you should have 2 options - try and install
[13:53:10] <janrinok> press Install
[13:53:33] <janrinok> ... and follow the instructions
[13:54:32] <janrinok> I reckon it will take about 20 minutes for a SSD, I'm going to make a cup of tea but will be watching in case you have questions
[13:54:39] <Bytram> But where is the install option, IIRC I put in the DVD after selecting boot from DVD in my bios and the it went straight to U desktop... maybe I saw a prompt and, being just barely awake, skipped the install option?
[13:55:34] * Bytram restarts new lappy
[13:55:40] <janrinok> Just reboot and let it finish doing everything - the last window is a white window on the desktop with 2 options - Try and Install
[13:55:41] <Bytram> see's dell logo
[13:55:55] <Bytram> hears DVD action
[13:56:09] <Bytram> and straight back to desktop
[13:56:21] <Bytram> am going to to a power off, instead
[13:56:29] <janrinok> that is too quick - it normally takes a few minutes to boot from DVD
[13:56:50] <Bytram> yeah, that was my clue.
[13:56:50] <janrinok> press F8 to make sure that you boot from the dvd
[13:57:21] <Bytram> is F12 to get to BIOS, but I knew what you meant!
[13:57:46] <Bytram> selected... and there is a bunch of DVD noise, now.
[13:58:03] <janrinok> f8 normally gives me boot options... F12 is Bios options but as long as there is a menu that works for you that is good!
[13:59:04] <janrinok> let it finish booting and do NOT touch the keyboard - it pauses several times during boot but pressing the keyboard can select the try option rather than install
[13:59:21] <Bytram> screen now sowing ubuntu logo (BTW, from now on, typing Ubuntu takes too much work and time... I'm going to use just "U" by itself from nowon
[13:59:38] <Bytram> my hands are off *that* kbd
[13:59:38] <Bytram> =)
[14:00:58] <janrinok> as an aside - what kind of desktop do you like? I dislike the default Ubuntu desktop - I prefer MATE which is old-school almost XP like but very easy to configure so that it can run your scripts from a menu
[14:01:03] <Bytram> Something tells me they could have done a better job in how they laid things out on the DVD, so it would have far fewer (time consuming) head motions
[14:01:56] <janrinok> I has to discover what is installed and then fetch the appropriate drivers - they are all included. It is not like Windows where you have to load them one at a time
[14:02:02] <janrinok> It*
[14:02:02] <Bytram> Don't have enough experience with diff distros, windowing environments, desktops, and whatever you want to call 'em. At this point, I am *ALL* for KiSS.
[14:02:51] <janrinok> It is easy to change desktops, but each time you change to a new one it will need configuring. That is why it is good to know what you want to do and how you like it to appear
[14:03:23] <janrinok> All the desktops are up-to-date, but they all behave very differently
[14:03:27] <Bytram> Oh... that makes sense, in a way.
[14:04:59] <janrinok> and you can have desktops with special effects and bells and whistles - but that doesn't actually help you do anything but some people find them attractive.
[14:05:06] <Bytram> Yeah, even the line between what is the OS (Linux vs BSD vs ...) and what are the distro-specific commands are ... opaque to me atm... besides the usual GNU userland tools like ls, grep, sed, and awk
[14:05:15] <janrinok> I prefer everything to GET OUT OF MY WAY!
[14:05:37] <Bytram> Okay, now have U install choice screen.
[14:05:49] <janrinok> I know MATE reasonably well but the others not so much
[14:06:06] <Bytram> Likewise; eye candy takes computes that I would rather apply to what I am trying to actually accomplish!
[14:06:36] <janrinok> select Install and follow the instructions. You might need to click on the desktop if you find it doesn't like the install selection straight away
[14:06:50] <janrinok> let me know when it has started
[14:07:00] <Bytram> Default highlight is on "English" and there are two "Buttons": "Try Ubuntu" and "Install Ubuntu". Obviously, I should choose the Install option.
[14:07:09] <janrinok> ...cos S wants her cup of tea ;)
[14:07:17] <janrinok> correct
[14:07:28] * Bytram clicked on Install.
[14:07:33] <janrinok> the English defaults to US english
[14:07:35] <Bytram> kbd layout: en-US
[14:08:23] <Bytram> Connect to network...
[14:08:42] <Bytram> I clicked on the SID of my phone
[14:08:54] <Bytram> now I click on "Connect"
[14:09:16] <Bytram> entering password...
[14:10:08] <Bytram> clicks "Connect" button on THAT dialog box.
[14:10:36] <janrinok> normally it finds connections itself, but your configuration is not a common one
[14:10:38] <Bytram> back to "Select Network" screen"
[14:11:12] <Bytram> I do not see an obvious indication that I am actually on the network. ??
[14:11:53] <janrinok> I don't know because I have never seen what you are seeing - as I say it normally just sails on past. But you can leave the connection to later if you want
[14:11:56] <Bytram> OTOH, the button selection is now: "Quit","Back", "Continue"
[14:12:01] <janrinok> continue
[14:12:12] <Bytram> I will assume all is okay and Continue
[14:12:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:13:47] <Bytram> See radio button choice: What apps would you like to install to start with? (Normal | Minimal)
[14:13:58] * Bytram goes for normal (the default)
[14:14:00] <Bytram> Also,
[14:14:19] <Bytram> See "Other Options" with two checkboxes:
[14:14:35] <Bytram> (1) Download updates while installing U
[14:14:59] <Bytram> (This saves time after installation)
[14:15:47] <Bytram> (2) Install third-party software for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware and additional media formats.
[14:15:56] <janrinok> yes to that
[14:16:13] <janrinok> it allows you to play DVDs and adds lots of other goodies
[14:16:33] <Bytram> (This software is subject to license terms included with its documentation. Some is propietary.)
[14:16:45] <Bytram> Which "yes"
[14:16:50] <janrinok> yep - which is why it has to ask you
[14:17:05] <janrinok> install third party ...
[14:17:37] <janrinok> and update if your data cap is not too tight. the Update isn't huge
[14:17:42] <Bytram> okay, (a) Normal install, (b) Download updates while installing AND (c) Install 3rd party.
[14:17:51] <janrinok> good to go
[14:18:20] <Bytram> lemme check for sure... brb
[14:18:49] <janrinok> about 15 minutes or so once it starts installing everything - depends a bit on your connection speed
[14:20:27] <Bytram> I have used a *total* of 10.52 GB out of 15 GB, BUT... the 15 GB limit is for what I used while tethered, I have unlimited cap for things that are done strictly on the phone, and I have not yet found a way to tell how much is in which "bucket" atm.
[14:21:13] <Bytram> so 2/3 way through data at 1/2 way through period. I feel lucky.
[14:21:53] <janrinok> you have plenty there for what we are doing but I cannot know how much you need for the rest of the period
[14:21:59] <Bytram> so, yes, (a), (b), *and* (c) /me clicks "Continue" button.
[14:22:46] <Bytram> Will that get me to 18.04. ?????
[14:23:27] <Bytram> or is that just for getting the latest and greatest versions of apps that it installs?
[14:23:32] <janrinok> that will update you to 18.04.4 which is the very latest of the 18.04 series. Supported until 2023 with security updates until 2027 I think
[14:23:52] <janrinok> everything that can be updated will be!
[14:23:52] <Bytram> Oh! Good! Good!
[14:24:39] * Bytram will then cross his fingers and click "Continue" for realsies this time to actually go and install OS, apps, and updates onto SSD
[14:25:55] <janrinok> can you remember the first time you used an SSD? I thought that software wasn't installing because there was nothing to hear and it happened so quickly
[14:26:16] * Bytram hears DVD action. expects this will take a while. My connection mostly averages about 500 KB/s, though I have seen spurts to 1.2 GB/s and drops to undr 100 KB/s
[14:26:35] <Bytram> More radio buttons....
[14:26:50] <janrinok> oh, saying what?
[14:27:02] <Bytram> This computwer currently has no detected operating system. What would you like to do?
[14:27:18] <Bytram> (*) Erase disk and install U
[14:27:23] <Bytram> [ ] encrypu
[14:27:58] <janrinok> erase and install unless you are paranoid in which case select encryption too
[14:27:59] <Bytram> [ ] Use LVM with new U install (allows snapshots and easier partition resizing)
[14:28:07] <Bytram> ( ) Something else.
[14:28:09] <Bytram> .
[14:28:37] <Bytram> I prefer (*) Erase disk and install *and* [*] install LVM.
[14:28:42] <janrinok> the first one is the easiest. I happen to use full disk encryption but that is because I am paranoid. You don't need it
[14:28:55] <janrinok> good choice
[14:29:13] <Bytram> zactlty on encrypt, I live alone (so no worries there) and if I forget/lose pwd I am SOL.
[14:29:45] <Bytram> Grrrr, track pad is *so* touchy/twitchy/sensitive!
[14:30:27] <Bytram> Erase b4 install, use LVM coming right up. /me clicks "Install Now"
[14:30:41] <janrinok> just so you don't worry - I've updated the queues until into tomorrow UTC
[14:30:58] <janrinok> Erase b4 install takes a while
[14:31:03] * Bytram had already checked before he even booted his lappys
[14:31:17] * janrinok knew he would have done
[14:32:00] <Bytram> New d/b (Dialog Box) title: Write the changes to the disks?
[14:32:04] <janrinok> yes
[14:32:29] <Bytram> (first thought is Doh! tht is what I am trying to do! But /me reads choices anyway)
[14:32:57] <janrinok> it is simply getting you to check that you have done what you wanted to do
[14:33:21] <janrinok> ... because there is no turning back now...!
[14:33:23] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:34:02] <janrinok> go grab a coffee unless you think that installing software is a spectator sport
[14:34:20] <Bytram> Prtition table: LVM VG ubuntu-vg, LV root and LVM VG ubuntu-vg LV swap
[14:34:34] <janrinok> perfect
[14:34:56] <Bytram> formattig: root as ext4, swap_1 as swap
[14:35:25] <janrinok> If I was mean I would have typed 'STOP' now, but you can do without that.... ;)
[14:35:58] * Bytram is not sure where "swap" suddenly came from, but knows how useful it is so ignores that detail for now.
[14:36:17] <Bytram> clicks "Continue"
[14:36:50] <Bytram> setting TZ see map shown
[14:37:06] <janrinok> swap is a virtual swap area on the disk which gets used when memory is getting full. It is not really necessary nowadays with computers having so much memory, but it can be useful when video editing which uses huge files
[14:37:42] * Bytram picks something in the Eastern TZ (NYC)
[14:38:05] <Bytram> Yep, is part of what I tested at IBM ;)
[14:38:23] <Bytram> More questions !!?!!! =)
[14:38:33] <janrinok> go ahead
[14:38:34] <Bytram> d/b "Who are you?"
[14:38:42] <janrinok> username for this computer
[14:39:06] <janrinok> don't give it your full name - who needs it?
[14:39:08] <Bytram> my name, pc name, usernam, pwd, confirm pwd
[14:39:21] <Bytram> always try to avoid giving my real name
[14:39:43] <janrinok> fill in whatever you choose
[14:40:11] <Bytram> Oh, and I have learned not to make it too long because I never know where some program decides I wil need to key it in.
[14:40:31] <janrinok> lol - lessons learned the hard way, huh?
[14:40:37] <Bytram> yep
[14:40:54] <Bytram> User name: UserNameU1
[14:41:07] <janrinok> by the way, somebody has just sent you a {{{}}} - and it wasn't me!
[14:41:50] <Bytram> Comp name: E6410-001
[14:41:58] <Bytram> username: martyb
[14:42:40] <Bytram> pwd: I ain't telling ya! But it is... just plain obvious.
[14:43:09] <janrinok> you've just told me! it's "just plain obvious"
[14:43:25] <janrinok> you haven't got a clue about security have you!?
[14:43:52] <Bytram> () Login automatically (*) Require pwd to logon
[14:44:03] <Bytram> "Continue"
[14:44:09] <janrinok> yep
[14:44:55] <Bytram> Would be nice if it could tell me that it is done asking questions and that this will take a while, so come back in 10-15 minutes or whatever
[14:45:04] <janrinok> it will do
[14:45:17] <janrinok> but it is prolly already downloading in the background too
[14:45:28] <Bytram> New screen displays "Copying Files" has img of "Bionic Beaver"
[14:45:44] <janrinok> there you go - it is doing it
[14:45:49] <Bytram> yep,
[14:46:04] <Bytram> just saw an 'ad" for ubuntu store and spotify and..
[14:46:19] <janrinok> nah - they are all optional
[14:46:34] <janrinok> and you can always select them later if you want
[14:46:46] <Bytram> break time; {{{{S}}} oh, and {{{{JR}}}} ;)
[14:46:55] <Bytram> back in... 10 minutes.
[14:47:06] <janrinok> it will also tell you about the software that is being installed or that you might find useful. Nothing for you to do though
[14:47:14] <Bytram> k
[14:48:09] <Bytram> btw, I am anticipating a phone call at a few minutes (or even quarter past) the hour... How 'bout we adjourn until half past?
[14:48:22] <janrinok> will that stop the computer from updating?
[14:49:13] <Bytram> Nope; my carrier rolled out VoLTE (Voice over LTE) Now I can surf and talk at the same time =)
[14:49:30] <janrinok> I will hang around in case you have a problem, but otherwise I'll not expect you to reappear until half-past ish
[14:49:51] <Bytram> well, the phone will let me do it, not sure if I am that talented just yet ;)
[14:50:13] <janrinok> can't walk and chew gum at the same time - got it!
[14:50:45] <Bytram> If anything comes up urgent, I cn ping you, but i nkow you have things to do, too. So I am trying to be mindful of *your* time, too.
[14:51:13] <janrinok> thanks, but until the nurse gets here I am FREE!!!
[14:51:13] <Bytram> biab
[14:51:50] <Bytram> retrieving files
[14:52:06] <Bytram> Long ways to go, it seems.
[14:52:16] <Bytram> k
[15:23:46] <Bytram> Woo Hoooo! "Installation is complete. You need to restart the computer in order to use the new installation."
[15:24:08] * Bytram clicks the "Restart Now" button.
[15:24:24] <janrinok> there is a clue there on what to do next
[15:24:42] <Bytram> Where????
[15:25:15] * Bytram hears a lot of DVD acttivity; install complete msg still on screen
[15:25:26] <janrinok> it will ask you to remove the dvd
[15:25:29] <Bytram> Ahhh
[15:25:49] <Bytram> "Please remove the installation medium, then press ENTER."
[15:26:02] <Bytram> removed
[15:26:14] * Bytram clicks Enter.
[15:26:27] <janrinok> it will take slightly longer to start than it will in the future as it has to configure your home directory for you
[15:26:38] <Bytram> And.. away we go!
[15:26:40] <Bytram> k
[15:26:43] <Bytram> good to know
[15:27:53] <Bytram> Clicks "icon", enters pwd; and now see a "What's newe in Ubntu" screen display.
[15:28:13] <Bytram> janrinok: Thank You Very Much!
[15:28:17] <Bytram> janrinok++
[15:28:28] <janrinok> you might want to pick the option to stop that splash screen appearing every time you log in
[15:28:31] <Bytram> Huh?
[15:28:34] <janrinok> bottom left I think?
[15:28:36] <Bytram> juist a sec
[15:28:48] <Bytram> .op
[15:28:48] -!- mode/#qa [+o Bytram] by wheatley
[15:29:20] <janrinok> otherwise click through until you reach a usable desktop
[15:30:03] <Bytram> .deop
[15:30:03] -!- mode/#qa [-o Bytram] by wheatley
[15:30:08] <Bytram> foo++
[15:30:22] * Bytram tried to invite Bender; no joy
[15:30:43] <janrinok> ~gnight nobody
[15:30:44] * exec $adverb culturally appropriates a udp packet of herpes from nobody
[15:30:49] <Bytram> okay, clearing "noise" on screen
[15:30:57] <Bytram> tht was exec, not Bender :/
[15:31:05] <janrinok> what do I know...?
[15:31:08] <Bytram> #g Bender
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[15:31:19] <Bytram> =g Bender
[15:31:20] <systemd> https://www.benderinc.com - Bender Inc. - The Leader in Ground Fault Monitoring and Ground ...
[15:31:32] <Bytram> !uid
[15:31:37] <janrinok> most enlightening, i am sue
[15:31:41] <Bytram> ^^^ that would be from Bender
[15:31:43] <janrinok> I am sure*
[15:31:45] <Bytram> anyway....
[15:32:09] <janrinok> now do you want to continue and install MATE or not?
[15:33:39] <janrinok> because I haven't used the default desktop and cannot offer much advice on configuring it
[15:33:56] <janrinok> but it is entirely optional and your choice
[15:34:58] <Bytram> Hmm "Livepatch" "Canonical Livepatch helps keep your computer secure by applying some updates that would normally require restarting' "Would you like to set up Livepatch now?" buttons: [Set Up Livepatch...] [Legal notice]
[15:35:28] * Bytram does not see any way wto dismiss screen and NOT install ivepatch
[15:35:44] <Bytram> Oh!
[15:35:47] <janrinok> I don't use it - it is a technology that allows the kernel to be updated without restarting - I don't use it
[15:36:12] <Bytram> In the title bar! "Previous" "Llivepathc" "Next"
[15:36:23] <janrinok> there you go
[15:36:26] <Bytram> thanks for the warning
[15:37:06] <Bytram> Help improve U. () Send system info to Canonical (*) No, do not send.
[15:37:10] <janrinok> I prefer to control when my system updates the kernel
[15:37:12] <Bytram> I choose No send
[15:37:17] <janrinok> correct
[15:37:29] <janrinok> nurse is here
[15:38:15] <Bytram> "You're ready to go".. 'You can use "Software" to install apps like these:'
[15:38:17] <Bytram> k
[15:38:56] <Bytram> Title bar: "Previous" "Ready to go" "Done"
[15:39:52] * Bytram clicks done.
[15:39:59] <Bytram> new d/b
[15:40:10] <Bytram> title:Software updater
[15:40:54] <Bytram> Updated softwae has been issued since U 18.04 was released. Do you want to install it now?
[15:41:06] <Bytram> > Details of updates
[15:41:30] <Bytram> 12.8 MB will be downloaded.
[15:42:05] <Bytram> [Settings...] [Remind Me Later] [Install Now]
[15:45:48] <Bytram> Security Updates, Other Updates, Ubnuntu base
[15:48:23] * Bytram selects "Security updaes", "othr updaes" (but deselects Amazon) ... notices "Settings..." button -- clicks that
[15:49:13] <Bytram> title bar: "Software & Updates"; "Updates tab is pre-selected.
[15:49:59] <Bytram> Install updates from:
[15:50:21] <Bytram> [] Important security updates (bionic-security)
[15:50:42] <Bytram> [] Recommended updates (bionic-updates)
[15:50:51] <janrinok> do you want to install MATE desktop?
[15:51:03] <Bytram> [] Unsupported updates (bionic-backports)
[15:51:28] * Bytram selects only "Important" updates.
[15:51:39] <Bytram> Check? Weekly.
[15:52:01] <janrinok> it's entirely up to you - BUT DO YOU WANT TO INSTALL MATE
[15:52:15] <Bytram> WHen there are security updaters, "Display immediately"
[15:52:25] <Bytram> I dunno, but pls shh
[15:52:28] <janrinok> because, if you do, you might not need all the updates that you are now installing
[15:52:41] <Bytram> k
[15:52:59] <Bytram> When there are other updates "Display weekly"
[15:53:38] <Bytram> Notify me of a new U version: For long-term support versions.
[15:53:52] <Bytram> [Revert] [Close]
[15:53:56] <janrinok> yes - that is a good choice
[15:54:21] * Bytram clicks close
[15:55:09] <Bytram> saw prior install screen displayed when this one was dismissed.. and about 2 seconds later.. both were gone. ??
[15:55:31] <janrinok> well, it will reappear when you next log in
[15:55:43] <Bytram> oh. k.
[15:55:53] <janrinok> unless you deselected the option which I think was in the bottom left of that window
[15:57:11] <Bytram> but I expected it do d/l and install the updates I selected... or maybe it did, but because it was such a small update, it happened, and blinked out? Would have preferred a confirmation notice "Update have been downloaded and installed"
[15:57:29] <Bytram> not to my recollection, but entirely possible.
[15:57:35] <Bytram> touchpads--
[15:57:45] <janrinok> you have a lot of scripts that use sed, awk etc. MATE has a very easy way of creating a menu that integrates into the desktop so that you can apply your scripts to files or directories displayed on screen using mouse clicks
[15:58:36] <janrinok> no, you were only telling it how and when you wanted it to update - the actual updates will appear as an icon when they are available.
[15:59:01] <Bytram> so... rather than just a list of files in a dir that I could click on, I could organize 'em into a menu hierarchy?
[15:59:39] <janrinok> yep. You could select any file, right click on it, and then select the script that you wanted to run on it
[15:59:59] <Bytram> that was with the "settings" d/b, but that was spawned from a screen that asked me *what* I wanted to d/l to bring up to latest version 18.04.4(?)
[16:00:07] <Bytram> neet
[16:00:17] <janrinok> they will need some minor changes to them but I have all that already written and can give them to you
[16:00:46] <janrinok> but I have to go a cook - we need to coordinate our tz better!
[16:00:49] <Bytram> sounds veery useful, pls remind me later?
[16:00:54] <janrinok> will do
[16:00:56] <Bytram> Your move!
[16:00:58] <Bytram> ;)
[16:01:13] <janrinok> I'll meet you half-way
[16:01:22] <Bytram> sink or swim? Eh?
[16:01:32] <janrinok> lol - something like that...
[16:01:40] <Bytram> ::laughter::
[16:02:07] <janrinok> gtg - back later and we can start trying to configure your linux or fix your clone disk if you wish
[16:02:15] <Bytram> go eat, and I'll do the same. Is lunch time-ish for me.
[16:02:22] <janrinok> k laters
[16:02:41] <Bytram> do clone would be my pref. start over from square 1
[16:02:44] <Bytram> laters
[17:59:10] <janrinok> ready when you are !
[18:01:53] <janrinok> Bytram, ping
[18:04:31] <Bytram> gnop
[18:05:01] <Bytram> before I forget: FYI, I have TWO external USB drive enclosures, if that makes things any easier.
[18:05:51] <Bytram> and, if need be, I am pretty sure I have a 2? TB external spinny USB disk somewhere, too.
[18:06:27] <janrinok> not for me - but it depends on how you want to manage your hardware. We are going to inspect each SSD using the command line to compare the disk data to ensure that they agree with each other
[18:07:58] <Bytram> k
[18:08:53] <Bytram> I am talking to you from my windows lappy; the U 18.04.4 lappy is up and running. Each is booted from their respective SSDs
[18:09:17] <Bytram> Oh, and I still have the UI 18.04.1 DVD I can boot from
[18:09:55] <janrinok> as we have to do this to both computers it is probably best to boot the windows from 18.04.1 disk because I have no idea how to inspect the disk from Windows
[18:10:21] <Bytram> k
[18:10:26] <Bytram> hrmmm
[18:12:11] <Bytram> Well, quite frankly, this Win lappy is now a day or two out of sync with what I previously duped. I have absolutely no qualms (and would actually prefer) to start from scratch and make a new duplicate.
[18:13:27] <janrinok> it doesn't matter for the bit of the disk that we will be looking at. The bit we are looking at is the disk formatting data which doesn't change until you reformat the disk
[18:13:40] <janrinok> you might have to re-dupe anyway if they don't match
[18:15:24] <Bytram> I expect they won't, that's the thiing.... I was struggling to get gparted to prepare the disk so that I could get dd to recognicze it, this after I could not figure out how to get ddrescue to talk to it.
[18:16:09] <janrinok> it doesn't matter what you did before the bit copy - after the bit copy they should be identical. You will have overwritten anything that gParted did
[18:17:06] <janrinok> but if we find a difference then the bit copy didn't do what you had intended, which is why we need to look at it. Repeating exactly what you did before will give you the very same results
[18:17:39] <Bytram> okay, we will do it your way if you insist, but I sense this may be a short cut that will take longer than starting from over from scratch, and I *really* *do* want a newer copy of my windows SSD.
[18:18:18] <Bytram> what I would like to do it pretend I ain't done nothing yet. Start all over from the beginning
[18:18:34] <janrinok> this shouldn't take long - far less than a new bitcopy that copies the wrong data again
[18:18:41] <Bytram> okaaaay
[18:18:56] <Bytram> give me a while to shut everything down
[18:19:17] <janrinok> has your old lappy rebooted with 18.04 yet - if not, let me know when you are ready
[18:20:37] <Bytram> will do...
[18:20:43] <Bytram> till shutting things down
[18:21:12] <janrinok> np
[18:22:19] <Bytram> hoold on a moment
[18:23:12] <Bytram> crap I forgot my sn pwd...
[18:23:14] <Bytram> brb
[18:24:17] <janrinok> you told me it was "just plain obvious" - obviously not as obvious as you thought...
[18:24:35] <janrinok> ;)
[18:25:35] <Bytram> that was for the ubuntu SSD
[18:25:53] <janrinok> ah, obviously
[18:27:31] <Bytram> grrr, starred out typing!
[18:28:34] <janrinok> that's why I use a line of asterisks for my password - it always gives me a hint
[18:30:01] <Bytram> finally!
[18:30:33] <janrinok> ok - you will need your usb/thumb drive too
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[18:31:09] <Bytram> k
[18:31:18] <Bytram> got it.
[18:31:36] <janrinok> OK, open a terminal - with the default desktop just type terminal in the search bar
[18:31:38] <Bytram> finishnig shutting down win lappy
[18:32:07] <janrinok> what? - I thought we were already rebooting it!
[18:32:50] <Bytram_Unew> Nope, I was trying to get onto IRC on the new U lappy so we could continue this coversation
[18:33:04] <janrinok> ah....
[18:33:16] <Bytram_Unew> right?
[18:33:39] <janrinok> fine - let me know when you have 18.04 running on the win lappy
[18:34:29] <Bytram_Unew> k
[18:35:03] <janrinok> is that running now or were you just acknowledging my message
[18:35:38] <Bytram_Unew> oh! noew I remember, for some reason ddrescue woould not recognize my USB stick for writing the mapfile to
[18:35:45] <Bytram_Unew> just acknowleging
[18:35:49] <janrinok> k
[18:36:53] <Bytram_Unew> note to self: is always easier to open the media bay when the computer is powered up. =)
[18:37:07] <janrinok> very true that
[18:37:23] * Bytram_Unew has his bent paperclip saved away in his tool box.
[18:37:46] <Bytram_Unew> still booting
[18:38:56] <Bytram_Unew> Oh! fwiw, I thnk I stil have the 500Gb 7200RPM windows disk that was in the original laptop and that was obsoleted by my upgrade to an SSC
[18:39:07] <Bytram_Unew> still booting
[18:39:35] <janrinok> k, but it won't help us at the moment
[18:40:42] <Bytram_Unew> nod nod; is something I *just* remembered and wanted to let you know, just in case cold be helpful down the line.
[18:40:56] <Bytram_Unew> s/cold/it could/
[18:41:04] <Bytram_Unew> ~sed on
[18:41:05] <exec> sed enabled for 10#qa
[18:41:16] <janrinok> best we both understand what we are each doing....
[18:41:18] <Bytram_Unew> ruh roh!
[18:41:53] <janrinok> OK, while it is booting, I will explain what we are going to do
[18:42:07] <Bytram_Unew> Installation failed The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session wil l now be run so that yoju may investiga
[18:42:17] <Bytram_Unew> or try installing agin.
[18:42:26] <Bytram_Unew> [OK]
[18:42:33] <janrinok> You shouldn't be installing anything!"
[18:42:48] <Bytram_Unew> I'm not!
[18:42:55] <janrinok> you should just be running the 18.04 as a live disk
[18:43:03] <Bytram_Unew> I just put the DVD in the drive and booted. that is all.
[18:43:12] <Bytram_Unew> yes!
[18:43:33] <janrinok> OK, you might have a hardware probelm
[18:43:49] <janrinok> or a dirty DVD
[18:44:04] <Bytram_Unew> I thnk someone failed to handle an edge case in their QA and accidentally had incorrect text fdor that error
[18:44:09] <Bytram_Unew> k
[18:44:11] <Bytram_Unew> now at desktop
[18:44:24] <janrinok> ok, let me explain what we are going to do
[18:44:31] <Bytram_Unew> we wil lsee how this goes; it it works, we're good. If ot, I'll reboot
[18:44:42] <Bytram_Unew> yes, please!
[18:45:01] <Bytram_Unew> Up until now, I have had no idea at all what you have in mind.
[18:45:10] <janrinok> we are going to access a program called 'fdisk' as administrator in a terminal window. This gives you god-like access to the disk drive itself
[18:45:28] <Bytram_Unew> k
[18:45:32] <janrinok> DO NOT repeat DO NOT press the 'w' (write) key while we are doing this
[18:45:56] <janrinok> otherwise you will write to disk and possible corrupt it preventing your only working windows disk from working
[18:46:10] <Bytram_Unew> do I need a special way to open up a tgerminal as admin? Or just launch a normal terminal and then elevate from there (I am thinjig the latter)
[18:46:17] <janrinok> just take your time and 1 finger type
[18:46:26] <Bytram_Unew> THAT I can do!
[18:46:29] <janrinok> I'll talk you through each step
[18:46:33] <Bytram_Unew> o
[18:46:33] <Bytram_Unew> k
[18:46:35] <Bytram_Unew> .
[18:46:36] <Bytram_Unew> o
[18:46:36] <Bytram_Unew> n
[18:46:37] <Bytram_Unew> e
[18:46:37] <Bytram_Unew> s
[18:46:37] <Bytram_Unew> t
[18:46:38] <Bytram_Unew> e
[18:46:40] <Bytram_Unew> p
[18:46:41] <Bytram_Unew> =)
[18:46:45] <Bytram_Unew> at a time.
[18:46:58] <janrinok> so, in the search window type 'terminal' without the quotes of course
[18:47:52] * Bytram_Unew does not se a search window... thinks yu mean for me to click the 9-dot-thingy in the lower left hand corner and then search, right?
[18:48:10] <janrinok> yes, I do not know your desktop
[18:48:22] <Bytram_Unew> k, just making double double sure.
[18:48:32] <janrinok> I haven't seen it in over 3 years or so now
[18:48:46] <Bytram_Unew> Oh, got ya!
[18:48:53] <janrinok> happy with double,triple, double sure
[18:49:04] <Bytram_Unew> go on
[18:49:27] <janrinok> please confirm you only have 1 SSD attached/installed to the win lappy
[18:49:56] <Bytram_Unew> yes, just one. In theinternal bay
[18:50:02] <janrinok> excellent
[18:50:34] <janrinok> now you can either cut/paste or type the following (without the quotes) ' sudo fdisk /dev/sda '
[18:51:14] <Bytram_Unew> no can cut paste... this is the new lappy i\I am talkoing to you from
[18:51:22] <Bytram_Unew> just a moment
[18:51:54] <Bytram_Unew> Yay!
[18:51:55] <janrinok> so highlight (which copies) more the mouse to the terminal and press the middle mouse key
[18:52:17] <janrinok> tell me what you see
[18:52:23] <Bytram_Unew> Old lappy did nnot recognize my UHD moitor, so move it to old lppy so I can see you beter
[18:53:03] <Bytram_Unew> ugh, mooved it new lappy
[18:53:35] <janrinok> what has the new lappy got to do with this again?
[18:54:08] <janrinok> it will only recognise a new screen at boot up for the time being
[18:54:10] <Bytram_Unew> it is where I have IR in a firefox tab
[18:54:18] <Bytram_Unew> IRC in a firefox tab
[18:54:42] <janrinok> haven't a clue what that means. have you entered that command in the terminal and, if so, what does it say?
[18:54:42] <Bytram_Unew> command (m) for help
[18:54:55] <Bytram_Unew> ^^^
[18:54:56] <janrinok> press p [enter]
[18:55:04] <Bytram_Unew> k
[18:55:28] <janrinok> it should now give the complete spec of your SSD and the partitions on it
[18:55:42] <Bytram_Unew> lotsa noise from DVD as it is ooading
[18:55:51] <Bytram_Unew> yes
[18:56:25] <janrinok> great. Now using the mouse, highlight the contents of the terminal window from where you pressed p to the bottom
[18:57:11] <janrinok> that should copy the highlighted contents to the clipboard
[18:58:10] <Bytram_Unew> copied to clipboard
[18:58:45] <janrinok> ok, using the search bar (or whatever) find a text editor - something simple not LibreOffice or anything silly
[18:59:45] * Bytram_Unew found "text editor"
[19:00:21] <janrinok> move your mouse to the text editor window and press the middle mouse button - or even maybe Ctrl-V
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[19:00:51] <janrinok> are you still there?
[19:01:06] <Bytram_oldlappy> yes
[19:01:19] <janrinok> I'm getting joining msges
[19:01:34] <janrinok> have you saved that data to the text editor?
[19:01:40] <Bytram_oldlappy> yeah, so I cn cut-n-paste
[19:01:44] <Bytram_oldlappy> yes
[19:02:13] <janrinok> ok, back to the terminal and press q - CAREFUL it is next to the w key which WE DO NOT PRESS
[19:02:33] <Bytram_oldlappy> GOT IT!
[19:02:53] <Bytram_oldlappy> q and then enter, too?
[19:02:59] <janrinok> yes
[19:03:05] <Bytram_oldlappy> just double checking
[19:03:15] <janrinok> Your SSD is safe again now
[19:03:17] <Bytram_oldlappy> back to terminal primpt
[19:03:38] <janrinok> ignore the terminal for the time being, but leave it open somewhere
[19:03:42] <Bytram_oldlappy> k
[19:04:13] <janrinok> insert the thumb drive and save the text file to the thumb drive. You should get some indication when you insert the drive so that you can access it
[19:04:16] <Bytram_oldlappy> If you would like, I could paste the output from fdisk, to here
[19:04:29] <janrinok> yeah - for safe keeping
[19:04:36] <Bytram_oldlappy> AHHH, Now I thnk I kow where you are going.
[19:05:25] * Bytram_oldlappy just installed thumbdrive into usb port
[19:07:59] <janrinok> any luck?
[19:08:21] <Bytram_oldlappy> with what? I put the thumbdrive into the USAB slot and am awaiting instructiomns
[19:08:40] <janrinok> open the thumbdrive and save the text file to the thumbdrive
[19:08:55] <Bytram_oldlappy> have not see=n any indication about it being recognized, yet
[19:09:26] <janrinok> I cannot see your desktop so look for a new icon down the LHS or something new on the desktop
[19:09:55] * chromas sticks his nose in to confuse things
[19:09:56] <janrinok> is it a formatted thumb drive? Have you used it before
[19:10:20] <Bytram_oldlappy> yes, and yes.
[19:10:40] <janrinok> so have you found an icon for it, or can you open a file manager?
[19:10:50] <Bytram_oldlappy> I just sent you an admin-to-user msg with the copied text pasted in
[19:12:08] <janrinok> OK, but you still need to save a copy of it on the thumbdrive - because you will want to compare it with the specification of the drive on the clone disk.
[19:12:59] <Bytram_oldlappy> the uisb is just means to an end; to have a way tocompare th outpuit of fdisk on both drives?
[19:13:17] <janrinok> has the led on the thumb drive lit up?
[19:13:43] <Bytram_oldlappy> drve has no oight
[19:13:52] <Bytram_oldlappy> drive has no light
[19:14:02] <janrinok> partly, but we also want to save the hwinfo output which is many pages long. We just haven't got to that stage yet
[19:14:23] <Bytram_oldlappy> oh, okay
[19:14:25] <janrinok> you will have to open a file manager - search for one
[19:15:06] <janrinok> if you can't find one, let me know
[19:15:48] <Bytram_oldlappy> could I jsut save it to a file and use IRC's user to user copy? Not sure how to find out if the USB drive is mounted, and if it is, where it is.
[19:16:15] <janrinok> go to the search bar and type 'file manager'
[19:16:20] <Bytram_oldlappy> that way I could send the files to you for your direct inspection
[19:16:23] <Bytram_oldlappy> k
[19:17:37] <Bytram_oldlappy> all I fond along those lines was seomthing called "files"
[19:17:43] <janrinok> that will do1
[19:17:44] <Bytram_oldlappy> it is up and open
[19:17:45] <janrinok> do!
[19:18:20] <janrinok> somewhere on there it should show you available drives - I don't know where because I use MATE and not the default that you are using
[19:18:34] <Bytram_oldlappy> looking
[19:19:01] <Bytram_oldlappy> does ot look good
[19:19:04] <Bytram_oldlappy> *not look
[19:19:14] <Bytram_oldlappy> only shows folders
[19:20:02] <janrinok> I can't offer suggestions because I cannot see your desktop - but I strongly suspect that it is there somewhere
[19:20:13] <Bytram_oldlappy> Ahhh, "othr locations"
[19:20:59] <Bytram_oldlappy> shows "Computer (2.5GB of 3.1GB avail) NS
[19:21:14] <Bytram_oldlappy> 1.0 tb VVOLUME /DEV/SDA1
[19:21:29] <Bytram_oldlappy> sry bout caps lock!
[19:21:29] <janrinok> not SDA - that is your SSD drive
[19:21:36] <Bytram_oldlappy> yep
[19:22:08] <janrinok> it looks like it cannot see your thumb drive. search for gparted and open it please
[19:23:16] <janrinok> but the 2.5Gb of 3.1Gb looks suspiciously like a thumb drive - what is the capacity of your thumb drive?
[19:23:39] <Bytram_oldlappy> lsblk shows both sda/sda1 and sdb/sdb1
[19:23:47] <janrinok> sdb1 is it
[19:24:08] <Bytram_oldlappy> I dunnmo but iknow how to make sure
[19:24:43] <janrinok> but it should also have a more usable name. Just try saving the text file and see if it gives you any options to chose where to put it
[19:25:21] <Bytram_oldlappy> good idea
[19:25:41] <janrinok> it's only 4k!
[19:27:31] <janrinok> any success yet?
[19:27:52] <Bytram_oldlappy> nope
[19:28:22] <Bytram_oldlappy> I pulled he thumb drive, did lsblk... inserted it back in,... saw a drive go and come back...
[19:28:36] <Bytram_oldlappy> but sdb became sdc
[19:28:54] <Bytram_oldlappy> don't I need to mount the drive?
[19:29:00] <janrinok> it will, because it thinks you have put in another drive
[19:29:13] <Bytram_oldlappy> yep,, not owrried about that.
[19:29:20] <janrinok> thumb drives should mount automatically - in fact any usb drive should
[19:29:53] <janrinok> did you watch the desktop when you plugged it in - you might have seen an icon appear
[19:29:54] <Bytram_oldlappy> well the device is recognized, but i am struggling to find out where trhe filesystem is
[19:29:59] <Bytram_oldlappy> no icon
[19:30:18] <janrinok> do you have a line of icons down the lhs of your screen?
[19:30:38] <Bytram_oldlappy> yes
[19:30:52] <Bytram_oldlappy> instll, firefox, thnderbird...
[19:30:59] <janrinok> slowly run your mouse over them and open any that sound remotely useful
[19:31:08] <Bytram_oldlappy> already did it
[19:31:10] <Bytram_oldlappy> no joy
[19:31:48] <janrinok> it is there somewhere but I cannot guide you without seeing the desktop
[19:32:01] <Bytram_oldlappy> lsblk -fs DOES NOT show a filesystem on it
[19:32:11] <janrinok> any icons anywhere else?
[19:32:34] <Bytram_oldlappy> me takes another look to make sure
[19:32:38] <janrinok> open gparted please
[19:33:52] <janrinok> I haven't got long left tonight - I thought this was going to be 30mins max lol!
[19:33:56] <Bytram_oldlappy> okay... foumnd it... "63 GB Volume"
[19:34:06] <janrinok> yay! where was it?
[19:34:32] <Bytram_oldlappy> hidden under a window
[19:34:35] <janrinok> lol
[19:34:44] <janrinok> it had to be there
[19:35:20] <janrinok> OK save the file to the thumb drive. Right click on the thumb drive icon and select unmount please
[19:35:46] <Bytram_oldlappy> write error
[19:36:39] <janrinok> not a lot I can do from here....
[19:36:53] <Bytram_oldlappy> nodnod
[19:37:04] <Bytram_oldlappy> really appreciate the attempt!
[19:37:15] <janrinok> np - I have the information
[19:37:30] <Bytram_oldlappy> lemme admin msg it to myself, too
[19:38:03] <janrinok> leave the win machine as it is, and move to the new lappy, with the clone drive in the external case attached to a usb port
[19:38:30] <janrinok> the new lappy should be running 18.04
[19:38:44] <Bytram_oldlappy> yes
[19:38:55] <janrinok> do NOT attach the thumb drive to the new lappy
[19:39:00] <Bytram_oldlappy> k
[19:40:11] <Bytram_oldlappy> fwiw, I havenow admin msgd the fdisk output to myself; I can access my messages using firefox on both computers, or even paste into a comment on dev (as <ecode>)
[19:40:39] <janrinok> noted thx
[19:43:56] <Bytram_oldlappy> is now on dev as a comment by an AC
[19:43:57] <Bytram_oldlappy> ]brb
[19:45:27] <Bytram_oldlappy> back
[19:46:28] <Bytram_oldlappy> is it possible for you to enumerate the commands that you want me to issue? That way I can do that on both lappys if you are not around
[19:46:56] <Bytram_oldlappy> tthere was anothr fdisk command?
[19:47:23] <janrinok> we are going to do exactly the same on this machine with the exception that we will fdisk /dev/sdb AND NOT /dev/sda
[19:47:37] <Bytram_oldlappy> okay
[19:48:31] <janrinok> so open a terminal, sudo fdisk /dev/sdb, press p [Enter], hightlight and copy it to a file which you can save anywhere on the computer - it is your computer!
[19:48:35] <Bytram_oldlappy> gak! Screen saver kicked in on new lappy... won;t let me back in
[19:49:20] <Bytram_oldlappy> I set it for no pwd needed for screen saver, but it
[19:49:55] <Bytram_oldlappy> just blinks on, shows the bionic beaver for abut 30 seconds, and no matter what I type, seems to insist on ignoring me.
[19:50:02] <Bytram_oldlappy> okay
[19:50:15] <Bytram_oldlappy> i dunno but now iT'S BACK!
[19:51:01] <janrinok> ok, have you seen what I asked you to do ^^^
[19:51:15] <Bytram_oldlappy> I should prolly attach the dupe win drive
[19:51:49] <janrinok> yes, I asked for that back up the page - it would help as we are trying to read that drive as /dev/sdb
[19:52:13] <Bytram_oldlappy> sorry, type on this lappy is tiny...I missed ot
[19:52:15] <Bytram_oldlappy> *it
[19:54:53] <Bytram_oldlappy> okayy, drive is vonnected
[19:55:10] <janrinok> so open a terminal, sudo fdisk /dev/sdb, press p [Enter], hightlight and copy it to a file which you can save anywhere on the computer - it is your computer!
[19:55:56] <Bytram_oldlappy> confirmed thst it IS sdb (only NTFS fs)
[19:56:07] <Bytram_oldlappy> on sd1/sdb
[19:56:14] <janrinok> correct - it is the cloned drive
[19:56:40] <janrinok> on /dev/sdb Partitioin is sdb1
[19:56:44] <Bytram_oldlappy> yep, just being overly careful... now bck to fdisk?
[19:57:33] <janrinok> have you pressed p [enter] and got the print of the disk parameters?
[19:58:04] <Bytram_oldlappy> just about to
[19:58:57] <Bytram_oldlappy> wants my pwd!
[19:59:17] <Bytram_oldlappy> got it
[19:59:21] <janrinok> it will because you are asking for sudo - which is normal on an installed machine
[19:59:47] <janrinok> the live disk doesn't know what your password will be...
[20:00:28] <Bytram_Unew> yep
[20:00:34] <janrinok> your sudo access will time out in 5 minutes - and if you ask for sudo after that period then it will ask for your password again as a security measure
[20:00:46] <Bytram_Unew> good to know!
[20:01:08] <janrinok> have you saved the drive parameters to a file and saved the file?
[20:02:05] <Bytram_Unew> wporking on it
[20:02:55] <Bytram_Unew> should I bring the USB drive over and save it to that?
[20:03:11] <janrinok> if you can't write to it is there any point?
[20:03:41] <Bytram_Unew> can't write to... installed ubuntu drive/
[20:03:44] <Bytram_Unew> ?
[20:04:17] <janrinok> what directory are you writing to>
[20:04:34] <janrinok> to?
[20:05:34] <Bytram_oldlappy> I'd rathr avoid tossng files around on my new ubuntu install until I have a much bettr idea od what I am doing.
[20:05:34] <janrinok> it's your computer - you can write to your home area as you, or anywhere you like if your are sudo. Do not write to your external drive!
[20:06:03] <Bytram_oldlappy> oh, for sure!
[20:06:05] <janrinok> just save it to your home directoy
[20:06:23] <janrinok> that is what your home directory is for
[20:06:27] <Bytram_oldlappy> but not write it to the USB drive? so then both filews would be in same place for later comparson/
[20:06:54] <janrinok> you couldn't write to the thumb drive before - why should you be able to write to it now?
[20:08:08] <Bytram_oldlappy> oh, otua
[20:08:10] <janrinok> save it anywhere - admin-to-user msge to me, save it on dev, post it here, just save it somewhere
[20:08:22] <Bytram_oldlappy> oh, I must be moe tired than I thought. sorry!
[20:08:29] <Bytram_oldlappy> k
[20:09:46] <janrinok> it is very tiring just following instructions especially when you do not know the software or how it hangs together. You are also going a bit too quickly and you sometimes don't read what I have written. Np, it is the same for all of us
[20:11:49] <Bytram_Unew> admin-tp-user msg sent to me AND to you
[20:12:03] <janrinok> you should now have the data for each of the drives - the original and the clone. Some data will be different - the Disk Identifier is encoding in the drive I think
[20:13:00] <janrinok> but you need to compare the two copies and the data should essentially be identical, particularly for the partition - sdx1 where x is either a or b in your case
[20:14:21] <janrinok> message not received but no problem - I am running 15 minutes late and have to call it a day for today. If you can put up with me, I can help you again tomorrow!
[20:15:58] * Bytram_oldlappy admin msged it tome and to you on prod; havenot yet seen it arriv.... ISTR every 5(?) or (10) minutes
[20:16:35] <Bytram_oldlappy> I so appreciate your help! Have a great night!
[20:16:39] <janrinok> ok but gtg - back read the last few lines from me. I'll see you tomorrow
[20:16:52] <janrinok> time for my bed....
[20:17:13] <Bytram_oldlappy> admin-to-user msg arrivd for me
[20:17:33] <janrinok> me too! laters!
[20:17:53] <Bytram_oldlappy> laters!
[20:22:28] <Bytram_oldlappy> .
[20:22:28] <Bytram_oldlappy> .
[20:23:07] * Bytram_oldlappy is about to shut down his old lappy that is booted from an Ubuntu 18.04.1 DVD
[20:23:08] <Bytram_oldlappy> .
[20:23:10] <Bytram_oldlappy> ..
[20:25:01] <Bytram_oldlappy> NOTE: this marks the SECOND DAY.. and since I am booted w/ ubuntu, that means that none of my local hexchat logs on windows are getting updated.
[20:25:03] <Bytram_oldlappy> .
[20:25:24] <Bytram_oldlappy> Need to gather from Loggie's collec tion =)
[20:25:26] <Bytram_oldlappy> later
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[20:30:22] <janrinok> Bytram ping
[20:30:40] * janrinok is now in bed but has just had an idea
[20:31:04] <chromas> dmesg?
[20:32:51] <janrinok> Bytram. The disks are identical. So it is not a disk copy problem. Check carefully that the bios settings on both machines are set the the same (or equivalents). Alternatively - or additionally - you should be able to put either drive into the old lappy and they should boot.
[20:34:53] <janrinok> if both drives work in the old lappy, it might indicate that it is a driver problem - we can look at that tomorrow. If the clone drive does NOT work in the old lappy, then it is MS who are doing something naughty on the drive - but I don't think that this is the case.
[20:35:47] <janrinok> I suspect it is a bios setting - one is, say, using UEFI and the other is using BIOS ....
[20:36:10] <janrinok> Get some rest - we do this for fun!!!
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