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[16:15:31] <takyon> ok
[16:15:31] <Bytram> takyon: hi
[16:15:36] <takyon> too much talk in there
[16:15:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:15:49] <takyon> I see 4 colored portions, you want only 3 right?
[16:15:52] <mrcoolbp> oh he's already here
[16:15:52] <Bytram> sounds like a bunch of old ladies clacking away
[16:15:58] <Bytram> 3 yes
[16:16:05] <takyon> alright
[16:16:42] <Bytram> like i said, I'm open to suggestions. ALSO, need to make it straightforward as to how to update it as more funds come in.
[16:16:50] <mrcoolbp> yeah please
[16:16:51] <takyon> well
[16:16:57] <takyon> I'd suggest changing width:28%
[16:16:59] <takyon> to 50%
[16:17:06] <mrcoolbp> agree
[16:17:23] <takyon> now I have THREE portions
[16:17:55] <takyon> now do we want this to be proportional?
[16:18:13] <takyon> 2000/3000 is not 50%, where the blue portion ends
[16:18:17] <Bytram> 2000 / 3000 is the first bar
[16:18:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:18:25] <Bytram> s/b 66% rigfht?
[16:18:32] <takyon> so you want it to end at 50% or 66%
[16:18:34] <takyon> either one can be done
[16:18:57] <mrcoolbp> BTW guys it will be $2000/$2000
[16:19:02] <mrcoolbp> based on the writeup
[16:19:18] <takyon> 2000/4000
[16:19:20] <Bytram> that sounds confusing to me.
[16:19:22] <mrcoolbp> sure
[16:19:27] <Bytram> yea, what takyon said
[16:19:31] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[16:19:36] <takyon> well that makes this infinitely easier
[16:19:40] <Bytram> many folks know we HAD a goal of $2000
[16:19:52] <takyon> although in the future this kind of manual mucking around with the CSS could be automated
[16:20:00] <Bytram> seeing a goal of $2000 -- is unclear if that's 2k more or the same first 2k
[16:20:04] <mrcoolbp> that would be great takyon
[16:20:12] <Bytram> no argument here
[16:20:20] <takyon> that's what the pretty colors are for
[16:20:39] <Bytram> I just changed the 50% to 67%
[16:21:13] <takyon> so I'm going to suggest two percentages on one bar
[16:21:21] <takyon> a 100% and a X% for the stretch goal
[16:21:45] <Bytram> hmmm, I think I know where you are going... I like it.
[16:22:09] <Bytram> instead of a multi-part bar; have two bars that are side-by-side
[16:22:50] <Bytram> is that it?
[16:23:04] <takyon> kinda
[16:23:16] <takyon> I want both your versions merged
[16:24:03] <Bytram> [original-goal-bar-chart-at-100%][stretch-ggoal-bar-chart]
[16:24:08] <Bytram> or...
[16:24:13] <Bytram> [original-goal-bar-chart-at-100%]
[16:24:13] <Bytram> [stretch-ggoal-bar-chart]
[16:24:22] <Bytram> or..
[16:24:25] <Bytram> something else?
[16:24:39] <takyon> I want the 100% aligned at the left
[16:24:53] <takyon> and the X% aligned to the right of the 50% mark
[16:25:05] <Bytram> sry, justlost me
[16:25:41] <Bytram> if you do a 'view source' can you see the html/css ??
[16:26:10] <takyon> yeah I'm mucking around with it now in the html inspector
[16:26:27] <Bytram> k
[16:27:05] <Bytram> yanno, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of having TWO, separate indicators.
[16:27:17] <Bytram> i need to take a break... back in a few minutes
[16:27:24] <Bytram> really appreciate the help!
[16:27:38] <takyon> it would certainly be easier to build 2 separate
[16:28:00] <takyon> that's probably the smart move
[16:32:33] <Bytram> k, let me give it a quick go of it
[16:33:54] <takyon> I think it should be
[16:33:57] <takyon> Funding Goal
[16:33:59] <takyon> 100% br
[16:34:02] <takyon> *bar
[16:34:07] <takyon> Stretch Goal
[16:34:09] <takyon> Progress so far
[16:34:15] <takyon> X% bar
[16:35:08] <Bytram> that was a quick hack
[16:35:33] <Bytram> oooh! looks like it worked!
[16:36:10] <takyon> oh yeah
[16:36:13] <Bytram> thihnk I'm gonna move an <hr>
[16:36:21] <takyon> way easier than putting all those bars together
[16:36:32] <Bytram> K.I.S.S.!!
[16:36:36] <takyon> I was choking on some floats
[16:38:29] <Bytram> same here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:38:35] <takyon> the stretch funding goal link should link to the Meta post
[16:38:45] <takyon> since there's nothing about a stretch in the finances page
[16:39:19] <Bytram> yup, I'd noticed that but wasn't sure where to point it -- good catch!
[16:39:48] <Bytram> can't do it on dev atm... oh, wait. =)
[16:40:00] <takyon> maybe wait for it to go live
[16:40:03] <mrcoolbp> looking good guys, though I dislike that particular blue for some reason, something more neutral would be better
[16:40:07] <mrcoolbp> even a lighter blue
[16:40:11] <Bytram> can do
[16:40:20] <takyon> let me play with the color
[16:40:23] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[16:40:27] <takyon> let's see how good firefox's inspector is
[16:41:17] <takyon> how do we feel about red #F00? no good?
[16:41:46] <takyon> rgb(255, 148, 148)
[16:42:04] <Bytram> lightskyblue
[16:42:23] <Bytram> #87CEFA
[16:42:32] <takyon> looks ok i guess
[16:42:42] <takyon> better than the dark blue
[16:42:49] <Bytram> agreed!
[16:43:02] <takyon> try rgb(255, 148, 148)
[16:43:02] <Bytram> for that matter, the green is kinda dark, too
[16:44:32] <Bytram> ouch!
[16:44:37] <Bytram> that didn't work so well
[16:44:41] <Bytram> chartreuse--
[16:44:56] <takyon> mytrab nooooo
[16:45:46] <takyon> rgb(91, 183, 0) for the green?
[16:46:14] <Bytram> #32CD32
[16:46:42] <takyon> looks the same
[16:47:02] <Bytram> your rgb(255, 148, 148) looks like a 'mauve'
[16:47:21] <takyon> it doesn't look as good next to the lighter green
[16:47:21] <Bytram> different, but not unpleasant. it's growing on me
[16:47:58] <takyon> my red/mauve and #32CD32 that is
[16:48:54] <Bytram> the white text is not looking so good, now
[16:49:25] <takyon> still too faint
[16:49:46] <takyon> talk to me. which two (general) colors do you want. green and light blue? green and mauve?
[16:49:55] <mrcoolbp> FYI: we think the story is ready, set to go out in 1.5 hours
[16:50:13] <takyon> we can change the white text to black if necessary
[16:50:17] <Bytram> well, I was liking the blue, but your mauve was growing on me... and then I just now realized something...
[16:50:22] <Bytram> colorblindness
[16:50:28] <Bytram> predominately affects men
[16:50:36] <Bytram> should keep that in mind, too
[16:50:37] <takyon> there are no men on soylentnews
[16:50:42] <Bytram> ROFL!
[16:51:00] <takyon> ok
[16:51:02] <Bytram> ISTR that red is problematic
[16:51:12] <Bytram> could be way off on that one.
[16:51:21] <takyon> yeah its the plot of andromeda strain
[16:51:43] <Bytram> orly? I thought it was seizures
[16:51:50] <takyon> idk. i saw the movie
[16:51:54] <mrcoolbp> I think the White on Green looks fine on prod
[16:52:13] * takyon looks at prod
[16:52:16] <Bytram> good point... changing it back
[16:52:21] <takyon> it's all green!
[16:52:31] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:52:36] <takyon> oh
[16:52:39] <takyon> you meant the text
[16:52:58] <takyon> I'm in VT100 so it stands out anyway in a sea of black
[16:53:16] <Bytram> urk! I forgot about different themes!
[16:53:17] <takyon> I think the inside of the bar needs more padding
[16:54:04] <Bytram> I just made the bars a little bit taller; 12px instead of 10px
[16:54:53] <cmn32480> bytram - can you make the text be centered in the bar, or match in size?
[16:54:57] <Bytram> am trying something on the base goal: bold text for hte text
[16:55:26] <Bytram> better... hold on whiile I change the stretch goal percent text
[16:55:34] <takyon> cmn what r u talking about
[16:55:56] <Bytram> take a look now
[16:56:03] <takyon> it uses a -4px offset to align it "in the center" right now
[16:56:22] <takyon> only one of the two bars has bold text btw
[16:56:45] <Bytram> I only tried one at first; both should have it now
[16:57:50] <Bytram> that mauve is not really working for me... how about 'deepskyblue' ?? #00BFFF
[16:58:01] <takyon> still hard to read that white on light green
[16:58:21] <cmn32480> it was easier without the bold, I think
[16:59:02] <Bytram> maybe a darker green?
[16:59:22] <cmn32480> yes, please.
[16:59:27] <Bytram> KISS, right.
[16:59:28] <takyon> rgb(36, 162, 36) and #00BFFF
[16:59:38] <takyon> that's a darker green on the left
[16:59:58] <Bytram> I just changed the first one to 'green'
[17:00:00] <takyon> the blue symbolizes "we're feeling blue for cash"
[17:00:13] <cmn32480> much beetter
[17:00:20] <Bytram> 'green' is what we had had on prod
[17:00:42] <takyon> change the second one to my two colors
[17:00:43] <Bytram> and now the other...
[17:00:44] <cmn32480> much easier on the eyes
[17:00:46] <takyon> keep the frist one green
[17:02:25] * Bytram just made a backup of what we have now in a local file
[17:02:40] <cmn32480> the contrast between the pink and green in the top bar is good.
[17:02:41] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: backup prod too while your at it
[17:02:55] <Bytram> great idea... just a minute
[17:03:26] <mrcoolbp> we should ideally make the new "bar" go live at the same time as the story
[17:03:31] <Bytram> just changed the 'mauve' to 'skyblue'
[17:03:32] <takyon> the mauve and dark green would probably be sufficient for the colorblind
[17:03:42] <takyon> since one of them is light and the other is dark
[17:03:47] <takyon> but I am no optometrist
[17:03:52] <Bytram> nor am i
[17:03:59] <mrcoolbp> I like that
[17:04:01] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:04:18] <cmn32480> bytram - can you vertically center the percentage in the bar? or are we stuck with it at the top?
[17:04:18] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: with the 'green' and 'skyblue' ??
[17:04:22] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[17:04:34] <mrcoolbp> nice work guys
[17:04:53] <takyon> he's talking about mauve
[17:05:01] <takyon> since that's what is there when i refresh it
[17:05:10] <cmn32480> Ctrl-F5
[17:05:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: looks really close to me; maybe off by one pixel
[17:05:18] <cmn32480> the skyblue looks nice
[17:05:22] <takyon> oh
[17:05:35] <takyon> there's enough contrast now with this blue and green
[17:05:48] <cmn32480> ok
[17:06:03] <cmn32480> mine looks more significant, but it coudl jsut be the size of the monitor I am using
[17:06:04] <takyon> I don't think we can vertically center the text the same in all browsers with that manual amount
[17:06:15] <Bytram> hmm, negative values. changing:
[17:06:16] <Bytram> <span style="position:relative;top:-4px;font-size:10px;color:white;font-weight:bold;">100%</span>
[17:06:18] <Bytram> to be:
[17:06:23] <Bytram> <span style="position:relative;top:-3px;font-size:10px;color:white;font-weight:bold;">100%</span>
[17:06:40] * Bytram hits save
[17:06:48] <cmn32480> thje top one!
[17:06:54] <cmn32480> that's what I was talking about
[17:06:57] <cmn32480> NICE!
[17:07:22] <Bytram> now, to me, it seems to be a little bit too low
[17:07:38] <Bytram> but, that does look a bit better, too
[17:07:39] <cmn32480> Pale Moon?
[17:07:46] <takyon> yeah it loosk better
[17:07:50] <takyon> even if it is "low"
[17:07:56] <cmn32480> booting up FF
[17:08:00] <takyon> which is what you'd get by splitting an odd number of pixels in half
[17:08:19] * Bytram just changfed the 12% to 13% in top
[17:08:31] <takyon> old: http://puu.sh
[17:08:33] <Bytram> Ta Dah!
[17:08:45] <cmn32480> in chrome that look s perfect, in FF it looks low
[17:08:50] <takyon> new: http://puu.sh
[17:09:02] <takyon> these 2 screens are in firefox
[17:09:06] <takyon> still think new looks better
[17:09:23] <cmn32480> better to have the percentage closer to the line at the bottom than the top
[17:09:31] * Bytram is using Pale Moon 25.7.3 (x86)
[17:09:39] <Bytram> to me, it looks perfectly centered vertically
[17:09:50] <Bytram> btw, I am using the default site theme (Red)
[17:10:22] <cmn32480> IE shows same as FF
[17:10:29] * Bytram hits Ctrl-+ a half dozen times and it looks perfect
[17:10:53] <Bytram> that was on Win 7 Pro, btw
[17:10:56] * Bytram launches Opera
[17:11:07] <cmn32480> set them both to what the top bar is, maybe?
[17:11:14] <Bytram> they should be the same, now
[17:11:18] <Bytram> hit refresh
[17:11:34] <cmn32480> they are. I didn't refresh
[17:12:58] <Bytram> looks just a little on the high side on opera ( 32.0.1948.69 / Stable / Windows 7 64-bit (WoW64) )
[17:14:53] <Bytram> I'm getting the feeling that one or another browser is gonna be just enough different that it's not gonna work the same for everyone.
[17:15:13] <Bytram> can we call this one 'good enough'?
[17:15:14] <cmn32480> I tend to agree.
[17:15:20] <cmn32480> I'm thinking good enouhg?
[17:15:26] <takyon> <takyon> I don't think we can vertically center the text the same in all browsers with that manual amount
[17:15:29] <takyon> yes
[17:15:52] <cmn32480> ^^ he was right
[17:15:54] <Bytram> hmmm, text-align: center; (or is that for horizontal)
[17:16:10] <Bytram> vertical-align: middle;
[17:16:38] <cmn32480> if you are still on dev, try it after making a backup of what you currently have
[17:16:51] <takyon> vertical-align: middle; is a dangerous companion
[17:17:01] <Bytram> how so?
[17:17:16] <takyon> pixels
[17:17:41] <takyon> the box model slightly differs in the browsers
[17:17:54] <takyon> although when you think about it the number of rendering engines has collapsed
[17:18:18] <Bytram> and we've got users going back to absolutely ancient browsers
[17:18:47] <takyon> soylentnews user stats?
[17:18:50] <Bytram> but, forward-thinking-wise, I'd lean towards using the css that best describes what we are trying to accomplish
[17:19:39] <Bytram> stats? no. from what I'd heard is all.
[17:19:43] <takyon> so about the bars
[17:19:49] <Bytram> I've been known to launch the site in lynx
[17:19:50] <takyon> you have to manually alter them, right?
[17:20:02] <Bytram> you mean the lengths?
[17:20:06] <Bytram> that's just a % value
[17:20:07] <takyon> yes
[17:20:14] <mrcoolbp> guys if it's "good enough" lets go live on prod and "fast-foward" the story?
[17:20:37] * mrcoolbp updated the wiki finance pages structure a bit
[17:20:42] * Bytram hasn't finished proofing the story
[17:20:48] <mrcoolbp> ah okay
[17:21:01] <Bytram> when I looked others were in there so I stepped back to work on the graphs.
[17:21:04] <cmn32480> story is currently set to go out in 1h9m
[17:21:05] <Bytram> which reminds me
[17:21:16] * Bytram goes to get a copy of prod's site_news block for archiving
[17:22:21] <Bytram> saved
[17:22:54] * Bytram hits refresh on the stretch goal story
[17:24:28] <Bytram> dont' worry ... spinning up more servers
[17:24:42] <Bytram> and not for more servers
[17:25:01] <takyon> tape servers
[17:25:37] <Bytram> as soon as someone says "Don't worry" -- I start to worry.
[17:25:38] <Bytram> =)
[17:28:37] <mrcoolbp> I was trying to make a joke out of it
[17:28:40] <mrcoolbp> feel free to change it
[17:29:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:29:59] <Bytram> sry, I have my QA hat on, so I tend to get blunt in my comments -- potential problem edge detector at 200% -- black-or-white thinking in effect. Tends to come out sideways, I apologize.
[17:30:51] <mrcoolbp> don't, I appreciate all the input!
[17:32:15] <Bytram> starting with some good stuff -- really helps.
[17:32:35] <Bytram> an idea : "as well as open up the opportunity to really improve and expand on what we are trying to do here"
[17:32:43] <Bytram> maybe link that to the SN maifesto?
[17:32:57] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:45] <mrcoolbp> yeah go for it!
[17:36:51] <Bytram> nah, that was before we became a PBC -- those documents are the true statement of our mission
[17:37:39] <Bytram> ok, made some stylistic / wording / paragraph changes but hoe I kept the overall tone the same. take a look.
[17:38:00] <Bytram> s/hoe/hope/
[17:39:20] <mrcoolbp> looking
[17:40:36] <Bytram> tanx
[17:41:48] * mrcoolbp likes it
[17:42:32] * Bytram smiles
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