#governance | Logs for 2024-03-14
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[00:48:39] <schestowitz[TR]> The "SN Law": if over x% of energy is spent feeding the troll, the site will be associated only with trolling
[00:49:31] <schestowitz[TR]> Keeping posting good stories, curating material etc. This is what trolling is meant to interfere with.
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[06:24:39] <aristarchus> The sabotage by janrinok was noticed by most of the SoylentNews community. There are consequences for such bad behavior. Ask me, I know.
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[10:02:05] <Ingar> which brings us back to why I've put him on ignore
[10:05:42] <schestowitz[TR]> SN's s/n ratio is bad atm
[10:05:47] <schestowitz[TR]> most messages are not signal
[10:05:55] <schestowitz[TR]> in IRC
[10:06:11] <schestowitz[TR]> the main channel was like that anyway
[10:06:25] <schestowitz[TR]> IME, this is exactly what the trolls want
[10:08:09] <schestowitz[TR]> troll [n.]: someone who can say one small thing to get a comm channel off track
[10:08:29] <schestowitz[TR]> and everyone feeding the provocation or fighting one another
[10:08:37] <schestowitz[TR]> this is why you need "voice" system
[10:08:43] <schestowitz[TR]> stop it from even starting
[10:20:50] <janrinok> we need this channel open to EVERYBODY - not only those with accounts.
[10:51:04] <fab23> schestowitz[TR]: it is not worth to discuss about moderation in the channel or not as it takes more time resources then the issue itself does cause. As janrinok says it has to stay open, which I also think is the right thing to do. Even when not arround, as this and the main channel have public log files on https://logs.sylnt.us it will be read and then later on mention again. So best
[10:51:06] <fab23> option really is just ignoring and not talking about.
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[14:09:33] <Ingar> janrinok: the solution is to give voice to everyone on the channel by default, so it can be taken away
[14:26:28] <janrinok> but all that happens is that people log out and log in with another name. We end up playing wackamole. I have not idea what he is saying - I have him on 'ignore'.
[14:27:09] <janrinok> We cannot have staff on here 24/7
[14:36:51] <fab23> Ingar: to give voice by default you need to have a bot in here doing that.
[14:38:12] <fab23> hm, maybe the channel could be configured to give voice to anybody, but then admin also can use /ban to silence someone already.
[14:39:17] <requerdanos> this channel is not even registered.
[14:39:18] <fab23> no advantage to voice everybody to remove it when need, as /ban also can do that.
[14:39:38] <janrinok> all that happens is that they log in with another name
[14:39:51] <fab23> and that as well :)
[14:40:15] <janrinok> which needs somebody here to do it
[14:40:16] <fab23> ok, with /ban you can do some magic to even catch it with a different nick
[14:40:38] <janrinok> if the name changes and the IP changes you are going entirely on content
[14:41:25] <janrinok> I have better things to do with my time
[14:41:39] <fab23> :)
[14:43:12] <janrinok> done it - he simply uses another name
[14:43:35] <janrinok> don't forget that he has over 400 usernames that he has created.
[14:44:17] <fab23> so just ignoring him is the best to do.
[14:44:46] <janrinok> exactly - he isn't worth the effort. What damage is he doing?
[15:08:42] <fab23> at least forcing us to talk about something. :)
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[17:11:55] <Ingar> he reminds me of another persisten troll I (we/our team) had to deal with many years ago
[17:12:21] <Ingar> and that one time I had 5K spambots on my wiki
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[19:33:38] <aristarchus> No committee meeting, then? No decision? No referendum? Tyranny!!!!
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