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[20:44:56] <kolie0> Hey my office has been shut down because of construction concerns for the past couple of days.
[20:45:14] <kolie0> Should get in tmw but I think they are going to be closed up through the end of the day.
[20:45:30] <requerdanos> Nice adventure for you.
[20:45:53] <kolie0> Yea it usually isn't a big deal, but my.desktop.is off
[20:46:02] <kolie0> So no file access.
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[20:49:30] <kolie0> Uhm re: the latest post on bylaws. Wasn't much changes I'd make direct. Per janrinoks discussion a general resolution should probably be adopted  by the board that specified that no access to any systems or data outside of specific need or duty should be granted to any person. Same with the staff policy.
[20:51:45] <kolie0> I'm not able to participate today I don't think but with no pre announced agenda items of note I'll catch up on any conversation here after.
[20:55:21] <cmn32480> Agenda is the standrad reports, old/new business
[20:55:37] <kolie0> So voting on the bylaws for adoption, voting for board, and any resolutions we'd like to pass being drafted are open items id imagine are the critical items at this time.
[20:56:02] <kolie0> To figure out not necessarily the governance board to do itself.
[20:57:01] * Deucalion checks in
[21:00:28] <cmn32480> OK... 2100... Role call... Any of you suckers here?
[21:00:43] * requerdanos is here
[21:00:44] * Deucalion shimmers
[21:01:00] <cmn32480> ok... so that makes 3 of us...
[21:01:08] * Fnord666 is here
[21:01:09] <cmn32480> we know JR will not be here
[21:01:48] <Deucalion> k0lie also said not attending
[21:02:23] <cmn32480> We'll give a few to see where we land
[21:02:49] <Deucalion> Sure. I'm just catching up on email. Happy to hang around a while
[21:02:55] * mechanicjay here
[21:03:03] <Fnord666> Woot!
[21:04:19] <cmn32480> OK. That makes 5.
[21:04:35] <kolie0> I'll read the scroll but I'm def not paying attn so count me out.
[21:04:35] <cmn32480> <sorry, still at work, and trying to multitask
[21:04:51] <Deucalion> I think we can expect janrinok going by today's mails
[21:05:22] <cmn32480> No. JR specifically said he would NOT be here.
[21:05:29] <Deucalion> Ooops - I see that now....
[21:05:35] <cmn32480> Anyway...
[21:05:46] <cmn32480> All aboard.... TOOT TOOT
[21:06:34] <cmn32480> First order of business: Old minutes
[21:06:40] <requerdanos> Previous minutes: https://soylentnews.org
[21:06:51] <cmn32480> Do we accept the previous minutes?
[21:06:58] <cmn32480> Thanks requerdanos!
[21:07:11] <cmn32480> I'll have to look at it
[21:07:23] <cmn32480> Sorry.. wrong window
[21:07:35] <cmn32480> Any objections to accepting the previous minutes
[21:07:43] <requerdanos> no objection from me.
[21:07:47] <Deucalion> Looks ok to me
[21:07:52] * Bytram is now here
[21:07:55] * Fnord666 fails to object
[21:08:19] <cmn32480> Motion to accpt?
[21:08:31] <cmn32480> Aye
[21:08:34] <Deucalion> 2nd
[21:08:36] <Deucalion> aye
[21:08:37] * mechanicjay aye
[21:08:40] <cmn32480> thank you
[21:08:48] <cmn32480> NExt up: reports
[21:09:21] <Fnord666> aye
[21:09:23] <requerdanos> if I may, janrinok emailed a statement to be presented during the meeting. It's brief. Let me know the right time to bring it up.
[21:09:23] <cmn32480> Who wants ot go first?
[21:09:31] <cmn32480> yes pleae
[21:09:45] <requerdanos> Statement from janrinok:
[21:09:47] <requerdanos> START
[21:09:47] <requerdanos> I have been instructed by doctors to rest for 2 months.
[21:09:47] <requerdanos> Due to ongoing medical issues and the additional confirmation today that I have Covid I intend to relinquish my place on the Governance Committee with immediate effect. I have no wish to attend meetings at a time that I would normally be resting.
[21:09:47] <requerdanos> I will take no further part in the process of helping k0lie write the Bylaws. I have given all the advice that I have to give. Whether he accepts it is entirely up to him.
[21:09:49] <requerdanos> I will remain on the site but fairly low key within my current limitations and capabilities.
[21:09:51] <requerdanos> END
[21:10:17] <Bytram> jan++
[21:12:13] <kolie0> Noted.
[21:12:16] <cmn32480> JR has my best wishes, and hopes for a speedy recovery.
[21:12:39] <kolie0> Yea speedy recovery bud.
[21:12:44] <requerdanos> Covid sucks, i hope he has a super-mild case and is better in a hurry.
[21:13:33] <cmn32480> OK. With that note, we are down 1 person permanently.
[21:13:34] * Bytram will try to assist Hubie in tthe interm
[21:14:51] <cmn32480> We can discuss this further in #editorial for how to help the editors
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[21:15:24] <Bytram> agreed!
[21:15:26] <cmn32480> Apologies.. I ahve a work call I have to take. BRB
[21:16:41] <cmn32480> Can someone take over for a few minutes, please?
[21:17:12] <Fnord666> I got it.
[21:17:25] <Fnord666> What old business do we have?
[21:18:42] <Deucalion> I think we're technically still at "Reports"
[21:18:54] <requerdanos> I would ask how close we are to approving the new bylaws, in the opinion of those committee members present.
[21:19:09] <requerdanos> Since I see that as an item on the critical path.
[21:19:10] <Fnord666> Ok, do we have any reports?
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[21:19:41] <kolie0> Yea we didn't have much in the way of changes on round 8. Pretty close to community approval time.
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[21:20:28] <Bytram> Latest version of the docs for the new site docs. Url, please??
[21:20:42] <Fnord666> I guess the next step would be to circulate the proposed bylaws to the community as a whole then for discussion.
[21:21:08] <requerdanos> The bylaws draft is in kolie's journal at https://soylentnews.org
[21:22:04] <requerdanos> I would say the community as a whole has technically been invited to discuss it the whole time, there has just been little participation.
[21:22:51] <kolie0> That or more or less it's good enough and not enough reason to stick your head up.
[21:22:53] <Fnord666> My guess is that most of the meta post s about the governance committee have been skipped by people.
[21:23:03] <Bytram> requerdanos++ tx!
[21:23:55] <Fnord666> Although the view counts are pretty high, so...
[21:24:03] <requerdanos> nevertheless, perhaps a meta post asking the community as a whole for discussion on the bylaws, perhaps on draft 9 when kolie gets it out?
[21:24:23] <kolie0> ++ a one off main post.
[21:24:24] <Deucalion> Should we specifically call it FINAL DRAFT?
[21:24:45] <Fnord666> I think they should be identified as the Proposed Bylaws specifically
[21:25:07] <Deucalion> The finality may bring some procrastinated input out of the woodwork
[21:25:33] <requerdanos> So is draft 9 ready to be called "The Proposed Bylaws"?
[21:25:46] <Fnord666> With additional discussion that there will be a new corporation formed under those bylaws.
[21:26:26] <kolie0> It's one set, id put it as a whole to community vote, and the individual squabbles over changes and governance, can be handled post adoption is my comments on that.
[21:26:27] <Fnord666> Should also set a timeline for discussion and amendment once we have received community feedback.
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[21:32:32] <cmn32480> Thanks for the flexibility. I'd say 10 days discussion from publication
[21:33:27] <cmn32480> or 7 days.
[21:33:51] <Deucalion> after months in the making that seems a tad short
[21:33:57] <cmn32480> then we move forward adn the next version woudl be discussed here, and finalized. Then ready to be put to a vote
[21:34:02] <requerdanos> or "until not the next governance committee meeting, but the one after that" however many days that works out to
[21:34:21] <Deucalion> 14 I'd imagine
[21:34:25] <cmn32480> OK... 14 days? 30 days pouts us at Christmas...
[21:34:29] <Bytram> Any limit on changes for bringing out a new version?
[21:34:55] <Bytram> s/for/befor/
[21:35:38] <kolie83> If there's massive diversion on if a change is going into the draft or not we can vote here as an agenda item.
[21:35:56] <requerdanos> sounds like a good plan to me.
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[21:36:41] <cmn32480> seems reasonable
[21:36:53] <Fnord666> sounds ok to me
[21:37:28] <Deucalion> kolie83 is not auth'd
[21:37:31] <cmn32480> We ned to set that up for publication as an article, NOT as a journal
[21:38:23] <Fnord666> good point
[21:39:06] <kolie83> Yea  not authed
[21:39:09] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[21:40:06] <cmn32480> kolie83, can you submit and one of the Editors will approve?
[21:40:14] <kolie83> Uhm sure!
[21:40:29] <cmn32480> I only ask since you already have all the text etc.]
[21:40:41] <kolie83> Yea all good
[21:41:13] <cmn32480> OK. So a 14 day discussion for the community. and the Eds will need to bump the story back to the front page periodically.
[21:41:15] <Bytram> HEY!
[21:41:35] <cmn32480> Bytram has the floor
[21:41:42] <Deucalion> kolie83 is not auth'd and is connecting via webirc - could be anyone. Just saying.
[21:42:17] <kolie83> It's me I can verify later. Using web on my phone I'm at a work lunch. Good to note I am not authed.
[21:42:19] <Bytram> Any doc being reviewd must include *ALL* "parts"
[21:43:29] <Bytram> It must have an entire copy accessible in ONE cpace.
[21:43:54] <kolie83> Every journal I've made has been the complete set at one point in time and will remain so.
[21:44:07] * Bytram cedes the floor
[21:45:02] <cmn32480> Thanks.
[21:45:11] <cmn32480> OK. Any other points on this?
[21:45:32] <cmn32480> Moving on.
[21:45:34] <Bytram> kolie83: Just meking sure that that is maintained. thank you.
[21:45:41] <cmn32480> Any old business?
[21:46:00] <Bytram> not me
[21:46:14] <cmn32480> Any New business?
[21:46:26] <mechanicjay> nothing from me
[21:46:32] <Deucalion> newp
[21:46:39] <Fnord666> nada
[21:46:45] <cmn32480> Any reasons we should not adjourn back to our regularly scheduled programming?
[21:46:56] <mechanicjay> narp
[21:47:12] <Deucalion> Next meeting?
[21:47:17] <cmn32480> Thank you all for being here... meeting adjourned.
[21:47:17] <Bytram> motion to adjourn
[21:47:27] <Deucalion> Wednesday Nov 22nd at 21:00 UTC ?
[21:47:30] <cmn32480> Same bat time, same bat channel next week
[21:47:31] <mechanicjay> I will be unavailable for the next meeting.
[21:47:48] <cmn32480> I'd actualyl suggest we may skip next week for the holiday
[21:48:09] <Deucalion> Where are you taking us?
[21:48:18] <Bytram> will someone pls 2nd my motion so we can go?
[21:48:20] <Fnord666> Good idea. I'll be up to my neck in neck, gizzard, etc.
[21:48:31] <cmn32480> if the story gets up in the relatively near future, we can give the 2 weeks time for discussion and comment and skip next week
[21:48:32] <requerdanos> we're adjourned bytram :)
[21:48:42] <Bytram> yay!
[21:48:43] <Deucalion> Wednesday Nov 29th at 21:00 UTC
[21:48:47] <Deucalion> ?
[21:48:49] <cmn32480> Agreed
[21:48:53] <requerdanos> got it.
[21:48:56] <mechanicjay> sounds good
[21:49:09] <Bytram> yipee!
[21:49:22] <Bytram> ahem.
[21:49:25] <Deucalion> .op
[21:49:36] <cmn32480> <gavels meeting into oblivion>
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[21:49:57] <Deucalion> ta
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