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[19:06:43] * janrinok has joined, thanks to 50m of cat5, a tethered laptop in a neighbour's house, and a 12 pack of beer for the neighbour!
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[20:14:37] * Deucalion is here
[20:15:02] <janrinok> he Deucalion
[20:15:10] <janrinok> er, hi!
[20:15:39] <janrinok> ... you've not been called out (yet...) then?!
[20:15:47] <Deucalion> sounds like you have connectivity issues from hell
[20:16:03] <Deucalion> Got home about an hour ago
[20:16:04] <janrinok> yeah - new router will be delivered on Monday
[20:17:01] <janrinok> and being an agreement, I cannot just attach my other routers to their line.
[20:18:28] <Deucalion> I'm trying to envisage your current set up. I'm imagining a spare laptop of yours tethered to a mobile hotspot on a phone over in the neighbour's place then that connection proxied via the cat5 to your abode... or am I over thinking it?
[20:18:49] <janrinok> nope, that is about it
[20:19:53] <Deucalion> I've had to do similar in the past for extended periods, turned out surprisingly reliable
[20:20:14] <janrinok> well, it seems to get better download speeds than my usual ADSL
[20:22:02] <Deucalion> been seeing a fair amount of 5G roll out around my parts. Getting ~160Mbps down ~80Mbps up speed test on a mobile phone seems surreal
[20:23:17] <janrinok> we've only recently got 4G in this part of France
[20:23:32] <Deucalion> 7 minutes prior to meeting let's get a show of hands from audioguy, Bytram, cmn32480, Deucalion, Fnord666, janrinok, not_kolie2, mechanicjay, requerdanos
[20:23:43] * janrinok is here
[20:23:50] <Deucalion> audioguy - apologies received
[20:24:02] <Deucalion> mechanicjay - apologies received
[20:24:40] <Deucalion> cmn32480 - apologies? not sure which 3 Fridays his comment referred to and if it include this one
[20:25:02] <cmn32480> nope. I'm on my way out the door for camping this weekend, next weekend, and the 4th weekend
[20:25:09] <janrinok> I don't think cmn is here either - who is chair?
[20:25:15] <Deucalion> OK, thanks cmn32480
[20:25:22] <cmn32480> <thumbs up>
[20:26:22] <janrinok> a few short of a quorum at the moment (again)
[20:26:43] <Deucalion> We need 5, I see 3 currently
[20:28:01] <janrinok> Do we give it 15 minutes like last week?
[20:28:41] <Deucalion> I have no problem with moving the meetings to any other day than Friday if more convenient.
[20:29:00] <janrinok> and everyday is about the same for me
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[20:30:23] <Deucalion> janrinok, I'd say 15 or 30 minutes, but then I'm just sitting around trying to cool down enough to eat something
[20:30:44] <Fnord666> I am here
[20:30:57] <janrinok> well I am lying on my bed - but it is hot tonight
[20:30:59] <Deucalion> Hi Fnord666
[20:31:06] <Fnord666> Hi Deucalion
[20:31:13] <janrinok> hi Fnord666
[20:31:19] <Fnord666> evening janrinok
[20:31:20] <Deucalion> We have 4 of 9. Do we have an agenda
[20:32:04] <janrinok> nothing seen in the journals...
[20:33:11] <janrinok> Doesn't having 5G round your parts itch a bit?
[20:33:11] <Fnord666> I have not seen an agenda for today.
[20:33:15] <Deucalion> mechanicjay took an action to report back on co-op research to the meeting, that'll have to pend
[20:34:09] <janrinok> Still not seen anything back from the board that looks anything like a legally binding response to our request of 2 weeks ago.
[20:36:44] <Deucalion> Shall I chair, start the meeting, then we wait to see if we have quorum by 21:00 UTC?
[20:37:08] <janrinok> be my guest
[20:37:29] <janrinok> or wait and see who turns up and then start the meeting?
[20:38:27] <Deucalion> The result will be the same, we still need to open the meeting, note present / apologies / absent, declare no quorum and close the meeting
[20:39:57] <Fnord666> true
[20:41:32] * janrinok says "I spy, with my little eye....."
[20:42:54] <Deucalion> Technically wouldn't players of that game need to be in the same physical location for it to be possible?
[20:43:32] <janrinok> picky picky picky....
[20:43:50] <Deucalion> always
[20:44:05] <janrinok> I am willing to bet that you can see a screen, just as I can see a screen.
[20:44:09] <Fnord666> tecnically correct is the best kind of correct???
[20:45:28] <janrinok> It doesn't matter when you start the meeting, the next person will not arrive until after we have adjourned it!
[20:45:59] <Deucalion> True that. Happened last time :D
[20:48:06] <Fnord666> hey, I'm here on time today.
[20:48:41] <Fnord666> :)
[20:49:11] <janrinok> you were working though, so I suppose we have to excuse you
[20:50:43] <Deucalion> OK - as this week's chair I call this meeting to order at 20:50 UTC on September 8th 2023.
[20:50:51] <Deucalion> First, roll call of committee members present. Apologies have been received in advance from audioguy and mechanicjay
[20:50:56] * Deucalion here
[20:51:01] * janrinok here
[20:51:26] <Fnord666> /me here
[20:51:33] * Fnord666 here
[20:51:39] <Deucalion> :)
[20:52:00] <Fnord666> stupid space bar placement on this keyboard....
[20:52:43] <Deucalion> cmn32480 ?
[20:52:56] <janrinok> he's gone camping already
[20:53:10] <Fnord666> Was not_kolie2 attending?
[20:53:39] <janrinok> not_kolie2, Ping
[20:54:20] <janrinok> looks like a 'nope'
[20:54:43] <Deucalion> PING Bytram, requerdanos
[20:54:58] <Deucalion> req isn't even in channel
[20:55:33] <janrinok> well, that sort of answers the next question...
[20:56:01] <Deucalion> which is?
[20:56:15] <janrinok> As long as I can stay online - I will write it up as Secretary
[20:57:21] <Deucalion> OK, thank you. I suspect it will be short and sweet as we are currently only 3.
[20:57:40] <janrinok> Deucalion, who are you talking to on meeting-discuss. I can only see half the conversation
[20:57:47] <Deucalion> ari
[20:57:51] <janrinok> ah
[20:58:05] <Fnord666> Too many people in your ignore list Jan?
[20:58:13] <Deucalion> Probably just the one
[20:58:22] <janrinok> Just the one I think
[20:58:43] <not_kolie2> I'm here.
[20:58:49] <Deucalion> Probably should suspend that during meetings at least withing #meeting-discuss
[20:58:55] <Deucalion> hi not_kolie2
[20:59:10] <Fnord666> That's 4 members present.
[20:59:13] <janrinok> still 1 short
[20:59:42] <Deucalion> Meeting has been called to order, we are currently 4 of 9. 2 apologies.
[21:00:19] <Deucalion> 5 more minutes then call it not quorum given we are now 30 minutes past scheduled meeting time?
[21:00:57] <janrinok> why wait?
[21:01:08] <Deucalion> The suspemse
[21:01:11] <Fnord666> Lol
[21:01:12] <Deucalion> The suspense
[21:01:30] <not_kolie2> I've been going back and forth with NC. Conversation is good and moving. Will probably have a lot more answers in a weeks time.
[21:01:54] <janrinok> will they be legally binding and answer the questions that we asked?
[21:02:48] <not_kolie2> How do you propose to make it legally binding when you have party to transfer to?
[21:03:11] <not_kolie2> no*
[21:03:26] <not_kolie2> The signed contract to transfer the shit is the legally binding contract.
[21:03:35] <janrinok> They KNOW how much they think they are owed. That is a fact - not a negotiable figure.
[21:03:54] <not_kolie2> That's not what I am referring to.
[21:03:58] <janrinok> so write the contract so we can see how much it will cost?
[21:04:33] <not_kolie2> Anyways will have more details on that next week most likely.
[21:05:17] <not_kolie2> How do we address staff accountability going forward. The models proposed by separatrix seemed to resolve that - yet it would appear his suggestions to include this language were met with resistance that " we are not trying to be a business "
[21:06:01] <not_kolie2> His proposal more or less creates a community lead / appointed board. That would have the community voiced and keeping the staff in line with community views.
[21:06:11] <janrinok> we have $1500 in the fund. That is all we can offer. If individuals want to make a donation to the fund (which might never actually be used for the purpose) then we could offer more.
[21:07:05] <janrinok> If you read it all I actually stated that we will probably need a board to that we can accept subscriptions and donations.
[21:07:37] <not_kolie2> I'm not sure what "it all" it is you are referring to.
[21:07:39] <janrinok> Deucalion, 5 mins gone
[21:07:52] <Deucalion> ack
[21:08:01] <not_kolie2> You need a legal entity to handle those things yes.
[21:08:17] <janrinok> kolie, l I am assuming the 'all' of the thing you are quoting to me.
[21:08:31] <Deucalion> Is this general discussion meant to form part of the meeting or are we just idling here?
[21:08:38] <janrinok> just idling
[21:08:39] <not_kolie2> It's governance chat.
[21:08:42] <Fnord666> Just idling really
[21:08:44] <Deucalion> ok
[21:09:11] <Fnord666> Minutes are mtg opened, finding no quorum present, meeting adjourned
[21:09:36] <Fnord666> No "official" business of the committee to be conducted.
[21:09:44] <janrinok> chair - do you want a proposal?
[21:10:42] <Fnord666> Next meeting will be when? Same time next week or should we consider a different time?
[21:11:23] <Deucalion> propose Next meeting - Friday 8th September 20:30 UTC subject to out of band discussion to move to a more convenient time.
[21:11:31] <janrinok> I suggest we canvas everybody for any changes
[21:11:42] <not_kolie2> "If you read it all I actually stated that we will probably need a board to that we can accept subscriptions and donations. " Can I get a copy of wherever that is so I can read it.
[21:11:43] <Fnord666> Sounds good.
[21:11:54] <Deucalion> propose Next meeting - Friday 15th September 20:30 UTC subject to out of band discussion to move to a more convenient time.
[21:11:57] <Deucalion> lol
[21:12:04] <Deucalion> any second pls
[21:12:07] <janrinok> seconded
[21:12:16] <Deucalion> all those in fabour
[21:12:20] * janrinok aye
[21:12:20] <Deucalion> favour
[21:12:24] * Deucalion aye
[21:12:47] <Fnord666> aye
[21:12:51] <Deucalion> carried
[21:13:04] <janrinok> have a good weekend everybody
[21:13:07] <not_kolie2> o/
[21:13:28] <Deucalion> Propose this meeting is not quorom and move to end the meeting at 21:13 UTC
[21:13:31] <Deucalion> scond pls
[21:13:38] <janrinok> seconded
[21:13:39] <Fnord666> second
[21:13:48] * Fnord666 aye
[21:13:50] <Deucalion> all those in favour of ending the meeting
[21:13:51] * janrinok aye
[21:13:53] * Deucalion aye
[21:13:58] <Deucalion> carried
[21:14:08] <Deucalion> Meeting is closed
[21:14:41] <Deucalion> Feel free to hang around to carry on discussions or over in #meeeting-discuss
[21:18:55] Deucalion changed topic of #governance to: SoylentNews Governance Committee - Next Meeting Friday Sept 15th 20:30 UTC | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed here https://logs.sylnt.us
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[21:28:48] <Bytram> I am here
[21:29:48] <Bytram> (Nasty thunderstorm just passed! Well, mostly.)
[21:29:54] <Deucalion> Hi Bytram - I think you have your timezone differential to UTC one hour out
[21:31:25] <Bytram> Hi! I *just* arrived. was there a meeting? I did not see an announcement this morning!?
[21:32:41] <Bytram> Scrollback suggests there WAS a meeting :/ Reading backscroll
[21:32:52] <Deucalion> I don't think there was an announcement made this week. But it was scheduled as usual for 20:30 UTC Friday.
[21:33:40] <Deucalion> The next meeting date / time is always in the Topic of this channel
[21:34:30] <Deucalion> Meeting was not quorum so was closed, same as last week. No matter, we had no agenda either.
[21:36:18] <Deucalion> I also found I make a terrible chair person :D
[21:44:03] <Bytram> Deucalion: So you've found a way to make things such that nobody wants you to chair?! :^)
[21:47:52] <Deucalion> Bytram, it wasn't deliberate, I just have no experience !
[21:48:46] <Deucalion> Someone had to call the meeting to order, declare it not quorom and close it so I volunteered.
[21:49:11] <Bytram> Deucalion: Sure, Sure! That's what they *always* say! :^)
[21:49:20] <Deucalion> sssh
[21:50:59] <Deucalion> Nice to see you Bytram, would be good to chat but sadly I need to get some sleep, I'm on my brutal on call work phase and I'm flat out knackered
[21:54:18] <Bytram> Deucalion: Understood! Take it easy and get some well-deserved shut-eye!
[21:55:45] <Deucalion> Bytram, thanks. Talk soon I hope. Night Night
[21:56:57] <Bytram> Deucalion: You're welcome; sleep fast!