#editorial | Logs for 2021-02-06

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[07:58:29] <janrinok> I thought that one of the reasons for the delay was to ensure that the queue couldn't be swamped by bots. If anyone can now use upstart at its maximum rate how long do you think it will be before someone abuses it?
[07:59:49] <chromas> the reskey delay is an anti-bot measure, for web bots
[08:00:19] <chromas> someone could abuse it, but in that case they can have the ol' irc banhammer
[08:35:47] <janrinok> correct me if I am wrong, but what would stop an anonymous bot from logging into IRC using multiple IPs and posting a couple (or more) stories before being banned?
[08:36:31] <janrinok> then it would simply change IPs and start again
[08:36:51] <chromas> nothing, but that was always true
[08:37:11] <janrinok> OK.... I was just thinking aloud, so to speak
[08:37:40] <chromas> so far the only ones to abuse the bot are our own ari and runaway :)
[08:37:52] <chromas> submitting junk
[08:38:21] <chromas> I could put in a check to make sure users are authed on irc or something
[08:38:27] <janrinok> I'm just looking at automating Arthur on my server to allow others to use it and I would prefer to solve such issues before I start bashing out code
[08:39:05] <chromas> You can put a limit in like MrPlow
[08:39:47] <janrinok> that seems the best solution as the Arthur account has the same privs that your bot has.
[08:39:55] <chromas> Mine doesn't have that limit because each sub is spun off as a separate thread that the main thread forgets about, so it doesn't really have a way to know there's another sub in progress
[08:40:30] <chromas> Does it? Bytram gave mine extra privs to see queued subs; it's higher privs than a normal user account has
[08:41:03] <janrinok> ah, I have interthread communication so I might look at a solution along those lines. There is no time-limit for Arthur but not sure know how that has been achieved.
[08:41:47] <janrinok> Yes I do - I have registered my API and therefore there is no time limiting imposed.
[08:42:13] <chromas> ah cool
[08:42:23] <chromas> I don't even know how to check seclev on the bot
[08:42:48] <chromas> Perhaps I don't have the privilege to look at the privilege :)
[08:58:22] <janrinok> Deleted old submissions (31 Jan)
[09:03:54] <janrinok> Deleted submissions "Thank-you for the story submission. It has been considered for publication by at least 3 editors. If an editor was going to have selected it, they would have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue. --JR"
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[14:06:02] * Bytram updates Beg-o-Meter
[14:06:28] <janrinok> Bytram !!!
[14:07:39] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[14:07:46] <Bytram> just a minute (or 2)
[14:07:49] <janrinok> k
[14:09:28] <Bytram> Beg-o-Meter is not up-to-date =)
[14:09:35] <Bytram> Beg-o-Meter is noW up-to-date =)
[14:09:49] <Bytram> janrinok: how's things?
[14:09:56] * Bytram has not read backscrool
[14:10:33] <janrinok> OK, things are a little better and S is much improved
[14:11:55] <Bytram> YAY for S
[14:12:43] <Bytram> Now it's YOUR turn! Hope the docs can help get things under control!
[14:13:40] <janrinok> that's unlikely to change in the short term, but I am managing
[14:13:52] <Bytram> chromas: janrinok: as for bots, IIRC (1) Being a subscriber helps with submission rate-limiting (2) privs help with access to pending stories and pending subs.
[14:14:33] <Bytram> urrrg, better than getting worse, but would prefer to hear they were getting much better!
[14:15:15] * Bytram checks bots' privs...
[14:15:29] <Bytram> need bot names on the site
[14:15:39] <Bytram> No "systemd" ???
[14:16:26] <Bytram> No "Arthur T. Knackerbracket" ??
[14:16:39] <Bytram> Doh!
[14:16:46] * Bytram looks at sybs queue
[14:16:55] <Bytram> upstart ....
[14:17:39] <Bytram> upstart (UID: 6666) has seclev == 100
[14:18:21] <Bytram> "upstart" (UID: 6666) has seclev == 100
[14:18:50] <Bytram> "Arthur T Knackerbracket" (UID: 6256) has seclev == 1
[14:19:45] <Bytram> janrinok: if you want/need seclev 100 for Arthur, just let me know. I'm on the screen right now. =)
[14:23:03] <janrinok> I don't think that I do. I intend to run it from my own server for anyone to use, but to submit stories direct from my server to the sub queue which I can do automatically now. My plan is to allow registered names unlimited submissions but to rate limit anonymous submissions to avoid anyone filling the queue with crap
[14:23:47] <janrinok> It is still only an idea and I haven't started working on anything other than a few minor bits of code to test my ideas.
[14:24:33] <Bytram> nod nod; if you need/want it changed at any time, just PM me. k?
[14:25:33] <janrinok> yes thanks. I'm just pondering how to ensure that registered users are who they say that they are but it is nothing that has to be solved today ....
[14:27:29] <janrinok> I've got a few bits of code that I have to work on to help S do things. She is now struggling with a mouse or keyboard...
[14:28:45] <Bytram> yes, there are *potential* problems, no doubt. My thoughts are that we've leave it open -- if/when it gets abused, the we'll deal with it then. Firmly, with clear actions, and a front-page story explaining who, what, and why.
[14:29:17] <Bytram> Am open to other ideas / perspectives
[14:30:42] <Bytram> there's prolly a site var about it, too. (There are hundreds(!) so if need be, we could add another one, if necessary).
[15:35:08] <Bytram> janrinok: Missed seeing this earlier; best of luck with making accommodations for {{{{ S }}}} !!!
[15:35:52] <Bytram> =g star trek original series computer voice
[15:35:53] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Majel Barrett - Wikipedia
[15:37:14] <Bytram> Voice samples from Majel Barrett would be *awesome*!
[15:37:43] <Bytram> =g "Majel Barrett" voice samples
[15:37:43] <systemd> https://www.trekbbs.com - Majel Barrett-Roddenberry To Play Computer Voice | Page 3 | The ...
[15:38:07] <Bytram> =g "Majel Barrett" voice samples download
[15:38:08] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Majel Barrett-Roddenberry - The voice of the computer - YouTube
[15:38:32] <Bytram> =g "Majel Barrett" "voice samples" "download"
[15:38:33] <systemd> https://www.technologizer.com - Rumor: Android's Answer to Siri is Coming Soon
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[17:18:41] <requerdanos> =cite https://www.nature.com
[17:18:42] <systemd> Journal Reference: Anne Fabricant, Geoffrey Z. Iwata, Sönke Scherzer, et al. Action potentials induce biomagnetic fields in carnivorous Venus flytrap plants [open], <cite>Scientific Reports</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-021-81114-w">10.1038/s41598-021-81114-w</a>)