#editorial | Logs for 2021-01-05

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[00:06:12] <mrpg> I have a ideapad slim 1 now. it's sooooooooo slow with w10. With linux booted off from a pendrive is better.
[00:06:51] <mrpg> amd a6 9220e should be snail instead of slim
[00:16:26] <Bytram> =asub https://www.sciencedaily.com
[00:16:30] <systemd> Submitting "Reawakened geyser does not foretell Yellowstone volcanic eruptions: Analysis of Steamboat Geyser also finds relationship between column height and reservoir depth"...
[00:16:34] <Bytram> mrpg: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:16:43] <Bytram> Happy New Year!!!!
[00:16:51] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Reawakened Geyser Does Not Foretell Yellowstone Volcanic Eruptions: Analysis of Steamboat Geyser Als" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:21:06] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.theguardian.com
[00:21:07] <systemd> ^ 03Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by starvation'
[00:22:49] <Bytram> mrpg: congratulations on publishing your 1,200th story! Woo Hoo!!!
[00:39:18] <mrpg> Hi thanks :-)
[00:40:05] <Bytram> mrpg: No, thank YOU!
[00:41:03] <Bytram> I don't know if you've met him yet, but requerdanos has joined the editorial team and has already made quite a contribution.
[00:41:28] <requerdanos> I got similar congratulations for publishing my 12th story!
[00:42:07] <Bytram> requerdanos!! Have you met mrpg?
[00:42:37] <requerdanos> Not socially, no.
[00:43:04] <Bytram> requerdanos: yeah, but he's got more zeroes than than you did, and that ain't for nuthin' =)
[00:44:04] <mrpg> hi nice to meet you virtually
[00:44:21] <Bytram> He'd been with the editorial team for years, and then had to take a back seat on the site after a move.
[00:44:22] <requerdanos> likewise, thanks.
[00:44:52] * Bytram misses mrpg's sense of humor
[00:45:36] <mrpg> why do you have an "at sign" are you god?
[00:45:59] <Bytram> My humor is, admittedly, quite dry, but mrpg's could be declared a fire hazard! ;^)
[00:46:08] <mrpg> hehe
[00:46:23] <Bytram> where do you see the @ at?
[00:46:35] <mrpg> in your nick here
[00:46:46] <mrpg> i have a plus you have an at
[00:46:52] <Bytram> .deop
[00:46:52] -!- mode/#editorial [-o Bytram] by Hephaestus
[00:46:57] <Bytram> look now
[00:47:11] <mrpg> a plus. just a meat bag now.
[00:47:33] <Bytram> =g large bags of mostly water
[00:47:34] <systemd> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com(episode) - Home Soil (episode) | Memory Alpha | Fandom
[00:47:48] <Bytram> =g "large bags of mostly water"
[00:47:48] <systemd> https://developer.apple.com - iBeacons and Interference | Apple Developer Forums
[00:48:57] <mrpg> apples are just water
[00:49:27] <Bytram> =g humans are "large bags of mostly water"
[00:49:28] <systemd> https://developer.apple.com - iBeacons and Interference | Apple Developer Forums
[00:49:38] <Bytram> =g humans are "large bags of mostly water" -apple.com
[00:49:39] <systemd> https://forum.cosmoquest.org - The dreaded 'bumpy headed alien'
[00:50:00] <Bytram> =g humans are large squishy bags of mostly water -apple.com
[00:50:01] <systemd> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com(episode) - Home Soil (episode) | Memory Alpha | Fandom
[00:50:22] <Bytram> =g humans are large squishy bags of mostly water -apple.com -"Home Soil"
[00:50:23] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Ugly giant bags of mostly water
[00:53:15] <mrpg> co2 and h2o
[00:54:41] * Bytram was struggling to remember the "mem"
[00:54:46] <Bytram> *meme
[01:00:56] <mrpg> An accurate description of humans, sir. You are over 90% water surrounded by a flexible container.
[01:01:08] <mrpg> wasn't it 70?
[01:01:43] <Bytram> Soon, the universal translator comes online by itself, saying "Ugly giant bags of mostly water!" Picard is confused, and Data indicates it is an accurate description of Human physiology; he points out that Humans are 90% water surrounded by a flexible container.
[01:02:15] <Bytram> Depends on how long it's been since the last time they took a leak?
[01:02:48] <mrpg> in space no one can hear you take a leak on your spacesuit
[01:02:56] <mrpg> only houston
[01:03:51] <Bytram> On? or in?
[01:04:21] <Bytram> heh!
[01:04:23] <Bytram> http://rss.cnn.com
[01:04:26] <systemd> ^ 03A drunk taxi passenger refused to wear a face mask -- so his driver took him to the police station ( https://www.cnn.com )
[01:04:45] <mrpg> wait: english class again. on direct contact. in inside ok in
[01:04:52] <Bytram> I suspect he left a rotten tip.
[01:05:01] <mrpg> HidrateSpark is the world's smartest water bottle that tracks your water intake, glows to remind you to drink, syncs via Bluetooth to our hydration app... wow
[01:05:55] <Bytram> Just the kind of information that I would like to see percolated through the cloud. Not!
[01:08:45] <mrpg> now much i drink and how much i pee
[01:10:10] <Bytram> thanks for the reminder... biab!
[01:10:11] <mrpg> ip
[01:10:27] <mrpg> iP from apple
[01:10:29] <Bytram> IPv4 or IPv6?
[01:11:10] <mrpg> v4, v6 for the sixth coronavirus in this century, say, 2060
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[01:13:32] <mrpg> you dont know when to drink water that why you need an app for that. at least thats what I got from their website.
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[01:31:24] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:31:25] <systemd> ^ 03Tanya Roberts declared alive, shortly after being declared dead ( https://www.cnet.com )
[01:31:37] <Bytram> =g tanya roberts
[01:31:38] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Tanya Roberts - Wikipedia
[01:36:29] <Bytram> =yt bring out your dead
[01:36:30] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Bring Out Your Dead (02:16; 237,457 views; 👍2,150 👎25)
[02:16:37] <requerdanos> I think you have a stray </a> in the zyxel router story but I don't know what it's supposed to look like
[02:21:52] <requerdanos> never mind
[02:23:11] <mrpg> ready? I can fix it
[02:23:30] <requerdanos> I already did :)
[02:23:48] <mrpg> ok good
[02:24:01] <mrpg> thumbs up
[02:24:23] <requerdanos> teamwork++ #as a certain person would say
[02:24:23] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 261
[02:28:21] <requerdanos> bytram, did you mean to spell "pendulum-swinngs" with two n's in the google union dept line? I left it in case it was some sort of artistic license or a reference I didn't get.
[02:32:10] <Bytram> requerdanos: no, I did not. good catch!
[02:32:46] <Bytram> now, if it were pundulum swings otoh ;)
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[02:35:46] <requerdanos> A meatier, more general question.
[02:35:56] <requerdanos> consider the phrase "Because it has been proven that gravitational waves (which are possibly everywhere in galaxy IC 10 [nasa.gov], above)"
[02:36:32] <Bytram> I think I know where thisis going...
[02:36:40] <requerdanos> stylistically that word above should be in the summary, yes, no?
[02:37:18] <Bytram> IIRC, I thought that was referring to a picture
[02:38:15] <requerdanos> yes, it refers to the picture at the top of TFA
[02:39:48] <requerdanos> I could see the arguments both for and against, which is why I am asking.
[02:43:28] <Bytram> how about replCING:
[02:43:32] <Bytram> Because it has been proven that gravitational waves (which are possibly everywhere in galaxy IC 10 [nasa.gov], above) are are bent
[02:43:36] <Bytram> with:
[02:44:01] <Bytram> Because it has been proven that gravitational waves [...] are bent
[02:44:21] * Bytram *just* noticed the "are are"
[02:44:55] <requerdanos> How about "Because it has been proven that gravitation waves [are] bent"
[02:45:51] <requerdanos> obviously without introducing my new spelling error of gravitational
[02:46:02] <Bytram> does that convey that text has been elided?
[02:46:42] <requerdanos> "[are]" says to me "something else is in the original but we are using 'are'"
[02:47:04] <Bytram> yes-ish
[02:47:06] <requerdanos> does it specifically convey elision? answer to that is above my pay grade.
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[02:47:34] <requerdanos> "Because it has been proven that gravitational waves... are... bent" specifically conveys ellision.
[02:47:50] <requerdanos> but is super-clunky-looking
[02:48:20] <chromas> Just put the whole thing in brackets :D
[02:48:34] <chromas> Then you can rewrite the whole sentence
[02:48:38] <Bytram> it's being adjacent to the large elision serves double duty. the [...] can replace both th troublesome phrase as well as one of the two ares
[02:49:36] <requerdanos> "Because it has been proven that gravitational waves [...] are bent" does in fact work, but isn't as pretty as using [are]
[02:50:45] <requerdanos> I am pushing for the [alternate text] method here because I like and use it, and if you say no, then I have to stop doing that.
[02:51:03] <chromas> at the very least, you could take out the duplicate "are" :)
[02:51:11] <Bytram> not as pretty, yes, but it is muc cleared (to me) that something has been removed.
[02:51:45] <Bytram> that's what we ARE talking about, but *how* to do so.
[02:52:26] <chromas> Ah. I haven't read the entire backscroll, so I assume you already considered a basic [sic]
[02:52:44] <Bytram> I would think that something as substantial as:
[02:52:48] <Bytram> (which are possibly everywhere in galaxy IC 10, above)
[02:53:31] <Bytram> being removed definitely needs an explicit indication of its omission
[02:54:37] <Bytram> now, if this were the original sentence:
[02:55:07] <Bytram> Because it has been proven that gravitational waves are are bent when they pass through or near these objects, dark energy might also have an effect on them.
[02:55:23] <Bytram> then I could see replacing it like:
[02:55:40] <Bytram> Because it has been proven that gravitational waves [are] bent when they pass through or near these objects, dark energy might also have an effect on them.
[02:55:49] <Bytram> or with:
[02:56:10] <Bytram> Because it has been proven that gravitational waves are are[sic] bent when they pass through or near these objects, dark energy might also have an effect on them.
[02:56:36] <chromas> That's what I'd go with but you guys have put so much thought into it
[02:56:41] <chromas> like, a lot of time
[02:56:45] <Bytram> the latter is a bit more of an in-your-face way to call out a mistake in the source
[02:57:05] <Bytram> the first is a bit more genteel, IMHO
[02:57:42] <Bytram> BUT, since we *are* removing:
[02:57:55] <Bytram> (which are possibly everywhere in galaxy IC 10, above)
[02:58:43] <Bytram> then I'd insert the [...] to mark its removal, and then... oh! doubled word?
[02:59:33] <Bytram> we'll be nice and lust let the [...] consume one of the "are"s and cal it good.
[03:00:58] <requerdanos> I need to use more ellipses in general, it seems.
[03:01:26] <Bytram> Now, that all said, I am not an English major. That's just from stuff I've picked up over the years. Mostly from reviewing specifications and documents for various computer programming projects I've worked on.
[03:02:01] <Bytram> Or. You. Could. Go. All. James. T. Kirk.
[03:02:13] <requerdanos> well, as EiC, the job of establishing style guidelines sort of falls naturally to you, and I will just follow 'whatever' you come up with.
[03:02:41] <requerdanos> In my understanding, as long as you are consistent and stick to your conventions, it almost doesn't matter in the final analysis what they are
[03:03:23] <Bytram> I'm open to other viewpoints, but it just seems to me that any removal of any signifcant amount needs to be called out explicitly to the reader.
[03:03:31] <requerdanos> I personally will cheerfully: "Here is something from paragraph A, [and] [o]h look, the end of paragraph C."
[03:03:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:03:43] <Bytram> =w elipsis
[03:03:44] <systemd> The ellipsis ..., . . ., or (in Unicode) …, also known informally as dot-dot-dot, is a series of (usually three) dots that indicates an intentional omission - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:04:10] * Bytram is about to dive into a rabbit hole
[03:05:38] <requerdanos> in the future, I will endeavor to shorten more like "Here is something from paragraph A, [...] [and] [o]h look, the end of paragraph C."
[03:05:58] <Bytram> :: chuckles ::
[03:06:35] <requerdanos> This is actually only the first question of two I had about this same article.
[03:08:14] <Bytram> "In news reporting, often put inside square brackets, it is used to indicate that a quotation has been condensed for space, brevity or relevance, as in "The President said that [...] he would not be satisfied", where the exact quotation was "The President said that, for as long as this situation continued, he would not be satisfied". "
[03:08:40] <Bytram> requerdanos: go ahead!
[03:09:36] <requerdanos> Since the journal reference is linked from within the text of the article, no need for a =cite at the bottom?
[03:10:28] <Bytram> Hmm,
[03:11:20] <Bytram> Generally, I prefer to remove the journal ref. from the article and let our =cite fill in for it.
[03:11:48] <Bytram> kind of depends on how it is presented in the original article
[03:12:06] <requerdanos> Well, the sentence is "“Gravitational waves can be used probe the nature of dark energy,” Jose Maria Ezquiaga, who coauthored a paper recently published in Physical Review Letters, told SYFY WIRE."
[03:12:29] <requerdanos> I would have replaced it with "“Gravitational waves can be used probe the nature of dark energy,” Jose Maria Ezquiaga [told] SYFY WIRE."
[03:12:42] <requerdanos> to get rid of the journal reference and move it to the bottom.
[03:12:48] <requerdanos> except now I have to work in ellipses. :)
[03:13:43] <requerdanos> hypothetically would this be ok? "“Gravitational waves can be used probe the nature of dark energy,” Jose Maria Ezquiaga [...] told SYFY WIRE."
[03:14:34] <requerdanos> you know, ignoring that the word "to" is missing between "used" and "probe"
[03:16:37] <Bytram> given how he reference is imbedded in the text, I would leave it as it, but I would still add our =cite text
[03:17:10] <Bytram> =cite https://journals.aps.org
[03:17:11] <systemd> Journal Reference: Jose María Ezquiaga, Miguel Zumalacárregui. Gravitational wave lensing beyond general relativity: Birefringence, echoes, and shadows [open], <cite>Physical Review D</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevD.102.124048">10.1103/PhysRevD.102.124048</a>)
[03:18:50] <requerdanos> shall I make these two conservative changes, the [...] in place of galaxy IC 10 and and, and add the =cite at bottom?
[03:19:50] <Bytram> [...] in place of: (which are possibly everywhere in galaxy IC 10, above) are
[03:20:26] <Bytram> and add the =cite, yes.
[03:20:44] <Bytram> Good, interesting questions!
[03:21:27] * Bytram gets out a cloth and some polishing compound as he doffs his thinking cap
[03:22:45] <requerdanos> now, I didn't insert the word [to] nor place a [sic] there.
[03:25:56] <Bytram> tell ya what. Can you please save your current changes so I can pop in and take a look?
[03:26:17] <requerdanos> done. sorry for all the time over what may prove to be a relatively low-interest article.
[03:27:00] <Bytram> all the better time to gnash things out...
[03:27:17] <Bytram> if we get something wrong fewer people will notice!
[03:27:26] <requerdanos> I just plan to ask style questions ideally once, and then apply what I learn thereafter.
[03:29:50] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:31:18] <requerdanos> I am not unmindful that we are sinking "like, a lot of time" into it, as a wise person once said
[03:31:21] <Bytram> do be aware that things have a way of getting complicated again a month or few later. Generally, it takes we three times in relatively "rapid" succession for things to stick for me.
[03:31:41] <Bytram> s/we/me/
[03:31:41] <SedBot> <Bytram> do be aware that things have a way of getting complicated again a month or few later. Generally, it takes me three times in relatively "rapid" succession for things to stick for me.
[03:32:27] <requerdanos> But anyway "Gravitational waves can be used probe the nature of dark energy" is clearly missing the word "to"
[03:32:31] <Bytram> "To really understand something, try explaining it to somebody else"
[03:32:52] <requerdanos> lol try explaining it to the over the phone or IRC, media with no visual cues
[03:33:10] * Bytram tries to reach out to a mime
[03:33:43] <Bytram> yes, you were right. pls add a [to]
[03:33:49] <requerdanos> ok.
[03:34:33] <Bytram> That's why we have folks 2nd stories; I missed that. Great catch!
[03:34:45] <Bytram> teamwork++
[03:34:46] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 262
[03:37:37] <requerdanos> Thanks for the time.
[03:45:02] <Bytram> my pleasure!
[03:45:52] <Bytram> think I'm gonna call it good enough or one day.
[03:46:07] <requerdanos> peace & sleep well.
[03:46:13] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
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[15:59:15] <Bytram> http://feeds.mashable.com
[15:59:16] <systemd> ^ 03A 15-inch FHD laptop with a juicy Ryzen 5 CPU just dropped to under $380 ( https://mashable.com )
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[18:59:19] <Bytram> =ashb https://www.news-medical.net
[19:00:30] <Bytram> =asub https://phys.org
[19:00:34] <systemd> Submitting "Imminent sudden stratospheric warming to occur, bringing increased risk of snow over coming weeks"...
[19:00:55] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Imminent Sudden Stratospheric Warming to Occur, Bringing Increased Risk of Snow Over Coming Weeks" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:01:05] <Bytram> =asub https://www.news-medical.net
[19:01:13] <Bytram> =asub https://www.techradar.com
[19:01:15] <systemd> Submitting "AMD overtakes Intel in desktop CPU market share for the first time in 15 years"...
[19:01:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03AMD Overtakes Intel in Desktop CPU Market Share for the First Time in 15 Years" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:04:32] <Bytram> =asub https://go.theregister.com
[19:04:34] <systemd> Submitting "Bug? No, Telegram exposing its users' precise location is a feature working as 'expected'"...
[19:04:51] <Bytram> =asub https://www.techradar.com
[19:04:53] <systemd> Submitting "Leading VPN service found to have major backdoor security hole"...
[19:04:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Bug? No, Telegram Exposing its Users' Precise Location is a Feature Working as 'Expected'" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:05:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Leading VPN Service Found to Have Major Backdoor Security Hole" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:06:47] <Bytram> =asub from the rev-it-up dept. https://www.cnet.com
[19:06:48] <systemd> Submitting "Mazda's rotary engine will return to the US with the MX-30 EV - Roadshow"...
[19:07:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Mazda's Rotary Engine Will Return to the US With the MX-30 EV - Roadshow" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:19:09] <Bytram> Well! That was... "fun". I saw mention of the H.G. Wells coin in #soylent... opened the story, the its referenced source, realized it needed more, went on a hunt, found more sources, added then in an editor's note to the story, hit update, closed that browser window, decided I might just as well push it out, and then could not find it in the submission queue!? Ruh Roh, Looked in the story queue and, sure enough, it was there --
[20:19:09] <Bytram> without the extra sources I'd found. Seems that I took long enough with my search that I was no longr shown as working on that submission!
[20:20:00] <Bytram> So, edited the story again, added the (now) 4 links as a "See also" set of links.
[20:20:04] <Bytram> Success1
[20:20:09] <Bytram> s/1/!/
[20:20:09] <SedBot> <Bytram> Success!
[20:22:18] <Bytram> =asub from the series-of-tubes debt. https://arstechnica.com
[20:22:20] <systemd> Submitting "Comcast data cap blasted by lawmakers as it expands into 12 more states"...
[20:22:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Comcast Data Cap Blasted by Lawmakers as It Expands Into 12 More States" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:22:54] <Bytram> =asub
[20:22:54] <systemd> Submit one or more links plus some text if you want
[20:29:18] <Bytram> =asubhttps://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/explainer-smallest-state-big-virus-challenge-75054820
[20:36:52] <requerdanos> story and its moral acknowledged.
[20:44:33] <Fnord666> or some other editor didn't look at the bottom of the page and notice that you were working on the same story.
[20:44:36] <Fnord666> mea culpa
[20:45:08] <Fnord666> whoops
[20:45:22] <Fnord666> I was too busy trying to come up with a clever dept line
[20:45:27] <requerdanos> alternate explanation considered. meditation commenced.
[20:45:46] <Bytram> Like I mentioned, I was off on my own for a while, so it could well have fallen outside the 30(?) minute window.
[20:46:09] <Fnord666> Is that the window size?
[20:47:10] <Fnord666> BY THE WAY the VPN vulnerability story is the ZyXEL vulnerability that we already ran a story about
[20:47:18] <Bytram> how long does it show since I was in the HG Wells story right now?
[20:47:25] <Bytram> k
[20:47:28] <Fnord666> 21 m
[20:48:00] <Fnord666> Dang autocorrect wants to turn btw into BY THE WAY. I need to fix that
[20:48:12] <Bytram> so > 20 minutes. I'd expect at least 25 min and prolly "gives up" if > 30 minutes.
[20:49:07] <Bytram> well, btw should be by the way, and BTW should be BUY THE WHEY!
[20:49:12] <Bytram> ;)
[20:49:35] <Fnord666> lol
[20:49:47] <Fnord666> not the curds?
[20:50:10] <Bytram> fwiw, I'd stay clear of the Kurds, too.
[20:50:10] <Fnord666> by the way how much does whey weigh?
[20:50:42] <Bytram> depends on how much you buy!
[20:50:51] <requerdanos> I was going to axe whey it at, but hereby decide not to.
[20:51:42] <requerdanos> I am showing you no longer in the story/no sessions
[20:52:03] <Fnord666> ditto
[20:52:34] <Fnord666> The window I looked at was a couple of minutes old, so 30 min sounds right
[20:52:53] <Bytram> what was the largest time stamp you remember seeing?
[20:53:05] <Fnord666> So if I don't actually buy whey, it doesn't weigh anything?
[20:53:25] <Fnord666> The 21 minutes. I didn't refresh the screen after that.
[20:53:36] <Bytram> k...
[20:54:17] <Bytram> let's ask for help... whereto? https://soylentnews.org
[20:54:18] <systemd> ^ 03Comcast Data Cap Blasted by Lawmakers as It Expands Into 12 More States: SoylentNews Submission
[20:55:08] <Bytram> hmmm, I don't see systemd in the list!?
[20:55:30] <requerdanos> showme https://soylentnews.org
[20:55:30] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[20:55:40] <requerdanos> upstart doesn't seem to be logged in
[20:55:50] <Fnord666> ok I just attached the story
[20:56:04] <Fnord666> submission I mean.
[20:57:08] <Bytram> upstart (aka systemd) *is* around, or it would not be providing the title for: https://soylentnews.org
[20:57:09] <systemd> ^ 03Leading VPN Service Found to Have Major Backdoor Security Hole: SoylentNews Submission
[20:57:48] <requerdanos> anyone can see a submission.
[20:58:16] <requerdanos> but you have to be logged in to see a story, which is why I tried the coin story
[20:58:30] <Bytram> let's try another: https://soylentnews.org
[20:58:31] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[20:59:22] <Fnord666> But you can't see who is in the story unless you are logged in and have the correct seclevel I believe
[20:59:32] <Bytram> and another: https://soylentnews.org
[20:59:33] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[21:00:26] <requerdanos> i bet if you submit a story and try that last again, it will work, as the bot has to log in to submit
[21:00:44] <requerdanos> won't bet much because I am guessing, but still
[21:01:50] <Bytram> hmmm. tried to look at user systemd but not found on the site?!
[21:02:01] <requerdanos> user systemd is named upstart
[21:02:20] <Bytram> =asub https://threatpost.com
[21:02:22] <systemd> Submitting "Telegram Triangulation Pinpoints Users’ Exact Locations"...
[21:02:27] <Fnord666> systemd is the bot's name on IRC. upstart is the user on SN
[21:02:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Telegram Triangulation Pinpoints Users’ Exact Locations" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:02:46] <Fnord666> What are we trying to see?
[21:02:54] <Bytram> just looking
[21:02:56] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:02:57] <systemd> ^ 03upstart - SoylentNews User
[21:02:59] <requerdanos> showme https://soylentnews.org
[21:03:00] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[21:03:07] <requerdanos> okay, I was wrong
[21:03:10] <Bytram> has 100-level privs
[21:03:22] <Fnord666> upstart uses the API to submit the story so I wouldn't expect too much.
[21:05:23] <Bytram> Interesting observation! But, even with the API, you have to login to submit a story ... well, I never did that, but to submit a comment or moderate one, I needed to have a cookie that had me loggen in.
[21:09:07] <Bytram> Fnord666: I see you at 14 minutes now
[21:10:56] <requerdanos> maybe upstart only shows up if chrom-as has recently done something interactively with that account
[21:11:48] <Bytram> interesting hypothesis
[21:12:39] <Bytram> I wonder, if there is such a thing and an hypothesis, then what about a hyperthesis?
[21:14:52] <Bytram> 19 minutes
[21:18:24] <Bytram> 23 minutes
[21:20:27] <requerdanos> 25
[21:21:09] <Bytram> 26
[21:22:05] <Bytram> 27
[21:22:56] <requerdanos> 28
[21:23:28] <Bytram> so, definitely > 25 minutes
[21:23:39] <Bytram> 28
[21:23:52] <requerdanos> 29
[21:24:07] <Bytram> yes, 29
[21:24:53] <requerdanos> 30
[21:25:04] <Bytram> 30
[21:25:39] <Bytram> gone
[21:26:16] <requerdanos> yep, poof
[21:26:40] <requerdanos> ok, important lesson learned, there is a 30 minute time limit.
[21:26:51] <requerdanos> the study results will be published at watching-paint-dry.com
[21:27:16] <Bytram> requerdanos: another trick for ya
[21:27:44] <Bytram> take a look now, you should see me in a story
[21:28:12] <requerdanos> you're there
[21:28:24] <Bytram> look again
[21:28:57] <requerdanos> you show up, but in the new story without name
[21:29:29] <Bytram> Admin: >> SITE: >> New
[21:29:51] <requerdanos> You told me about that. Been trying to be careful to use it to avoid having to time out
[21:30:32] <Bytram> yes, I did. Seemed like a good chance for a refresher, just in case.
[21:31:04] <requerdanos> note the weasel words like "trying to"
[21:31:26] <Bytram> time out?
[21:31:46] <requerdanos> time out, having the session expire and appearing to be in the story when in fact I am long gone
[21:32:47] <Bytram> okay, good. wasn't following the terminology.
[22:03:11] * requerdanos :: afk :: visit to corner store
[23:05:54] <Bytram> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[23:05:56] <systemd> Submitting "Court says Uber can’t hold users to terms they probably didn’t read"...
[23:06:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Court Says Uber Can’t Hold Users to Terms They Probably Didn’t Read" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:06:34] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[23:06:36] <systemd> ^ 03See a dramatic lava 'dome fountain' gush in eye-opening video from Hawaii's Kilauea volcano ( https://www.cnet.com )