#editorial | Logs for 2020-12-31

« return
[00:36:48] -!- AzumaHazuki [AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time] has joined #editorial
[00:59:56] <requerdanos> =cite https://doi.org
[00:59:58] <systemd> Journal Reference: Kyrylo Snizhko, Parveen Kumar, Alessandro Romito. Quantum Zeno effect appears in stages [open], <cite>Physical Review Research</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512">10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512</a>)
[01:24:25] <requerdanos> =cite Journal Reference: Kyrylo Snizhko, Parveen Kumar, Alessandro Romito. Quantum Zeno effect appears in stages [open], <cite>Physical Review Research</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512">10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512</a>)
[01:24:25] <systemd> Journal Reference: 
[01:24:26] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[01:24:33] <requerdanos> fair enough.
[01:24:55] <requerdanos> =cite 10.1098/rsta.2019.0562
[01:24:57] <systemd> Journal Reference: The lunar surface as a recorder of astrophysical processes, <cite>Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1098/rsta.2019.0562">10.1098/rsta.2019.0562</a>)
[02:36:36] -!- AzumaHazuki has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[04:55:54] -!- mrpg [mrpg!~c9efd371@Soylent/Staff/Editor/mrpg] has joined #editorial
[04:55:54] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[04:56:17] <mrpg> Hello
[04:56:52] <mrpg> what up. I'll do " China clamps down in hidden hunt for coronavirus origins"
[04:58:29] <mrpg> Weren't we making one covid per day?
[04:58:46] <mrpg> I could do that one merged with "Picking Quarrels & Provoking Trouble" - China Slams Journalist With 4 Years in Jail Over COVID Repo "
[05:06:32] <mrpg> Let's see if i remember how to do this...
[05:07:26] <mrpg> I merged two stories and the text says submissions deleted, i had a mini stroke then i read the rest of the message: "merged".
[05:08:56] <mrpg> The original source for the seconds sub is reuters.
[05:36:38] <mrpg> Ok I set it to no display please someone check it. This would be my 1200 story. I set it to 14:30 utc
[05:37:29] <mrpg> Bye take care
[05:37:43] -!- mrpg has quit []
[06:20:17] * Bytram just updated Beg-o-Meter
[06:40:52] -!- Subsentient has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[06:40:52] -!- aqu4bot has quit [Quit: aqu4bot baking shutting down.]
[06:51:23] <Bytram> =g just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over
[06:51:24] <systemd> https://philosiblog.com - You have not converted a man because you have silenced him ...
[06:51:47] <Bytram> =g just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over -philosiblog
[06:51:48] <systemd> https://sfist.com - Local Attorney Sues Facebook for Blocking His Account Over and ...
[06:55:12] <Bytram> =g "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him" -philosiblog
[06:55:13] <systemd> https://americanart.si.edu - You Have Not Converted a Man Because You Have Silenced Him ...
[07:23:36] <Bytram> =g agamemnon
[07:23:37] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Agamemnon - Wikipedia
[07:44:43] <Bytram> http://rss.cnn.com
[07:44:45] <systemd> ^ 03Looking at buildings can actually give people headaches. Here's why ( https://www.cnn.com )
[08:02:12] <Bytram> =asub What is the view like from where you live and work? https://www.cnn.com
[08:02:14] <systemd> Submitting "Looking at buildings can actually give people headaches. Here's why"...
[08:02:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Looking at Buildings Can Actually Give People Headaches. Here's Why" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:05:28] * chromas wishes that submission delay could be removed for the bot
[08:07:21] <Bytram> chromas: how long is the delay? I thought it was just processing overhead?
[08:07:56] <Bytram> the bot has subscriber status, right?
[08:08:22] <chromas> There's a required delay between acquiring a resource key and using it to submit
[08:08:59] <chromas> The reason it'd be nice for the bot to skip it is the bot could generate one fewer messages when submitting
[08:09:40] <chromas> Butt there'd probably have to be sum speshul snowflake exception programmed in
[08:10:04] <chromas> hm, or maybe having semi-editor privilege removes that. not sure
[08:10:11] <chromas> it does have subscriber status
[08:10:25] <chromas> I think I tested it though and it still required the delay
[08:10:39] <Bytram> so, you DO have a hard-coded delay?
[08:10:51] <chromas> Yes; otherwise the submit will fail
[08:11:07] <Bytram> have you tried it recently?
[08:11:29] <chromas> probably not since the privilege escalation
[08:11:42] * chromas should add a =dev-sub function
[08:12:13] <chromas> Don't forget to sleep();
[08:12:24] <Bytram> back on winders, I could sub comments as fast as I could push them out.
[08:12:49] <Bytram> IIRC
[08:13:13] <chromas> Without at least a 20 second delay between loading an empty submission form and submitting it?
[08:13:42] <Bytram> try it! Say 10 seconds
[08:14:43] <chromas> neato
[08:15:03] <chromas> dunno what the delay was though
[08:15:13] <chromas> oh I should use the phpoo script to submit 'cause that's faster
[08:15:42] <Bytram> Hmmm, try coding it like ethernet CDMA(?) collision detection? Try no wait. if no luck, then try again after 1 second, then 2 seconds, 4, 8, etc.
[08:16:01] <Bytram> hth!
[08:16:14] <Bytram> and now to bed for realz!
[08:16:22] <Bytram> have a great night!
[08:16:49] <chromas> worked
[08:16:58] <chromas> only a couple seconds between reskey and submission
[08:17:08] <chromas> must me my l33t editorial skillz0rz
[12:37:25] -!- AzumaHazuki [AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time] has joined #editorial
[14:00:01] <requerdanos> bytram, want to follow me down a rabbit hole?
[14:00:34] <Bytram> ummm, not really.. but... what's up?
[14:01:11] <requerdanos> I decided yesterday to search for meta posts to "catch up" on any I missed over the last year or so.
[14:01:23] <requerdanos> main page, topics, clicked meta
[14:01:39] <requerdanos> noticed something missing: The two meta posts from december
[14:02:22] <Bytram> Hmmm, I have an idea of what might be happening... go on.
[14:03:46] <requerdanos> posts that are only meta seem to show up in the topic search
[14:03:56] <Bytram> my first thought is that the stories were originally categorized as "Main Page" and then later had the "Meta" Nexus added later.
[14:04:12] <requerdanos> posts that are both /dev/random and meta do not show up
[14:04:32] <requerdanos> seems to be irrespective of nexus because some of the meta topic stories that appear in the search are main page
[14:06:00] <requerdanos> only nine posts appear in the search for topic meta, which frankly can't be and isn't right according to what one would expect
[14:06:48] <Bytram> hmm
[14:07:24] <requerdanos> this put quite the monkey wrench into my catching up on meta post history.
[14:09:56] <Bytram> Okay, starting from "Topics" just acts as a shortcut to Search with specific values pre-selected
[14:10:52] <requerdanos> same results searching both pages for meta.
[14:11:01] <requerdanos> (as a topic)
[14:11:15] <Bytram> so, that confirms that suspicion, good.
[14:12:19] <requerdanos> I mean, a better search would be topic = rehash|soylent|slash|meta but leaving that aside
[14:12:31] * Bytram hops over to the DB
[14:12:44] -!- AzumaHazuki has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[14:13:37] <requerdanos> "Answers, Operations, and Finances" definitely has topic meta, so one would think it would show up in a search for meta, for specific example. https://soylentnews.org
[14:22:27] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[14:22:29] <Bytram> mysql> select tid, keyword, textname, submittable, searchable, storypickable from topics order by tid ;
[14:22:30] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | tid | keyword | textname | submittable | searchable | storypickable |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | 1 | nodisplaymainpage | The Main Page | no | yes | no |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | 2 | answers | Answers | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:32] <Bytram> | 3 | liberty | Digital Liberty | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:34] <Bytram> | 4 | slash | Slash | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:36] <Bytram> | 5 | code | Code | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:38] <Bytram> | 6 | news | News | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:40] <Bytram> | 7 | reviews | Reviews | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:42] <Bytram> | 8 | soylent | Soylent | no | yes | yes |
[14:22:44] <Bytram> | 9 | hardware | Hardware | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:46] <Bytram> | 10 | random | /dev/random | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:50] <Bytram> | 11 | os | OS | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:52] <Bytram> | 12 | business | Business | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:54] <Bytram> | 13 | mobile | Mobile | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:56] <Bytram> | 14 | science | Science | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:58] <Bytram> | 15 | security | Security | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:00] <Bytram> | 16 | software | Software | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:02] <Bytram> | 18 | techonomics | Techonomics | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:04] <Bytram> | 19 | career_education | Career & Education | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:06] <Bytram> | 21 | nodisplaytopics | Topics | no | no | no |
[14:23:08] <Bytram> | 22 | nodisplay_nexuses | Nexuses | no | no | no |
[14:23:10] <Bytram> | 23 | rehash | Rehash | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:12] <Bytram> | 24 | breakingnews | Breaking News | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:14] <Bytram> | 25 | meta | Meta | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:16] <Bytram> | 26 | politics | Politics | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:20] <Bytram> | 29 | communityreviews | Community Reviews | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:22] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:23:24] <Bytram> 25 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[14:23:26] <Bytram> mysql>
[14:23:28] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[14:26:09] <Bytram> .
[14:28:02] <Bytram> this is going to be a bit messy. As you may have noticed, Topic and Nexus are commingled in the same table. Further, each story can be in more than one Nexus and more that one topic.
[14:28:59] <requerdanos> that makes semi-good sense. I wonder how the pre-baked search by topic works, and whether it looks at, say, all linked topics or just the first one, or just an arbitrary but single one
[14:32:44] <Bytram> good question. I don't know. NCommander added in Nexuses something like a year or so into the site's history. It was something I struggled to grok for quite a while, and prolly still do not fully understand.
[14:33:30] <Bytram> I am much more familiar with the DB, now, but far from fully fluent.
[14:34:03] <requerdanos> it's a nontrivial datebase and dataset both
[14:36:04] <Bytram> now that you mention it, you DO have a point there!
[14:37:20] <Bytram> I mean that SHOW TABLES only lists 185 rows!
[14:37:47] <requerdanos> yeah you'd need a reference book to decode that
[14:38:33] <Bytram> Well, a printout of a LDM (Logical Data Model) would go a long way, too.
[14:39:21] <requerdanos> I assume there is something like an intermediate table with three-ish fields, id, storyid, and topicid.
[14:39:44] <Bytram> requerdanos: Unrelated, but I noticed the MRJE Slashbox returned?!!! Any idea of when that happened?
[14:39:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:40:20] <requerdanos> wasn't there last night when I went to bed
[14:40:28] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:40:55] <Bytram> So, you do see it, now?
[14:41:01] <requerdanos> yes.
[14:48:43] <requerdanos> Today is an important day in my apprentice editor training.
[14:49:23] <Bytram> this is going to take a bunch of time to investigate further. I'd like to write up one fundraiser story before year-end. Can this wait for a day or two?
[14:49:46] <requerdanos> it can wait five more years if you like. just pointing out something odd that I noticed :)
[14:51:05] <Bytram> I appreciate that, and your keen observations! Do keep mentioning whatever you find; "fresh eyes" are fresh but once.
[14:51:39] <Bytram> would prolly be good to mention in #dev
[19:23:03] * Bytram just updated the Beg-o-Meter
[19:24:51] <requerdanos> thanks for that. I was just makin some popcorn
[19:31:03] <Bytram> enjoy!
[19:32:19] <requerdanos> you have a meta story coming out today?
[19:32:34] <Bytram> working on it even as we speak
[19:33:07] <requerdanos> awesome.
[19:39:02] <requerdanos> time for a brief word in pm?
[19:39:17] <Bytram> k
[20:13:47] <Bytram> =w fair use
[20:13:48] <systemd> Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from - https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:13:54] <Bytram> =w libel
[20:13:55] <systemd> Defamation (also known as calumny, vilification, libel, slander, traducement or injury) is the oral or written communication of a false statement about - https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:20:47] <Bytram> =g peary north pole advertisement
[20:20:48] <systemd> https://www.latimes.com - Polar Experts Ease Doubts Over Tainted Peary Claims - Los ...
[20:21:11] <Bytram> =g peary north pole newspaper advertisement
[20:21:12] <systemd> https://www.latimes.com - Team to Test Peary's North Pole Claim : Arctic: Traveling by dog sled ...
[20:21:36] <Bytram> =g peary north pole newspaper advertisement -claim
[20:21:37] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Constant illumination at the lunar north pole | Nature
[20:51:11] <requerdanos> in my considered opinion, working in 2-3 words about the article/thread topic into one's spam screed doesn't necessarily make it "on topic" and no longer spam. Just sayin'.
[20:56:50] <Bytram> =g Dunning-Kruger
[20:56:51] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia
[21:04:44] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[21:04:44] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 13
[21:04:57] <Bytram> requerdanos: you around?
[21:05:03] <requerdanos> yes...
[21:05:22] <Bytram> I'll have a new story ready in ~5 minutes
[21:05:32] <Bytram> will you be able to 2nd it for me?
[21:05:38] <requerdanos> I'll be here.
[21:07:18] <Bytram> requerdanos: there you go!
[21:07:25] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:07:27] <systemd> ^ 03Year-End-Wrapup: SoylentNews Submission
[21:07:46] <requerdanos> ok, moment
[21:08:56] <Bytram> requerdanos: here's a time slot for you: 2020-12-31 21:15:00
[21:09:34] <requerdanos> supposed to be a paragraph break between "please subscribe" and "if you can"?
[21:09:57] <Bytram> prolly.
[21:10:14] <requerdanos> seems an odd place for one.
[21:10:32] <Bytram> oops, nope! great catch
[21:14:32] <requerdanos> "The topics area looks odd"
[21:15:42] <Bytram> I need to add this somewhere: "There is also the matter of following guidelines so that the site has a consistent layout (aka look-and-feel). Then, too, scheduling stories was functional, but unforgiving of errors."
[21:16:16] <requerdanos> well, it's live
[21:16:24] <Bytram> am not understanding.. whoah!
[21:16:38] <requerdanos> requerdanos: here's a time slot for you: 2020-12-31 21:15:00
[21:17:23] <Bytram> yep
[21:18:36] <requerdanos> I am out of it if you want to put those sentences in there
[21:18:54] <Bytram> done'
[21:22:08] <requerdanos> how do I not see the type when editing but see it fine when live, "It was only after a had undergone a few days' training"
[21:22:32] <requerdanos> s/the\ type/the\ typo/
[21:22:32] <SedBot> <requerdanos> how do I not see the typo when editing but see it fine when live, "It was only after a had undergone a few days' training"
[21:23:03] <Bytram> I'm out -- go for it!
[21:26:02] <requerdanos> it is wholesome and good. glad you have that asbestos suit, which I hope you don't need
[21:26:28] <Bytram> that was my mistake, I should have set the story as NOT display until we both had a chance to double-check things!
[21:27:00] <Bytram> Huh? Oh, no! I had just sent it out to the cleaners!
[21:27:45] <Bytram> break time; back in a few minutes
[21:34:38] <Bytram> teamwork++
[21:34:38] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 258
[21:34:59] <Bytram> requerdanos: thanks for your help!!!
[21:35:18] <requerdanos> you're very welcome.
[21:43:15] <Bytram> commencing holiday/weekend story spacing
[21:51:30] * Bytram just made some small, last-minute tweaks and additions to the year-end wrap-up; https://soylentnews.org
[23:08:35] <Bytram> I wonder what timezone is the basis for SoylentNews' fiscal year? Eastern Time? (Have our bank in Massachusetts; we are incorporated in Delaware) or UTC?
[23:09:18] <Bytram> I'm going to guess it's Eastern (Standard) Time for the nonce
[23:09:35] <requerdanos> that harmonizes with those physical institutions, sure
[23:10:32] <Bytram> Must make things a tad interesting for huge multi-national companies.
[23:11:39] <Bytram> I mean, Google probably has income from every single time zone. My brain is starting to hurt just thinking about it.
[23:31:26] * Bytram is updating Beg-o-Meter
[23:36:59] <Bytram> Beg-o-Meter is now at $2308.77 (65.9%) of $3500.00; dated: [2020-07-01 00:00:00 .. 2020-12-31 23:00:06 UTC]; SPIDs: [1408 .. 1508]
[23:57:25] <Bytram> =g Dawn Wells
[23:57:26] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Dawn Wells - Wikipedia