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[12:19:47] <chromas> What kinds of grammatical modimifications can we do to subs outside of blockquotes?
[12:20:34] <chromas> I'm thinking of changing "but the vines are easily grown, but only very" to "but while the vines are easily grown, they only very"
[12:20:48] <chromas> in this sub https://soylentnews.org
[12:20:50] <systemd> ^ 03Vanilla: A Tale of a Botanical Mystery, Colonialism, and Savvy Marketing: SoylentNews Submission
[12:21:15] <Bytram> chromas: /me looks
[12:21:34] <chromas> or perhaps some other regrammaring
[12:22:48] <Bytram> chromas: btw, how does one sett a hostmask(?) on IRC (so someone's nick can be reserved) e.g. for someone whose nick is NickName
[12:23:54] <chromas> There's a couple ways to get a hostmask. one way is to use hostserv (/msg hostserv help)
[12:25:37] <Bytram> chromas: tx!... and the other(s)?
[12:27:05] <chromas> or I guess a mask would be a *!*@* style string and I was thinking of vhosts
[12:27:17] <chromas> anyhow you can also set a vhost with nickserv
[12:28:02] <chromas> If you're trying to reserve a nick you can use nickserv's group function to add it to your account
[12:28:19] <Bytram> to answer your Q: (1) if it is user text, be minimal in modifications so as to let the submitter's style through. (2) Quoting from an online source -- use [siv] ...OR... replace bad words w/ correct words in brackets: [corrected text]
[12:28:22] <chromas> as Zumi did the other day while Runaway was dicking about
[12:28:56] <chromas> [siv[sic]]
[12:28:57] <chromas> :D
[12:29:07] <Bytram> that's what I was wondering how to do... is that something all users can do on their own, or does it require our intervention?
[12:29:47] <chromas> They can add more nicks on their own
[12:30:16] <Bytram> lol
[12:30:38] <Bytram> Sorry, not enough coffee; example pls?
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[12:32:11] <chromas> /nick MartyB
[12:32:11] <chromas> /msg nickserv group
[12:35:21] <chromas> Maybe I'll just add a period and drop the but
[12:36:26] <Bytram> user's text? yeah, just fix it.
[12:36:41] <Bytram> phonne call
[12:37:53] <chromas> ATDT
[12:43:31] <chromas> it's nice to do a real, non-bot sub for a change
[12:44:16] <chromas> adjusting commas, maybe throwing in an em dash or two. something beyond just snip snip snip
[13:03:46] <Bytram> chromas: yes, agreed. I first scan the subs queue for non-bot subs, and try and give them precedence. Only after giving all of those a look-see, do I look at bot subs. Well, once in a while a title catches my eye, but then I always look to see if there is a non-bot sub on it as well.
[13:04:33] <chromas> I was disappointed when your 'sub' was just a merge :'(
[13:04:48] <Bytram> lol
[13:06:05] <Bytram> that reminds me... not looking fwd to writing up this next story. Have the general gist of what I want to say, but gonna take me better part of an hour to put it into words.
[13:07:22] <Bytram> chromas++ thanks for 2nding all those stories! And pushing out TWO more!
[13:07:22] <Bender> karma - chromas: 179
[13:07:53] <Bytram> that was close... almost got you turned around there. ;)
[13:10:33] <chromas> Just write "blah blah blah" and we'll mentally fill it in with whatever we like
[13:37:11] <Bytram> chromas: U still around?
[13:37:29] <chromas> I think so.
[13:37:38] <Bytram> was wondering if you could help me debug getting my lappy to hibernate
[13:37:56] <chromas> I can try
[13:38:01] <chromas> You have enough swap space?
[13:38:19] <Bytram> It has managed to do so once in a while, but then refuses to do so
[13:38:34] <Bytram> umm, prolly not. how do I tell?
[13:39:08] <chromas> in your terminal, run: free
[13:39:12] <Bytram> I've got 4 GiB RAM
[13:39:20] <chromas> or free -h for abbreviated numeros
[13:39:28] <chromas> KiB and such
[13:39:53] <Bytram> free -h
[13:39:53] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[13:39:53] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 2.1Gi 556Mi 416Mi 1.0Gi 953Mi
[13:39:53] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 709Mi 266Mi
[13:40:02] <chromas> Should tell you how many bytes your swap is. You need enough to fit in the ram plus whatever's currently swapped out
[13:40:30] <Bytram> looks like I do not have enough?
[13:40:36] <chromas> Smol swap. I'm surprised it work at all
[13:40:44] <chromas> Maybe it still works if most of the ram is unused
[13:41:07] <Bytram> I go way back to tiny computers -- am very conservative in my usage
[13:41:19] <Bytram> hmm, lt me close a few things
[13:41:23] <Bytram> *let
[13:41:35] <chromas> Not conservative enough. I bet you don't even own a tractor.
[13:41:53] <Bytram> correct!
[13:42:19] <Bytram> saving a bookmark or two or... for later reference...
[13:42:21] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[13:42:22] <systemd> ^ 03The incredible stories behind 5 of the world's most expensive watches
[13:42:56] <chromas> You can add a swapfile and see if that helps
[13:43:31] <chromas> Then delete after your testises
[13:45:10] <chromas> If it all works, then you can go through the pain of repartitioning the ssd
[13:45:18] <chromas> or just leave the file. either way
[13:46:09] <Bytram> IIRC, I think my current swap is on an llv(?)
[13:46:53] <Bytram> doing better...
[13:46:55] <Bytram> free -h
[13:46:55] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[13:46:55] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 1.7Gi 975Mi 318Mi 977Mi 1.3Gi
[13:46:55] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 703Mi 272Mi
[13:47:22] <Bytram> now let me close Firefox...
[13:48:00] <Bytram> .
[13:48:01] <Bytram> free -h
[13:48:01] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[13:48:01] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 889Mi 1.9Gi 216Mi 877Mi 2.3Gi
[13:48:01] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 573Mi 402Mi
[13:48:20] <chromas> getting there
[13:49:45] <Bytram> not sure how to read it... it looks to me that I should *be* "there" -- what am I missing?
[13:49:56] <chromas> there's junk in your swap still
[13:50:36] <chromas> so only 402 mibblebights free
[13:50:50] <chromas> you can still give it a go though
[13:51:27] <Bytram> might be some old stuff in swap being held onto? How do I tell the system to "clear" cache? i.e. make everything memory-resident in RAM?
[13:51:36] <chromas> also check out your systemd journal and/or the kernel ring buffer (dmesg -wT)
[13:51:50] <Bytram> TLI5
[13:52:01] <chromas> I think the only way is to reboot or turn the swap partition off and then on again
[13:52:04] * Bytram is learning stuff!
[13:52:44] <Bytram> ISTR reading about a parameter where one could tune the "swappiness"
[13:54:05] <AzumaHazuki> proc.vm.swappiness
[13:54:11] <AzumaHazuki> iirc
[13:54:20] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++
[13:54:20] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 8
[13:54:26] <Bytram> is that a command?
[13:54:36] <Bytram> oh, wait....
[13:54:41] <AzumaHazuki> it's in /etc/sysctl.conf i think?
[13:54:46] <Bytram> it's a file
[13:55:14] <chromas> Yeah. You can also put it into a proc virtual file for temporary messing aroundness
[13:55:40] <chromas> putting it into the /etc/systectl.conf will make it set on boot
[13:55:55] <chromas> (but don't use my spelling of thefile :)
[13:57:19] <Bytram> maybe: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[13:57:22] <chromas> That will change how linux decides what to swap out, but it won't empty out your swap space when you change it
[13:57:47] <Bytram> currently /proc/sys/vm/swappiness == 60
[13:58:45] <chromas> echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[13:58:52] <chromas> you'll need to be root
[13:59:52] <Bytram> chromas++
[13:59:52] <Bender> karma - chromas: 180
[14:00:03] <chromas> AzumaHazuki++ too
[14:00:04] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 9
[14:02:16] <Bytram> done
[14:02:48] <Bytram> free -h
[14:02:48] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[14:02:48] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 884Mi 1.1Gi 210Mi 1.6Gi 2.3Gi
[14:02:48] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 572Mi 403Mi
[14:04:35] <Bytram> better, but it looks like I can't get "there" from here
[14:04:57] <chromas> Try turning it off and on again :D
[14:05:12] <chromas> swapoff /dev/swappartitiondevice
[14:05:23] <chromas> then when it's done, s/off/on/
[14:05:49] <chromas> it might take awhile because, at least in my experience, draining the swap goes at a trickle's pace for unknown reasons
[14:06:09] <Bytram> no such file
[14:06:10] <chromas> so it might be faster to just reboot, if you don't have stuff in progress
[14:06:27] <chromas> oh, replace swappartitiondevice with your swap partition device name
[14:06:37] <chromas> lsblk to see what it is
[14:06:41] <Bytram> and that would be...
[14:06:47] <Bytram> tx!
[14:07:17] <chromas> I've barely used lvm so I don't remember what the naming convention is
[14:08:24] <Bytram> there are 17 loop devices (loop0 .. loop16) and then "lsblk" displays:
[14:08:59] <Bytram> NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[14:09:01] <Bytram> sda 8:0 0 931.5G 0 disk
[14:09:01] <Bytram> └─sda1 8:1 0 931.5G 0 part
[14:09:01] <Bytram> ├─ubuntu--vg-root 253:0 0 930.4G 0 lvm /
[14:09:01] <Bytram> └─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:1 0 976M 0 lvm [SWAP]
[14:09:01] <Bytram> sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom
[14:09:50] <chromas> so possibly something like /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
[14:10:18] <chromas> oh yeah, you can run "mount" and it'll show a whole mess of mounts
[14:10:35] <chromas> but it'll show the whole device path buried in the mess
[14:11:41] <chromas> oh, or lsblk -p
[14:11:57] <chromas> -p for path
[14:12:14] <Bytram> got it...
[14:12:44] <Bytram> NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[14:12:46] <Bytram> s/1513
[14:12:46] <Bytram> └─/dev/sda1 8:1 0 931.5G 0 part
[14:12:46] <Bytram> ├─/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 253:0 0 930.4G 0 lvm /
[14:12:46] <Bytram> └─/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:1 0 976M 0 lvm [SWAP]
[14:13:47] <Bytram> fwiw, I do not recall doing anything specific to set up swap; I *think* Ubuntu Mate did it for me automagically
[14:14:56] <chromas> if you do swapoff /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 then you can watch the swap drain until empty, then turn it back on and try suspending
[14:15:45] <Bytram> swapoff /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
[14:15:47] <Bytram> ??
[14:15:49] <chromas> to watch it, try watch -n1 free -h to have it update every 1 seconds, then ctrl-c to end it all
[14:15:53] <chromas> yeah
[14:16:35] <Bytram> so that would be in a separate term ??
[14:17:02] <chromas> if you want. swapoff is nonblocking though, I think, so it'll return immediately to the prompt
[14:17:14] <Bytram> oh, k
[14:17:34] <chromas> the whole thing might be done instantly. it just wasn't for me when I did it
[14:17:49] <Bytram> sudo swapoff /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
[14:17:52] <chromas> because linux like to torture me
[14:17:57] <chromas> looks good
[14:18:47] * chromas gets the fire extinguisher
[14:18:49] * Bytram watched in "System Monitor"
[14:18:54] <Bytram> done
[14:19:12] <chromas> is the swap all empty?
[14:19:23] <chromas> or missing
[14:19:29] <Bytram> free -h
[14:19:29] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[14:19:29] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 1.2Gi 701Mi 271Mi 1.7Gi 1.9Gi
[14:19:29] <Bytram> Swap: 0B 0B 0B
[14:19:39] <Bytram> :D
[14:19:40] <chromas> cool, so then just do it again, but swapon
[14:19:59] <chromas> you'll have an empty swap partition, so suspend should work
[14:20:15] <Bytram> won't I need to tell it how large a new swap file I want?
[14:20:34] <chromas> no; it's using a partition. it's still there but not being used
[14:21:07] <chromas> but if you were using a file, it would just use it at whatever the file size already is
[14:21:12] <Bytram> well, I'd like to be able to hibernate in the future w/o having to quiesce everything
[14:21:19] <chromas> so if you want to expand into a file, you need to make a file of the size you want
[14:22:00] <Bytram> k
[14:22:06] <Bytram> how?
[14:22:09] <chromas> Did you try suspending?
[14:22:24] <Bytram> no.
[14:22:36] <Bytram> suspending works fine
[14:22:46] <Bytram> but suspending also eats power
[14:23:05] <chromas> oh hibernate
[14:23:19] <chromas> someone should standardize the terminology
[14:23:26] <chromas> Find a spot for your swapfile that isn't in /run or /tmp or some other place that's actually a ramdisk, then use dd or something to make a file
[14:24:48] <Bytram> which -a hibernate
[14:25:03] <Bytram> ==> /usr/sbin/hibernate
[14:25:32] <Bytram> hibernate --version
[14:25:32] <Bytram> Hibernate Script 2.0
[14:26:14] <Bytram> file $(which -a hibernate)
[14:26:28] <Bytram> ==> /usr/sbin/hibernate: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[14:26:40] <Bytram> wc $(which -a hibernate)
[14:26:41] <Bytram> 927 3808 26807 /usr/sbin/hibernate
[14:27:28] <Bytram> gonna try to hibernate now
[14:27:42] * chromas 'bates with weighted breath
[14:28:44] <Bytram> cmd is: hibernate
[14:29:01] <Bytram> cmd is: sudo hibernate
[14:29:22] <Bytram> and...
[14:29:23] <Bytram> sudo hibernate
[14:29:23] <Bytram> hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
[14:30:19] <Bytram> nothing happened except for that error message
[14:30:39] <chromas> try systemctl hibernate
[14:30:48] <Bytram> k
[14:31:12] <Bytram> sudo systemctl hibernate
[14:31:34] <chromas> not sure what's up with that script though. I don't have it on my nonbuntu box
[14:31:36] <Bytram> progress
[14:31:39] <Bytram> sudo systemctl hibernate
[14:31:40] <Bytram> Failed to hibernate system via logind: Not enough swap space for hibernation
[14:32:11] <chromas> maybe TuxOnIce is able to hibernate without stuffing the whole ram into the swap partition
[14:32:21] <chromas> but it seems a bit broken
[14:32:45] <Bytram> doh!?
[14:32:59] <Bytram> swap not available and...
[14:33:13] <chromas> oh did you turn it back on?
[14:33:43] <Bytram> have 1.8 GiG of memory in use and no I did not, and it was only 1 GiB to start with
[14:34:16] <chromas> ah
[14:34:30] <Bytram> is this when I should make a new, bigger swapfile?
[14:34:42] <chromas> sudo swapon /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
[14:34:59] <chromas> should put your swap back, but in empty state
[14:35:11] <Bytram> won't that still leave me with just 1 GiB swap?
[14:35:22] <chromas> yeah but it's there; may as well use it
[14:35:34] <chromas> dd if=/dev/zero of /swap bs=1M count=400 (or whatever your desired swap size)
[14:36:15] <Bytram> ree -h
[14:36:15] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[14:36:15] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 1.3Gi 690Mi 274Mi 1.7Gi 1.9Gi
[14:36:15] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 0B 975Mi
[14:36:30] <chromas> then chmod 600 /swap; mkswap /swap; swapon /swap
[14:36:39] <chromas> of course, you can make the file something other than /swap
[14:36:46] <chromas> and stick it into your fstab
[14:37:02] <Bytram> have lotsa SSD disk atm, how to make 16 GiB?
[14:37:49] <Bytram> like this? dd if=/dev/zero of /swap bs=1M count=1600
[14:37:59] <chromas> here's probably a better explanation with more gooderer words than I havehttps://wiki.archlinux.org
[14:38:00] <systemd> ^ 03Swap - ArchWiki ( https://wiki.archlinux.org )
[14:38:10] <chromas> you'd want an extra zero
[14:38:15] <Bytram> or... dd if=/dev/zero of /swap bs=1G count=16
[14:38:23] <chromas> that also works
[14:38:37] <chromas> any combo of bs and count
[14:38:38] <Bytram> K.I.S.S.
[14:39:03] <chromas> bs sets the buffer size, so if you have status=progress to watch it, it won't update as often and will use more ram, with a bigger number
[14:39:03] <Bytram> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1G count=16
[14:39:20] <chromas> looks good
[14:39:40] <chromas> throw in a sudo if you're not root already
[14:40:04] <Bytram> wait.. that will create a file "/swap" ?? at the root of my drive?
[14:40:13] <chromas> yes
[14:40:20] <chromas> a 16 GiB empty file
[14:40:27] <Bytram> planning ahead...
[14:41:01] <chromas> Don't forget to document for later :)
[14:41:04] <Bytram> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap1 bs=1G count=16 status=progress
[14:41:13] <Bytram> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap1 bs=1G count=16 status=progress
[14:41:25] <chromas> sì
[14:41:32] <Bytram> yay...
[14:42:20] <chromas> That's pretty huge though. Are you planning to upgrade the ram any time at all?
[14:42:22] <Bytram> copy and pasted
[14:42:54] <Bytram> isn't that for both hibernation and swap?
[14:43:05] <chromas> yeah
[14:43:23] <chromas> but hibernation only needs your ram-size-worth of space
[14:44:18] <Bytram> I'd rather have excess than not enough... 4 GiB RAM, but I have 1 TB SSD with lots free
[14:44:28] <Bytram> after the dd:
[14:44:29] <Bytram> free -h
[14:44:29] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[14:44:29] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 980Mi 1.1Gi 194Mi 1.6Gi 2.2Gi
[14:44:29] <Bytram> Swap: 975Mi 391Mi 584Mi
[14:45:30] <Bytram> oh? Hmmm
[14:45:32] <chromas> You've only created an empty file so far. Next, change the file mode for maximum privacies with
[14:45:32] <chromas> sudo chmod 600 /swap1
[14:46:11] <chromas> make it a swap file with
[14:46:11] <chromas> sudo mkswap /swap1
[14:46:12] <Bytram> so, whatever was swapped out, stays swapped out... only needed someplace to put the RAM?
[14:46:19] <chromas> yeah
[14:46:26] <Bytram> making sense!
[14:46:44] <Bytram> sudo chmod 600 /swap1
[14:46:45] <chromas> then turn it on with
[14:46:45] <chromas> sudo swapon /swap1
[14:47:02] <Bytram> no error msg :)
[14:47:06] <chromas> inspect it for roundness, then try hibernating
[14:47:36] <Bytram> oops
[14:47:38] <Bytram> sudo swapon /swap1
[14:47:38] <Bytram> swapon: /swap1: read swap header failed
[14:47:48] <chromas> did you skip mkswap?
[14:47:52] <Bytram> yes
[14:47:55] <chromas> sudo mkswap /swap1
[14:48:22] <Bytram> sudo mkswap /swap1
[14:48:22] <Bytram> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 16 GiB (17179865088 bytes)
[14:48:22] <Bytram> no label, UUID=b365ba90-6ed8-468f-b49a-3f2f36baa99f
[14:48:56] <Bytram> and now to turn it on ith:
[14:48:59] <Bytram> sudo swapon /swap1
[14:49:12] <chromas> Yep, and don't forget to
[14:49:12] <chromas> sudo chmod 600 /swap1
[14:49:39] <chromas> keeps non-root from peeking into the file
[14:50:00] <Bytram> ls -l /swap1
[14:50:00] <Bytram> -rw------- 1 root root 17179869184 Dec 15 09:48 /swap1
[14:50:30] <chromas> looks good
[14:50:35] <Bytram> free -h
[14:50:35] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[14:50:35] <Bytram> Mem: 3.6Gi 1.0Gi 1.0Gi 214Mi 1.6Gi 2.2Gi
[14:50:35] <Bytram> Swap: 16Gi 362Mi 16Gi
[14:51:09] <Bytram> so, in theory, I should be able to hibernate, now?
[14:51:22] <chromas> give 'er the ol' spicy keychain
[14:51:24] <chromas> yeah
[14:51:45] <Bytram> sudo hibernate
[14:52:29] <chromas> also add the swap file to your fstab so it activates at boot
[14:53:48] <Bytram> now you tell me :)
[14:54:38] <chromas> well it won't go away until you do a reboot
[14:55:04] <Bytram> It tried to hibernate, screen went black and then among about 5 lines of messages including a brief error message about not enough swap (IIRC)
[14:55:14] <chromas> anyhow, use your favorite editor on /etc/fstab and stick in a line of
[14:55:24] <chromas> hm
[14:55:35] <chromas> did it come back or did you have to reboot?
[14:56:07] <Bytram> errored out and came right back
[14:59:02] <Bytram> atm:
[14:59:03] <Bytram> at /etc/fstab
[14:59:03] <Bytram> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[14:59:03] <Bytram> #
[14:59:03] <Bytram> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[14:59:03] <Bytram> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[14:59:11] <Bytram> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[14:59:13] <Bytram> #
[14:59:15] <Bytram> # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
[14:59:25] <Bytram> *cat /etc/fstab
[14:59:35] <chromas> ah, looks like you need to edit the kernel parameters
[15:00:27] <chromas> it has to look at a specific swap device or file I guess. which makes sense since resuming from hibernation starts out as a regular boot
[15:00:37] * Bytram reads the words, and groks the concepts and feels like an absolute noob
[15:01:27] <Bytram> kinda like a bootloader needing to know where to boot from?
[15:01:42] <Bytram> roughly / handwavy
[15:03:03] <chromas> yeah. in the bootloader's config is where you'd set the kernel parameters. I don't have ubuntu so I'd better grab that since every distro does the same thing in its own way :)
[15:03:23] <Bytram> chromas++ I so appreciate your gentle and patient help!
[15:03:23] <Bender> karma - chromas: 181
[15:04:11] <Bytram> Ima need a break right now, my brain's getting full. back in a half hour or so.
[15:04:16] <chromas> Alternatively you can just move your files off the ssd and resize your partitions
[15:04:45] <Bytram> that would take only about 18 hours
[15:05:07] <chromas> need a desktop to put the drives into
[15:05:21] <Bytram> 1 TB with old USB speeds. (pre USB 3)
[15:05:50] <Bytram> or, if I had one, an RPi?
[15:06:05] <chromas> whatever lets you plug hdds into something faster than usb
[15:06:18] <Bytram> too true!
[15:07:01] <chromas> I think most USB HDDs are just sata inside
[15:07:33] <chromas> although I recall one brand having extra pins you have to cover up on the sata connector to get it to spin up
[15:07:51] <Bytram> tell ya what, things are still in a state of working. Let's call it a day for now. I've got some stuff to take care of this PM *and* an article to write.
[15:08:26] <chromas> Did you say what version your ubuntu is?
[15:08:32] <chromas> 20.04 LTS?
[15:08:54] <Bytram> All my drives are currently Samsung 1 TB 860 EVO SSDs
[15:08:54] <chromas> I'll grab the same version to play with
[15:10:04] <Bytram> I think it is... how to verify?
[15:11:45] <Bytram> according to "System Monitor": Release 20.4.1 LTS (Focal Fossa) 64-bit
[15:12:21] <Bytram> Kernel Linux 5.4.0-56-generic x86_64
[15:12:34] <Bytram> MATE 1.24.0
[15:13:21] <Bytram> Available disk space: 118.6 GB
[15:13:38] <Bytram> thanks so much!
[15:13:58] <Bytram> really gtg, c u l8r!
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