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[02:01:45] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.usatoday.com
[02:01:46] <systemd> Submitting "A tabloid got a trove of data on Hunter Biden from Rudy Giuliani. Now, the FBI is probing a possible disinformation campaign"...
[02:02:08] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08A Tabloid Got a Trove of Data on Hunter Biden From Rudy Giuliani. Now, the FBI is Probing a Possible" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:20:47] <carny> there's a leaked zip file of some of the emails in pdf form
[02:21:34] <carny> but the biden campaign is being careful to denigrate instead of deny because they don't want to be caught in any more lies
[02:25:01] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[02:25:06] <systemd> Submitting "The Problem of Free Speech in an Age of Disinformation"...
[02:25:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Problem of Free Speech in an Age of Disinformation" (99 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:38:02] <AzumaHazuki> don't make the cure worse than the disease
[02:38:36] <AzumaHazuki> the issue here isn't freedom of speech, it's a bunch of corporate horseshit doing an end run around the protections of truth the First would naturally provide
[02:47:23] <aristarchus> I believe we are dealing with an instance of the reverse-Streisand effect.
[02:58:42] <Fnord666> Since when does the First apply to corporations?
[03:00:42] <aristarchus> Since Citizen United decision by the Supreme Court, in the United States.
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[03:05:21] <Fnord666> 2010?
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[06:03:14] <chromas> If that's true then Twitter and Facebook can't b& because muh first ammend
[06:05:06] <aristarchus> Backwards, chromas. Citizens United says that Corps have freedom of speech, not that they have to respect it. Rightwing nutjobs will still be deplatformed. Sorry.
[06:05:24] <chromas> well then the first doesn't appy to corporations
[06:06:00] <aristarchus> I can't hear you?
[06:06:07] <chromas> aristarchus censored again!
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[12:32:59] * Bytram_dewey just updated the Beg-o-Meter
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[17:00:24] <Fnord666> Awesome dept line on the system rescue cd story!!!
[17:00:27] <Fnord666> Bytram++
[17:00:27] <Bender> karma - bytram: 114
[17:02:23] * Bytram_dewey forgot what he wrote!
[17:02:44] <Bytram_dewey> =g HTML UL symbol
[17:02:45] <systemd> https://www.w3schools.com - HTML ul tag
[17:04:13] <Bytram_dewey> =g HTML list-style-type
[17:04:14] <systemd> https://www.w3schools.com - CSS list-style-type property
[17:04:16] <Fnord666> "getting-away-from-the-cd-part-of-town? "
[17:06:13] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, that! Heh. In college, a local radio station had a weekly program where they would play a CD all the way through -- and oh-by-the-way-do-not-record-this-wink-wink -- they called it "CD Sunday" which always sounded to me like "Seedy Sunday"
[17:09:01] <Bytram_dewey> Interesting -- there's lots of different choices for list-style-type but I do not see a hyphen!
[17:11:53] <Bytram_dewey> Fnord666: first off: thanks so much for keeping the queue stuffed while I embark on the Herculean effort of jumping from decades of Windows to Linux -- can't tell ya how much it means to know you have my back!
[17:13:12] <Bytram_dewey> Secondly, today marks the 2nd anniversary of my officially taking on the mantle of EiC
[17:14:56] <Bytram_dewey> I was hoping to attain a lifetime average of 4 stories per day since I started as an editor back in 2014... I think I'm coming up ~120 stories short... so close!
[17:24:07] <Bytram_dewey> Fnord666: Lastly, Seeing only 3 stories posted to Ars Technica on Sat. Oct. 17 (2 of which were republications of stories from thier sister site wired.com) and not even a single story on El Reg (The Register) -- where their authors are paid -- I'd like to know your thoughts on what would be a good cadence for us for the weekend.
[17:26:41] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, and from a cursory glance, Ars tends to cater to daytime USA for when they post stories... it seems to me they are inconsistent in their coverage over 24 hours.
[17:28:40] <Bytram_dewey> Fnord666: For the Orionids story... just thought of a new dept. line: peak-a-boo!
[17:34:45] <Fnord666> Sounds good!
[17:35:00] <Fnord666> Updating now
[17:36:23] <Fnord666> I'm assuming the peak that you used was intentional
[17:39:13] <Bytram_dewey> Moi? But of course! :D
[17:42:44] <Fnord666> BTW you can do a list with hyphens but it needs a CSS style hack so not usable in this circumstance.
[17:43:07] <Fnord666> The HTML should allow you to specify the character!
[17:44:04] <Fnord666> As far as weekend cadence, I would be interested to see the read/comment rate during the week compared to the weekend.
[17:44:14] <Bytram_dewey> TY, yes I saw an example... disable marker, set a left margin, set a character to preceed each item.
[17:44:55] <Fnord666> Our cadence is very similar right now. Are soy lentils engaging more/about the same/less with stories on the weekend
[17:47:24] <Bytram_dewey> Hmmm, I get the daily stats emailed to me... off the top of my head -- and naturally it depends on the story selection -- there is definitely a dif on the weekends. How much of that is due to the stories themselves and how much to it just being the weekend (I'm guessing many of our community read while at work while waiting forsome taks to complete and are stopping by to see what's up)
[17:48:05] <Bytram_dewey> then again, there is the matter of story hits (views) by loggen-in users vs ACs.
[17:48:11] <Fnord666> Yeah I was wondering how to account for the Bia in story selection
[17:48:36] <Fnord666> bias
[17:48:44] <Bytram_dewey> hard to do, but it prolly averages out over enough weekends
[17:49:50] <Bytram_dewey> Hmmm, wish me luck... do you by chance know offhand where thunderbird stores files locally?
[17:50:36] <Fnord666> Hmmm. On windows?
[17:50:46] <Bytram_dewey> yes
[17:51:47] <Fnord666> Check %APP_DATA%/Thunderbird
[17:52:36] <Fnord666> I think that's where thunderbird stores the profiles.
[17:52:45] <Fnord666> Doh!
[17:53:03] <Fnord666> Since you aren't logged in that env variable isn't available
[17:53:31] <Bytram_dewey> nod nod; Not to worry, I speak Jive.
[17:54:41] <Fnord666> C:\Users\Bytram\AppData I think.
[17:55:14] <Fnord666> So /mnt/oldcdrive/Users/Byteam/AppData maybe?
[17:55:56] <Fnord666> So /mnt/oldcdrive/Users/Byteam/AppData/Thunderbird maybe?
[17:56:02] <Fnord666> So /mnt/oldcdrive/Users/Bytram/AppData/Thunderbird maybe?
[17:56:37] <Bytram_dewey> so far I am at: /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles$
[17:56:40] <Fnord666> I think you should find your profile there which includes your old messages, etc.
[17:57:11] <Fnord666> Do you see your profile there?
[17:58:59] <Bytram_dewey> yep, and now I found my 18 mailboxes...
[18:00:47] <Bytram_dewey> migh be in the wrong profile -- files do not look current
[18:02:14] <Fnord666> There should be a *.default profile
[18:04:08] <Bytram_dewey> IIRC I should be looking for MBOX (dir?)
[18:05:10] <Fnord666> You will want to migrate your whole profile unless you want to set up all of your email connections again.
[18:05:30] <Fnord666> Do you want your profiles migrated or just your emails?
[18:05:51] <Fnord666> Here is a link on how to migrate a profile
[18:05:53] <Fnord666> https://support.mozilla.org
[18:05:54] <systemd> ^ 03Moving Thunderbird Data to a New Computer
[18:06:15] <Bytram_dewey> that comes later. :/
[18:06:30] <Fnord666> You will have to infer the directory for step 5 on the source computer since you can't boot it.
[18:06:57] <janrinok> on linux it all goes in ~/.thunderbird
[18:07:33] <Bytram_dewey> after talking with JR, and since I'm on 18.04, I'm now planning to download an ISO for 20.04, reinstall, and *then* port things over
[18:08:09] <Bytram_dewey> best to do it now before I've invested too much time into customization and installation
[18:09:01] <Fnord666> Yes, your email is within an mbox file that should be located in your profile directory
[18:09:08] <Bytram_dewey> so, for this, I'm looking at files that I copied from my Win box to an SSD mounted on a USB adaptor -- which is npw pllugged into *this* computer as an externl drve
[18:09:46] <janrinok> Fnord666, just for laughs he is doing it blindfolded with his left hand tied to his right foot, in the dark
[18:10:19] <Bytram_dewey> It's merely a flesh wound! Let me ad 'em!
[18:10:26] <janrinok> lol
[18:14:04] <Bytram_dewey> This looks promissing: /media/martyb/DE0CBFD30CBFA4C5/Users/bytram/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/jhu9q2k7.default/ImapMail/mail.soylentnews-1.org/INBOX
[18:14:42] <Fnord666> We'll call it a draw.
[18:14:59] <Fnord666> That does look promising
[18:15:56] <Bytram_dewey> Only goes back to Feb.
[18:42:23] <Bytram_dewey> I wish I could paste in newline chars
[18:43:01] <Bytram_dewey> PASTE_BEGIN
[18:43:11] <Bytram_dewey> Sun, 219 476.247 4025.85
[18:43:18] <Bytram_dewey> Mon, 220 480.745 4031.03
[18:43:25] <Bytram_dewey> Mon, 220 480.745 4031.03
[18:43:46] <Bytram_dewey> Tue, 218 605.541 4819.54
[18:43:54] <Bytram_dewey> Wed, 216 610.806 4866.88
[18:44:03] <Bytram_dewey> Thu, 212 606.377 4834.28
[18:44:09] <Bytram_dewey> Fri, 224 609.210 4776.62
[18:44:17] <Bytram_dewey> Sat, 216 592.083 4693.52
[18:44:32] <Bytram_dewey> PASTE_END
[18:44:44] <Bytram_dewey> that shows:
[18:44:59] <Bytram_dewey> 1.) Day of Week
[18:45:07] <Bytram_dewey> 2.) Number of samples
[18:45:35] <Bytram_dewey> 3.) average number of hits (visits) by logged-in users
[18:45:55] <Bytram_dewey> 4.) average number of hits (visits) by ACs
[18:46:08] <Bytram_dewey> FINIS
[18:53:04] <Bytram_dewey> So, those are the *averages* over time.
[18:55:37] <Bytram_dewey> .
[18:57:02] <Bytram_dewey> wait a minute! I *think* I keep my email both locally AND on the server... so if I just set up Thunderbird with the account information... shouldn't tbird just bring the messages down, locally?
[18:58:41] <Bytram_dewey> oh, and yahoo was playing games and required me to set up some new 'acct authentication' stuff... I think I did it right, but don't know if I did enough to make them happy.
[18:59:11] <Bytram_dewey> will have to try and access my e-mail via the web and see if there are any new messages from them.
[18:59:15] <Bytram_dewey> .
[19:00:05] <Bytram_dewey> in the meantime, I need a break and have a bunch of things to do this afternoon. Gonna prolly be mostly unavailable for the next few/several hours.
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