#editorial | Logs for 2020-07-17

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[00:00:50] <Bytram> "Class, by Friday I want each of you to write a 2-page essay on ..." I used to dread those assignments. Things change, eh?
[00:01:31] <charon> the difference is that it's your idea
[00:02:10] <Bytram> partly. Most of the story subs are not *my* idea,
[00:02:52] <Bytram> but I have a weak spot for helping others, and I believe in seeing a community springing up and sharing knowledge with others.
[00:03:36] <Bytram> Was how I got started with computers as a pre-teen. Shared enthusiasm, yanno?
[00:03:59] <charon> i understand that impulse. i have a bit of it myself
[00:04:05] <Bytram> Oh, and that was using a teletype on a 110 baud dial-up connection.
[00:04:22] <charon> sorry sir, should i get off your lawn?
[00:04:52] <Bytram> that's okay, you seem to behaving very well.
[00:05:09] <Bytram> But, it *could* use a trim. ;)
[00:07:00] <charon> even though i am not involved, i am glad to see SN still trucking along. i look at the main page nearly every day
[00:07:20] <Bytram> yay!
[00:07:36] <Bytram> can you believe we've been going since 2014!!!
[00:08:08] <charon> it is pretty impressive. the little site that could
[00:08:29] <Bytram> tru dat!
[00:09:17] <charon> though in all honesty, i am a bit disappointed that the politics subs always get the most comments
[00:09:35] <charon> i wish, collectively, we were better than that
[00:10:24] <Bytram> =g bikeshedding
[00:10:24] <systemd> https://en.wiktionary.org - bikeshedding - Wiktionary
[00:11:43] <Bytram> we way not all have knowledge of cosmology, for example, so few comments. But politics? That's closer to home, people feel more comfortable speaking out on that.
[00:11:47] <charon> ah, i see that salient part of that definition is "more important but also far more difficult to criticize constructively"
[00:12:09] <AzumaHazuki> we can't much longer charon
[00:12:13] <AzumaHazuki> we have no immune system here
[00:13:57] <charon> in this metaphor, the immune system is...?
[00:14:04] <Bytram> I'm pooped out. Break time.
[00:14:11] <AzumaHazuki> a working set of moderators
[00:14:12] <charon> cheers marty
[00:14:29] <Bytram> charon: HTH!
[00:14:32] <AzumaHazuki> SN has been taken over by the shitheads. it's impossible to keep them in check, partly because Buzztard is one of them
[00:15:32] <charon> ah, i see. but his position is that the userbase is the moderation staff
[00:15:53] <AzumaHazuki> yes. and there is a gaping hole large enough to drive a truck through
[00:15:54] <Bytram> I don't have the energy to discuss this right now, bu charon just said.
[00:16:13] <AzumaHazuki> do you see it? it's the assumption that 1) every use has equal clout and 2) that every post has equal impact
[00:16:18] <Bytram> gtg
[00:16:59] <charon> darnit, we're killing bytram
[00:19:58] <charon> @azuma: i get your point, and i am far more on your side of the political spectrum than the other side. but buzz is not wrong when he says we don't want a single person making rules for whose speech is better than others'
[00:20:58] <AzumaHazuki> that's true, we don't. but we could stand to have the mod system revamped. more points daily, less restriction on the Spam mod (repetitive trolling is apparently not "Spam" if even a few words are changed) etc
[00:21:50] <AzumaHazuki> the thing you need to understand about Buzztard is that he's a sociopath. Thankfully he's also ADHD (by his own admission) and lazy as hell. His "ethic," if you can call it that, is "as few restrictions up-front as possible"
[00:22:03] <AzumaHazuki> and, again, there is a hole the size of a large jumboliner in that one
[00:22:56] <charon> since i always browse at -1, i don't even get the benefit of downmodding comments. i see everything anyway
[00:23:01] <AzumaHazuki> this being "the fewest restrictions up front does NOT guarantee maximal freedom further down the line," i.e., the same fallacy at the heart of libertarianism itself
[00:24:28] <charon> well, as i see it the problem is unwillingness to change/add restrictions as time goes on
[00:24:57] <AzumaHazuki> that's a symptom. the problem is Buzztard isn't a functioning human being and is therefore unable to comprehend how humans act in groups
[00:25:10] <charon> "it's always worked so far" is the fallacy
[00:25:22] <AzumaHazuki> yeah. it always works...until it doesn't
[00:27:54] <charon> i see no problem with more mod points, especially if a subset of them could be designated upmod only. i thing the admin team were discussing this long back when i was an ed
[00:28:45] <charon> spam mod is tricky to change though, because it's it a -10 to karma?
[00:29:04] <charon> typo there: isn't it^
[00:29:37] <charon> it's a nuke that should be deployed only when really necessary
[00:31:39] <AzumaHazuki> the entire place is built on a faulty premise, though...it's a ticking time bomb
[00:32:10] <AzumaHazuki> i've considered getting the FBI involved in investigating certain commenters who seem...really, really eager for there to be another civil war, it's that bad. i am not sure how much longer i'll stay
[00:36:35] <charon> i browse the politics/culture war subs, and i see the usual suspects sniping back and forth. and of course a huge crop of ACs. maybe this makes me part of the problem, but i rarely care enough to get involved with a comment
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[00:37:50] <charon> of course i have opinions, and fairly strong ones. but when it comes to: "i must share this with the world," i don't care enough. also don't think the world cares much either
[00:39:41] <charon> i suck at social media
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[01:47:57] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[01:47:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 456,733 views; 👍1,158 👎65)
[02:18:55] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[02:18:58] <systemd> Journal Reference: Hang Yu, Jared R. Leadbetter. Bacterial chemolithoautotrophy via manganese oxidation, <cite>Nature</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2468-5">10.1038/s41586-020-2468-5</a>)
[02:33:17] <Bytram> .
[02:33:52] <Bytram> switching to weekend story spacing
[02:33:54] <Bytram> .
[03:06:14] <Bytram> It was so nice having a day's worth of stories queued up at all times last weekend! Can we do it again? I got things started -- let's keep it going!
[03:06:46] <Bytram> Thanks everybody! Have a great weekend!
[03:07:23] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[03:07:24] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 460,862 views; 👍1,167 👎64)
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[12:38:42] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[12:38:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 487,382 views; 👍1,220 👎70)
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[23:56:47] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[23:56:48] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 526,511 views; 👍1,303 👎71)