#editorial | Logs for 2020-04-11
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[00:01:09] <Bytram> now running v28.9.1
[00:01:35] <Bytram> And, it looks like they may have fixed the forgotten favicon issue!
[00:02:01] <Fnord666> just launched the program. Time to take it for a spin this weekend
[00:02:33] <Bytram> it has general compatibility with older firefox add ons
[00:02:59] <Fnord666> what extensions are you running?
[00:03:21] <Bytram> If there are any you had used and can no longer find, let me know. As best as I am able, I download extensions to disk and only then do I install them.
[00:03:30] <Bytram> ho boy!
[00:03:38] <Bytram> a few.
[00:05:14] <Fnord666> greasemonkey?
[00:05:44] <Bytram> one of my addons can dump a list of my extensions, but I cannot atm figure out how to invoke it!
[00:06:33] <Bytram> Doh! It's a button in the upper right hand corner of the addons page!
[00:12:22] <Bytram> Fnord666: sending extension dump to you via e-mail.
[00:12:39] <Fnord666> thx
[00:12:51] <Bytram> np, hth!
[00:14:13] <Bytram> Pretty good compression in that last one, eh? I'd like to see how well one of the zip programs compares to that!
[00:14:31] <Bytram> brb break time
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[00:34:44] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: o/
[00:34:53] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[00:35:10] <Bytram> how was your day?
[00:58:07] <Bytram> =g sciencedaily "An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles"
[00:58:08] <systemd> http://www.sciencetubers.com - Read Science News, Find Science Headlines - Page 4 | Sciencetubers
[00:58:19] <Bytram> =g science daily "An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles"
[00:58:20] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Podcast: A plastic-recycling enzyme, and supercooled molecules
[01:00:03] <Bytram> #g "An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles"
[01:00:04] <MrPlow> https://www.nature.com - "2 days ago ... An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles. V. Tournier,; C. M. Topham ..."
[01:00:13] <Bytram> #g "An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles" -natue.com
[01:00:14] <MrPlow> https://www.nature.com - "2 days ago ... An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles. V. Tournier,; C. M. Topham ..."
[01:00:17] <Bytram> #g "An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles" -nature.com
[01:00:17] <MrPlow> https://www.packaging-gateway.com - "1 day ago ... The development was described in an article entitled 'An engineered PET-depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles' and ..."
[01:00:40] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[01:00:43] <systemd> <p><b>Journal Reference</b><br/>V. Tournier, C. M. Topham, A. Gilles <em>et al</em>. An engineered PET depolymerase to break down and recycle plastic bottles, <cite>Nature</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2149-4">doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2149-4</a>)</p>
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[01:33:21] <chromas> Need to stop making plastic break down and start building robots to collect it
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[02:59:17] <carny> =submit seriously-do-not-use-zoom-ever dept. https://www.businessinsider.com
[02:59:19] <exec> └─ 13Zoom admits data got routed through China - Business Insider
[02:59:19] <systemd> Submitting "Zoom admits data got routed through China - Business Insider"...
[02:59:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Zoom Admits Data Got Routed Through China - Business Insider" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:58:57] <Fnord666> ~eds - I updated the original submissions section in the coronavirus roundup to match with the headlines in the story body.
[04:58:58] <exec> editor ping for Fnord666 (reason: - i updated the original submissions section in the coronavirus roundup to match with the headlines in the story body.): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz spiraldancing
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[06:05:34] <janrinok> Fnord666, I was leaving them there intentionally to indicate that they had been considered and/or merged. But no problem, as you wish.
[06:07:45] <chromas> [ari stomps in] Where's muh subs? You nazis are hiding my subs again!
[06:10:00] <janrinok> zactly! Some of his subs were on-topic but were so over-editorialised I just couldn't do anything with them in the time available.
[06:10:31] <Fnord666> I can restore them if you wish
[06:10:44] <Fnord666> I saved off the list before making the change
[06:11:23] <janrinok> whatever floats your boat. I can understand both sides of the argument. But Ari will complain and I wanted him to see that they had been read and discarded because of his own crap efforts
[06:12:24] <Fnord666> That makes sense also. I'll put it back the way it was.
[06:12:30] <chromas> He'll see it when he reads the irc log and then sets it to be his sn sig
[06:12:33] <janrinok> The reason for the 'topic' headings was because we had been asked in a previous round-up to do that to remove the need for the community to read everything, even if they were not interested
[06:14:04] <janrinok> Fnord666, you are up early this morning (here) or up late at night (there). Everything OK?
[06:14:29] <Fnord666> It is. Took a nap earlier so now I'm just up a bit later
[06:15:02] <janrinok> OK, nothing for us to worry about then. Just starting a sunny Saturday here!
[06:15:05] <Fnord666> Thanks for asking though
[06:17:07] <Fnord666> Everything still going ok there?
[06:18:52] <janrinok> yes - we have enough garden to get outside and sit in the sunshine for a while, although it does tend to require a fair bit of work this time of year. Looking after S doesn't change at all - it is very much groundhog day in that regard. My last day 'off' was 22 Dec!
[06:21:40] <Fnord666> Nothing quite like a little vitamin D in the morning
[06:22:31] <janrinok> At the moment the garden is the only place that S can go to under the self-isolation rules for vulnerable people.
[06:23:19] <Fnord666> One nice thing about not having to go into the office in the morning is that I can take that time to sit, watch the sunrise and enjoy a cup of coffee
[06:23:30] <Fnord666> better safe than sorry in that regards re the garden
[06:23:51] <janrinok> are you starting late and finishing late or just working a shortened day?
[06:24:22] <Fnord666> starting a touch later and working a bit later.
[06:25:10] <Fnord666> I basically start when I would have been getting into the office and wrap up about the time I would have gotten home
[06:26:50] <janrinok> I can tell it is a weekend - FatPhil has normally appeared by this time! But chromas is here as usual, although I have yet to log on and find a time when he isn't around.
[06:27:02] <Fnord666> me either!
[06:28:33] <janrinok> currently there is a pair of wood pigeons perched directly above my open window make a hell of a racket! It is a sign of spring, but I wish they could be a little quieter about it!
[06:28:47] <janrinok> making*
[06:29:37] <janrinok> ... and as I typed that they stopped - perhaps they are reading this channel...
[06:29:39] <Fnord666> If they're anything like turtle doves i know what you mean
[06:29:59] <Fnord666> maybe chromas is just a sentient wood pigeon
[06:30:02] <chromas> They read your tweets
[06:30:11] * Fnord666 groans
[06:30:34] <janrinok> lol. Yeah, similar in volume to wood pigeons but more intelligent that chromas.
[06:30:47] <chromas> sad but true
[06:31:11] <janrinok> I swear if you perch above my window you will not be there for long
[06:31:34] <Fnord666> lol
[06:31:45] <Fnord666> tennis racquet?
[06:32:00] <janrinok> half-brick
[06:32:15] <chromas> What do you do with the other half?
[06:32:24] <chromas> I guess you have two hands
[06:32:29] <janrinok> the other half brick for good measure
[06:32:29] <Fnord666> two pigeons
[06:32:43] <Fnord666> no that's two birds with one stone
[06:33:16] <janrinok> already it is descending into a pun-day.
[06:33:33] <chromas> And it's only chatter-day
[06:33:34] <Fnord666> I tohught it was satyr-day
[06:34:05] <janrinok> I can't wait for the nurse to get here so I have an excuse to leave without appearing rude
[06:34:12] <Fnord666> lol
[06:34:39] <Fnord666> As you mentioned before, it is getting late here and I do need to get to bed.
[06:35:12] <Fnord666> Good night/good morning/good whatever it is wherever you are chromas
[06:35:36] <chromas> =g'evenin' Fnord666
[06:35:37] * systemd tragically runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a buzzfeed listicle of rancid milk for Fnord666
[06:35:42] <Fnord666> I will chat with you all later.
[06:35:48] <janrinok> I was wondering how much effort I would have to expend to write an intelligent merge program in python. You know, keep submission links in the same order as the stories, that sort of thing
[06:36:00] <janrinok> laters Fnord666 !
[06:36:01] <Fnord666> =g'evenin' chromas
[06:36:01] * systemd amazingly flings a raid 2 volume of half-dead batteries at chromas
[06:36:22] <janrinok> sleep well
[06:37:03] <Fnord666> It might not take too much effort really if you jsut feed it a list of subids
[06:39:17] <Fnord666> you could even order them by topics, assuming a topic was set.
[06:39:23] <chromas> l33t haxx tip: You can drag links from your browser into a text editor
[06:40:25] <Fnord666> and with that I bid you all good night, again.
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[06:44:28] <janrinok> chromas, that's exactly what I was planning to do. Let the software do the work
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[15:02:26] <Bytram> Interesting discussion on the "Original Submission" links
[15:04:09] <Bytram> The current arrangement fell out of how we originally chose how to display the original link... after an "<hr>" which editors *can* use, but submitters *cannot*. Wouldn't do to have a story publish with a faux O.S. link!
[15:06:08] <Bytram> So, maybe a different approach to how the O.S. link is presented, that could be kept adjacent to the story in a merge? There are site vars for permitted tags for admin and for user. We are free to use any admin-only tag to delineate O.S. links.
[15:07:33] <Bytram> Off the top of my head, the first that comes to mind is a table with border. <table border='1'><tbody><tr><td><a href="...">Original Submission"></td></tr></tbody></table>"
[15:08:35] <Bytram> I suspect most (if not all?) browsers would do what we want if we just used: <table border=1><td><a href="...">Original Submission</a></td></table>
[15:09:37] <Bytram> then, each O.S. link can be kept with the story text to which it applies, instead of being glommed onto the end.
[15:12:08] <Bytram> Also, retaining 28 submission links for 16 actual stories? I would expect that if I am looking at the Nth story presented in a merged story, that under the old (current) scheme, "Original Submission N" should provide the link to that Nth story. Including *all* *submitted* links at the end breaks that correlation.
[15:34:14] <Bytram> For future ref, though it currently has no value assigned: tags_admin_private_tags
[15:35:17] <Bytram> Ignoring the quotes ("), Variable Name: "tags_admin_private_tags" Value: "" Description: "List of tags separated by | that are private for admins"
[15:37:41] <Fnord666> Good morning all
[15:45:15] <Bytram> Fnord666: goof morning!
[15:45:18] <Bytram> s/f/d
[15:45:24] <Bytram> s/f/d/
[15:45:25] <exec> <Bytram> Fnord666: good morning!
[15:45:28] <Bytram> ~sed on
[15:45:29] <exec> sed already enabled for 10#editorial
[15:45:47] <Bytram> slightly delayed response... I know the feeling!
[15:45:51] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:45:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 114
[15:46:30] <Fnord666> coffee++ indeed!
[15:46:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 115
[15:48:06] <Bytram> Hmmm, I've been going about this the wrong way? Trying to find a site var that lists tags restricted to admin use, by looking through Admin: CONFIG: Vars
[16:07:21] <Bytram> =g "QT prolongation"
[16:07:22] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Drug-induced QT prolongation - Wikipedia
[16:10:14] <Bytram> .
[16:10:23] <Bytram> https://blogs.sciencemag.org
[16:10:24] <Bytram> https://www.medrxiv.org
[16:10:24] <systemd> ^ 03The Latest Hydroxychloroquine Data, As of April 11
[17:15:21] <Bytram> Fnord666: I apologize for not thinking to mention this earlier! https://www.instagram.com
[17:15:22] <systemd> ^ 03Amy Allen (@amyallen) • Instagram photos and videos
[17:15:24] <exec> └─ 13Amy Allen (@amyallen) • Instagram photos and videos
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[18:24:04] <Bytram> She just put up a video last night... just a short one and only with her playing the guitar... one she picked up not too long ago, as also shown on one of her "pages" there.
[18:33:33] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[18:33:35] * exec definitely generates a small script that substitutes a recycle bin of chocolate chip cookies for Bytram
[18:33:42] <janrinok> ~gday Fnord666 ... again
[18:33:43] * exec sardonically waves a far-flung galaxy of donkey rhubarb at Fnord666
[18:33:51] <Fnord666> ~gday janrinok
[18:33:53] * exec problematically deallocates a tablespoon of Assault Shovel from janrinok
[18:34:05] <janrinok> sleep well eventually?
[18:34:37] <Fnord666> I did.
[18:34:50] <Fnord666> How has your day been so far?
[18:34:54] <janrinok> good!
[18:35:13] <janrinok> busy, but enough time to sit down for a while every now and then
[18:36:10] <Fnord666> That's good at least
[18:36:29] <janrinok> yep - can't complain
[18:50:34] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[18:50:36] * exec deliciously corrupts a shot of beef with janrinok
[18:50:40] <Bytram> ~gday Fnord666
[18:50:42] * exec somewhat shamefully embiggens a wagon of rusty nails with Fnord666
[18:51:10] <Bytram> livehttpheaders++
[18:51:10] <Bender> karma - livehttpheaders: 1
[18:52:30] <janrinok> how's it goin'
[18:53:56] <Bytram> well, thanks!
[18:54:20] <Bytram> busy writing some scripts to d/l some pages ... prototype is almost done
[18:54:24] <Fnord666> ~gday Bytram
[18:54:25] * exec cohesively straps a splash of ringworm on Bytram
[18:58:19] <Bytram> well, it that HAD worked, it would have been TOO easy!
[18:58:29] <Bytram> s/t/f/
[18:58:31] <exec> <Bytram> well, if that HAD worked, it would have been TOO easy!
[19:03:44] <janrinok> well, time for me to go. Perhaps speak to you both tomorrow?!
[19:03:59] <janrinok> laters Bytram Fnord666
[19:04:29] <Bytram> janrinok: Sorry didn't get to chat!
[19:04:36] <Bytram> hope yu have a great rest of your day!
[19:05:11] <janrinok> I hope to be sleeping the rest of today.... ;-)
[19:07:05] <Fnord666> laters janrinok
[19:12:35] <Fnord666> b'{\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n}\n'
[19:12:36] <systemd> ^ 03Bad title - SoylentNews ( https://wiki.soylentnews.org' )
[19:12:37] <exec> └─ 13Bad title - SoylentNews
[19:12:41] <Fnord666> b'{\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n}\n'api
[19:12:42] <systemd> ^ 03Bad title - SoylentNews ( https://wiki.soylentnews.org'api )
[19:12:43] <exec> └─ 13Bad title - SoylentNews
[19:12:51] <Fnord666> Stupid ADPI
[19:13:00] <Fnord666> s/ADPI/API/
[19:13:02] <exec> <Fnord666> Stupid API
[19:15:46] <Bytram> b'{stuff}'
[19:15:54] <Bytram> b{stuff}
[19:16:00] <Bytram> b{'stuff'}
[19:16:18] <Bytram> ~b{'stuff'}
[19:16:24] <Bytram> $b{'stuff'}
[19:16:24] <fungus> b? Unknown Style "'stuff'" ?
[19:16:42] <Bytram> $b'{stuff}'
[19:16:42] <fungus> b'? Unknown Style "stuff" ?'
[19:17:06] <Bytram> $b'{\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n}\n'api
[19:17:07] <fungus> b'? Unknown Style "\n" ?\n'api
[19:17:09] <exec> └─ 13Bad title - SoylentNews
[19:17:18] <Bytram> $help
[19:17:18] <fungus> Ask for help this way: ${help}
[19:17:27] <Bytram> ${help}
[19:17:27] <fungus> Bytram, here are the fungus macros:
[19:17:27] <fungus> More on fungus at http://ourtimelines.com
[19:17:28] <fungus> For specifics, try 0909$07{h item}:
[19:17:28] <systemd> ^ 03Bot help - fungus
[19:17:28] <fungus> ----------------------------------------------------------------
[19:17:29] <fungus> ATM aa_macro ab abbr action adjective adverb adverbly age atm b
[19:17:29] <fungus> bgcolor bot bsod cats cb chr chromas colors cols64 cowpoop
[19:17:30] <fungus> cowsay crumble ctrlAltDelete darks date ddate dict dmorse dt
[19:17:30] <fungus> dude echo emojis enumerate fart github guilty h hchr help
[19:17:31] <fungus> hexdump i itemize joke kcat lawn lb list ls ma mathsci moo morse
[19:17:31] <fungus> nick nl noun oldwrap40 omg pat play prog r rb reboot reverse rs
[19:17:32] <fungus> sex shrug smake strike sub sudo threat tomswift u unmorse verb
[19:17:32] <fungus> wisdom wrap wrap40 xabbr year z
[19:17:33] <fungus>
[19:17:34] <fungus> State Control:
[19:17:34] <fungus> --------------
[19:17:35] <fungus> auto autooff gone here hereoff listsups noauto notopid states
[19:17:35] <fungus> status topid topidoff
[19:18:22] <Bytram> ${h b}
[19:18:22] <fungus> 09style help: 07{b text} -- bold text (may not work with all clients)
[19:18:53] <Bytram> ${b '\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n}\n'}
[19:18:53] <fungus> s braced elements} must balance
[19:18:55] <exec> └─ 13Bad title - SoylentNews
[19:19:05] <Bytram> ${b '\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n}
[19:19:05] <fungus> '\n "RTFM" : "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/ApiDocs"\n
[19:19:08] <exec> └─ 13Bad title - SoylentNews
[19:19:09] <exec> └─ 13ApiDocs"\n - SoylentNews
[19:19:29] <Bytram> ${h n}
[19:19:29] <fungus> 09style help: No help available. Bad Panda!
[19:20:44] <Bytram> Fnord666: whacha tryin to do?
[19:21:30] <Bytram> ${h morse}
[19:21:30] <fungus> 09style help: 07{morse text} -- translate to -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. .
[19:21:31] <Fnord666> I was trying to use a python script to post a story to the dev site
[19:21:47] <Bytram> Ahhh! Neato@
[19:21:50] <Fnord666> and that was the helpful reply I got as a response
[19:21:52] <Bytram> Ahhh! Neato!
[19:22:03] <Fnord666> RTFM
[19:22:04] <Fnord666> thanks
[19:22:28] <Fnord666> Like I wasn't working from the api doc to begin with
[19:23:30] <chromas> Are you passing in all of m, op, reskey, subj, story, tid, sub_type and primaryskid ?
[19:23:41] <Bytram> need to collect my thoughts for a bit... back in a few minutes
[19:24:25] <Fnord666> oh crap it worked!
[19:24:39] <Fnord666> I missed primaryskid
[19:24:53] <chromas> cool
[19:25:23] <chromas> Writing a bot in c++?
[20:00:09] <Fnord666> no writing a python library wrapper around the api
[20:01:18] <Bytram> Fnord666: do you have a cookie?
[20:01:53] <Fnord666> I have a reskey
[20:02:07] <Fnord666> I do not have a cookie
[20:02:24] <Fnord666> other than some thin mints
[20:02:26] <Bytram> Also, I have found it indispensable to *assume* it is NOT going to work, and log everything to a file.
[20:02:38] <Bytram> girl scout?
[20:03:03] <Fnord666> yep
[20:03:24] <Bytram> =)
[20:04:03] <Bytram> So nice of them to sell their cookies in single-serving sized packages.
[20:04:12] <Fnord666> =)
[20:04:19] <Bytram> =O nom nom nom
[20:04:42] <Bytram> =g freihoffers chocolate chip cookies
[20:04:43] <systemd> https://www.amazon.com - Freihofer's Chocolate Chip Cookies, 12 oz
[20:05:14] <Bytram> =g quintisential
[20:05:15] <systemd> https://www.pinterest.com - 764 Best Quintisential Boston Architecture images in 2020 | Boston ...
[20:05:27] <Bytram> =g quintisential m-w
[20:05:27] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Quintessential | Definition of Quintessential by Merriam-Webster
[20:05:51] <Fnord666> Currently unavailable.
[20:05:57] <Fnord666> unfortunately
[20:06:58] <Fnord666> I love how my code has to look for an RTFM element to see if the request got an error
[20:07:08] <Bytram> Those cookies were a quintessential snack when I was in college. "Could I have a box of Freihofers and a quart of milk?" Heard many times each day when I worked at the campus "corner store" in the student union
[20:07:24] <Fnord666> lol
[20:08:06] <Bytram> ofc, there was always left-over milk or cookies... which required buying more of the one that came up short!
[20:08:15] <Bytram> Usually the cookies!
[20:13:08] <chromas> Another thing to watch out for is successful subs with a yuge ID returned
[20:13:29] <Bytram> yes, we have seen that before, haven't we?
[20:13:37] <chromas> They're not really successful (and the id is invalid). When I've seen it, it was always an exact duplicate of a previous sub
[20:14:12] <chromas> So be sure to check for that
[20:14:52] <chromas> I have mine set to check for 7-digit sub ids
[20:15:26] <Fnord666> good to know
[20:17:46] * chromas wonders how long until we get valid 7-digiters
[20:19:06] <Bytram> iirc, we're not even up to 50000 yes, so there is a while to go.
[20:19:30] <Bytram> prolly right about when Unix epoch rolls over in 2038! =)
[20:20:11] <Fnord666> probably
[20:31:47] <chromas> Kick it on down the line. The uid2k(.5k) problem.
[20:32:23] <Bytram> Y2Ki problem, maybe?
[20:33:39] <chromas> Sounds like an imaginary problem
[20:33:57] <Bytram> #yt imagine
[20:33:58] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Imagine - John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band (w the Flux Fiddlers) (official music video HD long v)
[20:34:09] <chromas> Or is that those new prefixes?
[20:34:26] * chromas waits for the year 2048 to find out
[20:34:35] <Bytram> kibbles and kibits
[20:35:24] * chromas imagines having no friends or family or a PC
[20:37:26] <chromas> I bet Big Harddrive™ is behind those silly units, just specifically so they can keep using fake storage capacities
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[22:28:50] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[22:28:52] <systemd> <p><b>Journal Reference</b><br/>Umberto Lombardo, José Iriarte, Lautaro Hilbert <em>et al</em>. Early Holocene crop cultivation and landscape modification in Amazonia, <cite>Nature</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2162-7">doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2162-7</a>)</p>
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