#editorial | Logs for 2020-03-29

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[00:34:07] <Bytram> .
[00:34:13] <Bytram> ruh roh!! https://www.aljazeera.com
[00:34:13] <systemd> ^ 03Rockets intercepted over Saudi capital Riyadh, Jizan: State media
[00:34:14] <exec> └─ 13Rockets intercepted over Saudi capital Riyadh, Jizan: State media | Saudi Arabia News | Al Jazeera
[00:34:32] <Bytram> That's one way to boost the price of oil!
[00:37:42] <Bytram> break time
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[03:20:38] <Bytram> and it's time for bed; sleep well everyone and maintain a safe distance!
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[07:24:35] <janrinok> Bytram, can you understand what he is getting at, or what it is that I am misunderstanding? https://soylentnews.org
[07:24:37] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Revisiting Decades-Old Voyager 2 Data, Scientists Find One More Secret About Uranus ( https://soylentnews.org )
[07:24:38] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Revisiting Decades-Old Voyager 2 Data, Scientists Find One More Secret About Uranus
[07:31:02] <janrinok> Ari states that he could previously see filtered submissions until yesterday. I haven't accessed the site as an AC since I don't know when. Has something been changed recently to explain what Ari is seeing - or, more correctly, not seeing?
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[14:05:54] <Bytram> janrinok: /me takes a look
[14:09:13] <Bytram> Okay, finally sorted out what the purported issue was. Why could he not provide a link to the page with which he had a problem? Asking for help while simultaneously making it difficult to identify the problem... that will certainly speed a resolution!
[14:11:14] * Bytram loads https://soylentnews.org in a private browsing session which makes me an AC when viewing the site; at first glance I do not see a selection mechanism -- just a list of stories, all with nexus == Mainpage
[14:11:16] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[14:11:20] <Bytram> continuing investigation
[14:12:13] <janrinok> so is he talking about topics?
[14:12:54] * Bytram launches Internet Archive ( https://archive.org )
[14:12:56] <exec> └─ 13Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine
[14:13:14] * Bytram allows scripts from archive.org
[14:13:20] * Bytram searches for https://soylentnews.org
[14:13:22] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[14:15:35] <Bytram> seems to have trouble resolving a proper URL to access saved page; trying http instead of https
[14:16:02] <Bytram> the link looks better
[14:16:12] * Bytram waits for the page to load
[14:16:28] <Bytram> janrinok: Take a look at: https://web.archive.org
[14:16:29] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[14:16:33] <exec> ├─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[14:16:33] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[14:19:01] <Bytram> Since, to my knowledge, there have been no recent changes of note to the Perl code, and assuming this reporting of the issue is somewhat coincident with its first manifesting (i.e. assume recent change rather than recent awareness of an old change) it suggests to me the best place to look would be in the templates
[14:19:13] <Bytram> oh frabulous joy! :P
[14:19:46] <Bytram> heh heh I can look at the source to the IA page and maybe glean some info from that. =)
[14:22:13] <Bytram> Yay! IA kept the template in-line comments!
[14:24:53] <Bytram> likely candidate: subEdTable;submit;default
[14:27:00] <Bytram> Could be a site var controlling things... investigating
[14:28:53] <Bytram> brb
[14:38:55] <Bytram> I had added " Note: Coronavirus stories are under Classification "Hold" "
[14:39:17] <Bytram> I do not see how that could have been a factor; looking more closely
[14:42:10] * Bytram looks for show_filters
[14:43:14] * Bytram notes that show_filters does not appear to be a site var
[14:43:34] * Bytram looks for code that invokes the template
[14:56:13] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:56:26] <Bytram> grep -IRn "subEdTable" .
[14:56:28] <Bytram> reports:
[14:56:42] <Bytram> ./rehash-master/MANIFEST:475:themes/slashcode/templates/subEdTable;submit;default
[14:56:42] <Bytram> ./rehash-master/plugins/Submit/PLUGIN:15:template=templates/subEdTable;submit;default
[14:56:42] <Bytram> ./rehash-master/plugins/Submit/submit.pl:426: slashDisplay('subEdTable', {
[14:56:42] <Bytram> ./rehash-master/plugins/Submit/templates/subEdTable;submit;default:22:subEdTable
[14:56:54] * Bytram looks at submit.pl
[14:58:48] <Bytram> relevent code:
[14:58:54] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[14:58:56] <Bytram> slashDisplay('subEdTable', {
[14:58:56] <Bytram> cur_skin => $cur_skin,
[14:58:56] <Bytram> cur_note => $cur_note,
[14:58:56] <Bytram> show_filters => $show_filters,
[14:58:56] <Bytram> def_skin => $def_skin,
[14:58:57] <Bytram> def_note => $def_note,
[14:59:00] <Bytram> skins => \@skins,
[14:59:01] <Bytram> notes => \@notes,
[14:59:03] <Bytram> sn => \%sn,
[14:59:05] <Bytram> title => $title || ('Submissions ' . ($user->{is_admin} ? 'Admin' : 'List')),
[14:59:07] <Bytram> width => '100%',
[14:59:09] <Bytram> });
[14:59:11] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[14:59:38] <Bytram> is immediately preceded with:
[14:59:39] <Bytram> my $show_filters = scalar(@$submissions) > $constants->{subs_level} || $user->{is_admin} ? 1 : 0;
[15:00:07] * Bytram looks for a site var: subs_level
[15:00:46] <Bytram> Found it!
[15:00:49] <Bytram> =)
[15:00:51] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:02:24] <Bytram> You ain't gonna believe this!
[15:02:30] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[15:02:33] <Bytram> Variable Name: subs_level
[15:02:33] <Bytram> Value: 20
[15:02:33] <Bytram> Description: Level at which to not to display low submissions message, set to 0 to disable message
[15:02:42] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[15:02:46] <Bytram> .
[15:03:05] <Bytram> and there are curently 15 Submissions in the submissions queue
[15:03:33] <Bytram> So, it apparently functions as designed.
[15:05:35] <Bytram> My guess is that there was a time on Slashdot when someone would, moments after a story went live, have a comment ready-and-raring to go. Being first posted, it got top visibility, and if it seemed to have some degree of "value", would often garner a large number of upvotes, thus boosting their karma.
[15:05:59] <Bytram> It also gave them a "louder" megaphone from which to push their agenda
[15:07:34] <Bytram> If there are only a few items visible in the sub queue, one can reasonably select one, invest the time to write up a comment, and know that when it disappeared from the subs queue, the story was due to come out in the not-to-distant-future.
[15:07:36] <Bytram> brb
[15:57:32] <Bytram> Heh! https://soylentnews.org
[15:57:33] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Site News -- A Potpourri ( https://soylentnews.org )
[15:57:34] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Site News -- A Potpourri
[15:58:40] <Bytram> That user could then sit there, occasionally refreshing the main page, until they saw their desired story appear, quickly cut-and-paste in their pre-prepared comment... and voila!
[16:15:27] <janrinok> Bytram, I'm not convinced that is it. That variable is intended to display on the front page when the submissions queue is running low. Ari was discussing 'filters' although I accept that he could be using incorrect terminology. I do not think - in fact I know - that the two things are different. If you look at the link that you found in the wayback search the filters _are_ shown at the top of the page
[16:16:51] <janrinok> Comparing that to what is being displayed today, the filters are missing. Now I'm not sure why the community would want to see them, but if they do then they do. However, something has happened between the date of the example page you found and today, because the page format is different.
[16:18:26] <janrinok> The page you found was NOT from an admin - there is no top bar menu for example - but the filters _are_ present. Today they are not.
[16:28:20] <Bytram> yes.
[16:28:37] <Bytram> janrinok: I am writing up a comment addressing that atm.
[16:28:42] <Bytram> hmm
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[16:40:19] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Welcome aboard! How are you holding up?
[16:40:43] <AzumaHazuki> i almost fell asleep halfway through my shift yesterday
[16:41:11] <Bytram> Now that would be a trick to get paid whilst sleeping...
[16:41:12] <AzumaHazuki> am grateful to get one day off a week, but we're short-staffed and i'm not sleeping well
[16:41:25] <Bytram> {{{ hugs }}}
[16:41:46] <AzumaHazuki> i've been getting nasty flashes in dreams about my hometown...pop on a news website to see NYC is getting hit hard
[16:42:00] <AzumaHazuki> plus, everything goes pure blank white when i try and think about anything past June
[16:44:10] <Bytram> it's a new world for most folk -- way outside their normal day-to-day activities and routines. Puts everyone on edge as they find themselves doing what seems on the surface to be the exact same thing, but there's a whole swirl of *different* intermixed with it all. That tends to frighten most folk, and they tend to behave accordingly.
[16:45:51] <AzumaHazuki> this actually changes very little for me
[16:46:04] <AzumaHazuki> it occurs to me i basically live like a quarantine patient to begin with
[16:47:19] <Bytram> in some respects, same here.
[16:48:07] <Bytram> except for laundry, taking out the trash, and a couple other similar activities, I could pretty-much stay in my apartment (living alone) for at least a month and probably close to two.
[16:48:49] <AzumaHazuki> what bothers me most about this personally is that psychic wall I run into trying to think about anything more than 3 months out or so
[16:48:59] <AzumaHazuki> that has never happened. and i wonder if it means i'm going to die then
[16:48:59] <janrinok> ~gday AzumaHazuki - stay safe
[16:49:01] * exec tragically confiscates a +1 mace of charmin extra-soft from AzumaHazuki
[16:49:12] <Bytram> Though that might be good for my physical health, over the years I've gained some social skills and find that I am actually missing the usual interaction with people that I once enjoyed.
[16:49:12] <AzumaHazuki> oi, oi, i wasn't hoarding bogroll
[16:49:30] <janrinok> lol
[16:49:58] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Sure, I bet you were just trying to paper things over with that last remark! ;)
[16:50:08] <AzumaHazuki> :v
[16:50:23] <Bytram> Besides, no need to worry this too shall... pass!
[16:50:32] <AzumaHazuki> sadtrombone.mp3
[16:50:38] <Bytram> lol!
[16:50:57] <AzumaHazuki> in all seriousness, i am a bit constipated from mostly eating rice, pasta, and such. should probably have more oatmeal
[16:51:04] <janrinok> don't worry, carny will be along soon to cheer us all up with reports of unverifiable doom and gloom
[16:51:18] * Bytram notes (ha!) that WAAAY back when, he might have had a few year's experience playing said instrument back in school.
[16:51:59] <Bytram> janrinok: There you go again, always looking on the bright side of things!
[16:52:13] <Bytram> #yt look on the bright side of life python
[16:52:14] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Always Look on the Bright Side of Life Sing-Along - Monty Python
[16:54:24] * Bytram moves 5 submissions into the hold (aka coronovirus) queue
[16:58:43] <Bytram> TSMC 2nded
[16:59:18] * Bytram realizes it might be a good idea to have some breakfast before lunch time is entirely over. ;)
[16:59:19] <Bytram> biab
[17:54:38] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:54:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 112
[18:03:31] <Bytram> =g DOI 10.1126/science.aaz8727
[18:03:31] <systemd> https://science.sciencemag.org - Topological funneling of light | Science
[18:04:09] <Bytram> =g Topological funneling of light aeXiv
[18:04:09] <systemd> https://science.sciencemag.org - Topological funneling of light | Science
[18:04:17] <Bytram> =g arXiv Topological funneling of light
[18:04:18] <systemd> https://science.sciencemag.org - Topological funneling of light | Science
[18:04:32] <Bytram> =g arXiv "Topological funneling of light"
[18:04:32] <systemd> https://science.sciencemag.org - Topological funneling of light | Science
[18:04:42] <Bytram> =g arXiv "Topological funneling of light" -sciencemag
[18:04:43] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - PT -symmetric crystal
[18:06:15] <Bytram> =cite https://science.sciencemag.org
[18:06:17] <systemd> Journal Reference Sebastian Weidemann, Mark Kremer, Tobias Helbig et al. Topological funneling of light [$], <cite>Science</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aaz8727">10.1126/science.aaz8727</a>)
[18:06:18] <exec> └─ 13Topological funneling of light | Science
[18:06:25] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[18:07:22] <Bytram> =g "Topological funneling of light" science daily
[18:07:23] <systemd> https://www.sciencedaily.com - Light funnel apparatus created -- ScienceDaily
[18:08:10] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[18:08:10] <systemd> ^ 03Light funnel apparatus created
[18:08:11] <exec> └─ 13Light funnel apparatus created -- ScienceDaily
[18:08:18] <Bytram> =cite https://www.sciencedaily.com
[18:08:18] <systemd> Journal Reference Light funnel apparatus created, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[18:08:19] <exec> └─ 13Light funnel apparatus created -- ScienceDaily
[18:10:43] <janrinok> that story is already in the queue with a cite
[18:10:53] <Bytram> Oh? Nice.
[18:11:19] <Bytram> Here's what appears to be the original "release": https://www.uni-wuerzburg.de
[18:11:22] <systemd> ^ 03A funnel of light
[18:11:22] <exec> └─ 13A funnel of light - Universität Würzburg
[18:12:27] <janrinok> beg to differ - University of Rostock - but what the hell, if the Germans want to fight over it, let 'em
[18:13:07] <janrinok> ah, its a joint discovery - they have both submitted papers!
[18:13:21] <Bytram> more bogroll?
[18:13:26] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[18:13:30] <janrinok> yup
[18:13:41] * Bytram just closed about 30 tabs
[18:14:00] <Bytram> was starting to feel a bit claustrophobic!
[18:28:32] <Bytram> is raining, has been for a couple hours, forecast to continue for several more...
[18:28:50] * Bytram stayed up too late last night; thinks a nap might be a good idea.
[18:28:59] <Bytram> laters, everybody!
[18:30:16] <janrinok> laters - in fact tomorrow!
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[23:49:44] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[23:49:45] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus updates: Federal social distancing guidelines extended to April 30 ( https://www.cnet.com )