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[00:50:04] <Bytram> chromas: if you are around, the story queue ran dry... I quickly pushed out a story and fast forwarded it; I've got a what-I-hope-is-a-ready-to-go submission waiting... An chance you could take a look at it and push out, if it's acceptable?
[00:52:33] * chromas clicks
[00:55:16] * Bytram yawns
[00:55:16] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[00:58:41] <Bytram> =g goose kingdom phylum class order family
[00:58:42] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Canada goose - Wikipedia
[00:58:48] <Bytram> =g goose kingdom phylum class order family - Canada
[00:58:49] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Canada goose - Wikipedia
[00:58:54] <Bytram> =g goose kingdom phylum class order family -Canada
[00:58:55] <systemd> https://seaworld.org - African Pygmy Goose Facts and Information | SeaWorld Parks ...
[01:05:55] <Bytram> chromas++ Thank You!
[01:05:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 126
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[02:39:10] <Bytram> =yt how not to land a rocket booster
[02:39:11] <systemd> https://youtube.com - How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster (2:9)
[06:11:32] <carny> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[06:11:32] <systemd> ^ 03BT CEO tests positive for coronavirus, goes into self-isolation after meeting fellow bosses from Vodafone UK, Three, O2 plus govt officials
[06:11:33] <exec> └─ 13BT CEO tests positive for coronavirus, goes into self-isolation after meeting fellow bosses from Vodafone UK, Three, O2 plus govt officials • The Register
[06:12:06] <carny> how much do you want to bet he got it from the huawei ceo who was coughing his head off at davos?
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[08:05:24] <janrinok> Bytram, Any idea who changed the release CV stories to include 'spoilers' rather than text? These ARE NOT SPOILERs. Are we trying to save electrons or something. The text is in the extended portion - people will only go that far if they want to read it, so marking things as spoilers is wrong. IMO.
[08:09:09] <janrinok> Spoilers are designed to prevent a story spoiling a plot or content or other media. The edited submissions have already been cut back to indicate the information contained, which isn't always obvious from the title alone.
[12:34:13] <Bytram> janrinok: IIUC, it was a specific request made in the comments, and that takyon implemented it (I saw his comment and am strictly going from that). Although I agree that those should not be literal spoilers, it is the only thing we have atm for a way to toggle visibility of text. Is on my list of things to do when I can get a proper source tree on a lappy and try to implement.
[12:38:06] <Bytram> that's right up there with getting search to work in things other than just stories, creating automagically update funding status, finer granularity on the HoF page (By week, month, year, and all-time; with a flag to indicate which nick was an author or not - takyon has, atm, 5776 story submissions!), and getting the stats pages to work.
[12:58:34] <Bytram> ~arthur https://phys.org
[12:58:36] <exec> └─ 13Why do small dogs live longer than big dogs?
[12:58:37] <exec> 700 stories loaded
[12:58:38] <exec> story not found
[12:58:47] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[12:58:48] <exec> └─ 13Why do small dogs live longer than big dogs?
[12:58:49] <systemd> Submitting "Why do small dogs live longer than big dogs?"...
[12:59:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Why Do Small Dogs Live Longer Than Big Dogs?" (24 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:07:03] <chromas> is it because they only have it a little ruff?
[13:08:54] <janrinok> Bytram, 2 things. CV has arrived in my area. We are currently OK, but we/I have specific daily tasks to complete to ensure S's well-being. 2. What is the problem with text? Why do we need any additional shortening of stories? If people have clicked the Continue/Extended Text option they _want_ to read more.
[13:13:27] <janrinok> Travel outside of the home is not recommended for S, so I will NOT be getting my next respite break which was due to begin on Tuesday. I am knackered. Not had a day off since 22 Dec.
[13:33:48] <Bytram> janrinok: (1) So sorry to hear about CV arriving in your area! I was planning to attend a local conference to be held in two weeks and just learned that it was been canceled. Had attended every one for the past 15 years.
[13:34:25] <Bytram> (2) I don't know for certain. Give me a couple minutes and I'll see if I can find the comment that instigated this.
[13:39:50] <Bytram> Well, looks like you already found the causal comment: https://soylentnews.org
[13:39:51] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | CoronaVirus (SARS-CoV-2) Roundup 2020-03-12 ( https://soylentnews.org )
[13:39:52] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | CoronaVirus (SARS-CoV-2) Roundup 2020-03-12
[13:40:58] <Bytram> Maybe a new "Skip to Comments" button could help? (That's just off the top of my head... I *think* that should be quite easy to implement. I'll need to play around a bit, first.
[13:57:58] <janrinok> Many of the 'summaries' are now nothing more than a title and a Spoiler - that tells me nothing. Every other story we publish we provide a summary for people to read. We have done that for every story in the round-up too. Why do they need an extra Spoiler to condense them down to nothing?
[14:00:09] <janrinok> If we insist on spoilers for round-ups why do we not do the same for every other story that we publish from day to day? We might as well do away with the round-up and simply go for publishing each story as we would any other. At least we could read the summary.
[14:03:27] <Bytram> AFAICT, when ON THE MAIN PAGE, the user only sees the "Intro Copy", they have to click on the "[Contnues...]" text element to see anything more. That is NOT the case when they have clicked on, say, the story title and are now looking at the entire story. In THAT case, the entire story is expanded... and there is no easy way to skip past the rest of the expanded text to get to the comment section. It seems to me we just need an anchor
[14:03:28] <Bytram> tag presented at the end of the Intro Text that, when clicked, repaints the page and takes the user to where the comments start. It SHOULD be relatively simple to implement in the templates; I am trying to track down the correct one, right now.
[14:04:45] <janrinok> OK, if you feel it is necessary. I personally do not find scrolling a problem.
[14:05:06] <Bytram> conceptually, it is straightforward, but there are numerous complications depending on whether or not the user is an AC, editor, or logged-in-user... and if not an AC, whether they have preferences selected for such things as Low Bandwidth and the like.
[14:06:01] <Bytram> Not a problem for me with my huge monitor at home; not so much fun on a smaller display (e.g. 1024x768) or on a mobile.
[14:09:13] <janrinok> It must be a particular mobile then, I do one quick flick and it shoots down the page. Scrolling this story - before the spoilers were added - took two flicks.
[14:15:23] <Bytram> I dunno, just trying to understand a request from the community, and to my eye it does not sound terribly un-doable... unless I start running into hard-wired (non-template) code created to improve comment display performance when we exceeded something like 100 comments.
[14:16:18] * Bytram *still* vividly recalls when it was rolled out to the community long before I had finished creating and running my tests. Nooooooooo!!!!
[14:40:36] <Bytram> making progress, but need to step away for a bit to sort things out. biab
[21:44:27] <Bytram> whereto? https://arstechnica.com
[21:44:28] <systemd> ^ 03COVID-19 is a national emergency, Trump declares ( https://arstechnica.com )
[21:44:29] <exec> └─ 13COVID-19 is a national emergency, Trump declares | Ars Technica
[22:18:24] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[22:18:25] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[22:18:26] <exec> └─ 13Twitter
[22:25:04] <Bytram> #yt live forever
[22:25:05] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Kane Brown - Live Forever (Official Audio)
[22:29:45] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:29:47] <exec> └─ 13Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells
[22:29:47] <systemd> Submitting "Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells"...
[22:30:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Antiaging Biochemical Mechanism Found in Mouse, Bat and Naked Mole Rat Cells" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:32:34] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:32:36] <systemd> Submitting "Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells"...
[22:32:36] <exec> └─ 13Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells
[22:32:57] <systemd> Bytram, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (173781031), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[22:33:25] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:33:26] <systemd> Submitting "Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells"...
[22:33:27] <exec> └─ 13Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells
[22:33:48] <systemd> Bytram, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (173781081), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[22:39:26] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:39:27] <exec> └─ 13Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells
[22:39:32] <systemd> Submitting "Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells"...
[22:39:53] <systemd> Bytram, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (173781418), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[22:41:03] <Bytram> =g tears of wine
[22:41:04] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Tears of wine - Wikipedia
[22:41:14] <Bytram> =g tears of wine phys.org
[22:41:14] <systemd> https://phys.org - Undercompressive shocks proposed to explain 'tears of wine ...
[22:41:32] <Bytram> =g tears of wine physical Review Fluids
[22:41:33] <systemd> https://journals.aps.org - Theory for undercompressive shocks in tears of wine
[22:42:08] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:42:09] <exec> └─ 13Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells
[22:42:09] <systemd> Submitting "Antiaging biochemical mechanism found in mouse, bat and naked mole rat cells"...
[22:42:16] <Bytram> GAH!
[22:42:31] <systemd> Bytram, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (173781564), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[22:42:36] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[22:42:37] <exec> └─ 13Undercompressive shocks proposed to explain 'tears of wine' phenomenon
[22:42:37] <systemd> Submitting "Undercompressive shocks proposed to explain 'tears of wine' phenomenon"...
[22:42:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Undercompressive Shocks Proposed to Explain 'tears of Wine' Phenomenon" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:46:02] <Bytram> ~arthur https://hackaday.com
[22:46:04] <exec> └─ 13Smart Speakers “Accidentally” Listen Up To 19 Times A Day | Hackaday
[22:46:05] <exec> 886 stories loaded
[22:46:05] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Smart Speakers “Accidentally” Listen Up to 19 Times A Day"
[22:46:36] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[22:46:42] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[22:46:52] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[22:46:54] <exec> it has been only 18 seconds since the last submission - please wait
[22:46:55] <exec> └─ 13Second patient has been cured of HIV, study suggests: Long-term follow-up of the London patient suggests no detectable active HIV virus remains in the patient -- ScienceDaily
[22:50:01] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[22:50:03] <exec> └─ 13Second patient has been cured of HIV, study suggests: Long-term follow-up of the London patient suggests no detectable active HIV virus remains in the patient -- ScienceDaily
[22:50:03] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[22:50:04] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Second patient has been cured of HIV, study suggests"
[22:50:34] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[22:50:40] <exec> 884 stories loaded
[22:56:19] <Bytram> ~arthur ~arthur https://www.cnet.com
[22:56:21] <exec> └─ 13Carriers are suspending internet data caps during coronavirus - CNET
[22:56:22] <exec> 884 stories loaded
[22:56:23] <exec> story not found
[22:56:38] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.cnet.com
[22:56:41] <exec> 884 stories loaded
[22:56:41] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Carriers are suspending internet data caps during coronavirus"
[22:57:12] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[22:57:18] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[22:58:48] <Bytram> ~arthuir https://phys.org
[22:58:49] <exec> └─ 13World's first experimental observation of a Kondo cloud
[22:58:54] <Bytram> ~arthur https://phys.org
[22:58:56] <exec> └─ 13World's first experimental observation of a Kondo cloud
[22:58:57] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[22:58:58] <exec> story not found
[23:01:38] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[23:01:40] <exec> └─ 13World's first experimental observation of a Kondo cloud
[23:01:40] <systemd> Submitting "World's first experimental observation of a Kondo cloud"...
[23:02:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03World's First Experimental Observation of a Kondo Cloud" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:47:52] <Bytram> Had a good sized storm pass through. Barometer is low. I'm tapped out. Heading to bed early.
[23:48:16] <Bytram> commence weekend story spacing!
[23:48:20] <Bytram> laters
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