#editorial | Logs for 2020-02-14

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[00:01:29] <Bytram> ~eds Guess who I heard from today... mrpg! He didn't have much to say except that he found a job and it even includes lunch! I replied that I'll mention this here, so feel free to pipe up with any greetings or goodwishes you may have for him!
[00:01:30] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: guess who i heard from today... mrpg! he didn't have much to say except that he found a job and it even includes lunch! i replied that i'll mention this here, so feel free to pipe up with any greetings or goodwishes you may have for him!): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz
[00:04:12] <Fnord666> That's great! Congrats mprg!
[00:04:54] <Fnord666> It's great to hear things are looking up
[00:08:31] <Bytram> Okay, e-mail *just* got sent, including a link to today's log on this channel... Told him to check in here to see the responses. =)
[00:11:37] * Bytram 2nds Huawei Fires Back
[00:18:48] * Bytram 2nds canceled MWC 2020
[00:28:58] <chromas> A Married...With Children reboot wouldn't be as good anyway.
[00:35:42] * Bytram 2nds hybrid microscope
[00:40:10] * Bytram 2nds One more episode...
[00:41:03] <Bytram> =g &#8212;
[00:41:04] <systemd> [0 results]
[00:41:19] <Bytram> =g Unicode &#8212;
[00:41:20] <systemd> https://home.unicode.org - Unicode – The World Standard for Text and Emoji
[00:41:26] <Bytram> =g Unicode 8212
[00:41:27] <systemd> https://www.fileformat.info - Unicode Character 'EM DASH' (U+2014)
[00:42:00] <chromas> —
[00:42:19] <chromas> Maybe I should add a utf-8 thinger
[00:43:22] <Bytram> Not really necessary... would likely run into some... interesting issues with different IRC clients installed fonts
[00:43:59] <Bytram> At least, I don't see an easy way, but I'm open to ideas!
[00:44:25] * Bytram 2nds ocean infinity (and beyond!)
[00:45:50] <chromas> Well you'd just be able to do a description lookup and have it give the xml code and the symbol
[00:46:09] <chromas> and maybe put convert between symbol and xml thang
[00:47:03] <Bytram> Like..... =utf-8 "argument" and it would reply with all the different incantations? For example:
[00:47:15] <Bytram> =utf-8 #8212
[00:48:24] <Bytram> and it would reply with that as a hexidecimal character entity, its name, if is a named entity, a glyph, and the text description for the entry
[00:48:28] <Bytram> Or..
[00:48:41] <Bytram> =utf-8 nbsp
[00:48:43] <Bytram> or...
[00:49:03] <Bytram> utf-8 x2014
[00:49:04] <Bytram> or...
[00:49:20] <Bytram> =utf-8 U+2014
[00:49:50] <chromas> Yeah. Plus you could put in a description like arrow or something
[00:51:27] <Bytram> hold on a moment
[00:52:04] <chromas> Just need to come up with a command name. It should be something that takes less effort to type than to go do the search elsewhere
[00:52:23] <Bytram> =u8
[00:52:30] <chromas> Also if you're on your phone, you can probably get most of the glyphs—like notes and stuff—from your emoji keyboard
[00:53:27] <Bytram> speak for yourself... My fingers are about the size of three on-screen keys! Give me a tactile keybaord, instead!
[00:53:50] * Bytram is looking at "BabelMap"
[00:53:59] <Bytram> =g "BabelMap"
[00:54:00] <systemd> https://www.babelstone.co.uk - BabelMap (Unicode Character Map for Windows) - BabelStone
[00:54:01] <chromas> Have you looked at the recent balkberrries?
[00:54:13] <Bytram> Nah, I balked!
[00:54:13] <chromas> https://static.bhphoto.com
[00:54:41] <chromas> Pretty spendy though
[00:54:55] <Bytram> At the bottom of their screen are 5 radio buttons to select how you want things displayed.
[00:55:26] <Bytram> Use any one of those values as a key into the "database"
[01:02:16] * Bytram 2nds Lidar
[01:05:50] * Bytram 2nds a fast light detector... (wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to detect slow light?)
[01:08:45] <Bytram> done
[01:08:49] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:08:50] <systemd> ^ 03Apple must pay store employees for bag-search time, court rules ( https://www.cnet.com )
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[01:18:47] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:18:48] <systemd> ^ 03Clearview AI facial recognition company faces another lawsuit ( https://www.cnet.com )
[01:24:15] <Bytram> =g "UM Rosenstiel"
[01:24:16] <systemd> https://www.rsmas.miami.edu - Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science | University of ...
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[04:02:43] -!- mode/#editorial [+v Mrpg] by Hephaestus
[04:03:20] <Mrpg> Hola amigos.
[04:04:42] <Mrpg> Ive been here 9 month half of them unemployed. Í work at a hotel now.
[04:06:07] <Mrpg> Its summer now 34c degrees
[04:07:14] <Mrpg> That is all basically.
[04:08:43] <Mrpg> I bought a bycicle.
[04:08:54] <Mrpg> Bicycle
[04:09:56] <Mrpg> Ive been reading the journals i see things havent changed: )
[04:13:16] <Mrpg> Bye ill come back ir i have nees. I do the cleaning at the hotel i get free quality food and a little more than minimum.
[04:13:57] <Mrpg> Again: ill come back lair i have news a
[04:14:09] <Mrpg> If i have news
[04:15:35] <Mrpg> see you later: -)
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[06:04:02] <Dean> Bytram: ping
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[10:04:41] <janrinok> ~tell mrpg I'm pleased to hear that things are going better than they were. I hope things continue to improve.
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[13:57:46] <fyngyrz> Hiya Mrpg, welcome back
[15:02:15] <janrinok> chromas, when somebody uses upstart to submit a story it is upstart that gets the credit, and not the person making the submission. Shouln't the 'byline' indicate the actual submitter and not the bot?
[15:02:24] <janrinok> shouldn't*
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[15:53:57] <Fnord666_> Bytram - are we going to run weekend story spacing through the US holiday on Monday?
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[18:32:50] <janrinok> =doi DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.aax5097
[18:32:51] <systemd> <p><b>Error: DOI Not Found</b>, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)</p>
[18:32:53] <systemd> <p><b>Recovering signals of ghost archaic introgression in African populations</b> [open], <cite>Science Advances</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.aax5097">10.1126/sciadv.aax5097</a>)</p>
[19:24:12] <janrinok> Bytram, what is the holiday for?
[19:40:45] <chromas> Sex and candy.
[19:49:05] <chromas> janrinok: it could. I started off by copying MrPlow, then'ce occasionally tweaked it . What do you recommend?
[19:49:17] <chromas> Maybe just "user from irc writes"?
[19:50:52] <janrinok> Well, I would have thought that the person who submits the story should get the karma as they would with any other submission. If it is an AC nothing will happen but if they are a recognised user they will get the karma if the story is selected
[19:52:11] <chromas> There's currently no link between registered irc users and web site users. I could build a table or something
[19:52:25] <janrinok> that is what happens with other submissions. Within reason, we don't care how they get them as long as there is enough for us to make something of it
[19:54:17] <janrinok> as long as the <byline> immediately precedes the ID of the person submitting it then Rehash should do the rest of the work in the same way is does for other subs
[19:55:12] <janrinok> at least that's how I think it works
[19:55:25] <chromas> I could try it, but most irc nicks don't match anyhow
[19:55:42] <chromas> For example, tmb and azuma have spaces in their sn names
[19:56:23] <janrinok> well that is not your problem - if people want different IDs then they can. If the software can't resolve them then they lose out.
[19:57:23] <janrinok> but I seem to remember that TMB becomes T_M_B on SN, so spaces either become _ or +
[19:57:47] <chromas> $20
[19:57:54] <chromas> s/$/%/
[19:57:56] <exec> <chromas> $20%
[19:58:05] <chromas> heh
[19:58:08] <chromas> s/\$/%/
[19:58:15] <janrinok> but that is a digression.
[19:58:42] <janrinok> Those that DO use a matching ID should get the karma in my view
[19:59:55] <janrinok> However, I have to go - time to put S to bed for the night
[20:00:06] <janrinok> ~gnight chromas
[20:00:07] * exec illegitimately deallocates a buttcrack of humility from chromas
[20:00:19] <chromas> =gnite janrinok
[20:00:20] * systemd diabolically poops some stock footage of chicken fingers for janrinok
[20:01:04] <chromas> I'll play around with it for a bit...and then I'll look at the bot code
[20:01:36] <janrinok> good luck
[21:51:41] <Bytram> ~tell janrinok The holiday -- this coming Monday -- is called "President's Day." I was not sure about a few details, so it's best I just point you to: https://en.wikipedia.org's_Birthday
[21:51:43] <exec> └─ 13Washington's Birthday - Wikipedia
[21:55:53] <Bytram> janrinok: FYI chromas and I had this very discussion quite recently (past week or two?) I'm open to other viewpoints, but I think it cheapens the efforts of those who make the time to put together a ready-to-publish story. If a bot subs a story, pretty much all that they have been given is a URL (and maybe a suggestion for the dept.) I would encourage you to take a look at our HoF: https://soylentnews.org
[21:56:06] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:56:07] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[21:58:50] <Bytram> I seriously doubt that the effort expended by the 'submitters' of upstart's 1605 stories (at the time of my writing this) expended anything like the effort put in by Phoenix666 or AnonTechie.
[22:00:20] <Bytram> At least we all know that upstart, MrPlow, and Arthur T Knackerbracket are bots.
[22:02:02] <Bytram> Don't get me wrong, I *do* appreciate the bot subs. But by the time I'm finished with a bot sub, I've basically written the story from scratch!
[22:05:19] <Bytram> IOW I do not believe that someone who gave a URL to a bot should get the same credit for a story as someone who submitted a publication-ready story.
[22:06:46] <Bytram> BTW, unless you go out of your way to take a look, takyon has provided us an *incredible* service with the 5736 stories he has provided us! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[22:06:50] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[22:06:50] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[22:08:49] * Bytram has been meaning to revise the HoF code so that authors are NOT excluded from the story submission counts... instead of nicks, maybe show 15 or 20 and put an asterisk or some other marker to identify them as an editor on the site.
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[22:10:49] <Bytram> whereto? https://arstechnica.com
[22:10:50] <systemd> ^ 03Meet the community still obsessing over Mass Effect 2 10 years later
[22:10:51] <exec> └─ 13Meet the community still obsessing over Mass Effect 2 10 years later | Ars Technica
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[22:37:05] <Bytram> spiraldancing !!