#editorial | Logs for 2020-02-06

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[02:22:12] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:22:14] <systemd> Submitting "Choosing common pain relievers: It's complicated: Researchers examine benefits and risks of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs"...
[02:22:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "08Choosing Common Pain Relievers: It's Complicated: Researchers Examine Benefits and Risks of Nonstero" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:23:38] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:23:39] <systemd> Submitting "Newest solar telescope produces first images: Preeminent telescope to play critical role in better understanding sun, space weather"...
[02:23:50] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:23:51] <systemd> Submitting "Pluto's icy heart makes winds blow"...
[02:24:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "08Newest Solar Telescope Produces First Images: Preeminent Telescope to Play Critical Role in Better U" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:24:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pluto's Icy Heart Makes Winds Blow" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:24:27] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:24:29] <systemd> Submitting "Scientists unravel mystery of photosynthesis"...
[02:24:47] <chromas> Needs moar colors
[02:24:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Unravel Mystery of Photosynthesis" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:25:02] <chromas> Or colours for Metric English speakers
[02:25:28] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:25:29] <systemd> Submitting "Sand dunes can 'communicate' with each other"...
[02:25:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Sand Dunes Can 'communicate' With Each Other" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:26:01] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:26:02] <systemd> Submitting "Supercomputers help link quantum entanglement to cold coffee"...
[02:26:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Supercomputers Help Link Quantum Entanglement to Cold Coffee" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:29:53] <Bytram> =submit from the what's-in-your-box-of-cereal dept. https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:29:54] <systemd> Submitting "Water, water everywhere, and it's weirder than you think"...
[02:30:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Water, Water Everywhere, and It's Weirder Than You Think" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:47:12] <Fnord666> Evening all!
[02:49:41] * Deucalion points at Fnord666
[02:50:30] <Bytram> Fnord666: hiya!
[02:50:40] * Bytram points at Fnord666
[02:50:54] <Fnord666> oh that looks handy!
[02:50:58] <Fnord666> chromas++
[02:50:58] <Bender> karma - chromas: 119
[02:51:10] <Bytram> Handy? That's a good point!
[02:51:18] <Fnord666> Evening All!
[02:51:28] <chromas> =g'evening Fnord666
[02:51:28] * systemd hideously tosses a wallet of eye drops to Fnord666
[02:51:40] <Fnord666> ~gevening chromas
[02:51:49] <Bytram> =gday Fnord666
[02:51:49] * systemd literally prepares your mom's bra, full of dag for Fnord666
[02:51:53] <Fnord666> Hiya Bytram
[02:52:06] <Fnord666> -gday Bytram
[02:52:10] <chromas> =g'mornin' Deucalion
[02:52:10] * systemd unnecessarily steals a caravan of cocaine from Deucalion
[02:52:14] <Fnord666> =gday Bytram
[02:52:15] * systemd slowly hangs a trigger warning sign about a kilobyte of facebook memes on Bytram
[02:52:27] <Fnord666> =g'evening chromas
[02:52:28] * systemd single-candidly ejaculates a raid 1 volume of spaghetti at chromas
[02:52:39] <chromas> Yeah, spaghetti!
[02:52:44] <Bytram> Fnord666: Do note I have a story scheduled to go out about 9 hours from now.
[02:52:48] * chromas checks his sweater already
[02:52:55] <Fnord666> I was just going through it
[02:53:09] <Bytram> x
[02:53:10] <Fnord666> The timing caught my eye
[02:53:11] <Bytram> tx
[02:53:16] <Bytram> good eye!
[02:53:26] <Fnord666> and I wondered why?
[02:53:35] <Bytram> weye?
[02:55:43] <Fnord666> Honestly I did find the transition from a discussion about story timing and site navigation tracking into subscriptions impacting story selection a bit jarring
[02:56:54] <Fnord666> I need to read over the source article again
[02:57:42] <Bytram> If we had only one story each day, it would get all the attention, but may only interest a handful of people. If we had 50 stories a day, there is an excellent chance that everyone will see at least one story they like. But, with so many stories, people will likely be so busy reading so many stories that they have little time left to comment. The trick is to find enough stories that people will find a couple stories that catch their
[02:57:42] <Bytram> eye, and encourage discussion, without putting an undue burden on us editors.
[02:58:45] <Fnord666> absolutely and that's understandable
[02:59:10] <Bytram> Just wanted to make sure we are on the same page, so to speak^W write.
[02:59:30] <Bytram> I am entirely open to a better segue.
[02:59:42] <Fnord666> but what are we trying to say about how stories and subscriptions are tied together, and how does that relate to ^^^^^^
[03:00:06] <Bytram> Likely needs a sentence or two that are specific to the article, and then something to transition over to SN.
[03:00:21] <Bytram> Umm.
[03:00:52] <Bytram> Hey! If they are getting more subscriptions and readership, why don't *we* do that?
[03:01:46] <Bytram> Well, I have never let the thought of subscriptions enter my mind when processing story submissions.
[03:02:11] * Fnord666 has a tiny led light pop on above my head
[03:02:35] <Bytram> My main thought is about how it will interest the community and trying to keep some kind of balance with the overall "topics"
[03:02:36] <Fnord666> I had the cart and the horse in different barns
[03:02:59] <Bytram> Some sciene, some astronomy, some random thing to spark discussion, etc.
[03:03:13] <Bytram> So we are seeing eye-to-eye now?
[03:03:14] <chromas> !grab Fnord666
[03:03:14] <Bender> Added quote 88
[03:03:16] <Fnord666> we aren't talking about whether a story was selected because it submitted by a subscriber or not
[03:03:26] <Bytram> Oh! NOT AT ALL!
[03:03:44] <chromas> inb4 reddit guilding
[03:03:58] <Fnord666> but whether the story was selected in the hopes that it will drive/encourage a subscription
[03:04:19] <Fnord666> as the topic
[03:04:23] <Fnord666> got it
[03:04:27] <Bytram> If we produce a good selection of interesting stories that fosters engaging commentary, I trust the subscriptions will, ultimately, take care of themselves.
[03:04:54] <Fnord666> !grab Bytram
[03:04:54] <Bender> Added quote 89
[03:05:07] <Fnord666> Exactly Bytram
[03:05:14] <Bytram> So I focus on story selection and what I think works for the community, and ignore subscriptioms.
[03:06:09] <Fnord666> I can honestly say that I had never considered subscriptions as a factor in story selection.
[03:07:47] <Fnord666> I try to pick stories that will hopefully be of interest to the community at large and that will hopefully drive meaningful commentary.
[03:07:59] <Bytram> That said, the community is not a *thing* but a constantly-changing and evolving entity depending on what is happening in the world, what we have recently published, comments on those earlier stories that have been read by members of the community. These all blend together to create something with a constantly changing set of interests and appreciations.
[03:08:12] <Bytram> !grb Fnord666
[03:08:16] <Bytram> !grab Fnord666
[03:08:16] <Bender> Added quote 90
[03:08:44] <Fnord666> Good point Bytram
[03:09:32] <Bytram> Seems to me that we are seeing things the same way. I am fully willing to have what I put out there updated to better convey those concepts.
[03:10:40] <Fnord666> Yep. Let me go back now and re-read the upcoming story. In the meantime I'll look through the submissions queue and fill in the gap
[03:11:11] <Bytram> I'm gonna take a short break (few minutes) see if you have any feedback, and then consider making another try for bed. =)
[03:11:26] <Bytram> I'm gonna take a short break (few minutes), then see if you have any feedback, and then consider making another try for bed. =)
[03:11:33] <Bytram> afk
[03:15:54] <Fnord666> Ok, on a second read it looks pretty good.
[03:18:35] <Fnord666> Any way to reword "Subscriptions have absolutely no part in our editorial decisions" in the tl;dr: part?
[03:21:32] <Fnord666> Unfortunately my wordsmithery is not coming up with anything better yet.
[03:22:10] <Fnord666> I think that was the sentence that threw me off.
[03:24:05] <Fnord666> "Increasing subscriptions is not a goal or consideration during the story selection process"?
[03:24:43] <Fnord666> "Increasing subscriptions is not a factor during the story selection process"?
[03:24:57] <chromas> "We want your moneys but we won't consider it while picking stories"
[03:25:12] <Fnord666> :)
[03:25:35] <chromas> then set the dept to wink
[03:25:53] <Fnord666> at least not until the profit sharing plan kicks in?
[03:51:28] <Bytram> I reworked what you !grabbed earlier. See how this would fit in:
[03:51:29] <Bytram> <Bytram> If we produce a good selection of interesting stories that fosters engaging commentary, I trust the subscriptions will, ultimately, take care of themselves.
[03:51:37] <Bytram> tuh toh; wrong one.
[03:51:53] <Bytram> If we provide a good selection of interesting stories that fosters engaging commentary, the subscriptions will, ultimately, take care of themselves. Trying to select stories that we think will encourage subscriptions has the cart before the horse.
[03:52:34] <Fnord666> I like that
[03:52:56] <Fnord666> Apologies for keeping you up though.
[03:53:29] * Deucalion observes the editorial life. Does not compute.
[03:53:58] <Bytram> Not a problem! Realized I was hungry, so made a couple sandwiches... and ate them, too!
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[04:05:54] <Fnord666> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[04:05:57] <systemd> <p><b>Multipartite Entanglement Structure in the Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis</b>, <cite>Physical Review Letters</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.040605">doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.040605</a>)</p>
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[04:08:07] <Bytram> #yt vitameatavegamin
[04:08:08] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Vitameatavegamin
[04:22:38] <Fnord666> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[04:22:59] <Fnord666> #smake systemd
[04:22:59] * MrPlow smakes systemd upside the head with loose change
[04:23:32] <Fnord666> gonna have to do it the old fashioned way I guess
[04:23:56] <Fnord666> :)
[04:24:54] <chromas> Ugh. I've gotta figure out why it does that. It just sorta hangs. It's not using up cpu so it should've be an infinite loop or anything
[05:32:57] * Bytram eyes don't want to stay open; heading to bed.
[05:33:06] <Bytram> Have a great night everyone!
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[07:45:24] <carny> =submit breaking https://www.theregister.co.uk beware-closed-source-even-drivers
[07:45:25] <systemd> Submitting "Sketchy behavior? Wacom tablet drivers phone home with names, times of every app opened on your computer"...
[07:45:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "08Sketchy Behavior? Wacom Tablet Drivers Phone Home With Names, Times of Every App Opened on Your Comp" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[08:45:13] <spiraldancing> I want my ZNC ...
[08:46:49] <spiraldancing> Hola a todos
[08:47:17] <spiraldancing> Busy working on Life ATM, but awake and attentive to IRC ...
[08:47:36] <janrinok> ~gday spiraldancing
[08:48:38] <spiraldancing> Howdy janrinok
[08:48:58] <janrinok> still having problems with your domain and website?
[08:50:45] <spiraldancing> Mostly resolved ... still need to do some more clean-up, updates, config tweaks, stuff like that. But the site's up and running again.
[08:51:00] <janrinok> good to hear. Did the dog help much?
[08:52:25] <spiraldancing> Moral support.
[08:53:02] <janrinok> that's a "goodest dog" attribute
[09:24:16] <carny> =submit breaking https://www.theregister.co.uk check-your-sudo-configs
[09:24:17] <systemd> Submitting "Oh ****... Sudo has a 'make anyone root' bug that needs to be patched – if you're unlucky enough to enable pwfeedback"...
[09:24:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "08Oh ****... Sudo Has a 'make Anyone Root' Bug That Needs to be Patched – If You're Unlucky Enough t" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:35:13] <chromas> "Most distros unaffected unless defaults were changed, but do check"
[09:36:00] <chromas> Time to rewrite sudo in rust
[09:41:00] <chromas> "A sudo replacement is the next feature to be added to systemd."
[09:41:27] <chromas> Little does he know, it already has a feature people complained about being a replacement for sudo
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[12:33:49] <Bytram> ~time x
[12:33:56] <Bytram> heh, no bot.
[13:11:27] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[13:11:28] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter shows growth as it bans political ads ( https://www.cnet.com )
[13:13:48] <Bytram> =g giga texas?
[13:13:49] <systemd> https://www.reddit.com - Giga Texas : teslamotors
[13:14:00] <Bytram> =g giga texas? -reddit
[13:14:01] <systemd> https://twitter.com - Elon Musk on Twitter: "Giga Texas?"
[13:29:43] <janrinok> Bytram, hello!
[13:32:26] <Bytram> Hiya!
[13:32:35] <janrinok> how's things?
[13:33:33] <Bytram> Doing all right. Woke up earlier than I wanted (0530 local time) after staying up too late (1230), but otherwise I'm doing okay!
[13:33:42] * Bytram plans to take a nap today.
[13:33:49] <Bytram> How's S doing?
[13:35:42] <janrinok> she is doing fine thanks. we have very unseasonal warm spell so she is making the most of sitting in front of the large window enjoying the sunlight. However, storms are forecast for the weekend.
[13:36:39] <Bytram> Enjoy it while you can! We have snow, sleet, rain, and freezing rain for today and tomorrow
[13:37:26] <janrinok> Question - is Casper just a mattress company? It seems an unusual story for us but Takyon submitted it and you have processed it, so it must have some interest in the USA?
[13:38:01] <janrinok> like the witty dept though....
[13:38:47] <Bytram> Unicorn, I'm assuming. A company that was once thought to be worth over one billion dollars is not valued much less than that. I'm not at all sure, but seem to recall that they may only sell on-line?
[13:38:57] <Bytram> s/not/now/
[13:39:02] <Bytram> Unicorn, I'm assuming. A company that was once thought to be worth over one billion dollars is now valued much less than that. I'm not at all sure, but seem to recall that they may only sell on-line?
[13:39:31] <janrinok> np - never heard of them over here so it struck me as an unusual subject
[13:41:04] <janrinok> I see that it is possible to buy them in both France and the UK, but they are still not a big name as far as I am aware
[13:41:22] <Bytram> =g casper mattress
[13:41:23] <systemd> https://casper.com - The Best Bed for Better Sleep | Casper®
[13:41:36] <Bytram> So they have a web site...
[13:43:02] <Bytram> apparently, they have stores, too: https://stores.casper.com
[13:43:02] <systemd> ^ 03Casper Mattress Stores Near You
[13:43:47] <Bytram> "A better night's sleep is now closer than you think. We've partnered with top retailers to bring our award-winning sleep products to more than 2,000 stores nationwide. "
[13:44:26] <Bytram> =g casper mattress wikipedia
[13:44:27] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Casper Sleep - Wikipedia
[13:47:11] <Bytram> Aha! "Casper mattresses consist of four types of foam, memory foam, and polyurethane support foam.[27] Casper mattresses were previously only sold online but in 2019, they began launching retail locations after piloting successful pop-up shops in large cities like New York and Los Angeles. Each mattress is been sold with a 100-day return policy. Returned mattresses have been donated"
[13:49:39] <janrinok> The only source of their mattress in France seems to be online, but I suppose it could be stocked in any of thousands of 'literie' throughout France
[13:49:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:50:17] <janrinok> I've just replaced my mattress and it cost much more than their offerings
[13:50:23] <Bytram> not worth it to me to enable javascript to view any more of their web site.
[13:50:33] <Bytram> Yours will prolly last longer, too.
[13:51:03] <janrinok> but not as long as your gran's mattress it seems
[13:51:06] <Bytram> Over time, foam tends to break down... at least in my experience. Only flexes so many times.
[13:51:56] * janrinok thinks all this talk about mattresses is making him feel tired again....
[13:51:57] <Bytram> Well, quite frankly, it does sag a bit in the middle, but the springs they used back then were far more rugged than what you'd find today!
[13:53:04] <janrinok> springs strong enough to support the weight of a car in its day!
[13:54:37] <Bytram> Well... maybe a hot wheels or a tonka truck!
[13:55:10] <janrinok> OK, perhaps that was a slight exaggeration
[13:56:46] <Bytram> =submit https://www.vice.com
[13:56:49] <systemd> Submitting "The CIA’s Infamous, Unsolved Cryptographic Puzzle Gets a ‘Final Clue’"...
[13:57:04] <janrinok> Seems to be more off-topic submissions than there used to be
[13:57:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The CIA’s Infamous, Unsolved Cryptographic Puzzle Gets a ‘Final Clue’" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:57:19] <janrinok> lol I was typing that as you were making your submission - nothing personal!
[13:57:46] <Bytram> =g giga texas? -reddit -elonmusk
[13:57:46] <systemd> https://seekingalpha.com - Musk asks Twitter about 'Giga Texas' - Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA ...
[14:00:37] <Bytram> =submit from the everything-is-bigger-in-Texas dept. https://www.reuters.com
[14:00:39] <systemd> Submitting "'Giga Texas?' Musk asks Twitter users to vote on new gigafactory"...
[14:01:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Giga Texas?' Musk Asks Twitter Users to Vote on New Gigafactory" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:02:32] <janrinok> time for a cup of tea!
[14:02:45] <Bytram> and time for a break for me, too.
[14:03:11] <Bytram> janrinok: Give S a nice, big hug n kiss for me (and you!)
[14:07:45] <Bytram> back in less than an hour or so.
[14:10:36] <janrinok> k
[15:01:07] <janrinok> stuffing the subs queue prior to the weekend
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[20:57:06] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[20:57:08] <systemd> ^ 03FCC reaches deal with satellite industry to free up more 5G spectrum ( https://www.cnet.com )
[20:57:16] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for the story stuffing!
[21:14:59] <Bytram> break time
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[21:50:24] <Bytram> =ccp physics princeton
[21:50:29] <Bytram> =g ccp physics princeton
[21:50:30] <systemd> https://phy.princeton.edu - Princeton Physics
[21:50:40] <Bytram> =g "CCP" physics princeton
[21:50:41] <systemd> https://collaborate.princeton.edu - The universal edge physics in fractional quantum hall liquids ...
[21:57:07] <Bytram> =g good day mister aderton
[21:57:08] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Good Morning, Mr. Rooster | Super Simple Songs - YouTube
[21:57:16] <Bytram> =g good day mister "aderton"
[21:57:16] <systemd> https://www.sec.gov - Compliance Outreach Program 2016 National Seminar-Speaker Bios
[21:57:26] <Bytram> =g welcome back "aderton"
[21:57:27] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Steve Aderton - Forever - preview - YouTube
[21:59:18] <Bytram> =g minority report aderton
[21:59:19] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Minority Report - Wikipedia
[22:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, Bytram, can we publish everything ari's stuck in the queue on april 1?
[22:02:46] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders making an aristarchus nexus so people can turn it off
[22:07:31] <chromas> make it a shitposting nexus
[22:07:33] <chromas> or the poo glyph
[22:07:42] <chromas> in fact, just rename the politics one
[22:17:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: as attractive as that may sound, once that had been done it would set a precedent which would be hard to ignore for other vocal members of the community
[22:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it could be a temporary nexus, just for the day.
[22:18:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, your wisdom oozes from every orifice
[22:19:09] <carny> what's the number to call if you witness a potentially infected patient oozing?
[22:20:15] <Bytram> I understand, but something about it still rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is just trying to have fun at the expense of someone else. Which is something that had been done to me far too many times.
[22:20:22] * Bytram vote naye!
[22:20:49] <Bytram> =g "&#160;"
[22:20:50] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Quotation mark - Wikipedia
[22:21:23] <Bytram> =g unicode decimal numeric entities 160
[22:21:23] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - List of XML and HTML character entity references - Wikipedia
[22:22:21] * Bytram thought so... &#160; is the same as &nbsp;
[22:23:11] <chromas> The type of thing that doesn't belong in news articles
[22:23:28] <chromas> junk--
[22:23:28] <Bender> karma - junk: -1
[22:29:06] <Bytram> =g junque
[22:29:06] <systemd> https://www.urbandictionary.com - junque - Urban Dictionary
[22:29:19] <chromas> Is that the Brit spelling?
[22:29:23] * Bytram was just guessing!
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[23:08:02] <chromas> bloomberg--
[23:08:02] <Bender> karma - bloomberg: -1
[23:08:30] <chromas> "Electric Power Research Institute study that estimates all blade waste through 2050 would equal roughly .015% of all the municipal solid waste going to landfills in 2015 alone."
[23:08:42] <chromas> they mention this study but no link. Can't find it on the interwebs either
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[23:33:42] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
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[23:33:43] <systemd> ^ 03Uber's fourth-quarter earnings show losses, but they're shrinking ( https://www.cnet.com )
[23:34:08] * Bytram notes we have start weekend story spacing... ~2h21m between stories
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[23:42:22] <Bytram> While most puns
[23:42:22] <Bytram> make me feel numb,
[23:42:22] <Bytram> mathematics puns
[23:42:22] <Bytram> make me feel number.
[23:42:24] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[23:42:25] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[23:43:29] <Bytram> time to run some errands
[23:43:35] <Bytram> laters!