#editorial | Logs for 2020-01-13
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[08:11:30] <janrinok> Bytram, thinking on more about your Meta, you might mention that potential eds must be prepared to have a user account - one cannot edit as AC.
[08:12:22] <janrinok> ... but there is nothing to prevent commenting as an AC even if one has a user account.
[08:43:36] <janrinok> =cite https://www.sciencedaily.com
[08:43:36] <systemd> <p><b>Cancer: Giving entire course of radiation treatment in less than a second is feasible: Findings related to FLASH radiotherapy could pave a new path for the future for cancer therapy</b>, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)</p>
[08:43:37] <exec> └─ 13Cancer: Giving entire course of radiation treatment in less than a second is feasible: Findings related to FLASH radiotherapy could pave a new path for the future for cancer therapy -- ScienceDaily
[08:43:38] <exec> └─ 13Page Not Found
[08:45:02] <chromas> I guess it could throw an error when it finds nothing to cite
[08:58:14] <janrinok> I don't mind - the results are clear to see and not confusing
[17:47:58] <Bytram> janrinok++ Hi! So much appreciated! Both the review, and the offer to train!
[17:47:58] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 80
[17:48:52] <Bytram> Good point about needing to have an account to be able to moderate... thanks!
[17:49:12] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram I've just sat down and you appeared too
[17:49:15] * exec unnecessarily offers a shitload of limp carrots to Bytram
[17:49:25] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[17:49:27] * exec overratedly combines a finger of signed ints with janrinok
[17:49:50] * Bytram decides to add his limp carrots to a stew
[17:50:13] <janrinok> if they are already limp you won't know when they are cooked
[17:51:36] <Bytram> just means it will cook faster!
[17:52:34] <janrinok> fair point
[17:52:42] <Bytram> do bear with me... Inventory was last night, and as best as I can recall, I clocked out at 0245; Home by about 0315 and to bed by 0330. Only slept about 4 hours. :/
[17:52:55] <janrinok> go back to bed!
[17:52:55] <Bytram> =g stone soup
[17:52:56] <systemd> https://stonesoup.com - Stone Soup – Stories, Poems, and Art by Young Creatives
[17:52:58] <Bytram> lol
[17:53:01] <exec> └─ 13Stone Soup – Stories, Poems, and Art by Young Creatives
[17:53:23] <Bytram> just checking in to catch up on backscrool and to finish writing up the request for help.
[17:54:04] <Bytram> Am thinking that something more definite (instead of humorous) might be in order.
[17:54:39] <janrinok> no strong feeling either way - go with your mood
[17:55:34] <Bytram> =g moody blues
[17:55:35] <systemd> https://www.moodybluestoday.com - The Moody Blues | Official Site
[17:55:38] <exec> └─ 13The Moody Blues | Official Site
[17:55:39] <Bytram> =)
[17:55:44] <janrinok> great band
[17:56:05] <Bytram> =g nights in white satin
[17:56:06] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - The Moody Blues - Nights In White Satin - YouTube
[17:56:08] <exec> └─ 13The Moody Blues - Nights In White Satin - YouTube
[17:56:21] * Bytram wasn't certain it was "Nights" and not "Knights"
[17:56:23] <Bytram> ;)
[17:56:40] <Bytram> Sounds like fodder for a Monty Python skit!
[17:57:05] <janrinok> no it doesn't - I'm sorry, do you want the long argument?
[17:57:27] <Bytram> =g he's a lumberjack and he's okay
[17:57:28] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Monty Python - Lumberjack Song (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube
[17:57:30] <exec> └─ 13Monty Python - Lumberjack Song (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube
[17:57:53] <janrinok> you have rather diverse taste in music
[17:57:56] <Bytram> If lumberjacks can where frilly stuff, why not knights?
[17:58:06] <Bytram> you have *no* idea!
[17:58:54] <Bytram> Last night during inventory, our manager brought in a nice speaker system and played requests (her hubby is the owner of the largest DJ company in our state)
[17:59:14] <Bytram> each of us, in turn, got to call out requests which she'd pull up on Spotify.
[17:59:23] <Bytram> She's about half my age.
[17:59:40] <Bytram> #yt torvil and dean bolero
[17:59:40] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Torvill & Dean Bolero 1984 Olympic Winning Routine
[17:59:42] <janrinok> brilliant - that's the sort of boss who gets the best out of her team
[18:00:05] <Bytram> also brought a couple pizzas and 2 6-packs of Gatorade(TM)
[18:00:25] <cmn32480> she cute too?
[18:00:31] <Bytram> so, seems she had never before heard Bolero...
[18:00:43] <cmn32480> says bytram dodging the question
[18:00:47] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[18:00:48] * exec unknowingly queefs a carload of void pointers at cmn32480
[18:00:55] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:00:57] * exec defiantly experiences $30 worth of used beans with janrinok
[18:01:06] <Bytram> Could barely hear it when it first started because it was so quiet, but she really got into it as it went on.
[18:01:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: kinda, but is also married.
[18:01:23] <Bytram> ~gday MrPlow
[18:01:25] * exec tragically ejaculates a goblet of biscuitless gravy at MrPlow
[18:01:28] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[18:01:30] * exec literally refactors a flute of shame for cmn32480
[18:01:40] <janrinok> brb 5
[18:01:43] <Bytram> cmn32480: Oh, hi!
[18:01:55] <Bytram> Quick question, for either of ya...
[18:01:57] <cmn32480> bytram's previous statement almost sounds dirty... "Could barely hear it when it first started because it was so quiet, but she really got into it as it went on."
[18:02:11] <Bytram> ROFL!
[18:02:16] <cmn32480> YOU SAID IT!
[18:02:24] <Bytram> get your mind out of the gutter young man!
[18:02:35] <cmn32480> no.
[18:02:37] <Bytram> you misinterpreted it!
[18:02:43] <Bytram> np
[18:02:44] <cmn32480> it is currently right where it belogngs, thankyouverymuch\
[18:03:17] <Bytram> anyway, the Dell Latitude 6400 has been running great. Thank you very much!
[18:03:36] <cmn32480> glad to hear it
[18:03:46] <cmn32480> but more importantly, how are YOU doing?
[18:03:52] <Bytram> Local Goodwill had Latitude 6410s on sale... $25.00 each (used, of course)
[18:03:54] <cmn32480> dexterity and all I mean
[18:04:00] <Bytram> okay
[18:04:38] <Bytram> I'm doing better at buttoning dress shirts, but that mkay be as much from adapting as getting better.
[18:04:57] <Bytram> also, still hit Caps Lock by accident more than I'd like
[18:04:59] <cmn32480> nothign wrong with adaptin.
[18:05:24] <cmn32480> I mean, I still miss my mouth with the spoon occassionally
[18:05:56] <Bytram> so the 6410s came with no disk drives, so I picked up 1TB Samsung 860 EVOs for each of them, just like I put into the 6400.
[18:06:19] <cmn32480> I hitws caps all the time
[18:06:26] <cmn32480> and my typoing hasn't improved in years
[18:06:36] <cmn32480> nice
[18:06:43] <cmn32480> creating your own laptop farm?
[18:06:56] <Bytram> Am I courting disaster to clone the drive in the 6400 and put it in the 6410?
[18:07:37] <cmn32480> probably not... but no guarantees that everythign runs right
[18:07:39] <Bytram> #1 for upgrade, #2 for linux, #3 for spare parts or replacing one of the others if they die.
[18:07:42] <cmn32480> probably have different hardware
[18:07:46] <Bytram> k...
[18:07:48] <Bytram> just aminunte
[18:08:05] <cmn32480> so I'd ahve a driver disk handy
[18:08:53] <Bytram> Heh. It *does* come with a Win 7 Pro license for refurbed PCs!
[18:09:08] <Bytram> umm, where can I get a "driver disk" ??
[18:10:06] <Bytram> If I felt lucky, I would just pull the drive out of the 6400 & drop it into the 6410, but I think that is courting disaster.
[18:10:32] <cmn32480> https://support.dell.com
[18:10:33] <systemd> ^ 03Access Denied ( https://www.dell.com )
[18:10:34] <exec> └─ 13Access Denied
[18:10:35] <exec> └─ 13404 - File or directory not found.
[18:11:13] <cmn32480> plug in the service tag and off you go
[18:11:44] <janrinok> back now - cmn, Bytram is adapting to your method of typing although I will confess he still has some way to go before he motches yuor spilling
[18:12:33] <Bytram> janrinok: looks like you have it maxstered
[18:12:39] <janrinok> lol
[18:12:49] <janrinok> a new word!
[18:13:13] <Bytram> Hmmm
[18:13:19] <Bytram> =g maxstered
[18:13:20] <systemd> [0 results]
[18:13:27] <Bytram> how about that!
[18:13:31] <janrinok> nice try!
[18:14:15] <Bytram> FWIW, the 6410 had 4GB ram and an i5, so I would like to think it would be a bit of a performance improvement
[18:15:27] <janrinok> I've updated motherboards with multiple cores and simply plugged hard drives in, but I'm not sure if Windows will do the same
[18:16:09] <Bytram> cmn32480: Oh, I (think I) get it now ( WRT driver disk) tx!
[18:16:19] <janrinok> There is no reason why it couldn't - but that doesn't mean that the software isn't locked to a specific motherboard or CPU
[18:16:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:17:00] <Bytram> and, although these are SSDs, I'm limited by USB speeds for copying them. :P
[18:17:17] <Bytram> ~10MB/s (IIRC)
[18:17:40] <Bytram> or maybe 50MB? Cam't remember.
[18:18:00] <janrinok> if you have a spare computer just plug them both into the same computer and simply use a linux live disk to copy them - it copies at the speed of drive read/writes
[18:18:39] <Bytram> good idea, but /me only has these laptops...
[18:18:52] <cmn32480> USB 2.0 is 400mbps if memory serves
[18:19:09] <Bytram> (well, I have some ancient desktops, but now we are talking win XP or ME era)
[18:19:18] <cmn32480> pre-SATA
[18:19:23] <janrinok> if you ever get the chance to pick up an old desktop do so - it will save you oodles of time
[18:20:02] <janrinok> you can get SATA converters for cents not dollars
[18:20:26] <cmn32480> but you are still limited to the max speed of the parent interface
[18:20:50] <janrinok> still faster than USB isn't it?
[18:20:54] <cmn32480> actualyl, I think the 6400 has aneSATA connector on it
[18:21:09] <cmn32480> *an eSATA connector
[18:21:29] * Bytram is looking at tech specs pdf right now.
[18:21:37] <Bytram> yes, an eSATA
[18:21:50] <Bytram> also 2x USB 2.0
[18:21:59] <Bytram> =g USB 2.0 speed
[18:22:00] <systemd> https://superuser.com - What's the maximum typical speed possible with a USB2.0 drive ...
[18:22:02] <exec> └─ 13usb - What's the maximum typical speed possible with a USB2.0 drive? - Super User
[18:22:12] <cmn32480> so if you ahve an enclosure w/ SATA that will be lots faster than USB
[18:23:01] <cmn32480> or even the ability to power it while using eSATA...
[18:24:03] * Bytram bought an enclosure which had USB C with fallback to USB 2.0 (I *think* I got that right)
[18:24:34] <cmn32480> ~g max speed of usbc
[18:24:45] <cmn32480> =g max speed of usbc
[18:24:45] <systemd> https://www.pcworld.com - USB Type C speed test: Here's how slow your laptop's port could be ...
[18:24:47] <exec> └─ 13USB Type C speed test: Here's how slow your laptop's port could be | PCWorld
[18:24:47] <Bytram> has the "old" connector on it
[18:25:00] <janrinok> I backup my backups using a old desktop - no panels, just the frame (it makes swapping drives simple) and it leaves me free to use my computers while it does the copying job
[18:26:01] <Bytram> Looks like ~43MB/sec for USB 2.0: http://www.cypress.com
[18:26:27] <janrinok> although I did have to purchase a drive caddy for doing a similar task when I am away from home
[18:26:47] <Bytram> USB 2.0 Theoretical max is 53MB/s, actual/practical max is ~43MB/s
[18:26:50] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:27:47] <cmn32480> so start before bed, and by the time you are ready to go to bed next thursday it will be done!
[18:28:28] <janrinok> lol
[18:28:50] <janrinok> that's a single shift for Bytram, or so it seems nowadays
[18:29:02] <Bytram> that would be great... except I have a studio apt, and the monitor (43" UHD TV) faces my bed.
[18:29:26] <Bytram> janrinok: I'm in hopes that THAT season is behind me for a while.
[18:29:39] <janrinok> do it before you go to work - then it will be finished long before you get home again
[18:30:52] <cmn32480> your monitor has a power button on it, right?
[18:31:16] <janrinok> typical cmn32480 - always asking the difficult technical questions...
[18:31:21] <cmn32480> or it could be on the left... depending on the designer
[18:31:28] <Bytram> ROFL!
[18:31:43] <Bytram> or whether or not I am standing on my head?
[18:31:48] <Bytram> ;)
[18:32:06] <cmn32480> 'zactly
[18:33:15] <Bytram> that's the other thing, I'm i hopes that the new lappy can drive the monitor at more than the current resolution which I have set to a custom 2200x1200
[18:33:28] <Bytram> s/ i / in /
[18:33:29] <exec> <Bytram> that's the other thing, I'm in hopes that the new lappy can drive the monitor at more than the current resolution which I have set to a custom 2200x1200
[18:34:01] <cmn32480> 640x480 shoulkd be enough for anybody
[18:35:06] <janrinok> cmn32480, your typing would be more readable if you ROT13 it before it appears on the screen ;)
[18:35:09] <Bytram> =g resolution CGA
[18:35:10] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Color Graphics Adapter - Wikipedia
[18:35:12] <exec> └─ 13Color Graphics Adapter - Wikipedia
[18:35:17] <Bytram> =g resolution MGA
[18:35:18] <systemd> http://www.resolutionunderwriting.com - ReSolution Underwriting Partnership Ltd
[18:35:21] <exec> └─ 13ReSolution Underwriting Partnership Ltd
[18:35:22] <Bytram> lol
[18:35:57] <cmn32480> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:35:58] <systemd> ^ 03Display resolution - Wikipedia
[18:35:59] <exec> └─ 13Display resolution - Wikipedia
[18:36:03] <cmn32480> see the chart on the right
[18:36:31] * janrinok looked to his right and saw his wardrobe - that didn't help
[18:36:39] <Bytram> CGA == 640x200 (monochrome)
[18:37:00] <Bytram> janrinok: is not looking at the right, right
[18:37:59] <janrinok> ah, right, er OK, the other right. I'm finding that look at my wall isn't that much of a help either
[18:38:09] <janrinok> looking*
[18:38:25] <Bytram> =g right turn clyde
[18:38:26] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Right Turn Clyde Compilation - YouTube
[18:38:28] <exec> └─ 13Right Turn Clyde Compilation - YouTube
[18:46:54] <Bytram> Ohhhh... https://superuser.com
[18:46:55] <systemd> ^ 03Speed comparison between USB 2.0, USB 3.0, eSATA, Firewire and Thunderbolt
[18:46:56] <exec> └─ 13usb 3 - Speed comparison between USB 2.0, USB 3.0, eSATA, Firewire and Thunderbolt - Super User
[18:47:10] <Bytram> eSATA: 750 MB/s !!?!
[18:49:28] <cmn32480> something like that.
[18:49:43] <cmn32480> 3Gb/s I think is theoretical max
[18:50:15] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:50:16] <systemd> ^ 03Serial ATA - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[18:50:17] <exec> └─ 13Serial ATA - Wikipedia
[18:50:18] <exec> └─ 13Serial ATA - Wikipedia
[18:54:11] <Bytram> ^^^
[18:54:11] <Bytram> Prior to the final eSATA 6 Gbit/s specification many add-on cards and some motherboards advertised eSATA 6 Gbit/s support because they had 6 Gbit/s SATA 3.0 controllers for internal-only solutions. Those implementations are non-standard, and eSATA 6 Gbit/s requirements were ratified in the July 18, 2011 SATA 3.1 specification.[57] Some products might not be fully eSATA 6 Gbit/s compliant.
[18:55:12] <Bytram> so, may even be 6 Gb/s!?! Noice! Looks like I'll need to get me an external eSATA enclosure.
[19:01:13] <cmn32480> just make sure it is USB connected for extra speed!
[19:02:50] <Bytram> #smake cmn32480
[19:02:50] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a creampie
[19:03:05] * cmn32480 melts due to lactose intolerance
[19:03:38] <Bytram> ewwwww!
[19:03:54] <Bytram> don't worry... this, too, shall pass!
[19:04:06] <cmn32480> of course it means I melt inside and it comes out rather... expeditiously
[19:04:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:04:56] <Bytram> BTW, how goes/went the webinar?
[19:05:14] <cmn32480> which one?
[19:06:00] <cmn32480> it probably went well...
[19:06:07] <Bytram> I thought you'd mentioned about one today?
[19:06:21] <cmn32480> but I don't recall what I ate for breakfast...
[19:06:30] <Bytram> "corporate all hands webinar... somebody shoot me"
[19:06:38] <cmn32480> ahhh
[19:06:42] <cmn32480> death by powerpoint
[19:06:51] <Bytram> so sorrry
[19:07:30] <cmn32480> yeah... but my team was all in my office cracking jokes and generally not listening
[19:07:47] <Bytram> oh, that's much better!'
[19:08:03] <Bytram> Hrrm, how much is my time worth? https://www.bestbuy.com
[19:08:04] <systemd> ^ 03Access Denied
[19:08:12] <Bytram> ^^^ $68.99 atm
[19:12:54] <janrinok> gtg - have a good day guys
[19:13:41] <Bytram> janrinok: And the same to you! Thanks for the chat, and laughs!
[19:13:54] <janrinok> np - get some rest!
[19:14:42] <Bytram> will do, thanks!
[19:16:24] <Bytram> Wally World has the SDOCKU33EBV for $54.30 https://www.walmart.com
[19:16:25] <systemd> ^ 03StarTech.com eSATA / USB 3.0 SATA III HDD / SSD Docking Station with UASP - Storage controller - 2.5", 3.5" - eSATA - 6 GBps - USB 3.0 - black - Walmart.com
[19:23:11] <Bytram> B&H also has it for $54.30 https://www.bhphotovideo.com
[19:23:12] <systemd> ^ 03StarTech eSATA / USB 3.0 SATA III Hard Drive Docking Station
[19:23:13] <exec> └─ 13StarTech eSATA / USB 3.0 SATA III Hard Drive Docking SDOCKU33EBV
[19:25:13] <Bytram> break time
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[21:40:16] <cmn32480> #sammich
[21:40:16] * MrPlow whips up a last weeks chinese food sammich for cmn32480