#editorial | Logs for 2019-09-29

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[00:45:15] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.bbc.co.uk
[00:45:18] <exec> └─ 13Why much of the internet is closed off to blind people - BBC News
[00:45:19] <exec> 1016 stories loaded
[00:45:20] <exec> story not found
[01:00:23] <Bytram> =submit https://www.bbc.co.uk
[01:00:26] <upstart> Submitting "Why much of the internet is closed off to blind people"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.bbc.com )
[01:00:26] <exec> └─ 13Why much of the internet is closed off to blind people - BBC News
[01:00:48] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Why Much of the Internet is Closed Off to Blind People" (40 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:54:40] <Fnord666> odding Bytram
[01:54:53] <Bytram> evening!
[01:55:03] <Fnord666> :)
[01:55:13] * Bytram is watching Elon Musk make his Starship presentation
[01:55:41] <Bytram> here: http://www.youtube.com
[01:55:42] <upstart> ^ 03Starship Update ( https://www.youtube.com )
[01:55:43] <exec> └─ 13Starship Update - YouTube
[01:55:48] <Fnord666> So am I now....
[01:56:29] <Fnord666> thx for the link
[01:56:38] <Bytram> h2h!
[01:57:29] <Bytram> It started at timestamp of about 17:00
[01:57:38] <Bytram> I see 45:something now
[01:57:43] <Fnord666> cool to see the thrust vectoring on the starhopper jump
[01:58:17] <Bytram> first part was just a recap of Falcon 1, Grasshopper, Falcon 9, and Falcon Heavy
[01:58:30] <Bytram> yes!
[01:59:32] <Fnord666> Lol the Millenium Falcon for size comparison
[02:00:30] <Bytram> what impresses the daylights out of me is: How in the world can they gimble such tremendous forces? I mean, what kind of lubrication do they use?
[02:00:52] <Bytram> Oh, just now got the millenium F
[02:01:00] * Bytram must have a slow connection
[02:03:26] <Fnord666> I would like to know that as well re gimbaling engineering
[02:06:04] <Fnord666> Wow Elon almost sounds like a nrmal human being this eve
[02:08:33] <Fnord666> well he just finished in my stream
[02:09:22] <Bytram> right now, I have him talking about the sun dying eventually after burning up
[02:10:01] <Fnord666> That's pretty much the end
[02:10:18] <Fnord666> I'm jumping back to the start to catch it
[02:10:24] <Bytram> yep, just ended for me, too.
[02:11:05] <Bytram> Seems mostly to have been the same things I'd heard before. Except with a few more specifics about Starship instead of ITS
[02:11:57] <Fnord666> His "settlements" seem to really be ignoring the cosmic radiation thing due to lack of atmosphere
[02:12:25] <Bytram> and the example I saw showed a vast amount of open space inside a "dome"
[02:12:31] <Fnord666> I'm really expecting things to actually be built underground for the most part
[02:12:33] <Bytram> that dome does not come cheap;
[02:12:55] <Bytram> bring a few Bigelow space habs and cover them with regolith
[02:13:12] <Fnord666> That's closer to reality
[02:13:41] <Bytram> So, do you want to live underground on Mars? The Moon? Or Earth?
[02:13:47] <Bytram> =g Sealab 2020
[02:13:48] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Sealab 2020 - Wikipedia
[02:13:52] <Bytram> =)
[02:14:00] <Bytram> or, of course, underwater!
[02:14:12] <Bytram> =g gravity on mars
[02:14:13] <upstart> https://www.universetoday.com - How Strong is the Gravity on Mars? - Universe Today
[02:14:39] <Bytram> hey, if one of the bots could query Wolfram Alpha... =)
[02:15:31] <Bytram> Mars gravity is 62% that of Earth
[02:15:38] <Bytram> =g moon gravity
[02:15:39] <upstart> https://www.space.com - Falling on the Moon: How Much Gravity Do Astronauts Really Need ...
[02:15:57] <Fnord666> I think mars is about 1/3G
[02:16:00] <Bytram> wait
[02:16:09] <Bytram> 62% *lower*
[02:16:23] <Fnord666> 3.711 m/s
[02:16:24] <Bytram> so, that make sit 38% that of Earth
[02:16:36] * Bytram sits corrected. =)
[02:18:49] <Bytram> The moon has only 17% of Earth's gravity.
[02:19:23] <Bytram> Would make a *great* place to retire for those who are experiencing pain in their knee or hip joints
[02:20:06] <Bytram> And, with Starship, some folk would actually be able to afford it in a decade or two.
[02:20:16] <Bytram> =g The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
[02:20:17] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress - Wikipedia
[02:20:30] <Bytram> =g The Moon is a Harsh Mistress internet archive
[02:20:31] <upstart> https://archive.org - The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress : Robert Heinlein : Free Download ...
[02:22:00] <Bytram> https://archive.org
[02:22:01] <upstart> ^ 03Full text of "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress"
[02:22:02] <exec> └─ 13Full text of "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress"
[02:22:10] <Bytram> https://archive.org
[02:22:55] <Fnord666> one of my favorite authors
[02:24:59] <Bytram> I can grok that
[02:25:01] <Bytram> ;)
[02:25:44] <Bytram> I'd put that single story up near the tippy top of my favorites!
[02:25:49] <Fnord666> funny thing is that book is sitting on my desk right now and I am about to read it again
[02:25:56] <Bytram> kewel!
[02:26:08] <Bytram> hmm
[02:26:13] <Bytram> =g childhood's end
[02:26:14] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Childhood's End - Wikipedia
[02:26:22] <Bytram> =g childhood's end publication date
[02:26:22] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Childhood's End - Wikipedia
[02:26:26] <Bytram> lol
[02:26:40] <Bytram> 195
[02:26:42] <Bytram> 1953
[02:27:01] <Bytram> well, it's getting late and I'm back to work tomorrow.
[02:27:13] <Fnord666> So much of his writing as well as Asimov, Herbert and SF authors of that era had a great influence on my childhood and development
[02:27:19] <Fnord666> ok
[02:27:36] <Bytram> Before I go, though, just want to thank you again for all the stories you pushed out to make the time I needed to perform the investigation!
[02:27:41] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[02:27:42] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 105
[02:27:49] <Bytram> same here!
[02:27:49] <Fnord666> Oh hey, no problem.
[02:28:14] <Fnord666> Thank you for such a diligent and thorough investigation
[02:28:21] <Fnord666> Bytram++
[02:28:21] <Bender> karma - bytram: 81
[02:28:24] * Bytram Larry Niven once. Road along in a car that gave him a ride from Boston to upstate new work
[02:28:51] <Fnord666> that had to be awesome
[02:28:53] * Bytram *met* Larry Niven once. Road along in a car that gave him a ride from Boston to upstate New York
[02:29:07] <Bytram> actually, quite disappointing
[02:29:18] <Fnord666> funny how it sometimes works out like that
[02:29:44] <Bytram> An older guy in a tweedish suit and not that quick on his feet, so not much of a conversationalist
[02:29:51] <Fnord666> We put them on such a pedestal....
[02:30:21] <Bytram> looking back, now, I can see he was more of a deep thinker, and just assumed that because I could read one of his books in a day or two, that he would be that quick in person!
[02:30:39] <Bytram> one of my favorites of his was:
[02:30:55] <Bytram> =g man of steel woman of kleenex
[02:30:56] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex - Wikipedia
[02:31:03] <Bytram> also
[02:31:21] <Bytram> =g on the theory and practice of instant elsewhere devices
[02:31:21] <upstart> https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com - Anytime, Anywhere? An Introduction to the Devices, Markets, and ...
[02:31:26] <Fnord666> also Samuel L Delany for me
[02:31:32] <Bytram> =g on the theory and practice of teleportation
[02:31:32] <upstart> https://www.e-reading.club - THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF TELEPORTATION
[02:31:39] <Bytram> that's theone
[02:31:58] <Bytram> just realized I hadn't made dinner. :P
[02:32:13] <Bytram> guess I won't be turning in as soon as I had thought.
[02:32:21] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org(novel)
[02:32:22] <Bytram> back in a few minutes
[02:32:22] <upstart> ^ 03Nova (novel) - Wikipedia
[02:32:23] <exec> └─ 13Nova (novel) - Wikipedia
[02:32:33] <Bytram> don't think I read any ofhis stuff
[02:32:34] <Fnord666> Gotcha
[02:35:55] <Fnord666> I read a number of his novels including Nova, Babel-17, Dhalgren, and Triton. I need to read "The Einstein Intersection"
[02:36:13] <Fnord666> Dhalgren was ... different
[02:42:30] <Fnord666> Oddly I never read Ursula K. Le Guin or Octavia Butler until much later.
[02:45:00] <Fnord666> or Gene Wolfe for that matter
[02:45:16] <Bytram> none of the above for me
[02:46:42] <Fnord666> I'm assuming you read Tolkien?
[02:47:12] <Bytram> Most of asimov, clarke, heinlein, hebert, L.E. Modeitt JR (up until about book 7 in the magic of recluce), Niven, pournelle, Robert Asprin, tolkein, and who wrote shanara?
[02:47:21] <Bytram> steven r donaldson
[02:47:53] <Fnord666> shanarra was Terry Brooks
[02:48:04] <Bytram> =g belgariad
[02:48:05] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Belgariad - Wikipedia
[02:48:06] <Bytram> yes!
[02:48:13] <Fnord666> I was wondering if you read lord foul's bane
[02:48:37] <Bytram> yep, and all of that double quintology
[02:48:50] <Fnord666> et al , The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever
[02:49:11] <Bytram> first 3 books depicted the most verdant world!
[02:49:20] <Bytram> the last 3 were a real downer. :(
[02:49:33] <Fnord666> I never got into the second set
[02:49:36] <Bytram> 1st 3 were like avatar
[02:49:53] <Bytram> brinn?
[02:50:04] <Fnord666> I think Brooks is still writing in the Shannara universe
[02:50:11] <Bytram> =g author brinn
[02:50:12] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - David Brin - Wikipedia
[02:50:16] <Bytram> him
[02:50:44] <Bytram> ah, that is what I was trying to remember: The Mallorean
[02:51:39] <Fnord666> Did you read The Postman?
[02:52:14] <Fnord666> I liked Kiln People. Interesting concept there
[02:52:14] <Bytram> Hmm, none of the titles look familar. Must be thinking of someone else.
[02:52:40] * Bytram wonders why he can't remember books he read 3-4 decades ago?
[02:53:11] <Fnord666> Belgarias was David Eddings
[02:53:11] <Bytram> doh!
[02:53:13] <Bytram> =g incarnations of immortality
[02:53:14] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Incarnations of Immortality - Wikipedia
[02:53:21] <Fnord666> Oh heck yes!
[02:53:29] <Fnord666> I loved that series
[02:53:54] <Bytram> Xanth was fun up until book 5 or so, then it was just a bunchof bad puns tied together with a thin story line
[02:54:12] <Fnord666> :(
[02:54:35] <Bytram> gave me a whole new outlook on those qualities given the superbly well done personifications
[02:54:52] <Bytram> =g golden tork
[02:54:53] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Torc - Wikipedia
[02:54:59] <Bytram> =g golden torque
[02:55:00] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Torc - Wikipedia
[02:55:22] <Fnord666> and don't forget Terry Pratchett
[02:55:32] <Bytram> Looks like piers anthony added another book since I last read IoM
[02:55:40] <Bytram> never got mutch into his stuff
[02:56:06] <Bytram> Oh, what was that series with "Richard" (who called himself a 'seeker')
[02:56:22] <Bytram> =g fiction Richard seeker
[02:56:23] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - History of a Pleasure Seeker (9780307949288 ... - Amazon.com
[02:56:31] <Bytram> =g fiction Richard seeker -history
[02:56:32] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - Seeker (9781720936336): Douglas E. Richards: Books - Amazon.com
[02:56:43] <Bytram> =g fiction Richard seeker -history -richards
[02:56:44] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - The Trouble Seeker - Kindle edition by Richard Wormser. Literature ...
[02:56:46] <Fnord666> Terry Goodkind
[02:56:50] <Bytram> yep
[02:56:53] <Bytram> =g fiction Richard seeker -history -richards goodkind
[02:56:54] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - The Omen Machine: Sword of Truth - A Richard and Kahlan Novel ...
[02:57:05] <Bytram> =g sword of truth
[02:57:06] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Sword of Truth - Wikipedia
[02:57:21] <Fnord666> First book in the series
[02:57:44] <Fnord666> Wow, there are 21 books in the series now
[02:58:00] <Bytram> Yowza!
[02:58:11] <Fnord666> Sorry, Wizard's First Rule was the first book
[02:58:22] <Bytram> People are Stupid - They tend to believe what they want to believe is true
[02:58:32] <Bytram> People are Stupid - They tend to believe what they fear to believe is true
[02:58:41] <Bytram> =g wizard's rules
[02:58:42] <upstart> https://sot.fandom.com - Wizard's Rules | Sword of Truth Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia
[02:58:49] <Bytram> =g wizard's rules -fandom
[02:58:50] <upstart> https://en.wikiquote.org - Sword of Truth - Wikiquote
[03:04:59] <Bytram> Oh, thanks for the kind words about the investigation! I saw what you wrote and failed to acknowledge it!
[03:05:06] <Bytram> brb, food should be ready
[03:06:41] <Fnord666> enjoy!
[03:11:40] <Fnord666> "Why is a laser beam like a goldfish?"
[03:13:51] <Fnord666> because neither can whistle!
[03:23:29] * Bytram thinks Fnord666 is starting to lose his coherence
[03:24:26] <Fnord666> lol
[03:24:43] <Fnord666> just derezzing a bit
[03:25:10] <Bytram> or, dare I say it, becoming incoherent
[03:25:13] <Bytram> ;)
[03:25:43] <Fnord666> nah, that was a joke from Mycroft (Mike) from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
[03:25:58] <Bytram> oh, right!
[03:26:12] <Bytram> Not Funny? Very not funny!
[03:26:18] <Bytram> =g Very not funny!
[03:26:19] <upstart> https://tenor.com - Very Very Funny GIFs | Tenor
[03:26:37] <Bytram> =g "Very not funny"
[03:26:38] <upstart> https://imgur.com - Reading an article about the very not funny shootings, but found this ...
[03:26:52] <Bytram> =g "Very not funny" manny
[03:26:52] <upstart> http://www.pleasegodno.com - Sanofi-Aventis pulls Heath Ledger Ambien Ads - Please God No
[03:27:04] <Bytram> nope
[03:48:50] <Fnord666> gotta fold some laundry then it's bed time for me. Good night Bytram!
[03:49:27] <Bytram> Oy! Where does the time go?
[03:49:59] <Bytram> And a cheerful goodnight to you, two, umm, to, nope tew, not that either... TOO!
[03:50:12] <Bytram> Whew!
[03:50:13] <Bytram> =)
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[10:57:05] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.thedrive.com
[10:57:07] <exec> └─ 13People Are Already Reporting Collisions With Tesla’s Driverless Smart Summon Feature - The Drive
[11:11:27] <Bytram> blargh.
[11:11:56] <Bytram> Need to find a way to allow horizontal scrolling on textual representation of a table.
[11:12:07] <Bytram> <div style="width:70em;overflow-x:auto;-space:nowrap;">
[11:12:23] <Bytram> But rehash strips off the attributes
[11:12:29] <Bytram> site var?
[11:12:37] <Bytram> approvedtags_attr
[11:12:37] <Bytram> approvedtags_attr_admin
[11:12:37] <Bytram> markup_checked_attribute
[11:13:56] <Bytram> Let's take a look:
[11:14:18] <Bytram> Variable Name: approvedtags_attr
[11:14:28] <Bytram> Value: a:href_RU img:src_RU,alt_N,width,height,longdesc_U p:class div:class abbr:title_R ol:type,start,reversed
[11:14:40] <Bytram> Description: definition of approvedtags attributes in the following format a:href_RU img:src_RU,alt,width,height,longdesc_U see Slash::Utility::Data.pm for more details
[11:15:16] <Bytram> Now that's interesting
[11:15:32] <Bytram> Variable Name: approvedtags_attr_admin
[11:15:48] <Bytram> Value: a:href_U,name,title,rel div:id,class,title,style,dir,lang span:id,class,title,style,dir,lang slash:type_R,id,href_U,story,nickname,uid,user,align,width,height,title table:align,bgcolor,border,cellpadding,cellspacing,width tr:align,bgcolor,valign th:align,bgcolor,colspan,height,rowspan,valign,width td:align,bgcolor,colspan,height,rowspan,valign,width abbr:title_R video:width,height source:src,type
[11:16:02] <Bytram> Description: inherits from approvedtags_attr
[11:16:31] <Bytram> .
[11:17:17] <Bytram> Variable Name: markup_checked_attribute
[11:17:36] <Bytram> Value: CHECKED
[11:17:57] <Bytram> (note: there is a single space before CHECKED)
[11:18:09] <Bytram> Description: The checked attribute that is used on the "input" HTML element, CHECKED for HTML 3.2 and checked="checked" for HTML 4.0 and beyond. Must include leading space!
[11:18:40] <Bytram> .
[11:19:06] <Bytram> Looks like I need to concentrate on what is permitted in approvedtags_attr_admin
[11:21:22] <Bytram> let's see those split up one-per-line:
[11:21:24] <Bytram> a:href_U,name,title,rel
[11:21:24] <Bytram> div:id,class,title,style,dir,lang
[11:21:24] <Bytram> span:id,class,title,style,dir,lang
[11:21:24] <Bytram> slash:type_R,id,href_U,story,nickname,uid,user,align,width,height,title
[11:21:24] <Bytram> table:align,bgcolor,border,cellpadding,cellspacing,width
[11:21:25] <Bytram> tr:align,bgcolor,valign
[11:21:27] <Bytram> th:align,bgcolor,colspan,height,rowspan,valign,width
[11:21:29] <Bytram> td:align,bgcolor,colspan,height,rowspan,valign,width
[11:21:31] <Bytram> abbr:title_R
[11:21:33] <Bytram> video:width,height
[11:21:35] <Bytram> source:src,type
[11:23:39] <Bytram> .
[11:24:33] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[11:24:34] * exec quietly a data stream of cotton candy HODL Bytram
[11:24:40] <Bytram> If I am reading that right, I am supposed to be able the STYLE attribute on *both* DIV and SPAN
[11:25:07] <Bytram> I being an admin, that is.
[11:25:15] <janrinok> dunno - I don't do much HTML or CSS
[11:25:17] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[11:25:18] * exec covertly terrorizes a broken promise of SQL queries with janrinok
[11:25:37] <janrinok> very appropriate given your efforts over the last few weeks
[11:25:42] <Bytram> looks like your greeting a verb
[11:26:08] <Bytram> speaking of which.... ascii-formatted tables wrap-around when viewed on my mobile phone.
[11:26:11] <Bytram> :(
[11:26:32] <Bytram> .
[11:26:35] <janrinok> hardly surprising I would have thought
[11:27:16] <Bytram> From what I'm seeing in the site VARS configuration, I *should* be able to use a STYLE on SPAN and DIV
[11:27:20] <Bytram> .
[11:27:21] <Bytram> <div style="width:70em;overflow-x:auto;-space:nowrap;">
[11:27:23] <Bytram> .
[11:27:33] <janrinok> I've recently noticed that Ari automatically mods my posts as Troll nowadays - he must be getting bored...
[11:28:08] <Bytram> janrinok: s/b/g/
[11:28:10] <exec> <Bytram> <janrinok> I've recently noticed that Ari automatically mods my posts as Troll nowadays - he must ge getting bored...
[11:28:15] <Bytram> ach!
[11:28:18] <Bytram> janrinok: s/b/g/2
[11:28:20] <exec> <Bytram> <janrinok> I've recently noticed that Ari automatically mods my posts as Troll nowadays - he must be getting gored...
[11:28:24] <janrinok> are you trying to edit your report on a phone?
[11:28:30] <janrinok> lol
[11:28:44] <Bytram> nope, just wanted to make sure it looked okay, and, well... NOPE!
[11:29:09] <Bytram> but adding horizontal scroll bars is a "thing"
[11:29:13] <Bytram> Have done it before
[11:29:25] <Bytram> and now to persuade rehash to acquiesce
[11:30:21] <Bytram> Think I'm gonna have to practice on prod; am not that sure that dev and prod are "in synch"
[11:30:51] <janrinok> don't worry, they will get the gist and if they need the details they will find a way to view them properly
[11:31:13] <janrinok> when you have a minute check your DM channel to me
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