#editorial | Logs for 2019-07-06
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[16:51:13] <RandomFactor_> Before it gets out there "Hopefully temporally entanglement" is trying to be an adverb when it shouldn't be in https://soylentnews.org
[16:51:14] <upstart> ^ 03Error
[16:51:15] <exec> └─ 13Error
[16:51:55] <RandomFactor_> ... the temporal entanglement sub in queue
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[17:08:44] <Bytram> RandomFactor_: tx!
[17:08:50] * Bytram goes to look
[17:10:12] <Bytram> oh my.
[17:10:29] <Bytram> ==> "Hopefully the temporal entanglement of entire objects is next."
[17:10:46] <Bytram> RandomFactor++ Many thanks!
[17:10:46] <Bender> karma - randomfactor: 1
[17:10:52] <Bytram> RandomFactor++ Many thanks!
[17:10:52] <Bender> karma - randomfactor: 2
[17:11:23] <Bytram> ruh roh? https://github.com
[17:11:24] <upstart> ^ 03Canonical Ltd
[17:11:25] <exec> └─ 13Canonical Ltd · GitHub
[17:11:51] <Bytram> According to hacker news: "Canonical (Ubuntu) source-code repositories have been compromised "
[17:12:29] <Carny> Bender: if other people want to proofread or look for mistakes in the q do they just look at https://soylentnews.org
[17:12:30] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[17:12:32] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[17:14:30] * Bytram does not see any supporting evidence
[17:15:57] <Carny> ?
[17:16:28] <Bytram> the claim that the source code repositories of canonical have been hacked
[17:16:52] <Carny> oh hehe
[17:17:07] <Bytram> See current item #9 here:
[17:17:08] <Bytram> https://news.ycombinator.com
[17:17:09] <upstart> ^ 03Hacker News
[17:17:11] <exec> └─ 13Hacker News
[17:33:50] <chromas> Carny: Yeah, feel free to drop a note if you see something wrong with a sub. Once it's been accepted, edited and scheduled, though, it disappears for non-staff
[17:34:40] <Carny> will do
[17:35:18] <Bytram> chromas: really?
[17:35:51] <chromas> Bytram: yeah, for example, https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:52] <upstart> ^ 03Error
[17:35:53] <exec> └─ 13Error
[17:36:00] <chromas> the bots can't see it
[17:36:33] <RandomFactor_> There's a kind of workaround, you can go look at the person that submitted it and then view their submissions and reach it that way still
[17:36:37] <Bytram> Oh, I see what you mean.
[17:36:44] <Bytram> hmm
[17:36:45] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:46] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[17:36:47] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[17:36:47] <chromas> According to the comments on ycombinator, there were some extra "haxx" repos added but they've been deleted. I clicked a link to one and github says it dun got up and left
[17:37:14] * Bytram has that open in a private window, so no privs, and cn see subs and sheduled stories listed
[17:37:25] <RandomFactor_> i mean, if you are too impatient to wait for something to hit the front page :-)
[17:37:25] <Bytram> chromas++ thank you!
[17:37:25] <Bender> karma - chromas: 76
[17:37:26] <chromas> RandomFactor_: true. Also, if you already have a link to the original sub, you can still load the page and see it
[17:37:36] <Bytram> ++
[17:37:39] <Bytram> hmmm
[17:37:41] <Bytram> +++
[17:37:46] <Bytram> (+)++
[17:37:46] <Bender> karma - (+): 1
[17:37:49] <chromas> is that postfix or prefix?
[17:37:51] <RandomFactor_> +++ATH0
[17:37:54] <Bytram> yes!
[17:38:03] <Bytram> RandomFactor++ two Shay!
[17:38:03] <Bender> karma - randomfactor: 3
[17:38:50] <Bytram> chromas: well, can see the original sub, which way or may not have anything to resemble it when it gets to the main page
[17:39:18] <RandomFactor_> True dat. Editors don't always appreciate the sublime genius of submitters. Sad really.
[17:39:21] <Bytram> esp when subbed by mrplow
[17:39:43] <chromas> But I can still go write up a long shitpost comment and have it ready for pasting
[17:39:53] <RandomFactor_> btdt
[17:40:01] <chromas> ATDT
[17:40:12] <RandomFactor_> counterpoint
[17:40:28] <Bytram> =g ATDT
[17:40:29] <upstart> https://oit.colorado.edu - Academic Technology Design Team | Office of Information Technology
[17:40:34] <Bytram> heh
[17:40:41] <Bytram> ${abbr ATDT}
[17:40:42] <fungus> ATDT
[17:40:46] <Bytram> hmm
[17:40:51] <Bytram> =g ADT
[17:40:52] <upstart> https://www.adt.com - ADT Security | Alarm Systems for Home and Business
[17:40:54] <RandomFactor_> Attention Dial Tone
[17:41:01] <Bytram> that was the one I was thinking of
[17:41:02] <chromas> Speaking of modems, what did the + do in phone numbers?
[17:41:35] <chromas> +525-1661, for example
[17:41:36] <RandomFactor_> think it was just a convention to separate out the non local part?
[17:41:51] <chromas> I've even had Android put a + in sometimes
[17:42:09] <chromas> Ah
[17:42:28] <Bytram> choo!
[17:42:43] <Bytram> =g hayes modem AT commands
[17:42:44] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Hayes command set - Wikipedia
[17:43:05] <RandomFactor_> i actually had a phone line with out tone dialing because it was a couple of bucks cheaper per month and I didn't care if the modem had to do pulse dialing
[17:44:47] <Bytram> did you know you could dial a phone by rapidly hitting the hang-up switch?
[17:44:54] <RandomFactor_> yep
[17:45:08] <RandomFactor_> i never could do the whistling thing tho
[17:45:15] <Bytram> impressed the crap out of someone when I used that to dial a pay phone.
[17:45:17] <Bytram> same here
[17:45:18] <chromas> A phone company charging extra for a service that's already implemented and doesn't cost anything? I'm shocked
[17:45:20] <RandomFactor_> but i rocked the hangup dialing
[17:45:30] <Bytram> RandomFactor++
[17:45:30] <Bender> karma - randomfactor: 4
[17:47:40] <Bytram> see also: in-band signaling vs out-of-band-signaling
[17:48:34] <chromas> that's why sql sucks
[17:48:57] <Bytram> not following you there
[17:49:19] <chromas> everything's in-band
[17:50:03] <chromas> select * from table where name='this is totally secure'
[17:50:28] <Bytram> and?? what
[17:50:33] <Bytram> what is wrong with that?
[17:50:41] <chromas> sql injection?
[17:50:45] <Bytram> or do you mean a reference to little bobby tables
[17:51:13] <Bytram> that is not an artifact of SQL; it is a sign of incorrect escaping of user input.
[17:51:56] <Bytram> like putting sugar into the gas tank of a car; does not mean the car is bad, it means the user done messed up big time.
[17:51:59] <chromas> sounds like good design
[18:17:03] <Carny> users don't put sugar in their gas tank unless they want to ruin the engine Bytram ;]
[18:17:28] <Bytram> exactly.
[18:18:49] <Bytram> It's not a problem with the car; it is a problem with how it was "used". I was using that as an analogy that SQL is not bad in its own right, but rather a failure to validate user input and using it directly in a SQL statement is more of an operator error.
[18:20:02] <chromas> cars wouldn't have that problem if their gas tanks had prepared statements
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[18:22:55] <Carny> speaking of sql injection, are any of the jokes on ncommander's post about writing things in ada being taken seriously, like rewriting rehash in something safer and more secure?
[18:23:28] <NCommander> Carny, yes and no, rehash is descended from slashdot.org's code, and they were very well battle tested.
[18:23:46] <NCommander> Carny, while it's certainly possible there's an unknown SQL injection we don't know about the database code has a LOT of sanity checks.
[18:24:09] <Carny> so was bugzilla until that one guy started looking for bugs and tore it apart ;]
[18:24:54] <Carny> i'm not criticizing the code i'm just wondering what the future direction is
[18:25:36] <Carny> i wish more internet facing code was written in ada tbh
[20:30:09] -!- Fnord666_ [Fnord666_!~Fnord666@925-300-434-342.ubr6.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined #editorial
[20:30:30] <Bytram> Fnord666_: !!
[20:30:38] <Fnord666_> Bytram!!!!
[20:30:44] <Bytram> How YOU be?
[20:30:58] <Fnord666_> Good. Busy as a one armed paper hanger
[20:31:03] <Fnord666_> Yourself?
[20:31:12] <Bytram> okay, wait. Do not reschecule your story. I will fix!
[20:31:24] <Fnord666_> ok
[20:31:33] <Fnord666_> LOL
[20:31:43] <Bytram> we both noticed at the same and both fixed to the same new time!
[20:31:46] <Bytram> great minds think alike!
[20:32:02] <Fnord666_> Exactly!
[20:32:28] <Bytram> ROFL!!!! I *love* your dept line!!!
[20:32:32] <Fnord666_> Thanks
[20:33:13] <Fnord666_> Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again
[20:33:53] <Bytram> figured I should 2nd your story while I was rescheduling it
[20:34:09] <Bytram> hadn't seen much of you lately and feared for the worst
[20:34:22] <Bytram> so glad it is only life getting too busy! :P
[20:34:56] <Bytram> story scheduling should be good, now.
[20:35:11] <Fnord666_> Seconded 6 fingers
[20:35:17] <Fnord666_> Interesting story
[20:35:36] <Bytram> Hey... better dept line: Give me a high 6!
[20:35:43] <Bytram> =)
[20:35:51] <Fnord666_> I like it!
[20:36:12] * Bytram looks at "bad" web site
[20:41:13] <Fnord666_> Which bad web site? There are so many?
[20:41:41] <Fnord666_> So many!
[20:43:19] <Fnord666_> Ah that story
[20:44:11] <Bytram> hmmm
[20:44:18] <Bytram> what was thename of that site...
[20:44:31] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation
[20:44:32] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mystery meat navigation - Wikipedia
[20:45:21] <Bytram> =g Web Pages That Suck
[20:45:22] <upstart> http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com - Web Pages That Suck - learn good web design by looking at bad ...
[20:47:26] <Bytram> done
[20:47:49] <Fnord666_> That's hilarious
[20:48:21] <Bytram> Fnord666: I really *really* appreciate the assist! Just started my vacation and would like to have some free time to relax and not just tend the queue. You stopped by just in the nick of time!!!
[20:48:25] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[20:48:25] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 77
[20:49:18] <Fnord666_> You're welcome. Going anywhere for vacation?
[20:51:35] <Bytram> nothing planned atm
[20:52:24] <Bytram> but I am planning to get together with some friends this evening, but a T-storm is predicted, so I'll see how that goes.
[20:52:44] * Bytram checks the radar range
[20:53:16] * Bytram and reminisces about one of his favorite scenes in "Airplane"
[20:53:48] <Bytram> =g airplane movie
[20:53:49] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org! - Airplane! - Wikipedia
[20:54:29] <Bytram> this one: https://en.wikipedia.org!
[20:54:30] <upstart> ^ 03Airplane! - Wikipedia
[20:54:30] <exec> └─ 13Airplane! - Wikipedia
[20:56:33] <Fnord666_> A classic movie
[20:57:49] <Bytram> That scene I mentioned.... I never saw it coming and the funniest part was that I actually owned an Amana Radarange!
[20:58:54] <Fnord666_> :)
[20:59:39] <Fnord666_> Would you mind checking the link to Engadget on the deliver story? Let me know what you get
[20:59:44] <Bytram> k
[20:59:54] <Fnord666_> Deliveroo
[21:00:00] <Bytram> tx
[21:00:07] <Bytram> that was going to be my next question
[21:00:47] <Bytram> let's ask the bots, first:
[21:00:49] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.engadget.com
[21:00:51] <upstart> ^ 03UK regulator forces Amazon to put its Deliveroo plans on ice
[21:00:51] <exec> └─ 13UK regulator forces Amazon to put its Deliveroo plans on ice
[21:01:04] <Bytram> so that much is okay
[21:01:31] <Bytram> openhed okay for me
[21:01:36] <Bytram> s/h//
[21:01:38] <exec> <Bytram> opened okay for me
[21:01:47] <Fnord666_> When I followed the link it took me to a login screen which is unusual
[21:02:03] <Bytram> otoh, the linked story is so short, I fear we risk running into fair use limitations.
[21:02:25] <Bytram> I run with noscript and a couple ad blockers
[21:02:32] <Fnord666_> Yeah, that was my concern as well
[21:02:37] <Bytram> hold on
[21:03:31] <Bytram> here are some other places to look; I'll dump a few here and then go look at 'em myself
[21:03:32] <Bytram> https://www.businessinsider.com
[21:03:34] <exec> └─ 13Amazon and Deliveroo: Competition and Markets Authority halts deal - Business Insider
[21:03:34] <upstart> ^ 03Amazon's investment in UK food delivery unicorn Deliveroo hits a major snag as antitrust authority halts deal
[21:03:38] <Bytram> https://www.theguardian.com
[21:03:39] <exec> └─ 13Competition regulator pauses Amazon's deal with Deliveroo | Business | The Guardian
[21:03:40] <upstart> ^ 03Competition regulator pauses Amazon's deal with Deliveroo
[21:03:45] <Bytram> https://www.cnbc.com
[21:03:46] <exec> └─ 13Amazon's Deliveroo investment scrutinized by UK competition watchdog
[21:03:46] <upstart> ^ 03Amazon's investment in Deliveroo scrutinized by UK competition watchdog
[21:03:51] <Bytram> https://www.reuters.com
[21:03:52] <upstart> ^ 03UK competition regulator puts brake on Amazon's Deliveroo deal
[21:03:53] <exec> └─ 13UK competition regulator puts brake on Amazon's Deliveroo deal - Reuters
[21:03:58] <Bytram> https://techcrunch.com
[21:04:00] <upstart> ^ 03MP Tom Watson wants UK competition authority to investigate Amazon’s Deliveroo stake – TechCrunch
[21:04:00] <exec> └─ 13MP Tom Watson wants UK competition authority to investigate Amazon’s Deliveroo stake – TechCrunch
[21:04:09] <Bytram> that should be enough for now.
[21:04:22] <Fnord666_> yup
[21:04:35] <Fnord666_> Reuters looks like a good base for the story
[21:04:56] <Bytram> the techcrunch looks to have plenty of meat on it
[21:06:28] <Fnord666_> Lol. For some reason when I saw Tom Watson I was wondering what stake the golfer had in the deal
[21:06:50] <Bytram> the reuters story has a metric boatload of sidebar and top bar and nearly endless bottom-scrolling. Blegh!!!!
[21:07:01] * Bytram was thinking of the IBM founder
[21:07:21] <Fnord666_> That too re IBM
[21:07:39] <Fnord666_> Tech crunch certainly has a nice conspiratorial angle to it
[21:07:50] <Fnord666_> “They don’t want to get their mighty claws on a food delivery system. They want Deliveroo’s tech and data. They don’t just want to know how you eat, what you eat, when you eat. They want to know how best to extract your cash throughout your waking and sleeping hours.”
[21:07:54] <Bytram> only glanced at it so far
[21:08:29] <Bytram> well!
[21:08:39] <Bytram> They certainly don't pull any punchs!
[21:08:48] <Bytram> s/hs/hes/
[21:08:49] <exec> <Bytram> They certainly don't pull any punches!
[21:08:55] <Bytram> “It’s called surveillance capitalism,” he said today of Amazon’s approach to how it uses data from customers to build and sell products. “It’s a digital dystopia, and I shall be writing to the Competition and Markets Authority demanding they launch an investigation into this ‘investment.’ ”
[21:10:18] <Fnord666_> "Areas that the CMA might investigate could involve whether the deal would result in unfair competition, or a misuse of data."
[21:10:52] <Fnord666_> Interesting since this is not really something that we are able to consider here in the US WRT M&A
[21:10:58] <Bytram> Are you thinking GDPR?
[21:11:49] <Bytram> can't thank you enough for popping in and all the stories you just pushed out!
[21:12:02] <Fnord666_> No problem.
[21:12:11] <Bytram> I think I'll take a break, get cleaned up, and prepared to head out the door.
[21:12:15] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[21:12:15] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 78
[21:12:19] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[21:12:26] <Fnord666_> Enjoy your vacation time!
[21:12:50] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:13:04] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[21:13:04] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[21:13:07] <Fnord666_> Thank you for keeping the queue stuffed and the anniversary story!
[21:13:09] <Bytram> Let me be the first to congratulate you on pushing out... 3,300 stories!!!!!!!!!!
[21:13:18] <Bytram> hth!
[21:13:22] <Bytram> teamwork++
[21:13:22] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 197
[21:13:31] <Bytram> wow! that much?
[21:13:38] <Bytram> !whoup teamwork
[21:13:38] <Bender> uppers of teamwork are: Bytram: 122, cmn32480: 42, Bytram|away: 11, mrcoolbp: 5, mrpg: 4, Fnord666_: 3, charon_: 3, n1: 2, janrinok: 1, LaminatorX: 1, nick: 1, cmn32480|away: 1, CoolHand: 1
[21:14:03] <Fnord666_> Agreed. teamwork++
[21:14:04] <Bytram> some names I haven't seen around in a long time.
[21:14:10] <Bytram> ::sad face::
[21:14:16] <Bytram> hope they are all doing well!
[21:14:25] <Fnord666_> ditto
[21:14:38] <Fnord666_> teamwork++
[21:14:38] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 198
[21:14:44] <Bytram> hint... put the thingy you are ++'ing at the beginning
[21:14:48] <Bytram> yeah, like that!
[21:14:50] <Fnord666_> yup
[21:14:50] <Bytram> =)
[21:14:54] <Fnord666_> :)
[21:15:13] <Bytram> take care and don't YOU overdo it, either.
[21:15:24] <Fnord666_> Thanks.
[21:15:34] <Bytram> laters taters
[21:15:49] <Fnord666_> later